The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #155 with Max Holloway

Episode Date: April 26, 2024

Joe sits down with Max Holloway: a professional mixed martial artist competing in the Featherweight and Lightweight divisions of the UFC, where he is the current BMF Title holder. http://www.ufc.com/athlete/max-holloway Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Have you ever had to deal with jet lag for a fight? No not really. I mean we try to go up like early that's why. So the first two days is whatever but then after that we're all good. Where's the furthest that you had to fly to to fight? I think so Abu Dhabi fight island and so how long does that take to adjust? Brother that one was weird cuz then you remember they had us Fighting at weird times like you know like so we had to change We had to sleep during the during the day and then wait like train during the night like I remember going to sleep

They're all like eight or nine o'clock a.m.. Whoa yeah, cuz we was fighting like around that time like early in the morning So it was just uh doesn't seem so you had to get your body acclimated to acclimate it up That's it. That's got to play a factor right like if you live in Abu Dhabi. That would be a big advantage Oh for sure for sure. I mean did you not just see the Did you like hard that is that announced in UK 3 a.m.. Brother? Yeah, that's just see the July card that got announced in UK? 3 AM, brother. Yeah, that's crazy. Is the main card start.

So they're saying whoever's main headline is fighting at 6 AM. That's crazy. That's insane, bro. You know how drunk that audience is going to be. Brother, you see. Great. I saw, you know what is funny? I saw a clip, I saw a clip, a meme of a video of like a UK fan.

He's like living in the UK. He was like, he watched our fight. Our fight just got done. Mine's in Justin. He played our clip and then he was like, great now I can start my morning. He opened the door. It's light out and stuff. I'm like, holy shit. Yeah, they have to deal with different, I mean, it's funny the American pay-per-view time schedule just trumps everything oh yeah I mean crazy I guess we're the ones who buy it the most I wonder what the numbers are and the rest of the world I think UK is UK is another hotspot right and UK was big mm-hmm they some there are some fight fans to be yeah doing that every and you know once a month they're planning a pit there's a pay-per-view card, and they're like look honey

3 a.m.. I'm probably gonna be screaming so please don't you know don't divorce me. So it's pretty awesome Yeah, you just got to get one tolerant wife and have everybody go over that house Yeah, I'd be like hey guys, or you get the single friend. You know you know that one of the guys that he's just single You know I'm nothing going on. He's like, yeah, you come to my house. Yeah, that's perfect. So what has it been like for you after 300? I mean, it seems like I think for whatever reason, people go through phases of their career and with some fighters,

if a fighter gets a loss or two, they start to think that that fighter's started to decline. And with you, I think some people had written you off for some strange reason. Brother, oh brother. I don't get it. I heard the noise. I heard it, I heard the noise.

I'm like, listen, he's only 32, right? 32, right? Yeah, yeah, exactly, it's only 32. That's athletic prime I'm like there's not no beatings. There's no knockouts There's no like there's no decline in the expression of skills inside the octagon Everything looks the same and better every fight You know what the problem is the problem is that I got these guys got to see me grow up You know I got in the UFC when I was 20 years old and a lot of people think I'm DC's old ass 42 years old or something you know I mean, and then I'm like brother. I'm not DC

I've been calling out DC, but I'm a young guy. You know just because I've been harassing His his potato looking butt like come on bag of potato looking ass. I'm gonna together hilarious Looking but like come on back of a tail looking ass. I'm gonna together hilarious He's the best a lot of guys just think I'm old because I've been fighting since I was 20 and then it wasn't and it's Not like I've been fighting 20. I've been fighting since I was 20 and I fought a who's who in in in my Since you were 20 years old just past teenager. Yeah, so like especially with the you know with the vogue fights You know, it's like That the first two fights is all was was alright in that third fight is what made everybody go Oh, he's done for I'm like brother like that was his vogue's night. He was on you know

I mean like it is what it is. Everybody's like, oh, yeah. Look look at Max He he vogue just did this and now they're doing MMA math cuz Ilya did that to Vulcan Uh-huh even with Ilya doing MMA math. I beat a guy that beat you to town my brother. This is not how it works I lost to Dustin Dustin just got knocked up from from Justin and now what then now can I say I beat Dustin now? No, it is that doesn't yeah, you know styles make fights So it's also do look what happens in camp what what kind of condition are you coming into the fight in? Did you are you fighting injured? How did I yeah? Did you just fight Islam Makachev and get head kick? I mean, that's a big factor man

That was crazy you know a lot of people is giving me a Shit when uh cuz there's some talked about our fight about me and Justin saying was useless fight or whatever and I'm like Bro, like if you took the fight in February when like you should have because you came out clean I think so Justin would have would have fought you you know but like how the hell is someone that you just knocked like that was a scary knockout brother like that was a scary knockout ass knockout and that guy turning around in a couple months like bro you're not

supposed to get hit for that long right and then now you're doing a camp even if you're okay say you do a camp you don't spar camp right But then you still training hard or whatever and like maybe you just accidentally Fall over bump your head on something you know or like you're scratching your head You know or you're screaming or something because you're stressing out. You know I'm like I don't know what could happen but We got it. You have to have a long time. Yeah, I mean look at look at Justin I just saw Justin finally doing interviews out this fight, and he just said like I'm not doing nothing for six months Mm-hmm like nothing and I'm like bro. That's smart

You know Marquez knocked out Manny Pacquiao Freddie Roach made him wait a year one year one year. That's crazy So you got to really heal up that was a bad knockout, bro You only got I remember what it was he it was you that talked about it like that talked about our brain This is like long time ago when you're talking about the cotton candy thing in your brain and how once that disappear, that shit don't grow back, right? Exactly. And I remember watching that, that was a long time ago. I didn't know how many years that was ago.

And that really meant a lot. And everybody keep telling me like, oh Max, you get hit so much and blah, blah, this and that. I'm like, yeah, okay. In the fight, you might Max you get hit so much and blah blah this and that I'm like yeah okay in the fight you might see me get hit but I'm not I'm not I'm not sparring you know like I'm not sparring I'm being sparring this Justin Gaethje one brother I'm just going to the gates of hell we have to bring back sparring you know what I mean like I was I was ready to be a crash dummy against the we I told my coaches look this is a man that is very dangerous we need to get in we need to get it in the thick of it and get it done.

So we bring back sparring for this one, but it still wasn't crazy. It wasn't crazy. We had our hard days far outside of camp, like outside of camp, and it was fun. Then we kind of toned it out, but getting ready for Justin Gitchey, you had to, but then with your brain out,

you need to protect your brain. You know what I mean? Like there's so much movies like on concussions and the movie concussion and and we have so much uh what is it information now about the brain and how you can help yourself and how you can mentally and physically help yourself get better and and help the brain out so why why not use that you know a lot of people call me crazy a lot of people I keep hearing the talk about his chin gotta go this time his chin like when the hell is my chin my chin was supposed to go to last 20 fights I mean like what what are you guys talking about you know yeah? It's ridiculous someone either has a good chin, or they don't have a good chin

Yeah, you you're not getting hit clean a lot one of the things that you do a lot is you you roll with shots You're very good at rolling with shots when you're getting hit you're getting hit and I see you turn in your face I see you taking some steam off of a lot of shots and Your style is so it's it's it's a fun style to watch but it's also a nightmare to deal with You're switching stances you do your constantly cutting angles Like the volume that you put on Justin like when Justin was having a hard time catching to you It was it was very evident early on that you were on it But it was one of those fights where it's like damn Justin with one punch can fuck people up

Yeah, it's just like avoiding that one punch and then we start tuning him up then he dropped you he dropped Oh, yeah, what was that? Third third or fourth round, I forget. Fourth round. I think it was the fourth round. It didn't count as a drop, which is crazy, you know what I mean? Like a lot of people... It didn't count? No, it didn't! So like, they're... ESPN is like

posting and saying like, however many fights him with the UFC, right? I stayed and didn't get dropped. That's some bullshit, you know what I mean? That's bullshit. Get Justin down with you. I'll take it, you know what I mean? But I wouldn't be a man sitting here and telling you what I did. Bro, all I remember getting hit by that punch, and then I sat and then I came back up, I was like, what the fuck did he hit me with? Holy shit! That was a good punch. And then when I rewatched

it, he hit me right on the top of my dome. I was like, that was a good punch. And then when I rewatched it, he hit me like right on the top of my dome. I was like, holy smack, brother. This guy smacks. And then I was fine as soon as I got it. I was running, it was like, boom. You know, like the legs just give out, the legs just give out. Like I was there, even when I was standing, I was looking at him. But that, I don't know how that didn't count as a drop. But I don't know what they count as a drop because...

That has to count. Because, yeah, that was that was crazy No, that's a hundred percent of knockdown somebody just made a mistake But like did you ever see Ilya Toporia when he fought Jai Herbert? Yeah. Yeah, I saw that I saw that I was funny I'd never saw the fight but then when people was when he was talking about fighting and we was fighting and saying and he was he said something about

Dropping me or killing me and then I see the comments of him getting That that hit that left high kick getting dropped. So I was like, oh, yeah, I didn't see the fight But I saw that part I've been it was an amazing comeback cuz he knocked him out in the second round But man, he could take a shot because he got hit so clean with a switch kick off the left side Right shin to the chin just perfect I mean it was just whack and then his whole body just goes out and then he grabbed ahold of a single, check this out, watch this.

Boom! I mean, dude, watch the head snap back. Look at the head snap back. I mean, that is just shin to the chin. That is just a perfect Jai Herbert head kick. But he grabbed ahold of him and he managed to maintain his composure, got him to the ground, survives the round

and actually was winning the rest of the way to look for him in it He did a lot of wrestling. There's a lot of wrestling. He's a very complete fighter Yeah, very good, but he's very good. Very good and his fucking boxing man. His boxing is terrifying. I Was I was shocked that Volk wanted to take that fight so quickly after the market your fight in if I was his friend I would have not recommended that but I don't know if you could talk to him. I mean, he's a champion you Yeah, there's dudes like that is like Mike. We can do it Mike. Yeah, we're gonna go to war But the the human body it's a Vulnerabilities of the human body are real despite the spirit of the man

Yeah, despite the spirit of the man. You got damage no matter your spirit You still have something your brain your muscles are still hurting So it's going to only protect itself when you feel something when there's a warning sign going off like oh man warning Did it shut off because it's like look I'm gonna save me from myself like that's what Connor fought Dustin the last time he had a broken shit Yeah, he is his leg was broken or a stress factor Yep, yeah, he had a fracture going into that fight and he knew it and the body's gonna Your body's gonna give up You know no matter how strong the will is think about like what that cost him a lot two years two years two years

And who knows where he could have been if he hadn't taken that fight and he left look. It's only eight weeks Yeah, that you got a stress fracture like that. It's like eight weeks, and it's and it's healed right because it's not all the way through That's crazy. It could have healed it and then you know and you see They didn't move mountains for that man. So why not I don't know if they knew it was a fracture though It definitely was but they I think they have done MRIs on it. It was inconclusive Turned out. Oh, but it was badly hurt. Yeah, you know you've had bone bruises Yeah, you're like. I don't know if this is broken. You got to get it looked at yeah. Yeah. Yeah, they suck No, they heard bro. How was your left shin brother my leg?

It's all right now, but they hurt bro. I saw the bus to talk about it my bro It's got kick hard as shit. Yeah, and his bow the way his bones I don't know what it was made out of but I think the titanium Like I like to say my chin is made out of vibranium brother. He had a vibranium leg, bro I was like he went to Wakanda too I was thinking to myself like how I? Thought I only got to go to Wakanda. I guess But you know then I did but it hurt like I said my my shins did bruise it feels good

I can move I move it whatever is like stiff after the fight in there a lot of people always I always hear you talk About it in there and be like oh, yeah, it hurts I don't really feel it like I don't pay too much mind to it in in the fight Mm-hmm. I can feel when he hits it and it's like, oh, I'm telling myself that's gonna hurt later But you got 25 minutes, you know, we got to stay in here, you know And it's what's interesting is it doesn't seem to compromise your movement that much It depends entirely upon the person like some people get calf kicked once real hard And it swells up and you see immediately they're walking fucked up, and then they're trying to switch South Spa Yeah, they're trying to switch stances, but you don't seem to have as much of a problem with it

Yeah, it wasn't really a problem. I know it hurts I know it's gonna be hurt after the fight But then even that like switching stance is the most craziest thing to me while well after getting like completely landed Nicely there cuz if I switch that he should screw up to my legs what I'm gonna do crawl over to craziest thing to me while after getting completely landed nicely there. Because if I switch dads, he screwed up two of my legs. What I'm gonna do, crawl over to him? Right. You know what I mean? I'd rather have one leg than two legs messed up. Again though, I think that's you. I think you're particularly durable.

Because some guys, like you've seen what happens with Paheta. Oh brother. He kicks you a couple of times in that leg and that leg's fucked up, man. Messed up, bro. Everybody, even Jan Bojovic, who's made out of rocks. Yeah. Jan's, like, his bones are made out of stone. Remember when he was going with Uncle Iov? He went shin to shin with him.

Yeah. He was just cracking shins with him and fucking his leg up. Yeah, and then a guy like, bro, did you see the picture of me and Alex? Alex, did you guys see the picture of me and Alex they face swapped them no they put my face on Alex Ferraro try to look it up brother he look like Thanos bro and money McConnell bro money McConnell's like yeah fuck this guy you know you know money McConnell is like yeah fuck that guy right you gotta kill that money McConnell is the funniest guy brother he was like I saw Twitter he was like people asking me to fight max is he's nine

And I'm ten or something or eight and nine or something like that. Are you fucking crazy? He's like I'll fight him if he if we have one rule no punch Man he almost lost that Jalen Turner fight that was rather what happened there Jalen Turner tried to look cool and get a walk-off kill and it didn't happen. It didn't happen You can't do that. You got to follow up. That was the fight Like if he beat Moicano man and Jalen Adam Adam we was in I was at the hotel room still watching that fight I was watching it was watching it and Yeah, I was shipping it and yeah I was

tripping out and you know it's funny as soon as that as soon as that happened I was like I told my coach I was like you know what would be funny if Moneywell kind of comes out and re-nickers him the next round and he finishes him the next round. I was like damn. I was like whoa it wasn't funny but it was like damn that's amazing. Well Jalen is so long he's so dangerous too his knockout power like at length It's he catches guys on the end of shots You can't come close to him and he's cracking you and he's got nasty power and you know that Moicano dude He stuff he's very tough the fact that he figured it out. He's like fuck all this standing

I'm gonna grab that dude and drag him to the ground smart, bro. Yeah, I Fuck all this standing. I'm gonna grab that dude and drag him to the ground smart, bro. Yeah. Yeah, I do That's fine. That's fine. I cube on a card that was Oh brother from the beginning from the first number I had I had a family and friends that came to the fight and they went to the first fight Cody Garbrand you had to figure you had to bro you had and you got two former world champions going at it in the first fight Yeah, that's insane and two guys that are still awesome, and it was and it was fighting Oh, it was a fight. It was a fight. Yeah How crazy was it when he went for the handstand kick imagine he landed that kick on stuff's face When he was close went for the handstand and then he just yeah regular leg kick

Yeah, and I was kicked him in the head. That was crazy. Yeah, those cartwheel kicks are ridiculous crazy crazy You gotta set him up brother. You can't be just trying to turn him freely like that, you know? Well, Justin tried rolling thunder on you in like the last round, right? I knew, I knew he was gonna try it. I knew it. That's what Justin's known for, you know? So I knew he was gonna do it. We knew he was gonna do a couple stuff. We knew power punches, leg kicks. I was thinking if we got later in the rounds or if he was getting comfortable He's gonna try and do that thunder the rolling thunder kick. So who's ready for it? You know, he's got this weird ability to kick your legs like in a close bro. Close bro. Yeah

I heard you talking about how his hip is so flexible that he can just kick he can't bro It was almost like you know, you might what it remind me It wasn't a high kick, of course But you know what it reminded me, it wasn't a high kick of course, but you know what his leg kick reminded me of? It reminded me of your year's high kick. Like me and your year could be nose to nose and a fucking kick comes up. I'm like, holy shit, like he did it to me one time. Yeah. And I was like, what the, why you guys so flexible? And even like with Justin, with his leg kick,

bro, like some of them, even his angles that he take on his kick I'm like you're not hitting me with this and if I can he cracks me his whole shin across my knee I'm like what is going on. How you landing this is like his angles is weird, bro He has some weird angles for it for sure well He's very unique in a lot of ways is a very unique style very unique mentality He's a unique guy, but that the leg kicks in the clinch when he was what was it was it still? Pfl back there was peace. I know what you're talking about the one that he was in the clit in the clinch And full power I think he took it he took out that guy

Oh, he took out that guy it's horrible to watch because you're dealing with the clinch and you're thinking Oh, we're just clinching here, and he's just killing your legs like no one can like no one can I don't know anybody else? Who kicks the legs from the clenched like Justin Gaethje does full power clenching? You know how you do that heel kick that's what people do they usually grab that heel and they hit it or whatever But like this guy is like straight Jose Aldo running leg kicking to you in the right. You know it's insane Think about all the guys you fought Max. I mean you have fought the best of the best you fought everybody except market. Jeff There's like everybody of your era you fought yeah well with the market. Jeff fight is not not too far off So yeah, you know that never say never I got a couple more years than me for sure

What do you think like if you had a planet out okay? So here we got Poirier and Makachev are fighting. They're fighting next and that's going to be what is that New Jersey? New Jersey. So let's say Makachev wins. If Makachev wins, well even if Poirier wins, if Poirier wins, you and Poirier win. That'd be a fun fight. It's a great rematch. We have history, you know, especially at 55 have 45 and make you make it a double belt brother I would love that brother The double belt ever every time ever every great BMF and the lightweight title on the line every crazy Wow

That would be wild but even if whoever wins, but then I really like No, here's the thing at 55 you look fantastic you look bigger you look stronger I'm sure it felt better like oh yeah good brother bro the cut was the the cut was a cut don't get me wrong but it was it was beautiful but I was eating sushi all week eating more so I eat sushi when I go to 45 to buy leading more sushi all week well I was loving it do you think that that's better for you we see what happens you know I feel like I stood have an unfinished business for five I want to get the time I mean before this fight before this fight you know we only had like a couple of

options after this fight we the whole main goal with this fight was like just have all the options that was the me that was going down I mean, yeah Going to this fight was the mentality was let's have all the options. We we put we we go out there We do something spectacular, you know, I'm right up there with the top 50 fibers I'm right up. I still have my my spotted with the 45ers and then I know to my surprise after the fight They announced a Connor a Connor versus Chandler fight. So it's like me and Connor have some history. So there's options You know, I mean so and they're talking about doing something at 65. I know DC's been saying this

I don't know what he knows. I haven't pressed him. I'm sure DC knows something that guy only talks about stuff when he knows DC knows something. That guy only talks about stuff when he knows. He's just like... Yeah, clever. Yeah, yeah. He tries to... This is what DC acts about that. You know DC. You've been... You call a lot of fights with him. You know him as a person. He don't talk about nothing unless he knows something is going on, brother. Right. It's either... That's what I'm thinking.

