The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #150 with Daniel Cormier

Episode Date: December 6, 2023

Joe sits down with Daniel Cormier, a two-division UFC world champion, Hall Of Fame fighter, and combat sports commentator. https://www.youtube.com/@DC_MMA

The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day. We're up. I got a friend named Zach Esposito, and he used to do that. We would get done with practice, and every technique had to be perfect. Even getting undressed and then backdressed. This dude would sometimes get undressed three times. What?

He would get dressed. Maybe he put something on in the wrong order. I don't know what he would do. But then he would take it off. He would do it again. He would take it off. And then if he was drilling, every move. It's like, I don't know what that disease is called.

Obsessive compulsive disorder. That, that. Right? It was with everything, though. And he became an NCAA champion. Doesn't it make sense, though, that those kind of things, if you could channel them into something positive. Like, if you're a maniac. Yeah.

Say if you're a compulsive gambler. You can't stop gambling. You just got to get out there and place bets. You got to place. There's guys like that. If they could channel that same energy into something else, like jiu-jitsu. Could you imagine an athlete that's like that? Yeah.

Michael Jordan. I'm sure he's like that. For as compulsive of a gambler as he is, that was his approach to basketball. Yes. So nobody could be greater. Yes. Same thing. Same thing.

Exact same thing. It's just one of them is dangerous. One of them is dangerous. One of them will fuck up your life, and one of them will make you the GOAT. One of them will make you the GOAT, but the other side of it is it don't turn off. And that's the fucked up part. That's the fucked up part. It doesn't turn off.

Having that as a thing and then the competitiveness never turns off. Right. It drives you crazy. Well, that's why Tyson didn't work out for years. Yep. You know, Mike did my podcast twice and the first time he did it, Mike was like heavier. He was smoking weed all the time. He was so chill.

I was like, wow. Mike Tyson is such a sweet guy. And then Mike Tyson signed up for the Roy Jones fight, and the next time he came in, he was 225. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Forearms were jacked, and he was intense. And I made a decision to make the table wider on my podcast do because I was so nervous being that close really yeah I was like I got a little just to separate like from really intense people so I could collect my thoughts

Yeah, he tapped back into that thing right he had suppressed it when you saw me He was friendly and he was nice. He was smoking very still friendly He was still cool as fuck, but this was the real Mike But you that was but that was the guy because he tapped back into that monster he found it we because you know you oh you you got to have the monster have to in order to be a world champion in any type of combat sport you have to have that monster yeah a legit monster inside of you that doesn't really live in the real world because in the real world he doesn't work right in the real world. Because in the real world, he doesn't work. Right. In the real world, if you can't put that monster away at times, you don't work in life.

You're in trouble all the time. You're in trouble all the time. Yeah. But that same monster, if you can control that motherfucker, then you're Mike Tyson. You're Mike Tyson. But then that's why he would see him skirt the line, right? Yes.

When he's talking to the reporter, that reporter, that is still one of the craziest things I've ever witnessed. When he was on the stage and the reporter said something and Mike started talking about, if we were in jail, I would do this. Oh, that's right. Oh, my God. I'd fuck you till you love me. I'd fuck you till you love me. Joe, how do, I mean, what?

What? Oh, my God. But imagine that guy in that state trying to operate in the world with normal people like us. Right. Doesn't work. Doesn't work. He's in jail. Right.

Crazy. It's crazy because the thing that made him great could also run away like a wildfire and burn everything around him. And everybody. Yeah. And when you're the man, and he was the man, then there's no restraints anymore, which is even crazier. Because now you crash a Rolls Royce, you just give it to the cops. Remember that?

Yeah. No matter what he did. He says, just take my car. I don't even want it. No matter what he did, take the car. I'm fine. They hide everything. You know, honestly, here it is right there.

That's it. He was like, i'm like your daddy let me hear this jamie give me some volume go go from the beginning he's like breathing heavily i mean You're not man enough. I eat your asshole alive, you bitch. Fuck you, you hoe. Come and say it in my face. Fuck you, you ass for that. Everybody. You bitch. Come on, you bitch.

You're scared, coward. You're not man enough to fuck with me. You can't last two minutes in my world, bitch. Look at you scared now, you hoe. Scared like a little white pussy. Scared of the real man. I'll fuck you till you love me, faggot. Jeez.

What do you say to someone? Who is that guy? Yeah. Who's that guy? Who's the reporter? That's what I'm saying. But what did that reporter have to say to get that? Well, he said something that you should be in a straight jacket.

Yeah. Wasn't this the one where Mike bit Lennox? He bit Evander. He bit Evander. He bit Evander. He bit Evander's ear. But didn't somebody get bit in this? That was when he was about to fight Lennox Lewis,

I believe. Wasn't there like a brawl before this? There was a brawl. Did somebody get bit or am I imagining that? I don't remember him getting bit. I remember him biting

Evander's ear and they got into a bit of a fight. That was crazy. That was crazy. Were you there? No. No, I watched it on TV. Oh, I was about to say that was crazy. That was crazy. Were you there? No, no, I watched it on TV. Oh, I was about to say, that was crazy.

That was crazy. He bit a chunk of his ear off. He couldn't beat him. He couldn't beat him. He was in a situation where he wasn't the man because he was so used to being the biggest, baddest mug in there. And in a situation where he wasn't, he goes, I have to go primal.

It's all you know. Wow. You bite a motherfucker. He bit that motherfucker. Can you? And Evander Holyfield has somehow forgiven him. Evander's amazing. Dude, I love Evander Holyfield.

How good was he? He was the best, bro. How good was he? What a warrior. What a warrior. And those Tyson fights? Because he had to endure. Yeah, he did. I mean,. And those Tyson fights, because he had to endure. Yeah, he did.

Tyson put it on him, and he endured. All of them. Remember those Riddick Bowe fights? That's the ones. The Riddick Bowe fights. Now we gotta think, the Tyson fights after the Riddick Bowe fights, which is even kind of crazy. Riddick Bowe was good. Those guys were good. Riddick Bowe, Evander Holyfield, He bit his leg.

Oh, he did bite his leg. Tyson was forced to pay Lewis around $360,000 for biting his leg. And the bra almost saw the mega fight canceled altogether. Yeah, he bit his leg. But that's the thing, right? Like he had to do something. Anytime he was threatened, you know, it's like when you're in the wild, right? I watch a whole bunch of shit. It's called like one is nature is metal oh yeah that's a sick page bro nature is metal

it's the craziest nature is so metal it is dude some of the shit you see on that page is nuts but you'll see a bear and it'll just walk around and it just fucks everybody up. But then when there's a bear that's as big as it, it starts to question and it might cower down. But in this situation, Mike Tyson's not going to cower down to Lennox Lewis. So he bites him. Right? He bites him. He probably fell down.

I'm going to tell you one thing. And I'll tell you this right now. When I was in that press fight with Jon Jones, I was still undefeated at the time and we were at the mgm grand and he headbutted me like put his head on me so i push him he's an alpha male too so the fucker attacks me right right so we get to fighting oh boy so we get to fighting, right? And we're fighting, and Joe, the security guard from the UFC, falls under me.

But now I'm on my back as we go flying off the stage. I will say that was a thought to bite the motherfucker. He's like, what am I doing on my back? Right? I'm losing. You're going to bite the son of a bitch. i ain't got no mouthpiece in my mouth and if i would have bit him that would have been like a reaction for a guy that usually will walk around in most places around this world as the alpha and then when he finds himself on the bottom as the alpha he's got to find a way to survive. So that's what Mike Tyson would do. He would go as primal as he could think,

how do I survive? It was always survival with this guy. Wow. And if I would have bit him, you'd have been like, DC bit him, but it's not the first time we saw somebody bite a motherfucker down there

because Mike Tyson did it three times. It's like you're so, it's so unfamiliar. I told my kids the other day at wrestling practice joe i said my whole life i feared getting pinned so much that i don't even sleep on my back to this day because i don't want those fuckers laying on their back in the restroom i said i fell asleep on my back one day and woke up in a full panic attack jones had me on my back man that shit's unfamiliar so if I would have did some crazy shit that's just would have happened that's what would have happened because you don't go to your back right that's hilarious you can't

sleep on your back you can sleep on your back now I snore too loud when I sleep I cannot sleep on my back I just like I really have kind of trained myself to where i'm like i'm getting pinned i don't let the kids in my restroom that's so wild i don't let my kids like when when i'm talking and if they like lay back let get off your back if they're stretching i'm like don't stay on your back too long you try to i try to trick them in their mind that their back is literally the most the worst place in the world and so and that's what my coach did to me everything I did get off your back get off your back then he would lock me on my fucking back he would get dudes lined up in high school and college and an arm triangle which is the worst you can't breathe it's a headlock in wrestling

right you obviously don't go chest down. You're trying to pin him. He would put me on my back in those situations with my fresh partners, and I would have to get off my back not to get pinned. So I just never got pinned in my whole career. I wrestled from 10 to 30, and I might have got pinned like three or four times in all those years because I was just so afraid of going to my – I just never got pinned.

Wow. And I'm trying to implement that into my kids. It makes sense. Yeah. It totally makes sense if you make it the utmost priority. Yeah. Because you've talked about this before that you see sometimes when guys get tired, they accept positions too easy.

And when they go to the back, they don't immediately scramble. They don't immediately try to get an angle or an underhook or something you'll see them accept the position and it's too late when you're fighting or in those situations you gotta address it now or you're done

so when we're doing commentary and we're talking about the fight and somebody gets taken down and a guy starts to get into the positions where I get quiet, because you're better there, and you start walking through the submissions, how it's getting set up. And I'm like, oh, this dude's done. The guy on top is waiting.

He's taking too long to address what's happening. And the next thing you know, oh, my God, triangle, right? Because it's not just when the legs go up. You're like, this dude's starting to set up a triangle. And I'm like, he is, right? Because it's not just when the legs go up. You're like, this dude's starting to set up a triangle. And I'm like, he is, right? He's waiting. You got to always be in motion. You got to always be kind of thinking about the next step.

Or you're screwed. If you start accepting, you're screwed. When you look at the guys that are really good at MMA submissions off their back, like Oliveira. Oliveira's real good. It's so crisp, though. When he gets those moments, those openings, just crisp. Yep. Right away.

Yeah. He finds those arm bars and triangles, and he cinches submissions up so quick. Yeah. So quick. One of the quickest guys. I mean, does he have the most submissions in the history of the sport? Yeah. Like 20.

They're so quick, man. The technique is so smooth. How do you have 20 submissions? How do you submit 20 of the most dangerous people in the world? This dude's a beast. I remember his first submission win in the UFC with Efrain Escudero. Yeah. Remember he hopped on his back?

You know that was here? Was it here? That was actually in Austin, I believe. There was a guy that came into a meeting today and said, my first pro fight was in Texas. He saw I watched Efrain Escudero fight against Charles Olivares. Excuse me. But he's a beast, man.

Like, these dudes are... The fighters today are just crazy. They keep getting better. It's next level every time. Every time. Every time. I bet when you go back, because you do a lot of re-watching fights. Yeah.

When you go back to the days before, whenever I was watching as a fan, thinking, unbelievable to watch Chuck Liddell and Tito Ortiz and these guys fight. The way that they fought today, it's like prehistoric. It's crazy. The skill level. The difference. Oh, my goodness. It's like they're faster. They're bigger.

They're stronger. They're more advanced. The techniques are better. And it happens in every sport, right? But in MMA now, you're seeing it. Chuck was just like a marauder. He was crazy, wasn't he? He was a marauder.

I mean, the thing about Chuck was he had an iron chin. He did. And he was not scared to take shots. He would just wade into the fire. I mean, he was very skillful. He was very skillful. Yes. But he was also willing to put himself in danger.

He also knew that if you hit him, he could take it. Yeah. But if he got to you, you were going down. Yeah. He had full confidence in his power. Or it would affect you so much that you would start to kind of turn away and then you're fucked.

Then he would get you. You remember the Babalu fight? Dude, I swear to God, Joe, when I was in Stillwater, Oklahoma, I was on my Olympic run. You guys were doing a few pay-per-views a year. It wasn't every month like we do today. Was it four, five a year?

I don't remember how many we did. But it wasn't many. And it became, who's Chuck Liddell beating this time? That really was the pay-per-view. Is he beating Babalu this time? Is he beating Randy this time? Is he beating Randall? Who's he going to beat this time on the pay-per-view?

Because he was massive. He was the biggest star. When he was going through his run as a champion, he was a he was massive. He was the biggest star. When he was going through his run as a champion, he was a motherfucker, dude. He was a scary guy. Fucker was in shape, too. Very good shape. Dude, he was in shape.

Well, Hackleman, John Hackleman from the pit. Yeah, he's a psycho. He's a psycho. He's a great psycho. I love that dude. But that guy was one of the first guys to implement really unusual training, like wheelbarrows filled with rocks and shit,

pushing them uphill. He, that pit, that training center that he had in San Luis Obispo. It looked like it was outdoor. Yeah, the cage was outdoors. Yeah, I always looked at it like, are these guys training outside? Hackleman's funny, man.

Yeah. He's a fun dude. But he just was the first to realize that like functional training. Yep, functional training. This kind of work, those really hard physical work along with technique. Yeah. It's interesting when you go back to the pioneers, how they all had to figure it out on their own.

And that's what it was. Militich figured it out on their own. The Lion's Den did it their way. And Militich trained a bunch of champions. Oh, yeah. For a while, they had like the best. Pulver, Robbie was in that gym. Matt Hughes was in that gym.

Tim Sylvia was in that gym. They all were in that same gym. Bro, the Tim Sylvia that knocked out Rico Rodriguez was a scary man. A big dude, too. He was jacked back then, too. Remember how jacked he got? Yeah, he was big. This is pre-Usada.

Remember those days? Oh, my goodness. Everybody was saucy. And Usada's going again. Yeah. Usada's going again. Yeah, he was big. This is pre-Usada. Remember those days? Oh my goodness. And Usada's going again. Usada's going again. Yeah, but they're going to have a new program. But they're going to have a testing program. It's too big now to go back to those days. Yeah, I don't think they're going to let him use peptides, which I think is a mistake.

I always told people, I said, I fought guys on steroids early in my career. You had to. I honestly don't ever recall taking a test when I early in my career. You had to. I honestly don't ever recall taking a test when I was in Strikeforce. 10, 11, 12. Nope. Drug tests?

Like what? I never in my life took a test. I never did. I never took anything, but I never got tested. That's crazy. So I was like somebody was doing something. Of course. Of course. They suspended poor Nick Diaz for weed. For like five years.

They can't do like a five year suspension for weed. Listen, the best example of all time clearly is Alistair when he was fighting Brock. Bro, did you see that dude? What was that? He was a superhero. That was UFC. No, yeah, he fought him before even the Strikeforce.

When he was beating them dudes up in Strikeforce. Oh, when he kicked Brock in the side, though. Bro. He was so terrifying when he saw me. Yeah, he was. When he was like full Alistair Ream, 265. I know. It's crazy.

He's a vegan now. That's when he's like not eating meat anymore. No, no meat. That's impossible. And he weighs like 190, it looks like. Yeah, there he is. This is Uber Ream, son. Look at him in the dream. Look at himats, son. Look at him in the dream.

Look at him in the dream. Look at him in the dream. Oh, my God. Uber Eats was a motherfucker. But it's like that's, I mean, you need a bunch of things to be Uber Eats. Obviously, you need talent. You got to have skill, too. He was very talented.

He was really good. He was very skillful. Also, just tough as shit and not afraid. I mean, that guy got KO'd a bunch of times and always fought just always fought like a warrior he was a scary kickboxer you know what the problem with that was with

Alistair though you could see when he stopped because he wasn't as sure of himself he had become so reliant on those abilities that not even the ability because he never lost the ability he had become so reliant on those abilities that not even the ability because he never lost the ability He had become reliable on the comfort of knowing the stuff that he had done prior would make sure he's not tired Right. He was more in shape

He had more muscle more muscle in it messed with him towards the end of his course it had to it has to he had to Know what an advantage it was having. Yeah Look if they if he had come along in an era of no testing, he goes down as one of the greatest heavyweights of all time. And he still is. I still think he is. He still is. Yeah, I still think he's one of the best of all time.

He's a great fighter, man. Dude, he won everything. Yeah. When you win everywhere. K-1 Grand Prix. Yes. I mean, that is wild. When you win everywhere.

Everywhere. You got skill. You won in Elite XC. You won in Strikeforce. You won in the UFC. You won in Elite XC. You won in Strikeforce. You won in the UFC. You won in K-1. And he hurt Stipe. He had Stipe.

