The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #147 with Sean O'Malley & Tim Welch

Episode Date: September 29, 2023

Joe is joined by UFC Bantamweight Champion "Sugar" Sean O'Malley & coach Tim Welch.

The Joe Rogan Experience Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day And we're up Boys, when we did the first one together Was it like five years ago? Yeah, I think it was 2017, right? Or 2018? I was 2-0 in the UFC, I was just coming off the Andre Sockermann fight where I broke my foot Yeah, I was 2-0 in the UFC I was just coming off the Andre Sockermann fight Where I broke my foot

I was 23 Yeah that was just after your broken foot Yeah And now here you are The fucking champ of the world Living in a dream It's crazy because that whole fight week I always take a lot of naps fight week

Especially because it was on the east coast And we were trying to stay up late. And I would have crazy vivid dreams, not necessarily about the fight, but just really vivid dreams. And so after the fight, it just felt like I was kind of in one of those dreams. I'm like, there's no way that went out, that played out perfect. There's no way that played out literally how I wanted it to play out. So for a while, I kept thinking, like, I'm going to wake up in my literally how i wanted to play out so for a

while i kept thinking like i'm gonna wake up in my bed and still have to go out there and do that but i haven't woke up from a nap yet so we're still rolling well it makes you wonder what dreams really are yeah it's so weird that we just accept that we close our eyes every night and scenarios take place that don't really take place and they seem super vivid and and then weird things happen in them and then you wake up you're like oh that wasn't real but we just accept that there's many times where i've been in a lucid dream or many times i've been in a dream that felt so real yeah like what you're like what's going on in our heads probably a lot during a sober october

for you too because i noticed when i quit smoking weed and camp like when i get closer to the fight my dreams are so fucking vivid yeah it's kind of scary it's like a snapshot of another dimension i'm like that could that possibly be us in another dimension witnessing our life play out some other way it it could be that what you're doing is like peeking you're like every night you like peek in the dimension that's one that's one of the theories about DMT this is some sort of a chemical gateway to the next dimension or the next realm of existence and that when the lights go out and then your brain floods with that stuff your

consciousness uses that chemical as a gateway yeah i've never we've never done dmt i've i've told myself i want to do like dmt ayahuasca stuff after fighting because right now i have a mindset to i want to be world champ i want to be the greatest i want to kill in the cage but i feel like if i do something like that maybe i I switch that around. I want to wait. Yeah, it might be a problem. You might become loving. Yeah, that's literally the issue. I'm like, all right.

I still have that fucking want to kill. Yeah. Not a strong Strickland want to kill, but like in the cage, like dominate. Yeah, dominate. When we were talking to Dana too, he said Cheeto has recently started doing mushrooms when he was training and stuff.

I wonder if that has anything to do with his performances versus Sanhagen and stuff. He just looks stuck in the mud. I think it's just Sanhagen. That's what I think. Sanhagen was just way faster. He's so diverse. He's got so much going on. I love watching that guy fight because when he's going after folks, he's giving them so

many looks. There's so much going on. And you don't, it's, there's, the patterns are non-existent. I mean, sure they exist, but I'm not picking them up. Yeah. You know, you think he's going to kick, he shoots. You think he's going to punch, he kicks. There's movement to the side.

You think he's going to engage and he doesn't. Yeah, his last three fights too, he's been really wrestling a lot. So you got to think like, because I don't know, I could fight, I mean, there's been really wrestling a lot. So you've got to think, like, because I don't know. I could fight. I mean, there's a couple different people I could fight next. But, like, thinking about fighting Corey, it's like, okay, is he going to be turned into that wrestler? Or is he going to want to strike?

Or is he going to mix it up? I'm assuming, you know, going into a fight with Corey, he's going to want to mix it up a bit. But, yeah, it's interesting. He can do anything. Yeah. And the fact that he pulled that fight off with a completely torn tricep, first round, tears the tricep from the bone needs surgery and i was excited for that fight too yeah

me too i watched i mean i stopped watching at one point i think that was the same night like jake nate so i was kind of flipping back forth but yeah i was so excited for that fight i thought it was going to be one of those bangers but i mean he did what he had to do to win just yeah and just super not and It wasn't super entertaining. Yeah, I was really interested in seeing him fight Umar. Yeah. That was the interesting one. Yeah.

Fuck, I forgot that was it. Umar Nurmagomedov is a fucking, he's a problem. I want him to start, I mean, he's got the name Nurmagomedov. I don't know how many fights he has in the UFC, how many wins he has. I've actually never really watched a fight, but I know he's got the name and I know he's fucking super skilled. He trains with those guys. That could be a huge fight someday. I want him to fucking start winning some fights. I was excited for him to potentially beat Corey or for Corey to get a win over him. Just to build characters and build like big fights. That's what I want. I want big fucking fights. Well, you're gonna bring big fights. That's what's so exciting about having someone who's a champ

who's such a big personality. Yeah. And there's so many eyes on the Bantamweight division now. The Bantamweight division has always been like just a fucking murderer's row from Hennenborough to TJ Dillashaw, like across the board, Dominick Cruz. You know, God damn. I mean, Cody Garbrandt., people forget because of Cody's losses, but how good Cody is when he's on, you know?

Cody's just a guy who's been in a lot of wars, you know? Seems like he's got just injury issues too, right? A lot of injury issues. Which sucks. I remember after one of my fights I got injured, and he said some people just aren't built for this, and that didn't age well for him. But, I mean, hey, dude, I feel like I'm fragile sometimes, too.

If I didn't start working with Brandon Harris, like my strength and conditioning coach, and Dan Garner for nutrition, like, I feel like I was getting injured all the fucking time. It sucks. This sport's brutal. It's the most brutal. And there's no way to prevent that. No. You know, some people are incredible, like Jim Miller.

Yeah. Jim Miller's never had surgery. I feel like it's know, some people are incredible, like Jim Miller. Yeah. Jim Miller's never had surgery. I feel like it's their genes. It must be. It's got to be. He's got some weird fucking woodsman gene. Yeah. Some blogger gene.

Right? Like a Benson Henderson. It's crazy there's just so many different paths to make someone a champion. There's not just, there's this one way, you got to do it. No, there's just so many ways. Like Sean Strickland sparring all the time, and then I fucking literally only spar in camp. It's like just two opposite styles, both just one similar times. It's wild.

What Sean is doing is so unique, because you know, they put a mouthpiece on him. You know, the UFC had some device, I think it was a mouthpiece. Did they use it with you? Did they try to figure out how many times you get hit sparring? Well, they gave him this thing, and they found out that he spars more than all the other fighters they tested, and he gets hit less than all the other fighters they tested. He gets hit less than anybody, which is amazing.

But it's the timing. It's his distance control. He's so tuned in to the idea of hitting a person. Not just hitting a bag, not just doing drills, but all of his moves, all of his movements when he's training are hitting people. I wonder how many of his sparring partners are like, I don't even want to fucking hit him because he's just going to turn it up and it's going to be a full fight. Because there's guys you spar with and it's like, okay, if I hit this dude, we're going

to fight. He's just going to... There's no... Oh, yeah. So I wonder how many of those guys know going into sparring, like, okay, if I hit this dude, we're going to fight. He's just – there's no – so I wonder how many of those guys know going into sparring, like, okay, if I even hit him, it's going to turn into something. I might as well just kind of play around for five minutes, get to the next guy. I'm sure. But, I mean, you look at the guys. He's got talented guys he trains with, like Chris Curtis. Chris Curtis is talented.

Yeah. And really, Chris Curtis is really talented in the pocket. You know, he's really good at, like, ripping the body. His boxing is excellent. He's got really good defense. So him and Sean together, I mean, that's like just two savages. Yeah. Just good boxers, too.

And Strickland. Solid boxer. Strickland just doesn't switch stances at all. Just orthodox the whole time. Man, he's just fucking sweet to watch. And, dude, his leg checks, the checks from those kicks was so on point. Yeah, it was fucking sweet to watch. And dude, his leg checks, the checks from those kicks was so on point. Yeah, it was impressive.

None of them snuck in. The best at that of all time of sneaking kicks in is Pejeta. So scary. Yeah, it doesn't make sense the way he doesn't. It's just like his shin moves,

nothing else. It's wild. He keeps his shoulders completely square and you do not see it coming. So he sacrifices, I mean, but he's got so much power. He can sacrifice some power and it doesn't matter.

He's just doing numbers on that calf. And Izzy's leg was fucked after the first round of the second fight. You could tell. That's crazy they just added that to the co-main event for Jon Jones and Stipe. Because neither of them are champions so they're going to stack that fucking card and only have to pay out Jon Jones

because he's the champion for pay-per-view. Oh, that's interesting. That's probably why they... Look at you thinking like a businessman now. The champ thinks like a businessman. I've been thinking like a businessman. Yeah, I hear you. I feel like I've been champ for a long time.

I'm just finding the official. But yeah, no, that card's going to be fucking sweet. Who else is on that card? That's a good question. Pull it up, Jerry. I think there. Who else is on that card? That's a good question. Pull it up, Jerry. I think there's another banger on that card. They always try to stack New York City. That Madison Square Garden card is special.

There's something special about that arena. That arena gives you goosebumps just walking in. You're like, God damn. That TD Garden was fucking crazy. My first nine fights in the UFC were all in Vegas. Vegas, Vegas, Vegas. And then I fought in Abu Dhabi. And then we went to Boston.

So that was the first time fighting somewhere other than Vegas in the United States. Yeah, so those are the two big ones. And scroll down, we'll see the rest of it. Jessica Andrade, Mackenzie Dern. That's a good fight. Okay, some decents, but not what I was thinking. Jordan Mark Madsen, that's a good fight match. No, yeah, I thought there was more bangers.

Sometimes they have a nice prelim. Nice main event prelim. Yeah, what's the prelim? Go to the ESPN. McKenzie Derns, Jiggly. It would be right here if this just shows the fights. Okay. So that's what makes sense because this doesn't look like the actual order.

Because here we're talking in September. And I believe that's the main, the co-main, and probably maybe the fight before that. But they might move all this shit around. Yeah. This is just the announced fights. Yeah. Okay. That makes sense. Well, I don't think they would open up the pay-per, and probably maybe the fight before that, but they might move all this shit around. Yeah. Yeah. This is just the announced fight. Yeah. Okay. That makes sense.

Well, I don't think they would open up the pay-per-view with these matchups. I guess so. It's not even October yet, so. Right. I'm very interested to see how much Stipe's got left in the tank. You know, one of the things I really like is that he spent all this time off. So he hasn't been hit. He, you know, no punishments, no wars, no KOs.

He's been two solid years of recovery. That's huge. It's big. Even if he wasn't training crazy, but his body was able to kind of recover,

I feel like there's so much into that than just being training, training, training, training, and fucking busting yourself down. I mean,

it was just never taking anything away from DC, but I've often wondered if that KO, if some of that KO was him coming off of that fight with Francis. Because if you go watch that first round of that fight with Francis, Jesus Louisa, I mean, Francis hit him with some meteors. He's so fucking, he just opened up the gas tank too much and ran dry. But he wasn't patient.

He was just trying to take him out. He was just winging wild and burned off all his energy. But Stipe took some shots. He took some fucking shots. Yeah, Stipe forced some of those wrestling scrambles, and that just zapped Francis. I think that Stipe, Jon Jones fights can be more competitive than people think. Well, the real question is, you know, what is it like when John fights a legit heavyweight that can do everything? Yeah.

Right, because Stipe is not just like, Cyril Ghosn is a fantastic striker. I mean, he's one of the most beautiful strikers in the heavyweight division. I love watching that guy move. He does wild stuff. You ever see how he throws that front kick from a side stance, and he throws like a twisting kick? Uh-uh. He doesn't throw the front. He stands

like Southpaw, right? And he bobs around like this, and he's totally sideways, and he twists his foot out. Oh, they'll show it there. Let's see. He twists his foot out like a twisting kick if they show the front kicks to the body if he does any. He did a lot of them

against Taito Iwasa, too. Yeah, I thought him versus Jon Jones was going to be a fucking crazy war. At least kickboxing, but Jon. Jon's just so much better at wrestling. Yeah. So much better grappler. Ooh. He's so fast, man.

D. Luke, that's crazy to think, because D. Luke looked good last fight, right? The knee, he looked skinny, looked in shape. But he just doesn't have the kicking acumen. It's not his style. You could find the ones. That's him throwing kicks. He just does this weird thing where he stands sideways. And instead of the front kick going like this, like straight out,

the front kick goes like this. Oh, yeah, yeah. I know. Okay. I see what you're saying. So his knee when he lands is almost like sideways. Huh. Oh, yeah, yeah. I know. Okay. I see what you're saying. So his knee when he lands is almost like sideways. He did a lot.

Oh, that was a Tui Vassa fight. That was a crazy fight. Ty's only like 32 or something, wasn't he? Oh, my God. I thought that fucker was. He's 85 in a war. Right. Especially with the booze.

Oh, yeah. The booze and the war. He's just an animal, man. Fuck yeah. Booze will get you. Hopefully they'll show it. Oh, boom, the booze and the war. He's just an animal, man. The booze will get you. Hopefully they'll show it. Oh, boom, boom. I don't know. Uh-oh.

Yeah. But he kept stabbing him with this front kick. Oh, there's... This is like... This is the combination. Oh, my God. He was good. Yeah.

Stabbing bodies. He's just so unusual for a heavyweight, that kind of movement. There it is. See it? Yeah. That looked more like a front kick. That was of movement. There it is. See it? Yeah. That looked more like a front kick. That was definitely more like a front kick. But he'll show it totally sideways.

Just a little trick. Almost like a crescent kick or something like that, which people are starting to do now, too. I forget this dude's name, but one guy knocked a guy out in an MMA fight with an inside crescent kick. And I was always wondering. I was always wondering. I was always wondering if someone was going to be able to pull that off. Where you're standing like this and you're like that?

Yeah, you do it like this way. It's just so hard to pull off. You're moving around. Anderson tried it a few times. I'll throw an X-File. Check this out. That's nasty. Dink. That looked fucking weird. I shouted out that dude on Instagram when it happened. Uh-huh.

But what is his name, Jamie? Justin Barry. Justin Barry. Yeah, show that one more time. Because, like, from where he's standing, you kind of feel like you're safe. Oh, that was right to the fucking chin. Right, so you see how it's like he's kind of, his foot is in the center, right? So watch how he stands.

He's kind of out of place, you would think, to kick you in the face. Well, even to do the right defense, if he's doing a right teep, you're going to use your right hand, so you're going to leave that exposed. I mean, it's tricky for sure. But it's wicked. Look at how it worked. I mean, my God, that's crazy. And he did not see that coming. Uh-uh. I'll throw that up next fight. Let's go.

I will. Let's go. So, the next fight is not officially announced but you believe it'll be Chido I want it to be Chido I called that before the fight once they announced that

well Chido was supposed to fight Henry on my card so I was like I want the winner of that I want Chido versus Henry I want the winner of that if I go out there and do what I do

against Aljo Henry pulled out Pedro stepped up and I was like well if Chido wins it makes sense. That's what I want. Why has Piotr Jan been on the shelf?

He just got announced Song Yidong. Oh, when's that? I think that's sooner than later, actually. But that's fucked, Peter. Because Song's an animal. He's an animal. He's a problem. That was another great fight.

We went to see the San Hagen-Song Yidong fight at the Apex, which is incredible. Have you gone to the the san hagen song dong fight at the apex which is incredible yeah have you gone to just the apex just to watch a fight we watched the contender series there once it was fucking cool i was thinking about flying out last weekend for fazeev versus gamron i was like where was that at oh that was a that was at the apex which it's the best place to see fights man i hate the small cage it It makes me, I hate it. Big difference, right? It's so, I probably never, well, I guess it's at the apex.

I'll never fight in a small cage again. I just, it's so, it doesn't help my style. I like being able to move around as much as possible. Here's why I'm confused. Why? Why have a small cage when you own the arena? Yeah. They had a small cage back when we used to do the Pearl at the Palms.

Because it was a smaller place to put the stage. So they go, we'll just make the cage, what is it, like, 30% smaller or something? 44 or something like that. Almost, yeah, it's like, it's damn near 50%. And it feels like it. It fucking feels like it. I remember when Corey fought Aljo in the small cage. And then I brought, I said something about not wanting to fight in the small cage,

and I don't think Corey should either because of the style. And then Corey's like, oh, that's just your insecurity. I'm like, dude, you got fucking choked out in 14 seconds against Aljo. Yeah, there it is. I think they said the lighting wasn't set up. They didn't put the right lights in for the big cage when I asked them. Hey, guess what? You're the UFC.

Zero building. Guess what? You guys fucking for no reason decided to build your own arena. I'm getting a fucking full-size octagon. I'm building a warehouse on my property right now. I'm getting a full-size octagon in there too. At Tim's gym, at the MMA lab,

pretty much any gym you go to, they all have smaller gyms or smaller cages in there. And just even sparring, it's just different. It's like if you're going to be in the nba and you're playing a half court yeah it's just different well i've been advocating for no cage for a long time i would be unbeatable and no one could beat me there was this uh russian promotion that we were just watching from back in the day with um igor vovchanchin and he was

fighting some dude and it was just this big round platform jesus and it was just flat and it was just this big, round platform. Jesus. And it was just flat. And you see everything. That's sweet. The fucking eyesight. There's not a bad eyeline in the house because everybody's seeing the fight. There's no poles that are blocking the way. What was that called?

What promotion was that called? I don't know. This was in the 90s. Mr. Power Man, 1996. Mr. Power Man. What the fuck? I thought it was like recent. Yeah, show it so you can see what it looked like, Jim. It Man, 1996. Mr. Power Man. What the fuck? I thought I'd read that.

Yeah, show it so you can see what it looked like, Jamie. It's pretty dope, and that's my dream. My dream is no cage, because I think the cage is just too many elements. There's too much going on. So look at this. So there's just like a little barrier on the outside. This is only one of them that they did. Oh.

Yeah. That's only one that they did. Another one that they did was like completely Oh. Yeah. That's only one that they did. Another one that they did was like completely flat. Oh, Igor was a fucking animal, dude. That's when he was smaller. 5'8 heavyweight. No way. 5'8 heavyweight? 5'8.

Jesus. TKO'd Mark Kerr as a 5'8 heavyweight. Jeez. Oh. Yeah, see, the cage is like. Yeah. That's. Isn't that way better?

And look at how much size you would have to move around. Obviously, you wouldn't have that bullshit floor. That floor looks like the moment you sweat, you're tearing an ACL. That floor looks terrible. God, that floor sucks. It does. It sucks so bad. It's loose.

It's everything. I hate when I go to a jujitsu gym and they have, like, homemade mats. So they have, mats so they have the loose stuff. Do you guys hate grip? Do you guys hate foot positioning? Slipping

around on all that shit. Yeah, no cage would change the game. A lot of wrestlers, I feel like the only chance people, I could take it down in the open, but I feel like it's going to be a lot harder than to push me up against the cage. I mean, that's what Aljo's 100% goal was, push me up against the cage, take me down, work from there. But if there's no fucking cage, what's your fucking game plan? Also, how much fewer clinches would there be?

Yeah. It would be a huge factor. Because how many clinches take place in that weird danger zone when you're right up against the cage? Like, just grab this motherfucker. It's just there's so many moments where guys are like what, you know, and they're trying to reset and they go in for the clinch. That shit would not be available if there's no cage. If you have this big-ass basketball-sized circle in the middle of an arena and that's where the guys are fighting, it would be incredible. It would be incredible. It'd be incredible.

It's really the way to do it. Yeah. Something about the cage makes it, like, badass. I don't know what it is. Yeah. Pit bulls and glitter. Yeah. Steel deflection shirts.

Yeah. It's a dragon fucking a pit bull in the ass. Yeah. With Japanese lettering. The old school real gangster shit. I love those shirts. Yeah. Fighting in Japan would be fucking crazy. Yeah, fighting in Japan, if you're like a world champion, that's like a mecca place, right?

You know? Yeah. If you want to fight in Madison Square Garden, but fighting in Tokyo as a martial artist. That would be crazy. Saitama Super Arena, right? Oh my god. I wonder if the UFC's never done that, right? We did an arena in Japan.

I commentated at it. It was in Tokyo a few years back. It's amazing. They're so knowledgeable, and they're also, they applaud when things happen, like when someone passes the guard. They get it. They start applauding.

Yeah. They get it a little bit. I wonder why Dane or any of them haven't looked into yellow cards, where your purse gets taken from you. Well, the problem with that is it's so subjective, right? Like, let's look at this Valentina Shevchenko-Alexa Grasso rematch, where one judge scores the final round, a pivotal fight round. It's like that's what makes the fight.

One judge scores a 10-8. No one agrees with him. Literally no one agrees with him. You're like, what the fuck? Because if he didn't score a 10-8 and he just scored a 10-9. Then Valentina wins. I went back and watched it just once, but I was kind of surfing on my phone. I thought Grasso won three out of the five rounds.

But I also, like I said, I was surfing a little bit on my phone. Yeah, it's hard. It's hard to casually watch a fight. Yeah. You got to fucking. Yeah. I like watching fights with, like, Eddie Bravo taught me how to do this. Because Eddie Bravo at one point in time was doing the Max Kellerman.

Not Max Kellerman. Who's that dude, Letterman, that does it on, Harold Letterman. He's doing it on HBO fights where in between rounds, I gave that round to Davis. 10-8. And he would give like Explanation for what he thought so he was basically like an independent scorekeeper So Eddie would do that and he would say we did it for a few UFC's Or he would come in and he would talk about like we're gonna Eddie Bravo with you know What he thinks happened score was and he would take a piece of paper, and he would have two sides. Like one side would be this guy, one side would be that guy.

And he would write on the lines, like kicks, punches, takedowns, power, like power shots. I forget all of his criteria. So as he's watching the fight, he's writing things. So it's not just going on memory. I think he got them more. And he also had access to whatever stats we had at the time. Although I don't think we had the kind of stats you have

now. Now you're getting constantly updated on significant strikes. What is a significant strike? That was a weird one in Izzy and Strickland. Right? Because they were showing that there was one point where Izzy had landed more

significant strikes. I'm like, where like what yeah is a significant strike is like a leg kick that gets checked are you calling that a significant strike look what is if a guy lifts his leg up in the leg yeah he did get kicked hard but like what is it here's Eddie Barlow's Randy Silva yeah or Tim silver and really couture I Think that was a good thing to do it was also It's also a good thing to put the fucking the the actual judges on blast

I agree because like when DC and I are doing commentary you can't do commentary and score a fight you can kind of like have an idea but you're trying to be entertaining you're trying to like give life to the to what's happening and you're just reacting like oh you want to scream and swear and you just I'm doing my best to not but you can't do you should be quiet just quiet and thinking about it and you should doing my best to not. But you can't do – you should be quiet. Just quiet and thinking about it, and you should also have access to replays.

Do you think you should be that close, or should you be on a monitor where you see different angles in a room like this? I think they have monitors now. They didn't used to have monitors, which is crazy. Because the refs stand in there sometimes with a pole. I guess not a pole if you're a judge. I don't think they listen, though Like I don't think they listen to commentary

It's pretty good, which is probably good because commentary could definitely influence it Like it's someone DC trains with and it's so crazy though if you're Yeah, if you're a judge and you never felt a checked kick because when I fought Pedro I swear like I Felt his foot land on my shin and like i felt i felt like i was fucking him up when he was kicking me and then the judges obviously gave him the first round he didn't punch me in the face once i had more significant strikes but he was landing leg kicks but i was checking them i feel like i fucked his feet up from checking kicks

and they gave him the round which which, but it's just like they probably never checked a kick or threw a kick in their life, so it doesn't, but these guys are making this such an important decision. Yeah, Chris Lieben, he's making his Nevada judging debut. That'd be interesting. I think he already did. Yeah, and he's already been a referee. He's been a referee for quite a while now.

He's doing, which is great. Did he make his debut last fight, or is he going to? No, he did. Yeah, last weekend. Oh, okay. On the fight card. Damn, that's probably a lot of pressure on him.

Everyone's looking at it like, how'd you score it? How'd you score it? Right, yeah. Man, there's some crazy stories about Lieben back in the day. Oh, he's a wild man. Just getting fucked up

the night before fights. Really? Yeah. Yeah. Being drunk at the... Casino? The slots and stuff. Robert Falls would tell me

And then go out and win Oh He could crack though Fuck yeah He could crack Remember when he knocked out Vanderlei? Oh Remember that fight?