Yeah, it's either he knows something going on or he's just bullshitting. So it's either they... It's one or the other. Yeah, I doubt he's bullshitting. He never ever plays the middle. one or the other Yeah, he never ever plays a minute middle exactly with the with that with that you know I mean I know he doesn't bullshit, but I know he sees all this stuff It's like it's crazy like cuz I saw him talking about uh the BMF I did you see that one with that bit with RC when he told RC or that he should who should also fight for the BMF, and I know disrespect to him, but like come on DC come on DC what they like he's just so off offline on that side, you know Yeah, he's so out of pocket like calling that you know well. He's out of pocket because he's so

Biased towards wrestling yeah, yeah, he wants he's like there's been no takedowns in the BMF fights like I think that's what a BMF Belt is you know well they can be take downs if it happens But it you know just have it just because you want takedowns Yeah, bring a wrestler in yeah, but that belt is a special belt, you know, it's it's it's a wild belt It's like it's wild. These are wild fights. That's why you know, you know, it's funny Like a lot of them it's funny cuz I see a lot of these guys These MMA guys guys some guys who's just like even doing MMA, I see everything brother, from like low level MMA guys that's trying to come up to mid to high.

And before this fight, everybody was shitting on the BMF, whatever, blah blah blah. And then now that I got it, I'm happy to see that it's actually getting its worth, you know what I mean? At the end of the day, everybody's saying, oh no Undisputed, well I was an undisputed champion I have the BMF belt now what is it you know you cannot tell well I'm fighting number one contenders and keep fighting these number and champions what now you tell me what it is you know at the end of the day the belt is cool and I always tell everybody the boat is cool but you guys gotta understand it's what brings with the belt what what the emotions it brings and what kind of fight it brings to a card

You know like yeah that our fight a lot of people were saying could have been the main event of 300 I mean, so it's insane You know hundred percent and the crazy thing is there was two insane fights after your fight your fight was so good That two insane world title fights after happened after and still people talk about your fight And I feel so bad for the girls because that I was watching that fight in the back I have to do my media and it was such a crazy fight brother But but but I think so people was just they just had a gentleman dump because of what happened in the last way You know I lost my voice, bro. I lost my voice. I really did. I've never lost my voice ever in a UFC fight.

But when you dropped him, the first time I ever stood up, I couldn't sit down. I was standing up. I was just like, AHHHH! I saw you stand up. That was the first time I saw you. It was just, what? Dana had the greatest quote in the post-fight press conference. He said, I sell holy shit moments. When people ask me, what do I do for a living? Look at this. I couldn't even sit down. I sell holy shit moments. When people ask me, what do I do for a living? Look at this, I couldn't even sit down.

I had to get up. I had to hold on to those guys. I'm holding on to them. That's awesome. It's funny when they started putting cameras on us because we've been doing that forever. DC and I go crazy. We hug each other, we go nuts.

Yeah. When something crazy happens, it's like, what? What? I'm glad glad I'm glad they did because to see you got to see you like see fans and and Reactions to the fight is cool, but they're fans But then when you see like our peers and guys like you and on my fight and other fighters and commentators of the sport They you've been around forever So to see you do that that would like that brings a humongous ass smile to my face like holy shit I just made your

You know I say to this day, and I do it based on my reaction obviously this is personal I say it's the greatest knockout of all time the reason why I say it's the greatest knockout of all time is because Everybody thought that Justin was gonna be overpowering you he was a bigger guy He had just knocked out Dustin Poirier. You had lost the last fight to Volkanovsky. You hadn't been in title contention since then. You had a bunch of great wins, but here you're going to fight this bigger guy and all these people were writing you off.

All these people were saying that it did. And you're tuning him up and you did have to overcome getting knocked down and you did have adversity. You had to deal with that leg and then for you to stand Winning four rounds to one in the middle of the octagon and point at the ground with ten seconds left And then to knock him out with one second left the way I reacted the way I jumped up I've never done that before of all even when Leon Edwards knocked out Usman. That was another crazy one Yeah, that's for that. I would said that was the greatest knockout of all time because he was down

Yeah, he was down four rounds and John Anik just had the perfect call. He said that is not the cloth from which he is cut. And then boom! Yeah! And then boom! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah Impact all-time like complete polar shift of how people think about the BMF belt. They don't think about as a gimmick No, yeah, yeah, yeah, it was the wildest crazy fight with an undeniable Number one contender in Justin versus you it's wild how it happened. Yeah, the whole thing was wild it I mean You only as good as your last fight, right? That's that's that's what it is sport. I Like to tell everybody, you you know this is not like basketball this is not this is not like baseball or like hockey where you can just shit the bed on a Tuesday and then you come back out on a Friday and then you you're just a man of the world again you know like you shit like like this stuff happened you have a bad

fight like with Alex that fight don't get erased off until I have something great and even if you have a good fight you know I mean like I had a bad fight like with Alex, that fight don't get erased off until I have something great and even if you have a good fight, you know what I mean? Like I had a good fight with Arnold, but they still like, Alex you did that. And then I did it with Korean Zombie and then I had a knock out over Korean Zombie and then they're like, yeah, but Korean is old and blah blah blah. And then finally now with this judge, now everybody forgets, you know, like it takes us a while to make them forget about your last fight, you know? So it was just, it was amazing, bro.

You know, like to see everybody go crazy. Like in my mind, like a lot of people ask me, what's going through your mind when you're doing that? You're up four one. I'm like, brother, that was, that was in my mind the whole time. I'm like, bro, we went to 10 seconds. I was like, I remember counting the, I remember it being a minute. I remember my coach yelling a minute max, stay clean.

And then I was like, oh, hell yeah. 15 more seconds until we go to the center, we're gonna swing, and then he's like, 40 seconds, I was like, holy shit, this clock is slow, you know what I mean? I'm like, why is it taking forever? And then he's like, 30 seconds! And then he's like, okay, 20 seconds, and then he does, and he goes, he got right after the 20 seconds mark, underneath, couple seconds after, he does his rolling thunder, and then it pushed me to the point to perfectly circle out, and then that's when I said, He got right after the 20 seconds mark underneath couple seconds after he does his rolling thunder And then it pushed me to a point of perfectly circle out and and that's when I said I did the like oh come here You know, let's let's go here. Let's do it cuz that was just everybody's losing their mind, but in this to me

I just this is normal This is the second time I did it, you know, of course the second time I'm doing it I heard you guys say if the first time I was a Ricardo But this ain't no Justin Justin Gagey, you know, but you know, why not? Why not if he if he was to put if he was gonna put me out then Then so be it, you know, I live by the sword. Well, it was a wild and there's a rolling thunder Damn, that was a nice rolling thunder. Nice. It was close Now right here. Oh, this is so crazy, Max. That was crazy, yeah. It's the greatest. It has to be the greatest

knockout. It has to be. And then you flex and walking around. Come on, man. That's the greatest I got a ball time. They got the sickest picture of me, bro They had the sickest picture of me of when I'm flexing and I'm over I like I love Justin, bro I freaking love the man, but they have like that. You know like the Muhammad the Muhammad Ali picture Yeah, yeah, they got a moment of me like that, so I got a painting for you. I told you I got a brass Baines He's an amazing artist. He made an incredible painting, and it's it's on the way I had someone go back to my house go grab it sick. It's on the way

Yeah, that was a there's a wild moment man It's just complete shift of what people care about in upcoming fights like you are the fucking man now Next pay-per-view you're in holy shit that's gonna be big and if it's you and Markachev or if it's you and Ilya you and Ilya would be crazy brother brother so much whoa so much fun brother I know is that Spain is that 305 when is they're gonna be a UFC Perth is 305 right I don't think they're gonna go Spain this year I don't think they can I think so Dana White said it uh sit in the in the 300 conference after fight conference he said that we're

going with Spain he just takes the time because you got to book something and it's like gonna be like a year and out so that fight yeah yeah let's go yeah I hope Vegas or Madison Square Garden yeah or or or Vegas Legion Stadium oh sixty six thousand brother that's what it is did you use their 300 night but did you not see all the Hawaiian flags they were everywhere that's the said that that is the ninth island brother give me you can't you we can't go to you see away Give me a Legion Stadium, and let's that's that's good. Go crazy Oh my god. Oh my god. You could sell it

Allegiant Stadium for a big UFC 100% they could sell it. I mean every UFC sells out like that. They sell out so quick I'll sell tickets and a fight like that especially if they put together a banger of a card because you know they're doing the sphere which is gonna be wild Yeah, that's gonna be why we think who you think will be in the sphere. That's a good question, right? Cuz that's isn't it. It's Mexican Independence Day Yes, it's September yeah They have it set up like who Mexicans like to call me as their own so I might even be in The spirit who knows? They count you yeah for your style. Yeah. Yeah, fuck. Yeah. Yeah

What a crazy night max what a crazy night and To have that happen again like where there's two amazing fights after yours Oh, yeah, and everybody's still just talking about your yeah. I know I was I mean even with the I Remember as soon as the fight happened, you know a couple minutes after My my agent Tim Simpson came in and he told me he's like brother They just put your knockout on top of on top of Instagram on and YouTube and everything. I was like what? He's like never do that. Yeah, there's like they never do that They only did this for they only did it for sugar and I was like what this is crazy. So we saw I thought it was lying

You know and they saw it was there three different angles and I reposted it Yeah, I was like if UFC's posting this I'm posting this shit too like this is a crazy knockout of all time for the craziest angle is the one when they They they pause me and then they do a 360 view and then they play it again. I'm like that's that's insane, bro. Yeah What does it feel like when it's all over does it feel like a dream like what does it feel like when it's over? Well, I said I you know like I stood done sticking used to it. I don't even know you know I feel normal I said life stood normal, but like I'm getting brother walking down 6th Street last night to get my dinner I was gonna arrest like not a not harassed, like nicely harassed

but like people like yeah like you're getting I always get noticed but like these guys like it's uh it's out and about way more you know and so it's just amazing bro even like guys who don't even look like they watch fighting you know grandmas and grandpas at airports like hey you're you're the guy yeah I'm the guy. Well that clip got so viral too. You know that clip was so viral It was everywhere. It was tick-tock and YouTube was everywhere. Yeah, bro. We uh My so one of my other agent on our team Daniel He did like he's like a numbers guy or whatever and the Google the Google search on me was like crazy, bro I think so I think so is in like the billions

Like after after if I was insane it was something stupid. I was like, oh wow. I didn't even know you could look that up I told him yeah, that's what makes it very interesting for your next fight Because your next fight is gonna be huge It's gonna be huge like you're a fucking bonafide superstar now like your next fight's gonna be nuts Can't wait bro. Can't I don't know who it is who it was What what the UFC want to do? But um, like you said that Option brought in this game you all the options and there's so many options in your area, too Right like sugar has been talking about fighting to poria at 45 or sugar's willing to fight to poria 45 He's willing to find max of 45

Yeah Crazy there's a crazy matchups all over the place in a perfect world you actually in a perfect world You know I mean yeah in a perfect world If I could have in my way, I'd be stupid to not say to fight Connor You know I think that caught that Connor fight would be huge Whatever, but we don't know what he's gonna do so like if that's out in a perfect world to me would be Fight Elia 45 title get my hand raised and whoever is the next guy up at 55 fight them Try and go for double champ status whatever it is or even treat belts

You know like 45 the BMF and put it put the BMF in the 55 against whoever had 55 and I'd be That'd be surreal you know I think I'd be a crazy Option too if they'd really do this Connor 165 title There's an option of you being a three champ. That'd be insane. If they did the 165 be fun That'd be fun. You'd have to cut any weight. Oh, no eat sushi every day On the scale what is what is your walk around the weight like what's right now me right now? I walk around like Before I used to get to a big boy, but now I walk around like 70 75 nothing crazy. Oh, that's not too crazy

Yeah, nothing crazy. Nothing crazy. I was in there against They make us check our weight now And I was only 172 when we when we in andachie. When you were fighting at featherweight, what did you weigh in when you fought? I'd be around 65. I'd get up high 60s, maybe 68 at the highest. I know you did a lot of strength and conditioning. Your YouTube channel's great, by the way. Oh, thank you, by the way.

It's really cool how you document pretty much everything. You're showing all your training, all the different stuff. You did a lot of strength and conditioning. We did a lot of straight We did a lot of strength. So a lot of people was talking about matching Gichi strength and and and I our team didn't want to we wanted to be strong, but we still wanted to be fast We knew we was faster than Gichi So our main focus everybody thought it was strength and getting big to be strong and to of course endure his strikes You know

But the main thing that we want to focus on was speed like I knew I could I could out gun him and in the fit round when we really heard him hurt him I out gun them with speed you know I hit like I hit him with like five five hits and and the one that you don't see hurt you the most you know and the last right hand and that in that little combination early in the fit round is what hurt him the most you know made him like I stunned him a little bit so we're just working on speed rather you know like we had 12 weeks you really can't I wasn't willing to give to put strength to give up conditioning so I was like I'm gonna be speed and

condition and that's the way I fight you know I if you go look at it a lot of people is looking at stats reminds in his fight about like how much he's chosen strikes and how much I Throw in strikes how much he gets hit which was less than how much I get hit and I was like brother That cannot be right and then the stats is you know and I'm like no way in there when you look at the stats This guy had 12 fights, and I had like 20 plus fights in the UFC That's what come our stats is so close to each other because I had so much more fights than his and smut And then even that what I had a lot of time in the octagon and he just didn't cuz he would he would knock guys out You know, I mean, yeah, you have that beautiful power

So, you know at the end of day like, you know the number some of the numbers that these guys is putting out there I was like brother you guys need to do you guys homework, you know, yeah You need stop looking at the surface level like start digging into it. Yeah When you it was interesting the way you just said about strength and conditioning you you're not willing to give up conditioning for strength. Uh-huh. So So how do you approach that like when you when you made a decision to go to 55? So the poor you a fight you go to 55, but you did it on pretty short notice. Yeah. Yeah, we had we had like So the way we train is I always take two weeks off before fights so it was like six weeks and then so we actually

had four weeks to train for them and I was like I mean put the picture of poor punch me in my face there's a famous picture of poor punch in my face explain that when you said do you take two weeks off before the fight what do you mean so like like strain and conditioning so I don't do no strain conditioning like the week before the fight like maybe do you mean? So like, like strain and conditioning. So I don't do no strain and conditioning like the week before the fight. Like maybe we do like a little lift or whatever, but it's just something you maintain. Like, cause you can't get faster or stronger

two weeks before a fight or even the week, right? So even with cardio, it's not gonna, anything I do the week before the fight is not gonna help me. And anything I do the week of the fight is not gonna help me. All the hard work is done. And that's what these guys,

yeah, look how, look how fat I was. Look that top right one that top right one right there look how fat I was yeah look at yeah That's muffin top max brother So you just he zooms in wow Wow, you're an asshole So you only had four weeks And there's no way you could put on that amount of muscle in four weeks or anything You know and I was like and I didn't know I didn't have my beautiful wife at the time So you know he meals was crazy before her I eat out every night

I was terrible and I was he kissed me nice. He keeps me clean, so it is what it is You know I hate using experience excuses cuz you know Dustin I came out there and fought hard and we fought hard and I ain't taking nothing away from Dustin so whatever I did was on me and you know what if that fight, if we get a third one then that would be a pretty fun one Oh it would be amazing, that would be wild, a third fight between you guys would be wild especially if he beats Islam, if he beats Islam that's a no brainer

How much is the odds on betting on him dropping a ghillie? He's gonna try You know, I didn't know that he was referencing William Montgomery the comedian when I ain't never gonna stop over That's what he's doing. He's doing William Montgomery from kill Tony. I didn't know and I'm a friends with William Montgomery I love that dude And you're not a good friend then Joe what the hell you know I felt like a bad friend But it really what it is is like when I'm doing an interview after such a crazy fight like that You interviews are complicated. You're locked in bro. I'm trying to get this guy to express himself as much as possible

I'm trying to stay out of the way, but I'm also trying to ask questions, and I didn't pick up on it. Yeah, plus. I didn't I was like no way Yeah, you're locked in bro. You're not Tony text me because he just quote William Montgomery. I'm like no way really Is that what that was and then and then really texture you fuck you? No, they had been going back and forth he apparently Dustin told me was gonna say it yeah Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, they've been DMing each other That's awesome. Yeah, it's a man I'll never stop doing it. I'll never stop doing it. That's it. That's one of the good guys in our sport. He's a great guy. He's a great guy I love Dustin I love Dustin and I was glad for him to get that that win over Ben was and Deni is a monster monster killer. It's a monster killer, bro. Yeah, that's another fight right look

St. Anthony get staff. Yeah, so he's got staff on his forehead He's got to take antibiotics drain. Have you ever had staff? No, bro Brother I'm clean. I guess I guess Some guys are some dirty mother F was I think you know well you get stuff easy you get stuff easy now I know I know some guys Some do and once is it's in your system, you just gotta get reawakened, right? So one of our friends, he's pretty bad with it.