He had Stipe for a moment there. He had him bad. He just made a couple of errors. You can't make no mistake against Milicic. He's a survivor. Yeah, he's tough. He's so tough. Yeah, he's very tough.

I was very upset when the Jones-Tipe fight got canceled. I was like, no. I know. We were looking forward to it. Have you ever had an injury like that where it's torn off the bone? No, it was a very odd injury for me to watch, too, because it didn't seem like it was like, you know grappling, wrestling. We get extended a lot, right?

So when you're going and you're doing your jiu-jitsu and you and I are going and you take, and you're in half guard, right? Every time I go to get up, I build to my elbow, I get to my underhook, I'll take a single leg. You'll sprawl because you got to take your leg away from me. When I'm up on my elbow and I get to my half guard and I'm on the butt here,

I will always go to a single because I'm a wrestler. You will sprawl and i get to my half guard and i'm on the butt here i will always go to a single because i'm a wrestler you will sprawl and try to go back behind me my arm gets extended every time and that's kind of what happened with jones it's like he was in an under and the guy sprawled a little bit and then his arm came away from his body and it ripped and it's it's unfortunate but do you think that um I know John has been doing a lot of heavy lifting to get up to heavy weight. That and the extra weight, right? He's carrying all that extra weight.

He's lifting all that weight, and it's like you've got to develop muscle, but it's got to be usable muscle. You can't just be big. Well, the other thing is if you're not doing anything, like if you're not taking anything, then your recovery from really heavy power lifts is kind of significant.

Didn't he lift like 600 pounds or something? Oh my God, he's strong as fuck. He's strong as fuck. He looks very big now. He looks like a heavyweight. But I just wonder, how much weightlifting do you have to do to maintain that frame? Yeah. Well, he was strong. He was always strong. When we fought, he was strong.

Like, he was strong. Leverage. Great with his leverage. Dude, the way he was able to manipulate positions, because I thought, without a shadow of a doubt, that I would take him down at will. But it's hard. Even if you get a takedown,

it's hard against the best guys. I picked Stipe up. I threw him down. Held him down for the whole first round. And then he got up because we got to start again. So now I got to start that process all over again. And that's why Habib Nurmagomedov was so special. Because it didn't

matter how many times he had to restart the process. He went right back to doing that with his opponent knowing that he was going to throw you to the ground. So when you're fighting guys like Jones, he's so tall, he's so rangy, and he just understood fighting. The guy just understands fighting. And it makes him hard to deal with. And then, Joe, when you get in a clinch with this dude, he's so tall that it's almost like you're holding him up if you're the shorter fighter.

He's like draping over the top of you. And that is what fatigues you. Because when I'm clinching, you know, I fought there a ton. Like just in the clinch, punch, punch, punch. I'm trying to break your posture. He doesn't do that. He pushes you against the octagon and then he leans. So now you're carrying 220 with your weight up against the octagon,

and then he's changing levels, and he's spinning, trying to elbow you. The dude just understands fighting and understands how to maneuver his body to fatigue you. It's crazy. He also is the best at managing distance. Oh, gosh. It hurts so bad trying to get close to him. I tell you that.

Dude, it hurts so bad. it hurts so bad trying to get close to him i tell you that hey dude it hurts so bad joe it hurts so bad the kicks to the body and the knees because you know me like kane me and kane were forward forward forward head movement yeah get close punch punch take you down right but with him he was a southpaw so his lead leg was right there so i wanted to grab a single leg but this dude would be stepping back kneeing me me, kneeing me, kneeing me, and then I'd be like, okay, so I need to stop going forward, so now I'm at range, and he'd blast body kick, and then body kick, so now you're like, shit, I'm not going to stay on the end of these body kicks, because they hurt, so then you get close, and he knees you, so it's like, you're landing, and I'm hitting him, but he's hitting me with things that may not be as big, like my hand overhand, right, looks big,

but that knee just goes boom, right in the rib every time. Boom, right in the rib. And then every now and again, they catch you right in the middle. That shit hurts bad, man. I don't even know how the hell I was going through all that in that octagon because now it hurts. It hurts. Like, it hurts. It hurts. Like, it hurts.

Alex Pereira kicked my leg. I was like, this shit hurts. That dude has the weirdest leg kicks. They're so sneaky. My cousin had the greatest. He's so clever at it. My cousin had the greatest analogy for Pereira. He goes, he is Thanos.

Literally just collecting fucking stones infinity stones he's like he said he goes I love Marvel he goes

it was like when Thanos showed up and he's just collecting infinity stones there's a timeline you know there's a bad guy a bad guy and then there's this ultimate bad guy

who was just in some fucking bar in Brazil and then Izzy had to open his mouth. Isn't that crazy? If Izzy just shut the fuck up, he would have stayed where he was. But I mean, it's like a delayed reaction on the kick. But if Izzy would have just shut up, this dude would have stayed in Brazil.

That dude is so sneaky with that kick. But if Izzy would have just shut up, this dude would have stayed in Brazil. That dude is so sneaky with that kick. And if you get too close, he's going to punch you. Yeah. Well, he's so long and he's also so odd in his striking movements. He's like this tall. He's tall. They're very odd. And he's like, and if you get

close, it's the right hand. Even that thing he does when he's walking out and he does this thing and he throws this combination, it doesn't look fluid he's like boom boom boom but you know like if that dude hits you with that you're going to sleep you go to sleep everybody's asleep yuri's in there dancing and shit yuri's like doing all kind of like weird stuff right and alex is like just stone face stone face like i'm going to one of the greatest stare downs ever. I'm going to kill you is what he's thinking. Like this dance, you're weird ass. I'm going to kill you.

Who's the guy that he scissor kicked? He scissor knee? Michaelitis? Oh, my God. Oh, my goodness. I thought you were lying, bro. I thought you were lying. The whole time, Joe, I'm sitting to your right.

I'm like, man, Joe Rogan up in here lying to me. Telling me this dude. This good. This DC. I'm telling you. Because I'll be honest with you. I had watched him a little bit. I hadn't watched all of his kickboxing.

I was like, okay, this dude's supposed to be good. Let me watch a little bit. It's kickboxing. And you come in and you're like, DC, wait until you see this Pereira in real life. And I'm like, okay, he's good, DC. Might be the best kickboxer that we've ever had. Well, Izzy's here.

You know, like Izzy's here. He knocked out Izzy twice, DC, I'm telling you. Knocked him out once. Or knocked him out once, beat him by decision. And I'm like, the hell of that. And then he does that and I look over and I go, oh my God, you're telling the truth. Dude, he's something fierce. I mean, this is Sean Strickland.

Yeah. Right? Yeah. With a left hook. With a left hook. I mean, the guy who's now the middleweight champion. Champion of the world. Yeah, and he took him out easy.

A year. Yeah. He was the champ in a year. Dude, he's got two world titles in 11 fights. In two years. It's insane. He's been in the UFC. Dude, I don't know, Joe, if we had, and he's got two world titles and 11 fights. In two years. It's insane. He's been in the UFC. Dude, I don't know, Joe, if we had, and he's here in Austin.

So I'm going to go hang out with him later. I'm going to see Pereira. That's awesome. I love that dude. He smiles. Yeah. He actually smiles. Before he just didn't smile.

Now he smiles. I just don't think he wants to smile after fights or before fights. He just wants to fight. He just stays cold. He's there for a reason. Yeah. To just beat somebody's ass. Well, he was so extraordinary in kickboxing.

When I watched him in kickboxing, some dudes just have some extra gear, some extra power. It was shocking. He would hit guys, boom, and they would just like stiffen up and flatline. With 10-ounce gloves.

Fuck, man. He's doing it to everybody. Like literally everybody he's connecting on is going night-night. And he does it in two different weight classes simultaneously. So he's, I mean, when that guy was going to fight MMA, I'm like, hold on, baby. Because this is going to be some wild shit. This is an extraordinary dude. And he was 3-1 when he made his debut in Madison Square Garden.

Yeah. And you knew that if he was able to1 when he made his debut in Madison Square Garden. Yeah. And you knew that if he was able to win a couple, they would rush him to Izzy. And he got there and he beat him. And I still now, I don't know how Izzy beat that dude, man. He caught him perfect. He caught him. Perfect.

If that fight would have kept going, I don't think Izzy was going to win. He was hurting Izzy bad. That leg was fucked up already. It was done. It's crazy how good he is at that. It takes like two or three. He doesn't move his hips. The way he does it is so beautiful because there's no telegraphing at all. He's just moving there and slap. Slap.

You got one, two in there, three, and you start seeing the welts. Here he had a big welt on his leg. You know what's the worst? It's like you train a certain way. When I first started fighting, I would train southpaw some because it's your fast hand. And then Kane kicked me in the face and I blew my nose out.

I said, I'm never fighting southpaw again. Because you don't see stuff as well. It's not natural. So I always stayed conventional. Most do that. But then because you don't train in that off stance, you fight Pereira. Next thing you know, he's got your leg beat up. You're switching to softball, which is what Yuri did.

Yuri's not a softball. Yuri doesn't fight softball. Now you're fighting in a fight stance that's unfamiliar against one of the most dangerous men in the world. Right. How are you supposed to fight him? And you have a compromised leg. And you're compromised.

So you're not going to be able to move as quickly. Because you're not doing it on your terms. Yeah. You're switching on his terms. Yeah. It's crazy. And, you know, once those calves get chopped a few times, like, only they know how compromised that leg is.

Izzy's leg in the first fight, he said, was fucked up after the first round. They're always on crutches and in wheelchairs. When they're done with him, people don't see this, right? When we're leaving the arena, these guys are either getting wheeled to the post-fight press conference or wheeled to the ambulance because their legs are so jacked up. He tears their legs up. He tears their legs up. It's bad.

He tears their legs up. It's bad. And he's just so efficient with it. It's just what a hard style to emulate as a sparring partner. Yeah. Especially since he really still can't wrestle. Right. Think about all the success he's had and he still can't wrestle.

Some of these takedowns he gets taken down with is like, he still hasn't developed to the point that a real good wrestler wouldn't try to take him down over and over again. Right. But you could never get there because he knocks you out. You know what else is shocking? He's, like, he never seemed drained at 85. How is he making that weight, though? How is he making that weight?

And now when he's fighting at 205, he's like, it's seemingly more durable. He looks the same. Yeah. He does not. 20 pounds lighter, he looks the same. He does. He really does look the same. That's how big he was when he was fighting.

This guy had to be getting up to 215 whenever he was making 85. I think it was heavier. One of the fights, they said it was 226, I believe. 226 in the octagon at 185. Find out whether it was after the fight or the day of the fight. Yeah, he went. I mean, that was like what he was walking around at. That's crazy.

That's so big. It's not fair, man. It's so crazy. You know, that power that he has. But I think also, I mean, you'd be the best person to ask about this. When you see guys that cut a lot of weight, it seems like it's harder for them to take shots. Yeah. You know, I told that to Davidson Figueredo today.

I said, remember by the end of the Moreno trilogy, our fourth fight? Every time Brandon hit him, it looked like it hurt him. And Davidson was never a guy that had chin problems. But he's going up to 135 now this weekend. Yeah, Rob Font. Yes, I guess Rob Font. So it's like, is he going to be more durable? Is he going to be better at taking shots now?

Right. Because he was, I mean, TJ Dillashaw, when he went to 125, he was a shell of himself. That was a terrifying weight cut, too. God, he looked like dead man walking. Yeah. He looked like someone who was dying. Do you, did you, what do you think, as a fighter, I actually liked the afternoon weigh-in better. I liked the afternoon weigh-in opposed to the morning weigh-in.

Why is that? More time and sleep. Sleep. The night before, you got to sleep. Because if you woke up at 7, 8 over, you had all day Friday to make the weight. On fight day. Yeah, 219 on fight day. Come on, man.

It's 25 pounds, bro. That's so big. That's 25 pounds. That's really nuts. But again, that's because they have so much time now. Because if he weighs in at 11am on Friday morning now he's got 24 hours now he's got

he's in the main event so this dude is not fighting for probably 35 hours after he steps on the scale you can gain 25 pounds in 35 hours I think that's 35 pounds right that's 35 pounds 35 pounds yeah that's 35 pounds, right? That's 35 pounds? 35 pounds.

Yeah. That's 35 pounds in a day. Think about that. 35 pounds is insane. I can't. Think of 35 steaks. I actually can't. I can't.

Just think of 35 steaks stacked up. And then you take that out of your body. That's what it is. Yeah. I mean, it would be up to here. Yeah. 35 steaks. Would be up to there insane that's 16 ounce stakes that's insane that's insane what do you think do you think it's possible to ever come to a point where there's no weight class or there's no weight cutting at all there's more

weight classes more options but people fight at their natural weight. You see, one of the problems with that is if there are more belts, then it kind of becomes boxing a little bit. And it could be a little watered down. Because now you got a champion every 10 pounds. So you don't know if you got the best guy as the champ. Right now, you're pretty sure that the UFC champion is the best fighter in the world. Anywhere between 135 to 155, 160.

You know those guys that weigh that naturally. The guy in the UFC is the best fighter in the world. 55? Between 55 and 85, 90, you have the best fighter. And I'm talking lightweights. They cut from 185, 180. To get to 155. To get to 155.

To get to 155. So you know you're getting the best fighter of all men around those weights in that weight class. But if you get a 65, 55, 45, 35, 25, I don't know that it works. I really don't know that it works. That's interesting. I can see your point, but there's some people that are definitely tweeners,

right? Yes, Aljamain Sterling. Aljamain Sterling. He is one of them. But is he, though? Because he was the champion at 35. But killed himself to get there. I know, but he still had endurance. And I always felt like, if you're going to have an example of weight cutting, I always felt like Aljamain had the perfect

frame for 35. Yes, he does. Because he's so big and strong and manages to get there, and then he puts it right back on. And then when you see him on fight day, you're like, my God. Like when you see that dude's abs and all that, he looks like a 160-pound man. You know why? Why?

You know why, Joe? You know what they've started to do? I think it's the most dangerous thing in the world. But you know what they've started to do? I think it's the most dangerous thing in the world. But you know what they've started to do? Aljamain Sterling was one of the first to tell me, but he doesn't cut all of his weight. So with us, we would go on Thursday night, if I weighed 216 and I had to be 205 by Friday morning, I would get as low as I possibly could and then try to go to bed. So if I'd get to 207, I would hope that by the morning I'd be 206.

I'd only have to lose a pound in the morning. So I'm dehydrated for 12, 13, 14 hours. Those guys today are going to bed at that weight, Joe, 10, 11 over, and waking up at like 4 or 5 in the morning and cutting the weight. Because they said if they cut all that weight, they don't sleep, which I can attest to. It don't matter how much melatonin you take. It doesn't matter what you do.

You're going to wake up because you're so hungry. You're so dehydrated. You're not going to get a good night's sleep. They're going to bed heavier, getting up in the morning, sucking all that weight off, and they're dehydrated for only like four hours. I think it's dangerous. Why is it dangerous? Because you have to cut 10 pounds in four hours.

If you don't, you're screwed. Oh, you think it's dangerous career-wise? I think it's dangerous because you could not make the weight. Right. Because you're not giving yourself any room for if anything goes sideways. Right. Because you're not giving yourself any room for if anything goes sideways. Because the worst possible feeling is when you go through your entire routine and you expect to lose eight, but you might lose six or five and a half. And then you're like, now I got to work out.

What's the cause of that? Like what's the variabilities? I don't know. Cold room. Did you ever work with a doctor? No, I just weight cutting. So what I would do is I wrestled my whole life. So what I would do is I would do these test

cuts because I was very afraid because at the Olympics my kidneys shut down. So I didn't get to wrestle my second Olympic Games. So I was scared. So I would two weeks before the fight or three weeks before the fight when I first started to go to 205, I would go on a Saturday and I would just cut some weight. I'd get to 210, 211.

I'd lose nine pounds. Okay, I know if I do this for an hour, I'll lose nine pounds. The next weekend, do it again. Lose nine pounds. I know. So then it became a thing where I knew in the right circumstances, with the right temperature in the room, I could lose nine pounds.