Yeah Holy shit Chris Lieben had a hammer Of a left hand I mean a hammer Especially when he was hurt Yeah There's some guys

That just fucking Have just some kind of stupid fucking power. Mm-hmm. You know, there's some Paul Daly dudes out there that just go. Yeah, he's fun to watch. He's interesting because he's orthodox left-handed, right? Yes. So that's kind of, he throws that fucking crazy left hand.

That's fun to watch. Yeah, he's. I hope Michael Venom Page comes to the UFC. I know there's a lot of talks. I believe they're going to get that. That be make that division so interesting. Oh, yeah, he's so far handful He's so difficult cuz like that style and I always said that that that was gonna be the next That's gonna be the next factor in MMA is he's point karate guys Like one of these point karate guys really figures out everything else. Mm-hmm

They become dedicated to become an actual MMA fighter. That's blitz thing that they do guys like one of these point karate guys really figures out everything else and they become dedicated to become an actual mma fighter that's blitz thing that they do yeah it's so different it's so hard to deal with well that's gonna be interesting steven thompson versus uh um shofcott shofcott that's gonna be fun to watch that is gonna be fun to watch but shofcott can grapple too yeah shoovko's a lot. That motherfucker can do everything. I watched a documentary on him recently, like his come up from when he turned pro. The second he turned pro, he was fighting good, good guys.

First, second, third. He didn't have any easy fights. Wow. Yeah, he was fighting fucking killers. He's interesting, man. I wonder how many people the UFC's already, I mean, I don't know if they can be in talks but because Bellator is going away right yeah well they're gonna merge with the PFL allegedly apparently I read something from shot tree the one I've see apparently they offered them Bellator to and they were at point one point considering it I guess but Dana White

was like what do you get the thing is saw that. I was like, what are you getting? The thing is, she's right. Here's the thing. There's no pay-per-view. Maybe they can develop a pay-per-view model, but you need stars. And the UFC has always had stars. The UFC is always going to have pay-per-views. And we can't wait to watch them.

It's not like convincing someone. You know, like this fight. Like, Yuri Prohaska, Alex Bejeda, John Jones, and Stevie... Take my money. Even that December card that's coming together. Fucking Tony Ferguson, Patty. Woo! Fucking, I think that's Stephen Thompson, Rockknock.

Leon Edwards. Leon Colby. And Colby Covington. Fuck. There's Brandon Royval versus Pantoja. Oh, that's right. That's on that card, too. Yeah. Oh, my God. Man, Tony Ferg, though. Six fight, losing streak. Six. I know. Brandon Royval Versus Pantoja Oh that's right That's on that card too Yeah

Oh my god Man Tony Ferg though Six fight Lose in street Six fight I know Crazy I feel like it's the

Lose-lose for Patty Cause even if he wins It's like Tony's fuck is still dangerous But he's not gonna get the credit You know Tony looked good in his last fight He looked good

I mean he didn't look like The Tony of old Who did he fight again? Um Didn't he fight Bobby Green? Yeah that's right. Yep. Yeah.

And Bobby Green's a motherfucker. Well, even Tony versus Michael Chandler. Well, Tony wasn't looking too bad until he ate that fucking heel. Go back to that card, Jamie, please. Look at that. Vicente, Luca. Vicente, Luca versus Ian Machado, Gary's a crazy fight. That is a sick fight.

And they trained at the same gym, so I wonder how much they sparred. Oh, they probably sparred a ton. Yeah. God, sparring and fighting, though, are so fucking different. At least for me. I feel like, because when I spar, it's like I crack people and I hurt them and it changes the fight. But in sparring, it's like I'm not necessarily trying to fucking crack you. So it's like sparring is going to play out way different than if it was a fight.

Right. And it depends how you spar, though. But I feel like it's just such different sport. ko artists for sure yeah for ko artists yeah but for like volume guys yeah that's probably pretty true or it's probably super similar sparring like that's where you get that's where i get injured like for the most part just sparring it's not usually too bad like it's i kick someone's fucking elbow last, six weeks before my last fight, and my fucking left toe,

I have a turf toe, and it still fucking hurts. Just from kicking an elbow hard as, because I'll throw teeps and body shots as hard as you can in sparring. Like, you're gonna be alright.

So I whipped a fucking teep and landed it on an elbow, and I fucking swear my foot, my toe turned the other way. It didn't, but that shit still hurts to this day. You remember John Jones versus Chael Sonnen.

He still has to tape his toes up. I believe it. He has to tape his big toe to his little toe just to hold it in place while he fucks people up. Yeah. That sounds fucking funny. It's funny. I gotta tape my toes before I fuck you up.

But he has to. Otherwise, it's just like it's so torn apart that I guess it just doesn't hold anymore. That was the first fight you didn't wrap your ankles against Aljo, right? We weren't allowed to in Boston. But, yeah, I didn't wrap them. I didn't feel like I needed to either. Like, I felt my shit was good.

But usually I like to get a little fucking. And that probably gives him grip on his single legs and stuff. Yeah, before the fight, you're like, hey, let's not even give him that little bit. Because wrestling, like, I'll grapple or wrestle with really fucking high-level wrestlers. We have so many fucking good guys we train with. Get in on a single leg, I'll limp leg out. But wrestlers are used to being able to,

when someone tried to limp leg or use that shoe to kind of hold on. And fighting, they're just, I mean, unless you have your ankles wrapped. Who was the fight? I think it was Luque versus RDA. In between rounds, they took off his ankle wraps. Did that happen?

I think, yeah, I think that was right before we fought Aljo, too. Took off the ankle wraps because he was using it as a little grip. Even that little tiny advantage. It makes a difference. Yeah. It makes a difference. You know, like Eddie Bravo used to always say uh say like you wear as much as you can on your legs it'll make your guard more dangerous like in jiu-jitsu tournaments like and in fighting

like frank mear used to try to wear these long ass knee sleeves like if you could wear long knee sleeves and shorts another couple guys did george satiropoulos did that he basically almost had pants on like he had knee sleeves and then above the knee sleeves, he had, like, tights where the shorts were. So there's so much friction, and that would aid you. And so if you've got that shit on your ankles, for sure that's going to aid a guy grabbing your ankle, even if it's just for that minor adjustment.

Fuck. Yeah. I was worried about that fight. I was like, these motherfuckers. I mean, even against, like, Peter Jan, I was like, okay, it's fucking, I can beat this dude. But Aljo, I knew I could beat Aljo, too, but I was like, this dude's fucking dangerous. Like, he's fucking, especially the tear he's been on, just beat Henry Cejudo. So the dude's fucking in his prime.

Like, this motherfucker's dangerous. And to choke Sanhagen out the way he did. That was one of my, like, when you think about fights going good or bad, Like, this motherfucker's dangerous. And to choke Sanhagen out the way he did. Oh, God. That was one of my, like, when you think about fights going good or bad, one of the things I'm thinking about is bad, especially when you've seen it happen. Like, you know he can do that. He did it recently. Yeah.

So I'm like, I just don't want to get embarrassed and just be that guy. I just don't want to. Corey's got to live with that forever. Yeah. And that sucks. Yeah. I mean sucks. Yeah. I mean, obviously, we all know how good Corey is, and that probably wouldn't happen again, but it doesn't matter if it would or wouldn't happen again.

It fucking happens. I think sometimes when things like that happen, it just changes your approach to fighting and steals your mind, and I think that's what it did with him, and he just became way better. Yeah. Corey Sanhagen that we think of now, like the guy who wheel kicked Marlon Marais. Yeah.

Like, that's a different Corey. Frankie Edgar Knee. Frankie Edgar Knee. That's one of the nastiest. He's an animal now. He's a fucking animal. He's just, he flows in there. Mm-hmm.

You know, but, like, that fight, like, and then it's crazy, like, Marlon Marais, dude. At one point in time, Marlon Marais was the motherfucker. Gosh, for, like, this long. That's all you got sometimes He was so big for the division and fucking super jacked and his striking was nasty Mm-hmm, and when he knocked out Alja with that switch kick Yeah, who is his left high kick off the switch was more last hours of shot into his knee. That's right. Yeah He shot in the same time. Oh, I'm gonna find that Jamie that yeah he shot into his knee thought he was dead you know what's funny

I was actually at that fight and I was I don't know where I was at in my career but I think I was only one fight in maybe but I was at that fight and watched that

and I hadn't really been to fights before and I was just watching the stands as like just a normal fucking wasn't sitting in the UFC section I was just

and I was like oh fuck he died he was out for five, 10 million. It was scary. That's always the scary ones, right?

When someone's running in and then the other guy catches him with a knee or a kick, like fucking Cyborg and Michael Venn and Page. Oh, that's gross. Oh, that was the worst one ever.

It's a car crash. That makes you question, do I still want to do this? People don't know what we're talking about. Michael Venn and Page, we were just talking about earlier, who's just so phenomenal, caught this guy Cyborg. Not Cyborg that you think of like Chris Cyborg, but her husband is also Cyborg, which must have been a fucking confusing household.

Oh, god damn. And he crushed his skull. So with that, him moving in and that knee landing perfectly. The pain he was in. It literally fractured the front of his skull and they had to have it. Look, he's got a dent in his skull. Look how shattered it was. That's insane.

Insane. That looks like a video game type shit. Insane. Now, also, what does that do to your brain? Yeah, that's not good. What's going on in there? And he was like, I'll be back. And everybody's like, dude, hang on.

I think that might be a wrap. Yeah, especially if you have kids. Like, I know once I had a baby, I'm like, you think a little bit different. It's like, okay. Well, that's why you can't do ayahuasca. Not yet. Because you think of everybody as you. Oh, yeah.

Fuck. Yeah, just chew Adderall and punch people. I've never done it. Well, I think I might havew Adderall And punch people I've never I've never done Well I think I might have done Adderall once I've never done it But I'm like

I don't really need to I think I like it Yeah yeah exactly Tim always tries to get me doing it Oh yeah Liar Oh my god He went right into that

Yeah That was a crazy one Yeah Now he went on like a fucking Eight fight losing streak too Didn't he Yeah you know what happened? Henry

Yeah Henry got him in that second round That is Go to the first round See if you can find Marlon Marais Versus Henry Cejudo Round one

Just find the fight And we'll watch the So the first round Marlon is Fucking Henry's legs up Yeah I mean he's just Looks incredible

He looks like a world champion Muay Thai fighter Yeah And then Henry made the adjustments Marlon gassed the fuck out Yeah Oof I mean, he just looks incredible. He looks like a world champion Muay Thai fighter. Yeah. And then Henry made the adjustments. Marlon gassed the fuck out. Yeah. But, dude, he looks so good. It's just Marlon couldn't keep up the pace.

And I often wondered, I wonder how much of it had to do with Marlon cutting weight. Because he was so big. Yeah. That guy never looked like a 135 pounder. He always looked like a featherweight. God, he's just so short, though, for the division, too. For bantamweight? I mean, I guess not short for the division, but he's only

I mean, Henry's like fucking, what, 5'3"? Yeah. Henry's so fun. I feel like Henry's obviously good as fuck, but I feel like he thinks he's a little bit better than he is when he was trying to teach Habib how to fucking throw kicks, and Habib, remember that video? Yeah, I've never seen

that. He was trying to teach Habib something, and he was, like, landing a kick with his foot on Habib's knee, and Habib was like, what are you doing here? It was funny. Hmm. But yeah, I remember watching this fight, because I didn't know if I was going to fight Henry or Aljo. I was kind of preparing for both. So I was watching, I remember watching this fight because I didn't know if I was going to fight Henry or Aljo. I was kind of preparing for both.

So I remember watching this fight back thinking, like, fuck, he made some good adjustments. There was a good leg kick by Henry there, but Marlon caught him with some great counters. Look at that right there. Just look at that counter left and then the right hand over the top. The left body kick. Sharp. And then starting to really put it on Henry in these exchanges. Every one of these exchanges, he's the guy who's getting off the hardest shot.

And that fucking switch kick he does is so pretty. That switch kick off the left leg. If you got a fast one, like an Edson Barbosa one, it's such a dangerous weapon. I never saw anybody throw it faster than Barbosa. Yeah, dude, it's fucking slick. He's at 45 now, right? Yeah. Isn't that weird?

It is weird, yeah. I don't like when people go down like that. It's hard. It's like Frankie when he went down later in his career. BJ went down. It's just like. Cub Swanson tried to go to 35 for one fight, too. Yeah, it just crushes you.

And especially as you get older, I think it's even more punishing and more difficult to come back 24 hours after such a brutal weight cut and fight. Those weight cuts are not fucking good for you. Remember not long ago, remember the commissions would start at 24 hours before the event would start? Yeah. That was right before I got in the UFC. I'm so fucking glad they changed that and we could weigh in at 9 a.m. It's a game changer. Yeah.

Well, really what they should figure out how to do is not have weight cutting. Really, the best thing to do would be to have more weight classes and to just eliminate that whole bullshit. It's crazy. I wonder what Aljo would fight at then because, like we were talking about earlier, that motherfucker gets up to 170 pounds. I bet he'd fight at 165. 165. That's that's crazy yeah that's what i think you would fight at i think that fight at 155 actual 165 pound guys yeah look i mean i'm not disparaging anybody doing it because it's part of the sport but it's sanctioned cheating yeah that's what it is you're not

really 135 pounds like i'll just not 135 pounds not 135 pounds. I do find advantages in there because I know I'm doing it right. I know I'm doing it as scientific, as healthy as possible, and as disciplined as I possibly can where I know other guys aren't. Like, I don't think Aljo did his weight cut better than I did and the rehydration. I have the team around me to fucking make sure we're doing it perfect to where I don't think a lot of fighters are. They're just doing it. I know how to make weight.

I'm going to fucking get it off, and I'm going to fucking just. How much of a relief is it for you when that's over, the camp's over, the fight's over, and then you just. How long do you just eat whatever the fuck you want? Well, yeah, in camp. We just had Terry Black's barbecue. Yeah, yeah. No, I definitely, especially when I'm traveling, it's not like.

If we're traveling, I'll get a cheeseburger i'll fucking you know not be super disciplined but when i go back home i try to still keep it keep it clean like we'll still eat have something good for dinner but right now i'm dealing with this little this little back injury and i'm like i know if i eat the worse i eat the longer it's going to take to heal right so i've been trying to like this last week i would i would do like a 24-hour fast like i don't need to eat i'm not really working out um and then if i did eat we were eating really clean so but after a fight a couple weeks i just don't give a fuck but i'm it's still not like snickers and fucking skittles and shit like that um you see guys like patty who you know saying that like he's kind of really developed an eating disorder because it's like the cut is so hard that after it's all off,

all he wants to do is eat whatever the fuck he wants and drink. Yeah, even when you're full, it's like, but I don't have to make weight. So you mentally trick yourself, and there's definitely something there. You've got to crash diet 30 pounds in eight weeks. You've got to be so strict, and you've got to train twice a day, so you're starving going to these sessions. So you for sure cause an eating disorder. Yeah.

Yeah. It only makes sense. It only makes sense. I mean, because it's like how much, like wrestlers too especially, like how much of your time is fixated on losing weight? It's like a big part. We had Kurt Anglund, which is an amazing podcast. Did you listen to it?

Yeah. When he was talking about how he weighed 199 pounds and he didn't want to cut weight to make 198, so he just wrestled heavyweight. He's like, I think I could beat him anyway. I was like, what an animal. Yeah. So he's like, plus, I ate whatever I wanted. I trained however I wanted. I was always recovering.

There's something to that. Because there was a video of him beating this dude who was 270 pounds in a wrestling match. What a stud. Yeah, fuck yeah. What a stud. I don't need to lose a pound. Not even a pound. Most people are like, I can lose a pound.

How hard is it to lose a pound? That last camp, about two and a half, no, probably three weeks out, I had some meat that did not sit well with my stomach. I had diarrhea bad for like 10 days to the point where i was getting a little worried i'm like okay because i was looking to step up and it's like you've had if you have diarrhea for like more than two or three days or whatever it's like probably got a parasite or some shit for 10 days every single night i would wake up two to three times right when i woke up in the morning i have to fucking shit my brains out it was and but my weight came down real fast so that i was like

well i guess that's a benefit because i was like 155 156 and then by the end of those 10 days i was walking around like 152 i was like well that worked out but that sucked remember that it's crazy for that camp too because usually we'd be working a lot on the wall a lot of different stand-ups a lot on our guard developing the guard normal platas and stuff instead of giving up your back but we literally didn't get to grapple zero yeah five weeks out six weeks out to the day from the fight but yeah it could have been beneficial because we were doing a lot of mitts i was just hitting mitts hitting mitts shadow boxing boxing focusing on not getting grabbed and what did you have it in your head saying if i get grabbed i'm dead it's life well i was going into that fight when I was 100% healthy six weeks

before the fight got announced. I'm like, it's life or death if he grabs me. Not because I don't think I can grab him but that's the mindset I want because that's really going to make it to where I'm not going to let and if he does grab me I'm going to do everything I'm fucking capable of.

That's why I try to, I mean, I feel like I got out of that so fast. Like the longer we're here the better it is for him. But yeah, so we went into that fight. Life or death if he grabs me and then when I got that injury I was like, it's just went into that fight. Life or death if he grabs me. And then when I got that injury, I was like, it's just that times fucking 10.

I cannot let this motherfucker touch me. So what was the extent to this? I had a muscle strain in between my ribs, and I couldn't even get into like a light clinch. I don't know. It fucking just, yeah, it hurt so bad. I haven't even tried to grapple since the fight yet too because I'm dealing with this little back injury right now.

But I'm hoping by now it should be good the muscle strains are fucked the ones in between the ribs are so hard and sometimes people tear the cartilage as well did you get an mri i did get an mri i didn't tear anything that i remember i think it was just a muscle strain but like we gave it a couple weeks to say all right let's just see if it'll heal in a couple weeks and then try to grapple again tried to grapple in just the littlest kind of together movement couldn't do it which sucked because that was the fight i had the most mental demons going in because i was like i'd like to be able to grapple you know i'd like to be able to fucking grapple going because even for all fight week i told the whole team like i don't want to do anything to where i feel this because i'm in my

mind it's fixed. I'm good I haven't heard it in a couple weeks. I Convinced myself that it was a hundred percent fine and so I'll fight week. We didn't even clinch once no grab no zero exchanges I Take a Michael Jordan type athlete though just to have that kind of pressure going against this guy Who's the best on the fucking planet and just being in the moment and not worrying about that i mean fucking impressive yeah well the result was amazing that was probably one of the prettiest right hands i've ever seen in my life floating back too i mean it's literally like muhammad ali sunny liston you know yeah steps back away bam that

was crazy on the td garden too that was was cool. Boston. That was wild because that was my first main event. And every time I fought, I always felt like it was a big deal on the card, like the sugar show was there. But when we were in Boston, that arena was 99% sugar, 1% Aljo, if that. Like the fuck you Aljo chants were louder than them cheering me on. I felt bad at some point. point Hello, God, isn't it crazy that it's all because of the way he won the title by disqualification, which is not his fault at all Not his fault at all. Other than that everybody liked him. It's crazy That no one had any problem with him up until that fight like everybody loved Aljo when he choked out Sanhagen Everybody loved Aljo like Aljo was out sanhagen everybody loved aljo like

aljo was the man and then he gets fouled yeah and like legitimately got fouled and his neck was up before he went into that fight he's had a up now he has dis replacement in his neck so he's got an artificial disc in his neck because of an injury that he had and then pewter yan hits him with that knee to the head on the ground. It's crazy how that knee changed so many people. Like, my career, I ended up fighting Peter instead of Peter being champ,

and just, like, it's crazy how that one mistake Peter made, and now he's on a fucking three-fight losing streak. Crazy. Or four, maybe. Crazy.

Yeah, that is wild. The Song Yudong fight is not, that's not a gimme. It's gonna be a sick fucking fight, though. That guy can crack. He keeps getting better, too. Song of Donkeys.

He's young, right? 24, 25? He got robbed recently in California. Oh, yeah, I saw that. I already saw him talking about it. Scary shit, dude. At a gas station. God.

If only those guys knew. I mean, I guess if you got a gun, like, no, there's not much you can do, but. Not much you can do. We saw this weekend that one comedian died. Yeah. I didn't see that. Is comedians in depression, is that a pretty common thing? Oh, yeah, for sure.

I didn't know this guy, but everybody at the club last night was so sad. Yeah. He was my friend David Lucas' opening act. Yeah. A lot of people knew him. It was a bummer. I did not know him, but he took his own life, apparently. Yeah. A lot of people knew him. It was a bummer. I did not know him, but he took his own life,

apparently. Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah, it's like, there's a lot of the reasons why people want to do comedy is because they want, they want a moment in their life

where it's fun. And if they can make other people laugh, so at least for that moment, it would be fun. Like, this guy was one of the greatest of all time, Richard Jenny. He took his own life. He shot himself in the bathtub.

And then he didn't die. They had to take him to the hospital. No. He died at the hospital, yeah. But he was one of the best comedians ever. And just hated life. He was so depressed. Just the fact that everybody all the comics

worshiped him like when he was in the room everybody would come in and watch jenny like oh my god jenny's on stage let's go watch jenny he was so good he did this one club uh in long island called east side comedy club and uh this guy peter who was the host we were all sitting around after the show and and Peter was depressed. I said, why are you depressed? He goes, he did four different hours. He goes, he did two different hours on Friday and two different hours on Saturday and just destroyed.

And you would think a guy who's that good at the top of his game just killing it. Like, the guy's on the top of the world. He's probably so happy. Everybody loves him. Meanwhile, guy kills himself Yeah, I was watching this Deion Sanders a little documentary on YouTube and he tried to kill himself after they went in the Super Bowl Yeah, I try to drive his car off a cliff like oh my god. Yeah, that was great I didn't really know much about Deion Sanders primetime

But that dude fucking played in the MLB and NFL at the same time in the same seasons. He was signing like one-off contracts to go play with the fucking team. Then he'd fly in a helicopter to the football game. That was a fucking, I didn't realize how good of an athlete he was. Imagine a guy like that taking up MMA. Oh, yeah.

You know, because there's like calibers of athletes that I think just automatically go into the NFL or the NBA. You know, they go where the real money is. Yeah, yeah. They don't have that desire to fight. Some people just have this desire to fight. Yeah. And some guys are just competitors.

But if you can get one of those like super elite NFL running back guys, there's guys out there that are freaks. Yeah. Yeah, I wonder what deon wade like he probably wasn't like he didn't look he doesn't look huge yeah he would have been a but fighting you just gotta there's something just different than competing in nfl i mean i don't know there's some crazy motherfuckers that compete in the nfl like ray lewis those guys want to fucking take your head off yeah nfl that was my first love my first dream my first like that's what I wanted until I realized

I'm just a little fucker that isn't happening but I wanted to be I want to run out every Sunday with the boys and like wow but

damn it maybe in another life it's weird with those those people that get those high highs like not many people experience the depression that comes after it

how to deal with it what goes up comes down so even after the fights try not to like fucking don't get too excited because i know it's like just try to kind of live that around that zero like right around or just balance yeah just stay calm just kind of stay there but i mean yeah no it is hard because those highs all fight week everyone wants to fucking talk to you you're're the fucking man. Then you win, and then it's like the next week you're just kind of at home, just like sitting around. It's like, whoa. It is weird.

But then the plunges and stuff help you. Yeah, having to fucking learn how to deal with that stuff and still working out, having to work out. It's crazy because I haven't worked out really much since the last fight, just trying to heal everything up, prepare for, you know, kill next year. Are you saying the plunge is mentally? The plunge is helping mentally? I think so, for sure.

Cold plunge? Yeah. I think mentally, I don't know what it is about it, but I think it is just not wanting to do it and then fucking doing it and getting out. There's something about that. And then the physical benefits and all that shit. But the plunges definitely fucking help me mentally just stay fucking kind of grounded. Yeah.

