The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #142 with Matt Serra, Din Thomas & John Rallo

Episode Date: July 5, 2023

Joe is joined by retired mixed martial artists Matt Serra, Din Thomas & John Rallo. Matt is the co-host of the "UFC Unfiltered" podcast with Jim Norton, and founder and lead instructor of Serra BJJ. Din is the co-host of "After TUF" and host of the "Din's Got Answers" podcast. John is the owner and head coach at Ground Control mixed martial arts academy in Baltimore.  www.serrabjj.com www.ufc.com/athlete/din-thomas https://www.groundcontrolbaltimore.com/

The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night. All day. We're up, we're up. Boys, what's happening? What a beautiful moment to get you guys together in a room. This is awesome. This is badass.

This is fucking awesome. I've known all you guys for fucking ever. I've known you the longest. I've known you for at for fucking ever. I've known you the longest. I've known you for at least 20 years. 2001, I believe. Wow. 2001. I remember you were sleeping in your dojo.

He had a bucket of like a thing to piss in. Because he drank so much water. So he had his jug next to his bed. He's like, I'm tired. I don't want to get up. I don't want to get up and go to the bathroom. I got to piss. I just piss right there and go back to sleep.

I lived in my first storefront academy in East Meadow, my hometown. And Joe and Eddie Bravo were in town for some reason. I think you were doing a gig or something. Yeah, I was doing a gig. And you came and picked us up. Yeah, at the Hicksville. Really? Yeah, we took the train.

What? And he picked us up at the train station, took us to his academy. It was awesome. Yeah, the Hickspill train station. And it was literally, not to make everybody feel old, it was 21 years ago. Yeah. I was 28. You know why I remember?

Because I was going to fight BJ Penn at Mohegan Sun. Wow. So I'm like, are you going? You're like, oh, I got this gig. And you came, you trained at my place, and I showed you the basement. I'll never forget what you said to me down there. And I think I said it the last time I was here. I go, yo, man, this is where I sleep.

This is where I stay. And you looked at it, you go, dude, you live like a fucking Spartan. Yeah. I remember it like it was yesterday. Well, you were living that life. I mean, and I think that's what you have to do to be elite at MMA when you're starting out, especially back then. You had to be all in. All in.

All in. And you're a coach of high-level people. You could speak to this. Yeah, but I mean, I've also lived that life, too. Yes. Back in 2001. I mean, I fought BJ in 2001. Yes.

So, I mean, I know what it's like to live in the car. I still do it sometimes now. You sleep in your car? Sometimes. Just for old times' sake. But I'll be on the road so much, man, that sometimes I don't even know where I'm going. Wow. I'll be on the road so much, I'm like, God damn.

Team Thomas got a lot of jobs these days. Yeah. You know what it was? I remember talking to you, and you said, man, I work a lot because I know what it's like to be poor. Yeah. So that's why I work. Yeah, I stay ahead. I don't ever want to think about money.

I don't think about money, but the way to not think about money is to make enough so you don't have to think about it. Exactly. And I met you around the same time because I met you and Eddie as well through jujitsu. Yes. You guys were on the underground back in the day. And we were trying to find the underground back in the day. And we were trying to find a place to watch the fights. In Baltimore.

Yeah. I had a gig. Yep. So Eddie went to your place. Was it Pride? Yeah. Was it Pride or was it the UFC? It was UFC.

He actually fought because I remember you saying because we both thought he beat BJ even though you didn't get the decision. Thank you, John. You were at the improv, I believe, in Baltimore at the time. Oh, wow. And then we hit ESPN Zone for dinner, and I got to be with you guys ever since. Yeah, Ronald and I have had some fun on the road, man. We've been to a lot of gigs together.

Absolutely. Yeah, it's just like those friendships that you make in the early days, they're kind of special. Because we were there when the UFC in 2001 was a different thing, man. Completely. Different animal. It was so fringe. Yeah. And you always felt like, I just personally, I always felt like it was going to be over any second.

Yeah. I remember being like, all right, look, I'll take this next fight at this price because this is going to be fucking down. This is going to be coming to an end soon. And I'll tell my kids that at one time I fought in a cage and it used to be this sport where we fought in a cage. It looked like the end was coming at any moment. It really did.

Before that, the fight with Forrest Griffin and Stephen Bonner. You know what's really crazy? Eddie Bravo and I used to have this conversation. We would be like, because I met Eddie in like 1998. I met him at a, I think I either met him at John Jock's, but I saw him at John Jock's. He was there with Ricky Rocket. Like Ricky Rocket from Poison is a legit black belt under John Jock Machado.

No kidding. Ricky Rocket, he's real. He trained. They heard that. Undercover. You Rocket, he's real. He trained. I heard that. Undercover. You know what I mean? Just a regular dude.

Goes into classes. Legit. Like, real guy. So anyway, Eddie was there with him as a spectator. And this is like 1998. And we would say, you know what this sport needs? Some crazy billionaires to just invest all this money in it. Because we know how exciting it is,

but the world didn't know. This is, you know, this is 98. This is like Dan Henderson's first fight. Carlos Newton. I remember.

Back in those days. Remember Carlos Newton? A lot of people forgot how good that fucking dude was. I still talk to him. Because he's on the commission, the committee that the ABC commission has

for fighters. And I'm on that commission with the committee that the ABC commission has for fighters. And I'm on that commission with Carlos Newton. Nice. What about happening? What about happening? I mean, what is he doing now? He's working, like, real estate or construction or something. He's doing okay, though.

Yeah, he's alive. I like when I see guys make it through okay. Because, I mean, now I talk about this with Dean a lot. When we're on the road with Dana doing the show, I go, I've got survivor's guilt. Yeah. Because I mean now I talk about this with Dean a lot and we're on the road with Dana doing the show. I go, I got survivor's guilt. I'm like, I don't fucking, there's a lot of guys now that the sport's like 30 years old like there's like casualties in the game now. Whether it's their health,

whether they get done with the sport. I mean Phil Barone's in a Mexican prison right now. War machine, I mean these are the best. Listen, there's some people making very bad choices. But I don't know man It's upsetting to me when I see people all fucked up and we're sitting there hanging out having a good time You know it's hard when people forget to about the early days were not that popular so they forget about some spectacular Performances they speak to forget about some amazing when Carlos Newton tapped out Pat Miletic with the Bulldog Chug.

Oh, yeah. Remember that was the first time? I'd never seen anybody do that. No, that was, yeah, that was something else. I fought on that card. Do you remember that fucking? I got backfisted by Shoney on that card. There's a photo of him and he is jacked.

And Pat's face is like. See if you can find the photo of Carlos Newton. Look at this photo. Look. Oh, my God. Yeah, man. Oh, my God. And I remember. the photo of Carlos Newton look at this photo look oh my god yeah man oh my god and I remember

there's like another one two of it like more from the back but either way like what a perfect picture I mean that is so nasty

he was a he was a fluent fighter he was very he was like the first one look at his arm look at his fucking arm Jesus Christ he was one of the very best grapplers in the early days of the UFC.

He pulled off some wild shit. Phenomenal jiu-jitsu. Remember he got Matt Hughes in that triangle? And Matt slammed him and KO'd him. They both went to sleep. And then Matt just woke up first. Matt woke up first. And he's like, I won?

I won. He was surprised. Amazing. It's funny looking at all these pitches and everything, you know, pre-Usada. Oh, yeah. I know. Let's talk. Let's talk, man, Sarah.

Let's talk. All I know is, listen, and by the way, this is me at 49 on TOT. Okay? So I'm not competing now on anything. I never competed, did anything ever. competing now on anything i never competed did anything ever so i remember like i like some guys back then but man like randy couture the natural really natural can we get a different nickname but i like randy i have the expendables and but uh you know i mean of all the nicknames is that a little more of that?

I'm an espresso freak. You want espresso? Oh, no, I have coffee. I have coffee. We'll get you some espresso. It is weird. Do we get four espressos? No, you guys are awesome.

Like, you look at, it's different when you look at the Pride guys, because they were almost encouraging that shit. They were encouraging it. One of Eddie's guys went over there, They literally told him to gain weight. Yeah Get you on steroids Oh freak show and watching the biggest guys kill each other. Yeah, I wonder like I know I fought BJ I know I believe him when he says he was natural, but I wonder how many dudes I thought that were actually on something I think my DJ was a hundred percent. I believe him. I believe

And also there's no change in his physique ever. BJ was all about whether or not BJ was fully dedicated. The fully dedicated BJ was a terrifying force. To me, I still believe he's the greatest lightweight of all time. I think you can make a real good argument that the prime BJ,

when he beat Diego Sanchez, I would put that up against anybody ever. Yeah, Diego Sanchez, Shirk, all those guys. I'm not saying Khabib couldn't beat him because Khabib was a motherfucker. I mean, I don't think we really can appreciate how much of a motherfucker he is until after he's long gone you go by him. Like that Edson Barbosa fight. Right.

He put that 1,000-yard stare in Edson Barbosa early in that fight. Where he was like, oh my god like this motherfucker Like I don't know if he might be able to do that to everybody I don't know it seemed that way but BJ was on a different level He was on a prime BJ prime BJ was on a different level and he had legs There's a thousand yards there. He had BJ had legs that were like arms. Yeah, his third stare. Yeah Yeah, I heard he could put his legs behind his head, but I'm using it Yeah, and he stretches them. It's not like it's just totally natural right he was telling me all these crazy things

He does with bands you know we stretches himself with bands. He does like hardcore Yeah, hardcore stretches wild that even the most flexible motherfucker is if you get them in the crucifix It doesn't matter if they can suck their own dick, they're still getting fucked up. When you've got a guy DJ Penn, have you ever seen DJ Penn? The guy's jumping

out of pools and shit. Matt Hughes gets him here in the crucifix. It doesn't matter. You can put your legs behind your head. He should have used his legs to block the the fucking do some wing chum with your legs he was the crucifix fucks you up i get gi or no gi i go for that all the time uh training and yeah i know i can't yeah and and i know i can't hit them but there's a lot of ways you could transfer uh transition into kimoris arm locks different things uh but it's a lot of ways you could transfer, transition into Kimoris, arm locks, different things.

But it's such a good thing to get used to because they can't do dick. DC might not. I don't know how great his jiu-jitsu is, but I mean, look, he gets guys in the crucifix. They're fucking done. The crucifix is that there was one guy at John Jocks who specialized in the crucifix. And I was always terrified of this dude because it's such a terrible place to be. Yeah, it is. You can't use your arms and you're of this dude because it's such a terrible place to be yeah It is you can't use your arms, and you're like

And you're getting punched in the face, and you're like try to block with that one little hand with MMA. It's so much worse Yeah, it's it's the the elbows from that position. Yeah. Oh my god punches when I was fighting Matt I was getting ready to fight Matt Hughes. I was having people start me from there And that's why the only fight I ever in my career I had to pull out of was our first time I was supposed to meet Matt Hughes. And that literally broke my heart because I was talking such shit.

And I would never talk shit. I would only talk shit knowing that I'm going to meet this guy in a cage. You know what I mean? Because they say, you know what I mean? So I was calling the guy, you know, every other day I'm calling the guy a dick. But I know we're meeting, then I had to pull out of the fight.

And part of the reason why I had to pull out of the fight is because I was getting older at the time and I was still training like a younger guy. So I was starting in the crucifix with my buddy Craig, who was like a fucking big, strong motherfucker. And then I'd get out, after five minutes, I would do duck under suplex

duck under then I cooled off remember Matt Arroyo remember Matt Arroyo yeah he was visiting so he asked me to show a move I cooled down

and dude I fucking blew my back out just showing something I went to show something I guess I was so fucking like from doing my shit tired yeah

because I was training so physical not as smart so I had to pull out of the fight but the point was what happened to your back L4 and L5 from doing their shit. Yeah, because I was training so physical and not as smart. So I had to pull out of the fight. But the point was- What happened to your back? L4 and L5, I had a herniated discs. Oh, Jesus.

So I tried to stay in the, I tried to not pull out of the fight. So fucking, I went to a chiropractor and I will never go to a motherfucking chiropractor again. He took out this Tonka toy thing. And he goes, you see, your spine is, you got to. And I go, dude, I don't know what you're doing. I go, but just could you do something for me?

He goes, everybody thinks they have a herniated disc. Because meanwhile, I'm sitting, I'm thinking about it. I'm sitting the way I was sitting. I was like, not straight. I go, dude, something's not right here. He goes, everybody thinks it's a herniation. But it's a lot of times it's yada, yada. He put me on a thing. He put me upside down on one of those

Yeah, inversion tables. And then he was with someone else, and then I'm with my wife, and then he goes, okay, like almost like I'm a fucking turkey. Flip him over. You can turn him back over. When he turned, I guess everything was coming back down on my stuff when he turned me back over

Oh my god I was fucking I'm fucking screaming Like something's Sticking in me And then he charged me 50 bucks Do you know

When they call themselves Doctors Do you know how much time They spend in medical school Zero How many Zero Zero time in medical school

It's fucking Do you know how it was invented How Thank you, but... Pull up the article, chiropractors are bullshit. Joe, I have chiropractors at home that know I know you, and they're like, hey, man, why is he beating up on a chiropractor? Nah, fuck.

It's the origin of it. Look, whether or not... I'm not disputing that people get relief from being manipulated, because I think there's something to the deep tissue aspect of it. There's probably something even to being out of alignment in certain conditions. You know, and a lot of that could be because of little injuries and things are tight. And that's why deep tissue massage and rolfing is very effective. But the origins of the medical art, it came from a guy who was a magnetic healer who came

up with this idea he's gonna cure all illnesses by manipulating your spine and the speculation is he was murdered by his son who was a con man and his son that fucking takes it everywhere and I don't know yeah to pull up the

article pull up that article again because it's like when you read it you're like what is this real so you know I always thought it was a. Because it's like, when you read it, you're like, what? Is this real? So, you know, I always thought it was a doctor. But it's not. It's not a doctor. It's a dude that was like, that his son. It's this, a thing that like, you may find relief from.

You may find relief from being manipulated. And I think there's guys out there that are really good at like, they use other stuff with different techniques with it. They're basically doing physical therapy. But the knowledge and philosophy given me by Dr. Okay, here it is. Palmer held seances to contact a dead physician named Jim Atkinson. He said that those seances helped him develop chiropractic, as he wrote in his 1914 book, The Chiropractor,

the knowledge and philosophy given me by Dr. Jim Atkinson, an intelligent spiritual being, together with explanations of pneumonia, phenomena, rather, should have said, phenomena, principles resolved from causes, effects, powers, laws, and utility appealed to my reason. The method by which i obtained an explanation of certain physical phenomena from an intelligence in the spiritual world is known in biblical language as inspiration in a great measure the chiropractor's adjuster was written under such spiritual promptings so this guy came up with this from a seance he learned from a ghost he learned it from a ghost.

And then the idea behind it, though, is that you could fix all these different problems that people have by adjusting them. Like all kinds of wild shit. And they thought they could do it. See what he said that they thought they could do with it. Because it's kind of nutty. When you read, like, the stuff that he was saying he could fix Man I just think it feels good like when you crack your knuckles it feels good I think also getting pushed on and rubbed and adjusted. It's good for you. It feels good

It's like when I get deep tissue massage these motherfuckers They dig in there with their elbows, and they're kind of cracking shit and moving. There's a lot of tension, and you can alleviate that. I'm not saying that being adjusted or any of these things these people do doesn't offer people help. I'm sure it does. Don't get me wrong. But at the end of the day, where did that come from, and why are you calling it that? Yeah. So if you want to call it, like, physical maintenance, you know,

you're literally attaching something that actually works to something that's really crazy. The origins of this are bonkers. Why don't masseuses call themselves doctors? It's a similar thing. It's a similar thing if you have a really good deep tissue massager because it's like a disrespectful thing to a medical professional. Right, and it makes you question the credibility of everything that they're doing. Exactly. But they do help people.

That's the thing. It's like, but you got to admit what it actually is. And maybe you should probably take a look at the origins of it. Yeah. Well, see if you want to be attached to that. Shit,

man. I, they didn't do dick for me, but I went to, they didn't do dick for me either. That's how I found out about all this. Oh yeah. Yeah, man. I had a bulging disc in my fucking neck and I went to a didn't do a dick for me either That's how I found out about all this Oh yeah Yeah man

I had a bulging disc in my fucking neck And I went to a guy for a year Who was like telling me No it's just you know This is a muscle injury And he's like He pushed down on my head And he was saying

Does it hurt when I do that I go no And he's like Then you don't have a bulging disc Like how ridiculous is that Yeah how do you know I finally went to a real doctor And he gave me an MRI.

It's like, yeah, you got a bulging disc. Didn't he touch your head? He didn't touch my head. And then they did Regenequin on it. That's that shit that Dana went to Germany to go get. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Peyton Manning went. Kobe Bryant went over there.

It's your own blood. It's like a PRP thing, but they add a bunch of stuff to it, and that fixed it in two weeks. Yo, what about that fucking Final Destination Dana? What the fuck did he do when he got that fucking test when he's like, oh, I'm gonna die in 10 years? Yeah, he freaked out. What is that? He went keto.

What is that? What test was that that he took when he goes, oh, yeah, he told me about this guy. First of all, who the fuck is that guy? The 10X guy? Yeah. Somebody said that he's gonna fucking, oh, what did they say?

That he's gonna probably die in 10 years? Something like that. He said if he kept going the way he was going he's gonna probably die in 10 years something like that he kept going the way he was going he could probably die in 10 years but i believe that because dana was just like he doesn't sleep he's always going yeah yeah i could call dana and have a two-hour conversation with him at two in the morning yeah he's an animal he don't sleep he's an animal he just he's just like always doing stuff he's's always involved. He's always got deals. He's always working on fights. He's always, he fucking loves this shit. That guy's nuts.

That's obvious. It's in my contract that if he leaves, I leave. Really? Yeah. Well, you don't have to worry about nothing. Because he ain't going nowhere. He ain't going nowhere. I'm like, I don't want to do this for anybody else.

He obviously loves it because he does not have to do it. Dude, he loves it. I'm telling you right now. You call him at any given time and say, Jan Blachowicz, Alex Bejeda, holy shit. Yeah. I just call him up and we're going, oh my God, what the fuck is that going to be like? Bro, what is that going to be like, by the way? What is that going to be like?

Wait, say it again now? Jan Blachowicz is fighting Alex Bejeda. Depends where it goes. Well, this is the thing. I think that it's going to be a little... I think Jan's going to... I think Izzy's harder to get down than Alex. And I think Jan's going to get him down.

He's going to get him down. And I don't think he's getting up. I don't think so either. Jan, did Izzy get up every time he got taken down? Well, not in the later rounds. No. You know, Jan Blachowicz can grapple. Yeah, he can grapple. That's the thing. If Well, not in the later rounds. No. You know, Jan Bohovic can grapple. Yeah, he can grapple.

That's the thing. If it's on the feet, I still think, you know, Hayto gets him, but on the ground, I don't see how he can get up. Yeah, but, dude, look at that left hook. Bohovic is very high level on the feet. I mean, he's very high level. Like, he's got this wild thing that he'll do.

He'll go shin to shin with you. He'll kick your fucking shins. Like, he's the only guy that I ever see that he'll do. He'll go shin to shin with you. He'll kick your fucking shins. Like, he's the only guy that I ever see that consistently does that. Dude, look at that Luke Rockhold knockout. I hope he gets you down, man. And we saw how bad Alex looked on the ground. Against Izzy

who looked just as almost as bad. Yeah. He did not look good. But, you know, you could say that he never anticipated that from Izzy, and he anticipated a straight-up kickboxing match, because that's most of Iz you could say that he never anticipated that from izzy and he anticipated a straight up kickboxing match because that's most of izzy's fights he never tries to take right for sure but he could have said he made a mistake in that regard i mean but there's just certain natural movements that you do if you are competent on the ground like your legs are you

know your body's round and you're using your legs i mean he was pretty like he was like a board yeah He's round and you're using your legs. I mean, he was pretty like a board. Yeah, he was very low level. But you know what? If a guy can get that good at stand-up, he's so fucking good. He's so sneaky. Yeah.

He's the sneakiest calf kicker in the history of calf kicks. Yeah. His shit is so high level and you don't realize it. It was even better in the second fight. Yeah. He's got this way of lifting that front leg and then no hip switch at all. He just, boom. It's crazy. Can I just say I'm glad I'm out of the game before they fucking put in these damn calf kicks?

I don't want that shit. I'm glad I fucking, I never took one kick in my calf. I'll tell you what, my last fight in the UFC, I fought Josh Neer, and he inadvertently kicked me in the calf. I thought my leg was broke. Wow. I was just pulling guard at that point. It's worse now. Yeah, so I didn't know what a calf kick was.

I thought he was just trying to kick my leg. He just happened to hit the calf, and I was done. Josh Neer is another bad motherfucker that people forgot. They call him the dentist. Yeah, that dude was awesome. Man, there's a lot of guys that people got to throw their name in the old UFC fight pass because like guys like Chris Lytle They should yeah No, he's Edwards he's

Prime very good when he knocked out Josh Thompson I was saying that Eve Edwards is the best 155 pounder alive, but there wasn't there wasn't a UFC Championship that back then he was there when he knocked out Masvidal too is the best 155 pounder alive. But there wasn't a UFC championship for that back then. I was there when he knocked out Masvidal too because I had a guy on. It was Bodog actually in New Jersey. He head kicked Masvidal.

No, no, no, no, no. You got it backwards. Wasn't Edwards? You got it backwards. Masvidal head kicked him. Did he? Yes. Yeah, yeah.

Masvidal KO'd him. It was a huge victory for Masvidal. About to make a real enemy there with that one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You switched that one up. You switched that one up entirely. Remember the time I back-fisted Shoney?

Remember that one? Shoney Carter! I was there for that one, too, brother. Shoney Carter was awesome. Yeah, this is it right here. No, he was a boom. Boom. Yep, yep.

Got me right. Beautiful. And I've been thinking it's the other way around. Oh, man. I smoke a lot of weed. Even back then, look at him. Got me right. Beautiful. And I've been thinking it's the other way around. Oh, man. Look at him. Even back then, look at him. That's fucking crazy. Even back then, that dude's hilarious.

That dude was hilarious. I said Nick Diaz on Anderson. I fought Eve Edwards right after 9-11. September 28th, UFC 33. That's when me and you beat some ass. You fought Fabio the E-Hop where the fuck is that guy now

I don't know how many arm bars did that guy have he had a lot he was just grabbing guys arms and just throwing his legs around

I tell you put it on him though fucking Mr. Thomas put them hands on him put them hands on that cat

I remember he had those corn rolls at the time he had them cut him in it was just hair cut he had those corn rolls at the time. They weren't even corn rolls. He had them cut him in. He just cut, it was his haircut. He had lines cut. Oh, man.

Beat the shit out of him, Dean Thomas. That was, we were both coming off our, we both had our initial fights in the UFC. We both had hype and we both fucked that up. You lost the BJ. You lost the BJ, Pat. I remember that. I lost the Shoney Carter.

So now it's UFC 33 in Vegas right at the end of September. Literally. It's right after 9-11. I'm without Ray Longo. His wife didn't let him get on a plane. It was a weird time. It was a ghost town. And it was fucking crazy.

I thought Eve Edwards was a better striker than Shoney. And it was fucking, it was a crazy night. Yeah, I remember. I was just having a conversation with the people about the Gracie documentary, and we were talking about right after September 11th when Tito fought Matyushenko. Yeah, that was the same card.

That was the same card. That was the same card. That was a wild night. This was it. I was in the audience. Really? Yeah, that was before I worked for the UFC again. Oh, wait.

You were there? Yeah. I was at that event. Yeah. Me and Eddie Bravo. We fought on this, Dean. This was when they had their first big event in the UFC in Vegas. In Vegas.

