The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #15 with Brendan Schaub

Episode Date: February 13, 2018

Joe is joined by Brendan Schaub to discuss recent and upcoming fights in MMA and boxing.

I might do a show with Diaz in New York. Boom. Live? Jamie's giving me the not sure look. Yes. You and Joey Diaz talking about doing a show in New York? Maybe, man. Where at?

Maybe, brother. Oh, okay. You don't want to talk about it? Yeah, no. You need to finalize it. You want to hear? I got a Joey Diaz story. We're going to do a show with me and Joey and Yoel motherfucking Romero.

And he's going to talk to him if he gets confused in Spanish. That's going to be amazing. Because Joey's from Cuba. Dude, are you kidding me? So Joey Diaz is going to translate? It's totally Joey's idea. Joey says, bro, I've been talking to him. I love this fucking guy.

We'd have an amazing podcast, you and me. You throwing the questions at him. If shit gets weird, I'll come to him in Spanish will understand each other better it's a brilliant idea this is what Joey said he said he goes tell him that I want to be on his podcast because he has love for Cuba and under he understands Cuban love love it like that all that shit that he was doing a Luke Rockhold after he knocked him out like that's intense up that's in can give me a few minutes you just knocked me into freaking that's intense port of air at the give me a fucking second to get my wits about me and then kiss me on the lips or whatever the fuck you want to do it

his ability to just be calm and then explode it's very terrifying it's only helped by him telling you he loves you he's He's more terrifying than ever. It's scary because he's such a nice guy outside. Dude, he is the nicest guy. He's very friendly. Remember the champ, though, was like, oh, yeah, that's what you do. Whitaker, you know, Whitaker's a monster, man. You've got to go back to that Tim Kennedy fight, though, man.

Talking about Stoolgate? Yeah, that Tim Kennedy fight was crazy. It was like, look, I know what you're doing is very slick. This is very smart. I mean, this is Angelo Dundee did that to Muhammad Ali when he fought Henry Cooper in London. He got cracked with a left hook. Henry Cooper dropped him. He was in real trouble.

They cut the glove, baby. Suspect. Cut that glove, baby. We got to get the other pair. Oh, it's out there in the dressing room. Be right back. It's all fair and lovely. More of them, man. Yeah. It get the other pair. Oh, it's out there in the dressing room. Be right back. It's all fair and lovely. There you go, my man.

Yeah, it ain't the right way to do it. But you got to realize that this guy had gone through the whole amateur wrestling system as a representative of Cuba. Matt Brown and I did a podcast last week. And Matt Brown spent. Love Matt. He's a great guy. And fascinating dude, man.

Intense, smart motherfucker. Matt died. people get a chance to he did he died and they brought him back yeah yeah you know we talked about that I was like you and Court McGee both have this right creepy thing to you because you both crossed over to the other side you don't give a fuck how was it whoo both guys man you got to beat them they don't beat each other literally have to take they don't beat themselves rather yeah I mean Matt Brown a beating himself.

He's a human. What's he doing now? He is going to fight Carlos Condit. Oh, that's right. He's coming back for one. He ended on that dope-ass knockout of Diego with the elbow. Maybe behind the air, but all's fair. A little bit. And then, I thought he was going to ride off to the sunset

and now he's fighting Carlos Condit. So he was explaining about his camp that he did in Cuba. It's an amazing story. Amazing. He spent like six weeks in Cuba. Matt Brown? Yes. His white ass was in Cuba?

His white ass was in Cuba with the wrestling team for six fucking weeks for one of the camps for one of his fights. He boxed in Cuba against Cuban boxers, and he wrestled in Cuba. That's a tough go. And he lived in a Cuban fighter's house. They had him there, and they fed him. How long ago? Which fight was it that he said? Try to remember which fight.

If you pull up his record, it was fairly recently. It's fairly recently. I don't want to be doing that. Dude, he's a bad motherfucker, dude. A bad motherfucker. He's just trying to get better, man. He's just trying to get better. And that's what he figured was the move.

He has one more left, though, yeah? Let's be real here. At least if he wants to do it the master's tour i love he knows i love him he's on the master's tour um i think he said it was for the tim means fight i'm pretty sure he said it was the tim means fight well then after that let's get back to cuba so rude i'm just saying but look man he fought Damian and Maya okay

who is the constrictor of all constrictors nightmare if Damian and Maya can get you to the ground I don't think most people don't understand what that kind of jiu jitsu

feels like you know I've rolled with a few guys that were my size that just went through me like I realized like oh okay like Jake Shields is what I talk about

him all the time wrestling with him is like wrestling with a chimp. Carol Parisian same thing it's like holding on to a chimp like good luck bitch you might look like me. It's a nightmare. You know it's like you see a guy like maybe does crossfit you're like oh that guy looks fucking strong no there's a different there's like a Ben Askren strong where it doesn't even look

strong just looks like a fit athletic guy, and they grab you, and you're like, what in the fuck is going on here? Why can't I move? And they twist you up. It's a different kind of strong. They move different. It's a different kind of strong.

Correct. Damian Maia's got that strong to strong guys. True. He does that shit to guys like Carlos Condit. Correct. I mean, he's the motherfucker of motherfuckers when it comes to strangling people. It's a terrible fight for Matt Brown. It's a terrible fight for him.

And what he did in Neil Magny He just kept closing closing closing. It was like watching a goddamn snake It was like watching a snake take out a deer It was terrifying slowly get to that back just tighter and tighter and every time he corrected it got tighter and tighter You see Neil Magny just drowned like fuck. He looked like that zebra in the alligators mouth Just like yeah, you know, I tell you what was equally impressive, man, is Rafael dos Anjos and Neil Magny. I was like, holy fuck did I read that wrong. Me too.

I thought Neil Magny was going to give him a real good fight. Because of his cardio reach? Cardio, reach, footwork, movement, discipline, sticks to the game plan. Neil Magny's a difficult guy to fight. Now, Carlos Kahn did fight. Unless you get him down, his jiu-jitsu is Achilles' heel. Well, he, I mean, Damian Maia obviously got him, but the way Dos Anjos got him was like, holy fuck, at 170, Dos Anjos is more aggressive and stronger, it seems to me.

Doesn't it seem he's stronger? He's way better. He looks healthy. He moves. He has more power. He's putting his. And stronger, it seems to me. He's a motherfucker. Doesn't it seem he's stronger? He's way better. Way better at 70. He looks healthy. He moves. He has more power. He's putting his combinations better together. And he's just on the lighter side of being one of those big guys, so it seems like he's

got more speed. He reminds me kind of like Robert Whitaker. Yes. To me, the people go, oh, he's a little small. He's almost perfect. Perfect. He's not huge. He's not muscle bound.

He can do everything really well. Whitaker stuffed Yoel Romero's takedowns with a blown-out knee. He got his knee blown out in the first round, and he still stuffed takedowns. Whitaker is a fucking savage. I'm all up on that Australian train right now. I think it's another thing where the guy was cutting weight, making 170, just struggling. Man, just struggling. I really wish the way that Ben Askren described how one FC is doing it,

where they're doing this hydration test. Yes. They're doing a hydration test when you weigh in. They're doing a hydration test like leading up to the fight, and everybody bumped up a weight class. And he's now, he's like at 185 because that's really what he weighs. And not to change subjects, but I listen to that Ben Askren. I've always've always been a huge fan of ben asking i think it's such a shame he never fought in the ufc i think he beats anyone in the world in the ufc i really do well we would like to see

at the very least i mean maybe if i had to bet on and i'm a betting man i'd put some a lot of dollars on ben asking that being said he's very articulate that man needs to do his own podcast he needs to do something as far as entertainment. Well, he does a wrestling podcast. Yeah, he has a wrestling podcast. I'm just saying there's more he could do. Yeah, I agree with you. I thought he was brilliant on that.

No, he's a brilliant guy, and he's just smart and unique as a person. And you can either appreciate that or not. That's marketable, man. Well, it is marketable in my opinion, but it might not be. I'm just coming at it from a point of view as a fan. I mean, I'm a fan. Which is what we want to hear. Listen, for me,

it's a no-brainer. You want to see the best versus the best, and he has been able to do weird shit to people. Has he been hit, what, three years? Dude, he said his last two fights he didn't get hit once. He goes, I haven't been punched in the face in three years, Joe. When I hear that, I'm like, dude, that's so marketable. Dude.

It's like the Floyd Mayweather thing. And he's a fucking super articulate, super smart. Speaks well. Yeah. Smart dude. Good looking. Great guy. Great guy.

Yeah. Good dude. He's a character. He's a coach, for God's sake, for wrestling. Kids. I'm not a promoter. I'm not a promoter. I have no say and

i don't want it i don't want it i'm can't you just give me this like yo let me let me holler at you dog he's just listen i know you're stressed he's got it let me talk to you look he knows how to promote he's a promoter i don't know jack about promotion i could be wrong i might just be such a purist that i want the best to fight the best so much i don't give a you know the sport you know the sport. Don't sell yourself short. I guarantee you we could sell Ben Askren. If you and I put on a promotion,

I guarantee you I could sell Ben Askren. Oh, I guarantee I could get into people's heads why this is important. It's important if the art form is important. If it's just important to put on a good show, then you could always have guys just stand in the middle of the Octagon and throw lead at each other and let's see what happens. There's no longevity in that.

There's no longevity in that, but it's very entertaining. And there have been moments like when Francisco Rivera and John Lineker just fucking threw down each other until one guy broke. I do not recommend anybody fighting like that, but that shit is crazy to watch. It's undeniable. That's going to get the people out of their seats. That's going to get people freaking out about it.

You've got to sprinkle that kind of style in every now and then. That's fun. But as a sport, we can't do that. I think, but every now and then, when something like that happens, like with Ricardo Lamas and Max Holloway. When Max Holloway pointed down at the ground, it's like, come on, bitch. A fight he was already winning. That shows you who Max is, man. I love that guy.

That's real shit. I'm a fucking bad. I'm a fucking bad. I'm such a fan. Me too. I'm such a fan. I love him. With this new Showtime show I'm doing, I interviewed Frankie, and it's tough for me because I'm

so, I love Frankie, but I'm such like a Max Holloway fan. It's tough for me not to show the favoritism. You know what, man? I might be a- I love both of them. I might be a... I've known Frankie longer. Yeah. I know Frankie way better. I'm a giant Max Holloway fan, but I have to do this

thing that I do where I don't want anybody to win. I just want to see what the result is. See, I don't want anyone to lose. I'm not good at that. You're one of the best in the world. It's still hard, though, man. I'm not good at that. I don't want anyone to lose like i love yoel romero and i love luke but i've been i love you i love you okay jesus but i uh i know what those guys feel like when they lose and there's everything on the table i know what for luke how he changed camps and

sometimes that's just you're on a boat and there's holes and you think if you paddle further away from the original camp you're gonna fill these holes there's holes and you think if you paddle further away from the original camp, you're going to fill these holes and it doesn't work like that. Well, I think maybe he just needed a fresh look. I mean, it might have been a good move for him, but he fought Yoel Romero. I mean, the reality is, Yoel Romero is fucking horrifying. He's horrifying.

Luke can beat him. Luke can beat him. Yeah. Look, he might be able to, but he also might be able to get hit exactly like he got hit in that fight every time they fight. Dude, you don't know, man. No, he might be able to, but he also might be able to get hit exactly like he got hit in that fight every time they fight. Dude, you don't know, man. I'm saying I don't know.

I've seen a better version of Luke. To me, as far as skill-wise, besides Whitaker right now, he's on another level. But I look at the roster, and to me, Luke is the most complete middleweight in the world. I can even see him being the light heavyweight champion. Gustafson might give him some problems. Besides Gustafson, there's going to be some issues for those guys. Who knows? Maybe him going, I mean, he's been talking about an inevitable climb to 205.

He might be just like Whitaker and just like, who else were we talking about? Rafael dos Anjos. Yeah. He might be a better fighter at 205. He might be so fucking lean, man. The problem there is what made Luke so great was that swagger. Like, the people were like, oh, he's so cocky. I get that.

I actually want my fighter like that. I liked how he was so arrogant and cocky. Sometimes people don't gravitate towards it, but for a guy like Luke, he just thrived off that. And now when I see him, in the Branch fight, I didn't see it as much. I thought that fight was a little suspect. Not taking anything away from Branch, but that should have been easier for Luke. Then I see the Yoel Romero fight, and that killer instinct wasn't there. I know you have five rounds, but he would let Yoel explode and reset.

When you reset, you've got to go, man. You've got to go. Branch might not have the best results inside the octagon, but when it comes to technical skill, he's a super high-level fighter. His skill level and his capabilities, I don't't think have matched up to all of his performances and you saw that when he's attacking luke he's fucking good man he put him in real trouble i'm not saying he's not good oh he's very i'm not saying that his ground game is very good but it makes luke's win even more impressive for sure with branch has never in world series of fighting he kind of you know became light heavyweight champion, middleweight champion

He's a monster In the UFC, he hasn't found his groove yet And he never has A lot of it's level of competition His first fight in the UFC was boring And then you get Luke Rockhold Which is no walk in the park So I do think Dave Branch is a monster

This is his second round in the UFC Remember he fought Gerald Harris And he got KO'd with that crazy slam from the guard? He didn't have a good career before. Yeah, man. That was crazy. Gerald Harris is a powerful man. Monster. I'm just saying with Luke, it was this swagger when he thought he was the best in the world.

He was in strike forces when he got to the UFC when he was champion. And then in the Bisbing fight, he gets clipped with that left hook and he has problems with the left side for him. So, you know, Bisping lands that, knocks him out. That short-notice fight, he thought he was going to walk through him. Then he takes that long layoff, and he's trying to be a male model and, you know, arguing with the UFC. It's just somewhere along the lines that he lost a little bit of swagger.

When he gets that back, we're in good form. Well, I'm curious to see what his journey with Henry Hooft, where that comes up. Because they've been, how long have they been together now? Like a year? Maybe a year, yeah. He moved out there. Henry's an interesting coach, man. He's a fucking powerful guy.

He's a very powerful guy. You know what he doesn't have is DC and Cain Velasquez and Khabib and Josh Thompson and these monsters. You're surrounded by just these monsters. Who's he training with? And has he addressed that left side where he keeps getting hit, you know, which what put him out? He was left. Two lefts.

Two lefts. That uppercut was like a free-for-all. Like Mark Gardner, get a little closer. You got to get a little closer. That would have been hard to get in the way of, though. You don't have Yol Romero just fucking. Think about it. It's hitting as hard you don't have Yol Romero just fucking. Think about it. It's hitting as hard as you can.

Yol Romero smash. Literally, he's punching a human as hard as he can. I didn't think it was a bad stoppage because he had his head up when he went down. And you've got to give one guy a chance to hit him. Now, looking at it after the fact, you go, man, I wish he didn't get hit with that uppercut. The fight was already over. But in the moment. In real time, I agree. What if it doesn't happen? What if he doesn't hit him? With Mark Goddard, I wish you didn't get hit with that uppercut. The fight was already over but in the moment in real time What if it doesn't happen?

Mark Goddard I hear you unless you ran up for 240 and I get no I think it's a perfect stoppage I mean, I think the first one you don't really stop it yet. You got to see what's going on It's gonna be okay fucker. Let's you don't know I know you never know I hear you right that one You can't know you kind of but after the fact, we're saying that. I also have the angle of video. Let's talk about Frankie Edgar. That fucking guy's a zombie. He comes back from the dead.

He gets cracked by Gray Maynard in two fights to the point where it looks like it's over. I'm glad you brought this up. It's over. He's been rocked, and he comes back in the most incredible way. When I sit down with him, we're talking about that, and we're talking about concussions and CT because he has kids and stuff. And I said, like that Gray Maynard fight, you know, you were concussed, and he came

back, he goes, what's crazy, I don't want to ruin the interview, he goes, what's crazy about that, Brendan, is I wasn't concussed, no signs at all. I went, I'm gonna stop you, I'm gonna stop you. Who told you? He goes, didn't even throw up on it. So that's your sign for not concussed? You didn't throw up

I said that is such bro sign Frankie. Look at me when I tell you this you had brain trauma that fight man Fucking telling you bro. There's no way he didn't it's impossible I mean maybe he'll recover 100% but the fucking heart that it took to come back from that and Draw one fight and then kale him in the second legend brother fucking crazy What's crazy if you look at Frankie's record, you know, when they toss him to Yaya Rodriguez, you know, these young cats, he eats them up like Kobayashi. Now, Brian Burr's cup Swanson fight? Holy shit.

He does this to these young kids, man. Brian Ortega's a totally different animal, though. Totally different animal if he gets a hole in your neck. You cannot fuck around with that dude on the ground. We're talking real high- level jiu-jitsu kept saunson basically twice i don't say by the bell and then got his neck again i don't think people who are watching him are yet 100 aware of what he's capable of he's a fucking killer on the ground dude he cinches shit up at one of the highest levels i've ever seen in that you should

see him in training in practice forever and he he's a guy where you know the one of the reasons why he got so good remember he teaches at the grace academy and torrence right non-stop right that's a big constantly teaching helping everyone he's a great kid man yeah monster dude his triangle is one of the best i've ever seen it's so quick he he's so nasty nasty I know he said back some million setups and the fucking dexterity of his legs man And when he sent you shit up It's a super high level and I've talked about it for a long time with guys with that high level jiu-jitsu You know a lot of them want to wrestle non-stop and they try yeah, but the rest of them hasn't caught up to their jiu-jitsu With him he's not afraid to jump to guard. He's not afraid to do flying triangles. He's not afraid to jump to half guard he doesn't give a fuck that's how that's how he's raised into

this where henner gracie and here on gracie just hey man don't be scared off your back you're beating dudes yeah it's a really interesting combination of boxing because now he's become a very good boxer so his hands which are he's very comfortable boxing and then guys are trying to take him down right and that was the fight before this last one, right? The dude tried to take him down and got guillotined. Yep. And he was pulling things out. It went late, and then he'd pull off these late submissions

because the guys were tired, but you give him an inch, he takes a mile with your neck. When he got a hold of Cub's neck, you could see. It's scary shit. It's just a whole other level of squeeze and technique and sharpness, and everything's in the the perfect place and everything has perfect leverage. And when he grabs a hold of something, he cinches it up real quick. And he believes in it wholeheartedly.

100%. If he gets it, he goes, oh, this is over. Yeah, he's done it to everybody. He's done it to so many people in training. He does it to every high, high, I won't say names, high, high level dudes in training where you're like, holy fuck. Super legit. That is a fucking dangerous fight for Frankie to accept on short notice how gangster is Frankie

go I'll take that killer gets legend as it gets yeah but now in fight Brian or take has a different fight on his hands too because he's gonna be tough take Frankie down but what Brian does have he has a size advantage mm-hmm doesn't have speed advantage I have the wrestling advantage I think Frankie puts everything together better as far as killer instinct that's his X factor I read the other day that Frankie's never been finished I went wow

that's incredible he's never been submitted he also has that he trains with every day and he's with Marlon Marais too they have Marlon Marais they got, right? They have Marlon Marais. They got Frankie.

They got Eddie Alvarez, who's a monster. And they're training every single day. Oh, and Barbosa. That's their camp. Oh, and their leader, having to be the best mind in the game, Mark Henry. Dude, that's a hell of a camp right there. That's a hell of a camp. It's ridiculous.

And, you know, for Eddie Alvarez and Frankie and Barbosa, Henry. Dude, that's a hell of a camp right there. That's a hell of a camp. It's ridiculous. And for Eddie Alvarez and Frankie and Barboza, it's just like this perfect storm of killers. And you have this brilliant mind, the Einstein of mixed martial arts and Mark Henry, who's just this fucking savage man. It's brilliant what they're doing up there. Yeah, it's one of the hot camps, right? I asked Frankie, said were you were you surprised what happened with you know barboza and khabib he goes he goes dude barboza's a

motherfucker to take down like eddie and i have struggled man i said i think how good khabib is scary scary scary that khabib tony fight son i. It's my number one fight I want to see this year. There's just people that I think have evolved from generation after generation after generation of grappler. There seems to be something happening with those Russian folks and those Dagestan folks, and especially him with his dad being this fucking amazing trainer. He's just tougher than us, Joe. Tougher. We're not the same. Something happens when he grabs ahold of guys that you just don't see.

Barbosa's face was like, what the fuck? He's just getting run over by a freight train, just a guy with unstoppable pressure, constant punches to the face. You're never getting up. You feel it. You know you're never getting up. And if you do get up, it's going to cost you so much energy to get up. You're never getting up. You feel it. You know you're never getting up. And if you do get up, it's going to cost you so much energy to get up. You're going to be exhausted.

And then you know this guy can take you down again. If he takes you down again, you're three quarters helpless. Three quarters helpless. Next round, you're going to be half helpless. Next round after that, you're basically helpless. You're just tough. You're just surviving on your toughness. And you know he's going to take you down again and beat your face in again.

It's like ISIS torching, man. I'd rather just get murked real fast by Francis than fighting Khabib. It's a savage, slow death. It's a savage, slow fight. But here's the thing. He's never fought anybody like Tony. Tony is so different. He's so different.

Completely different animal. He's so different. He's so dangerous on his feet. He's hard to take down. He scrambles like crazy He's he's well aware of what it takes to protect himself on the ground. He takes a tremendous shot He's got crazy Darcy's he pulls Darcy's up on people that are that are like, you know He did the barboza. Remember that fucking crazy ass fight and he slaps that Darcy on him that Darcy's tight son

He's Darcy's world-class. Here's the x-f Tony and Khabib is, to me, Tony's getting taken down. I can sure, I swear I'd bet my life saving that he gets taken down. That's not the fight. The fight starts once it hits the ground. Because Tony Ferguson off his back is a monster. A monster. From elbows to his triangle. He's training with Kevin Lee.

