The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #154 with Matt Serra, Din Thomas & John Rallo

Episode Date: April 4, 2024

Joe is joined by mixed martial artists John Rallo, Matt Serra, and Din Thomas. John owns Shogun Fights and also serves as the owner and head coach at Ground Control Mixed Martial Arts Academy. Matt is the host of the "UFC Unfiltered" podcast with Jim Norton and is the owner and lead instructor at Serra BJJ. Din is a host on "SiriusXM Fight Nation," "Josh Cohen & the Home Team" on ESPN West Palm, and "Fight Court." www.groundcontrolbaltimore.com www.serrabjj.com www.ufc.com/athlete/din-thomas Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The Joe Rogan Experience Trained by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day! Okay. I'm ready when you are. Okay, let's get... Matt's already unrolled. He ain't unrolled, man. We gotta get it going. I feel like we... We missed it already. Yeah, we missed the joy that is Matt Sarah. We need a name for this order of unruly gentlemen we need we need a name for us Matt I want to think about it. This is Matt's first in by the way Yeah, it's a six milligram. That's a heavy dose, but I'm not a I'm a caffeine guy

I love that's a lot like caffeine, but like even more really yeah, yeah, I see that 7-eleven I know Tucker Carlson takes it. He loves them. And he got so excited that I had one. He's like, why do you have them too? Why do you have them? I put them into that seat. It's not a dip, though.

No, it's just a little pouch. It's not actual tobacco. It's just the nicotine chemical. Nicotine chemical is a chemical is neuroprotective. It shows there's been studies that have done that it shows some sort of a connection with helping ward off Alzheimer's I believe if I'm not that's true. I'm gonna make that nicotine. I want to make that up We as strong. Yeah nicotine as a

Chemical is not bad for you. What's bad for is the delivery system of six? particularly cigarettes if you buy like Cigarettes with chemicals in them. So there's like there's those Spirits They're not they have shit in them too No, but I think I think Paper and a tobacco. Yeah, I don't think it is.

Oh, those liars. Okay, nicotine for Alzheimer's disease. There's no evidence from randomized controlled trials to support the use of nicotine as a treatment for Alzheimer's disease. So what was the thing that, wasn't there something about a connection between the way nicotine works and some sort of, there's something something I read my thing is if I thought

please Jamie we just say it says while nicotine itself doesn't cause dementia the act of smoking cigarettes may be linked to an increased risk of developing dementia as you age the harmful substances and cigarette smokes can lead to inflammation factors linked to the onset of Alzheimer's disease I know that nicotine is a medication that they use sometimes for heart patients. So find out what that is. Fuck that is.

My thing is, the cigarette. Probably a Basio dilator. Did you ever see that movie with Russell Crowe, the insider? Yes. I think it's about the dude who works for the cigarette companies. He's a chemist and he's talking about all the shit

they throw in the cigarettes to make them super hyper addictive. Oh, it sounds actually packed. So it's actually not the niggas It makes it addictive well niggas need to do as well right nicotine is addictive as well That's my question. They just super juice it up according to this movie I'm gonna be scratching What is this cold again

Zinz I'm an everyday zin guy am I gonna if I stop it am I gonna be like no I've got the other day for Two days I said I want to see what it's like and nothing Did you wait three days what? Itch no, I got it earlier. I would later. I would think you would have got it earlier instead of later. I like them. Are you an everyday zener? Yeah, not every day. I take days off.

But the thing is, I don't know if that's my biology. Like I don't, I can just do things and stop doing them. I can't. There's a reason why I never tried fucking cocaine or anything. I've been out of my fucking mind. I haven't. There's a reason why I never tried fucking cocaine or anything, I've been out of my fucking mind. I haven't either. I had these two pizzeria bosses, and one of them, just last week,

had to get a new spine, and now he's on a ventilator. I don't wanna get emotional now, but anyway. I think he might be dead by now, but it's very depressing. But anyway, I was 17 years old and I used to deliver pizzas for these guys, Nikki and Louie, and they were funny. They remind me a little bit of a Joey D. ass. They were just smoking cigarettes.

They were very funny. But they told me, they go, if you try it once, they used to have a cocaine problem, but they cleaned up. And he goes, Matt, you try it once and you're fucked. And I went, sold, and I got scared and I got fucking scared you know you know and I knew that and I've been in situations obviously of me we all have like where it's like talk about pure pressure man I don't know I was like a fuck you know it's like you know you got to be that guy it'll be like I got real

lucky when I was growing up that I had friends that liked it that were good friends and told me to never do it And then I also had a friend whose cousin sold it and when he sold it He went from being this like regular dude to being like a vampire He just stayed in the ad he had an attic apartment with his girlfriend And they just did coke and watch movies and sold coke and he lost he lost a ton of weight He started getting real like gaunt and skinny looking and I was like yo It's like they got bit by a vampire. Yeah Like they got bit by a vampire. It's like you're not the same person and now you're the your whole mission in life is getting coke Out the window all that success and love and family and friendship and dinners with friends fuck all that

You gotta get coke. Yeah, that's not Crazy In your mouth like that. I just think it between my cheek and my gum That's it my man, but you know what else I found that I really like is these this I don't know this is I should kind of not be talking about this because these motherfuckers took the name that we use for our Neutropic which is oh But it's a these are like a new tropic pouch So this doesn't have any nicotine in it as a bunch of new tropics, which I really I really like new tropics now

Maybe they didn't steal our name, but it's kind of now All the time we Alpha brain was one of the first with the first one that I ever found out was neuro one Remember that guy Romanowski no Roman out. Yeah, Romanowski, who was a football player, obviously got a lot of head impacts and he was having problems with his memory. So he devised a supplement. It's really good. That was the first one I found out about.

And I'm sorry, what did you say is in that again? This one, it's got a bunch of different. No, the word you just said. Neutropics. Now not for the people at home. Not me. Exactly. What's the building block for human neurochemistry. So it's things like acetylcholine. There's a bunch of different

ones. If you can show the ingredients for alpha brain, if you could. There's lutein. There's a bunch of different things that have been shown to increase cognitive performance So we actually did randomized controlled trials at the Boston Center for memory for alpha brain We sponsored two of them and it showed an increase in verbal memory your ability to retain words Which I really find like I take it every time I do a UFC. I take alpha brain always helps my memory Yes, I'm talking about fights from Oh, really helps my memory. Yeah, I'm talking about fights from But it does help okay, so

alpha GPC Hyperia vitamin B6 theanine is a really good one to theanine is also in another thing. I really which is neuro gum. Yeah, I actually use that. Yep, I have these right here, Neuro Mints. I like these. Not a sponsor, just good, good product. Vitamin B6 is obviously good for you. So all these things, what it's shown is if you take these things, it's just like we know that there's certain nutrients that your body needs.

We know we need vitamin D. And if you're not getting it from the sun, you can supplement it. There's a bunch of different things you can supplement. But you can supplement the things that your brain needs to work at the best level. Speaking of men's drill. You saw the amount of supplements I take you would go crazy. Oh, I would not be. No, no, no, no, no.

Morning stuff, fucking talking stuff, night stuff. If there was one dude in this room that I would come to, who's got the supplements? Nice stuff. It was one dude in this room Jocko mocha some shit. What are you on? What kind of protein? Do you have some jocos mulch at the? Oh bro, I buy that shit by the cases Have you tried? I have like 5, I have the new one Have you tried Mark Bell's stuff? Yeah, Mark Bell's stuff, great The steak shake?

The steak shake, that's great I love that shit That's what I've been hitting lately But what I like about the Jocko's is they're already made I'm lazy I gotta run out the door Oh, you're getting the pre, I got you I grab two of those bitches, I got 60 grams of protein, bam

So you don't get the pre-made ones? No, I get the powder and the main reason too is because I like to put it in my oatmeal Too so I'll mix it up like well. I'm not a goat so I don't be I'm eating bacon eggs. What are you eating? I'm fucking back on Free now isn't it funny that would people chop you see oatmeal if they were starving Those are people that were like poor people that were just starving to death working in the fields. And now we're like, oh, granola. All those people eat some bacon, you fucking idiot.

Get some eggs, just eat a dozen eggs and some bacon. You feel like you're alive. I hope you don't think I miss many meals. No, you ain't missing any meals. You mind if I grab some coffee? Get in there, what's for you? I seen a, since the last time we spoke, we remember last time we were talking about my ass The last we spoke I was supposed to take a shit in a box to go to the lab.

And I had a, I had a, it was, I don't know what it was. I just didn't, never did it. And then I finally was like, you know what? Fuck it, I'm doing it. And then I changed insurance, so I had to get a different doctor. So I had to, anyway, I seen a holistic doctor, right? So I ended up doing it. Like a witch doctor? Dude, now listen, I was a holistic doctor right so I'm gonna I ended up doing it like a witch doctor

Dude now listen. I was a little nervous, too Well listen I'm gonna find out thank you, bro. It's uh it might G is um From Huntington right as somebody recommended them. I know what you're thinking. I was thinking the same thing It's gonna be um give me sweetness. We don't that off. I know what you're thinking. I was thinking the same thing. It's gonna be um, give me sweetness I don't know. I'm a little me prima donna No, I don't want to be that guy What do you want? Stevia I don't want to be that guy

Sit down no stevia First of all, it's hard to get a You haven't had that mint cream? So I, when I, when I... Jamie, sit down. No, Stevie, uh... Listen, first of all, it's hard to get a, uh, it's hard to get an appointment with a lot of these fucking doctors, you know? Especially the holistic ones. They're all doing voodoo. That wasn't as hard. For some people... They're out, last ceremonies.

No, my, my wife, you know, my wife, my wife started by trying to put these doctors and couldn't get it. So then somebody recommended this guy. All right. So I was expecting a fucking half a hippie sipping wheatgrass. I didn't know what to expect. It was a guy who looked like John Rollo, 59, strong guy, nice guy. He was telling me that, you know, a lot of these, they just want to put you on meds. They don't look at what caused the problem or that they just want to treat they want to treat them

They want to treat the problem. They don't want he's like I want to turn back time with you and shit like that I listen to a nice guy like a share song like a shit She was pretty but she had no ass Have to have an ass back then. She snuck in under the wire. She's still kind of hot. Hot smash. Back in the day she was gorgeous.

She looks pretty good today. That's what I'm saying. I still am. Really? Right now. The sunny animal. The sunny and shared eggs. She was hot.

That's wild that he went on what he became a senator I think was the mayor of his like whatever city he well the Clint Eastwood became the mayor of Carmel, California But I remember that Sonny Bono was like a senator. So I wasn't he Jimmy Was he a congressman? We got in politics everything's like heavy duty into politics, and then he died skiing Like heavy duty into politics and then he died skiing Yeah, one of the Kennedy's done same way in like real close proximity to ice the love skiing 16th mayor of Palm Springs, California from 88 to 92 and served as the US representative for California's 44th district from in from 1995 till his death and he was both let me ask you that's pretty crazy how much is a

Republican I got you babe the hippie movement right with the fucking bell I know whatever my thing is this from Ronald Reagan the Sonny Bono it do people like the policies or they just liking the fucking guy? I was just watching Idiocracy the other day. Oh my lord. It's so good. Still. Hold on.

That's fucking great. Terry Crews was a great president. Still so good. It holds up so well. You like the white Terry Crews. He's seeing the council. He's like, yeah, my first wife was taughted. She's a pilot now. That movie is fucking great. It's like, yeah, my first wife, my first wife was taught it. She's a pilot now.

No, that movie is fucking great. It's a great movie, man. It's not exactly politically correct, but it's fucking good. It's not at all, but it holds up. You almost couldn't make it. You can't make any of these. Tropic Thunder. Tropic Thunder would be impossible today. I gotta watch that again. Impossible today.

I haven't watched that in ages. Bro. Great movie. That's a great movie, man. great movie. That's a great movie great movie That's a great move at Robert Downey jr. Not only was he in blackface, but he was in yellow face memory came out Talking to them about catching Jack Black in the rice paddies and shit Yeah, Shane Gillis. They're gonna be marching on, I think they're gonna be marching on ground control today. Listen man, Asian people take it better than anybody.

You know what I know? Emojis. Emojis are all yellow and there's no complaints. I know, no one is, yup. Not a single complaint. Not a single complaint, yup, you're right. Not a single complaint. You're right, you're right.

Asian people just keep working. That's true, they never have a problem. That's what they say. Yeah. They don't, if like, there was like a, there was like legit Asian hate though after COVID They keep it. That's true. They never have a problem. That's what they say. Yeah. If like, there was like a, there was like legit Asian hate though after COVID came out. There was a lot of like really dumb people that were just running up to Asian people hitting them.

Yeah. I see that a lot. Especially in New York, a lot of the subways. Crazy. That's crazy. That's where they need people to step up. But that's real. Yeah, that was like violence, right? That wasn't just, you know, talking.

Yeah, it wasn't just like yellow face. Yeah. You can get away with yellow face. Nobody fucking does shit. You can dress up like a bumblebee. Nobody will freak out. Like when they got that kid, there was a kid who turned out to actually be Native American who had half of his face.

Oh, the Chiefs game. Yeah. So brilliant. a kid who turned out to actually be Native American who had half of his face. Oh, the Chief's game. So brilliant. Yeah, so he had half of it. He had literally put on like war paint of I think of the tribe that he's from. Yeah. Right? Yeah, I'm pretty sure.

I think it's from the tribe that he's from. And one of those websites tried to label it as a fan, a racist fan in blackface. So they only showed this side of his face where it was dark and the other side of his face was white Which was like this war paint? Oh? And the kid totally be Indian oh no, so they like they got the double they were wrong twice Just so quick to jump the gun. I'm sick of this woke shit. Let me tell you Let me tell you loud and clear. I am sick of what they did the fucking Star Wars I love everybody you know I love everybody and I'm uh I'm a like I have three daughters

I love strong like female characters Vasquez from fucking aliens. Oh, yeah Weaver No, there's nothing how about this there's nothing wrong with making everybody badass now The wrong guys you guys see a soca I'm basing the wrong guys. You guys see Ahsoka? I did. What's Ahsoka? My brother.

My brother Jamie too. It's a Disney plus show. It's about a Jedi. There she is. Yeah, well, Rosario Dawson. Yeah, she's hot. Now, it's not to get too geeky on you, but listen. It's too late for that.

No, that ship is sailed. I gotta listen. I gotta go. This is the deal. With Ahsoka, it's based basically off of another show which was an animated show, not to get too nerdy on you. First of all, before you pick on me, George St. Pierre watches these same fucking shows because I talked to George about this and we geeked the fuck I go George. How do we have a fight? We thought it he's like he's telling he's he knows more than me about all this shit

He reads the books, but anyway, this show was a cool show this show on rebels, right and it's about this young Jedi Ezra Ezra, right? So now they're doing a lot guys. I think we two seconds Ezra, Ezra, right? So now they're doing a live, guys, stay with me for two seconds. So now the live action comes out, right? And Ezra, at the end of the series, Ezra fights this guy Thrawn, and he goes through another dimension,

and he leaves a fucking hero. And now he's in it, now the next appearance is him live action in this series, years later, right? They make him the biggest cook in the universe right this guy was a fucking Jedi badass in the cartoon they have a I'll give you a couple instances right they get they find them there on the planet the his friend finds him I forgot her name but she she gives him a fucking she's like a Mandalorian she gives his lightsaber do. Now look, they can't make him look too cool

because he's a dude. They go, hey, he goes, listen, I don't need the lightsaber. The Force is my weapon. So already, boo, right there, big boo. Really? The lightsaber, they surround it right now. So he's like doing some fucking hippie shit, whatever. Next, this gets me now. You'll relate, Dean, relating you relate to that. I'm with you right listen now there

You have two of these he's been on this planet. They find them on they have two of these Horses these alien horses It's a soca the Mandalorian chick and Ezra So there's three of them riding On a motorcycle when his two guys riding now the guy in the back it's called riding bitch yeah who's riding bitch Ezra now is that just because you know it just happens to be no it's it's like that on purpose i get it am i going to be here's the thing you can have both you could have a strong woman character and a strong man I can't believe it on this thing. I can't believe it on this thing. I can't believe it on this thing. I can't believe it on this thing. I can't believe it on this thing. I can't believe it on this thing.

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hold on i disagree i don't think he's riding a bitch me either as i was saying i was like i can't defend them you went too deep too fast i went too far yeah you didn't kick that out I was saying I was like I can't defend Okay, maybe John wick on the back of a motorcycle killing people while his girl drives You know what man you wouldn't say John wicks a pussy. Well, you know, you know, we can't Undeniable he cannot be a cuck. There's a big there's a big but this guy was

The guy that he's talking about surely was I mean I didn't even think he was a badass in the show Anybody was a badass in the cartoon. Yeah, so it's like Wait a minute, but it's all with who who wrote it though. I like it's not really Star Wars It's just this new thing that they use using Star Wars. The Star Wars universe. In Star Wars, it's Luke Skywalker and Darth Vader and that's it. It's Obi-Wan Kenobi, it's C-3PO, everything else you're just stealing my money. That's the truth. Pretty much what I think.

Like listen, right now Han Solo would be toxic. Han Solo was the fucking PIMP. How about when Han Solo's about to go with the fucking carbonite? As a kid watching this, as a kid, oh, it's emotional. He's getting lowered into the fucking carbonite. You don't know if he's gonna survive this thing. Chewie's sitting there upset, fucking Lando's

being a bit of a, you know, we're unsure about Lando. And Leia. Wait a minute. No, I love Lando. He's a badass but Leia goes to him. I love you. What the fuck does he say back? Watch this. What does he say back? Could you keep playing or no? Watch this. He says I Look at that first of all yeah. Watch this. Yes! That's my fucking Star Wars! He doesn't know if he's gonna live! He doesn't know if he's gonna live. He doesn't, and he does love her, he does. He's the fucking man. I love him in solo.

I love him in a group. Hey, Ezra, Ezra, take notes. Matt Serra, former UFC welterweight champion, is also a nerd. Oh, I am the biggest nerd I know. Full on, 100%. Full on nerd. First, can I thank you now?

Cause listen, this show doesn't come without perks. Listen, I was only geeking about the VR last time. Nerd first. Can I thank you now? Cuz listen this show doesn't come without perks listen I Was only geeking about about the VR last time so all sudden you know I love that pop one I still do I was just playing it before I got here Another guy got attacked to me from caveman studios this guy Lonnie goes look I love how enthusiastic you are try this game in a beta testing so So it's not even out. Yes It's coming out at the end of the month. Contractors showdown. Fucking money! I don't play anything but POP 1. Am I getting off the subject? We're just talking about MMA.

No, we're talking about MMA. We got the MMA. Listen, holy shit. It's like Warzone. It's like Call of Duty war zone I love the I love the battle royale format where it's like a squad and then everybody gets brought in together You got to take each other out. It's cool. That's kind of let's pop one Technically, it's fortnight not to sound like a nerd this shit contractor showdown Fucking nerdgasm. I love it I love it You parachute out you right now when you go you loot up right you get money you get hands with the fuck Well, you see yeah, he must have some damage. He had to heal up a little bit

So you get gone go to war you got money. Yeah, you get your boys and then you're like look not I don't know about that nerd We're here now look all right now that you see the perimeter Dude everybody gets brought in you get scopes you put it on you get money You could buy stuff put it on and you're taking these guys out you're sniping them and this is all in virtual reality It's in virtual reality. It's fucking cool, dude That guy likes it. You should get a new job reviewing VR games. That's not a bad idea actually imagine It's so much magic if you had a YouTube channel. Imagine that's actually a great idea. He wouldn't do it though. Just video him playing the game.