I mean, the happiness you get from training fucking hard and then doing the plunge, knowing it's good for you and how good it makes you feel, it's like there's just something about it, dude. Yeah. Yeah, and it just wrings all the bullshit out of your brain. Yeah. Just all the dumb shit that's in there that like you would just let bounce around if you didn't work out or you didn't cold plunge or something like that i feel like the morning

routines too like i can i notice because i right after the fights i'm my discipline of because i'm just like all out 100 discipline i'm gonna do what i need to do to be perform that night but right after the fight the next week or two i'm like i'm gonna just fucking kind of just maybe lay in bed a little bit longer do that but once you get back to my morning routine where i got my red light my pemf machine my cold plunge um all that stuff and i just do that i go in there for like 30 minutes in the morning just fucking prepare for the day you ever you ever use those pemf machines no what is it fucking pulse electric magnetic field is that what it's called yeah it's like two mats i mean i i saw it on tony robbins he was waking it up one day did a mat and it covers and it pulses all these like electrical

through boom boom boom gets the cells moving and stuff good for inflammation in the body i fucking love it you feel the difference i fucking love it i really do i feel i like it do you like the experience of just doing it or do you like the benefits i like the way it feels too um and i do feel it does feel kind of cool but it's it's i like the benefits i like the way it feels too um and i do feel like it does feel kind of cool but it's it's i like the i feel like there's benefits i feel like the the cells especially if you read the benefits and then you really kind of just tell yourself like okay this is what this is what's happening scotty from uh mexico told us about it and told us how good it was yeah with the inflammation stuff so we looked into it we got some pretty

high-powered machines but we were hanging out with dana a couple weeks ago and just both you guys just have such like this good high energy it's like motivating to be around for sure fucking pretty badass especially seeing you kill on stage and then even before like having that good energy and you already did a show then you're in the green room fucking just feel like it's you don't see many guys even younger than you or our age that have that energy. It's powerful to be around. Being around Dana, too, just fucking fires you up. Yeah, he's healthy.

One of the things I always tell comics is, because a lot of comics, they eat poorly. They don't exercise. They're lazy. I always tell them, you have more energy. Your body is your vehicle for carrying you through life. It's not a vanity thing. It could be a vanity thing, but don't think about it that way. Think about it like you can actually soup up your race car.

You want something that can do things that other ones can't. Have the energy to do two shows easy. There's no problem. I did four shows last night. Jesus. Two shows in the little room. So I did two of those improvised shows, the bottom of the barrel shows, and then I did two hours in the big room.

Damn. That's fucking sweet. I can see how just being in that green room, like, crave that every night. Or at least a couple times a week, just fucking going in there, bullshitting with the guys, watching some comedy. That was so fun to be around. Well, I was telling Sugar, I'm like, because how old are you now? 56. 56. Like, bro, that's going to be around. I was telling Sugar, I'm like, because how old are you now? 56.

56. Like, bro, that's going to be us when we're 56. Healthy, revving up, ready to fucking go. I'm a canary in a coal mine, kids. I'm hoping,

I'm hoping when I'm 56 I'm fucking revving up like that. Well, when you're 56 you won't be fighting. Nope. So when you're 56 you can take testosterone and peptides

and that's the big thing. The big thing is people don't want to do that because they think it's cheating. Like, listen, you don't have much time. This life goes by really quick. I was your age when I came to Hollywood, and it just seemed almost like yesterday. It just fucking goes by. All of a sudden, you're mean. Obviously, it doesn't because when you look back at those memories and who you used to be

It's interesting to compare yourself, but at the end of the day it doesn't stop Yeah, every day comes whether you wanted to or not. You can't hit pause It doesn't exist So it just goes and goes and goes and if you fucking slip and if you if you let it go If you don't do what you should do, you'll have a life of regret. That's what I'm trying to remind myself, too. I'm like, I'm 28 right now. I got into UFC when I was 22.

So it's like it's already been that long. I basically have that time again until I'm probably going to retire and be done. And it went by so fast. And I need to make sure, too, right now, especially because you get so many opportunities to go do things. To just keep reminding myself, what's the goal? What's what's the goal what's the goal just to fucking keep training and for the next six seven years just be as fucking good as i can be because i'm gonna be fucking 40 and going god damn it do you think you'll know when to stop do you think do you do you have like an idea in your head like is it a number or is it when your body just doesn't feel it

anymore i'm gonna i would like to yeah i mean if all goes well i think if i'm healthy it's gonna be hard if i'm healthy it would be hard to stop fighting but but why would you stop if you're healthy that's a good point i mean i I mean, I would want you to stop if I see performance slipping. Yeah. There's something about, you know, when you watch fights as much as I watch fights, and you've seen certain guys for as long as I see, I kind of have like a, it's almost like I know what they do. So I see them, and I a like a mold that i can

put them in so like when i see guys moving different and i see guys slowing down and i see guys throwing one two and then not reacting on the counter shot and not throwing the counter kicks is his legs gone is his knees fucked why he moving? I start to see it. And you just, they look kind of the same, like the same guy, but in my mind, in the mold, these things don't, they don't fit anymore. So I go, okay, there's been a change. What about Izzy's last fight? Because I don't think he's necessarily, he looked like that last fight.

He looked like he was stuck in the mud. Yeah. But I don't know if he's necessarily going downhill. Last night, we talked about that last night. We talked about that last night. That might have been an issue. This could be multiple issues. It could be just a weird physical thing.

Maybe he just woke up and he just didn't feel good, which does happen. Yeah. It would suck a fat dick if that happened on a world title fight against a guy who's been talking mad shit about you. Calling you a slut for China. Oh, my God. But it can happen to people where you're just flat. Yeah. I'd be curious to see him come back.

I know. Also, before we say any of that, Sean Strickland looks so fucking good. I don't know if that was Izzy being flat. It might be that he underestimated him. Yeah. Chris Curtis says, like, all the time people come in, good-ass kickboxers come in, and Sean Strickland just frustrates them, pressures them so much, doesn't let off the gas pedal, defends all their hard shots and keeps pressuring them.

He says he makes a lot of guys look bad like that. That's sweet. Dude, I think he's also got that front kick to the body off the left leg that people aren't talking about. That was so important. It was so important because he's standing like this straight up, and you don't know when it's coming, and every now and then he's stabbing you in the gut. And he doesn't throw a lot of kicks,

but he throws a very effective left front kick, and his fucking checks are on the money. Yeah, you could tell Izzy, like, you could almost hear it even on the TV. Like, he would land those stabbing kicks. And that motherfucker spars like that so often that he's composed. It's just another day. It's another day. He doesn't get tired. In the fifth fucking round, I was watching his stomach in between rounds, flat.

Just standing there, drinking water, flat. Like 50, 60 beats a minute. I'm like, this is crazy. This guy's calm and relaxed in the fifth fucking round of his first world title fight against one of the greatest of all time a guy who just did dominated and had that incredible speech Yeah, no one time. I want you to feel this one time in your life I was probably the coolest moment for me ever. That was crazy down para. Yeah, fucking the arrows

greatest celebration Fired up greatest celebration. Yeah, that was good. That arrows. Come on. Oh, God. Greatest celebration. Fired up. Greatest celebration of all time. Yeah, that was good. That was fucking good. You made me want to cry for him. Did you see DC posted how many UFCs he headlined? And it was fucking insane within like five, six years. Maybe that had a factor too.

Maybe it's just an overload factor. Maybe he takes six months off, gets recharged. Well, I was talking to UFC recently, and we just bullshit, and they're like, Izzy's constantly, same with Volkanovski, asking, let me fight, let me fight, let me fight, let me fight. I asked him, I said, do you think he's going to want to chill for a little bit? And they're like, fuck no. Fuck no.

I could call him tomorrow and say, hey, you want to fight on MSG? And he'd say, yes, please. Like, how much is his five-round training camps changing after the eighth one? Yeah, do you still fucking do what you did in the first one? They go hard over there at City Kickboxing. Fuck. It's an amazing gym. Yeah, Eugene seems like a cool motherfucker.

Eugene Barrowman is the fucking man. He's got to be up there with the greatest. He's the fucking man. Yeah. And he's so calm and composed and rational. Yeah. The way he gives corner advice. The way he talked, even in the post-fight press conference when he talked about it.

It's like he's so composed. He's so good. There's a cool video when I fought Peter going into the first round going into the second round for Tim saying, hey, when you're southpaw, faint low, throw that left hand over the top in the first minute into that. You literally see it play by play of what I did to crack Peter. Boom. And then the second round going into the third round, Tim was like, trust that knee up the middle.

It's there. And that's what fucking cut Peter. So corner advice is fucking huge. And a lot of times you watch fights and you hear corners like just talking to talk because they feel like they have to say something. So they're just kind of just making shit up instead of like saying something that's fucking truly going to be important. Not over talking.

Saying what you need to fucking say. And let the corner breathe. I'm not trying to listen to a fucking bunch of shit. Tell me a couple things that I need to know and then let me get my fucking heart rate down. That's what Tim does a really good job of. Well, you guys have such an amazing relationship because you were both there at the very beginning. Like when the two of you came in five years ago, I i'm like what a cool thing you guys have going on because tim is so knowledgeable and so focused and also a great martial artist himself so he's watching all these aspects of your training with

with a in another mind like an objective mind that's not experiencing it outside of it looking at all the aspects of what you need to do and because you guys sync together so well it's such a massive advantage huge i feel like i feel like it truly is yeah when i see other coaches out there and fighters i just feel like even if they've got a good relationship it's like we hang out every single fucking day we podcast together we do everything together we'll go grab lunch hang out with our girls together travel and do everything together train together and it's just i feel like there's like a chemistry there that a lot of fighter coaches don't have because we're like best friends too it's not a coach

but yeah in the training room when we're hitting mitts sparring days it's like you know we turn that on and it's it's good it must be awesome for you tim because you took a giant risk in your life doing this dedicating yourself to one athlete you know and other athletes too but I mean you're you're it's like a big thing man you did yeah I think I've just loved like loved the sport and loved martial arts and all the different arts so much and then getting to live with Robert Follis and seeing another guy who's so passionate about it and I miss that dude get to live with him and saw I like looked up to him so much I'm like I feel like i'm literally living my my dream job so i feel lucky that's so awesome yeah you

naturally were all because when you were still fighting you you were you were like still trying to get in the ufc you were in bellator you went on ultimate fighter but every time i had a fight coming up for like a couple weeks you'd kind of switch into coach mode like without us it just kind of naturally happened it was just it wasn't really planned it was like all right now you're now you're in the corner now you're the coach such a cool situation just happened it just literally fucking happened and he'd hold mitts for me and it's it's fucking wild yeah again though it's like it doesn't matter how good of a coach you got like the athletes that can go in there be in the moment be calm and make it happen it's like

that is so fucking rare and i don't know where that came from with you but i remember seeing you when you're 17 years old kickboxing in the cage and you look comfortable in there like you were just having fun and then i saw him when he when i was 18 i saw him fight this wrestler still just having fun in there and that's when i invited him down and yeah every single fight like even you said against aljo like how are your nerves or peter yan and abu dhabi who butchers people he he doesn't just beat people he fucking cuts them and beats the fuck out of them and you were just stone cold in the locker room it's crazy too when we were coming up it was 330 a month rent a piece we had a shitty apartment just fucking those memories were so crazy they vivid, too, and it was so much fun.

We just stayed in this shitty apartment. I had never lived with anybody other than my parents. So he had to like, hey, dude, do your fucking dishes. You know, I'm like, oh, yeah. Yeah, he didn't know how to do laundry. My mom did all that shit for me. So it was like, yeah, that's crazy. It's been a crazy climb.

Yeah, it has been. It's so hard in the beginning because you're not sure if it's gonna work out. It's weird I was so fucking positive really even telling him when I was 18 19 years old when I moved down I said I'm gonna be the big like I'm gonna be in the UFC I'm gonna be a fucking superstar and he would be like I have I would just think this kid has no fucking idea How good people are wait till he feels I was good people are. I was delusional for sure. Do you think it's good to be delusional? I do.

I think a little bit of delusion is an important ingredient in the recipe of success because I was, I mean, I might have been too delusional, but I also got very humbled a lot too. I would get humbled and I would be like, God, this is not what I, but then for whatever reason I would come back to me and be like, no, I'm going to be fucking world champ. I'm going to be the, one of the biggest stars in UFC. But I remember, yeah, telling him that even like when I first moved down and, but yeah.

Well, I remember when I first met you, when we first started talking, I couldn't believe you didn't have a background in traditional martial arts. Yeah. Because you throw kicks so well. I was like, he looks like a karate guy. Like that was assuming you had a, like you, maybe when when you were a kid you did karate or taekwondo basketball football baseball soccer all every different sport all year round for since i was probably five six years old just constantly being an athlete doing athletic stuff i feel like helped develop my i do think, too, some people just have this ability to fight.

I just understand fighting, like distance, feints, that stuff came so natural to me. When I first started fighting, I was fainting. I didn't know I was fainting. I was just fighting. It just happened so fucking natural. I think some people just have that that ability yeah well i i definitely think the background and athletic helps yeah but it doesn't make a fighter no the fighter thing is the like some guys can do it and some guys can't do it

and it's and you can't predict it and some guys can do it up until like level eight or level nine like the marlin rise guys yeah they get real close but for whatever reason in those moments those chaotic moments they can't keep it together fuck yeah i mean i still gotta go out there and prove it i think once you become champs like are you champ till you you gotta defend the belt you gotta defend the fucking belt yeah so i'm looking forward to that but i mean i really really did truly want to fight in december like when i called out cheeto in december um but then they talked to ufc and they kind of already had they kind of already had they were trying to get colby leon together and they don't they didn't i asked them they want me to main event my own show

which i think is fucking dope i'm down with that definitely. Yeah, that's a good litmus test, too. Let's see what those numbers are because Cheetos are pretty famous, too. That's a big fight. Yeah, I'm really hoping they fucking just say, let's fucking do it. What do you think that would be for? Like when? I'm ready. I mean.

It can't be December. No. So what is the next big card after that? I'd say, I think UFC 300 is in April. I would say, I mean, that would be a sweet card to be on, but again, they're not going to. Where are they doing that, Vegas? Probably, yeah.

They should. Yeah. So I'm going to guess before that, before UFC 300, because they're not going to put, they'll probably do something like they're doing with John, like have a super card but only have to pay out one champion. So I'm assuming they'll probably do something like that. It with Jon. Like have a super card, but only have to pay out, you know, one champion. So I'm assuming they'll probably do something like that. It's funny that you think about it that way.

I've been thinking like that. Until you said that, I never considered it. Oh, yeah, that other fight, neither one of those guys is a current world champion, even though it's for the title. They don't get a piece of the pay-per-view. I've been having like a business kind of mindset getting into fighting early, early on. Thinking about numbers and brand deals and when I get to this position, what I'm going to ask for at the UFC. Because I go and sit down with Hunter and do our own negotiations and stuff.

It's fun. I enjoy that aspect of fighting. I enjoy the business side of it to where a lot of fighters don't. They're like, here, I'll just pay someone to fucking do it for me. But I've always been excited about that. I've always wanted to be

into the entrepreneur type stuff. Well, that's great that you enjoy it because for some fighters, it's like a labor. Yeah. And they don't do it. But if you're excited about it, that's awesome

because that's definitely a smart thing. And just the ability to promote just promoting fights like that is such a factor there's so many guys that are really talented but for whatever reason the public's not captivated by them and so they just never quite hit their potential in terms of like revenue yeah for sure i mean it's crazy now with all the social media guys fighting now and making bank. And it's their first, second, third fight. Jake Paul's the fucking man. Like, what he's done is pretty amazing.

So is that Dylan Danis fight off with Logan Paul? I saw him tweet fucking him out piece or something. But then I seen someone confirm that he didn't pull out. But that motherfucker, he's been calling it since the day he said there's no way that motherfucker's showing up. But he hasn't pulled out yet. Well, if he doesn't show up, how is he making money? That's what I was wondering. That's what I was wondering.

I was going to say, man, I can't take a break off Twitter without people thinking I'm pulling out. Well, his fucking tweet. He's a great troll. He is. He is. He's good. He's doing it. I mean, for a guy that's last time he fought was in Bellator. Like, when? How long ago was that? Yeah, he is. He's good. He's doing a, I mean, for a guy that's,

last time he fought was in Bellator, like when? How long ago was that? Yeah, probably four or five years ago. But for Logan's girl to sue him, lawsuits, lawyers,

that shit, there's nothing more fucking stressful and frustrating than that, going through that stuff. And Dylan probably doesn't have a lot of cheddar.

So now he's getting sued. He has to hire a lawyer and those lawyer bills add the fuck up. So I bet he's fucking stressing. Look at this. He's sparring with Alex Pejeta. That's very interesting.

Yeah, Alex being real nice to him. Real nice. By the way, yeah. Real nice and you're only going to learn so much in a certain amount of time. I mean, it's not like Dylan is an absolutely terrible striker. Yeah. But he's not a striker.

He's an elite grappler. His grappling is fucking amazing. I mean, he's really fucking good. Yeah. On the ground, he's sensational. That kid has some fucking serious jiu-jitsu. But it's just he's not known for being a boxer. No.

It's like the Ben Askren situation. Yeah. You know, Jake Paul offers you more money probably than he made his entire UFC career for a boxing match after you've had a hip replacement. You're like, fuck it, I'm in. So he comes in looking like a guy who delivers milk. We were there. Gut and tits.

Oh, yeah. That was crazy. That was crazy. Did I say trending in Texas, North Korea? Is that what that said on Twitter? What's going on in North Korea? Oh, I don't know. It sounds fun.

Oh, Jesus. Don't freak me out. I'll see when I click it if anything interesting pops up. Jesus. I'm so scared. I think the story of the day with there is there's an American soldier that crossed. Oh, that guy. And he's now back in American custody.

So that story is just. Yeah, some guy, they were going to arrest him. He said, fuck you, I'm going to North Korea. And he escaped from South Korea and went across the border. Jesus. And they gave him back. That's how annoying that dude is. Still one of the craziest pods. It was having that girl from North Korea on. The one with the big titties. The Yeonmi part.

Yeah. The heavies. That pod fucking still just like, that was hard to listen to. She's so small, man. Yeah. Because, you know, she's starved. Her body's so frail,

like when you shake her hand, it's almost like you're worried you're going to break her hand. Then these tiny little hands, like you shake her hand, it's like so gentle. Just like a bunch of little sticks covered by skin.

And she's so smart yeah god damn brilliant lady and boy does she have some like cautionary tales of what happens when you give the government control because the way their country worked is they said we're going to take the land away from the farmer so that everyone will have food we'll just grow the food for everyone and then they're like no we're not once once they took the land away like no you gotta eat what we tell you to you gotta do what, you got to eat what we tell you to. You got to do what we tell you to. Wear what we tell you to.

That's crazy what's going on today. Right now. Like, it fucking makes no sense. Yeah, that's the thing that people need to understand when they think about dictators. Like, we don't have to worry about that. It's America. We're a democracy. Right, but all over the world, the world's run by dictators.

Like, all over the world. It's happening run by dictators. Like all over the world. It's happening right now where people live in horrific conditions. Do they think they're living good though? They think in North Korea they don't know. Some people don't know because they have no control of the internet. Like the government controls everything. And the people really believe that the rest of the world is jealous of North Korea. North Korea is perfect and amazing.

Hole in one. It's like a big religion North Korea. North Korea is perfect and amazing. Hole in one. It's like a big religion. Yeah. Well, it's a cult. And, you know, when the father died, when Kim Jong-un died, they all had to mourn him. And if you didn't mourn him enough,

you would get arrested and put you in jail. There was like a certain amount of time. So there's like performative mourning. So if you see like there's videos of performative mourning for uh kim jong-un's death so there's all these people outside in public in north korea just performatively crying and moaning like a porno like you have to do it maybe porno is more honest i would imagine if you're actually having sex. What's that? Piss Barker Booms Jays?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I would imagine if you're actually a person having sex, it probably feels really good. You don't really have to fake it. You just have to ignore that there's a camera there. Tim's used to girls having to fake it when he's having sex with them. All right, bitch. Sounds like your fucking gym. God, how much is social media these days affecting marriage?

I wonder what the percentage of success rate in marriage is going to be in about five years. That's a really good question because I was watching YouTube the other day, and a clip popped up that I didn't watch, but it was Lex Friedman had some guy on, and the guy was explaining how Instagram is essentially an infidelity accelerating machine. Because if you think of like how many, I mean, I know guys who are married and their wife's page is all their wife sticking their titties out and sticking their butt out. I mean,

it's literally the whole page is like these girls. And I'm not talking about girls who are like professional fitness influencers that are just showing how good their body is I'm just talking about just regular gals like if you're a professional fitness person and you know maybe you train people or something like that yeah of course you should show your body that's what everybody wants yeah you're you're literally advertising but look I did this to me I can help you do this to you. But some of them are just ass and titties and like, do you like my feet? And like they're married, right? So you know they're getting bombed on the DMs like constantly.

And if something goes wrong in the marriage, they have like probably so many options. Like pro athletes are DMing them and who knows, you knows you know God same with the guys to how easily those relationships are just available what I was talking about that last night with the dating apps like when someone in one of those bottom of the barrel shows one of the questions was hinge which was a dating app and I was like how much are you gonna be invested in trying to figure somebody out if you've got like a hundred people that you swiped on that are also ready to go? And you could just like leave the state sucks, like text this person like, hey, something just came up.

I just got out of a meeting. Do you want to go have a late drink? And then you go meet that person like, all right, we're trying again. And then if you're really that person, that's like it's got to be addictive like everything else on social media is addictive. Yeah. And addicted to just meeting people and just swiping and they all look hot. Like, let's fucking go. Yeah, it's dangerous.

I mean, marriage is such a tough, crazy thing. Do you know a lot of people that have successful marriages? I know people that have successful marriages. I wouldn't say I know a lot. I think, look, what is the divorce rate? Like 40 something percent? I think it's higher, I think the national divorce rate is close to 50 percent, Chris Rock always had a great bit about that, he goes

and that's just the people that had the courage to get out, how many cowards stay and suffer especially when they have kids and they're just staying together, being miserable with kids. They don't even know those kids are sitting there looking at how they interact with each other. It's just affecting them.

They just feel the interactions. If it's not genuine, it's just there for the kids. It's like, fuck. They feel a bitterness between them. Also, they'll identify future relationships like that, too. That's a scary thing about people who grow up in like abusive households like if the mother and father are abusive to each other and verbally abusive to each other then they'll probably pattern that as they get older and they

they just think you're supposed to like fight and then make up fight and then make up and then people get caught up in that cycle of fighting and makeup because it feels good to make up you know and the makeup sex is amazing but the fighting part is just like people get brutal they insult each other and break each other down it's like yeah we're so lucky because i've been with my girl almost 13 years now and you've been with danny for almost 10 yeah but i bet being like the star you are now trying to find a chick that, I mean, the guys that are stars trying to find actual love. Yeah, it'd be tough. It's possible. I think it's probably easier if you're a guy to find a good girl than you're a girl to find a good guy.

Well, yeah. I would think so. Because, I mean, to be sexist and to talk in sexist terms women think of a man as a provider like so you want a guy who can keep it together right you want a guy who you're gonna have children you're gonna want a guy who's gonna be able to keep it together financially be stable be disciplined do all things it's gonna do not fall apart not become a drug addict not fucking do something really stupid and lose his job and not like just give

up because of that and then everybody gets on welfare like you have to like count on someone unless you want to work yourself so there there's this like evolutionary aspect and i think it's hard like if you're a guy what do you want out of a woman i want her to be nice fat ass yeah all the physical things but you want to be a good person a nice person i don't need her to be nice fat ass all the physical things but you want her to be a good person a nice person I don't need them to be successful no guy cares I do not care at all

if I was a single guy and I met a gal and she was a bartender I wouldn't be just a bartender no one cares are you nice? are you cool? do I enjoy spending time with you? then who cares It's a good point. You don't have any businesses. Like, no one cares. No one cares. Like, are you nice? Are you nice? Are you cool? Are you fun to be with? Do I enjoy spending time with you?

Then who cares? But a woman like Taylor Swift is not going to marry a bartender. Right? That's fucking so true. Bitch, get the fuck out of here. I sell out stadiums. Yeah. What do you do?

You make drinks for people? Well, that's why she's talking with, what, that Travis Kelsey guy. I'm like, he's got to do something big time. They're going to share vaccines. That's a good point. Thought about that. Yeah, who knows? I think it's a tougher road for a woman to find a good man.