Now, Kevin Lee's a different grappler than Khabib. But still, his setups. But his elbows. If you rest, he's going to whoop your ass from his back. So to me, that fight happens on the ground. You've got to be careful of who's judging that fight because Tony can win even if he's whooping his ass from his back. You know what I'm saying? Yes, it is entirely possible that Tony could be hitting him and trying to attack with submissions.

And you don't like doing MMA math, but they both fought Barboza, and Tony was able to finish him. Tony has a better resume, for sure. Well, he finishes guys. I mean, he catches guys that are really high level with jiu-jitsu techniques, especially that darts. Super dangerous. Khabib, you know exactly what he's gonna do He's you know, his striking isn't world-class, but his grappling is pressure. Everything else is world-class We also haven't seen him five rounds five rounds with Tony is a tough task man

It's Tony gets better, but he thrives in that kind of dog situation where he's just going going going Yeah, so to me, you know for Khabib, if he goes that fourth, fifth round. Who knows? Well, we don't know. That's why this fight's so good to me. That's why it's my number one fight this year. I swear to God, if either one of them gets hurt, I'm going to cry. Oh, you get me so excited.

Yeah, it seems. And then think about, let me just fucking get your dick out, Stipe DC. That's a great fight, too. That's a super fight. Yeah. That's a fucking super fight. We talk about all these super fights. That's a great fight too. That's a super fight. That's a fucking super fight. We talk about all these super fights. That's a legit super fight.

That is a super fight. It's such a close fight. And DC's undefeated at heavyweight. Was a former world champion from Strike Force. It's also when you see DC, Rester, Volkan you go, oh there are levels to this shit, kid.

Oh Volkan, you got, oh, there are levels to this shit, kid. Correct. Oh, Volcon, you got time, son. You got time. You got time now. You got time to work on your wrestling. I'm just kidding. I love you, Volcon. But the thing is, it's funny, but he actually looked really good. I've been in that clinch with DC

and that is no picnic. He threw me around like a rag doll. He did real good until he didn't do good anymore. And then DC did exactly what he said he was going to do. By the end of the round he had his neck and he just was saved by the bell. And then when he went to the second round you could tell what was going on. How great is DC? DC's amazing. He's amazing.

That just shows you how fucking great Jon Jones is. That's the whole top of the pyramid. If you're Jon Jones the top of the spear and you go, what? Okay. Jesus, how good is this guy? Yeah, and John trained for one week and was high off his ass. Yeah. That's how good he is. He's a fucking wizard.

He's on another level. Best of all time PDs. Phenomenal. However, if you're John, you're sitting at home in your underwear thinking about the bad decisions you've made and you hope, hopefully, that you're going to get back in the UFC. DC is taking your career path because John always wanted to go to heavyweight, wanted to fight Stipe, wanted to do all this shit.

DC goes, oh, cool, hold my beer, and then just does his thing. Dude, can you imagine how big DC would be if John comes back and DC beats him? Do you know how big he would be? Do you know how crazy that would be? Do you know how crazy that would be? That'd be crazy. How about they fight at heavyweight? Well, they're going to fight at heavyweight. You think so?

Yeah, DC gets that belt. Kyle, there's a 95% chance that John Jones fights in the UFC in 2018. So you're saying there's a chance. You're telling me there's a chance. That's his agent, though. You know what I'm saying? That's his agent. Is his agent Jim Carrey?

Yeah, so you're telling me there's a chance. You can't really agent, though. You know what I'm saying? That's his agent. Is his agent Jim Carrey? Yeah, right. So you're telling me there's a chance. You can't really listen to agents. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, that guy, first of all. My agent thinks I'm going to be the next Rock. He's full of shit. You know, if you talk to him, I'm the greatest thing walking this earth.

It is entirely possible that he accidentally took that. And people are saying that I'm being paid to say this. And I'm going to tell you right now. UFC has never paid me to say anything other than the truth. The reality about it is they don't know what he took. They don't know what happened. They don't know how he got it. And the theory that I talked about

is just a rumor that was going around that someone was trying to explain one way it could have happened, and it's through tainted creatine. That was backed up by Nowitzki, the golden snitch who is the actual employee of the UFC. But also, when you say you're not paid, the UFC does

not pay you to say anything on this podcast. No. You're a commentator. Yes. They're not telling you things to say. But here's the thing, to their credit, they've never tried. They've never, ever, ever tried. Well, they know better. But if they ever talk to me about something, it's something we all agree with. Like, you know, maybe Dana and I and i have conversations about like this is a big fight are you pumped for this i'm like fuck dude i can't even wait yeah are you kidding me you can't put in

a word for you don't yeah and he might have dude i've talked to him about it in the past do you once you start insulting him and fucking with him he's like i'm busy he's forgiving no oh you gotta talk to him he doesn't hate me anymore. No, he doesn't. I hope he doesn't. He probably does. I think if Ben and him sat down and I could be there, maybe I could help. You'd be the middleman. I would do that.

I'd 100% be willing to do that. You helped me out when I was going through the Reebok thing. Yeah. Yeah. I think Ben is underutilized and not understood and underappreciated. That's what I think. It's a real shame, too, because the father's time, you know, you can't wait that long.

Did you see what he did to Korshkov? You see what he did to Lima? These are top-flight, super-powerful guys. He ragdolls them. And Khabib wants to get this fight at 55 and go to 70. What's up, son? And, you know, he had that interesting conversation about when he fought Jay Heron, which is his toughest fight in Bellator.

A long time ago, yeah. Split decision. But he said he wasn't wrestling. He said he fucked up. Oh, he was just doing striking, right? He said he was trying to just work on his striking, and his wrestling was off. And I was like, that's incredible that someone as good as him still needs to be constantly doing it to stay sharp. He forgot what got you to the dance.

I'm like, that's amazing. And so ever since then, he's concentrated on his wrestling and he's just taking everybody down. Like when he concentrates on his wrestling and he's constantly doing it. That's the way to do it. And even Curtis Blades, I text you, I'm like, dude, this Australia card's ridiculous. Yeah, I was fucking hate on it. Getting it over with.

But that card was amazing. But Curtis Blades goes, listen, man, you guys want to boo me? Hey, tell you, I don't enjoy getting punched in the face. I'm not trying to get punched in the face. I'm just trying to get... By anyone. He goes, I'm just trying to get paid. How good is Curtis Blade's chin? It's the beard. Dude, he took some shots. Mark Hunt

put it on him, man. Blasted him. He was almost out of it. Yeah, and he gets the double. Like, fuck yeah, that's what you're supposed to do. This is fighting. That's exactly what you're supposed to do. And I'm biased as fuck because Curtis from my old camp, and I see those guys, I talk to them, they tell me how much of a monster he is, and I love Mark Hunt.

I didn't want anyone to lose that fight. When I see Mark Hunt getting taken down, Mark Hunt to me is like the white rhino, the last white rhino. You know what I'm saying? He's the last remaining white rhino. We've got to protect this guy, man. Don't give him the fucking just wrestler.

He's a legend. Don't give him the fucking wrestler. He's a legend. Don't give him that guy. Give him Francis. Let's see how that plays out. Give him, you know, not JDS, but you know what I'm saying. Yeah. How dare you give him a fucking Juco National Champion and send it to Australia? How dare you?

He almost won by knockout, though, and Mark's hard to take down. I think it was a good test. I think it was an important test. Look, they tried to do the same thing with Derrick Lewis. They gave Derrick Lewis a test at Mark Hunt. Mark Hunt shut him down and stopped him. Derrick Lewis is one of the best fucking heavyweights in the division. Whoa, whoa, whoa.

One of the best heavyweights, not one of the best wrestlers. Right. But he still is one of the best guys. He's a knockout artist and a promising up-and-coming guy. They give him to Mark Hunt. He cannot get past Mark Hunt. True, but Mark Hunt. But this could happen with Curtis Blades, too.

If it happened in Australia, with all his fans there from New Zealand, dude, that's a big fight for him. It's a smart fight. Smart fight for who? For both guys. If Mark Hunt won, if he connected with a couple shots more, or if Curtis wasn't as tough and as good as he is,

he could have knocked out anybody at that time for for curtis it's a smart fight right for mark it's a smart fight not really he's already a legend yeah but he's but if he wins the way he almost won by not being in australia it jumps you up even further not really he's ranked fifth you know what i'm saying but the excitement of the perth crowd you're as good as your last fight if If he had two KOs in a row like that, that's big. Yeah, I agree. To me, stylistically, it's a bad matchup.

I understand what you're saying, but he's 40 and he's legitimately one or two big wins away from another title shot. Think about what you have, right? You have DC versus Stipe. Whoever fights that, who are they going to fight next? Mark Hunt knocks out, hold on a second, he knocks out him,

and then he knocks out someone next. Like, who could they going to fight next? Mark Hunt knocks out, hold on a second, he knocks out him, and then he knocks out someone next. Like, who could it be? Okay. You could try Overeem again, but the problem with Overeem fighting for the title again is he just lost to Stipe by knockout, and then he just lost to Francis by knockout. And he got 13 there as well. Yeah. He's number one, actually. Yeah, you've got

some fucking real interesting fights, but all it would take was Mark Hunt to beat one of those top guys, and he's in consideration again. There's a small pool there. At heavyweight, super small. So small. That's why Overeem keeps getting shuffled back to the top as tough as he is, and it's not taking anything away from him. There's not a lot of new blood being fed into the top tiers of the group.

There's no new blood, really. Well, it's hard. It's a fucking hard division to find talented guys. I think it's the most difficult division. I think heavyweight's better off than light heavyweight. Like, at light heavyweight, it's like, Jesus Christ. That's a shark tank. Light heavyweight's got a lot of crazy shit going on right now, right?

Like, what happens if DC loses, or leaves, rather? DC's going to win the heavyweight belt and bounce. So if he goes to heavyweight and stays in heavyweight. Wins, bounces. And think of that, man. This is crazy, right? Imagine King going to 205 that's not happening. He's too old. He's gonna fight at heavyweight Seen that I'm see that show that dude eats he gets down with that man gets down. I don't blame him man. He's earned it

However, can you know fight? He's not gonna fight for the title right away He's gonna fight once this year and then hopefully a title fight. But I think what they're planning on is DC beats Stipe, vacates the belt, and then Kane will fight for the interim belt towards the end of the year or begin early next year. Damn, Stipe does not want to hear that kind of talk. People just love to overlook Stipe Miocic. It's fucking crazy.

Look at the heavyweight division though It's fucking Land of the Dinosaurs And then light heavyweight Well Francis is terrifying for everyone on the planet Other than Stipe Miocic No, no, no So Francis would lose I'm back off the train

You're off the Francis train? God damn I'm off that train I didn't know he can't wrestle at all I didn't know he was like, how do you spell wrestling? Listen, so Curtis Blades smokes him. Cain Velasquez smokes him. Smokes who, Francis? Yes, all day.

Really? So you think Curtis Blades, when they fought the first time, just wasn't ready for him? He didn't. But remember, that got stopped via doctor stoppage in the second round. I think he goes, hold up. You have zero wrestling? You just hit mitts and lift weights and talk to employees at the UFC Institute? What the fuck?

Yeah, I'm going to wrestle your ass. I want to point out that I do not agree with that assessment. I'm sure he trained his wrestling. I'm sure he was in the best shape he could be. That's not what he told me. I think he burned out in the first round. I mean, I've watched it. He definitely needs some more wrestling.

There's no technique as wrestling there. From the very get-go, his sheer strength got him through some of those takedowns But you look at his hand placements hips. It's not there now. It can come It's a it's a tough business to be in and try and pick that those skills up and you look at the that list You know Derek Lewis he can even double like your ass Mark on obviously good matchup Curtis blades nightmare came last year's nightmare Fabrice over, fucking nightmare. Al Stroverin can wrestle if he wants to. Stipe, obviously nightmare.

We saw what he did to him. The thing is, he's so fucking powerful that every one of them could get nighty-nighted with one shot. The sport's evolved, my brother. The sport has definitely evolved. To be world champion. To be world champion. But you're looking at it through the eyes of someone who fought Stipe Miocic, right? He fought Stipe Miocic.

Stipe figured him out. Stipe beat him, right? But Stipe is a very, very unusual character. And there's some shots that he got hit with in that fight that a lot of dudes would not have been able to take. Agree with that. However, if Fabrizio gets you on the ground, and I promise you if he got you down that often, he would have choked Francis Unconscious. That's a different animal. On the ground, that's a different animal.

So is Kane, though. Kane will beat you up on the ground, for sure. Stipe on the ground, he's not a big finisher. He's going to fuck you up, and he's going to wear you out. He's not a huge finisher. He doesn't look for submissions. I'm sorry, Verdun will fucking get a hold of your neck. He'll look for submissions.

He'll break everything. And then think about Kane. His ground pound's ferocious. Ferocious. Super accurate. And the reps he puts in. Bang, bang, bang, bang. He breaks you.

Where Stipe is very controlled. He's going to take you down. He's going to give a fuck. He's going to wear you out. Yeah, Kane has a crazy output. His output is disturbing. Nuts. You watch the sheer volume and the pace of the takedowns and

chaining takedowns together and beating you up on the way down you're like wow um javier mendez said this once we were we're in the back and it was him and crazy bob cook and i was like dude i go i think he was just he was i forget who it was that he fought uh but i said i think he was just expecting to ride the storm out, you know, like, because he just couldn't keep up with Kane. And Javier goes, this storm doesn't ever go away. He goes, that storm is there forever. Like, you don't understand.

There's no riding this storm out. Yeah, you better fucking just gear down and try to match it. He's like, I mean, they even talk openly about it. Like, he's a freak. Like, he'll take three weeks off, come back, and just run through everybody. There's something going on there. There's something going on. Unless he fights in Mexico.

Yeah, there's something going on. Wow, that was a fucking mess, man. Nobody could do that. Nobody, even Cardio Kane, can't go to 7,000 feet without being there for a while. It's a nightmare. It's just too much. Now, think about that relentless side. I don't mean to interrupt you.

Think about the relentless approach in DC's fights, very similar, against Stipe. And to me, that's where I see when it first came out, oh my God, it's a super fight. Let me think about this. What are my initial thoughts? I always go, what's my initial thoughts about what most people are going to think? Well, Stipe has knockout power. His wrestling's good. He puts everything together well.

But the cardio of DC's Can be an issue If DC can get past That third round That's a big You know what I'm saying That's tremendous cardio But so does Stipe And here's the other thing

Does he Think about Stipe What we was able to do With Francis Right He caught Francis Who was the most dangerous guy In the division

Standing up The most dangerous guy In terms of making mistakes Hands down Hands down He caught him With some strong shots He tagged him several times and now think the difference in size between stipe and dc you've got a guy who he's he's fighting he doesn't hit as hard dc's definitely formidable on the feet

and he showed that in the the vulcan fight he cracked vulcan his his stand-up is very good but he's not absolutely terrifying with his punches. He's not a technician. Right. Well, he is a technician. I think he's a technician. He gets away with something where he'll leave his hips and he'll pull back, which at heavyweight you're going to be in a little trouble. Now, saying that, he is undefeated as a heavyweight. Well, I was very impressed with his hands in the Volkan fight.

Me too. He was the one that was landing shots. Me too. He played that game. Yeah, and Volkan is fucking dangerous. His stand-up is very, very dangerous. So I was, I'm impressed with him. I think he is a technician. But

he's like 5'11", Stipe's 6'4", Stipe's long, and he's very good at knocking out heavyweights. I'm thinking of the way Stipe knocked out Verdum, the way Stipe was able to crack Francis. Overeem. Overeem.

He knocked out Overeem. Dude, he's a beast. Junior Dos Santos, what he did to him. Think about what he did to Mark Hunt. Yes. Orlovsky, what he did to Orlovsky. Dude, he's a beast. This guy's heavyweight of all time in the UFC.

Right now, you have to say he is because he won the title three. He's the only guy to defend it three times. Yeah. He's a fucking animal. So you've got a tall order for DC. It's interesting because of his wrestling and his ability to figure out how to win and how good he looked in the Volkan fight. But Volkan and Stipe are not the same.

Stipe is the heavyweight fucking champion of the world. I know. For whatever reason, people seem to want to look past him. I don't understand it. I do it too. Stipe's a buddy of mine. Stipe's a buddy of mine. Do you look past him now?

It's very strange. I was literally, you and I did the Wilbur together. One of the fan questions, how Stipe beat fucking Francis. I went, come out in a singlet and do not strike at all. I'm scared for him, man. But you look at it, Stipe just pulls it off, man. I don't know what it is. He's a winner.

That's what it is. He's a straight winner. He's a winner. He knows how to win. But you know who's a winner and is an Olympian, and to me, besides Jon Jones, is the greatest of all time? Daniel Cormier. Yes.

He has some other gear in him, but also at heavyweight, he's going to come in around 230. Right. And then his leverage, and he's cock strong. Dude. That motherfucker in the clinch. So there's Division I wrestling, steep A, Cleveland State. Then there's Oklahoma State wrestling, Olympic wrestling.

You're talking about WNBA to NBA All-Stars. There's a complete difference there. Yeah. That's Ben Askren, for God's sake. You can see it. Remember when he fought Dan Henderson? You're like, holy shit. Remember when he picked up Josh Barnett?

That slammed him. What he did to Dan Henderson, that was insulting, you see. That's a goddamn legend. Dan Henderson's also an Olympian. Yeah, I know. And he picked him and spiked him on his head like he was a four-year-old. He threw him around like you never saw anybody do to Anderson before. Show a little fucking respect.

And then he showed respect to Anderson Silva. Well, that was a fight Anderson took on short notice, remember? Otherwise, he probably would have got paid. Still, how are you going to spike Dan Henderson, the goddamn American beauty? Choked him out, too. I know. How dare you? Dude, it was... Look at this. This is him versus Josh. Oh, that's Josh Barnett. That's Josh Barnett. It's all three. But look how fucking slamming people. Josh did have a broken hand

that fight, though. This is Dan Henderson. This is... That's insulting. That's rude. He's just so strong. Look how strong he is. That's Gusvin, who's 6'6". Look how fucking strong DC is. It's nuts, man. It's not so strong. Look how strong he is. That's Gusvin, who's 6'6". Look how fucking strong DC is. It's nuts, man. It's not just technique.

The technique's amazing. You've got to be so strong to be able to do that to Josh Barnett. That is crazy. He flips him through the air, and he's literally throwing him around like I would throw a 10-year-old. I'm such a DC fan, man. Literally. That's how I throw the tires in the gym, and that's difficult. It's hard.

That's difficult. He's hard. That's difficult. He's such a beast. A little on a human body. I'm such a fan. And you know what? I like that fight, man. What's crazy is DC's slowly becoming the face of the UFC. He's becoming this world-like star.

He's becoming a superstar. I think people are starting to realize, first of all, he's a really good guy. Like a really, really good guy. Like a genuinely good dude. He's beautiful. There's no act. He's a beautiful person. And he's a fucking beast man he's so

tough and he throws dudes around like right there what do you get his highlight reel right now what he did dan hanssen's fucking insult in dc dude look it gets a hold of josh barnett he's like nope dude going down i don't give a fuck what you think oh you're the war master very cool check that out congratulations you're on your back it Very cool. Check that out. Congratulations. You're on your back. It's just how he does it, man. Look at this. Boom.

His wrestling is just so many notches above most of the people he fights, which makes you even more fucking impressed with Jon Jones. Oh, dude. That's what makes me even more impressed. Jon Jones took him down. When you bring Jon up to me, it's heavy. It hurts. Jon took him down. Jon took him down. When you bring Jon up to me, it's heavy. It hurts. Jon took him down. Jon took him down.

If I had one of those men in black things where I could erase people's memory, I'd erase everyone's Jon's fights. Dude, you can't erase the best. He's the best. I know, but it's like- You look at his performances, the fact that he was- Think about how goddamn good DC is. And think of Jon head kicking him and stunning him and then putting him away.

And remember, in the first fight, John took him down. Took him down. First round. And there's a picture of DC literally like, oh shit. Oh shit. He's getting double A. Yeah, well, he said after the fight, he really underestimated how strong he was. Oh my God.

John's on many levels. Many levels past what most people understand. And you think about all the distractions, all the shit that guy's been through, and he still is able to perform at that level. All the crazy shit. Almost went to jail. Fucking crashing into a pregnant lady's car. All the fucking craziness, man. Dick pills, cocaine.

All of that. I'd be willing to bet if you gave Jon Jones literally like, hey, bro, you're going to have to fight in three days. I would still put my money on john to beat anyone in the world that's how crazy this is he's something special man john's something special depressed whatever the hell he is i'll take john he's something special and you know you really see it in the fights where he's losing that's where you see how good he is how about the gustin fight where like he barely trained him just showed up and like did work hold on when i say did work you're talking about one of the greatest light heavyweight fights of all time and it was

a five round war. War. War. And John took over in the last half of the fight. It's nuts, man. And then how about the Vitor fight? He gets his arm basically bent sideways. And then submits Vitor Belfort. And then submits him. Gets out of the arm bar, which looks

fucking horrific. The arm bar, it's like you see how far it's bent, and you're just thinking about what his elbow must be doing right now, popping and cracking, and he still didn't tap. And then he went on to coach the ultimate fighter, remember? He couldn't use his arm right. One of the reasons why he wanted to coach was because he couldn't train for a while. That's nuts, man.

Dude, he wouldn't tap. He's such a monster. He wouldn't tap. He wouldn't tap. He'd get his arm. He wouldn't tap. He wouldn't tap. He'd get his arm bent sideways. I know a lot of guys do that. Don't get me wrong. But you've got to understand, a lot of guys that are as talented as John can't get through adversity.

