The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #159 with Quinton "Rampage" Jackson

Episode Date: July 9, 2024

Joe sits down with Quinton "Rampage" Jackson, a mixed martial artist, co-host of "The Jaxxon Podcast," and entrepreneur. https://linktr.ee/rampagejackson4real Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The Joe Rogan Experience. Trained by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. What's up Quentin? What's up man? Good to see you sir. Yeah, good to see you. Cheers. Good to be here.

So tell me about your drink. What is this? It's called F3? Yeah, F3. It's a newer energy drink. It got like supplements and stuff in it. Oh, this is good. Yeah Uh ginseng bcaa's

Theanine, okay good for the brain What the hell is theanine? I don't know what it's a nootropic It's in uh this gum This gum neuro gum. Yeah. Yeah, I take a bunch of different brain supplements. Doesn't make your dick hard though. No doesn it doesn't help there. Oh, I've been looking for something. There's other stuff for that. But how good would it be if you can drink Dick Hardener? I'm sure they have it. I'm sure there's like a Viagra soda somewhere, Thailand or some shit.

I'm sure in Thailand. Maybe Russia. I'm sure so. Jamie, Google dick hard soda. If you can get Carl to sit still for a second. Can you think about that? You don't have to take a pill, you just drink it. The girls have no idea. I bet there's like a cocktail that you can buy at a bar.

Why you call it cocktail though? Well that's what they called them. I didn't invent it. But if there was like a cocktail, yeah that's what they would call it the cocktail I want to spit all over you. It's okay. This table looks good with a little bit of stains on it. You find anything? Dick hard soda? It's it's giving me like cocktails that people have you know made that have Viagra in them

They're just suggest no no they just have alcohol and they call them like get your dick hard oh Viagra falls but there's no sodas or anything with Viagra that have probably it have to be in another country yeah they probably wouldn't have that here because you have to have a prescription that's the only thing this this need they've got everything else and this is green tea that's where the caffeine come from green tea and ginseng too caffeine come from. Green tea. And ginseng too. Yeah, I can drink like two or three of these a day,

it don't bother me. I love it. That's nice. Dude, the first time I saw you fight was in like 2000. Yeah, about 2000. I saw you fight Marvin Eastman. My first fight, my first professional fight? Was that your first professional fight? Yeah, you saw that at King of the Cage? Yup, I saw you fight Marvin Eastman. My first fight, my first professional fight? Was that your first professional fight?

Yeah, you saw that, in King of the Caves? Yup, I was there live. You was there at King of the Caves? Yup. Wow. Yeah. You saw me get my ass kicked. You didn't get your ass kicked.

I did. Nah, you just lost. Yeah. Marvin Eastman was fucking good. Man, yeah, I was lied to, by the way. Oh, really? Yeah, they was doing him a favor, and they told me the guy was just a kickboxer

You know I was a wrestler. I was like I'm just gonna take this guy down. It was a two weeks notice fight. Oh wow Yeah, he kickboxed too. Yeah, I Didn't know about the wrestling I knew he was a kickboxer. He kicked me in the head. I was like damn That's my only time ever getting kicked in the head. Really? Yeah my whole career go back watch my fights I know that's crazy. I learned a lesson. I never got kicked in the head again. Wow.

Yeah, he could wrestle and he could kickbox. And he was built like a tank. Yeah, that's why he was my first fight in the UFC. Cause I don't know if you know about this, but Dana White bought an organization just to get me. Cause I left Pride and I went to WFA. Oh, okay. And my manager at the time,

he became like the president of WFA, so he had to stop being my manager. And I fought and then the company folded and Dana bought the whole company so I can come over. So this was when you were leaving Pride, when the UFC had bought Pride? This was before. Oh. I left I

left pride right when they was going down mmm when the UFC bought pride they thought they were buying a whole organization and they didn't they didn't get anything but a library they got a video library that's all they got all the contracts were bullshit everything was bullshit that's why they never got fador and that's why I think well it's like they honored people's contracts some people got great contracts like Mark Hunt apparently got a great contract Alistair a lot of these guys that came over had great contracts but it was crow cop remember crow

cop came over but it was the whole thing was all fucked up you know it was run by the mob yeah it's crazy what was it like being over there? Man, it was crazy. It was surreal. I remember the first time I noticed that the mob had something to do with Pride. I saw these guys walking down the hallway, like when we was doing the piss test. And I was coming back from the bathroom with my cup,

and I just see these guys walk around in nice expensive suits. And then everybody just put their head down, put their back against the wall and just bow. Whoa. I was like, what the fuck is going on? You know, culture shock, I had no idea. Right.

And then after a while I asked somebody like, oh, those are the bosses, those are the y'all. Did they have missing fingers? And some of them did. You see some of that shit over there. Bro. It was crazy. That is a crazy way to gain entry.

Fucking saw your finger off. I thought that if you did something bad. Yeah, if you fucked up, right? I had a friend out there, his name was 36, and the guy took a liking to me. And he was super cool, all tatted up. And I guess he was rich as fuck. When he found out I had like little Japanese kids,

he said, hon, your son needs this and he it was like a gold samurai helmet he said yes, this has to stay in your son's house and I showed it to my my my ex-wife. She was my wife at the time. She said oh, yeah I was gonna have to give him this he saved me a lot of money Yeah, I said how much is something like this cuz she said probably thirty forty thousand dollars Wow, he gave me a,000, $40,000. He gave me a gift, and he had like a missing. Missing pinky finger?

Yeah, but he was a cool dude. What do they do, they chop off one digit or two? How many digits did he chop off? Chopped off the first? Yeah, he just had the first one chopped off. Yeah, it's like, if you fuck up again, then it's the second one. I don't know, maybe it's a go to the other hand,

I would think. I don't think he would fuck up no to the other hand, I would think. I don't think you would fuck up no more after that though. Would you fuck up twice? I mean, you don't fuck up on purpose, I would assume. Yeah, yeah, you never know about that. I mean, it depends on how strict they are. What is a fuck up for those guys? You have no, I have no idea.

It's a crazy culture. It's crazy. I love it though, I could live there. Yeah? Yeah, plus I heard that, you know, their population is dying off. They ain't making babies. They're actually asking people to come over there and fuck. Man. The fuck I'm doing here? I just got back from there. I was trying to fuck, you know, I was trying to be good because, you know, I'm trying to,

you know, see somebody. I was trying to be good good So I ain't fucked none. I ain't fucked none this time the first time going to Japan. I ain't fucked nut Damn trying to be good for once in my life. They love Americans over there. Yeah. Oh wow Tell me tell me you've been there though. I've only been there for one day just for the UFC and right back home How could you do that? How do you go there? Just that's a long flight. I had to too busy Yeah, I just didn't have any time for anything else. But it was beautiful. It's interesting how clean everything is. So clean and orderly.

And everybody like, so many people walking on the street, nobody's bumping into anybody. Everybody's like very polite. Yeah, they're very polite. But they're like robots, bro. I remember one time when I was fighting there, and this one guy on the other side of the street recognized me, but he wasn't sure,

and he was riding a bike, and he was looking at me, and he wasn't paying attention to where he was going, and he fucking smacked the other side of the street recognized me, but he wasn't sure he was riding a bike He was looking at me It wasn't a pen change the way he was going and he fucking smacked in the back of the truck and fell down This bike we all laugh and I asked how but the Japanese people no one laughed No one tried to help him up and none of he was hurt kind of bad And I would have went over there try to help him but it was like a busy streets I like and I don't even help them no one even help. They just kept on just kept walking one dude stepped over him Oh, Jesus just kept walking. no one laughed though. That's Fuck me. Oh, we was laughing ass. Oh, you don't hear about a lot of Japanese comedians

No, I heard that the ones that they do have they come from Osaka not Tokyo. Oh Is looser? Yeah, I've been Osaka before and they laugh and crack jokes, you know, I married a Japanese woman, right? So I kind of learned a little bit about them. They they're very serious. Really? Oh, yeah, especially in Tokyo They're very serious. You got to be careful with jokes and stuff They're like she she learned to be funny after a couple years of being with me and then she started joking then she actually got pretty Good. I'm like damn she's not hurting my feelings But she was good I remember once I was joking back create? But she was good, I remember one time we was joking back and forth and she was laughing

then I made a joke about her dad and she's, don't you talk about my father. I was like damn, my bad, I thought we was joking. So they just take everything serious, they don't understand the concept of jokes. You know, our movies, our comedy movies don't go there to Japan, just our action movies and stuff. Interesting.

You didn't know that? No, makes sense though, that they just, different culture, they're more stoic. Just a completely different society. Yeah, but I'm gonna go over there and make a whole bunch of babies though. They need me. They do.

They need me. I'm gonna make me a bunch of babies and if they boys, put them in the MMA. Yeah, I think they have a drastic reduction in their population for some reason. It's so bad, I forget what the guy estimated, but there was a guy who analyzed all the people that are alive today in Japan

and how many of them would have grandchildren. And it's a shockingly low number. I wonder what's the reason though, why? That's a good question. Probably, I think they like video games. You know, that's a problem with young people. Bro, I love video games too, but I also love pussy. You can play a couple games and then later on at night get some ass.

I don't understand. I think they just locked in. I don't know. I don't know what's going on. Well, I thought it was rejection like like people are so afraid of rejection over there Like a guy go and hit on the girl and she rejects him like you probably won't hit on that girl Yeah, for like next couple of months or years. Oh, really? It's really bad, especially if she rejects him in front of other people. Oh, it's an honor thing Embarrassment. Yeah, it's an embarrassment thing. That's why I kind of think it is. That's why that's why I think it is.

Jamie, see if you can find something on Japan's dwindling population. Because it is kind of crazy. And I got a couple of friends that's married out there and and one of my friends We were just having a conversation. His name is Tyson. He's an African guy and he owns a bar out there and I've been going to this bar for over 20 something years after all my fights I used to go into this bar and we got to know each other really well. And he was talking, he was saying, if you love a Japanese woman

and you marry a Japanese woman, do not give her a pet or kids. Because if you give her a pet or kids, you never fucking again. I'm like, I was married to a Japanese woman I didn't have it. I didn't have that problem. Maybe it's just him No, that's what I thought and then he said oh, you don't believe me and he exes Japanese guys and couple other guys There was their American guys as married. They said yeah, they all said the same story. How weird this is in the AP four weeks ago about

birth rate declining and population decline. This says, surveys show young Japanese are increasingly reluctant to marry or have children discouraged by bleak job prospects, the high cost of living, which rises at a faster pace than salaries, and a gender-biased corporate structure or corporate culture that adds an extra burden only on women and working mothers. Japan's population of more than $125 million is projected to fall by about 30% to $87 million by 2017. That's crazy. With four out of every 10 people 65 years of age or older. Whoa. That's nuts. That's a big drop, man. That doesn't really give a reason why. Falls to a record low.

Interesting. Yeah, I heard they paying niggas to go over to have babies. Fuck that. They're encouraging people to go over there and buy houses too. Apparently it's really easy to buy a house and you can get a nice house for like fairly low money, it's safe.

Yeah, it's cheap too. Yeah. It's a beautiful culture. I don't think I could ever live any place that doesn't crack jokes. Yeah, yeah. I beautiful culture. I don't think I could ever live any place. It doesn't crack jokes Yeah, yeah, I need fun. Yeah, I'm too used to it. You know I've had fun for too long But I tell you what those yuccas are They funny though. They like Americans. Oh, I'm sure they not like the rest of them

Oh, so you be hanging around much of those motherfuckers. Yeah, but I don't fuck up. I like my pinkies They wouldn't fuck with you like that, okay, yeah, yeah, maybe I just hang out with them I'm in one time. I had a meeting with a big yakuza boss. This guy was the biggest Japanese guy ever met He was like a look like he was like six six and he was like ripped like twice my size Very muscular and when I met him it was right after I did that a rona slam Mm-hmm, and I got really popular in Japan What year was that? That was that was actually 20 years ago. Oh 20 years ago. I did on my I did on my 26th birthday

Dude that is to this day the greatest slam in the history of this board and a lesson for everybody that hangs on to a triangle When I do it's picking you all you had to do was let go of my head. All he had to do. I couldn't have picked him up. And other guys did that with you. I forget who tried to get you in a triangle afterwards. It was Vanellay. He grabbed my leg after that. Yeah. But you know, I did that to Sakuraba, but it didn't knock him out. I slammed Sakuraba a couple of times. It was from an arm bar and stuff though. Sakuraba was so tough. Oh yeah, I saw him a couple weeks ago. Here it is right here. Bro, this is the absolute craziest

because you threw him over the top of your head like a pillow. I mean, it's the greatest KO slam of all time. I thought he was dead. I remember watching it. I was like, oh my God. Wait, he didn't hold it back in my head, did he? No, he didn't hold shit. Oh shit, all these years I thought he was holding, okay, then he let it go, he didn't hold it back in my head, did he? No, he didn't hold shit.

Oh shit, all these years I thought he was holding, okay, then he let it go, he was punching. No, as soon as you get that left hand involved, so he's punching you, you scoop under and get that left hand involved. He's holding on to something. Look at this, boom. When you connected your two hands like that

and slammed down, holy shit, because you think about it, man, you got your whole body like this and slam down, holy shit cuz you think about it man You got your whole body like this and he's over the top of your head. That's so much force That may be the hardest anybody's ever been hit in this sport. Yeah That was yeah, because look at the amount of travel that he does. Yeah, bro. You got him like 12 feet in the air Look at that and he goes straight and you were powerful as fuck back then. And all the speed and force you're generating. Oh my God. And then you hit his head. Head to head. You guys collided heads. Yeah. He head butted me. A lot of people saying I head

butted him. That's what knocked him out. But he was already knocked out. His head bounced off the, off the canvas and hit me. He's not going to stay conscious from that kind of a slam. That's, that's what the craziest slam ever. He didn't fight much after that either, did he? No. You think he was embarrassed or what? I think he was never the same. I think when a guy gets knocked out like that it's probably different than any head kick, any knee to the head, anything. It's a car accident. Bro, I felt bad because he was a great fighter. He was. He really was. He was tough. Very good jiu-jitsu, strong as hell. I was losing that fight up until then,

because he was kicking the shit out of my leg. And I didn't even want to check that, I didn't even want to check that his kicks was coming so hard. I fought K-1, and I fought a lot of kickboxes, but his kicks is the hardest by far. Wow, really? Yeah, oh yeah. Every time he would kick me,

I was acting like it didn't hurt. And after the third kick, I remember thinking in my head, like I don't know if I can keep acting like this shit don't hurt Because I didn't want to show him in my face, right? But got the hardest leg kicks I ever felt have you seen that new stupid thing that they're doing like slap fight I get a leg kick each other. No, I have no no no. No, I haven't seen that shit. This is a new one Have you seen Jamie? I? Could send it to you if you want me to I sent it to Dana It's yeah, they're having slap fight competitions, but leg kicks

These dudes are staying in front of each other just teeing off leg kicks. That's dangerous. Oh, it's horrible Yeah, that could you find a Jamie I'll send it to you Here you go. I can fuck you up real bad. Oh, it's rough. It's rough to watch And some guys are kicking like right, you're supposed to kick the thigh, but some guys are kicking really kind of like right above the knee and buckling. And you just stand there, you can't even move. You have to just eat it. I wouldn't, I wouldn't, no, that's not my shit. How you feel about that slap fighting though? I don't, I'm fully in support of anybody doing whatever the fuck they want to do I'm like if you could bull ride if you could BMX jump and skateboard and all that crazy shit where people breaking their necks here it is

They're standing in front of each other. I feel like you should be able to do anything, but I wouldn't do it Cuz getting hit is it should be rare and you should avoid it look look do kick them in the leg Then grab the top his head. Yeah, I would have smacked him just for that. I think they're friends. Oh. It's like, sorry, bro. You know? That dude tapped out.

The last one he tapped out. They got a bunch of them in there. Oh, no, I didn't hear that. They just stand in front of each other and slam each other in the knee. Or slam each other in the thigh. Yeah. It's a good time for MMA and all this.

I saw the karate comeback with Basri. Oh yeah. That's entertaining. Did you see the guy get that scissor kick? Yes, Rafael the Turner, that guy's badass, man. And he fought James Vick, who, James Vick's been KO'd a bunch of times now. It's like, he might not wanna do this anymore

because that one was a bad one. Switch kick. Yeah, he was out for a while, of times now. It's like he might not want to do this anymore because that was a bad one. Switch kick. Yeah, he was out for a while, it looked like. It was horrible. Perfect kick though. Did you see that, Jamie? I'll send you that. That shit was incredible.

I mean, I'd always wondered when someone was going to pull that one off in a fight. Like kick to the leg and then up kick right afterwards. Man, he did that shit perfect. Oh, it's flawless. Up kick right afterwards. He did this hit perfect. Oh, it's flawless The KO is so nasty The karate combat The whole that guy Rafael the turn there it is right before that watch watch this switch

It's so crazy the way he does it. We way he sets it up. He right kicks, boom! I mean perfect, perfect. Yeah, that was crazy knockout, crazy. That guy's super athletic. I never heard of either of those guys. He used to fight in the UFC. I don't know what happened, I don't know why he's not in the UFC anymore, but man.

He should go back now? They're gonna test him. They're gonna test them I don't know why he left the UFC. I don't know if he had an issue. I'm not sure good Friday though Yeah, but man, that's crazy. It is it's interesting. We watch in an organization that tests versus don't test too, right? Yeah, you know how you feel about that To two thoughts one I like to see older athletes compete. And if you get a guy who's like 35, 36 years old, if you let him juice, if you let him use testosterone,

if you just do it sensibly, not crazy, but if you can go to a doctor, make sure it's only administered by a doctor so they're not self-administering, and make sure they test them to make sure they're not above a certain level, I don't have any problem with that. But when you get guys like what Vitor did, Vitor just fill them up, doc. He blew the fuck up. He just like take it to my eyeballs, just fucking, and man, when he was TRTV tour to fans, when they talk about it, like that was an era.

That era, when he was on a tear, when he knocked out Luke Rockhold and knocked out Biss Bing, and he was fucking everybody up, dude. He was fearless, but he was also like heavily enhanced. You know, he was not a normal human being. I remember the time when it was legal. Yeah. Yeah, and they fucked it up,

because I tried that shit after I got beat by John Jones. I was like, fuck, I must be getting old. And I tried it, and it helped me out a little bit. Then they outlawed it. I said, fuck, I guess I'm back to the old me. Yeah, they outlawed it. There was a lot of guys on it. And a lot of guys were abusing it.

Some guys got pulled from fights because they test them the day of and they're like, there's no fucking way. You are so high, this is crazy. Nate Marquardt, they actually stopped the fight. They stopped it from happening. Yeah, they canceled the fight. Yeah, you know, pride, they never tested.

They, well, Ensign Inouye told me that they had in capital letters, we do not test for steroids in the contract. Yeah, but they'll test you for like weed and cocaine and all that shit. That's hilarious. But they wouldn't test you for steroids. So they tested you, they just didn't test you

for anything that would actually help you fight. It seems like they kind of encouraged it. Oh yeah, they definitely encouraged it. They did with a guy I know, he went over there and he was, you know, about, he wanted to fight at 170, he was like, no, you fight at 185, and they're like, we'll give you steroids. Everybody thought I was on steroids

when I was fighting over there. Well, you just had great genetics. Some people have great genetics, and some people need steroids. Yeah, I always tell people, look at me and look at some of the other fighters, you can look at my body and tell that I wasn't on this shit. Well, the difference is when they get tested.

Like when the pre-USADA and post-USADA days are so interesting. Because even though they outlawed testosterone, still guys like Overeem, there's not a chance in hell that guy was natural. He was not natural at all. There's no way. No way. Especially when he fought Brock Lesnar, but somehow know they passed the test But the test the day of like the day out like the Wayans test

That's nonsense that is nonsense like all the benefits are still there and all the stuff is out of your system, bro It's crazy. I used to fight over there with Alistair right and he was like the bony 205. Yeah, he was thin. It was then then one day. I saw my Fuck you doing he's at horse meat Yeah, he was powerlifting you remember when he got up to like 265, you know when he won the K1 Grand Prix I mean you couldn't hit him. He was a mountain It was just covered behind muscle You know K1 style when they fight with like the ear muffs on when they're standing there like he was just covered behind muscle. And you know, K-1 style, when they fight with the earmuffs on, when they're standing there,

he was just, there was no chin. You couldn't see it in there. He was a bad muffle. He won it too, didn't he? Yeah, he won the Grand Prix, which is crazy. He was a bad, I was always worried I was gonna have to fight him in pride, but I don't know why they never put me against him.