He's always got stuff like every other week, feels like. Oh really? Yeah, it's terrible. He gets terrible. Does he take showers? Brother, he does everything. I don't know what it is. It's just bad luck, I think.

Another thing is people mistakenly use antibacterial soap. You don't want antibacterial soap you want to keep your healthy gut floor I tell everybody I don't I know the guy owns a company I have no affiliation with it but defense soap if you're a grappler it's the shit defense soap is all natural it's like tea tree oil eucalyptus oil and he has all kinds of products everything from stuff to clean like wipes If you can't like get to a shower quick enough, if you know if you're training in a place That's kind of dingy and doesn't have a shower. They have wipes until you get home. They have soaps and ointments

That's the most crazy thing bro, right when people like I see people like we train and then we have a shower at the gym And some of them just like change their clothes and I gotta go I was like What the hell did you shower? I said? No, no, I gotta leave. I was like the hell no way, you know I live like 45 minutes some that some of them live like me 15 minutes Yeah, 15 minutes enough for a ringworm or something if I can wake up, you know, it's like brother Just jump in there get a rinse off. Yeah, I've had ringworm. I've had staff twice I've had ringworm a couple of times. It's annoying. It's annoying I ring where not the defense soap is the shit I tell everybody get on that

And it doesn't mess up because it's all natural It's like tea tree oil and eucalyptus oil and smells good, but it doesn't fuck up your skin floor I had it I knew this dude who had ringworm and so he started using antibacterial soap and he got it everywhere. Oh, it's spread over his chest and then what it does to it burns your skin. Yeah. So like so like when you use that kind of stuff with ringworm. I remember people used to like bleach them and then you'd be bleached you'd have a bleach circle. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, it's crazy. Yeah. Psycho dudes use bleach. That's a crazy move. poor bleach on an open wound

What the fuck are you? What are you doing, man? so So for this fight, how much notice did you have that you were gonna fight at 55 and that you're gonna fight Justin brother? There is an idea of maybe maybe it doesn't happen for a while, but we didn't know and then we got, we got confirmed. I think it was like 10 to 12 weeks, you know, like I don't know what it was. So it was like 10 to 12 weeks. So it was like more than enough time. This is like, yeah, we had so much time, brother.

We was planning. I got the train. I got the lift. I was already, we was training a lot. My last fight was in August. So I was in, I was in the gym training, getting ready. Brother, after the Vogue and Islam II fight, I was like, there is no way they're letting this guy turn around.

So I really thought they was gonna try and ask me to go fight Ilya in January or something. I went to Toronto, I fought in Toronto twice, I won an interim, I defended the belt there. I have a following in Toronto, I call it the 10th Island You know, I like to call it. I love the Canadians, but they're literally the best so I was thinking like man they would they we're gonna get caught, you know, like there's there's no way that he's gonna fight and then He did if he did this moved it from January to February they put the other card whatever did they switch it around?

So we was I was already training and then Yeah, I couldn't tell you when but I knew we had at least 12 weeks at least 12 weeks When did you know that it was gonna be 55 and when did you know it was gonna be for the BMF belt? 12 12 weeks so weeks had you already had a plan to put weight on do you already had a plan like strength and conditioning plan and for sure I said as soon as we as soon as the talks of maybe we might even fight Gachey at all Was like we just got it with our plan was what I say was like we got to put on size to endure damage But then let's not lose this speed does my my my my head coach Darren yeah, but tactical straight the best training conditioning in all of Hawaii

And if somebody got a problem, then they can meet me somewhere, anywhere. But all jokes aside, he's the man, bro. And he's the one that was like, yeah, look, I know you want to get strong, Max. He's the one that came up with it. He's like, I know you want to get stronger, but we still need your speed, bro. We still need your speed. And we got to outwork this guy. He always weaponized my cardio

It was like brother whoever we fight you're gonna outwork him So let's just get your speed up stay fast get a little bit bigger without being too much to get to it To what he he didn't he was the main one. He's like, I don't want to give up strength I don't want to give up conditioning for strength brother like because the idea is the more Yeah, you have the more endurance it's gonna require Yeah, and especially like even it with everybody like I train with bigger guys you know here and there and I never ever once felt like holy shit this guy's so much stronger than me like I never ever once felt that way you know you hear these talks of

some people saying oh this guy's really strong so I try to go with him I was like yeah he's all right you know it's not like oh my god he's gonna be strong, I was like, ah, he's all right, you know, it's not like, oh my God, he's going to be strong. So I felt like I know how to fight to my strengths, I guess. Like, yeah, he might be physically stronger than me, but I know certain techniques or certain ways to put my body that I can get away with how strong I am and not make him feel as strong as he is, you know? And that's what it is, you know, I keep telling a lot of these, a lot of these MMA guys are just people coming up, or even my amateur fighters that's coming up, I just keep telling them, like, brother, there's

no difference between me and you. The only difference is my experience, you know? Even with UFC fighters, you know, like the only difference between top 15 and top 10 is experience and their mindset, you know? Top 10 to 5, experience experience mindset 5 to championship same thing And then the champion and maybe like the top three guys after that is like it's just a mind It's a mind thing brother shit is easy most of these things that is hard It's cuz you make it hard a lot of guys make it hard for themselves

I'm like what are you doing you beating yourself up for what this is fucking practice get better Yeah, I mean That's all you gotta do stop stop beating yourself up and um, but you have a great mentality for that You're able to like go past loss as easily is what it is and you keep moving and you're on the path But for some people it's tough losses are devastating because their whole identity is based on success Yeah, and if they don't get success, then they feel like they're a loser But even with that the whole identity thing that's what it is I give you one like you see guys with retiring from other sports or our sport like they have

That identity crisis because they're so known for one thing and that's gonna tell him like that's what I love doing other stuff Like people bro. Oh my god. I stream. I stream on kick now. I stream on kick.com and Brother I'm doing the whole fight. I'm streaming. They're like, yep. Thank you for this max I'm putting my house on gaechi now. She's training while you're playing fucking video games. I'm streaming they're like, yup. Thank you for this, Max. I'm putting my house on Gachie now. She's training while you're playing fucking video games. I'm like, what the fuck? I'm like, bro, I need to be training for 24 hours a day?

Like a fucking cyborg or something? What the hell? They're like, yup, yup, yup, you, yup. Look at you over here. I freaking, I do slots in there. You know, I gamble, like we play fun. They're like, yup, look at you doing this shit, losing money, you're gonna lose your fight too? I'm like, what the fuck? Like bro, you can't catch like we play funny. They yep look at you doing this shit losing money. You're gonna lose your fight, too

I'm like Can't get a break. Those are just losers Unfortunately, I don't mean anything bad to you guys out there, but if you're commenting to a guy like that you're a loser There's no way you're a winner. It's not possible It's not possible that you're excelling at whatever you do no one comes to you like that's Mike. He's the best No, no, no, no, you're commenting like that on people. You're just you're a loser, and that's unfortunate I've been a loser in my life. You know it's it's a it's common. Yeah, it's common, but you're a loser Don't think that way the idea that a guy can't play some video games and unwind wise in the middle of camp

You're out of your fucking mind. You don't understand. Yeah, brother. So what you're talking about I said like I like talking to mighty cuz mighty me and mighty did an interview might he's the best Yeah, he's a man and he was just telling me like it's so funny cuz every time I tell everybody like fighting is easy Like a lot of people look at me crazy. They're like what you mean? He's as like bro Anything you do in life is easy, it's just that you make it hard. A lot of assholes make it hard for themselves.

It's actually pretty easy, you know? If you look at the steps, these are the steps, yeah, you might fall down in the sense of actually getting it done, it's going to be hard work. But it's easy, because you know what you got to do, right? I told Mighty when I told him about fighting, Mighty was the first guy ever that said, bro, that's what I tell everybody. I told money about fighting mighty was the first guy ever that said like bro That's what I tell everybody I tell fighting is easy I was like, holy shit if the MMA goat is telling you fighting is easy stop harassing me go harass him

You know, I mean go tell him he said it. I think it's easy for you I think it's easy for mighty because you guys are real champions You have this champion mindset and that's what people need to learn they need to learn a mindset for improvement a Mindset for getting better at things and a mindset for staying positive 100% That's what it's it That's really what it's about. You can apply that to anything in life. So a guy like you that's a champion in MMA You could do anything man All you need is just like whatever that thing is focus on that thing And if you put the same kind of attention on that thing that you put on your MMA career

Oh, yeah, as I told I tell everybody I told uh It's so funny whenever me and my wife she was always like you so lucky. I wasn't a surfer I would have been a world champion surfer I'm bad at surfing okay. I'm bad, but you're but you're lucky that I don't put my effort into it because I want to be badass Yeah, I'm sure and that's a fact. How did you get so good at that jump spinning back kick brother? Just practice bro. I did anybody show you do you remember do you remember me telling you it was here? It's a vile clip of will be learning strikes in the game. I was one of the strikes Yeah, that's one of the strikes brother. I saw the strikes in the game as one of the strikes. Yeah. That's one of the strikes, brother. I saw the strikes in the game.

I was like, Henning Baral, Henning Baral threw it. He threw it nice. I was like, with Dustin Kimura, I told him, brother, we need to do the spinning back kick shit. It's just so good, and it's a secret weapon. And the thing is funny, because in the game, I was throwing it close. A lot of people throw it from distance,

but I threw it real close, almost in clinch. That's why I asked. Yeah, and I told him like, bro, this is gonna be a secret weapon. I remember Dustin Kimura, he was in the UFC for a little bit, and I was trying to make him practice it with me. I remember him saying one time like, fuck this kick, this kick is stupid as hell. And then we kept practicing, kept practicing. Another guy, a big guy came down, trained us and he dropped him when his spin back kicked and from the clinch right? And I was like, well I told you brother, I told you this fucking kick is a secret weapon. How were you practicing it close up?

What's the drill? He would just stand close. I was like bro, I would get my timing from it being a distance first and then we'd be like live it closer and be like bro, all we gotta focus on is bringing our knee up and and pushing it out at the last second and the main thing was just bringing your knee up and snapping your head around snap your head around first see where you land so you don't kick each other in the freaking groin area because it happened a couple times yes to me and him so but yeah it was like bringing knee up high look and it's and

then push it did you ever practice we stand right next to the bag? Yeah? Try just jumps back jump back and I create my distance from jump me jumping away from the bag and it's that yes exactly if you Can develop that that is a secret weapon because it's one of those techniques It's like you remember when the calf kick came along everybody's got to throw a cow Yeah, if you could develop that yeah, your it Yeah, here does it really well, but this was a giant moment in the beginning of the fight Look how close you are look how close you are to be able to get that off from there and to hit him in the nose His nose was gone. Yeah I mean you shattered his nose at the very end of the first round and from from then on

What a fucking fight man, I watched that fight at least ten times no bullshit at least awesome I watched it over and over again in the gym. I would like to tell you if I did it What and dude I always pause I always pause no matter what I'm doing if I'm at the gym I pause for that last ten seconds. Just like this like how is this real how is this real you got that jump spinning back kick down dude you got it down in the most unusual way which is this hop back and then throw it you know Raymond Daniels does that really good even you like back in the day what was a video game and then I started looking at swing back kicks I there's a clip of you hitting a fucking

kill in the bag bro Yeah, I was like Fight Kill you it's being back. There's only one clip of me in a taekwondo fight It's me knocking a dude out with a spinning back. Holy shit. I'm flying It was but it's the same exact move the guys moving forward and I just jump and spin at the same time It was the same move because I was like in the air when I landed it. That's crazy That was my favorite thing to do so when I see a guy like you doing it from up close and I know you learned how to fucking strike from video games which is so quick when you told me that the first time I was

like what I thought oh we went to like a traditional karate school and then he started studying Muay Thai when he was 10 no no no no no I saw cool stuff happening in the game was like oh bro we could put this together in real life. And that, bro, Dustin, we never have striking coach, you know, I didn't have Ivan yet. And then after the corner fight is when Ivan, Ivan Flores joined my camp. So and then with him, with Ivan, bro, Ivan is a genius. Like he's like real, like he really, he like, he loves the basic stuff. But then when I try to tell him or show him fancy stuff or I see Muay Thai doing shit, like sweep the leg and like elbow and stuff or whatever. It's like, it's crazy, you know, like even even this fight week, bro, like if you watch the fight a bunch of times

I'm doing this right kick. I do this right kick and then I just step over on my right hand against Gachie. Yes. I just saw we saw that like we practiced that I threw that a bunch of times in other fights but then like two weeks before the fight I he sent me a clip on Instagram Oh look at this watch this and was I forget who it was but the guy the moment that guy was right kicking He set up with a right low kick next one right low kick right overhand like hurt and kills guys He's like downing guys with it. And I was like, holy shit We know we know Justin likes to like stay there after kicks to throw

So I was like brother This is gonna work on Justin. So we just kind of added in our game I told him bro, I think I'm gonna throw this in the fight. He's like, yeah, let's practice it, you know So I've even floors is the man bro. He's man. You have an amazing camp Yeah, all my coaches the man really do have an amazing amazing group of people but you also it's the argument that a lot of guys have been making that a smaller camp is Maybe better for some athletes because there's a lot of guys who want to go to like ATT But you know the guy like I talked to Jim Miller about this and he said that he really started improving

Much more when he concentrated on himself and had a smaller camp and he stopped teaching Yeah, and at the end of the day these big camps you know like even even in Vegas bro like I hear everybody going to Vegas and training training and and like bro like one of the guys out there was telling me it's like the Wild Wild West so like how do you get better every day you're going to train and just knowing I might fight this guy. Exactly. You know what I mean I might I might have to fight this guy you know like I have I have guys my weight some some guys my weight in my in my class and and I told him brother like Like I would tell him like if we ever got to the point where we both in the UFC

We're fighting for freaking a lot of money like you better sign that damn contract We don't kill each other here, but you my brother, you know We don't kill each other and stuff for free You'd be stupid as hell to not take a fight against me in the UFC or whatever But that's different from going to a big gym and like yeah And and actually being worried like I'm not worried, you know If we fight we fight but like some of these guys you go in there and fighting your your life It's like a fight every day of the week and that shit is gonna fucking like a mentally brother That is gonna beat you down every day going like oh my god. I'm fighting for my life here. Oh my god

like you might bro, I feel I feel Fight like everybody can take a head and not call me a liar and whatever but bro in the fight I'm nervous as hell. In the back, bro with the Justin fight, this last one I was telling people, I was like what the fuck am I doing here? Why am I fighting Justin? What the hell are you doing Max? Bro I'm not even lying, I'm in the back thinking like fucking shit, like what are we doing? You told me this is the last time, what the hell? It's like now you're on USC 300, you're fucking a million people gonna buy this pay-per-view, what the hell are you doing?

And then as soon as the lights come on, I start hearing my song, that's when it changes, you know, and then it's like, it's go time, it's like, nah Max, you can't be fucking working at McDonald's making this much money, let's go get this paper, you know what I mean? You gotta own McDonald's if you're making this much money, brother, you don't own shit, so let's go get this paper you know you got to own McDonald's if you're making this much money brother you don't own shit so let's go get it. Bro you can own multiple McDonald's with your next one. Yeah so that was it you know so you gotta switch uh flip the switch and then I know a lot of my coaches they didn't know my walkout song was funny cuz they was like is he gonna do it cuz they was waiting for me to walk out to an Israel song right come out can be all this is

he gonna do it is gonna do it and then we walked up to Hawaiian Hawaiian Superman Maui Hawaiian Superman, so I loved it But I think it was perfect. They made the you was out there in the crowd I don't know if you could see I oh yeah on your screen. They made it look like the ocean, bro They made they made me look like it was the ocean and that the way we had to turn in our song so early, bro So like usually I can turn in my song like the week of the fight or the week before the fight walkout song, but Heidi hit us up like eight, six weeks out. It was like, Hey, we need you guys walk out song now cause we're trying to do something.

And then that was what they did. They, the lights that was on the chairs that all the guys had, they made it, they made it go to the song. Like they made mine look like the ocean. So it was like wavy, but then Justin's one was sick. Cause like every time the beat hit the lights on the stuff went up and like whatever, I was like wavy but then Justin's one was sick cuz like every time the beat hit The lights on the stuff went up and like whatever I was like, whoa, that's cool. So what was Justin's walkout song? I I forget but it was a really good song, but I liked it. It's a really good song It has some banger walkout songs man, but politan when that motherfucker walks out

He's the scariest motherfucker when he walks out cuz he stands there he walks out like this Hey, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah, the kid so he was at the press conference, bro And the whole fucking press conference I've seen him and he's trying to one two three The whole time he got busted from a from a security guard to sit down But the whole time that I watched him he was throwing it. I was like, but I get it that kid is crazy Have you said mighty Mouse to everybody? No, no, no mighty Mouse. There's a video I called him on I said, why didn't you make mine? She's like, oh, I got you. I got you the next one Yeah, he could do everybody. Yeah, he's good, but he's he mimics everyone's style. He does Khabib. He does Connor He does so who know he does everybody he's a beast. Mighty Mouse is the goat

When I say when I say the best martial artists I've ever seen in terms of like the expression of martial arts He's my favorite If you don't have him if you don't have him on top your your your MMA rush mom or whatever Yeah, not rush my Moria I think of my son when I said rush mom rush more But if you don't have him on it, you're just a hater Yeah, you have to be a hater everybody everybody keep, everybody keeps talking about like, even that, like everybody keeps talking about like, oh he's only 125. No, no, no, no.