It's one of the things that makes him special. He thrives in it. Well, yeah, when the chips are down, he's not giving up. There's no giving up. It's not happening. He almost prefers it, though. I think if you told John Hand this comeback, we're in a 12-week camp. Eat your back. Eat right every day. There's no hookers. There's not happening. He almost prefers it though. I think he told Jon Hamm this comeback, we're in a 12 week camp, ease your back, eat right every day

there's no hookers, there's no dick pills I don't think it helps him. I think he needs a little bit of chaos. I've known other absolute like ultimate winners who they need a little bit of chaos. When everything's going perfect they go, whoa, whoa, whoa, we need to throw a wrench into it Well, maybe. You might be right but I just gotta think that

just the actual chaos of fighting, if treated correctly, could fill that void while he's doing these training camps. I think he still hasn't reached his potential. I think we've maybe seen it in a couple of fights where he had a great training camp and he didn't fuck around

and he didn't party. Think he caught. Yeah. Well, whatever it is. Maybe he... We don't know. I don't know what he's doing. I don't know. I don't know if he goes Well, whatever it is. Maybe he, we don't know. I don't know what he's doing. I don't know. I don't know if he goes through cycles of partying. We know he's a wild motherfucker. Self-proclaimed. Wild motherfucker.

Self-proclaimed. But you have to be. Self-proclaimed, sir. He says he's a wild motherfucker. We know he's a wild motherfucker. We know he's a wild motherfucker. But he's also, that wildness is one of the reasons why he's so fucking good. He's an artist.

You have to have the whole thing. You've got to have the whole thing. He is an artist in a lot of ways. You've got to have the wildness. You've got to have the physical talent. And you've got to have the brain to understand pathways, to be creative, to take chances, to do things, wild risks like flying knees on Shogun or spinning elbows on Stefan Bonner. And this is all like when he's fairly new to striking, right? You also got to be able to have that bit of craziness where you can only train for two weeks

and then still go in there with a world-class athlete like a Ryan Bader or a Gus Finn and still have the confidence to go, I'll figure it out. I know he's been training 12 weeks and he's one of the best in the world. I got this. That's a different switch that 99.9% of professional athletes don't have. But imagine. Full dedication. Full, perfect diet.

Why you gotta do that shit, man? Why you gotta do that to the guy? You think he wants that? You know what I'm saying? I don't know. I gotta let him free like Shamu. Don't put him in the fucking container and have people look at him. Let him out in the ocean. Let him do his thing. Shamu never got released. He didn't know how to got to let him free like Shamu. Don't put him in the fucking container. People look at him. Let him out in the ocean.

Let him do his thing. Shamu never got released. He didn't know how to live in the wild, bro. Well, all John knows I live in the wild. Now you want to toss him into the fucking container and put him in a blazer and some khakis and no dick pills. You know what I'm saying? Like, let him live, man.

Is it a crime to take dick pills and a little coke? Come on. The problem is not that. The problem is, is he getting enough recovery so that he's training enough to reach his full potential? And what is more important? Is that more important? Or is it nurturing the wild nature that lets you do crazy shit? There's a balance.

He should be able to do both. Maybe. He's not hurting anyone doing coke or doing dick pills. But as you get older and your body gets more and more tired from war, right? I mean, think the battles that guy's been in. That's the nature of the beast, though. Right. That's everyone.

But that's going to be a problem if he's not fully dedicated as time moves forward. Even if you are fully dedicated like a Cain Velasquez, he has a cage around his spine now. You know what I'm saying? No matter what, it's going to take its toll on you. If you perform at your best, partying until three in the morning and then showing up training drunk, that's your path, man. We shouldn't put these guys in

boxes and force them to live like this and you have to do this and this is the way to do it. John goes, that's not my way, man. Oh, really? It's not? No, I'm actually undefeated. Yeah, my only loss is to Mark Hamill from whooping his ass so bad. It's true. That's my only loss. So you wanted me to do what? I gotta act

like the rest of these guys? That's not fair, man. It's bullshit. That's an interesting perspective. I like what you're saying. Not everyone fits into these boxes that they want to put them in. He's not hurting anyone, what he's doing. See, the problem is you hear about someone partying too much, and you always wonder, like, man, are they happy? I know, they're trying to feel something. What are they doing? You ask him why he's doing. See, the problem is you hear about someone partying too much, and you always wonder, like, man, are they happy?

I know, they're trying to feel something. Are they happy out there partying? What are they doing? You ask him while he's high, he's going to say, hell yeah, and he balls deep in these dime pieces because he's the best fighter in the world. Go ask Michael Irvin, who partied to some legendary parties. The Dallas Cowboys had a White House. They call it the White House. All three of them, the most famous players, chipped in

on a mansion. They call it the White House. And every week, they would throw the most epic parties of all time. You know what? Some of the best teams of all time. It's true. Why do they check these boxes off? Let them have a little fucking fun. They're not like you nine-to-fivers, you know what I'm saying?

Yeah, look, you got a real point there. The only argument against it would be if there was someone in his division that was like him but was dedicated. There's not. There's not right now. And even if they are, they ain't going to beat him. There's DC who puts up the best fight with him, but he's lost twice, second time emphatically. And he's dedicated as fuck.

Dedicated as fuck, yeah. They don't have to be the same to get in that cage, man. It's not fair. Yeah. It's interesting. I know. cage man it's not fair yeah it's interesting i know it's an interesting point of view because like is he so talented that he can get away with not training as much as everybody else or is it just that his ability to say fuck it and his ability to just not give a fuck and be wild

be a cowboy is one of his talents that's a talent that most people don't have. Along with obvious physical talents. Correct. He was born with these God-given talents, and he was born with this cowboy attitude. For him, that works. There's no mental coach. He doesn't need any of that.

That's a good point. Yeah, see, it's almost like he needs a Frazier, right? Like Ali needed a Frazier. Sugar Ray needed Tommy Hearns and Roberto Duran. They need each other. Theyuran. They need each other. They do. They need each other. To bring out the best.

I bet DC did bring out the best in him, and that's what he said, that DC brought out the best in him. But he needs someone else now. He needs someone else. Maybe it's Stipe. Yeah, because if he fights DC again, boy, you can make that fight for sure, especially if DC wins the heavyweight title. But John just KO'd him in the last fight.

And for DC, I know the fighter in DC and the winner in DC, he wants that fight again, especially at heavyweight. I get that. But as a DC fan, I don't want to see that. Some guys just have your number. It's just not in the cards. He's not John's equal. John goes to another level when he fights him. your number it's just not in the cards i i maybe and he's not john's equal john goes to another level when he fights him but maybe it's a steepay maybe it's verdum i think verdum john's a tough fight for john stipe is a beast of a fight for him i'd love to see john

versus francis yeah maybe maybe there's one of these heavyweights who out there who can control you know because john's not a knockout artist so he has to be in there for five rounds with these super heavyweights who hit like a Mack truck. You know, John does get hit, so there's these variations. Isn't one of the craziest things about John is he's not really a knockout artist? And we love him. But yet he knocked out DC.

With a head kick, yeah, that's right. And DC's impossible to fucking knock out. Yeah. He's never been knocked out. Yeah. Maybe John's sitting on his punches and kicks better now. But what's amazing

is how terrifying he is without having ever done that. Or done that, but not done it to the extent of some of the best guys in the division like Jimmy Manowar

or one of those guys. Yeah. Just vicious, vicious strikers. Like you don't have that Anthony Johnson power where you're like, oh, if this lands, it's over with John.

He's going to slice you up. Right. He's going to break your will. Oh, you're getting wrestling? He's going to wrestle you're just too black belly vitor he's gonna submit you yeah ozdemir hits harder than him a lot of guys hit harder than him for sure ryan bader probably hits harder yeah look what he did to ryan bader yeah well he's just a combination of things you know fighting spirit indomitable fighting spirit it's just that motherfucker does not give up. Crazy wrestling talent. Super strong.

Just knows how to win. And has a checkered past, but when it comes down to it, he might not have a 12-week camp, might not have eight hours of rest, probably didn't eat right, might be balls deep in a whole bag of gummy bears. So when he shows up,

he's going to fuck you up. Yeah. He's on another level. It's almost like he needs someone on his level. And there's a few of those guys out there. Is there? Yeah, outliers, man. Outliers.

In the sport? You might not see one yet. It might be coming up. It might be a guy that's on the way. He might emerge in a year and a half from now. This is what happens with these guys. I mean, we can never pretend that the talent that exists today is the only talent that we're going to see in a year from now. It's crazy.

And I think those guys, they're going to be better man everybody's going to be better they're all watching khabib they're all watching tony they're all watching barboza they're watching ben askren they're watching all these people everybody's just getting better they're just getting better but notice every guy you mentioned besides tony is a specialist who's great at one thing every guy you just mentioned there's something to be said for a specialist man there's something to be said for a specialist, man. There's something to be said for a person who's like a Gokhan Saki, who you just don't want to fucking stand up with

him. It's just too high level. I'd watch him and John. John would take him down. He's not ready for John. No, but I'll pay to watch that guy fight every year. I'll pay to watch him fight anyone in the world. He got hurt, for Christ's sake. But if Gokhan can get his wrestling skills

and continue to hone them he's a guy like brother true but he's a guy like a crow cop who's so explosive and powerful that if you just get him some takedown defense it's going to be fucking hard with the cage to take that guy down yeah you know i mean crow cop became like very short very quickly he went from being a guy who fought Vandal a Sylvan a special rules match Remember beat some standing up and then they had some deal where it can only go to the ground for like 30 seconds or something Some Japanese weird shit. Yes by the time they fight the second time he destroys him I mean destroys him just beat him senseless and then fully emerged into that wrestling world. And he also, you know, Verdum, before he was even fighting, was his jiu-jitsu coach.

Do you know that? So Verdum was hoping. So was Dean Lister. Yeah, so he brought all these guys in so he could learn the ground. You know, he's also younger than Gokhan at the time. So when I see guys like, and I'm not hating on people, like, oh, you hate on Francis. No, I don't hate on him.

What happens is when you're, he's still ranked number one in the world. When you're Francis, you're ranked number one in the world. There's no gimme fights. There's no warm-up. The UFC can't do it. So you're at this level where you don't really have time to make up for it. You can't take three years off at the age of 34 and learn how to wrestle. You don't have that time.

You just don't have that time, man. It's a bummer. It's like getting into the NFL, playing for the Patriots, and you can only go to the left with routes. And going, ah, I'll try and learn to the right. Like, what are you talking about, man? You can't go both fucking ways. It's like, no, but I'll learn. Like, get the fuck out of here.

We got someone to do it, man. You know? It's a weird reference. I'm sorry. No, I know what you're saying. It's fucking weird. Jamie might have got it. I know.

I know what you're saying. I kind of get it. That someone doesn't know how to run a certain... Yeah, I totally understand. But seeing as this guy, five years ago, couldn't do anything. Five years ago, he just gets into MMA. Five years later, he's... Speaking about Francis.

Yeah. Five years. In five years, he becomes the number one heavyweight contender, a terrifying betting favorite over the champion, who, if he wins, breaks the record of the most ever successful title defenses in UFC history. So, even

though he's won two title fights in a row against world-class competition, still underdog. That's how good. Fuck you, America. Five years in. So, just imagine if this guy has the kind of appetite for learning and continuing to grow that he showed there. Think about GSP. GSP had zero high school wrestling, zero college wrestling, started picking

up quick, was training with Russian nationals up in Montreal, did a lot of technical work, learned the basics of it. And as the kind of athlete that GSP is, he just started implementing it, started getting good at it. Francis would have to do something like that. Literally have to. Or, you know, at the heavyweight division, maybe he doesn't and he's just that guy, you know, that he knocks people out and that's what he wants. I don't know.

Oh, he wants to be the best, man. But I think that he can be. But there's going to be some guys that are going to be able to take him down. When you say some guys, and they could do it for the next 10 years, he's always going to be able to take him down. When you say some guys, and they could do it for the next 10 years, he's always going to be able to get taken down. There's a certain level where even if you hire freaking Ben Askin as your coach,

he can't teach you enough to make up for those gaps against a DC, against a Cain Velasquez. Not against DC. Even against a Blades, a Curtis Blades, who's a national champion. Curtis Blades is also a big guy. Curtis Blades is a big athlete. Very powerful athlete and really good wrestler.

So he's not the same level as Daniel Cormier, but he's a much bigger man. Those shots that he took against Hunt, holy fuck, dude. That whole card. I was going like this. I was flinching. He's ready to drop. I'm like, he's going to drop. I'm like, god damn, he didn't drop. And then he took him down. I was like flinching. He's ready to drop. I'm like, he's going to drop. I'm like, God damn, he didn't drop.

And then he took him down. I was like, wow. I text his corner man, Cody Donald, my best friend. I'm like, bro, if you tell him to throw his right hand again, I'm going to fucking bust. He should literally double jab and get into the legs. He needs to quit throwing that slow right hand because Mark Hunt's such a high-level striker. He sees it coming from a mile away. It's so amateur.

So him and Francis, if you could put those together, you have the best heavyweight of all time. You have one guy who's fucking phenomenal at striking. You have another guy who's phenomenal at wrestling. Can't wrestle, can't strike. You put them together and you got this fucking transformer ninja turtle who just fucking does work. Curtis can strike.

He just can't strike at the same level that marcon has but what he can take is a fucking tremendous which is a huge for now for as long as it lasts right and will it last against a guy like francis in the second fight i'll tell you this i'd rather be if i had to pick i love both guys i'd rather be in curtis blade shoes than francis i will say that but i have a we have a. Yeah. Because what happens if I'm a striker Francis, I can't control if you want to take me down. Right. Francis can control.

I'm sorry. Curtis can control whether the fight goes to the ground or not. He dictates where the fight goes. Francis does not. After the first round. Francis does not. After the first round. The only thing that could change.

Now, here's the thing. Is Francis putting on any weight due to strength training, or is he just that big? He used to fight at 205. Do you know that? He did? He fought at 205 before. When he was like 13? No, I don't know.

Look it up, Jamie. I'm pretty sure he used to fight at 205. How is that even possible? I have no idea. Maybe it's weird African rules. He's only been fighting for five years. I'm pretty sure he fought at 205. Am I batshit crazy here?

205 what? Yeah, 205 in African stones sure he's fighting 205. Am I batshit crazy here? 205 what? Yeah, 205 in African stones, which is really 265. Do you know what a stone is? Like English, proper English stone? It's so weird. What is it?

I think it's like, is it 13? 14. 12. 12? I think it's 12. I'm half English. I should know this.

English people are screaming, how come you don't know that, but we know who your president is. 14. 14, good call, sir. Yeah. It could never be 13. Let's not call things in stones, though.

It could never be 13. That's an unlucky number. They would never use 13. That's why I said 12. That's good. I was in a hotel the other day. It didn't have a 13th floor. Most of them don't.

Most of them don't. Also, grow up. We really believe in it. It's so stupid. It's dangerous. It's so stupid, and they're coddling to people so bad. Do you take Friday the 13th off for God's sakes? I don't take a wild time.

It's a dangerous day. It's the day of the devil. No 13th floor. People are so goofy. So weird, man. People are super goofy with shit like that. Some people get real goofy. Strange, man.

Dude, how about your boy Tyson Pedro Dude Tyson you have my seat on JRE by the way man Anytime I'm here you have my seat Come on down dude Yeah come on down Come on down Dude his show and mine

I'm a huge fucking fan He's a bad motherfucker And he's a fun guy too Bad motherfucker All of Australia just put on a show Emerging hotspot Well it's been a hotspot for a long time But Australia Like John Wayne Parr from Muay Thai.

Yeah. Obviously, Ray Cefo from New Zealand and Hunt. Mark Hunt being the leader, yeah. Yeah. And a few other guys, too. Then you got Robert Whitaker, your champion. Australian. Yeah, that whole part of the world.

Tyson Pedro, Monster. And then the heavyweight, the big heavyweight. I forget his name. He fought in Monster. Dan Hangman from New Zealand. Yeah, man. They got a lot of Monsters. Tyson Pedro, Monster, and then the heavyweight, the big heavyweight, forget his name, he fought in Monster. Dan Hangman from New Zealand. Yeah, man, they got a lot of Monsters. Goods Killers. You got Killers there. Have you done shows in Australia? Yeah, I had a good time, man. Such a

great place to do. I did Melbourne. What's up there? UFC weigh-ins for Rangano. Okay, so he started 250. Yeah, but that's the best I could find. Yeah, I'm wearing. I'm almost positive someone told me he started about possible because he that would mean he put on 50 pounds and like two years

Is that possible? Oh Skeptical face. I'm not saying anything. What are you saying? I'm saying when he was 12 Are you not? 205 you're saying what he was eight he fought at 185 are you not saying anything you're saying when he was 8 he fought at 185 I know what the fuck you're saying dude no I promise you

I'm not saying that I would never do that to that man I know what the fuck you're saying I get to run into these guys for God's sakes who said that he thought

he was like 40 years old he was lying about his age somebody said that someone did say that to us is that Derek it's probably Derek Lewis because he's so funny

no Derek didn't say that did he did he no Derek's fighting this weekend who's he fighting he's fighting that Russian cat Marcin Tibura yeah yeah he's a bad motherfucker i got a striker i want derrick to win it's a good

fight he's got a real shot francis derrick francis black on black crime what's up black panther sick fight derrick's a beast man i like watching him fight he's talking about retiring okay yeah marcine tibor, why did he want to retire? I don't know God damn, they're still pushing Sage Northcutt on us, huh? He's learning and growing God damn it He's only 18 years old

Why are you mad about Sage Northcutt? I'm not mad at his haircut I'm not mad at Sage I think he's a phenomenal athlete He's not like pretty boys No, I mean he's a pretty dude He's a twinker He's a twinker is what we call him.

So if he was Mexican, would you be cool with him fighting? No. A Mexican karate guy? They're just forcing him on me. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's all right. All right. I'm in, man.

I would love to see him in CM Punk. I need to be honest. I mean, he's the first fight on the main card. Is that really forcing him on you? No, I get it. It's like the Page Van Zandt stuff. We get it. They're good looking.

Cute? Yeah, they're cuties. They're cuties. Hey, all honesty. It's just me and you listening. No one's listening. You and CM Punk, if you fought, how fast would you beat him? I'm not even asking if you'd beat him because I'm not going to insult you.

How fast would you? Look at me. We'll kick his face off. Well, it would certainly be quicker than how badly or how quickly I would fail the drug test. It would never take place. The way I described it, that drug test, it would be that, I would piss in the cup, they would put it in the machine, and it would go off like, you ever that Bugs Bunny cartoon when they fucking hit the hammer on the toy and it hits, the thing slides up and it hits the bell, the bell goes flying in the air? That's what would happen. You the piss test they go get out They'd be like he's get the fuzz on everything the last time we saw us with Vitor Belfort

And he's high right now, and you're high right bro. He's no right now. Let's say Dana gives you like that weird Brock Lesnar exemption Yeah, no I'm saying man. Yeah, I'm not interested. I know he's the guy well, but what me too. I wish him well Well, I actually like him as a person what he's doing. I'm not interested. I wish the guy well, but what... Me too. I wish him well. I actually like him as a person. What he's doing, I would have never recommended. I would never recommend you climbing Mount Everest without a guide. I would never recommend you even making an attempt at running a marathon if you've never run a step. And I know that he's had some training.

I know he's had some training. But to jump right in to fight in the UFC against a kid like a kid like Mickey Gall the major league sir who is a fucking killer He's really good on the ground way better than you on the ground the idea that Someone would think that that's a good idea if I know it's probably a shit ton of money They gave him and that's all well and good short-sighted, but if you wanted to do it, right? This is what you say you say listen, dude We got to get you an amateur fight against a guy who's, well, he might not be. It depends on what he's trying to do.

But if you wanted to get an amateur fight against someone who is of similar skill level and similar experience level, so you feel what it's like to be going after it. Jeff Mayweather on Floyd Mayweather's MMA move, he might actually whoop CM Punk's ass first. Floyd or CM Punk? If they do that... I will sell the shit out of that fight. I will be on Showtime going, good to see you, Joe.

This is an amazing fight for the fans. We got one hell of a fight coming up. My heart. Be still, my heart. They might do that. They might do it. Oh my God, my heart. And you know I'm going to be involved.

My heart. I can't take it. My heart is flying out of my chest. If I saw Floyd Mayweather across from CM Punk, I'd be like, this is not real life. That. Yes. Dude, that's the fight. Who wins?

Right? Well, listen. We know that Floyd can't fight Conor in an MMA fight. That's silly, he can. Let's take that out of the equation. But the odds of Conor losing are so astronomically small. Minus 100,000 favorite. Like, whatever the fuck Vegas puts on it, that's cute.

I don't care if it's 10 to 1, 100 to 1. I don't think they're going to do that. No, they're like, we don't have odds for this. You guys can't make money off this. I bet it's going to be like 900 to 1. It's going to be something ridiculous. Some Buster Douglas madness. Buster Douglas is only like 42.

It's crazy. This is going to be insane if they're smart. Because Conor's going to kick his legs out. He's not even going to get a chance to come close enough. He can do whatever he wants. Conor's going to kick his fucking legs out. He doesn't have any chance. And then if Conor decides to shoot in and clin wants. Connor's going to kick his fucking legs out. He doesn't have any chance. And then if Connor decides to shoot in and

clinch, he's going to clinch and he's going to rag doll him. Well, he could jump to half guard and literally name a submission. Nine? That's a slap in Connor's face. Minus 900. Who the fuck made those? Oh, this is nonsense. Odds.

No, that's a joke. That's someone on share dog. At Bovada? Oh my this is nonsense odds. No, that's a joke. That's someone on ShareDog. That's real odds. You can take it right now. At Bovada? Oh, my God. Oh, my God. These people are crazy. Can I put my life savings on that?

That's the easiest money of all time. They're off by a factor of 10. Listen, if this fight takes place, Floyd doesn't have a chance. What about Floyd CM Punk, though? Now you've got a fight on your hands. Floyd's got a real chance. Yeah, Floyd KO's him. Yeah, Floyd's got a real chance. Yeah, Floyd K.O.'s him. Yeah, Floyd's got a real chance. Unless

CM Punk figures out a way. But also CM Punk, way bigger. Okay, let's be honest about that. CM Punk is a guy who is wrestling probably like 190 pounds, cut weight to get to 170 to fight in the UFC. You saw that though, son. Yeah. Well, he's not on anything.