Just get someone to do it. That's a fun game. You should get the USC to do that. Do you still do the thing with Jimmy? Yeah, man. Okay. Jimmy, me and Jimmy, twice a week. UFC unfiltered. Why don't you get the UFC to just film you doing that too as well? Dana, you listening, motherfucker? It's a great idea. Dude, it's a no miss.

You'd be fucking awesome at that. We're gonna have fun. You really love these things. Your character. I mean, look how enthusiastic he is about it. Anyway. Yeah, you should 100% be reviewing games. It's so funny, because that could be very sad normally when a 50-year-old's fucking

up. I'm gonna be 50 this year. Last time I was on here, they did a thing called my dad is a gamer and had me on air But I love that shit, it's fun. It's fun. It's harmless. It's fun. I've known you you've been on it It's harmless if you can control it, but but you they're so fun. You'll wind up wasting your whole life My thing is it's like getting a fit. Everything's about balance like like passing the guard, you'll wind up wasting your whole life. Well that's why, my thing is, it's like getting a, everything's about balance, like passing the guard, you know? I feel like I deserve it at the end of the day.

If I go, I do a 7 a.m. class, I fucking do my podcast, I go back, I'm rolling with my wife, I had a full day, you know what, I deserve two hours, no, an hour, a couple games, whatever it is. Three hours. Yeah, no, you definitely do, but you're a disciplined man. Well it's fun, but you hour a couple games. What are your hours? Yeah? No, you definitely do you're a disciplined man Well, it's fun, but you're a disciplined man. Most people don't have a type of discipline Yeah, but you're an accomplished martial artist. You're you run a business. You have a family

You're you're a disciplined man. If you just a fucking dorky kid. Oh, yeah Just a job Dorky kid. Oh, no. Yeah It's the same thing with the reefer like if you're a guy doing stuff every day and you and you're smoking that it could help Yeah, but if you're like in that commercial one, hold on. They're blowing the shit out the window. Hey, ma I the guys gonna call me back. I I left a message for the job. That's a problem Living at home you're fucking but you know everything in is how you use it Yeah back to what is that Star Wars mod for contractors and women? Contractors is a game that's all been out forever.

I'm not really into it, but the Contractors Showdown is coming out at the end of the month, and that's the Battle Royale version, nerd. My wife hears me talking about this online, and she's like, you fucking have no idea. You know, she loves me, but it's fucking, it could be a turn-off. I'm sure Oh, yeah! Look at the abs.

Cut that! Fuck it, don't fuck with me. No, no, it's... I'm back to gluten-free. Yeah? I think the Zen thing's making me crazy. It's making you crazy. It's hyping you up.

That's great. It's good. But not to mention... I'm gonna give you another one in five minutes. No, don't do that! The real thing... The problem is this. The problem is this.

Step forward the accelerator. I start the day... Me and him went without the eat last night We went to the Brazilian joint and I and I didn't eat since cuz I got a clear out cuz I got a you know I got issues, you know So I had I woke up and I had the water and I had a double shot of espresso And I don't want to be and I was a little down last night because I had too much of whatever edible, okay

So I was a little like I hope I'm not like this tomorrow. So I had a five-hour energy Yeah, and now I had that in the coffee. So this is what it's on. It's on. I'm having fun. You were talking about Coming up with a name for us. Yeah, we need a name. Yeah, we need a name a cool Star Wars name Nerd guys Call it cucks that's not bad cucks that's actually kind of funny I was gonna say like the OG's but that's too serious that's too serious cut his cucks might actually work I like cucks. It's not bad. It's ridiculous. Yeah. You know, you want to be cucks? I kind of like I don't want to be a cuck. I'm kind of enjoying that. That's a placeholder it put aside, put a bookmark on it, come back to it later in the day. See

how we feel in an hour. Should we take a poll? What is your... No, you don't want to let the people be involved. They're going to hijack that shit and we're going to be cucks for sure. Yeah, no, yeah. 100% percent cucks. That will not be a fair vote. They would try to get us. Johnny, you had one first.

You were like the four horsemen. Oh, Jesus, that was a long time ago. I have a weird memory. I remember we had shit Remember I'm the furthest thing from a horseman You'll be on a stallion and me and Joe be on like ponies and Sturdy mule Watching a mule bite the fucking hyena. Dude they use them to bite wolves and coyotes and shit.

You think a hyena would want them? Mules are mean man, they're fucking mean. They're smart. Mules. They'll use them to protect the herd and shit. What? Mules are so much smarter than horses. People like them when they travel through the mountains because a mule won't go anywhere where it's not safe. A mule will go uh-uh bitch. I know better. Yeah, I know better. I'm not going over there. That edge is too steep. We're falling. And so a horse is just like, whoop-da-da-da. Horses just go right off the They just listen good not stand behind those motherfuckers though You either one horse kick you oh my god, so I watched a horse kill another horse no yeah in a video online

That's crazy spit up my cool. That's a donkey. Oh what I say they don't fuck you a mule I'm yours across the difference a mule across between a horse and a dog Yes, and they're they're not viable. Yeah, but what did you think that the hyena would fuck this thing really yeah? Yeah, you would think so, but it looks like that hyena is fucking tranquilized so because they're videotaping this Yeah, maybe it does look like they're playing I mean that doesn't seem very playful I mean that seems pretty violent on the on the donkey's part. Why playing but he's not I don't know man I don't think they play like that. I Think it does that is I think it recognizes that's a predator and it wants it to fuck away from it

Yeah, that's what I think it is man, and that thing's trying to bite it like what is going on here That's why it's a it's three minutes. I'm gay shit. I know right This niffin asshole Friends, maybe I'm out of line. Maybe they're friends. Maybe the hyena and the donkey will get along but probably not They're fucking predator and prey animals. Yeah but if they kick you bet so there's a video of these a Beautiful horses man, and they're in this corral and this one horse just starts kicking And he just kicks the other horse in the head and the head and it dies

It's just like it dies right then and there dies like you got shot like wow that's crazy falls down leg stiff Oh, yeah, all I do held it stuff this times I'm in the fucking bathroom like an hour at a clip in the middle of night all I do is watch those fucking animals on animals I'm either watching like the world's the hip-hop fights. I watch that more than regular fights I don't know because they're more fun. I saw one today. I don't think we could play it It's probably violates rules, but this dude is on the ground and he's basically like fighting this guy's got a helmet on It looks like there's some sort of a traffic

Altercation and the guy who's on the ground has a dude and he's like setting up a heel hook and the guys trying to Attack him and then the other guy comes over and punches them and then they separate them and when they separate him the dude Who's on the ground is like holding the guy like he's gonna set up a heel hook Pulls a gun out shoots him in the dick. Oh my god. Yes, just like this boom Shoots him in the dick. Oh What the fuck bro, it's Can't unsee, you know? I thought you'd never ask. Yeah, but you gotta see this.

It's so funny man. You gotta see it because I had to watch it, because it's an Instagram reel. I had to watch it a couple of times. Fuckin' wait so long for it. Just to try to figure out what exactly was going on. I always like to see what's going on out there, you know? I always like to...

Is it this video, Joe? No, no, hold on a second. Oh, the no no good get it get a score with some other shit Jamie yeah was this check up that last time for my fucking crazy yeah she's always on okay I said it to you oh that's okay this is the horse watch this. Oh, no, so this horse it just kicks Yep dead look at his legs good lord it died his legs. Oh Wow, yep, bro, you get hit by one of those you might as well get shot That's a hoof at the end of a shame

Yo, what did not show the guy getting shot the dick now What did you ever try horse you try to listen? Yes? How is it good? It tastes like wild game? I tried it in Montreal. This is amazing restaurant Montreal called Joe beef and Me and Duncan and Ari ate there, and they they served you they had Horse tartar so it's essentially raw horse and then they had like a horse fillet they serve this horse fillet I was like wow this is weird you know you see horse meat Patrick O'Tay my boys in the house yeah yeah we used to get a list of what we could put on there what we wanted he put horse meat on his list and we like what the smart yeah that's all those dudes up north in in Canada you know I almost I almost don't want to see this yeah Yeah, you do. Yeah, you do

So watch this way so this guy this gotta be Brazil. I don't know but look see the other guy comes over kicks him They push him away now watch this Keep an eye on the guy on the bottom He's got a gun. Yeah, watch here Come on yeah watch it come on yeah wait is he still fighting? no no he's starting to replay whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa Jesus and the best is it looks like they're doing a little alright they might be blue belt level. I was about to say that's definitely Brazil. That guy's got a strike or two on his butt. All right We Brazil I don't think that could be just

Bro, bro, bro, dude, keep that shit between you and Tom Segura Just to watch it fuck oh No, you gotta wonder what other damage that oh, that's it does it's over Lost everything you lost a lot that bullet probably blew his fucking To his organs you gotta you gotta really try to avoid everything in this everything everything what I always tell Dean Thomas the troublemaker Dean does mellow me out. Yeah, every time we do a show he gets it almost gets in a fight. We are first of all Second of all We we did everything come out yet, but we did that fucking cold plunge on that fucking show Let me ask you something about the degrees of that cuz I'm gonna bow I'm thinking about adding this into my routine the cold ones

I swear me because I start my day with a steam I'm thinking about putting it a little a small one in my locker room upstairs in my thing, but It was fucking brutal is what it was when we did it. It was 32 degrees 34. Okay, I'm trying to get It was 32 degrees 34. Okay. I'm trying to get Three minutes is that is that pussy shit? No, that's normal. Yeah, that's what I do every day 34 3 minutes every day that was fucking Workout, but did you all right? Let me next question is did you build up to that? Yes Third day I did 20 minutes stop no I did I filmed it 34 degrees yeah I wanted to see how long ago we handled it differently yeah we sure did

he was quiet and then once in a while you hear like a Goggins come out of him like I CAN HANDLE THIS! I'm carrying the boats and all that shit and I'm fucking... I just wouldn't shut the fuck up. He wouldn't shut the fuck up. I was thinking to myself like, well he shut the fuck up I can't concentrate in this moat. I had to keep myself, I wanted to jump the fuck out. And Dana was right there and... Did he do it?

He did it. How long? He does it every day. Dana does it. That's right. I'm pretty sure he told me he did it? He told me he does it at like 50 degrees yeah Yeah, it's okay, okay. Yeah, look it's still cold stay in her life I don't I don't think it has the same amount of an effect probably But I'm just guessing it might be the same thing if you did like 50 degrees for like five minutes Maybe that's that's the same as like 34 degrees for three minutes or two minutes. I don't know

I don't know that I'll do that. Yeah, but I kind of like little I like the part where I don't want to do it And then I do it I like that you do it in the morning first Like how do you do that in the morning like that's the last thing that I want to do when I wake up Exactly, that's why you do it. want to do when I wake up. Exactly that's why you do it. You do it it's easy it's an easy win. It's an easy win. Imagine if all day you were thinking about oh I gotta do it I gotta get it in and get it done. It's also you know you don't want to do it and yet you did it so it's an easy win. Well I felt like that when I after we finished so I

bought one but I purposely didn't put it together yet. So just so I didn't have to do it. Just so I don't have to look at that moment and think myself like a bitch. I think it's an easy thing to add to my morning routine. Cause I have a nice routine as it is. I start like seven AM, I do that class. I get up at five, I get there early.

I get my head straight and I get in the steam, that nice steam after that. So I like getting my head straight and I get in the steam that nice steam after that So so I don't you know, I like getting my head straight, but I don't like smelling bad So I like this like after I'm just I'm in the I'm zen mode man, and I'm caffeineed up now. You're in zen mode Get into that shit, I like it as long as I'm not fucking craving Like marbles if I get over the shit What nicotine am I or need it? Well, just don't get it

What don't get more of it? I'm saying if I stop this in am I gonna want more of it Well, I don't know how your body works, but a lot of people get addicted to it Well, thanks for turning me on to it. Yeah fucking crack I think it's good for your brain Yeah But I think you know, you got to be careful if you're one of those guys Well, I mean how many of them do you take a day?

Yeah, talk to me Jamie look at teen prevents the formation Yeah, talk to me Jamie, look out for me. Nicotine prevents the formation in the test tube of protein clumps linked to... There it is. Okay, this is the thing. So nicotine prevents the formation in the test tube of protein clumps linked to Alzheimer's disease scientists announced at a press conference today. The finding may provide a useful starting point for developing drugs that delay or prevent the disease.

A research is quick to caution, however, that harmful effects of smoking strengthened by report in Science last week, linking a carcinogen byproduct of cigarette smoke to a specific kind of lung tumor, far outweigh any possible benefit from nicotine and tobacco. But what they're saying is, don't smoke. But the nicotine itself? Yeah. I think nicotine itself, nicotine definitely is a nootropic right like if you can google that so it's a substance that's been shown to enhance cognitive function It's one of things that like Stephen King said when he stopped smoking

Is that was one of the hardest things for his writing. So there's like a synapses didn't fire as fast. Oh What does this say? Nicotine's cognitive effects have gained significant attention in recent decades and some nonsmokers have even started using nicotine gum or patches as a nootropic. Research has shown that nicotine can speed up reaction time, improve working memory, and enhance focus and attention. What? Dude? Yeah. You got me. I know. You got me. What me Watch me in VR now Before you play that's nice man

Interesting right interesting. Yeah, man, as long as it's The alpha brain that's great. Yeah, I'm interested in anything that gives you like a positive effect. Yeah We're also what about dick pills Also, what about dick pills? Anything that has a positive effect on your life. You know? It's fun to party. Yeah, I used to take the alpha brain all the time. Then I ran out and forgot.

Oh, we'll get you some. We'll get you some. I'll get some sent to you. But all those other ones are really good too. That Neuro One shit, that stuff's great. You can put it in a protein shake Or you just drink by itself taste good There's a bunch of them. How many of the zin things would you do a day like one? I it takes me a few days to go through one packet. I don't know how many is in a packet

So, but would you take more than one a day? Yeah, I'll take one two three a day or a day if I feel like it Yeah One two three a day really or a day if I feel like it. Yeah Okay, and you feel a different, but I do yeah But I do like to know that I could take days off take days off my how I feel feel fine You do feel fine. Don't feel weird. Don't you use it before like a podcast or before before show? Yeah for that like a podcast. So you see Has to have a purpose. This is also the same reason why I drink coffee a lot I'm trying to keep my brain going if I'm talking to really smart people.

I was happy when I saw that guy and he was telling me what I should, because I got my, so I took, did I tell you, so I took the shit in the box. Oh yeah, the shit in the box. Yeah. Stop that story. Oh, I'm sorry.

You stopped that shit. You stopped that shit in the box. I'm sorry, all right, so, so, I had a, so after I saw the guy and he gave me the sample like all right listen I'm gonna knock this thing out. It took me a while. It was months before I did it But then I find out real quick. Does the shit in the box go to a doctor or to know they come in They come and pick it up and then they go to a lab Doctor why he gets the results from it

We wanted to find out what's the definition of holistic. Is it the problem might be in just that people have co-opted that term and use that term holistic for a bunch of hippie shit. But a holistic doctor, I'm telling you, holistic approach. What is the exact definition of holistic? Listen, and I said I could smell bullshit, you know, I'm right, I met the guy I'm like again I was expecting half a hippie and he's... OK, characterized by the belief that the parts of something are interconnected and can be explained only by reference to the whole. Well that's logical. Here's the medicine definition.

Characterized as a treatment of the whole person, taking into account mental and social factors rather than just the symptoms of an illness. Many people conclude that holistic medicines are beneficial so the problem is not it's the like when I hear that word holistic I think bullshit already just hippies even but if you're talking about medicine it totally makes sense I agree he was just it's been co-opted right it's a good word we were doing a zoom thing with me him and my wife you know because he wanted her there because you know I'm like a big kid I don't want any vegetables and I don't know what he's gonna tell me to eat and shit and I'm a I don't like eating bad you know I'm

picky my eating right so I was afraid what he was gonna tell me so when we went on there he was showing me all the stuff that uh well first let me tell you I took the shit first so I was afraid of taking the shit because you never know how it comes out and I was really like, I didn't know where to do it. So I went into my, I went to, you guys don't have to hear about it. You're in now, mother.

Yeah, so I go to my school. It's too late. Listen, I like to keep stuff somewhat spicy with me and my wife so I don't want to do that my house guy for me that goes all over. So I go to my shower at my school, right? And I'm basically, and thank goodness it wasn't all over the place and I was doing it more of like a standing, like I was almost like a rodeo rider. So you catching it?

Yeah, you know, you really got to make sure your wrist stays parallel yeah could you imagine for real you get a little accidental dip yeah you know it's bad about it is if you take everything my gut so so after I took the shit, you gotta, it's almost like, and this really ruined my love of Nutella because I used to always like the fucking little scoops with the, because you gotta take a little spoon in your shit and he goes, make sure you get different sides of it.

If there's a watery part of this, I'm like, oh. And I'm not doing it, oh. So I'm in there and you gotta do the, and you gotta put it in a little vial. And gossip, you guys wanted to hear about it. So after that you take it, you shake it off, and then you put it in an envelope and you ship it off. So that was the story of that.

And then when they seen the stuff that was highlighted in the red zone, like what is gonna be affecting my gut? Like I had, I think he said there was like a parasite you know spaghetti there was like a parasite all right what kind of person I don't know the fuck he was usually get this something you have you have animals no I don't fucking have animals I don't know what the fuck but there was also I'm like a big bacteria in there you know so the clear of that bacteria I'm like no, I don't fucking have animals. I don't know what the fuck but there was also um, like a big bacteria in there You know, so the clear with that bacteria. I'm drinking a shake this thorn type shake

I don't it's called thorn but it's that and I'm on different supplements from I don't eat I don't eat vegetables so there's these the I got these four green pills on to supplements and We'll see how it goes. It's fresh. It's only like a weekend because it took me forever to do that shit in the box. So I'll let you know how it works. I don't know how it is yet. Ari Shafir was on Legion of Skanks, this podcast they do. So they film it live in front of an audience.

And Ari had taken a shit in a Tupperware and brought it on stage. Who did he give it to, Luis Gomez? No, why would you give it to big J? Fucking mine dude, so no opens up the open of this Tupperware and the smell People start running out of the room good lord there is there that? There's nothing worse than the smell of human shit. I don't know if that video. Especially with someone else. Yeah right yeah. Yours is bad enough. Mine's bad enough. Yeah. Like when you take a horrific shit. It's a bit, I'll tell you. Then someone in your family goes in there after you and you're like, I'm so sorry. I'm sorry Menace, but I'm gonna do it you met my boy meanest. Yeah, yeah

We were in California we were hanging out we hit that one of them Del tacos So food the fucking all right. He's got to take a shit. He comes out of the fucking bathroom dry heaving his eyes water and from his own shit May you know mean this too that amazed me, I was like this motherfucker come out, I'm talking he was like, his eyes are watering, it was his own shit what's the name of his diner?