As long as it wasn't 65 degrees, I was fine. Anything over 70, as most gyms are, I was getting nine off. So I would, I had this routine. I would get up, get my body water loaded. I would go into the sauna with just my stuff put all my sweet sweat on get sweating after like 5 minutes sweat till 10

then start putting all my clothes on in the sauna so I would have my socks my shoes, my sweats, my t-shirt my hat, my plastics I would put them all on in the same way every time plastic pants, sweatpants socks, shoes, long-sleeved T-shirt under the plastics

because I didn't like it against my body, plastic top, sweat top, hat, gloves, and everything just tucked in. And then I would go right out of there because that would take me like 15 minutes in the sauna. I would walk straight to the treadmill, Joe. Then I'm on the treadmill. I run a mile, but only at five because now my heart rate is, my heart's doing this because

it's hot from the sauna. It's like, then I'm trapping all this heat in. I get out, I'd run for a mile, 12 minutes. Now I'm at 27 minutes. Then I walk. I walk for 20 minutes on two. If I start, if my heart rate slowed, I would put a little bit of an incline, go to three, walk for 20 minutes. Now I'm at 47 minutes. I get off of the treadmill, go straight to the ground where they wrapped me for 13 minutes. And in those 13 minutes,

I'm hurting Joe. I'm hurting. I'm laying there. I mean, people are like rubbing me. They're like talking to me, trying to comfort me. But every time I took all that shit off, pool of blood, I'm sorry, pool of water, nine and a half, ten pounds. And I could tell based on my sweats. So I'd wear gray sweats, these gray Oklahoma State sweats. And if it came up to my calf, mid-calf, I knew I got the weight that I wanted. I don't know how.

I don't know how that sweat would come up on sweats. that I wanted. I don't know how. I don't know how that sweat would come up on sweats. But if it came up to my sweats on my leg and then up to my mid-form on my arms, I knew I'd lose the weight that I needed to lose. Wow. So the whole time I was like, and yeah, it just kind of starts right here.

And then as you're working, it just keeps creeping up your body. And then once you made it, what was the rehydration process like? Well, the best was before you decided when you could take IV. Right. That was the best. Why was that better? Joe, it beats your stomach. Like, the problem with rehydrating is it would mess with your stomach. Everything you drank would make your stomach hurt.

Everything you ate would make your stomach hurt. make your stomach hurt. Everything you ate would make your stomach hurt. So even if you made weight at four, you're not really eating a good meal till six because you got to get through like the cramps. You got to get through the diarrhea. You got to get through all this stuff that you did. So the IV was the best because while you're doing the IV, it's going directly into the blood. All that fluid is going right. It's passing this. It's just going into your body. So while you're doing that, you start to feel better. And I mean, the IV bag, Joe, was like, it was like a straight line.

It wasn't the drip. You know how it looks like it drips? Right. My body would just suck that water out of that bag. My body was like sucking that water out of that bag. It was a straight line down. How many bags did you take? Two. Wow. Sixteen pounds of IV. Wow.

And then they took it away from me. So then we had to start doing it another way. And the reason why is because you could use it to mask performance enhancing drugs? Yes. Is that it? That's what they say. That's what they say. Why don't they allow it from places that have, maybe there's a way to do a test before you do an IV.

Yeah. You know? Because it seems stupid to cut off the IV. The IV works. What if they had a thing where you had to say, hey, I'm planning on taking an IV. Will you guys come and test me before I take the IV?

That should be easy. That should be easy. And then you could get your IV. Well, they're getting tested anyways. Yeah, exactly. They're getting tested constantly. And this new organization, what is it? Drug Free Sport? Is that what it's called?

I don't know. I actually don't even know which one it is. There's a new organization, but Dana White speaks very highly of them. Yeah. I just wish they would allow guys to use things like BPC-157. The peptides. One of my buddies is really big on peptides. He said it's helping him. I just wish they would allow guys to use things like BPC-157. The peptides. One of my buddies is really big on peptides.

He said it's helping him. He said it's helping him a lot. I've never tried them, but. It can help you heal. Yeah. Guys are constantly injured. They're constantly dealing with pulled this and yanked that. If it could help my back.

I need something to help my back. My back is just messed up, man. After the surgeries? The life in wrestling, the surgery after the derrick lewis fight you told me you said dude you got to do this and i never got i just i went got a regular back surgery and i shouldn't have did i should have went and did something a little different yeah back surgery screws you you're done if your back goes out and fighting it's over can't train the same no there's been a few guys that have had discs replaced. Yeah, that's what I did.

My back was... Did you get it replaced? No, no. With a fake one or did they fuse it? Just to fuse it, yeah. My back is just jacked up, bro. Like, it's so bad. Some days I wake up, I'm like, this is crazy.

You ever see Diamond Dallas Page? Yeah. You see his yoga program? I heard it's really good. It's really good. You've tried it? I've done a lot of his exercises. Yeah. You see his yoga program? I heard it's really good. It's really good. You've tried it? I've done a lot of his exercises. Wow.

And he's developed it specifically for guys that are coming off of pro wrestling and their body's all beat up. Yeah. He's taken a lot of these guys and brought them back to health. Jake the Snake Roberts. I saw Jake the Snake Roberts right as he was starting. He looked bad. And now I see him, I'm like, this dude has rejuven i'm like this dude is rejuvenating he's a new man yeah he's a new man it's and you know when dallas came up with it he

you know his back was up yeah his back is like pretty bone on bone but because it's so strong and he does so much yoga like he has incredible flexibility wow he can just grab his foot and like do like a, like, a standing split. Yeah, man. He did it in front of us at the gym. Really? Didn't even warm up. Dude's in his 60s.

Diamond Dallas Page. Yeah. DDP. I used to like him, too. It was pretty amazing. Yeah. But maybe something like that. Have you ever thought about doing that?

I need to do some yoga. There's him right here. Yeah, look at him. That's crazy. Diamond Dallas Page. Yeah. Because of the diamond cutter. Look at that. Dude, that right here. Yeah, look at him. That's crazy. Diamond Dallas Page. Yeah. Because of the diamond cutter. Look at that.

Dude, that's got to suck, right? Like your whole life just falling on the ground. Oh, my God. That's terrible. Just dropping yourself backwards. Everybody's doing it. Yeah. Flipping through the air.

He teaches classes. Look at this. He's teaching NFL players. NFL players doing DDP yoga. He would have never thought that that would work out like that. No. How could you? How could you ever imagine that?

You can't. No. Pure luck. Al Jermaine's story about getting his disc replaced and come back and then defending the title against Piotr Jan is pretty wild. That's pretty wild. That was a bad— That's a bad— Anytime you start doing stuff with the neck.

Oh, yeah. Kevin Jackson was an Olympic gold medalist, and when his neck went, he couldn't beat the best young guys because it's too damaging, right? You're getting punched, and you're getting your head pulled down. Everything you do, you got to have strength in your neck. Yeah. He never could do it. But for Aljo to not only come back from the surgery, but beat the guy that was, he was dog walking Aljo.

That first fight, he was kicking his ass. And he came back against that same guy and beat him. And did it in a way that, for as much as people say, because people just don't like Aljamain, right? Because he fell and the way that the fight ended. He won that second fight. He dominated in the second round. And he won three rounds of that fight.

It's that simple. But he's an impressive athlete. But he's not a dude that kind of, he doesn't really get people to really come to support him. It's very weird. It's a hard one. I think it's because of the way he won the title by disqualification. People hate that. They said he fell down.

He got fouled. It was a bad one, too. It was a bad one. It was a knee to the face on the ground. It's a foul. It was a foul. It was a clear foul. But is he supposed to get up? That's the thing, right? It depends if he's concussed It was a clear foul. But is he supposed to get up?

That's the thing, right? It depends if he's concussed. If he's concussed, he shouldn't get up. Anthony Smith. Yeah. Anthony Smith. Yeah, he could have been the champ. Okay.

Yeah. So do you get up or do you kind of go, man, this shit's going sideways right now because he was down four rounds to zero. Yeah. Anthony Smith was sitting there and I don't know him. I know him, but I don't know what was in his mind. But there had to be a moment in there. Right?

Where Anthony went. Diego Sanchez did it. Remember Diego did it in Phoenix. He was losing to one of the Brazilian guys, and he got fouled. Diego's on the ground like, 29, 28. He's winning. Yep, I'm out. Diego's like, I'm out.

Take my dub. I'm good. But Anthony Smith, and if he stays down, right, Joe, he wins the belt. He fights Jones again. Now he's on the pay-per-view portion of it, gets paid more money. Even if he loses that belt, he got paid pay-per-view as the champ. Otherwise, you get told you're a beast for standing up, right? But then you lose.

The UFC moved on. Jon Jones just fought somebody else. He could have guaranteed himself another fight. It might seem coward, but what's the right way? What's the right way to do that? Because Al Jermaine did what he did. If Al Jones just gets up and continues, he wouldn't have got a rematch. He wouldn't have defended that belt three times. He wouldn't have fought O'Malley as the champ. he wouldn't have got a rematch. He wouldn't have defended that belt

three times. He wouldn't have fought O'Malley as the champ. He wouldn't have fought Cejudo. He wouldn't have fought Pioriano, and he wouldn't have fought TJ Dillashaw. He would have gotten none of that if he got up. So while he might have gotten people to dislike him, he still lived as the champion, made a boatload of money,

and he will always be remembered now as one of the better band-a-way champs in the world. And it's hard to compare fouls, right? Because you don't really know, like, how did, only Anthony Smith knows how he felt. Yep. And only Al Jermaine knows how he felt. Yes.

You can't, it's hard because, you know, like, every punch or every knee, they don't have the same impact on a person The one that hit Aljo Looked like devastating We were in the apex Too quiet We were in the apex it was real quiet Yeah play this

Bro that was mean. Bro, that was so bad. That was so bad. That's so bad. And to the temple. Yeah. Oh, my God. That's nasty.

Yeah. Yeah, Joe. It is as illegal. It's a no-brainer in terms of... Al Jermaine's gonna be upset, but he's gonna get... Oh, my God. Yeah, it's nasty. That's a bad one. It's a no-brainer in terms of belief. Al Jermaine's going to be upset. Oh, my God. Yeah, it's nasty. That's a bad one.

It's a bad knee. You can't expect a guy that probably got concussed. Look at Anthony Smith. Look at him. Let me see Anthony's. He's got one hand down. Yeah. He's still a system.

That's just a hand, but I mean, you know. He's got one hand down. Now, today. Switch knee. Under the new rules, wouldn't that be up? No, no, no. Any weight bearing, weight bearing is down. Weight bearing is down, but touching is not enough.

Touching is not enough. Playing the game is not enough, right? Like down, up, down, up, down, up. But weight bearing is down. And that was definitely weight bearing. That's weight bearing. Yeah. And watch.

Go back, and I want you to pause. Not yet, keep going. Keep going, keep going. When it gets to Anthony's face and pause. That's when Anthony was like, you know what man? If I just sit here and I don't do this no more

there's a possibility for me to get all this money and come back as the champ. And then his pride got in the way and he got up there and he finished the fight he was down three rounds to one at that time and he fought and I thought it was a mistake

because he took a legal knee but whatever it is what it is but I think when you look at these Jones got deducted a point and still won the fight comfortably that's how much he was ahead. Yeah.

So. Two points. He got a two-point deduction. Boom. And still won. Yeah. Crazy stuff, man. Yeah.

There's certain deductions. Like, who knows what kind of an impact that had. Yeah. Did he have a concussion? Is he too tough for his own good? If you get a concussion from an illegal shot, what are you supposed to do? Because now you're really vulnerable. That's the thing.

You can get hit and you can get KO'd easier. What's the right answer? You're already loopy. You know what's crazy is like I say this but i never was on the receiving end of a bad of a bad foul i probably would have just kept fighting i mean stipe poked me in the third fight and i just kept fighting right it's like i probably would have kept fighting i probably would have did the same thing which is crazy because it's what fighters do what they do it's got to clearly depend on how bad the shot is though because if you get fouled and knocked

unconscious and then you come back you're just gonna get knocked out yeah if you get knocked out that's why boxing right people always kind of scoff at me when i say boxing is more dangerous than mma oh how could you say that when they're only boxing and they're using their hands and they jump on you and they hit you on the ground when you fall? I said, I will argue with you that that's safer than you knocking me out. Bang. My body, which has been trained my whole life to get up, gets up. They count to eight or nine and they say, go back and fight more. When I'm still concussed, you have hit me so hard that you have knocked me down to the ground. Right?

I get up and then you continue to punch me in the head until one, I either fall down again and go to sleep completely, or we get to the end of the round where you come back and you punch me in the head again. In MMA, when you get knocked down or kicked in the head or whatever the case may be the guy jumps on you boom boom fights over fights over I don't have that recovery time to where I think my brain is okay I go fight more and then I get destroyed more I think boxing is a much more brutal sport, and I love boxing than mixed martial arts because of that. Because of that 10-second count to kind of clear the cobwebs or at least think you're clearing the cobwebs and then go out there and fight again.

Think about it. How fast? In that 10 seconds in most MMA fights when someone gets hurt to the point that they fall, that fight's over. Two seconds, three seconds, the guy jumps on him. If me and Stipe Miocic were fighting, right, I knock him down, and then I hit him with the two follow-up shots to end the fight, I would like to see how long that sequence took. Because if Stipe Miocic and I were fighting, and I did that to him in boxing,

for as bad as he was, he would get up, and I would get to him in boxing. For as bad as he was, he would get up and I would get to hit him again. Just like my knockdown on Stipe was no worse than when Deontay Wilder dropped Tyson Fury. Tyson Fury looked like a dead man walking. But because he's so tough, he sat himself up, got up and continued to fight. That was one of the craziest recoveries ever. How? How? How?

12th round. You look like you're out cold. He was done. And then he outboxed him for the rest recoveries ever. How? How? How? 12th round, you look like you're out cold. He was done. And then he outboxed him for the rest of the round. How? But again, in MMA, fight probably would have been over. And he would have took less damage. Right, but isn't that a better argument for letting him get up? Because Tyson Fury got up and then figured out how to beat Deontay Wilder in the second fight.

Yes, but he figured it out and was able to beat him as they went on. But in that fight on that night, all it would have taken was for Wilder to land one more. But in boxing, again, you get the hold, you get the pull in tight. There's a few seconds. But very rarely do we see it happen like it happened for Tyson Fury. Right. We see it on the other side of the spectrum when they get up and they get flatlined. Yeah, that does happen.

Because they're so good. The boxers are so good at finding that shot. MMA guys, we hurt you. We go running. We start throwing wide punches, loopy. Them boxing dudes are like, bing, bing. And they go find your chin and then you're like, just out cold. I'm telling you, man.

I'm smart. I'm fucking smart. I'm telling you man i'm telling you i'm smart i'm fucking smart i'm telling you i'm telling you i should be the commission bro we haven't talked that much about uh francis okay tyson fury yeah because how shocking was that that was crazy it was the craziest thing and guess what else you know why why because deontay wilder almost killed him he got up and he took more damage. And his brain might be... Tyson Fury has been hit by some of the most dangerous dudes in the world. Yes. And now you're getting hit by Francis?

Yeah. Who might hit harder than any of them? He might hit harder than all of them. Dude, Francis Ngannou knocked Tyson Fury down. And... He's an amateur, bro. This is his first ever professional fight. That's what's so crazy

you know what was so beautiful about that he actually countered him perfect he had his right hand up and he hit him with the little check left hook it was one of the most shocking is an understatement but Francis look at that

his technique was beautiful and that's Francis' off hand. That's not even his right hand. Crazy. What does that say about boxing though, Joe? I mean, at the lineal heavyweight champion of the world and the... The lineal UFC heavyweight champion. Yes.

But the lineal heavyweight champion in boxing, in just a boxing match, But the lineal heavyweight champion in boxing, in just a boxing match, was able to, Francis was able to compete with him as an amateur. Zero and zero. Zero. Zero and zero. He's an amateur. What does that say about boxing? I think it says more about Francis.

I think Francis is just a special dude. You don't think nobody else could do that? I don't imagine it. No, I don't think so either. I don't imagine it. I think Francis is just a special dude. You don't think nobody else could do that? I don't imagine it. No, I don't think so either. I don't imagine it. I think Francis is just a special dude. But we did see Conor fight Floyd. That's true. Right?

That's true. I mean, could Sean O'Malley fight Devin Haney? Yes. Right? Like he said he could. It could happen. Something like that can happen. Yeah.

100%. But that was surprising. That was surprising. I thought Tyson was going to beat him up a little bit. I really did believe Tyson Fury was going to beat him up. I could see Sean Strickland in a high-level boxing match. Sean Strickland's pretty good. Did you see Sean Strickland with that gun the other day?