I was like, I got the walkouts, here's Justin. Okay, wait. What? See, see, it blinks. I don't understand those names. What is that? I had this thing going too. Oh, so here's Mighty, show Mighty Mouse one because that was that's incredible

So here's Mighty Mouse pretending to be so hoodo So they switch about Shricklin It looks exactly like him. Oh, it's crazy the greater that is good oh my god it's amazing mighty bastard he does addisonia to yeah oh look at this wow you hear Yuri pro-hoc is talking about going down to 85 easy yeah he apparently didn't cut any weight for that fight Yeah, yeah, yeah, me name is managed by the same guy, and that's what I heard too. He's a wild boy Oh, oh, did you not see that? He was outside of us. He 200. Yeah at 4 o'clock in the morning

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I started to you know T-mobile. Yeah, and the fans are looking scared as hell He's so cool, bro. He's so cool bro. He's so cool. Bro did you not see he just freaking wanted, you know, he's the other one that wanted to do on the bonus right and then the first post, I'm back home. I'm in my hut. How we doing guys? Like he lives bro, he actually lives

in that hut in the forest. Does he really? Yeah. Bro he works out punching trees. Dudes out there throwing front kicks at trees and shit I get the guy the guy is unreal bow the guy's unreal bow animal He's in there cuz rackets was putting it on it man, and he was just melting rackets But they some big dudes are like oh fight week When I when I went to the PI

Racket was me racket and heel and these month bro these big guys I'm like holy shit. It's some big Big dudes. Yeah, they're huge in yuri at 185 would be terrifying. He's got such a crazy style, man I mean, there's no one that fights like that guy like if you saw his silhouette you would be able to tell instantly That's pro-haska. Yeah. Yeah, but he does have hands down chin forward, you know, the fucking crazy hair Yeah, he's not right bun right he's He he just a Sam brought at samurai spirit, but it's not a facade No, he really a lot of guys think so yeah, no he's like

And he's a real bro. He's a real nice guy like you ever talk story to him. Yeah, I've talked to him No, he's so nice. He's very nice. He's very quiet. Mm-hmm like he's a his tone is very yeah I'm good, but yeah, like like he's almost like he's like the guy that you call to go kill somebody for you He hit man, you know, he's like I need hitman. Okay, brother Yeah, exactly Exactly. So that fight was a wild fight, too It's like there's so many fights that got lost the the fight your fight Especially that knockout was so crazy that people forgot that you fucked Justin up the first part of the fifth round

Like I kind of forgot about it until I watched it again. I was like, oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I'm almost out Oh, yeah, I'm assured him. Yeah, I'm sure I'm almost heard him. But you know, oh you heard even even even even when I Call my dad, you know and You're gonna love this one But then I went like this and then when I was when I was flirting on me everybody in every round every time I heard him I'd come in I'll do a little bit and if it didn't put him down or hurt him more I just backed off cuz everybody's like why is he not attacking? Why is he not attacking? I'm like brother Every time I heard him. He had the craziest look in his eyes, brother

And one time he said let's get it on so I was okay you know I was like nah I'm okay brother I'm here I'm gonna keep picking you you know he did he did well just say he did have the craziest look in his eyes brother it was it was crazy like I would hurt I was like why are you even standing bro you know like and then I just think yeah you're right you're Justin Gitchie yeah you're a freaking highlight you know so he said the wildest shit before the fight is that I don't make plans after my fights Yeah, plan on being here. Yeah when I saw that I was like what the fuck is this guy human?

Yeah, I mean, how the hell did he get led into Wakanda? It's not very Wakanda mindset, you know Oh, there's one thing that has come up that I think we probably should talk about and it's the Paheta Jamal Hill knockout Uh-huh, and it is it's an interesting thing that was brought up And I didn't think anything of it at the time and then I watched it again. I was like hmm there's kind of a point there and the point is Jamal accidentally hits him low he like kicks him in the hip and Jamal accidentally hits him low, he kicks him in the hip, and Herb Dean comes in to stop it, and then Paheda does the super gangster thing. But in the meantime, Jamal has stopped and relaxed after he threw the kick, he gives him a thumbs up, like, you cool? And then Paheda does it, and then Paheda advances it advances and then herb is to the left Yeah, so it's like you can't even move too much to the left and all of a sudden he's on him and he hits him with

That left and I think Jamal saying I would have never let him that close to me Yeah If it wasn't for that nut shot and I didn't know exactly what was going on so Herbert stopped it Herb is out of his field of vision herb is over here over here. So when Herb's doing this, I don't know what he said I don't know for it's just see we can watch it cuz he's did he stood I think so I think so I know what you're saying cuz even there like he stands there and like kind of like like half half like touch gloves with him right and then like and and Alex is like using a touch glove to

Step in see it and then Alex chose the left Alex steps on his foot. Yeah, yeah steps on his friend That's the old that's old boxing. Oh boxing shit Yeah, so he steps on his front foot and then hits him with that left hook from hell His left hook is a crazy weapon man, but that thing don't even look hard. It's crazy Tell me not it just looks like and then when did you not see the joke that it sent down his body? Yeah, he's he Yeah He almost did a Was he the one that knocked out Johnny Walker? Yeah. Yeah He almost did the Johnny Walker like his body like kind of extended. It was kind of crazy

I was crazy Wow and is a glancing blow glancing brother and it was like a was even a hook was like a uppercut Yeah, like a shovel hook Like a Mexican hook the way he lands it man It's like you don't give a shit bro the fight that he got before he fought in the UFC Did you ever see that one? No is the most vicious left hook knockout of all time? No, he hits a dude with a high kick the guy blocks it he steps the guy steps whack He just cleanly his you know, he's got that long frame He's so long and there's all this torque

and he just torques his whole body and whips across. It sounds like a baseball bat hitting a watermelon. Just whop and the dude just drops face plants. How are people just have that kind of power, right? His power is crazy. He punched the machine. The machine I saw. 191.

How much did you spin back kick? Did you kick the right? I never kicked it with spinning back. He punched that the machine 191 Did you never take to a spinning back you kill with a roundhouse kick I got to 152 That's crazy, but the difference between that and 190 with one Here it is. Yeah Eclipse now, let's back it up again because let's make the argument. Let's see what happens So go all the way to the nut shot. So here's the nut shot So now I watch watch Jamal Jamal stops watch his legs Legs lock up. He's relaxed. He gives a thumbs up. We cool we cool and He touches herb. So now they're back at it. So look at his stance. He's ready to yeah

I hate a paeda has never relaxed. So this time has gone on with this is a little we're doing it in slow motion Right. Let's do it in real speed So here we see this So You know the fight had restarted the fight every star But would that have would that position have taken place if it wasn't for Jamal relaxing? Yeah, you know giving him the thumbs up So you know like not his fight so my fight the number one thing

When I was going with Justin was just be on all the time right like just fucking max that I was just in the back I'm myself mentally physically you need to be here every fucking second right every millisecond brother Which is a crazy thing cuz you won once one millisecond off Lights can turn off max you need to be on so that's the main thing now I'll sign myself the whole fight you know like with that like if I was in a situation I'll go fuck what the I would have fucking I would have told her being the motherfucker Are we going like I would have been like come on like I would have been ready You know like it's protect yourself at all times. You know there is a weird You know like it's protect yourself at all times. You know there is a weird

Millisecond where no one knows what's going on. Yeah, and when Paheta is still moving But better but better isn't look at Paheta. He's the millisecond He's still like he's gonna burn area so watch it again watch it again so the low kick and then as Jamal stop it go all the way from the beginning watch this so when Jamal lands the kick He touches up, and then he, look at the distance he closes. See how close he is? Right there, right there. He closed the distance, but back it up again.

So you see the distance that Jamal's maintaining initially. Then he throws the kick, now watch this, they pause, Jamal thumbs up, but Pahedas close the gap now. Right there, look how close he is. He's closed the gap a lot more than he Jamal probably would have let him now It's a mistake by Jamal protect yourself at all times. Yeah, but also it does seem like there's a moment of confusion There is there is because he does close that distance. He does Significantly, it's like a double step watch it from here to there. He hops in there. Yeah, look right there hop hop

Yeah, and you're in the danger zone yeah that's fucking Kenny Rogers or Kenny Loggins highway to the danger zone oh yeah and so once he does that that little hop in he takes advantage of that moment to close the gap the left hook is so clean bro look at this so he doesn't stop when herb stops him he closes that when he puts her to walk he closes He goes that this is and then to total yeah, yeah, oh doing that the watch it watch it this yeah So he touches it you hop close the distance while Jamal's legs are straight Yeah, so Jamal gives him the thumbs up and Paheta had a double hop

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and and and Jamal didn't know. Yeah, this is a real moment. Now, I'm not making any excuses for Jamal, and Jamal can take a loss as good as anybody, and after the Paul Craig fight, he's like, I fucked up, he got me, this is it, but he's got a point here. It's not a perfect point, because they had engaged again, but Paheda had closed that gap to a point where Jamal was not letting him do that early. perfect point because they had engaged again. Yeah, I know what you mean. But, Pejeda had closed that gap to a point where Jamal was not letting him do that early. But then again, playing devil advocate, nothing but love for Jamal, but fuck bro, you need

to be locked in there. You need to be locked in. Who the fuck cares? You're fighting another dangerous man, the man across you that you know each other. You guys land one good shot You guys both can put each other away. It's like I Don't know bro because at the end of day. It's a mistake on his part I just have to be ready with her like it sucks. You know like

How much times do we hear? or a Freaking judge or even a ref screwing up the fight, you know what I mean? So it's like you need to like Anybody fighters amateur level pro level the best fighters in the world, whatever it is Don't don't don't put it in these guys hands, man I mean, it's easier said than done, but don't leave it, you know, like it's just Be aware, you know, like you do have a third man in there They are supposed to be looking out for you

But how much time do we see what sometimes it that's this not the case or it's just too early You know so at the end of the day Fuck it sucks, but what you gonna do there? You know I mean like all we're gonna do is we're gonna have this kind of talks and arguments And he's gonna have arguments and stuff and nothing's gonna get changed But here's the question like what is protocol? When a referee steps in and says stop because there's a low. Even when him tell them stop, the protocol should have been like okay.

Separate. Okay, whatever, go back to the middle, like you push them against the cage, whatever, we saw you hop. Okay, you want me to stop? Back up a little bit, let me go. He needs to go in the middle of them and be like okay fight. You can't be like get stopped and then you moved off to the side okay fight fight to here because if if what's his name Jamal couldn't see him I can understand like in his peripherals like he's just focused you know and then and then maybe stuff stays fighting I'm just focused on you like okay. What's going on? You know right there's there's definitely an argument that if you're going to do that and you're going to stop a fight

momentarily even if you're gonna restart it you have to understand that the momentum is stopped things have changed and if one guy does this and hops in during that time you kind of have to step and separate them and then engage so he does the engage he goes off to the side but now the argument against that that I've heard is that this happens all the times where fighters get kicked and the referee says Hold on the fighters says I'm fine, and then they let him keep going so maybe That's a good argument too that Jamal should have been more prepared

But it seems like he had actually told them to stop and that's when Jamal Excuse me Alex do this so is that He had actually told them to stop and that's when Jamal did this. Alex, yeah, yeah. Excuse me, Alex did this. So is that up to the fighter? What are the rules? Yeah, what are the rules? Like when the referee says stop, are the fighters allowed to say no, I'm fine? Or are they supposed to address the referee and say I'm fine? He said time.

Yeah, he says time and he puts his hand up and now where's Herb Dean? Herb Dean moves away. Jamal does not have eyes on him. Yeah yeah he's looking at him all the time because he's not trying to get cracked. Jamal does it but Alex is much closer to him now. Yeah he's much closer and nobody but look at the angle that he takes too like Alex is he's cutting off the cage there. Yeah he's cutting off the of right here you pushing him to his right to cut off the cage, and herb is right Yeah, Jamal's. Yeah, look at that. That was Yeah, it's beautiful beautiful. That's crazy. He's a monster. Yeah, that guy's a monster I was telling everybody about that guy when he was in glory. I remember when they were saying he was coming over to the UFC

I was like I told DC I go dude Get ready for this motherfucker. Yeah, this motherfucker puts people into orbit brother. He's got crazy power brother The wormholes bro Universe in different universes you wake up on the other side. I think he might have Actually, you know, so we're talking about condo. He might be like a doctor strange guy He might have the ring on brother look underneath his glove or something That's what's happening. Well what he is is a real Amazon warrior like that's his jeanine his jean Yeah, you see him bro. You see him go back to village. Yeah, we'll all paint it up and stuff like a leopard Bro guys a G bro. He's a real deal. He's a real deal

He's a man how the fuck was he ever making 185 is the big question and how much do you think that? Compromise his chin when he went a lot bro. So the thing you know you know what is crazy You know here's the water. Yeah, okay. It's what bro. That's just terrifying Look at his eyes, man And everybody just love and he told Jamal when I make my walk in then you'll think about all these things you said. Yeah he did. Ha!

And the whole audience yells out ha with him. Look at Jamal though. He caught the, did you see it in the other angle? He caught the arrow, he broke it. Yeah. That was cool. Jamal was telling me, when I talked to him about it, he said, he feels like he was winning that fight. He said he was implementing his strategy,

he landed that one good right hook in the first round, and he felt like he was on his way. He felt like he was doing everything he wanted to do, not letting that dude get close, but that thing fucked him up. Yeah, I mean that there's a real There's a real sport there. That's a sport. That's a sport right like you know this funny brother You know like you know nothing to Jamal whatever

but what is crazy is that when I read when I read I see comments, I see people talking about our fight and Like guys like bringing up like oh, yeah, just imagine imagine if Justin didn't break his nose It would have been a whole different frown make well. Thank the Lord. I land my spitting back here cuz it's broken Yeah, yeah, oh or just imagine if I broke my ankle walking into the freaking octagon, there's so much stuff I'm like what are you like people are so crazy? I'm like my god like this enjoy why can't you guys enjoy it? Why can't you guys let have other people have stuff you know like I can't we have nice stuff This is why we can't have good things again. It's just losers. You know you think Michael Jordan's leaving YouTube comments No, it's not it's winners don't have time for that shit, but that's also part of the game

Yeah, you have to deal with those people, but that is part of the game. You're gonna have to deal with those people. It is, it is, it is, it is, it is. How anybody can say, imagine if you didn't land something that you landed, that you planned for, that you executed, that's very hard to pull off. Yeah, yeah, yeah. A spinning back kick where you're literally right in front of each other like that, and you landed to his face. Yeah, bro, we knew he was on the duck. We were looking for the time, you know?

Yeah, it was perfect. It was perfect. And it was such a great moment on that night night because that night was magical Bro, you have seen three I got my head is still not wrapped around it You know like how you said how do I feel I don't know how I feel yet because it's did not right like right to have that to To to to be one of the guys to it started from all the way outside of fight brother Somebody asked me to get the belt wrapped around Mark Coleman. Like when they asked me who I think, and then I said Mark Coleman, you know?

I'm like, bro, he's the guy. He got his house with his fires and stuff just happened. So I was like, he's the man. And then to it being UFC 300, to us getting asked, oh, what about the, how much should the freaking bonuses be? And I'm freaking screaming, 300k, 300k, 300k. And Dustin, I mean Dustin, and freaking Dana to be like, 300k. I was like, holy shit.

And to win both the bonuses is, bro. It was just crazy. And then to have the, like you said, bro, that's a movie finish, bro. To hit him with an overhand, to hit, it was like a David versus Goliath kind of story, going against him, you know, and then to hit him with that overhand is like me hitting, hitting him with the slingshot, you know, so, and the rock at the perfect place, perfect time,

the perfect, bro, this is UFC 300, nobody's event getting put together, this is not gonna top nothing to 400, and we don't even know if 400 is gonna top it, you know what I mean, 400 and we don't even know if 400 is gonna top it You know I mean like right we don't know we don't know but it's gonna be almost impossible to top that Like every card after that you look at the car. You're like, yeah, it's okay. Yeah It's crazy and then a lot of people then brah they know it is that he's the ultimate troll, bro I love I love they know like them when they show people when they do you saw the video?

He's the ultimate troll bro. I love I love they know like them when they troll people and they you saw the video You know how much people on top of that video to also did videos of me talking about how I was like Undergun and pillow pillow all the way pillow hands all the way is gonna get killed and I am gonna be the first Tony 2.0 whatever I was like brother you guys just watch and I That all their tones change and now they're making money off of me I should go write them all money and be like everybody only 10% of YouTube There's all these people that have these takes where they know what's gonna happen it's such a stupid thing to do you don't know What's gonna happen you could talk about someone's opinion? Yeah, you can talk about you can have an opinion But when people I see stuff that I'm like, well,. That's crazy. It's just dumb It's just dumb you know you should talk about someone's skills and what they can do and this could be a factor and that could

Be a factor, but to say this is going to happen that is folly. That's a stupid way to look at things There's not a chance in hell that you know when two world-class martial arts fight. There's no chance. There's no chance you know I saw a lot of people doing that with the The fight this past weekend with With Devin Haney Everybody was counting out Ryan Garcia so many people did you see better myself 2 million bucks Can we do that on ourselves? What did he win? How much did he 12 million? Okay, can we do that ourselves? What did he win? How much did he 12 million?