Valentino's love it bro that is hilarious, your own shit is so bad you dry heaving oh come on is this it? oh no go from the beginning way go from the beginning go to the beginning

I don't think you'll see it Oh Jesus Smile is that Mickey go around? Gagging just looking at that Go right there I think it is Mickey. I think it is Mickey dude. I legit almost threw up Did you see that Jamie I? Legit almost threw up Can't look at that get that off the screen

Are you not even away from it? I know right? I can't look at that get that off the screen. I will throw Are you not even away from it? I know right? It is funny though, he's in my mind the best Ari is the best he's such a psycho he's crazy he's still training He fucked his knee up Fucked his knee up then think what he trained for a little bit Got a brand new knee everybody's tapping out now. They got the fucking nice Meet when you're still rolling even with the new knee I am I am but I'm a little more choosy what my you know picky with my does it have the same stability I lost you first what's that does it have the same stability like what is it like the problem is I was rolling one of my

buddies Abe my black belt Abe and I'd always meet up with him because we have nice training sessions and it's not I don't think it's my knee as much number I told you I tore my quad in the rehab like I was stepping down too high and I tore that shit so it's a little deformed and I was but if I went the butterfly sweep them and when I went the butterfly sweep them something popped on the outside like if I show you my leg is a little something on that knee and if it I don't know what I strained or what I pulled what I don't know what MCLs I have left I don't know what the fuck's

there but it felt weak for a bit after that so I haven't rolled super hard since and that was over a month ago Did you do any of that like knees over toes stuff? Huh, I heard about that man Seems like it works. It does work Knees over there's a guy knees over toes guy on Instagram and this dude had gone through a bunch of knee surgeries and You know it like real problems and realized that part of the problem was he wasn't strengthening all the stabilizing muscles all in and

around his knee with like tibia raises and those step downs and walking backwards on a treadmill and then I would know led to yeah and Nordic curls when you're lying on your chest and you bring your body up only with your legs I do those every day. I do those too on a slant board Yeah, I have a slant board But those Nordic curls are so fucking hard to do like when you first do it you're like, oh my god This is crazy super hard so the whole idea is about strengthening all the muscles that stabilize the knee and most people just using the leg and

They're hoping that all that work gets done but if you really want to make your legs really strong where the the knees are really stable you really want to do things that stabilize that I mean think about how much of a knee injury puts you out every elite athlete should be doing this kind of shit yeah like I have pretty bad patellar tendonitis in my left knee and it's helped pretty much eliminate it. Yeah, it's pretty impressive stuff and this guy gives it all away for free because his philosophy was, look, if I was an 11-year-old that had a knee injury, I would want this

available to me. And so he's a fucking awesome guy. He's been on the podcast before. Oh yeah? Yeah. I gotta start doing this shit. But his stuff is rock solid, man. I I mean my knees feel so much better doing that. Yeah split squats

slant board Bodyweight squats I do a hundred of those every day. I do the Nordic curls. I do all that shit That's where I got to get on that slant board and step off and touch your heel to the floor, too Yeah, that's great. I got to be more disciplined with that shit. And you use the sled, the backwards, walking backwards with the sled? Yeah, I'll do it for like 10 minutes. Amazing.

Throw a couple plates on and just, you know. Back and forth, back and forth. So that worked because I got no meniscus in my left knee. So and I just always feel the bone grinding. We were talking about the cadaver meniscus. They do do that now. You looked in any like gel one or Sinvisc two, like sometimes you can get a shot

that'll help with some of that. It only lasts four to six months, but it's better than having your knee grind. I got one of those once and it didn't really seem to help me. Didn't help you? No. Yeah, mine, I mean mine I liked. And then I got the stem cells.

But I've talked to people that had no meniscus at all and they got one of those things that was like my knee was brand new again for months. I had a guy, he's firefighter, my buddy Carl, his knee was jacked and he's the one that told me about the gel one and all and he was doing it and it allowed him to come back and train and everything and eventually insurance wouldn't pay for the shot but they would pay for his knee replacement it's so crazy instead of 1500 dollars shot they pay 50 G's. It's a scam. The thing with those knees though, me and you last night I'm not doing that without my new knee. Walking around town, I'm not doing that. I'd go to a Tropicana for a fight and I'd be at my

buddy and we have to stop every how many feet? I'm like, yeah, we got to chill. I'm like dude. He's like dude. It's time So now I could That's why I'm not getting the other one done for until I have to it's time My problem was anytime I would injure something I would not give it enough time Enough time and I'd be like it's good enough, you know, and then it would get aggravated again It's like goddamn it. Now. It's chronic. See I don't like to do all those exercises and shit I think I'm scarred from all the only way I

Old-school shite, it's so my goes the best. I love very long Greatest reality show What about UFC producer yeah You too pitch imagine that long goes one of a kind long Long goes as one of my favorite just an old school guy And this doesn't never had a contract with anybody just always is they're helping people for the right reasons Not just to get his face in there Nowadays he's just a bunch of fucking whores out there. He's just a real man

Fucking love that guy, but I love the two of you together when you guys were in the corner. It's Like that one so fun, it's also what rock solid information he knows that we keep it very simple, you know and It's just crazy nowadays, you know, it's it's a little it's a little weird now like with the whole team man Like, you know times change and stuff but like everybody's out in Vegas now the whole team's like I mean everybody's doing well, so we're all happy for everybody but like Vegas is very tempting for young fighters and it's and I don't blame them like well the facility that is gonna pull people out the P the P I all your

food is taken care of and you have the most sophisticated training environment available on earth and if there's something better they're gonna get it whatever the fuck it is and they said I mean it's a beautiful thing I think it's fantastic the only thing I think it's fantastic The only thing I think it sucks for is that you have these guys who are coming up You know with their people at home then they get to where they're at the UFC they get to the PI which is awesome And then some school in Vegas is claiming you know yeah Team or nothing you know said He's a great coach

But if I got a guy who's out here and he's been with you for you know, yeah I think you can't take credit for that guy. Yeah, I think you know in a perfect world either He just is there. Yeah, and you know, it's just make sense But I think in a perfect world they collaborate and then they're both there. I think in a perfect world That's how you know world that's how you do it. That's what Greg Jackson and Farrasahabi and all those guys did when they were trading fighters back and forth. They all trained together. That's the way to do it. But you never leave your original team if they're good. If it works out and you have a relationship

with them, you figure it out together. Unless you're trapped in a too small of an environment and your coach is just not able to fit the needs of like You know, there's some guys that are just super talented, but they start out in the middle of nowhere Yeah, and you know, they don't have a real good gym The guy doesn't really know the PIs high level like I think that's the best thing ever for the fighters It's yeah I'm in Vegas all the time and I'm working with all kind of fighters and I would never ask anybody to leave their team In fact, I'm like listen, I'll give you any information you want beautiful, but you can't leave your team. I'm saying like yeah I'm not taking you. I don't want you good beautiful

Taxes they save money with taxes out there It's a it's a very it's very desirable. It also creates a conflict where the conflicts not necessary, right? It's cuz it's like he's for sure getting new information, guys are getting new information from NICSEC, getting new information from training with everybody. You're on a path, but you're on a path with the people that you started the path with. Right, yeah, no doubt. Even if you're in this new place,

maybe you're enhancing your education, you're getting better at fighting, you're still, those are your people. And you want what you want, what's best for them if you really care for them. But at the same time, like, what did you sign up for? What did I sign up for? Like I'm not gonna be in a corner with somebody

and I could like them. But you know, me and Longo, what we did is with me and Longo, some local kids, that there's a time when it's like, Al's from Wantoor, Wyman's from Baldwin, they're all're all local kids who's fighting this one's taking out the best of Brazil This one's we're going to Australia. I was fucking up this guy in London It was this is what I'm a part of me and I'm gonna take an all guys to the flagpole And then who's with us Al Joe or ours our third guy?

I'm not beat. I didn't sign on for anything else like in other words I want to make these guys the best they can but once it gets to a certain degree now where it's like All right, man. This guy's gonna be in the corner and this all right well now that you guys are calling the shots You don't need me no more cuz I'm not gonna be fucking in the okays it might turn to take the towel Nick sick John would who wants to and I love those? Nick Zick, John Wood, who wants to? And I love those guys, they're good guys. I like them, they're good. I'm friendly with them.

But I'm not a part of that. And I want the best for my fucking guys. I love those guys. Fucking Marab is gonna be the next champ. Fucking... But Marab is unstoppable. I love that guy. And when he was carrying Henry Cejudo with his tongue out.

Oh yeah, I know. And he's like a baby. Unstoppable I love it and what he was carrying Henry sahoota with his tongue out. Oh And he's like a savage moment we're a savage but walking over to Mark Zuckerberg holding Henry to division world champion Look at that that's insane Marab the thing is what Marab he's's a savage. I've never seen, in all my years, I've never seen a gas tank like that. I never have. It's incredible. It's incredible.

It's incredible. Because it's not like he's slow. Like, you generally associate like, really high level endurance with guys that maybe don't have the kind of power he has. But he's also, he's durable. If you watched his fight with Marlin Marab, he's got one man. Not only watch this fight with Marlon Maran

Dropped it was almost about to get stopped, but then it was almost about the end of the round not only did he recover One back that round I never see I'm like holy fuck he's an animal. I'll tell you his social media is getting funny, too Yeah, he's a best animal and I'm happy that him and Aljo never fought they never you know what I mean? That's a beautiful thing did Aljo have to go up as no like really struggling. I don't why did he decide to go up? well, I think it's time I think I mean you'd have to ask him but It was a hard thing to get down to that weight I'm sure I mean he's done it he's a pro he's not good at that weight though yeah but man he could he'll strangle guys the size of Rallo I've seen him oh I'm sure he can but I just say I was a calcator but he always felt that he had like really good

endurance for a guy who cuts that much weight and he could push a pace and his size and the grappling advantage, when he strangled Corey Sanhagen, I was like, holy shit. That was impressive. Holy shit. But I think he's gonna be better now. So I've been working with him a little bit,

just talking to him and kind of consoling him. Yeah, he's healthier now. He's not concerned about his weight. And that was a big part for him at 35, is like half of his camp was just making weight and as as He like puts it. Do you think there should be more weight classes? I think so. I think so I think they should have been back in fucking 2001

Tweeter man 55 was fucking hard for me man, but I was like golem on that fucking scale, but uh 170 um imagine me now 170 with fucking MVPs and all these motherfuckers. I'll be up to the dick Fucking hard for me man, but I was like golem on that fucking scale, but uh 170 Um, I mean imagine me now 170 with fucking MVPs and all these motherfuckers. I'll be up there to get First of all shit on that guy. He make one said I had no idea Listen that's what he did. That's what I always was saying to handle Kevin Holland easily I was telling people those point fighters the guys who are elite at that skill of blitzing in that's what I always was saying. Telling people. He handled Kevin Holland easily. I was telling people those point fighters, the guys who are elite at that skill of blitzing in,

that's a very specific skill and it's hard to handle. And if you're just used to guys Muay Thai in you and then some guy is doing that, it's wild, wild. Yeah, I love tough dude, man. He handled them. No, when I trained to iron for Wonder Boy, we brought in karate people. We went to karate schools, looking for the best karate guys

just to be able to deal with that aspect of the fight. Yeah, well I still think Wonder Boy won, so what do you think of that? I think Tyron handled Wonder Boy better than anybody in Wonder Boy's prime. Right, right, right. I think he handled him better than anybody because he just waited on him.

He did a lot of waiting on him, but he fucked him up. Like he rocked him twice. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like bad. And you know, but but he fucked him up like he rocked him twice. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, yeah, and you know wonderboy was the guy thought to be the striker. I never really watched I saw some highlights of Michael page Michael venom page From Bellator, but I never really watched He's sensational he is people was shit on his Appearance I thought it was I thought it was great. He fought Kevin Hollins.

In his first fight in the UFC, he jumped into the deep end of the pool with a real dangerous guy who's got one punch knockout power from his fucking back. Remember that shit when he knocked down Jacques Array from his back? It's the first guy in there, whoever fucking, Kevin Hollins, Kevin Hollins.

You understand? Kevin Hollins usually talking shit, winning or losing. in there whoever fucking Kevin Holland Kevin Holland you understand like he Kevin Hollins usually talking shit winning or losing you know he's on the bottom of the eye go like hey you're stronger than I thought yeah he had him he had him you know a little fucking um perplexed yeah I remember when I like to hear a lot of times when they go back to the corner dude he was mentally beat after the first round it really sounded like you can't hit that guy and when you get close he's so creative those spinning elbows he kept hitting them with oh I know and they go you got to cut him off he goes he's not there like you know

it's a different thing he's doing that point karate type movement like this shit and he trained over and over again it's that that ability to move in and out and his footwork is so sensational. It's like that is a different thing to deal with. It's like wrestlers. If you're used to grappling on your knees only and then all of a sudden you have to wrestle, what the fuck? It's a big difference.

It's kind of like that. These guys, their ability to close distance and that sideways stance. Machito had the same style the wonder boy did it the best yeah wonder boy wild shit in the UFC it's such a different style and my little Jimmy bird is always like I think keep their hands down I got you Jimmy it's a fucking remember one good boy Jake Ellen burger oh that's the kid okay yeah and this was like after Jake Ellen burger had said he's not gonna hit me when in that fancy so yeah I know he laughed he goes out of karate goes. That's cute something like that. Yeah, and he got embarrassed

I think wonder boy has the perfect con. Here's the perfect con. He's genuinely the nicest guy in the world He's handsome and wholesome. He's just a sweet sweet guy. And so that's like a mask that a killer wears He's fucking piecing you up and you're like, oh no Yeah, but that's what he did with Jack. Yeah, what he did with Jeff In the little cage You you get real confused back up a little bit so you can see before it you get real confused with this dude And you get confused by the way he looks and how nice he talks Fucking karate assassin. He's so good. They're probably the greatest karate fighter that's ever fought in MMA. He's so good

I mean, there's a Raymond Daniels. He was another guy that was like an elite point fighting guy That's also a kickboxer that fought in glory and yeah Raymond Daniels is good whoo he's the guy has that 720 degree punch yeah he's the guy with one punch yeah it's the craziest thing you've ever seen if you think a kick is coming and then he just goes what you saw it in a movie he's California guy or that's where his gym is I believe oh he's so dangerous dude Raymond Daniels does watch this Boom, I mean come on son. That is crazy. That's a crazy thing Prepare for that

And in Bellator he has one of the wildest knockouts excuse me not Bellator and glory and glory kickboxing He has this touch sidekick jump spinning back kick to the face ko You know high level kickboxing match man, but the way he set it up watch this It's this is a thing of beauty watch this here Man what what? What the fuck is that? Show that again show that again look at that dude. Are you fucking kidding me? I don't even know. I think you kicked him in his neck.

But he's still fighting. Like he's fighting in karate combat. That's why. That's shirt on. Bro, Raymond Daniels. Raymond Daniels, dude. And Raymond Daniels and Michael Venom-Page fought, I believe, back in the day in a point fighting match. So those guys that can cover

distance like that, that's a different thing, man. It's a different thing. I like that he's part of the UFC because there's so many nice matchups. At first I was liking maybe him versus won the boy. Then I was thinking about it more and I'm like, wait a minute, it might just be that. But there's a lot of nice matchups and he didn't look like he had those UFC jitters You know not at all. No, he's enjoying. I was impressed. He's really dangerous, man It's just it's so tall and such a sniper and just that movement good luck finding anybody emulate that shit in camp You know, I mean you got to get Raymond Daniels

Also, if you're your whole life is spent fighting at a certain pace and a certain distance, and all of a sudden this guy moves it by 30%. 30% is crazy. He's way back here. He's way back here and he's standing in front of you, and he's moving around. And you try to close the distance,

and they're just so fast, they beat you to it. You remember when Leota Machida knocked out Ryan Bader? Ryan Bader's trying to close the distance I'm just planting a left hand on them. It's like oh It was like that style is very hard to deal with if someone's really good at it and they can do the other shit Too. Yeah They can defend a takedown Go get it. So interested in Jamal Hill and Pineda. Yeah, I'm so interested in that

So interested in that fight is you think his Achilles is straight, dude. I don't know I mean, I would assume it is otherwise he wouldn't be jumping right again. I know it was more than eight months How many how many months ago did Jamal Hill injure his Achilles? He doesn't get I was there at the game. He was playing too. They was all playing a basketball game So we something stupid. Yeah, it's never he was that he was out. He could hoop though Jamal hook a play nice and he somehow get also some bump. Yeah Okay, so this was in July so August September October November December So this was in July so August September October November December January

I'd like to write on the more I need to have a little more I will know I would assume he's had to be on the bpcs and no you can't you can't even on injury No, you can't so they can't even get permission to you know you can do stem cells They can do PRP It's so silly. He sure as Achilles injury fully healed ahead of UFC 300. It's not a problem at all. Hey, man I don't think he's gonna be as wrestling. I don't think he gets enough props. First of all, I think he's a fucking beast He's trying to hills fucking dangerous. Why's the glower Glover? Yeah, why would go over? I watch the peace Glover up and Glover is fucking good I know. To piece him up like that on the feet.

Taking away his singles real quick, bop, bop. People underestimate him for some strange reason. And I don't understand it. I've heard people talk about his power. Watch that Johnny Walker fight. I know the Johnny Walker fight. You hit him in the forehead. It was like, gotcha death.

It was like, hit by a sniper. The OSP fight? Yeah, man. He's good, man. Bro, he's good. He's fucking dangerous. Show me somebody that did something to him standing up. Cause I'm not finding it.

That's what I'm saying. I'm not finding it. That's what I'm saying. I think Alex is going to be so confident, you know, shit happens. But I think Alex is going to be so confident because of all his kickboxing and everything else that with these little gloves,

I think Jamal's going to surprise him. He's going to fucking sharp shoot him. Jamal's a one punch knockout striker at light heavyweight for sure And he's a big tall dude, and he knows movement. He's fucking dangerous, man He's good at keeping his range bro. He's fucking dangerous Jamal Jamal's dangerous. I mean a lot of people are picking Paheta to run him over really which I think is interesting Yeah, I'm not sure about that

That man, dude, I think this is gonna be a great fight. Oh, yeah the thing about Paheta though is he's Ultra high level like people just think about only his power and you only think about like cuz he's got that He's got the most insane touch of death yeah same he just sleeps people with everything but when you see his movement and that sneaky shit he does where he gets that calf kick off you don't see yeah you don't even see it you don't see man you don't see shit and when he checks his kicks he doesn't check him he gets his foot like a hacky sack position. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, he lifts his shin up so you just slide and under it you ain't getting shit

And he's coming down with the right hand every time He's good man, but I just fucking good I think the speed of Jamal Hill is gonna be the difference as long as he has it and that Achilles doesn't hinder him Yeah, well goddamn it would suck if he came in at 70% 100 because he needs don't need to be a hundred because if they you know the thing is there's got to be a lot of Pressure to be UFC 300 you know and you might be I could do and I could do it. You know I don't know I'm hoping it's a hundred percent I Just hope they for sure got him some stem cells, and I would imagine you know he's an elite UFC

World championship caliber athlete. He's the world champ. He just released his title no doubt I mean he's fighting for his title essentially right cuz he didn't lose right he gave it up He got injured when he did I bet he only gave it up cuz Yuri gave it up to he did I mean it's basic what he said when he gave it up kind of like I'm gonna get out of the way. I'm not gonna hold on That's why I like them guys because what other division would do that? What other guys... I don't think anybody else would do that. Well those guys are warriors. That is a warrior division.