Yeah. It was the first one. And I wanted to be there for it. I was like, God, we got to go. We got to go. Dennis Holman. I became friends with Dana through that that and that's how i started doing commentary really yeah i became friends with him i didn't because i because i thought

i was the first fighter tonight that night against fabiano eha wow you know what's funny man and i don't think you're gonna i don't know if you're gonna remember this but it's it's fitting since i gave you a new t-shirt when i how, how we first started getting the talk, it was after I beat Kelly Delonte. It was on a prelim, right? I remember that. Yeah, I ended up getting a triangle on him. And it was on a prelim, but they showed it right before the main event.

So it got a lot of views. And then they interviewed you and you weren't doing the commentary yet, but you did say, you know, it was something along the lines of, you know, people think the ground is boring. You need more stuff like, you know, he gave me a nice shout out that jungle jujitsu that Matt Serra did. And I was so I was like, so, oh, man, this is fucking fantastic. So there's a girl, this girl, Paula, that used to I was friends with.

She's like, oh, you should like send them a shirt for that or something. I go, how do I find them? You know, I'm half fucking special. I go, so fucking, where do I, fearfactor.com, where do I, so shit. Sorry. So she, so Paula, thank you, Paula, she sent the T-shirt to Joe, and you ended up calling the Academy. I swear, you called the academy to thank me or some shit

and I got on the phone with you and I was all excited. That's the old days. That was ages ago. You didn't text back then. Yeah, I didn't text. You called to say thanks for the shirt. Bro, nobody texted back then.

In 2001, it didn't exist. Yeah, you're right. There was no texting. We called each other. Yeah, you called people. Yeah, I remember that. We're the last generation. Of calling people.

That's what it's like to call people. And most of the time, it was on a real phone. A real phone. Connected to the wall. Payphone, yeah. What's bad now is I never checked my email, and now I never check my voice messages at all. I'm a fucking hermit.

You know that. I just check my text messages. So I never checked my voicemail, uh that's it man i live my own little world that's bad that's why i was telling you i didn't think he was gonna come out here because like no one interrupts matt's piece why you just can't interrupt this piece i just go to my school and i go home and now since the pandemic had some blessings because i used to have to go to the city to hang out with and i do ufc unfiltered with jimmy jim's coming out jimmy's doing your show your mother yeah yeah yeah he's doing your show. Your mother's doing it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's doing the club. I love Jimmy. I love him, too. Jimmy, like little Jimmy Bird. Me and Jimmy became very close. I love Jimmy. He's a great guy.

He's a beautiful human being. Hilarious, too. I love Jim Norton. Yeah. I've been doing that show for a while with him. Now I got ADD. Why did I bring that up? What was I going to say?

Because you don't go to New York for it anymore. Oh, okay. Okay. The pandemic. Sorry, guys. Nothing changes. So I used to have to go to the city for it anymore okay the pandemic nothing changes so I used to have to go to the city because I do UFC Unfiltered with Jimmy

and I always felt like I was winning because it's a decent paying gig it's a fun time with Jimmy I go in after rush hour I come out before it but then since the pandemic man now I just get a green screen in my fucking room

so now I can be at my school I do the 7am come home take come home, take a little nap, hang out with Jimmy and fucking on Zoom, do the podcast, go back, watch my kids strangle people. So I'm at the school twice as much, and I do my podcast still. The only time I really leave the house otherwise is the fights, cornering people, and hanging out with Dean Thomas looking for a fight.

Don't you think there's something missing when you don't doing a podcast with someone that they're not in the room with you oh man don't don't rock the boom no don't do that it's true no you're right it's true we have a good time No, you're right. It's true. We have a good time. There goes my 7 a.m. class. No, no, no, no.

I love hanging out with Jimmy in the room. But we have a good time on the show, don't we? Yeah. On Zoom. I come on every once in a while. And I'm able to be, because sometimes when I go to the city, and by the time I get back, it's like, oh, do I feel like heading into the academy now? But now, man, I'm well. And that was so much better than-

But wait a minute, wait a minute. You're the guy with the real job. Yeah, what do you mean? You're running an academy. Why don't you get Jim to come out to you? Set up a fucking- Yeah, and that's what I'm talking about. Set up a little fucking studio in your town.

Jimmy does the serious radio. Jim. Not serious radio. Get on a fucking Uber and get out the fucking island. Yeah, right? What is this nonsense? Right, right? We should do that. Get on the train. Thank you long aisle. Yeah, right? What is this nonsense? Right, right? We should do that.

Get on a train. Thank you, Joe. Listen, what's he doing all day? He's jacking off and fucking watching TV. He does his Sirius XM shit. So it's near his house. Oh, he does that every day? He does that fucking like five days a week, the Jim and Sam show.

Oh, I didn't know it was every day. Oh, so it's just like Opie and Anthony. It's like Opie and Anthony, but it's Jim and Sam. So he's got that gig going. I'm sure that place pays really good. So, you know, I didn't mind taking the hit going to the city, but now I do since it's a fucking shithole in there now. I used to hang out in there, fucking chill out, sipping my espresso.

How much has it changed? Eh, fucking chill out, sip an espresso. How much has it changed? I haven't been in there since that much, but I know it's shitty for my friends that live there and from what I've seen. It's, you know, I used to be, how about this?

I used to be able to go on with old school headphones kind of like this. You know, I used to train in the morning. I used to get my head straight and I'd go there and just whistle. I'm not going. Now I'm going to be there like fucking Kurt Russell and that motherfucker. I'm not going to be in there like chilling, walking the fucking... You have to

be on guard. It's fucking nasty, dude. The couple times I've been in there, it is what it is, but I think you get a sense of what it's like there now. It's not, you just gotta have your guard up. And I did not feel, and I never lowered my sword,

but I didn't have to feel like I was so on edge. You see shit all the time on the fucking subway. I mean, you just had that guy, you know, the guy got choked, you know, to death on the,

on the subway there. Well, yeah. I'm hearing all these different stories in that. Did the guy get choked to death? Is that what happened? Yeah. Well, this is what happened.

The guy was threatening people on a train. The guy, I don't know. There was a Marine. He put him in a chokehold. I don't know how long he held it for. I don't know how well he's trained. Never seen the video. So this is the thing. The people at home, when they put a choke hold. I don't know how long he held it for. I don't know how well he's trained. Never seen the video. So this is the thing.

The people at home, when they put a choke hold on, when you're doing it correctly, it stops the carotid arteries. I know we all know this guy. But it stops the blood flow. It doesn't stop the air. But if you stop the blood flow for 15 minutes, the motherfucker's not coming back.

So I don't know what happened, how long he kept it on and whatnot. But the guy who did have the chokehold on him had a fucking arrest warrant out for punching a fucking 60-something-year-old lady in the face. Dude, he had like 40-something. Oh, yeah, 40-something arrests. No, this wasn't your, you know, upstanding citizen. Look, there were three other people involved that were holding him, you know him when this guy tried to restrain him, too. So everybody felt threatened.

But this is what was weird. It's like they made it a race thing, too. Yeah, that's what it was, man. And the problem was to do that, they had to omit the fact that the other guy helping him was black. So there's a black guy that's helping him hold him down, and the guy's got his arm around this dude and most of the people on the subway came out in Defense of this guy said you know thank you and for for helping to protect He always got to make a narrative of you don't know what's the truth unless you were there There's also a problem with people that are that fucked up like that guy might have been high as shit

Yeah, fentanyl yeah, he might have been ready to die anyway You know and if you get in a scramble with that dude and then all of a sudden you got him in a headlock, you might have a fucking heart attack and die. I kind of feel bad for the dude because I know if it was me, I'm choking the motherfucker out. And I don't care. You know what I'm saying? 100%. It's

your life. The fact that that guy might go to jail for that. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. That's kind of scary. That's scary because I'm choking the motherfucker out because I'm trained to do that.. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. That's kind of scary. Nobody's scary because I'm choking a motherfucker out because I'm trained to do that. The only thing that I couldn't, only because I wasn't there,

is how long did he hold it on for? That's the only question I have. What did it look like? If I seen a video of him putting to sleep and the guy just didn't wake up, it's like, all right, well, maybe the guy shouldn't be fucking attacking people,

punching 60-something-year-old women in the face and whatever. You know what I mean? So there's a case for well, maybe the guy shouldn't be fucking attacking people right punching 60 something year old women in the face and whatever right You know what I mean, so there's a case for that But again, I couldn't I can't go to bat if I don't know how long he held that on yeah Yeah, remember when that guy got choked to death for selling loose cigarettes Big heavy guy I forgot it was a terrible story. Yeah Eric Gardner terrible story But there was all these people that were saying that's not a chokehold. I was a terrible story. Eric Gardner. Terrible story. But there was all these people that were saying, that's not a chokehold. And I was like, fuck you, that's not a chokehold.

Like, let me do that to you. Yeah. You don't even know what you're talking about. That cop had that dude's head, and he had that shit cinched down. He's getting choked. Yeah. And, you know, that's the worst case of it. Amen.

But this is like the best case of it. right stop in someone who's been assaulting people the fact that the guy died Fucking sucks, and we can't speak to it cuz I don't know I don't know is there a video of the actual choking if there's a video out there and not that you want to See the guy died, but it's crucial to know whether he did you know right here not exactly right? How long did the guy hold on to the choke? Because if he did hold on to the choke for like a couple of minutes, yeah, you don't do that. Does he know that though?

That's the biggest thing. There's another thing. He might not know that. Just because he's a Marine and he knows how to do that, fucking everybody knows. Okay, there's a photo of him. Well, 100% he's choking him. There's the photo, but now it looks like Logan Paul and Al Jermaine. Kind of shitty technique. But look at

his right arm. Look, he's goofy with his hand. Right? So it's not good technique. It's okay. I saw the guy get interviewed. He claimed this guy was talking through it. He said he used it more to restrain him, but I guess that's what you would say. That'll work, right? That's old school

UFC palm on the head. It does work, but that's not like what a black say. That'll work, right? That's old school UFC palm on the head. It does work, but that's not like what a black belt does. That's not like a serious guy. Hey, you know what kind of scared me recently, not to be a dick? And I love Michael Bisping and who else did it? Marvin Vittori. But fuck, man. Guys, when you want to do the real, and I love Michael Bisping.

I get along with him very well. They put a couple, they put Steve-O and someone else. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, hey, guys. Now look. Can I say something right now? Do you mind if I do this to Dean Thomas? No, wait a minute. I'm fine.

No, no. I'm not sure exactly where you are. But just when you're doing the proper re-naked, I want the elbow underneath the point of the chin that way i know i'm on the crowded arteries i'm not gonna do it but now if i just slightly go to compress what the fuck man like i don't know like i feel like if it's on the wind i'm looking at this thing like guys you might crush his fucking throat like look at the amount of pressure. He's putting all the Behind him like look what he's doing Holding it, but it's all it, but it's forum was on his windpipe. Yes, Mikey. I love Mikey. I love Mike

I do but guys come on man. Fuck. That's also like He will he like leaned into I know he got all of his weight behind it That was I would never behind it. That was. I would never do that to somebody. That guy was out. Yeah. You want a V on the neck. You want a fucking.

That's not a V. I'm with him. That's a fucking L. Yeah. He's doing a number four on his neck. It should be a V on the neck. That didn't hurt you when I was doing it. No, no.

And you'll be sleeping it under 10, fucking eight seconds. I don't like that. So if you're going to choke out radio DJs, do it properly. Align your elbow with the chin. There's a lot of those DJs get choked out. I mean, God damn. I don't know. I was looking at it like, dude, I'm a jujitsu guy.

What the fuck am I doing? Like, guys. It's not safe. I mean, yeah, you'll put them out, but fuck. You're going to hurt them. You're going to hurt them before you put them out. You're going to hurt his fucking guy. He's not going to be eating soup for a fucking week, that guy.

Anyway. Anyway. That just bothers me. I hear you. It's a good thing to talk about. And I like those guys. Yeah, because people get fucked at. Why do people want to get choked out like that, too?

Why do they want to go to sleep? Yeah, they have this infatuation, right? Maybe we're fighters and just like, I want to see what it feels like. Oh, you know what the worst one is? Steve-O with Tim Kennedy. Tim Kennedy choked him to sleep and then dropped him. when he bounced off his fucking head on the theater floor but why would Kennedy would know better than I he's a wild boy that's a look at this he chokes him to sleep holy shit but again

look where the elbow placement his His feet are dangling. Wait, what is he? Oh, see? Hold on, what? Damn, that was. Hundreds of people watching. Hold on. Yeah, this was on his show. Oh, no, that might have been.

I bet you he told him to fucking drop him. I think the elbow placement was better when I saw it the second time. Yeah, I think he did tell him to drop him. And Tim's like, okay. Right. I'll drop you. He's got his feet dangling. Really bad, though.

Dude, first of all. Yeah, that's very, very, very, very bad for your brain. First of all, the guy hits his head on the floor, too. You could die. That's what I'm talking about. That part. The choking out. He's had worse happenings.

Why would people do that? He's crazy. He wants that to happen. I know, but why would Tim Kennedy put himself in that position? Because if he dies, he's responsible for that. That's a real thing. Yeah. That's a real thing.

That's why I don't choke nobody out like that. Yeah, that's a real thing. That's a real thing in fights. Yeah. Hey, listen. A hundred percent. I mean, you could end a situation just as easy. But that fucking idiot when I was in Vegas, easy right hand at his fucking chin.

I was looking at him like Robocop where I saw the chin right there. But then he's taking his shirt off. I'm just like, ah, yeah, you little fucker. Ah, I'm going to fuck it. And my kids were right there. But so much hit him his head it's the floor i'm fucked yeah but also the way you did it was kind of beautiful yeah to show everybody like look this is and he's laughing and you're being nice to him i mean it was beautiful one point i was actually commercial for jiu-jitsu yeah i use that all the time as a fucking i'm no salesman but i tell people

and i mean it though i really do mean it I don't point to any of my fights with what likes with the guys I fought I fought some killers and stuff I tell people to look up that not and it's not for bragging rights you're holding his wrist it's like you're doing a seminar. Oh, no, 100% a lesson. But you know what I really like, though, about Brazilian jiu-jitsu is, well, this is how it started, though, because they came in like weekend at Bernie's.

So he's putting glasses on her and shit. So at first it was kind of funny. I'm like, look at this. Look at this. She's done. She's done. Look, look, look. She's like. Good lord.

So you got gotta understand. Where is this? Is this in Vegas? This is at the Red Rock Casino. The Fatita brothers own this. And this is the weekend that you got inducted to the Hall of Fame, right? Look at this guy throwing up his guard. And right now he's...

See, what happened was, I'm with my wife and my kids. It's July 4th, because the next day I was going into the Hall of Fame. And this fat fuck, oh, you're just subduing him? All right, get off him. Yeah, dude, are you going to fucking control him? At that point, nothing happened. I was waiting for this guy to grab my balls or something. You know what I mean?

Yeah. Because there's going to be a lapse between me not controlling him and him not getting involved. Right. But the thing was, we were, the next day I was going into. Does he try to swing at you when he gets up? No, now he's saying he wants to press charge. So, what happened was. He's going to charge you with embarrassing him.

It was the day before I was going to go into the Hall of Fame. And my wife's like, oh, we had family there in Vegas for me getting inducted in. So she goes, oh, you want to go down to the Strip to see the fireworks? And I'm like, listen, man, there's a lot of drunks. I don't want to, let's just keep it low key, and then we'll celebrate tomorrow.

So sure enough, we're at the Red Rock Casino, which is so cool. I love that place. Great place. There's a bowling alley in there the movie theater you know I love the movie and so be my wife my kids and and my sister and her kid were there so we're at the cafe and then you see them to walk in the to the guy and his girlfriend they were really hammered they left he left her there she slumped in the thing it's like passed out then he came

back and he came back really hostile and he was like throwing shit at the fucking the waiters and and i go to my wife i go we gotta get we gotta get the fuck out of here i go because i just know it's gonna get if something goes near my gets thrown in all directions i just know i just know it's i gotta get out of here because it's not good. Sure enough, my waiter was bringing me my check and the guy got up. He got up like this. So it just instinctively I got up. And then he

turned right to me. And this is what I tell my students because I don't look like a pussy. I don't look like John Rollo. John Rollo gets up. So I don't look like a pussy. The guy looked at me and goes, you got a fucking problem? John Rollo John Rollo gets up this is not but so I I don't look like a pussy the guy looked at me

he goes you got a fucking problem and so I'm I'm already angled I'm not gonna be on Worldstar Hip Hop you know what I'm saying I'm already angled

so then he fucking takes that fucking shirt off and nothing's gonna get better after that you know what I'm saying right so I stepped in around the waist

put him down the whole place is clapping at that point. And I tell my sister, I go, Sammy, I go, film this. Because I know what's going to happen. I know he's going to say UFC guy's beating him up. So that's her. My sister filmed that.

She's also the one with the big mouth. Yeah, that's right. That's not my wife. My wife's quiet. So then, you know, then I gave him a little lesson, and then security ended up coming. And at one point, you know, I'm telling him to calm down, and I look up and I see my nine, my Maria, my middle child.

At the time, she was like nine. And so she's looking up like, you know, like a little like, you know, terrified kind of, you know. So at one point, I look up at her with the same tone. I'm like, oh, no, it's okay. It sounds like I'm talking to him. So it sounds like I'm talking to him, but I was talking to my kid. But

you know, afterwards with that I sent a video to Dana and I go, hey, tell Lorenzo to get better security in his motherfucker. So that's when he put it out there with the TMZ. But I tell the students to look at that, the guys that are coming in if they're unsure of jiu-jitsu for them I go look

It's first of all it's nothing to brag about you all know this it's a drunk white belt It's not like I'm fucking hey look what I did everybody you know I Want some guys that did something but today untrained eyes kind of cool. You know it's like a jiu-jitsu is like a superpower That is Yeah, please good. No. I'm sorry. Yeah, I was gonna say it's such a much... Yeah, please. No, I'm sorry, Joe. I was going to say it's such a much better result than the Joe Schilling one. Oh, man. Let's show that.

Yes. This is worse case scenario. This is the other end of the spectrum. You could use jiu-jitsu or you could use Muay Thai and wrestling boxing. So here we're talking... This is one of the beautiful things about jujitsu. We're talking from a perspective of a jujitsu champion, UFC champion, and a Muay Thai champion. And watch how Joe Schilling handles this dude.

Because this is one of the most horrific videos that any drunk douchebag should ever see. They should show you in drunk douchebag school. Like this can happen to you. So he bumps into him. And then the guy says, hey. And Joe Schilling turns around, and the guy fucking- Oh, Jesus. All he had to do, all that dude had to do was flinch at him, and Joe hit the switch.

And this is crazy. This guy just looks like a yuppie douchebag, though. Well, apparently that guy had been like- He's probably getting on his fucking nerves. He had been annoying everybody at the bar. Oh, he looks like a dick. Look at this. You know what I'm happy about?

I heard he got off okay. I heard he got off. Yeah, he got off. It's a stand your ground law. Stand your ground law, because it happened in Florida. Oh, yeah, you can do anything in Florida. God bless Florida. That's fucking great.

Bro, that's the last stop. If I move to Florida, the fucking empire is on the way out. When I move to Florida. Joe fucking empire is on the way out. When I move to Florida. Joe Schilling is a savage. He's a bad motherfucker. He's so quiet, but man, that guy with the switch will turn in a minute. Well, you know what? He's a great guy.

Yeah. Very nice guy. If you're nice to him, he's the best guy you could ever be friends with. Yeah, for sure. But that's the wrong dude to flinch on. Oh, my God. That's the way it should be, though. Fuck yeah.

I think most fighters are that way. Most fighters aren't like that. That was totally unnecessary. That guy did not have to do that to him. The whole thing was provoked. He's a dick. Yeah. He deserved it.

Yeah, he deserved it. He learned a lesson. That's the universe. And those are videos for everybody to see, too. Kids should see that and go, oh, yeah. It's Darwinism. You know what I'm saying? When you're an should see that and go, oh, yeah. It's Darwinism. You know what I'm saying? Like, when you an asshole like that, you dumb, you get knocked out.

Right. Or you get eaten. Yeah. Back in the day, that's how it was. You know, if you talk shit, you got hit. You suffered consequences. Now there are no consequences. That's why I got off Twitter.

I haven't been on Twitter in eight. My life is better. It's better. I don't even know what goes on there. That's what I'm saying I'm in my world I do the Instagram Because I like to

Spread positivity And I like to Do stuff like that With my schools and stuff But the Twitter thing I don't get it I get it If there's some

Important message That you want out there For people that Can't get it out there I get that But otherwise I would just see negativity That's all it is

Maybe I'm too sensitive i didn't like it i didn't fucking like i want to be like jay and silent bob and start going all right i did not like how easy it is for people just to talk shit without any kind of repercussions i'm just i don't know it's also you're just dealing with too much negativity Yeah it's not good for you It's not good for you Negativity should be treated like a Fucking cancer and I do that at my school And

You get it out If you just one fucking Shitty guy with a shitty attitude could affect Fucking how many more Dude I pluck them right the fuck out Pluck them right the fuck out Out of your life too Out of my life And it's a cancer you gotta get rid of them pluck them right the fuck out out of your life too out of my life

yeah and it's a lot easier now too when we talk about the pandemic how I said I don't have to go to the city anymore I used to have two schools I lost the school from the pandemic

fucking awesome it's the best thing that ever happened what some people we talked about this earlier cause you fucking you got your fifth school now

Yeah, John's some people like to expand and that works for them. I Find it and as I get older down ratings the way to fucking go. I like one school. Everybody's under one roof I got I got three jobs once fun of them that my schools my main thing my thing with Jimmy Doing the Dana White looking for a fight with Dean. I don't want to do it. That's it. This is my retirement, man. This is it.

Maybe some voiceover shit. Yeah, you were telling me about that, too. You were telling me you've got a great balance. That's what you want out of life. You want a great balance. Shit you like to do. I heard on here one time, I like that Jordan Peterson. I'd never talk to him.

He's awesome. When you say when you talk to smart people, it's like talking to an ape. I'd be whatever's beneath an ape. If you're talking to him, you feel you're an ape. But I love his shit. I love what he says. I remember he was on here once

talking about how, and I'm going to paraphrase for sure, but retirement is like a, there's like really, not that there's no such thing, but what is your idea of retirement? And he said like the thing with drinking a margarita is like, that's a postcard, a post card. That's not a retirement.

It's not a real strategy for your life. Exactly. Yeah. I've heard people that like, I just can't wait to retire. I can't wait to retire. Then they retired. Like,

I don't know what the fuck to do with myself. Like they don't, and then they end up fucking dying. So I think quality of life. And I think I learned a lot of this from Ray Longo, who's 65 and still fucking going. Quality of life is, to me, the most important thing. You know what I mean?

How you move. I agree. It's everything. We've experienced enough douchebags in our life. We've experienced enough shitty times. Yeah, now you just want to hang around good people and just chill out. I was telling Matt earlier that the Republican Party in Maryland actually asked me if I would run for the U.S. Senate seat. John Rollo for president.

Let's go. Let's fucking go. John Rollo, the most jacked president in the history of the universe. You got Maryland locked down. BJ got Hawaii locked down. That's what I want the rest of the world to see when they think about an American president. A John Rollo looking motherfucker. Hell yeah.

With his hand on the gavel. But I said the same thing. It's going to ruin your fucking life. They're going to be up your ass with a microscope. They're going to torture your family in the media. And I said to Matt, I go, I enjoy my life the way it is right now. I said, it's comfortable. I'm happy.

I'm my own boss. We all thank Henzo because he's given us all a nice career through the education we got with him. Thank God for Henzo. Henzo's the best. He's the best. What a fucking guy he is. What a lineage that guy's created. He's changed a lot of lives.