Bro, when he fought Brock Lesnar, if they kept the testing that way, he might have been the heavyweight champion. He might have stayed the heavyweight champion, too I mean he was hard to handle at that way. He was so big and he had those elite kickboxing skills You know, I remember when he fought I guess it was strike force when he fought Brett Rogers You can see the moment he hits Brett Rogers with one low kick and you can see it in Brett Rogers phrase like oh Shit, like this is different. This is so different. He was so scary man. Yeah fuck big tall motherfucker

I would like to see him Go against John Jones. I would have loved to send that back in the day But if if again you let him fight enhanced because the difference between him enhanced and unenhanced He became an average fighter. Yeah but John was enhanced too though if they would have went against each other both enhanced? At the time. At the time. So you think John was enhanced? Yeah I think it's proven. Really because of the whole thing with the pico grams whatever the fuck that shit is? Well you know I don't pay a whole lot attention to it but I just thought he got popped So I assumed that he was he did but the problem that he got popped with there were so

Miniscule levels that it didn't make sense. He don't look he don't look like somebody does steroids. Yeah. No, no, he doesn't But neither did Lance Armstrong He probably he probably doing something different though Lance. No, he was doing testosterone I mean he was definitely doing that too. They, those guys were doing, he was doing a lot of shit. They do everything they can when they do that tour de France. Doctors say that it's actually healthier

to do that thing on steroids than it is to not be on steroids. Cause your body just can't recover. Cause you're biking for hours and hours and hours, day after day, it's a fucking crazy event. I think if you biking and doing shit like that, let them do steroids. But fighting, I'm against that shit.

Right, it's different. Yeah, football, boxing, MMA, shit like that. But football, you know they're doing something. Yeah, you know they're doing it. But those guys are gigantic. Yeah, but I think if you got full contact against another human, I think it should be outlawed. But baseball, I wouldn't give a fuck.

It would only make it interesting. And basketball, I wouldn't care. Right, who cares? Who cares? Yeah, especially their professional athletes. They have a small window of opportunity. They have like 10, 15 years at most where they can compete at their very best.

Yeah, let those guys juice. Juice them up. Yeah, let them do it, help them out how to do it safely. But fighting, because you can hurt somebody, because some people are totally against it. Well, the only way it makes sense in fighting is if everybody agrees. You know, like if you agree, but if you're cheating,

you know, if you're just jobbing the tests, and you know, you got a good scientist that works with you and you're figuring out a way to rig everything, nah, that's not good. Yeah. You know, I'm against good scientist that works with you and you're figuring out a way to rig everything. Nah, that's not good. Yeah. You know, I'm against it because I fought a few guys that was on steroids when I was fighting in Pride. Who'd you fight that was like the most obvious on steroids?

For me, I felt like it was the most obvious was Kevin Randem and RIP. I don't ever want to talk ill of Big Bro, but Mark Coleman, he's honest about it. Yeah. They were doing something, and Vanellay for sure was on that shit. For sure. For sure.

For sure. For sure. Bro, he fought like he was on it. Oh my God. He fought like he had rabies. Bro, that guy was so vicious. He just walked around mad the whole time. You know, all the fighters in Japan was scared of him. That's why he didn't like me,

because I was never afraid of him. The first time I had to run in with Vanellay, we were all staying at the same hotel, and I'm walking back from press, and I get in on the elevator with my corner man, and the elevator opens up, and there's Vanellay in there with two of his corner men, and I just, I don't notice him,

I just walk on the elevator, and I turn around, and my two corner men took off. So I'm in the elevator by myself with Manole. And he looked at me like I was crazy because I didn't take off with them. Like he seemed like he was mad that I was breathing his same air in the fucking elevator. He was like, what are you doing?

And they was talking shit in Portuguese and stuff like that. I was like, I ain't afraid of no motherfucking body. I was a kid then too, but I just never been afraid of anybody. After I meet my two-corner man, what the fuck never been afraid of anybody didn't after I meet my Touch me oh, that's so ridiculous. I would have never trusted those dudes again But I was I was cool, but he never liked me.

Were you there when he had that fight with Charles Crazy Horse Bennett in the back room? No, I wasn't there. Apparently the story is Crazy Horse knocked him out cold. Yeah, I heard that. That's the story is. The story is they ganged up on Crazy Horse. Crazy Horse was a wild dude. That dude was crazy.

He was fun. I remember I got drunk with Crazy Horse was a wild dude. That dude was crazy. He was fun. I remember I got drunk with Crazy Horse one night. Me and I think it was Eddie Bravo went to see Brock Lesnar's first professional fight in LA at the Coliseum. Was it with the UFC? No, no. I think it was with K-1.

I think it was a K-1 fight in Los Angeles. I might have been there. Hoist Gracie fought that night. I think Hoist Gracie fought Sakuraba, if I remember correctly. Was that a rematch? I thought he fought. Yes. Oh, okay. Yes.

I wasn't there. I don't think I was there. And he beat him, and Hoist was a little saucy. He got caught. Hoist beat Sakuraba in the rematch? Yeah, but Hoist was saucy. They caught him in the piss test. If I remember correctly, check to see if that's true, but I sat was saucy they caught him in the piss test if I remember correctly Check to see if that's true, but I sat right next to crazy horse

Just me and him got fucked up the entire show that guy's crazy. He had fun. He's funny, man Yeah, we had a lot of laughs, but he was a wild dude. You know what he's doing now What's he doing? He's in Thailand fighting for fight circus. You heard about them? No, man, he's fighting like two two motherfuckers at the same time two tie dudes at the same time I said man this man. This should look fun. I want to do that shit. How big are the tie dudes? They're his size he's fighting two on one two on one in Thailand I just pay a lot of money or something. I don't know how much they pay I did a two-headed boxing match with Bob sap after that I didn't get paid much money

But you know I was doing it for fun. So you and him versus somebody else? Yeah, me and Bob Sapp in a two man t-shirt. We can only, I can only use my right hand. He can only use his left hand, and we fought two dudes. That shit was so fun. Oh, that's crazy. Man, that was the most fun I ever had in the ring, bro. Just ridiculous?

Yeah, it was fun. Fight circus is crazy. What does this say, Jim? Oh yeah, he tested positive for fighter Tim Percy tested positive for methamphetamines That's my friend and hoist Gracie tested positive for nandrolone Shut the fuck up Tim Percy is my my high school. I mean my college wrestling. He's my roommate in college No shit, so did he fight who did he fight who else was in the in the card? Let me see there was some the fuck Who else fuck? Fight who did he fight who else was in the end that card? Let me see there was some the foot

Who else fuck? the original let's see Prefile scroll back up to the card again, please let me see who was on that card because there was one crazy KO where there was like football player Johnny Morton right he fought a guy who was a comedian that guy Bernard

Akak a Japanese how do you say his name? Akka a Japanese born Taekwondo practitioner kickboxer mixed martial arts and comedian yeah that guy fuck Johnny Morton up It was horrible the comedian fuck somebody. Oh, yeah And comedian, yeah that guy fucked Johnny Morton up. It was horrible. The comedian fucked somebody up? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know how good his comedy is,

but he can fuck people up. I'll tell you that. Jake Shields was on that card. He won by rear naked choke. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, Sakuraba was on there. Yep.

So Hoyce beat Sakuraba, but then tested positive. This was supposed to be on the card. Ray Sefo and Marvin Eastwood dropped from the card with no explanation given. That was supposed to be on the card. Gina Carano. Oh, Gina Carano. So that was a K-1, right? Yeah. That was like up until...and Brock Lesnar won real quick. That was his first fight ever. Yeah. But so Crazy Horse was backstage and I guess all the shoot the box guys got into it with crazy horse and

Didn't Christian Marcelo He I think he choked crazy horse out with a triangle put him in a triangle afterwards, too Yeah, I heard this so crazy horse apparently knocked out Vanderlei and then got choked out and then he went fought and Or had he went fought and or I did Eddie already fought I don't I don't remember by her ventilate fought after he got knocked out I did after got out cold fought and won the one by decision What did he fight that time you remember? Let's find out. Let me see van de Lee's record. I'll tell you when I see it Because you could tell he was like fighting a little cautious You know, like maybe didn't want to get hit bro. That's crazy. What if they had cameras back there in the locker rooms

I think there is video footage of it. I'm pretty sure this footage. There's definitely footage of Marcelo Choking out crazy horse because he gets him in a triangle with his jeans on I remember watching it Yeah It wasn't Mergo crow cop. I think it might have been Fujita No, that's not it because he won that one by soccer kicks Does he have any that he won by decision right here? Maybe it was no he lost to Arona. Is it that is that possible that it was that maybe should look for the same card with

Crazy horse he beat him he lost same card with crazy horse any beat him He lost to Arona, and then he beat him decision split. I wonder if it's that one Wonder what's that one private shot click on pride shockwave 2005. Let's see who else is on that card is crazy horse on that card Charles Bennett Yeah, yeah, yeah, yep. That's the one that's the one that's the one he fought Arona and he won a decision and I remember why whose crazy just look at that video crazy horse staring at the camera that's click on that see if that's is that a highlight of crazy horse yeah bro crazy horse had power yeah I mean he just put people

asleep he put a lot of people to sleep compact power too yeah he never went to the UFC though huh nope he can't get his shit together he's just he's a wild fella I mean he fought with gold teeth. He fought with a gold grill in, and then he had a mouthpiece on top that was gold too. But I don't even know where he trained. I forgot where he was from, Texas or somewhere, was it? I don't remember, but I mean, it did not have the ultimate skillset.

He just had crazy power, and he was just wild. Very wild. And strong, very strong. He didn't have that much jujitsu though, huh? No, it wasn't that good on the ground, but on the feet, I mean, I don't think he ever submitted to anybody that I can remember, but he fucked a lot of people up, man.

Anybody that stood in front of that dude went night night. And you could see it, once he hit him one one time the difference in the power they'd be like oh god it's crazy power like that is really crazy when Pete some people just have just like did you watch the light heavyweight title fight this weekend oh my god oh my god bulletin man Alex Barrera that fucking powers nuts you know what I was thinking like How would I would have done if I was in my prime fighting somebody like that? You'd be honest you have very good wrestling skills. That's the difference is you're very strong

You're you are always a very strong light heavyweight, and you had very good wrestling skills You know he hasn't really fought anybody that's an elite wrestler yet You know I mean think about who is he fought that could really wrestle Prohaska is like a he's he's got crazy KO power It's got good karate skills, and he did win by choking out Glover He did win with it with a choke, so it's not he doesn't have skills, but he's not you know he's not some Daniel Cormier type dude was just an elite wrestler I'm thinking is the video footage of the fight cuts off on the fight, so it's gotta exist somewhere else

But this is a documentary about crazy horse, but is it behind the scenes it shows like a picture of them It says can't show the footage as youtuber restrict the footage what YouTube restricts fights It would it could age restrict the video in the bright train not to have that oh so they're just showing it so he catches him in a triangle with jeans on chokes him to sleep out cold with his phone in his hand okay what is that oh that's the past yeah so he wakes him up he's like oh shit they shouldn't have had him in that locker room with them anyway. No chance, yeah, that's a terrible idea.

And there's Vandalee. He's talking about it? Yeah, he's in an interview with him talking about it. He said Vandalee says he just turned and hit me. Oh, he's trying to say he got sucker punched. Probably did, but also, they were probably talking a lot of shit, and they probably thought they could keep talking shit before getting hit,

and crazy horse. But what was his corner man, who was with them? I think they probably thought they could keep talking shit before getting hit, and Crazy Horse was. What was his corner man? Well, who was with them? Well, I think they just thought they'd get away with it. They probably didn't think he was gonna swing on them, especially since Charles was, he was light. What did he fight at? Probably 55s?

Probably something like that. Something like that? Yeah, and Van Der Lee was a big 200. Yeah, 205, he was a big 205. Yeah, but I was talking about maybe like when I, the era, the rampage when I fought Chuck Liddell. I probably wouldn't have tried to take Alex down. I probably would've still with him.

I probably would've tried until he started fucking me up down, like oh shit, then it's time to take him down. Did you ever fight anybody who calf kicked you? Yeah, Forrest. Forrest Griffin did, yeah? Yeah, the first two rounds. I think the first round, he fucked my calf up.

I'd never seen that kick before. Really, interesting. Never even trained against it. Because that was 2008. Eight, interesting. My worst year ever. Yeah, he calf kicked the shit out of me. I was like, what the fuck?

What the fuck is this? This shit was hurting. Yeah, no one does it like Alex Pereira does. He does it so sneaky. It's also, he's got that crazy long frame, you know, but he stands almost like square and then just throws the leg out. Like you don't even see anything coming.

There's no tell at all. There's no like dip. There's no step. It just throws it out there and all of a sudden, ugh, you see guys legs get fucked up. One or two of them and you can't move good. And that guy, he just came out of nowhere just fucking people up.

Well I knew about him before because I watched kickboxing and I had seen him in kickboxing and I was like, if this guy comes in MMA everybody's fucked Because he was fucking everybody up with big gloves on he would hit dudes You could see that it was just like they had never been hit like that before He would like I remember the first time I saw him fought he KOed Dustin Jacoby and he hit him with a left hook That just spun his head around and I was like, oh my god. Yeah, I heard he had a crazy that hook That's his that's his main weapon like if you thought about one weapon that he

knocks everybody out with I mean that's the one he knocked Jamal Hill out with he the first fight with or the first knockdown with Uri the first fight with Uri he knocked him out with the left hook they got did he get out of Sanya he got him with a left hook yeah he gets everybody with that left hook yeah Yeah, but he's got, it's not like that's the only weapon he had, anything he hits you with, you're fucked. But if you know he got a big left hook, how come you don't train to just keep your hand up so you just look out for it?

Like that's what boxers do, I don't understand it. He throws a nasty jab to the body too, and that's one of the things he did with Urie. He throws this jab to the body, and it sounded like a right hand. It was just a blap, blap. It was like this fight he fought different than he fought the first fight. I think the first fight he let Urie get a little wild and then he was like trying to

find his openings. And this fight he was like, I'm going to shut all that wild shit down. It was a short notice fight for them too wasn't it? Yeah, a couple weeks. Just a couple of weeks. I think Urie got three weeks. And Alex when he found out about the fight, I believe he was in Australia doing seminars.

And they said, hey, do you wanna defend your light heavyweight title, International Fight Week in three weeks? And he's like, let me think about this for a little bit. So there's the left hook. Let's see this. Boom, fadeaway left hook. Yeah, fuck, it just got a lot of power on that hook. It see this. Boom! Fade away left hook. Yeah, fuck.

It just got a lot of power on that hook. It's crazy power. And he's tall, he's a big guy too, huh? He's huge. And there's the head kick. They should have stopped that fight the moment he went down. They shouldn't have let him eat all those extra shots.

I mean, he was done. I think Herb wanted to give him a chance because the first fight got stopped a little premature. The thing about that guy is, you can't let that guy hurt you because he'll hit you one more time And if he hits you one more time, you're gone. Yeah, but you know Sometimes you just be caught in the moment like people give me shit for hitting ventilate like three more times When I knocked him out, right UFC sometimes just get caught in a moment. Yeah, you don't even know what's happening No, yeah, you don't you don't's happening, right? Yeah, you don't know.

Also, that guy, you had history with that guy. Yeah, yeah. You know, you wanted to get that back. He deserved it, but I know I shouldn't have did it. If I would have been in my right mind, I wouldn't have gave him, because it's much cooler to have a walk-off knockout, you know? Right.

But I wouldn't have gave him those extras, but the day before, he pushed me at the weigh-ins. Yeah. And he talked shit to me, and you know how they didn't have that rules meeting or whatever? And he was talking shit to me, like I was scared of him. I was like, bro, come on.

I was like, I was in the zone. I guess he felt like, because he had beaten you twice, that it was gonna be, you know, you were in his head. Not only did he beat me, he gave me two of the worst ass whoopings I ever had in my career. And so he probably thought that was in the back of my head. But I think most time people get like that, you know, they get where, oh this guy got my number, blah blah blah.

I didn't have any of those feelings. I just knew, I always knew I could beat him. But the first two times I fought him, I think the first time I fought him, I had fought Chuck Liddell 45 minutes before. And then the second time, I went through this crazy religious thing where I got born again, first day of training camp.

Whoa. Yeah. What happened there? Craziest thing in my life. Craziest, I still, it's like, it's the craziest thing that ever happened to me. You know, back then I was a single parent. I had got custody of my son.

He was three years old and just overnight I was a dad. And I'm trying to fight in Japan and everything. And I don't, and after that, after that I run a fight. And like I was saying, I had got real famous in Japan. And then I was going out partying a lot and drinking. And I never became an alcoholic because I don't like alcoholics and stuff like that because my dad used to be one.

I always drank socially but then I started craving alcohol. So long story short, I think one thing led to another and one day I just had this crazy dream and I was at home and it seemed like it was a devil in my chest with his hands like this. I'll never forget having his hands in my chest and it had some female spirits around it. He was saying, it's okay, it's okay, it's okay. And I was like just laying there in my dream

and I heard a voice said, do you know this man? I was like, no. Then he said, well, you're not okay. What, it's not okay? I said, oh, and I jumped up and I went to go, I was scared as fuck. Now I'm a big bad motherfucker fucking jumped up and I went to go. I was scared as fuck. Now I'm a big bad motherfucker, fucking people up. And I was scared.

And I went to go wake my son up. And he said he was dreaming. He wouldn't tell me his dream because he didn't like me that much because I just got custody of him. I'm being the father figure, making him eat healthy and telling him knowing stuff a lot. So he wouldn't tell me a whole lot.

But he said he was dreaming. So my friend finally got out of him. He said when my dad woke me up, God and the devil was fighting. And God hit the devil with the sword. And when I woke him up, he just did like this. Just purged a lot of white pus out his mouth. What?

Yeah, crazy, true story. So I take him, that's not even the scary part. That wasn't what scared me. What scared me was I took him to preschool and I got back in my car and I must have left the radio on and as soon as I turned the radio on, it was a commercial on. I didn't know at the time what commercial was, but it said, the curse of such and such,

your soul is mine. That scared the shit out of me. I turned the radio off for six weeks. Like six weeks. I found out later it was a fucking commercial for revenge on a mummy ride and fucking six flags. That shit scared me straight. Hell yeah.

He thought it was the devil talking to you. Oh my God. Scared me straight bro. Wow. And then that night I couldn't sleep. Me and my son, we went to go sleep over at one of my friend's house. And this is what brought me to

being born again what Christians say. I had to piss and I was over my friend house. It was really dark. I told you I was scared. I couldn't sleep in my room. Me and my son sleep on the floor in my friend's room and I had to take a piss and my son was wet in the bed and he was lying a lot. I'm trying to teach him not to lie and teach him not to wet the bed and I was You were too scared to go to the bathroom That's so nuts Yeah and and I just would I did I pray to God cuz my dad my dad had just got saved like two years before he Say he was praying for me and I remember what my dad say he oh, when you pray to God, just say in Jesus' name. So I was like, God, I'm a coward right now. Just take this fear from my heart.

In Jesus' name, I love you, amen. And within two minutes, I was laughing and crying at the same time. And I received the Holy Ghost spirit. And I wasn't afraid. I went to use the restroom, my eyes were different, everything was different, right? That's the first day of training camp for Vanlele,

the second fight. And then, so I'm training for Vanlele, my coach thought I was crazy, he brought a preacher in, he thought I lost my mind, thought I was crazy, because you know how I was back then, I was saying a whole bunch of crazy shit, doing a whole bunch of crazy shit, and again, I didn't cuss anymore,

it just changed me right away. And then my coach found out I wasn't crazy, but it was the start of our relationship going south. And I started training for Vandalin, then got close to the fight, and I was like, I'm gonna kill this motherfucker, I'm gonna kill him. And I'm thinking in my mind, like,

I'm Christian now, I can't be thinking like that. It was the most confusing part of my life. And so I fasted like an idiot. I fasted for like three or four days because I read in the Bible, you fast, you get closer to God and all that stuff. And it's true, I got closer to God, but it wasn't a good idea to fast

before a fucking championship fight. And I went out there. How many days out from the fight were you fasting? Well, so I got to Japan, I think that Tuesday in the fight was that Sunday. So I think I broke my fast So I think I it was like four days before the fight right when I ended my fast But I think I fasted for three or four days. Whoa

Yeah, I never did and you were training while you were fasting. Yeah, how bad was that? Bro, I was on and I was in another place. It was the weirdest Weirdest thing I didn't have to cut weight. That's my first time I had to cut weight for my fight. Wow. I thought that was a good thing. But I thought I was doing good. I was winning the fight, then I got knocked the fuck out.

And I tried to cop it up to me faster. That's my excuse, I think. Well, it certainly would have drained your body to not eat for three days. I mean, if you're going for a performance, they say it's healthy for your body every now and then to take a few days off and not consume any food, but not before a fight.

Not before a fight, yeah. I mean, I wouldn't even say before camp. I mean, I would say, make it like you're out. Like, you got time. Yeah, I be trying to fast now for health reasons, and I can't even get past two days now. Yeah? Yeah, can't do it.

Do you eat a lot of carbohydrates? No, I cut that shit out. Yeah? Remember I got super fat. Especially my last fight with Fadar, my God. Yeah. I got super fat, I got mixed diagnosed with what, hypothyroid?

Mm-hmm. And they had me on this fucking medicine and shit and that shit fucked me up. And I started training with this crazy social media guy named Sean Rez. He's been my friend for years. I met him from one of my other friends. And I used to always see him, we used to kick it

and party and stuff like that, you know, go out drinking and we'd end up at his house with girls and stuff and hang out, and he was always ripped, like a Persian guy, but he looked like a fucking viking, right? So one day I asked the guy, I was like, man, how in the fuck you stay ripped like that all year round? And he told me, he said, man, this is what I do.