Even Yuri who thought the fight was prematurely stopped, he wouldn't say it inside the octagon. Like afterwards he said. Yeah, afterwards he said it could have continued. I hate when guys are bitching right afterwards or they start talking about the injuries They had and everything that one was a that was a close one though when you watch that one You're like, oh you could have won I thought it was a I mean close but I thought it was a fair stop. Yes I thought fair stoppage to same dr. Aaron Rodgers had oh, okay

Okay, went to the right guy. I bet Jamal got all the good stuff Yeah, well, what's the right guy? I bet Jamal got all the good stuff Yeah, well that's good then Cuz only you don't need it. Yeah, Aaron Rodgers was he was practicing quite a bit It was like five months in already, he was out there throwing and shit He said like his strength of the leg wasn't the same his ability to push off It wasn't the same but you know, so it was getting a lot better I just don't want Jamal to be compromised in any way in that fight. It's such a big fight Yeah, but like I said man his speed and his instincts and his vision. It's just different and he's very he has that he's got that boxing

Punching set where he's those straight where you know, Paheta is a little loopier Well Paheta does fight with his hands way low too And he kind of like lures guys into these slugfest because he's got such insane Counterpower his one loss Jamal Hills from that fucking Paul Craig has one of the most dangerous guards in any fucking division. I love period full stop No, remember we caught uncle I have one second Period I love it. Period full stop. I know. Remember we caught Onkelayev? One second to go in the fight. One second to go. He catches him in a triangle. How does he got wins over Jamal Hill and Onkelayev? That's how good his guard is. His guard is sensational. His guard is what everybody's guard should strive to be. Exactly. Exactly. That's what I love and I still it'll never go out of style no matter what happens with Jiu-Jitsu.

Like you know like at my school I've everybody doing the latest fucking leg lockers of this and that but this is a horrible one cuz he Yeah dislocate his arm is completely flopping around. It's already broken by this point. He's still trying to fight though That's the fucking oh Jamal's an animal look at it. He's still not he's he's such a warrior dude. They stopped the fight He wasn't quitting. He's a beast and his arm is far. He just looks at it Yeah, he's fucked dude. I'm remember what it looked like when it was going backwards. It was for yeah. Yeah, it was for I think He's winning the fight to be honest with you. I do and I like Alex. I think he's really I swear I think he's winning. He doesn't listen. I think it's a very

Real close on it. So it should be I think it's a pick-em-fight. Me too. I can see a bunch of scenarios going both ways. I think people underestimate Jamal. The thing is though, Jamal does stand with almost like a boxing stance sometimes. I wonder how good he's going to be at getting away from the calf kick. That is such a primary weapon in pehadas because he's so fucking sneaky with it. And his is the best. And even though everybody knows that he's sneaky with it. It's still hard to, you can't defend it.

The one thing about Jamal, he's smart though. Jamal is a very intelligent fighter. For a young guy, he's very cerebral and I think he understands that that might be a problem. So he should have an answer for it early. Yeah, you gotta have an answer for that He's got all these combinations that he sets up that are based on your reaction to certain movements And it does he like repeats these patterns and fights and it's always surprising

Yeah, he's repeating you see like the way he's able to land those things is so surprising and he's just got this very specific strategy I'm gonna kill that leg and then you're fucked and I hit really hard and you're not gonna be able to get out of the way Did you ever get hit with one of those calf kicks? No me neither. I'm happy I didn't know Play it just play kick me and it hurts like hell I did I did before they were a thing and I think it was my fight against Josh near And the day seemed like the dude who would use a cat against Josh Near and he seemed like the dude who would use a calf. But they weren't the thing, I think it was an accident and he kicked me in the calf and I swear I thought my leg was broke.

I was like, I couldn't walk. I thought my leg was broke. Now imagine Paheta. Yeah, I know. Imagine him slamming him repeatedly. He fucked up Jan Bojovic's shin. Jan Bojovic is literally made out of rocks. That's right, he literally made out of rocks. Yeah

I Guarantee you if they do some bone density. He's got some fucking Viking rock bones that that That dude hits so goddamn hard. Hey, but what about the BMF? I'm in Max engaging. You're not really interested in that one. I am interested in that You know why I'm interested in that because people are counting max out I'm not I think max might win max Has had a lot of times to put a lot of time to Justin's a 230 favorite I would not take that Can I just say that they were they're basing a lot of that shit on his fight verse Dustin Poirier right if you hear That's my opinion to hear max talk about it

He had only six weeks to prepare for that thing. And he was doing this for like 10 or so weeks. And I don't know, man, Max is an intelligent guy. I was there, we were there live when he fought Calvin Cater and he's looking away, I'm the best boxer. And he moves his head and he fucking hits it. And you remember when Dana was like, somebody needs to stop this. Dana was like scared for Calvin Cater's life.

He could have stopped. Dana was like somebody to stop this Dana was like scared He put a real beating on Calvin that it takes a long time to recover from I mean the amount of Punches that he landed on Calvin were insane my thing with the Dustin and Max fight was I thought Dustin just physically Bullied him around the ring like he doesn't there was a shame I think that's gonna be a problem if that if my perceptions right then that would be a problem because I think Justin stronger and more of a bully and his leg kicks which max never seems to check is I think his leg kicks could present a problem but I can't hear because he had a problem with that would walk in off ski yeah and the thing about gate she Gagey lands them in the clinch.

Yeah, that's he can be standing like. It's insane. I know. His flexibility is insane. It's insane. This was a such a beating. This was a beating. This was wild man. This is wild live because it was it was during the. And Calvin Kater. I mean, he's a fucking dangerous dude. He's got real good boxing and he just couldn't touch Max

Well, I see a single for Aljo Told you old Biggie Jones tapped cater back in the day first loss. I'm big Jones Yeah, one of my guys James Biggie Jones one of the reasons why I'm interested in this is because I think Max is gonna go into this fight with a tremendous amount of anticipation. This is not a fight that you don't get real scared about. He says, this is a fight you gotta really fuckin' prepare. And when Max gets pushed, you see the best,

he's still, what is he, 33? He's one of my favorites. Yeah, he's young. Yeah, Max is not out of his prime. He started, he was what, 19? We kind of put aside when a guy loses the title that maybe they're not as good as they used To be but max keeps getting better not to mention his nuts I mean, let's think about when he was gonna fight Habib on 24 hours. Oh, yeah But out of doubt one of my favorite fighters, that's not he's a beast and he's a sweetheart of a guy Yeah, right. Yeah, no doubt nicest guys

And he talked openly about like why guys like Connor why those guys gas out guys like Aldo He was like they got too much power man. Yeah Did you see Roadhouse I did not see Roadhouse I seen Roadhouse One to ten how high were you? It's fun it's like an 80s type movie It's like silly in a way like like you know it's not too serious in a sense, but uh But it's fun. I like Jake to Jake he's like the ball yeah Jake carried the movie and let me tell you Connor what an actor I mean he did himself

yo what an actor he's gonna take the world Hollywood by storm he's playing himself basically right play himself in a bunch of movies about Guy Richie's on speed dial I mean but all he had was a lot of movies about Guy Richie's on speed dial I mean, but all he had was a lot of one-liners So it's easy to deliver what this is right Connor McGregor could be a movie star He's 100% if the Rock can do it. You don't think on McGregor for sure he got the discipline to do it Percent but do it and he's a character man. Look at him He's a fucking character, dude. I like the part in the movie when he takes the trolley and he throws it into the... Oh no, that's a different...

That happened in real life. Listen, I liked him in the movie though. He wasn't... It didn't take you out of the movie. Yeah, I thought the movie was cool. You know? Well, I was definitely watching it. It's supposed to be a fun...

I'm going to get to about nine. It's not the original one. On a one to ten, I'll get watch it. It's supposed to be a fun... I'm going to get to about 9. It's not the original. I'll get to about 9. It felt a bit corny, but... I like a corny movie. If you like corny movies and just want to be entertained, it's the perfect movie.

I loved the first road house. There was no Sam Elliott character. I didn't have a Sam Elliott character. That disappointed me. Why wouldn't they have a Sam Elliott character? That disappointed me. That's true. Why wouldn't they have a Sam? They should get that guy from Yellowstone. That old dude with the mustache from Yellowstone, right? He looks like Sam Elliott.

What's that guy's name? Is it real cowboy? Yeah, that's a real cowboy. No, not Rip. Rip is dead. The other dude. The older guy. He looks like Sam Elliott.

Yeah, he would be perfect. I have a Sam Elliott. I'm on the last season of Yellowstone tell me man why didn't they just fucking actual Sam Elliott I like yellow yeah right Patrick Swayze is dead but have a Sam actual Sam Elliott come back come on me ho who's a handsome fellow back there with that salt and pepper hair he's a real Marlboro man for sure son. What a voice that guy's got Yeah, my favorite was the baseball crew

Listen we talked about Star Wars a little bit. Fuck Star Wars ever since... What's that chick? The one... Yeah, I love the South Park thing. Put a chicken in, make a gay in lane. That's exactly what the fuck they're doing. Carmen hit the nail on the head. But fuck all that shit. The new... The new Star Wars. Fuck all that.

And it's pre-Star Wars. Did you see Dune and Dune Part II? No. Man, you got it. Star Wars fuck all that and it's pre Star Wars. Did you see Dune and Dune part two? No, I saw man You got it Joe Do you see it? I saw part one. I fell asleep. You fucking idiot. I couldn't help it. I'm sorry Man I work all day. Listen to me. Joe, these movies are so fucking good. Really? Okay, I'm excited. I see them.

I'm telling you right now, Josh Brolin's, first of all, I don't think Josh, from Goonies to that, he's never in anything bad, Josh Brolin. He's fucking awesome. He's in that. My mama was in it. I like the, you know, he could do a couple of pushups, but I like the Timothy Chamolais. Chamolais? Yeah.

No, he is. He's in Wonka, he's good. But these movies are so good. The director, he's a French guy, he also did Blade Runner, the new Blade Runner, which is another very underrated movie. These aren't underrated, these are popular, but Blade Runner is underrated, the new one. He's fucking awesome, man. This guy, what's his name?

Dennis. Yeah. He's fucking phenomenal. Sicario. But his name? Yeah He's fucking phenomenal cario, but I do one and do part two. He did a rival to do I'll tell you the arrival I Yeah, but I think I forgot about it. All right, those the one with the alien. Oh, yeah I speak with that was good. Yeah, that was great. Yes, they speak with like oh, yeah, that's right Yeah, they like are show him it's fucking dope. I liked it. Dune the characters, the fucking it's so good. Yeah. I haven't seen the second one. And it's so funny in the first one. I don't want to give it away, but he, the guy

he fights at the end of it is a guy. I had a jujitsu match verse this Babs. I swear to God, I dropped Sayonagi on him. Versus. Well, well that was your little that was your move bad man if you put in Matt verse Babs You see me throw the fucking guy Great in a movie. He's great in it He's pleased Jamis part of the Freeman the Fremen the Fremen's on Arrakis and they understand planets and this big giant farms You looking at me like you want to unfriend me I'm fascinated He's good I went for a submit a jujitsu match and Minotaur was the ref

It's um, was that a nagga? Yeah, it's nagga in 1996 Wow. It's um, was that a nagger? Yeah, it's nagger in 1996. Uh, if you put in, if you put in Matt versus Babs, you don't have to, I don't give a fuck. It's not about me, but, but I don't guy. And don't share that video. Well, first of all, look at those abs, but, uh, yeah, I mean, you could forward it a little bit. Yeah. You forward it a little bit, forward it a little bit. After I mount him, he gets up. This is back in the day, yo. This was like a Minotaur was the ref.

But yeah, you can fold it a tiny bit. After I mount him and I get off mount. But yeah, look at that. This is old school. But once I get off mount and he, right now you can pull it right after I missed the arm bar. But now this is for Paul Atreides. Sorry, if you know what, if you see the movie, ready?

You almost had that arm bar. I did almost have that, but Hensel got happy for this because he worked on me with his fucking throw. Boop, that's two points. Hey, what belt was this? This was when I was a brown belt and he was a purple. Watch one more second because I do a nice back take. You don't have to watch it now.

I want Joe to see it because Joe might be jiu-jitsu. Watch one more second because I do a nice back take This is our team versus the Alliance team back in a day and So this is the same thing on gomi, but it looks cool Oh, yeah, cuz what happens is you go first and it's almost like a second later for him to go. So it looks cool Look, I love Fun back So it looks cool It's dramatic You're gonna love these movies man, they're really good they got good characters they're deep and These movies man. They're really they're good. They take got good characters. They're deep and The action is fucking good. I mean yeah, I believe you it's good. I give it a chance

Even some of like but I don't believe timothy chalmers beating this guy in anything other than checkers I knew he needs to have some kind of super power. I'm not buying none of what I was just saying. You know how in Star Wars, like The Force and all that stuff? Dune by Frank Herbert. Stop looking at me, John Rawlings. John Rawlings like, I want to throw you in a locker. Shut up, Rallo. This shit's not happening. This is fucking not happening.

So listen, these books came out in the 70s and George Lucas got a, he took a lot from this. They use something called the voice that they control people instead of the force and shit like that. But very cool. Josh Brolin for the win. I gotta be honest, I like the force a lot more than the voice. Yeah. Well, you're thinking of the voice with that thing. Yeah. You don't seem like a movie guy. I like a few movies. But you seem like the type of with that session to be with you. You don't seem like a movie guy. I like a few movies. But you seem like the type of guy that likes to be outside and hunting and catching shit with your hands.

Like a good old white boy just been out there. I like doing things. If you spend too much time watching movies, it's like time you can't be actually doing actual things. I think of it as a reward. If I'm going to watch a movie, it's like I busted my ass all week, right? I can watch a movie. I had fucking you know to kill boredom like I'm like I my family went to Texas recently Dallas to go visit my sister-in-law and I was by myself and when you have you know

The deal Joe we have three kids and a and a wife and you got a routine It's different when there's nobody home and shit. So I'm like I just thought I'm just sitting there It's only so much VR you can play Yeah, so I went so I go to the movies by much VR you can play. You know what I mean? So I went, so I go to the movies by yourself. When you go to the movies by yourself in Long Island, it feels different than the city. In the city I do that.

Yeah, you feel like a pervert. Yeah, you feel like a little. It's like some fucking creeper rubbing his dick. The middle of a Goonies movie. So I'm in there by myself watching Frozen. What the fuck? I'm watching it. Let it go, let it go.

Disney movies suck, man. But I'm, yeah, so I'm when I watch, so I watch the fucking twice. Wow. Doon twice by yourself. Three hour movies. Don't say I don't have a life. I have a nice life. That's incredible.

Just I listen. You know what I could do? I could be out getting in trouble. By VR, by nerdiness. No bar fights. Yeah, just VR. You're much better off doing what you're doing. I could have went another route. My wife really, and let me tell you, I'd be wrong. I know bar fight. Yeah, just VR. You're much better off doing what you're doing

I know I could have went another route my wife really uh and let me tell you I didn't tell you this last time Joe And he knows my wife at 40 years old had an MMA fight. I saw it. She saw it online It was fucking phenomenal. It's crazy. I was like what is Matt Sarah? No, right Later age as a mother I was like what is Matt Sarah? Age as a mother Husband of a guy was a world champion decides to just start fighting right fuck it. Let's go She never threw a punch when I got that money when I won the title. She never threw a punch It wasn't she do the kick my inyoki. She was nothing. It wasn't. It's pretty crazy. And then she'd do the kickboxing between each daughter

to lose weight. And then she took a kickboxing match on the Lou Neglia, our buddy, who I used to fight on the, you know? And she was, didn't she become three in a, this is my wife's fight, look at this. This is me and her before. Is that you with the blue shirt? You're a son of a bitch.

That was it. That was it. before is that you with the blue shirt you're a son of a bitch before gluten-free that was it right that's what Dana used to say oh looks like you ate Matt sorry fuck but yeah that was that was me but I was so proud of her man because she got out of the cage long goes the one who greeted her at the fucking thing because I mean look She's fighting a purple belt from Virginia here And again like she never did any kind of sports in high school I mean if you see her standing up like she's she's like doing a fucking clinic man

She snaps down she takes the the back and and you know, she's a blue belt. She fought a purple belt It was always that last that um that chance of the girl You know doing something and you never know how these things go so she's one and done. I'm happy. She's done with it She did it awesome. It's nice for my daughters to see yeah, and now I'm saving myself from all the shit I said earlier about the fucking yeah No, my wife uh no, I'm just really proud of it was really nice. That's amazing cool It's kind of it's what a crazy aspiration at that age just decide fuck it. Yeah Fucking crazy. I thought I could have like your daughter helping her train and I mean what a cool like

The whole setup with the school and all like he's like his family's part of it now and it happened naturally Yeah, he didn't like drag them in and say I'll do this of it now and it happened naturally. Organically. Yeah he didn't like drag them in and say I'll do this. His girls were dancing and shit. Yeah my oldest just left dance to like pursue it full time and now she's got like a jujitsu max next month at the same place with my wife for it. It's cool and she's on the Lou Negle you have an event. It's cool and again you can't what I found with having a kid is you can't make them love it but you can make them hate it. Like I never tried to be like yeah I just always just play with them play with them and but now they live in at the school so cool

Family business, you know Dean have any new kids No kids for me I got one yeah, he's Sorry, T. I had no kids for me. I got one. Yeah, he's doing good though. Yeah, yeah, yeah, college kid. Shout out, Ethan. So what are the other interesting fights on 300? Mm. Pull that shit up.

You got the BMF, you got the BMF fight. You got Jean-Huay Lee versus Yan Xiaonan. That should be wild. Jean-Huay Lee is a monster. Yeah, I think she's a monster. Every time I'm at the PI she's always there She's never not training when I'm there. This is the dark horse all of era and so you can yeah What do you talk about that? What do you think about that that that sorry?

You can do it is a dangerous motherfucker But so is all of era all of eras the the wildest turn around of any fighter of all time One point time it would like fall short a lot Like you tap the strikes to Paul Felder Yeah, and it comes back and just knocks everybody out and just annihilates everyone and that like has no fear It's a good different human being was like reborn inside of his body because he was no not known for it But they he was known to be able to break. Yeah, so he's like if that's in him it stays in him It hasn't been in him for a while No, there's been smashing everybody. We smash Gachey. He smashed these by Gachey. Yes. Yeah, he beat Gachey

He beat who else would he beat Chandler Chandler? Look all that the Chandler one was crazy too because he got hurt real bad in the first round It's just also the power that he has is very unusual. He loses to Makachev. That's right, he beat Poirier. I mean, come on, son. I fell for- Beat Chandler, Poirier, and Gagey in a row.

I mean, that's wild. I fell for Bonilla on that fight, man, because Bonilla was doing so, like, Bonilla wasn't afraid to face him down there. A lot of guys are afraid to go down there with him to the floor. Yeah. I got a lot of guys are afraid to go down there with him Yeah, and and you know rightfully so cuz I just watched recently his fight with Kevin Lee again Yeah, and Kevin Lee thought he'd be okay down there and fuck man. He's you're fighting off one. You're fighting to get out of an arm He's on your neck. He's on your leg. That was the one Kevin didn't realize he went out. Oh, right

And he tapped he didn't realize he went out. Oh right, and he tapped he didn't Yeah, I'm feeling I think I Think that Armand's gonna take him. I think he will take him down and I wonder how that's gonna go That's what I'm waiting this very interesting fight If if Charles is able to get on top of him like gamerat was able to like to control him on the ground Yeah, look at Armand just did a Benil Charles kind of whacked Benio too in the first round. Yeah, he did too Yeah That's an interesting fight isn't crazy that you got Bo nickel who's only had how many MMA fights

Four five maybe and he's on he's on the main car. I mean here's my thing with him man Like I think he's gonna be great. I think he's gonna be a great fighter for sure I don't like how he talks about already accomplished fighters who been through it What does he say like I mean he's always talk about all me and coms. That will be easy fight in this statin at there I'm like, dude, like you got four fights and you got help with those fights. You know what I'm saying? And we haven't seen you get stuck on your feet.