In that Gracie documentary that I was just doing I was like there's a few Black belts when someone says I got a black belt under Hickson right I got a black belt under Henzo. That's a big fucking Yeah, yeah, it's like one of those you know that's like you know graduating from Yale. Yeah, it's that's the real deal No, I mean that's the proudest. I mean I'm Henzo's first American you You can say Ricardo Almeida technically is. But fuck that. He's really good. No, no, no, no, no, no.

You've been in the East since you're three years old. He moved to Brazil when he was like two months. I will claim to be the first American. But Henzo, when he came over, he was just so giving, man. Like he brought me over. I was cornering him in the rings tournament and pride and these things when I was a purple belt. I didn't make a name for myself yet. And he just, he really just did so much for so many.

I remember when John Law was first dating him. You know what? And the thing about Henzo is he's so different from, like, the traditional Brazilian black belt. Right. Because he's so, like you said, he's so giving and he's so, it's like tradition don't matter to him. When he said,

when they would talk about, oh, you got to have your belt tied this way. I remember that. And he said, the belt is, whatever the way it ends up, that's the way I tie it.

Yeah. Whatever it ends up, that's how it's supposed to be tied. Universally loved. Everyone loves Henzo. Yeah. And he's funny too

because, like, you know now I remember there was like a modern jujitsu student who was in the blue basement and Henzo was teaching there and he goes Henzo when he was naming all the when you go from the coyote guard to the K guard

to the K guard and Henzo goes my friend don't make jujitsu only for the intellectuals. Show me the move. And I'm there with it, man. I'm right there with you. Hell yeah. Bro, I listen to some of the commentary.

I'm not exactly sure what they're saying sometimes. Oh, man, I can't. Yeah, I don't know what the fuck you're talking about. It makes it weird when they start going, oh, you don't know the coyote guard? I go, dude, man, motherfucker. Oh, you mean the underhook when you're getting out? I've been doing that that since last millennium Cocksucker

Teaching you cuz they know the words and it's like but it's weird I'm not there's some shit like Della Hiva, you know, like people you have to understand that yeah Yeah, no, I get it. No, and I don't want to hate on I'm not hating on anything new sweet I love it all you know what I mean, but uh, it could get confusing Anything new sweet. I love it all you know what I mean, but uh it could get confusing It gets confusing so you don't want to the leg lock game is confusing as fuck right right right like the whole When I yeah when I was training it wasn't there was no leg locks It was very rare it was every now and then some dude learned some shit from really list back in the day It was frowned upon it was very frowned upon

Why foot locks were okay though? Yeah, but he got locks. A knee bar, straight knee bar was okay. Occasionally a knee bar, but heel hooks were dangerous. But then, god damn, the whole game changed. Well, Danaher, John Danaher, my good buddy, did that conversation he had with Dean Lister. Dean Lister

was sleeping on my futon when he had that fucking... Dean Lister was visiting, staying at my place, training with me, and I was living with Rodrigo Gracie at the time in Woodmere, Long Island. We had an apartment. It was fucking awesome.

And Dean Lister was visiting, and that's when I would take him in, and he was taking out most of the academy with the leg locks back then. And that's when he had that conversation with John about why ignore 50% of the body. And then John starts fucking twitching. Right.

My computer starts spinning. It changes the entire trajectory of Jiu-Jitsu. That guy is someone right out of a fucking movie. Yeah. Donner, like, that would not be a real person in any other time in history. You get a guy who's a professor of philosophy at Columbia who becomes addicted to jujitsu and sleeps on the mats and just teaches people

and he's like a legit genius, wears rash guards everywhere, doesn't give a fuck about anything but jujitsu. Had one on at dinner last night. Yeah. Had one at my wedding. Came to my wedding in a rash guard. He's an animal. He's an animal.

And he's so fucking smart, man. It's couldn't be. He's super smart. All he gives a fuck about is combat sports. Well, we just, we talked about it yesterday. We were out to eat yesterday and I'm like,

Johnny, give me a day in the life. And he's telling me about all the teaching. Cause I thought maybe he lightened up his load cause back in the day, in Henzo's, he would just teach, teach, teach and you'd see him with a pillow over to the side.

On a pillow. And then, you know, then you'd see him with a pillow over to the side. On a pillow. And then he'd get back up, do some more privates. I know from being a teacher, you could get fucking burnt the fuck out. I don't know how he does that. Like, it's just, how? He just, he doesn't do anything else. His first television that he had, my buddy Chad LeBrun, you might know Chad. Yeah, I do remember.

He was, we called him Hillbilly. He was from Virginia. He came down to stay for a little bit in New York to train with us. Couldn't take it. He goes, oh, I was in the supermarket. I said, thanks, ma'am. She goes, I'm not older than you. He goes, oh. Anyway, he just didn't like the whole New York attitude. So he goes, I gave

John my TV because the only reason he took it is because he could play the, it had a VHS and a DVD thing or whatever that he could watch wrestling videos on and shit like that. That's all he'd watch. He doesn't watch anything else. He doesn't believe in any kind of like any marriage or love. He's a fucking, he's an odd duck. He's a cyborg. He's the oddest duck I've ever encountered. And he's always been that way. He's as smart duck. He's a cyborg. He's the oddest duck

I've ever encountered. And he's always been that way. He's as smart as anybody I've ever talked to. He's as smart as Elon. He's as smart as all these people. He's just smart

about killing people. This guy just got his driver's license. He's 50. He said he's 57. And Austin accrues me to drive. And he will end up back in New York sooner or later.

No, no, we got him. I can't picture him. We got him. We got him out here. I can't picture him. It's weird seeing him anywhere other than New York. He's thriving out here, though. No, I know.

Listen, do you know he's Gary Tonin's striking coach, too? Yeah. Is he really? Isn't that wild? I mean, I believe it. He does everything. If you study the game, I mean, I believe it. He does everything. If you study the game, I mean, it just comes down to information and knowledge. Yeah, but I would very rarely say that I would trust someone who's never struck, like never

been a striker, to be a striking coach except for him. Right. Except for him. For him, I'm like, yeah, he'll figure it out. He'll probably be the best at it. Yeah. I like Gary. I wish Gary was in the UFC so more people could see him.

He's got an exciting, exciting... His jiu-jitsu game is fucking wild. He's a risk taker. Yeah, he's a risk taker for sure. Sometimes it'll cost him. That match with Krohn was one of my favorites. That was insane. It showed how good Krohn is too.

To come back from that and win. I feel for Krohn in that last one. Sure. That last one was not good. That was so crazy. I don't know what was going on. You'd have to talk to Krohn respectfully. He looked depressed going in and throughout the fight, just looking like he didn't want

to be there. I'm not laughing at that. Might as well tell you. Listen, I was telling you guys this the other day. So, I got ulcerative colitis. It has to do with this. Joe's like, really? What the fuck?

What is that? No, no, no. It has to do with this. Oh, I have stomach issues, man. I got fucking. When I have to go, I have to go. And then you don't know when it stops. And it's a problem.

So I'm at the UFC. Aljoes. When Krohn fought. Did Aljo fight tonight or Marab? Was that Marab I can't remember I'm not sure it was one of them

but I was there I think it was there for Aljo Aljo was fighting that night that's right so I'm in I asked the UFC to find me

a stall a little bit private because I got stomach issues so they brought me next to another one that wasn't so open and it was through

the showers and stuff so I'm in there doing my business and all of a sudden I hear So they brought me next to another one that wasn't so open, and it was through the showers and stuff. So I'm in there doing my business, and all of a sudden I hear some people by the fucking showers. And it was Krohn and his whole crew, and it was right after the loss, right? Oh, no. So I'm in the, they don't know I'm in there.

So I'm like, oh, no. I'm trying to stop my feet. I'm like, I'm clenching my ass. And I'm like, and all of a sudden I hear a, I hear a, you know, man, you know. You know, they wanted me to use my jiu-jitsu. I tried to use my jiu-jitsu. That fight sucked. And he's like stressing, he's like venting to his team. You know, nothing, you know, I'm not, there's nothing crazy.

But it's normal after a loss to be. Yeah. And the team's being quiet. All I know is I'm stuck in the fucking stall. I want to sneak out. The door is there. I could make it, but they're going to see me.

The sink is over there. I got to wash my hands. I'm not going to fucking handle it. Did you ever think about saying, hey guys, it's Matt Serra. I'm taking a shit? I didn't know what to, no, I didn't know what to say.

Yeah, it's hard to say. Because they were trying to consult. Right, right. They weren't really saying much. They would have knew somebody was in there. So sure, I know. But I was finishing up. I was almost out. I was trying to consult. They weren't really saying much. They would have knew somebody was in there. So sure, I know. But I was finishing up. I was almost out.

I was trying to stop my feet. So I end up finishing. I finish and I walk out. I go over. I wash my hands. And he looks up. He goes, what's up, Sarah? I'm like, hey, Crone.

And you don't know what to say. And I've been there, obviously. I got my losses. So I go, hey, man. I go, look, man. To be honest,. So I go, hey man, I go, look man, to be honest, you're going to feel like this

until you kick someone else's ass. I go, then you're going to, that's going to help you, man. Bye! Bye! Oh my God!

Dude, I just wanted to fucking put a lampshade in there. Oh my God, that's hilarious. It was bad, dude. What a scenario.

I want to see that in a cartoon. Yeah, right? I want dude What a scenario I want to see that In a cartoon Yeah right I animate that I animate that Gets me in trouble Matt The colitis thing

What do you do for that Well what I just went And saw a specialist Again I had Three colonoscopies And It's one thing

They don't even They don't even tell me To stay away from my food I Oh my so I could just eat anything I'm even asking my wife some little drug you have to be in fucking put out and then I mean You know exploring my ass So I'm like do I have to stay away from anything and then I tell me nothing no just no a guy All right, have you ever tried to adjust your diet? You ever tried to do like a? Have you ever tried to do carnivore?

Have you ever tried to do that? You know what I did for a while? And I believe it helped me initially with my weight. Because like I said, I used to be a fatty. I did the gluten-free for a while. For a while. For a while. Did the colitis help?

Did it get better? You know what it was? I ended up having to get hospitalized with my stomach because I was having extreme flare-ups at one point, and I didn't know what was going on. So I went in there, and they put me on an IV, and I was just on liquids until it calmed down. And then the last...

So then after that, I started doing gluten-free because I didn't want to eat anything that I remembered that was flaring it up, and that was like Italian food and stuff. But I was eating still Italian food, but the gluten-free one. Gluten-free raviolis. Oh, there's some good shit.

And I lost a bunch of weight. I feel the gluten-free helped me out a lot because I wasn't getting bloated anymore. I noticed. It's a big problem with me too. Cauliflower pizza and stuff like that. I wasn't getting bloated. Now I don't think I'm getting bloated

because I don't think I'm holding shit in. I'm just not fucking having the shit. But yeah, so that's where it was with that. And then the last time I went, which was literally a couple weeks ago, they gave me something, which I didn't do last time like a bad boy. I got to do a stool sample.

I hate doing that. You got to take a shit in a bucket. I got to take a shit in a bucket. And then you have, but then it's like Mission Impossible. You have 24 hours to get that shit. So I'm gonna be like, and I always, and I always, no pun intended, I always forget to do shit.

Oh my God. So I don't wanna do it, and then like, not get it there in time. How would you forget that though? I forget everything. I would know. Dude, dude. What's that smell? My wife, the other day, she woke me up from a nap or whatever.

She goes, did you forget something last night? I go, what are you talking about? You left the hose in the pool. I go, ah, fuck. I always forget. I had to fill up the pool a little bit. Dude, my ADD, well, I smoke a lot of reefer too. My ADD is pretty bad.

It's pretty bad, dude. I'll be teaching a move, not to get you guys worried, because I'm usually in that state anyway. I'll teach a move, and I'll go into something, and then I'll go back to show a guy. I'll be like, I hope this guy puts me back where I was. I forgot where I was. And I'll look at him, and I'm like, Matt, where were we again? Okay, Mount.

All right, we're back to Mount. I don't know. Matt, have you ever gone and got blood work done and got everything checked out at a reputable place that looks at all your levels and finds out what's going on? I mean, I got my TRT doc that I go every six weeks. I get everything checked for me, all my levels. You might have food allergies, man.

The way you're talking about the gluten and the pasta, there's a lot of people that react like that. You know who actually gave me great advice? man you might you might be it's the way you're talking about the gluten and the pasta it's like there's a lot of people that react like that you know no who actually gave me great advice it was or who had so he told me something very similar i was just in manchester england with george saint pierre and we were doing like a like a signing out there he got me hooked up with it he's such a sweetheart george and he told me that he had ulcerative colitis the same as me and the stuff he was telling me is The same shit I deal with and I'm like fuck that's right. See I see blood also. Yeah So we were talking about it and

He said that he what he does is the intimate fasting. So now he eats only between 1 and 9 fasting. So now he eats only between 1 and 9. He only eats between 1pm and 9, and that's his window of eating. And he feels great. It went away. So I'm not doing that shit yet. I might try that.

He does long fasts. He's done multiple, I think like 72 hours. He said he does just the water. He said he does that. He did that to kickstart it. But now he stays on that schedule. A lot of people swear by that every now and again. I think, I mean, you know what it is?

Because of my stomach, I do eat less. Like, I'll have two slices and a hero instead of like a pie. Is that fair? That might be the worst fucking... I think you know how you can over-train your body? Yeah. I think you can over-use your digestive system. You know, if you're a guy like me,

I have a real problem. If I come home and I'm tired, I just fucking eat. I just open up that fridge, let's go. Is that why you moved here for real, though? To keep your diet in check? You want to be away from all the good Italian food? No. If I was in Austin, too, I wouldn't be waiting for all the good Italian food and shit if I was in Austin too

I wouldn't be dialing fucking pizza every day dude the two brothers and the stuff near me the Umberto's they can't make a bad slice it's fucking ridiculous there's great food out here

there's great food out here I'm not eating pizza so I don't know but there's great food out here everywhere you go there's like these different restaurants and food trucks

and everything I'll take you guys somewhere fun tonight we'll go eat somewhere no I I know it is also I think why I'm staying in better shape is I used to always blow up, as you know. But because I knew I'd be getting it off because I had a fight coming up. Right. So it's like, if I'm fighting twice a year, half the year I'm training.

So yeah, I'll become a fatty in between. I'd be a fucking... Enjoy yourself. Dana used to always say the same joke. And he always has always like you know when like the evil villain

says something and all the other guys are like so he used to always see me he used to always see me and goes oh it looks like

you ate Matt Serra and they go I'm like fuck you Dana oh my god the same joke oh my god you know all the little

fucking guys laughing but uh anyway so then so now I knew because I don't have anything coming up like I Same joke. I love a little fucking guys laughing. But anyway. So now I knew because I don't have anything coming up. Like four days a week, like 7 a.m., I do that 7 a.m. class. So I start the day sweating. And even when I'm not rolling, I'm fucking drop cyanogen, doing some arm locks. So I just start the day sweating.

And I think it just gets my metabolism going. For sure. Dude, you're built like your dad. Your dad's a fire plug. So I just thought that they sweating. I think it's, it just gets my metabolism going for sure. You know, dude, you're built like your dad. Your dad's a fire. When I first met his father, I thought it was his brother.

I, we were at Henzo's wrestle all's for Abu Dhabi stuff. And I said to Matt, I go, is that another brother? He goes, brother. He goes,

you know, I never met my dad. It was his teen. He's pretty young. He had me young. Yeah. Yeah. I was the best mistake he ever had.

That's hilarious. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I was the best mistake he ever had. That's hilarious. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's hilarious. But yeah, he did good with that. But yeah, my father was a black belt under Henzo also. Wow, that's amazing. That's crazy to me. That's amazing.

Wow. Not a lot of those. Yeah, right? Father, son, black belt. Father, son, black belt. Shit, man. He has no neck either. The North-South choke.

We used to call the North-south choke the papa choke. That's nice. Because Henzo, you know, used to call him papa. And he used to get north-south, and he had no fucking... His chest was like a barrel. He used to get fucking that. Who was the first guy that started doing that? Because we used to think that was like a goon move.

The north-south choke? At Henzo's was my dad. Someone started doing it. I'll be honest with you. When I was a blue belt belt after Frank beat Tito, I went to train with him. I asked Henzo, you care if I go see what's up? Because I wanted to learn what he was doing for cardio. And he showed me a north-south choke.

He called it like a pec choke. And when I showed Henzo the move, Henzo you know, Henzo was, like, intrigued with it. And then he came up. He's got a whole chain of things off of if the guy turns this way, lock him up. If he turns the other way, he's punch choking him. Like, he was pretty slick. But, I mean, that was the first time I had seen it. But so it used to, at one point in time, I remember Monson got some of it.

That's what I was going to say. That's when it got famous. Known for it. Because he put, what, Brandon? I think he put Brandon Lee H of those. That's what I was going to say. Jeff Monson was known for it. I think he put Brandon Lee Hinkle out with it, if I'm not wrong. Who did he put out with that? Monson was a goon. He was so strong. He still is a goon. He is a goon.

But I mean, he'd get in the best possible term. He was a gorilla. That guy was so big at one point in time. I remember he fought someone in Abu Dhabi and he got a bad decision. So he took all his clothes off. His clothes off, yeah. Pele Pano. Yeah, Pele Pano.

That's how it was. He neck cranked him, and it was illegal. Pele Pano tapped because he figured he's getting disqualified. They told Munson he won and then cranked his neck. It was illegal, and they took it from him. Look how jacked that dude was. He's Russian now. Hanzo said his shorts that he took off,

like they had one of them side open bars. His shorts were hanging in one of the bars in Brazil. That's exactly the way my father does it. Yeah. I mean, and he was so fucking strong. Man, that's a good move. That's one of my moves, too. He inspired me when I had to fight for the title.

He inspired me to go for broke, because his fight with Tim Silver is the worst piece of shit I ever seen in my life. I saw that fight, and it was a short, bald guy shooting from across the cage on that big dork Tim Silver. And fucking, you know,

it was fucking the worst fight. I go, look, I will rather get knocked the fuck out Then have that as my one title shot because that's what it would have looked that way I might have resembled that if I just tried to get George down. You know I Remembered that knockout like I was amazing while it was happening I could not fucking with him in eyes when you knocked out GSP. I remember that's like holy shit Yeah, you always had weird power Some dudes just have weird power. Yeah.

Long ago, you know what it was, though? When we came into, it's the journey of the way the philosophy is. My philosophy was, I was like a street fighting kid. I knocked a couple guys out. I did a tough man contest at 18. Mr. T was the referee. I brought this up. I swear to God.

Mr. T was the referee. If you look, I I swear to God. Mr. T was the referee. I brought this up the last time I was actually here, fucking how many years ago. I knocked two guys out and the third guy I lost. Worst concussion I had in my life. I fought three times in an hour at the Palladium in Manhattan. To this day, my jaw from that fucking night.

Oh my God. That's crazy. I thought it was... I went to go eat pizza afterwards. That's crazy. My shit was out of whack, so I figured it was a broken jaw. And I went there, they said it wasn't broken. But, to that day. Oh my God.

That's so weird. It's fucked up. That is wild. But, does it hurt? Where was I again? Weird power. Weird power. Weird power.

So yeah. He knows me well. I know. I know. I know, guys. It's bad. So then when the Gracies came along, that's when I was 18. So then when the Gracies came along, they go, no, no, you could never exchange. Don't exchange.

It's a crapshoot if you exchange. Don't exchange. Exchange. Close the distance. So I adapted that philosophy. And I was living jujitsu living it living it but living it and then ignoring the striking because everybody was at that point because it was like when the UFC came on the scene

it's like look at you jitsu yeah so then then then a sudden everything started coming back around. So that's when Longo's like, told you, cocksucker. I go, okay. So Longo had to make me skinny, Matt. Look at you. Look at this. Oh, my God. This is all thanks to Ray Longo. Oh, look at that right hand.

Dude. This was the craziest thing. You had some crazy power, Matt Serra. I'm sure you still do, but you really did then. Thanks, buddy. Dude, look at that. Boom. So nuts. Boom. I mean, it was fre craziest thing. You had some crazy power, Matt Serra. I'm sure you still do, but you really did then. Thanks, buddy. Dude, look at that. Boom. So nuts.

Boom. I mean, it was freaky power. It was one of those things where, like, watching George tap to strikes in this situation, I mean, this was a wild, wild upset. Had a house full of people. The crazy thing was, you know, again, you were known as the jiu-jitsu champion. You were known as one of the best jiu-jitsu champion you were known as one of the best jiu-jitsu guys ever to come out of america so do you for you to see you knocking guys out

like that was wild when i had to fight thank you first of all thanks when i had to fight carol parisian uh i took the fight and i was i was healthy but when i first got the call a few weeks before that a couple weeks before that I had a torn meniscus. So when they asked me, I'm like, I could run. I go, the feet, the floor didn't feel good. The wrestling, I couldn't do. So I felt like it was going to tear off if I did that. But I could do some jiu-jitsu.

I could run and I could box. So we did a lot of boxing for that. And I think that truly helped me because It's weird because I got tied in that fight and I very rarely get tied and I truly believe is because I did not Mimic the fight with defeat the floor sparring right do it. So, you know when that's a that's a That's a different kind of wind that you need to do it. It's like wrestling It's up and down up and down and I didn that. And I got, one of my few times in my career,

I got winded. And it was, Caro, he's probably one of the worst guys to get winded with because that motherfucker had a good gas tank. So I almost knocked him out

in the beginning because all that boxing, I just did nothing but hands with that fucking thing. And I was really getting used to rolling and coming back and landing and Longo was happy with it. He was taking me

into Brooklyn to work at Lou Negley's school too in Brooklyn. And I was getting fresh faces. And I was really starting to feel good and get the timing in it that I never had with the standup. So where I fucked up with,

I had him hurt. I had him up against the fucking thing. He got a fucking judo grip inside my fucking pants. You see me go to the ref. He's got a grip. And by that time he weathered it. I still had to shoot my load.

Got tired. It went the way it went. That got me into the tough house which led to good things. But two things. The one, when I got him hurt, I didn't line that shit up. You know what I'm saying? I was just fucking So when I hurt George, Longo pointed to that. He goes, when you hurt him

manage your distance. Keep your distance. Manage and line it up. And that's what we did. And a couple of things Longo had me doing, he had me having a fucking ball, like a medicine ball, kind of. It was rubber, but it was heavy. And he would have me just throw it

during the circuit training, even if the sparring. 25 times, that's his fucking head! Stop throwing the fucking thing! Stop throwing the fucking thing! Stop throwing the fucking thing. So fucking Longo really made me believe that, that I could fucking stand with this guy. He goes, they think you're going to try to get him down.

You're not going to try to get him down. And I remember looking at that Jeff Munson fight, and that cemented it. I go, dude. Because you wasn't going to do that, right? I'm not doing that. I'm not going to do that. So I didn't know I was going to knock him out,

but I knew that I had a very good chance of doing it because I was hurting guys with the 60-ounce gloves. And Longo's like, look, he's fucking hitting me. He goes, they're standing up. He's doing some karate shit. It's not that big. Listen, I love George, and he's better. The stuff he was doing standing at the time,

Longo had guys feeding me the exact shit. It was weird. It was some Matrix shit. Because then in the fight, I remember at one point he did a high kick, a low kick, a high kick. I remember just being like, oh, I feel like Spider-Man. So it just,

it felt like a good day of sparring. You know? And by the way, everybody out there, don't watch the rematch. No. When you went into the rematch, were you injured? You never, well, who's Matt? Be honest, boy, be honest. I'm going to just tell you the word.

The word was, before the rematch, Matt had hurt his back. And I had heard that you'd hurt your back. Well, the thing is this. This is what happened. I was supposed to fight Matt Hughes. Right. And that's when you hurt your back. I was supposed to fight Matt Hughes. Right. And that's when you hurt your back. I hurt my back.