How crazy is he? We were saying that karma brought that dude to Sean Strickland. I mean, Sean Strickland. He apparently beat up a woman and then drove drunk, crashed his car, abandoned his car, and was hiding in Sean Strickland's driveway. Of all the driveways to get stuck in. It's perfect. You end up Sean Strickland's driveway. And then Sean's like pushing him down.

Sean's like. This poor bastard. Look at this guy. He's trying to. And he's texting. Yeah, he's hiding in text. I think he's calling an Uber. Oh, my gosh.

Sean walks out there. Oregon's in his rip. I wonder what the guy was like. I wonder what he was thinking. Who is this guy with the gun? He shredded the fucking wheel of his car. He was beating up a woman and ended up in Sean's driveway.

That's unfortunate. That is unfortunate. The wrestling dude. Remember the wrestling dude that was on crack and tried to break into Anthony Smith's house? Oh, yeah. Anthony Smith just beat the shit out of him. It's so crazy. It's so crazy. Yeah. It's so crazy. It's so crazy.

Yeah. It's crazy. Yeah, some people make some unfortunate decisions. They just make mistakes. We were watching a video the other day of a guy who tried to break into a gun store. Why would you break into a gun store? That's just idiotic. He's trying to rob a gun store.

He's got two pistols. He moves into the gun store like this, and they just gun him down. They killed him. Instantly. He's just idiotic. He's trying to rob a gun store. He's got two pistols. He moves into the gun store like this, and they just gun him down. They killed him. Instantly. He's an idiot. Why would you rob a gun store? It's drugs, though. It has to be drugs.

You got to be on some sort of drug or not in your right mind. They wanted more guns, and they thought this is the way to get guns. Go rob the gun store. Yeah, that's absurd. You want more guns? I don't think they're thinking well. No, they're not. They're probably on drugs themselves. This is it. watch this these guys come in they hold guns that makes no

sense boom oh he's done that was fast yeah he's done oh look at this dude yeah that dude's that He walked in with a gun to try to rob a gun store. Yeah, this is crazy. So the guys walk in. He hears it. Draws. Boom. Yeah, the guy behind the counter here, the old man with the gray hair, he immediately reached for his piece.

Yeah. He hit him hard. He hit him right where he had to hit him. Look at the guy just fall backwards. He didn't shoot him in the leg. He didn't shoot him. Yeah, that's bad, man. Some people out there making some stupid decisions.

I mean, why would you do that? Why would you do that? I saw a video today on Twitter because I was in the middle i was in this fighter meeting and uh i don't know they were just kind of having a conversation like they were done talking about the fight so i kind of got on my phone i start playing on twitter and i was watching that another website i watch it's called morbid knowledge oh dude what is this one bro morbid knowledge it's crazy crazy. I'm fucked up, Joe.

Like, I get bored. It just popped up on my Twitter. And there were two airplanes. These people were, like, jumping out of the plane. The planes crashed. You can hear somebody go, oh, no. And then they fall off the wing, but they're all wearing parachutes because they were going to go and jump. But I mean, these two planes came together and then hearing a person go, oh no, was crazy.

But morbid knowledge is nuts. It says it'll show an x-ray of a person that might have gotten into a bad accident or something. It showed a picture one time, Joe, of a person whose body, they x-rayed the body when they had been hit by a train. Dude, it was crazy. The rib cage and everything, Joe, was it was crazy. I don't know where it popped up on my thing,

but once I saw it, I was like, oh my dude, they got a guy, they had a guy back in like the 30s. Bro, he was a big cat hunter. That was a bad son of a gun. And he was hunting with those old school guns. You know those old school guns where, dude, this dude,

they had like a fucking lion or a cheetah was just killing people in this village in Africa or in England. I mean, it was killing. It was a man eater. It's called the man eater of something. So this guy would hunt. They brought this old dude from Europe down there to track this this animal

This dude tracked this animal between three different like cities in this area and finally got that son of a gun Because he shot it and it was trying to attack him to kill him. He was running out of but it sounded like a movie But it had his whole story morbid knowledge I'm telling you go Go listen to it. Like, look at it. Some of it's kind of gross, but some of it's pretty intriguing. Isn't that one, what that movie was based on, The Ghost in the Darkness? Oh, my God.

Did you see that? That's a great movie. What a crazy movie. It's a great movie, man. There's nothing scarier than lions hunting people. Oh, my God. Just a lion waiting for you. I watch them, even if they're a little bit cor corny because I'm like, oh, this is crazy.

That's what it's called. That's the exact movie. It's based on it. That was Val Kilmer and Michael Douglas, right? Yeah. It's based on that guy's story. Yeah. But dude, you watch these, there's some of these sites, like that other one that I said,

Nature's Metal. Like that other one that I said, nature is metal. It'll show an eagle just floating, and it'll just fucking swoop down and grab some shit. And it don't matter what it is. If that eagle decides that it wants to eat that thing, it's going to take it. Dog, pig, squirrel, and it just rips it apart. Eagles are like so sick in terms of an animal. They fly above you.

They decide what they're going to take. And they just take it. And they pull salmon out of the river. They pull salmon out of the river. How do they see it? They see the reflection. Catched. The little body.

And they just pull them up. Yeah. And they just rip you apart. It's a weird animal to have as our national animal. Because it's a ruthless raptor. It's a ruthless. It's a killer. It's as our national animal it's because it's a ruthless it's a ruthless it's a it's a killer it's a killer but it looks majestic oh it does oh it looks so good i'm like dude but it fucks you up have you ever seen harpy eagles no what is that harpy eagles live in south america and they eat sloths and monkeys really they're They're fucking giant. They're big? They're huge. See if you can find them.

What is it called? I think it's called a harpy eagle. Harpy eagle? Am I saying it wrong? No. It is, right? Jeez. It's this giant white-looking eagle that there's all these videos of them swooping down and

snatching these sloths. Because these poor sloths, they can't fucking... Oh, look at this thing. Look at his face. He's got crazy feathers on his head. Look at those talons. Yeah. See if there's any...

Yeah, that's what they look like. God, that thing's huge. See if there's any footage of them snatching somebody. That's all this video is. Yeah. Oh, there it is. Because that's all they do. Look at this sloth.

They swoop in and snatch sloths. Oh, my God. What a fucking mismatch. It's called Death from Above. I was trying to find a video. I saw a video on Twitter of an eagle carrying a squirrel, and it drops it, and it swoops down and catches it. In the air before it fell?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was sick. I'm trying to find it right now. Dude, I'm telling you. I watch crazy. I watch stuff like that. Because, I mean, when you're just sitting around and when you finally get a moment, and you grab your phone, some weird shit pops up there, and then you're just stuck.

Yeah. The next thing you know, you've passed 30 minutes watching just crazy-ass videos. Watching eagle videos. Eagle videos. Lions. Tigers. Have you ever seen the videos of the eagles taking the sheep and throwing them off the cliffs? No.

Yeah. Throw them off the cliff to kill them and then go eat them. Yeah. Please show me that. They take goats. They take sheep. They can pick up a goat. Yeah, they just pick you up enough to throw you over the edge.

Oh, my goodness. Please show me that. I want to see that bad. Oh, there they go right there. They do ruthless shit, man. They grab them and throw them off the cliff. I mean, how much thinking does that involve that's that's one of the things that i was uh about animals right there's so get them

look at this oh my gosh drag them down and then he's carrying this one oh wow god that's so strong that's insane that's so strong that That's insane. That's so strong. That's insane. They're running. These goats are running because they know, like, hey, death is coming from above. He flew with that baby goat. Can you believe that? How heavy is that?

That eagle probably only weighs like 10 pounds. No, I know. How much do they weigh? I don't think they weigh much, man. Look at this. Just jacks this goat. Like, come here, bitch. Look how much bigger the goat is than him't think they weigh much, man. Look at this. Just jacks this goat. Like, come here, bitch. Look how much bigger the goat is than him.

Oh, that goat's done. He's just dragging him down the hill. Wait, look at the other ones trying to help. Yeah, isn't that nuts? Oh, yeah, but... Look at the ride he's on. He won't let go. He's, like, surfing.

But even that, right? Like, when I see these animals on the side of the hill, I know you hunt. Oh, he's done. He didn't crash them into the... Also, how's that eagle not fucked up? The eagle doesn't even have a broken wing. Like, look, he's still on them. He's like, fuck you, I ain't letting go.

Jeez. He's like, I'm gonna get you, bitch. I mean, this is like the wildest bull riding ever. This is crazy. I mean, but that... Whatever that is under him is going crazy, flipping, turning. Look at that. He's just bouncing off the rocks, and he won't let go.

I think the goat wins this one. No way. He got away from it. That eagle's jacked. That eagle's dead. That eagle's fucked. That eagle's dead. Is that the end of it?

Oh, yeah. That eagle's dead. Wow. He took on the wrong challenge there. He fucked up. I bet he's done it before, though. He's done it before. That's not like the first time he grabbed a goat. You don't make that type. I bet he's done it before, though. He's done it before. That's not like the first time he grabbed a goat. You don't make that type of mistake unless you've done it before and it's worked.

Yeah, that looked like a lot of broken bones. A lot of broken bones for that eagle. Oh, man. We're so lucky we don't live in that world. In that world. This eagle almost takes a little girl. Oh, I've seen that before. Oh, my goodness, no.

Yeah, that's crazy. It tried to take the kid? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So what happened? Someone comes to help. I mean, it looks like it was his eagle because he's got the falconers. Yeah, he dressed like that. The eagle tried to take the kid.

Oh, my God. Imagine that kid's fucking horror. Where is this, though? Oh, the kid's bleeding. Kyrgyzstan. Oh, Jesus. Oh, yeah, you see, that's the problem. Get your shit together, Kyrgyzstan.

That's the problem. Those tough people over there, man. Yeah, that's some tough people, man. How crazy has it been watching all these dudes from Dagestan just invade MMA and dominate? I knew it. Because in wrestling, they've been around. So I was like, when I was about to start fighting and when I started fighting, I said, man, when these Russian dudes from these regions start to come,

it's going to be a problem. Because you know how good they were as wrestlers, right? What's going to happen when these guys come into fighting? Right. And it's the same thing. You know, we were talking in the back about Alexander Karelin. I looked at that picture and I go, hey, that was a bad dude. Just a monster.

A monster. Monster. And there have been many of them. Bolvasar Satiev. All these great Russian athletes that are just crazy. There was one guy that beat me in the Olympic semifinals. His name was Hajimurad Gutsalov. We're lucky that's not a bitch didn't fight because he would have beat everybody.

And Jon Jones included. Every one of them would have got their ass whipped by that dude. Really? He was good, bro. He wrestled me at the Olympic Games and he beat all of us, though. He beat me. He beat Kel Sanderson. He beat Kyle Snyder. He beat all the us though he beat me he beat kel sanderson he beat kyle snyder he beat all

the best americans for a long time he wrestled from my olympic cycle all the way to kyle snyder who won the 2020 olympic games that guy beat him this dude was so fast he was so good i brought him in to train with me for john Jones. My strength coach told me he would try to break him. He said, Daniel, I would try to break this guy. He goes, I would give him all of my workouts. He goes,

and then I would add, just to try to see how far he would go. He said, no matter what I did, he never stopped, he never got tired, and he goes, he always wanted to do more. He never questioned anything. And that dude, that's why the dude was like a six-time world champion, Olympic champion, everything.

He was the best, man. And we're just lucky he didn't fight because all of us would have no accomplishments. Did you have any video of this dude? His name is Gatsalov, G-A-T-S-A-L-O-V. He was good, man. He was so fast. He was so fast. He was so strong. His motion, his movement.

These dudes were, I knew that if guys like that started fighting, they would be a problem. And that's exactly what they've become. I mean, look at him. This is the guy right here. It's him. We were training. This dude was just hitting me with all kinds of stuff.

I actually, like, and we're sweating, too. He just never stopped, bro. The guy was just tremendous in everything he did. So I would have to set my mind every day going into the room like I was about to wrestle in the Olympic Games

because I knew how hard it would be to try to go with this cat. Then he would be beating on these dudes in MMA. He'd take against the wall like it was impossible to take him down. But look at this, though, Joe. Everybody would just watch. Dude taking me down. He got the UFC cameras.

I'm like, yo, cut that, cut that, cut that. I'm like, cut it, cut it, cut it. This is some wild scrambles. Oh, you got him? I got one, but that was like, that's probably the only one I got for a month. And then at times I thought he might be letting me. I'm like, yo, are you letting me score, man? Because I wrestled you in competition and I ain't never scored.

But I mean, he was just too good, Joe. I mean, he beat me in the Olympics and my finals. He beat everybody. Did you ever talk to him about his interest in MMA? I asked him. He was like, I don't really want, I want to wrestle. And now he's the head of the Russian Wrestling Federation. He's the coach now.

So I said, dude, sometimes I'm embarrassed to say some of the shit I do, but my kids on my wrestling team, this team now has all my youth club kids. They all wrestled for me in middle school. When they were seventh and and 8th grade, they were doing their homeschool year. So reclassifying is a big thing in sports now. Where if you and I are supposed to graduate in 1998,

we will reclassify to graduate in 99. Bro, I took those kids when they were in 7th and 8th grade and I sent them to Dagestan for a month. They took all of their school work and they them to Dagestan for a month. They took all of their school work and they went to Dagestan and Moscow for a month.

Like 8 or 9 kids with 2 parents. I sent them to Russia, bro. That's crazy. The fact that their parents actually listen to me is crazy. Because they're like, yo, you're out of your mind. We're not sending our 13 year old kids to Russia. They sent them, bro. We put them in some big jackets.

And I said, hey, I know if we want to be the best, they got to be by these guys. And so we sent them. And Khabib had them in his gym every day. Wow. He bought it. And Khabib is a great guy, right? He bought hotels for them. He'd feed them.

He said, just get them here. And, dude, they trained for a month they told me they said coach we practice with you he goes in Dagestan it's training because it's in the morning it's in the midday and it's in the evening you're training all day long practices he said these kids told me Joe that they do about 30 minutes of gymnastics before they start practice. Gymnastics. For the flexibility

and body discipline and body control and everything. So they're flipping and doing all kinds of stuff before they ever got to wrestling. They're working, they're operating at a different level. That's why you see Mahachev being who he is. Makhachev is crazy. Bro, the way he adjusted to Volkanovski in the second fight was pretty special.

Yeah. The use of that left leg, left leg to the body, and then the high kick. The way he set that up, man, all the possible endings to that fight that you could have seen. Never thought that. Never thought like that. Like a KO. Crazy. And we thought when we saw Habib, right, that was the complete version of a Russian fighter.

Then you see Islam and he possesses all those same skills with the striking. With the striking. So what about the next one? What about the next one? Because there's going to be another one. Yeah. What about the next one? What about the next one? Because there's going to be another one. Yeah. What about the next guy? Right.

Right? It's like they're just getting better and better. Now that they know that these guys from that region are, like, if you're a kid and you're growing up in that region, now you know, oh, I can follow that same path. I can do MMA. Right? It doesn't have to just be wrestling or they do Sambo, which is as perfect a base for mixed martial arts as you can find. Yeah.

Because they're punching and kicking each other and stuff already and grappling and doing everything. It's a very good base. It's a little weird that they're wearing a jacket. They're wearing the gi. Yeah, they're wearing the gi top, shorts. And shoes. At least they're –

Some of them. You and I agree. Wrestling is the gi. Yeah, they're wearing the gi top. Shorts. And shoes. At least they're... Some of them. You and I agree. Wrestling is the foundation. Yes. Because of the training and everything else. But in terms of what closes with the kind of striking or at least the playing of the striking in the ensemble, that's as good in terms of preparing you for mixed martial arts. Yes.

Yeah. Yeah, definitely. It's awesome. I got that little preparing you for mixed martial arts. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. It's awesome. I got that little rant you go on about wrestling. That plays daily in my school. Oh, really? Yeah. They love that.

The kids love that. Because it's the truth. It's the truth. If you want to build a strong foundation, even just as a human being, wrestling is where you figure out how tough you are, how much you can push, how much you can deal with discomfort.

No one trains harder than wrestlers. I think everybody should wrestle, and I think everybody should have some sort of fight in their life. One. Some sort of fight. It could be in a gym, a sparring match. I'm talking a fight.