That's what I think. Yeah. If I'm guessing. Because I don't know that many good men. I know a lot of cool women. Yeah. In terms of the overall number of men that I know, how many of them are going for it yeah i'm lucky i know a lot of cool people yeah i meet a lot of cool people but just like general folks

like how many of these general folks are keeping it together lazy fucks a lot of lazy fucks there are a lot of i feel like comedians is there a lot of lazy comedians that are kind of naturally funny that could be way better that just kind of just get by with the little funniness that there's that there's some guys that are talented and they don't apply themselves enough because hans we were talking to hans kim and he was like kill tony makes him kind of have to fucking every minute every week to where he can't be lazy but he said if he didn't he would probably be lazy yeah like that's crazy that you just know that well i'll probably be probably be lazy, that mindset. You've got to work out with Hans and see what he's talking about.

Hans is fucked. He goes to the gym and it's like, you lazy bitch. What are you doing? Go to work. Hans is so fucked. People don't correlate the two, like creativity and health. I don't think they have anything to do with each other. Yeah.

It's that mind-body thing. People who concentrate only on the mind think the body's frivolous. They don't care what they look like. And people concentrate only on the body. They're not's frivolous, and they don't care what they look like. And people concentrate only on the body. They're not thinking about their mind. But they're interconnected. It's your being. Your being is your body and your mind.

They're all contained in the same vessel. And if you can keep that vessel healthy and happy and keep it on track, you'll have a better life. Is there a certain time when you have your best ideas and stuff? At night. Almost always at night almost always at night but sometimes in the morning sometimes i'll spark a fucking dooba right when i wake up and start writing like it just depends on how i feel like i do allow as long as i get my work done

what i need to get done like exercise and writing and all that stuff i'll allow it sometimes to happen at different times so sometimes i wake up in the morning and I just wake up and I'm like, I've got to write right now. I've got some ideas. And then I'll get high and sit in front of the computer for a couple hours. And sometimes it's coming after the club. Like some of the best shit I've ever written is like I went off stage, I got home, and I just sat down and started going over ideas

and then come up with things. God, that's so sweet that that's your club. When we were watching last night on the balcony looking down at you performing in your club, I was like, that's fucking so sweet. Pretty cool. That's so sweet. That's like a dream come true. It's not even a dream I ever had.

It just happened? I had to do it once we got here. So I needed to get the fuck out of L.A. The George Floyd riots were happening. They're defunding the police. They're telling you you can't do stand-up. You can't go to restaurants. You can't do anything.

And I was starting to get really sketched out. And I've always wanted my – at the time, my youngest kids were 10 and 12, which I felt like is the age that you can still move them and they'll be okay. When you start moving kids at 15 and 16, they really resent it because they're socially connected to their friends. They're going to high school. If they like their high school and they like their friends, it sucks. So it was perfect. They met friends early.

It was like, the people here are so friendly. And it was like, immediate, I was like, I love it here. I love it here. I feel so home home but there was no real comedy club there's this place the vulcan but the sound sucked and it was like there was always issues and so we used the vulcan as a place to practice and it was good because then we would go on the road on the weekends we were doing arenas and all these comedy shows. But right away, I was like, I need to open up a club.

And Ron White told me to buy the building that was owned by the cult. We're going to watch that after. You just fucking punked. I love cult shows. Cult shows are good, motivating. I almost owned that building. I was under contract for that building. It wasn't for their issues.

I feel like the one you got is fucking perfect. Because was it on the same street? No, no. The one that I had is on this big property. It's way off the beaten path. Oh, this is perfect. Oh, yeah, this is perfect because I'm getting all the people that are in the hotels downtown. They can just walk there.

All the foot traffic. And on 6th Street in front of my club on Friday and Saturday, they shut the whole street down. Bro, Tuesday night last night, I was like, what the fuck? I feel like a weekend. It was crazy. The line out the door was insane. Always. That's so fucking sweet.

And we've revitalized that area. That's sweet. And so other stuff is booming there too. And there's a big development company that's bought off. They bought up a giant chunk of 6th Street and they have all these amazing plans. Fuck yeah. So it's really exciting was it stressful stressful building that place out I mean what stress stressful is being poor I was gonna say you guys a bit stressful is coal mining to feel your feed your kids where are you

getting black long yeah what I had to do was complicated but it's I wouldn't say it was stressful because it didn't hurt me financially like yeah I I knew that it's very rare it's like there's time sometimes things happen in life where you go God if I don't do this who's gonna mmm I get it who's gonna do it other than me like it seems like the world wants me to do this so I knocked out Aljo so it's just I felt like look this is the thing to do open Open up a badass comedy club. And at the same time, all my friends that worked for the comedy store were unemployed. Because the comedy store had shut down.

And so they weren't getting any money. And I was like, how about I just hire you guys, move y'all out here, and let's build a club together. That's so sweet. And that's what we did. Fucking insane community. And we did it the right way. It was so fun hanging up there. That's so sweet. That's what we did. Fucking insane community. We did it the right way. Yeah. It was so fun hanging up there, like David Lucas, William, Hans, Tony, just like feeling

like a part of the group for a little bit was fucking really fun. That was a good time. It's a real fun ha- it's like we- it's like if you could hang with your boys and have like the best night of your life, a point where like you're thinking about it months later, we do that every night. Belly laughing. Every night. And it's all professional comedians we're all constantly talking shit and laughing and

but the car it's almost like podcast too because the conversations will segue and interesting things and someone will bring something up and they'll be all we're talking about him we're playing music and heading down to Mitzi's after his fun the bar like that was really fun too not yeah not usually go to just makes it that much more sweet there's just no phones too yeah that's cool i like that being able to take the phones away and lock those things up that's fucking sweet yeah people don't like it but man it makes you pay attention and it makes the experience way better yeah and if you accidentally say a little something yeah all right yeah it just makes it better for everybody that's what they have to understand like people are

reluctant to do it but listen it's better for the art form. It's better for you. Just go and have a good time. Yeah. I like how they lock them for real. I went to, like, we were up in the balcony. I went to, like, just grab mine, and I was like, oh, shit, I think it locked in that motherfucker, which is cool, though. I like that. Yeah.

It's just we did everything that we could to make it the best experience possible for the comedians, the best for the audience. We just did it right. Took a long time. Can a person that's like not really naturally that funny become a great comedian? It's a good question. I don't think it's impossible. I think if you're smart and you can figure it out, I think people can figure things out. It's like I think there's a certain mindset that you would have to acquire.

And I think some people, it's very difficult for them to change the way they look at things and change the way um they think other people see them because people have a delusional idea of how other people see you and i think in comedy sometimes you have to approach you have to think of it in a different way you have to think of it as an audience as much as you have to think of it as yourself such a sweet skill i've tried think of it as yourself. Such a sweet skill. I've tried to kind of write shit down, and I look at it a couple weeks later, and I'm like, what the fuck? I thought that was funny, even a little bit.

It wasn't. Well, it's like anything else, man. You've got to do it around a bunch of people who do it. In our case, you literally have to practice it in front of audiences. Like some of the stuff you saw last night was brand new. Like one of the bits that I did last night I had just done for the first time during the first show. And then there's all the stuff that we do

like in that little room at the bottom of the barrel that's completely improvised. And so that's how you develop an act by like just you have to practice it live in front of people so i have these ideas how many times you do something in the barrel room or when you're doing the barrel show that's fucking good but you can't write it down or someone recording just in case i record everything okay just in case you're like fuck what was that i always record them and then i listen to them and every now and then there's like a little thing that you forgot you're like oh shit that's funny or can be yeah it can be they're like little

seeds you know and like i'm gonna water this bitch yeah a couple of them yesterday obviously won't say anything right now but that shit had me fucking laughing so i wonder what like tom sagur and christina p like what their home life's like. Because they're such high-level comedians. Oh, they're talking shit. They're talking shit all day. They got kids, too, right? Their kids talk shit. Oh, yeah.

I bet. Yeah, his one kid calls him Tom. He won't call his dad. And he goes, hey, I'm your fucking dad. Call me dad. He's like, all right, Tom. That's funny. Settle down, Tom.

They live out here. Oh, shit. Yeah, he lives here. They both live here, too. Yeah, their podcast like, all right, Tom. That's funny. Settle down, Tom. They live out here. Oh, shit. Yeah, he lives here. They both live here, too. Yeah, their podcast is fucking funny. Yeah, there's like 15 world-class comedians that moved to Austin over the last three years. That's so funny. If I had to move anywhere, it would definitely be Austin.

I couldn't leave around this, though. I would fucking get too distracted. What, around 6th Street, you mean? Just around town. Like, I live in Waddell. I just got a farm. I got 15 chickens. I live like out.

I have to because I get too – I know myself. myself oh there's plenty of that fucking that's how i lived when i lived in california i lived about 35 minutes outside of la do you have chickens now yes i do i fucking i'm recently a chicken guy they've been late starting to lay eggs and it's so fucking fun grabbing those eggs every morning it's something about grabbing the egg and cracking it and fucking. So nutritious, too. Yeah, we've been getting a bunch, giving them some. Yeah, ours haven't started laying eggs yet.

We got fresh chickens. They're only now a couple months old. So they're getting their feathers and getting all the fluff is starting to go away. It's pretty bad. They're, like, rich and colorful, like, way different. Yeah. Oh, and the eggs. Somebody's watching them walk around outside.

It's fucking so, there's something about it. Yeah, you ever see what they do to mice? I haven't. different yeah oh and the eggs somebody's watching them walk around outside just like and so something about it yeah you ever see what they do to mice i haven't i've heard they're fucking savages you never seen a video i don't know if i want to this is how i found out about it we were um we we had this fence in california that was uh this like wrought iron fence in our backyard and my wife said you know what that fence kind of fucks up our view. Why don't we get a glass fence? So we got a glass fence. And then hawks couldn't figure out there was a glass fence.

And they were, bam! And there was like three of them that wound up dead. They got KO'd. And one of them got KO'd, but he was still lying in the backyard. And so my wife and my kids rescued him. And so they put him in a box. Watch this cat with this mouse. So this cat's playing around with this mouse.

Oh, no. Watch this chicken. Oh, God. No way. Yeah. Chicken's way more savage than that cat. Oh, shit. Just fucking that mouse up.

It's brick. Oh. Yeah. Get the fuck out of here that cat. Oh, shit. Just fucking that mouse up. It's Brit. Oh. Yeah. Get the fuck out of here, cat. This is mine. The cat's like, you got it. Leave me alone. Chickens are funny, bro.

Vicious. So what happened was this hawk got fucked up, and they put him in this big box and put him in the bottom of the box. And then my wife went to the pet store, and they got these, I think they call them pinkies. They're like little baby mice that they feed the snakes and shit like that. They got a bunch of them. And so they fed a bunch of them to this hawk and he ate them all except for one. And there was one left.

And my daughter's like, they were only like four. We want to raise it. I go, you can't. It doesn't have its mother. It's going to die. I'm like, let's just We want to raise it. I go, you can't. It doesn't have its mother. It's going to die. I'm like, let's just feed it to the chickens. No! I go, that doesn't make

any sense. You just fed it to the hawk. But now you don't want to feed it to the chickens? The chickens are our friends. They give us eggs. The hawk is just some flying monster who kills all the rats. And so eventually they said, okay. I go, do you guys want to come with me? Like, no.

So I went out in the chicken coop by myself and I put that thing down and they dove on it like piranhas. And one got it in her beak and she's running around the chicken coop and all of them are chasing after her and biting at her face and trying to steal the mouse from her i've never seen anything like it because every other time they eat like we if we serve them you know chicken feed and we serve them like dried worms and all these different things they peck at it but they don't steal from each other and they're not frantic but they knew that that fresh meat the fresh meat of mice for whatever reason that is like their favorite thing they went crazy man

it was wild to see what a perfect animal for because they've been around for millions and millions of years right so they lay an egg lay food every day it's like a perfect fucking animal god god put down there for us yeah and if you're a person that has a good relationship with that chicken like all these people that are vegan that that's like, I would never eat eggs. Listen, it's not going to be a chicken. It can't be a chicken. You don't have a rooster, it's not going to be a chicken.

It's just food. Not only is that, it's food from your pets. So you have a good relationship with them, give them corn and feed. Organic quality food. Let them range around your yard, eat bugs and all that stuff.

And you'll get this unbelievably nutritious food for free. And you get animal protein. So you don't have to be a fucking sick person. You don't have to be like protein deficient and feeling terrible and having to supplement everything with fucking soy and this and that. You can eat eggs. How many times a day are you eating meat?

Every day. How many times a day? Every meal. And I'm eating probably twice a day. Generally, I don't eat more than times a day every meal um and i'm eating probably twice a day yeah i don't use generally i don't eat more than twice a day i don't usually eat lunch usually lunch is my breakfast it's like the first meal i have in the days around noon even days you train hard yeah yeah i don't mind training on an empty stomach but i will have a piece of fruit or something like that if i know I'm really going to get after it, a lot of electrolytes too. But the, the thing for me

is like, I don't tell everybody's different. I know people that are fine with a vegetarian diet. It's not me though. You know, when I used to try to lose weight, when I was competing, I was trying to make 140 pounds and I only made it one year, um, my senior year in high school and I couldn't do it again. It was just too hard. I was, so I tried vegetarianism for six months, and I just felt listless. I'm 100% for sure wasn't doing it well. I wasn't even taking supplements back then. But I just didn't wanna go up to the next weight class.

And then when I made the decision to go up to the next weight class, I started eating meat. And it was like, like immediately, because I was 17 17 so my body was like hey we're trying to get stronger what are you what are you doing giving us corn you know and then from then on i always say like god it's like when i eat meat i feel better and know that i know that i didn't do that well i know i haven't tried it since but when i went on a full carnivore diet

like a few years ago for a month where i ate nothing but meat for a month i was like god it's like the best i've ever felt so now i've been doing that for three solid months damn three three and a half almost three three and a half solid months of nothing but meat i feel great i don't know how you don't eat those cheeseburgers from that fucking what god i keep forgetting what's it called a damn chance burger yeah that thing still has me thinking about it like a fucking ex-girlfriend. I'm like, God, a tweaker, yo. Well, that's Phillip.

Phillip Franklin Lee is the man. Michelin star chef who decided to make the perfect cheeseburger. So he uses Wagyu patties. So it's like choice, top of the line beef. He knows exactly how to cook them. He uses American singles He's like that's the perfect cheese

For these burgers You want this kind of melty cheese product Not like an actual piece of cheese Because it's not even really cheese Everything's perfect It's so soft and just perfect There's not too much going on It was just wrapped up nicely warm

So we are doing a collaboration. There's a company that I work with called Senor Lechuga that makes sensational small batch hot sauces. It's so good. And Senor Lechuga, we're now putting those sauces in a Not a Damn Chance burger. So it's a triple patty because I'm a glutton. And it's got bacon and it's got pickles and onions and tomatoes. Triple patty. Yeah.

Smashed. Yeah, let's go. That's fun. That's fun. Let's fucking go. Do you get your blood work looked at and stuff? Yeah, all the time. And it's always looking healthy from the carnivore.

Yeah, it's great. Sweet. I wonder how many people, I wonder if it's just genetics. I think it is. Just genetics. You got to figure it out what's best for you. Yeah, I think the way your ancestors evolved has a significant effect. Makes a lot of sense.

Yeah. I think it's just natural. Like if you were from the north or you were born and raised in Mexico or. But I think also meat is the most nutrient dense food in the world. I mean, especially game meat. It's so filled with. Game meat? Game. Game meat. A lot so filled with... Game meat? Game.

Game meat. A lot of eating gays. They're slower and they tend to give up quicker. Some of them are passive. So I eat them. That would be a good game. Game meat, you know, because I hunt. So I get all this elk meat and deer meat. I think there's a significant factor in that, too, because it's so fucking good for you.

It just feels good for you when you're eating it. I feel like it makes sense. Better than a fat fucking cow that's just roaming around. Dude, the color of a fresh fucking elk tenderloin is crazy compared to a dying fat cow. Mm-hmm. Yeah, when I cut elk steaks and I vacuum seal them, so what I do is I'll get, an elk tenderloin is crazy compared to a dying fat cow. Yeah, when I cut elk steaks and I vacuum seal them, so what I do is I'll get the back straps, and I'll set up a cutting board, and I slice them.

When I'm slicing into it, man, it's like red gold. Yeah. You know, this slice of it, and then I'm trimming all the silver skin around it, and I'm looking at that thing that's this meal that I just vacuum sealed. Now I'm going to freeze. I'm freeze like that is so valuable to me it's so delicious and so good for you you wake up horny so when I eat like that I do but I like ribeyes too because ribeyes have a lot of fat and when you're eating only meat you really want to get a lot of fat in there too somehow or another so for

me it's like butter and eggs bacon and whatever i can do to get fat or ribeyes so if i'm it's game meat it's usually game meat with something else that's going to provide me with some fats i'll still eat avocados i'll still eat other things why is some elk like super gamey it's 100 how they took care of it. Like right after they killed it? Yeah, unless the animal... I shot an animal once, and he had a large pus section in his hip. So he had gotten stabbed by another elk. They kill each other all the time. Fuck.

Those antlers, that's what that's for. That's not for defense against wolves or anything like that. That is to kill each other. Jesus. They just fucking smash, smash heads with these giant, like, war antlers, and they stab each other. Like, I've seen elk that have stab holes in their body. Cam Haynes snuck up on a bedded elk once.

He saw this bedded elk, and he got within, like, 40 yards this bedded elk once. He saw this bedded elk and he got within like 40 yards this bedded elk, drew back, placed a perfect arrow through its vitals and it didn't budge. Didn't even move. So he went over to it and it was already dead. It had been killed by another bull. He's like, whoa. All over pussy? All over pussy.

And then they become homies afterwards. They're friends. After they fight? Before and after. They're friends for like fight, bro. After they fight? Before and after. They're friends for like nine, ten months. And then something happens. Yeah. And they start. Just mating season, probably.

Yeah, pussy. Fucking horny. One gal gets into estrus. She's looking good. Walking away. Fuck. She's making noises. They make noises.

Oh. They go. You ever called in an elk? Oh, yeah. He was calling a fucking elk in the hotel room. In his travel bag, he was fucking calling it like 2 a.m. in the hotel room last night. Do you elk hunt? Have you been elk hunting?

My brother and dad are like big hunters, live in Montana, hunt everything. They're big about it. That's the mecca. Yeah, it is. Montana's the mecca for elk. That's crazy. I grew up not even fucking, couldn't even spell hunt. Didn't nothing

But we were talking about Getting me dialed in on a bow Yeah You shoot a bow sometimes I want to bring you To Cam Haynes' place That'd be Where's that here?

It's in Oregon Oregon And he does this thing Called lift run shoot So you lift with him You run with him And he'll take you To the bow rack

And film it for YouTube That would be fun Until you gotta run 20 miles I think it's 13 Oh actually? Yeah Take you to the Bo-Rack and film it for YouTube. That would be fun. Tell you how to run 20 miles. I think it's 13. Oh, actually? Yeah. I think it's like... I thought it was like a jog.

Actually? No, no, no, no, no. I think he has you run up Mount Pigska, and then you... Or you can carry a rock. It's like up to you. You can either run or you can carry this giant rock. I'd rather run.

I can fucking run. Actually, that fight camp, last fight camp, was the first time I wasn't running. No treadmill sprints. I did some stairs just because they weren't too bad on my knees. Airdyne, though. Did a lot of fucking airdyne. Airdyne is the shit. Yeah, it sucked.

It sucks a fat one, but it is the shit when it comes to cardio. Our sprints we were doing because we couldn't MMA spar. We were doing fucking sprints on the airdyne, hitting mitts, speed ladders, airdyne. Oh, my God. It was fucking miserable. I woke up and just did not want to do it at all. Francis said that was his primary cardio for the serial gun fight because he fucked his knee up. Yeah, that was probably my primary cardio.

No other machine can gas you out more, I don't think. In 30 seconds. You'd be like, I'm— VersaClimber does pretty well, too. Does it? Is that the one where you're going to do it? That does pretty fucking well at gassing you out, too. That's a good one.

We have that here. I love that thing. But I think if I had to pick one piece of cardio equipment, it's the Rogue Echo Bike. That's their version of it. I think it's like super beefy and sturdy. And it also, one of the things I like is it has like, you can get a plastic lid that covers the fan in front of you so that it doesn't blow air at you. Oh, shit. So it doesn't cool you off.

Yeah, that sucks sometimes. Yeah. You don't get cooled off. You just get fucking tired. Yeah, some of those airdyne and pad work sessions we were doing, your heart rate was getting to 200. Like 202. I have a high heart rate, I feel like. What's your resting?

You have an aura. Yeah. Well, when I'm out like this, 54, 55. When you're in camp and you're tip-top Magoo shape. 48, 47. But yours even, like, when you're not in great, great shape, is super low. 43-ish, yeah. Do you do a lot of cardio?

I mean, not a ton, not a ton. I mean, I've rolled long jiu-jitsu rounds and stuff, but not a lot of cardio. I try to do the zone two cardio. That is cardio, though. Yeah. I mean, for sure, your heart rate's elevated through the most of it. and stuff but not a lot of cardio we try to do the zone two cardio that is cardio though yeah i mean for sure your heart rate's elevated through the most of it and you know i think also like one of the things they say about cardio training they there's like different kinds of training like there's interval sprints like tabatas but just steady state cardio where you're constantly at

around 130 135 which is a lot of rolling, especially if you're technical rolling. Flowing. If you're not spazzing out. Yeah. You're kind of constantly at this like, you're not exhausted, but you're constantly. So good for your heart.

Yeah, very good. Zone two, right? Zone two. Yeah. They say that's the best five times a week. There's no excuse that people aren't doing that.

Even going on a walk for 45 minutes for fat people. It takes mental strength to just sit there and do cardio for 40 minutes. Something fun. Have you ever played pickleball? Have you ever watched a movie? No, I fat people. It takes mental strength to just sit there and do cardio for 40 minutes. You gotta do something fun. Have you ever played pickleball?

No, I haven't. Bro, we played pickleball for the first time the other day, and it was some of the most fun. I love ball sports anyway, but that was so much fun. It was way more fun than tennis. What's so much more fun about it than tennis?

Well, tennis is harder to like fucking actually hit it over it was like it was like a big game of ping pong and you played two on two duos and it was like i don't know it was just so much fun but hour and a half goes by like that and good workout your sweat and your heart rates up a bit it was just fucking fun do you do cardio yeah what do you usually do the echo bike echo bike that's the big one yeah yeah or i watch fights the echo bike's nice it's not so loud like the air or the salt bike they're both pretty loud but i uh my my home gym is set up where the air dine the echo bike is right in front of the tv it's a big ass tv so i'll just put on fight pass just find some good events. Smelling salts. Oh, yeah. Fuck. We got the real ones? That's right.

That's right. Is that a freshie? Let's get a freshie. Do we have a bag that hasn't been opened? Definitely, yeah. Get a bag that has not been opened. I want us to have multiple bags in store. I still have two that are not this brand. Three. I have three that are not this brand.

I think I still have this brand. If you have that brand, that's the shit. That's Juju Mufu stuff. Do you want to test this one while I find it? Yeah, you may. I've been throwing on some Kill Tony, too, when I'm doing my hour-long zone twos. I'll throw on Kill Tony.

This is fresh. This is seal. I think the seal just got left on. I don't think it's... Can you unscrew it? Oh, you're right. You're right. Ew.

Ugh! Is that strong? It seems probably. I'm right. Ew. Ugh. Is that strong? It seems probably. I'm going to fake smell it. It's strong, but it's not as strong as it is when it's completely fresh. Wait, wait, wait. Don't do it. Don't do it.

Let me get a fresh one. I think this might be fresh enough. That fresh one is so... I can smell it from here. Give it a shot. I literally smell it from here. It's from Uncle Joe. That's nothing compared to the fresh one.

Woo! Now. Now let's get a fresh one. Now let's get a fresh one. Who told me that you're only supposed to do it a couple of times a day? It sends it on there. Oh. I can't read that.

That's for pussies. Oh, no. My handwriting. I can't read. My eyesight sucks. Oh, my God. That's like aussies. That's like a... Oh, no, my handwriting. I can't read... My eyesight sucks. Oh, my God. That's like a fresh bump. You ever thought about getting PRK?

No, it doesn't suck that bad. I just can't read, like, little tiny shit. Oh. Like, I can't read that. Oh. Yeah. I mean, I can read my phone. Holy fuck.