Yeah. And then I was out. And then that's when they fought. Matt, this was New Year's Eve. So this was New Year's Eve when I was out with my back. So they fought New Year's Eve, I know, because we did a watch party at MSG, you know. And they fought. So I didn't know who I was fighting at that point.

So then my back was out. So then George beat Matt. So now I was fighting George. I was going to fight Matt. That was my first title defense. So now I was going to fight George. And then I fought George. So my back was out on, what is that, the 31st of December.

So this is the very injury you were talking about earlier. Yes, the very same injury I talked about earlier because I was supposed to fight. No. Yes. That is the same injury. I was supposed to fight Matt. That's right. I ended up fighting Matt eventually.

Right. But that's what it was. I'm trying to think of the timeline. So this was December, what is it, 31st. That's when they fought so then I had to fight George in April

so that's months there for me but I had to go through a camp yeah but if you have herniated discs and you go to a chiropractor so he's doing voodoo on you yeah you're making it worse

he's hanging by your necklace I wasn't I wasn't walking then but I ended up getting the weight off and and you weren't walking

being able to fight I You weren't walking? I wasn't, well, I was walking, but how about this? When you bend over to brush your teeth, I wasn't able to do this. Jesus Christ. For how long? It was, my black belt, Dr. Yasha,

I'm giving him a shout out because he gave me an epidural in the city. You know Yasha. An epidural. I know you had two epidurals before that fight I didn't want to say it unless you did well he gave that to me in I guess January so what does that do it just kills the pain I don't know what it did exactly but it got

me back it got me back to being what does that do an epidural it's just a pain it's a surgery thing though it does not always work either you know it helped me I was afraid I wasn't coming back An epidural? It's just a pain. It's a surgery thing, though. It does not always work, either. It helped me. I was afraid. I wasn't coming back.

And he got me back, you know? But that's what they do with women. That's what they do when they have babies. That's 100%. I had it for sciatica. I've had the shots. It provides anesthesia that creates a band of numbness from your belly button to your upper legs.

It allows you to be awake and alert through labor. Okay, but it's also, it's not that. There's also an epidural for back injuries. Google that, epidural back injuries. It must be like some sort of a pain blocker. So that was January. Yeah, so there it is right there. Epidural steroid injections. Yeah, so anesthesia injection.

Cleveland epidural steroid injections. Yeah. So anesthesia is injection. Inject an anesthetic into the epidural spine around your spine so it can stop pain signals. So that's what it is. It got me to heal up. But your back is still weak. Yeah, it's still fucked up.

100%. Did it affect your movement with the epidural? No. Listen, this is what I'm going to say. I don't want you to say this because you should make an excuse. I'm just asking you as a human being, what was it like? I'm going to say, this is what I'm going to say. I don't want you to say this because you should make an excuse. I'm just asking you as a human being, what was it like? I'm going to say, this is what I'll say. The epidural, it took me a little bit to get back into being able to train properly. But you got to think, I got to that fight.

It wasn't my fucking best camp, but I got there, and I showed up, and I took my shot, and I signed the dotted line, and I feel George was so on point that night. What a fucking night that was too, man. That was fucking insane. 50,000 people, right? Chance of fuck you.

Longo doesn't speak quietly. I couldn't hear him in between rounds. Chance of fuck you, Sarah. All I heard was fuck you, Sarah. All I heard was fuck you, Sarah. You know what it was? It was around the time of Talladega Nights. So I did a thing where I go, he should just drink

his red wine and shut the fuck up. I was doing some, I was calling him Frenchie. But it was all from the movie. And I loved George. And it was, you know, I was a kid too. Whatever it was. But I feel George. And it was, you know, I was a kid too. It was, you know, whatever it was. But I feel George was so on point that night that if I had my, even if I wasn't fucking tip top, I think I probably would have resembled him and Nick Diaz would be like,

so I didn't like that I stopped. You know what I mean? That tortured me. Matter of fact, when I was going to fight Frank Trigg, there was pictures of Frank Trigg's face photoshopped on George saying I remember reading a thing Who else thinks that Frank Trigg's gonna wrestle fuck Sarah? Anyway So Just like I told Crone I had to get I had to kick somebody else's ass because I don't like the way that second fight went.

It felt horrible. Did you ever get over the back injury? I, yeah, I feel good. Knock on, now knock on wood. Doesn't bother you at all anymore? There's times where just like a couple of weeks ago, I felt a little something that it makes me nervous where I'm like, I feel if I do this, I don't want you, you remember what it was like when you have any back things?

Oh yeah. It's worse. It's worse than anything you could think of. It's bad. Your of your knees then excited that new knee put in and this and that yeah The back is worse. You can't do anything like you can't do anything like you know, that's why Aljamain getting his disc replaced in his neck like oh wow. Yeah Yeah, I mean that is wild that he goes on to do that and then Dominates pewter in the match and then dominates Piotr in the rematch. And then, you know, runs through TJ Dillashaw.

And then beats Henry. Beats Henry and out-wrestles Henry. Yeah. Wild. He gets a lot of, he gets unwanted hate. And he's such a likable guy. And I don't think anymore. I think the tide has turned. People still don't like him now.

I think the tide has turned. Especially after the Cejudo fight. I mean, come on, man. Give the gentleman his due. You know, I was in the corner that night, and I was shocked that it was I Was shocked that it was close I mean maybe if you watch I watched it it like I remember just thinking like maybe one round he lost And I'm usually pretty a very fair in in judgment, but you know yeah judges sometimes you do

Sometimes they just get it all up and it's so dangerous it is it's like you can change your career one way or the other it's like i heard a split decision i'm like no no not a split not a split was it a split it wasn't it wasn't it was like i don't know here now i go all the i hope they don't do this to this oh my god you know that that is people forget too they remember who won when you look at the record books yeah especially if it's close enough yeah it's close When you look at the record books, they remember who won. Especially if it's close enough. It's close enough.

Like the Devin Haney-Lomachenko fight. Devin Haney is going to go down forever as being the guy who won, whereas a lot of people saw that and thought Lomachenko won. I thought Lomachenko won. So that's one of those doesn't matter forever. I still won on paper. That's on accounts. I remember a fight when they raised this dude's hand, and then backstage they changed it.

What fight was that? Are you serious? Oh, that's right. And that's why nothing made me more happy. I was at that fight, too. Nothing made me more happy when he beat GSP because by MMA math, I was the world champ. That's right. That's right.

How did they do that? What was that colossal fuck up? Basically, one of the judges wrote his score where he was where my name was and he had it upside down. They used the excuse that we look alike. Yeah.

All I know is I'm backstage going oh man, that was a close one. Fuck man. All I know is I'm chasing him around oh, man, that was a close one, right? Fuck, man. All I know is I'm chasing him around, getting jabbed in the fucking face. I finally get him down. And so, I mean, it was one of those things where, you know, I didn't feel like I lost, but listen, he won the fight.

He was using, I always had that attitude where I was going forward, so I felt like I won. I was pulling a fucking Henry Chihuly. I lost the fight, all right? You want to hear it now? I got the tattoo to prove it. I really got the tattoo. He did. He got a tattoo that says, hey, man, I won. He did.

He always break his balls about it. That's awesome. That's great. Oh, my God, that's hilarious. So I was backstage, and all of a sudden, he's in the locker room next to me. So all of a sudden, I hear them, so Dana went in his room. I didn't know that first. So all of a sudden, I hear them all cheering.

I go, wow, I guess it's great to be second place, cocksuckers. I'm like, they're really taking this well. All of a sudden, Dana comes in. He's like, I hate to tell you, but they got it wrong. And I'm like, what? I go, ah! I'm like, really? You fuck? I hate to tell you, but they got it wrong. And I'm like, what? I go, ah! I'm like, really? You fuck?

I have to pay and everything? Anyway. That's serious. It was fucked because he got his hand raised. I never got my due. But they were talking about trying to get that redone and have Buffer announce me as the winner eventually. What do you mean? You mean eventually still? Yeah, like like still i was like i was like i was like no i was like no i don't want to do that the next

one yeah i was like no i don't want to do that i was like no i don't want to do that that's hilarious yeah man that's hilarious yeah i don't have any fight that i've lost i don't know about you or you johnny or you joe there's any i don't think there's not any fight that I've lost I don't know about you or you Johnny or you Joe there's any I don't think there's not one fight that keeps me up at night and when nothing me neither me I don't know when but when you're going through it and when you lose especially when it's fresh

I think you think you're gonna feel that forever that pain right yeah like I don't know I mean I maybe it's because I had to see that Shoney back a million times and they use that in every fucking promo I mean I maybe it was because I had to see that Shoney backfist a million times And they use that in every fucking promo I guess that maybe started me off being humble because it was the first backfist ever You did dominate the whole the earlier fight. No I don't give a fuck now

But my point is I don't give a fuck about any of them Well, that's what I try to tell fighters as a coach now I say listen you got to fight your best fight because if you lose, it's going to suck, but you're not going to care in the future. You want to tell you something I'm opposed to? What's that? I'm opposed to win bonuses. Me too. I don't like it.

I don't like it either. I don't like it. I don't even know why it even, it doesn't motivate fighters. It doesn't motivate. I don't think it's fair. No. I don't think the judging can be counted on as being 100% accurate. I think it ruins careers.

I hate the win bonus. Yeah, I just think it's, you know, you should get paid to fight. You're doing your best. It's the UFC. It's the highest level of the sport. These guys are not going to fight harder to win. They're going to fight their hardest. Yeah, they always do.

Yeah, they're not going to try to do something extra to get a win bonus to win. They're trying to win always. Like, it's not an incentive. It's just, in the case of bad judging, it just penalizes the fighter who did nothing wrong, and they can maybe rectify it backstage with bonuses if they choose to do that, but I don't know how often they do. But it shouldn't be, I think it should be a part of what you fight for. You have a contract. That's what I think it should be, like boxing. You fight for X amount of money, and that's what you fight for. That's where you get paid.

Not whether or not the judges get it right, not whether or not some freak thing happens and you get injured. You know what I mean? It just doesn't make sense to me. Yeah, I don't understand why they still have win bonuses, because the win bonus and the commission is separate. The fact that if the judges get it

wrong, it affects your money. It's completely separate. Maybe by 50%. The UFC should just be like, you know what, we're going to make it right for the fighters and just say, listen, this is what you get paid, so it doesn't matter if they get it wrong. I would feel better about that just period anyway.

It just doesn't make any sense to me. Yeah, it don't make sense to me neither. I don't like it. Because it's like these guys are fighting. I mean, sometimes guys lose and they're fighting their fucking ass off. Like a split decision is so close. Oh, my God. And some of them just crazy fucking wars where you're like, Jesus Christ.

And I know they give people bonuses. Yeah. But that's still. Did you ever see the fight with Demir Izmagalov and Kudeladze? Yes. And, like, I'm sitting there watching this fight. Like, I couldn't tell who won. I'm like, one guy won the first round, the other guy won the second round,

and then at the end they were just going tooth and nail, and they were just fighting their heart out. Yeah. And then they ended up giving it to Izmagalov, and I was like, man, that sucks for Kudeladze. Yeah. Because he gets half his money. Yeah.

Half his money and it's just a toss up. Yeah. There's a lot of those fights. A lot of those fights. I mean, they do it for the incentive, but I don't think it really- It doesn't incentivize anybody to fight harder. I don't think it does. Listen, when you're in there, you're going to fight fucking hard.

It's your fucking health. Yeah, for sure. You don't want to does. Listen, when you're in there, you're going to fight fucking hard. It's your fucking health at its best. Yeah, for sure. You don't want to get your ass kicked. What do you guys feel about, you know, I was having a conversation with Josh Barnett about this, about dehydration and losing your chin and the dangers of dehydration and then massive weight cuts in the age of no IVs. Because if you saw it, you can't use an IV. And, I mean, how much do you think, how much of an impact is that it's a giant impact right I think so I

think yeah for sure like I'm not sure yeah like when these guys cut too much weight I always think like they feel like it's gonna give them an advantage but the fact that you are dehydrating yourself so much it's actually a disadvantage and does it dehydrates it's hard to rehydrate the brain. Is that true? Yeah, for sure. That's what they say. I mean, I'm not a doctor.

You're not a doctor? I thought you went to chiropractor school. Is that the case? Does it take longer? How long does it take to rehydrate the brain after severe hydration? Let's find that out. Because I think even with IV it takes a while yeah but these guys you see some of them on death's door if somebody looked like that normally and you're like I dude

you're fighting tomorrow for your life worst I ever saw was Travis Luter Travis Luter is fighting Anderson yeah he missed the weight dude his lips were cracked like dried out and cracked and he wasn't walking to the scale he was shuffling to the scale oh I mean shuffling and he missed weight still I mean he was on death's door and he got that opportunity be from being on the show with us and he he dominated the first round imagine if that guy goes in there healthy and finishes him maybe there's no Andrews.

Yeah, man. No bullshit. Travis Lute has got really, really good jiu-jitsu. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And he had so much talent, but he's funny. Some guys maybe are too smart. We were in the house with him, and I remember, listen, man, you know I like to eat, so I'm eating fucking raisins.

You think I want to eat raisins? He's eating M&Ms and shit. Yeah. Now, he's the fucking smart one, right? And he's going, I go, dude, how you doing that? He's like, you're eating raisins. Sugar, sugar. I go, no, dude, I don't think so.

I go, listen, I ain't no fucking brain surgeon here, but I don't think sugar, sugar, bro. Trust me. I mean, otherwise. Raisins come with fiber. He's like, sugar, sugar. It's slower to digest into your body. That's just fact. He's just telling me sugar, sugar. I go, I don Raising his cup with fiber. He's like, ah, sugar, sugar. It's slower to digest into your body. That's just fact. He's just telling me sugar, sugar.

I go, I don't know about that. Do you know who he says is the most talented guy he's ever worked with? Who? Kevin Holland. Really? Yeah. Really? Travis Luthor says Kevin Holland is the most talented guy.

Oh, yeah, as far as his students, yeah. Kevin Holland's talented as fuck. Yeah. When he puts it together, he's got crazy power. Yeah, I know. The long whip Tommy Hearns style power. I know, yeah. Bam! When he knocked out Buckley, that straight right. Oh, I know. Long whip Tommy Hearns style power. I know, yeah. Bam!

When he knocked out Buckley, that straight right. Oh, yeah. That was nice. Woo! He just seemed like he don't take his career seriously. I think he does. I think he struggles with real strong wrestlers. I think he struggles with Hamzat.

But then they made that crazy agreement to just have a kickboxing fight with Wonderboy. Do you understand what you're saying? Are you stupid? I know you see him in MMA when dudes are trying to take him down. But if you don't give any threat to Wonderboy that you're going to get taken down, and Wonderboy gets to do that karate shit on you, that's a fucking nightmare. I know. That guy moves like a cobra.

Even at 40 years old or however old he is now, Wonderboy is fucking terrified. He still kept it competitive, too. Fuck yeah. They're starting to get him down now, but how awesome is Wonderboy and how awesome is his sidekick? That's such an underused. Oh, I know. Oh, yeah.

I love the goddamn sidekick. I like it defensively, offensively. I mean, he has the best sidekick I've ever seen in MMA. Yeah, no doubt. You know, he slides into it. Yeah. He lifts that leg up and slides in off the back foot.

It's total point karate style. It's perfect. But it's amazing that no one else uses it like that. It takes a long time to develop that. It's so crazy. It's also you have to be taught to do it correctly. A lot of guys do it incorrectly and it just doesn't have any pop to it. So they can't keep a guy off. Like Jon Jones

does it correctly. Yeah. He fucks up dudes' knees with that shit, too. Remember he dropped Vitor to the body with a front leg sidekick? Yeah, yeah. Remember that? I do remember that. Yeah.

That was after Vitor almost broke his arm in half, right? Vitor got so close to tapping Jon Jones, any other human being other than Jon probably would have fucking tapped. And Jon's brother, one of his brothers, played for the Ravens at that time. And he was at the game the next day. And he was slinged up. He was slinged up for a long time. Remember, he was supposed to fight Chael Sonnen.

And they went through the, he agreed to do the ultimate fighter because he really couldn't train. So he did that whole thing with Chael Sonnen, let it heal, and then beat the fuck out of Chael. And then broke his toe. Oh, yeah. His toe was like hanging upside down. His toe was upside down. And he didn't realize it until I was interviewing him. Then he looked at his toes like. Oh, yeah. His toe was upside down. Yeah, yeah, yeah. His toe was upside down, and he didn't realize it until I was interviewing him. Then he looked down at his toes like, oh, no.

And then he sits down, and he was kind of going into shock, and he sat down. Look at his toe. Bro, his toe was turned upside down. So nasty. Look at that thing. Oh, my God.

So to this day, you know, he has to tape his toes up on that foot Yeah, and there was an issue Yeah, see so he tapes those toes up like that and they told him to take the stuff off below the toes That little piggies into the hospital I can't fight unless I can tape these toes up. Yeah while to think that literally the goat has a problem with one of his feet.

Just one toe. Yeah, his toe. He finished feet with Americana, right? Yes, he did. Yeah. Yes, he did. And I remember there was one of my... Let's find that armbar.

Find that armbar. It's crazy. Yeah, the armbar, and then he finished with an Americana. Both basic, fundamental stuff. I remember one of the kids at the school was like, oh, well, he's just a black belt. He gets finished with an Americana.

I feel like saying, dude, what the fuck? Because you haven't got caught in Americana in class lately? You're fighting in a cage, you fucking idiot. These guys think that. So here it is. He gets him down. And people wish to sleep on feet towards jiu-jitsu, bro. Look at this.

Look how tight this is. That's awesome. I mean, that is fucking tight, man. And it gets extended. I mean, it is fucking extended here. Look at this. Ay-ya-ya. Now he's out.

That's good he's not in that quick tap club. So he got out. Let's take a look at that again. Let me see that again. Is there any way we can see the Americana to him? So do it before that. Because when he was on the ground initially, it was when it was the deepest.

So he takes him down. I love it. And watch when he was on the ground initially was when it was the deepest so he takes him down I love it because he see and watch the extension watch the extension like look at this Baby that is so deep look he got out of it though. We forced it out. I wonder if he would have kept his heels Hindsight knows man. I mean it was tight It was tight as fuck and then here is now he's out now He's got the elbow out out but and then you know John starts fucking him up yeah

and there's a sidekick to the body so he hits him with that oh and he just drops him boom yeah and that sidekick to the knee

is so good man it's so nasty he cut right through his guard oh right through like butter there you go there's that crucifix

position again well John's a much bigger guy, too. Vitor really is a, there it is. Vitor really is, you know, much better suited frame-wise to the 185-pound division. It's funny, that whole TRT. He took that fight on short notice, too, right? Yeah, yeah. That was a fight where he was fighting at 85.

Speaking of TRT, I have a question. I don't know if any of you know the answer to it. Conor's supposed to be coming back to fight Chandler. Maybe it's not happening. Why, if a fighter is out of the testing pool, does he have to wait six months? Because they have to make sure that you're not – it's really not that scientific. I mean, if he was clean for a month or two months, that's not enough? Why is the number six?

Well, here's the thing. It's like it's in your face. It's in your face why this is happening. That's 100%. This is in your face. It's in enough? Why is the number six? Well, here's the thing. It's in your face. It's in your face why this is happening. That's 100%. This is in your face. It's in your face. And we're letting it slide because he's got an injury that he has to recover from. Right.

Agreed. There's no other reason why you wouldn't be, unless it's cocaine. Right. Unless there's something else you're worried about getting tested positive for, which they do test, which is kind of wild. Right. Kind of wild that they test for that. Like, that ain't helping nobody.

Right. Unless you're Aaron Pryor. Remember that? Oh, yeah. Yeah, Aaron Pryor. Alexis Arguello. Yeah, Alexis Arguello. They gave him Coke in the corner.

Yeah, yeah. Rest in peace to Panama Lewis. Yeah, Panama Lewis. I used to train with that guy. Did you really? Yeah. Was this before or after the Louis Resto fight? Oh, this was after.

Remember the Louis Resto fight? That poor guy's face. Yeah. He was coaching Louis Resto, and he took all the padding out of the gloves. He was fighting, what was the kid's name? Billy Costello Jr.? I can't remember. He wrecked that kid forever.

He wrecked his fate, and then the kid wound up committing suicide. And they wouldn't let Panama work anymore. They wouldn't let him get a license. Is that the guy with the plaster and the thing? Or is that something different? No, no, no. That was different. Now you're talking about Margarita. Yeah, Margarita.

What are you talking about? Billy Collins. Yeah, so it's Billy Collins versus Louis Resto. So Billy Collins was this up-and-coming, real promising young kid. And Louis Resto was not like a big puncher. That's why it was so crazy that he was busting him up. And Louis Resto has no padding in his gloves. So every time he's hitting him,

he's just hitting him with bare knuckle. Original bare knuckle. Taped bare knuckles, too. And Billy Collins is so confused. I mean, he was getting battered in that fight. And he was saying, look at his head. His head's all lumped up. Look at his face.

And what happened to this kid? lost his vision his vision was fucked up And he wound up becoming an alcoholic and I think he died by suicide in a car accident Sad yeah, I mean look at his face I mean his face is like unbelievably swollen and everyone was really confused because Louis Resto was not that big of a puncher and then his dad confused because Louis Resto was not that big of a puncher. And then his dad went over after the fight and grabbed Louis' gloves and he felt

the gloves and he felt the knuckle straight through the glove and he knew there was no padding in there. See? His dad right there is grabbing him. See that? See? He's grabbing the gloves. Wait a minute. Look at that. He's like, look. He's got no padding in his gloves. He's pushing straight through. Yo, that's some cheap shit.

That's so evil. Oh, you should see that guy's face a couple days later. Yeah, that's some cheap shit. So what happened with this? That's so evil. That's so evil. Oh, you should see that guy's face a couple days later. Yeah, his eyes were swollen up. I mean, he wound up losing his vision. That's sad. So Panama Lewis. There he goes right there with the red shirt.

Some dirt bag. Panama Lewis wound up getting kicked out. But he did work with Tyson. Like, as like a sort of like non-corner man role back in the day. Well, I mean, he used to just hang out in the gyms. Yeah. Yeah, so like that was what he. That's so evil, man. Before he passed away, he just hung out in the gyms. Look, his dad's over in their corner in the day. I mean, he used to just hang out in the gyms. Yeah. Yeah, so that was what he... That's so evil, man.

Before he passed away, he just hung out in the gyms. His dad's over in their corner all the time. Bro, that's so evil. That's so evil. I still think that boxing's a way tougher sport for you as far as your health than MMA. I do. A hundred percent.

Yeah, I think so, too. Yeah, it's hard, man. Just the head trauma. Yeah. It's, you know, I mean, these guys, they spar hard, too. It's the head trauma. Yeah. It's, you know, I mean, these guys, they spar hard, too. They spar hard. I know.

You watch some of the Javante Davis sparring sessions. Oh, my God. He's going to war. Yeah. He's going to war and spar. Or like at Mayweather's, I heard they would just do like these sparring sessions where they don't put time on. They just let guys just go at it. Just duke it out.

They jump them into the gym, basically. Jesus. Yeah. I mean, look at it. Just duke it out. They jump him into the gym, basically. Jesus. Yeah. I mean, look at this. Gervonta Davis is such a weird talent. So different than any other boxer in terms of, like, the economy. Like, that guy throws so few punches, and everyone he hits you with is so dangerous. Counts.

But it's so interesting to watch him in the beginning of fights where guys try to get a lead on him. Yeah. And he's just kind of measuring you up, measuring you up. And you're trying real hard to beat him. And he's just kind of measuring you up, measuring you up. And they just bang. And the movement.