I don't think he's on anything. Well, WWE's pretty loosey-goosey. WWE's like it. Right, but I'm pretty sure he's at least according to everybody that I've talked to and everything I've heard about him, he's a real straight edge. No drinking, no drugs, no steroids. I'm not saying he is. He looks like it. Right now, he's as clean as they come. Right, but I think

he always was. I really do. And I don't think he's lying. Yeah. That said, Floyd Mayweather is the fucking greatest boxer maybe of all time. Of all time. At least on paper he is. I mean, his accomplishments through multiple weight classes, undefeated, 50-0. I don't care if the last fight was Conor McGregor. He's still 50-0.

That's fucking insane. Insane. Yeah, dude. He's on another level of everybody who's on another level. What this fight is like, it's like you and your buddy's at a bar, and Floyd walks in, and your buddy goes, who has no background ever, maybe did some performance arts in high school, and you look at him and go, can you beat up Floyd Mayweather? And then you guys find out.

You're going to get punched in the fucking face very fast and multiple times. The question is, can Floyd fight the same way he fights with big gloves with MMA gloves? The reason why I say this is because Floyd's broken his hand multiple times. He's had some serious surgeries on his hands. Now, maybe they've cured it, and maybe it's fine, but we all know that for the longest time, Floyd preferred a puffier glove when he fought. Yeah, a bigger glove for protection. But he hasn't had hand problems in a while

so maybe he did fix it and his hands looked fucking great against Conor. How many pay-per-views does CM Punk Floyd do? And where do we stop? This is where you gotta come in and cut this shit out because I heard Morgan Freeman throws a mean sidekick. He could sell pay-per-views. Do we fucking sign him up? Yeah, man.

Do you know what I'm saying? Who's he going to fight? George Clooney? No, Larry King. Morgan Freeman versus Larry King. To the death. They're going to die no matter what. Someone's dying. Someone is dying before they make the change. Once they start swinging, we might lose them both. Good God, man. It's crazy.

It's crazy we're even talking about it. It's crazy there's odds of Conor versus Floyd in a mixed martial arts match. And you know what else is crazy? Floyd's actually considering it. It's crazy there's odds of Conor versus Floyd in a mixed martial arts match. And you know what else is crazy is Floyd's actually considering it. Floyd's talking to Espinosa at showtime about an MMA fight. I think he's going to make a half a billion dollars. Me too. I'd fight anyone on this planet.

I'd fight Francis Khabib in the same night for half a billion dollars. Half a billion. It's really possible. I mean, they really might rake it in with that fight. And the UFC's going, cha-ching, cha-ching. Floyd might be willing to do it if they made, imagine if they made a deal to do two. He goes, alright, I'll tell you

one more MMA. Well, I'll do one MMA and one more boxing. God, just stop. And you know there's a market for it. I guess I'll fuck him up again. And you know there's a market for it. Dude, that would be crazy money. And the actual MMA heads are turning over in their graves. They fucking hate this. I think you could sell it.

I think if Conor decided to give five, six months for a training camp, Conor McGregor in talks over a stunning $500 million rematch with Floyd Mayweather. That's crazy. I can't wait. Get your money, man. I can't wait. Get your money, man. I can't wait. Get your fucking money, Connor. I cannot wait. But I would say CM Punk, because this is what happens.

CM Punk over Floyd? CM Punk would have to figure out how to get this takedown. If they could agree to me at like 160, something like that. Dude, if I'm CM Punk, I tell Duke Rufus, take this one out, and I army crawl over to Floyd because he can't kick him in the face, and I just get a hold of his leg. It's a complete shit show. And I fucking just sweep his knee, that little tiny scrawny ankles out, and I crawl on top mount, and they stop the fight.

What if Floyd Mayweather knows karate? We'll kick his head off? Seriously. What if we've never seen it before? He's been hiding it behind closed doors and then he comes out sideways and starts throwing sidekicks. You're like, no.

And C.A. Punk goes, fuck. Can you imagine if Floyd starts throwing perfect Muay Thai leg kicks? Swap. This is like me and my buddy in 6th grade talking about crazy fucking mutants fighting in Street Fighter. But let me ask you this in all

honest you and i are grown men if you are a world championship boxer you're gonna be exposed to a certain amount of kickboxers wouldn't you say hey man show me how to do that how do i do that and what part of the leg you hit messing around like right here oh shit that hurts yeah oh shit now show me how to do it show them how to do it on the back i got like floydweather pick up kicks like that mastermind the way that he could punch the smartest people ever been around He learns how to dig his body into things He just transferred that to his leg brilliant and he would start snapping front kicks on people roundhouse kicks next thing You know, you can't get close enough. You know what? This sounds like the movie of kickboxer I'd see him punks warming up in his locker room. They hear this

Floyd just on the thing kicking like pete spratt yeah and cm punk's going what the fuck no one told me this dude remember pete spratt pete spratt had some he's a monster man i forgot about pete he's a monster for a long time he would hurt your fucking legs man pete spratt's another dude like when you watch him kick the pads, you'd be like, yikes. Yes, the shirt and guys. Yikes. No one that I've ever seen kick anything other than a person may be more terrified than watching Pedro Hizzo kick a heavy bag one day. Well, that's fucking Renny Couture about it. Dude, I'm telling you, I've seen a lot of powerful guys kick a heavy bag.

It sounds different. Like, I've seen Maurice Smith kick the fucking heavy bag, dude. Maurice Smith's another one. Terrifying. Denver represent. Boom. Powerful kicks. Powerful kicks.

He showed me a lot of shit. He, like, corrected a lot of things. I had, like, a Taekwondo style of throwing my kicks, and he was showing me a bunch of different ways that he delivers things, dude. And he would kick my bag. It would boom. Fuck your bag up. Pedro Hizzo hits twice as hard.

Is there anyone like that today who kicks as hard? Dude, Pedro Hizzo would kick the bag at Beverly Hills Jiu-Jitsu. And I would just sit there like Macaulay Culkin. Like, ooh. He hits so hard, dude. Is there anyone like that that kicks today? Not really. There's not a lot of heavyweights who kick.

Well, at that level, Overeem. Overeem can kick like that. Not anymore, really, though. Well, he's having a hard time taking the shots that he used to take. But when he fought Brett Rogers in Strikeforce, that was one of the first things he did is crack Brett Rogers in the leg. Because when he fought Brock Lesnar, I mean, that's when he was at his best. That's true. When he body kicked Brock Lesnar.

Dude, he's just been through the ringer, man. You've got to think about it. He's still doing it, man. He's still doing it. He's still like, good luck beating that dude. He's a nightmare for, look at the division. He has an amazing ability to, oh, this is horrible. He kicks this dude, this poor dude.

Oh, no, he's going to kick his leg. Oh, he made him get rid of the bag? No, don't do it. Don't do it. Don't let him do it, man. Tell me he breaks his leg. Oh, this poor dude. Oh, no. He's going to kick his leg. He may get rid of the bag. No, don't do it. Don't do it. Don't let him do it, man. Tell me he breaks his leg. Oh, he probably would. Forrest Griffin broke a dude's leg doing this. Watch this. He just does this.

Just touches it. That dude got a terrible Charlie horse from him just touching him. See if you can find a video of Pedro Hizzo kicks the heavy bag. It's got to be a video. That's it? You can kick him. Google the Randy Couture fight.

Randy has a permanent death. Oh, here it is. This guy's going to let him. He's going to hold the pad. And Pedro's going to kick him. Jack, too. Watch this shit. The fucking power.

Oh, shit. That guy flew through the air and landed on his back. Look at this. Boom. That guy said, I'm doing it for the gram, son. Dude, come on. God, he needed views so bad. He took a leg kick from Pedro.

I'm telling you, man. I've never seen anybody kick a bag harder. No, I ain't doing that. When I saw him thudding into that bag, I was just imagining my whole body shutting down. Like one of those leg kicks. Your whole body would just go. That ain't for you. That ain't for you.

Damn it. On a smaller scale, I guess maybe Barboza probably kicks right now. Yeah, Barboza. But Barboza is an accumulation guy. He definitely could knock you out with one shot. He has great kicks, though. Yeah. Quicker.

He's got more dexterity, for sure. He can do more different things, wheel kicks. What a lighter dude. And his switch kick is just fucking insane. What Pedro did harder than anybody was leg kicks. It was like a timber kick. Barbosa's the only guy that's ever stopped someone twice. He stopped two different guys.

Monster, man. Yeah. How about, I would love to see, and it's starting to come out now, Dos Anjos-Woodley. Dude. That's the fight. I know Woodley wants a super fight and probably deserves it. What the fuck is going on with Woodley and Dana White? I don't know.

I'll call you back. Calling each other liars and some craziness. I thought I was talking to Woodley, and I thought he was going to get the Diaz fight, which is a good fight. It's a great fight. Yeah, but here's the deal. It doesn't make sense, numerically, rankings, but fuck rankings these days. They don't really count.

You look who votes for him. Right. It doesn't really count. Belts don't matter. So it's all about super fights these days. They don't really count. You look who votes for him. Right. It doesn't really count. Belts don't matter. So it's all about super fights these days, which is unfortunate. For Woodley, though, that's why he wants the super fight. Well, why wouldn't you? You'd have to be crazy to not.

That's how you make money. That's how you make money. That's why guys want it. And that's a big fight. You have Nate Diaz fighting him. And here's the thing. Both guys, whether it's Nate Diaz or Dos Anjos, are going to provide the kind of fight that I think Tyron needs. Me too.

Because I think Tyron fought two super difficult guys. He fought Damian Maia, which you cannot take to the ground. And then he fought Wonderboy Thompson, who's super awkward. Two fights where there wasn't the kind of action that everybody wanted, but really the only way to successfully fight Wonderboy. Yeah, you can't hate on Woodley. But you look at, Woodley gets a bad rap You look at his track record You know the how many times he fought last year and defend the title and his finishes and the quickest knockout in the in the division

He's a monster, but he gets this hate because you're only as good as your last fight So you have the Maya fight which house you know fight my man, right? And again any the top five fights the orange shoulder early in the fight But yeah, I agreed a dos Santos ain't gonna going to bring it, which is exactly what Woodley needs, man. 100%. Dos Anjos is a dangerous fight for anybody. And if I'm Woodley, I take that fight because you need it. If you don't fight, you're out of the public eye, especially the fight fans.

You can be in all the movies you want. You can do that TMZ show. That's not moving the needle, man. You've got to fight. But for Dos Anjos, it's a super dangerous fight because he's gotta get inside that danger zone where Tyron could put anybody to sleep. You gotta think, Tyron is the only guy I mean, Matt Brown beat the shit out of Wonderboy

but that was early in Wonderboy's career and also the word was that Wonderboy came into that fight overtrained. He was working on his wrestling, working on his takedown defense he was flat going into the fight. And Matt Brown's just a fucking animal. Other than that, no one else has really hurt him except for Tyron. And in both of those fights, you've got to think,

Wonderboy's the big-time striker and one of the best kickboxers to ever fight in MMA, especially that American karate style, sideways style. One of the best strikers ever in the UFC. Phenomenal. There's already one that might be the best, but yeah. Phenomenal. Top of the food chain. Top three.

Woodley hurts him. Blast him in the face. Twice. Both fights. Both fights, Woodley's the one who almost wins by stoppage. You've got to respect that. I know. It's incredible that he was able to catch him. It's incredible that he has the kind of power that even in the fourth round, he could still put a fucking hurting

on him and almost put him away. Woodley's a monster. And also remember, Wonderboy beat, ready, Robert Whitaker. Right. Whitaker's last loss. Yep. KO'd him Robert Whittaker right Whitaker's last loss KO'd him but that was also Whitaker at 170 he was having a really hard time I know I'm just saying like that's still fucking impressive I think that was what prompted him to move up yeah or one of the fights one of them where he's like yeah maybe not maybe not but either way for I think Dos Anjos he I remember

Dos Anjos striking with out there at a Kings with Verdum and those boys. Javier Cadero. I'm going to fucking strike. At 70, he's a nightmare. And also, he can grapple, man. Yes. Very dangerous on the ground. Wrestling is dangerous to play with him.

What he did with Neil Magny, too. It's like, Jesus Christ. Just chews him up. Just chewed him up, man. He's a fucking animal. It's a good fight for Woodley. I want to get the DS fight for him personally and get paid, and it's a great matchup for him,

but that Dos Angeles fight's a motherfucker. Here's what I think. I think Woodley, in any other situation other than that lineup of Damian Maia and two Wonderboy fights, take those fights out of the equation. You got Robbie Lawler, who he starches by knockout. You got Josh Koscheck, who he puts into another dimension. You have all these people he's smashing.

The Jay Aeron fight. I mean, you're looking at a smasher. He smashes people. So you give him a couple other fights of people that are forced to stand with him. I know. People that are in that division. If there was a different lineup of contenders, he would have gone through these fights. And if he had emerged victorious like he did, it would have been an amazing face of the UFC.

Yeah. Amazing results, right? And he's great on TV. He's a great talker. He speaks well. He's articulate. He had a great story. Bought his mom a house.

Yeah, and he's very even. You know what I'm saying? I know. He doesn't have crazy ups and downs when he talks. He's very easy to listen to. I mean, he's got a tremendous belief in himself, but every champion does. They have to. I know. So all he a tremendous belief in himself, but every champion does. They have to. So all he needed was the right

kind of matchups. I know those three fights kind of fucked him. Both of these fights we're talking about are that right kind of matchup. They're both the right kind of matchup. Nate Diaz is the right kind of matchup. Nate is going to fucking bring it. That's going to be a crazy fight. And for sure, Dos Anjos is the crazy matchup at 170. And when you remember what

Dos Anjos did to Nate at 155, you gotta go, you gotta give the shot to Dos Anjos is the crazy matchup at 170. And when you remember what Dos Anjos did to Nate at 155, you got to give the shot to Dos Anjos. Have to. Especially after Dos Anjos just his last big win, man. Unless he agrees to step aside for a little peace. Who? Maybe he agrees to step aside. For who?

For Nate. Listen, man, I know you guys got gotta get that money just give me a taste God I'll sit back just give me 50 but 150 me a hundred hundred fifty hundred fifty to do nothing but did you hear Rashad Evans he thinks Woodley's make a mistake and you know Rashad had the same problem where he was arguing with Dane and not focusing on his career shot goes it'll fuck you up me put all this energy energy into Dana and the business side, and you're not taking care of the fight business.

That fight business I don't understand, so I don't want to judge. But I don't, yeah. You don't want to get involved with that. I just don't. Unless, and I say this, and it's frustrating, but unless you're a Conor McGregor type of draw, there's not a lot to argue with, man. Dana's always going to come out on top, and it's not a lot to argue with, man. Dana's always going to come out on top.

It's not a knock on Dana. If I'm Dana, I don't know if I'd run it any other way. It's like my show or the highway, my man. What are you going to do? That's the way you run a big, giant-ass business like that. I get it. You're a dictator. There's another way to do it. Maybe there's another way to do it, but it hasn't been done before.

It's possible. I don't have any experience in it. I don't want, I think, I don't have any experience in it. I don't want to talk about shit I don't have any experience in. I like talking about shit I don't know about. I know there's a lot of nightmares, scenarios that they've encountered on both sides. But I think that I just would never want to have arguments with the fighters. I feel like, especially like calling each other liars and shit, it just seems crazy to me. Yeah, that's weird

because it's crazy for both people i'd be like it doesn't help anyone because if you're dana you go he's a he's a fucking liar i know he's talking about he's a boring fighter well he makes you money you're diminishing your product and if you're woodley you go you're a fucking liar you told me i was in ideas but that's part of his appeal now dana goes all right well now i don't look like a complete dick and liar, so I'm not giving you that fight. I said I didn't want to do it. Maybe I told you behind closed doors we're going to do it. You just called me out in public.

Well, now I can't go back on my word. You're not getting that fight. Well, I think they probably brought it up to him. That's what they're saying. Dana said a lawyer brought it up. He said a UFC lawyer who's very invested in the UFC and makes a lot of matches, a lot of calls. The name slips my mind right now. A lawyer brought it up. Oh. He said a UFC lawyer who's very invested in UFC and makes a lot of matches, a lot of calls. The name slips my mind right now.

A lawyer brought it up? One of the UFC, who works for the UFC, actually tried making the fight happen. That's weird that you say that because he said that the lawyers contacted Tyron and told him to stop saying that. Well, I'm sure after he gave him the offer and Dana goes, what the fuck? Take that out. I don't know. I don't know how that works.

Me neither. I don't know. But the point is. When he was on your show, did he talk about it at all? No. I don't think it had been brought up then. He had just gone through shoulder surgery. He just had his labrum fixed, which is another thing. Like, hey, man, how long does that take to fix?

You got to make sure that shit gets fixed right. Yeah, it's due in July. Yeah, I mean, hopefully it'll be done right but that's four or five months like it's touch and go with shoulder injuries you really don't know like especially his style that shoulder needs to be 100 he's a fucking exploder correct he explodes on that jay heron fight when he storms forward and fucking throws that giant overhand right like whoa that's a a explosion and now yeah because they were going to try and make him come back quicker because they're trying to fill that ufc 222 and

then you got because you got frankie ortega frankie yeah and ortega right and then cyborg versus a girl we've never heard of one thing though he's like super proactive on his recovery he's talking about prp and stem cells he's a professional man tyrone's a complete professional woodley is as professional as they get as they get and i also think he's probably going to be smart about it if it's not 100 you know so maybe he's planning for it to be 100 and maybe there are a few months out if it's not they could always readjust but he also has other you know forks in the fire. He goes, I got the UFC Tonight gig. I got this TMZ sports show.

So he can force my hand, but I got these other gigs over here too. He's smart. He's smart. And he's also got his YouTube thing that he does, Champ Life. He does his own. Oh, it's like an embedded thing? Yep. He does his own.

What is it? Is it called Champ Life? I think it's called Champ Life. Find out what it is. I'm pretty sure Tyron Woodley's show is which is smart you gotta you know you gotta you gotta do your thing very smart you gotta he means diversifying his output it's very smart well i think a lot of guys are learning from you a lot of guys are learning from you i mean they gotta realize that you're funny bitch you better be funny too champ life that's it the champ life

tyron woodley. But there's I think it's smart, you know, to try to make some sort of a transition. What separates you from a lot of these guys is you're very funny. And that's you that are or you aren't. Yeah. I don't know if Tyron's that funny, but he's definitely a bad motherfucker. And I want

to see what he's up to. I think that's interesting. I think that these kind of shows look, would you want to watch some kid electrify dead rats? Or do you want to watch how the best motherfucker, 170 in the world, lives his life? Don't you want to watch that guy train? The fuck is that guy doing? He's electrocuting dead rats. After being suspended.

By that. All right, check this out, though. Tyron Woodley's fucking everybody up on the planet. I mean, wouldn't you want to watch that? To me, it's the guy. It's a fine line, though, and I like what Woodley's doing, stuff like that. And you have to have almost another team control it.

You know, with Frankie, Frankie has the UFC gym. He has all these other business endeavors. He goes, I don't deal with it at all. I have a team who deals with it. I focus on fighting. Because for Woodley, he's very hands-on. That's what made him world champion. And if you're not focused on things, and I

said this to Cowboy, I said, what do you think Darren Till was doing when you're on these movie sets, man? He's kicking bags. He's thinking about beating you. So you've got to be very, it's a fine line. It's a super fine line. You don't see the NFL athletes or the NBA athletes trying all these other avenues.

Because they're making banks, so they don't have to do it. Anything is distracting. Anything that you have to do. It's taking away from your art. And if you've ever been on a movie set before, have you ever done a movie? I've been on set, yes. You've been on set when you did those shows that you and Cal did together. It's a lot of fucking work, man.

It takes a long time. We wrote all those, so it was even more work. But yeah, when you're on set, it's hurry up and wait. You're not doing anything else. Right. And if you are a guy who has to be in shape for a world title fight or a world class fight like that. Like anybody trying to do a movie before a big fight, man, you better spend a lot of time. Look at Ronda. I hate to go back to old Patton, but you look at Ronda.

It's just you have the wrong people in the air. No, you can do this. You can do this. And now WME controls UFC and we'll put you in this movie. We'll put you in this movie. God, I don't know, man. You got to strike while the iron's hot. You know what's really interesting, man,

is how many times that story repeats itself over and over again. I mean, that's the theme in Rocky. Always, man. Remember before Rocky fights Clubber Lang, he's getting all soft and shit. He's in movies and shit. He's in movies with Hulk Hogan. Remember that?

Yeah. I mean, all this crazy shit. Was it a movie with Hulk Hogan or was it a TV show it was an exhibition hey we just move around yeah me and him we're gonna move around yeah hey we're gonna move around and then hulk's all serious hulk hogan like wrestlers are no joke man wrestlers like you could say all you want that wrestling is fake i'm into wwe now but the fucking athleticism those guys have and the toughness to slam each other around like that every night. And they work like 300 nights a year, man.

It's a monster. I got, you know, Strong Closet Voxen's a buddy. He threw Stallone into the fucking crowd. How jacked is Hulk, man? Now, who's catching Stallone? Is it a team of stuntmen, you think? Yeah, for sure. They must have practiced that shit. You know what? That looks like a dummy. Is Hulk grabbing his asshole? That's not a real person. What? That looks like a fake person. Is it? I thought, but it has to be him. There's no way they could it. That looks like it don't grab that. That's not a real person

All right, that looks like a fake person. Is it I thought but it has to be him There's no way they could have pulled that off. You don't think so in the 80s. No, I don't think so Man, you look at the body that shit's real. I don't know if that's not rubbery enough I feel like his legs adjust in midair man You can tell the difference between someone's legs adjusting and they're not adjusting. Yeah, you might be right I had a buddy do a movie with Stone Cold. And he's not Stone Cold. With Rocky.