That one... You ever take macular support vitamins? Oh. Pure Encapsulations has a macular support formula that I was like you know as you get older one of the things that absolutely happens for most people except fucking cam Haines that bitch has like 2015 vision that's crazy he's a freaking nature though but oh you get you get macular degeneration it's just no matter what happens but I killed it in its tracks with this Pure Visions Pure Encapsulation Macular Sport.

Now this. Oh, fuck. It's the man shit? This is the shit. Because this is in the bag right now. So you got this sealed bag, and then inside it's sealed. So when I open this bag, just opening this bag, I'm going to smell it. It was like six or seven on deck just

oh we hit some fucking deadlifts okay I know I'm gonna fuck right now you smell it through there through there so the package isn't even open right now what just a sniff of that it's not even open oh god not even open yet. Now. I love when you and Theo are hitting it. You're like, ah, one more. Now, I'm going to take this, and then there's a seal on top of it. So when it... You can smell it through the bottle, son. What the...

It's got to be just good for your brain. It's got to be terrible for you. I know. It's going to be terrible for you. All right, here we go. E. Oh! Oh!

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Get in there, son. You had to hit it. Let's go, champ. Okay, I did it off. You didn't. I did it off. You got to really do it. It's so bad. You didn't You gotta You gotta really do it Holy that takes a man To be able to rip that

Every day Woo Gonna hit some Fucking squats baby God damn Oh I'm gonna Hit that before rolling Oh yeah

I don't know if that Would be good though Yeah I would be Smashing people I think it's really good For like deadlifts Hockey guys love it Before they go smash people

yeah it definitely puts you on a psychotic state of mind this one's oh shit I stripped it this one's the most fresh holy smokes that's the most freshy of the freshest hit that before you pounce and push

get your mind right I don't know if it would I don't know if it would be good don't know if we'd get your mind right. I don't know. I don't know if it would be good for anything. I think that's good for, like, maybe Goofy Run on podcast and deadlifting. That's the fuck how you sell it right there.

But all those power lifter dudes do that. Oh, my God. It's, like, still in there. Like, it's still, like, tickling my... Brian Simpson hit it, and it was so bad that he had to take his headphones off, and he ran out of the room.

I think he broke those headphones too. His set was funny as fuck last night too. He's good. He's so funny. That was funny. He lives with Hans, right? Yeah. We went over.

That house is funny. It's just like, it's just funny. It's like what our house would look like, maybe. Yeah. Comedians that live together. It's like, that's one of the cool things about that green room too. It's like we have this like communal hang. Yeah. Maybe not. Comedians that live together. It's like, that's one of the cool things about that green room, too, is we have this communal hang where we would all, because it's the most fun.

It is. It's the most fun to hang out with other comics. It's just, everyone's always laughing. Yeah. Roasting always. Fuck it. Yeah. The dark humor shit is just so much fun to where you just can't quite say shit online

or in public or on podcasts, but you can say shit in the green room or at the house. No phones, let it rip. Yeah. It's funny, too, how nobody even blinks. We were talking about this the other day. Duncan, we were talking about someone, and I go, have you ever seen this thing that this lady did? And we were watching it. Duncan goes, I let her piss in my mouth, and no one even blinked.

I go, can you imagine any other work environment where one of your coworkers says, I let her piss in my mouth and no one even blinked i go can you imagine any other work environment where one of your co-workers says i let her piss in my mouth and no one gets offended that's funny no one even blinked no one even reacted does duncan live here yeah he lives there i fucking like i always enjoy those podcasts i like him duncan lives here tim dillon lives here oh shit tim dillon yeah ron white lives here tom sagur christina pozitsillon. Yeah. Ron White lives here. Tom Segura. Christina Pazitsky. Fucking wild. A ton of up-and-coming comics.

Yeah. Because we have two nights of open mic nights. So two nights where the amateurs can practice. We have door people showcases. So all the door guys, all the people that audition to be, like the people that work the door are all professional comedians. That's sweet. And they audition for that job with their act. Cam Patterson, did he too? that motherfucking funny bro he's young his uncle too yeah he's got real talent yeah like that guy could really be something yeah it's just a time thing

you know and you know and he moved out here dude just came out here from florida i was like yeah i remember watching the episode when he got, the first time came on. It's so cool to see how just like killing it in that one minute can fucking change your life. It's so cool to see. Oh, it changes everything. Hans. That show has launched so many careers. And it's a great bedrock for the comedy scene here in Austin because it teaches you to just be funny.

here in Austin, because it teaches you to just be funny. It's not about whatever woke cultural trends and espousing all the right virtues on stage, which you do fucking see at some of these places. Really? Yeah, because they're young kids. And they think they have to be woke. And they see certain people on Netflix, and they see them getting critical reviews,

so they try to ape that, they try to mimic that, and pretend they're that. And they just get caught in this world of virtue signaling instead of the world of just trying to be funny. And on Kill Tony, you're just trying to be funny. Everyone's just trying to be funny. And you can make a legit career, and everybody realizes how fun it is. So it's kind of training people to just go out there

and make people have a good time. No one else could do it like Tony, too. He's just the perfect amount of ruthless. Yeah. Oh, he's so ruthless. He's such an evil little fuck. We were watching the last episode they just dropped, and Rick Flair was on there. And they started making fun of the comedians, and Rick's like, I will not be a part of this.

Also, he was hammered. Was he? I'm sure. He looked like he fucking... He was obliterated. They said they went drinking with him on Sunday, and he said, it's like a movie. He's like, Ric Flair's like, let's go meet some girls. And he's like, he's doing Long Island iced teas, just getting hammered.

Yeah, his ears were incredibly long. That was impressive. That's what happens with old people. Your nose grows and your ears grow forever. Really? Yeah, your ears and your nose keep growing. Is that like could that be like from human growth hormones? I don't think there's just an age thing. Hmm. I think all old people have giant ears Are you some really old people?

So if you like are young and you little ears like these years suck like hanging play Because you could have a normal face instead of looking like fucking dumbo yeah some old people have crazy big ears for for like your big like crazy podcast like i mean like elon and all those things do you do it like anything special in the morning or just a normal morning normal yeah i don't want to be hungover. Right. Yeah. That would suck. Yeah, especially like an Elon one or a scientist one. You know, I'll do, depending upon the subject, if it's a scientist, oftentimes I'll read their book or I'll listen to it or I'll watch lectures that they've given or TED Talks.

Just try to get a sense of like what I i am what i'm curious about about whatever the subject is fuck you do those guys are just so smart you do a good job at just not letting your mind water and focusing on what they're saying yeah that's a fucking skill well it's really because the only reason they're there is because i'm actually interested in the subject i don't have to fake it you know so it's not even really like a skill it's just my aunt my honest curiosity so when i'm talking to a guy like brian keating or something this is you know astrophysicists guys these guys are they're so goddamn smart that really all i'm trying to do is like just get a grasp of how this is understood what what are they doing to figure this out is it possible that

they're going to know in the future that this data is incorrect? And what other factors could be? Like they're talking about the age of the universe. And there's some debate now that the age of the universe is probably not really 13.7 billion years, but maybe even 26 billion or more. And so talking to him about that, I was like, how are you figuring this out? And just to talk to those people, it's so interesting just to be able to have these kind of conversations with those type of people. Have you always been curious like that your whole life? Yeah, I think so. About the things I'm curious in.

But I was terrible in school. Like in school, I was terrible. I just did not want to be there. I thought they were just preparing me for a job that I didn't want. And I didn't want to be a part. And I looked at them and I was like, I don't want to be there I just wanted to get I thought they were just preparing me for a job that I didn't want and I didn't want to be a part and I looked at them and I was like I don't want to be you so true like what is this like living yeah you don't have any joy you don't have fun you know you're all rigid and you look depressed like get me out of here that's what I when I was in school I was like get me out of here after I graduated from high school I

just have nightmares that I didn't graduate and I had to go back. That's funny. I knew I didn't want to go to, I was in like elementary school and I was like, I'm no chance I'm going to college. Cause once I'm, oh shit, I think we have that letter. Were you getting, I mean, you weren't getting any pressure from your parents or anything about college? Oh yeah, I was. Yeah. But still you said no fucking way.

Well, I took a year. I was, I tell everybody, I'm taking a year off. But it's like I was really, all I wanted to do was compete back then, but there was zero money in Taekwondo. And I wanted to make it into the Olympics. But then when I was training, one of the things that I noticed is, first of all, I always had my doubts of whether that's the best style. But then when I started kickboxing, I was starting to get lit up by kickboxers. first of all I always had my doubts of whether that's the best style but then

when I started kickboxing I was starting to get lit up by kickboxers and I was like oh my god there's so many holes in this and I don't want to like compete in this thing that's so limited right chopping your legs down that punches to Muay Thai was next kickboxing American kickboxing was first there was like above the waist stuff but I just when you got trapped in a corner and my hand sucked. I just sucked at boxing I was really good at kicking people there on the outside I was amazed at how bad their kicks were like most the kickboxer that trained with I could just fuck them up from the outside Loading up. Yeah, they were just loading up. They just their technique sucked. knees were down they're kicking up everything's

telegraphed it's like the kicks were just a part of brawling and they just threw it in there but if i could like get out of the way and i was like moving on the outside i could close the distance so much faster than they could but then in kickboxing when i was getting boxed i was like oh my god i have giant holes in my game and so it it made me really not enjoy Taekwondo anymore. And so I stopped competing in Taekwondo, and I started kickboxing. And then I started getting headaches because we weren't sparring. We were fighting. One of my main sparring partners was this dude that had just got out of jail.

I knew him when I was 16, and he was kind of crazy then, but then he went to jail for something to do with drugs. And then he came out three years later when I was 19, and he was a totally different person. He was super jacked. Like, I don't know if they got him steroids in jail or whatever. He had sanded off all of his tattoos. He used to have these really shitty tattoos, and he had, like, literally burned them off. So all of his arm was covered with these like keloid scars

And when me and I guy would spar it was a fight to the death It would just be chasing me down. We'd be blasting each other, and I remember one time lying in my bed broke 20 years old no money No future and you know I had been offered a pro fight for like four hundred dollars or five hundred dollars or something like that And, you know, I had been offered a pro fight for like $400 or $500 or something like that. MMA? No, kickboxing. There was no MMA at the time.

This was 1988. Jesus. And I remember thinking, what am I doing? Like, what am I doing with my life? You know? 500 bucks. And there was just no future in it. There was just nowhere to go. Like, so you're getting good at this thing that there's nothing there.

There's nowhere to go with it. Like, you could become a boxer, but you're not good at boxing. So what are you going to do? You're going to just get beat up? Yeah. You's nowhere to go with it. Like, you could become a boxer, but you're not good at boxing. So what are you going to do? You're going to just get beat up? You're going to get brain damage? And then I got a chance to see some of the guys that I was training with start to exhibit signs of brain damage. And that's where it gets weird. That'll open your eyes up a bit.

You've been still doing your Invisalign? Yeah. I took it off today. I'm going to have it on today. You guys got them on too? I wore mine for about a year and a half. I cannot believe what, because I didn't realize how fucked up my teeth were,

and then someone pointed it out, and I was like, damn, they're fucked up. Then I got Invisalign after you did, and I'll be smiling all day now. Locked around. They weren't good as a mouthpiece too. I don't mind. I kind of crave them being in sometimes.

It's a better mouthpiece for jiu-jitsu. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's probably not good enough for striking, but for jiu-jitsu, it's a better mouthpiece. I remember it was a pain in the ass. There were some nights you're just like, oh, I don't want to wear these. Or you just change your trays and it's like, fuck. It's worth it, though.

The timing of everything, though, with your career and just social media and all this stuff just blowing up it's it's just so weird how everything worked out it's just like a lot of luck but a lot of being prepared for the luck yeah for sure yeah it's almost like fate i mean if you wanted to really believe in fate if you look at the story that you guys have it's kind of fucking weird kind of seems like it's fate i know it's yeah it's hard to say because like then what about people that don't make it is that fate too

or is it like could they have made it if they were more disciplined and more driven and more this more that and they found the right coaches and they got to the right gym

and could they have I don't know a lot of people just don't make the decisions and don't do what you need to do and a lot of that is necessarily just like

isn't hard stuff, but it's like, I'm going to go home. I'm going to ice bath. I'm going to sauna. I'm going to stretch. And I'm going to go to bed instead of going out with the boys. And I'm going to do that for fucking nine years until I'm world champ.

Like that was a lot of it. I know a lot of guys are so fucking good, but it's Friday. I'm going to go out, hang out, drink, stay up late. Coming up,

we didn't do that ever. Like right now, obviously, coming off the fight, I've been traveling a lot over the weekends. But for the most part, even still, like once we get back to routine, it's like just doing those little things, stretching, taking care of your body, eating clean, and just fucking preparing for the next day, preparing for the next training sessions for years of consistency. That's what it's

all about it's all about having a goal and building towards that goal and doing everything that you can to be as great as you can be and now that you've done it you've also laid a foundation and a groundwork you let you've led you've led these young fighters like who who see what you've done and they can see that there's like a path yeah and that like i'm gonna emulate this guy's focus this guy's discipline this guy's belief in himself and you know and that is what inspires so many other people to do it i remember you know being a kid watching the training sessions of mike tyson with custom auto and just thinking like wow what an amazing convergence of these two human beings.

It comes together. This guy's fully disciplined, fully focused. And then when he wins the world title at 20 years old, you see him standing there inside the ring after he knocked out Trevor Burbick. And you're like, holy shit, he did it. He fucking did it. He did everything he had to do. Holy shit, he did it. He fucking did it.

He did everything he had to do. He fucking went full bore with talent and drive and genetics and coaching and all the boxes checked. Everything checked. And look what you get. He did it. Look what you get. Yeah. And how many people did that guy inspire?

He certainly inspired me. He certainly certainly inspired thousands millions of other guys to do things especially sean being like a skinnier kid well inspired a lot of yeah no i yeah i think too it's like i think uh i'm gonna piss too let's yeah let's pause we'll pause with this ah and we're back we are you want one of these kill clips i'm good for for now. I'm good. Thank you. I'm still geeking off this caffeine a little bit right here. Let's fucking move. Dude, literally, I mean, the art of podcasting is a crazy fucking thing. When you have three five-hour conversations, it's so next level. Yeah. I sometimes have five a week.

Holy fuck. Some weeks I have them every day. Yeah, that's a lot. That's fucking impressive. And it's like one day I'll be talking to Eddie Bravo. We'll just be fucking around talking shit. And the next day I'll be talking to some super scientist. Yeah, that's a lot. It's fucking impressive. And it's like one day I'll be talking to Eddie Bravo, we'll just be fucking around talking shit, and the next day I'll be talking to some super scientist. Yeah, it's wild.

The balance. Mathematicians and geniuses and psychologists. It's weird. Do you usually think of it like two weeks ahead or a week ahead, or does it just come in and you message them, or how does that go? It's pretty far in advance. Most of the time it's booked, and it's all booked on my interests. So it's 100% on what I'm interested in.

It's like all I do is look at the potentials, like who – sometimes I reach out to people. I reached out to this guy yesterday who wrote this book on the American West. And I reached out to him because I had heard him on another podcast and I got his book. And sometimes it's just they'll send the email in and it goes through my guy and it gets filtered back to me and he sends the ones that are relevant and I look at those and I'm like, hmm. And I just look what interests me. This one, nah, no, boring, boring.

Huh, what's he doing? Okay. And then I'll go see if I can find a YouTube video of them talking because I've had writers on before and they can't talk and that's kind of a bummer like maybe they talk the way they write so they go well so and I think and you're like oh no this one sucks I should have listened to this guy talk first yeah Sometimes the ideas are great, but the people aren't compelling. Do you ever have a smoke and then read a book? Oh, yeah, sure.

I like doing that. Yeah, I like doing that. I like books in the sauna. It's my favorite. Like audios? Yeah, audiobooks. You're just sweating all over your pages. Yeah, audiobooks in the sauna are my favorite way to consume them because you're going to be in that sauna anyway.

I've been listening to Marcus Aurelius' meditations in the sauna recently that's that's amazing can you listen to this dude that lived 2 000 fucking years ago and he's just spitting knowledge i like ryan holiday like he kind of breaks down what what he says the daily stoics the 365 days i've been i've had that book for like four years and I still religiously, especially in camp for like 12 weeks out, read every morning and just like, it's fucking, it's good. It's good shit. Yeah, it's great stuff.

Ryan Holiday is awesome. It's so cool when there's people that highlight stuff like that and really put it out there and just get so many people interested in those ideas. But Marcus Aurelius is like listening to his stuff i've only i was always like oh this guy is so interesting like god imagine being like this conqueror this this guy who's like running rome and or running greece and you think like this

yeah that's wild how does he think like that like why is he why is his mind like how's a morellius is a roman emperor right i wonder if yeah i wonder if it'd be good for like stoicism to be taught in schools at whatever something probably sure teaching you how to think is one of the main things that's missing from school that's like teaching you how to manage your mind because how many times like can someone say one thing to you and that thing kind of resets the way you look at stuff. Like, oh, yeah. Now apply this.

And you can apply it in the real world. It's like a tool that you can use. You know, you could try to twist something with your fingers. But if you have a wrench, you're like, oh, yeah, this is way better. And sometimes ideas are like a tool. And you can just apply them at various times in your life. And if you can hear about them from someone who's already figured that out, that's a giant step in the learning curve that you get to jump. Yeah. I mean, like, even if it was Naval, some of his stuff is so fucking good.

That's fun to listen to. His Twitter's good. Yeah. Yeah, Naval's good. How did you decide what school your kids are going to go to? You know, there's good schools out here. We're lucky. We're a mouth.

California is much more problematic right now for schools. Because one of the things that was happening to me in my school where my kids used to go is they hired some person to teach them that they have to be anti-racists. It's not good enough to not be racist. I was like, what the fuck? I'm like, my kids aren't racist at all. Like, what are you doing? Like, why are you putting that in their head that they have to be anti-racist and call out racism?

And like, they were trying to make kids activists. I'm like, hey, they're five. That's crazy. You know, like they don't even care. They want friends. They don't give a fuck what their friends look like. They're trying to have a good time. They're five. That's crazy. You know, like they don't even care. They want friends. They don't give a fuck what their friends look like. They're trying to have a good time. They're five.

They're just playing. Like you're pumping in, you're indoctrinating them into this woke, guilt-free or guilt-ridden ideology that you're carrying around with you. And you feel like you have an obligation to impose this on children. have an obligation to impose this on children. You know, our goals should have always been what the goals were that the liberals had in like the 60s and the 70s, which is a colorblind society. The Martin Luther King notion that we should treat people by the content of their character, not the color of their skin, but across the board. And the problem is there's inequities in communities. There's inequities in how people grow up and where they come from and some people are in places that have no hope

and none of that gets addressed. None of that gets fixed. None of that gets worked on. Instead, you just try to make kids feel guilty. It's just, I didn't like the woke shit. I didn't like that they were, you know, trying to ask kids their pronouns.

How did you find out that they were doing that? We got an email. It was an email like from. Anti-racist email? Yeah. It was like right around the George Floyd time. I was like, oh, my God. Because some people, what happens is they'll cap.

There's a social movement. And they hop on that social movement to enhance their own career. And they use it to optimize their own. It's this thing that it's what you call a race hustler. There's people that do stuff like that. Or it cannot be that. It could be any kind of social issue. You want that social issue to be a bigger deal than it is.

You're attached to that. It could be climate change. It could be whatever the fuck it is it could be the you know you see sean penn doing all these interviews about the war in ukraine like what is actually going on there well part of it is you're attaching them yourself to something that makes you look virtuous and it also enhances your career so it's like a thing you're doing it's very rare that when people are like trying to proselytizing and out there trying to indoctrinate people into certain ideas, it's very rare they're doing it just for true altruism. Like they think that those ideas are just immensely beneficial.

They're also doing it to boost themselves up by highlighting valid issues in the world, but doing so in a way where they become the moral compass and the person who gets to dictate how people behave and think and talk. They build their little niche. It's just control, man. People love to fucking control people. And if they can control people because there's some guilt thing and a horrible social issue like the George Floyd thing thing where everybody's kind of

on board like oh my god they killed that guy this is horrible watching that what kind of police brutality and racism and all these different things and then someone says i know what i'm gonna do i'm gonna ride this fucking wave and i'm gonna get a job in schools and i'm gonna start indoctrinating people they wound up firing that person that person was going ham. But you know, the, the whole school was like, it shifted, it shifted with the, the social tide. And I was like, you're not supposed to be doing that to kids. You're supposed to be teaching kids. That's just teach them life. You, I don't like you. So I don't want you putting your shitty philosophy, your shitty judgmental philosophy and indoctrinating children with it because I think you're a moron

You're a moron who just happens to have a job at a good school teaching kids But I think if I sat you down in a podcast you'd look pretty fucking stupid after a couple hours Right, you know there's a lot of these people that they don't get their ideas challenged And yeah, now they're and they're teaching eight-year-olds, you know like Jesus Christ. That's fucking scary And not just teaching them how to read andolds, you know, like Jesus Christ. That's fucking scary. And not just teaching them how to read. Yeah, and how do you know you're a boy, Billy? Oh, God. Like, oh, Jesus.

You seem pretty feminine. Yeah, right. Did you ever pick a doll when you should have picked a truck? Do you like pink? No. Do you monitor your kids on, like, TikTok, how much they're on it and stuff? Yeah, we monitor them. They can't have their phones at night.

That's great. That's smart. But I don't stop them from doing anything. I don't stop them from eating junk food. I don't stop them from playing on their computers. I don't stop them from playing with their phone. But I do emphasize the value of discipline, and they obviously see that I work hard and my wife works hard.

And we just talk to them about stuff. I think if you deny kids social media, one of the things you're going to do is you're going to kind of socially alienate them because all their friends are on social media. But then there's also this thing where kids are living in a new world. And even though you didn't grow up in that world, if you say, oh, this social media, I think they're getting an adversity that you're not going to get. And they're going to get some resilience from that adversity. But there's going to be mental health consequences, and especially for people who didn't grow up in it. And that's one of the things that they experience. Jonathan Haidt's book, The Coddling of the American Mind, is about that. and one of the things that highlights is self-harm amongst girls ramps up considerably somewhere around 2008 2009

and it's right when Twitter and social media and Facebook and all that stuff comes out and now they're comparing themselves to other people and comparing lives and people are using filters and they're distorting reality and and people are there's more instances of suicide and self-harm then there's bullying there's a lot of bullying well even just being on my phone like i don't feel like i'm comparing myself but just picking up my phone and being on it surfing and then putting it down then picking it up surfing just gives you this little level of anxiety dude it's just like the fuck some of the four and five-year-olds you can tell the ones that like

in jujitsu the ones that their parentsolds, you can tell the ones that, like, in jiu-jitsu, the ones that their parents really monitor it compared to the ones that always just put it in front of them. And a lot of those kids that always get it, they always quit jiu-jitsu because it's too hard or they don't want to do the warm-ups and stuff. And they sit on the side now and just go, sook, sook, sook. That's crazy. That's so wasteful. It's so bad for you.

Yeah. It's just so dumb. And, you know know I talked about it But then I did it the other night the other night. I was gonna go to bed It was 1030 and I said I'm gonna go on stage I'm gonna go upstairs rather and just see what's going on online and so I got online I start watching YouTube videos so easy then I went down a rabbit hole with the UFO Disclosure and then it's like three hours later. I'm like what am i doing go to bed that ufo smelling salt

the the rosinio or whatever that one the documentary i heard you talk about it i watched that yeah moment of contact it's crazy because you're just like either these guys are such good actors or they're a little bit crazy or they're fucking just telling the truth it's so hard to know but that one cop when they bring that one cop to the site where the crash was and he starts crying. Yeah, that's powerful. I was like, fuck. I just don't believe that that guy could be that good of an actor. I mean, that's a Daniel Day-Lewis performance right there.

That guy was killing it. If he's really acting, like, bro, that was amazing. I mean, there are people that are like that, that are completely insane. Yep. I mean, how many people have lied about being attacked, like, you know, Jesse Smollett style? How many people have lied about things that have happened to them when nothing happened to them? There's people that know that there's a value. There's like a social value in being a victim.

And so they will come up with stories about something terrible that happened to them. And then they came and they took me in their craft. Well, Johnny Depp and Amber Heard. I mean, someone's fucking lying. Like, which one are you? That show, I recently watched that on Netflix and I was like, it's so wild. Just expert actors.