I said, you on that shit? And he said, no, I ain't on shit. And he said, I do two hours of cardio. He works out like two or three times a day, and he don't eat carbs. How often, Jesus Christ not that's my trainer That's my coach man. He changed my fucking life, bro. Damn. I lost that dude looks good I lost 30 pounds training with him. And so he does two hours of cardio

How often a week this motherfucker training like six seven days a week. So he does two two hours of cardio every day What? Well now I think he dropped it down to an hour now But when when I asked him he was doing two hours of StairMaster. And so I did it with him, right? This motherfucker is on like level 13. I'm over there on level four, like fucking dying. He's on level 13 for like fucking hours straight. Damn.

He's the strongest man I ever fucking met. Really? Yeah, he changed my life. And he don't take no shit. You know how I be trying to get out of shit? I'm like, no, you meet me at the gym at this mother fucker time, he don't give a fuck. But he changed my life and changed my diet.

So now I just, I don't know if it's like a carnivore diet, but I eat vegetables and stuff, but I mostly eat steak every day and sweet potatoes. Yeah, so like more of like, what would they call that? Paleo diet? Yeah, I just need what he tell me to eat. I think there's a lot of people that feel like the real problem that people have is with grains grains carbohydrates that come from bread

Pasta that kind of shit rice. Yeah, and then if you can cut all that out and just eat meat and vegetables You'll be way better off for I've learned by traveling where I went to Colombia to get on stem cells Mm-hmm, and I stayed there for like eight days. And I lose weight and I eat whatever the fuck I want. And I lose weight there. I could eat pasta, bread, whatever there. And I lost like 15 pounds in eight days. Over there getting bioaccelerator.

Yeah. Getting stem cells. At first I thought it was the stem cells. But one time I went there and I just went to hang out. I didn't get stem cells. Still lost 15 pounds. The food, American food is bad, bro terrible just filled with preservatives and bullshit and Seed oils and corn syrup and just shit why why they doing this like that man because they make money

They don't give a fuck the same thing is why they over prescribe medications the same thing why they send us off to war They don't give a fuck When when you allow people to make as much money as they possibly can they do almost every time especially Americans Almost every time they sacrifice people for money Yeah, I figured that's what it is all boiled down to money, but there's other ways to make money out first Yeah, but they started this shit in the 1960s man. They bribed sugar scientists. It was the 60s, right? Wasn't it when they did that? 50s? They bribed sugar scientists, they bribed scientists rather, to say that

sugar is good for you and saturated fats are bad for you. They tried to say that all these people having heart attacks and all the cardiovascular issues that people have that this is actually because of saturated fat, which is just not true. You're right. 1960s and such. 1960s, the sugar industry paid scientists to downplay the link between sugar and heart disease and instead promote saturated fat as the culprit. Sugar Research Foundation, now known as the Sugar Association, funded the research that

reviewed the scientific literature and set the review's objective. Sugar Research Foundation also provided materials for review and examined drafts before publication. Yeah, it was all bullshit. And fat is good for you. Fat is healthy for you, especially saturated fat. What? What are you saying? Yeah, fat from meat is really good for you.

Makes sense. Yeah, of course it makes sense. It's what human beings have been eating forever. It's what most indigenous tribes. That's what they try to get They try to get fat try to get meat and fat That's why people like Inuits before American food started American food now calling cigarettes started making its way to like the Inuit tribes They have very low instances of heart disease and they eat nothing but fat They're eating fat all the time. They're eating whale blubber and all kinds of shit like that seal It seems like it's just more natural. That's what's normal. It's food. It's real food That's this thought the stuff that you for like when people say that

Margarine is good for you. Margarine is fucking terrible for you you I can't believe it's not butter bitch I can believe it doesn't taste anything like butter it doesn't taste it's like got a buttery texture it's fucking terrible it's a big tub of seed oil that shit's awful for you there's also like there's a lot of people that try to link the consumption of seed oils and margarine shit like that to Alzheimer's that's when people started getting Alzheimer's disease and they started using that stuff instead of butter and margarine and shit like that to Alzheimer's. That's when people started getting Alzheimer's disease. And they started using that stuff instead of butter and margarine, or butter and fat. I remember hearing that it was from deodorant,

antiperspirant, that's not true? That's gotta be bad for you too. That scared me, because I don't wanna be funky though, but then I don't wanna be like, mine is like. You can use, there's deodorants that don't have aluminum in it. I take, I use a T's of Maine deodorant, but there's a bunch of other ones There's another one that I use Native natives real good. I'll use that but I used I used the order and I tried it

I'm a little moment my son my son is a hippie and he tried to get me in all this shit And I tried it you have a hippie for so that's yeah, my son Roger. He's um the one that was fighting mm-hmm He's a fucking hippie, bro. It will way Shit, this is like hippies, bro All-natural stuff he's like even more like mushrooms mushrooms are good for you. Well talk to Rashad about that I know I did Rashad is one of the most knowledgeable people I've ever talked to when it comes like mushroom supplements like reishi and lion's mane and all that stuff, he takes all those.

That's the healthy stuff, but he likes the mushrooms that make you trip and shit. He likes those too. Yeah, well it changed him into a totally different person. He's a different guy. Totally different guy. He's just like a sweet, at peace, calm guy. I think he's vegan now too.

He's a vegetarian. Vegetarian? He eats pussy and vegetables. Well, I can't knock on that because I'm a vegetarian myself. No, he's a vegetarian. I saw him not too long ago. You know, him and I talking about doing a boxing match

against each other in November. Oh really? Yeah, we trying to get that going. What is going on with you and Shannon McKenna? Bro, bro, this motherfucker called me out, soon as I got knocked out by Fador, he called me out and he said he was going to promote the fight. MMA guys, we not promoters.

Wasn't it before that? No, I don't remember. You guys weren't drawing at each other before that? No, I remember after that. Let's go champ. Yeah, and then we were supposed to fight and we finally had a show. We was gonna do it in Qatar,

but the guys that put it on, they didn't have to be fucking scam artists. And I was trusting them. I really liked the guys. They was cool people, but fast talkers. And like two months before I pulled out, Shannon was like, man, he was like, man, these guys are scammers, bro.

I'm like, man, you brought these motherfuckers to me. He's like, yeah, but I don't trust them no more, they're scammers. So I was like, man, they're gonna go this fucking, I was waiting to fight him. But I heard there's talk again. He's still trying, but I lost my faith in Shannon. I don't know if he's gonna get it done.

He talks a good game. I hope he get it done. If he ever gets it done, I'll be game to fight him. But right now, I guess my first boxing match is gonna be against Rashad. I need to get that win back. And where is that gonna be at? They was talking about in Atlanta.

Oh really? Yeah. For what organization? I'm not sure, but he said it was gonna be under the 1FC banner. That's what he's telling me. I'm waiting for my manager to talk to him. Interesting, 1FC does everything. That's an interesting organization.

Because they'll have an event with grappling, kickboxing, Muay Thai, and MMA. I like that. I love it. I like that fight that Mighty Mouse did with that Muay Thai guy. Yeah, Rod Tang, that was very interesting. His name is Rod Tang?

Rod Tang. Oh, okay. Rod Tang, yeah. he's a wild dude he's tough huh I see his clips on TikTok all he's dangerous takes a crazy shot too it's got an iron chin yeah yeah yeah yeah let's guys hit him come on motherfucker hit me that's crazy he kicked so fucking hard I guess those little guys they can do that though they can let people hit him some people you can't let crazy words hate you you yeah, you know Different people yeah, like poiton like when you see parada

There's not a fucking person in the world and get hit by that guy No, I won't let I won't let no big guy if I was no none two or five Two or five you watch Joe Pfeiffer fight at 85 who Joe Pfeiffer? He's on 303. Yeah He was the featured prelim of the undercard. He's one of the hardest fucking punchers ever I got I got to the fight late. I watched it when that girl got that cut. I watched that first fight Okay, he was before that I believe yeah cuz my Robueno Silva was in the main card on pay-per-view And Macy's she saw him. This is Joe Pfeiffer. This one with the white shorts. Yeah, this motherfucker can crack. Oh

My god, what weight class is that? 85, and he's huge. Yeah, 85. He's huge, but he don't look 85. I mean, he weighs 85 for about five minutes. That fucking dude's huge. Is he 85? Yes.

I met him for the first time in Saudi Arabia, and that guy was big as fuck. I was surprised when I saw him. He was like tall. He's tall as fuck, yeah. Tall and long, you know? And the dude he's fighting, Drekis Duplassi, that's another guy.

Like how the fuck do you weigh 85? I stand next to that guy, I'm like, how the fuck are you 185 pounds? They must be cutting from like 230, 220. Oh, he's cutting from a lot. He looks like a heavyweight. When you stand next to Drekis, he's a big wide motherfucker. He's thick

What's the weight class now in the UFC? What's the it weight class when I was there was 205? It's probably 205 right now, but the problem is Pereira is cleaned out the division. There's only an Koli of who's very good That's a good fight, but a lot of people don't know who he is It's not a like a big name fight Yuri Prochazka is a big name Yeah, everybody knows who he is got that crazy look with the the bun the samurai, but he shaved that shit off after the fight though Did it he's like that's what am I doing here with this thing? Yeah, they look kind of stupid though Well it you know it looked crazy when it got when he got hit cuz it bobs around Yeah, because the way he tapes it up and shit why you got tape it up is in the back of your he's not gonna get

You know it's not gonna get in your face, right? I don't think you should be allowed to have that because I think that gets in the way of stuff because if you're trying to like If you're trying to secure a choke you're trying to go over the top of the head There's like a thing there Yeah, like something it might get in it might for a split second might keep you from clasping your hands together for a split Second it might keep him from getting outping your hands together for a split second It might keep him from getting out of something. Yeah, it's in the way. Yeah, just braid it. Yeah

Yeah, yeah, don't put tape. I don't understand. I think he wants to be like a samurai Thinks themselves the Czech samurai. Oh, he's he's check. Yeah, I didn't know where the fuck he was from He's a wild dude. He's a wild dude and he hits hard as fuck But that's not good enough when you're fighting a guy that's that skilled bro I don't know where the fuck he was from. He's a wild dude. He's a wild dude. And he hits hard as fuck. But that's not good enough when you're fighting a guy that's that skilled. Bro, fighting Alex, I didn't like the way he had his hands down.

You don't fight a guy like Alex with your hands that low because it takes a while to get him up. Yeah. Well, he likes to fight that way because he lures people in exchanges and he hits so hard. And it works on everybody else. It worked on Rokic, it works on Dominic Reyes. Everybody else, you don't want that guy standing

in front of you. You know, because he lures you in exchanges and he's willing to take a shot to give a shot and his punches are so hard, but you can't do that with Pereira. Cause Pereira's a better kickboxer, hits harder, he's huge, and he's just too slick. He knows how to set things up.

He also knows it only takes one shot with him. Yeah, he should have learned that the first time he fought him, right? Get your hands up. Well, the thing about the first time is what he won the first round of the first fight. And then he was winning the second round before he got clipped. And he actually had Pereira in a little bit of trouble. There was some exchanges where he hit Pereira, had him moving backwards, but Alex is just too,

he hits you, it's too scary. Yeah, I was worried about Alex's chin, but that was at 85, we had to cut all that weight. You know you cut a lot of weight, that folds up your chin. 100%. And his chin at 85 was not the same. I mean, you gotta think of how much weight he was cutting.

He was weighing in at 85 and then fighting at 225. That's insane. That's 40 fucking pounds, man. In one day. In a day. That's insane. Man, I don't know how he did it. That weight cut is gonna take,

I think that's what fucked me up with my health. Yeah, when you get older, look at people like James Toney. You see how he looks now? Yeah. You remember where he used to fight at? Yeah, he's super middleweight. Yeah.

Yeah, I remember when he fought Roy Jones. I remember when he fought everybody. I mean, James Toney beat Evander at heavyweight. James Toney was a bad man. Bad man. Hard to hit too. But he cut a lot of weight, and I think that fucks up your metabolism or something down the line when you get older,

cutting all that weight and then putting it back on. Yeah, it does. It fucks you up. Yeah, I'm sure it does. I'm sure it does. It's terrible for your kidneys. Who else, what's that Prince I've seen? Have you seen him?

Yeah, he's big. Yeah, he's big. Like a lot of fighters go through that like Ricky Haddon. I think he got his self under control now. But he used to blow up and that fucks you up. Yeah, but it's also like fighters when they're not training and they're not fighting anymore, they just start eating. Oh man, yeah, I was bad for that.

Yeah, they just eat like crazy. You enjoy yourself because you have to be so disciplined in training camps. And then after that, you just, I used to always say, oh, I'm just gonna enjoy myself for like a week then get back and I'm never gonna get fat again. I used to say this shit all the time. Two weeks bro, two weeks I'm back fucking fat as fuck.

Isn't it crazy how quick it gets back on you? Especially if you're eating pizza and bullshit and if you're drinking. Oh yeah drinking. Drinking is number one. Drinking puts it on you quick. I think that's where Ricky Hatton was having a little bit of a problem.

That happens to a lot of fighters, especially guys who've got some brain damage. They really crave alcohol. There's something about your dopamine levels drop. And when you've had a significant amount of brain damage, you've been KO'd a bunch of times, a lot of guys lean towards alcohol to make them feel better But it's all you know, some people get KO'd and they're fine. I think those k1 guys. Mm-hmm They don't even look gunshot, you know when when ventilate knocked me out

That's my first time ever getting knocked out and I didn't go all the way unconscious I remember hanging on the ropes You remember that and I remember thinking like damn I just go all the way unconscious. I remember hanging on the ropes, you remember that? And I remember thinking like, damn, I just got knocked the fuck out. And I can remember everything. I was dangling on the ropes. I remember like blood dropping.

And then after that, I was gunshot all the way up to, when I come in to fight Chuck Liddell. And I remember those fights, I was gunshot. And I was like, man, I gotta fight Chuck Liddell. He's like one of the best strikers I've been up against. I need to bring somebody in to get me over this gunshot and I was like, man, I got to fight Chuck Liddell. He's like one of the best strikers I've been up against. I need to bring somebody in to get me over this gunshot. And that's how I met Chet Congo. Really?

Yeah, I met him at the UFC once before. He was like a big, scary-looking guy. Mm-hmm. And my manager called his manager, and we flew him from France over to that training camp. And he kicked the shit out of me. And I got over that gunshot and it was a great camp. Check Congo was a beast.

Remember that fight with Pat Berry? That is one of the craziest comebacks in the history of the sport. The craziest one. Pat Berry was just swinging. Pat Berry was a good kickboxer, man. Real good kickboxer. And Pat Berry had him real badly hurt

and a lot of people could have stopped that fight and he went down a couple of times and then he clipped him with one shot boom bro that's Congo for you that guy countless times he go through training camp he get injured won't tell nobody and still go out there and fight I'm talking about with injuries that that people have to get surgeries for that wouldn't fight. He's really, yeah. I don't know what's wrong with him. Here it is.

There it is, there's the one right hand that drops him. And Pat just got reckless and he jumped all over him. Pat had big power too. I mean look at the size of him man. Look at the size difference, yeah. But yeah, I mean Congo was real tall and big but Pat was a tank man. I think I was in Congo's corner.

I can't remember, but I was watching that fight. I think I was doing a commentating up at the top. Here it is. Boom. Boom. Out cold. You don't even see it. Yeah, you don't even see it.

He hit him with one, stung him, and then the other one, his eyes rolled back. Oh, you see his eyes? Yeah, they're still open. Yeah, his eyes were rolled back. He was out. He was in the dark lands. Look at him. Oh my god. out. He was in the dark lands. Look at him.

Oh my God. Yeah, he was in the dark lands. He just got too wild. He got too wild. I mean, he had Congo hurt, man. Real badly hurt. Yeah, he was going there for the kill. But he gets clipped by in the ear,

and then this one, boom. I mean, that one just shut him off. And you know, moving backwards kind of off angle, still, crazy power. But you know, Congo, of off angle still crazy power but you know Congo it was a really good kickboxer too he beat Cro Cop yep I don't want to talk shit Congo's talking my big bro but I was real proud to beat Cro Cop because Cro Cop is dangerous man with those leg kicks those head kicks every kick he's one of the hardest kickers ever there's a picture of him when he fought Heath Haring Did you ever see that fight? Oh, yeah, he kicked him in a body

He kicked him in the body and his body is like his shin is like halfway into his body. It's a horrible picture And especially it's that left one, which is you know, he said right kick hospital left kick cemetery Yeah, croc obviously. Oh my god. Oh, that's Josh Barnett. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that was a good That's one it would look leave that other one down there. Oh Who's that is that Sean O'Malley? Oh my god. Look at that kick. Who did he kick there? Good Lord Good Lord, that is a liver all day. I mean that is deep in the liver. That's crazy That's it the upper left hand corner, that's the one. Oh, yeah, look at that I mean that that shin is that is a perfect body kick as deep into the body

the first time I met crow cup was um when I fought k1 prior to being a k1 cuz like my last fight of contract. They thought I was gonna get knocked the fuck out and renegotiate for less money. And I didn't expect for Krokop to like me. They put us in a locker room together and he was over there playing cards and stuff. And this Japanese reporter come over to me

and I was on the ground like stretching, warming up, whatever. And I had my chain on the ground, which is crazy. I never laid a chain down. I don't know why I was on the ground. And a Japanese lady came and she was like, oh, why do you got this chain? What does this chain mean?

You know, I guess K-1 didn't know anything about me because I was coming from Pride. And I put the chain on, I said, oh, I'm a dog. And I started, I started humping her. And Cro Cop died laughing. Then ever since then, he liked me. Every time I see him, he'll come and I could make him laugh and stuff, he was a cool guy.

He's a very cool guy. He's one of the first guys that came from kickboxing that did really well in MMA because he was so explosive. Like a lot of those other guys like Peter Aerts or Ernesto Hust, I don't know if their style would have translated because they would just set you up over time and Ernesto would be chopping at the legs and hitting you with shots, but Krokop would just

bah, just explode on you. And he had good wrestling defense. Antonio McKee, he was training with Krokop, teaching him wrestling. Really? Yeah, Antonio McKee is one of the best wrestling coaches. He's one of the best MMA coaches out there. Well, he developed very good takedown defense

and that's what made him so scary. Because if you have to stand up with that guy, which shows you how good Fedor was in his prime, because those two fought in their prime and Fedor was walking him down. Stand up, stand up, I mean that was primarily a stand up fight. Fedor gives no fucks.

He was a wild dude, man. Even though he beat my ass, he's still one of my favorite fighters. Yeah, one of mine as well. I think when you look at the great heavyweights of all time, it's so hard to say who's the greatest of all time, but you gotta have him in the conversation. I wish he woulda came to the UFC though.

I wish they woulda got close. Got close, got real close. They had some meetings, but apparently, the people that Fador had running with him, the people that were running his business, they wanted a lot. They wanted co-promotion with the UFC. It wasn't just like give us some money.

And I guess the UFC was willing to give him a lot of money, but they were like, no, we want co-promotion. They wanted to be a part of the business. They wanted to take over a little bit of the business. Yeah, I heard rumors they wanted to have rights to UFC Russia or some shit. There's a bunch of different things. They wanted to take over a little bit of the business. Yeah, I heard rumors they wanted to have like rights to UFC Russia or some shit. There's a bunch of different things. You'd have to talk to Dana, but I remember it was enough so that they had a beef up security.

They were worried about how the negotiations went south. Wow. Yeah, they got nervous. It was a weird time. Those guys that were with him, they were serious dudes. Wow. Yeah. I would like to fight um Fraydor again, you know that was my last fight and I wasn't me. I was very unhealthy, but I didn't why we unhealthy

What was wrong because I got mixed I knows with um Hypothyroidism yeah, so I was on this medicine and the medicine was making me fat and I was training hard And I'm kind of medicine to have you on I forgot then I forgot the name of it But I had been on the road. Yeah, mm-hmm, and I had been on it for a while and then I started training with TJ TJ Dillashaw and um and One archer letter and they took me over there to coach Cal. Oh and that guy's a genius. Yeah, he's a gene He's like a scientist so he looked at my blood and he and he looked through everything and and um He was like you don't have a thyroid problem

You something wrong with your your T your c3 or t3 whatever fuck he said, but you don't have a um That were a problem in that medicine you take it's fucking you up And and and I just quit the medicine. I said I knew it was the fucking medicine piece Hey, I don't I don't suggest you just quit cold turkey. You don't know how your body's gonna react. And then I said, fuck this. This is medicine, fuck me out. I'm quitting it. And when I got to Japan, one of my coaches told me,

oh, you gotta carb up before you fight. You gotta carb up, because he noticed I wasn't eating carbs. And I listened to my coach. I'm a very coachable fighter. And I just got bloated overnight. I wasn't even looking that big when I got to Japan and I just fucking blew up And I said fuck it. I'm fighting. I'm not pulling out his fight. You were thinking about pulling out Oh, yeah, when I when I fucking saw myself in the fucking mirror

That's what you thought about pulling out Cuz I trained I trained hard. I know I noticed I wasn't losing weight for the fight, but I was heavyweight I wanted I always want to't losing weight for the fight, but I was heavyweight. I always wanted to get my weight down and look good, but I got down under 265, and I was training really hard. People thought I didn't train. People thought I threw the fight. I was training hard.