And they said Sylvester Stallone will tell real fight stories from his movies. Like, they're actual fights. Like, I remember when I was in there with Hulk Hogan. I remember he threw this left and I saw the core of my eye. I was like, not today. He killed you. Yeah. What?

He's so, like, in that fight world. And he'll talk about his old fight scenes like they were actual fights. But is you. Yeah. What? He's so in that fight world. And he'll talk about his old fight scenes like they were actual fights. Which is awesome. But is he doing it for fun? Or does he really think that they fought? Here's the thing. When a guy gets old enough and they get famous for saying crazy shit, that's definitely him. He adjusts.

He lifts forward when he throws him in. He pulls his head back away from the ground. God, we get powerful Hulk Hogan. Hulk was a monster. Dude, I ran into Hulk Hogan once. I met Hulk Hogan when I did the UFC. I had to interview him once. And it was one of the funnest fucking interviews of my life.

First of all, I couldn't believe I'm sitting there talking to Hulk Hogan. But he's pumping up wrestling. And so I got fucking super pumped up about it. I got jazzed up. And I was mugging for the camera. It was so stupid. But it was one of the funnest times I've ever had ever interviewed anybody. They're showmen, dude.

Oh, look at you, man. Sports and entertainment. Huge personality. The one and only Hulk Hogan. What's up, brother? Welcome aboard, sir. How are you? Thank you, my brother. You know to be here with Joe Mania and Dana White, it doesn't get any better than this, brother. These guys

are going to war out here it's unbelievable now you've been in some mma fights before are you a ufc fan oh i'm a huge fan my brother i sure am now uh i understand that you have recently uh announced a partnership with tna wrestling and his president dixie carter you're gonna be moving to spike tv we're gonna see some hulkamania on Spike TV. Now, is this the same organization that Billy Corgan owns? Does he own? Which one does he own?

I'm pretty sure he owns TM. I remember which one he bought. I'm pretty sure he bought this one, yes. Yeah, I'm pretty sure he bought this one. I list that podcast. He owns that one. How cool is Billy Corgan? I want to be friends with him, bro.

He just decides to buy a pro wrestling organization. He knows his shit, though, as far as wrestling goes. I know, but how funny it is when you hear him talking. He's like, yeah, everybody wants me to be all emo. I'm like watching pro wrestling. I love it, man. I used to hate him.

He bought the National Wrestling Alliance. Oh, NWA. So that's TNA and then NWA. And Hulk used to be part of NWA too, though, right? NWO. NWO. That's New World Order. NWA was Ric Flair, right?

Wasn't that Ric Flair? What's that? NWA. Was Ric Flair. Now they want him to go to WWF. Yeah. But it was too late. That's right.

Woo! Dude, I have Ric Flair t-shirts now. You should. You should. Ric Flair is a bad motherfucker. I have Ric Flair t-shirts now. You should. You should. Ric Flair is a bad motherfucker. I'm trying to get them on my show. Yeah. You should have them on here.

I would love to have them on here. Ric, if you're out there, sir, open invitation. Dude. I'm into wrestling now. Have you seen that video of the football players in the green room? Yes. Or in the locker room? Yes.

Repeating it and then in between Ric, the nature boy, Flair, saying it back and forth. No, I haven't seen that. You haven't seen it? No, please bring that up, James. See if you can find it. I forget the team that was doing it, but they were yelling out his slogan and in between Rick. Limousine riding, tuxedo wearing.

And I'm having a hard time keeping these gators down. Here it is. Here it is. Here it is. Give it to me from the beginning. Rolex word. Woo! Diamond ring word. Woo!

Diamond ring word. It's Dillon. Woo! Will and Dillon. Woo! Limousine ride. Woo! Jet flying.

Woo! Son of a gun. Son of a gun. I'm having a hard time holding these guys inside. I'm taking you to the holding these alligators down! Now, they did this, and then they spliced it in with Ric Flair. See if you can find that. It's them saying one line, and then,

Ric Flair! Saying the second line, and then going back to them. It's fucking amazing. I'm having a hard time holding these alligators down! Yeah, dude, it's fucking amazing. I don't think that's it. See, there's a video out there. Someone has it.

Dude, I've never been. Someone send it to Jamie on Twitter. I've never been more moved by a documentary than when I watch this 30 for 30. This is it. Diamond ring wearing, kiss stealing, wheeling dealing, Limousine rack, jet flying. Son of a gun. And I'm having a hard time holding these alligators down. The greatest.

I mean, when he fires up. Someone, like, a catchphrase. Like someone saying something that just gives you goosebumps and makes you fired up and make you start fucking clapping. Dude, to this day, if you say Ric Flair on stage and hold the microphone out, the whole audience will go, woo! Even in Australia. While Matthews was like balls deep with a guy gouging his eyes out, you heard, woo! Yeah, dude. Everybody.

All over the world. All over the world. All over the world. But it's like an amazing, weird occurrence that happens every now and then, where a guy just nails something and becomes a part of pop culture forever. But think about it. Floyd, Conor, they're all ripping off from him. That's where they got it. Remember, he was way before all of them. Well, Muhammad Ali was before him, though. Muhammad Ali was talking shit like that

In the 1960s Not like that though right Not like boasting about his riches Are you kidding me Not to that level Dude Muhammad Ali would write poems I know poems but not about Money and splurging and limousines

And bitches and alligators Maybe not about bitches and alligators, but about how great he was. It's different, though. You talk about how great he was, how he finished men around, stuff like that. I've seen that. I'm saying as far as boasting and almost that low-level rags to riches. Right. You know what I'm saying?

Maybe he did. I don't know, but I know he would belittle people to no end. For sure. He said about Jimmy Terrell. He said Jimmy Terrell. He the dreams. He beats me better wake up and apologize Like he was he would say shit. He's a poem Who fought you said that whoever he's fine? I thought it was the Frasier we said if he even dreams about being I don't think it was but I mean there were so many Of those fucking interviews where he talked so much crazy shit you talk talks shit, but I'm talking... Yeah, give me something. He must fall in five rounds, but if you talk about me, I'll cut it three.

I'll never fight another fella as tough as Doug Jones, not even that big ugly bear Sonny Lester. Is he your next fight? Well, after I annihilate this Henry Cooper, I want that bear. And what's going to happen to him? I want him bad. What's going to happen to him? He might be great, but he'll fall in eight.

I'm the prettiest fight in the ring today. That's my label. He was a smart guy, man. He talked crazy shit. Super smart. I'm too fast. But it was always about his skills. It wasn't like, I have this much money, I have a limo, I have a Rolex.

We're like Floyd and like Ric Flair took that to another level. That's true. Right. He took the I'm a rich guy thing to a limo. I have a Rolex. We're like Floyd and like Ric Flair took that to another level. That's true. Right. He took the I'm a rich guy thing to a new level. And like bragged about his riches because he was a heel. So he's like, I got money. I got bitches. I got gators for coats.

What's up? I'm having a hard time holding these alligators down. One more time. Yeah, give me that again. Looking at a guy out here hollering my name. When last year I spent more money on spilled liquor in bars from one side of this world to the other than you made. You're talking to the Rolex wearing diamond ring, wearing kids stealing wheeling dealing limousine riding

kids stealing just flying son of a gun and I'm having a hard time holding these alligators down that fires me up that is the best line of all time

I'm just happy that's a real person me too you know I mean that's like every now and then someone creates a character right

they nail something whatever the fuck it is it's just when a guy can do that and it gets to everybody you know how it's so hard these days to be original like that because there's so many great figures before us that give these lines like

when's the last time you heard someone come up with a new quote that someone's like inspired by like it's all old man you know what the worst time you heard someone come up with a new quote that someone's like inspired by? Like it's all old, man. You know what the worst thing is? When someone tries a quote, but it doesn't work. There is nothing more painful. Oh, the worst. There's nothing more painful.

But I thought about it. You're not going to come up with some new quote that we haven't heard before. It's been done before, man. Yeah, there's some wacky ones out there, though. Some people try super hard for a quote. Especially hot girls with Instagram. Like, don't fuck with einstein's quote and post your ass how dare you good move i do like them but how dare you pathagoras triangle dude did you see elon musk where where do you have you seen this where trump goes uh thank god to spacex stuff like that shows

you how basically something about americans right elon goes, I'm from South America, dumbass. South Africa. South Africa, that's right. Did he call him a dumbass? Dumbass. That's hilarious. Hilarious. It's false?

I just Googled it. Is that fake? Snopes says it was false. Damn it! I want to believe! My friend sent that to me. I thought it was hilarious. I want to believe.

Yeah, well, how do you not love a guy who shoots a fucking car into space? And then put, this was built by humans. Let him do whatever he wants. Hey, man, if I said to you, hey, Brendan, let's go to the White House and ask them if we could shoot a car into space. You're like, what the fuck are you talking about, man?

No, I think I'm going to go there. I'm going to just tell them, I got this idea. I got like a tube and some gunpowder. I'm going to go there. I'm going to just tell them. I got this idea. I got like a tube and some gunpowder. I'm going to light the bottom part on fire. Send this light, Tesla. I've never done it before, but I'm pretty sure I could shoot a car in space. I'm going to have a mannequin at the car.

It's fucking nuts. Well, where's it going to go? It's just going to float around in space. Try to get to Mars. We're going to overshoot, though. This is one of the things. Who was saying this? Oh, though. This is one of the things. Who was saying this? Oh, Duncan. We were like, what if the spaceship shot this car into space, and this car hits an asteroid

that sends it hurling towards Earth? It's just like a bomb. It changes the direction of this asteroid. Because it's one of the things they've always said. Like, if an asteroid is coming our way, they would shoot something at it. It would bounce it out of the way. Yeah, like Armageddon. And that would save us.

The movie Armageddon. Bruce Willis did it. Yeah. But would bounce it out of the way. Yeah, like Armageddon. And that would save us. The movie Armageddon. Bruce Willis did it. Yeah. But what if it bounced it towards us? What if this asshole shooting his fucking car with David Bowie on the stereo? He fucking clips this asteroid. It goes straight to Manhattan. It goes straight to us.

What? Boom. Elon Musk, biggest dick of all time then. Or what if we shoot that car into space and it hits an alien spaceship that's coming here to give us wisdom? Just completely fucked up. Right through the windshield. That's a negative way of thinking. Is this the flat earth guy?

Yeah. Oh, that guy's crazy. He's only raised $110 because you're a dumbass. That's weird. Wait a minute. Because you're a dumbass. Hold on. It's only $110 at a $10,000 goal?

Listen, you flat earthers. You need to put your money where your mouth is. I'm starting to believe that you don't really believe in this cause. Yeah, send my boy Michael Hughes $10,000 goal listening flat earthers. You need to put your money where your mouth is I'm starting to believe that you don't really believe in this cause. Yes, and my boy Michael Hughes $10,000 you get your liver spotted hands off my mother. He's had a couple of shots at it This is he bailed on the first shot fails, right? I don't think he's actually does he launched himself into space yet? I think they got delayed a few times. I'm surprised gonna do it They the government got involved and was like, yeah, you can't do that.

Yo, that is such a crazy move to make your own rocket. I'm surprised Eddie doesn't fucking, he has $10,000. If Eddie, you think there's flat, fucking give this guy some money. But what about that B.O.B. character? Isn't he super wealthy? He doesn't have a single in forever. Well, it's because he's been too busy with flat earth theory. Wasting his money.

Listen, man, once he understands the fucking real true image of the earth and then you have a wall that surrounds the outer realm of the earth and everybody thinks the world is round, you got some shit to tell to people. It's more important than your rap songs. You made things rhyme. You gotta get people woke. Look at the guy from Blink-182. He moved on.

Y'all gotta take this flat earth shit to the next level. Fuck the flat versus round argument. Let's talk more about the simulation and whose programming it is. That's how both sides get benefit if it's round or flat. Oh, my God. It's crazy. It's crazy.

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It's crazy. It's crazy. It's crazy. It's crazy. It's and this is something really important for anybody who's listening to this. You got to not hang yourself on your ideas. I've done it. I did it in the past. When you do that, you're not really paying attention. You're only looking for things that support your idea.

It's called confirmation bias. Everybody's susceptible to it, me included. I've done it a hundred times to myself in the past. But once you realize what it is, if you keep doing the same goddamn thing, then you're being stupid. So once you know what it is and you know it's possible, well, let's just look at this. Look at all the overwhelming

amount of evidence from super geniuses that say it's round. You gotta walk away. It hurts you. It hurts your view of the world to believe that. Because you can't believe it if you're really paying attention. So if you believe that, what you're saying is you have a very limited box in which you're willing to operate in. You're not willing to accept anything outside of what you've already got as a preconceived idea,

and you're ignoring massive amounts of data that points to the fact that you're wrong. So by doing that, you limit your own view of yourself. You don't trust in the way you view things anymore. You're boxed in. It's very dangerous to be committed to something you know is not true. It also shows a level of intelligence, too, because when you've got these geniuses who spent their entire lives doing this stuff in astrophysics, you're telling me that they're part of this scheme too and they believe that it's, you

know, flat? This is 100% of the problem. 100%. It's adopting an idea too soon. That's 100% of the idea. Because once you adopt that idea and then you hang on to it, now you're fucked. Like Bigfoot, man. Bigfoot was a big one for me.

I was convinced that Bigfoot was real. What's wrong with you? How long ago was this? A couple weeks ago. Not when I'd known you. Yeah, man. When I did this TV show, that's when I totally let it go. I'd kind of let it go before then, but Duncan and I actually went to the Pacific Northwest,

and we went to hang out with real Bigfoot experts. We were searching for Bigfoot all the time. When you say real Bigfoot experts, you mean con artists? No, it's not that. Dumbasses. The way I describe them is unfuckable white dudes. Who have nothing to do. They're just a bunch of fellows. We decided to call ourselves a rap band.

We're going to call ourselves UFWD. Unfuckable white dudes. And you didn't find anything out there in the Pacific Northwest. You didn't find shit. We found camp spots. A lot of spent shells and beer cans laying around. You're better than that, Joe. No, this is what I found out. People want to believe in things.

And once you want to believe in something, instead of looking at it objectively and going, well, I'm not sure, you automatically go towards any information that would point to the fact that the thing is real. Not to the whole body of information. Look, how crazy are these people? When you meet the people that believe in Bigfoot,

the ones that have seen it, the ones that have claimed to have seen it, almost all of them were clearly lying. And a little out of it? There was one lady. Maybe. Some people are just liars. They can't help it.

They make stories up to make themselves feel better. Like they're just crazy. And you can't really say it to their face because you don't really know. But sometimes it just gets ridiculous. And this one lady was one of the only ones that didn't seem like that. This one lady was telling me a story about how she was going through the woods. And she saw some big thing that was standing up. And it was like seven feet tall. And it was moving through the woods, and she saw some big thing that was standing up, and it was like seven feet tall, and it was moving through the woods.

And she saw this thing, and she was like, oh, my God, it's an ape. And then she realized it was Bigfoot. And she saw it for a few steps, and then it was gone. At the time, I was fascinated. At the time, I was like, maybe she really did see it. But now I know for a fact, an absolute fact, that where she lived, there's a lot of black bears. And black bears will often walk on their hind legs. They'll walk like Bigfoot.

They really do. There's many, many, many, many videos. I've seen it with my own two eyes. I saw a bear walk for several steps, like six, seven, maybe even ten steps on its hind legs. Roaring at another bear, and they were gonna fight with each other, and they fought with each other, standing up. They went after each other. Dope.

But dude, he walked towards him. Like that. Look at that. That does look like Bigfoot. Look at that. See that bear? This is a bear that had injured paws. And sometimes they'll get their paw bit off in a fight. Goddamn. They duke it out with each other.

Or maybe they get caught in a trap. You know, some fucking assholes that set traps out there for them, too. So they're forced to walk like that. They bite their own foot off to get out of a trap. Damn, man. That's real, man. They get wolves that way. They catch them in traps.

Jesus. Traps are scary shit. Hell yeah. But these animals, when they get a hurt paw, they'll walk on their back legs like Bigfoot. So she probably saw some shit moving through the woods. Holy shit. Yeah. Dude, they just stand there.

That's terrifying. I know. And they can walk like that. That's terrifying, but it's clearly not a fucking Bigfoot, you morons. No, no, no. See, you say that, but dude, I'm telling you, when you're in the Pacific Northwest, you cannot see 15 yards in front of you.

Duncan and I were talking about it because, you know, we had to hang out up there and go wandering through the woods. We're like, if there was something right there, like five trees away, and then it moved into the back, how long would it take before it disappeared? Two steps? Three steps? It's so dense, dude. It's like a

Q-tip box. You know how you get Q-tips out of a box? Yeah, it's a nightmare. There's so many of them. There's no gaps in between these trees. Have you been to the Pacific Northwest? Like the rainforest up there? No, I've never been in there. I mean, I obviously drove through it going to shows or some shit. It's amazing. And here's the other thing about it.

It's all pine needles, so that you don't even make any noise. Yeah, but I would see a standing figure like that in my educated brain. I'd go, oh, that's a fucking giant bear. No, because you'd be looking at a hill like 100 yards away. And you would see this thing walk through the tree standing up. And you'd be like, what in the fuck was that? And then it's gone. So then your imagination starts running wild.

And your imagination starts filling the blanks. I don't think it's a coincidence. Am I high or not? For sure you're high. Well, then I don't think it's a coincidence. Am I high or not? For sure you're high. Well, then I'd probably think it's Bigfoot. You're in Seattle, man. Okay, that's Bigfoot. Why would you not be high? Yeah, I'm Bigfoot. You're eating mushrooms. You're high as fuck. Oh, I'm on shrooms? Everybody up there's on shrooms. Then that's a

walking brown unicorn. You're walking down this road in the forest and you see something that's in the woods and you see it briefly a hundred yards away for three or four steps. Your brain starts filling in the blanks and you see something that's in the woods and you see it briefly 100 yards away for three or four steps, your brain starts filling in the blanks and you get excited. You saw a fucking Bigfoot

and I will go to my grave knowing what I saw that day. And everybody wants to be special. So everybody wants to pretend they saw a giant monkey in the woods. But when you really talk to them, that was the only lady I knew that wasn't lying to me.

She saw something. She actually thought it was Bigfoot, but it was a standing. If I had a guess, if I had some money to bet, I would bet almost 100% what she saw was a bear. You did the show, and after coming back from that show, you're like, you know what? Bigfoot's bullshit. It's the same feeling I got talking to everybody. Psychic readers, same feeling I got talking to UFO experts, same feeling I got.

Everybody wants to believe. Everybody wants to believe. Everybody wants to believe. See, the UFO I can fucks with. The UFO makes sense to me. There's so many kind of X factors there where I can buy a UFO. It could be real. It could be real. Bigfoot, come on.

Here's the thing about Bigfoot. The reason why it's so attractive is because it used to be a real animal. 100%. It was a thing called Gigantopithecus. Bring that shit up, Jay. They didn a thing called Gigantopithecus. Bring that shit up, Jay. They didn't know about Gigantopithecus until I believe it was the 1920s. They found a tooth of this primate in an apothecary shop in China. And they're like, what the fuck is this?

Someone was selling it? Yeah, they were selling it. And someone found another tooth. And they said, oh, there's another. And the primatologists who check it out, that was a real animal. God. Yeah. Dog. another tooth and they said oh there's another and the primatologist who check it out that was a real animal god yeah dog eight foot tall gigantic orangutan looking thing it still doesn't look like a human it was in the orangutan family no no dude it doesn't well bigfoot's supposed to look like

that oh really supposed to look like yeah it's not supposed to look like a human well i thought it was like a hairy human combo there's a photo of a man standing next to a proportionate man, the average size man standing next to a gigantopithecus statue. See if you can find that in there. I know it's in there. Gigantic picathys. Yeah, that's it. That was how big it was. So that was a real animal, a hundred percent. Now they're not a hundred percent sure that it walked on two legs, but they're pretty sure. And the reason why is the shape of the teeth. That animals that walk on their hind legs, animals that walk upright, have a different shape to their jaw. So that's what they found.

That looks like a gargoyle. They found a jawbone, and they found some teeth, and they found it all on the same site. And then they realized that they're dealing with a totally different animal and he was around how long ago 10,000 years ago so this thing existed somewhere in the neighborhood of I think that's right wait a minute that might be wrong I think I'm thinking of the

Flores man was the Hobbit man the little three foot tall dude sure that dude was like 10 14,000 years ago that was really soon yeah like really recently definitely lived alongside people that this might be a hundred thousand What makes it attractive though is where that thing lived is Exactly where all the animals came across the Bering land bridge that connected Asia to North America So this Bering land bridge, okay was where they think everything came across short face bearsfaced bears, even people. One of the things about Native Americans,

it's a funny thing how they found this out. They found this out through crazy Mormons who wanted to prove that all of the Native Americans were actually the lost tribe of Israel because that was... Mormons are crazy, brother. At least they got something right, though. They got one thing right.

Yes. Nine wives, baby. Keep that party rolling. That's why nobody's fighting over there. Depends on what state you're in. Let's chill. Yeah. So this guy who's like some rich Mormon guy spends a shit ton of money.

Turns out he gets the DNA tested. They're all from Siberia. Really? Yep. Yeah. They came down from Siberia. That's why they look different as they go through the different climates. If you look at Inuits in Alaska, in that area, they look super similar to Siberians, man. Siberians have that strong features, Asian-looking.

Yeah, like the wide face, the high cheekbones. Mongol, like Genghis Khan-looking face, like powerful people. Dude, that's what they look like. They're all from Siberia? Dude, they're from Siberia. And so as they came down and got deeper into North America, then you got all sorts of different influences. Damn, shit. Different kind of people, but they look different.