I mean, yeah, I mean, but the thing is, like even his opponents, like, you know, Jamie Pickett, like even Cody Brunch, Cody Brunch is known to fold in fights. Like he's fighting guys that are folding. Yeah, well maybe they see a future champion in the fight. Well, I get it. I get it, but what I'm saying is-

I think they're trying to bring him along. But I mean, you could bring him along but don't if you in that position Don't talk about guys. They had to go. Yeah, I hear you but isn't it interesting that some fighters they decide to bring along Yeah, and others are victims that are success. Look what's on the undercard Yuri pro. Oh Calvin look at this. This is the undercard, Prohaska versus Rakeage. That's wild as it is. Wild, wild fight.

Calvin Kader and Aljo, Holly Holm and Kayla Harrison. Let's talk about that, what do you think of that? Can she make the weight? I like Holly. What was she fighting at? 155. Yeah, there's no way she doesn't make the way she's a complete professional but how she performs is gonna be tough. I just think Diego Lopez, bro. That dude is a killer. That's a future world champion caliber fighter day on Shogun. Excellent, that's a good fight. Jalen Turner and Hanato Morikano.

That's another good fight. Look at all of these other fights that aren't on the main card. Jim Miller, listen to Jim Miller. Jim Miller, animal. Jim Miller, animal, right? Davis and Figuereto with Cody Garbrandt, that opens up the fights. That's crazy. That is the craziest card of all time.

That's the first fight on the prelims. That is the craziest card of all time in human history. I was shocked when I saw that was the first pre-limb fight. This fucking card is bananas, man. Scroll up a little bit more, Jamie. Yeah! This is the pre-limb, just the bottom of it. That is wild, dude. That is a wild undercard.

Whoo! Yeah, that Turner Moe Connors. How do you think Holly's going to be able to deal with that grappling and the physical strength? Kayla is a monster. I mean, like, we already saw her do it with Rhonda. She's as big. I think Rhonda is a better grappler than Kayla on the ground, transitioning to submissions and things.

I just watched Kayla fight Aspen Ladd and look like dog shit, personally. That's one of my guys on the PFL card, and she struggled. She got swept against that girl and stuff, so I don't think Holly can grapple with her for sure, but I don't think Holly's gonna be so easy to take down because she requires the clinench to get her down

And Holly's a big strong chick. I mean, I know she's 42 now So maybe the age becomes a factor, but if she could just keep range she's gonna win on her feet So I mean I have to see Kayla take her down I just don't think it's gonna be so easy and if Holly doesn't feel a threat on her feet Holly might start lighting her up, you know what I mean? I seen I seen her Kayla fight. I don't know who the girl was but I don't think she the Brazilian girl shut her down. That's what I'm saying She didn't do shit with her on the floor. She didn't do shit with her. Yeah, and right here. She's fighting a soccer mom Right, and if you back up back up to back up before that like

I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Yes, I'm sorry I didn't know what if you look at like the way she's throwing punches on her feet She's gonna stick a German Shepard's on it's it's not it's not it's not a striker, right? She wants this but in these these grappling exchanges. She's gonna be a fucking handful This is why I mean this is where we don't know how to wait is gonna affect her Well, she did it right it might actually help, you know, probably help her gas tank tremendously like in this fight She never put her in danger. Yeah put her in danger It really just depends on how much muscle she loses, you know

And how much strength training she continues to do like you don't get that big without a lot of strength training You know Holly's got a lot of experience. I mean a lot of it is of course judo, right? throwing around the Rallo she's But that comes at a requirement. Yeah, there's a lot of oxygen to get sucked up by those That's what's interesting when you watch guys get older and they get more economical like yo Well, I got way more economical about how and when to move But put guys to sleep because they forgot that he could just explode on right every time I didn't want him the wife and the flying knee right, but he would just just jump on dudes

And you didn't expect to come and it's like you know cuz he would chill and just sit back sit back sit back That's funny they really not to bring that up, but they really fucked Tim Kennedy back in the day for that. Oh, what a day for that. Tim Kennedy won that, that was fucked up. That was crazy. That was fucked up. That was crazy. There was like an extra, how many seconds?

My man was on that. 39 seconds. He stayed on that stool for like a whole round. Tim had him. Tim had him. That's a and then there's the mental break that comes from thinking that you won because the guys not getting off the stool and then you got a fight again. Oh yeah yeah and then Yoel caught him and the thing about Yoel is he can catch anybody. He can catch anybody. Remember when he caught Machida? The Machida

knockout was terrifying. He was like a superhero. Bro he it's like everybody else is a child. Yeah when he gets going. Yeah, everybody else is like a child Is this the end of the fire? So Tim connect he's got hurt there boom he's got him hurt bad and then the bell rings Hurt there boom. He's got him hurt bad, and then the bell rings So he goes back. I mean yo, I was on the verge of going out I look he goes back in but they gave him all this extra time and the round was supposed to start He's still sitting on the stool his big John doing they covered him with like water or ice and they have too much Vaseline on his face. There's a bunch of different things and he just laid there, but then he eventually caught Man

That's some bullshit. Well, it sucks. That's for sure Sucks for Tim because in all fairness I think when the bell starts if you're not willing or able to get up and that's actually yeah That's yeah. Yeah, no doubt about that. You're not able to get up and that should be it. Yeah, that should be it. Yeah, no doubt about that. You're not able to answer the bell. But I think there was something else going on. Like he was covered in something, they had to wipe him off.

There was like some shenanigans. And there was ice on the ground too. I think they did all that shit on purpose. On purpose. All that shit on purpose. Bind time. Old school shit. Angelo did that, Angelo Dundee did that

with Muhammad Ali back when he was Cassius Clay. And he fought this dude in London. No, I don't know if it was in London. It was Henry Cooper. Henry Cooper was this bad ass British dude who had a nasty left hook and he caught Cassius Clay with a perfect left hook. Just bang, boom, dropped him and it was at the end of the round and they cut his gloves in between rounds.

They had to give him new gloves. They gave him plenty of time. So this was after the fight. They gave him plenty of time. So this is after the fight. Yeah, they yell on each other Well, Tim was yelling at him LeBorio is such a nice guy too. He's right though. He's right. He's 100% right. He's right.

But I think, like I said, I think there's a bunch of shenanigans that were involved. I think there's too much Vaseline on him. I think there was water all over him. But there's a bunch of shit where they did a bunch of things to make sure that the round got extended. How is the dirty business? Speaking of dirty business, how's the the now that you saw it is gone How's this new testing thing? Well, Walt Harris just got popped, right?

40 yeah, that's it and he got popped they Allegedly I should say from what the report was I read on one of the websites It was like three different things three different times I should say from what the report was I read on one of the websites It was like three different things three different times Joe when you're 40 shit doesn't work Yeah, it's kind of weird like we know this stuff really works, but you're not allowed to use it 48 months sanction for two separate violations of the UFC anti-doping policy. First test positive, what is that?

Tell me what that is. No, Rallo, Rallo knows what it is. Where is it? Draw standalone. What is that? Fuck all you guys. I just think you're good at those words. Metabolite 3A, hydroxy 2A, methyl 5A, androstan 17 on, and testosterone of exogenous origin.

And samples collected on June 24, 2023, July 12, 2023. Harris was notified of the first adverse finding on July 11 of 2020. So they told him that he got popped the first time and then he tested positive the next day. Yeah, subsequently after he's notified, he had first finding he provided urine and blood samples on August 6, 2023. Urine sample tested positive for the presence of anastrazole, a prohibitive substance that was not present in any of the previous samples, as well as drawstanolone and its metabolite, its blood samples tested positive for the

presence of exogenous testosterone, which based on its values was determined as a new administration since the notification of his first adverse findings on July 11th. So he wasn't taking the test that day. Wow. Four years, that's a life sentence. How old is he now? 40 That's kind of it seems kind of crazy that he would just take all that stuff knowing that they were gonna catch him Did you have you ever asked Novitski why they made be BPC 157 illegal? Like it's not a performance enhancer because some

state regulators, like you know, athletic commissions, they have it illegal. So if the UFC allows something that the athletic commissions don't allow, it really should be allowed by the athletic commissions. 100%. It's all it's doing is helping people heal from injuries. So that's all it is? So it's the states are... It's a naturally occurring compound in the human body. So it's something that should be legal and I think the FDA is trying to stop its use now too which is crazy. Of course, anything that works. Well listen you fuckheads, just sell it to us. Just fucking sell it. Don't be stupid, there's a lot of money to be made, I'll help

you. Just fucking make it legal and sell it It's good. It's really good for injuries really good for injuries Yeah, it's there's a bunch of stuff like that that should be legal the testosterone one They those boys went wild and that they fucked it up for everybody the TRT V tour error. Oh, yeah Take testosterone replacement everybody's like oh, I definitely have low testosterone I don't know if you're a TV tour, but those boys went wild. TV tour. It's true though. When you take testosterone replacement, everybody's like, oh, I definitely have low testosterone. Hook it up. Eric Silva, he was another one that really noticeably changed.

Oh, a lot of dudes did. Bro, we had guys that were 25 years old that were signing up for testosterone use exemptions. That's going to fuck them up when they're older though. 100%. But that was the thing. A lot of those guys were already fucked up because they did juice So if you're a young guy and you do like a bunch of cycles of juice and you get gigantic or that is gonna Jack up your system. It takes a long time to recover

Damn. Yeah, so there's dudes are like 25 years old that have wrecked their endocrine system. They probably can't have kids really Yeah, yeah, they have low sperm count Yeah, it can fuck you up when you're when you like you see these social media kids That are like 18 19 years old and then also when they're 22 They've gained 80 pounds of muscle and they have zits all their back and they're fucking huge and they're getting all this attention Because they're massive and there's quite a few of these kids. They're gonna ruin their body They're gonna ruin their endocrine system. You're shocking your system at a very, very young age.

When you're on TOT, it's like fuckin' birth control for men. I have been pulled out in years, son. I have been fuckin' pulled out. And I was able to, I was able to, I could have a kid. When I wanna have a kid, I don't know if it's cuz I go commando forever I have a kid like you want to my wife. I want to get pregnant my guy, you know So I was I know we were good to go. But ever since I'm on TRT Isn't it funny because the other idea for a male birth control is the opposite

There's a male birth control pill that came out but that radically lowers testosterone But how many? There's a male birth control pill that came out but that radically lowers testosterone Oh fuck that But how many Hold on why would you take that How many So good fuck your life How many Cucks for sure

Dominant women who have cuck men are gonna force them to take that stuff Slipping that shit in their No no no force them Oh my god Force them to take it Force them None of that Nah why would anybody take that

Because they don't want that as the wife they want the alpha Yeah Yeah, but they want to do that to the guy they some someone like doing that They like doing that the curb. Yeah, they'll turn your trans Leave you broken by Turn your trans screw. Yeah, they'll they'll make you It's just as there's certain people. It's like your Kardashian skit. Yeah, you gotta wonder, man, trying to be like a young kid in this day and age

with social media, trying to be an 18, trying to be an 18, 19 year old kid trying to fan your way through life, seeing these juiced up gigantic dudes getting attention and girls with lip fillers at 18 year old and everybody's got a Ferrari I think it's hard. It's harder for them than it was for us right because of social media way harder thing It's way harder because there's so much Chaos out there like the guy getting shot in the dick you see things all the time

That was really hard to see when we were kids because I only knew motherfuckers in my neighborhood. Right? They got shot in the dick? No, no, no. Just in general. In general. Like you only hung out with people in your neighborhood. That was it. And if you saw someone on TV that was like in a MTV music video or something like that,

like that, okay. But that's not even real world. Right. That's not the real world. Right. But if it's like some guy you know from your school now is a million followers on tik-tok. What? Yeah I think a hundred thousand dollars. How what are you doing? I don't know I don't know man Maybe because I got my kids homeschooled ever since the pandemic because we didn't want them wearing masks and all that shit

My wife's lucky enough that you know, we're lucky enough. She gets to be a stay-at-home mom and whatnot Oh, I got got ad what we just kids having it rough people being able to see things that they never could see your kids are homeschooled yeah oh yeah this is what i'm back it was uh the zin's kicking in it was uh you know we keep them close like nowadays if you they go to school all day one them close like nowadays if you they go to school all day one what the fuck are they telling these kids is weird enough and from oh what my other my friend's kid came on the other day he's like he's like oh man there's ten years old he's like oh dad I could so when I grow up I could be a boy or a girl my buddy's like a religious guy he's like ah move to South Carolina he got the fuck out of

New Long Island so I don't know where it is in different school systems, but I didn't like stuff like that It's not like when we were kids that stuff is so weird It's fucking strange, but it just shows you that whatever is socially popular People will gravitate to and that people will change their behavior based on what gets them more attention That's why I'm saying like cuz some of them are definitely trans Let's be that shit's existed since the beginning of time a man who feel like they were born a woman's body But some of them are getting sucked into a social committee They think it's cool to be bi or it's oh, what are you? I'm not good to it's fucking it's just fucking weird

And they want to see you got to suck a dick Whether it's a transgender dick or a regular dick you got to experiment suck a dick if you want some street cred no today they've gone to places where 50% really? Yeah, 50% that's a joke. Don't you think if they're not being indoctrinated, then this never happened. Well, it's just fascinating that it's fascinating that it's working. That's what's fascinating. And when you look at the people like look, you're gonna pay someone 35 grand a year to take care of your kids, they're not going to be good people that are like dominant in their field and

really on the ball, you're gonna get wacky people teaching kids. And a lot of these people that are teaching kids in public schools that you see making these TikTok videos, they're wacky people that just happen to be in the position where they're running a school. As a parent though, I think you should just keep them close and just talk to them every day. Yeah, you definitely need to talk to them. But you know, they're gonna, they're gonna have to talk to other people too.

And in that there's something about like running into really cuckoo people when you're young that's probably good for you just so you know that they exist. The problem is if they have too much influence over your kid and your kid starts believing things that they're saying and they indoctrinate you into some weird way of thinking that maybe you don't align with in your home and you don't want your child being raised that way which is your prerogative like as a person. But also the kids like should be exposed to a lot of weird shit. It's like it's good for them to see kooky people.

I think that's where me and Matt have a benefit because we're the kooky people that our kids see. Yeah, we all are, right? There's no way to avoid that. But I don't ever remember. If you're interested in what we're interested in. Yeah, that's true, right? I always preference things when people ask me my opinions.

I'm like, listen, I'm a dirty comedian and a cage fighting commentator. So with that said, this is my dumb ass perspective. True. But understand who the fuck you're talking to. Loosely educate that best. Think about that. Dirty comedian and you commentate fights.

Yeah. Yeah, that's a perspective to. Yeah, that's a person of questionable judgment. Yeah. Fucking, that's true. Highly unnormal. Communication's everything though. Like I really, I don't remember my parents talking to me.

I remember finding, like my kid's 15 now. The dude, when I was 15, I was sleeping over Jimmy's house. I'd be walking the fucking streets fighting and doing, I'm 15, I can't think of it kid. Yeah, I never not know where she is Like it's I think it was a different time Matt and I think their parents raised them in a different way Like it's it takes a while to like understand why your parents raised you the way they raised you But it's because the way they were raised and the way people look my grandparents were straight-up immigrants from Italy and from Ireland They're all people from the bow and those were wild people

Those people that took a chance to got on that fucking boat and made it across the ocean And my mother come to yeah a bunch of wild people and they didn't have a whole lot of time for parenting Yeah, you know and then their kids grew up and had kids and then they had kids It's like it takes a while for everybody to settle down. I think people are, we have way more information today than ever before, which is probably good for kids. It's good to be aware of all the different types of humans and all the different possibilities of good and bad things that can happen in the world, but also it's got to be overwhelming, man.

It's got to be overwhelming to be a kid and to think you gotta worry about climate change and Ukraine and Russia and fucking Mexicans. It's just every day it's something new. That's the thing, the phone puts it in their face all day every day. Every day it's something new. We didn't have any of that shit. Biden falling down a flight of stairs, Trump calling somebody a pussy. It's every day.

It's like this is crazy. Always, yeah, life is fun now. It is definitely fun if you're an adult. If you're an adult and you're not being affected negatively by it. Well, because we, like you said, we come up from a different generation. Yeah.

Where we didn't grow up doing that. Right. So we can live without it. We're also, all of us are in wild businesses. Yeah. This is a wild business. You're in the business of people beating the shit out of each other. You know, this is the, this is a wild Yeah. This is a wild business. You're in the business of people beating the shit out of each other.

This is a wild business. It's a wild business. It's funny that it is where it is now. I remember coming up, we were talking about before being OGs, I remember each fight thinking, all right, this might be the last one and it's gonna be done.

You know what I mean? So now it's just such a mainstream thing. It's crazy. I remember very clearly, Eddie Bravo and I were having a conversation and it's almost like we manifested this. We said, dude, we know MMA is awesome. Wouldn't it be crazy if just some fucking billionaire dudes who were fans of the sport just dumped a bunch of money in it just to show everybody and then it would just catch

on? I was like, if somebody just came along, that would work, man. That's the only way it would work. Somebody would have to lose tons and tons of money just to get it out there. And that's what they did. It's literally like it was manifested.

Lorenzo and Frank Fatida, it's amazing. And they just really loved it. They loved it. They trained, they were tough guys, they loved it. They lost like 50, 60 million before they made money. That's how much they loved it. They were down more than 40 million when the first Ultimate Fighter came around. And they funded that whole thing.

They funded the whole thing. They just rolled the dice and came up double six. Yeah, when you think about the chain of events that had to happen. That made it. Like the Fertitas, then the forest fight and then just write everything that happened you have to have a guy like Dana You have to have a complete maniac running the show you have a day Understanding how much of a maniac he is yeah, I can cycle in terms of like his work ethic. Oh, he's a maniac I mean, that's pretty obvious works constantly. He loves it. He loves setting fights up

He he'll talk at two o'clock in the morning for like hours just about matchups and shit Did you see the other day on the podcast when the girls? Tell me what does Joe Rogan think of whatever it was and he's like what is what is Joe Rogan think she goes Dana White you think I'm Joe Rogan. You know that's UFC events like the weeks of the events or when I'm doing a looking for a fight you've been there. Oh man. I have a picture this and that.

I'm like oh well. And then you know thanks a lot Mr. White. Thanks a lot. They always think he's either Joe or Dana. And then you know, thanks a lot. Mr. White Always think he's either Joe or Dana people call me Dana I've been called Dana before so dude, it's all data I go. No, I'm the other dude But I think she just made a mental for trying to say all bald white guys look alike when you're doing a podcast and you're interviewing Someone especially if you haven't done a lot of them and it's a high profile thing Made a mental for trying to say all bald white guys look alike when you're doing a podcast and you're interviewing someone Especially if you haven't done a lot of them and it's a high profile thing. You're doing Dana white

You're always thinking of what to say. Even the question is like, what's your dream? You know, that's a crazy question It's just that's like I don't know what to ask you So she's probably floundering a little bit there and doesn't know what to say It's okay. It's fucking weird having a conversation with someone live. But I think he handled it the right way, right? By making fun of it. Yeah, yeah, and she handled it the right way too. She kept it in there.

She didn't edit it out. Yeah. It's funny. It is funny. It's funny, it's just a flub. I've done it all the time. It happens. People fuck up.