It's a bet 2 million to win to win 12 million and he paid what and he paid? 2.1 million dollars in in fees so you want 10 million so you may be 1.5 in fees I see pounds like he paid 1.5 to to to David to Haney cuz he said 500 every week right every time and he had to pay on there and the extra 600 or 500 to the Commission Wow So so that's what so it's like two point one million dollars. Yeah, bro, and he's like any better. I don't give a shit Boy do that left hook he has a thing of this ass, bro. It's so fast. Oh so fast It's so fast Brian it and it's so fast and it hits so hard cuz they even did you see the way? He ain't he like or not even not only Haney, but every time he lands on anybody. They're like yeah, they're like they go Yeah, they're getting like shocked. It comes at you so much faster than other punches

It reminds me a lot of Roy Jones in his prime Yeah, like Roy Jones jr. Is prime barely through jabs Which is so crazy that a guy would be so fast that he could hit you with a leaping left Yeah, cuz he jab was a leaping left hook You ever seen his biceps the difference? Yeah, his left biceps twice the size of his right bicep It's nuts. He might have been he might have been an arm wrestler then Roy Jones had the craziest style of all time when he was in his prime that dude was untouchable Every fight was execution. Oh crazy body head bangers. He is a he was so fat He was the only guy in CompuBox history that didn't get a single punch landed on him in a round for real

Yeah, oh, he fought Vinny pazienza didn't get a single punch Oh, look in there's all that it just put it on him and then he tried to stop the fight himself He looked at the referee. He's like stop this fight and the referee's like keep fighting. He's like alright. It goes like that He does like that. He just he tunes him up and chaos and bro. What a beast Oh, what a beast but at that left hook is a weapon if you got a left hook like Ryan Garcia like my god that things fast Ryan at freaking Pereira My god that things fast Ryan at freaking Pereira But how smart is Javante for making him go to 135 and then making giving him a weight clause? I don't you can't rehydrate more than 10 pounds who is behind him who's behind him brother the money may whether that guy is smart

Yeah, that guy is a businessman. These guys are businessmen That Floyd did the Canelo yeah same exact thing and was more You know is more funny can now load them can't know them played into his game I said no, you know what we'll come down to this weight. He didn't act He was saying he was gonna give them the extra five but then what a weight class and they said oh you what you want? To come here you can come here and a weight clause for all those guys. He's bro He's a businessman and you got it. You got to respect it. Yes You have to and for Gervonta that was perfect because I would love to see Ryan Garcia the one that we saw fully hydrated against Devin Haney

Against your body. No problem. He's gonna be a problem for everybody. He's gonna be a problem speed is bananas Yeah, you're liam's shadow box like throw. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Is this sped up? Oh, are you so fast? Yeah It's it's not fair. He might have one of the fastest left hooks I've ever seen for sure I mean it's it's right up there with everybody that all the great left hookers of the past Yeah, the crazy thing is like bro. He don't even bring it out He just goes from right here right there whip like a wow I think it just kills guys He has so much power for short short distance. Just nothing just turns it over And he can hit you with multiple ones in a row

Hey, he just keep trying my folks You don't even believe in jobs and the funny thing was the troll job like he was on Bro when he talked about I saw I just saw the interview the other night. He did David yeah when he did he's a guy you know that one interview I was like Doing all that stuff people thought I was crazy. I don't give a shit. I was like whoa. I like wow I was like what this guy's brother. He should be an actor. Yeah, he he really had a smart strategy act like he was crazy Actually, he's crazy comes coming three pounds heavy and just bro. He he sold it all the way to yeah getting into that I bet him coming in three pounds heavy made the line move for more towards Haney oh I'm sure this guy's not training yeah he

didn't prepare he's crazy he's mentally unstable yeah yeah jokes on you but he laughs straight to the bed there was some bad refereeing in that fight too because yes to knock down drops and it was crazy real bad real bad those were two legitimate knockdowns in a round where he already knocked him down once so he knocked him down three times in that fight The word in that round. Yeah, wouldn't have been like a tiki already. I don't know if they had a three knockdown rule It wasn't for the title right because Devin gets to keep the title so I think so it was yeah Even if he win I think so he said yeah, he would have had that I mean whatever I fucked the title the title like that's crazy. Yeah, that title's crazy. Yeah after did you bro? You know is more crazy

There's a post of him being like yeah, I still got the title. I'm like wow yeah, it's kind of crazy the thing Yeah, I was just trying to come up with some sort. I mean he got humiliated Yeah, we got a box, but then did this fight the bra this fight game is wild, bro. It's a while game It's the shit. It's the most craziest game ever This game you'd be on top of the world one day. Yeah, we'll fight like that. You're just no one even caring anymore Yep, yeah, it's crazy. Yeah, you could be Ben Askren You know boom one shot and then that's what everybody remembers amazing career dominates in Bellator One shot and then and then that's what everybody remembers

Bellator Dominated in one FC comes over to America beats Robbie Lawler in a weird one remember that Slammed him no he had him in a headlock. Oh, yeah, he wasn't out. Robbie was defending and they thought I don't know who made that call It I forget who was the referee, but they thought he was out and he wasn't out Yeah, Robbie's like what the fuck I wasn't out and they called the fight and then Street Jesus hits him with some fucking nuclear lightning brother The sprint oh my god, and it turned the angle like he cuts angles Yeah, so that then like his instincts kick in yeah like shoot for the takedown runs right at him

And it just goes right in and then he does the freaking three-pin Yeah, he hits him a couple of three piece when he's down and then slaps the the floor and That was one of the wireless knockouts to that's that's another one That's another one But the consequences are different than yours yours is different and it's the fact that you That's another one, but the consequences are different than yours. Yours is different, and it's the fact that you decided to stand in the cage in the center in the last ten seconds, and that you had planned that out. Did your corner know you were planning that out?

Oh, they know already. I mean, they know. You ask any of them, and then you tell them, like, bro, did you guys think? I never told them, but they already know who I am as a fighter. I've been with these guys for like 15, 16 years of my life. Half of my life, fighter. I've been with these guys for 15, 16 years of my life. Half of my life, brother, I've been with these guys. Wow. Actually, I think 14 years.

I think it's 14. A little bit under half of my life with these guys. So they know me. You can even... Do you have the corner? Share the corner. Ryland is hiding because he knows what's happening already. My striking coach already knows that it's going to go. They know.

I asked them after. They did interviews and interviews and they asked him, did you know Max was going to do that? He's like, he didn't tell us, but we had a feeling that if he went to the last 10 seconds, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, hiding under his eyes. Look at your guys. Look at them screaming. Bro, you know what is funny? That guy Michael is like 5'3". So he's like holding himself up on them bro. His legs is

dangling and he's kicking in the air. Imagine that. I wish they had a full screen. He's on top of them like, ohhhh. Wow. That was wild man. And then shout out to my best friend Birdie Bird, Jordan Reed in the back since the news didn't catch it at him They named every corner man except for him in the back So here's a question Jamal Hill loses that fight and now he's gonna fight Khalil round tree, bro Does it don't don't you think do you think that's a fast turn around? I don't know. It's a very fast turn It's only two months. Yeah, it's two months. Are you finding?

huge around tree is a brother do you know you owe him a lot of money you do have a lot of money that's how he fights yeah he fights you like you stole something from him his contract is probably a sure win so you always you owe him win money that sidekick that he did to the knee. Oh, that's the huge jumping into that Horrible as nasty wrong horrible watch his knee bend backwards Khalil I remember when clear fought Eric Anders He came back from Thailand so he fights Johnny Walker Johnny Walker catches him with an elbow in the clinch and He decides like I got to really learn Muay Thai

Clenching elbows he goes to Thailand and then he fights Eric Anders and he comes out looking like a Thai fighter. Pah! A leg kick. Where did he fight? I think I watched that fight. What fight? See if we can find Khalil Rowntree versus Eric Anders. I think that was on the Vogue. I think that was in Vegas. I think that was on the Vogue 3 fight. I believe it was in Vegas. Yeah, I think that was on the Vogue 3 fight.

Me and DC were like, what happened? He was always a very good fighter. He was always a very good stand-up fighter too. But he went through this leap in this fight. See if you can get early in the fight. The leg kicks were insane. And the way he's moving, he's moving like a tie. This whole thing was just a second round. Oh, okay. He was moving like a tie this whole thing was just a second round okay?

He was moving like a tie like his front leg. He's like tapping with the front leg Yeah, yeah, and and yeah, yeah look he's finally going already I mean it was very like tie style Adapted to MMA, but we were just like my god like he's looked so much better than we've seen him before like my god like he's looked so much better than we've seen him before there was something about like he made this decision after that Johnny Walker fight and then started going to Thailand and just kicked his game up several notches and now you know he gets this opportunity for a guy like Khalil to fight a guy who also just got KO'd right just got KO'd just two months ago, so most people would say hey, this is too soon

Yeah, a lot of people say this is too soon, but I get it Jamal wants to get back in there He feels like that was a fuck-up, and he wants to erase it. He says he's fine, but this is a It's a fucking scary cat man. Yeah, because even with even with the Jamal Hill incident right how much shots did he get to take on the ground took a few hard ones yeah hard hard hammer so whatever but it's the left hook that makes his eyes roll back but Khalil's a monster oh but he but imagine he'll bro imagine if you're in you're in this situation right you're in his shoes like how you said this guy's got knocked out. Bro, you go out there, you knock this guy out,

guess what you're doing next fight? You're fighting for a title. You're fighting for a title, brother. You are fighting Alex Pereira for a title. Can you imagine Khalil and Alex Pereira? Holy shit, man. It'd just be violence, bro. Oh, crazy violence.

And, you know, Khalil's had moments in his career where he was, like, not totally focused. And then he's had moments where he's really focused and you see it like in his endurance in the fight, like this fights that he's lost where it just like he wasn't really there. But then you see him when he's really focused, like it's like you got to pay attention to what he's capable of. Like you could look at a fighter sometimes and you could look at bad fight like some like a good example is Charles Olivera. If you go and watch Charles Olivera, some of his of his earlier fights looks like he kind of like folded Yeah, and then something happened after the birth of his daughter where Charles Oliver becomes this fucking assassin

Yeah, he's just in us and he just has no quit in him He's just an animal and it's just like everybody just forgot about that old shit like no, he's the fucking man Yeah, and they forgot about the cub Swanson fight. They forgot about all these other fights. They forgot about the old shit like no he's the fucking man yeah, and they forgot about the cub Swanson fight They forgot about all these other fights. They forgot about the Paul Felder fight. They forgot about those fights like fuck all that fight What is he capable of now he's on and that's I think what you got to do with Khalil That's why this is a dangerous fight because Jamal's a bad man, and he's a dangerous dude He can knock out anybody for sure. Oh, it's gonna be what so's Khalil. It's gonna be violent, bro I don't have to watch his kneecaps, bro. She's gonna have to watch his legs,

everything. And Khalil is also Southpaw, so Jamal standing Southpaw, you know, he likes to... Ooh, look at that. Bro, that was horrific. That was horrific. I mean, he's just sidekicked this shit out of his knee, just blew it apart, man. And that's real controversial, because a lot of people like man that ends your career but He's back He sees a fucking animal man. I mean he's so skillful and so intelligent in his stand-up And it's just like shit. It's super super high level man. Oh look you tried to trust kick a guy his body way Yeah, he's done that before he's body kick guys

He tried to truss kick a guy in his body while he's down. Yeah, well he's done that before. He's body kicked guys. Oh yeah, I love body kicking. He just stands up and body kicks him. In Hawaii, bro, I got into an argument with a ref because one of our fighters body kicked someone when he was down. And they stopped the fight to give the kid a time. And I was like, what are you doing? And he's like, you can't body kick on the ground.

I was like, you cannot body kick a down opponent to the head. You can body kick him to the body. You just can't kick kick on the girls like you cannot body kick a down opponent to the head you can body kick You can kick him to the body. You just can't get him to the head. Yeah, no you can't do that I was like what are you watching? Unless they modified the rules no brother move the rules as a modified bro. I was just bad Yeah, I was got a fucking point deducted from my from my from my one of my boys. I'm so sorry, bro But like that that was supposed to be a TKO yeah you you you TKO'd this kid bro that's ridiculous that's just bad referee I really think that the problem the only problem with knees to the head on the ground and kicks to the ground is

the cage if there was no cage no place where you couldn't move and someone could stomp you all that shit should be on the table because it it's these are valid techniques if you can knee someone to the head in the clinch if you could scissor knee someone like paeda did with Michael Ida's if you could do that kind of shit like why can't you need a guy to head on the ground and you know what it is bro and and if you if you do do that you know how much more of this like this safe area of people's playing with their hand the ground hand up you know how much more of this like this safe area of people's playing with their hand on the ground hand up You know how much more it people want to do that?

They're gonna go all the way to the ground or they're gonna like fight you talented G Intelligently yeah, and then they're gonna go instead of going down and playing that day game, bro Yeah, they have they having a moment where you're safer because of a rule is never a good thing No, it's it's terrible changes the whole way you compete. Yeah. You'll do that. You'll let a guy have your back, and you'll put your hand on the ground.

Because you know, his knee's right there. And when in reality, you've got to get out of that spot. Yeah. You can't be there. You're dead. Same thing with being a turtle. If you're a turtle, and a guy like Mark Coleman in Pride can just drop those knees on your head,

remember they let him do that in Pride? So when guys turtle in the UFC, you cannot knee them in the head, which is a perfect time to knee knees on your head. Remember they let him do that. So when guys turtle in the UFC You cannot knee them in the head. Yeah, which is a perfect time to knee them in the head But then even that cuz then when they do turtle right so say I'm fighting someone and I see someone turtle It's like half a second of them resting because I'm thinking like shit now I got to be smarter where I'm picking this and what I'm doing You know like the back of the head rule 100% You know

But like if I can soccer kick you because you're doing that like that it's so easy to like boom boom she down there I kick you right in your head you know like but I don't know bro if you know that that's one of the options you won't stay in that position yeah the guy's not gonna be turtled I guess even like guys are like taking knees knees down and they're like this on their ground on the ground already is like they know what they're doing. Exactly. You know what you're doing, bro. And then if I come in and do something wrong, you get a takedown and you're on top down. Right.

Like, come on, bro. That's the two faces on one side. That's one of the reasons why people are so mad at Al Jermain when Al Jermain won the title from Peorter Yon. Peorter hits him with an illegal knee when he's down. But that knee should be legal. Yeah, I think so. You shouldn't be able to be on your knees in a fight Yeah, I think so you're are you able to move if they're not stopping the fight That means you can move even with the even with even what you said you you you pulling at the elbow the 12 to 6 Yeah, I'm like brother they you I didn't I never know why they took it out, right?

And then you you said I think someone into his long time ago You said they took out cuz they saw a guy break ice with that doing that right bricks on break bricks whatever right 12 in the morning yeah guess what that guy can break a brick with a headbutt that guy can break a brick with train elbow this way yeah that guy can break a bricks train the elbow upwards and guess what we can still throw that thing so why are you thinking that away from on the ground big John McCarthy told me that it was Just the people at the athletic Commission's back of this well. You know big John had this

unenviable role where he had to go to these places and Explain to them that there's rules involved in MMA, and then you get morons like what about this I saw someone do that and break a break you can't do that okay? No 12 to 6 elbows. That's crazy That break a break you can't do that. Okay, no 12 to 6 elbows. That's crazy Okay, it was a dumbass rule and that the only loss on John Jones record And even that like you when I'm on my back the 12 to 6 follow you right so I can't go like this Like my back crazy and then they're like yeah, but you can't go like this, but if you go like this Oh, that's the same exact. this is the same exact thing as this. At the end I'm twisting it, you know?

Like, come on, bro. Also, it's like, especially this elbow, I don't feel like this elbow is as hard as this elbow. No way, bro. This is not like, I cannot, even if I'm mounting you, right? Like how John Jones mounted, right? Like, what you gotta do, you gotta like, crunch your abs, like, to get all the here.

This is like like I'm going my whole shoulder Body's coming into yes There's so much more in that one and you can't have a thing where a guy can protect himself by doing that and then you can't Throw that one technique. That's crazy. That's crazy. This doesn't make any sense There's a bunch of dumb rules like that, but I think the cage Doesn't make any sense. That is crazy. That is crazy.

There's still a bunch of dumb rules like that, but I think the cage provides this problem for soccer kicks and stomps and knees on the ground. Yeah, because you're stuck. It's like a wall, right? Yeah. It's like a wall, right? And I understand that, but guess what? Don't go to the fucking cage, dog.

You know the cage is there, brother. You know what I mean? Right. Right. Like, I, bro, the cage is my buddy. Yeah, I love the cage. Maybe we could have a rule where they say like no knees or stomps when a fighter's touching the cage. Yeah, that'd be cool. Like if yes, but then you're gonna start seeing guys if in the middle crawling their ass all the way to the cage now, you know?