It's the hardest I ever trained, but I wasn't doing a whole lot of sparring and shit, though, because when I was training with Coach Kyle, that was the hardest training I ever did, and it's so hard that you have to take the rest of the day off and the next morning. Because it's like so, it's heavy cardio, right? Yeah, it's crazy.

We throwing 100 pound medicine balls at each other. 100 pound? 100 pound medicine, while we was balancing on a bo shoe ball. Jesus Christ. With TJ Dillashaw and Juan Archuleta. I don't know if you know Juan Archuleta. Yeah, sure.

You know how small that guy is? Yeah. Coach Kyle had us flipping tires up a hill, like 200, 400 pound tires. I never flipped a tire before. This motherfucker used to flip his tire up the hill, run down and help me flip mine. That's how strong that little motherfucker is. Yeah, he's strong as fuck. He's a great wrestler.

Yeah, great wrestler. And they have you on that spin bike, like a hard spin bike type of thing for like an hour. Like it was torture. Pau said, you know what, I'm gonna do this shit, I'm gonna train really hard. And at the end of the day, all this shit fucking me up. So I cursed those two specialists that I saw, two different specialists and they didn't do shit,

they said, oh, you gotta be on this mess for the rest of your life. And the second one, I thought I saw Coach Kyle, I went to somebody and they did a, what you call it, MRI on my thyroid, and they was saying that it's not enough data yet to know if you damaged your thyroid from getting and putting a lot of real naked chokes.

They said it's not enough data yet, because I asked them, have you ever been in a real naked choke and you fight so hard and your throat hurt a little bit. Yeah. Yeah, they asked him about they said yeah It's not it's not enough data yet. You guys haven't been doing this shit long enough for us to know That makes sense that makes sense that it would hurt your thyroid. I mean, it's right there. It's right there So they don't know shit yet I mean you'd imagine I mean if you're your organs are getting hurt by getting kicked they bleed You know you piss blood after you get kicked

in the body a bunch of times. Yeah, okay. Yeah, I would imagine it hurts your thyroid. I mean, if someone's got a real good squeeze, they get your neck. That happened to me several times, but over the years, but, you know, I didn't really think anything of it. And how many times in training?

Yeah. Yeah, constantly. That's what they get. Yeah, well, that's where most people get really beat up from, really, right? Most of the brain damage that people get is from training. Yeah. Yeah. Constantly. That's what it get. Yeah. Well, that's what most people get really beat up from really, right? Most of the brain damage that people get is from training. Yeah. Especially in the early days when people basically just fought in the gym. Do you remember when Marvin Eastman fought Travis Luthor? No, I didn't see that one. Marvin Eastman fought Travis Luthor in the UFC and Travis Luthor caught him with a right hand and knocked him out cold. But it was like at the end of the punch,

it didn't look normal. It looked like something was wrong. And what I had heard was that Marvin Eastman had been KO'd twice in camp. At least once. I know he got KO'd at least once. I think it was by Tito. I think they were wrestling.

This was after I fought Marvin or before it? After you fought Marvin. Because you fought Marvin in 2000. This was in the UFC. Oh okay. He was in the UFC. You fought in the UFC. You fought Marvin in the UFC as well. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know if the Travis Luthor fight was before or after that fight. See if you can see it. Find it Jamie. Travis Luthor, KO's Marvin Eastman. Because Travis was an awesome jujitsu guy wasn't known as being like this crazy puncher And but you know when you see guys that have fought that have been hurt real bad in the gym You know that happens all the time. You know guys get KO'd. That's what happens is

Ninja really yeah the shootbox guy that was sparring so hard 2004 so this is before you fought Marvin Eastman. That's right, you fought Marvin Eastman about 2007. Yeah, so he catches him on the end of this punch. And Travis Luthor, man, Travis Luthor's one of the best Brazilian Jiu Jitsu black belts to ever compete in MMA. And he was a guy that, he was the worst weight cut I ever saw in my life, ever.

When he fought Anderson for the title, so look at this. Oh, isn't that crazy? Yeah. I mean, it's a good right hand, but, but it seemed crazy, right? Yeah, I think your change just goes sometimes. Yes, but what I had heard from him was that he had been KO'd in training pretty bad.

Do you think it's mental? I don't know, like, I don't think that one was mental. I think if you've been KO'd I think your brain's damaged just like if you hurt your hand. If you break your hand and it's still fucked up and you try to punch someone it's going to get hurt. Same thing with your head. But you would think that you know because your body heals itself you think your brain will rejuvenate over time. It doesn't really. It doesn't? No, no there's a lot of problems with the brain and healing and one of the problems there's there's a lot right but one of the problems, there's a lot, right?

But one of the problems is the tissue, the connective tissue, that keeps the brain centered in the skull. That stuff rips over time. And that stuff is, once it's gone, it's gone. It doesn't return. It doesn't heal back. It's just like taking your meniscus out of your knee. And your brain is just slapping around inside of there and guys get KO'd way easier. You think stem cells?

Help that because I believe in stem cells. I do too. Yeah, I know you go to that bioxcellerator place It's great. A lot of people have gone there and it changed my life Yeah, just stem cells are incredible, but I don't know if it helps that brain rejuvenates that especially not helps you take a shot It might help you heal from too many head injuries, but I don't think it helps your ability to take a punch. I think once that goes, that's gone. You knowing that, would you let your son fight? I would let my son fight before I let him do football.

Your football is way worse. I think it's way worse. They did a study on CTE with football, and they went from high school all the way into NFL players and in even in high school kids most of them have it and then you get into NFL like people play all the time that they played like Pee Wee they played junior high school high school most likely they have some form of CTE and then you get into if you get into NFL it's like 90 plus percent of the guys have CTE.

I never heard of this shit till recently. We had Chandler Jones on our podcast. John Jones brother, you met him before? No, I've seen him at the UFC. Yeah, he seems like a real cool guy, but he was saying that people diagnose him with CTE, but he said he didn't believe in it. Wasn't Chandler the one that had some sort of an incident

where he went crazy? Yeah, yeah, he did have something. Yeah. A lot of people don't believe in things that are still real. You know? Facts. You know? No, I didn't know what...

I'm just not hearing about this shit now though. You seem fine. Yeah, yeah. Fuck yeah. You know, I don't take a whole lot of punches. I got that cover and roll, baby. I got that cover and roll. Yeah, you've always been defensively responsible like that.

Yeah, you cover rolls. Several leg kicks, several leg kicks. Leg kicks, you got mad at me once. But I wanted you to throw more because your leg kicks are devastating. I would see when you would hit guys with leg kicks, I was like, Tim, I wish Quentin would throw more leg kicks. I got to apologize to you about that.

Well, I apologize to you too. I'm like, it's not personal. I just, when I'm looking at you, I'm not thinking of you as a human being when you're fighting. I know you about that. Well, I apologize to you too. I'm like, it's not personal. I just, when I'm looking at you, I'm not thinking of you as a human being when you're fighting. I know you're a human being, but I'm looking at, I'm analyzing movements and what I think a guy can do to be more successful.

I don't even mean to hurt your feelings. No, you didn't hurt my feelings. It was nothing that you said. I'm gonna clear it up for you right now. It wasn't nothing you said. It's the fucking fans. They all come, when you said it, and you kept saying it, they all come to me on my social media.

Ever since social media. So I'm gonna explain it to you. You remember when I was fighting in Pride, I would check leg kicks if they was hard, except for Arona. I wasn't gonna check his leg kicks, it would've hurt my knee. But I would check leg kicks if they were hard,

but people in the UFC, they wasn't really kicking that hard. No, their leg kicks wasn't that hard, so I'd take them and I'd try laying a punch. But the reason why I wasn't kicking that much is because they were desperately trying to take me down. Even though I could wrestle, I started late. I'm not the best wrestler,

and if you want to take somebody down, you're gonna get them when they got their leg up. So that's what- But you were a very good MMA wrestler. Yeah. But you knew how to use it in MMA. Yeah. Yeah, I was never good at one one art when I put them together That's when I felt like I was I come together But so one time I tried to kick when I when I had me fight Matt Hamill. That's the only fight I never want that's the only fight I ever wanted to back out of I never wanted to fight that guy

Why I just felt like he was a boring fighter and I got tired of fighting wrestlers that hold me down and hump me and shit. And I'm like, you know, it's fucking, for me, I like exciting fights. I'd rather lose an exciting fight than win a boring fight. This has been my style. And I didn't want to fight him, so I remember when I was fighting him

and it was back of my head, I was like, Joe Rogan gonna talk about me? Man, I'm fucking kicking and shit. So I threw a fucking kick and sure enough, he almost took me down. I did not want that guy on top of me. So I said, ah, fuck this. I never kicked again after that. That's funny.

Yeah. I kick in practice. When I spar, stuff like that. You know, I love Muay Thai. I started taking Muay Thai right after that fight with Sakuraba. I started training with Colin Oyama. When he was training Tito, I went straight up to Big Bear

and I started training. Colin's very good. Yeah, he taught me the cover and roll. Yeah, I learned a lot from that guy. Yeah, he's very good. He's trained a lot of MMA fighters. Yeah. It's interesting when you see those guys

that were around in the early days that are still around now. Yeah. You know, and how many different iterations of MMA they've seen. Like the game has changed so much. Like you watch young guys now, like there's guys that are entering into the UFC now

that are elite fighters. They're already elite. First fight in the UFC. They're world class. It's crazy. You remember how it started off? You just knew one motherfucking thing. Yeah, yep.

Wrestling or kickboxing or jiu-jitsu. Yeah, one of those things you were good at and everything else you were just hoping to get to whatever the fuck it was that you do. Yeah, and it was crazy when people like Carl Parisian came around with Judo, like what the fuck, he's not fucking doing Judo? Carl was throwing people through the air.

Carl was like one of the best Judo guys to ever compete in MMA, He was fucking good, man. He was good. Yeah, yeah. I had to train judo one time. It made me respect it a lot more. I was fighting, I forgot the damn guy's name. I think it's Ishii something.

And he was like a judo gold medalist or some shit. I had to fight him in Bellator, big motherfucker. So I had to train judo. I trained for like a week. I gave up, said fuck this man, my wrestling gonna take care of this shit. Well those guys are so, Judo guys are so strong. Cause they're throwing bodies around all the time.

There's always like hoisting bodies to the air and throwing them around. I rolled with Carl once, he was like the hardest guy ever. Like his body was like, he didn't look impressive, but he was crazy strong, like a chimpanzee like just throws you around It was like there's such an evidence like a big difference in strength with a guy like that That's just used to throwing but like Hector Lombard. He's another one. Yeah Hector crazy powerful Yeah, a car prison. He's a train with me Tito and think Randy Couture

He's a kick-off three of our assets taking turns and we think Randy Couture. He used to kick all three of our asses, take them turns, and we all biggin' to him. Yeah, he was a beast. He was a beast, man, he was a beast. I remember his fight with Diego Sanchez. Holy shit, that was a wild fight. I like to see him come back, because- Karo?

Yeah, you know. How old is Karo now? He gotta be younger than me, I'm 46 now. He gotta be younger than me. Karo had a bad leg injury, and he tore his hamstring and never got it surgically repaired So he's always like one leg was always like 40% of what it should have been It was bad to the point where he had to take painkillers and a bunch of shit It was he had a hole in the back of his leg like he you ever see a guy that tears their body

Yeah, and they get that weird. Yeah curls up. That was how his leg looked So the back of his leg had like a hole in it. Like his hamstring was gone. It's hard to come back from that shit. Yeah, so he could have had it, but he would have had to have surgery right after the tear, and he didn't. And so once it curls up and locks in place,

I guess they can't bring it back. Yeah, how you feel about the older guys, like me, Rashad, and Mark Coleman, all of us fighting in a about the like older guys like me and Rashad and Mark Coleman all of us fighting in like a League with other older guys instead of putting us with younger people. That's not a bad idea like a Legends League Yeah, cuz we still love we still love it. We still love to fight, you know Mm-hmm, but it's just we just can't compete with the with the Youngest guys. Yeah father time is undefeated bro father time never loses And not only that like these young guys haven't had

all the injuries that the older guys have had. You see older guys, they look fine, but who knows what the, fucking neck, my knee, my hip, my fucking wrist, there's always something. If you've had 25 MMA fights, 35 MMA fights, you got problems. There's no ifs, ands, or what's about it. I don't know anybody who's not banged up. when I get out of bed in the morning like the first couple steps

I'm like damn Was it worth it? Yeah, but you you came out better than most people yeah, I didn't have I already had an injury coming into MMA My knee was fucked. I fucked my knee up in college, but I haven't had too much. What'd you do with your knee in college? Man, my teammates, half of my teammates wasn't coming to practice, and the coach was like,

since you guys not getting your teammates here, you gotta work out for them. So they used to pair us up in groups of twos and make us do 15 pushups, other guys do 15 reps, then you go all the way down to five, right? and make us do 15 push-ups, other guy do 15 reps, then you go all the way down to five, right? And after two weeks of that, we got so strong, we was bottoming out on everything, right?

So I'm wrestling one of my teammates, and he tried to get a single leg on me, and this is right when I was getting better at wrestling, I was getting good, it was hard to take me down, and everything, I was in last in junior college, and the wrestlers there, they was like the rejects, but they was all good, they had to come there first, then they went Lasting Junior College, and the wrestlers there, they was like the rejects, but they was all good. They had to come there first,

then they went to D1 schools, right? And I'm wrestling this guy, and he's still my friend to this day, he get mad when I tell the story. And he was going in for a single, and I wasn't giving it up, because everybody was talking shit to me, I was the runt on the team,

he was the worst wrestler there. And I think I took him down, and he wanted to get his takedown back, and he took my leg, and he bent it sideways, and went, bop! And I think he told my meniscus of some shit. And last, they didn't even take me to the, I don't even know what happened.

They never got me MRI'd, they just threw me away. Really? Yeah, I just let it heal up on its own. And it never got 100%? It never was the same. Wow. And then I think that was my meniscus. I don't know but I injured my meniscus when I was training for Ryan Bader. I had like a little

partial tear and the doctor told me, no you don't want to fight because you can rip it all away and it's not a fight in Japan. It's hard for me to pull out in Japan. That's why I think it's a good idea for me to go over there and make some babies. Well, it's amazing what they can do with stem cells now because I had a tear of my right knee and I got stem cells on it. I had a couple different cycles of stem cells. Now it doesn't bother me at all. I was like, fuck, I'm gonna have to get it done

on my right knee too, because I had my left knee, part of my meniscus removed. Because it was a bucket handle tear, so you know it'd lock out. So it would lock straight, it would like pop, ah! And then you can't bend your knee, and you're like, oh my God, and then it's painful as fuck. Yeah, that used to happen to Rico Rodriguez.

I used to corner him one time, and he was fighting, and that was my job, in each round to pull his leg out. Yeah, Rico didn't have an ACL. He fought at the highest level with no ACL. He was the first guy I ever heard that did that. I'm like, that is crazy. He didn't give a fuck.

Crazy. It's crazy what fighters put up with. I know. Well, there's fighters right now that are fighting with no ACLs. I know a couple of them. Football players wouldn't do that shit, hun. No, you get it repaired.

I think we should get doctors like them. You know how they have, what you call those, physios? I think we should have that on every team. Have like a set of physios and people that, cause we don't know what the fuck we're doing. Even to today, we don't know, we don't know shit. Well, that's why the UFC Performance Institute is so important.

You know, cause they got that there? They have everything, everything, yeah. What? I thought Lee's that guy on this shit? Oh, the UFC Performance Institute is like one of the most high level training environments in the world. People come and do their camp in Vegas.

So if they know they're going to fight in Vegas, they'll come to Vegas and bring their coaches and everybody does their whole camp at the PI. PI is incredible. I've never been there. Oh my God, it's amazing. They videotape all the sparring sessions so you can watch it from multiple different angles.'ll have it up for you. You could review like see you do this you drop your hands You do this you can't you can't defend like that You do this way and you watch it all on high-def videotape. They charge you for camp. No, no, you just go train there

Yeah, all the UFC athletes can go train there. They have nutrition. They feed you. Yeah for free. Oh, yeah, they'll get you set you up with meals Yeah for free. Uh-huh. Not only that it's all nutritionally balanced for like they work with a nutritionist for your weight cut for everything Yeah, I didn't all healthy food. I got more respect for the UFC now. Oh, it's incredible. The place is amazing I did a tour of it. It was amazing. It's amazing I mean they have sauna cold plunge like you name it every Modality red light anything that can help you heal anything that helps you get better. It's amazing. I mean, they have sauna, cold plunge, like you name it. Every modality, red light, anything that can help you heal, anything that helps you get better. And it's for free for the fighter. For free, for free.

And say what you want. Strength and conditioning equipment, anything you need. Bags, everything, everything you need. You just gotta be on the UFC roster to use it? Yep, if you're on the UFC roster, you go there and train. Say what you want about Uncle Dana, but he did a lot for this sport. Oh my God, without him, this wouldn't be possible.

Like you see what happens with these other organizations with regular dudes running it, they all fold up, they fall apart. You know, like the UFC had the name in the beginning, but they ran with it after that. Because Pride had a name too, man. Pride, people don't know, Pride was bigger in Japan than the UFC was in America

At the time Pride way before the UFC could ever do this Pride was selling out 90,000 seat stadiums. Yeah, I remember it probably was like almost at the level of NBA is here. Yeah in Japan like I remember fighting then the next day My my corny man, they would go and get a newspaper a newspaper, and I'd be on the front page of the fucking newspaper. Wow. You never see that shit here. No, well you kinda do now. Well I don't know. Yeah, I mean now you see,

well newspapers don't really exist anymore, but when it comes to news coverage, my news feed was overwhelmed with Alex Pereira's knockout. For real? Yeah. Oh that's good. Yeah, there was so many pictures of it, because it was a knockout. Oh, for real? Yeah. Oh, that's good. Yeah, there was so many pictures of it. Because it was a giant event.

ESPN, though. Yeah. Yeah. But all these different websites were covering it. Because it's just, first of all, when you got a guy that's that dominant, that's what people love. They love a Mike Tyson.

They love some dude who's just fucking everybody up. You can't wait to watch him fight people because you know what's gonna happen. You know he's gonna fuck people up. What fucked up Pride was they lost the contract with Fuji TV. It's crazy that it could be so big in Japan and then dwindle away to almost nothing.

So you see events from Japan now. It's like a shadow of what it was. Yeah, you would think that Risen would do. Yeah Rizzen, you would think that Rizzen would do what Pride did. Right, you would think. You would think Rizzen would like, it would fill in the gap. Like if the UFC went away, the PFL would probably take up the slack. You know, if something happened, someone, the UFC decided, you know what, we found Jesus, we're not, no more fights. Everybody, good luck, take care, we're gonna close shop. For some crazy reason

Those guys will go somewhere and there's everyone has a name, you know right now the only way an organization could benefit Like PFL sign Francis That's probably the only way the PFL is gonna get people to pay attention Like you have to have someone like Francis. Who is he gonna fight though? This is wild Brazilian dude over there who's fucking dangerous. That big guy that beat up Ryan Bader? Yes, that guy's fucking dangerous. He's huge.

He's huge and he can strike. But that's the only guy. That's the only guy. I mean maybe if Francis, if the PFL gets some heat behind it because of this, maybe if they have the money, I know there's some other countries that are involved, like the Saudis, if they get involved

and they start throwing money away, maybe. You think he'll go back to boxing? Yeah, because he's made so much money. But after the Joshua fight, it's gonna be different, right? So the Francis Ngannou fight, it was, he's fighting one of the greatest heavyweight boxers of all time and drops him in the second round and everybody's like what and then he beat him up in the eighth round too I thought he won that fight I thought he won that fight too yeah I thought he

won that fight too but you know if they're setting up that usik fight they were not gonna yeah it just seemed like the fix was in well yeah it was was close enough. They could pull it off. You can go okay, maybe maybe you could see him winning that but I don't think so Yeah, I thought Francis won it a lot of people thought Francis won it Yeah, oh, there's that big guy huh this dude. What is his name? Henan for he's big too. He's like six knee six eight Ferrerra Henna for he's big too. He's like six Six eight two sixty. Yeah, bro. I think Francis can get him though. Oh, yeah, man Look Francis can get anyone anyone alive anyone alive if that guy hits you he could put you asleep man Francis surprised me when he knocked out Alistair over and that's when I was that's when he gave him my radar

Like who the fuck is this guy? Bro, that is to this day one of the scariest left hooks of all time. Cause his head snapped so far back, it was like he was looking at his feet. Like he was looking at his ankles behind himself. Like it was crazy. Yeah, I never, I never, I never saw that.

And then when he knocked out Stipe, good lord. I mean, with the little gloves on, like, and leg kicks and shit, there's not a whole lot, like that one. Come on, man. That kind of power? Francis, man. Dude, I took a picture with Francis in Saudi Arabia.

That motherfucker's twice my size. He's huge. He's big. He's huge. I'm happy that he went and got paid. I'm happy that he got that money for the Tyson Fury fight fight because everybody was dismissing it.