It could be sparring. I think every human being, if they do themselves justice, has some sort of interaction against another human being where it's a bit of a fight. You have to. I think once you do that you can do anything. Because then you're not afraid. You cannot

be afraid, man. That's like my biggest thing to my kids is like you cannot be afraid. Because people smell that shit on you. If you're afraid people smell that shit on you and they treat you a certain way. You cannot be afraid. I smell that shit on you if you're afraid people smell that shit on you and they treat you a certain way you cannot be afraid i think everybody should have at least one sort of fight whether it's sparring whether it's an exhibition fight whether it's a high intensity jujitsu match whether it's a high intensity wrestling match i think you should have some

sort of competition in your life that pits you against another individual. I think we all need it. Imagine if we had that as mandatory service in the country. Yeah. We'd be stronger as a country. But imagine if, you know how Xi Jinping is trying to make China more manly? What's he doing? No, I haven't.

I don't know. They're trying to promote more manliness in China. If someone tried to do that in America and they said, well, the way we're going to implement this is we're going to have mandatory combat sports participation for all males.

At some point in your life you do that. Could you imagine if they did that? Hey, I'm telling you, we'd be better for it. I think we would. We would be better for it. I think we would. We would be better for it. I think we would. Because then, let's see this.

Two years ago, the country censors began to blur earnings and colored hair on male celebrities. Oh, earrings, sorry. Earrings and colored hair on male celebrities

appearing on television. Earlier this year, the education ministry announced a plan to cultivate masculinity in schoolboys boys including hiring more gym teachers and promoting sports but it says after america right after america must be trying to it's china's turn to worry about masculinity so they're saying that our country is right click on that what is that saying Right?

Click on that. What is that saying? It's a strange thing to say. After America, right? If you follow the disastrous denouement of America's two-decade occupation in Afghanistan, is that the word? Did I say that word right? No idea what that is. I don't know what that word is.

Have you wondered why the world's only superpower has an affliction for distant wars? What is it that compels it to drag its military halfway across the world's only superpower has an affliction for distant wars why is it what is it that compels it to drag its military halfway across the world what is the origin of its interventionalist instincts what is he saying here reading a lot into this

but it's saying that it's saying look in his scheme of things okay here it is it's about Roosevelt in Roosevelt's scheme of things. Okay, here it is. It's about Roosevelt. In Roosevelt's scheme of things, imperialism was a necessary manly duty that American men needed to take up or risk letting the reins of global power be seized by a more manful race. Sickly and asthmatic in his childhood, Roosevelt had continued to endure attacks on his manliness into his youth as he started out in politics with newspapers lampooning his high-pitched voice and dandy clothes oh yeah dandy clothes

for the exquisite Mr. Roosevelt forceful public exhortions to wage foreign wars was an exercise in radical image makeover oh interesting so so they were saying they were picking on his manliness so he decided to go wage wars yes they bullied him they bullied him right but hey you know what stops bullying you know what stops bullying you knowing how to defend yourself yeah right and that's why i mean the chinese they said they're not showing colored hair or earrings anymore. But if we are all forced to wrestle or do jujitsu or do boxing, at least early in our lives, you develop that foundation for strength. You develop that foundation for standing up for yourself you the you develop the the foundation for not just accepting things that shouldn't happen it really is uh i think everybody

should have it man i think it's so good for you to have that experience where you stare across from another human being and you know that it will be on you with no weapons yeah to go out and win whether it's pinning them, whether it's submitting them, whether in a boxing, it's like outpointing them in a boxing fight. I think that we should all have some sort of competition with another human being. I think it was real good for me. I think it's real good for a lot of people.

I don't want to say that everybody should do it, but most people should do it. Where would it hurt? Where would it hurt? Tell me what it would hurt for someone to do it, but most people should do it. Think about it, though, Joe. Where would it hurt? Where would it hurt? Tell me what it would hurt for someone to do a jiu-jitsu match or a wrestling match or a boxing match. You could get injured. I'm talking you do it young, though. Yeah.

If you wait until you're, like, my age, maybe we get hurt. But young. If you're in elementary school, it's like, okay, for a month you gotta do wrestling. I think that was one of the things in school, most schools don't even have wrestling anymore. Is that true? Yeah, a lot of kids,

they don't have teams. Let's have jujitsu in schools. Let's have these things in schools. I think, I've said this many times, I think that would stop bullying. I think we put these in schools. Let's have these things in schools. I think, I've said this many times, I think that would stop bullying. I think we put these in schools and just give these kids a month. Let me say it wouldn't stop bullying.

I think it would significantly reduce episodes of bullying. And I think if we did jujitsu and those sports in school, even for young girls, they're safer. Yes. Right? For sure. They understand how to defend themselves i think it's so important 100 yeah yes everyone should know something everybody should know something

about combat because you're not always going to have the ability to get to something to help you exactly you got to be able to do it with your hands and with your feet and everything else and it's just a better thing to have and not need than to need and not have. Yes. Could you imagine? Could you imagine not having? So I walk around the world unafraid. How comforting is that? To be able to know that no security, no anything. If push came to shove, you could at least defend yourself enough to be safe.

And your family. You could take care of them enough to be safe because of the skills that you've attained over the course of your life that's comforting yeah to be able to walk around the world like that you watch those instagram videos the same ones i watch dudes who have no idea what the fuck they're doing they're getting these crazy brawls dude it's crazy they have no skill at all they hurt themselves swinging wild at each other and you're like my god if someone knew how to fight, you would be so fucked right now. Yeah, you're done. And every now and then you find

one where someone does know how to fight. And they get hurt bad. There was these two dudes tangling outside of a bar on a security camera and this one dude just got up and kept fucking with this guy and this guy just starts, dink, dink, dink. He grabs him, uppercuts him, drops him. Yeah, it's over. Yeah, I mean, he beat the fuck out of this dude

and he knew what he was doing. The average guy average guy can't no fight no the average guy can't fight when they're drunk which is crazy i saw one dude unleash a head kick on a dude outside of a bar one time that was bad landed put his ass clean out backwards oh my god i swear it was crazy was it a good kick it was a beautiful kick. I thought he was good. The guy was good. The guy was like, stop. I don't want to fight. Calm down.

It's all good, man. It's not a problem to do that. He's like, come on, man. Stop, stop. Dude kind of swung at him. Dude takes a step. He kind of goes, bang. Head kick.

Dude went forward. I was like, ooh, he went forward. It's over. He's really out. When they go forward, they're really out. So many guys die like that. He went forward. I was like, ooh, he went forward. It's over. He's really out. When they go forward, they're really out. So many guys die like that. He went forward. So many guys die.

They hurt themselves. They get hurt. Yeah. Banging their head off the concrete. He went forward. Everybody started panicking around him, too. Like, oh, my God. That's why you can't mess with people, man.

You should never mess with people. I don't mess with nobody, Joe. No. I literally just walk around trying to live in my own world, man. Yes. I'm happy. I hope you're happy like let's just all just live in this it's not reality people tell me it's not reality the world you live in i'm like well it's better than trying to live in a world that's just awful yeah well it's you have some effect on the people around you for sure yeah and if you live life happy you have a better effect on the people around you, for sure. Yeah. And if you live life happy, you have a better effect on the people you run into.

But there's a reality that you could always run into the wrong people. Yeah, for sure. That's real. They're just bad people. They got bad people. Like, some people are bad people, man. They're bad people.

I'm like, God, you're a bad person. And historically, that's always been the case. There's always historically been bad people. Just evil mugs, too. Well, people that have been mostly, it's people that have been fucked over themselves. Yes. Mostly it's kids that were raised by horrible people and horrible environments and they become that. That's most of it.

I watched. I don't know how many people come out of the womb bad. No, no, no, no. You know what I'm saying? You're formed. You're formed. I watched those. I was watching one on uh 2020 the other day dude i'm old now because i'm like watching 2020 and shit i used to get so mad at my mom

i guess he's on tv still yeah dude it's on tv they're in season 45 at least do you watch tv oh i watch like a little netflix every now and then yeah h. Or HBO or something like that. No, I love TV. TV. Like with commercials. I want to watch a commercial. You're so crazy. I'm like a nostalgia guy, bro. I'm like-

Really? You remember there was a time whenever we could not fast forward the commercial? I remember it all. I remember I got a TiVo. Yes. You remember TiVo? Yes, I do. And you could pause TV.

You could pause TV? I'm like, this is crazy. You could pause your TV. Mind blown. And then they started implementing it into direct TV. We could just pause the feed. Pause it right now. This is incredible.

Go to the kitchen. Pause. Incredible. Come back. I got to take a leak. Pause. Pause. Like, unreal.

Yeah, you don't have to run back in. What happened? I want to watch a commercial. And commercials work on me, too. Seriously, bro. I'm like the guy that buys shit off of commercials I'm like yo I gotta see this because I'm like oh my god this is real

but I'm watching 2020 on TV because I want to watch I fast forward some but I watch one called The Dating Game Killer bro The Dating Game Killer I heard about this one

dude was a serial killer back in the 70s and he was on the dating game he was on how that's a bad person knowing he's got that many bodies out there and he's on national television how many people had he killed before he got on the bro he killed a number he killed a woman way back. Dude, could you imagine? Growing up back, like being an adult in the 60s and 70s, nuts. There is no internet. There is no cell phones. Women that were out there in the world were at risk for serial killers because you couldn't track them.

This woman and her husband, our boyfriend, had went up to like Montana. The boyfriend got mad at her, left her, just left her. This guy picks her up, kills her. They don't find her till like 2000. And she was, when they found her, they found that she was pregnant at the time. He killed her and he killed a number of other ones. And then he went on the dating game show. He was a bad guy.

And then. You can find that video. Bro. The guy on the dating game. The dating game killer is what he was called. I remember he looked real. He looked scary too, didn't he? And then, bro, they caught.

Look at him. Look at him. They caught him because he was trying to take a little girl from a school. A joke. And when they caught that, when they finally got this dude at the end, Joe, they met him in jail because he had been rotten in jail for years. Look at all these women he got. Look at all these women he got. Oh, my God.

He was just a bad guy. Jamie, can you go back to him talking? Can I hear him talking? This is the Inside Edition report. Yeah. Can you see if? That guy looked really good. she picked him Joe Joe imagine people were laughing at that back can you believe you believe that? I'm called the banana. Some of this shit on TV was crazy.

It looked really good. Everyone's like, ha ha ha ha ha. He said the banana. That gal was going to get killed by this guy, but when they set them up on the date, she goes, he's very creepy. I don't like him. They said when they went to see this

dude and he's dying in jail and they start bringing up these women that they had found. They said it was almost like he was going to a place of euphoria because even though he was like on his deathbed and he couldn't move, he was thinking back to those times. That's a bad guy. Oh, my God. He's on the thing, literally losing his mind because he's thinking of killing this woman or doing what he was doing to these ladies. It's nuts, bro. That's a bad guy.

They let him act as his own attorney in his third trial, and he self-examined himself for four or five hours. Oh, my God. Yeah. Dude, 2020. I'm telling you. You're allowed to do that? I mean, this might be one of the last times.

I don't know. Are you allowed to do, like, whatever you want? If you're out of your fucking mind? If you're your own attorney and you're out of your mind. What? You're going to be your own attorney, you dumb fuck? I remember there was a guy that killed a bunch of people on the subway in Long Island, and then he acted as his own attorney, too.

They lose every time. And so he was questioning the witnesses. He's like, bitch, you shot me. What the fuck are you talking about? You fucking shot me. You're lying. Yeah. Really?

The defendant says that- Oh my God. What are you saying to defend? That's you, bitch. You fucking shot me. But that's just somebody that's really messed up. Yeah, crazy, crazy people. But they're like formed.

They're not born like that. No, I mean. At least I don't think so. Who knows what they're born like. There is problems. People do have mental illness that runs in families. Yeah, they do. That's real, man.

They do. I know people that have it. It's weird. It's very weird. It's weird because it's like if you don't have it and then you see other people that do have it, you go, whoa, what is that like? What is schizophrenia like? Yeah. I know people that are out there.

Really? Out there. I've never met anybody with that. I know people that come back, and they start acting normal again, and they go out there again, and you never know which one you're going to get when you talk to them. That's not good. Yeah, not good. Or manic. When a person's manic, that's when they're really struggling.

Yeah, this is the guy. Oh, my God. The one thing I noticed was I could hear shots being fired already. Solomon Butler is that man accused of shooting at Clements. Look at his head. Not it? I don't think this is the one. Wait, did you see that guy's head?

Did that guy get shot in the head? Oh, my God, he did. No. In court, the injury to Butler's head was obvious. Officer Clements. Wow. Wow, I've never seen anything like that. He's missing a chunk of his head. I've never seen anything like that. He's missing a chunk of his head.

I've never seen anything like that. I've seen a few things like that. Really? Yeah, people survive gunshot wounds and half their head's missing. Half of their head's missing. Yeah, and they can still function somewhat. People can live in a lot of different circumstances where a lot of stuff's missing. It's crazy that they're still alive.

That's crazy. That was nuts. His whole inside of his head's dented in. So where's his brain? That part's probably not there anymore. That part of his brain is gone. So I guess the rest of the brain has to pick up

the slack or something. Wow. Or part of your body doesn't work well. That's so crazy. That's a freaky looking image there. This was a different one, but it doesn't matter,. That's so crazy. Oh, yeah. That's a freaky-looking image there. Yeah. This was a different one, but it doesn't matter, Jamie. All right, that's fine. It was a subway killer in Long Island.

Yeah, man. Serial killer. There's a lot of fucked-up dudes out there. Women love serial killer shows. Why? Weird, right? It's so weird, because they're... But can a serial killer exist today? Yes. You think so? Yeah, they exist. can a serial killer exist today? Yes.

You think so? Yeah, they exist. No chance. There's active serial killers. Yeah. How? With all the stuff, like with the DNA and the videos and the cameras and the phones and the tracking. Well, you have to have people looking for you, first of all, right?

So you have to have left some sort of evidence to begin with. Yeah. Well, you're right. There was a guy named Henry Lee Lucas, and there's a movie made about him called Henry, Portrait of a Serial Killer. I'm going to watch that. And they don't know how much of this guy's story is true because apparently he took credit for a lot of murders that he couldn't have done.

Yeah. But he definitely killed a lot of people as well, and they would just pick people up randomly. They would drive around the country randomly, find someone and kill them. That's so bad. And if you do that randomly, it's hard to catch people.

Yeah. Like if it's your ex-husband and he's been following you, tracking you, and you wind up dead, they look to the ex-husband. Yes, for sure. The ex-husband's been stalking her,

there's some shit going on. And then you break them down into questioning. But if it's just a random, if someone just pulls up to a bus stop and shoots someone waiting for the bus and then gets back in their car and drives off and no one sees it. Yeah. Most times there is like a, it's weird, right? Somebody like is watching because there was another guy that I watched. He was robbing a person of a drug deal or something. And the cops were questioning all the people and said, has anybody seen anything unfamiliar? There was a white van parked and this lady next door was like,

was it this white van? She just had a picture. And it was what led to the guy getting caught. Wow. Because the lady was, it was 2 in the morning, and she was randomly like up, which I don't understand why, and she saw a white van parked outside. She took a photo.

Wow. And she gave him the license plate of the van that the people were using. So it's like, it feels like if you're doing something wrong, for the most part, somebody's going to witness it. Well, the thing is, yeah, you're very likely to get caught. Yeah. Right?

Especially if they go looking for you. But there's some, there was this one dude that studied, did he study, did he go to school for criminal, he went to school for something to learn the laws so he could be a better serial killer what yeah and he he stabbed a bunch of people in this house it was it like a sorority house or a dorm house yeah yeah so this guy they think he killed some people in western uh in in the this guy, they think he killed some people in the western states too.

They think he killed some people in, I think it was Washington. Some people turned out missing that it seems like. So this guy was studying, he was pursuing a PhD in criminology. Yeah. So he's like studying crime while he's a fucking serial killer look at his fucking eyes look at his eyes look at his eyes

can you see in a person that okay this dude's a little messed up can you see that because there are people that there are people that say they can read people's energy and go this person's energy is off some people have off energy for sure you can feel it yeah you could feel with some people do you feel like they're evil though have you ever been around someone and go this

dude's a little evil man i don't think of the word evil i just think screwy like this is something wrong here this is a facade yeah wild shit going on behind the surface yeah you know and you can't really tell from a photo that but the photo does look crazy that guy the way he was looking at his attorney but i bet if you looked in his eyes like crazy eyes crazy eyes yeah you can i can't i don't know if i could do that i don't know if i could read a person's energy because i'm always trying to take the person for who they present themselves to be that's probably one of my worst it's probably like a problem well because you're real friendly yeah i always want to take you want everybody to be laughing and smiling i want to

take everybody as what you what you give me is what i'm going to accept you as until you show me something different and then yeah it's done it just there's every now and then you get around a shyster yeah every now and then you get around some dude who's scamming people around you yeah and you're like what is going on with that dude what's happening here but like right now like here's here's what here's my what i always wonder right and i know why like when you enjoy going to the ufc because it's just like people that we've all known forever right it's like we're all just calling the fights right life has to be pretty difficult at times because have you ever have you made new friends recently

like have you can you make new friends yeah you can make new friends can you actually make new friends and not and see that these people aren't having ulterior motive? No. There's good people out there. Really? Yeah. And you can still trust them in your position today? You have to have friends, man.