Right, right. That's true. Well people are always gonna try to game. Yeah, as soon as you get a damn rule people are gonna game it all the time and that's what it is. You know my thought. My thought they should have a basketball court. My thought is guys should fight in the center of like an open flat place Just like oh just like what they do for basketball, but just what they do for even for grappling matches Yeah, but guys are gonna fall over and then what's gonna happen? Well, they don't don't have multiple matches going on like they do with with that don't have it on a platform Just have it on the ground. Oh, yeah yeah I just have it on the ground like have guys

I mean You know how wild that would be we're all sitting there in the arena and there's no cage and these dudes just walk out in The center of this big open mat. I Mean, that'd be crazy. Yeah, just have a warning because then I I love the cage, bro I love no cage to I just love the kids for takedown purposes Right whenever somebody put me like go to cage cage is your friend I like guys don't like it because you think you're losing the fight, but like It is but no kids would be smart though because yeah, what you said

I see what you're saying, but you would see so much guy, but so much guys is gonna like Get you to a point and they're gonna shoot so like you know like the islam's and the kabeib's that kind of fights that they're gonna Shoot so low cuz you know have a cage cage and it's gonna keep driving you to Forever land you know until you get hit and then you got to restart or whatever maybe but it may might stop a lot Of takedowns because it's gonna it's gonna have a much more realistic Scenario instead of being able to charge up to a guy against the cage get your hands up against his butt lift him And take him down where he can't he can't go anywhere His back's to get to case me to be took so many guys down

So many guys do that Off the cage yeah And if you got a guy who's gonna keep moving and push you away and keep moving then circle out now you got to take Them down again. It could change the whole dynamic of fighting could it could I getting up is gonna be way harder I can yeah, it's gonna be way harder. I love the keys for get ups. I have another thought about that Yeah, I think if a guy takes you down at the end of the round you start in that same position from round two You think so? I'd be pretty gangster cuz guys wouldn't be able to guys wouldn't care You know, some guys just take it off like I would ever take me now and I'm only gonna be stand up anyway

Well, you gotta think it's a fight or or or like even your rule Like if you're getting hold down from that last round then you start from getting hold down right? Yeah, that's the same rule right? That's what I think if like say if a guy takes you down and he's got you mounted and it's the end of the first round I feel like you start mounted in the second round. That sounds crazy. It sounds like you should start a fighting It is a fight right? It's a fight. It's not five individual fights Yeah, so if you have a five round fight and every fight starts standing up for a guy like Paheta, that's a massive advantage Yeah, yeah, yeah, especially after imagine he got took it on it and just took his ass beaten for one round

Now imagine Paheta fights John Jones and they fight John Jones for the light heavyweight title at at You know five rounds John takes Paheta down in the first round and at the end of the round John's got him mounted and Paheta rides out the bell. Well the round starts round two with John Jones mounting him because it's one fight it's not five fights so if you start a new fight now you're starting standing up again but you didn't you're not standing up yeah fight is still going on that's crazy back in the same spot then they don't have to change the whole judging to to to the whole fight like judging yeah it should be I feel like it

should be that way like yeah why are we fighting rounds you know I think pride had it right yeah pride had it right they judged the fight as a whole and they judged the end of the fight it was more important yeah who's winning just like schoolyard yeah yeah if you are out boxing a guy and there's no teachers around and then you know all the sudden he takes you down And he starts beating your ass and you can't get up and then the ref or those teachers come and pull him off Everybody's gonna think that guy won the fight. Yeah, they're not gonna say yeah, but he's getting Tom controlled him on the feet for three minutes. He only took him down for 30 seconds nobody gives a shit about that Yeah, they give a shit about like who's winning at the end of the fight exactly I brought

That'd be I mean you it's kind of cheap You know it favoritism my ass that we stand on the feet every time but that's pretty that's pretty cool Yeah, that would be pretty cool because now you would because now you would see guys fight much harder to get up now. So like if I'm on my ground, I'm on my back, and the round, you see guys be like, oh 30 seconds. Well it's the best. You know what I mean?

Like I just hold on to you for 30 seconds. And now, because I know in my mind, like oh, I'm standing up. We're going to come out standing. But if you tell me 30 seconds and holy shit, new round, round I'm gonna start on my back. I need to fucking get up You know I need to like create a scramble or something you know so it's not so indefinite that we start here I think I brought I think it changes me. I think that's pretty cool Maybe I like the idea and what I like the idea about it because it's much more like a real fight So this is supposed to be the fight the sport of real fighting fighting right that's really what it is like what works the best that's what MMA is and if you have

limited techniques like you can't use a knee to a downed opponent you can't do this to a downed opponent though that that fucks things up and then if you have the cage where the guy can use the cage that fucks things up because the guy could use the cage to take guys down they could use the cage to stand back up so the cage becomes a factor and then you have the fact that every round starts standing up So if you you busted your ass to take this guy down down Yeah, you took damage to get a hold of this guy you take it down the first round You have ten seconds to go in the first round you mount him you're on top of them

Horn blows fuck now you gotta start standing. I got to get known Yeah, yeah, I just it's it's chill against that Anderson fight if he could have came back from the ground every time crazy change that it changes everything changes everything he could have got triangle sooner or you know I mean or he could have finished the guy you know you don't know you know this is a bunch of what-ifs but it's a bunch of ways you know it's also taken into consideration that it is supposed to be one fight It's not supposed to be five fights, you know And like to have every fight start in the advantageous position for the striker when he didn't earn a get-up

Yeah, yeah after getting yet. Oh, I mean we do they already kind of do that Right, like when you're against the cage or something or something happened and they break you Do put you right back into that situation. So why would I? Fuck it suck for strikers, you know strikers worldwide. I'm sorry But if this is the way to prove that you're the baddest man alive Sign me up for brother because I'm here for if you take my ass down and and and and I use a I use a bell To get a spec to stand up That's kind of lame bro. We like you need to get your ass up, you know You're not you're not considering that I'm able to get your ass up in a fight that you would have lost

Under the current rules because you might start standing up in the second round and this dude says alright fuck this guy I'm not gonna clinch with him. Now. I'm gonna kick his calves. I'm gonna move around You need to talk to somebody rather. That'd be pretty cool. Nobody listens to. Maybe USC 400, they do something. Bro, I had all sorts of plans. They don't listen to me. And I wouldn't listen to me either. They've got a great business, it's real successful. You can't make all these changes, that's ridiculous. My other thing that I would say is you got to get rid of weight cutting and you can do it. It can be done with hydration tests and you got to give people more options for weight classes. They should have an option every 10 pounds minimum. Every 10 pounds would be good.

I think with the weight cutting would be fun without no weight cutting but then we see guys like other promotions and people are missing the hydration test anyway. So like people are still trying to do it. Whatever you do they're going to gain it because somebody always is going to look for the advantage no matter what it is. But there's a way to do it where, if you have a big organization like the UFC, think about what they do with drug-free sport now,

it used to be USADA. They'll find you wherever you are and give you a random drug test. Well, why can't they find you and put you on a fucking scale and get a hydration read on you and go, Max, you're 172 pounds like you're not 145 pounds max you're 172 pound fighter so we're gonna you could probably healthy be healthy and fully hydrated 165 that's probably where you

should fight yeah unless you want to do something crazy to lose a lot of weight like actually lose a lot of weight like go running every day for a hundred miles the only it's funny cuz then a lot of people always ask me, or even when I started dating my wife first, she's like, she went and she's like, oh, you're that heavy. Why did you fight this? I'm like, I only do it cause everybody else is doing this shit. You know?

Like if we don't do it, if I don't do it, then I'll fight a one seven year, you know? Like imagine Maya stepping in there fighting like a Jose, not a Jose, but like a George St. Pierre. Right. Yeah. Bro, that guy is looking huge, you know what I mean? He's pretty big. He's huge. Or Camaro. Camaro, you know what I mean?

Leon is a big boy too. Leon's huge. Yeah. So it's like, everybody's doing it because everyone's doing it. Exactly, they have to do it. Because you, but all those guys are 200 pounds. All those 170s. 20 plus.

Yeah, they're 200 pounds. Great, some of them, yeah. Yeah, they're all those guys, like Hamzah, it's gigantic. Hamzah is not those 170 plus. Yeah, they're two of them. Yeah. Yeah, they're all those guys like Hums. That's Gigantic I'm guys not even 170 anymore. No, yeah You need 170 you remember, but he's big. That's why I wonder if he could have made it when New York pulled his card because the thing about New York is there they've done stuff like that before they wouldn't let you New York is there they've done stuff like that before they wouldn't let you Kabeep yeah, yeah, now I quit your place Yeah, I'm telling you, but I know that was just as unreal unfortunate, but I could have made that weight though

I bet 100% bro. Yeah, but the thing is it was just It was just stupidity. You know it was ten days. I was with some somebody doing My my nutrition stuff at the end. He did a freaking interview He said how much I was I was super heavy and the freaking Commission saw it and they fucking was on my ass I was like bro if you didn't say shit, we would have been fine, you know, right, but then that's what happened You should you open people open your mouth. I love like a tight knit small small team You know, it's like nothing happens. Nothing gets out anything happens is like motherfucker. Yeah, you can't say that Yeah, especially in New York you could say in Vegas in New York

Yeah Vegas don't give a shit and it was also in New York when they just started like they didn't they did that's what I say They when you New York was stood against MMA. Mm-hmm like they stood was against MMA You know and then that happened and I remember bro fucking guy came in I Looked I looked sucked out of my life, and they were like yeah, you're not fine. How heavy were you how much? I was like three pounds off bro. That's it Yeah, and we and we had like a bunch like we had like I stood I stood think we had like three hours left. Oh, you could yeah, it was fine. You know I think Hums out They pulled him

I don't know what he was when they pulled him then he started drinking water and then he waited 178 I believe that's crazy. Yeah, he was way over. That's crazy, but I Wasn't excited about that fight who's he funny Dia Oh Nate? Yeah, I was like that is a Then what happened who did he fight? He fought somebody else right? Nate fought Tony Ferguson. Yeah, and he fought Kevin Holland. Yeah. Yeah, which is also Kevin Holland was preparing for someone else Yeah, yeah Roger Rodriguez who's a striker and then also he's fighting this insane wrestler Yeah, and then that's what happened with the with the fake club touch and he took him down. Yeah. Yeah

Hamsat is who's he fighting next? Riddicker Robert that's right Robert. I'm looking forward to now and if there if there is someone who can who can kind of? Nugget the wrestling I think it's what it the wrestling, I think it's Whitaker. Yeah. I think it's Whitaker, bro. And then, Kamzai is strong, but bro, that Burns fight showed a lot. It showed a lot.

If you can hit this guy and continue to hit him, it's gonna be a fun fight. And Kamaru Usman fight, because Kamaru was winning the third round. Bro, so. And he had 10 days to get ready for that fight. And when I tell everybody like against a Cosmot, you know like with a Cosmot with the wrestling, it's like if you go pull up, if you pull up his fight brother, if you go watch the Cosmot

fight against Usman, the only time he takes down Usman is when Usman wrestles him back. When Usman is like anti-wrestling anti wrestling fighting his wrist not letting him connect his hands No take downs, but as soon as Usman was like, okay I'm just gonna wrestle back and like he starts to like grab the stomach and stuff You get taken now you pick down like brother like you should just anti-wrestle this guy He was beating him in the striking too, but I think it was also Kamau didn't know what his cardio was like Like yeah, so he had to get trust Just wasn't prepared to go full out and hums on knew that so Hums lot put that grappling pressure on them immediately to try to wear him out. Yeah

Crazy, I don't like those 10-day fights man. It's got it. It's shitty cuz no one's gonna talk about the 10 days You know I mean like unless you Tom Aspin all yeah Yeah, right so Tom Aspin all takes it on like 11 days Yeah, he knocks out Pavlovich and he comes the interim title exactly but not but then even even with that like this can say the interim You know he's right he won the interim. They're not even talking about the day everybody would bring up the 10 You know like even with like the Vogue fight. It's like oh, yeah, Vogue is this the Vogue is that but then Oh, he got knocked off on this guy, and then he got knocked out again I'm like yeah, but he got knocked on 10 days, but it's crazy

You know it's like people keep forgetting about that because they don't give a shit well they forget about that also because if you go back before that second fight with Islam Volk is considered to be the number one pound-for-pound guy in the world and and many believe that they thought he won the fight yeah I mean I thought it was real close but I watched it like three or four times I'm like I think there was like one round where you you I think it's a second round Where it's up in the air you like I think but again at the end of the fight He's on top of Islam and he's pounding on yeah, it was just nuts to see crazy

Well, that's just to think a 45er who's gonna come up and do that to the guy who does that to everybody in his weight class Yeah, it was insane bro. He's a legend bro. He's a legend brother That's why it's like sucks to take a 10-day fight and then you get KO'd one of the worst ways to get KO'd Brother and then and then I'm in the back. I'm in the back. I don't know if you guys saw this clip but I'm in the back and and Uses doing this promo thing right after the I think so was no and I have to was before I don't know before one Of fights, but they're doing it promise late, I don't know, it was before one of the fights

but they're doing it promocley when I was warming up and I was watching the fights. They did this clip and they're showing like all the old clips but I was like, they show Volk walking out? Yeah, and then the next clip is side by side of him getting knocked out by two guys. I was like, what the fuck? I was like, damn, this game sucks.

What a shitty turn of events. I was like, oh Vulk and in the fucking next two clip is side by side of him his only two is two knockout losses and I'm like wow this shit is heartless bro this game ain't for the weak bro no this game is not for the weak it's heartless how quickly your life can turn around if you're a guy like Vulk you go from being the man to being dismissed uh-huh you know to being like oh yeah we're gonna fight bro like cuz like Ilya didn't want a grand like, oh yeah, we don't want to fight, bro. Like.

Cause like, Ilya didn't want a Granite or a rematch. Ilya didn't want to fight nobody in the top fucking 15, brother. Well who does he want to fight? Brother. Himself. I don't know. Motherfucker want to fight himself, bro. What the hell is going on, bro?

This guy, this guy, brother? This is the man, bro. This is the guy we're dealing with, bro. This is the guy we're dealing with. So we had a Bible verse off on Twitter. Everybody's like saying freaking 10-8 Holloway because the verse I used against them. And then he writes, and I don't say nothing, that's all I say, and he writes like a freaking paragraph, bro, to me.

Like I didn't even read it. That's how long it was. He writes a paragraph to me, brother. I didn't read it and I was just tripping out I was like it was like an angry girlfriend text, you know, like my wife don't even text me like that I was like I read the first to say I'm not reading this Yeah, I don't know what's going on Brother I don't know what's going on, but I was like I read the first student and then I saw you had to scrolls

I what the yeah, did I make my wife mad? I had to make sure that wasn't her, you know? Like what the hell? That's hilarious. That's funny Yeah, I don't know who he wants to fight next, but I mean if I guess he feels like he's the champ He can call the shots, but I know that he turned down the Perth one the 305 the Volkonovsky rematch Oh, yeah. Yeah, the thing the question is like if you're in Volkonovsky's corner, let's say this now because We can say it now right because we couldn't say it after the first Islam fight, but you take a fight like the Islam fight you get KO'd bad head kick You chill bro, and yeah you chill for how long?

At least six months with no stuff and I'm like maybe you could no sparring Yeah, yeah, and then he could have came back on 300 Yeah, he could have headlined 300 bro. You know I mean like yeah, you could have been I would have told you see like hey look Oh, you I did you guys a solid you didn't me solids very much. Let me rest my head Let's say this is horrible. Maybe I we've on 300. I feel like the UFC should tell him that too. Yeah, you know I think it was I think they was you know Cuz then cuz then I was like telling Tim damn like brother like if you need somebody let me know like Like tell you see that no and you see came back and say like this crazy mother ever wants to fight You know I mean so I think so I think this is him and his team and even with his team like even with um

But he's such a property property Yeah, he's so important. Yeah to risk him like that again after a head kick knockout to Markachev Yeah, and then and then like you can mentally or and physically say you're ready, right? But then something wasn't right, you know, like go watch They you know, this guy's a rugby player, you know I played him three times and this guy's head is always head first. He's always like, I fought him three times, brother. It's accidental, it's not hard, but he's like a rugby guy, so his head is always coming in.

Me and him head butted a couple times, it is, but not big ones, not career-changing ones, but his head is forward. He's a rugby guy. He's in that huddle shit, right? Tell me why when he fights this fight He's like being uncharacteristic and like kind of throwing and then going back, you know, so it's like it was just a different You know, I don't want to I'm not taking yeah I'm not taking nothing away from me like it is what it is

He fought he fought both at a perfect time But like if you can like if somebody can look me in the eyes then I didn't be like bro That was the same bulk that that that's that's been doing this thing at 45. I will call you a dead ass liar, brother. I'll be like, you're a serial killer because you're a psychopath if you think that's the same man. You get compromised by knockouts. There's no if, ands, or buts about it.

The question is, how much time do you give yourself to recover and can you get back to 100%? I don't think you can get back to 100% from a head kick knockout in a few months No, bro, and you have to do some sparring to get ready for and that can't they do this thing? And yeah, and and say kickboxing is great You know, I mean Eugene is is a great coach Eugene's a genius and I'm sure Eugene was probably in his year You know, I mean a talent on but then again, it's just well, he's he's a dominator

Yeah, he knows how to win and you know, he but you can't run a race with a bad suspension Yeah, yeah, you know, let that thing heal up and and but then sometimes you just you're your own enemy You know, I mean like he probably wanted that erased in his mind Thinking that like this nod. I'm gonna come back here. I'm gonna do this and this is just gonna be forgotten I mean, yeah, yeah Everybody, you know But it just happens cuz then what if he goes out there and he did get it done You know, I mean that that that would have been amazing, right and we all would have been wrong, but then

For head injury rise like I could sit earlier in our conversation with Justin like Justin is taking six months off of that you know, I mean? Bro, 6 months at least no contact. Just chill. But this guy, you probably got a good freaking nice payday for that second Islam fight. Even the first Islam fight. You do favors for UFC. They take care of you.