Danny was dismissing it. And then he drops Tyson Fury and a lot of people's eyes won the fight like, fuck yeah. And then he gets a big payday against Joshua. I'm happy that he made money, but I wish he would have made that money in the UFC. I wish I would. My dream fight was at heavyweight, Jones and Francis and I still think to this There was actually an article that I read this morning that with the Saudis You know the UFC is now doing shows in Saudi Arabia that that Dana is not opposed to the possibility of a joint promotion

With John Jones versus Francis Wow, that would be huge John Jones versus Francis Wow, that would be huge huge huge With all due respect. I think John Jones is a smart enough fighter to not fight Francis fight on that one though really John Jones he ain't no dummy Yeah, he's a he's a smart fighter. I always say John Jones is Neil Neo for the matrix. Yeah, the kid his mind is so strong. I think that he would desperately try to get Francis down and submit him. He won't be dumb enough to stand. No, he won't stand with him.

John, as good as he is, has never been like a one punch knockout guy. No. He beats guys up and strangles them and beats them up on the ground. Does he have any knockouts? From one shot? I mean, he head kicked Daniel Cormier.

Yeah. Yeah, and dropped him with that, and then beat him up on the ground, stopped him. Yeah, but yeah. Most of the time, he just mauls people on the ground. Yeah, he don't, yeah, when he punched me, he was like, I was more worried about the eye pokes than the punch.

Does a lot of that. What do you think about that, man? Like, the gloves that they have, I think to this day, I know the UFC changed their gloves, and they got new gloves now, and I think the new gloves are definitely better than the old gloves but Trevor Whitman has the best gloves ever you ever see his gloves no no but I heard that when the UFC gloves was coming out and come out with new gloves I heard this somebody invented gloves that keep your hand

that can't hurled yes Trevor Whitman okay yeah but they didn't go with them no apparently Trevor wanted some crazy amount of money for the gloves But a man for the pad I don't know what like to sell his design his product whatever and he wanted a lot of money Apparently in the UFC wasn't willing they were trying to make a deal with them, and I was telling Dana get his gloves man They're way better and excuse me and his gloves are curved. They're curved so that your hand sits like this always. So that's his boxing gloves there, but what about his bag or his MMA gloves?

Does it show the Onyx? Onyx is his company, ONX, MMA glove. That's the sparring glove. But there it is, I'm wearing it. Okay, that's it. That's when Justin did my podcast and I put his glove on. See how it's curved?

Like that's not even me making a fist, that's just putting it on. You put it on, it's curved. That makes sense, but why he didn't just back off on the price a little bit? Like that's... He should've for sure. Here's my thought, and tell me what you think about this.

The UFC gloves, the way they are right now. Why don't they cover the fingers? Why don't you have a glove where you have the padding on the knuckle? But did you have a layer of leather that goes over the fingers and goes behind the hand like this that way? Even if you do have your hands open you'll be running into it like this I'm eating some I commit. Oh, yeah like a mitt almost? Yeah, like a mitt. Almost like pride gloves a little bit but over the fingers? But covering the fingertips. I think the grapplers will get upset about that.

But why? Because you never do this. You never interlace your fingers together, right? That's Hayabusa. Yeah, but I know, but like that? No, I mean covering the tips of the fingers. The tips are still going to be there. The problem was the tips the problem is the finger tips going into the eyes like every time you see a poke It's like one finger going into the eyeball, you know

But if you have it covered up at least it would be different It like it wouldn't be one poke going straight through it'd be a layer That's covering a layer of leather that covers over the tip. I need this I need to see those My changes I've been fighting for 25 years. I've never poked anybody not even in training really Yeah, I never because because why do you why you why do you got to do this shit? You shouldn't do that exactly John is a master bro. I was I was begging the referee Yeah, I was begging her like look. I never do that in fights. I never take my off my opponent. Yeah, I was going to their fight. I was thinking about wearing goggles out Cuz I knew he was gonna poke me in the eye

Yeah, I got poked in the eye and training camp trying to train that shit Oh, wow, and he and I had like a little red spot in there when we did the stare down Yeah, I know you saw it shit. I'm like damn fucking target yeah, then the He's he's really good at those leg kicks to those oblique kicks to the thing that should be legal, bro You think so? Yeah. Yeah, see I'm thinking about starting my own MMA league like rampage style You know saying my own what I think what I think MMA should be like right and I'm gonna make that shit Illegal that one thing that one sidekick to the knee all the oblique gonna make that shit illegal. That one thing. That one sidekick to the knee?

All that oblique kick, fuck that shit. Did you see the one Khalil Rowntree landed? Oh my God, I got on him about that shit. Oh my God. Did you get on him about it? Hell yeah. What did he say? He was like, man, fuck that, it was a fucking technique.

It is a technique. But that guy got some scary Muay Thai skills. Oh my God, yeah. I wanna go where the fuck he went and train. Yeah, well I don't know which camp he went to. Oh my God, I can't even, bro I can't even watch this shit. I know, it's horrible. He tore his knee apart.

Bukakis was out for like a solid year after that. Look at that sidekick right to the knee. Bro, that should be illegal, bro. Oh man, full power. I can't even watch this shit. Just tears his knee apart, it's horrible. Bro, John bent mine backwards, my knee haven't been the same, but when I went and got stem cells, thank God. Bro, that shit changed my life.

I took my knee braces off. I could wrestle without my knee braces and shit after that, but before that, it was hard for me getting in and out of my cars and everything. I bumped into John Jones one day. We was at a nightclub or something. You know how I am. I fucking, I cussed him out. He was like, oh man, I'm sorry.

And he was like, come on over here with me. We was going to go somewhere else. And we had to walk up on some couches and shit. And I tried to get up there, I couldn't, because this was before I went and got stem cells. I couldn't get up there because of my fucking knee. He felt, I laid it on thick like the Jewish guilt. You know what I'm talking about?

I laid it on thick on, he felt, you know what I'm talking about? I laid it on thick and he felt bad and for me that was good enough. I forgave him after that because he did feel bad. But my thing about fighting, I feel like we all Conrad's and that's how we make our living. So I never tried to really hurt nobody besides Arona. He made me lose my temper. That's why I did that with him But nobody else I never really tried to hurt anybody so they can continue to keep making money So I just have honor when I fight and I want I want everybody to understand like look

This is this is just a sport. I'm not trying fucking I'm trying to knock you out and stuff like that But I'm not gonna try to maim you. Tiago Santos, he ruined both his knees. John did. Yeah, both his knees after that fight, had to get surgery on. He tore both of them apart. He side kicked the fuck out of his knees. He does the oblique kick to the thigh too.

He does it everywhere. So think about this, you're a promoter and you got this fighter that sells a lot of tickets, so you wanna give him at least two fights a year, three fights a year, but you got a guy like John Jones fucking your fighters up, man, now they fucking injured, and you'd be lucky they come back in two years or something like that.

It's not good for business. It's definitely not good for business, but it's still legal, it's legal right now, so it's like, it's hard to say. I see the point that you shouldn't be able to allow to target the knees, but then hard to say. I see the point that you shouldn't be able to allow to target the knees, but then someone would say, okay, but you could Brown House kick the knees,

but you just can't side kick it. You can't hyper extend it. Can you front kick it? No, you can't front kick it. Darren Till does it too. He was doing it a lot. He fucked up Wonder Boy's knee that way. Yeah, it's like the elbows.

Like you allow to elbow somebody, but not in the back of the head. But you remember John's spin elbow? Where did it land most of the time back of the head? Well, how about wheel kicks and roundhouse kicks a lot of times they land the back of the head, too Yeah, you go over the top of the shoulder bang. It's over the back of the head. Yes Yeah, but those don't those don't come off that often is there's those around house kicks land on the back of the head They come off that often. There's a lot of roundhouse kicks land on the back of the head. They come off a lot? Yeah, because especially if you,

like say if a person is standing orthodox and you're standing orthodox and you throw a high kick and you go over his shoulder, you're hitting him right here, right behind the head. You know how to do that kick? Yeah. And I saw you kicking a bag, I was like, damn! I knew you was gonna do this,

so I didn't know you could kick like that. Yeah, that's what I used to do. I a Taekwondo guy that's how I started I called it take yo dope take your dough yeah it's not good for it's good for learning how to kick that's what's good for it's not good for learning how to fight you don't think it's good for MMA it's good if you know all the other things yeah but you have to know all the other things like there's no one from Taekwondo that's just gonna go into MMA and dominate. Well, I think Anthony Pettis. Right, but he's got great jiu-jitsu, great boxing.

I think he did move tight with it. Great low kicks, yeah. Did he move tight with it? Pettis could do anything. He does everything. That guy's a beast, too. He's a beast. That Showtime kick, where he fought Henderson

and bounced off the cage, to this day, highlight reels forever. Bro, that's like some tech and shit. Mm-hmm You know my dream was I was training for it one time, but I never had the balls to pull it off I always wanted to do that the all you could the uppercut I was training for this shit and call them like man Sit your ass down. That's hilarious. I was gonna pull it off in pride one day, but when the fight came I just I just didn't have the balls So that's why I get jealous of guys that can do that shit, that can pull it off and fight.

They could be themselves, because when I fight, I'm not myself. I'm not the same person that trained. If you come see me train, even when I was champion, you know, best in the world, at one time I was best in the world. I was fucking the first unified champion of fucking MMA before Anderson Silver did it.

In my mind, I was the best in the fucking universe. And when I trained, you come to the gym, I look like shit, getting the dog shit kicked out of me all over the fucking gym. Really? Yeah. How come? I think when I fight, I think Rampage come out,

it's just my alter ego or something. But sometimes he don't show up It's the weirdest thing It's me after fight, you know me I like to joke around laughs I like I like to say I'm a comedian pretending to be a fighter so I'm out there and and and one time I noticed I wasn't howling before the fight and The guy that's walking me out to the fight. He dropped something and I'm bent down to help him pick it up I like rampage will never do that.

That's when I knew it was like, I was like, he is not here. I was like, I hope he show up when I get in the fucking cage. Roy Jones Jr. said he had something like that too. He called it RJ. He's like, he goes, this is Roy Jones. He goes, but when RJ comes out, everybody's in trouble.

Yeah, and he was on the next level too. Oh man. I don't know what that is though. I don't know what happens. I know in my locker room I'm joking up to five minutes before the fight and then when I start howling and stuff, like oh shit, Rampage is here. My team, they knew it.

They just always say oh there you go. I remember hearing them say it. It must be crazy for them to watch you spar and lose in the gym and not look good, but know that you're just working hard, long as you're in shape, once you get in there, the real rampage comes out. Yeah, one of my coaches said that,

he said he knows people that's really good in the gym, but then when they're getting out in the lights and with the pressure, they don't perform. It's way better to be the other way. You look bad in the gym, good in the fights. Yeah, yeah, I mean, and there's also like, people put themselves in positions in the gym because they wanna work hard, so they put themselves in bad good in the fights. Yeah, yeah, I mean, and there's also like, people put themselves in positions in the gym because they wanna work hard,

so they put themselves in bad positions all the time. That you would never allow yourself to get into in a fight. I do that with the jiu-jitsu because I never really liked jiu-jitsu a whole lot, and it was like my worst thing, so I used to just start rolling with myself in guillotine chokes or get put in bad positions. Just to fight out of things all the time?

Yeah, and I wouldn't tell my sparring partner what I was doing. Oh, you just let them get you in there? Yeah, I just let them get me and stuff and I try to work my way out. That's why I've always, I've only been submitted like two times with real naked chokes. I just, those are my kryptonite.

Sakuraba got me. Who else got you other than Sakuraba? And John Jones. Oh, that's right. You know I didn't I didn't train with tall Jiu-Jitsu guys for him. I had a tall guy to spar with but I didn't have anybody long and like like that and I didn't think they would make a difference but after the fight I was like fuck yeah. It makes a difference on the ground

for sure because they can secure chokes from places that you just can't get to. Yeah training for that guy was the was like the hardest training camp. It was the hardest thing I remember my coaches, I just listed my coaches, I don't watch the fights, they was like, if he turns out Paul, he gonna throw this kick, if he do this, he's gonna do that. Had to train for the bleep kick, for the spinning elbows.

That was the hardest motherfucking training camp. Before him it was, what's the, I'm having a brain fart. The Brazilian guy, the karate guy, karate kid. Oh my God, that training camp was so hard too. Training for a karate guy. He's Southpaw too. Oh, he was so good too.

In his prime, Leota Machida was a beast, man. Whew. Yeah, bro, I had to bring in like um karate guys I had this we brought in this karate coach and you know, I'm bad with names and he was in that movie League of Astronaut gentleman, okay, and he was a karate guy and and I was with those managers from the UK So they knew him. Oh the wolfsler. Yeah, and they brought that guy in and he was getting mad when I was beating up the karate guys I was like this supposed to be my coach. But you know what I'm saying, he getting mad

when he brought his karate guys. And then first day was fucking me up, but then I learned and I saw I was fucking up the karate guys. He was getting mad at me. I'm like, man, you my coach. That's crazy. Why was he getting mad?

I think, cause it was his. Loyal to karate? Yeah. Oh no. That's crazy how- That's not a good coach, bro Martial artists have big egos. They do huge huge egos and they get real loyal to their particular style You know like one of these would drive me crazy when I'd watch young guys is like There was this guy that we were working with back in the day

That was a black belt in jujitsu and he had this There was this guy that we were working with back in the day that was a black belt in jujitsu and he had this Muay Thai coach and his Muay Thai coach had him convinced that he's a dangerous Muay Thai fighter. Just dangerous. You're going to fight. You're going to stand up. And I remember they were asking him before the fight, is he ready? How's he feeling?

He goes, he's Bangkok ready. He's Bangkok ready. This motherfucker better shoot for doubles and take people down and strangle them. Stop all this kickboxing. You're not a kickboxer. I'd watch the dude hit the bag and I'd go, please take that guy down. You don't have any power.

Don't listen to this guy, man. You're fighting guys that are real strikers. Like you can't be striking with a real striker. You thinking you're striking because you're striking in the gym with guys and you're doing okay. Real strikers are different, man. These guys in the gym with guys you're doing okay real strikers are different man Yeah, these guys in the gym are not trying to kill you right sometimes. They let you you know They don't want to especially if they getting paid exactly yeah, well. They're also sparring. They're not fighting

Yeah, it's just fucking giant difference man when someone's setting something up And they just look at a draw and you don't even know what it is Yeah, there's so many guys that get delusional because they're good at one thing You know they get at one thing and they they think that they know how to fight one of Eddie Bravo's black belts was He was gonna do MMA. He said I'm thinking of doing MMA. I go how much training are you doing striking like not much I'm just gonna take him to the ground. I go listen to me. I Go, you know how good you are on the ground. There's guys that are that good at stand-up You know how you could just play with some dude as a good you on the ground there's guys that are that good at stand-up You know how you can just play with some dudes a white belt on the ground

There's dudes that they get in front of you You can't do a damn thing about it, and they're gonna be hitting you That's the difference the difference is if you take a guy down you get him in an arm bar He's tapped and that's the end of it. This is not that this is you getting separated from your fucking consciousness And getting punted in the head by a leg a leg I mean you're fighting Muay Thai guys and what he went up getting fucked up and that was his only fight I was telling him like don't do that again. Don't you can't disrespect that? Yeah, you can't think that just cuz you're good at this one thing

You're gonna be good at everything but guys think that which is like one of things I'm sure you've seen this like a lot of like real good kickboxers They don't like to roll. Yeah, you know like to roll because they don't do good at rolling They want to spar because they want to hit the mitts. They want to hit the pads. They feel good. They throw those They look good You gotta do what you should it though you gotta do it But that's different than you who became a champion and some guys who just have big egos and they're fragile Because you were willing to look like shit and training you were just training

It's just training and then once you fought you fought great But it's like you got to be able to look like shit in training Yeah, and if you're gonna get good at jujitsu guess what there's only one way You got a role with guys who know how to strangle you because you're gonna figure out how to defend yourself. If you don't do that, you're never gonna learn. And there's guys that were like real good fighters that just never learned that aspect of the game

and they just always were limited. They always had a ceiling on how far they could progress. I surprised a lot of people with my jiu-jitsu. Because I didn't like it and I never showed it, people thought I didn't know it. But when I fought Dan Henderson it kind of showed a little bit But what helped me out is um, you know, Mayhem Miller. Mm-hmm. He he was my buddy. We was like brothers He was good. Yeah, he was good. He was my training partner Yeah, and he went to train with Dan Henderson for that fight. Oh no shit. Yeah, and and so Dan Henderson

Ground game was like mayhem's Mayhem used to dominate me on the ground But so so Dan Henderson was fighting like I'm like I've seen this before and he's not as good as mayhem at it So that helped me my buddy going training mayhem was fucking good on the ground man I remember mayhem's finest performance was against Sakuraba When mayhem he beat the shit out of Sakuraba. And I remember watching that fight, and I had a phone call with him.

We talked on the phone. I was like, dude, you're on it right now. Like, you are, right now, you're world class. Like, just keep your shit together, and you could be, you could be like an elite fighter, like a world championship caliber. See if you can find Jason Mayhem Miller versus Sakuraba. I never saw, I don't think I ever saw maybe I saw years ago but that guy's next

this is next level next level very high level very high level but you know he was just whatever just couldn't put it all together in the best fights you know the Michael Bisping fight George St. Pierre you know there was guys that knew how to beat him but this and this was mayhem focused in shape training Like like full skill set and this is when soccer. I was at the top. He's been Dude soccer. I was still very good. I mean he was a little past that now Like I think he'd already got KO'd by a couple of guys But he was still soccer. Robba. This is not an old soccer. Robba. I mean

But he was still Sakuraba. This is not an old Sakuraba. I mean he had his legs taped up like a mummy by then. Yeah. I saw Sakuraba a couple weeks ago in Japan. Yeah, he was a Sakuraba in his day. Man, I remember when he knocked out, where he submitted Conan Silvera. And everybody was like, what? He submitted a Jiu Jitsu black belt? Yeah, he's good, he's tricky. He don't stop, he goes from one submission to the next. That's how he got me. So this is Jason, like, Sakuraba's going for a leg lock, and Jason defends.

Jason was so good on the ground, like, good luck catching him with something. He won't tap anyway. Jason won't tap, even if he got a fight in a week. You give him an arm bar, he won't tap. Break his arm, he don't give a fuck give Jesus. Here's a wild dude, man He was a wild dude And this was like a dominant performance over a legend

Gives a peace side to the fucking camera Once he got that right wrist tie. This was in pride. Yeah, I don't know why I didn't see this one Oh, no, it was dream. Oh, that's what it was. Yes. This is post pride. Yeah, what year was this? Does it say? Now he's fucking soccer. Oh, he fucked him up dude. It was a complete domination 2010 yeah, so this is like soccer Robert already been yeah beaten up by a bunch of guys and then he gets him on triangle bro this is it right here yep and the first round yep look at that tapping mayhem I couldn't believe soccer Robert tapped yep you go to sleep I think he did go to sleep did you know

soccer Robert is a fucking chain smoker? I heard They're crazy crazy, bro. How I don't know how he how I don't know how he has a the fucking cardio Yes, imagine the cardio you have if he didn't chain smoke. Do you remember that fight when it went? What was it was a horse Gracie? Mm-hmm, and they they took the time living out. Yeah, that's because they knew he was a smoker Really? So they just wanted to drag it out. Yeah, cuz they thought that he's gonna get tired He's gonna want a cigarette Man I did a movie with him in Japan and he had to take a smoke break every five minutes Wow Every five minutes, bro. Wow Every five minutes. I'm not over exaggerate. It was this like when he was in training back then he smoked that much Yeah, it was like this like a couple years out that father. Maybe like a year or two after I fall down He was how does he now, he smoked that much. Yeah, it was like a couple years after I fought him,

maybe like a year or two after I fought him. How does he now fuck his lungs up? Bro, I think it's mental. I think, see I think a lot of things is mental. I believe in the power of the mind. I used to have a really strong mind back in the day. Like remember I told you about the forest kicking me, the calf kick?

Yeah. Bro, my mind was so strong back then, I healed my leg up in between rounds. My shit was in pain, but I was mentally strong. And I also think that's why I lost that fight, because I had the manager at the time, that I didn't trust him anymore. And I remember him saying,

if Rampage loses this fight, I'm gonna retire. And I had been trying to fire him a couple times, but he got pulled on the hard strings every time so I was thinking I I think subconscious in the back of my mind I lost that fight you so you think maybe if I lose this fight I can get rid of this guy in the back of my mind, but I really wanted to win because I was champion I don't think but you were torn yeah, but in the back of my mind But my mouth strong enough to heal heal my leg up what where I could go I couldn't feel pain it was really my leg was really fucked that fight I still think I won that fight when I went back and

watched it I think I lost two rounds and I won three and I lost my belt I'd have to watch it again yeah but I feel like it was a very close fight I remember that I've never been a close fight by my my slammed him I think I dropped him a couple times and and and I think the only thing he did was really like hurt hurt my leg And like the first round is a second round, but I think I've won the last three But I remember watching it again because you know I'm honest about him when I fought Ninja at the time I thought he won and I told him right then and I was like oh, bro I thought you I thought he won. I thought I got my ass kicked, but they gave me the decision. I'm honest about that shit.