And they start looking more and more Mexican. When you get down to the Mayans, the Mayans are very Mexican. Aztecs. It's all Mexican. And then they've got people coming in from Spain and teaching them Spanish. But you've got to realize these people started off essentially Native Americans before the Spanish arrived. It's really interesting stuff, man. Dude, it's super

interesting stuff. Mormon found that shit out. So Mormon found that shit by trying to prove that his shit was right. But the problem is, all this time, I'll just wrap it up here, all this time is when that animal existed. So this animal was a real animal during this time

so during the time that all these animals were coming across the Bering land bridge it's highly likely that there might have been one of those fucking things that came over to and then people started to share stories and became this folklore it's probably dead now like it's dead in Asia yeah but the Native Americans have a bunch of different names for it one of the things that's interesting about the Sasquatch in Native American culture, I think they have 40 different names for it. Too much. Well, I think it existed.

I think something like that existed. Or it could have been the same thing about this lady. She sees a bear walking on two legs, a story, they tell a tale. They also were smoking a lot of shit, eating a lot of shrooms. That's right, dog. A lot of that goes into it. A lot of that San Pedro cactus. Yeah, son. Ayahuasca and shit. I see a of shrooms. That's right, dog. A lot of that goes into it. Eating a lot of that San Pedro cactus. Yeah, son.

Ayahuasca and shit. I see a cat. I think it's Bigfoot. Bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum. Yeah, man. Drums and shit in front of the fire on Peyote. Feeling the music, yeah. Wah!

Executing people with knives and shit, drinking their wine. What is all that, Jamie? All the different names for Bigfoot. Ah, come on, everybody. That's crazy. Look at that. Different Native American Bigfoot names. But are these like those gender pronouns where people are just making them up?

Yeah, the meaning over here isn't always just like Bigfoot. Ah, fuck off. One says big man with a little hat. Oh, that's my boy. Harry Savage, Otter Man, Dangerous Being. Bush Man. Dangerous Being. The trickster.

Yeah, a lot of different. Yeah, see. The cannibal demon. A lot of that could be attributed to a lack of understanding of what really is out there. They don't have an accurate account of all the different animals. They know there's a bunch of them that can kill them. Yeah, we would find it by now. The government would find it if the shit was out there.

Someone would find it. Tim Kennedy would find it. Tim Kennedy would find it. If you hear about Tim Gady's new show, I don't mean to interrupt you. Heard of the new show? Hunting for Hitler. No, no, no. What's the new one?

Hard to kill. They put him in certain situations, see if he gets out of it. What? Our boy Aubrey's telling me about this today. What? I think it's on Discovery History. Why are they doing that? Because Tim Kennedy, you can't kill him.

He's Captain America. They put him in a burning plane. He got third degree burns. He makes it out alive. They put him in an avalanche. He gets out alive. Oh, dude, they shouldn't do this. Dude.

Dude, he's such a monster he's a fucking animal but i know he's the best human i know him for a tv show no you can't kill him yeah but you can't kill he's a person nah if yoel romero is waiting there with a hammer he's got a real problem on his hands if yoel is waiting there with epoO and a hammer, he's in trouble. Yeah. Interesting. Crazy show though, right? Yeah, that's a crazy idea. He's another guy who- I say put him on anything. I'm interested in him on anything.

He's a fascinating guy. Great guy. He's a guy who's parlayed his career after fighting something great. Well, he is a professional bad motherfucker. I mean, that's literally who he is. But he's not a meathead too. Not a meathead at all. He's a smart guy. He's educated. But he's a bad motherfucker. He's, that's literally who he is. But he's not a meathead, too. Not a meathead at all. He's a smart guy.

He's educated. But he's a bad motherfucker. He's got good advice for people, too. He's the baddest motherfucker. And just like a nice, nice dude. Don't die, Tim Kennedy. Please. Please don't.

Not that way. I heard that show. Not for TV. I go, what if he dies? Not for TV, Tim. Gotta get those ratings, son. Yeah. I just, again, wouldn't you want to just see that guy hanging around all day?

Well, I mean, do people really want to go see the Kardashians' house? And look at my shoes. Oh, my God. Super cute. Do they really want to see that? Or do they want to see Tim Kennedy at the range talking shit, practicing killing terrorists? I want to see both. I don't want to see the other one.

You want to see the other one? Well, I'm not mad at their asses and stuff. Well, no, I don't care what they say. But I'd like to see Tim Kennedy in the Kardashians' house teach them how to fight. Ooh, okay. Like mix it, you know what I'm saying? Him and Kanye, do you think they would see eye to eye? Yeah, I do.

Tim Kennedy and Caitlyn Jenner? Tim Kennedy is like the anti-Kanye. I bet he would be interesting with Caitlyn. I bet he'd be interesting. He's a very open-minded guy. Yeah. I mean, he doesn't give a fuck what you do. Just don't get in the way of the military.

No, he's the best, man. Don't get in his way. It's not like looking to tell people how to live their life. Damn right he has a show. Should have a show. Well, I think there's a lot of missed opportunities that a lot of these guys have, but what they are as unique individuals is like there's people that are good at promoting themselves and then there's people that just don't have that part of them.

You're referring to fighters? Yeah. Like Stipe. Yeah, exactly. Well, I feel like Stipe is a can't-lose scenario. Me too. You just need more attention, and people need to recognize it more and more. And I think the more wins, like the N'Gana win the junior dos Santos win the Overeem win

it's like he's becoming a superstar she's taking a little bit more time yeah but the you know David the college where he goes he you know he doesn't help us sell the fight and like well him being a firefighter him being the most winning heavyweight of all time that kind of helps right well I guess saying they didn't help what do you mean you just say new he's not saying he doesn't sell you just saying he you know he does the minimum as far as sell like interviews and media he just wants to fight and fight fires you know what man you there's a fine line that has to be drawn right between how much promotion you do and how much training you do

training has to take precedent over anything which is what steve bay does and which is why he's the one in his heavyweight like it's on the promotion. Yeah, I also wonder how much actual travel does versus how much access to him at his gym, talking to him at his gym. Not being able to film any sparring or not being able to film any training that they don't want to, but talk to him there. Have short interviews that only take place while he's in training camp. Do you want to talk to him? Good. The champ will meet you for 15 minutes after practice today. So he just goes there.

He sits for 15 minutes. He answers a couple questions from a guy, and then he bolts. He says, thanks. I've got to get out of here. I've got to train. See if he'll do it later. Yeah. Yeah.

He goes and does all his recovery. That way it doesn't interfere with travel and all that shit. Yeah, I agree. But also, like, he shouldn't have to do that. He's not the guy who's going to give you a sound bite that's going to sell a fight. He sells the fight by training hard, beating people's

ass and he fights fires in his off time. Yeah, I mean being just a unique individual in that regard, right? He's the blue collar. Everyone can relate to Stipe. More people can relate to Stipe than they can say Francis or John Jones. Well, how many guys are world champions but still have a fucking day job, and that day job is being a firefighter? That's actually frowned upon, though, in the UFC.

Well, who else has done it? Chris Lytle did it. Shane Carwin. Shane Carwin. What was Shane doing? He was an engineer. He worked for the city of Greeley while fighting Brock Lesnar, and they begged him to quit, and he wouldn't do it.

Wow. They actually made him an offer to quit. I remember being in his car, and they made him an offer, and he was like, nope, can't. I have benefits, my kid's insurance, all quit and he wouldn't do it. Wow. They actually, I made him an offer to quit. I remember being in his car and they made him an offer. He was like, no, can't have benefits. My kid's insurance, all that. I can't do it. Wow. That's interesting, man.

Because if you think about it and I get from the UFC standpoint, I get it because imagine if Lionel Messi or Peyton Manning or Tom Brady had side gigs while they're this world champion. It's like, eesh, this is a bad look, man. So he can still be that good, but you have to have this job to meet the bills? That's not good. He worked for the state of Colorado or something, didn't he?

Shane? Yeah, he's a water engineer. The state of Greeley. Or the city? City of Greeley, sorry. Why can't they give him some fucking few years off? Wouldn't that be the move? You're saying Greeley? Yeah. Just give him some fucking few years off? You know, wouldn't that be the move? You're saying Greeley? Yeah. Just, like, give him a guarantee to come back?

Yeah, I don't know, man. I don't know. Yeah. It doesn't really work like that in the workforce. Like, they could probably fill his job with someone who's going to work full time. I know, but wouldn't they love to have a heavyweight champion? I don't think they'd give a fuck if you're like, no, Greeley. You know what I'm saying?

Like, was he going to sign some autographs during lunch? Yeah, probably right. I get both sides. I get Shane, especially at the time, Shane going, no, man, I got to look out for my family. I don't know how long I'm going to do this. I'm older. I have a family I got to protect.

I have benefits and 401K and all that. And then Dana going, dude, you're fighting Brock Lesnar. I can't have you having a job and still trying to be the world champion. It's a bad look. So I get both arguments. Right, but for Stipe, it's not a bad look because people, especially to this day, it's a great look in terms of marketing. Yeah, I love it.

Because people love first responders. They hide it, though. The UFC kind of hides it. You won't see it on Embedded, any of that stuff. They always want to hide it. Not really. Come on. It's not put out there.

Really? No, it makes the sport look bad. I don't think it does. He just doesn't want to quit. I don't think it does either. I'm saying want to quit. I don't think it does either. I'm saying this is from the UFC standpoint where they don't want a guy having a second job. But the thing about this fire department is you get a lot of downtime. People don't realize how much downtime those guys have.

Two weeks off, right? Well, even the way they do shifts. A lot of times they do 24-hour shifts. They sleep at the station. They work out there. I had a friend from the pool hall days, Ray the Fireman. And Ray the Fireman would explain. They all had weird names.

There was White Plains Charlie. There was Mount Vernon Tommy. Everybody had weird names. International Sal was the greatest name. Did you have one? No. I was Joe the Comedian. Again, not that creative, guys. It wasn't the creative, but they just talked. Was Frank the Fireman a firefighter? They just needed to talk. Roy. Or Ray. Was Ray the Fireman

a firefighter? Yeah, Ray the Fireman. He was a firefighter? Yeah, he was a firefighter? They just needed to talk. Roy or Ray. Was Ray the fireman or firefighter? Ray the firefighter. Yeah, he was a firefighter. Well, Jesus. He was the first guy to explain to me what a great gig it was because he would do these 24-hour shifts. He'd do a couple in a row, and then he'd be done for the week. And you'd stay there. Most of the time, you're bullshitting. Guys are cooking.

You work out if you like to. Guys play cards. Yeah, it's great, man. Yeah. I love firefighters. Yeah, so Ray was explaining to me me like that it's it's pretty good gig you know but obviously when the shit goes down and the fires burning then it's a fucking terrifying yeah yeah then it's I mean these guys die you look at steep

a danger like his most like pics a lot of it's his fighting a fire like there's a picture of him like he's like going work, and he's covered in ash. And he's just like, damn, that's a badass. That's Captain America, son. In a lot of ways, right? I mean, Joey Diaz has that fucking amazing description, that immigrant mentality. Yeah. But that is it, man.

I mean, that's him keeping that name, too. Stipe Miocic. Yeah. You know, that's not like someone changing their name to something that's more compatible with the modern society. I mean,

he looks like a- He's from Cleveland, but yeah, I hear you. Yeah, but look at him. Look at that. Fucking animal, dude.

Monster. Monster. Yeah. People don't appreciate him enough. It's unfortunate. When it's all said and done, he's going to be one of the most loved heavyweights of all time.

He'll be like a Jack Dempsey type character even after his career is over That's not hating on the you see that sports in general like right now LeBron You know the guys hate on him so much or Kevin Durant or Westbrook or even Tom Brady like these greats in the sport right? Now once they're gone like holy fuck remember how good that guy was Steve Bay's that guy like we're not appreciate it What happens when I appreciate in Verdum or Con or these guys. While it's happening, you're like, ah, fuck this guy, this guy.

You pick and choose your battles. Do you think that it's like, what is that? What's that picture? Boss Logic. Oh, Boss Logic made that? Is Boss Logic literally the best artist in the world? What's going on? Him and that Dose Bracket are fucking ridiculous.

I know. Let's explain what we're seeing. We're looking at Stipe's body with a UFC t-shirt on, like coming out of a fire with a fire mask on, fireman's mask on, holding his UFC belt, and holding a hose in one hand with a UFC glove on. It's so sick. Yeah, he's a killer artist, man.

It's just, for whatever reason, sometimes that happens where guys are overlooked That happens all the time While they're the king In sports Yeah You're gonna appreciate that guy After he's gone

I mean He's gonna be like Oh shit Remember how good he was man Look if he beats DC He's a shoo-in For the all-time great And right now

He's basically Right now he's basically You gotta think He's the all-time great At least in terms of accomplishments Let me ask you this If DC were to beat to think he's the all-time great, at least in terms of accomplishments. Let me ask you this. If DC were to beat Stipe, he's the all-time great. Where do you put DC?

He's right up there, man. Look, it's hard to do MMA math, especially when you've got that Jon Jones wild card. That's what's the bummer because if DC beats Stipe, who's regarded as the greatest UFC heavyweight champion of all time, DC was undefeated at heavyweight, but then he lost to John, but then he was champion at light heavyweight twice. You would have to prove that DC is better at heavyweight than he is at light heavyweight.

And that would be a hard sell. Especially without John being there. I'm talking about pound for pound. One of the all-time greats. Unquestionably. Top three. Look, if he goes up and wins, just in terms of statistics alone, he's light heavyweight champion, then he beats the heavyweight champion. The only argument against it would be both times he did it,

it was because John was stripped. It wasn't because he beat John. That's the problem. That's a real problem. I know. That's why you can't put him at number one. He's fucking amazing. You take away John Jones, and he's fucking amazing.

I mean, you take away John Jones. Look what he does to Rumble Johnson twice. Look what he you take away John Jones. Look what he does to Rumble Johnson twice. Look what he does to Gustafson. Look what he does to everybody. Gustafson fights a war. I know. That was a war. I think Gustafson is perhaps the most dangerous challenger at 205 right now.

I think Gustafson, especially if he recovers perfectly from his shoulder surgery, Gustafson, when I saw him fight Glover, I was like, this guy's on another level. Just something going on. Any given night, to me, I look at light heavyweight, there's 1A, 1B, and 1C. It's John at 1A, it's DC at 1B, and then you got Gustafson at 1C.

After that, it falls off like a motherfucker. But those three, any given night, could beat each other, I think. I think you're right. I think it's fascinating that Rumble is not up in there with them. If you saw the way Rumble destroyed some of those guys, including Gustafsson, the way Rumble just puts the fucking smash on people, like when he uppercutted Glover into another universe.

Dude, he's the scariest guy ever. And the fact that he just can't get that off on DC. He's not up there as far as the top three. But it's amazing because you'd be convinced he was. Did you hear Rumble's trying to do bodybuilding? Did you hear that? He's trying to do professional bodybuilding. That's hilarious.

I either heard on the Thomas show or something like that. Good luck with this test from now on out. Yeah, I mean, fighting's gone. Yeah, it's over. You're going full Bane. What he said after the fight was probably the best way to go go for him and i know he said some different things since then like he said he's thinking about coming back as a heavyweight yeah and he said like after what fight was it that he said let me show these guys how to throw an uppercut what fucking fight was it one fight he

was tweeting after the fight was over was it uh it wasn't francis over him right no it was a light heavyweight fight it was a light heavyweight fight. It was a light heavyweight fight. I don't remember what fight it was. Bulkums fight? Jesus Christ, it's giant. Oh, my God. Oh, we going Sizzla.

Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Four days ago. Who's ready to hit the gym? He ain't fighting anytime soon. No, no, no. Nowitzki's like, what? We don't need to ask you.

We're good. His fucking carnival bell's going to fly higher than mine. Yeah. Ding. Woo. He's going to be tossing those weights around. That's an interesting career move, though, bodybuilding. Well, I know he was going into the weed business, too.

What he said after the fight, I don't think you could ever negate that. What he said, that he doesn't really like the fight, he's just really good at it. Correct. I mean, boy, when a guy says that, that's just, he's just laying it all on the table. That's who he is. He doesn't want to do it anymore. Yeah, I remember he had that thing with the LA Rams.

I was like, damn, what's he going to do with the Rams? People were like, yeah, he's going to play for the Rams. And I went on this rant on my show how he's not playing for the Rams. And he DM'd me. He was like, bro, I'm not playing for the Rams, moron. He called me a moron. That's me saying that.

But he was like, dude, I'm not playing for the rams i was consulting for them with with some you know performance stuff as far as like working out he said clearly i'm not playing running back for the rams clearly yeah i got it now man big dude what is that what is he doing oh he's just flexing oh yeah oh okay here's your boy can't he's super... Does he? What does his shirt say? No, I'm saying he has that... Cam wears that weird top.

Cam, we told you to stop wearing those. Yeah, stop cutting your sleeves off, Cam. What was the picture above that? The one that you just had up there? Jack. Look how big his fucking back is. That's just him and his bros, man. Look at the size of his back.

Oh, we balking, baby. Dude, come on. That's ridiculous. That... I mean, he's gigantic. Bodybuilding's interesting. This is going to sound gay. You know I have the greatest back of all time in all of combat sports?

Of all combat sports? Hold on. Give me a weight class. Evander Holyfield. Oh, yes. And his traps. Dude. His traps.

You're talking about the top of his head? Oh, bro. They started at the top of his head. It's a fucking call, his head Come on son Most impressive fact ever Those two fucking peaches hanging up the top Find it when he fought Tyson Evander Holyfield when he fought Tyson

Just play a clip of that He finished 3rd or 2nd Olympia He's so jacked And just that caramel skin And just tits And he was one of the first guys that figured out how to incorporate. Look at that. Jesus Christ.

Jesus. Look at that back. He was one of the first guys that figured out how to correctly implement weightlifting training because of Mackie Shillstone. That's right. Everyone thought it would make you slower. Yeah, and he was one of the first guys that really pulled it off and moved up a weight class. He was the cruiserweight champion, has a hard time making 195.

He's like, fuck it, we're going up. And first couple of fights, I want to say he was like 205, maybe 209. And he never got much higher than like 211, 212. Yeah, what was the highest he got? I want to say like 220. Yeah, somewhere. Is that the bite after Tyson bit him? That was the saddest shit ever.

Holyfield overall had a better career than Tyson Oh for sure 226 So it probably got up to 226 Is that right now? That's not That's not his fighting weight By the way

That's when they used to test you With one of them Cracker Jacks rings They would just wave it around you And if it didn't If it didn't change colors Yeah I don't know if that motherfucker was It was on everything Everybody was on everything There There was no testing.

Get the fuck out of here with your testing. I think if Jon Jones was just back then. Oh my god. The Chuck Liddell days? Yeah, come on, son. The Vandalee Silver Pride days? Yeah, in the early days, the way the best guys would put it is

you never knew who was on anything because essentially it was an intelligence test, not a drug test. Correct. Because they're only testing you the day of the fight. Most of the guys have already cycled off. You keep all the benefits for a long period of time. And back then, you know, rudimentary tests.

They didn't have the same kind of tests they have now. Boom. Look at the fucking traps on Holyfield. Jesus, son. He makes Tyson look smooth. Oh, the right hand. Dude. Dude, he fucked Tyson makes Tyson look smooth. Oh, the right hand. Dude. Dude, he fucked Tyson up in this fight.

I mean, I remember watching this with Kevin James. We're in my house in Encino. Dude, he's beating the shit out of Tyson. How great of a time was that for boxing, bro? Did they stop the fight right there or was that the end of the round? That was the end of the round. Oh, dude, give me some volume up in that bitch. I want to hear this.

I remember Kevin and I were jumping up and down on the couch, screaming. We couldn't believe it. We couldn't believe it. Everybody thought, like, Tyson was the scariest guy ever and that the only guy that ever beat him was Buster Douglas. And Evander Holyfield was not the same size. He was a smaller guy. And Evander was coming after him for years.

He was trying to make it happen forever, if you remember. And remember, Evander had those crazy fights with Riddick Bowe, who was an enormous guy. Monster. Boom, look at this. Holyfield, son. To me, it's no disrespect to Tyson, but I have Lennox Lewis and Evander Holyfield ranked pound for pound over him.

Yeah, people forget Holyfield was a fucking Olympian, man. Correct. Didn't he win a gold medal? Yes. Boom! Oh, no, he he win a gold medal? Yes. Boom! Oh, no, he did. He did win a gold medal, yeah. What?

Did he win a gold medal? He got screwed in the Olympics. Look that up. He got screwed in the Olympics. Boom! Nobody got screwed like Roy Jones Jr. did. Nobody. Nobody.

When he fought that Korean dude in the Olympics, that was one of the worst robberies I've ever seen watching boxing. That Irish kid who's fighting... There he goes. ...got fucked. They just goes. I got fucked. They just pushed him back out there. I mean, how hurting is he? And Tyson charging forward.

Dude, you know I just did a podcast with Mike Tyson? You know I did a podcast with Mike Tyson? He has his own podcast called Bite the Mike. Oh, shit. How was it? Oh, boom. Goddamn, dude. Look at the body on Evander.

First team all bod. Well, Tyson just doesn't look physically the same as he did, like, just coming out of the pokey. Like, he just does not have the same build. That's it. Stop the fight. I'll tell you what, you want to fight that, you know, he was just as good.

Anthony Joshua Klitschko, man was jumping that was a crazy fight that was one of the best heavyweight fights ever ever ever for me i was so much fun man klitschko gets dropped it looks like he's out and he comes back and drops joshua and it looks like joshua's out and then joshua comes back and puts him away now you got you got anthony joshua fighting uh Now you got Anthony and Joshua fighting Parker, who's a New Zealand champ, who's a monster undefeated. And then you got Wilder fighting Luis Ortiz and then the winners fight and hopefully it's Wilder versus Joshua

Wimbledy 90,000 son. Ortiz is a tough fight for anybody, man. He's a tough fight. I think Wilder walks through him. You think so? Yeah, I do. You think Wilder walks through him? I do. I think he stops him. Wow. I know. Victor Ortiz? I know. The Cuban You think so? Yeah, I do. You think Wilder walks through them? I do. I think he stops them. Wow. I know.