God damn. He closes that distance so fast. And throws that left uppercut. Yeah. So fast. It's so ferocious. Yeah. His straight left, the one that he knocked down Davis with, the first one.

Oh my God. Or Ryan Garcia, rather. The one he knocked down Ryan Garcia with. That first left hand he dropped him with. And then the one to the body. Dude, he's so talented. He's so good. Such a good time for boxing.

It is. Like right now, like boxing is probably, just every time we think boxing's on its last leg, man, they put together a big fight to keep it alive. I mean, I do believe him and Garcia being like finally two guys in their prime out of having a big fight. Now you're seeing Crawford and Spence are going at it. That's the big one. That's the big one.

That's what I never, I thought they'd fight like Pat Gale and Mayweather. You thought that was never going to happen. It'd be too late. But I think they're starting to jumpstart it. Hey, let's start fighting each other. Well, that is such a big fight, too. I mean, that's going to get over the casuals. Everybody's going to want to see that fight. That's a big, big fight. I got to shout out Tank Baltimore.

Tank's from Baltimore. Got on his back. He literally was Baltimore on his back he literally was on his back yeah shit man I can't watch anything but MMA though really

yeah John knows I've been at John's place I do seminars at his place and the next day is the Super Bowl I don't even know

who the fuck's in it he's like hey Pee Wee you want some pizza yeah give me pizza you got any video games around here right that's hilarious he's a movie buff movie budget he's got movies for me Want some pizza? Yeah, give me pizza. You got any video games around here? Right.

That's hilarious. He's a movie buff. Movie budget. He's got to have movies for him. Movies and pizza. You know what I have back at the hotel? I brought my Oculus Quest. I bring it with me everywhere.

Oh, yeah? Really? I bring it with me to Vegas. I love Population One. What is that? Oh, it's a... Look at you go. I love it.

It's a fucking... It's a shooter. So it a it's a it's a shooter So it's like with me and I got a squad of three You got so excited I love this I live in here I fucking live in here are you serious? Oh, it's fun. No Joe It's is it is it? But it's fun. So you're in this first. Oh my God, this is amazing. It is so much fun, dude. It's like, now it's free, so you got a bunch of new kids in there. But it's like a lot of adults play.

I play with my brother-in-law, Edwin, and we fuck. You know who else I play with? Who? King Casey. Oh, really? Casey, Kevin. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I haven't played with him in a little bit, but I play with him on there.

He's another super talented Jiu-Jitsu guy. And also, you know what's so funny? I was in here the other day. I saw Fowler BJJ. And they go, hey. Mike? I go, you know Mike? He goes, wait, Sarah, that's you.

So it's Mike Fowler. He's in Hawaii. So I play with Mike Fowler. He's in Hawaii. So me and Mike, we're playing. Nerds. Oh, we're nerds. We are.

Oh, yeah, you got to see. My wife comes up. Every time I'm playing, shes. Oh, we're nerds. We are. Oh, yeah. You got to see. My wife comes. Every time I'm playing, she'll fucking. I'll be in there. I'll be like, I'm going to snipe. And my wife comes and she hits my fucking balls. She goes, you think you're getting some later.

Audio's all the favor. It's all I like to do. We were talking about it earlier with him in the video games. I'm talking way back in the day. Oh, wait, here I am. Look at you go. That was the vibe. I upgraded since then. Niagara Grappling Tournament.

That's me in my living room. What are you doing here? Well, that's what I'm climbing and stuff. You're climbing? You're climbing? This is not nearly as fun. Now I got my... I'm flying now. You're climbing. This is not nearly as fun. Now I got my... Hey, I'm flying now.

I'm flying. There I am. Oh, my God. But it's... Listen, I know it looks really special. No, no. We have those. You know what's great?

The fucking shadow boxing game. The boxing game. That's hard. It's good. It's hard. It's good work, too. It is good work. You wear out.

It's the future, man. I fucking can't wait. One of my favorite movies is Ready Player One, and I listened to the audio book a little, too. It's a great fucking movie. It's a great movie. It's a good movie for your kids. Oh, I've seen it. Oh, Jamie, before I forget, they got a Taekwondo version of this now.

So they're doing kicks now. Wow. Yeah, they figured out how to put it. There was this something. See if you could find it There was something they just demonstrated So they put these leg things on people and a guy and a girl were having like a spar and act virtually So they like bowed each other shook hands and they went to the opposite side of the room and they put their headgear on

And they started having this like taekwondo match. No way. Yeah Thinking like as this gets more sophisticated they could do a Muay Thai version. I mean, you really couldn't do a jiu-jitsu version, obviously, but I think you could do a Muay Thai version. When it gets better, I think – Dude, I mean, listen. I like that my – even though I got a new battery pack, I can go longer. But I like that it wears off. I like that it wears off.

Yeah, there it is. This isn't new, though. Well, I mean, I just saw it. I know Yeah, there it is. This isn't new, though. Well, I mean, I just saw it. I know that, so I was just- Oh, it's from 2021? But see if you can find a video of it, because the video I just saw yesterday for the first time. I think that's it right there.

It's fun, man. I mean, it's so much fun. Is this someone watching it? Oh, is this somebody watching it? So here it is. Yeah. I mean- So these people were like-

Yeah, here it is. So see, they Sensors on their legs And their shins And stuff like that You know I used to be A regular Cause you know The Call of Duty

And the Halo I used to play That kind of stuff But this would really Be good Like training practice For sure Better than shadow boxing

For sure Because you could do The same kind of stuff That you could do With shadow boxing But you could do it Against kind of stuff that you could do with shadow boxing, but you could do it against an opponent with no consequences. It's not good to develop defense, but in terms of

developing technique, it sounds like a really fucking good idea. It's a cardio workout too. Oh, you can get a workout with that. My wife went through a couple of them. She used to do the boxing one with the workout where you're punching the glowing balls type of shit. And she went through two fucking headsets and got drenched.

It seems like you could take some things if you wanted to do Muay Thai where you put on some things that just go down the side of your leg and it attaches to your ankle and attaches to where your knee is. So it knows where your knees are going and it knows where your ankles are going and it knows where you're getting hit. But then you'd have to do it too for your elbows too if you

were throwing elbows. Yeah, you'd have to do it on your elbows and you know maybe you could even go on your oh this is getting ready for mma oh my god oh interesting this guy's got a giant look at his wearing that's not really oh that's so weird but it's also it's like you know you need a at least a dummy down there you know you'd want to do that with a dummy but you know you know you'll be seeing something do that with a dummy. But, you know, it's not going to resist. You'll be seeing something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, but you want to feel it, right?

You're just doing this in the air. It's kind of weird. Yeah, it might be weird. But the striking in the air is legit. I think you really could learn some shit from that. I didn't play the Creed one. They got some stuff. But as far as shooters, the Population one, I'm not talking to you.

I'm talking to them. Hey, you fucker. Don't try to put me in a locker, you cocksucker. but as far as shooters the population one I'm not talking to you I'm talking to that real addiction to quake what is quake quake is an online yeah very similar first-person shooter you're running around shooting rockets at people it's too addictive he was a halo King back in the day. I used to love games. They would travel with that PlayStation. I did. But once I did this one time, I started with the Vive, and then now the Oculus. I can't talk to you guys. People out here are listening. They want to know about this. Listen, it keeps me out of trouble, okay? I bring it with me everywhere.

I put it in my carry-on, and it's so much fucking fun. I can't go back to regular video games after doing the Oculus Quest. Because it's very immersive. Well, that's why I don't do it because I have one too and I used to play the little zombie game. And I mean, it was too fun.

So I was like, I can't do this. Listen, man, I get some dopamine, man. I'm like fucking yelling. The worst was during the, like fucking my kids were doing the zoom right and they were at home doing it now they're homeschooled still and you're in the background oh it was bad

and I'm like I don't fucking see him I'm like I don't fucking see him where is he my wife comes in and she's like they hear you I'm like sorry oh my god you know but uh it is a lot of fun They hear you. Oh, my God. I'm like, sorry. Oh, my God. But it is a lot of fun.

Imagine being that teacher. Shoot him. Shoot him. Shoot him in the background. You'd be sending people to my house. Yeah. Jesus Christ. No, but it's just, listen, good, clean fun.

Back in the day, people would probably get the same kind of thrill doing it. I mean, listen, I'm not shitting on paintball and shit like that. But, dude, I get my adrenaline up with this shit. All right, let's switch the subject. Everybody's just fucking saying, wow, he had us. Hey, let me ask you guys, what do you think about this upcoming Yair Rodriguez-Volkanovski fight? That's a wild fight. You know, obviously, Volkanovski's going to be the big favorite.

He's the big favorite. But Yair got that danger factor, man. Like a couple body kicks to slow down Volkanovski. And it comes from everywhere. Yeah. It's hard to go against Volkanovski just because of what this guy. I mean, I thought he beat Islam, too. And Max, I thought, would retire at that weight class.

And he beat him three times not once and the last time was very that's what made me a true believer the third one the last one I mean he just keeps getting better yeah I mean that's what you saw in the Islam fight too he just keeps getting better he's not even in his prime I mean he's in his prime but I don't think he's at his full potential

yet I was there live the second Max fight I remember thinking Max won I thought he won the second super close but since then I feel he's up to his level Yeah, he's got pulled away. He's pulled away and you know, but I hear Rodriguez is one of the most exciting guys He does wild shit man. He does and it's so oh everything with the Korean zombie cheese It's just so hard to deal with those kicks, and he keeps getting better. When he submitted Josh in that last fight, I was like, wow. Yeah, he looked amazing.

Wow. He looked so good on the feet, too, even before that. It's hard to pick against Volkanovski. But ultimately, I think Volkanovski, I think his ground and pound is underrated. Underrated, yeah. It's underrated. It's phenomenal. Everything he does is phenomenal.

Yeah, he's underrated totally. Everything he does. I mean, I think he still should be the pound for pound best. Because if you look at it, I mean, he did go up a weight class and arguably, in many people's eyes, should have got the nod. But at the very least, it was as close to a draw as you're going to get in like a world championship fight. And then he went up. He went up in weight class. Isn't that what pound for pound is all about?

Yeah. So I feel like, you know, I mean, it was an amazing fight all around, but I feel like that's the pound for pound. I'm wondering if his performance against Islam will make other fighters now, he's not so invincible anymore. Perhaps. So maybe you don't go in with that mystique and maybe somebody else goes in there and shows he's human. That squeeze is out of this world. Sometimes those smaller guys are harder to finish than even bigger guys. Stop trying to take off for short people.

I'm telling you. I remember the first time you walked into the academy like the fucking creature from the deep. And I'm going to Henzo. Put me with him. Put me with him. Dude, my first day, he pulled you off teaching so you could help me with my private. That was at the old karate school. And we've been buddies ever since.

100%. 100%. He's my man. It's fucking great. That was at 25th Street. Yes. Yeah. Let me see the rest of that card, Jamie. Who else is on?

Pantoja's fighting Brandon Moreno. That's Street. Yes. Yeah. Let me see the rest of that card, Jamie. Who else is on? Pantoja's fighting Brandon Moreno. That's an awesome fight. Yeah. But Whitaker and Duplessis. That's interesting. I thought they were going to go straight Duplessis to Izzy, considering that Izzy's beat Robert Whitaker twice. A couple times.

And then Duplessis and him have a problem with each other. Yeah, the Battle of Africa. Yeah. Yeah, they should have made that fight. And that's the... I thought they would have. Yeah. It was interesting. But I get it.

If you can get past Whitaker, goddamn, Whitaker's good. Whitaker's very good. I think he's something like 12-0 as a middleweight against anybody not named out of soccer. Yeah, somebody wrote that. Turner, he's a stud, too. Yeah, Jalen Turner's going to beat up Dan Hooker. I'm sorry. I think so, too.

Jalen Turner is coming into his own, right? Bo Nickel, always love to see the wrestlers out there. He's a special talent. Bo Nickel fighting another black guy who can't wrestle. You got to build him up. You got to build him up. Do you know the guy he's fighting? Do you know the guy he's fighting?

I don't know. First of all, is this his first time in the UFC? No, he was on a contender series. I mean, in defense of Bo, he's new. You know what I mean? You can't just throw him to the dogs right away. And you'll see, I think, another kid out of Penn State, Roman Bravo Young. Yeah.

He'll wind up checking in the MMA. I think Treshawn Gore was on the Ultimate Fighter, I think. Go back to that, that, I'm sorry, the, the rest of the card again.

Robbie Lawler. Robbie Lawler. That's a fun fight right there. Robbie Lawler and, oh, how about this one? Sean Brady and Jack Della Maddalena. That's a crazy fight.

That Della Maddalena guy is a motherfucker, dude. He's good. He mixes it up so well to the body. His shots, the body and the head, he's so good at digging under and creating opportunities. He's a nasty striker. Yeah. I've been working with Sean a little bit. I've been going out to Philly working with Sean.

Oh, have you? Yeah. He's good, Sean Brady, really good. He's very good. He only has the one loss, right, to Philly working with Sean Brady. Yeah? Oh, have you? Yeah. He's good, Sean Brady. Really good. He's very good. He only has the one loss, right? To Muhammad. Yeah, Bilal. And, you know, Bilal is on a roll right now.

I mean, Bilal's really coming into his own. He's such a nice guy, Bilal. He's a great guy. He won't even swear. He would say, what the fudge? Like on the podcast. For him. He wouldn't swear?

No, he doesn't swear. Damn. Go back to the rest of the cards? That's the way we all should be. You guys are going to owe Dan Hooker an apology if he wins. I will. I will. No, no, no.

If he wins, I'll give him an apology. You're going to owe Dan Hooker an apology if he wins. Go back to the main card. Oh, Jalen Turner, Dan Hooker. Dan Hooker is one of those guys that was so close, right? Think about when he had that fight with Dustin Poirier. Yeah. Down to the wire.

Yeah. Down to the wire. So close. I don't want to take anything away from him, but I think Jalen Turner, especially after losing his last fight, I think that taught him a lot. Sure and sure. Yeah. Who did he lose to in his last fight?

Mateus Gamrot. Oh, that's right. And he had him in trouble. He had him in trouble. Yes, he did. You know what I'm saying? Mateus Gamrot him a lot. Sure and sure. Yeah. Who did he lose to in his last fight? Mateus Gamrot. Oh, that's right. And he had him in trouble. He had him in trouble. Yeah, he did. You know what I'm saying? Mateus Gamrot's a motherfucker. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

That dude's game. Yeah. That guy is game. You know who has a win over Jalen is Matt's theme role of Avola. Oh, he does. He does. I'm just giving him a shout out because he's our guy. But he's fucking kidding.

He's an exciting motherfucker, Matty. Jesus Christ. Matty's so exciting. Very exciting. And he's one of those guys that, I mean, Jesus Christ. Matty's so exciting. Very exciting. And he's one of those guys that, I mean, every one of his fights is fucking amazing. His fight versus the Tarantulas. How about the Dober knockout? Yeah, I mean, I probably should give him an apology for him knocking out Dober because I didn't think that was going to happen.

Bro, he's no joke. Listen, he's got the balls to pull the trigger. Yeah, he's very game. He's very gung-ho. Very game. And he's very powerful yeah and uh he's another sweetheart of a guy great guy great guy he knew my friend dave dolan we had a mutual friend who was like the funniest guy i ever met in my life he was my boss at one point in time

i was a private investigator's assistant when i was 21 and uh really it was my friend dave lost his driver's license drinking and driving. He needed someone to drive him. So I drove with him until he got his driver's license back. So I'd have to pick him up and take him to like people's houses when they were doing insurance fraud and shit. It was mostly like he was a private investigator investigating like, you know, mostly fraud. But occasionally there was some like chick who was cheating on the guy and that kind

of stuff. So I met this guy, Dave Dolan, who's like the fucking funniest guy I've ever met in my life, who never wanted to do stand-up comedy. And he told me about this Matt Frivola guy. He goes, you got to look out for my boy, Matt Frivola. He's a fucking goer. And I remember the first time I met Frivolo, we talked about this guy. He wound up dying.

Oh, no. Yeah, it was sad. It was sad. But a fucking amazing person. Just like there's some dudes, you know how there's some dudes in the early days of training who are like, they're so talented. Like, boy, this guy could be a world champion. And then they just drift off.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That dude was so fucking funny. He just drifted off, huh? He just never wanted that dude was so fucking funny like when I drifted off I just never wanted to do comedy and his cousin owned the comedy connection in Boston. It was crazy Yeah Talent without fucking what do they say that wasted talent is fucking there's a saying somewhere with it There's nothing worse than wasted talent. I don't know.

It's like that with fighting, too, though. Oh, for sure. Guys might have the skills, but they don't got the fucking dedication, or else, you know, it doesn't happen overnight, either. Some guys say, fuck it, I'll get a real job.

And we were talking about that last night, how you have so many of these guys in the gym that are straight-up killers, like beating guys you see on TV, but when you put the lights on it's tough. That's gym fight that's academy fight. There's also guys that get like one injury and they

never recover from it. One thing goes wrong and they just never snap back. You know there's like certain things that just compromise your movement like a neck thing or a back thing they get it operated on they're never the same like Kane's a good example of that right? Like Kane Velasquez his body just started failing on him like a neck thing or a back thing. They get it operated on, they're never the same. Like Kane's a good example of that, right?

Like Kane Velasquez, his body just started failing on him. His shoulders started going, knees started going. Remember, he was always injured. King Moe, that happened to King Moe, too. King Moe was a killer. As soon as he started getting injured, like his knees went. Remember he knocked out Hodger? Yeah, knocked out Hodger.

He knocked out Yuri. Yeah. Prohoshka. Yeah. Is Kane going toger. He knocked out Uri. Yeah. Prohaska. Yeah. Is Kane going to be, is he out of trouble with all that stuff? I'm sure he's got to go through some stuff. Who knows? I felt so bad for him. The whole thing is so evil that the guy who did that was out on the street.

Sometimes the world just seems backwards lately with a lot of things, you know? You think of stuff like that. It's nice to see Kane coaching. I know that's nice aka yeah i mean i don't know what the legal status is but it's a horrible horrible horrible story yeah you can't blame him at all no it's every what every father says they would do every father says they would do that he just went out and actually did it and he lost his mind and he's such a soft-spoken guy yeah like you know you know what i'm saying yeah he's the nicest fucking guy other than that yeah you know yeah when he was in his prime dude before he was injured god damn he was a force of nature man the beat down he put on jds oh the cardio he had for that's what's crazy

and for a guy with a wrestler base, his stand-up was legit. You know what I mean? And no wasted motion. It wasn't like big haymaker punches. Everything was clean and crisp and coming in combinations.

When he knocked out Minotauro, it was just bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing. It was like, woof, Cain Velasquez in his prime was a motherfucker. That's like one of the

great missed opportunities. Cain in his prime versus Fedor in his prime It was real yes, yes real close up everywhere exactly that guy retina to Fedor I don't know if he did. I think he fought again recently, right? I think he did he won his list. No I didn't know again. He definitely lost what is wrong? Was it was it would be? Yeah, I think it was right Bader KO them and then Bader? Did Bader beat him? I think you're right, man. Bader KO'd him, and then did Bader just beat him again? I think Bader beat him again.

I think he beat him again. I don't... Yeah, I mean, it's... What's he keep running out there for? He's got nothing to prove. I think maybe he likes it. I think some guys have a trouble transitioning to the other part of their life. TKO.

230 round one. You just don't... Thank God I left the sport in my chin. Some guys, they leave that sport, they leave the chin in there with them. Look at what happened to your jaw, that one tough man fight. Now imagine the fights that Fedor's had. Imagine those Crow Cop fights. Imagine Crow

Cop danging you in the chin over and over again. Imagine all those fights he had. Bigfoot. And it seems once that button gets pushed, it's easier to push it. But I tell you what, though. When Fedor was in his prime, I was with Jeff Munson in Russia when Fedor fought him. And I remember Jeff Munson walking out that tunnel, and it looked like a man was walking

to his execution. Oh, my God. And he beat the hell out of Jeff Munson. He broke his femur. Oh, Jesus. Yeah. It was the worst beating. Yeah. It was the worst beating I've ever seen a human being take. Oh, let me see that.

That's pretty crazy. Oh, my God. He broke his femur. Jeff couldn't walk after that. He beat the hell out of Jeff Munson. Oh, I remember that. I remember being horrific. I didn't know he broke his femur, though.

This was Fedor in his prime, man. And what was this for? What organization was this for? I don't even remember. M1. Oh, M1. Yeah. So this was right around the time where they were negotiating with Fedor to come to the UFC.

Because Fedor and his representatives met with the UFC at one point in time, and many points in time. And his representatives met with the UFC at one point in time and, like, many points in time. And there was, like, some real heated discussions, and it became a bit of an issue. Like, this is Fedor in his prime. God damn, he looked good. How tough is Munson, though? He just eats it. He's shooting and pulling guard.

I mean, is Munson still doing it? Fedor's just teeing off on him. I mean, he lives in Russia now, right? Oh, my God. Goddamn, Munson could take a shot. I mean, look, he's built like a tank. For real. But the fucking shots he's eating from arguably the heavyweight goat.

Oh, man. I mean, other than Jon Jones, I would have loved to see Fedor versus Jon Jones. But other than Jon Jones. Imagine if Fedor fought 205 where he belonged. This guy was fighting heavyweights. No shit, right? I don't think he believes in cutting too much weight. Yeah.

Well, I think that probably also led to his durability. Yeah. You know? He showed up hydrated and healthy. Fedor was crazy durable. I mean, when he walked down Krokop in that fight, I was like, this is crazy. Like, this guy is, you know, you've known him as a Sambo guy. And here he is. He's walking down one of the greatest kickboxers that's ever competed in MMA.

That's how talented that guy was. He got a little belly, too. Oh, yeah. Always had a belly. Had the dad bod going. Always had that body. I mean, never was ripped, ever. Crazy. Didn't matter a little bit mean, never was ripped, ever. Crazy.

Didn't matter a little bit either what he looked like. He was a bad motherfucker, dude. Those Minotauro fights. When he stopped Minotauro. Those were horrific. He got his half guard. That's when Minotauro was really crushing. Just dropping bombs on Minotauro.

You're like, oh my God. What about he hit Orlovsky out of the air? Oh, yeah. He tried to fly. He slept him in the air. And you know what's fucked up about that? Orlovsky was winning. Winning.

He was doing good. Everybody forgets how good Orlovsky was in his prime. Dude, Freddie Roach said he could have been a very good professional boxer if he had a chin. Well, remember when Fedor knocked out Tim Sylvia, too? Oh, yeah. What was that for? That was affliction. Affliction, yeah. I think this was affliction, too. Yeah, look.

The Logan's on the ground. Ray Mercer knocked out Tim Sylvia. Remember that? Arlovsky was dangerous, man. Look at this. And he got crazy here boom trying to fly in

flying man that's a laces out moment couldn't take the shot crazy because he was winning that fight up into that moment 100% I mean who knows

what could have happened if he had kept that going he just clipped I mean he ran right into it dude it's crazy the amount of power in that I wonder how much fucking nair he uses

he fought back in the day when I was fighting and all Oski had a fucking straight sweater How does he get rid of that there was one other dude who fought in the UFC that on one time he had all the hair He put up left all his hair on his body. So oh Goddammit, he was a heavyweight. I forget his name, but it was crazy What do you do like get hair everywhere like all over his body like his body. God damn it. He was a heavyweight. I forget his name, but it was crazy. And what did he do? He had hair everywhere, like all over his body,

like his back and everything. Holy. Yeah, that's one dude, but that's not the dude. The dude was a heavyweight. I would have... Russian? No, American guy. I forget his name.