It wouldn't have been funny if they called fucking Dean Thomas Pete Spratt or something. That would be fucking racist. I wouldn't laugh at that shit. Somebody called you Pete Spratt? Somebody called you Eve? No, no, no, Eve Edwards. They used to always do that.

Oh, just for fun? Yeah, just for fun. Just for fun. How about the fucking picture where you thought you were Eve Edwards? Don't say that was just for fun. Or the one time on Looking for a Fight, Khabib really thought I was Eve.

He was like, you knocked out my teammate. I'm like, what are you talking about? He's like, Josh Thompson. I was like, no, man, that was, that was easy. That's what it was. Isn't it wild how Khabib just said, nope, done, see ya, bye. Yeah, cause he's a good son.

Promise my mom, I'm done. I mean, when you're that good and your life is, you know. Pretty incredible though. Yeah. What a legacy, right? Undefeated, only one fight was kinda close, the Gleason-Teebaugh fight. Yeah.

Go back and watch that one. I thought Gleason might have won that one. Might have won that oneason t-ball fight. Yeah, go back and watch that It was arguable yeah They gave it to him. Nobody would yeah, nobody would like protest. Yeah, it was close pre-usada pre-usada glazen pre-usada Glacier's built like a fucking superhero Those Shawn Shirk days son Yeah, the muscle shark the muscle shark member shirk shirk was a little fucking little fireplug daemon Shirk shirk was one of the first guys that had preposterous strength and conditioning. Yeah, yes, drink to get him and Rich Franklin They would they would do these

Jesus Christ the thing about glazen that always used to freak me out was the fact that he could make 155 I know I was like how because I would stand next to him. I'm like, how are you so much bigger than me? How the fuck are you 155? It doesn't make any sense and Gleason got him down in this one, didn't he? 155 it doesn't make any sense and Gleason got him down in this one didn't he know for times glason He hurt him on the feet quite a few glason was a dangerous fighter. What happened to glason well You know he got older at a lot of wars. You know he got a did Didn't Islam KO him Islam KO room. Yeah, Islam K. Dom bad. It was a bad one. He's had a few KO losses He's a tough dude though. He thought I think a few times in PFO or something. Mm-hmm But they're going to war

Glacier was a house though. Yeah, I think the thing is a beam looks natural He looks fucking but like he can't take glacin down, which is crazy. That's how strong glacier was Yeah, I mean toib takes everybody down. But Khabib looks smaller then. Yeah, he does. Does he? Physically? No doubt about it.

He's much smaller. You look at him and now look at him against Conor. Let's just look at this right now. Pause this. Now go to Khabib versus Conor. How old was he here? He was probably like... He looks young.

Well, he's young. One of the first fights in the UFC, but made a market improvement in that department because he looked way stronger Later in his career like any fuck Gagey. He looked way stronger. Yeah way stronger developed that man strength. Yeah six years later to Dude look at the difference man 100% go back to that picture again. Yeah, he's all smooth here. Now go to another one, the other one that you just showed me. Look at him, bro. That's that man strength.

That's also, I want to kill you motivation. Yeah, it is. I mean, he got in fucking shape for Connor. When he's standing on top of him, punching him, let's talk now. Let's talk now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's talk now.

You know what? I was surprised Connor didn't quit at that moment because he was getting his ass whooped I don't think Connor's ever gonna do that. Well, Connor did say to him, you know, it's just business Yeah, and then he said something like not instead He was probably a little rattled yeah, I mean it wasn't going his way He did win around but it was seem like it was around that could be took off Yeah, to keep you kind of coasted for a round and then got back on him again Could be just knew how to wear you out man that thousand yard stare the dudes would have when he grabbed ahold of them

The gets in Barbosa, that's the best one Michael Johnson where he told me oh my god. I was going please tap Please I was anticipating that spiral fracture that guys get when they don't tap to the more. I don't like that It's a bad minute toro. Yeah, thank me is the ugliest example of that Don't be stubbing with that. I saw it in a jujitsu tournament I don't recently online some kids, his arm just goes limp. It's horrible. It's horrible.

And it happened quick too, man. The guy just turned it, he turned the corner, it just popped right in his arm. And he goes like this, backs up, and oh, it's awful. I had a guy the other day, listen, that people fall asleep all the time, you know, it happens. Our goal is to, you know, put someone to sleep or get a limb. So sometimes if the guy's a little stubborn, you know, if you, an armlock or, you know put someone to sleep or get a limb so sometimes if they guys a little stubborn

Yeah, you know if you're an armlock or you know usually it's like ah you know and they'll stop if anything But with the choke sometimes you don't know so the bread cutter. You know the bread cutter fucking when the oh, yeah I love that fucking one. It's so good One of my black belts gourd he went with his other guy now this other guy's I had a strong fucking Like Middle Eastern guy and he's dude he's not in that quick tap club and it's not good because this is the second time he went out but this time when he goes out I go over like you know you pick up the legs so I go over to him and I always usually make a joke and like you know because they usually come

right back so I'm like hey I'm in your bedroom hey remember I slept over you know I'm thinking and he's looking at me dude in 30 years I never seen one like this cuz I don't know how long this guy had him out his eyes were open He looked like a fucking zombies got my wrist Eyes well like he was out, but might have been out dude, and he had my wrist I thought it was you fucking grabbing me. I go hey, dude And neon belly on him. I'm like fucking don't let go of his legs I didn't want him to move right was fucking it took him a stick it actually was thought to scare me a little bit How long it take before he came back it felt like fucking eternity it was a few seconds

It was and his eyes would just open the whole time like dude'm like, dude, is this fucking what am I dealing with? And then he then then he started and started to The whole time he's clenching his teeth. He's got my wrist and I go to the are you back? Did you sign a waiver? He was okay And then the best was that guy Gord's a big sweet over guys like a half a hippie, you know He looks like kung fu pandas like big And he's been calling me later. He goes, you know, I haven't seen seen Syed since is he alright

I go come to think of it. Nobody's seen this motherfucker I go sue check up on this guy. My girl check up on him and uh, he Came back the next day. He was fucking fine Nobody's seen him i don't know a little embarrassed he's a nice guy go listen then i found out it was like the second time he went out i go dude you can't i go this it's you got it i go and i go hensel i just listen it happens once in a while like it happened to me once i don't know if it ever happened to you guys you ever get put to sleep i never got put to sleep i was a purple ballot in

the city and uh i was going with this purple ballot. I didn't even like this guy He's got some prick. I'll tell you his name is after Pennsylvania never liked them. I would always best them, but he was just like a dick like a dicky dude So he was trying to fucking shit and he was not bad at shit. So he's in my guard trying to strangle me Amateur move, you know feet in the hips flipped him over mounted him fall asleep. Well the fuck added on amateur move you know feet and hips flipped them over mounted him fall asleep motherfucker had it on still you know yeah so I'm like what the fuck hands like woke me up he didn't want to make a scene he goes no no he's okay so the guy went back after me and I woke up like during it I'm like what the fuck and then I kind of then I realized what's going on I fucked him up but I remember

after we know anyway so they didn't stop the match. No, you know, it was during the whole night of rolling It was us just training on a um, whatever night was back to the Gracie Kukak days on Craig Kukak days like kukak. Yeah, he's the guy that they had those videotapes right? I learned jujitsu from him I learned a solid amount of skating. He was my first instructor I got my blue belt on the crack Craig came to New York to New Jersey first and Hensel came two years later and then later on they ended up having a split and Hensel came to me, you know the story where that kooka guy go Idaho or something. He was a weird is in Idaho. He was a very good instructor He was under Horyon hoists. And then they disowned him for some business reasons. How weird.

Weird. But then when I seen shit like that. That never happened. Because I had a newsletter of the Gracie newsletter. I was like a 17-year-old. Because my father was a martial artist. And this was before Black Belt Magazine days. So I'm like, wait.

So then I found out they did something at Black Belt where he was going to be in New Jersey doing one day a week in the Manhattan at Oishi's judo club down in the village over there So I go I gotta take advantage of this, you know, I didn't know I knew they kicked him out But I knew they already awarded him. So there he is big German guy. He was very good teacher Like so my my foundation is how long ago is this Jamie? My foundation is how long ago is this Jimmy? Did it say down there? 11 year early nine 92 those oh the videos from 92 the video was reuploaded and remastered

It wasn't yours ago. It could be from this is very old. Yeah, it was a DVD So wouldn't be a video interesting and it's funny cuz we started training. He didn't like the key He's like I don't even own a key. He forget, he's that guy. But he was a very good teacher. He learned how to whore in on hoists. But the problem was he wasn't a very personable guy. Like he was, like you could never get too close to the guy. And him and Hanzo had like a falling out business-wise. And I was almost, I felt, I was a young kid at the time.

So I remember Hanzo took me out to eat afterwards and he goes, look, one day after training, and he told me he goes look Now that I got my green call. I'm getting away from this motherfucker And he goes I want he goes if you go with him cuz I was like one of the guys tried to kind of cock block His green card He was he wasn't as good and then I remember Hanzo going like if you go with him some guys will go just because of you Nobody likes this mother fucker Heads oh goes if you go with him and he goes but I want because of you. Nobody likes this motherfucker. Hanzo goes, if you go with him,

and he goes, but I want you to come with me, and this and that. I go, it wasn't even a choice. Because Hanzo was like family. Even though, and I'm a loyal guy, I felt like parents were breaking up a little bit, but Hanzo is a gem. Hanzo is the fucking best.

I want him to run for president. He can't even win. I want him to run for president. Hanzo's a bug. You can't have Brazilian citizens run for president in America unfortunately. He's a great human being. Isn't that kind of weird? You could live here but you can't run it. We just want to make sure we don't get some foreign infiltrators.

It's like some old school espionage shit. Like someone takes their child across the road, this is going to be the next president. They're going to be cruel, right? To destroy the world. He's the best. No, I mean hands. Oh like just you know, he's just a great human being You know, he's done so much for me. So I was the best. Yeah, it wasn't everybody loves Hanzo I don't yeah, I've never met anybody who doesn't it's true. The thing about Hanzo is the night It looks nice as fucking guy there is yeah He'll switch it in a heartbeat how to drop a guy. No fucking jump on somebody in a fucking hair He's so yeah. Well, listen that he it in a heartbeat. He'll drop a McDonald's, he'll jump on somebody.

In a half a second. In a fucking half a second. Listen, really quick, he was with his son, Horan, who's a sweet kid. And he told this story on my podcast, but I'll try to do it justice. They pulled into a gas station, right, and he was in a little sports car that he was giving to his son, Horan. And then somebody, there was some guys, some like street guys, going, hey, you know, that's a chick's car,

something like that, right? And he saw like his son's face, like get a little sad. So he gets out, he goes, hey, come, see the size of my vagina. He goes, come on, let's see. And he goes, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh,

oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh used to have a shoot fighting matches at his school in Elizabeth, New Jersey. Bam, a fight night or something like that. My first time ever as a purple belt,

first time ever doing any kind of combat, I did a jujitsu tournament, but I never fought before. So he came and it was like a three week notice thing, but I was always in shape. So I asked Hensel, what do you do like the day of the fight? I was a little nervous, you know, and I'm thinking the crazys with their diet and this and that.

He goes, this is what you do like the day of the fight? I was a little nervous, you know And I'm thinking the crazy's with their diet and this and that he goes, uh, this is what you do You go to GNC you get the Rippet fuel get one of those you feel good all day So I'm like, all right Rippet fuel, right? Okay, I took one on backstage. It's stuff going on a little nervous I took another one. Oh, no Let me do one more. I'm fucking I don't know what this so I took my fucking tree so I fought some kid from Virginia who was like a blue belt level or something and this was with rope escapes so I went out there fucking kind of like I am now so I fucking like all hyped up boom took him down bah real naked choke he grabs the rope so I get him in two

seconds he gets out so I get a point, but then they started on, so I started over, I take him down again, he starts clamming up, there's no striking on the floor, on the face. So it goes the distance, because I'm exhausted, I got exhausted because of the fucking, my heart wouldn't stop. Afterwards, I couldn't even walk back,

I'm like, dude, this fighting is exhausting, meanwhile it's the fucking ephedra. After the fight, Bart Vowel, you know who Bart Vowel is? Yeah, Bart Vowel know who Bart he was one of the refs somehow he knew Dan through the shoot fighting him and Hensel was supposed to fight yeah I remember I remember that yeah CC one one one and done event that was like a UFC wannabe but has a four three times in one night and that guy fought for some Hawaiian guy and they both got injured he got out, but he was a big he looked like a big

He gave me my first cauliflower here It's like Rallo with a mullet Crazy mustache yeah Vail Hanzo was in my corner so afterwards. He's a big dude Hanzo so afterwards you know he saw So you know hands oh so afterwards you know he saw They there was like you know I even know went the distance I won cuz I got the choke So the bar that was going like that

Hensel jumps up on the day. Oh, I don't thought he was going me and you had to put his call hands Oh heads over there to fucking go go jump on Fuck yeah, I Mean that's a he was a big dude man Oh, he was a massive dude, and he was in the early early days. Yeah, bare-knuckle MMA Mm-hmm something out of Fraggle Rock us and that was where um That I remember that event that's like Eric Paulson in a Matthew. Yeah, that's what James Waring Paulson's a very good fighter very good

James Waring. Eric Paulson is a very good fighter. Very good fighter. But I mean it was the same time frame. James Waring, fucking schoolyard, he fucking wrapped his hair around, he's a boxer. And Eric Paulson is a very complete fighter. He's a very well-rounded Chikung Nogai. He'd fight over in Shudo. But I don't think they would know you're allowed to eat him.

I mean he tried to go through the striking side with his grappling experience Paulson Oh, what does that mean? Like they had two divisions. It was grapplers and strikers Oh, that's interesting. And then the end of it was the guy who won the striking side fought the guy who won the grappling side. That's not right though, cause Hensel fought a judoka. I mean they were still fighting but like they had they had rules on how long you could be on the ground all that shit Like I remember he's cool Mr. Waring actually I met him down in Florida. Yeah, he's a he's a It shows you when Matt Hume fought Pat Millet edge

He was very good. Yeah, I remember I trained with him in Japan the first time I fought uno and he beat the shit out of me I was like man, I shouldn't be here. Mighty Mouse says he still beats his ass. I'm sure I'm sure yeah, I'm sure He's got a goal that I'm 50. I'm about to be 50. He might be 60 My hum was good. It was very good. Yeah, I was always fascinated that he didn't continue to fight member He did contenders to where they had to grab like the wrestlers. Didn't he was it a Kenny Monday? Yeah Kenny Monday try to go for his legs And that was when Frank Shamrock Kevin Jackson was in it. Yeah. No, no, no In the UFC that was in the UFC. Yeah was

Dan Henderson, yeah, he was a Dan Henderson. Oh, that was in UFC, yeah. That was Dan Henderson. Was it Dan Henderson? Yeah, you got Dan Henderson. He caught him in like an ankle lock. Was that when Bustamante fought Erickson? No, that was a different event. That was a different event. That was an MMA event. That was Mars. Yeah, Mars.

He fought Tom Erickson for 45 minutes. Marilla Bustamante and Fabio Gagel are two of my all-time favorites. Me too. I went Bustamante, tapped Matt Lindlin out twice. Twice. I remember that. Because he tapped him out and Big John stopped the fight. I thought Bustamante beat Chuck Liddell in that fight too.

Me too. I thought he outstruck him. I thought he won that fight. Boy, I'd have to go back and watch that again. You know what it was? Me too. He was a beast. Sometimes he was so comfortable on the back sometimes Chuck would do a punch and he'd go back with it it kind of the optics were a little weird you know but

I I think that guy that's when she that what I love about those guys is that if you've seen those guys in Abu Dhabi you seen him in a jujitsu tournament you seen him in MMA did you jitsu transitions that's like that's like um who would I just say earlier the young kid not young kid. He's young to me. I guess Right here And boost a Monta was an 85er right? Yeah. Yeah, this is a crazy fight. We think about it. Yeah How many times a boost a Monte fight 205 he was pretty I mean for a jiu-jitsu guy like he was pretty well rounded Especially for that. Yeah Their feet he was awesome real poosamante and people sleep on

Realize Chuck was a wrestler. Yeah, that was a good right hand by Chuck Chuck had the touch of death don't you that's what like but Chuck me hung in there too long Like I like when the guys, what we just talking about. It's unfortunate that they don't have a fucking exit strategy, you know? And then also, if you've had a bunch of wars, you're probably not thinking so good anymore. Yep. It's hard to muster up the mental energy to create a new career. It's hard to accept the fact that you ain't as good as you used to be.

Yes, very hard. They don't accept it. From a lot of guys, very hard. It's also, like when you're young, you you just you don't think you're ever gonna be old I feel like it's a kind of wilder fator still throwing is he really didn't even retire finally I hope I'm better fight. We got knocked out the second time thought he retired But then I saw him talking about like trying to do a boxing match with Tyson or one of those guys Whoa, that's what man that dude in his prime was something different.

Fador for sure. Oh yeah. We have to look at him in the context of what came before him. And there was nobody like Fador. Yeah there was nothing like him before him for sure. The fact that he could both knock you out and hit submissions from everywhere. From everywhere. Off his back.

I mean when Randleman threw him, remember that? Yeah. Spiked him on his head and his expression never changed. His variety of just being able to do so many different things. So many different things. So tough. And his personality. Yeah.

How are you starting a podcast? There's something about that personality. When he could have fought a 205 forever. He could have fought an 85. How about that? What was he, about 230 with that belly? He always looked chubby. Very accurate, man.

Who the fuck is he accurate? His hand speed was, I mean, pretty fucking good. Phenomenal. Yeah, I was with Jeff Munson in Russia when he fought Jeff. And man, I'd never seen a beating like that. And when Jeff was walking out, I mean, Jeff, yeah, he really looked like he was going to his death. I mean, it was bad.

That was Fedor when he was really Fedor. Yeah. Yeah. The Fador that fought in Pride. Remember when he walked down Cro Cop? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He walked up. Beating him up? Yeah, for sure. Okay, Ryan Bader, he said he suffered a TKO in the first round, retiring from MMA after the bout. So he says, but that was real recent.

That was February. A year ago yeah I don't know I mean I think you could talk some of those guys I just think they just don't like not doing it yeah the thrill of getting it just gives them a purpose and as they get older it gets more and more dangerous you get KO'd more often it's a thing Putin would make him the minister or something like he did with you know Corrella and stuff. Give him a job. The problem is when you compete that long, I know the weirdest feeling for me, I don't

know how it was for you or any of you guys, you all competed. After like the three month to the six month mark of not getting another thing coming up, it's a fucking weird feeling. It's like, shouldn't I be calling Joe Silver now and getting another fucking fight? What am I? am I your purpose? Yeah, yeah, we're getting yeah People they just can't accept and then if they go and do other stuff and they don't find success in that other thing Yeah, I could have just made 30,000 for a fight

I could have done this I could then then you watching other dudes make all this money and you think damn man I still hang with them, right? I still got it and then you gotta get a real job There's also the difference between someone who's absolutely obsessed to being the best in the world and someone was thinking I could probably Fight and make money. Yeah, it's just not gonna train. You're not gonna focus is you're not gonna have the same intensity enthusiasm That's the same everything it's you're not gonna you're not gonna be the same guy Enthusiasm, that's the same everything it's you're not gonna you're not gonna be the same guy So even if you used to be that guy when you were younger when you're 20 if you're 27 And you're just doing it for money

And you think you're still that guy that you were when you were 20 when you were obsessed with it No, you're fucked up. You're gonna get fucked up Things can go south so quickly to like you could be on a tear and next thing you know You look you're down to you down down three now what do you got? Look at Volkonovsky. Volkonovsky before the rematch with Islam Makachev is in dispute as the best pound-for-pound fighter alive right he he almost won that fight a very close fight some people thought he could have won some people thought Islam could have won but either way he went up fought the best fighter in the 155 pound division and got to a standstill with him.