So you said that Ninja got hurt in training? Yeah, that's what the word around the campfire, because you know, Shoebox, they spar hard. Hard. You haven't heard about him fighting in a long time. He retired a long time ago. I heard he had some sort of brain bleed. Yeah, they get knocked out a lot in sparring.

Yeah. I heard some other people was training there with them. So they go full blast. I heard that Shogun and Vandalei, they fought for a puppy. Because Shogun had some pit bull puppies, and Vandalei wanted one. And he was offering to sell it to him. He said, let's fight for it.

And Vandalei KO him, and took the puppy. I believe it. I believe it too. I believe it. Because apparently those guys knocked each other out a lot. They're like savages at MMA, bro. I think they just didn't understand that it's like a punch card.

You only have so many holes you can punch in that card, and then that's it. And if you're sparring like that, you're KO'ing each other, and then you're back in the gym on Monday, like that's it. And if you're sparring like that, you're KO'ing each other, and then you're back in the gym on Monday, like that's nuts. Yeah, cause normally when you get knocked out, well you gotta take 30 days off.

You should take a long time off. More than 30 days? Yeah, a long time. Like Justin Gaethje said he's gonna take six months off and not do anything for six months after that max hallway fight. He's not even going to train? I don't know.

I mean, I'm sure he's probably training, probably working out a little bit, but he's not gonna do any sparring at all. Bro, I think that's the most iconic knockout in MMA. Ever, ever. One second to go in a five round fight that he was dominating, and a five round fight where a lot of people

thought Max was outgunned. I thought Max was winning that fight. He was winning, but I mean, outgunned, like going into the fight. Justin Gage is a big KO artist, he just got done head kicking Dustin Poirier. He's a 50-fiver, Max had lost a few times at 45 to Volkonovsky, and everybody was thinking

he was past his prime, and then Max just puts on a fucking performance of a lifetime. But I always knew Max boxing was his next level though. Next level. Well his heart and mind is next level too. And people also forget, Max is only 32. He's just been in the UFC for so long. His first fight in the UFC was 20 years old.

Oh. Yeah. I didn't know he was that young. I think his first fight was Conor McGregor. Was it? Yes, I think so. Go to Max Holloway's career record. Did he beat Conor?

No, no he lost a decision. He was the only guy to survive Go to Max Holloway's career record. Did he beat Conor? No. No, he lost a decision. He was the only guy to survive in the early days of Conor when Conor was just flatlining everybody. This is 145 Conor. No. No? His first fight was against Dustin Poirier.

Oh, that's right. He got armbarred against Dustin. Yeah, Dustin got him in an armbar. And then the second fight was Conor, correct? No, that was like his sixth fight actually. Really? Yeah. No shit.

Wow. And then, okay, wow, he had so many fights, man. Isn't that crazy? So he lost to Dustin Poirier, that's 2012, and then Pat Schilling, he wins, Justin Lawrence wins, Leonard Garcia, Leonard Garcia, I forgot about Leonard, shout out to Leonard, and then he loses to Dennis Bermudez, I forgot about Dennis. Shout out to Leonard. And then he loses Dennis Bermudez, I forgot about Dennis too. And then he lost to Conor.

That kid was 20 years old at that time. Which is wild, man. Way back in 2013. And then he goes on a run. And then his run, like look at his win streak after that Conor McGregor fight. I mean that is a crazy win streak. Charles Olivera, Anthony Pettis, Jose Aldo,

Twice, Ortega, fucking crazy. And then he fought Dustin again at lightweight. He tried to fight for the interim UFC lightweight title, but he didn't really gain weight the correct way. And he talked about that. He said he had like a little muffin top on the top of his shorts, you know. And so then loses to Volkonovsky a couple of times, beats Arnold Allen, who's really fucking good, and a lot of people still like, eh. Then he knocks out the Korean Zombie, and people are like, hmm, maybe. And then the Justin Gage one, people are like,

oh shit, we forgot, we forgot. Max is the man. And he's such a nice guy. Nice guy, great dude. The nicest guy. Great dude. Yeah. I wanna ask you, who you think is the most well-rounded

in MMA right now? That's good at three or more. That's a good question. That's a good question. It's hard to say. It's hard to say. Might be Sean O'Malley. Sean O'Malley's not the best wrestler,

but damn his takedown defense is fucking good because he survived against Al Jermain. I mean Al Jermain couldn't take him down. He can knock anybody out with one shot. He submitted Takenori Gomi in a Jiu Jitsu match. His Jiu Jitsu is real. Sean can do everything. And he's just relentless, tireless worker.

He's a star Superstar hey, how you seen how you seen those um those posts that wasn't a mo How you say his name mo hab was a name how you say his name which one the guy thought he was Mexican Marab, yeah, Marab, Davish Willie. Yeah, I thought he was Mexican when I first met You see his post he do about Sean O'Malley. Oh, yeah, he's trying to get over the fight Oh, yeah, but have you seen his post is the recent ones man? He got a he got somebody that looks like Sean O'Malley. He yeah, he's trying to get him to fight him. But have you seen his post? His recent ones? Man, he got somebody that looks like Sean O'Malley and he be doing crazy shit to their motherfuckers, bro. That dude was funny, bro.

You know, I like funny shit, man. Yeah, Marab's funny. Marab is an animal, man. What he did to Henry Sahudo, I was like, I can't even believe this is happening. I was there. When he carried him, when he picked him up, and then he's like, stuck his tongue out,

and he walked over towards Where the UFC people were and then slammed him slammed Henry. So who though Olympic gold medalist who the fuck does that bro? I'm conflicted for that fight cuz you know f3 sponsors. Look at that Henry right that is crazy So I brought him over to Zuckerberg. That's right, bro. I think that was was that at the apex No, that was an anaheim. That's right anaheim. I was there in the crowd. I mean then was was that at the apex no I was there in the crowd. I mean then he had him in a ten finger guillotine Dude my Rob is a scary character because that motherfucker never gets tired bro, and his heart is crazy You ever see his fight with Marlon Marais no Marlon Marais Had him dead to rights he had him out

I mean he was battering him and Marlon is the best guy who never won a title in the UFC. He was so good but He will fold something would happen He would fold up like and when he started getting KO'd a few times it all went away and it fell apart He's a cop now in Florida. But Marlon in in that fight He had my Robin all kinds of trouble and marab just wouldn't stop I got a big hard. Oh as hard as enormous man It's on he's unstoppable like his mind is unstoppable you can beat him Ray Borg submitted him like way back in the day

He got him in the guillotine But guys, you know that that way he's just keeps getting better to marab every time he fights He gets better you think he's gonna be you think he's gonna be he's the worst matchup for Sean the worst matchup on paper for Sean in that division is marab Because if you would say if you have a chance to beat Sean, how would you beat him? You got to take him down, right? I would imagine I don't think there's anybody in that 135 pound division that can deal with that height that length KO power footwork and movement what he did to cheeto I was shocked. I was shocked because the first fight, you know, cheeto beat him He kicked his leg and fucked him up and got him down

But in the second fight cheeto didn't have a chance. Cheeto's a beast. He's a beast He's a beast and he hurt him real bad in like the last couple seconds of the fight He hit him with a liver punch He hit him with a cheeto, hit him with a nasty left hook to the liver. And man, if he landed that punch early in the fight, who knows, but Shawn is so good everywhere. He's so good, and you can't corner that guy.

He's just moving. You know, you can't like corral him. He's just constantly like, and the consequences of moving in, and like what Al Jermain did, he just got a little rushed. He rushed in on him with that right hand. You can't rush on that guy. I wonder what Al Jermain was thinking.

He said he kicked himself after that. I think he just got, he just rushed it. He just tried to close the gap. He wanted to get ahold of him, you know, and he just tried to rush in. I think Al Jermain's better at 145 anyway. I think Al Jameen is so big. I was always shocked that he could make 135 He's another guy right he would walk around a hundred seventy six hundred seventy five pounds like how how are you losing forty fucking pounds? I don't know how they doing this killing themselves. That's how killing themselves, but when he rehydrated at 35, he was like just ripped

Just jacked big muscles strongest shit in his back control is better than anybody's man When he took Corey Sandhagen down and strangled him. I was like, oh my god Corey's good. You think I'll demand a make a comeback. Yes. Yeah, I think you're gonna make come back Yeah, yeah, who's that? Who's the champion 45 right now? Ilya to poria to poria yeah, I Don't know a lot of these new fighters. I believe it to poria is a monster. He's a monster that dude's good I'm gonna knock down Volkanovsky. Oh, yeah, I think I thought that was the same night that um Henry and what's called fault right? Mm-hmm. Yeah, Ilya to poria is a bad man. That's him right there? Mm-hmm. He's a bad man. He's very, very, very good.

But I want to see Sean O'Malley versus Corey Sanhagen. That's an interesting fight to me, if he can get past Marab. That's his next fight, Marab. When is that? You know, they already got it set? I don't know when that is. I heard rumors that that was gonna be at the Sphere, which is in September, but I've also heard rumors of other fights at the Sphere. That one's gonna sell out right away. Fuck yeah, that one's gonna be nuts.

You gotta go to that. I wanna go, I heard Dana said that he only gonna do one and done there. Yeah, you gotta go to that one. I would love to go to that one. Yeah. It's gonna sell out right away. I be trying to ask Tiki to get me tickets sometimes that no help me out

I got you you got me. I got you for that. Let's go I'd love to be there for that. Yeah, man. You gotta be fair for that UFC doesn't hook you up with tickets No, you know, that's ridiculous. You're a former champion You should get tickets for the rest of your fucking life if I was running the UFC No, no offense to the people that are champions you get tickets You know I thought I fucked up my relationship with the UFC by doing that fucking movie over that Rashad fight What was the movie 18? Oh? That's right. That's when that's when I fucked up my relationship with Dana and everybody

But it was it was the hardest decision of my life. I lost money doing a movie, but I'm not really fueled by money. I'm not, you know, I don't love money, but I always wanted to do that movie. It just came at a bad time. The thing about doing a movie, though, is that if that takes off, then you're the rock.

You know, who fucking knows? You're John Cena, who knows? There's a lot of guys that have become action movie stars look at Randy he did the Expendables with Sylvester Stallone crazy like you get a real career in the movies and you fight forever right exactly and some certain things like that like yeah but you know the UFC their business the business is making fights I understand you you know, I understand, I understand Dana's point, you know, because I didn't sign the bout agreement,

that's the only thing that saved me, but you know, it was supposed to be in my hometown. It was big, we just come off the ultimate fight, it was, you know, the episode that season broke records. Yeah. So I understand, but it was just, it was just so hard for me to turn down that that movie And I try to keep my word when I give my word that I'm gonna do something that I was already dedicated

To that project even when John John Singleton was attached to it And I was like, you know, this is what I'm gonna do. Yeah, it's tough call Yeah, when you were on the ultimate fighter with Rashad and you broke that door I was like they need to get new contractors. That was the cheapest fucking door I've ever seen in my life. Bro, whether you know it or not, most doors inside your house look like that. Yeah, they're bullshit.

They're bullshit. I had no idea, but I was glad it was. Cause my dumb ass, I lost my temper and I head-butted it. Bro, I'm still embarrassed about that. Oh really? That's one of my most embarrassing TV moments. Just because you lost your time Yeah, I hate I hate to lose my temper. I hate and it's so embarrassing. I

several like relationships friendships when I lose it I just get embarrassed and so I never post this shit on my on my social media This is embarrassed, but fuck fans love that shit. They loved you tearing apart a door Yeah, and they love you and Rashad like you a bitch treat me and Rashad. Like you a bitch, treat me like a bitch. You a bitch, treat me like a bitch. I hated him, bro. I hated Rashad. I hated, like what you were talking about earlier,

the mushrooms, it changed. He's a totally different person. He's a different human being. He's likable now. He's very likable, he's a sweetheart. I still wanna knock him out though. Who do you wanna knock out more, him or Shannon? Shannon. He keeps calling you a pie. Who do you want to lock out more him or Shannon Shannon

He keeps calling you a pie. Yeah, who calls people pies some room that guy he's fun, bro He he posted he put my my face. Yeah, he put my face over fat women's bodies And he keeps fat shaming me and he's fatter than me right now I'm like what why you so delusional bro? You should not rip no more. Did you ever see where he was on a boat and Vladimir Klitschko was out there paddle boarding and he went and fucked with him when he was on the boat and made him fall off the paddle board? He's a fucking troll.

He's a fucking troll man. He showed up while he was eating and poured water and his face started eating his food. When you eat, we eat. Look at Shannon. Let's go, let's go. his food when you eat weed. Look at Shannon. Chris just don't seem like a guy to joke around like that though. No. Well, find the one where he finds him eating Because it because there's like he was doing everything he could to get that fight because he fought his brother

Right his brother stopped Channing. I think oh did these two ever they didn't know so he sits down while he's eating What you eat I eat champs or he is food in his food? He's helping them eat some food here have a glass of water and he pours the water on his head He slid the holler on the fucking face. He can sell a fight though, that motherfucker. Oh yeah, well that shit sold fights, man. Look, and Shannon in his day was a dangerous boxer. He was a very, very good heavyweight boxer in his day. He showed up at the gym when Klitschko was sparring.

He showed up everywhere. I mean, he was the bane of Klitschko's existence. Kind of amazing that fight never happened. I didn't know which one it was. I thought it was that fight, that it was his brother. Right. I didn't know. No, he fought, Shannon fought.

Lennox Lewis had a great showing too. He hurt Lennox at one point in time in that fight. Shit, Lennox sent his ass to the hospital. He did, he beat him bad. He beat him bad in that fight. Lennox was a monster. In his time, man, Lennox was one of the greatest of all time, he beat him bad. He beat him bad in that fight. Lennox was a monster. In his time, man, Lennox was one of the greatest of all time.

Hell yeah. Yeah. I'd love to see Lennox against any of these guys today. Man, I was in Saudi Arabia before that Tyson, nganu fight. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. And we was meeting with the, what's his name, Turk, the prince, whatever. And he asked, he had all the fighters that they invited there had us all in the room. And they were talking about doing the legends boxing. And he asked who wanted to fight Lennox Lewis. And nobody said none, I raised my motherfucking hand.

And I was like, yeah, I'll fight him. And Lennox came over there, came to me and checked me out and looked at me and stuff like that. I was like, yeah, shit, they paying big money. I want a box. I've been asking to box for years. Nobody wanted to fight us. I thought they was gonna put it together and then Shannon said Saudi Arabia want us to fight and they never put their fight together. I know that they were talking about having Lennox fight Mike Tyson. It was right around the time after Mike Tyson fought Roy Jones Jr. and they were

talking about making that, but it didn't come to fruition. I think Lennox really don't want to fight. Yeah. That's the feeling that I got, but I think Lennox would have fought me. It'd be a good fight for him. Well, that's a thing like you'd have to wonder,

is Lennox working out at all? He looked like he was in good shape. He didn't look like overweight or anything. Right, he's not overweight, but is he working out? Like, He looked like he was in good shape. He didn't look like overweight or anything. Right, he's not overweight. But is he working out? Like, I don't even know. You know, at least before Mike Tyson, Ft. Roy Jones, you got to see all that footage of him training.

Like, okay, Mike looks good. Like, you can sell that. But if you don't, you just decide to start working out again at 50, whatever he is, how old is he? I don't know how old he is. I hope, I hope. Lennox is older than me. I'm 56. I think Lennox is like 58. is he? I don't know how old he is. Lennox is older than me. I'm 56.

I think Lennox is like 58. You 56? I'm 56. You 10 years older than me. 10 years older than you. Damn. And he's older than you. Yep.

He shouldn't be fighting, you don't think they should be fighting past 55 or something like that, huh? It's, I mean, I think a person, again, just like I think he should be able to do slap fighting, you be able to ride bulls do whatever the fuck you want over like like my Tyson fighting fighting I don't think you should be able to stop a person from doing it. I Think if they pass medicals if they want look fighting is bad for everybody. It's bad for 20 year olds It's bad for 58 year olds. You know I just feel like

You should be able to do whatever you want to do. I mean look, riding bulls is always bad. It's always bad, but yet bull riding is legal, you know. Yeah. Those BMX flips, those dudes do those flips, they paralyze themselves all the time. Skateboarders, they fall down, break every fucking bone in their body, get horrible head trauma, that's legal. I feel like you should be able to fight. If you're an adult human being and you make a decision and you pass the medicals, they look at you,

they say, yeah, he doesn't have brain problems, he doesn't have heart problems, let him fight. They should fight people closer to their same age, though. Yeah, the Jake Paul thing is kinda crazy. Mike is 50, He just turned 58 yesterday Yeah, so Mike is gonna be 58 Jake is gonna be 28 Jake's active, you know, I mean you see Mike run It doesn't look like his knees are in good shape. No for real. No, it doesn't look good. I just see him hitting pads

He's done some sprints and stuff and people look at it But I'm gonna tell you something what with all due respect, Mike Tyson just looked like his body type is awkward anyway. The way he moves. So that might just be him. Have you ever seen him dance? Yeah, he dances awkward. Yeah, so I assume that maybe part of him running like that

is just his body mechanics. He's just like an awkward dude. Perhaps, but he's also 58. And then all the punishment of all those years. I know he's had back problems and neck problems. I believe he's had neck surgery. 58 is 58. There's no ifs, ands, or buts.

But then again, he's doing stem cells, peptides. I would assume they let him do hormones everything he wants I mean, there's no way they're gonna ask him to be clean and 58 years old That's a dream fight to fight Mike Tyson though. I'm just what Lennox Lewis said after the you sick He says do Huckster still try to entice Lewis back of the ring says yeah, they do But as my friend says I ain't no fool Hopefully that means a rejection of any stunt of a comeback for an undisputed championship as Significant as Lewis

Indisputed champion rather as significant as Lewis. He laughs I was seeing if I could catch you out there for me money talks bullshit walks Does that mean that we consider an astronomical offer to make a return? That's what I'm saying I'd 100% consider it Lewis is still smiling when I ask if he works out regularly. Yes, I do I ran five miles this morning. I swam a couple lengths 100 meters then I woke up and took a shower. Oh He looked like he's still trains though when I saw him yeah, I didn't see what his shirt off anything But he you know if I definitely not fat no no he looks he looks good for his Lennox 58 yeah, so it's like same age as Tyson. Yeah, it's like it when you get to that age

Why yeah, cuz if you get hurt bad at 58 you don't really recover You know if you watch a guy did you watch a Vander versus Vitor? That was sad. Yeah, that was sad, and that's the same kind of age. I think Evander was 59 during that fight, and maybe 58, but Vitor just beat the shit out of him. Did you feel bad for Evander? Yeah. Did you wanna give Vitor a little talking to?

No, no, because if Evander could, he would've done that to Vitor. If everything was working correctly, I don't even think he took that on a full camp no no it was a short notice because he was supposed to fight somebody else they pulled out right right but how can a guy like Evander at 58 59 years old whatever is fight a short and he didn't look good it's like Vitor heard him to the body with that left hand you know boxers they don't respect MMA fighters you better respect Vitor and he was a boxer first, wasn't he? Well, he had good hands.

I mean, he wasn't necessarily a boxer, but he was a Jiu Jitsu black belt under Carlson Gracie. When I first started training in 96, I started at Carlson Gracie's place. And that was when Vitor was, he fought for his first time. He fought John Hess in Hawaii, and he fucked John Hess up. John Hess was this big, tall dude. He had some crazy system.

I think he called it SAFTA. It was like a lot of nut punches and eye pokes and he was kind of a dirty fighter, like a dangerous, mean dude. And Vitor just beat the fucking shit out of him. And he was 19, he was so fast. I remember that. He was like 200 pounds, he wasn't a big guy. Right.

And see if you can find that. Vitor Belfort versus John Hess. So this is Vitor's debut. This was happening while I was training at that academy. In the UFC? His fight was in the UFC? No. This was before the UFC.