No, no, no, no, no. That's Gabriel Gonzaga. Gonzaga, pretty fucking hairy dude. That's the dude.. Gonzaga, pretty fucking hairy, too. That's the dude. Oh, man. Yeah. Dude, I'd rip that shit off and blow it in his face. God damn it, I forget his name.

I apologize. That's a lot of fucking names. He fought Stefan Struve. Go into Stefan Struve's Wikipedia and find out who it is. But dude had crazy hair. Like, ridiculous. Like, looked like a caveman. Yeah, you gotta manscape that hair. Like ridiculous. Like look like a caveman. Yeah, you got to manscape that bitch.

Or not. You like a caveman? Yeah, it was very intimidating. Yeah. You're looking at a dude who looks like he's- That's like a lion mane. You know what I'm saying?

Dude, Sean Alvarez, he looked like he was wearing a sweater. Good as that guy's built. I mean, he kept it shaved, but if he let that shit go, it was going to be a werewolf in the house. The scariest shit to me is hairy Russians. Yeah, man. See, hairy Russians,

they're just built different. They're stronger than most humans. So here it is. Let's see. This was quite a while ago. Back up a little bit. Back up. I'm back. I don't know which way to go. No, keep going down. Go down, because that's older. No, down. This is not the UFC,fc though oh it's not the ufc when does he start it starts that's where

it was right where we start ufc chase i don't know let's see go up dave herman that's it it's dave herman yeah so go now look up dave herman so So there you see him all shaved. Look. Looks like fucking, like an Adonis, right? There you go. Now look, Google Dave Herman hairy back. Oh, boy. Isn't that crazy? Like that dude, when he shaved it all, he looked fantastic. Like a male model.

But when he let it all grow out, only one time I think he did it. And it was like, what the fuck, dude? Yeah. Yeah, look at him. Holy. Yeah, like a wolf. Crazy. Damn. Yeah. It looks like a completely different dude. Yeah, look at him. Holy. Yeah, like a wolf. Crazy. Damn.

Yeah. It looks like a completely different dude. I know. Make that picture bigger, Jamie. That picture. That shit's ridiculous. Look at him. That's a hairy motherfucker.

Holy shit, man. That's a werewolf. Oh, my God. Was he the dude that said jujitsu didn't work? Yeah, that's him. And then he got on the box. Then he got dead. Oh, is that right?

Yeah. I think he was fucking around. Yeah. Playing the old mind games. Yeah, the's him. And then he got it. Oh, yeah, I think it was fucking around Plenty old mind games. Yeah That one is a mind game for you probably pisses you the fuck off right when he's a jujitsu doesn't work Oh, yeah, I'm glad he got all locked Submitted in that fight. I hate those shirts. Oh Sambo was easy. You'd be jujitsu in that fight. I hate those shirts.

Oh, if Sambo was easy, you'd be jujitsu. Shut the fuck up with that. Ask 1FC when all the world's Sambo champs are coming and fighting the jujitsu champs and it's not going the Sambo champs way at all.

In 1FC, right? Yeah. Oh, you mean for grappling matches? Straight grappling matches. Yeah. Oh, yeah. You know, but like for MMA, though, a lot of people make the argument

that combat Sambo style is probably even better with striking. You know what the problem is? Jiu-Jitsu is like now what Taekwondo was back in the day. And it just went in this different direction. So now it kind of went away from where we are in MMA. A competition direction. Right.

A competition direction. Even someone who just does a competition jiu-jitsu, let's say they never did any kind of distance management and stuff like that, they'll still strangle the fuck out of your average people. I agree. And they'll still be able to defend themselves. It's still better than the majority of fucking other arts out there.

And it really depends on which kind of competitors you're talking about. Because if you're talking about like Mikey Musumechi, like that little motherfucker is an assassin. Yeah. He's coming to close the show on you. He's not trying to win on points. Right. you're talking about. Because if you're talking about like Mikey Musumechi, like that little motherfucker is an assassin. He's coming to close the show on you. He's not trying to win on points. Right.

That dude is always trying to close the show. He's a savage. He's a spooky kid. Yeah. Because you're never going to catch up. He's like a great man of jujitsu. 100%. He's training 12 hours a day. Yeah.

Every fucking day and only eating once. Yeah. He's eating pizzas and pasta. I love that. He's amazing. It's amazing. They see that thing with the Sambo and them

saying that it's better for combat sports or mixed martial arts and stuff. When you look at the arts as a whole, you know, the wrestling, they can say the same thing for wrestling. But what if you meet a bigger wrestler? Like in other words,

the thing about J jujitsu is the self-defense aspect of it where what about the defense all right yeah like this fights were like carol for instance man i had nothing in a tank nothing i was so shot i gotta show a nice fucking arm lock escape i got to show a nice i don't know if they have similar defenses and escapes when i had zero in the tank i made it to. I ended up on top of him with an escape. And I'm talking about nothing in the tank. So jiu-jitsu served me not only as the hammer, but when I was being the fucking nail. And it stopped me from ever having to say uncle in there.

Where if I didn't have the defensive part of jiu-jitsu, the technique, not just the offensive part, you know, I would've been fucked. I would've tapped out. Can I ask you something right now? Are you rolling right now? Oh, 100%. What are you doing

with those claws? Look at those claws. You know what's funny about that? I would pull him inside a blade. You know what's funny about that?

I saw that shit this morning and I was gonna get this, go look for a nail clipper. How do you let him get that long? It grows quick, man. I'll never forget. I was going to get this, go look for a nail clipper. How do you let them get that long? It grows quick, man. I'll never forget.

I was with Bruce Buffer in Hawaii and he goes, I was asking, he's a little bit older, Bruce Buffer, and he was saying, oh, well, I think he said, he was talking about the hair. Because I do that too a lot. I'm always fucking trimming the nose hair and the fucking ear hair. As you get older older shit just comes out So yeah, Joe talking about their fucking fingernails. They grow normal speed I normally am better than this, but you know. That is true.

I got an infection once, some dudes pulling my hooks out. I haven't clawed anybody recently. Accidentally clawed me and it got infected. Oh, so now you probably have a nail phobia. You have like a radar with that shit. You see the fucking nails, you probably like stay away. That was another crazy thing about the Henzo gym was all the fucking staff So all the bass man. Is that right? Yeah, so much staff came out of that place. That's due to the people man

They gotta just take yeah, right? Take a shower clean gear whenever shits going down like that because I wash my mats after every session there's stuff go, hey, man, you guys, I see people leaving this place without showering. Now, I'm not following you home, but you better fucking shower when you get home. You should shower right away. You should shower there. We try to talk them into, like, look, try to shower here. Do you use defense soap?

Do you use defense soap? Yeah, defense soap is the shit. I haven't had a skin thing for a while, knock on wood. Do you take acidophilus or any probiotics or something like that? That's supposed to help. Say it again? Acidophilus, probiotics, any kind of probiotics. No, no, no, no.

Supposedly healthy skin. Snuffle up against none of that shit. No, skin. I don't fart around with it. He takes mozzarella. Well, you know, kimchi. Fermented things, like fermented sauerkraut, kimchi. It's all probiotics.

Yeah, I mean, the only thing I have is I drink the kombucha. Oh, that's good. That's fermented. I like that. I like that a lot. That's very good for you. That's very good for you. That's the same kind of thing.

I thought that would cure any of my stomach trouble, but no. I have a feeling if you tried carnivore diet, it'd probably help you a lot. I know it'd be hard for you with that obsession with Italian food, but if you tried it. Yeah, but he likes a lot of meat, too. It's all meat. Yeah, I could eat meat. It's all meat. It's all meat. Yeah, I could eat meat. It's all meat. It's all we ate last night.

We killed it. Where'd you guys go? Just hit Fog of the Chow. You and I have been to about 18 Fog of the Chows. I think so. I think so. That's the spot, man. All you can eat,

and they just keep coming by with meat. Let's fucking go. It's literally right next door to the hotel, so you couldn't go wrong. And you start eating the moment you sit down. Yeah. There's no waiting. Let's go.

The second, have you been here before she even finished her sentence? We turned that shit over to Green. We were the last people. They were cleaning, putting chairs on the floor. We were still there. I love those places, man. Oh, yeah. Brazilian Steakhouses is the shit. I wonder if

the Brazilian Steakhouses took a hit after the movie Bridesmaids Pretty funny there was a there was a part when for the the shower the what the girls She goes oh, let's go to this Brazilian place. Oh good call next to you know, who's Melissa? Who's the McCarthy? She's fucking hysterical yes she they run into the fucking thing she one of them goes into the fucking it's so shit's right in the sink she goes into the sink she's one of them is throwing up in the ball the other girl puts her ass in the sink she's shitting in the sink and she's like look away look away it was

fucking great but ever since then man uh i wonder if they took a hit with that. Because I always remember that fucking scene. It's disgusting. Some bad meat. But I do like that Fogo fucking place. I hadn't been there in a minute, so it was good to go there and smash it. You know where most people get food poisoning from?

Salad. Salad? Really? That's why we don't eat it. You make fun of me. Google that. Make sure that's true. No rabbit food.

I read that once. It might be bullshit. Let's make sure it's true. I'm allergic to everything green. Because someone told me it's like people that don't eat it. You make fun of me. Google that. Make sure that's true. No rabbit food. I read that once. It might be bullshit. Let's make sure it's true. I'm allergic to everything green. Because someone told me it's like people that don't wash their hands when they're handling salad. Yeah. And you get bacteria.

I mean, think about it. I mean, it's not cooked. Especially if you're not cleaning the leaves. Yeah. Someone told me that that's a- I think salad's fucking disgusting. I just don't like it. I'm not a good-

Survival food. Yeah. I used to eat broccoli when I was getting the 155. Fresh salads are another top source of food poisoning, but pinpointing the cause can be tricky. Some outbreaks are tied to a specific kind of greens, often romaine, lettuce, and spinach, or to certain growers or packers. Salmonella or other bacteria can be traced to dirty irrigation water, soil, or human

hands. Yeah. A lot of people get that shit. See? But I think they get it from a lot of other things, too. That's why you don't eat rabbit food. And then again, you know how many people get salmonella from eggs? I did not know this.

Moby was talking about it because, you know, Moby's a crazy vegan. Yeah. And he was talking about how he shouldn't eat eggs. Are you kidding me? Eggs are like the most karma-free food. Right. If you get pasture-raised eggs, those chickens are just eating bugs and grass, and then they lay their eggs.

And as long as there's no rooster, that's never going to be a chick. It's just food. I actually learned that here. I didn't know that they just laid eggs for a while. Bro, I didn't know until I had them. I felt so stupid. I was 40. I was like, this is how dumb I am.

I think every one of those. I'm like, how could it? I'm like, Jesus Christ, I know biology. In my mind, an egg leads to, they laid an egg, it must be, there it must be there's a chicken there no no it's just eggs they lay eggs every day they do yeah when you have healthy chickens especially when they're young they'll lay eggs almost every day i don't even need to fuck it what yeah i had 19 chickens at one point tom oh i was eating fresh eggs every day it was amazing i need to get some chickens. Yeah, I'm telling you. It's great. I did not know that. They just, you know, you give them chicken feed, but they also, they eat worms and they eat the fucking shit out of mice.

If they catch a mouse, they will fuck that mouse up. A chicken? Oh my God. That is crazy. You've never seen it? No. We've showed many people. Unfortunately, if you're watching this at home, you're going to have to watch it again.

Watch a cat is playing with this mouse and the cat is just letting him out and the chicken runs over Give me that bitch! Really? Steals the fucking mouse from the cat and the chicken fucks that mouse up. Watch this. So the cat's playing with it and the chicken's observing. It's like, bitch, you ain't even doing nothing. The chicken's like, give me that.

It just steals it from him. Damn! It eats it? Fucks up that mouse. Yeah, they eat them, man. They eat them. They eat them ferociously. We had a mouse in our chicken coop, and one chicken ran off with it, and the other ones are chasing her and trying to steal it from her mouth. Yeah, they're crazy. I saw a video of a deer eating a snake.

It was one of those type of... Deers eat... They eat birds all the time. Ground nesting birds. I get my education on here. I heard that one here as well. I was like, what? Yeah.

Yeah, eat the snake. There it is. There it is. What? Yeah, they'll eat snakes. They'll also eat ground nesting birds. They'll find birds that can't move good, and they'll eat them. Cows do that too sometimes.

There's videos of cows eating birds. But there was this bird net that they used to trap birds, like a specific kind of birds. Look at that. He's eating a bird. That fucking deer's just straight up eating a bird. I didn't know that. People don't know Bambi's a murderer. I thought they just ate goddamn leaves.

Most of the time they do. Most of the time they do. But if they have an opportunity to eat a little birdie, don't chew that fucker down. Survival of the fittest out there. My father-in--law Ciro. Oh, man. He makes the he's a hunter He makes me some the deal me the venison. Yeah That's my fucking favorite so good for you. Oh so delicious He makes it like it looks just like a veal cutlet like he breads it and it is so a people said I heard people say that it's like gamey or something. Not the way he makes it.

You got to know how to prepare it. Melts in my mouth, man. It's also how you butcher the animal in the field. Like a lot of times people don't know what they're doing. They'll get the glands. Like there's tarsal glands that are on these deer, especially when they're rutting, which is when you're hunting them. So they're emitting scent from their glands.

And if you get that scent on the meat it'll fuck the meat up i don't know what he does it's like it's like a fear right when they get no no it's their it's like their hormones like they're they're letting out scent for other deer they're trying to fuck they're trying to fuck and they're trying to fight so they're they're putting out this in their their glands a lot of times people will accidentally cut their glands when they're butchering the animal and that shit will get on the meat. And also, if you don't immediately cool the meat down, that's very important. Like right after you kill the animal, you have to butcher it and cool that meat down.

That meat can't sour. You don't want it outside being exposed to the heat. You want it in a cool, dry place. You want to get it on ice as quickly as possible. However he did it, he did it like that. Yeah, obviously he knows what he's doing. It's fucking delicious, man. Do you like it?

Do you like the meat? I love this. Yeah, I love it. I love the elk meat. I think it's my favorite meat. It's so good. It's so rich in protein, too. It's very, very good for you.

Oh, I feel powerful when I have it. I feel like John Rollo. The final boss. Yeah, it's great for you. But the problem with food is the shit that's the most delicious sometimes is not fucking good for you. Like lasagna. I think most of the time. All that noodles.

That noodle's not fucking so good for you. That amount of noodles. That ain't pasta. Ravioli, gnocchi, tortellini. Not so good for you. Stuffed shells, send it my way. Yeah. Yeah.

Listen, though. That was annoying. So good. You get fucking, and also I overeat with that the thing what I noticed about the carnivore diet is when I'm done I'm done like if I'm only eating steak I can only eat so much that I'm done But if there was like mashed potatoes or spaghetti Just me just me yeah, no greens or nothing nothing Shit man says I got a bad stomach, it don't bother

me so much. I think my ulcerative colitis helps keep my weight down. I don't think it's a good thing, but it is what it is. It keeps you from going crazy. Yeah, because otherwise I'll just eat too much. He's got natural semaglutide going on.

Natural semaglutide makes you sick. That's a wild thing, huh? Everybody's shooting up with this fucking diabetes drug to try to get skin. Really? Is that what's going on? Yeah, man. It kills your appetite and people drop weight without changing anything else.

You also lose a lot of bone mass. I believe you gotta lose muscle tissue, everything with it, because you're just not taking in nutrition, so the body's going to waste. Yeah, Peter Atiyah, who's a friend of mine who's a doctor, he said he won't prescribe it to anybody unless they're weight training. Like, you have to be weight training while you're doing it. Because you're losing. Because, like, when you're doing it, they showed that people are losing weight but gaining fat.

So they're at a higher percentage of body fat even though their body was losing weight. So they're literally, like, rotting out from the start. It's like a crackdown. Skinny fat's the worst, too. It's starving to death. When you're starving to death, when you're not eating enough, what happens? Your body starts to eat itself and you get smaller.

Yeah. That's how I used to cut weight for fights. Really? Back in the day, yeah. God. I mean, you know what I'm saying? Like, now they do it all scientifically. Like, you know, you have the PI and all that.

Everybody got a nutritionist. But back in the day, that's how I used to cut it. How'd you learn how to do it? From wrestlers? Where'd you learn how to do it from? Figured it out? Figured it out. Man, I was like, I got to be 145 pounds.

How much did you have to cut? I would do 20 pounds like that. Just not eating. Wow. I didn't know what the fuck I was doing my first time. That's probably why I tore my bicep. Because I was getting dehydrated And I was sparring

And I hit the guy wide And it went right up What was it, the Delante fight I think And I remember I showed up for that With the torn Yeah, I was fucked up But I strangled him But I remember being there and just not eating

And people not looking at me good I should give a major shout out to, you remember Gil Castillo? Yeah. He was a good guy. Cesar Gracie Blackbelts. Cesar Gracie, yep. A buddy of mine. Remember he had that wrestling match, a jiu-jitsu match with a giant football player?

A football player from the Buccaneers, I think. That's right. Yeah. I was there for that. I was in the room for that. That was wild to see. That might have been exactly this time. Matter of fact. It's a good advertisement. Because I was there when that happened. I think it was that time. See if you room for that. That was wild to see. That might have been exactly this time. As a matter of fact.

It's a good advertisement. Because I was there when that happened. I think it was that time. See if you can find that. He's funny, man. Because he was there for a couple of my fights. He was in my corner for that Delonte fight. But he goes, dude, what are you doing?

And I told him, I got to make 155 and I'm 160. He goes, dude, you're there. What are you talking about? He's like, eat. He made me eat. I wasn't eating. So he actually, I didn't know what the fuck to do I didn't wrestle I wrestled like a season and then I didn't get along with the coaches

So he got me he got me Eating he goes you could fucking eat he goes and then thank goodness for him because I don't know what I what would happen and then I fucked myself up because after that fight on the plane home I don't know fights because I did something wrong with the thing I remember getting the chills I was like ill if that I don't have anything to do with the way I cut the weight but I remember I got like I caught something from that so I was like home just shivering that's what's crazy like there's a lot of guys who cut weight and get sick Yeah, I get sick like that night because your immune system so crushed

Yeah, I was fucked up you said a lot like a lot of times that you see guys are throwing up like yeah Yeah, the weird things when they black out. Yeah, you gotta tell them. Hey man. Yeah, it's not it not today Yeah, that's so scary that they get on death's door. But is there a way around that? Like, how is one doing it? Do you think they're doing it effectively? I think so. I'm not a big weight cutting guy. I am not either.

I don't really like it. I think you should just fight at higher weights. If you're struggling to make a weight, you need to go up. Don't you think they should have more weight classes? And they can have more weight classes. I was a tweener. I was small for 170 kind of i really was and 155 was a fucking bitch to get to especially now when you see guys like hamza

they make 170 like how the fuck i just had mike malott on my show the other day he's on you a few six one he's huge yeah yeah i'm like i'm five", man. These guys at that weight class, at 170, these are 200-pound guys. It's like Kamaru. Right. I mean, you can't be small for that weight class with a guy like Kamaru. But if we had every 10 pounds, I think it evens it out better. Yeah. I think 55, 65, 75, 85, 95, 205, maybe 225, and then heavyweight.

And I don't think heavyweight should be 265 I think that's ridiculous I think heavyweight should be what the fuck do you weigh get on there 300 318 pounds hell yeah

like who's that giant Russian cat what was his name Valuev remember that guy he was a legitimate giant he was like 7 feet tall I think Holyfield beat him

oh yeah the boxer the boxer I was like I'm thinking MMA fighter. Remember that guy? That guy's a legit giant. He was fucking huge.

Picture in the suit on the right. Look at that, dude. Something out of fucking James Bond. Yeah. David Hale. Yeah. See if you can find, was it, did Valuev fight Evander Holyfield? Is that?

I don't remember who won that fight. Where is Mr. Bond? Put an eyepatch on that motherfucker. He's remember who won that. Where is Mr. Bond? Put an eye patch on that motherfucker. He's a villain from the fucking. He was. He should have. He missed his calling. Yeah, he was a legitimate giant.

Yeah, Holyfield. Yep, there it is. Who won there? He was 100 pounds heavier than Holyfield. He weighed 310 pounds in value of one, a widely disputed majority decision. That's right. That's crazy. That's right.

Most people thought that Evander should have won that fight. Evander was 46. Oh, the WBA had to investigate the decision. Wow. Interesting. Yeah, a lot of dirty shit in boxing. Yeah. Ooh, dirty, dirty, dirty.

What about when Vitor went versus him and like, I mean, I like Vitor, you know, and afterwards he's acting like he beat Holyfield in his prime. He just beat a fucking 60 year old dude. 60 year old. Calm the fuck down. Who took the fight on short notice, right? But also Holyfield, if he knocked him out, he would be celebrating. Yeah.

Who would? It's still a fight. If Holyfield knocked out Vitor, he'd be celebrating. Yeah, because he's fighting a youngster and he's fucking 60. I'd be fucking doing car wheels. It is. You're right. You're right.

But also, you know, it is a fight. It is a fight, but he's fighting a 60-year-old. Right. But if Holyfield could have caught him and knocked him out, he would have knocked Vitor out and he would have celebrated. I mean, I know what you're saying. No, no. But right from the start.

It was sad to watch. It was sad. He didn't have his legs. He was just from the start. It was sad to watch. It was sad. He didn't have his legs. He was just stumbling around. It was wild. And, you know, Vitor's in his 40s and all the Mexican supplements. But that's when I knew we were living in a parallel universe is when Donald Trump was like the commentator for that.

Yeah. Was that? Did he really do commentary? I don't know if it was commentary, but it was somewhere on a broadcasting of Vitor Belfort, Evander Holyfield, boxing match. Vitor, look good back on the saucy, baby. Yeah, he got that fucking... I don't think you saw it.

It was an amazing fight. Yeah. They fought as I would. Yeah. I'd be pissed, too, if I was Michael Bisping. You know? Oh, yeah. Is that the Jesus?

He wants the eye to that? He wants the eye to that. The head kick. I'd be pissed too if i was michael bisping you know oh yeah i'd be pretty bitter too but trt velt belfort was a thing to behold i know you know traps he was a thing to behold man luke rockhold said when he when he saw him when they were at the way and he was like what the is this guy on fuck is this guy on? Woo! He was, because he had all the age and wisdom and experience, but then he had a body that moved like a super athlete. Yeah.

It was crazy. Right. Remember with Rockhold, he's throwing wheel kicks and shit? Yeah, the difference between USADA and no USADA. Good lord. That is a crazy difference. Crazy. Good ovarian. Well, the worst was when he fought Weidman. Because when he fought Weidman, he was right off of it.

Right. And Weidman fucking smashed. Crushed him. Yeah. Nice. So obvious. It was a big... See if you can find that.

Yeah, Overeem's lost. Holy shit. Overeem's doing triathlons. What am I looking at here? Is this recent? That's Overeem. Yeah, recent. Look at his face.

Yeah. Maybe he's going down to 205. I don't know. What did I ask you to find? Sorry. It was Tier 2 Boomer Vitor and then Overeem. No. Shit.

I can't reply. No review. God damn it. What the hell? Damn. Overeem's face? Yeah. Oh, Vitor versus Chris Weidman.

Find that. Because that was when... Also, it's not fair to make him do that. Hey, you want to fight for a title? Go cold turkey off TRT. Your body's been living off of him for years. Yeah. And now your body's not producing testosterone correctly anymore.

And then fight the world champion, Chris Weidman, who's natural and a fucking monster. Like, he just looked way different like physically like look at him softer look at him look at him when he's walking i mean it's crazy the difference it's really not it was not fair for vitor i mean i know he probably took it because he wanted to fight for the title but there's no way your body is working at an optimum state after all those years of being on that it's just there's no way your body is working at an optimum state after all those years of being on that. There's no way. He's not making any friends with that haircut either. Well, he used to love that haircut. That was his go-to-war haircut.