So at that point you're looking at him, this motherfucker is one of the greatest of all time, probably the best pound for pound fighter alive, and then he gets KO'd in the rematch he takes with 10 days notice. Which is crazy to take a fight like that with 10 days notice. And then he gets KO'd in the fight with Toporia. And in two fights over the course of what was it seven months eight months Everything's different. Everything's different. You think his team did him a disservice running him out there right after my like I was too soon after Maka's having my opinion and if they let him run out there again in three or four months

I think they're really doing him a disservice because the lights been turned off twice Yeah, and they got to give him his brain time. Yeah, but is that really his team? But that's just him. You know I mean I guess you's just him you know you know you do have the final say you do have the final saying fighters always think they can do anything they always think they can do it because like you said like I mean he pretty much at that weight might have been the best guy ever when Manny Pacquiao got knocked out by Marquez I gave him a year yeah. Freddie Roach said, one year. You only take a whole year off,

you're not doing anything for a year. It was one of the best one punch knockouts in the history of the sport. And Manny was piecing him up until that point too. The consequences of the fight. You know, their third fight. Yeah, hindsight's 20-20 though. I mean, he could have went in there

and fucking knocked him out. I mean, what if he he got that head kick? You're not gonna be able to compete against a guy like makachev with no camp Gonna be the same guy this is my argument like with tomorrow's mon and hams on and everyone's like hams I'll be tomorrow Mike sort of sort of kind of ten days notice five rooms kumar way right? Yeah, cuz tomorrow was winning in the third also tomorrow didn't have time to prepare Yeah, he doesn't know he can't trust his gas tank so I'm fighting on me way class fighting up a weight class But Homs I was really legit 170 if you can make the weight

But at 170 homes that's the most terrifying guy on the planet right because he's fucking horrific he knocks you out with one punch He's got crazy crazy speed Yeah, but this is what is underrated off the chart. Could you trust them to make the weight though? No can't trust them to do shit The thing about that one weight cut that he missed by eight pounds though That's New York and they stopped him from cutting the weight. You know how they do it fucking New Yorkers these no It's some some athletic commissions. They don't they intervene a how they do it. Like, they- Fucking New Yorkers. These, no, it's these, some athletic commissions, they don't, they intervene a little. They get it and they go,

oh, he's not gonna make it. Like, listen, they can make it. You know, it ain't gonna look good, but they can make it. How do they get their two cents in? They did that with, that's why Al had to fight Khabib, right, because they didn't think Max Holloway was cut, they didn't want him cutting any more weight. Because Max was cutting the weight, they're right. So 24 hours notice al steps in and he stepped in like a stud

raging ally After a second round he was supposed to fight Paul Felder a totally for three rounds We did you know three rounds kickboxer he got taken down right away He went with him five rounds and he was with he was in there He was in there and that was without a camp for that. He was fighting a three round He wasn't even getting ready for five hours. So that fight to me I thought kind of exposed like Khabib a little bit like obviously he's undefeated and all that stuff But what if he would ever got in there with a dude that had a skill set of like George

Who could strike? ever got in there with a dude that had a skill set of like George who could strike, who could defend a take down, who could wrestle with him. He did, he fought Justin Gagey. Justin Gagey is a dangerous motherfucker. I don't think his wrestling is the same. No, he doesn't use his wrestling, he doesn't use it to attack, but he's hard to take down. Justin's very hard to take down and Khabib dominated him in grappling exchanges. The thing about George is he's just much bigger. George is a big guy. George fought 85, beat Michael Bisping, right?

I know he's not really an 85er, but George at 170 is a big, strong 170. Oh, 100%. And it could be the same kind of deal where like when Izzy went up and fought Jan Bojovic. It's like you got the 185 pound champ who's a virtuoso, but he's fighting a guy that's just a lot bigger than him. He's a lot bigger.

If you're not gonna have the time to prepare and get your body into a position where you're in somewhat similar range in terms of strength. If you're in these crazy grappling exchanges. That's what I was gonna say plus, Izzy just sucks on the ground. He's not the best on the ground, it's a's a fact. Yeah. Yeah, he's not you know I mean which was surprising the first fight with with Paheta when he gets him down

You know crazy and he had his back. Yeah, I mean he he could have did a lot more with that He could have did a lot more with that. Yeah Yeah, Alex's level on the ground is not good either. You know, but the thing is he's getting better at defending He's getting a lot better at defending once he gets taken down and when he's on his feet He's just a motherfucker to deal with especially as he's slowing down a little bit I don't think either those guys are going for a takedown to be honest Jamal Hill or Alex But Jamal would be more capable of taking Alex down and doing well on the ground Jamal's not lost on the ground. He just is such a good striker. He prefers to stand up. It's a fucking fun fight

I know it's a fun fight. That's why I'm gonna have goose bumps before that one starts I don't understand why people were upset about that being the main event. Oh my god, they're great. Yeah, that's just dorks Yeah, what the hell did you expect? What did you call? What did you want? Yeah? What did you want? Where's Connor? Do you guys think Connor will fight this year? I? Think so like you keep saying he's gonna fight. He keeps saying he's gonna fight but keep pushing it back pushing it back, I think so I think after doing that movie and how How much he had to put into that movie? I think he's gonna want to go Yeah, I think he's gonna want to come back to do something like fighting something that he had to put into that movie, I think he's gonna wanna come back to do something

like fightin', something that he loves to do. There's the movie curse, the Tommy Morrison curse. When he became a movie star, I remember Tommy Morrison was like the man in boxing. He was the Duke, he was John Wayne's grandson, or nephew, what's that? I think he was a nephew or something. Nephew or some shit.

So they could call him the Duke, you know And everybody thought he was gonna be the man and then he fought he did Rocky and then after Rocky fought Ray motherfuckers That might be one of the worst knockouts in the history of wars And it's it's he's out already and Mercer's keeping him up with punches He's tangled up in the ropes, and Mercer's just teeing off. There, hung up on him, ribs. Bombs. Not to mention Ray Mercer knocked out Tim Sylvia.

Oh, yeah, he hit him with that right hand. That was when they agreed to be boxing only, and Sylvia opened up with an inside leg kick and Ray Mercer whacks him. Tim Burrow, motherfucker! Bro. What about, who fought? He was like 46 at the time.

I know, yeah. What about Mercer when he fought in Japan? Who head kicked him? And he just said, fuck this, and like got out of the ring. Remember? I'm trying to remember who that was. Who did he fight? I'm trying to remember who that was.

I don't remember it. I remember he got kicked and he looked like, what? He concentrated with. Ray Mercer had came to the American top team when I was with them He came there a few times just to kind of see what MMA was like Yeah, there was a few boxers that gave it a go and kickboxing both of Vince Phillips Vince Phillips fought Masato

And he was like nah, I'm straight no, they fought a while he fought a while he got really lit up in the leg Yeah, real bad, but Sato was so good, too Yeah, what about? Butterbean vs. Genki Sudo Oh, yeah, you know, he hooked him right? Yeah Oh fuck yeah, you was a good guy Dobby didn't you no no we I I had a training session with all the Japanese guys that were going to Abu Dhabi one year. I was in Japan with Hanzo and he goes, Hanzo was fighting in Pride.

So he wanted me and Hikado Ameda to go with everybody, all the Japanese guys, they were filming it. They were going over of Uno, Romuno, Sato, Genki, Sudo. They were all getting together, all the Abu Dhabi team together, a grappling session. They were gonna film stuff film stuff. She goes I want you and Hikado to go down there. It'd be good for you And I mean was my first time in Japan But I'm like, all right fine, you know hands over makes us, you know, it makes go So the day before high and did something the fucking Hikado's leg So the car couldn't do nothing I in the pile man, so I had to go down So it's just me, you know, so I they were with me

But so I went with Genki Sudo at one point I went with all out of the guys and it was like like four minute matches from like the feet So at one point like I jumped guard and he went down he stood up and he started going around in a circle He goes for a leg lock, oh my god, I got out of it, but it's fucking weird, but they all did the voice Oh Thank you as wild wild guy man Genki was supposed to be my first fight in the UFC. Oh, Remy Bonjasky Yeah, he got head kicked Oh, he's not used to that. Yeah, he got head kicked. He said that sorry. Well, Remy Bonjasky was amazing Yeah, he was and he fought he said had such an interesting style crazy knees. Yeah. Hey, man

We just lost Rob Kamen. Okay, that's not Hard nice guy. I worked out with that guy a lot. I trained with that guy for like Like a period it was amazing. He was awesome. Those Dutch guys are cool man. He's the coolest He was the last he's super joint seminar with him in in Canada one time. He's just a cool guy Check check, please. I'll enjoy that friends both boxing member Yeah, yeah, he figured out how to do it a little bit,

and started fucking people up. Well, his hands were so good. Yeah. You know, those guys, if you could have, like, elite hands, and you could figure out the kicks, you had, like, a little bit of an advantage, because some of those guys, their boxing was not the best. Right, right, right.

You could just stay in close. Yeah. I think Genki Sudo get Raymond Decker also. Raymond Decker got submitted. I think he did. I think he did. I remember him, because I remember, I think I think he's su to get Raymond Decker also Raymond Decker got submitted. I think he did I think Him because I remember I think I think I was his only MMA fight I remember that guy cuz long ago used to always point that guy on this fucking Deckers in his prime as the wildest highlight reel of any fighter fuck people he was an assassin He had his ankle fused his ankle had broken so many times that his doctor

He couldn't bend his ankle and his doctor's like it look if you keep kicking with that thing. We might have to remove it Fuck you wrap it back up kicking people to he just once we got in there. He just smashed Well, he kicked through everything he did he kicked through your arms. He kicked through your elbows Ramon deckers was a fucking machine man, and he was a small guy So he's fighting the elite ties that are all his weight and just peacing people up. He was mean to Roche's just put on a Ramon Decker highlight. He was Ferocious man. He was the combinations He was the first guy that like perfected the duchy that

He was the combinations. He was the first guy that like perfected the duchy that Ernesto Huss used to always do that left hook to the body right low kick. He would hit that thing It was a fucking thing of beauty and it was just such a fucking killer Such a killer like just mean everything was hard. Everything was hard Every fucking strike was full power and this motherfucker just put people away Strike was full power and this motherfucker just put people away Ramon deckers was the fucking man. Yes hands were so powerful to know There's a thing that he had above a lot of those guys was his punching power Bro he's trying to He's on the way down. He's still trying to me off on him I'm on Decker's bro. Come on son. Let's see his hand in MMA after this

That's what he's a guy he died young to so I love about you jitsu. He died young to he died Yeah, I think he died like a heart attack while he's riding his bike or something crazy He probably rode his bike like a fucking savage. He's yeah, right just yeah I did everything hard had a fucking fucking heart attack he was a monster man imagine being stuck in the fucking ring with this guy I mean him and back then there was nobody like him I mean he was just fucking everybody up and he was so mean look at this kicking him through the ropes like you had to stop him you had to pull him off you look dudes going down head kicks him bro Ramon Decker's

Bring on ganky That was the thing that Rob Cameron was great at too that The low kick across the front of the legs he would step off to the left and throw that right low kick across both thighs That's a thudder Bro Ramon Decker's I mean what a highlight reel fucking highlight I know everybody getting smoked it's all everyone just getting pieced up and the power that

motherfucker had with his kicks with his punches everything he just destroyed people but he destroyed his own body too I mean his his ankle was completely fucked by the time his career was over. What are Steven Seagal shit in that? Duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh He was a kid and it was first like when I met Chuck Norris, I was like, oh my god, I'm Chuck Norris I hug Chuck Norris So for a reason it might have been like the fucking first one was the first one above the law

Everybody like that movie was legit. So if Anderson fell in love with that Steven Seagal it makes sense what about how about Alpha Justice Alpha Justice was anybody seen Bobby Lupo he wanted to be Italian in the worst so bad when the mob was allegedly sponsoring his movies he had like a mix up with the mob. The mob was involved in financing his movies. Like, Steve, I don't think you understand. He's showing them how to grab him by the nose. This is what you do, just grab him by the nose. Imagine telling Anderson Silva,

when you get in the clinch, just grab him by the nose. Watch this, take him down, grab his nose. What the fuck are you saying? He's giving him coaching. It's adorable and Anderson's listening. But the thing is is like Anderson might be able to take something from some of this that's true yeah and it's true man creative right then when he hit Tony Fricklin with that step in yeah elbow and you know that he had to train that away from his coaches because his coaches told him to stop drilling that

you're not gonna use that really and so he made his wife hold pillows so his wife would hold pillows he would step in and throw that elbow no kidding yeah bang and then he did it on purpose just to show them fuck you yeah i can do this shit and this was when this is when anderson before he came over to the ufc look at this boom oh that's is that when he got his head split bro come on no they just he k.o'd him but bro anderson in those days when he got his head split bro. Come on. No, they just killed him But bro Anderson in those days when he was fighting in England, that's when he became Anderson So when he came over to the UFC to fight Chris Liebman, I was like everybody hang on. Yeah Fucker before me and Dean Thomas fought on that card. It was the Dean. It was the tough for finale We fought me and Dean Thomas fought on that card. It was the Dean. It was the tough for finale

Chris Liebman didn't get close to a man that was row that was That and rich Frank. Yeah both brutalize those guys But that was that was an Anderson became Anderson, you know Like when we fought Rio Chonan and pride and Rio Chonan flying scissored here to a heel I remember that too. He wasn't as good back then. Right. He was just, there was something missing

and then he goes to England and then he finds himself. And then he starts fucking everybody up. Jorge Rivera. Yeah, for sure. You remember when Jorge Rivera stood right in front of him, let him punch him in the face? I mean, it's like Anderson was on another planet. I know.

He was on another planet back then. He was, man, he was, he was dangerous. Yeah, Lee Murray. Lee Murray, he peaked up Lee Murray. Danger was Lee Murray. Lee Murray. He was dangerous. Dangerous. I was at the club that night that Lee Murray got into that fight with Tito. You were there? Did you see it? It was in London. Did you see the fight? It was in London on Manchester. Where was that? Where the **** was that? It was London. It was London.

Cuz he he beat up Tito and Tito. I remember he came up to me. Yeah, slippery shoes. First of all all when you're looking to do his eyes You know cuz he was talking to me in the club You like the Jiu-Jitsu I can't do the accent, but he's like He's asking me about my he says you like the Jiu-Jitsu. I like to knock people out I thought he was like a crazy knucklehead So I was just talking I'm like, ah, yeah cool. And then when I left later that night I heard he fucking knocked out Tito dropped Tito. Yeah, he was a real gangster

Imagine a guy that's that good at MMA and fighting is actually a real bank robber I know because he fucked a lot of people up man They did like a little mini documentary on on that I don't know if it's showtime or HBO or who it was could have been on Netflix wasn't Guy Ritchie gonna do a film about that heist that's what I'm wondering what's a cool story is crazy yeah they should have did that bunch of fighters put on tactical gear and robbed 50 million dollars had to love his mural in his house in Morocco mural in his house of submitting awesome 50 million dollars

It was last year Did was this His guy Richie's making a movie It does it does not say he is it says it's catching lightning It's more like that marriage is gotta take his coach and people like that People that were in but you know around when the heist happened all that stuff so but if you click on that it said Guy Richie's making a movie that someone's responding to that, but is that just rumor yes someone said you said something about it No, I'm probably lying again. I'm probably spreading more misinformation.

God damn it. Probably say Guy Ritchie's name right on it. Oh, so this is a documentary. Oh, it's a documentary series. Oh, well that's gotta be really interesting. That's what I wanna see. Oh, beautiful. So that was out April 7th?

It's out right now. Oh, okay And it's called catching lightning. Yep, so I will check that out for sure. It was good It's a crazy story man, but he was a real elite fighter. He was a dangerous knockout striker. Yeah Showtime Wife is the one that like showed me that it was on we watched it was good. I Saw him fight live. Well, obviously in the horror Rivera fight, but I saw him fight live against Amir ran of already. Oh, yeah. He was a fucking killer dude. He was a killer. That's Lee Murray was a dangerous fight He go box danger. Yeah good hands dangerous puncher. He had something there. When I remember, and this was, I mean, shit,

that was when I seen him at that club. I mean, when was that? Early 2000s and I seen something in his eyes. You could tell. Do you remember when he got stabbed in a knife fight and then was in the hospital almost dead and then hit and pat six weeks later? Oh my God.

Yeah, show Lee Murray. I think it's like, I legitimately think it was like six to eight weeks after getting stabbed if I remember it correctly He was hitting mitts And I was like this is the most insane thing I've ever seen in my life See if you can find that because it was a video that I reason it wasn't like that He was tearing the mitts up, but he was hitting him is after getting stabbed in the heart in the heart in the heart Bro, I mean he got stabbed a bunch of time

That's crazy should have died and lived and then next thing he's hitting mitts and then after they're planning a bank robbery You'll see on the documentary like they kind of Show they kind of say he's not you know he ain't the mastermind they like set him up to be that guy Oh the master I wouldn't think he'd the mastermind of the organization They were in it's I mean it's pretty crazy and it wasn't at the largest amount of money like in Stolen and yes history or something like that. How do they catch them? How do they know who did it? I mean you I'm gonna ruin the documentary Mean you I'm gonna ruin the documentary

Is there a video of him hitting the pads after being stabbed in the heart see if you can find that cuz it's so crazy Oh, it was on YouTube. I believe this thing does all of my spit this thing out Yeah, it gets a little chewy have another one yeah get in there sir. Thank you junkie Go can William stuff is not for amateurs give me a sin. Give me a sin. Thank you, bro. Let's go. Let's go Ready to revive for round three sin. Do you remember when Panama Lewis gave Aaron Pryor the green one? Not that one, the other one. And then he came out, woo! Do you guys remember when Craig Hardy wanted somebody to give him a fucking, never mind. What? Craig Hardy the wrestler? No. Everybody forgot I shouldn't bring it up. Thank God. But, nah, Greg Hardy was fighting and he goes, man, I need my inhaler. So his corner guy, he must have been new to the UFC.

He goes, all right. It was Dean Thomas. It's like, Dean, I'm sorry. Oh, you were fighting Greg Hardy. No. Greg Hardy was fighting, Dean was cornering Lewis. Oh, Greg Hardy, the heavyweight guy. Oh, Jesus Christ.

You saw it approved? I asked, I asked the dude and he said yeah. Is that not you saw it approved? Who handed it to him? I handed it to him. How many motherfuckers? Is that not you saw it approved? No, it's not.

Oh boy, and they did it on camera? In reality, if a dude fights with asthma, you would think he'd be cleared to use his fucking inhaler. Right, but what does the inhaler do for you? Would it be beneficial for someone who doesn't have asthma? Yeah He got cleared to have it in the back He thought he was able to have it in the corner So when I asked the guy is they can he have this he said yeah, I think so. Oh, so I gave it to him

well Sorry to bring that up I said can he have this he said yeah, I think so so I gave it to him well Sorry to bring that up He was like you know that damn Dean Thomas how could he do this You know it's complicated too because the rules keep shifting right rules in different states are all different So yeah, it's a hundred percent But what the but the testosterone rule was the craziest rule. Of all the rules that have ever existed in the UFC when they started giving people testosterone, that was the craziest rule.