But new friends? Yeah. I mean, look. What was the last new friend you think you made? How many years? I've made new friends in Texas. I've been here for three years. When did you start your Spotify thing? Three years ago. And you've made new friends since then? I've made new friends in texas i've been here for three years when did you start your spotify thing

three years ago and you've made new friends i've made new friends yeah really yeah and they're good people nice people yeah huh i'm just saying i'm just because for me it's like i don't know joe i swear like, I don't know. Joe, I swear, Joe, I don't know if I see people react any weirder than when they're around you. They get all giddy and shit, man. Right? But it's like hard. It's like hard when you get to a certain level to really make new friends. Because like you said, shysters are everywhere.

Things get weird, but there's still good people out there. Yeah. Yeah, there's still people that are just regular people. Generally, the people that I become friends with, they do things that I do as well. Yeah. Whether it's archery or whether it's jujitsu or whether it's comedy or people like that. Yeah. You know, it's generally.

You obviously don't hang around just in like, you don't hang around in the same places that we did when the UFC first started blowing that. Yeah. You know, it's generally. But you don't, obviously, don't hang around just in like, you don't hang around in the same places that we did when the UFC first started blowing up. No. So you're not around the shysters. No, I'm, no, not as much. No, but there's always some people around, right, that are trying to like do deals and fucking, you know, sell crypto.

There's always some weirdos. Yeah, I know, it's crazy. Yeah. It's the craziest thing. Yeah, I was kind of one to that, right? When you come up to the fights and we're all having a great time and then we kind of go back on our life and sometimes we text about the fights and it's awesome. But then I'm like, I wonder if Joe has more friends that aren't guys from back in the

day like us, right? Like that know it's just Joe. Well, I certainly have a lot of friends that I'm still friends with from back in the day. Yeah, but it would seem hard. It's weird. But good friends are always good friends. And once you make a good friend,

oh, it's so perfect, right? They're just the best. And you gotta be a good friend. That's one thing I'm not the best at. You're not? At times. What are you talking about? Bro, sometimes I'm not a great friend.

Why? What did you do wrong? I just kind of be fucking up man like i started sometimes i'm not a great friend it sucks like and sometimes i have to catch myself not being a good friend right like so i'll do things that i want to do and then a lot of my friends will do things that i want to do so I have to sometimes consciously make an effort to do things my friends want to do. Oh, okay. Right? Because it's not always, you're not a great friend if you're only doing things that you want to do. True.

Right? So it's like, and then I got into this weird phase where I only hung out with people that I knew would only do what I want to do. Then you become a tyrant. The equipment manager at Oklahoma State. Everybody else is hanging out. I'm hanging out with the equipment manager because it doesn't matter what I want to do. He's going to agree to it.

When I went to Oklahoma State, like when I went to AK, I'm hanging out with these random guys because they're always wanting to do what I wanted to do. But then ultimately, I started hanging out with Kane and guys because they're always wanting to do what I wanted to do but then ultimately I started hanging out with Kane and all those guys and obviously when Kane got into his situation right to be a good friend I gotta go into that jailhouse to sit with him and talk to him and try to like support him as best I can yeah and that's being a good friend yeah at times I might not have done that like I wouldn't have done that right I would have called had him

if he called I would answer right and thought that that was enough but that's not enough to be a good friend you got to like really be a good friend because I've got some great friends and I've got some great friends from childhood and it was it's like having a good it's the best man when you get good friends like it's the best yeah people that don't have good friends I feel fucking terrible for them that sucks yeah it's not good

it's not you gotta be having a good time with everybody everybody yeah and most most people are pretty cool man like there's bad people but I've been lucky I've been around some pretty cool people in my life. John Anik's a cool fucking guy. He's a cool fucking guy. John Anik's a cool guy.

He's the best. He's the best, bro. Ever. Ever. He's 100% the GOAT. How does he do a job with us? Sometimes we're literally just talking. Yeah.

And then John's like, this fight is brought to you by Toyo Tires. And he's like, all right, go ahead, boys. He's got to Toyo Tires and he's like alright go ahead boys he's gonna do the real work he's like go ahead boys we go on tangents like tangents and then John's like alright back to you boys

yeah but how fun is it it's the best man I look forward to it so much we do commentary every single show we're always gonna have fun every single show we have the best vibe

the three of us and then with Megan too yeah and Megan too it's great and then Dean it's the great vibe yeah it's awesome it's awesome man dean's funny man i don't want to do any of that shit you guys are doing i just chime in every now and again that's what i like he's got an ass got on always he's looking all good no one dresses better

then he starts disrespecting dude i'm like dean that's disrespectful man well the problem is he he's holding his hands too low he don't look like you know what he's doing out. I'm like, Dean, that's disrespectful, man. Well, the problem is he's holding his hands too low. He don't look like he know what he doing out there. I'm like, oh my goodness, Dean. But he's giving his honest opinions. He's cornering Sean Brady this weekend. Oh, interesting. Yeah, that's an interesting big get for Sean Brady. Bro, Kelvin Gastelum at 170.

I had a conversation with him at the comedy store one night. Really? And I said, this is after he knocked out Bisping. Oh, he knocked, yeah. I said, I go, dude, I go, you're fucking people up at 185. I think you're a world champion at 170. Go back down. If you just had the discipline to just diet correctly.

Yep. And just, because he always carried around all that body fat. A little extra weight, yep. You can't, you could do that at heavyweight. You can't do that at 185. Not at 185, 70. As you get, you could do that at heavyweight. You can't do that at 85. Not at 85, 70. As you get lighter, you gotta be better.

Look at him. Look at his size. And now look at Drekus Duplessis. That dude's huge. He's huge. Him and Sean Strickland is gonna be fun. That's gonna be fun.

That's gonna be fun. That's gonna be a fun fight. Because Drekus is all for it. I didn't think he was good. Oh my God. I was always hard on Drekus. And then now I'm looking at him like, oh, he beat Robert Whitaker. He beat him down.

Who is the man. And he beat him down. He's going to be. He beat Darren Till easy. Beat Darren Till easy. That dude, he's tough. That's a wild fight. He's big, man.

He's huge. He's so big for that weight class. But Sean Strickland impressed me so much in that Adesanya fight I was like my god it was the best thing for me in that fight was talking to Sean before he had a bit of this uncertainty about himself didn't know right because Izzy is Izzy he's a global superstar he took the world by storm and Sean just not long ago, got knocked out by Pereira. So he had these questions, and he doesn't hold back. He's like, I don't know if I'm supposed to be here.

They gave me the title fight because nobody else was there to fight. And he was just telling the truth. But the moment he got into the octagon, he beat Izzy, man. Every round. He looked so calm. Every second of the round. He did not look like he was overwhelmed. I said, he looks nervous when he walked into the octagon.

A minute in, I go, he's not nervous, fellas. I go, this dude is locked in. And he pitched a shutout. That right hand that he landed was so clean. Izzy never bounced back from it. Never bounced back. And what was not just the right hand was all those left hands that came afterwards in the clinch.

He just was hitting them. He hit them with a bunch of left hands in the clinch. He looked good, man. He looked really good. You know, they have this UFC bounce piece that they were using that registers how many times you get hit. Yeah. He spars the most and gets hit the least.

Because he does shoulder. He fights behind his shoulder. He does. That's why. It's like... And his distance management is really good. He fights behind his shoulder. He does. That's why. And his distance management is really good. He fights behind his shoulder. He manages distance well.

He's popping his jab. And he's always on. He's pressuring you. He's pressuring you. These guys, he's good, man. He's good. I mean, Drakus is good. God, I cannot wait for Colby Covington versus Leon Edwards.

And next week, in two weeks, that's going to be good. That's a wild fight. That's a crazy fight. That's a wild fight. Can Kobe still fight this dude? He hasn't fought in almost two years. Well. Leon has looked amazing.

Leon has looked amazing. Leon, you know, there was a bump up once he got the champion. There was. There was a bump up. Yeah, he got better. In the second fight, he looked even better. He got better. He looked even better. He wasn better. He looked even better.

He wasn't dealing with the altitude. Ooh, that's true, too. You remember when we were in Utah? That's true. I was tired. That's true. It's like 5,000 feet. Yeah, it sucks.

It sucks. Yeah, that's a good point. That's a good point. But he got better between fight one. In fight two, he defended takedowns better. Yeah. He outstruck Kamaru. He just fought better. He got that 30% champion better. Yeah. He outstruck Kamaru. He just fought better.

He got that 30% champion bump. Yeah, dude. When Teddy Atlas said that, I was like, what is Teddy talking about? And then I was like, oh, my God, he's actually better. Yo, Teddy Atlas. That fight. It's going to be a great fight. That's a wild fight, man.

That's a wild fight. I believe, Joe, for everyone we watch in this beautiful sport that we have the honor of calling, no one, no one has done more with less than Colby Covington. He's not the biggest. He's not the fastest. He's not the strongest. But he wins. And with those abilities, right right he has become a two time

NCAA All-American he has been the UFC interim champion he's fought for the belt two times and he's fighting for the belt another time but nothing about Colby jumps off the page he's meeting potatoes as meat and potatoes as it gets volume volume and cardio cardio off the charts but that all comes

with hard work right that he's not gonna out jump anyone he's not gonna jump higher than anybody Volume and cardio. Cardio off the charts. But that all comes with hard work, right? He's not going to outjump anyone. He's not going to jump higher than anybody. He's not going to run faster than anybody. But with his abilities, he has done that. That's crazy. Because we have seen many people like this that don't accomplish what Colby Covington accomplished. I think he's, I think Colby Covington's tremendous, man.

But Leon Edwards is, I mean, dude's won 13 fights in a row. Or he's not lost in 13 fights. One of the smoothest strikers ever. He's so smooth. When you start rocking. You ever watch him hit the pads? Yeah. It's a thing of art.

I watched a thing today, and I was showing this to Lappy. I said, I saw these guys sparring in glory and I said, there's never been a day in my life where I look like this in sparring. The combination was perfect, Joe. He was all boom, boom, boom, kick, and then another kick. I was like, you just

don't look that smooth. My question is, look at him. Yeah, look at him. Yeah, look at him. This pad work. Jeez. Come on, man. He looks good, bro. Everything is just so precise, you know?

Everything he does. Rocky. Strong and big, too, though. He's big. That fucking left high kick, bro. Oh, my God. That left high kick, bro. Oh, my God. That left high kick is hell. I mean, he's made it.

He's really changed his life with that head kick. Yeah, man. And then he said, head kick, bang. Yeah. He's in the octagon with you. That post-fight interview was wild. Dude. That was wild.

Look at me now. Look at me now. He said I couldn't do it. Look at me now. Play that, Jimmy. Look at me now. Ooh. That was... There's some of those, man, that make me tear up.

Dude, you tear up. I couldn't do it. It's been a long, long four years. They all down to me, so I couldn't do it. They all said I couldn't do it. Look at me now. Leveling it. Half a pound.

Headshot. That's sick. That's crazy, bro. Oh, my God. That's so crazy. Incredible. It was so intense, bro. That's incredible.

I'm tearing up. Some of these ones, it's in those moments, right, where you can't help but feel good for the person. Oh, yeah, man. It was Amanda Nunes, too. One time Amanda won, and we were all crying. She had her daughter, and we were all crying she had her daughter and we're all sitting

next to the actor and I'm crying I was like oh my god Doug Rose made me cry oh I was like this is the most beautiful shit I've ever seen like when

when you get to witness people accomplish great things it's fucking amazing it's amazing even like and I'm not talking about just athletically

but just in life in life when you see people do great things you're like wow man i'm happy for this dude yeah i'm genuinely happy for this dude i remember when you first started to move here i was like i smiled right i was like this dude worked really hard and now he's done some amazing shit. Like, good for Joe. It's like you could feel good for people. Like when I saw, this was way back in the day, when John Anik did his first UFC pay-per-view, I knew how he had started from ESPN. This dude was doing overnight highlights,

and then he did all those fight nights, and then he got up to the pay-per-view and it was you guys. And I said, look at John. And I was like happy for him. I think that's probably like the biggest thing is to have an ability to feel good for someone when they accomplish something great. Because accomplishing great things is not easy. It's very difficult.

So to see that and feel that appreciation for that person and their work, it's amazing, man. And we get to do that constantly, watching these humans just overcome and do things that you know 90% of the world can't do. Yeah. It's nuts. And when you're around things like that a lot it inspires you yes inspires you to work harder push hard you know no one like for a championship level mma fight is there a more difficult thing to prepare for in all of sports no i don't think so how could there be between the wrestling and the kicking and the punching and the-jitsu what what could be more difficult and you have strength and conditioning sessions

I was doing for Joe I was doing when I was fighting at 205. I was doing Four five six seven eight Seven eight nine then I was doing ten eleven twelve thirteen Then I was doing 10, 11, 12, 13, 15 workouts a week to become a UFC champion. I would get up at 7 a.m. I would hit pads on Monday, Wednesday. Then I would go to sparring. And then I would do bikes at night, cardio, Tuesdays, 11 a.m. pads, 12 o'clock wrestling. Then at night, I would hit pads again and run.

I was doing 15 a week. And there were times, Joe, towards the end, because I started old. I was almost 31 when I started fighting. So there were times when I got to 37, 38, when I was the UFC champion,

where I would get so beat up because I wanted to train like I was taught to train my whole life, that I would crawl up the stairs. I hear stories of Kamaru Usman walking down the stairs backwards. Yeah, he does that. But he's still fighting. But when those lights go on and he's inside the octagon or it's time to prepare,

he gets himself ready. That's what championship mixed martial arts is. Being so beat down, but being able to turn it on enough to work hard as you possibly can and give yourself an opportunity. I would crawl up my stairs. You imagine how good Kamara would be with two good knees?

He has no knees. Yeah, could you imagine that? Could you imagine? He's still one of the greatest welterweights of all time and he has no knees. No knees. You ever notice the difference between the muscles in his leg and the muscles in his upper body? No. Oh, yeah. He's got tiny legs.

Tiny legs. His legs are so skinny. He walks almost like his knees are bent forward when he walks. And I wonder if he developed that to relieve pressure off of his knees. Probably. Yeah, it's crazy. Yeah, he has to walk. He was telling me that he has to walk on the grass when he's next to grass on sidewalk.

Yeah. He walks on the grass because it doesn't hurt his knees as much. Can you believe that? But that's not. And that's crazy for Kamaru. But most athletes at the top of this sport have those types of stories. Because it just beats you down. Like the sport beats you down.

But there's nothing like it. But there's no like, no one's ever come back from a knee replacement no no no it's over if you gotta replace your knee it's over you gotta put that stuff off

until you're done if I could do it again I wouldn't have done the back surgery after the Lewis fight this thing says he still runs he still runs

he does run he does run Mike is a savage though that seems so crazy he spit in singapore too if y'all listening in singapore mike spit i'm gonna tell y'all right now mike spit he spit bro mike he goes i was running and i spit i was like you know you're not supposed to do that here man you're not supposed to spit on the ground or spit gum out and stuff whoa they don't like you to do

that you can't eat sunflower seeds none of that that stuff. It's so clean there. Wow. Yeah, they don't like that. So Mike spit on the ground Singapore. Mike fought like 10 fights with one eye. One eye. 10. Can't see. 10 fights. Won the world title with one eye. Can you believe that? He said, I was an international fighter because not many

commissions like, you know, that. So he was going all around the world. How about this new dude that just fought in the UFC? Oh, my God. Did you see that guy? Yeah. Shyben. Shyben.

One eye. He's a savage, though. He's fucking good. Are we talking about the Russian dude? Yeah. Oh, my God. He's a scary looking dude. That dude is nasty.

Oh, yeah. He's terrifying with the one eye. That dude is nasty. Isn't it crazy how good he can fight with one eye? He's got to have two eyes Joe He's got one eye He's blind That's why he's fighting overseas

He's blind in his right eye He fought in Abu Dhabi He's blind in his right eye Did you see that doctor in Abu Dhabi just messing up Yeah I did Poor guy right That was sad man I felt bad for him at the end.