Really? Didn't he have that haircut when he fought Bisping? Close to it? He should go to the barber with that haircut. I forgot the barber. Oh, shit. Oh, fuck. Wild scrambles. It still was a good fight. Oh shit Oh fuck Wild scrambles It still was a good fight

It still was a good fight Until Weidman got him down Look Vitor's a talented guy Oh very talented Look at this I mean he's He's going for broke Against Weidman

Which is very dangerous Cause if you gas out This motherfucker never does And so then Chris got him down. Yeah, he gets mounted on him. Yeah, he gets mounted. It's a problem. Yeah, well, Vitor, like, clearly fatigued.

Like, he ran out of gas in that fight. And that's just, if your body's not making testosterone, there's no way you can sustain, like, the way he did at his prime. But that's the way you take that fight anyway, really. Like, if you know you're taking on short notice, you you just go for broke and then when you guess how you just Didn't just gas out he had the fuck This point at this point I would just quit when you had TRT Vitor then what do we call Vitor when he came on the scene? And he was like 225 jacked. Oh that was everything. Well the first fight he was like 200 like when he fought

What about when he beat Vanderlei? How crazy was that? Well, what was crazy was when he got up to fight Randy Couture. So the Randy Couture fight was like 240. Yeah He was giant. His trap started at the top of his head. Yeah, remember they were at the top of his head. It just went straight down. But he gassed out in that fight. Like, Randy was fucking in his prime back then. And Randy was so solid. See if you can find what Vitor looked like. He was super jacked.

He looked like a lion. I think they make it another Expendables movie. Is that right? Are they? I swear to God. Why not? They have like 85 Fast and the Furiouses. I think 50 Cent's going to be in it too, I think.

I think Dolph Lundgren's in it too, yeah. Yeah. That's what he looks like. Is that the Randy Couture fight? See if you can find, well, is that the fight? Down here it says

Vitor cuts Randy Couture from the UFC lightweight title. No, no, no, no. That was the second time they fought. That was at 205. In that fight, he actually cut Randy.

He cut his eyelid straight open. Oh, yeah, I remember. It was like in the first like 10 seconds, right? Yeah, that's how Vitor won the title and then Randy came back and beat him. So that's eyelid straight open. Oh, yeah, I remember. It was in the first 10 seconds, right? Yeah, that's how Vitor won the title. And then Randy came back and beat him.

So that's the second fight. Yeah. It was back when they were wearing shoes. That's it, up in the upper right-hand corner of the small photos. Right there. That's it. So that's the first time they fought, because Randy was wearing shoes. He's wearing shoes.

What year was that? That's the first fight. Yeah, but that's definitely not. That's definitely the first fight, 100%, because that's him wearing shoes. Yeah, he was fucking jacked. I remember that. He was hanging out with this dude that was like his weightlifting coach. That bodybuilder dude? We used to call that dude garden hoses.

That's a cable vein down his arms. They were like garden hoses down his arms. It was crazy. And the guy he was hanging with, I don't know if he was, I don't think he was a Brazilian guy. He was an American guy. I think he wound up dying of a heart attack. That guy was American? Interesting.

The guy was purple? Yeah. He was purple. Yeah, he really was. It was like this. Yeah. The guy was so big. He looked like he was flexing all the time.

He was so big. It was preposterous And you're like That's Vitor's weightlifting coach? Well he definitely has a connection When he beat Vanderlei Silva No no that's Anderson's guy

That's when Anderson got Click on that guy though When Anderson got popped That was his guy Good lord And I think Homeboy was like 60 In this picture Yeah

I used to see him around all the time Yeah that guy swole That was his guy. Good Lord. And I think Homeboy was like 60 in this picture. Yeah. Yeah. What is that? I used to see him around all the time. Yeah, that guy swole. That was when Anderson got popped. Vitor's guy, I don't think there's photos of him because we're talking about like the 90s. It was like 97, 98 back in those days. I remember that guy.

Yeah. Purple. Purple. Yeah, I don't think he lived very long, man. I think he was like riding the lightning. He wasn't getting no blood work done. No. He was stuffing that bag.

Let's go. I didn't know what blood work was back then. I mean, a few guys probably did. It's a crazy thing when you think about the early days of the UFC because what you were talking about pre-Usada and post-Usada, you know. You guys fought clean, but what percentage didn't? Oh, who knows? That's what I'm saying, man. I wonder how many guys I fought that were fucking pissing dirty.

Probably almost everybody. I mean, it was kind of an intent. That's the dude. How'd you find that, Jamie? Oh, my God. You son of a bitch. Curtis left. Jamie's the best.

That's the dude. Look at his fucking veins, man. Those veins are crazy. How did he die? He was a strong man. Oh, he was a strong man first? And those guys seem all good. That guy had the most crazy veins.

How did he die? Did it say? Find out, I guess. Yeah, so that was a dude who was training Vitor. He was always with him. But, you know, they had like a different idea Of like strength training Back then He was only 36 When he died

He was only 36 36 Good lord Would he die off Yeah I wonder where that came from Yeah Yeah right

Yeah crazy I never even did heavy weights At all when I was Fighting At all I did more Like Longo would just put me Through the calisthenics

And plyometrics And all that kind of stuff I didn't I would get too tight Yeah functional training Is the way to go. Did you do kettlebells or anything with weights, lighter weights? Towards the end, we started messing with some kettlebell stuff, but not too much. Plyometrics?

Plyometrics a lot, yeah. I still do stuff like that now. I even did, like, even just, like, there's times where if I, like, I work out now, like, something to keep me just from like just to keep me in shape like after jiu-jitsu I'll do me and my buddy just I did this right before I got on the plane I did I'll do 20 push-ups and then he puts his fist on I put my fist under him he had to touch the fist so you're not cheating he does 20 15 15 10 10 5 5 and then back up 5 5 10 10 it ends up being 100 push-ups.

So instead of doing 100 push-ups straight, it's not, that can be annoying and fucking whatever. This way, but when you're coming back up to the last 20, it's annoying. It's like, ah! It's enough to make you say, fuck you. And then if I'm doing it by myself, I'll do 20, turnover, 20 squat, 20 sit-ups, 15.

I do it that way. And again, this is not the whole workout, but this is what I do after my jiu-jitsu training So it's how many push-ups I get a weekend. You know that's how I warm up from the cold plunge I do 100 bodyweight squats 100 push-ups. That's my warm. How do you do that's a five? 20 you yeah, so I get out of the cold I start with a cold because there was some study done. think it was a japanese study about elevating your testosterone and also um uh increasing your ability to do work because your body's like you kill all the inflammation very quickly in the beginning and then you warm your body up so some guys like to do it on they like to get on the echo bike but i find like body

weight squats and push-ups it's like i have to do them anyway i do 100 every day anyway so that's a good way to warm up so by the time I do five sets of twenty everything's warmed up and then I could do other shit they see the cold plunge I could my my ears suck man if I go under the water under the water okay yeah I don't go into the water I dunk my head sometimes before you were able to do that because I just the first one is a video of me do I bitched out like a minute and 20 seconds I mean I couldn't even do it I mean I couldn't do 20 seconds it was so cold but then I realized I'm just freaking

out and just relax and do breathing exercise so the next time I did it I did like four and a half and then I want to see how long I could do it and the next time I did I did 20 minutes and don't do that don't do that what are you 20 minutes too much up for a few days yeah I was fucked up for a few days that Oh, wow. Yeah, I can imagine. Yeah, I was fucked up for a few days. That wasn't so good for you. Yeah. I was dry. It was in 90 degree weather.

I drove from my house to here with the windows rolled up, no AC on, and I was freezing. I bet. So I'm in a hot box. Yeah. I mean, I put the seat heater on in my truck. I was freezing. Yeah. And it was 90 degrees outside, and the windows were rolled up, and I had no AC on.

That's how cold I was. What were you thinking? Maybe just longer? Better? I just went to five minutes, and I said, let's see if I go to 10. Then I went to 10 minutes, and I said, I think I can make 15. Then I got to 15. I'm like, 20 is only five minutes away.

Next thing, I got to 20. And when I got out, and I did the whole thing on Instagram so I could film it. so I wanted to make sure that I was really doing it yeah but when I got out I'm like that was not a good idea I do not recommend that it's like hypothermia it's like 15 minutes or something like that and it's 34 degrees but I'm doing these breathing exercises while I'm doing it and that keeps your core heat heated up at least a little bit you know how they always say that you know what they always like contradict themselves one second This thing's good for you. The next seconds is bad for you. What if you're really killing yourself right now? What if they find out that this ice thing?

Killed off the fucking cavemen I mean, I don't know 20 minutes is definitely not good for you and it probably harms you but doing it three minutes at a time It ramps up your dopamine by 200 percent lasts for hours it reduces inflammation and for me i just get excited it's like when i get out of there i just feel great and i'll do like i'll warm up out in the sun so i'm freeze i get out i towel myself off and then i'll do all my warm-up shit out in the sun i'll do my push-ups and my body weight squats out in the sun get the sunlight feel good you-ups and my body weight squats out in the sun. Get the sunlight,

feel good, you know, get a little bit of a sweat going by the end of 100, and then I start working out. You don't got that shit in New York, though. You fucking jump out, it's a little fucking cold.

All day long. Well, in the summer. Isn't that miserable? Try it in the summer. Try it now. But it's not for everybody, but for me, it feels good.

I like it. It's a good way to get it going. It feels fucking good, man. Is it indoors? No, it feels good. I like it. Dana's doing it. It's a good way to get it going. You and Dana like it. It feels fucking good, man. Is it indoors or outdoors? No, it's outdoors. Outdoors, yeah. And I got a barrel sauna right next to it, so I'll hop in that motherfucker after my workouts.

Let me ask you, man, because I love, I start my day with a nice steam. I love the steam shower. That's good, too. But why is it not as good as the sauna? It doesn't get as hot. Oh, that's the only reason? The thing is, it's all about heat shock proteins. It's all about your body responding to the fact that it's dying. You're in an extreme situation where your body's like, holy fuck.

So your body starts producing all these cytokines, all these anti-inflammatory heat shock proteins. And the study they did out of Finland, they did a study where they studied people over 20 years. How many people were in that study? Find out how Finland, they did a study where they studied people over 20 years. How many people were in that study? Find out how many people in that Finland study. So after 20 years, they found out the people that did it four times per week, they had a 40% decrease of all-cause mortality. Everything. 40% decrease in heart attack, stroke, cancer, everything. And this was, they think, directly connected to these heat shock proteins and the use of the sauna on a regular basis.

Four times a week, 20 minutes at a time. So 2,300 middle-aged men for an average of 20 years. They categorized the men into three groups according to how often they used the sauna each week. The men spent an average of 14 minutes per visit baking at 175 degrees Fahrenheit. baking at 175 degrees Fahrenheit. Over the course of the study, 49% of the men who went to the sauna once a week died, compared to 38% of the ones who went two to three times a week, and just 31% of those who went four to seven times a week. Frequent visits to a sauna were associated with lower death rates

from cardiovascular disease and stroke. And the results don't surprise Dr. Thomas H. Lee, cardiologist at Harvard-affiliated Brigham and Women's Hospital and founding editor of the Harvard Heart Letter. The cardiovascular effects of sauna have been well-documented in the past. It lowers blood pressure, and there is every reason to believe that its effects are good for blood vessels. So it's good for a lot of different shit.

And it also, you just feel better. Well, being in the sauna. You feel better when you get out. You just feel better. I mean, I feel like that with my steam. He said the results aren't applicable to steam baths and hot tubs. Finished saunas are wood-lined rooms, specifically heated to a stove topped with stones.

Air inside the sauna is very hot and dry. All the sauna bathers periodically add water to the stones to produce a vapor known as loyally? How about just steam, you fucking weirdos? That's just the word that we know, right? They produce something called loyally. Oh, you mean steam? But they throw like eucalyptus oil in there and shit and throw it on the rocks.

But the key is like you do it, it increases your cardio. Like Dan Gable talked about how he figured it out from wrestlers. Like the Eastern European like you do it it increases your cardio like dan gable talked about how he figured it out from wrestlers like the eastern european guys were using it and they realized it was a integral part of their training to do sauna afterwards and it's what it's also is like static cardio so if i do a hard workout like say if i do like rounds in the bag i'll go straight into the sauna but my heart is already you know 120 something beats per second after I get the gloves off and I sit in there and it just is 185 degrees and your heart rate gets back

to 147 and just stays there when you're sitting there. You're sitting there suffering. So you do that for 20 minutes it's like 20 minutes of cardio but also all the heat shock benefits and when you come out of there you feel fucking great. You just feel ooh. So wait a minute.

So in the morning, you should do the cold stuff, and then like in the afternoon, do the sauna. The way I do it, it depends on how much time I have. I like to do the sauna before I go to bed. That's my favorite way because it makes me sleep good. But I also like to do it at the end of a hard workout. So I'll do the cold to start my workout. That's the first thing I do. And then I have to heat my body back up until I can really work out. Then I work and then when I'm done working out then when I'm all sweaty then I hop in the sauna

I mean it makes sense because if you do the cold after it kind of defeats the purpose of the workout Yes, it definitely for hypertrophy, but but but for people who do cardio Especially like if you're doing like hard jiu-jitsu Maybe a good move to do it afterwards, you could train more. Cut down the inflammation. Yeah, a lot of guys do that with cryo. They like to do cryo. Like Eddie Bravo said,

when he had that rematch with Hoyler Gracie, he said, there's no way I would have been able to train like that without cryo. He goes, he was just doing cryo sessions after every workout. Oh. That's where you wear the mittens?

Yeah, yeah. You freeze your dick off like 250 degrees below zero for three minutes. Yeah. Yeah, I'm not built for that either. I degrees below zero for three minutes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I'm not built for that either. I just want to do steroids. That's all I want to do.

If I just get some steroids, I'm good to go. You're not on TOT? No. Why not? I need to. I don't know. I just don't feel like paying for it. Hmm.

Get your health done. It's money well spent. I know. I know. Eventually I will. Eventually I will. When you guys are here, I've got to get you to Ways to Well. Get you into Ways to Well.

They'll do an extensive blood panel on you and find out what your nutrient levels are. They're very comprehensive. That's why I wanted to know if you've got real good blood work done. They'll give you a booklet. They'll do an analysis of your blood work and all the different things they test for. They test for a lot of shit. They can pull out a lot of blood. Yeah, I've got a buddy at home. They test for a lot of shit. They can pull out a lot of blood. Yeah, I got a buddy at home, same type of spot.

They're actually doing, where I was meeting with your buddy. That's the guy I texted you about. Yeah, bring him some air. And they do a very similar thing. I mean, definitely you should do it. I know. It's just good to know. It's good to know what's going on.

Yeah. You know, I was low in DHEA. And, you know, it's also, I fucked up. I didn't realize how dehydrated I got from the sauna, because one time I went straight there to get my blood drawn after the sauna, and they're like, bro, you're fucking dehydrated. Yeah, you probably drink a lot of water. Oh, I drink a shitload of water. Yeah.

Yeah, I drink a shitload. But after that, I doubled and tripled up to the point where it was a problem during podcasts. I'd have to piss, like, so often. Yeah. I'd have to run up. I'll lend you a piss jug. That's true. That's a piss jug.

I got one running around the house. You should sell that on eBay. It's probably worth money. It was like one of them arrowhead jugs. 100%. That's awesome. You know what's funny? I had a habit of doing that forever, so I kept doing it when I was married. I'd turn over.

So one time, so finally my wife's like, look. What's wrong with you? You're in a bucket of piss next to the bed. Unbelievable. My wife, after a little bit, she goes, look, this is not happening. Oh, my God. It's so funny. My mother-in-law was over cleaning with my wife.

And she's like, I got to. That's not Snapple. Put that down. Oh, my God. My mother-in- that's not snapple put that down my wife my mother-in-law had my snapple bottle full of piss so my wife's got me civilized i'm not an animal she's been good for you like ray longo said she raised my stock i'm not a animal anymore so now i need a woman like that, right? For a guy like you? The right girl will bring you up. The wrong one will ruin you. 100%.

100%. I guess women will say that about men, too. 100%. She did that for me. It's not the right one for everybody. Yeah, right. You gotta find that chemistry. You gotta find yours. And don't settle.

Don't you fucking settle. Yeah. Don't you fucking settle. Keep moving. Yeah. Keep moving. Throw that phone in the lake and keep moving. That's hysterical. You got to know when to abandon ship.

Yeah. Abandon ship and light the boats on fire. Yeah. Get the fuck out of here. Let's go. No, 100%, man. I definitely, I dodged some bullets too. Oh my God, we all have, right?

You think about some paths you could have went down. Oh, fuck, man. All sorts of ways in life. That could have been the mother of my kids. Holy fuck. Well, also other things. Just think about fights. Just think about street fights you got in when you were a kid.

How many people do you know that got in street fights where somebody could have died? And then all of a sudden you're in jail. Yeah, no shit. Doing dumb shit. Remember Kevin James? Kevin James worked as a bouncer with this guy in Long Island. And this guy knocked some guy out. The guy fell just like fucking Steve-O.

Hit his head. Dead. Dead. Guy winds up with a rat. I mean, he goes to jail. Crazy. Happens all the time. Amen.

See, Matt, that's why I be keeping you out of trouble. Every time we go up, Matt almost gets in trouble. Well, no, dude. But it's not. I don't look for trouble, obviously. Well nails I love that you're still rolling though even with your knee replacement on the knee feels good Yeah that's amazing Because I was worried

Because when you hear about people getting knee replacements I don't really hear too much about jiu jitsu guys doing that I was concerned man And the last When me and you did the episode When you had to catch the ball And I was sitting there Oh yeah yeah

In Denver And we were looking for a fight And in that episode I I don't like look. The reason why I put off the knee so long, I had my knee surgery. Is this the same knee that you had injured when you said you tore your meniscus before the Carl fight? My meniscus? No, I think it's the other knee. Believe it or not.

Wow. I was supposed to get both my knees done, but I'm not getting the other one done right away because uh You know I have fucking I could walk It passed the test of for years when I go to the Disney and Universal I'd have to get a motorized cart. You know I made it fun. I took some edibles and Couldn't I couldn't. I couldn't walk. I couldn't walk through the park. So the last time we went with my family, I'm like, oh, this is, I know it sounds simple,

but I'm like, yo, this is fucking great. I'm walking with my kids. I got a drumstick. Now I don't feel like a fatty with a big drumstick. Now I'm walking around with it. No pain. I could walk with my knee. No pain at all.

No, I'm good. That's amazing. Does it feel like you or does it feel like something moving with you? Dude, it feels fine. I mean, I feel, because it's titanium, if someone went to kick me, I could use that to fucking block it. He told me that yesterday. I could usually, I even asked him, I go, let's say if someone went to kick me. I go, would it be able to get kicked out?

They go, no, that shit's cemented in there. That's not going to fucking happen. And they told you no restrictions on any movements or anything? Well, before I went in, he said that it's like an 80% chance that you'll be able to do everything you want to do. I guess they don't want to maybe get your hopes up too high. Right, and you're different than most people too though. And most people

that get knee replacements are not elite athletes. But you know what the problem is? I think they told me that most people when they go into, Dr. Amato, great guy,

he's a jujitsu guy. He was my PT guy. I'd like to give him a shout out because he got me back and I felt good, comfortable with him because he was reassuring me being a purple belt in jujitsu.

He knew what I had to do. He goes, you'll be able to do everything. Fucking everything. And he's right. I'm able to do everything. He goes, Matt, the problem is when they do these, like, whatever, you ask people about are they able to move their knee the way they were before. A lot of times when they go into the surgery, they can't bend that shit.

So I was already flexible. So I kept everything. So that's good. Like, I could touch my my knee can you can you do triangles with it yeah fuck yeah no you do triangles with it yeah and they told you like essentially it's permanent like is it for the rest of your life like how long does it last uh i think the i think the thing was the shelf life was what about the 30 years something like that 20 to 30 or something like that and then what happens I think we got to get a new one by then. I don't know. I don't know. I didn't really ask about that

But uh what happened was they like no my other? Like you could see behind this I was getting baked. Oh, by the way, you like my socks That's called a baker's cyst This is my knee that I didn't get done yet Holy shit that's huge When you have bone on bone It gets like inflammation And fluid and it ends up going to the back

Of the knee See this thing? That thing's all fluid I have to get that drained that bitch How often do you get it drained? They don't want you to do it too often because they put in a cortisone and they say that'll

fuck up the knee, but I have to get a new knee anyway, so I don't give a fuck. So shoot it up. But what happens is it blows back up soon. You know what I mean? I would try to keep a tight sleeve on it, but it would just fill back up. They try to shoot it with the cortisone so it doesn't come back, but it comes back.

So I got that thing drained several times. So eventually you're going to have to get that one done. Eventually I will. But until I can't walk, I'm walking normal. You see what I mean? Yeah, I see. You know what it was like before. Bisping's walking normal.

But I think Bisping is still- He's got both of his done. Yeah, he had both of his done. But I think Bisping is still- He's got both of his done. Yeah, he had both of his done. But I think they bother him sometimes. I think he's standing too long. I think it bothers him. But he's still, he's training and all that good stuff. He still kicks the bags and stuff with it.

He's good with the- Kick the bag. The only thing I fucked up with, and I told you that earlier off air, is that I tore my quad, and that's a little annoying. Because sometimes it'll dip. I'll just fall. I did it in the kitchen the other day. My wife's like, what the fuck?

20% of it, in the front of it. If I bend my knee, sometimes it'll continue to bend. So I just got to be alert of that. I fucked up. You're supposed to step down with your bad leg off regular steps. I did it from too high off a couch because I went to do those short jokes you can't stop.

I was getting ready. You must stop. You must stop. You're right on time. I saw it coming out of your mouth. So I had to reach something. So when I went to step down, I did it with my bad leg, and it fucking ripped. Boom, straight down.

I just fucking, damn. And you didn't was there an option to get it surgically reattached well I went to my PT guy and he goes oh you tore that thing

because I was on meds I was on the pain stuff I don't know what the fuck I was on but so maybe it helped with the pain but it was fucking painful

and then I noticed I didn't know it was deformed I didn't know what the fuck I did and then he look he goes look man He goes like if there's like a hundred fibers in your leg you told like 20% of them or something So it's kind of like what I did to my bicep, but you know it is what it is. I fucked that up I can't go back in time and fix it and what they have if you did it right away I don't I have no idea. I have no idea. Have you ever heard of that? I never heard I know that with your bicep I mean I had a buddy that had his quad detached, and they reattached it and everything.

I heard of a dude who got his quad detached from a leg kick. This guy did it. Oh, my God. This leg kick was so severe that it sliced the quad. God damn. Yeah, this dude did it shooting on somebody. Ooh. But again.

Fortunately, he was on a mat. You know, at least he could have happened squatting or riding. He's an avid bike rider, too. Where guys' legs explode when they're doing deep squats. I know. Man, I don't like that shit. Oh, it drives me nuts, man. The weight training, I got too much ADD for that.

I'm afraid I'll. Like, you know what I mean? Like, I could zone out in my jujitsu and whatever. I really think My ADD helped my fighting It kept me in the moment I swear to God Like I don't know

But I could I could fucking start Daydreaming And I'm gonna fucking Break a leg or something I don't like the The heavy weights Yeah

I don't like that shit Fuck that Yeah people didn't believe I used to tell him I go he don't even lift I said he does more You know plyometric Gymnastic type stuff

But think about like Those guys that First of all Look at the guys who do the rings in the Olympics. They're the most jacked guys. Oh, hell yeah. These guys are jacked. They got little tiny little legs, though. Yeah. But super jacked arms, man. When they do that shit, I mean, those guys.