I know, that was the, yeah. That was the craziest. There were wild west days where people could take whatever they wanted. What years was that where they were just allowed to guys? That's a good question. I wanna say it's like 2010ish. Look, when this thing fought Vitor.

What year did Luke Rockhold fight Vitor? Because Vitor came back a different man when he... A different man? He looked different. Way different. And that was when he spin kicked Luke in the head. Remember? Yup. Luke Rockhold said, I was looking at this guy at the weigh-ins going, what the fuck is he on?

Because Vitor was just like a fucking silverback. Just, ahhh. What the fuck is he on? Fucking silver back He was like 220 had traps up. Oh, yeah We first came on the scene I was there for his first fight UFC 12 in Dothan, Alabama and no one knew what to expect because Everybody thought that V tour was a Carlson Gracie black belt so they expected him Yeah, just a rapper you got but he came out with them Brazilian fucking model shorts on and the MMA gloves and just tuned up Trey tell it called Victor

Gracie yeah, that's what I'm Victor Gracie. That's what we called him back then we called him Victor I was at his school when he was training back then I was at Carlson Gracie's in 97 that's part of how the reason I got this gig you know it's funny He I I interviewed him once and he mentioned that they used to train there. Yeah, I trained there in 96 that's when I started training there when he when he killed Vanderlei in that oh, yeah I'm a very lay was a savage track then just people didn't know yet. He came out with wrestling shoes on Yeah, he came out like memory was like almost like he was freezing him He was in like Vanderlei was in waiting.

Alvaro Romano, you know, the guy at Ginostica Naturale. Yep, yep, yep. He used to be like, I guess, part of the Carlson team. And he said, like, Vanderlei was pissed because he thought Vitor was in the back trying to freeze him out. And what Alvaro said was that Vitor was petrified. Said he was in the back, was crying, and they had to make him go out there. And then he went out there and machine gunned Vanderlei

across the cage like so crazy. Finally, it was terrifying back then. I heard that story, right? So I had to, as a journalist with integrity, I had to ask him about it. He said that he had stomach problems. Is he going to admit? No, I know. That's the same thing I thought. That's the same thing I thought. But I had to ask him about it he said that he had stomach problems. Is he gonna admit? I know, that's the same thing I thought. But I had to ask him about it. Well, 2013, so it was 2013 so 11 years ago they were juicing. Yeah. We know something happened because he made an excuse. Yeah, no doubt. He said he had stomach problems.

How many years they had TRt for when did it start? That's a question for the vitski right? Yeah, Dan Henderson was on that shit, right? Yeah, but not for a while He was on like later He wasn't I don't think you and he was on a low dose of it and when he got off it He's one of the guys right. That's basically the same guy when he got off of it It was he like he couldn't train his heart I think he said but he knocked out Hector Lombard after he got off of it. That was post-TRT days.

He was still fucking people up. Remember when he knocked out Fador? Oh yeah. Dan Henderson knocked out Fador. Yeah, he ducked under, he snuck out the back door and hit him with an uppercut. Boom! Because Fador had him rocked and he went down,

he was on his back and Fador jumped on him, he grabbed ahold of a a single snuck out the back Yeah, and then just hammered him with that fucking Hendo right hand The bismuth knockout was the crazy the crazy cuz he gave him the little the craziest the flying punch and that became his logo I know and after watching tough and bismuth you know he's he's a Look, I like Michael bismuth and he, and he's an instigating motherfucker, and he was on him the whole time, so you almost were happy, you know, at that point that Dan got his revenge.

Dan's an animal. But now I work with Bisping, man. I like him a lot, man. I love him. I think he's great. And I hate watching that clip, man, because I like him so much. Well, you don't want to see your boy get hurt. It's rough watching a guy get hammered in the face after He's out cold. Yeah, that's a that guys I mean I like I like this game when he was on tough like when he came up like he was obviously a talented guy and Wound up becoming a world champ. He's a solid guy very solid guy

We should mention that he won that read that rematch. I got fucking hiccups. Oh, yeah, they are He won the match for us. No for the title when he was a champion Yep, he had one eye that one not well How about the craziest one was when he beat Anderson and then he gets his mouthpiece knocked out He's pointing to the referee to get his mouth. He got a fly knee and walk off. Yeah, it's a walk-off KO Yep, and then they didn't call it because it was like the end of the fight and biss being It wasn't like John McCarthy was doing the the referee and right wasn't John think so and then they didn't was it her or was it? John I can't that point it might have been her I think I think was her but I think the fight wasn't over

They had another round their fight was not over because they thought Anderson thought he KO'd him He hit him with that flying knee and dropped him and walked away like it was walk away KO Yeah, and then the fight kept going jumped on the cage That's right. He thought it was over. Yeah. Meanwhile was like this being was blind in one eye Yeah, so this being when he's pointing to see where else I could see he probably couldn't even fucking see it coming I'm looking for his goddamn eye How many fights? He said he fought how many times with one eye? Then he walks away. And they're like, no, it's not over. He goes, what the fuck? I think he just said, what

the fuck? Man, mentally too. How do you come from that adrenaline dump right? Meanwhile bismuth survived how tough is this motherfucker one eye and survives. He's a savage Crazy right and by the way that left eye that's fucked up. That's the good. That's the good eye. That's the good I that's the eye he can see out of and he comes back and he wins the fifth round which is bananas man Just fucking bananas and even the win the title he's being had to be he had to beat Luke Rockhold Luke Rockhold took him out the first time and he beat him on short notice there's another very short notice fight one of my favorite moments is right before they were gonna fight Luke was going to him and he's like what's that buddy and he goes like he doesn't want to touch hands the guy touch in a minute motherfucker

It was great his podcast was a wild he's good. He's entertaining Yeah, he's a fun guy there He you know he's got an interesting perspective about this Mike Tyson Jake Paul thing you know cuz even though bispin only has one eye He's been trying to get Jake Paul to fight him which is kind of crazy It's a nice paycheck would they allow that a guy with one eye to fight? I don't think so. They're a 60 year old guy What do you think about this Mike Tyson Jake Paul thing do you think it's crazy It's always hard to say cuz you know, he's got he has the ability to drop him on his ass at any time But how look I think rules are to his favor.

Are we getting tricked by watching pad work? We're getting tricked. I mean, that's a fact. But if you look at the pad work, it's little three to five second bursts. Right. It's not one round. If he was doing that in all one round, I'd go, oh.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I mean, anybody could put that together. But also, he's just starting to train again right no still you know they won two yeah those videos he's literally saying day one here's the question how was this fight with Roy Jones I didn't see it how was it I think they had an agreement not to punch that exactly right he was told Roy didn't would not fight him like he wasn't trying to get hit in his head so you had like a pre-arranged thing where he wasn't going to knock him out. Mike was not trying to knock him out.

That's what it looked like. The fight will be an exhibition, but it'll be real fight rules. I think this is when he was on Hannity. They're saying 16 ounce gloves and only two minute rounds. Like that's to Mike's favor. Yeah, that's it. You know, two minute rounds for sure. Because that was my biggest thing.

Like if he doesn't get him in the first couple rounds what kind of gases is he gonna have at his age I don't know see here's the thing it's at his age with a lot of supplements yeah yeah you know hey look I'm look I hope he wins yeah god forbid I don't if you was just a regular 57 year old dude with not modern hormone replacement all that jazz I'd go he doesn't have a chance but 57 years old with just used to the tits and Jake did you like I don't know man like what are the rules like what are the rules like what are you allowed to do because if you just allow him to do whatever he wants to do it's an exhibition no drug testing email response from the Texas

Licensing Commission the promoter is requested to have an event that day. We did not receive any proposed cards and thus have no details of what they're planning and that will affect the possible rules. All bouts are subject to review and approval by TDLR. Please let me know if you need any other information. Okay. So it's not necessarily carved in stone yet. They might not approve it. If a lot of people Protest maybe they are they doing it in Texas thing if it's gonna be it I mean they were trying to do it at AT&T Stadium like that's crazy if Tyson dies, right? Oh, yeah, see if you have something like that if you look if that'll be the end of the right Experiment let's imagine it in in a different way, right? Let's not imagine that Mike Tyson is fighting Jake Paul.

Let's imagine Mike Tyson is fighting some young, like really powerful knockout artist who's a contender. Probably won't want to say it. Well, guess what? Jake Paul could be that guy if we didn't think of him as Jake Paul. If you look at the people he knocks dead, when he knocked dead Tyron Woodley with one punch,

that dude did a fucking crack. Yeah, I mean, honestly, so like that's what I'm saying Exactly, but you're saying we don't want to give him credit because it's Jake Paul exactly But we got a we got to wake up and realize that he's still 27 young and for the last four or five six seven years He's had the best assistant coaches working with him one-on-one now We wouldn't be thinking that if it wasn't Jake Paul that he couldn't do it right so you're right about that and He's dedicated and he's dedicated and if he was just some wild young dude coming up knocking people out knocking out former MMA

Champions like Tyron we would go whoa keeping an eye on this kid this guy might be something someday like he's on the way up Tyson grew up in this sport 100% but he's also 57 Yeah, it'd be 58 of the time they fight which is my question How do you how do you think? like Jake Paul All the guys he's fought are much smaller than him whether you want people want to say so or not Ben Askren Fought his whole life at 70 right 55 and 70 pounder, you know Tyron 70 pounder 55 and 70 pounder, you know Tyron 70 pounder So this guy's walking around well over 200 cutting to 85 for these fights

You know, this is finally a dude like he didn't hurt like the Tommy Fury dude He didn't hurt Nate really during the fight I thought Nate's inactivity like he didn't really get busy and date apparently on a fucked up shoulder going. All right Well, then that would make sense because he didn't really heard but I might not be true you know so what how is he gonna handle again the age is the factor but you know strong I'm saying and just like it's had if they got him on the right fucking mixture they're gonna have to even if he's gonna be competitive they don't have them on the right mixture how How do you pass drug tests? How does that work?

I mean, is there a drug test on an exhibition? I don't know. That's a good question because if there's not ye fucking Drugs is the only way I think he's competitive right it we have I mean, that's obvious if you just look at him though He has to be on some kind of hormone He looks he looks pretty fucking yoke. He looks he looks pretty yo what a comeback since the hangover They got big for a while oh, yeah, yeah when he was doing the one-man show and all it's when you're fat well Both Tyson's on the podcast I had Tyson when he's big when he wasn't training at all and I said to me you don't work out at all He goes, I'm afraid I'll ignite my ego. Oh Man, that's terrifying and that's what happened. He did that thing

When he came back for the Roy, it was two different interviews to different humans. Yeah a hundred percent I Jamie was the first one to say it's like a totally different. Yeah He was way more intense. We know what I mean terrifying Probably and you can imagine he's gonna be in those anastromes How you say I'm again You gotta be in that mindset though when you're ready to fight though, you're a different mindset The thing is if if he's physically capable of recapturing 70% of what he used to do just dealing with that just dealing with that with probably 90% of the power 70% of the physical ability and 90% of the power because the power is not gone you see it when he hits a bag. Yeah he's still got the power. The power is

there 100% but he's had a bunch of back issues He had real bad sciatica. He was having problems walking and stuff. He was walking with a cane. Yeah. So but who knows what they've done? Stem cells. I'm sure he's with the right people. Like even at 57, you can make a lot of money if Mike Tyson's fit and in shape, which is so crazy to say. It's just weird that we even talking about it. Right? 100%. That the fucking guy from Disney is gonna fight like Tyson the YouTube kid Yeah, I know and the path to beat Mike always was long dudes that had a good jab later in his career when he wasn't Moving his head anymore, so I don't know if Jake can keep Mike off with his job. We're gonna see Grab him and yeah, I mean, that's what he does

You know Tyson's people are gonna be in the back saying don't let him, you know, wrestle. He'll be wrenching those fucking arms the way he used to. If Tyson can have a flashback to the glory days, if there's just like a moment where he just sees a combination and empties it on him. That would be wild to watch. Yeah for Jake to hurt him He's got to be there to get hurt. I know he's not exactly Muhammad Ali So and if Tyson can still move his head like he used to move his head now the thing about lower backs though If you got a lower back problem, you got to kind of like save that movement You can only do it so many times where it's painful It all depends on the condition of his lower back because you've got to think Mike Tyson in his prime go back and watch some of those early days he's just coming at you. He was just moving. There's just so much to just so much to calculate and bombs are coming your way

and you're trying to hit it with jabs. The customado Tyson was the whole problem. The head movement. People forgot how hard he was to hit. His head move was sick. That's what's not in his career I mean exactly that was a big difference exactly and I think that coincided with back problems I just and he also had neck problems. I believe he had a neck surgery because you know He's just a lot of those wrestlers and that dude Oh my god, and you got to think of how many dudes like Lennox Lewis just teed off on his noggin And Vanderhoef field just teeing off on his noggin. What is that doing to your neck? That can't be good.

But my whole thing is this, man. What we saw with Vitor Belfort and Evander Holyfield, if that's any indication. And Vitor was 45. Right. You got a point there. It was brand on the show. I know.

Brand on the show. So is Jake. Yeah, you think Jake is? Maybe. I mean, why would he be? But he's also young. He's 27. Right, so maybe Jake. Yeah, you think Jake is maybe maybe I mean why was young and he's still 27, right? Yeah, so maybe he's not but either either way. He's got natural testosterone. Yeah, why aren't you just shooting a movie? What? Yeah, what'd you do? I'm shooting a movie with Denzel. No No, I called myself I'm not gonna Not call myself Independent film I'm doing in LA right now. Yeah, so nice. Yeah, don't get stopped by any homeless people. No, no

Be careful. I stay at no man. LA. I don't like LA, but it's weird. Yeah, it's weird now There's no optimism left in the city. No, it's a city that's abandoned. Yeah, San Francisco place Oh, they're all fucked And it's it happened so quick. It makes me wonder like what is that gonna be like everybody got out of there, huh? Look how quick San Francisco got cleaned up when Right back I was saying if I was the mayor of San Francisco, I just buy that dude a condo. Come stay Whenever you're here What happened take care of him when he came into town for a conference they cleaned up the streets everything everything the guys Put barriers barriers. I'm get up on there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, they clean

And then we're gonna put a news exactly what Gavin Newsom said that was so hilarious He said well when guests come over you clean up your house like bitch keep your house When guests come over, you clean up your house. Like, bitch, keep your house clean. You got human shit all over the floor of your house. That guy, man. He's a psychopath. He can lie to your face without even blinking an eye. It's so weird to watch him do it, too.

It's like 1980s Roadhouse line. For real. It's not even good. He's the one that got caught eating out. Yes. I don't know, dine and dinners or something. Yeah. And he's like, well, I've been bad. You got me.

He was like, you shouldn't really do that. And I was, you know, my bad. It's like, dude, you fucking slimy. He's so slick and he looks like a guy who could be president. And we're dumb. We're like, I think he talks good. He looks like Christian Bale, an American psycho. He does.

But it's like, you know, if he says the right things and he talks the right way, look, Biden won won say it with a smile and you're good Biden won and he's barely alive. So yeah You know, and they're running him again. I'd rather have Terry Crews from Idiocracy Terry Crews can win right now. Yeah on Terry Crews everybody loves their plates with Gatorade or whatever the drink was You wanna know the wildest shit? The Rock told me. He told it on the podcast that they called him and contacted him about running for president? Yeah, I think so. Was it on the podcast? I think you said both sides, yeah I think so. Yeah, they contacted him and asked him if he wanted to run. The Rock.

What? That's idiocracy. That's real. Yeah, it is too. I mean for sure sure how about he could win I know The mean the dude is disciplined I know guy Jack yeah, Jack president right you want somebody where every other president has to step aside. Yes the rock is here. Yep The rock Johnson details how political party party asked him to run for president. He says, yeah, on my podcast, it's hilarious. Yeah. Isn't that wild, dude?

Asked him to run for president. He knows for the Democrats, for sure. Yeah. And if he did, went. Oh, he, I mean, he f**king went before the latest election. Teddy Cruz, Teddy Cruz. There we go.

That's him. That is the president right there. Come on, son. If the Rock won and then came out like that. That was the name of it. Imagine if the Rock won and came out with that outfit on. Can I just say, if anybody out there has not seen Idiocracy, they should watch that.

Oh my god, it's so good. It holds up. Mike Judge is a genius. What a judge. He's a genius. Orpheus Space. Beefers and Butthead. Everything.

Mike Judge is the man. Orpheus? Was it what? Orpheus Space? Orpheus Space. King of the Hill. King of the Hill. He's the the man Mike judge is the man. He's a great guy, too. He lives out here That's why I had we had him on unfiltered once and like the fact that he knew one of my fights as I knew I'm like, oh my god, I get mad when people like no like I don't think anybody watches anything You know Mike and I was all like cuz I don't get impressed with guys in Hollywood and stuff

But I fucking love office space And all this shit when I like somebody's work He's just a regular dude he seems it's a real cool guy. He's a fan like a real fan of MMA He loves fights. I met him about years ago, too He's been coming to the fights for a long fucking time and it comes in a face, too Yeah, I met him at the fight. So first time I ever him was he a comedian as well, or was he just a writer? I don't think he did stand-up. I might be mistaken. I mean pretty fucking I don't know He's a hilarious and what's upsetting is these movies that like they become like cult classics

Like I don't think idiocracy or office space I might be wrong, but I don't think they made a lot of money, but they are fucking classics If you see those movies made money Made money. Yeah I don't know about that. Was it? And then you gotta think about all the DVD sales and all the streaming sales I don't think it's made like a you know, a theatrical thing I'm not sure. I don't think it did. I think it might have made it up on

Damn that's a funny movie. It was pretty funny. That is such a good movie. But those movies you can't get them today. They don't make them anymore. They don't make those wild insane funny something about Mary type movie You can't know somebody somebody's always gonna get offended Stores put out quite a few Thunder is one of the all-time great comments I'm telling you could not make it a lot of the the humor just was different back No, you're allowed. Yeah, you were allowed to joke about you're allowed to actually be funny about Ricky Bobby. Yeah

They don't even make funny movies anymore Such a judgmental world that we live in now everybody's trying to attack things and take people down It's just so stupid in the beginning of hangover. Um Your friends hang a mature ready great paging dr. Faggot You know It's a silliness, you know, but you can't people need more silliness 100% we all do you know That's why this is fun. That shit was great. That's why the four of us get together

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But they speak English to earth I'm gonna watch it watch it But they get too much into the it's a good show But then they do stuff just for the Midwest and people I don't give a fuck about the though. They play the hee-haw music and they're like 1883 I watched it. I watched 1883 and I watched 1923. They were both great. I'm waiting for the To come out When the one gets back from Africa Which one was the one one was really good both great 1883 is fucking amazing dude that guy's over that oh yeah or Sheridan oh yeah he's a great guy so car is maybe one of the sickest movies of all time that was depressing

though the 1883 yeah yeah but that's what life was like back then. That was a brutal existence. Even the 1923, I like when they start coming up with the... Frigidary and shit. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Even the ones that are resisting it, they're like, well, I don't have to get one of those washing machines or something. They're like, it's just coming out.

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Dean? Catch me at the next Karate Combat, Joe Schilling and Luke Rockhold taking the year. That's right, when is that happening? April 20th. Oh shit, I like you. Yeah, so y'all can choke shot there. He's a bad man.

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