At the end of the day, I've been with this company for a real long time. So I know this stuff. I feel like he should I I feel like so obviously he should just rest I feel like you just protect you have to protect a champion instinct Not even as a fighter bro like as a person like you know I shared the octagon this guy I'd like to call him my freaking arch nemesis people like to make things, but I like him as a person brother He's a father to beautiful daughters, and I mean he got a family so like well, just take your time off You know enjoy go go go with them do that you know and it happens though sometimes sometimes We are our own worst enemies, and I mean like I and being in his shoes

I couldn't say because if that happened to me I would want to be like that like about this I want to kill this kid Let me go kids can remind people and then you have to have people close to you that can stop that Any any does bro, but like at the end of days. Maybe he just trumped him He's like maybe maybe he had a trump card and he was like look I listened to you guys before But trust me I got this and like how do you not believe a guy in like like him? You know he had an iron chin before that Oh, yeah, iron chin brother. You see his size his head brother He takes a shot but the fact that toporia put him out with one shot

Yeah, part of me was like damn and absolutely toporia is a knockout striker. He has beautiful boxing beautiful His technique is outstanding his power is tremendous no doubt about it he can knock anybody out, but it's the way it happened and that That the shying away that we were talking about earlier was perfect shot, bro. He just hit him. He did it Yeah, he put his head down. Yeah, he knew he said is gonna be there put his head down Yeah, swing to it, and that's what the boy does, but he swings when he swings he swings all his might and it's nice technique It's not like wild swinging as my he's swinging all his might Take technique wise knowing that like analyzing like your head is probably gonna be here. I'm just gonna throw the door

You know, the Jai Herbert one was amazing. Yeah, that was that was one after the head kick He knocked him out in the second round to come back after that's one Yeah, you know, he's a small 155 yes not the really the weight class for 45 perfect but it's just I mean he could fight at 55 to make no mistake about it just like you did go up correctly but I'm Jai Herbert's a long tall long dude yeah he's long tall dude I feel like for a fighter like Alexander Volkonovsky, he's like a legacy Fighter he's a guy that's like he's a legend. He's one of the most dominant champions in any division and

For a guy like that. You gotta kind of know the mindset but not don't let him do something Don't take a war right take a fight with my chef on ten days notice when you haven't been training you just Been drinking drinking. Yeah, and hanging out. I know you think you can do it and maybe you can do it But you probably yeah sure not gonna be a hundred percent and that and that's the and that's a tough thing You know it's like I hate when like you know he said that and then things happen and then they talk about what's going on It's like brother like Skip the man is, you know? You took the fight, you know what you did. What the hell I gotta tell you what I was doing this whole time, you know?

Like, at the end of the day, I'll just be like, well, it was just a better night. You know, like, I... What a lot of fighters, like, the most irritating thing... There's two things that irritate me about fighters, bro. Sore losers and then sore winners, bro. Like, people that win and still talk like oh this this and this I'm like You want the damn fight? So what?

All this shit, you know, like I hate guys who do that So and I and I hate that's like I'm whenever you you see me lose or you see me win, bro I give nothing but respect to the next guy cuz I don't know what they've been going to I don't know What kind of obstacles they had to do cuz I know what I was I had to I'm not gonna say shit But if you want to say stuff like even Justin like Justin anything, but he's finally doing He's doing all kind of media now and probably he's the same max a dog, you know, congrats to him You know, I'd yeah, we went out there fight like even with him people trying to be like, oh you lost your title shot Like how do you feel? It's like I don't care. That's a BM. That's a BMF Justin is wired different

Yeah, we wired different. You know, I mean like a BMF Justin is wired different You know we wired different You know I mean like a lot of us fighters like even people tell me why you doing this problem wired different, bro I want to fight the best guys. You know that's just it I want to fight the best guys in the world if you guys think this is the best guy Why you think I've been calling DC's badass out for so long? He's the best guy brother I fight him and DC and then DC had the audacity fight week to tell me if he made 45 I was better brother you make 45. I'm killing you right now. It's a fight, but DC you try to make 45

I'm going to kill you brother But right now it's a fair fight because you're so heavy chop both his legs off. He wouldn't make 45 He'd have to do so much, but he looked like mr. Potato head. Can you pull your body apart like mr. Potato? I think DC could have made 85. I think he could have yeah when he was 205 Yeah, I think I think he could have yeah if he really wanted to but he loved food I know imagine that guy at 85 good lord. Oh my gosh Good, that'd be his dad is normal weight class can you actually wake you'd actually be the height wise of people at 85ers? I mean there there is some tall 85ers don't get me wrong, but he oh him and heavyweight brother

He's like I know he gets dwarfed. It's crazy brother. He's the he's dwarfed. That's insane that he fought it Every way I know any one one one and he knocked out steep a steep it the goal The heavyweight goat that people consider he knocked them out. Well crazy crazy crazy You know then you see the second fight. He's really not a heavyweight. Yeah, yeah, I've seen the third fight It's not it's not right. Yeah. Yeah, you can tell right? He just he just he just loves to eat, but he's a Louisiana boy, brother He loves those he loves those little They're they're freaking when they make their pots their crab boils and stuff, but it's gonna be interesting though to see someone at 85 That's that caliber of wrestler like so someone who's of a DC caliber of wrestling does rise up through the Olympic ranks and

then gets into the 185 pound division and has the same kind of punching power. Is there anyone that is there? Not that weight class, not in the UFC, no. Is there some real good wrestlers like Johnny Eblen? Is Bo Nicol like an Olympic wrestler too or no? He's that caliber. Yes, that caliber. But Bo Nicol, you know, he'll tell you he's got a lot of work to do He was very upset with his last fight. Oh, yeah crazy. I saw that My brother you did what you had to do bro

You know, but you know Cody Brunch is good and he gave him some troubles and yeah gave him some trouble standing up You know He's gonna have a real hard time with the elite strikers at that way cause if they have good takedown defense But his wrestling is a far above and beyond most people in that division Yeah, but then that's the but that's the beauty of our sport right that is the beauty of us But I never did any type of wrestling and I feel like I could wrestle with the best of them in an MMA fight You know, I mean, I'm even crazy enough to be like brah I go wrestle you at the wrestle practice I don't give a shit. You know what was the worst you gonna do gonna ragdoll me. Okay perfect

Yeah, that's what you supposed to do But what happens when you don't and I make it a wrestling and you're like holy fuck this guy's actually pretty good You know so at the end of the day, that's why you just gotta be great That's come I love MMA bro and one punch one kick one knee one elbow one take down You know I mean like even take down like how much time you take someone down you show the land in their stomach change the whole Fight thing. Oh, oh, oh, you know breathing hard brother. What's going on there? You know you just you start laying on guys It's uh, that's why MMA is a beautiful, bro. You don't know what is going on You know what's gonna go on and it's it's so many different things can happen

How about that Zhang Wei Li Yan Shao Nan fight oh crazy but we've got you in the back they're good bro when Yan Shao Nan decided not to tap and went out and then woke up at the end of the first round like when the bell rang and Zhang Wei Li let's go over and she's like what's happening and she goes right back to her corner and like is that legal she's out she was out's out. She was out cold Man, bro. She was out cold. Can we see that clip? Yeah She was out cold, but that's that's insane, right? She wouldn't tap

That's insane cuz I just saw I just saw a lot of like I didn't see that part But then I saw like the second maybe the third running on and like it was bad. Oh, they were battling There was a crazy Yon-chan on is a beast. She's good bad. She's good. She's so gangster the fact you wouldn't tap fully locked in Goes to sleep. These guys is like I don't dishonor my family bro. They next level bro. They're these guys are Their warrior people don't understand they get a lot of these other out-of-country fighters, bro They're insane bro It's in it's insane when you see an outside fight like a out-of-country fighter quit Cuz a lot of them don't they come from almost like you know like Charles them to come from the slums

Yeah, China to come from places where it's like you must get bred into being a fighter You know it's like this is what you're gonna. Do this is it. Yeah, yeah, yeah rock one off. Yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah, crazy beast crazy, bro It barely fought that fight with like a broken foot or something is something wrong with him this last fight Yeah, I'm not sure with wonder boy. That's why I took him down so yeah, yeah, bro. Yeah, yeah that guy, bro Oh my god. He's he couldn't strike cuz he had something wrong or even when he fought Neil. Yeah, bro What what what is his name? What is Jeff Neil? Yeah, Jeff Neil, bro And he freaking so who does that to him, but you know how strong gotta be to do that to Jeff Jeff Neil

Jeff Neil's 200 pounds that night. They say Just feels good. He gained 30 pounds, bro. Yeah. Yeah, bro. That guy is weird strong, bro They just I know it doesn't look it No, that's no no, but to squeeze someone's neck off like that standing standing. That's like one hook in that was like a That's almost like a bully like a bully. I got you say uncle. You know like that's crazy That's insane in my mind I was looking at it that way like that is insane and how you do it to Neil Neil is a tough Son of a gun bro, any punches hard and he landed hard shots and shuggles like okay

No, I choke you. It's a wild time for talent. There's so many guys brother and and you know, it is cool It's it's a wild time for talent and it's it's in every weight class You know like how certain weight classes like ah, yeah, they got you know this and that whatever But it's like in almost every weight class. So here it is. This is the end of the round so yawn shall not is Fully out here. Yeah, John. Well he's got look at it's a perfect rear naked She's fully out like out cold right now Bell rings Let's her go out cold Lucky she woke up look at like man. She don't know what the fuck's going on. Whoa. I did not know that

Yeah, she was out out, so if you watch the video 12 second yeah, if you watch the road I mean that is a fully locked look at that seven seconds to go out look at the palm placement Yeah, the back of the head. I mean she's doing it perfectly five seconds right there. She's out out So look at her hands are completely limp So she's out and The referee puts his hands on her She gets up

And she's like what what's going on? She literally doesn't know where she's going to the death to the death to the death Yeah, whoo whoo To the death. To the death. Yeah. Woof. Woof. Imagine you gotta fight someone like that. That's next level, bro. That's a BMF. Yeah. You know what is wild about that BMF?

When somebody asked Dana, Dana was like, is like, oh, what about the BMF? Are you gonna make it for girls? And Dana was like, the BMF is forever. I was like, wait, what the fuck? I was like, what Dana? You can't be saying, yeah, exactly. He's like, anybody can fight for the BMF. I was like Why does that mean?

Harris is gonna try to challenge you You can't be saying that shit down what that is yeah, that's ridiculous don't say that Don't say that yeah, that's crazy. They might have a female BMF one day. I should run. Yeah, well wait he's up there Yeah, John is up there. You can't be a motherfucker if you're a girl. Oh You call the BDF? Well, I guess you could if it's a lesbian wins it oh my god, you know there. Oh, I guess yeah Yeah, you're not you're not wrong. I mean, what are we saying? Yeah, I mean obviously a motherfucker is a different thing But if you didn't understand our language and you said the baddest motherfucker like what they're looking at you

What is this? All right other countries that like have to translate the BMF. They're like, what are they saying? Yeah brought it bro, I Forgot we was fighting for the BMF to you know when when when proof was I never ever got an N new brother I don't know if you're I I think I told you before I never got an N new yeah so when I won the when I won the interim title right it was like and now so when I beat Pettis and then when I fought Aldo it was and now again I was like bro you owe me an N new so I never ever got that I gave Bruce like a hard time about it and then I got my N new now but I was tripping out when I was going there and I was like in there waiting

I was like fuck is Bruce taking so long. They not just see the knockover that I want to say I want Or you get my hand raisin and he was like and new undisputed Yeah, I was like, oh yeah finally got it But we need an undisputed and new so so are you in a holding pattern now? How does it work like in terms of what what happens for you in the future? We see what happens man? We see what happens. I mean where so you see what happens in New Jersey. Yeah. Yeah, we see what happened in New Jersey We I I couldn't tell you to be honest I all I know is Dana White put my ass after the fighting back brother things are about to change. So I'm waiting

I'm waiting for the change Dana. Let us know Let us we be we be sitting we're waiting right now They gave me like a 30 day no contact, you know, like the normal thing that they do after a fight I like people don't know that everybody's like what does it mean 30 days? Are you okay? I'm like brother. This is just this is just regular stuff that we got to rest after a fight So I got I'm doing that right now me and Tim they didn't hit us about anything really you know Like I said, Ilya writing paragraphs over to us on Twitter Can I see what he said I didn't know what he said I want to see what he says I Don't even think you're gonna reach you the whole thing

You might read half of it and just stop reading He's an interesting guy says he gets drunk the week of the fight like the night before the weigh-ins I saw that he drinks drinks wine drinks wine to get a buzz you relax Because it's good for him. Yeah, if it works. He never missed late So no, I mean, I guess you could do it. Look dehydrating yourself to make weight is horrible for you Yeah, you're already doing that. I don't think Whether I finish you by KO or submission, I just beat the guy that beat I was doing math Not once not twice, but three times

You know have one thing that keeps you relevant and that would grant you a money fight the BMF belt I no longer fight for money, but for legacy already Is already fighting for a legacy no longer fighting for money brother He got gifted after in Morton or something that I saw. Somebody told me. Winning that belt while holding my title will cement me as the first. The first to hold both belts. The first to knock out Volk. And what most certainly will happen when we fight. The first one to put you to sleep. Something to calm you down is this. God doesn't shame anyone.

You will have a worthy defeat against a champ. Wow, this is like Roman shit You have a worthy defeat against a champion who will be remembered for eternity I decide who when and where if you don't like the terms, I'm sure or Ortega will oblige But how you how you calling Ortega right right now? How's Ortega like? Even ranked in the way he just beat that year, right? But it was like away for like three years and I even see him calling for a shot. I'm like, yeah He's one fight against a year. Yeah, you're just lost against valk. Yeah. Yeah Yeah years wild. I love watch that dude fight

Like that guy kicks like nobody else in the sport brother if he if they're like jabs, but he can in the sport brother if he if they're like jabs whether he can There's like a switch role if he flips it. He's gonna be like way more like he's a scary dude already Mm-hmm, but there's a there's a switch that he just needs to flip it And he's gonna start figuring out and like it's gonna be problems. He's caught a problem, but when I walk away You know it's funny cuz when I fought him I Think that was the best year that anybody ever saw when we fought in the Apex. I think, so there's fighters that I feel like

when you go in front of a crowd, they're not fighting to a full capacity. And then there's some fighters when you fight Apex where it's like in the gym, they just gonna shine, you know? And like, yeah, year is like when we fought there and I hit him with a couple of shots. And before like you'd seem to get hit a couple of shots in different fights and kind of like weather away and be like oh yeah whatever and like the fight this you know kind of like get in you're making this fight so hard I think I have to take his ass down. I was like, what are we doing here, brother? Why what where the hell did this fucking superhero? Yeah, you're come out of you know, but uh, well you gotta remember

Year you go back to the Frankie Edgar fight, right? So yeah, you're gets dominated by Frankie Edgar on the ground and then you get your 2.0 After that and is much better at takedown defense really good at submitting guys off his back It's just like more of these fights. He's still a young guy. He's young. Yeah, yeah You're still hasn't reached his potential yet, but when it comes to kicks that dude is nobody He's the best kicker in the sport. I think like I said bro nose to nose brother really great Yes, pow. Oh, whoa There's a clip of me like like he kicks through my hand. I was like what I never see him, too

I was like this motherfucker so fast bro. He hit BJ Penn with a 360 roundhouse kick brother crazy. Yeah crazy, bro 360 roundhouse kick on legend crazy, bro. Yeah, bro. Yeah, bro. I'm telling you bro. Like I said, bro Yeah, you're he's gonna be a problem, bro There's one switch and he's gonna flip it's gonna see and I'm gonna and if you're a guy who likes to stay on the outside And you fight that oh my god change everything is those kicks his kicks is like jazz like you said. Mm-hmm You know, he got kicks yet spinning shit. Yeah, he got he fucking he got hell elbows, but he got everything He chose elbows to be it's so even when I was fighting him, bro Like we knew he's gonna try to stupid up L wet places and I get fucking caught by I'm like, what the fuck like why?

Why I knew it was coming and it hit me. I was like, no what is going on? This guy's is so freakin he's just he's out of the box. It's so dynamic He's out of the box and you can't find a guy that's gonna spar like him, bro Nobody's wild cuz nobody's willing to take chances like it's good Cuz when we was sparring with for him Like I said like we wouldn't really hit guys Look at this guy Bro this kick and he does that to that left kick and then that right overhand

Yeah, those kicks are coming from everywhere look at this mean that that left kick to the body and then that right hand behind it Yeah, yeah Josh Emmett's a scary motherfucker though. Whoo That knockout of Bryce. Oh my god That dude he's got hammers for fists. Oh, yeah, bro. He's one of those guys Yeah, but he's one of them load up dudes. Yeah, everything's coming for death every shots death Death. Hey, yeah, I know that's why that's come for death every shots death death hey yeah I know that's why that's come I name in Germany fought the two look to two hammer dudes brother when they meet

but they collided you know that was a crazy fight yeah crazy fight yeah I saw I saw somebody claimed that huh as I thought of a German because I saw somebody claimed that Josh was like the hardest-hitting 45-er and's German like what someone say something He's a bad man Stevens had some crazy crazy Half held Osanjos. Oh, yeah, five. Yeah Jeremy can crack He's a wild dude. It's a crazy sport man. I mean, there's there's really nothing like it in terms of me I mean, I know I'm biased but in nothing like it in terms of I mean I know I'm biased But in terms of excitement in terms of like when you go to you want to be entertained

Go watch some fights. Oh bro for sure. You know you know it's funny because like a lot of people they can they can Almost like put themselves in a fight because we all fought it is in our DNA like we all fought some point in our life. Like even if it wasn't like, like a fight fight, like you fought your siblings, you fought your cousin. So everybody know that feeling like, Oh, this is nuts. This is crazy. You know, like, Whoa, what the hell? So you have that feeling in you of like fighting, like you to say that you didn't fight your cousin or even your friend, like even if it was a little slap fight,

whatever, and you guys hugged it out after, like you fought somebody at some moment in your life and that's come that's what draws it and You can feel the emotion and then when guys get into it. They're like, oh man, I would have did this do that do this I'm like, yeah, okay Grossly underestimate their abilities brother But that's the game, you know? And that's why everybody loves it, because it's so entertaining, because it's like, oh my gosh.