Blackbelts. It was crazy. To me, the craziest one was when they knew that they were recording each other. So they're having a conversation, but it's so performative. Johnny is just talking like this. That's actually really good. Very calm.

That's really good. Very calm. He's a good dude, man. He looks tough. Yeah. I text friends with him, and I was on the phone with him once when some shit was going down with him before the trials. We had this long conversation on the phone. I was in Hawaii, and Stan helped.

He said, hey, Johnny wants to talk to you can we talk I said fuck yeah so I'm sitting there and I looked over my wife I'm about to talk to John I'll be over here lounging at the pool drinking margaritas and I'm on the phone with Johnny Depp he's talking like that yes he's a funny dude man he calls elon musk mollusk mollusk because he was all fucking playing the fucking he was even with the he was apparently involved somehow or another with amber heard damn that's fucking sweet he was putting babies out there left or right yeah i i'm kind of jealous of that how many do you want, in this reality, maybe not as many as in my fantasy. I would love to have a bunch of kids.

You're only 28, man. You're only 28. I know, but I'm not the one that has to get pregnant and deal with all that shit. Danny is. That's true. But I'm telling her, I'm like, can I have more baby mamas? And she's not too into that idea. I would love to have a bunch of it.

We were talking last night about the surrogate thing about how that oh yeah is that people farm off someone having their baby inside of them this just doesn't seem right it seems wild that's that's what it is well there's i feel like there's such important connection those nine months ten months of that baby being in there and just you holding your belly and you feeling a kick there's just how long does it take that mom to recover from that? Just like, there you go. Bye-bye. Well, I told you about my neighbors. I had these friends of mine that live down the street,

this gay couple, and they hired this lady to be the surrogate. They pay her. They do the whole thing. They make sure she's got good nutrition. And at the end of the year, she's like, eh, I'm keeping the kid. Fuck.

Was that lady married too? i don't think so i think i think she was single i don't remember though but i just remember them being heartbroken because they were all they did eventually find another surrogate and then now they do have a son now their son's older damn known them for like 15 20 years but that at that time it was like they they were so bummed out. They were going to have a kid. Was it their sperm too? Yeah. Or one of them?

I think they just both jizzed in a cup and they fucking stirred it up. Nah, can you do that? Squirt it in there. Mix it up? Yeah, so you don't know whose jizz it is. Damn. That's interesting. The thing that jizz, that there was certain jizz that would kill other jizz,

it was killer sperm. It was this theory that got proposed. Yeah. It was a theory that people were running with and a lot of people were talking about, and then someone reexamined it and said, I don't think this is real. I don't think sperm has any ability to kill other sperm.

But the idea was that some of your loads were like warriors, and they would go out there and try to find the other loads in there and fuck them up fuck them up yeah you know that's why that your dick is shaped that way the head of a penis is literally designed to plunge out the other sperm and pull it out so you think about the shape so you're the head of the penis is like this then it's got the lip right curve well that's cool it plunges in and the lip gets all the other jizz, scoops up back there. Because ladies back in the day were just getting nutted in? Yeah, well, the primate days. I mean, think about it.

If a female was trying to mate, like one male would fuck her, another male would fuck her. Nobody knew whose baby it was because there was no sense of paternity. It was just everybody fucked everybody. And so the penis was probably designed and evolved in that way to act as like a plunger where you're like sucking out the other dude's jizz. A little cum sucker. You shoot in your own jizz. Damn.

Yeah. I mean, it's an evolutionary trait of the shape of the penis. Makes sense. Yeah, it does make sense if you look at a shape of a head. And having a little head. So why is his Timbs curved? Yeah, right. Somebody would probably ride in them and broke it.

Penile fracture. That's real. My buddy Joe Riggs. It happened to my buddy Joe Riggs. Joe Riggs, the MMA fighter? Yeah, yeah. We both lived with him at one point. He broke his dick?

Yep, yep. Trying to be a hero. Of course he did. Pulling all the way in, pulling all the way out. But guys, you see, Mariah went to visit her parents in Utah, and it's a big Mormon country. And when she was in the backwoods, there was this old guy taking pictures with like 30 young girls in their dresses.

Oh. Man, getting those girls on board with those beliefs. Early brainwash. Things they get them on board when they're young. I mean, look, there's cults, but when there's a religion where you know the guy who made it. Like Joseph Smith was a real con man. He was 14 years old when he wrote all that stuff. Which one was that?

Mormonism. Mormonism? Yeah. 14. Yeah, he said he found golden tablets that contained the lost work of Jesus, and only he could read them because he had a magic rock. And then the angels came and took the gold tablets away, he said. So when the townspeople said, where's the tablets?

The angels came and took them away. What if, though? Yeah. Yeah. What if? Yeah. Who's to say? Imagine if it was true.

Yeah. So he started it, and all these years later it's like but one of the weird things about mormonism is like they if if it is a cult i guess it is they are the nicest fucking cult members ever they're so nice i know i don't i don't really know any mormons oh i know a ton really yeah yeah i go to Utah a lot, and I know a lot of them from there. And I know I had some neighbors that we're friends with back in L.A. that were Mormons. They were so nice. And they know? Like it was started by that dude when he was 14?

Yeah, they believe in it, though. They don't look that deep into it. They believe it. It's interesting. We have this one family, and they left the country for like a year for their kids for their education and took them to to europe and then when they came back they left the church they just not being there for a year they came back like this is kind of ridiculous but she was talking about it and she said one of the things that she recognized that it's it makes her very vulnerable to like charlatans

and gurus and stuff like that because she was kind of programmed to always believe the preacher and programmed to always believe the church but she was kind of recognizing it in herself and she has this flaw in the way she views the world that's scary some of those guys are such like good talkers the one that the waco guy here oh yeah branch Davidians yeah the way he knows the Prophet yeah and it's always this guy fucks everybody yeah and no one else gets to fuck them has to be fucked everybody's wife see that's something I could yeah they only could fuck him. It's really wild, though, that that sort of style of running a group of people has always existed.

You know, Marc Andreessen, this very wealthy and famous tech guy, was on the podcast. He was telling me there's like active cults in California right now. They're just successful. What? I'm like, really? Like how many? Like not on social media type stuff too, probably? I don't think they go on social media.

Probably kill everything if they had that. For sure. You gotta kind of stay fast and loose and keep moving if you're running a cult today. That's Satan. That's Satan. Stay off that. Crazy.

It's just this place that we almost had down here, when you watch that documentary, holy hell. We were talking about this last night. We always say, it's like the beginning of all cult movies. It looks like they're great. Just dancing in the water.

Yep, Osho. Wild, wild country. Osho. That was so good. Amazing. His books. He's got a lot of good books. Yeah.

I love how he would fucking wear iced out watches, take private jets, democracy. Roll joys. Democracy is by the people, of the people,

for the people. He had me convinced. The people are retarded. You ever seen that? Yeah. That was so hard to see a guru saying, find that video. I fucking love that video. Motherfucker is... It was so... It was so hard to see a guru saying...

Find that video, dude. Yeah, the motherfucker is next level. I fucking love that video. Yeah, that was a well-made documentary, too. Yeah. Wild, wild country, right? See, it wasn't him that was fucked up, though. It was Sheila.

It was the lady. She was kind of hot. He's... Imagine getting him on the pod and he does this. Yeah, I'd deal with it. Government. By the people. Of the people.

For the people. But the people are retarded. but the people are retarded that's too good that's too good it goes on further but you get the point yeah he but also like if anybody seemed like a guru it's that guy yeah like you look in his eyes like he looks like like legit, wise guru. And it seems like his – I've read one of his books, too. His ideas were very interesting and very legit. Deep.

Yeah. But what happened? What went down in that town? That was great. They poisoned people. And then brought all the homeless in to vote for him. Yeah, so they fucking took over the town. And the homeless people are like, finally, we've got a community.

They're like, yeah, we're done with you. Get the fuck out of here. That's crazy. Ship them back out. Yeah. Cults, man, it really is a strange thing that people want to follow this one person. And this one person leads this community and can't be challenged or questioned. Man, it's so much easier back in the day without the socials.

Yeah, probably. Yeah, because you could just lie about stuff. Did you ever see the guy from Australia that said he was Jesus? He literally says he's the reincarnation of Jesus, and there's this woman that's with him, and he says that she's Mary, and she really believed that she was Mary. And then she found out that there was another Mary in the past, but he had said this other girl was Mary. And then they're like, hey, what about this other girl? She that she was Mary. And then she found out that there was another Mary in the past. But he had said this other girl was Mary. And then they're like, hey, what about this other girl? She says she was Mary.

That was a mistake. That's why she found out? Because there was another Mary? That was it? I think that was a big one. Yeah. Because then all of a sudden everybody was like, wait a minute, wait a minute. Can you walk on water, though?

Yeah, let me see you turn water into wine. Right. It's weird. A lot of religious people, they'll just look at the beliefs. They won't look at who formed those beliefs and, like, when did they form those beliefs and who was it? Like, even Jehovah's Witnesses, like this Charles Taze Russell, didn't even know Greek. And he wrote this whole new translation of the Bible. And everyone got on board.

Oh, wow. Yeah. Yeah, there's always people like that. But, I mean, the original Bible itself. Like, one of the weird things is the Dead Sea Scrolls, which is the oldest versions of some of the stories in the Bible. They're different. They're in Aramaic.

And it's like, well, should we all just read that now? You know, and why are we going on the New Testament instead of the Old Testament? Is the Old Testament the real thing? Yeah, that doesn't make sense. It's all, I always wonder, like, where did it start? What was the experience that led these people to write these things down? It makes sense if it was mushroom psychedelic. Like, that makes the most sense.

People are fucking tripping and seeing these stories and writing them down. Well, that's Marcus Aurelius, too, you know. I mean, that was one of the more interesting things about diving deep into ancient Greek culture is that you find, like, this book, The Immortality Key, from this guy Brian Mororescu, who found that the Eleusinian mysteries, when all these people were coming to Eleusis from all over the world and taking part in these mystery ceremonies. They never know what they were doing until recently. And recently they started doing these tests on some of the vessels that they found,

the wine vessels, and they were laced with psychedelics. So now they know for sure, and they've opened up a field of study at Harvard, and they're exploring this, and they're doing more testing and more studying. They know that the people that founded democracy were tripping balls. Wow. Which makes sense. I think so. You'd have to be tripping to say, look, instead of one person running things,

let's all vote. Let's all vote. Because nobody else was doing that. Everybody was like, off with their head. The king is here. Lay down the throne. That's crazy. It's one king running the show.

Was there a point when you were super religious or not at all when i was little i was a little kid when i went to catholic school when i was first grade but my the nun that taught catholic school was such a cunt that it was like easy to realize that it wasn't real like i'd like lost all of my faith in organized religion when i was seven years old yeah and your parents weren't putting on you? No. Well, my parents split up when I was young, and then my mom, when my mom married my stepdad, my stepdad was a hippie, so it was like completely, and then we lived in San Francisco from the time I was seven years old,

so it was like the height of the Vietnam War. The hippie movements in full bloom. My stepdad had long hair. We lived around all these just like counterculture people and that was uh like a big part of my upbringing from like 7 to 11 so there was no no religion back then but i think religion's like a good scaffolding for people and i think there's there's something absolutely beautiful about a lot of the ideas of a lot of organized religions that really really benefit people but i also think it could be used as a tool to control people.

Yeah. Like almost everything. My mom, I feel like it's good for her just the community sense. Because she doesn't have, like, we go to the gym, you go to the green room, you go to the comic store, we have a community to where she just believes in her religion so much because she gets this joy from going to church because she's around the community. Yeah.

But she just, it's so crazy she will look me dead in the eyes and tell me that her religion christianity is the only religion all the other religions are made up yeah and that muslims will tell you the same thing yeah it's crazy yeah that's the problem it's like somebody's got to be wrong yeah exactly i wonder who's the most like wealthy religion it's the latter days-day... Or what is it? I looked it up recently, actually. Scientologists. Rich. They own a lot of real estate.

Do they really? Yeah. Scientologists is an interesting one because they sued the federal government to get tax-exempt status. What? Yeah, and not only do they know who made that one, but the guy who made that one was an author.

Not only is he an author, he's the single human being. L. Ron Hubbard, who created Scientology and Dianetics. He is the single most prolific author in human history. He has wrote more words and more books

than any human being that's ever lived. So he's got a creative mind. He creates Scientology. His books are terrible. No way. Terrible. This dude probably never had a second draft in his life. They are so bad.

They're unbelievably stupid. Like punctuation? Just dumb. Just like ramble on nonsense. Here it goes. The Catholic Church. Oh, yeah, they're the richest. Very definitely the institution with the highest wealth in the entire globe.

It's estimated the operational budget of the Catholic Church. Are you sure it's the globe? It says it. But there's a lot. Globe. Flatter. The disc. You never know.

The firmament. Yeah. $170 billion. That's a lot of money, bro. Yeah. And they got this little thing that, you know, occasionally kids. Yeah. That's only one out of every three, though.

So occasionally there's some molestation. That's crazy. It's like the Catholic Church is so inexorably connected to molestation that if you say Catholic priest, people think a kid's getting fucked. Yep. That's how crazy it is. That's fucking insane. That's insane. There's not another thing on. That's fucking insane. That's insane.

There's not another thing on earth like that, other than actual child molesters, where you automatically have at least some connection in your mind. Like if a Catholic priest says, hey, I want your son to come over to my house for a sleepover. No. You're like, what? What the fuck are you talking about? But if a boxing coach is like, hey, we're going to take some kids over the house for a sleepover. We're going to take them on an early morning run.

And then we're going to do this and we'll have them back to you by Saturday. And the kids come back all laughing. You know, like this guy's been doing this. They run camps. Everybody camps out. Church camp. It can happen. It's normal.

But if it's a Catholic priest, everybody goes, what? Yeah. You're going to be alone with the kids? Yeah. The fuck you are some religions too like if a kid says hey this guy this elder or whatever molested me they have it in their their rules or whatever that there's need to be two witnesses there needs to be two witnesses or it didn't we're not taking precautions jesus yeah yeah and the other thing about that is that

it's somehow or another a repeating cycle. The people that get molested wind up molesting other people. That's weird. They create the demons fucking for real.

It's like a vampire thing. Like you're getting bit by a vampire. Oh, it is. Yeah. Fuck. Just fucks you up for good. It fucks you up for good.

Have you guys been to Rome? Have you ever seen like the Catholicolic church in the vatican no it's insane the vatican is incredible i mean i i can't imagine the amount of money and art that they have really it's so overwhelming like there's so much art they have like priceless pieces just laying next to other priceless pieces and you go on this tour through the Vatican of all the art Collection it's fucking Unfathomable art is it like the place in Abu Dhabi?

What was that place called the big where we wore suits to and got a tool the church that was the the Muslim Center I Don't remember does called you know I'm talking about It's one of the big churches One of the fucking The biggest ever I thought you Where they go and pray And they fucking It's a mosque Mosque

The mosque Yeah Okay The mosque was like Yeah That was like powerful You walk in there You know I was almost Muslim like that

Yeah Well that's one of the ways That people do get converted Just by the gorgeousness of it Is this it? Yeah it's part of it It's fucking insane. So the Vatican, though, that's like an older building.

Well, the Vatican is essentially a country. It's actually a country inside of Rome. So that's one of the ways they keep the child molesters is they can't extradite them. What? Yeah. Some high-up shit going on. They'll hide people in the Vatican.

What the Vatican is, it's like, I think it's like 100 acres or something like that, and it's inside the Catholic Church's control. So it's like a country inside the city of Rome. Is it a lot of security? Oh, yeah. Yeah, a lot of security.

It's a country inside the city of Rome, essentially. Wow. You still haven't been to the pyramids, right? No. I haven't either. Is there, like, a lot of security. It's a country inside the city of Rome, essentially. Wow. You still haven't been to the pyramids, right? No. I haven't either. Is there a lot of tourism? I remember seeing there's the pyramids, but if you pan this way, there's a hotel. Yeah, there's a Four Seasons.

That's crazy. You look out the Four Seasons, you see the pyramids in Giza. That's wild. Yeah. I'm going to get there. I'd like to go there. It was this summer. We were trying to figure out if we were going to go to Egypt and Greece or just Greece.

And so we chose to just go to Greece. And Greece was incredible. Never been there yet. When you go see the Parthenon, you're like, oh, my God. This is 2,500 years old and probably older because they built it upon an existing structure, the Acropolis. And they don't know how old that is. Jesus. That's all kind of been there for thousands of years before that.

Was that a good age to bring your daughters? Yeah, they enjoyed it. I mean, I think any age is a good age to get kids to see different things, different cultures. I've been traveling with my kids since they were really little. We took them to other countries when they were like two years old. Just a plane ride. Yeah, a plane ride is a bummer.

But with kids, dude, you give them a fucking iPad with some movies. Yeah. They just chill. Give them snacks. And they're little, so seats don't bother them. Give them a little heroin. Seats don't bother them because they're little. So they can just sit in that seat and fucking chill.

iPads have amazing battery life. Yeah. You can watch fucking seven movies in a row. Next thing you know, you're in Italy. Speaking of heroin, you had that one Dr dr carl carl hard yeah carl hard on and we i listened to that and then we did a podcast on ours and uh it got clipped i was like yeah i would probably do some heroin with him like and it got clipped up all everywhere me promoting heroin and doing heroin and stuff it was pretty funny um But that was a fucking interesting one.

He's fascinating. He's a fascinating guy. Very fascinating. Yeah. He had a very interesting outlook on drugs. Well, you know, he was a straight-laced guy who didn't do any drugs at all until he became a researcher. And then when he was a clinical researcher,

he's a professor at Columbia, and he realized when he was doing research, like, oh, our perceptions of the effects of drugs are all just a lot of propaganda and bullshit. And a lot of the problem is like impure drugs drug abuse of these drugs like molly and stuff like molly heroin yeah like okay candy it's not yeah candy is the worst drug just kids for like giving them fucking sour patch kids and skittles and they're just fucking or just out on sugar for a little bit or it it's okay for, like, a 350-pound person who's clearly going to die from a heart attack

to go into a gas station, load up on the ice cream, load up on the candy, and head out. Killing themselves. Yeah, they're killing themselves. There's a lot of people killing themselves in this country with food. But the drug one was just, I always thought that was interesting because I was terrified of marijuana growing up. My dad was a cop.

My mom was a nurse. It was just in my head that this is just fucking poison bad when did you first try this fucker made me put a joint in my mouth well we'd be we'd be training twice a day and he'd come home and still be like let's go do something just be jacked up i'm like bro there's a lot of good athletes smoking this weed just try it dude that's what's energy i'd train in the morning i'd be 19 years old move down to phoenix train in the morning train at night he him and his buddy are chilling and we're at the apartment i'm just like wanting to do something so i took a puff and i fucking chilled out for a little bit i changed my life i was able to because i it's hard you know hard to fucking get into that state but now it's a lot easier it's i mean some people who do it though and

then just every time something's going on and they just smoke and then they're just lazy i think it's bad for a lot of people yeah i agree i think some people are just lazy and if you give them weed and blame it on the weed yeah for sure it doesn't make me lazy it makes me the opposite if i smoke weed and i haven't done the things i need to do i I go, oh, God, I've got to go to work. Yeah, same. I start freaking. I like that paranoia. I do, too. It makes me start thinking about what I've got to fuck. I've got to dial in my diet.

I've got to fucking. Yeah. I've got to get to the gym. I've got to train. It gives me that anxiety, like, oh, fuck, I'm the champ. I've got to fucking. I've got to do everything right. It gives me that paranoia.

Do you know there's a thing that people say commonly, that when someone becomes a champion, they almost get 30% better just because of being a champion. Do you feel like that's going to happen to you? I feel like I felt that after I beat Alfred in my first, my contender series fight. I felt like I won.

I just felt like I got way better just because I had just fought the biggest name, biggest fight. I don't know i i feel like i don't know i feel like i have a lot of work to do i need to get back to the gym as fucking fast as possible but knowing how big of a beast alger was and knowing that you sat him down with the right hand how much confidence is that it wasn't even the more of the confidence i got was just not gonna take it down he had me up against the fence where he wanted me twice, couldn't take me down. Knocking him out, I knew I could do that.

The question was, can I not get taken down? He took Henry down four times. He had me up against the fence exactly where he wanted me, and he couldn't take me down. That's where I got my most confidence from, for sure. Knocking him out, I felt like I knew I could do that. It's such a big advantage to being a really good striker. Because if your whole thing is you have to close the distance and clinch with someone,

and you're a good striker, but you don't, it's not your thing. Like, you're not just looking to put it on somebody. It's like you're using it as a tool to enact your skill set. Yeah. To have that fucking one shot. Also, for marketing, like, how many times have people seen that Eddie Wineland knockout? That one is crazy. That's one of my favorite.

That one was just like, oop, ding. And that's the way he slapped. And it was at the apex. It was quiet. You just hear him going, he was snoring. That was crazy. Well, who's the last person in like the smaller weight class divisions to one-shot KO people? To win the belt even by KO.

To walk off and KO people, though. Has there ever? Hmm. Well, Marlon one-shot KOs people, and Corey's one-shot KO people. With knees. With knees and stuff, yeah. Yeah, but with, like, one straight right hand.

Yeah. But I feel like, yeah, once I get back to real training, I'm really hoping these stem cells fucking just... Yeah, it's going to help. I'm optimistic. Yeah, to real training these I'm really hoping these stem cells fucking just yeah It's gonna help. I'm optimistic. Yeah, and by the way, you can come back once a month and keep yeah, shut up Yeah, Brigham was a man. Yeah, very knowledgeable dude ways to well I was fucking super knowledgeable and they stack a bunch of different things together They leave beneficial and he's always up on the latest studies and he's also got this incredible memory

So you talk to him about he can relay all the information sweet a very dissolvable way and they do peptides and everything there everything everything sweet i'm all about the peptides i've been you know we were talking about this last night as well that the ufc is trying to allow people to take peptides again specifically bbc 157 which just helps you heal mean, that's really what it's about. It just helps tissue, soft tissue damage repair quicker. God, that would be so sweet. What about the ipomoralin, the CJC? Doesn't that help with joints and ligaments and bone density? Yes, it does.

And it also promotes human growth hormone. Yeah. And that would be beneficial as well. You know, look, I just think this whole idea of purity is horseshit because there's not the purity in sport in terms of like supplementation. Are you allowed to take creatine? You are. Okay.

Well, creatine is a performance-enhancing substance. 100 percent. Protein. Absolutely. It's not just physically enhancing. Creatine is cognitively enhancing. There's some great benefits to supplementing with creatine. And then there's also your stacking BCAAs, your branched branch chain amino acids. It's going to give you a benefit.

Those are supplements. You're getting it from a supplemental form instead of from your food. And you're getting it on top of your food. You're stacking it. You're doing it with a bunch of other stuff. You're taking beta alanine before you exercise. That's performance enhancing. If you take cordyceps mushrooms, cordyceps mushrooms like Onnit Shroom Tech, 100% helps you hit an extra gear when you're training. There's a lot of pre-workouts that are legal. There's a lot of stuff that's legal. That is 100% performance enhancing.

I think what we have to keep people doing is doing supernatural levels of testosterone and growth hormone and things that allow like Vitor Belfort to become TRT. Alistair. Yeah, Alistair. But even that, it's like, listen, if anybody should be able to fucking do that, it's guys who fight in a cage for a living. If anybody should be able to do that, to be at their prime, as long as they weigh 135 pounds, when they fucking step on that scale, I think we're wrapped around this idea of

cheating. I think we should be wrapped around this idea of optimizing. I think optimization should be the most important thing. Yeah, I mean, if you're 35, 36, 37 in the UFC, you've been competing in the UFC for 10 years, and you're not allowed to just do any of these peptides. You're not allowed to do any of this. You go to get your blood work, and the doctor's like,

hey, you're lacking in these areas. This could benefit your life. Yeah, it would change your ability to train, change your performances inside the octagon, change your ability to recover. To be able to recover and train. Like I haven't trained in the last few weeks and it's, oh, it's crazy. Well, this is the thing about jujitsu, right? Jujitsu, specifically Abu Dhabi, which is the premier jiu-jitsu organization, they don't test for steroids. And everybody openly takes steroids.