And so this was 96-ish, somewhere around there. And then in 97, the first time Vitor fought in the UFC was the first time I worked for the USA that was UFC 12. Did he fight Van Oley? No, he fought Scott Ferozo and This is Vitor. This is Vitor See look at this dude fighting with pants on. Oh my god. Oh, bro. Why would the referee? Oh my god. There's no referees didn't do jacks. Look at the referees are right in. Pull it back to the beginning so you you see the beginning of the fights? That's all it showed showed again. Who's the fucking key? Here it is. So he's still as a bad footage

Yeah, so he stormed across the the fucking ring and just teed off on that dude So I was training at Carlson Gracie's place. I was learning jujitsu I was a white belt in 96 and V tour was making his UFC debut and I remember everybody thought like oh He's a black belt under Carlson Gracie. This is gonna be a jujitsu match here This is like real shitty footage of it. So you grab John Hess that's a big motherfucker huge John Hess was huge and Vitor was not big and Vitor just dragged him to the ground and beat the fuck I look how thin he is back then to look how fast he's throwing. Oh my god his hand speeds insane, bro

That was like a murder. Look I just witnessed a murder basically did I mean he could have kept going and he would have been dead You know, have you seen his son? No Vitor son. No, bro. Find Vitor son hitting the pads. His son is apparently a star football player like a elite football player, but Crazy hand speed for hitting the paths looks fucking phenomenal It's wild to see because it's like that's got to be genetic so here. He is His hand speed damn. That's Vitor's son Kind of keeping his chin a little up in the air and strong punches. He's not a fighter don't know well I don't know I mean he's barren

Bro the kid has crazy hand speed I Mean you got to think like with Vitor as your dad. I mean those jeans That's some real jeans man look at him hitting the pads man fucking dudes got hands hands speed Like wild hand speed. He should let him get out there. Yeah, look at those fucking combinations man Yeah, fuck crazy hand speed bro, but that was Vtor when Vtor was young. So when Vtor fought in 97 I remember we all knew but we were like everybody thinks he's a jujitsu guy and You're gonna have to deal with a hail of punches coming from this guy

Remember when he fought ventilate that's when he came out radar. I was like more shoes and just went apparently he was so scared of Andale he was terrified before that fight. That's what everybody's saying He was like crying in the locker room like did not want to fight van de Lee But just went out there and starched him in like 10 seconds fucked him up never gave him a rematch Starched him in like 10 seconds fucked him up never gave him a rematch He ran across the octagon and just blitzed Never seen shit like that before no it was wild and look his sons look my son was sparring with Anderson Civil son a couple weeks ago wow gave me idea I said fuck man we got fighters now, and we all got kids like in their 20s

So we should do a fucking reality show with the fucking kids. Well how about AJ McKee? Yeah. AJ McKee is good man. Next level bro. He's very good. Very good. Next fucking level bro. Yeah and everywhere. He's a guy who's well rounded. But I've been knowing that kid since he was three years old. I knew it already. I'm not even surprised because I used to train him as dead. That's what bothers me about other organizations is that a guy as good as AJ McKee doesn't become a household name. Nobody knows who he is. Like that sucks. That's what makes me about other organizations is that a guy as good as AJ McKee doesn't become a household name. Nobody knows who he is. Like that sucks. That's what makes me, that's what upsets me when guys wind up going over there. Like I get it. You know, like Corey Anderson.

They didn't want to let him go, bro. They didn't want to let him go. I told his desk, man, get him over to the UFC. But he's under contract. Yeah. And Bellator, they just kept offering him money. They didn't want to let him go because he'll walk a highlight reel. Yeah. He's so good. But it's under contract. Yeah, and Bellator they just kept offering the money They didn't want to let him go cuz he'll walk a highlight reel. Yeah, he's so good, but it's still not good enough The Bellator thing it's just like you can't be famous over there You can get kind of like venom got famous Michael venom page got famous from some of the knockouts and some of the things he did over there But even he like now he's famous is in the UFC But he's 37 in the UFC like I he's famous, he's in the UFC.

But he's 37 in the UFC. Like I would love to see Michael Venom Page in the UFC at 27. Like good lord. Bro, I'm gonna tell you, I can barely go anywhere without guys asking me for a picture and stuff. I left the UFC, went to Bellator. Now for years, I was in Bellator for years

and people come ask me for a picture, they be like, man, I wish you hadn't retired. I be like, dude, I just fought last week. They have no idea. Bellator do not promote fights. They don't fucking do shit. I don't get it, I don't understand. Nobody knows who's watching. It's unfortunate.

It's unfortunate. I mean, I get it that fighters will wanna go to PFL. If you win that tournament, you make a million dollars. So Olivier Aubameur-Mercier, I think he won it twice, so he won two million dollars in the PFL, nobody watched, nobody knows who he is. I mean, it's just, I mean, people know, but nothing in comparison to like a Dustin Poirier,

or someone who wins in the UFC. Bro, I'm gonna tell you this, if AJ McKee goes to the UFC, I would bet money, I never bet on fights. I would bet money on him and he'll walk through the whole thing and get the belt easy. Mm-hmm, how old is AJ now? He gotta be like 26.

How old is he? 29. What? Damn, I didn't know he that much older than my son. In his fucking prime, he's in his prime. How much longer is his contract over at Bellator? I don't know. Because now the Bellator sold the PFL. They're not really, they're two different organizations.

One of them they're gonna do overseas is Bellator and the PFL's over here. I don't understand that, but I like their belt though when you win the thing. Have you seen that belt? The belt's so good, yeah. With the ring? Six fight multi-year contract and this is 2023.

Yeah. Yeah. Fuck. I wish he would have went to the UFC because that kid. Why'd he sign that contract? They must up to money. I don't want to put his business out there

but his dad said that AJ is really successful and I think they was paying him monthly on top of everything. They did what they had to do to keep that kid there. Well, that's the thing. If you do have a talented guy that has a potential of being a star, you cannot let him go. Well, Bellator the thing if you do have a talented guy that has a potential of being a star You cannot let him go Well Bellator lost Michael Chandler and look what happened Michael Chandler became a fucking star

Like people don't even know my Michael Chandler fought Eddie Alvarez in some of the craziest fights in Bellator They're both dropping each other. I mean wild wild fights and No one saw them, you know, no one I mean some people saw them I'm exaggerating obviously, but no one in comparison to like who saw him knock out Dan Hooker or when he knocked out Tony Ferguson all right, so so Teach me this so in Bellator maybe their views they get like a million Do they even yeah, they get least I got the numbers when I was when I was fighting I got these like a million one point five

What what like the USC do a free fight? How many million views you think that's a good question? I don't know the answer that so they got to be getting least 20 million if they have a free fight like on ESPN plus I don't know how many people I don't even know how many people are subscribed to ESPN plus But just find that out first because you have to watch it on ESPN or ESPN plus. Let's find that out first. Because you have to watch it on ESPN or ESPN plus. So if they have, well they do a lot of those cards where they, like fight nights, well they'll have it on ESPN as well. ESPN, how many people are watching ESPN? Millions. Millions of people. So if you have like a big event, like a nice fight night, like they had that last one, that was a fight night the one that they did

from Saudi Arabia where Bobby Knuckles Robert Whitaker when he just fought and won that's probably millions and millions of people and then you got all the other people that are watching it all around the world too like it's not just you know it's not just America, it's people watching it in Europe, it's Sky TV, it's like all the other countries that are watching it. The USC is just a bigger name product. People don't know what a Bellator is. That's why they sold it.

I think they were losing money hand over fist. I heard they were losing a lot of money. It's just, it's hard to make money if you're not the UFC. Yeah, but they don't know how to promote. PFL must be making money. I don't think they are. I don't know how they could be. If they're paying a million dollars to the tournament winners, how are they doing that?

I would imagine the only way, I mean, it's one thing because it's a good promotional thing. You tell people how much money they make and you get people like, oh shit, maybe I'll go over there. And you get people thinking they can win the tournament and maybe you can lure like more big-name guys But then PFL has that weird point system that nobody understands. Do you know that? PFL yeah, they got it's a crazy like if you win by stoppage in the first round three points If you win the second round two points third pounds one point. It's like points, but I never watched

I don't tell my watchers when they had their Bellator versus PFL. round, it's two points. Third pound's one point. It's like points. Bro, I never watched it. The only time I watched it was when they had that Bellator versus PFL. Yeah, it's very weird. Well, that was interesting too, because you get to see like there's levels. Like Johnny Eblen versus Mpukasogane. That was really good. Mpukasogane's fucking good.

He's the guy that lost to Joaquin Buckley by that crazy head kick. Oh yeah. That jump spinning back kick head kick Yeah grabs his left leg and Joaquin hops up in the air and hits him a jump spinning back kick today He got kicked out of the UFC We left the UFC and went to PFL and so he was representing PFL and Johnny Eblen Who's the PFL middleweight champion is really fucking good? And he's like one of the guys out there that I looked at I said that guy could be like a UFC star

But input gets agony and him had a war and like him won a lot of that fight. It was a good fight So it's like there's guys out there that are really good fighters. That's my point and nobody's seeing it. Nobody's watching them Well, what happened to that guy that did that that Buckley guy? What happened to him? Oh? He's in a what he's in welter night Welterweight now he dropped down to welterweight, and he's very successful So he's just knocked out Vicente Luque and who did he just knock out in the first round? He just fucked somebody else up, too He's fucking good man, and he keeps getting better Joaquin Buckley just keeps getting better the thing about him

It's like every time you see him fight, that's right. That Ruzabov guy that he fought, that guy's a big dude. He's like six foot three, six foot four, and he fights at 170. Wow. And he beat him by unanimous decision, knocked out Vicente Luque before that.

What's that? Six-five. Yeah, he's six-five at 170. That's nuts. And you know, that guy was like very highly touted going into that fight, but Buckley beat him Buckley at 170 is a real force. He's a real force He's just like he's one of those dudes like he's never stopped He's never gonna stop learning and growing every time you see him It's a better version of Buckley and his cardio is crazy. What camp is yeah, you know

He's got a very small camp in Detroit. You know, it's a very small camp. It's not a big gym I haven't heard of many fights coming out of Detroit. Yeah, there he is Mercy a Lago MMA and it's Detroit, right? Doesn't say I'm 90% sure that's where he's at St. Louis from st. Louis Hmm am I wrong Out of st. Louis so he trains. I'm sorry so shout out to st. Louis. Sorry I confused you with Detroit But point is he's like in a small team. It's not it's not a big team

It's not like he's not a TT year And there's some people that think that that's not good either because like I talked to some dudes that went over to train at ATT and say hey man like you got these dudes coming in from Russia and Dagestan and like you're in wars Every day was that incorrect that is in Michigan Oh, we got their pages says like top MMA So you was so you was wrong the internet was wrong. Okay, and that fucked up Jamie's never Okay, so they're in Michigan Lansing that's it Lansing, Michigan, but let me tell you something y'all Joaquin Buckley's He's he's a real force at 170. I think he could be a champion It's just like he's just gotta keep growing

the way he's growing. But it's like you see these guys when they're on the come up, it's like there's so much potential you never know. And some guys they have so much potential then it just never comes to fruition. It's like that's probably, you can speak to this, that's probably the hardest thing is realizing your potential.

Yeah, yeah. Because you don't know until you get out there, right? And you gotta put it to test. until you get out there, right? And you got to put it to test. And you go out there and some people, you know, you can be really good, right? And you can have like two bad days in the office, right? Lose two fights in a row, then your career is over. Look at Max Holloway, right? People were writing him off.

People thought before he fought Justin Gagey that it was over. And he's only 32. Yeah, you gotta reinvent yourself. You can't listen to all that noise. Put your head down. I lost two fights in a row one time in my career. And I was like, what the fuck is wrong with me? But you gotta put your head down and come back and train. Because knowing that in the beginning of my career, I lost to Marvin Eastman in my first professional fight. Then I went on a long run. I didn't lose again until Sakuraba. Then I lost to Sakuraba and I went on a long run and I didn't lose again until whoever.

Maybe it was Vanity, I can't remember who beat me after that. But you know, you just, and then you lose two fights in a row, then you start thinking like, what's, you start doubting yourself, like what's wrong with me? What's wrong with me? Do I suck now? Is it over? And then you got to have a strong mind. You gotta come out of that. Did you learn how to have a strong mind or is it just something that you, did you read books?

Did you talk to someone? Like, how did you develop having such a strong mind? Do I look like I read motherfuckin' books? Do I sound like I read books? I read one, well, I can read the Bible, but I read two books in my whole motherfuckin' life. What's the other one? Christine. Oh, the Stephen King book? That's a good book. Yeah, I was in jail. You but I read two books in my whole motherfucking life. What's the other one? Christine.

Oh, the Stephen King book? That's a good book. Yeah, I was in jail. I had a bunch of free time on my hands. I went to jail in college and I fucking... What'd you go to jail for? One of my teammates was a fucking asshole and he hit me in the mouth with the payphone receiver.

I got this scar on my lip, whatever side it is. Motherfucker hit me in the mouth and I tried to kill him. And he went to the hospital, I went to jail. It was self defense. But the problem was, what fucked me up is that I went back and stumped him some more. And I think there was no longer self defense once you did that and I didn't know.

You were just in the moment. I was in the moment, I was in the moment. Tim Percy, the one you saw that name up there that got caught with the motherfucker. He was my roommate, he the one that pulled me off the moment. I was in the moment. I was in a moment Tim person the one you saw that name up there That got caught with fuck. He's my roommate. He's the one that pulled me off the motherfucker Oh, wow, and I wish I I wish he would just kept me in that fucking room Maybe I would have it but you know what going going to jail that time that changed my life because you remember I got a real bad temper and that that taught me how to control my temper Going to jail cuz I hated jail. I was there for like 47 days up in Susanville.

That changed my fucking life. I'm like, I don't see how anybody can go to jail or prison and fuck up and go back to that motherfucker. I think you had a life already, and some people don't. And I think they get to jail, and then in jail, you know where you're gonna eat, you know where you're gonna sleep, you know who you're hanging out with,

and then you get out in the real world and you have no skills and nobody wants to deal with you because you're a felon and then you're just lost and you say, I'd rather be inside. Yeah, it is kind of like a, it is like you're in this fucking circle motion where you got this rap sheet and you can't get a job. I can understand that.

People get institutionalized too. They get accustomed to a schedule. I'd rather be out on the street just doing odd jobs. It's something else. When I was growing up, before I started wrestling, I was heading for prison. And I tell this to my boys, the thing that changed my life. My mom got remarried, and her husband had this best friend, his

name was Jerome Jackson. He got the same last name as me because he used to, when I used to get suspended for school, he used to go and put me back in school like he was my dad. I love this guy. He was a musician. And he told me one day, he said, man, God told me to tell you something. And this is back when I was, I'm from the Bible belt, but you know, I believe in God and stuff like that, but I didn't know, you know what I'm from the Bible belt, but I believe in God and stuff like that, but I didn't know. You know what I'm saying? I was like, what, God told you to tell me something? I'm like, yeah, man, he's just,

he put on my mind to tell you something. And I'm gonna tell you. He said, don't judge me, I gotta tell you. He said, with the way you're going and the shit you're doing, you know you're heading straight for prison. I don't know if you know this about me, but I was selling drugs at eight years old. I was just a product of my environment.

Some guys that live across the street from me were a lot older. They liked me, they taught me how to fight. I was drinking and smoking weed at eight. You know what I'm saying? Fucking bitches. I thought I was grown. And they was really smart.

Eight years old, you were fucking? Oh, fuck yeah. Wow. Yeah, my first time fucking I was five. Whoa! Yeah, I just grew up too fast. That's why I'm a big kid now. That's crazy.

Yeah, true story, man. I haven't lied to you yet. Wow. And the guy was really smart. He put drugs, he put the drugs and the guns and stuff on me because I was a kid and he was like, the police is not gonna look at you and if they do take you to juvenile,

your mama can just get you out. But if I go to jail, you'll be fucked up. You know, I grew up kind of poor and I was a middle child. My mom really, she really wasn't studying me really. And so this guy fed me and you know, he gave me money and clothes and stuff, shit I needed. So I didn't want him to go to jail. So I did it for him. And then after a while, he taught me how to sell drugs.

So that's the environment I was in. And that's how I lived, right? And my mom's husband, my stepdad's best friend, he knew it. My mom didn't know I was selling drugs. I was really slick. But he could tell I was living that street life. He said, you know what they do to young men in prison? I'm like, what, no, they fight them?

He said, no, they rape them, they fuck them. I'm like, well, ain't nobody fucking me, I can fight. He said, look, I seen you fight, I know you can fight. Now, at this time, I'm like 15 years old, he telling me this. He said, I seen you fight, but I don't think you can fight five motherfuckers. And I thought about it.

I was like, damn, you know, I used to get jumped a lot, but five motherfuckers in prison, five grown men. I was like, wow, he said, I said, really? He said, yeah, man, they raped kids. I said, this is what God want me to tell you, let you know. I don't think nobody told you, I don't think you know. You're like, so whatever you doing,

you wanna get off that path. And then I was thinking, a lot of my friends was coming up dead and they was going to prison and they was getting hooked on drugs. So I was like, wow, that conversation right there changed my life and we moved to a different side of Memphis and then I started wrestling and nobody knew anything about me. They used to smoke weed, they didn't know anything.

I just changed my whole life from that one conversation. So that's why then I found it my whole life from that one conversation. So that's why then I found it, I had been a juvenile before I got caught driving, like I said, I used to sell crack, so I gave this junkie, he had an IROC, so I gave him some crack. Boy, I'm like 14 years old. You had an IROC?

Yeah, for a couple days. I gave him some crack for his car and I was driving that motherfucker, then the police saw me, I took this one lady, she wanted to go to these projects. I didn't know what she was doing, but you know what she was doing. She had me take her over there,

and the police saw me. I guess it was a hot spot, and I didn't know. And I'm waiting in the car, and it's like eight o'clock in the morning, and the police come up to me like, what the fuck? A little kid driving this car. He said, don't your ass hole be in school.

I couldn't lie my way out of it. I went to Juneau and my mom came and got me out. I was like, what the fuck are you doing? I said, shit, my friend and me borrowed a car. My mom had no idea I was selling drugs. I kept lying to her. She didn't know. And then that was just Juneau.

That's just like wanting to get out. You know what I'm saying? I got in some trouble one time. I was innocent for what happened, but I was in there for two weeks. I didn't think about it, it wasn't that bad. But when I went to jail and in college, I'm like, fuck this, I'm never coming back. But I'm kinda glad it happened,

because it changed my life. I can kinda control my temper better now. That's why I was walking out of that room in the Ultimate Fighter, because I knew I was losing my temper. I threw that water bottle, and I was trying to get out of it, and that door got in my fucking way.

So I didn't wanna lose my temper, because I didn't know if I was gonna to get out of there and that door got in my fucking way. So I didn't want to lose my temper because I didn't know if I was going to punch Rashard or anybody came up to me. I didn't know, I just wanted to get out of there and I was like fuck this shit. But I'm glad that shit happened to me in college changed my fucking life. I can control myself now.

Long as nobody don't punch me out of like violence and nothing like that, I think I can control it. Everything else, I just think about I ain't of like violence and nothing like that. I think I can control it everything else I you know, I just think about I ain't going back to prison fuck that Well, you've been able to control your mind and so many fights, you know that alone I mean that how many people get tested like that? Fights don't bother me with sparring is where where where I have to control myself. Really? Yeah fights don't bother me Sparring is where I lose my temper a little bit,

but I'm scared because I feel like I'm gonna go hog wild and lose my cardio. Oh. That's the only reason why I try to control it in fighting and in sparring. Oh, the worst is like losing your temper when you're sparring. Yeah, that's why I lose it. Because you get tired quick. Bro, I sparred Luke Rockhold. I hadn't sparred in a long time and he's a Southpaw,

he's tall, his stand up is fucking good. And I just, I thought I was gonna be fighting Shannon, so I was like, oh, let me star spar. And he kicked the shit out of me. I'm like, he didn't even fucking let up. It's like it was fucking field day for his ass. I was so fucking mad, I tried to knock him the fuck out. And I was so arrested, hadn't sparred in years.

My old ass in there with him. I hate southpaws. And he kicked the shit out of me. I was like, all right. And then next day I started running, because my cardio was bad, everything was bad. I started running, I was waiting to spar his ass back. I said, I'm gonna knock this motherfucker out.

So right now, are you training at all? Are you training? Yeah, I started running. I was waiting to spar his ass back. I said I'm gonna knock this motherfucker out So right now are you training at all? Yeah. Yeah, I'm training. I've been sparring and moving around I just did like my first Japanese pro wrestling match with Josh Burnett blood. Yes. Oh, yeah So I started training MMA with my son I could you know I can I didn't have anybody to train with because my times is fucking crazy because I got a podcast now because of your ass You got everybody doing fucking podcasts. Crazy, huh? It's crazy, man.

Everybody's momma got a fucking podcast because of your motherfucking ass. That shit is so time consuming. It takes up time, but it's a great way to be your own boss. Yeah. That's the best thing. And you're a funny guy.

Your Jackson podcast, that's a great podcast. It's fun, I watch it all the time. For real? I watch it a bunch of times, yeah. Oh, thanks, man. Yeah, you have great clips, too. Because it's good, man, it's a good thing for you to do because you could do that forever. People were asking me to do it for years

and I was like, man, I don't have the drive to do that shit myself, but my friend Barrett, he got everything set up and he does everything and I just come and sit down. And people start liking it, I said, okay, I guess I'm doing a podcast now. That's all you have to do, someone has to set it up for you.

If someone's got a good personality, they should totally do it. Because it's a way that you can make a living. You don't have to get hit, you don't have to be in shape, you don't have to do anything. Just show up and talk about shit. Yeah, yeah.

But how long is shit gonna last? Because I felt like it was watered down. I feel like everybody got a podcast now. If you're good. Yeah, yeah. But how long this shit gonna last? Because I felt like it was watered down. I feel like everybody got a podcast now. If you're good. Yeah, everybody has a podcast. There's five million of them. Five million. Five million podcasts.

You started, how long ago you started? 15 years ago. Oh, God damn. Yeah. Yeah. Started in the beginning. There wasn't that many back then. There was only a few.