Balance and everything. Oh, my God. I mean, calisthenics. Look at those bar stars, guys. Those guys who do those playground workouts. Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. They're so jacked. Like, lookisthenics. Look at those bar stars, guys. Those guys who do those playground workouts. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, my God. They're so jacked.

Like, look at these guys. Look at the fucking build on these motherfuckers. Yeah, the core strength is ridiculous. Insane. You teach that guy to do jiu-jitsu? Holy fuck, man. I always said that. I said, if he's gymnast-

Look at that guy. Learn jiu-jitsu, it's going to be bad. Look at that fucking dude. Oh, and he's in his pajamas. Yeah. Pointing his toes. He's got a onesie on. Right?

Sexy. God. I know. Any sport you do with your socks only on, it's kind his toes. He's got a onesie on. Sexy. I know. Any sport you do with your socks only on is kind of ridiculous. That's crazy. Go back to that photo, please. Look at the fucking build on that, dude. Jesus, Louisa's. Look at that thing. That's crazy.

That's a ridiculous kind of power to do that cross. A thousand percent. Oh, my God. Yeah, so think about those. Go to those Bar Stars guys because there's these dudes who do – and, you know, there's guys – some of these guys are, like, in their 60s that are doing these workouts. There's this one Russian cat who does these on Instagram, and he's, like, 58 years old, and he does all these wild playground workouts. He must have been, like, at one point point in time he must have been some you know

Russian Olympic rings guy or something like that or some look at these fucking guys. I mean God look at the build on these fucking guys.

All calisthenics. You can get a crazy build with calisthenics. You just got to be willing to do some evil shit to yourself. Yeah. This is evil.

That's so hard. But it's an interesting sort of like test case on strength and conditioning programs. Yeah, it is. Yeah. I mean, if you can do that,

like, what you in the gym for? Right. But the thing is, it's like, how much would that help your jujitsu? A lot. Oh, I think that's

probably even more because it's like so many different movements all at once. Yeah, look at these guys. This is crazy. The core strength, the stabilizers. That's crazy. What is it called? Hannibal forking chin-ups?

His name is Hannibal. Oh, oh, oh. Royal. Oh, it's royal pull-ups it's called. How the fuck does he get down? Look at this. It's crazy. Oh, that's us talking about how awesome they are.

I'm so impressed with people that could do that. It's like, that's a long road to get that good. Dude, George, he does that stuff all the time. Pretty amazing. St. Pierre? Yeah. He's smart. He figured it out.

I mean, it's like gymnastics. That is funny. You're calling me a geek every now and then. What I get with George, I get a text from him. No words, no nothing. It's like gymnastics. That's funny. You're calling me a geek every now and then. What I get with George, I get a text from him. No words, no nothing. It's the latest

Ahsoka trailer. The latest Star Wars trailer. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's into the Star Wars.

He's a bigger Star Wars nerd than me. He throws, he's talking to me about the cartoons and everything. My brother Jamie's big into Star Wars.

Yeah. The Mandalorian was fun. George is big into UFOs too. Oh yeah. Is he? UFOs, too. Oh, yeah? Is he? Oh, yeah. UFOs, yes.

Very interesting. So what about that UFO or the little alien that was in Vegas? The Vegas thing? Is that real or what? Is that real or what? Is that real? Is it like eight foot tall, nine foot tall? Wait, wait.

Hold on. What do you think? Most likely not a true story. Most likely. But it might be. So here's the thing. If an alien spacecraft did land in your backyard and a 10-foot dude got out and you see him and you don't get your phone up in time because you're mesmerized and it just takes off, like,

what happened? Is that real? Okay. Even if it is real, are you going to tell people? Even if you tell people, no one's going to believe you. So you're stuck in this spot. Unless you have video evidence of it, I don't know. But I do know that George Knapp,

he's like the most prominent investigative reporter in Las Vegas for UFOs. He's the guy that broke the Bob Lazar case back in the late 1980s. That was the guy who claimed to have back-engineered UFOs. And it's a very interesting story. But anyway, he went to visit these people. They made an appointment, I think it was two different occasions. When he went to their house, they didn't answer the door. Oh, really? Yeah, so, but it also could be they don't want the smoke. They don't want that attention. Imagine just a regular person.

You're not making any money from this. All of a sudden everyone's calling you a liar. Yeah. And then everyone knows where your house is. And then people come by, show me the backyard! Show me the backyard! I mean, it probably would have freaked them out. I mean, there's probably a lot going on on the subject that behind you because i can't unlook at it who is this individual getting something it's supposed to be me i think it's supposed to be me getting sucked up into a spaceship what am i with somebody gave me this

it's a gift i don't think it's headphones headphones my bad i thought it was like a mongolian doing something i don a hair The hair was like a ponytail That's what I swear I got the whole time Oh now I get it I think that's supposed to be Me getting sucked up Into the spaceship

Now it makes all the sense Yeah this was a gift By Brigham My friend Brigham Oh nice shit Yeah he gave me this When I first came here And so it was so cool

We decided There it is You can see it on that image But then we decided It was so cool It would be cool behind me. So it looks like it belongs here. Shit, man.

And the club. You having a lot of fun with the club? Oh, it's amazing. So much fun. That's so wild. I just know this because I was a huge fan of the Norm MacDonald podcast with Adam Egan. They had such a great chemistry. Adam's great.

And he runs that show. He's the telecord there. Yeah, and the only reason I know that name is because they had such... Did you guys ever see the old Norm Macdonald podcast? It was so... On occasion. This is it.

Before it went on Netflix. The Netflix ones are all right, but this was so funny. And I thought he was a very funny guy. They had a great thing going. Adam's very funny. He could be a comic if he wanted to be a comic, but he's a great talent coordinator. He's just a great dude.

He's just a fun guy to have around. Norm Macdonald was like my, he was just such a funny comic. Oh my God. He was the best. He was the one guy that I continually just watch and not feel. Sometimes when I watch stand-up comedy, I get nervous for the stand-up comedian. I don't know. Because you don't want him to bomb.

Yeah. I don't know what it is, but I never got nervous with that guy. Didn't you do it once? Didn't you do it once with Adam Hunter on the episode? No, not with Adam Hunter. It wasn't Adam Hunter? He asked me to do that. He was hosting the show, though. No, I think you're thinking of Eve Edwards. No, not with Adam Hunter. It wasn't Adam Hunter? He asked me to do that. He was hosting the show, though.

No, I think you're thinking of Eve Edwards did it. No, no, no, no, no. Adam Hunter was actually the host. We did Dana White. Dana White looking for a fight. The LA episode. His first episode. Yeah, my first episode.

Where Nick the Tooth fucking walked off the show and we needed somebody. Dun, dun, dun! Within 24 hours. Superman, yep. Dean Thomas cups up happened Nick the Tooth thought that everybody else wasn't really getting tased or something

was there something crazy like that yeah something like that 100% now Nick the Tooth when we were doing the show I would get along with the Tooth

like he was a funny guy he was a fun guy to hang with he was kind of goofy but he was funny you know but then you'd go back and you'd watch the episode and see him talking

to the camera saying all sorts of shit so a couple of things happened. One, somebody told him. We all got locked hands together in one of the episodes, me, Dana, and Nick. And they had us. They tased us. So we all got fucking tased.

And he was the only one being like, stop! You know, that kind of thing. Oh, no. So he wanted to save face, I guess. And somebody told him that, oh, the way they did it, they really fucked you, man. You got more of the voltage than some bullshit. Which is obvious. Dude, we all got fucked up from that.

Of course. We all got. So that's one. And then another thing was him saying that we set him up with me and him doing a grappling match, which was fucking the furthest thing from the truth. He was the one talking shit. I remember when I first started shooting the show, I was a little chubbier,

so I think he thought I was on the couch. And Nick the Tooth won some shit. He won some, like, the old man worlds and whatever it was. I think he just won something recently. He's a talented jiu-jitsu guy. He does like the parambolos and all that shit. But back then, was he a purple belt? He was a brown belt.

He was a brown belt. So I was watching, after the first episode, you know, I was watching the thing, and all of a. But back then, was he a purple belt? He was a brown belt. He was a brown belt. So I was watching, after the first episode, you know, I was watching the thing and all of a sudden I see him going, oh, Matt makes me look good.

He's bald. He's always late. All we got to do is settle the grappling. Now, he said this on the show. I remember. I remember being

like just dumbfounded. I didn't know what the hell he was thinking of. So when I see him the next time, we're on Danish Jet, we're doing the fucking Alaska episode, I go,'t know what the hell he was thinking of. So when I see him the next time, we're on Danish Jet, we're doing the fucking Alaska episode.

I go, dude, what the fuck was that? Said a what? So, and he was right along with it. He's like, yeah, we got the tooth now. And this and that. So I'm like, dude, I went with the best in the world. What the fuck are you talking about? So, but he was gung ho about it.

Let's grapple, let's grapple. So we ended up doing the show and then we were in a-jitsu gym in Alaska So I go hey man Fucking now listen if anybody had anything to lose imagine I slip in the motherfucking gets a barambola on me and I Would have something to lose losing to this knucklehead, but no of course I you know, I had my way with him Dana goofed on him a bunch, you know. But I got a text from him, right?

And this is the first time I knew there was some kind of problem. Hey, Matt, you know, it was an honor, this and that. I just have to let you know that I can't let that footage be shown. That's what he said. You know, it looked bad for my instructors and this and that. I was wearing their rash guard. So I call up, I go to Dana and I go, hey man, I know you're friends with him. What kind of power does this guy have to say that this shit's not going to be on the fucking air?

He goes, not only is that going to be fucking shown, wait till you listen to my fucking commentary. Dana goes, not only is that going to be shown. I was going to say, we saw it for sure. He's like, hey man. So I think he thought he was being set up, but it was nothing like that at all. So he was a little bit of a weird dude with that. I've seen him since and he was cool. Listen, he was a likable guy.

He's a very likable guy. But I think he was, some guys I think on the camera, I think they're a little insecure with how they are portrayed. But it was a weird thing because he was acting wacky, but then he's getting upset that he's being portrayed wacky. So it's like, dude, what the fuck are you talking about? So then he ended up getting to like a fucking pushing

match with Dana or something at a concert. I think they were at Chili Peppers concert. And I think it was actually Joe Silva went up to him and asked him something like, oh, what was it like to roll with Matt? And he said, that fat fuck set me up. I go, hey, wait a minute. Oh my God. I go, whoa!

What the fuck? I wasn wasn't there I heard about this so Dana called me I was with my wife and she was with me we were celebrating our anniversary in Vegas and we were gonna go from there to LA to shoot this episode and then fucking Dana called me to the office and we were like yo we

were left the show what the fuck we gonna do we were booked at that where did we do the laugh. What the fuck were you going to do? We were booked at that, where did we do the, Laugh Factory. Laugh Factory. Yeah. So, I'm not saying, I'm not saying you owe it all to me.

But there was one name that popped into my name. The first name, I go to Dean, I go to fucking, I go, Dane, I go,

yo, what about Dean Thomas? He goes, I always like, there he is! Fuck yeah, Dean! How'd that go? Not bad.

Did you write your own material? I wrote my own material. Nice. And then I have a whole other with Adam Hunter a few times. I ain't going to lie, he was the un-wears-a-crutch a little bit. That was only his first time. That was my first time. And then he got more comfortable with it.

Look at Dana, chubby Dana. Dana's all skinny now. Isn't it wild to see? Yeah, I know. I was literally mad. Look at Matt up there, Brian Callens in the audience. That was fun, though. I'll tell you right now, I had an adrenaline.

It felt so good. I told the people in the rafters, too, I'll climb up there, bite your fucking neck. I said, I like the layout. I can get that in you motherfuckers quick. But we had a good time, didn't we, Dean? Yeah, that was awesome. That was so much fun, man. Fun show you guys did.

That was so much fun. You guys did a lot of wild shit, right? Yes. What about the shark episode? That was a fun one. We swam with sharks. Why did you agree to that? You swam with sharks.

You got out as fast as you got in. You know what's fucked up? Oh, I went back in. You know what's fucked up about that? They are doing everything you're not supposed to do. They're chumming up the water. They're on their side. What the fuck?

Acting like they're seals. Yeah, wounded seals to draw the sharks out while we were in the water. What the fuck? Now, look, we're in there. Now, the best is the cameraman on the other boat, right? Charlie told me after, he goes, yo. He goes, they said some of the guys on the boat with him, they go, sooner or later, something's going to go wrong. Yeah.

These are producers. These are producers coming up with these ideas, right? Is that what it is? The chumming? That doesn't sound like something. No, no, no, no. That's these guys. The shark guys?

Hey, again, that was Florida. What the fuck, dude? Yeah, get me the fuck in there, dude. When I looked underneath, how many people could say, there was a cage? And they go, you don't want to go in the cage. The cage hurts anybody. Yeah, I was like, I want to go? They go, you don't want to go in the cage. The cage hurts anybody. Yeah, I was like, I want to go in the cage. You don't want to go in the cage?

Why? That's what they said. They were trying to get. I think I'll go in the cage. I was like, why don't you want to go in the cage? He goes, oh, the cage hurts people. I think these guys are just. Yeah, they were just fucking with us to get us to do it.

Listen, just because you can do something doesn't mean, just because you could pay for an experience doesn't mean you're not going to die. I think we found out about that recently. Yeah, exactly. That fucking submarine thing. That's the press saying it. That is so crazy. The inventor of the fucking submarine was on it when it imploded.

Oh, really? Yes. The crazy thing is they knew it happened and held it back for five days. Why do you think they did that, Ronald? Personally? Yes. I mean, I'm a good conspiracy theory guy. I think there's so much drama going on with the president and his son, this was something

to keep the headlines for a few days, because that's right when he got indicted. I mean, Klesh Yoltean shit. Interesting. We are so easily distracted. Yeah, right. That was a good one, though, too, for four days. It was like, I hope they find them. They only have 72 hours left.

Yeah, that's true. Yeah. But meanwhile, they were dead. Fucking thing imploded. They said they heard it because the government apparently, this is what's crazy. They had to sort of admit that they have a top secret acoustic surveillance system. Like, why are you admitting that? Are you just admitting it just because you know that there was an implosion?

Why would you admit that you have a top secret system? Maybe James Cameron had them. Because now it's not top secret. Now everybody fucking knows about it. Maybe James Cameron did it. I mean, he was the one that said, I knew the Navy heard it. They lost comms at the same time they heard the audible bang. I'll tell you right now, I wouldn't have done it.

Look at that. A top secret military acoustic detection system. Not anymore. Everybody knows now. I wouldn't have done it leave that a top-secret military acoustic detection system not anymore Everybody knows everybody knows the Titanic guy told everybody yeah How crazy is that he went what three times as deep oh yeah? One but I'm self kind he was with you could pilot around yes And this one was like an elevator like you had one button to go up Well yeah, and they were controlling it with a logic tech remote no no desire And there was lawsuits like there's a lot of whistleblowers that were saying that that hall is not with stood

It can't withstand that kind of depth, especially the new material They said the carbon fiber and they didn't even like the design the guy said at least if it was woven it might have worked They said this was like in like like almost like a spring it was wound oh the carbon fiber was you fuck did you not back to the shark thing did you see out of out of egypt that guy get beaten by the shark that was a real life jaws movie one point you see his feet up in the air. Yep, yep. Horrible. It was in the background, the plane like stand by me or some shit. Yes. And it's like, it is the most horrific thing. If I seen that before, I wouldn't have done the episode.

It's horrible. Dude, I looked down when we were in that water and I saw a fucking shark looking up at me. I saw that too, man. I got the fuck out of there. Because I don't swim. Nah, dude. Fuck that. Now it got to the point now. You're perpetuating the stereotype.

Whatever we do. Nah, I don't care. It's true. Brothers don't swim. There was some people recently in Florida, or in Hawaii rather, where the husband and the wife were snorkeling, and the husband gets his head out of the water, and they're screaming, get out of the water, get out of the water. It's because his wife was getting eaten.

Oh my God. There was a shark that was eating his wife while they're screaming at him to get out of the water what do you yeah did he get out of tiger shark yeah but they never found the wife they ate they ate her whole body oh yeah that happened my friend duncan was uh in hawaii and that happened like the week before he was there the week before the week after i forget which but like real close where he was like I was in that water hey what about balls dude you you can't swim and you jumped off a fucking cliff into water that's why why he brought it back to me yeah uh did you have life vest on no you can't because you have because I get

the impact because the impact like it because they said water without that it'll crush your chest We jumped off a cliff well Me and you jumped off a cliff. Yeah, that was episode that was the episode that Dana didn't jump out. Yeah Did he know they did not jumping? I know a guy fucked his back up for life doing that He landed bad. He landed back blew one of his discs. Here we go apart. Oh, how far is this? He landed back, blew one of his discs completely apart. Oh, how far is this? Oh, this is fun, man. Oh, my God, dude.

This is fucking awesome, though. Come on, we have some nice memories. How far was this? How far was this jump? I don't know, but I'm in better shape now with my shirt on. If you want to see me take my shirt off now, I'll show you. Goddamn. Look at this way little chubby guy.

Yeah. How many feet do you think that is? I don't know. That's pretty fucking high. But. Oh my God. Oof. Dana,

Dana was up there and Dana was up there until the sun went down. No way. Yeah. He never did it. I was torturing him. All his other people did it

and he didn't do it. Did anybody get hurt while you were there? No. I was like, little kids doing it. Dana's pride got hurt. Hello.

Ah, fuck that. Dana was like, fuck that. And the best is where It was like little kids doing it. Dana's pride got hurt. Hello. Ah, fuck that. Dana was like, fuck that. And the best is where- He was up there for three hours. Really? And we're in the truck. Now, first of all, he was breaking your balls before that.

Yeah. So then we get off that. We're in the van on the way back. Dana's a little down in his dumps. And Dean's starting to be like, well, he took balls just to get up there. I'm like, boo this man!

Fucking give it to him, Dean! Jesus, that's so far. He was up there a long time. Two hours and 30 minutes. Fuck that. Dana still didn't do it. They cut some shit from the episode. I'm sitting there yelling.

I go, Scott Coker would do it! Get out of here! Get out of here, pussy! Imagine if he did. Holy shit. He was up there till the fucking... And he had to walk down the walk of shame. Oh my God.

That's hilarious. But, hey, but, just to give him a compliment so I don't get fired. Yeah. He did jump on a fucking bull. Oh, man. No. Really? He rode a bull?

He rode a bull. Why? Why don't you call me first? I hosted Fear Factor. I'll tell you what not to do. That's one to not do. If you want to look at him riding a bull? He wrote a bull. Why? Why don't you guys call me first? I hosted Fear Factor. I'll tell you what not to do. That's one to not do. If you want to look at him writing a bull. Much better to jump off that cliff than to get on the back of a bull.

That is so much more dangerous. No, it's a legit bull. It's not no bullshit. Did he do that afterwards? So he felt bad. No, he did it. He did the bull before. No, that's why.

Maybe that's why he didn't jump in the water. Because he realized how- I'm rich. He almost got me. He's like, I'm rich as fuck. Why am I doing this? Watch this shit. Watch this shit.

Oh my God, this is Dana? Yeah, we both did it. I landed on my foot. No way, dude. Look at this. Dude, this is a real bull. This is so insane. And this thing almost got him.

Look at when he lands. Look when he lands. Look, look, look, look, look, look. Oh my God. Dude, that could have landed on him. So lucky. That's just luck. Damn.

That's just dumb luck. No, no, dude. That was not... Dude, fuck. Oh my God, that's so close. I don't crushed his hips ruined his organs Dude, this was I wouldn't do this again. That was close fuck. Yeah, no I did it to the fucking helmet couldn't fit me It was chubby. I remember we did I wasn't there for that one. We did fear factor once

It was one dude who was a bull rider and it wasn't a bull riding episode, but his shoulder He said at eight he had eight operations. He showed me a bull riding episode, but his shoulder, he said, he had eight operations. He showed me his shoulder. He's like, I can't hold on to anything with this. My arm will just pull right out of the socket. He just had the slices all over his arm. They just reconstructed him so many times. This is just

bucket list shit. I'm not doing that again. Fuck that. I'm not doing that. Yeah, fuck that. I didn't ride the bull. I did the clown, though. Yeah, you did the clown thing. Oh, you were a clown? That's even scarier. Yeah. That was close.

And it almost hit me, man. It was like... Oh, no. The hoof almost hit me. We do love that job. I know. It was a fun gig. Are you guys still doing risky shit like that?

Nah, the last time wasn't nothing like that. Yeah, it's not. They've been chilling out a lot. It's not as risky, but... Yeah, you're having fun. Yeah, we're still having fun now. It's a great idea, though. What a great idea.

You go to these small shows, you know, you guys show up, everybody's freaked out. Oh, my God, look who's here. Yeah. And then you get to do wild shit in that town. It's such a good time, man. It's a great idea for a show. Any guy, you're hanging out with your buddies. The worst was, like, Matt didn't even realize that we did it here in Austin a couple years ago.

Oh, really? I was telling people it's my first time here. He goes, we shot the show here. I'm so happy you came out because Dean didn't think you'd come out. I didn't think you'd make it. Are you kidding me? Thanks for having me. You should do a podcast.

You are so fucking good at this, man. I mean, come on, man. I'm 100%. Well, he's got- We do. We do. Yeah, but I mean- Your own podcast. Yeah, his own podcast. I mean, come on, man. Right? I'm 100%. Well, he's got- We do. We do. Yeah, but I mean- Yeah, but I can-

Yeah, it's own podcast. It's your own, the Matt Serra show. I should do a lot of things. Matt Serra's take on life. Yeah. I do my video- Do it once a week. People are making a lot of money on Twitch, and I just do it for free.

I could be making money with my VR. Yeah, man. Eventually. I'm just so- The Switch never turns off with this guy. I'm just so happy. You got a nice balance. I have such a good balance.

You're so good at this, though. We have a good time, though. The secret to our success, I think, in everything we do, Dean Thomas, even when you do the show with me, I think if we're having fun, everybody's having fun. Yeah, that's the secret to this podcast. Just have fun. That's it. All podcasts.

Yeah, it's like, you know. If you're enjoying it, other people are enjoying it. All I need is a fucking nail trimmer. Yeah, just trim them nails. All right. John Rollo, tell everybody are enjoying it. All I need is a fucking nail trimmer. Yeah, just trim them nails. All right. John Rollo, tell everybody about your gym. Yep. We're back in Baltimore.

It's called Ground Control, and it's groundcontrolbaltimore.com. And for my fight promotion is Shogun Fights. Thank you, brother, for letting me say that. My pleasure, brother. Oh, man. Dean Thomas, when are you going to be doing commentary next to us? You 100% should be doing that 100%

you should be doing I don't want to I think you guys work too much I like sitting I like sitting behind you guys and just chiming in every so often

he does great with that though I just like I just like sitting in and chiming in every so often I do love when you chime in though you always have such good points

yeah well thank you very much but I tell you what though tell the people watch tough after tough tomorrow night after tough 31. You got so many jobs. Yeah Yeah, I do the post I do the post over for the ultimate on ESPN plus Yes on ESPN so I thought after tough I do ESPN plus is the shit. I fucking love it is so many fights Yeah, I mean, I'm sometimes I have to do some shit with my family I love it I love it that it just streams around your phone yeah fucking incredible especially going back the John Rollo days when I first met you either go over

someone's house to watch it for when he beat you know when he beat george for the title we had a house full of people and when he dropped him i was like this close to the tv i'm yelling at it finish him finish him i felt like i wanted to fight when that happened i was so happy for him it was awesome man this was like a reunion man it was awesome thank you thanks for coming thank you guys and rollo thank you last minute edition thank you i mean i appreciate you even asking me on this is like a bucket list thing so even though we're boys it's it's amazing and you know i'm just happy for all your success thank you brother thank you all right guys that's it wrap it up bye Thank you.