And so this is how they're able to compete with guys like – when you're at that level, like Gordon Ryan level, Gordon is open about steroid use. He trains 365 days a year. How are you going to do that if you're not juiced up? No chance. How are you going to recover? How are you gonna do that yeah if you're not juiced up no chance how are you gonna recover how are you recovering you're weightlifting in the morning and then you're doing jujitsu at night every day 365 days a year fuck that'd be nice to train like that that's the way you train like that you train like that on juice and if you do you become i mean if you also are super

intelligent and super dedicated and you have john donahaher in your club. Right. You become Gordon Ryan at 27, which is just bonkers. Insane. Greatest of all time, hands down, consensus. No one's arguing. Yeah. 27. And then you get to see two of those gorillas go at it, like Andre Galvaud and Gordon at those ADCCs.

It's like, whoa, that's fucking sweet. Imagine if kids like, I mean, Cade Rutolo and Ty Rutolo, those guys on that stuff would be fucking a nightmare. Well, you know what, though? They're so young, they shouldn't be on anything. Like, don't ruin your fucking endocrine system. They're competing at such a high level without it. But as time goes on, you know, like even guys are 19, 20,

when you hit 23, 24, my fucking shoulder, my back, my ribs. Like, how many jiu-jitsu guys do you know that have fucked up backs? Yeah. All of them. Everybody. Fucked up necks. Fucked up backs. Do you do anything for your neck?

Like, you do iron neck or anything? I mean, God, my neck. I feel like my posture is, like, a little fucked up, so I've always had really good guillotine defense and shit. I don't know. My neck took a beating, but it feels pretty strong and not too bad. My back fucking gets fucked up from wrestling a lot. Do you ever do things specifically to strengthen your neck? Not really.

Just wrestle. Dude, get an iron neck. We might have one here that we'll give you guys. It's the shit. Greatest invention ever for working out your neck. Really? You ever use it? Mm-mm. We have it here. I'll show ever for working out your neck. Really? You ever use it? Mm-mm.

We have it here. I'll show it to you after the show. Is that what keeps your posture so sharp? Mine? Yeah. I'm just cognizant of it because I have bad posture. Yeah.

But you just keep this fucking halo on your head and it's got a bungee cord and you back up like this. It's like a 50-pound bungee cord and then you do this. Just do sets. Fuck.

He's going to go. That's it right there. I'll show it to you guys we have it in the gym wrestling definitely people hanging on your neck though if you're doing fucking five six rounds and you're wrestling that's that's my favorite practice 100 not even close to anything else grappling going live from the feet we have such good wrestlers at our gym too why is that your favorite just it's fucking exhausting it's uh i i love hitting people in takedowns it's it's there there's a high it's almost like knocking someone out not quite as good but you hit a little duck on somebody and you score on them it's fucking fun i feel good when i do that um but yeah but people hanging on your neck especially when you got you're going with college wrestlers like bryce meredith when he fucking snap your head down and you're fucking trying to keep your posture up.

Yeah. Three time D one, all American, like two time NCAA finalists. Like they're different level wrestlers. Yeah. And it's, it's fun going with those high ass level wrestlers. It's fucking, it's humbling. It's fucking, but yeah, that's my favorite practice. Those are my favorite.

You don't see wrestlers like going, well, how old is Jordan Burroughs actually? Because he's been wrestling at that high level. He's like 36. Is he really? Oh, shit. And he's still at the top of the food chain. That's insane. What a freak.

How old is Jordan? 35. And to practice like that? Yeah. Wrestling's fucking brutal. And 100% natural because he's getting dusted all the time. Damn. That's impressive.

He wouldn't even drink one of these. I offered him abd kill cliff and he was like what's in there i go cbd he's like i don't think i can i'm like i might pop for something i'm like this like this is not gonna make you pop for anything i can't take a chance the trickiest shit with with that what i've learned from my experiences like this one doesn't say it, but if it said dietary supplement on the back or on the bottom, and if it says, uh, supplemental facts instead of nutrition facts, that's when you can't take it unless it's third party tested.

So like a Celsius says dietary supplement on the bottom and it doesn't say it's not third party tested. So that you could, you could test positive for that. Oh, well I guarantee you if you drink Hillcliffs, no, those ones don't. Yeah. Those ones are good. you could test positive for that. Well, I guarantee you, if you drink Kill Cliffs, this is all the stuff. Those ones are good. It's just vitamins

and minerals and fucking... But certain drinks, you gotta be so fucking careful. He grabbed these gummies at the store the other day, these veggie gummies, and he's like, do you want one? I looked at the bag and on the bottom it says dietary supplement. And I can't have... If you're in the USOTOPO, you cannot have anything that says dietary

supplement that is not third-party tested tested because you could fucking test for something. That makes sense. It's fucked. Is it like a deal they have with the USADA? Is it like a certain year deal or is it they just pay them yearly for it? UFC? Yeah. I'm not sure.

I'd pay them off. Hey, fellas, it's enough. It's enough. I think we've proved our point. Yeah. It's crazy. Yeah. I mean, some of the guys that got caught weren't even from USADA.

Like TJ wasn't from USADA. I think it was the Athletic Commission. Yeah. But you know who I can't wait to see climb up to is Bo Nickel. Yeah. Bo Nickel versus Kalmzat. Bo Nickel versus Paolo Costa. Strickland.

Yeah, man. That's going to be fucking good. And he's got fucking hands, dude. Yeah. That's what's interesting. He's such an athlete. Yeah, man. That's going to be fucking good. And he's got fucking hands, dude. Yeah. That's what's interesting. He's such an athlete. Yeah.

You know? He's that next fucking breed. Yep. Yeah. Very interesting to watch, see what happens with that guy. He's a big elk hunter. Is he? Yeah, big bow hunter, man.

Yeah, he seems like an interesting dude. He seems like he's just doing everything right. Smart, dedicated. He's living like a champion. That's what I feel like I was doing before all these guys. Before, like when I was young in the UFC, I was living like a champion. Everybody's pretending I am a champ and I have to defend the belt. And a lot of these guys don't.

What a crazy premiere you had that showed the world who you were with fucking Snoop Dogg and Uriah Faber doing commentary. And really, there's no other opportunity for that to happen because they don't even do that anymore. Yeah, one season. I was on the first season. They did it. I mean, Snoop got a lot of hate for that,

so I don't think they had him back on again. But, yeah, I lucked the fuck out. That right there went so. And he posted on his IG a bunch. He sent me a text after the fight. You did it, nephew. Look at that. That's skinny ass.

Uh... This is so funny, bro. As my boy Snoop is after life. This is so funny, bro. You motherfuckers, that ass, you won't get it. He still calls me Sugar Shane sometimes. That's amazing. Oh, that is funny. I think he called you that on the podcast.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He does. He still does. He's amazing. He's amazing. That dude's a hustler. He's one of those guys that kind of almost weirded me out that he was here. Really?

Yeah, he was like, I'm hanging out with Snoop Dogg. And he's like, we're talking and he's rolling blunts. He's sitting there rolling blunts. I'm like, oh my God, I'm smoking weed with Snoop Dogg. This is so crazy. This is so crazy. That dude's connected. That dude's fucking.

He's a great guy, too. Yeah. Just a great guy. Yeah, those. And again, a fucking real hustler. Been around forever him and shaq yeah him and shaquille o'neal are fucking businessmen yeah yeah i love that smart does it motivate you being around him too is he one of those guys that or is he just

snoop like you think he'd be he's just very nice very friendly very chill and cool to be around he gave me a bunch of gifts gave me some cool cool jackets yeah death row chain throw yes oh yeah it's he's just fucking awesome man it's just yeah it's just weird to be around like it's weird to be on certain around certain iconic people like I'd Quentin Tarantino in here I'm like that's Quinn that's crazy really Quentin Tarantino do you know I'd lucky luckily met him one other night. I met him at the Comedy Store one night. He actually saw me perform, and he came up to me, and he goes, dude, you fucking killed.

That was awesome. And I'm like, holy shit, that's Quentin Tarantino. This is Quentin Tarantino. I mean, I remember being just moving to L.A., and I was with this girl that I dated, and we went to see, at the Man's Chinese Theater, we went to see Pulp Fiction. I remember sitting in that movie theater going, what kind of fucking movie is this? This movie's so wild. I don't think I've seen that. Have you?

You've never seen Pulp Fiction? He hasn't seen any. I don't even know who Quentin Tarantino is. You don't know who Quentin Tarantino is? I don't know shit about, like. You don't know, like, The Hateful Eight or Django? None of that. No? Jackie Brown? None of that. No?

Jackie Brown? Nothing? Nothing. Oh my God, you have so many good movies to see. Kill Bill? I've heard of Kill Bill, but I don't know what it is. What do you do for time? You like playing video games?

I quit. After the Peter Yan fight, I quit. Really? Yeah, I'm fighting for the belt. I'm fucking using those couple hours a day to recover or train. The more I quit gaming. Good for you. After that Peter Jan fight.

Yeah, man. It'll suck that time, baby. It's so fun. And it's a lot of energy. Hour and a half a day, though, with the boys where you can just let loose. You feel like you're in war.

Yeah, it is fun. I fucking love the release. Tim's not giving it up. I love the release. He's been playing more. A little bit of heroin never did anybody wrong. It relaxes me at the end of the day.

Yep. Imagine if you've never seen a Tarantino movie and someone's like, hey, check these out on Netflix. You got some shit to watch. Oh, yeah. Would it be fun? Bro. Bro. You've got some fucking movies to see.

You've got some movies to see. What years are they? Like old, old? No. Well, they started in 94. That's Pulp Fiction. Yeah. So start there. Okay. Pulp Fiction. Yeah. So start there.

Okay. Pulp Fiction's fucking amazing. Reservoir Dogs. Or Reservoir Dogs. That was his first one. That's fucking incredible. He's the actor? He's the producer?

Well, he sometimes has small roles in some of his movies, but he directs, produces, writes in them. He's the fucking man. I mean, he's never made a bad movie. He himself is responsible for some of the greatest movies of all time. That's a crazy fucking skill yeah and he won't he won't do but 10 he's gonna do 10 movies he's done nine so far he's trying to figure out what his 10th movie is and then he's done really yep he's thinking then

i'm done so he writes everyone's lines i'm sure everything yeah that's such a crazy you didn't see once upon a time in hollywood oh my god it, my God, it's good. God damn, that's a good movie. So he's got nine movies I need to watch. Nine bangers. Okay. He didn't have one movie that I watched. Really? That's so crazy.

Not one. All of them are wild. All of them are hyper-violent. To the point where you're like, jeez. Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, it's like he's grandfathered in. Because it's about he's grandfathered in. It's about the Manson family. And Brad Pitt.

Spoiler alert. Yeah. Brad Pitt is the hero in this movie. And there's a scene where he kills a woman smashing her head against a fireplace. And you're like, this is the hero of the movie. And I was watching this going, Tarantino's grandfathered in to make this kind of movie. Nobody else can make this kind of movie. Today, in this climate, it's just too fucked up. Damn.

Sean's never even seen Wolf of Wall Street. Not yet. It's a great movie. I'm nervous. It's good. It's a great movie. I'm like, I just know I might, that's what might send me downhill. No, I'm just joking.

Maybe. I can see how people do that, though. Start making a lot of money, get an opportunity to go travel, go to the club. It's fucking fun. Chicks. Well, also, if you're a stockbroker, like, your whole game is about making money. Well, why are you making money if you're not spending it? And if you're going to spend it, you're going to spend it in extravagant, wild, crazy ways

because that's the thrill, to have that money. And you're fucking in that hedonistic snorting coke lifestyle. In another life. Buying watches. You have a little watch collection?

Yeah I do. But I like functional watches more than like baller diamond encrusted shit. I like like tool watches.

I like dive watches. Like like Grand seikos and rolexes and shit like that yeah you have some nice rolexes to see when you're uh doing the ufc and stuff yeah i want to do the ufc i wear a nice watch but like this is a garment i wear this this is my watch i wear when i'm hunting whole other world huh the watch world yeah the watch world's a whole nother world yeah people could drop some serious cheddar on those oh geez they're running around like ed sheer hand he was uh running around uh and someone watch world's a whole nother world. People could drop some serious cheddar on those watches. Oh, dude's running around like Ed Sheerhan. He was running around

and someone said that's a half a million dollar watch he's got on. Ed. Okay. Fucking redheads. What kind of watch are you wearing there, Sean? I'm wearing a Richard. Is it Richard Millet? Oh, dude, you went baller.

Yeah, I had to baller. Woo! That's not even the strong one. The strong one's over with Jamie. Jamie's got the strong one. That one made me cry. I chucked the strong one towards you. No.

Oh, my God. Let's fucking go. Holy shit, that's powerful. My eyes are watering. Oh. Yeah. I just had a... Oh, no, no, no, no.

I just had an urge to just hit it real quick. Yeah. Oh, my God. It gets in there. It gets in your blood. When we leave those around the Comedy Club green room, like last night, everybody's hitting it. Yeah.

I don't even mean to. It just happened. Well, you see people do it. You're like, everybody's hitting it. Yeah. I don't even mean to. It just happened. Well, you see people do it. You're like, I want to try. I want to try. I want to try. Yeah, I always wanted to try after seeing you guys hit it on the pod. I'm like, God, I've got to rip them.

Are they allowed to do that in boxing anymore? Because they used to do that where they would give them some solid salts in between rounds. Fuck. Imagine you get cracked and you're like, oh, I'm good. Yeah, no shit. I wonder if that'll do it. I don't know if the commissions will allow it. It's banned.

Yeah, commissions. I wonder why. Is it a performance enhancer? Or is it just dangerous? After Panama Lewis gave Aaron Pryor something, some unknown substance in between rounds against Alexis Arguello, Panama Lewis was known for cheating. He's a known bad guy.

And he gave Aaron Pryor this, he goes, give me another bottle. No, the one I mixed. And he gives it to him, and he gives it to Aaron Pryor, who was a known, he had known coke problems. And probably uses smelling salts, a growing concern. Look at that guy's

eyes. Did they find out what was in his drink? 80% of NFL players are known to use it. 80%? What's the problem? I wonder what's like. I've seen the biggest. Oh, look at this shit. Trauma patients often suffer neck injuries that may be undetected.

The first response to a noxious smell to suddenly jerk the head away from the stimulus. No. this can result in a dislocating and injured spine and potential perilous brow. I can see that. Well, I can see if you had a hurt neck. But if you did have a hurt neck, like if you got KO'd in football, or clashed,

and your head's fucked up, and they give you a smell, and you're like, and you don't realize your neck's jacked, I can see that. But in other circumstances. That're like, ah! Yeah. Yeah, and you don't realize your neck's jacked. I could see that. But in other circumstances. That's like 1% chance. Yeah, like if you get dinged with an uppercut,

and in between rounds they give you that. They banned them from fighting because they can hide concussion symptoms. Oh, I guess that is a benefit. If you were subject up, you wouldn't know you're fucked up. Oh. That's what this says. It says in the 70s they were eventually banned. I could see that, though.

That kind of just fucking puts you in the... But is it better to just go out and still be concussed and fight? Because people are always concussed and fighting. That's a very good point. I mean, think about Snoop. I mean, excuse me. Think about, excuse me, like how many times has a fighter been cracked early in a fight and then you see they're still

dealing with that later in the fight and then afterwards they don't even remember the fight yeah a lot that happens yeah oftentimes right like that person's concussed yeah it happens all the time well you guys win fights and they're concussed and they're like you know after the second round i was on autopilot and i went back to my corner i said what round is it they're like round five i'm like what yeah how's this round five? Like okay out of Sonia versus Strickland that first round when he got Correct. Yeah high likelihood of concussion 100% chance 100% chance

I mean he got dropped spun around and then one two three four how many left? He hit him with like probably 20 20. Clean. At least. A bunch were clean. You got to think he's dinged after that fight. And when you only said his arms felt like rubber and like how much of that was a factor? Could he easily been a factor when they said it didn't look like him in there? Maybe that's why. I mean, it easily could be from that. Most likely.

Especially because he shows up every time. Yeah. That fucking hits him right back. Woo! And I'm back. Yeah. Oh, you have to put a little on your finger for the next fight,

just in case. Yeah, just have some... You know, when you... Is Tom Brady doing it? TB12, baby. He's apparently known for doing it. Oh, really? He's part.

I bet he is. I bet he's known for doing every goddamn thing that works. Yeah. I just listened to him on the PBD pod. Oh, was? I bet he is. I bet he's known for doing every goddamn thing that works. Yeah. I just listened to him on the PBD pod. Oh, was he on that? Yeah, he was on that. Interesting guy.

But that was good. Playing at that high level for that long and just taking care of his body. I like listening to that shit. You have to be insanely smart. Yeah. To be a quarterback. That's the craziest fucking position in all sports, I feel like. Yeah, you have to know so much about what's going on

I went to my first NFL game two weeks ago Were you like in the sweet or G were you about gonna on the 50-yard line? That's like front row 50-yard line changes it when it's that close insane. What do you think of it? It was incredible So fun, it's so fun Can't watch it on TV and there's like 80,000 people in there, and everyone's going nuts when they're cheering. And it's in Dallas, and the Cowboys are playing. Those players just look like dinosaurs marching off the field. Oh, my God.

These dudes are so fucking huge. They're so massive. Yeah. You know? Which is kind of weird that the UFC has a 265-pound weight limit, isn't it? Yeah. I feel like there's a whole another ball game if you open up that 265 plus, which is good.

Right, a super heavyweight division. But who would do it? Because everyone is preparing to be 265. So who... You would have to develop your talent outside where they have a super heavyweight division. And I don't know of anybody that has one.

UFC could probably figure that out. Does one FC have a weight limitweight division, and I don't know of anybody that has one. UFC could probably figure this out. Does 1FC have a weight limit on their heavyweights? I'm not even sure. That's a good question. Google that, Jamie. Does 1FC have a 265-pound weight limit? That was when I looked this up the other day. I couldn't find the last super heavyweight fight.

It was, like, in 2018. Remember the Pride ones with, like, that Doohyun Choi, the 7-foot guy fighting Fedor? Oh, yeah. When they'd have those super matches. Yeah. They had crazy fights over in Pride. I'm so glad there's white glasses.

Oh, my God. That would not be fun. UFC 1. Fuck. I would have been fucked. If you have your skills now, though, you might not be fucked. Way back in the day. That's 265 also.

One FCS, 265 also? Yeah. That's such a weird number. Is that a boxing thing or no? No, not at all. Wait, boxing doesn't have the weight, right? Boxing doesn't have the weight. Tyson Fury's like 280, 290 sometimes in his fights.

Yeah. I feel like I'm more excited for the... I'm excited for that fight, but I feel like I'm more excited for Dylan versus Logan and KSI versus Tommy. Are you really? I don't know why. I just keep forgetting about... I feel like i'm more excited for dylan versus logan and ksi versus tommy are you really i don't know why i just keep forgetting about i feel like they're promoting it very well i'm seeing it all over and then i'm not really seeing francis versus tyson all over as much as i'm seeing the other ones that's interesting i'm not paying attention at all to the

dylan versus logan thing other than the online drama occasionally yeah it's not to me but i try to avoid all that stuff like oh man it's up his girlfriend i know like where's the line i'm getting a new number when i get my new number i'm not putting any apps on my phone smart i'm gonna keep this phone and just have apps on that phone and just every now and then when i have to post or something like that i'll post but my new phone no apps i just it's too much do you have a good time scrolling on instagram though seeing like bow hunting stuff yeah yeah if i could curate it correctly but it's too much. Do you have a good time scrolling on Instagram though seeing like bow hunting stuff? Yeah, yeah, if I could curate it correct, but it's too late I follow like 5,000 people because I'm you know, I fight someone post something

I think is funny or something. I like I go follow why it's not gonna hurt me to follow them Yeah, so I follow so many people Yeah And then the algorithm recommends people that I don't follow and things I don't follow. And so many of those are murder. And butt on Insta? Animal attacks. Butt cheeks. Yeah, but that's normal.

You could find sex online. I mean, that's like one third of internet traffic if you seek it out. But in the Instagram feed, when I'm looking, I'm seeing people get killed by bulls. Jesus. I don't see any of that on mine. Bro, my algorithm's a mess. It's all muscle cars and people getting killed and people getting knocked unconscious. How crazy is that fucking X Plaid or just the Plaid Tesla?

It's insane. Have you driven in it? I got fucking pulled over again. I have one. I got pulled over again. Literally the exact, so right before I went to Boston, a couple days before Boston, I got pulled over on the highway exact so right before I went to Boston I got pulled over on the highway and pulled into the same neighborhood

and fucking right before I got here got pulled over same highway same neighborhood same cop I'm like fuck so I gotta go deal with that when I get home but those X's are fucking insane they're so fast even on the highway you're going 90,

it's just like, it feels like you're going 60. It makes no sound. Yeah. And when you merge, you don't feel like a douchebag. If I merge in my Porsche, it's like,

like I feel like a dickhead. Yeah. But I'm faster than that in the Plaid. It makes, no sound, just, yeah,

for real. It's like, defies time. Yeah. It just, time real. It's like defies time. Yeah. It just... I don't get it. Time travels. It's just...

The way they move... It's 0-60 in 1.9 seconds for a four-door sedan. Stupid. Bonkers. So stupid. And wait until he comes out with that little one. I'm excited. That little...

The two-door? The two-door. Yeah. The Roadster. That thing's going to be 1.5, 1.7, 0 to 60. Jesus. And it's going to handle because all the weight's going to be at the bottom because that's where the weight of the batteries is. Jesus.

So it's like a beautiful center of gravity. Those cars have a phenomenal center of gravity. Yeah. I'm hoping I don't get my license suspended. Are you worried? No. I feel like if I am, I'll just fucking sell all my cars, get a Sprinter van, and hire my dad to drive me around full time. So I'm not too worried about it.

But I'd rather not. How many tickets do you have? I've only got a couple. How many are from the Lamborghini? None. Zero from the Lambo. I got the new Corvette. None from that.

It's always in the Tesla. Always in the fucking Tesla. Going on the highway going too fast. It's just too easy to cruise in those. I just don't feel like that's too fast like it's just not it's like a good speed 90s okay it isn't that thing i think for certain people not for an old grandma but i'm fucking alert i'm watching you're a pro yeah i should be able to go 90 i'm talking about see what i can do about that talk to the state athletic commission why why do they even make cars that go so fast where it's illegal to drive? Because it's kind of like they have to do it.

Why are they making computers? Unless you're doing what Jamie does or you're doing video editing or something like that or playing insane computer games, why do you need that much processing power? But every year the new one comes out and you want the new thing. When people look at 0 to 60 numbers, that's like a thing they all look at. What is it? Yay, the new BMW N5. 0-60 in 3.2.

Are you really going 0-60 that fast? What are you, a fucking psycho? Didn't they have a new electric Lucid or some shit that's faster than the 1.9? I don't believe so. I don't believe the Lucid is faster, but there is a supercar that is faster than that. It's an electric $2 million

supercar that somebody makes than that it's an electric two million dollar supercar that somebody makes that's fucking insane jesus the new electric ferraris look the fastest thing that i've ever been in by far though is john hennessey's venom john hennessey do you know he is is that he's this psychotic texas tuner guy who takes like i have a ram i. I fucking love it. I have a Ram TRX. Even a stock Ram TRX is the best truck I've ever driven. They're fucking great. It's comfortable. It's got a very compliant suspension and it's crazy off-road capable.

I mean, those things you can Baja race in those motherfuckers. And he takes that and he makes it a thousand horsepower. It comes from the factory. It's 700, seven something. And he cranks it up to a thousand. So it's a giant Ram truck that goes zero to 60 in like three and a half seconds. What's the Venom?

The Venom is his supercar. It's all carbon fiber and it's 2,000 horsepower. That's what it's called? It's just called a Venom? Yeah, dude. What the fuck? What's the 060, Jamie? Scroll back up. So it goes 250 miles an hour.

It costs $2.5 million. That's what it looked like that you went in? Yeah, he brought it here. You look at it and you just go, oh my God. Do they make any other cars? Oh, he makes a bunch of shit. But this is a totally made in-factory car. Oh, okay.

What he does with most stuff is tunes them. This thing is so insane. I think it's beautiful. And he took me for a ride in it. I was terrified. Fuck. Faster than the plaids? Oh, yeah.

What? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. A lot faster. Is it electric? No. Gas. Damn.