Victor Ortiz? I know. The Cuban Olympian boxer? Yeah. Really? What makes you think that? I don't know. I'm just not that-

You're a Showtime fanboy. Don't lie. Well, they're both Showtime. Oh. They're both Showtime. Ortiz is older, and he did piss hot. He pissed hot. They're supposed to fight.

Which is hard to do. Hard to do in boxing. You've got to be trying. He pissed hot. I don't know fight. Which is hard to do. Hard to do in boxing. You've got to be trying. He pissed hot. I don't know. You look at his level of competition. Wilder's 38-0 with 37 knockouts. Did they maybe hit him with a surprise test?

The thing he tests hot for, he had a prescription. It was a little muddy, but he's tested hot before. It was a prescription for testosterone, wasn't it? Some weird shit. Deontay Wilder is the favorite. Minus 235 to Luis Ortiz, 185. Well, you know what, man? When you see odds like that, you've got to think maybe they know something.

And maybe Ortiz is, you know. Wilder's a motherfucker. We don't know his real age, you know, that Cuban age. He might be 55 for all we know. Oh, that's right. But also Wilder's a, I'm telling you, man, he's a motherfucker. He's athletic. He's long.

He's got all this confidence. He's athletic. He's long. Now he's all this confidence. He's the only guy that not to get knocked out. Stiverne, he walked through in the first round, put his hands down. Yeah, I saw that. That was crazy. That was crazy, man. That was crazy. You got Anthony Joshua, who's just the biggest thing right now.

He's fighting Parker. It's not a walk in the park either. There's people like, oh, here it is. There's a Stiverne fight. Stiverne's never been knocked out, by the way. Show that again. Missed it. I want to see this.

Boom! His right hand is something special, man. He fights long, too. He does fight long. He hits hard, but I just think, like, Anthony Joshua is not this guy. No, no, no, no. I mean, he's just not.

No. Stiverne's a good fighter. He's a tough guy, but Anthony Joshua is a totally different level. He's an Olympic gold medaliverne's a good fighter. He's a tough guy. But Anthony Joshua is a totally different level. He's an Olympic gold medalist in the heavyweight division. He's a fucking super stud athlete. This guy's out of it. Wilder puts on a show and beats the shit out of him.

That's all good. It was a great win for him. Did you see Joshua's last fight though? He took it on short notice because the guy didn't make the weight. I didn't watch. He didn't look great. Really? It was last second.

He fought this guy not up to his level, and it went to a decision. Oh, really? Yeah, it wasn't a great fight. I have that one on my DVR, and I never got around to it. Don't get around to it. Don't get around to it? No, it's a waste of time. No, it's like Joshua took the night off for the 90,000 people.

Do you think that he did that because he wasn't prepared? Because he took it on short notice? No, I think he was just like, I could beat this guy in my sleep. I don't want to risk a lot. Oh, so he didn't try hard? Yeah. Oh, wow. Interesting.

He didn't push the gas on. Wilder really doesn't have off nights. He's trying to smoke everyone. His 37 knockouts, for God's sakes. Interesting. Interesting. Interesting fight. Well, we know that Wilder can hit hard,

and we know that Joshua can get tagged and dropped and recover. It's such a fun fight for heavyweight. I just want both of them to— Klitschko is just so much more technical and classic in his movements. Oh, Klitschko looked great, man. Especially not Anthony Joshua. He's moving like a motherfucker. He looked great.

I always wanted to see Klitschko versus Wilder. I thought that would be a really interesting fight. I know, but he retired. Yeah. Well, good for him. He fought for a long-ass time. dude, one of the greats.

But Wilder versus Joshua, if both of them win, you get that fight. Oh, son. Damn. Heavyweight boxing's good right now. And then don't forget Tyson Fury's like,

let's do it. I'm ready. I'm all good. I'm not mentally unstable anymore. Let's do this. How'd that happen? How'd he clean it up? He got,

I don't know, he got his life together, started working out, got sanctioned to fight again. And he even told Anthony Joshua, he's like, I don't need a warm-up. I'll beat you right now. And I got guys who train in his gym and goes, started working out, got sanctioned to fight again. And he even told Anthony Joshua, he's like, I don't need a warm-up. I'll beat you right now. And I got guys who train in his

gym and goes, he came in, whatever, he's like 400 pounds, just beating the shit out of everyone. Swapped in, just beating the fuck out of everybody. Freak, man. I'm such a big Tyson Fury fan, man. Did you see the video of him hitting mitts recently? No, I haven't. Dude, he's really fast. He's a freak, man.

Like, really fast. He's a freak. Like, he throws a right hand, like, look haven't. Dude, he's really fast. He's a freak, man. Like, really fast. He's a freak. Like, he throws a right hand. Like, look at this. This is not the video that I saw, though. The video that I saw, but this is good, too. The video that I saw was him throwing a jab at a right hand and then ducking up and around behind a guy,

or under and around behind a guy like that. The little sidestep duck that he does. He's like 6'8", bro. Yeah, he's a huge man. And his angles are so awkward. Klitschko didn't know what to do with him. Klitschko was super confused. He makes it an ugly fight. I think for him, I think you know, Joshua, it's a nightmare for Wilder. He's a nightmare just because you can't duplicate it. He's a little fat right here. I mean, he's definitely gotta keep dropping weight. But how long ago was that one?

Look at that. November. In a fucking head movement, how long ago was that one? November. 2007, November. And that fucking head movement, son. He's a fucking skilled boxer. The problem with a guy like him is he starts singing songs after fights

and all the crazy shit that he does and you just think he's a loon. Yeah. But you gotta He's a gypsy. You gotta realize

like he's super skillful. Like what he can do is very skillful. I mean Klitschko didn't know what the fuck to do in that fight. No, Klitschko didn't know what the fuck to do in that fight. No, Klitschko was like, what, was hesitating because you don't want to throw your right hand because he's doing these awkward angles.

He's getting popped, too. He's getting popped, and he realized, like, this guy might fuck me up. That's why he's a nightmare for Joshua N. Wilder. He's my dark horse because you don't know how to fight him, man. Dark horse. If he gets his shit together, he gets some problems. Okay, but why did he have, like, psychological problems? What happened?

I just think, you know, he's mentally unstable a little bit and he goes into this depression and he was world champion then when he got there you didn't know what to do he thought it was gonna cure all he never even defended the title I just gave it up I know that's crazy happy and what's that no this is pretty quick too it's him there's a guy holding pads for him and he's just doesn't matter I mean you get we're getting the sense of it. Yeah, he's a freak. He's just a really good fighter.

Yeah, man, I'm excited about that. I'm excited about a lot of shit, man. A lot of shit's going on. You got Canelo, Triple G coming back. That's very exciting. That's Cinco de Mayo.

They had to do that Cinco de Mayo. How do you not do that with Cinco de Mayo? You gotta do it. I mean, that's just a no-brainer. You could have bet the house

on that fight being Cinco de Mayo. Vegas had the odds. Oh, my God. Would it be the Saturday being Cinco de Mayo. Vegas had the odds. Would it be the Saturday of Cinco de Mayo weekend? Oh, yes. It's actually on Saturday, too, this year. Oh, good googly.

It's a good time to be a fight fan, son. In boxing and fight, in MMA. And that's a fight where Canelo has a lot to prove. A lot of people thought he lost the fight. Including me. Got that shady draw. Dude, I thought it was pretty clear. Me too. I thought it was pretty clear. I told you it was going to happen.

You did. You said it straight up before anything happened. You said, dude, he is going to have to knock him out to win a decision. Shadiness, son. Canelo in Vegas. I was like, you think? You're like, yes. Dude, how about, you know you got Roy versus Matt Mitrione this weekend.

This weekend. Right? Friday night, right? Is it Friday or Saturday? I think it's Saturday, right? Pretty sure they, yeah, Saturday. And then Cowboys fight This weekend, right? Friday night, right? Is it Friday or Saturday? I think it's Saturday, right? Pretty sure they're, yeah, Saturday. And then Cowboys fight on Sunday, right? Yes, it's a good-ass weekend.

Then you also got Mikey Garcia fighting for Showtime. Ooh. Who's he fighting? Rios. I'm actually going out there to shoot some stuff for Showtime. Friday night. Friday night. Bellator Friday night.

Sick. Hopefully I'm home in time. When you say Rios, Brandon Rios? Yeah. Really? Yeah, it's a good fight. I mean, it's not you know. Brandon Rios is a tough dude. I'll watch it though. Hell yeah, he is. That's an interesting fight.

Wow. That's a good boxing match. Rios versus Mike Alvarado. Yes. You know those fights? Yes. Mike Alvarado's from Denver. Yeah, Mike Alvarado is another blood and guts type character. Wildcat. Yeah. Denver cat. Yeah.

Denver legend. You know, I'm really glad that all this bullshit has died down with boxing versus MMA. Like, there's no, like you can like both of them now. You can. I deal with it all the time because of what I'm doing. And this isn't a weird segue. Do you deal with it? I deal with it all the time. Especially, I can't officially announce it.

There's an announcement coming out probably next Friday. Yeah, I got a teaser. It's a teaser, folks there's an announcement coming out probably next Friday. It's a teaser, folks. I got my own show on Showtime. But it does just that. It's boxing. It's fighting. It's UFC, Bellator, Showtime, HBO.

There's no agenda. It's just a variety, fun show for fight fans, entertainment fans. That's fucking awesome, man. Yeah, man. I'm excited. That's awesome. But you do see that, though? Boxers who don't like MMA, MMA doesn't like boxing. Yeah, that's why I gave me the idea for the show

when I pitched the show, because when I was covering the Conor McGregor stuff, I'd have these boxing heads come in, and I'm like, what are you talking about, man? Why can't I, get out of here. Stay in the cage, MMA, this is the sweet science. I'm like, well, I like both, though, man. I was a Golden Globes boxer.

I like boxing, too. Why does it matter? That's like saying I can't watch the NFL and watch the NBA. What the fuck are you talking about? I like both. They get tribal. Everybody gets weird. Like, this is team boxing.

We're team MMA. It's very strange, man. It's stupid, man. There was a thing like that with wrestlers and jiu-jitsu people for a long time. Yeah, for a long time. A man, when Ensign Inouye armbarred Royce Alger in the UFC and got him and they ran backstage, Egan Inouye yells

out, fuck wrestling! It's like, how weird is that? It was fun, because there was, look, there's a lot of shit talking going on between all the camps, and Royce Alger, who was a top of the food chain American wrestler, they thought he was just going to run in and storm the fucking UFC and start smashing people.

And they even said in that fight, he said it's time to bring in the A-team. That's what he said. And it was like a little pre-fight thing. And Ensign Inouye was like, yeah. You guys know about arm bars? Because I fucking sure do. And Ensign caught him in an arm bar. Quick.

See if you can find that. Ensign Inouye versus Royce Alger. It's Hoyce, but with an R because he's an American cat. And then he lost to what was that dude? The Wolf? That dude that called himself the Wolf? Jackson? God damn it. Great

name, though. The Wolf Jackson? Those tribes are so weird, though, man. Us versus them. It's very strange. Yeah, it's stupid. You don't have to pick one you know you know you can dvr the boxing fight and watch the ufc fight like yeah you watch all of it they're completely different they are completely different and there's some things you can do in boxing that you just cannot do in mma you can't get away there it is ensign anyway royce alger

god damn man i hope they have hats on they had the old fucking, the guy that looked like Boss Rootin' on the floor. God. Like, the whole deal, dude. And these are the early days. So this was in 1997. That's in Denver. And I was there. Is that at a-

I don't know if it was in Denver, man. That's Denver, brother. Are you sure? That's 1997. Are you sure? I bet you it is. I don't know if I went to a UFC in Denver. That's Denver.

Are you sure? Okay. I feel like it. It might have been. Type in UFC 13, Jamie. It was the second UFC that I worked. The first one that I worked was in Dothan, Alabama. And you don't remember where this one was?

I do not remember where that one was. I don't know why I think it's Denver. But a lot of them went south. Augusta, Georgia. Augusta. There you go. Boom. So this one is, fuck, man, 97.

Yeah. And so Royce Alger takes him down immediately and uh Ensign went on to submit a lot of guys including he submitted Randy fucking Couture so stop but think of this this is a fight at shit I don't know what weight they're fighting at it says 200 pounds um but Ensign went on to at Bruce The handsome bastard 97 So you hear this Listen to this

Wow Even then he had beautiful salt and pepper hair Look at those traps son Ensign was jacked Jacked Omiya Japan 30 How jacked he was

Damn He was Shout out 30 He was 30 then Is that what it says Yeah He was already Really experienced He's also real experienced

And Had a fucking savage mindset Look how jacked Ensign is Jesus Just skip ahead To the actual fight itself How much better is Bruce Buff He was even good back then But how much better is he now Well now he just gets Fucking psyched Just skip ahead To the actual fight itself He was even good back then

But how much better is he now? Back it up a little bit He gets fucking psychotic Oh my god, look at this Are you ready? Let's get it on John McCarthy looking slim Look at this, Ensign moving forward Roy Saldra shoots immediately

Ensign goes to take his back Look at the guillotine attempt here. Crucifix attempt here. Look at this. Switches it over. Inverted? No, he goes for the other arm. Watch this. Here it is. Oh, this poor guy has no idea. Yep. He just didn't know what to do. Oh, he slipped out of that

one. And he's got wrist, uh, just wrist tape on. He doesn't have anything that covers his knuckles. Ensign doesn't. But Algert does. So it's smart for Ensign like if he was going to get a choke or something like that.

These are the days you didn't have to have anything. Royce is wearing shoes. Look, he's got some fucking wrestling shoes on. Remember guys are scared of wrestling shoes because of heel hooks.

Heel hooks. You get a grip on the heel. Yeah, that was a big deal, right? Like if you were going to fight in Pride, boy, you got to be real careful of those fucking heel hooks, especially if you're fighting someone like Josh Barnett. Correct. Depending on who you're fighting. If you're fighting for doom and pride, you're going to be in some trouble.

Here it is. He catches him from here. Here it comes. Setting it up. And you see he's punching with bare knuckle to the eyes and the face It's a totally different feel right. It's a different experience completely different. I'm a fucking giant proponent for bare knuckle I really think this should go to bare knuckle. You just can't why not pass that now We're past that but you're not because the fingers are all loose look you saw this fight this weekend with the eye gouges

Yep, let's talk about that look at this There it goes, baby. Yep. Let's talk about that. Look at this. Woo, woo, woo, woo. There it goes, baby. Oh, that's the extension. He just has no idea how to get out of it either. This is right here. This is fucksville. That's fucksville.

Tap, tap, tap. Super fucksville. That's a fucked up arm. Look at his arm. It's probably broken. Probably broken. Yeah. That's intense shit. How jacked is that, dude?

Jacked. Why not? He's armbarred and Randy fucking Couture. Back in the day. Yeah, remember when he threw these nasty leg kicks from the butt scoot position? It's the first time I ever saw somebody throw real good leg kicks from the butt scoot position. Did you ever see that fight? Because Randy was standing over him?

Yeah, but dude, he would skip forward on his hand and slam that leg. Like real power in the leg kicks. Like dangerous leg kicks, but not thrusts. Like round kicks. Actual kicks. Yeah.

He would like butt scoot forward and roundhouse kick him in the legs. And it's like, whoa. This is dangerous. What was your take on that Matthews-Ling Jing fight? Look, dude. That's me. Look at my cute little face. Cute little face.

Those fucking eye gouges are bullshit, man. They are. My only thing with that, and I'm not condoning it, it's cheap, but it's like, I don't know if you knew what he was poking, but when the oxygen to your brain is getting cut off, it's like a free-for-all. You can't let a guy get away with that. He'll do it again. That's the ref.

Yeah. But as a fighter, it's like, dude, I need to live a fight another day. That's true, but you don't do that way. You tap. That's what tapping's all about. It's straight up cheating. For sure. It's not just shady.

It's fucking cheating, and they should take points away from him. He should be sanctioned. They should tell him, if this ever happens again, if we ever think that you're going to do this again, we're going to kick you out of the league. They didn't even give him really a warning. We're going to kick you out of the league. They didn't even give him really a warning. We're going to kick you out of the UFC. You can't do that.

They did nothing. You can't gouge someone's eyes when they're choking you. They did nothing. Well, maybe it happened quicker than I thought. Maybe if I watched it again. Fuck sakes, man. I mean, it felt like the eyes were in there. Let's watch it real quick because it felt to me like the fingers were in there

for long enough for him to know the fingers were in there. Did you hear Jake Matthews about it? He's like, I get it, man. It's fight fight or flight and you're just trying to do anything you can not to tap and he did his thing he was like you know i get it i think most fighters can understand how it happens right i had a coach lisa bone go dude you get kind of submission you're not guilty you take your finger roam it right up in his asshole like rip however you can he goes because they might take a point away but you live to fight another round. You're not going to get tapped out. Asshole poking.

Yeah. Check that oil, son. Instead of tapping out. Knuckle deep. You know, I tell you who impressed me the most this weekend? Stylebender. Yeah. Ooh, dude.

That was some next level shit. There were some great fights, man. Stylebender put on a show, man. I've been telling people about him for a long time, man. There was a lot of guys who gave a fight of the night, too. I thought, obviously, you all looked great. Matthews looked fucking unbelievable. Pedro looked amazing.

Yeah, there were some amazing fights. It was very good. The whole night. Stylebender's a fucking handful for everybody. Everybody. Everybody. There's a lot of dudes practicing their double legs now. Dude, you know who's kind of dropped the ball?

You know who's kind of dropped the ball? Again, I'm on this English bandwagon right now on the train. It's Darren Till. The hype for him. They haven't set him up, man. He's waiting. There's all this hype. I know.

And now it's like the public's like, all right. Dude, let me tell you something. He's going to be even better. When they see him again, he's going to be better. He's going to be better, but we have short memories. The public has short memories. They'll remember. You've got to book right, dude. Let me tell you something. He's gonna be even better. They see him again He's gonna be better, but we have short memories the public has short man. Don't remember book a man. Don't remember the problem is fight Nobody wants that get our Nelson does does he yeah, they're gonna do that's the fight They booked it right when is that for now? They want to because I thought they're trying to do it in London But for whatever reason didn't happen. Oh, maybe somebody got injured. They announced the London card without a headline you could have Darren Till headline that I don't know why that's not happening

Well, he can't headline after one fight. I could headline in Liverpool. You talking about a fight night fight in Liverpool Okay, he's from yeah. Yeah. Yeah, okay He's a big fight night, but I mean, I mean, I think the dude should be pay-per-view They should make that motherfucker star for sure put the dude should be pay-per-view. They should make that motherfucker star for sure Put him on a big pay-per-view card on Fox put on Fox. Yeah, Jeremy Stevens versus Emmett do Jeremy Stevens God damn. I'm enjoying watching Jeremy Stevens me too But if you have Stevens or Sam it as a headliner you can fucking put Darren Till as a headliner Here it is. Boom. I think it's in here. I couldn't find a video. Okay, you hit him with the right hand

You heard that was a great fight man This is a takedown Here it is Well just count So three I mean that Oh my god Five

Oh my god Six Seven It's in slow motion But he is just digging in that dude's eyes Yeah there's no question I know you gotta do something about it They dropped the ball on that

That's not Goddard Whoever it is The referee fucked up That ref has some tits But here's the thing We have the video of it. The UFC should do something. Someone should do something in the Athletic Commission.

Someone should do something even maybe in Nevada. You got to look at that and go, hey, man, you can't ever do this again. And we have to fine you, and we have to say if you ever do this again. You should be suspended. And if you ever do this again, you're out. You can't gouge someone's eyes. They lose their fucking vision. One thing an accidental guy.

We can't have any leniency whatsoever towards intentional eye gouging. Zero. What about John Jones in striking? I don't know if it's intentional. I mean, look, he's definitely putting his hand out. If you're poking dudes in the fucking eyes, though. You're right. Look, I'm a one-point proponent.

I think every time an eye poke happens, whether it's intentional or not, take away a point. Groin, too. I think it's a good move. I think every time it happens, we don't's intentional or not take away a point growing to I think it's a good move I think every time that happens we don't go hey watch the growing case because I change the dynamics of that fight every time you're being Kicked in the nuts you seek your stomach not trying to fight look at his eyes There's there's literally no warnings if you do it there's a point Whether it's intentional or not you should begin at the point taken away. I gouges like that, I think is grounds for disqualification. I just don't think you can allow any room for that. Guys are going to get fucking blinded.

Guys are going to get blinded. I mean, it could happen. And if someone, if some most guys are completely ethical and they would never think of doing this, but if a guy wanted to, you start poking people in the eye on purpose. I mean, Roberto Duran did that with Davey Moore. He thumbed him. Blah! Right in the eye.

I'm not saying he did it on purpose. Remember Travis Brown and Matt Mitrione? Travis is winning that round. Winning the fight. And he gets poked in the eye and he can't see. It's a different dynamic. He loses the fight. It's happened in many, many fights.

Thank God Matthews won. But I think there should be no tolerance if it happens. I agree. Even if you didn't mean to, we take a point. 100%. Kick to the nuts, we take a point. 100%. I think kicking to the nuts, first of all, we should really make sure that the guys are

wearing either a tie steel cup or some, well, tie steel cup is like, that probably shouldn't be allowed to wear. Yeah. Because then that's worse than like kicking a bone. With arm bars and shit's going to be trouble, though. It's a problem with arm bars, right? As a fulcrum. Yeah.