I was like, oh, I feel bad for him. He's just fucking up. Because they don't know. They don't know. They don't fight. You need a doctor that works fights. You need to send somebody over there. Because otherwise, someone's going to see a cut eyebrow and just stop it.

Meet the controversial UFC prospect who's partially blind in one eye. Yeah, Shara Beckham. Yeah, he can see light, I think, in that other eye. They call him Shara Bullet. Yeah. Yeah, there it is. Yeah, he's a... He can fight, Joe.

Oh, he's fucking good, man. He can fight. He's had a ton of surgeries on that eye to try to save it. He's been fighting forever, though. And when you're fighting over there... Pull up his highlights. His fucking striking is so beautiful. M1 Global and all those shows, you're fighting absolute killers. Oh, though. And when you're fighting over there. Pull up his highlights. His fucking striking is so beautiful. M1, Global, and all those shows.

You're fighting absolute killers. Oh, yeah. So when you get here, you're ready to go. He doesn't have good takedown defense. No. Well, the last guy didn't even try to take him down, which is stupid. Because this guy, if you're going to stand and strike with him, you're going to find yourself in trouble at some point. He's dangerous.

He's dangerous. And he's so slick. Like those kicks. Oh, my God. They're so fast. Yeah. Here he is. This is him.

This is like a highlight of him. Sidekick. He hook kicked that dude. Hook kicked him. Hook kicked KO. And that's him real young. This is back when he had two eyes. So, wait.

Something happened? No, I think. Yeah, he got his eye poked. Oh, is back when he had two eyes. So wait, something happened? No, I think... Yeah, he got his eye poked. Oh, is that what it was? Yeah, he got his eye poked, had a detached retina, had multiple surgeries on it. Jeez. Yeah. He's just so interesting to watch strike.

It's such a fucking devastating, kick-heavy style. That's that one right there. You start running into those knees, those suck. Yeah, oh my goodness, look at this. He's that one right there. You start running into those knees. Those suck. Yeah. Oh, my goodness. Look at this. He's super aggressive, too. Oh!

Look at that spinning elbow. My goodness. Look at this. He showed him the knee first, too. Showed him the knee. Dude's hands dropped. I mean, set that up perfect. Set that up perfect.

Savage. So he's been this whole life kickboxing, doing everything else, and now... That's the thing, man. These guys that come from an elite-level striking background, every fight starts striking. It does. If they can figure out the takedown defense, like Mirko Krokop was the first guy to do it. Yeah. He was the first guy.

When he was fighting in Pride, he learned takedown defense and then just started fucking everybody up. I used to look at some of those guys, Krokop, Big Nog, Josh Bournette. He's fighting pride. He learned takedown defense and then just started fucking everybody up. I used to look at some of those guys, Kroll Cop, Big Nog, Josh Bournette. I'm like, these dudes are heavyweights. So when I went down to 205, I was like, there's never really a heavyweight. Because those dudes are heavyweight. Their legs are like this big. Huge asses. Big arms.

Aspinall. Aspinall's a heavyweight. That's a big dude. That's a big dude, man. Francis. Francis is a heavyweight. Big arms. Aspinall. Aspinall's a heavyweight. That's a big dude. That's a big dude, man. Francis. Francis is a heavyweight. Heavyweight. Derek.

Sergey. Derek. Those guys are actual heavyweights. If you can make 205, make 205. Go to 205. That's my advice. Jai Elton. At some point, Jai Elton's going to have to face that.

Like, I'm not a heavyweight. It'll be the moment somebody can't take him down. He'll be like, I might get through it. But he might have to reconsider because... It's unfortunate because there was so much hype on him before the Lewis fight. He just didn't fight well. It was weird because...

Almost like he just wanted to get that W. Wanted to get a victory. I like Derek and I think Derek is great for the sport, but if I submitted him, right? It's like you're a Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belt. You got to submit him. You got to find a way to finish that fight.

But Derek's so strong. He was trying to punch Derek, and Derek was just holding his hand with his arms. He's got two arms holding his hands, and so the guy's just stuck. Yeah. That's crazy. how strong must you be how strong must you be to reach up and grab a guy by the hands and not let him hit you right we saw that again just recently somebody was doing it it was Pereira Pereira was grabbing Yuri's hands and not letting him hit him yeah how? the strength how do you grab someone

off your back and hold them enough to make sure they don't hit you I would imagine if you have really long hands yeah like fingers like really big really big hands

and long fingers and Pereira does yeah when you see him when he's walking with his hands up they're fucking huge they're paddles

he was like giant hands he's like holding him and like Yuri's arm is like going sideways. He's trying to pull it away. Semmy Schilt used to do that to dudes. Really? Yeah.

Semmy Schilt used to grab ahold of wrists. He'll grab ahold of your wrists. And his hands were so huge. Remember Semmy was like seven feet tall. Yeah, he was like seven foot tall. Yeah. Those super tall guys, like, I don't think it benefits them. Stefan Struven, those guys were at such a severe disadvantage because they were so tall.

Travis Brown. I don't think he'd be 6'7 and fight MMA. Really? I don't think so. I think it's too tall. Too much leg, too much like they can take you down. I don't think it works. I think the perfect heavyweight is about 6'4", 255, 260.

That's what I think. That's what I think. For me, I think that's what the perfect heavyweight looks like. I think the perfect heavyweight is Francis. What's Francis? 6'5"? 6'4"? Yeah, 6'4", 6'5", 260.

Yeah. Yeah, perfect heavyweight. Somewhere in that range. 6'4", 6'5". A natural 260 jacked. Yes, jacked, strong. Yeah. That's the perfect heavyweight.

Are you bummed out that we don't get to see Jon Jones versus Francis? I am bummed out. I'm so sad about it. I do not like that. That's the one that I wish. That's the one. And I think now Francis is making so much money boxing, he'll never come back. Well, the only way to get him to come back, you see, the problem is he signed his contract with the PFL.

If he didn't sign a contract, well, who knows? Maybe he wouldn't have got the boxing match. Yeah, he wouldn't have got the boxing. So he goes and he gets this boxing match. Now he's a superstar. He drops Tyson Fury. He beats him up in the eighth round. It was wild. It was crazy to watch. Wild to watch. I can't believe I was

on the seat of my fucking chair. Hoping he was winning, too. I was grabbing cushions. Please win. Please win. Grabbing cushions. Twisting in the eighth too. I was grabbing cushions. Please win, please win. Grabbing cushions, twisting in the eighth round. Like, Jesus. Oh my God, he's got him. It felt like he had,

it was crazy because every time, and I told this to a boxing guy, I went on his interview, and I said, even though I believe that Tyson is going to win, I'm an MMA guy and he's one of ours, so let's go.

Look, they're going to beat him. I was like, he's going to knock him out. Then he started winning and I was like, oh my God, he might actually win. So while I was rooting for Francis, I didn't necessarily know if he really could beat him. But then when it started to become a little bit closer, I was like, oh my God, has Tyson Fury come on this? Yes. On this this? Yes.

On this show? Yes. He's huge, right? He's giant. He's a monster. Yeah, he's huge. But he didn't look great against Francis. Do you think that he overestimated himself?

You think that's what it was? I think he overlooked Francis. Underestimated Francis. He said he had, like, he said going into the fight that his diet was like hamburgers and McDonald's. He said that walking into the fight night. And he hit him with an elbow, too. That was a beautiful elbow. Nice elbow.

It was a beautiful elbow. You think that was on purpose? No, he couldn't do that again. He couldn't do that again. Unless he knows how to throw an elbow, which I bet he does. I would bet you that Tyson Fury— I mean, not perfect like that. Oh, man, it looked like he was throwing an elbow. But Joe, look at how he turns the elbow

over. That's good skills. But of course he would learn that. Why wouldn't he learn that? He knows how to box. He's trying to punch him. It looks like he's trying to throw an overhand. Right? And he just misses. Yeah, I guess maybe. It also could be he's throwing an elbow.

But it's not like he doesn't know how to throw it. Just because he knows how to box, you don't think someone's showing him how to throw elbows? I don't think he can throw an elbow. Why not? I just don't believe it. It could be a hidden skill. I mean, let's see this. Bro, this looks like he is even...

I mean, he... Let's see. He misses... I feel like his hand's already turned down. His hand's turned down at range. Did this guy just actually throw an elbow? He's throwing an elbow. He just threw an elbow.

So when Francis is saying Tyson cheated, he's saying Tyson knew what he was doing. Yeah. It looked like an elbow. It's a nasty elbow. I mean, it could be an accident. We don't know. It's perfect.

But if that was an MMA fight or a Muay Thai fight, I would say that's a beautiful elbow. Chris Weidman and Mark Munoz. Yes. Do you remember that one? Yes. Oh, my God. Just like that. Just like that.

But more devastating. But Mark was running into it. Yeah. Oh, my God. Mark was trying to get close. Yeah. And Weidman just timed the perfect elbow. Oh, my goodness.

Look at this. Oh, my goodness. Perfect timing. And remember how bad it split him open? Oh, yeah. Dude, Weidman was a motherfucker. He was the best, wasn't he? He was the best.

The one kick with Luke Rockhold changed his whole career. Why did he do that? He did that spinning kick. He should have never did that. But how crazy is that? It's one mistake, dude. Sometimes it's one mistake in there. You make one mistake, and it costs you.

He did that kick. Luke gets on top. And Luke just beat the shit out of him. Beat the shit out of him. He would have never taken him down. He had never taken Chris down. But when he beat him up that bad that way, he goes, I'm going to take this dude down now. So then he went and chased him down.

If Chris doesn't throw that kick. Top pressure. He was so good on top, Joe. Oh. Top pressure. He was so good on top, Joe. Oh, my goodness, he was so good on top. Yeah, people don't give him his props. He's one of those guys that his personality has turned people off to the point that they don't respect what he did in the octagon. This guy beat Tim Kennedy in Strikeforce.

He beat Jacare Sosa. He beat everybody. Then he became the UFC champion. He beat Bisping once. He beat Jacare Sosa. He beat everybody. Then he became the UFC champion. He beat Bisping once. He beat a lot of good guys. Do you remember the reverse triangle against the guy in Atlanta? What was that guy's name in Atlanta? Luke Rockwell did a reverse triangle.

It was nasty. I can't remember the guy's name. God, David Branch? Was it David Branch? I mean, he was just, look at this. This is against the big burly cat that was in the UFC back in the day. Tim Bosch, I think his name was.

That's right. Luke hits him with the Kimura. Then right here, look at this. He hits a reverse triangle on this dude. That's Bosch too. That's how he got him in the deal. Look at this. Off the reverse triangle, this dude. That's post too. That's how he got him in the deal. Yeah, that's how he got him into this. Look at this.

Off the reverse triangle. But it was a black guy that he got with the reverse triangle in Atlanta. David Branch, I believe, who it was. It was sick. Well, David Branch came after him in the beginning of that round. He caught him a couple times. Came at Luke. Yeah, unloaded.

Unloaded. Yeah. Thought he could punk him. But, you know, Luke's biggest issue was when people realized, and it was Bisping, when people realized that if you hit him, you could hurt him, they started throwing caution to the wind. And that's when he started to struggle.

Because we used to beat each other up quite a bit in the gym. Like, it was bad. And when people realized that if you could hit him you might be able to put him out of there so then he got knocked out by Mike then he got knocked out by Romero then he got knocked out by Jan Behovic

and it was like if you can get your hands on him you can put him out Behovic too that's 205 yeah he went up. Bohovic's a big dude. He thought he was going to be okay up there, right? And why would you not? Because you had been training with us for so long.

Right. Right? And I had become the champ there. Yeah. You know I didn't know Jan Bohovic and I were in the same weight class? I thought he fought at 185, bro. Really? I swear to God.

So then I asked him a question. I was like, well, since you went to 205, he was like, DC. I was like, yeah? He was like, I was ranked in the top 15 while you were the champion, idiot. I was like, really? I had no idea. That's crazy. He didn't even know he was in your weight class.

Because when you're the best, when you're the champ, you really are looking one to five. I don't think I ever looked past five. Because I figured I was never going to fight any of those guys. Interesting. It was always going to be either Glover, Jones, and then they said Volkan Ozdemir and I was like pfft.

Same paycheck? I was like, same pay? They was like, yeah. I was like, alright, yeah. Volkan. Yeah. Funny. Yuri Prohaska, like, up until this Bejeda fight, he was one of the most interesting guys in the light heavyweight division because he just does everything so weird. Yeah, he's a very unorthodox guy,

but he's also a guy that was groomed outside of the UFC. He beat, one night he beat, I mean, he beat C.B. Dalloway and King Mo in the same night. Wow. Yeah, he was the man. So he was ready. That's why he had won the UFC title in three fights. He only fought Volkan when he got there, his first fight. Then he beat Dominic Reyes.

Then he beat Glover to become the champ. It's nuts. He beat Dominic Reyes. Then he beat Glover to become the champ. It's nuts. For me, it's crazy also to see at 205 how between 2010 all the way to 20, nobody had the belt but me and Jon Jones. And then the belt just kept getting passed around.

I wonder who is going to be the person that brings stability again. Do you think Pareda can be that long reigning champion? I mean, with Jamal Hill and all those guys out there, they're all so good and so close. They're all so good and so close. And I'm curious to see how his grappling progresses. He's got to get better. Yeah, but it can

get better. And Glover's a great coach. It's good to be with Glover. Yeah. Pick up the finer points of grappling, especially grappling for MMA. Is it just about him when he gets taken down survive? Because that's what he did against Jan, knowing that he doesn't get tired and he can beat you up. He did it against Yuri. Yuri beat him in the first round, same thing.

But then every round starts on the feet, like you said. And every round he's going to chop that calf. And he'll beat you up until eventually he gets you. But at what point does a Bo Nickel or somebody get a hold of him? It's a very good point. He can't get away from him. Well, you know, if Bo goes up to 205. He'd have to go up now, but he was at 85 before. I don't think Pejada's going to drop back down again.

No, he's not. He said he's not. What is he, 35 now? 34, 35? It's so crazy when you see him. You think he's young. He's in his mid-30s. Well, he had a long kickboxing career.

I mean, he literally was in that bar in Brazil, and Izzy had to say something. Did you ever see his fight with Dustin Jacoby? No, no, no. That's another one. Dustin Jacoby was a really good kickboxer? Very good kickboxer. Wow.

He's a good athlete. He was a quarterback, I think, in football or something. Pejeta shot his lights out with a left hook. Knocked him out. That left hook is nasty. It's brutal. He's so good. This is like the first time I think I saw Pejeta fight was this fight.

So you can find that. I think this was the first time I saw him fight. He's so good, bro. And I was just like, whoa. Like, that is extraordinary power. And then I'm like, I'm going to keep my eye on this dude. Yeah. And I watched a few of his fights.

The Justin Willis fight was insane. Let's see that. Oh. watched a few of his fights. The Justin Willis fight was insane. Let's see that. Oh! I mean, dude, that's just a different kind of power. That left hook is nasty. Let me see that again. That is just a different kind of power. He always lifts his

knee, too. Oh! That's nasty. Who hits harder than that, dude? I don't think anybody does. I don't think anybody does. I really don't think anybody does. Find the Justin Willness fight.

Excuse me, Jason. Jason Willness fight. And when these guys are going down, they're like out. Yeah. They're out. That's the crazy thing about the way he hits guys. It's different. Yeah.

His power is just, it just nuclear. And what about your boy Yuri was like, yeah, the stoppage was fine. Yeah, he said that, but then afterwards he changed his mind. Yeah. Watch this. By the way, Will and this is like a legit world champion. Really? Yeah. Legit world champion.

This is a high level fight. Pereira, he's tall, man. Sweat this. Oh! Head kick. Oh, my goodness. Now wait for the end. Oh!

That's that same knee from before. See, but there's Joe. Look at this, Joe. Now tell me this guy's not done. To my point about boxing. Exactly. Tell me Willis is not done. And you're counting.

Right? He was already counting. If that guy could have got up at eight or nine, they would have let him go back to fight Pereira. Bro, that knee is fucking brutal. That's the one he got the guy with in the beginning in the UFC. You know, so when you see a guy like that that's doing that at two different weight classes in kickboxing, you can't wait to see a guy like that fight now in MMA.

So I want to ask you this. Okay. Alex Volkanovsky, right? He spoke about, after the fight with Islam how he was in his own head when he didn't have anything. Now he's fighting against Ilya Teporia very quickly.