Yeah, exactly. You know? But then it's like, almost sometimes some guys are just like, just false hoping themselves. I'm like, brother, don't do that, you know? You know, like guys calling out like, calling out Demetrius, and then calling out Marimos, and then they showed up Marimos, like rolled up that guy and his jiu-jitsu turn around like brother and even when we talk about this fake like it was like oh in a street fight when everybody's like in a street like I'm whatever train on your pawns and strut bro in a street fight I'll kick you right in the dick

The first thing I'm doing I'm like I'm gonna kick you right in the baby maker. I'm gonna gouge your eyes I bite your ear off. This is a street fight, but I'll have a gun. I'll shoot you who cares I want to win in a street fight, you know, I like no rules brother Like come on the idea that if you give a guy no rules all sudden becomes lethal Why what what you're not gonna scare me real angry when I would talk to karate guys They'd say your stuff is good for sport, but what we do is for the street. I'd be like, what are you talking about? Like that is the dumbest thing you could ever say.

You're practicing street techniques? Is that what you're practicing? Did you not watch UFC One Karate Man? Yeah. But there's so many people that just wanna, that's the beautiful thing about MMA as well and all martial arts is that the training humbles you. Oh yeah.

The reality humbles you. No, reality Oh, yeah, I'm bulls you know, but you notice the most hilarious ones is when it does it like you see these guys troll They come and get their ass kicked and they're back on. Oh, yeah, I'll kick your ass. That was just one day You know watch when I started training. I'm like brother, but that wasn't it the comment is was saying you could kill me now You know that's just it is funny Yeah, there's some guys is uh, you need to do some study on their brains. I'd be would be amazing Well, there's so many different kinds of mindsets that allow someone to get into fighting But when they get to a championship level like what I try to explain to people Did you understand the kind of human being that's capable of fighting the most skillful fighters in the world and rising above them all

That's a rare person. There's a lot of things that had to fall into place to make a max Holloway Yeah, a lot of things for sure. Yeah, you know, you're just like this peace loving like easygoing guy real friendly I love it confused. Yeah, yeah confused. There's a monster inside that head. You know what is funny? So when we were training, this is a while back when we were training at our old gym. Some guys would come visit my head coach, Ryan Lizard. And then he, he, he... And I'm around like wrestlers. So these guys like, stack, you know, wrestler bodies. They're a stack. Big, small, whatever. And I'm just this little skinny kid, you know, this is started my UFC career I'm just skinny kid if you look at the pictures like no chest having ass you know I look like a dork you know I next to this guy had some tattoos and then they asked him and they hit it I had asked him oh he was

like if I told you you had to you had to fight one of these guys you had to fight any one of these guys to leave the gym who would you fight and who would you choose and then the guy chose me, he's like, oh, you chose wrong, because that guy would kill you. He's like, all these other guys, you might have a chance, because they might take you down, and hold you down, maybe grind upon you. But that guy is going to just straight kill you

in any way he could find. So yeah, looks can be deceiving, brother. Like I said, I love harassing DC, but that guy looked like a bag of potatoes about that and he was a double champ and Number one pound for bond in the world, but it's not looks right. It's a mindset and it's what you do. Well fator fator, too Yeah, that's example that they always had a muffin top brother always always stood there Make 205. Oh, yeah easy easy, bro. He might be able to make 85 fader walked around about 235 pounds Yeah, to toy. I think so one time he was like 230 to 25. Yeah, yeah fat

Never was ripped never fucked everybody up fucked everybody up Crazy, bro crazy and then crazy. It was crazy how Dan handle did him like that They got this is late, but like for Dan had to do that at any point in their career is insane I know Dan Hendo is a man, but he's a bad motherfucker If he was around during the bell he'd be one of the guys fighting for a belt too. Oh, yeah He's a BMF bro, true and true. Oh his logo like how you look so good his logo so good I love this being but bro. I know that's iconic Well, it's iconic and that that knockout of fador is iconic too because he's how is he fighting him at heavyweight? What are you doing? No, why are you why are you fighting fador at heavyweight? Who the fuck?

Any chaos Yeah, poos not got the back door escaped on the ground and hit him in an uppercut Poos snuck out the back door. It's a gate on the ground and hit him in an uppercut. No Yeah, he was a monster man. Dan Anderson was a bad man. Oh bad man in the early days I mean, he's a pioneer. I mean that guy is fighting in MMA in the 90s Mother what 90 cuz I wasn't I was born in the one Yeah, he was fighting MMA before you were born. Brother, crazy. And you guys were in the same era. That's insane.

That's insane, yeah. Crazy. Holy, I never looked at it that way. Yeah, man, because your era started when you were 20 years old, right? And while you're fighting, Dan Henderson was the man. Yeah. Crazy. Yeah.

Crazy. And he was fighting before you were even conceived. Yeah. Years before you were conceived. conceived yeah years before you thought up brother I wasn't even a thought not even a thought you were in another dimension waiting any day now come on when the hell am I gonna win this race? yeah and now here you are listen man you I'm it's beautiful for me as a fan of you and as a friend to see this Renaissance and to see people just

giving you your due and you know that's a thing that happens when a guy loses a couple of fights they just they sleep on it you know we were talking about it during the walk I'm like Max is only 32 years old you have to understand he's in his prime right now like this is this is a guy who keeps getting better every time we see him and they counted you out man and you came up big. As big as anybody ever has. I had to do something brother.

I was just, I you know, I shout out to Dana Hunter. Shout out to Sean Shelby bro. Behind the scenes, Sean Shelby know what he did for this fight. He's the man bro. He's the man and uh. Those guys are great. Him and Nick are the best. Yeah.

I couldn't, I couldn't, bro. Just wrapping your head around bro, just to have that fight at UFC 300 bro was oh Uc 300 is huge all around you know you know as a big card And then to get that finish like a lot of people saying it's the movie type finish Against Justin Gaethje a guy who's supposed to you said it best outgun me too big too strong Yeah, I'm supposed to fucking Tony 2.0 me whatever the hell that means I'm a favorite was he at fight time brother when I fight them he still is 2 to 1 I believe he was like 2 to 1 I think so the

Open at like 260 and then I think so he closed at like 2 3 I might be wrong But then I'm wearing that people told me it was like state 2 to 1 so as I I'm just happy You know a lot of my fans They don't really get me a bond the dog so you know thank you for rocking with me for many years You know there it is well It was the biggest challenge of your career, and it was the best performance I mean you're you were on point man. Thank you the strategy the movement everything that jump spinning back Okay, cuz DC kept saying like this is a new skill like the way he's like my friend

Backing because DC kept saying like this is a new skill like the way he's my friend, bro New skill I've been doing this from like my third USC fight ever you have but it was way better now Yeah. Oh, yeah, it's way better now. Yeah, it's like it's it's like anything right like it's going to get better I can't we kept practicing it well like like you said you bro You know how devastating this kick is. That kick can change. Even if you land it on the liver, even if it doesn't hurt it, it's gonna like, longevity, it's like, I like saying what Teddy Atlas say, you know, you put water in the basement. If I land that good in your stomach, it doesn't feel nice, bro.

Even if you look normal, you're hurt. You know it's, and then I touch you there, it's just just gonna shock your whole body and it's going to hurt. It's going to hurt. So that's spinning back kick, brother It's just like I said the video game watching you bend the bag brother If you could put up that clip that's bro You was bending that bag and I was like what the fuck like how this kick is strong as shit Like I was just thinking of like breaking people spleens with it. You know that was my best one Yeah, that's me now as an old man though. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, the other one was a younger one Yeah, but it's still I look at know how to do it right look at that

Yeah, I think about old people today like that's what's interesting about this Jake Paul Mike Tyson fight The old people today have hormone replacement hormone replacements a game-changer. Oh, yeah, it's a different thing Oh, yeah, a 57 year old man today like Mike Tyson. It's like that's not a 57 year old man from 1990 Oh, this is the one yeah, that's the 360 So the idea the idea to explain that was that I forget who used to use that a lot Oh Cungley boom look at this, but that's over. That's this the I saw holy fuck. I think what the hell is your rogues on drugs Bro look at that look at your full extent look at the hip positive when we're in he brought to Freaking land on the bag bro look at the full extension bro you hit so

Yeah, look at that look. Oh my gosh. That's where you get the master. I'm a lot of power. Yeah, that's crazy That's maximum amount of power heel facing them your head looking at it, and you're landing with your heel And I'm looking over my right. Yeah, yeah turned away, so I got full extension Pushing off the back leg kicking with the front leg brother It's crazy power, and it's not utilized that much Dennis Seaver used to have a good one oh that shit was really good I liked him yeah he had a real good one and then we're going back to what you saying brother with the with the Mike Tyson like did you see the clips of him like moving bro yeah he looks good bro yeah right he's got months to prepare oh

imagine he go in there and just that lips a guy bro what is going on he's gonna be hell on wheels in the first round for sure. He's gonna be hell on wheels You know because I don't know how long he can go I don't know what his joints feel like or his back feels like I don't know what's really going on and you're watching clips Of a guy hit that's not yeah, let's hope he gets something crazy and then he say his back is broken that iconic speech Get another iconic speech from it's gonna be interesting and it's the only time I could ever Remember where I was I would be interested in watching a 57 year old man fight a 20 year old man Yeah, for sure. Like you said like even bro like cuz everybody saw him walking around the cane, right?

Mm-hmm. He's looking on what if he trolling everybody? What if he knew bro? What if he knew something we didn't know what if he's wearing or seeing us all over, you know? But but even that bro, they had the new video of him moving. I'm like, this is not fair. What is he doing? They're gonna do everything to him. They're gonna give him all the hormones all the recovery everything They're gonna do everything they can to get him ready for that. There's a lot of money in this That's a lot of money, bro And he's only an exhibition right? It's not even a real fight right and they have 16 ounce gloves, and they they have to fight two minutes

Yeah, but you can still kill someone with 69 if you're Mike Tyson fuck yeah fuck yeah If you're Mike Tyson you know I mean I mean even Paul bro pause pause not a small guy No, he's big like a lot of guys think he's tiny He's a huge boy. He's a big dude, and he can crack yeah And I always say that people look at him like a guy who is a youtuber and they're denying More ball name before when he first was coming out That's the way that's the way you should look at him But now he got like he had like love in his corner like love is his main trainer

What is it John love or he's one of Floyd boys? That guy is he was like a legit world champion at one point so he knows the training that he has to be done like before I was like yeah whatever but then when you see Paul dedicate himself and how he's training getting ready for these guys like he's a businessman too don't get me wrong but he's training bro he's not he's not freaking cutting no corners bro he got the right guys you got a right team straight conditioning probably eating right eating good fighting on his terms, bro. Yeah

Guys, what did you think of Anthony Joshua and Francis and Gatto? Oh brother brother crazy right sucks you I thought I thought if if Anthony was gonna be able to like really shock the world This was I was like, give him Anthony Joshua first. I was thinking that he could have Andy Ruiz. Joshua is known for kinda getting caught and he gets rocked. I always thought that Anthony, not Anthony, but Nagano had the opportunity to be like, oh, you can probably strike him.

You can hurt him. You can probably hurt him with a hand especially because nobody knew anything about Before the Tyson fight, but I think so the Tyson fight shook up the world and and these guys like even like what's his name? Joshua was saying that there was a gimmick fight, and he's the next guy yeah How you called? I called no God no gimm fight and you fight him next and you any trained you know I mean like you could tell bro he was like not like what he did to Tyson brother like a lot of people I thought he won bro when I'm watching it I was like bro this guy won I thought he won a decision he won I think this guy was about to shake up the whole thing but of course it's boxing there you know it is what it is but yeah and and when Francis went out there he was saying that like he was tired the time whatever

right like the thing but Anthony Joshua looks so good he's so good bro it's just a difference in skill you caught him with that right hand in the first round and rocked him it's just a difference in skill level like Anthony Joshua is an Olympic gold medalist he's an elite world fighter and you can see you can see, you can see, look the feint. Look the feint. Look what he's doing. He's already, he's already even dropping his hand, you know? He's also shooting that jab to the body.

Yeah. And looking for Francis to counter with that left hook. Yeah. Francis leans back and throws that left hook a lot. Yeah, he goes like this. Yeah, and that's what he caught, and that's what he caught Tyson Fury with. Look at this.

Boom, look, look. He leaned back there too. Look, he links it back. Oh, man Yeah, it was a big win this guy is some big dudes big win for boxing is Yeah, big win for Josh was so fast, too. Yeah He's so fat and he's he matches him strength wise. Yeah. Yeah. Yes different than Tyson Yeah, straight and and speed, you know, butiori. Yeah, strength and speed you know. But much faster yeah look at that right hand. Oh right over. That right hand over the top he was fucked here now he gets up he's in real trouble here yeah and DOOM I mean that right hand. He didn't even move bro.

He didn't even see it. No. He did not even see it brother. He was already out here like he's But you saw how that set up because if he was doing the jab to the body like you said Jad to the by judge so he just he just sat down and stuff kind of froze going back like this Got overhand perfect beautiful boxing boxing exhibition, man Beautiful boxing you ever think you're gonna do any boxing matches mother. I don't know bro. I don't know. I would love to would be fun Yeah, yeah, I would say who you know, but like like I said, we got a lot I got it's not even worth calling out or doing anything cuz I didn't day I'm with the USC and if the UFC don't see it making money They're not gonna give it and then all I'm gonna be is be one of these dumbasses on the internet calling out

Stupid fights for no reason it's not gonna happen you know what I mean? So at the end of the day it is what it is. I would love, personally if you ask me, I would love to box. I have some boxing cousins that's coming up in the boxing world right now or even a friend he just fought on the 20th and he just won. JJ Benito, he's the man and And then my cousin and they're coming up. They're fighting my cousin them and I

Would love to box when I box in them. It's fun It's having fun. I have a great and then to go in there and actually box someone to see the difference I would love to see it. You know, I would love to do you have like right now like at 32 years old Do you have a timeline for the rest of your career? Do you have a thought I I don't I don't I don't want to I don't want to fight to a 240 for sure You know I mean like you know I always thought like maybe 35 36. We kind of look at it It all depends on where I'm at in my career You know if I'm stood in the top five and and you know it chat or even championship level if I'm stood in the top five and you know, even championship level, if I'm stood here,

I'm doing what I'm doing here, at 35, 36 maybe we squeeze out a little bit, but then I always, I tell you every time we talk, you know, I want to retire the game. I don't want the game to retire my ass, brother, because how much time we see not only in our sports but any sports, the great greats they just don't they don't they don't leave when they supposed to leave and it just kind of like yeah they have a great legacy but it kind of hurts it at the end like even though you can talk about the great stuff that they did it's still kind of hurt some like oh you kind of stayed you overstayed your welcome you know and and

that's got my got a bunch of other stuff you know that I'm trying to try to get into like like I said with this new brew drink That that you're drinking right? Well, you know, I'm a co-owner at that. I the streaming stuff. I love me I know you love gaming. I don't know if you've been gaming but the streaming stuff. I love it now That's great and I love being playing games cuz at the end of day a lot of these guys that they identify identified himself with their sport and When they retire they don't have nothing so they come back anyway because they kind of lose themselves they feel like oh this is my identity so I'm trying to build these stuff so I have another venture so

as soon as we go I can try and tack this like I would love to stream when I'm older you know even freaking podcast or interview or do something like you need these guys need to understand that they need something outside of their sport before they let go. Kobe was doing it right, rest in peace to him. But he did it right. When he was getting rid of surfing, he started doing his podcast, he started doing all kinds of other stuff.

He started getting more in hand with his daughter's basketball. He was doing stuff to make himself forget about what he did and he was focusing on other stuff to make himself great in another way. That's the main thing. As long as I can compete at an elite level, you know, I don't want to be this guy that just hanging on and everybody like, Oh man, I know I would fucking it would sadden me the day that I'm fucking walking out to a fight and Joe Rogan be like, yeah, Max did this, this and this, but you know, he's a little bit older now.

Like I'd be fucking, I would be distraught. You know what I mean? I'd be like, what the fuck? I don't want fucking Joe Rogan tug my ass walking out of the fight like that You know retire on top man retire on top listen, brother It's been an amazing time as a person who loves the sport to watch you rise. Thank you Thank you incredible to have seen you fight from the very first from yeah Been incredible man and just congratulations on just the greatest knockout of all time

Thank you epic performance. It was amazing. I can't I can't wait to see you in there again. Thank you, buddy Thank you. Thank you. Tell everybody how they can watch your streams where they can find you social media all that shit brother Instagram Twitter or X now at bless him and me and then I'm a stream kick calm backslash max Holloway We stream Gambo. stream first-person shooters I'm apex legend shooter so come see me if you want to play come see him all right beautiful thank you brother bye everybody