What made you start your podcast? I always wanted a radio show, but nobody was ever gonna give me a radio show. So I would do radio shows, and I'd be like, man, this is fun. It's fun to just sit around with friends and talk shit. And then when I started doing Opie and Anthony, Opie and Anthony was a show on Sirius XM.

And when I first did it, they were on the regular radio. And then they went to Sirius and Sirius XM. And you could, maybe I didn't do it when they were on the regular radio and then they went to Sirius and Sirius XM and you could maybe I didn't do it when they were on the regular radio but the point was like you could swear when they were on Sirius so it was in I would be on with like four or five other comedians we would have a ball it was so fun I would look it was the only show I'd look forward to getting up for I'd get up early in the morning smoke a joint get a cup of coffee go in that room and everybody

would just talk shit. We had so much fun. I was like, damn, I wish I had a radio show. But no one would hire me for a radio show. And so I thought about it, I was like, nah, I'll fuck it up anyway. I talked about too many crazy things. It's like, I need to just do something on the internet. Even if no one's gonna listen.

I was like, at least it'd be fun. In the beginning, you know, if we got a thousand people watch it, that was a lot. Nobody was watching it. But I thought it was fun, so I just kept doing it. And then it just kept growing. I didn't promote it, I didn't take out ads, I didn't make videos, please watch my podcasts.

I didn't go on other podcasts and tell people to watch my podcast. I just kept doing it I just kept doing it. Just kept doing it. Just kept doing it. Just work ethic. And then eventually it started making money. I was like, all right.

During COVID, I heard people complaining that your podcast was more listened to than the news and people was hating on you. Like when you was talking about hypermectic and stuff. Oh my God. Well, they were threatened. They were troubled. Well, that was also, they were being paid off

by the medical establishment. They were being paid off. They were being paid to promote this one thing, and that was the vaccine. And anybody that said anything other than the vaccine, I mean, CNN did me so dirty. They changed the color of my skin to make me look yellow and sick.

They kept saying I was taking horse deworming. I got prescribed medicine by a doctor. Not only that, it was only one of the things that I took. I took a bunch of things. But they did not want this video of me saying I got better in three days. So it's a video of me. You see the real video.

I look fine. I was fine. I wasn't lying. I wouldn't lie. And I had to cancel these shows because I was doing shows with Chappelle that weekend We were supposed to be doing this arena and I had to say I'm sorry We're gonna reschedule it, but I've I got kovat

That's the only reason why I made that video if I didn't have shows that I had to cancel I would have never made that video. I only made that video because I had to cancel the shows So I said I feel great, it was three days ago, threw the kitchen sink at it, I said all these drugs I took, IV multivitamins, monoclonal antibodies, I said all this stuff that I took, Z-Pak, but they locked in on this horse dewormer to try to make me a fool.

But what they didn't know back then, because people that, I didn't talk about it. I never like, but they didn't know how big the podcast was. Oh no, no, no, no No, they didn't know how big that that's the problem, but they knew the drug worked, right? They did know the drug work and it did work and it worked for a lot of people that didn't take all the other stuff That I took I was better quick six days after that. I did ten rounds on the bag I worked out five days after I got sick and I'm like, I feel pretty good next day

I'm gonna push it and then the next day I said, all right, there's one way to find out how good I feel. Set the timer up, let's do some rounds. And I did 10 solid rounds on the bag. At the end I was like, I feel 100%. I feel totally normal. I swear by it, I knew, when you talked about it, I knew you was right because I had learned about it

like a while ago, a little bit before when COVID first started happening, because I got this friend, she's a box with Floyd Mayweather's dad, and her name is Ms. Knockout. She got this assistant from some South American country, and they had symptoms like COVID years ago, like maybe 15, 20 years ago, and they took Ivermectin.

And so she told me about it. She said, if you get COVID, let me know, I'm gonna get you some Ivermectin. I had never heard of it. She said, if you get COVID, let me know, I'm gonna get you some Ivermectin. I had never heard of it. She said, my assistant had COVID, and she got rid of it in six days and have a negative, to give a negative test. I said, okay, I keep it on my radar.

And my son caught COVID, I never caught COVID, but my son caught COVID and I got the medicine. And I gave it to him. And they could have saved a lot of lives. And they still to this day ridicule it still to this day people ridicule it But meanwhile doctors prescribed it and one of the reasons why they prescribed it is because there's a reason there's a medical reason It stops viral replicate replication in vitro That means in cell cultures when you put ivermectin in with the virus it stops the virus from replicating

So it may just make sense that it would stop it in the human body too. It stops yellow fever and dengue. They've used it for river blindness. They've used it for a bunch of different diseases. It's also very healthy. It's not a dangerous drug. It's just one of the safest drug profiles of any drug. It's not a dangerous thing to take.

But do you think your body get used to it? Because I take it for colds, because I hate colds. I don't think it's something that you get used to, no. Because I remember when I first started taking it, because I stocked up on the case I got COVID, and I got like a runny nose and a cold, and I took it away right away, right?

And then the next couple times it took away, then like the fourth time I got a cold, it didn't. They tried to, well, that could have been just a different cold or different intensity of the cold, but they tried to ban a lot of other things secretly that also Help people one of the things was thymus in thymus in is a peptide. It's a safe peptide. There's no history of like negative side effects and they they tried to ban it because people were using thymusin to get over COVID. They tried to do everything they could to make people take the vaccine

because that's what was profitable. Everything. They tried to stop people from taking monoclonal antibodies which also helped heal you but they didn't want any alternatives. So when they started attacking me, they were only attacking me because people could say, oh, Joe Rogan got better. Oh, he's healthy and he works out. I don't need that fucking vaccine of that

55 year old man took it and he's fine quick Yeah, and they didn't like they exaggerated how many people died the whole thing was fucked man The whole thing was fucked they treated us like we were a bunch of sheep and a lot of people acted like they're a bunch of sheep Yeah, a lot of people you like they were a bunch of sheep. A lot of people, you know, and they didn't have any alternative news sources other than podcasts. And so then they were just ridicul, why are people listening to podcasts

and they should be listening to doctors? Well because we don't lie. That's why. I might be wrong. I might be wrong about things. I'll be wrong about things, I'm sure. But I don't fucking lie. I'm not a liar.

They're liars. They're liars and they're on TV. The TV is filled with liars. I don't even watch the news no more fucking more Yeah, I don't trust that shit. You shouldn't trust that shit I mean, I don't trust mainstream news anymore if they're telling you something someone's telling them to tell you something Some of the things might be true, but the reasons for those things being true. They're probably not telling the truth I'm gonna tell you COVID and all this stuff that happened, it woke me up to a lot of things where just not trusted government and stuff and everything.

And I'm gonna be 100 right now. The main reason why I decided not to take the vaccine is because I saw the interview with Bill and Melinda Gates. Really? That interview, them saying that they gotta give it to blacks and Latinos first, I was like, oh, fuck that, I'm not taking it. They never want to give our black ass shit first.

Fuck that. That's why I didn't take it. I didn't take this shit. Just because of the history of them giving vaccines to people in Africa. There's some horror stories. They gave vaccines to people in Africa where they told these people that it was for, it was the DTP vaccine, but it had HCG in it, which is something that stops women from being fertile. And they gave it to them on a schedule that didn't make sense.

So people started investigating. They found that they were putting enough HCG in it to make sure these women didn't have kids. They basically vaccinated them against being pregnant. And who knows what the fuck that's doing to their bodies It's fucked up and they didn't tell when they were doing it Bro, there's a lot of a lot of sketchy stuff So I see Fauci is getting trouble, but how can nobody say anything about Bill Gates? And why will we listen to him about medicine in a way about anything health? Yeah, he's fat

He's got a big pot belly. But he's a computer guy. Not only that, he's got no medical degree. I mean, I don't even think he has a college degree. And he looks like shit. Like why are you taking health advice from a guy that looks like shit, just because he invested a bunch of money in the company? I couldn't figure that out.

Why is he even on television talking about it? Doesn't make any sense. I couldn't figure that shit out for the life of me. Money, it's all money. That's what I was pointing at. He made a lot of money off those vaccines, by the way. he made a lot of money off those vaccines by the way he made a lot of money and he dumped dumped all stock and then he started talking shit about the vaccine he's talking shit about the next talked about it afterwards they wasn't as effective

as we'd hoped it didn't stop transmission like oh oh now you tell us the crazy thing was that people that was taking the vaccine, they were the super spreaders. Well what happens is, unfortunately, there's different strains of the vaccine. And one of the things that they've realized with, one of the things that virologists will say is you never vaccinate during a pandemic. The reason they say, and again I'm not an expert, but the reason they say is when you vaccinate during a pandemic it encourages variants. Because what happens is when you have a vaccine it targets a very specific strain of the virus. So then new strains come around that evade the vaccine's

immunity. And so then you have all these new strains. Over time it makes the virus weaker. So the new viruses get weaker and weaker so it makes the virus weaker. So the new viruses get weaker and weaker so that they get more infectious. So they can infect you, but it doesn't kill you. So you could spread it to more people. That's how viruses survive. They're sneaky little clever motherfuckers, these viruses. But when they do that, I mean, this is what veterinarians were saying, all these different virologists were saying, like you don't not, but they silenced all those people. That was the craziest thing that happened, is they silenced legitimate experts.

They banned them from being on social media. They banned them from talking about it on YouTube. People from Harvard, Stanford, were like legitimate doctors who had a differing opinion about how things were handled. And they were silenced and treated like fools. It's evil. They pay all that money for their education.

And then when it's time to use it again, help a lot of people. Not only that, science is always supposed to be questioned. Science is all about a bunch of different experts giving peer review on a subject, right? But they're not supposed to be biased and bought and paid for. But that's the problem with today.

Whenever there's so much money involved in one thing, like a vaccine or any kind of medicine, supposed to be biased and bought and paid for. But that's the problem with today. Whenever there's so much money involved in one thing, like a vaccine or any kind of medicine, you get a bunch of people that are willing to bullshit in order to sell that medicine. And so when someone doesn't want to do that and they have a different opinion, it doesn't go with the narrative, they just make that person out to be a crazy. That's a crackpot. They're nuts. Meanwhile, these are like legitimate PhDs, like legitimate scientists. Well respected up until that moment in their field. But you know what, I ask myself sometimes,

like what if I was in that situation, would I sell out? They get so much. I always say that about UFOs. Like I would lie. Show me the UFOs. I won't tell nobody. I'll tell, I'll say I'll tell bullshit. I will lie.

I'll lie. Show me. Show me, I'll sell show me show me I'll sell out for that I'll sell for aliens. You really believe in that huh? No, you know, you got all these Yeah, yeah, I know but I don't why I do kind of this is what I think I think the odd if if there's alien life out there I think if you look at the just the immense size of the universe there's hundreds of billions of galaxies and each galaxy has hundreds of billions of solar systems. The odds of there not being other

life out there is almost zero. I think it is zero. I think for sure there's other life out there. And if there was other life out there, if they found out about us, these crazy territorial apes that have nuclear weapons and they have cell phones and they take pictures And if there was other life out there if they found out about us these crazy Territorial apes that have nuclear weapons and they have cell phones and they're taking pictures of their dicks And they're fucking sending videos across the world They're stealing resources and pulling oil out killing all the fish I'd be like these fucking things are nuts this this species on earth The dominant species is completely insane. They lie on the news, they pretend they're monogamous and they're not, they're doing

drugs, everyone's saying just say no to drugs while they're on drugs. It's a crazy species. They elect officials, the officials get paid off by everybody and they're all lying about this. They're getting people into wars, they're getting people into pandemics because they're doing research on viruses and the viruses accidentally get out and they go nope that was just a wild virus happen I knew it wasn't they're just liars if I was an alien I would be studying us like crazy I would visit I think they

probably have visited but I also don't believe the government so when the government says they have off-world vehicles they're not not from this earth like oh you guys got a drone that you don't want anybody know about yeah I So when the government says they have off-world vehicles, they're not from this earth, like, oh, you guys got a drone that you don't want anybody to know about. I think that's a lot of it. But I'ma tell you this, brother. I'ma tell you this.

Your boy Eddie Bravo, he knows some shit, but he just sound crazy when he say it. Oh, he knows a lot. He knows a lot of shit. Eddie knows a lot. He's definitely wrong about some things. He's wrong about, come on, we all are, but I'ma tell you, when I watch him,

and I watch him explain stuff, I'm like. He goes deep. He goes deep, and it's just how he explains it. He knows a lot about conspiracies that are absolutely legit. He educates me on some, and where I start reading about him, I'm like, oh shit, he's right. You know, and you find out some things about the government,

and things about what they've done before, Operation Paperclip, they've brought in all the Nazis to start NASA. You're like, what? NASA was started by Nazis? And then you realize that, you're like, what? And then the Kennedy assassination, you just, there's so many conspiracies that turn out to be real. Look at the coincidences, like, there's too many. And so I think there are extraterrestrials, but I don't think they're from outer space. That's possible too, right? They come from the water. Right, that's possible.

Cause they come from the other side of the ice wall. Oh, you're gonna get into that. No, I'm not. I'm not. And he's right about that part. I don't think he's right about that. I think that there's too much evidence that it's not true. Also it's like the way planets are formed.

We know how planets are formed. There's a reason why they're all circular. It's like all the mass coalesces in the center and the gravity and the way things spin. It all forms balls. But the idea that we know what the fuck is going on the ocean is ridiculous. We don't know what's going on in 90% of the ocean. And the water surface is three-quarters of the earth. So three-quarters of the earth we don't know 90% about it. I know that's crazy. There's a lot of people that see things coming out of the water and

going into the water. Also if I was from another planet and I wanted to come here and make a base I just do it in the water they can't see shit. If they have the kind of capability that allows them to come here from other galaxies they could easily make a base under the water. Yeah that's probably what the Bermuda triangle is we don't fucking know.'s probably what the Bermuda Triangle is. We don't fucking know. Well, they think the Bermuda Triangle is methane getting released under the floor of the ocean. And what it does is when it comes up, it kills all the buoyancy. You know, that's...

It makes boats sink. No, no, they have like... they know where it is. That sounds like when I watched Men in Black and right away, they hit you with that thing. They hit you with that thing that that sounds like when I watch the men in black and right It could be there's something under the water that's thinking I don't think it is though I think there's like a valid scientific reason so this this these gases get released and apparently if there's a boat above when all These get like we're talking about immense Spaces of this gas gets released those boats just sink and it's not just that It's like the updraft of this stuff can fuck up planes. Yeah, there's a lot of theories about what causes It's also like there's so many storms in that area of Bermuda So that it makes sense that more ships would go down in those areas, too

Yeah, but I still think there's probably something in there There's probably something in the water Have you seen that video that one craft that the they're watching on night vision and it flies over the water and then goes down Into the water. No, I haven't seen that they call them trans medium crafts. They've been observed by multiple fighter jet pilots different people on fighter on Battleships they've observed them going into the water. And they think that's UFOs? They think there's something going on.

They don't know if it's China's or Russia's or it could even be ours. That's the thing that drives me crazy. See, this was the problem is right now we got cell phones, right, with the cameras and technology's so good, we can see a lot more things than we could like 20, 30 years ago, right?

So I feel like if the military has a lot of stuff they don't want us to know about, they can say like, oh, it's a UFO. But why are they telling us now that it, you know, now- Right. Exactly. That's exactly how I feel. When they're telling you that it's a UFO, I'm like,

haaah. And the thing is they're always happening near military bases. They're always happening in the coast to the water off of San Diego That's all military all over San Diego. Yeah, East Coast in the all of the restricted air spaces That's where they see these things which is exactly where they would practice if they had these things If they was if we got our technology strong enough, or we could go to different planets, would you would you like to go? No, I'd be scared as fuck that

Yeah, fuck that we talked about like they do SpaceX flights Would you like to go? No. I'd be scared as fuck. Fuck that. I'd be scared as fuck. Fuck that. Yeah, fuck that. We talked about like they do SpaceX flights. I'm like, uh-uh. I ain't gonna be that dude that dies like that. Fuck that. Imagine the feeling you would have, how stupid you would feel.

If you're up in the jet or in the rocket and you hear, this thing start breaking. Boom. You don't feel stupid for a couple of seconds. Boom. Right before that thing blew, you'd probably be like, Things start breaking Right before that thing blew you'd probably like my dumb ass could be at home with a margarita right now I could be at home with my feet up on the fucking couch watching TV or out in the yard Listen to birds chirp my stupid ass is

Dying so just so I can get a couple hundred miles above the surface and look down because that's all you can get Yeah, you only get a couple hundred miles. You can't really go to another planet yet. I don't want to go to another planet. Elon trying to go to Mars? Fuck, I'm not going to be one of those dudes. I'm staying right here. How you think those dudes felt

when they tried to go see the Titanic? Bro. What was they thinking, bro? They're just rich people that for whatever stupid reason wanted to go on an adventure. But not only that, they're looking through a screen. They're looking through a screen. They just wanted to be there.

But the moment before that thing fucking imploded, apparently it was free falling before it imploded, so they knew it was over. They knew it was over for a few seconds before it did. I would have had a heart attack, I think. I would have probably got a heart attack. I bet a lot of them did. They probably hyperventilated, went into shock. Coming in was on there? I don't know. I would have had a heart attack I think I would probably I bet a lot of them did they probably free

They probably hyperventilated went into shock coming in was on there. I don't know Yeah So they're talking about doing it again All right, so so no one has been able to go down to the Titanic. So it's so it's too far. Well, no, they've sent They had man craft that went down to the Titanic because I went to the Titanic Museum this past weekend at the Luxor in Vegas. They have a chunk of it. You could see like this big piece that they pulled up and different artifacts they pulled up. So they did go down there and attach

things with man crafts and then they pulled them up with some kind of drone. But I do think people have, actually, I think James Cameron actually went down there. Here it is, the 14th trip, yeah. The Titan made the first of several dives to the famous shipwreck of the world. While generally successful, these expeditions hadn't been without their own problems.

The fatal dive was the vessel's 14th trip to the remains of the Titanic. Oh, it probably just wore out then. It probably just. Probably. Well apparently the people that designed it and built it were telling them there was flaws in it. And there was a lot of lawsuits coming, I'm sure. Because there was a lot of whistleblowers

that wound up leaving the corporation, the company rather, that developed these things. They're like, this is not tested for the kind of pressure that's down there. And you're sending people down there. I just believe there's certain things that man shouldn't, certain places man shouldn't go. Certain things.

Bottom of the ocean is one of them. We just shouldn't go. Why go, why, why? Certain things we shouldn't do. I don't think we should be jumping out of planes and all that shit either though. I just don't believe that. I'm not interested.

I'm not interested in that. People who go, you should go skydiving. No, you go skydiving. Fuck that. My friend, his dad, used to work with this lady. And when he would go into work, she's like, you should go skydiving with us. And then one day he goes to work and she's not there.

And he's like, what happened? I was like, skydiving. But I tell you what, it looks fun though. You seen them motherfuckers in those squirrels looking suits? Oh yeah! That shit look fun, but I see it on tiktok But they scared like they be like what if they hit a tree going at motherfucking fast You ever see the one where the guy hits the bridge no

We'll watch this and we'll end this podcast show the one where the guy hits the bridge in the squirrel suit So this dude was trying to go through the arches of the bridge and he missed it here watch this So he's on the thing and he's trying to fly past the bridge and he's got a bunch of people on the bridge watching this dude like oh my god this is amazing it looks fun yeah I mean he's going like a hundred and something miles an hour too so he's trying to figure out how to get through this bridge, but watch this. Oh, fuck! Bro, that sound, that's a horrible sound. He just misjudged, well he just exploded, huh?

Oh yeah, yeah. Just misjudged, why would you try to go through the bridge? Fuck that. Showing off with all the... Showing off, yeah. Fuck that. Just wanna do something, people have done things like that, they fly between buildings, they do a bunch of wild shit with those coral suits on but if you misjudge it

That's your ass showing up Showing off Quentin. Thank you, sir. Thank you for hanging you. It's been a great experience It's been great to be here and to hang out with you man. See you after all these years Yeah, I know it's been a long time. I'm gonna hold you to those those tickets. Yes, sir. I got you I got you for two tickets. Because Tiki always let me down. I get two? You got two.

I'ma bring me somebody. Come on bro, bring me somebody. Yeah. I think that's September 14th. So I got you. September 14th. Yes sir. I'll be there.

It's gonna be a banging car. It's gonna be crazy inside that thing with all the, the whole ceiling is a screen. Yeah. So I mean, who knows what they're gonna put up there. It's gonna be wild. Apparently they've been working on it this entire time. They've been working on it for months. I think they already spent nine million dollars just on the production 16 16 now

What's up? What's easy? They got fucking they worth billions now. So yeah throwing that money. Yeah Tell everybody where to get your podcasts. Oh, they can go to what Jackson on YouTube, right? I think it's on Spotify Just to hear it's two X's or one X? Yeah, two X's. Oh, like your shirt. Like your shirt. There you go. Oh, thanks for the plug, brother. No, no worries.

So, it's Jackson Podcasts on YouTube, and is it on everything like Spotify, Apple? No, I think we just got on Spotify. We used this to it. But tell them about the energy drink. And your energy drink. It's good. I'm glad you like it.

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