I wonder aloud if Alex Volkanovski will have any lingering effects from that knockout because when we see him, we're all like raving he's the best. Is it just as simple as him just going back down to 45 and he'll be fine again? Because Tabori is a monster, bro. Tabori is a monster.

And that's a fight you don't want to take if you're compromised. And it's also a fight that he could have just waited for. I'm all in favor of making wild fights. And when Dana White was like, it's going to be Volkanovski versus Makachev too. I'm like, oh, shit. Take my money. Yeah, let's go. I'm like, take my going to be Volkanovski versus Makachev too. I'm like, oh shit. Take my money. Yeah, let's go. I'm like, take my money.

Let's go. But if I was Alex's friend and we were talking about this, if he asked me for advice, I'd have to think about it a lot. Yeah. Because I would think, I know you believe you can beat him because you almost beat him in the first fight. However, you had a full camp. Yes. How much better are you had a full camp yes how much

better are you with a full camp you're better he's way better everyone's better there's no no one is better with no camp right can we agree yes absolutely especially if you're not injured in camp no one's better with no camp no yeah nobody doesn't work so it's dependent upon how hard you were training how hard were you training before you took this fight on 10 days notice? Were you preparing for potentially fighting two months from now and you already ramped up training and you already have like real good cardio and you're already sparring? Yeah. Or have you been just kind of fucking off here and there and then you're like, I can fucking do it. Yeah.

Because I can fucking do it is not a good strategy against the best pound for pound fighter in the world. You want to camp. Like, a rematch was going to happen anyway. Yes. It had to happen. Yes. But you don't take that rematch, in my opinion, with 10 days notice. That seems insane.

And the only reason. You want 10 weeks. You want 10 weeks. But the only reason anyone thought he had an opportunity was because of how great he is. Yes. Right? If he wasn't so great, nobody would have anyone thought he had an opportunity was because of how great he is. Yes. Right? If he wasn't so great, nobody would have ever thought he had a chance. Right. But because of his greatness, I worry

that because of his greatness, we're going to believe that come February or January, he's going to fight to pour you and you almost expect the same thing. But what if it's too soon? And listen, even if he wasn't compromised,

even if he didn't fight Islam, Teporia is a nightmare. Yes, he is. He's a nightmare. Yeah. He's scary. What he did to Josh Emmett, I was like, oh, man. He's nasty. What he did to Bryce Mitchell, like, oh, man. He's so good, and he's so skilled, and he's got great boxing,

got great takedown defense. Great in everything, everywhere. I got knocked out by Jones in Anaheim, and I got called for a fight in late September, and I said, no, I need time. I need to let my brain heal. He got knocked out in October. He's going to fight in February.

It's fast, man. He got knocked out by a shin. A shin. It's a little bit worrisome for me. And I like Volk. He's the man. But then again, Izzy knocked Pajero out cold. Yep, in November.

Three months later, he's fighting Jan Bohovic. Oh, yeah. Yeah, and fought better. Yeah. He got knocked out in April, won in July. Out cold. I mean, Volkanovski wasn't out cold.

No, he was not out cold. Yeah, this guy was asleep. And Izzy was above him shooting arrows into his body. Doing some crazy stuff, right? And then three months later, that dude's fighting Jan Bohovic. Hey, yo, six months later,

he's the world champion. Crazy. Elect Ferrer. I mean, he's had one of the quickest rides, the absolute quickest to two titles. I've never seen anything

like that. Nothing has ever been like that. No, never in my life. The thing is, man, if the dude really can just survive under everybody if he gets taken down and then just beats

your legs up, it's a down and then just beats your legs up. Like, it's a real problem. He beats your legs up and then he forces you to make a mistake and he takes advantage. Yes. Every single time. But I think Jamal Hill's a real challenge for him. You think so? The unorthodox?

Jamal's a sniper, man. He finds chins. Jamal said he's not going to take him down. He's a clever dude. He said he's not taking him down. He's going to knock man. He finds chins. Jamal said he's not going to take him down. He's a clever dude. He said he's not taking him down. He's going to knock him out. Yeah. He said, I'm not taking him down.

I'm going to knock him out. He might. He might knock him out. I think I would take him down. Well, who knows? We're going to find out. I would try to take him down. I would definitely not give him just a stand-up fight.

Jamal's got some nasty hands, man. He does. He really does have some nasty hands. He promises to KO Alex Bejeda standing. Yeah. You know, I have never seen him fight anybody of that caliber. Yeah. Yet.

But I think he's capable. He's very capable. You know, what he did to Glover was very impressive. Dude, he just beat him up. Just beat him up. He really did just beat him up. I mean, when you think how Uri struggled to Glover was very impressive. Dude, he just beat him up. Just beat him up. He really did just beat him up. I mean, when you think how Uri struggled with Glover, and then Jamal Hill just pieced him up.

Jamal just pieced him up. He just kept touching him and touching him and touching him. And it was clever. It was smooth. He's so unorthodox. He does these weird movements where he's kind of like back. Behind his head and chest or behind his feet, he's like. But it works.

It works. It works. He's developed a style for him. And he's got power. He's got power. He's got real power. He's so big. That Johnny Walker KO.

He's so big for the weight. He's huge. Yeah. I mean, right now he's as big as I've ever seen him, but he's like huge for the weight class. How much more time does he need for his Achilles? It's going to be a little bit. Yeah. He's not Aaron Rodgers.

Hey, bro, you know what's something funny shit I've ever seen in my life? What? You know? It's going to be a little bit. Yeah. He's not Aaron Rodgers. Hey, bro, you know what's the funniest shit I've ever seen in my life? What? You know what I'm going to say. When Aaron Rodgers was, something happened with Aaron Rodgers

and he said, you told him something. Yeah. That was the craziest shit. I was like, Joe's a doctor. He was telling me all this stuff.

He was saying all this stuff and I was like, wow, he did it. But now, I'll never question you are Aaron Rodgers because Aaron Rodgers is about to play football 11 weeks after terrorist killings what is he doing how uh you'd probably have to ask him you know him yep tell him do you tell me what he's doing I'll tell

you later this dude is somehow playing after 11 weeks? Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah, it's pretty crazy. Joe, when I saw him on the field throwing that football, I could not believe it. He tore his Achilles. Yeah. Seven weeks later, he was on the field throwing passes. He got cleared for football activities this week. How?

He's 40. Yeah, there's a lot of modern science going on here this shit is crazy man i'm like when i start feeling bad i'm not calling nobody but you i want you to tell me how to feel better how how if i had to guess like if i didn't know i would tell you peptides if you had to guess okay didn't know, I would tell you peptides. If you had to guess. Okay. If I didn't know, I'd tell you peptides. Yes.

Because, dude, how? Like this guy is. That's what I think people should be using for the UFC. This is the argument for peptides, if that's what he's using. I'm not saying he is. But that's the argument, is that they help you heal. And when you're dealing with all these issues, like Jon Jones. Like Jon Jones should be able to get some peptides. If he did peptides, would it help his. Yes. It would help you heal. And when you're dealing with all these issues, like Jon Jones. Jon Jones should be able to get some peptides.

If he did peptides, would it help his recovery? Can I see that picture of Aaron Rodgers again? He looked good out there, too. Could you imagine being the Jets, though? Oh, man. Dude, it was perfect. He runs out. He's carrying this huge American flag.

That place was loud. I don't watch the Jets. I don't know if you watch football. I do. Aaron Rodgers going to the Jets I don't know if you watch football I do Aaron Rodgers going to the Jets was like the Jets have been terrible for a long time they have the world

I like they have the world everything's going for them his legs look jacked they look jacked he's just like stepping up on his toe and everything like that's crazy wild he runs out with that massive flag look at the calves on that motherfucker Any atrophy of his legs. Look at him. He's just like stepping up on his toe and everything. Yeah. That's crazy. Wild.

He runs out with that massive flag. Look at the calves on that motherfucker. The place is going crazy, and then he tears his Achilles. Nice. And then they had that young kid as their quarterback. But could you imagine watching this guy work playing football? I saw a video on that hard knocks thing, and they have these circles, Joe. These circles, they're targets.

And that thing was 20 yards away. And every time he would throw, he's like top right. And it would just go inside that little thing every time. Bottom left. Inside, he never missed. He was so accurate. He was so accurate. He was so accurate. He was saying, it's like A in the Rogan.

Bam. That American flag at the top. Inside the bucket. He never missed. Wow. That dude's sick, man. Well, you want to imagine the practice involved in getting that good at throwing a football? So accurate. How many hours has that guy put in?

And that football's like this big. Yeah. Have you ever grabbed an NFL football? It's huge. I can't even get my hands on it. I've got small hands for a fighter, though, but it's huge. And then you look at the receivers. I went to a golf course in Florida, and when I walked up, it was Chris Carter from the Vikings.

Dude's fingers were all broken and turned sideways because I said, what happened to your hands? He goes catching footballs. Wow. From like all them great quarterbacks. Like when dudes that play with Brett Favre, their hands are tore up because he's throwing so hard that he's like knocking their fingers back and stuff. Wow.

Can you believe that? Like trying to catch a football? I can. It makes sense. I mean, if you catch one on the tip of your finger when you're trying to grab it and it gets yanked back. And they gotta throw it fast because these DBs are like whoever guarding you

there's like a short window to get it in there. Dude it's nuts. Football is crazy. How long before you think MMA gets to the point where you see athletes of that caliber consistently entering to MMA? It's going to be a little bit. Right from the jump.

I think it'll be a little bit. You know why? Because if you have that ability to play football, they go play football because the money's so big. Right. But could you imagine a Fred Warner or a freaking, he's a linebacker for the 49ers, the best in the game. How about when Herschel Walker started fighting in Strikeforce in his 40s and fucking people up

I got some crazy shit about Herschel Herschel ate one time a day yeah I heard that he would eat soup and bread one time a day and he stayed at this great hotel called the Fairmont and I think he was staying there free because Herschel Walker owns this massive chicken company he provides chicken to McDonald's Herschel Walker's chicken is like the like I think he provides chicken to McDonald's

and like all these big companies and the Fairmont was one of them so he stayed there he ate soup once a day and Herschel Walker while he was very athletic Joe he never up his feet. So his feet would kind of like drag on the ground. Fucker would shock the shit out you every time he punched, dog. Herschel was getting static electric in his feet because he never picked them up. And the fucker would hit and it would shock you. That's crazy. Constantly. And he would knock people out.

And, bro, he's like when he – Herschel Walker, I think it's documented that he has, like we talked about, Mike Tyson. Like that guy that lives in that world and then the guy that we see daily. I think Herschel, it's documented that he has some of these issues. Like a personality disorder? Like a personality. The first time he fought in Strikeforce, we're in the HP at San Jose. And we're getting ready to go out and he starts going crazy. Cursing at himself.

I'm going to kick your ass. But all I've ever heard from Herschel was like very soft spoken, you know, talking about religion and everything. He turned into a completely different person. When he walked into that octagon, he went off. Right here. Bro, he was saying some crazy shit to himself. Was this his first fight?

First fight. Yeah, bro. I cornered him, Joe. How old was he? 44 years old. 45 or 46, something like that. But look at his feet. See how his feet never come up?

It was always static. Look at him. Look at him. That's what I'm talking about. Oh my God. He just started getting mad. Dude, I'm telling you. He did that in the back before we went out there. Watch out. He just got mad.

He got mad, bro. That's a nice combination, too, to drop him but he tapped into that that's a nice combination too to drop him he tapped into that other person who was he fighting here yeah no Strikeforce was the best at this bro Strikeforce would always

get you dudes that you knew you'd be okay against Strikeforce was the best at that what do you think about this I would fight dudes and then there would never

be a Strikeforce again oh really in the beginning there'd be a you think about this? I would fight dudes and then they would never be in Strikeforce again. Oh, really? In the beginning. There'd be a guy, he'd fight me, I would beat him, and then I'd never see him again. So they just got you good fights. They would get me fights

because my first fight was in Strikeforce. So I'd fight like, so if I was a wrestler, it was like another kid who was a wrestler, but he was a high school wrestler. So then, hey, push comes to shove, Daniel can out-wrestle this dude. One dude was my training partner.

I had a really good sparring session against him. Next week, I needed an opponent. That dude was in there. I knocked him out. It was the first time I knocked somebody out. Yeah, well, the Strikeforce was really good about that. What do you think about Bellator and the PFL combining? Do you think that's gonna lead to

anything isn't it interesting that like people don't care that much about shit that's outside the ufc isn't it crazy because the ufc has developed such a lead on everybody it's nuts yeah it's like it really is like now whereas before when Strikeforce got absorbed, you had Ronda and Nick Diaz and Gilbert Melendez and myself and Luke Rockhold and Jacare and Josh Thompson and Alistair Overeem and Josh Pornett and all these guys, right? So it felt like not a competitor, but at least a legit number two where you had championship level fighters fighting. Bellator has that. Yeah. But the UFC has now grown to a point where it's like the NFL in fighting. And as there is nothing else in basketball that we compare to the NBA or to the NFL, CFL, XFL, all that, that's how it is with UFC.

So it's like no matter what they do it's never going to feel as important when in reality they have some really good fighters some really good, Patchy Mix is really good, Johnny Ebelin is really good but as long as they're not fighting inside that octagon it'll be hard for them to feel

like it but I think it's good, I think you're taking the number 2 and 3 promotions in the world, combining them think it's good. I think you're taking the number two and three promotions in the world, combining them. It's just crazy that even in doing that, it still feels like a distant second to the UFC. Yeah. I think it's always going to be that way.

As long as the UFC doesn't fall apart, like if Dana leaves. Yeah. Dana can't leave, bro. They could sell it again. They could sell it again, but I mean, why would they? Why would Endeavor ever sell that? They shouldn't. It's like their biggest... Someone could come along, like the Saudis could it again. They could sell it again, but I mean, why would they? Why would they ever sell that? They shouldn't. Someone could come along, like the Saudis. The Saudis and buy... What about when the Saudis just bought the PGA Tour?

I'm like, how you gonna buy the PGA Tour? You don't think they could do that with the UFC? Yeah, they could buy anything. Yeah, they just overvalue it. They just overvalue it. They could, but... They easily could. They could just buy anything. It's going to be interesting to see if someone with this new merger, if they change the name,

if they stick with the PFL, what are they going to do? So what I heard is Bellator does pretty good overseas, so they're going to run their events over there. Oh. Right? So it's going to kind of become an international company. Okay. And then. And the PFL is going to kind of become an international company. Okay. And then...

And the PFL is going to be where they... State of PFL. Right? Interesting. And they'll do like a champion versus champion thing. ESPN just extended their contract with the PFL, but there's no mention of Bellator. Right? You know, I really want to see Johnny Eblen in the UFC.

I do. I do. He's good, man. He's very good. He's a good, man. He's very good. He's a very good fighter. Very good. You see that fight with Leon's brother? Yes.

But could he fight at 185 in the UFC or does he have to go to 70? He doesn't look that big. We'll find out. I think he would have to probably go to 170, right? Even like the 205 pounder. Nemkov? Nemkov. He'd have to go to 85 because he's good, but he's just not that big.

What kind of testing are they doing over there? Not much, right? Demkoff? Demkoff. He'd have to go to 85 because he's good, but he's just not that big. What kind of testing are they doing over there? Not much, right? That's another reason I'm saying that without saying it. I think those guys would probably have to get a little smaller to fight at their right weight classes. But I think it's a big deal. I just think that— I'm just happy if the fighters are getting more money. Yes.

I like these million-dollar contracts. I think that's great the fighters are getting more money. Yes. I like these million-dollar contracts. I think that's great. Guys are making more money today than they've ever made. Olivier, Albon Mercier, just got a million dollars. Two? He used to fight, yeah. He won that twice. That's amazing.

Yeah, he won that two times in a row. He would have never made that. No. Partly due because he wouldn't have been able to find that level of success. Right. Right. Those guys are too tough. Even Derrick Brunson.

Like, Derrick Brunson had not looked great in his last few UFC appearances. He went to the PFL, looked fantastic. Looked fantastic. And now he's back on the right track. So good for him. I got to wrap this up, DC. Yeah, that's fine, baby. It was awesome.

I got shows tonight. Oh, I'm coming. Yeah, I'm so happy we got to hang out. Dude, I'm actually coming to the show. I can't wait. I watched you in Chicago once, and I'm coming to watch you again. Let's go. Let's go, Joe.

Thanks for having me, brother. All right. Bye, everybody. Get him out.