It gives you extra leverage. Yes. But I don't think they stop people from wearing it. No. Like Kenny Florian, that's what he used to wear. That's old school, but yeah. But that, look, dude, if you can catch someone, you know... If Damian Maia puts on a steel cup,

you're in trouble. Fuck yeah, man. No shit, right? But those things break sometimes, those cords. Oh, Michael Bisping, remember? Who was he fighting when his fucking cup broke? Was that Anderson? Was it GSP? Or was it Anderson? Oh, GSP. Good call. GSP.

He had to stuff it in his underwear and it was bouncing around in his cock and balls. Just free dick up. That's not what you want. No, you don't need that look. No, you don't want that in your life. That steel cup just loosely banging around against your balls, hoping. Thank goodness Jake won that fight. There's no controversy.

Which fight? With the eye pokes. Jake Matthews. You know what I'm saying? If he didn't win that fight, then he got a problem. I was thinking of Jake Shields when he fought Husamar Paul Harris. Remember that? Yeah.

That was horrible. Horrible incident of eye poking. There should be no – there's no warnings. No tolerance. No tolerance. I think if you tell John, listen, you touch his eyes, man, we're taking points, he's going to close his hands. So he's going to be way more cautious.

Right. If you've got a free ride to just keep your hand out like that and push guys off by getting your fingers deep in their eyeballs, which many guys have done inadvertently. But if you know for a fact, if you do that, you're going to take a point away, you're going to close your fist up 100% of the time. But also, if it happens more than once, you've got a problem. I'm not saying you do it on purpose, but your style is a problem. For Jin Ling, I get why he was like, what? fight, fight, and he's trying to get out of it.

I get that. Right. The heat of the moment, and I'm giving him that, but you should still take a point away. Right. There should be zero tolerance. 100%. 100%. Why is that so hard to figure out?

When you're doing that, you know you're cheating. When you're doing that, trying to get out, you're supposed to tap. You either tap or you don't tap. But if he got out of that headlock or that guillotine, but if he got out of it because the eye poke, if the eye poke kept him somehow or another from hanging on longer, that's fucked up and it's cheating. It's fucked up.

It's cheating. Dude, put on Stylebender's fight. See if you can find Stylebender. Stylebender, man. Don't you think with the UFC, and I know it's sanctioned by state to state, and with like Yves Levine and Mario Yamasaki, where Dana's like, we don't want him reffing ever again, and they don't have a lot of that power. I almost feel like the UFC needs to start maybe get away.

It's going to be a fucking nightmare, so this is a long path to go down. But dealing with these commissions, they almost have too much power. You know what I'm saying? Well, in some ways, I could see that. But in other ways, I could see how you wouldn't want to give the power to the organization. You have to give it to the sanctioning bodies that are in the states. But they all have to catch up. Look, it's a fairly recent thing.

If you think about the amount of decades they've been doing baseball and football, I mean, MMA. We're using the boxing commissions. That's the thing. Right. And a lot of these commissions are not that experienced with MMA. We saw that with New York when we first started doing it in New York. Good God, did we ever. Right.

I mean, this was, they just legalized it and then they brought it in. There's a lot of guys that were local. They just didn't really, they weren't that good at it. They fucked up. It took a while. I almost feel like if the UFC had, you know, the performance center, if they had a judging center, referee center, and they kind of built their own, then sent them out to the commissions. That's a good idea. That's a smart idea. But the problem is, the question would be, and they kind of built their own and then sent them out to the commissions. That's a good idea.

That's a smart idea. But the problem is the question would be are they independent? You have to be independent, right? So like Dana White has got to be able to publicly shit on you, but you've got to be able to keep that from getting you fired. They're still independent. I'm just saying the UFC because judging is such a big factor in our sport. Well, judging is different than refereeing, right?

Completely. But that's an even bigger problem, perhaps. Because at least the referees seem to have more training and know what they're doing. There's some judging that you just go what in the fuck? Horrible. I'm saying reffing and judging because it really impacts

the sport. If UFC said, alright, we're going to put a little money into this. We're going to train you guys on the sport and then put you out to the commissions where your own body sank. Sanctioned body. Here's Stylebender versus Wilkinson. You know he fought 20 times in a year? You know that? 20 times in a year. In Japan or some shit.

He's so slick. He does a lot of- You remind me of Michael Benepage a little bit. Interesting. No, I don't think so, man. No, no, I'm saying as far as his style and his demeanor. Not as far as the weirdness. He's much more classic than Page.

Page is like a wild, more of a karate sport point fighter who has ridiculous power. But with Israel, it's just vicious, technical striking. I like his movement. He chops at you. He knows what you're doing before you're doing it. And he's doing a lot of feints, man. See that? See that?

Do you see that? You see that fake with the right leg and then the jab pops? One, two. Dude, that's some high-level shit. But look how he goes from southpaw to orthodox. Oh, yeah. Back and forth constantly. He reminds me.

And, again, he's not as loosey and dynamic as Michael Venn and Page, but his movement and a lot of the angles that he's using remind me of Michael Page. But he has better wrestling, better grappling, better takedown defense. Well, the big thing is his striking is pure Muay Thai. Correct. Like when you're watching the way he's moving. Kind of. He uses some Muay Thai.

Right. He'll use some karate stance. He's very fluid. Look at that. But look at that fucking knee. Dude, this is some high-level shit. And this guy just wants to take him down, too, and he's a nightmare to deal with. He threw this fucking fake kick and then popped the jab in with zero—

there's no windup. There's no telegraphing at all. Everything's firing in straight and clean. And if he can keep these guys off him in terms of his takedown defense, he's a dangerous guy. His takedown defense looks pretty damn good to me. What did he weigh in at? He's a perfect middleweight because he's not cutting a ton of weight.

Did he weigh 186 or did he weigh 185? Did he take advantage of that extra pound? That's where things get interesting. That's not a crazy cut for him, though. Well,. It's not a crazy cut for him, though. Well, if it's not a crazy cut for him, God damn, dude. I mean, this fucking guy. Look at this takedown defense, though.

It's pretty impressive. It's fucking legit. But he's fighting a guy he has already fucked up. But that guy in the first round was trying the exact same shit, though. Right. He could not keep him down.

That's true. You know what I'm saying? How loose he is? Yep. Look at that knee, dude. He's a monster. It's just the combinations. What he's doing is just's just the combinations what he what

he's doing is just taking this guy apart it's he's faking he's moving and it's all super technical like there look at this man come on this is like you the guy moves towards him and he backs up perfectly and then punishes him more and i i like that he's he's a seasoned vet when you look at his record what they're trying to do to him in japan these horrible matchups come that he's a seasoned vet when you look at his record and what they're trying to do to him in Japan these horrible matchups he's going to be a problem a big problem and they go who do you want to fight

he goes I don't care man I'll beat all these guys whoever wants to come get it let me know I've been talking to him for years man when he first started fighting in China I started talking to him on Instagram when are you thinking about coming to the UFC I'm in no rush I'll come in him on Instagram. I'm like, when are you thinking about coming into the UFC? And he's like, I'm in no rush. I'll come in when I'm ready.

He's fucking ready. Yeah. I met him at a UFC maybe three years ago, maybe four. This guy is being up. I mean, God damn. This is just punishment. The referee should stop this. There's so many good fights for him at middleweight too, man.

Just stop. You look at middleweight, stop the fucking fight. Yeah, that's enough. He's trying, man. I know, but still. The dude do is try but he's getting fucked up Like that heavyweight that heavyweight fight first of all the guy who's fighting had the biggest head I've ever seen he just would not leave Do they just stop this you look like a bad guy from true lies. He would not go away. Yes That's collapsed. Yeah, I mean look he goes and whatever he's like, yeah, and he gave himself I think a c-minus

Yeah, that performance c-minus. Well because he's that good. That's no joke yeah, and he gave himself, I think a C minus. Yeah. That performance C minus. Well, because he's that good. That's no joke, man. When you bring up his record, he wants everybody to see. He's a nightmare, man. He just got knocked out

like last year in a kickboxing match in Brazil. He was talking about it like real openly online about, well, that's interesting. It's the first time

I've ever been knocked out. You know, it's interesting. The way he talked about it, the way he handled it, I was like, wow, this guy's got a very healthy outlook.

Did you hear Gatesy talking about getting knocked out? He loves it. Yeah, he said it was the greatest thing that ever happened to him. Jesus Christ. So 12-0 in MMA. New Zealand, son. Powerful New Zealand on the map. 12-0 in MMA.

And if you bring up his kickboxing record, I want to find out who the dude was that beat him. Some, I don't even know in what organization it was. I want to say it was some organization that I don't know of. Look at all these fights, though, bro. The last two losses. Kickboxing. Kickboxing. Make that larger and see what the Brazilian guy's name is.

Is it Ingloury? Alex Pereira. Oh, it's Ingloury. Dude, Alex Pereira is a fucking beast. But I think that was a decision. KO. KO. Okay, that's the fight. Yeah, that was a decision. KO. KO. Okay, that's the fight.

Yeah, that's the fight. And Glory of Heroes 7, was that in Brazil? Click on that. Yes. Yeah, okay. That was the fight that he talked about on Instagram. Well, listen, Alex Pereira is a fucking killer. He's murking people.

He beat him twice, right? He's beat him twice. How did he beat him in that fight? Decision, right? Yeah. So he beat him people. Yeah, he's beat him twice. He's beat him twice. How did he beat him in that fight? Decision, right? Yeah. So he beat him by decision, then he KO'd him. That just shows you how good Alex Pereira is. Look, there's a few guys that are over there that if they just learn how to fucking stuff

takedowns, Giorgio Petrosian might be fucking everybody up. He'd be a nightmare. Nobody wants any of that shit. If that guy figured out how to stuff takedowns... This kid's takedown and grappling looked impressive, man. Yes. It does, and he's gonna get better. I mean, he's young. I think Israel's only 25. How old is he? 28.

He's young enough. He's young enough where he has a base for grappling and takedown defense. Where he's gonna give... He's like a middleweight division, man. Yeah. He's a motherfucker to fight. He's very dangerous on his feet. And he's not gonna take any stupid chances. I keep going back. I gotta see that motherfucker fight. Well's very dangerous on his feet. And he's not going to take any stupid chances. I keep going back.

I've got to see that motherfucker fight. Well, we could easily see Till and him. Easily. Good. Okay, Till easily could be moving up to 185. He is a huge 70. Giant. And with these new impositions on weight classes,

you know, where they're trying to encourage people to fight in a heavier weight class. I dig it. In California, you have to do it. Yeah, California. No, it's still a suggestion, apparently. Are you sure? Yep, yep. Is that what Askin said or some shit? No, you have to do it. Yeah, California. No, it's still a suggestion, apparently. Are you sure? Yep, yep.

Is that what Ashton said or some shit? No, Novitsky. Oh, Novitsky. Novitsky said it's still just a suggestion. I saw Novitsky in Boston. Can I tell you this? No. I was walking to my seat, and he goes, I'm walking by, and he goes, come on, Sean. I'm like, oh, shit, cold stitch.

And he started laughing. I went, dude. And I finally got to tell him, I love Novitsky, by the way. I love you, Jeff. And I go, dude, I wasn't trying to be him I love Novitski, by the way. I love you, Jeff. And I go, dude, I'm not I wasn't trying to be diminishing anything. I respect the shit out of you. He goes, it's all good, man. It's funny. I love Novitski

too, but I also love Lance Armstrong. I have a real conflict. I love Lance Armstrong. Lance Armstrong is not getting happy when Novitski comes on the podcast. Oh, really? He does not get happy. He does not enjoy it. But the fucking guy went after him in a sport where everybody was dirty. Yeah, that's tough.

I mean, come on. It's tough. I'm Switzerland on this. I love both guys. I fucking think it is goddamn hilarious that they say that Lance Armstrong didn't win those Tour de France. They take his name off of it. When the guy on the list who didn't test positive for steroids, if you go back to a guy who

never got popped, you got to go to 18th place. 18th spot. So that means everyone he's racing with is geared up too. Who gives a flying fuck? He goes, our psychopath beats your psychopath. Correct, Bill. Correct, Bill. Yeah. I mean, that's what happened. He was the best. That's the sport, though. Exactly.

Who cares? Well, they care. Have you been watching any of this Olympics? No. God, I'm balls deep in it, man. I haven't even touched it. I'll watch it at night, might smoke a little weed, and I'm just so memorized by a lot of it, man. Icarus got me, dude. I watched that documentary. I'm like, this is just some crazy shit these people are doing. And I started thinking about it.

And the thing that really made me start thinking about it was, why the fuck are they not paying these athletes? This show is gigantic. It's worth billions of dollars. Where's that money going? Why are those people getting paid and the fucking athletes are not getting paid? And I know it costs a shit ton of money to put on those shows.

I know it does. Absolutely. Not as much as the sponsorship money. Not as much as it brings in. Ford, Coke. There's no way. Oh, come on. These organizations are raking in millions and millions of dollars.

The athletes aren't getting a penny of it. The two most corrupted things in America or all around the world, the Olympic sports and college football. Dude, college football. I was going to say that. And college basketball. I was part of it, man. Oh, it's so fucked up. College basketball and college football. It's so dirty. College football, especially because they're taking damage. Oh, dude, it's so fucked up. It's essentially a combat sport in a lot of ways, right? I mean, you're running at each other. You're trying to do war. You're trying to get your fucking football across the line. They're trying to stop you.

You got a team of aggressors going after their team. You're clashing into each other at full power. And in college football, you're fighting 12 to 14 times a year. Yeah, and you can't hit each other in terms of punches and kicks, but you're running at each other full blast, wearing helmets and shoulder pads. You can hit each other harder because you're doing your whole

body, using your body like a spear. Dude, Jamie showed me a highlight reel of dudes getting KO'd in football, done in reverse. Oh, it's horrible. It's the reverse thing I'm not a big fan of. I'd rather watch it. My brain has a hard time. My stupid brain has a hard time processing it.

I don't see how. When I watch it in full speed or in slow motion, you see how the impact. You see the helmets fly off. It's horrible. See the dudes laying on the ground with their eyes rolled back in their head. It's a different level of KO, too. It's a running KO. There's level to this game.

In the Super Bowl, homeboy got knocked the fuck out in the Super Bowl. It's vicious, man. It's crazy. What's weird, I'd let my son play football and not let him fight. That is weird. It's crazy. Well, it's weird. I'd let my son play football and not let him fight. That is weird. It's weird, right? Because football,

you know, he could get to get into Stanford, get an education fighting. It's, it's, there's no benefits. That's true. But God damn dude.

And you're sure as fuck not coming out of, you know, you don't hear and fighting this corner out of the Palisades. You know what I'm saying? It's just not, it's not working. That's true. But he could be a great jiu-jitsu fighter. If he hates money, yes, he could do jiu-jitsu and dedicate his life to that.

Why don't you just dedicate yourself to coming up with a jiu-jitsu league that's profitable? I guess I could take some time and do that. If jiu-jitsu gets more and more popular, how much... It would already hit, Joe. What does... I don't necessarily know if it's done. It would have caught on by now. Really? Yeah, I think so. I think it's more popular than ever. What does, I don't necessarily know if it's done. It would have cut on by now. Really?

Yeah, I think so. I think it's more popular than ever. What I want to know is. I think it's more popular. I also think it might be, I don't think it's ever going to be like a mainstream, like guys making millions of dollars. It would already hit. Well, EBI is probably the biggest one. For sure.

And it's the best program by far. The best program to watch for sure because of his restarts. Not even close. They have the overtime system. But do people know enough about it to appreciate it? It takes too much time to invest in knowing the sport. What about combat jiu-jitsu though?

Where people don't care. Combat jiu-jitsu is way easier to understand. Why wouldn't I just watch fucking MMA? Because you see bitch slappers Yeah, I'm gonna watch MMA if I want to see hitting on the ground That's true But I feel like it's a lab for learning what techniques are applicable to MMA before you actually get into MMA Basically all the same principles apply if you get slap submitting the face you see so like we're okay in this position

This guy is very in the face and you see, okay, in this position, this guy's very open in the face for slaps, so if this was punches, it'd be a way worse situation for him. And some guys can get stopped with slaps, like Wagner Rocha. Who did he stop? He stopped But when you think about the crowds booing during a UFC fight

when it goes to the ground, when Khabib's beating the shit out of someone or Stipe's, like they were booing Francis and St khabib's beating the shit out of someone or stipe's like they were booing francis and stipe when he's beating the shit out now think about jujitsu where it's slapping like it's never gonna correlate to the masses it's just not i enjoy watching it i'm a weirdo well you know what's interesting though they didn't boo khabib because khabib's mauling was so terrifying that you realize like nobody was like boo stand them up stand them up no stand him up. No, because Khabib is just beating the shit out of them the entire time they're down.

He's just beating the shit out of them, but if you look at the viewership on that, it's not crazy. Where people are like, no one's going, you got to tune into this. This guy's beating the shit out of this Brazilian. Wait a minute, isn't it pay-per-view? Wasn't it pay-per-view, that fight? What was that fight? What fight was that? That was Khabib or Bozen.

Who else was on that? I called the fight, so it had to be pay-per-view. Correct. Who else was on there? It might have been on... No, it wasn't. No, it was pay-per-view. You're right. It was the good one. What is it on? It was 219, so it was two events ago. Was it the co-main event? December one. Was it the co-main event? Yeah. It was a phenomenal fight. Was that

Cyborg? That was Cyborg. Yeah. Cyborg versus Holly Holm in the final, correct? Is that what it is? I'm pretty sure. Is that it? Couple one-two punchies. Cyborg-Holm. But final, correct? Is that what it is? I'm pretty sure. Is that it? Couple one, two, punchies. Cyborg, Holm. But still, you know what I'm saying?

Maybe 400,000 people saw that, paid for the pay-per-view. No one's calling, like, dude, you've got to tune in. This Russian, where's he from? Kazakhstan? Dagestan. Dagestan is beating the shit out of this Brazilian. That doesn't translate like a Forrest Griffin, Stefan Bonner fight, unfortunately. You have to tune in and buy this pay-per-view.

See, it's way easier to get, especially when it's a co-made event already, man. It's hard to get people to buy in that late in a fight. Like, that late in a card, you're already made to the co-made event, and it's already going on. What's the next fight? Oh, it's Cyborg versus Holly Holm. I'm going to watch it on the replay. Once you're already that deep in the card.

Yeah, it's a little late. But if it's on Spike TV and you call your friend up and you go, dude, you've got to watch these crazy white boys beat the fuck out of each other. People aren't doing that. Then you can do that. People aren't doing that. I'm not calling my dad. You've got to tune in and see Khabib beat the shit out of this guy.

I don't know, man. I don't know if that's true. Because if that fight was on Fox, I really feel like people would have went crazy. If you saw the way Khabib kept taking Edson Barboza down and mauling him, the way we were calling it. The ratings would side with me. This year's ratings would definitely side with me. Yeah, but when has Khabib fought on Fox?

He's had fights. All his fights haven't been on pay-per-view. Yeah, he's had fights on FS1, right? Like Daryl Horcher. Didn't he fight him on? He's had fights on FS1, right? Like Daryl Horcher. Didn't you fight him on... He's had some fights. His fighting style isn't the type of fighting style where it crosses over to the masses.

We love him because he's beating the shit out of people on the ground. He's also one thing that people love, and that's undefeated. Undefeated. I think he's 18-0. So he's not an Asker, though. Why isn't he a bigger star? Not in the UFC. His last two fights before... or the fight before Michael Johnson,

he fought Dos Anjos and Horcher were both UFC on Fox events. And how were those ratings? Interesting. And he beat the fuck out of Dos Anjos. He did beat the fuck out of Dos Anjos. He beat the brakes off of him. Yeah, and Horcher was a real last-minute substitution. I mean, real last-minute.

Hey, man, that dude's tough as fuck. What about Michael Johnson? Was that Fox? Where he's telling him to UFC 205 That was the Madison Square Garden Okay That was a terrible one

Watch him He's telling Give up He goes give up I gotta I gotta God Monster

Monster Bang bang It's a fucking killer son Um but he needed this fight Cause he needed to fight Where it was post weight loss Bullshit Like the weight cut

Where they had to Can cancel the fight with Tony. He's got a real nutritionist now. He looked way better. I'm very excited about that fight in Brooklyn. I could beat Tony, man. Very, very excited about that fight. Dude, I can't find a venue to do a show. It's too late.

What? I know. It's going to be a show Thursday night before yours. I know. They can't find one. What? Gotham's booked. I was going to do one night at Carolina's, but it's too small, so I'm just going to come back and do a weekend in New York instead of doing a show.

Well, you have to work with me. I'd love to, man. All right, we'll do it with that. You let me know. I worked with you. You worked with me. Oh, dude, I'd love to. You tell me.

Yay. All right, we made it happen. Yay. What else is going on? It's almost 5.30. Did we cover everything? I haven't been talking. We have, man, right?

Forever. These things go by fast, brother. Three hours. I feel like we haven't talked in a while. I think we can talk for three hours. Right? That's how we were, baby. and we'll wrap this bitch up um so uh can't talk about that other thing the showtime stuff you talk about some things i have an

exciting yeah it's exciting announcement i'm signing this i got my own tv show coming out with showtime it'll be on digital and the network on showtime but there's certain things you can't say yeah we're right now they have to make the official announcement. Oh. We got all the contracts in place, but they want to make the official announcement. But you already fucked them over then by saying it right here.

They told me I could say it. Oh. They just said I can't say the exact thing. But next weekend, I'm at La Jolla Comedy Store, Friday and Saturday. One of the greatest clubs in the history of the world. My favorite club, man. That's a great spot.

I know. That's as good as the comedy store in Hollywood. The best. So I'm there Friday, Saturday night. All those tickets are almost sold out. Two shows Friday, two shows Saturday. And then. So I'm there Friday, Saturday night. All those tickets are almost sold out. Two shows Friday, two shows Saturday. And then March, I'm in Tampa, Palm Beach, and Orlando, son.

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