And it sounds like a demon. That thing's fucking sexy it's so sexy what you've seen in real life it's incredible it's incredible so it's just like jesus christ that's the fastest thing i've ever been in yeah that thing's nuts i mean it's literally like a race car you think about treating yourself to one yeah that's dangerous i don't know if i want to go fast, I'll take the Plaid. And if I want to have fun, I'll take a muscle car. I like muscle cars.

The Rumble. Something about the sound. I never was a sound guy either, but I do like the sound of it. Bro, I'll let you drive one of mine. One of the real ones. It's got a fully independent suspension. See this guy driving it on the Autobahn? Yeah, the Tesla.

Fucking Topsy goes so fast. It's going. That's miles per hour? No, that's not no that's kilometers yeah yeah but still I was like Jesus but what is like what's 260 kilometers or whatever the top speeds over 200 miles an hour yeah they're fast holy fuck it's just how fast it gets to 60 that's so bomb yeah yeah I fucking love stepping on that my little princess too she left when she's in the back and

I step on a little bit, she goes, ah! She loves it. She's faster. I taught my 15-year-old how to drive in that. Really? Yeah. That's funny. With it on ludicrous mode?

It's always on ludicrous mode. Yeah, mine was, too. I never take it off. But I taught her how to drive in that. It's easy to control. That's the difference between that and, like, other high-power cars. You can drive in that very slowly, easily. It's not hard to do. It's it's like the perfect car to drive around like for a commuter car it's the best car ever i take

it more than anything yeah i love that car i'm always taking that or i take the ram it's weird when you drive the teslas too with the regenerative braking then getting a different car it's like what the yeah right it is weird you're used to just driving with one pedal yeah letting it slow itself down. Or if you're on cruise control on a different car and you forget that it doesn't slow down when you get behind someone, you're like, fuck, I'll hit him. Boop, boop. When you hit that, doo-doop, and it like stays in the lane and drives around.

Oh, that's so nice. I need to use it fucking more because apparently. God. So how many tickets have you gotten? Just like two within the last couple months, but this motherfucker got three within like, or no, you got, that last one you didn't get a ticket because the cop knew you. But this motherfucker was just in the same position I was in. You got to go to court and everything too.

I got to go. What did you drive, Tim? Just the Model 3. Tesla, yeah. It's fast as fuck too. Fucking love it. I love it. That's a great car for the value.

Yeah. Oh my God. I was at a red light and I was right then I was in my gg3 RS which sounds fucking insane and this this model 3 just yeah you silently yeah and you know this kind of an economy car yeah for the price those things are fucking... Incredible. Perfect cars.

Incredible, yeah. And if you have a charger at your house, it's the shit. Yeah. Yeah, you just plug it into your house. You never have to go

to a gas station. You know those sketchy moments where you're coming home and it's one o'clock in the morning and you're on E? Like, fuck. I want to get gas.

Yeah. But I don't want to fucking pull into some weird station and get carjacked. Right. You know? Fuck. Yeah, you see too many videos.

I mean, especially in a busy city, the hoveling, when you can just click that self-drive and it sits back. That's nice. Have a jack. It just sucks. Yeah. You ever seen people falling asleep in those things in traffic? They're asleep in the car.

Yeah. Yeah. And the car's just- That's fucking terrifying. I couldn't do that. But those motherfuckers probably worked for 10 hours. Yeah. There's a lot of Silicon Valley people that are just on their last edge. Last fucking- That's fucking terrifying. I couldn't do that. But those motherfuckers probably worked for 10 hours. A lot of Silicon Valley people are just on their last edge.

Last fucking... Yeah. Ran out of Adderalls. Yeah. Yeah. We still haven't been to a Buc-ee's. We keep hearing about Buc-ee's. Oh, I talked about it last night. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You gotta go. We went to H-E-B thinking it's Buc-ee's. No. Oh, H-E-B's gonna be sweet. Yeah, I didn't think it was gonna be a Buc-ee's. I knew the difference. But you keep hearing about H-E-B. I kept hearing on Kill Tony, they talk about it, talk about it. No. Oh, H-E-B's going to be sweet. Yeah, I didn't think it was going to be a Bucky's. I knew the difference, but you keep hearing about H-E-B. I kept hearing on Kill Tony,

they talk about it, talk about it, talk about it. I'm like, I got to go. We go, and I'm like, what the fuck? We thought it was like a Whole Foods. We thought it was like a Whole Foods. We thought it was going to be

like a nice organic Whole Foods or some shit. No. Yeah, we didn't go to Whole Foods. There's a place called Central Market that's actually better than Whole Foods. Really? Central Market's great.

It's like an advanced Whole Foods. Yeah, yeah. Nice. But it's also like an advanced Whole Foods. It's like Whole Foods, but even better. It's great. It's like an advanced Whole Foods. But it's also like an advanced Whole Foods. It's like Whole Foods, but even better. It's great. That place is great. Out here. But HB's is a good, nice supermarket. But I think we went to

a dirtier one. Buc-ee's is an experience, man. You can buy tents at Buc-ee's. Yeah, we need a Buc-ee's. Fishing equipment. Buc-ee's is nuts. It's so big. Really? You're talking about like hundreds of pumps. You sit there like, what is going on? It's like a. Really? You're talking about hundreds of pumps. You sit there like, what is going on? It's like a parking lot filled with pumps.

That's badass. Yeah, it makes sense of your bit when you said what. It's just Texas. Makes sense. Yeah. You usually do Instacart or you go shopping? Or your wife? What do you mean? Like when you get groceries and stuff? What's Instacart? Instacart's like a new app. You can just go to whatever store, click it in your thing,

and they'll deliver it right to your door. Nah, go shopping. Yeah. Just push a fucking cart around and say hi to people. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Is it constantly pictures?

Are people kind of leaving a little bit alone? Mostly they leave me alone. People out here are cool, man. Just like hi. They're friendly. Yeah. It's not like,

it doesn't feel douchey. You know? It's like, they're just folks. Yeah. Shopping. Fans, too. Listen to the pod, you know? It's like, they're just folks. Yeah. Shopping. Fans, too. Listen to the pod.

Some of them are cool. Most people are just nice. They come over, hey, like your show. Yeah. Thank you. It's nice. Yeah. No big deal.

Yeah, it is nice. That's how I feel like it is out kind of in Arizona where we're at out there. It's not too bad. But one thing does happen to people, and it's going to happen to you, too, is like as you get more and more famous, sometimes people get anxiety about social circumstances just because you don't want to get bothered. Yeah. I felt that before. Yeah.

Where I was like, gosh. I want to go take a pee at a restaurant. I don't really want to walk past people and then go in the bathroom and sit in there. Especially you because you're so identifiable. Yeah. Which is great. And then I try to go incognito and I have a sugar hat with a sugar shirt And sugar shorts I'm like, that didn't work

My hair's fucking pink All your cars are like flashy colors I know Come on, man, you're a star That's how you gotta do it Hey, how did you pick that song that you came out to? Because it was the perfect song I picked it, it's funny

I listened to that song for a long time But I played it in Abu Dhabi I knew it wouldn't be a banger in Abu Dhabi because it's just different cultural. The pay-per-view, I knew it wasn't going to be too good, but for me, I was like, this is my moment. I'm going to walk out to it. I actually walked out to it, too, when I fought Jose Quinones. So after I broke my foot when I came back, I walked out to it in Vegas at T-Mobile.

Now I went away from it for a little bit, but I knew that was going was gonna fucking just you got a song in mind for the rematch with cheeto yeah i don't there's there i do have a different song in mind but i also might stick with superstar it's a good one man yeah good one and there's a thing that happens with certain fighters where when they they play a song people get used to it yeah when uriah faber used to come out to... Oh, yeah, Jose Aldo. Chris Weidman. Chris Weidman. Chris Weidman. Chael, even.

Yep. Chael. Yeah, there's a thing with fighters with a song. With Anderson Silva. Ain't no sunshine when she's gone. Oh, he walked out of that? He did? I didn't know that.

Yeah. That's cool. When John Jones comes out, the champ is here. Bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum. The champ is here the champ is here that's a good one Matt Hughes' song

yeah Country Boy Can't Survive that was the greatest one that was the greatest one cause at the time you know when Matt was the fucking man and he would come out

to that song woo yeah that was pimp yeah that's what's a great opening line too the preacher man says it's the end of time

yeah the walkouts being there and that and that uh being at a ufc fight there's just something about those walkouts dude that moment everyone's just looking right at that tunnel waiting it's so weird because even it's the most calm i ever am in my life is in those in that moment before we walk really even in the back but i'm at a i'm just calm. And you know what's really cool is the documentary crew was following me around this last fight. UFC is putting out a really, really cool documentary next year.

And they were following me around. They had all the access in the back. But, yeah, I just fucking feel so calm. You think that's from the meditation? I think it's definitely I've learned how to get into that state of mind but i also know that that's just where i perform the best at like i'm very calm do you ever feel yourself getting like hyped up or ramped up and then you just go slow down no comment you just it's all calm just calm the fight week, I feel very calm. Fight day, I feel very calm.

And then just warming up in the back, I feel very calm. And sometimes I'm like, yeah, I just, fuck, I don't know. It's weird. You go into it. I have a conversation with myself to where I kind of with my breath, I'm going to say, all right, I'm just going to let my higher self take over. All the work was put in. I'm going to just surrender to this moment let the higher

self take over and i feel like i i've kind of i don't say mastered that because you know i feel like there's always work to do but i feel like i've gotten i've been able to do it pretty much every single ufc fight i've been able to go in there and just flow whatever happens happens i completely accept that even if i go out there and lose, that my life is still good. I still have my princess, still have my family, still got my friends. Life's okay. And I feel like I accept that 100%. I also haven't had to deal with a loss.

So we'll see if it ever happens. That's why it's always impressive with people like Bisping after Hendo knocked him out, to come back and become the champion. Oh, yeah. And to do it with one eye that's insane the guy fought 10 fights including winning the world title with one eye that was one of my favorite moments in the UFC because I don't I didn't watch the UFC very too far back but one of the one of the coolest moments was when Bisping knocked out Rockhold it was incredible it was fucking insane it just shows you this sport you can't take anything for granted fucking left you can't take anybody for granted you can't you

can't be overconfident nope you can't you can't sleep on people you can't anything can happen luke was the definition of overconfident going into that fight i feel like this is at his fucking demeanor and it's just like everything yeah i and, you know, justifiably so. Yeah. He just smoked Chris Weidman, looked like the fucking man. Everybody's like, Jesus Christ, this guy's a stone-cold killer. Smoked Bisping after a full fight camp. Now he's fighting him on two weeks.

Yeah. That whole story. Remember he hit him with that question mark kick? Ooh, and then guillotined him. Ooh, yeah. That was bad. Rockhold's a fucking savage, man. He was a fucking savage.

And then Mike Perry all pieced him like that in a bare knuckle. That was crazy. I was excited for that. That was exciting. Mike Perry is just uniquely qualified to fight in that shit. He's built for that. He's designed for it. And he's kind of fighting them motherfuckers.

Even his grappling was underrated. He could fucking grapple. He's strong as shit and he's so game and like mindset is such an important quality and his mindset is a rottweiler yeah he's just a savage just let's go what i remember bare knuckle kind of got blew up a little bit for a second but i don't i haven't heard anything have they not had another big event yet they're gonna have uh look jorge mazdal's doing mma yeah which is i like that a lot it's interesting have you ever thought about doing that i would never never no

no i like fucking that little bit of padding i got for that baby i feel like i got pretty strong hands though like pretty big hands strong hands but uh i'd rather i'd rather not they'll break yeah i'd rather i mean i think what they're doing with the wrap, too, is odd. Like, you wrap the hand up and the wrist up, but you leave the knuckles. Like, one of the vulnerabilities of the hand is not just the fact that the hands are brittle, but the fact that when you punch something, like, your hand is not really designed to with—you have to really be good at hitting just like that. In the right way.

And if this happens, like, I fucked my wrist up once when I was young where I didn't tape it right, and I hit someone with a body shot and I caught their elbow and twisted my wrist back. My wrist was fucked up for like a year after that. You blew your bicep out throwing a body shot like that. Boom. I watched it. Separated?

I was filming. He was sparring. He had a fight coming up. I was filming his rounds, and he threw a body shot on this guy, and it fucking watched his bicep go up through his arm. It was so gross. It sounded like a t-shirt. Did you get it reattached?

Yeah. Both of them? Yeah, both. Oh, both of them went out? Both of them. And his brothers. It's like a crazy gene. That is weird, yeah.

It is weird. Matt Serra did that and never got it fixed. So when he makes one bicep, it's like in the middle of it, it like pops up. It's like he's missing the front part of the bicep like up to here. That dude's a character. Oh, he's so funny. He's so funny. I like watching him on certain things. He's a fucking wild man.

He's great on podcasts. Yeah. We did this podcast with my friend John Rollo, Dean Thomas, and him. It was amazing. It's like, he's so funny, man. His stories and just his energy and his character. Yeah, he's a funny motherfucker. He's the classic New York funny Italian guy. You know?

Hell yeah. And an amazing jujitsu guy. God damn, was he good when he was young. Really? Matt Serra was the fucking man. I mean, he's a world championship caliber. Like, as elite as anybody. Did he do Gi too or just no Gi?

Gi and no Gi. He did everything. Yeah. He's a world championship caliber. Like, as elite as anybody. Did he do Gi, too, or just no Gi? Gi and no Gi. He did everything. Yeah. He's a fucking assassin. Like, a super high-level black belt. Well, he has good, I mean, that's where Aljo, those guys train out of, right? Fucking under him. Yeah.

That whole Henzo Gracie lineage is one of the greatest lineages in jiu-jitsu. Mm-hmm. I mean, think about who came from there. The John Donahue, Gordon Ryan, all those guys. They all came out of that one camp. Gary Tonin. Mm-hmm. You knowig jones craig jones came over the it's like so many elite guys came out of that one i wonder what crone's gonna do i wonder if he's like fucking i'm done it's done that last fight was a bummer that was great we were there live and it was just yeah that charles jordan though i mean that was good he had a good game plan good fucking execution i wonder

if that cron's just so like stuck in his ways a little bit. Because we were going to visit Montana. I hit him up to maybe get some training in with him for Sugar and I. Didn't hit us back. They say he just stays in the mountains, just trains when he feels like it. And it looked like that. It's got to be crazy. Those guys are your family, though.

It's like how much pressure is on you to be great. But it's also in this world of today just jiu-jitsu is not enough it might be enough like if you catch alex casares like he did you know and you get his back and i mean if chrome gets on you yeah you're fucked you're fucked i mean it's jiu-jitsu at the high but he's got to get on top yeah because he was he was on his bottom on bottom against charles and he just char Charles did a good job keeping his hips squared. Charles is a real black belt as well. That's the thing.

Charles is very high level on the ground, and he's so skillful. He just subbed Ricardo Lamos, didn't he? I didn't see that. I heard that, though. That's fucking impressive. Yeah, he's legit. Charles Jodain is super legit, super technical, very well-rounded, can do everything.

That's exciting for a 45 division. In this day and age, too, it's going to be hard to just be dangerous off your back and the guard. Everyone's just so fucking good at jiu-jitsu now. There's so many world champions you can find and feel them. So to have a good guard, I mean, fuck. The scariest guy off his back today in the UFC is Paul Craig. Paul Craig catches people with triangles with like one second to go. Magomedov,

he got him like one second to go in a fight he's losing. Charles Oliveira, too, gets that overhook. Oh, yeah. He starts fucking butchering. Oh, Oliveira's nasty. I'm excited for that.

That's very interesting, right? October, Abu Dhabi, Charles Islam, too, Paulo versus Hamza. Yeah. Oh, that's sick. I wish it was, I mean,

if it was here, I'd go, but fucking Abu Dhabi That's a flight That's a long ass flight But I would love To see Charles Fucking win That would make for

A huge trilogy It would be Maybe call Khabib out No there's no shot That's not Khabib yeah But it's also It's like you kind of see

Vulnerability in Islam After that fight With Volkanovski First of all you see How good Volkanovski really is Pound for pound Fucking animal Yeah He's number one Pound for pound. Fucking animal. He's number one pound for pound.

You have to say, they have him not listed as pound for pound because he lost that fight. I think you can make a real argument that he won that fight. On top, at the end of the fifth, pounding on him, it's hard not to. I think he won the fight. In my mind, he won the fight. I think he did more damage. I think he imposed his skill set.

It's also insanely impressive that he goes up from 45 to fight a massive 55. A guy who's as big at 55 as anybody is. And, you know, at the end of the fight, he's on top, beating him up. He drops him, gets on top of him. I mean, and had massive moments throughout the fight. But it sort of at least gives an air of vulnerability to Islam, where before that, most people were like, this guy's unstoppable. Oh, fuck.

Charles got to have seen some confidence from that. I'd get some. But then again, Islam just smushed him when he got on top of him. I mean, he didn't even just most people walk into Charles' full guard. He forced the half guard right away. Pinched his knees, forced the half guard. Like, what a good-ass idea. But he also rocked him, dropped him. Boom.

Maybe Charles wasn't. That, too. Yeah, that, too. Yeah, there's a lot of factors. But looking at Charles versus Benil Darius, she's like he's back. And he's such an interesting case, right? Because at one point in time

like the Cub Swanson fight and a couple of his other fights, people are like, well, Charles just doesn't have it. Whatever it is, he just falls apart. Then he has a kid. He has a daughter. Is that what it was? Yeah, man. I can see that. Well, he went up to 55 too, right? That too.

The 45 was real bad on him. It was real bad on him. It was just rough. He did 55 before. I think he did 55 in the initial fights in the UFC. But against Efrain Escudero, I think that was 55. He was just too dehydrated and fucked up to fight at 45 and for whatever reason just didn't have it together mentally.

Yeah. And then boom, all of a sudden he's the fucking man. Yeah, it's almost just so cool seeing those guys with a lot of losses become the fucking man. Jorge, when he did, that was fucking sweet. He came on the scene with those knockouts. like Jorge when he did. Yeah. That was fucking sweet.

He fucking came on the scene with those knockouts. It is kind of crazy when you see a guy who's, like, gone, like, to a point where you're kind of starting to write him off. And then all of a sudden becomes, like, there was a moment where people were like, Oliveira might be the best pound-for-pound fighter on earth. Yeah. After Gaethje.

Yeah, man. I mean, that was incredible to do that to Gaethje. Yeah. Gaethje versus Islam is very interesting, too, though. Yeah, it is. That's a fucking... Gaethje's a monster on the feet. Coming off that KO win, that was fucking wild. He's a monster on the feet, and he's a serious wrestler.

Yeah. You know, there's a lot going on with that. When he beat Fazeev, I was like, holy shit. Yes. He beat him at Fazeev's game. Yep. That was impressive as fuck. I wouldn't be surprised if Gaethje fucked up Islam, or knocked him out.

I wouldn't be that surprised. I'd be like. You know what? Islam's got very underrated striking. That motherfucker is skilled on the feet. He's very technical. He's skilled everywhere. Yeah.

He's underrated on the feet for sure. Oh, my God. His top pressure is next level. Yeah. His top pressure just smushes people. Yeah. Everyone says he's just freakishly strong. Well, he's so big. I mean, what does he weigh before he cuts to 55?

He's got to be in the 190s. God damn, you think? Yeah. I've never seen him in person. He's big, dude. Big fucker. He's got a big back. He's thick.

Colby called him out, right? Yeah. That's a sick fight. Colby versus Leon would be sweet, too. Colby can make 55. He could, for sure. Yeah, he's not a big 70 at all. Damn, that would be crazy if he wins the belt at 170 and he's the first guy to go, well, I guess Henry tried to go to TJ, but go down to 55 and fight.

Because Islam probably is bigger than Colby. Probably. Or around the same size. That would be crazy. It would be crazy. Has he ever fought at 55 in the UFC? No. No, he hasn't.

So that would be interesting to see how the cut goes. But, you know, you got to get past Leon. That's no fucking thing. That guy is so good. And after he beat Usman the second fight, you realize his takedown defense is more impressive and his striking is as good as anybody in the sport. Yeah.

That fucking head kick was so nasty. Pound for pound, head shot, dead. That was so cold. That was like, oh. So cold. Southpaw and Southpaw, too. And Colby seemed to do good against Southpaws. He takes them down fucking pretty easy.

Yeah. Punch, takedown, punch. Yeah. The thing about Leon is you can't zig when you should have zagged. Yeah. You know, he'll find your chin. Yeah, he's accurate. He's a good striker.

And he's got that championship level confidence now. Wins the title by the most spectacular headshot, one of the most spectacular head kicks in the sport. To win a title in a fight you're losing against Kamaru Usman, who is the nightmare, right? And he's winning, and you just crack. In the fifth round in Utah, Elevation, fifth round. Walk-off kick.

So crazy. So crazy. And that he called it John Anik was the greatest call in sports history yeah that was wild that is not the cloth from which he is cut

to whack boom like what yeah and then Kamara you know what one thing I think Kamara fucked up

was talking about how bad his knees are I remember he said that on the pod because I never knew but then he would he brought it up when he was doing the pod with you saying he has to walk backwards downstairs he's to walk in the grass sometimes think just talking I

think if you're a fighter and you got some some real injuries keep that shit under wrap because if another if you're fighting someone and I know they're fucked up somewhere or something he gives you a little edge maybe maybe not but I feel like he fuck definitely gives you a Yeah, you definitely know something's going on. If you see him wince when something moves, like, oh, this guy's knees are fucked. Yeah, and you definitely can kick the back of his legs and try to jar all that shit.

It's already inflamed and sore. Yeah, but who knows? That motherfucker ran the shit for a while. He ran the shit for a while. Did you see Tyron Woodley say he'll come back only if he can fuck up Izzy? Come on. I like Tyron Woodley, but, I mean,

Izzy's just a fucking sniper. Don't you think that that is probably, like, when guys are, it's kind of over, and they're trying to find something to get a little bit. And then, yeah, maybe they weren't allowed, like, some extra TRT, some sauce, and then they get on it, and then they're like, I'm fucking back, baby. Yeah, probably, honestly.

Yeah, who knows? I mean, he was always naturally genetically gifted. I mean, as a natural athlete, he looked fucking insane. Yeah. You know? Remember when he knocked out Robbie Lawler? My God. That was crazy.

Yeah. Tyron was crazy. The Jay Heron fight might have been one of his most impressives. That was like one of his first big KOs in the UFC. You ever see that fight? Pull up Tyron Woodley, Jay Heron. He hit him with like this just leaping forward like blitz punch and cracked him and then put him away.

He was a monster, man. Tyron Woodley has some serious power. It's crazy how you can just see someone dominate and then put him away. He was a monster, man. Tyrone Woodley has some serious power. It's crazy how you can just see someone dominate, and then it's the next guy, and now it's Kamaru dominating. Now it's Leon Champ. Am I thinking of Josh Koscheck? Oh, maybe.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know... Then he hit him while he was going down? Douche. Maybe he knocked out Jay Heron, too. He did. He did. Yeah, let's see the Jay Heron fight first.

Yeah, Tyron was a monster Okay, maybe it's just even more impressed what is he was doing for as long as he was doing it and Alexander Volkanovsky Fight defend fight defend fight defend. I haven't seen this so he look how jacked he is and this is like completely Oh boom. I mean look at this is a sprint Boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom And this is Tyron at his most vicious. Oh, fuck. Yeah, his most vicious in the beginning of his career. Fucking NFL running back.

No, he was phenomenal. He was phenomenal in his prime. Yeah. That's crazy. Listen, boys. We just did like four hours. No way. Yeah, it's close to it.

It's five o'clock already. Jesus. Crazy. Hell yeah. That went fast. I know. That was crazy. That's that smell insult. Listen, man. Congratulations to it. It's 5 o'clock already. Jesus. Crazy. Hell yeah. That went fast. I know. That was crazy. That's that smelling salt.

Listen, man, congratulations on everything. It's been amazing. And to have you guys on five years ago when you're kind of just plotting this out. I know. Fuck yeah. To coming back on as the champ with one of the most amazing championship winning performances in the history of the sport. It's fucking awesome, man.

I'm so happy for you. Yeah, thanks for having us on. Thanks for doing what you do because I fucking enjoy the podcast just as a fan. It's fucking awesome man I'm so happy for you yeah thanks for having us on thanks for doing what you do cause I fucking enjoy the podcast as just a fan it's fucking amazing so yeah thank you for having us back on

my pleasure thanks a ton bro thank you alright bye everybody Bye.