The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #163 - Protect Ya Neck

Episode Date: September 12, 2024

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Joe Rogan Podcast, checking in. The Joe Rogan Experience. Trained by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day. Gentlemen, we still don't have a name for this. We're not the Cucks, right? We got rid of that? I don't know, what was wrong with the Cucks? The Cucks is okay.

Protect your neck. What happened with Protect Your Neck? Protect your neck. I think Protect Your Neck is best. That's the best one. Yeah, let's go with Protect Your Neck. I'm down with that. Protect Your Neck is a good one.

Yeah, I'm down for that. Protect Your Neck. Wu Tang theme song. Yeah, Wu Tang, perfect. Protect Your Neck, beautiful. Yeah, the theme song's already done for us. Exactly. We got it.

There's two Wu Tang songs I always listen to when I'm going to an arena, when I'm doing a show. It's Protect Your Neck and Gravel Pit. Those two, they just get you in the groove. Especially Gravel Pit. Oh! There it is. I hear a train plane comin' at ya. This our theme song, boys.

I like it. That's all we got without getting kicked off of YouTube. Even that might get us in trouble. You alright there, Rollo? Nah, my head feels... Are you fingering that skull? get us in trouble. You all right there, Rallo? Are you fingering that skull? Not hearing anything right now. All right, we gotta pause real quick to see if Jamie can fix this.

We'll pause. Can you hear now, Rallo? Yes, sir. Here we go. Hey, you know what we never tried? What? The smelling salts. We got them right here.

Oh, yeah, you waited. But we gotta show Dean the sheathing. Oh, what is the fucking sheathing? What is that?'s when when metal rings Rings are with the rubber Ring to the gym it like you could drop a weight on rip mat. Oh, all right. Turn it on. Don't wear a ring to the gym. Like you could drop a weight on or rip your finger off. Like for real. You wear these. Yeah. These are great. Exactly right. These are great. Just don't wear nothing. That way you can cheat too.

Well, I think the goofiest looking one is the tattooed ring. Yeah. That one's goofy. It's almost as bad as the bicep with the fucking chain with the, you know, the old school barbed wire. I'm actually wearing my Marvel ring. It says Marvel on it. There you go. Good man. It says Marvel on it. It does actually say Marvel on it. Your wife will shame your fucking ass.

This fucking dork. I'm married to dorks. I You can use it like a slingshot, that's great. Yeah, I heard about a dude in God, I forget who's who's Jim? one of the one some big name dude, and he took a photo of one of his students and said, don't ever come onto my mat with a ring on, ever. Ever again. This is what happens, and he posted it. I don't remember who posted it, but fuck, man,

it's like, you can't, it's just too dangerous. You basically have a metal wedge on your finger. You could do anything heavy if you're in the outdoors, if you're climbing something, it can just dig right into your meat and rip your fucking finger. When I was um, when I was uh, when I was fighting, when I was champ, I had the uh, I just got married, I was telling you earlier, and when I had the ring on, this was before they had the rubber rings, you know and and guys get excited to see you so I suppose you give them the hand they squeeze your fingers so excited to do it. I'm like dude you're trying to be nice and I'm like get me my hand back motherfucker. I wonder if that's why you wear a wedding ring on your left hand so you shake hands with your right.

I mean that's good. It's good Especially I hate those douchebags that always try to give you that fucking they have a nice squeeze They got the tips and they don't like that. I break your hand I don't like my fucking nerves when you squeeze your fingers a bitch move shake your head. It's a bitch Firm handshake like a man with a firm handshake and that's a little bit fish I like a firm handshake, but I don't like that finger squeezing bullshit Oh, yeah, yeah Would relax their hand Give each other a nice firm hand right for sure even that like one guys try to over like they got a real strong grip

They try to fucking give you that squeeze. I just feel especially my right hand like I got a fucking bump here from Shoney caught his head And it's still like I said to double rap it when I hit with long go after a while So when guys squeeze that shit, I feel like I dude I got beat with the grip, but I'll fucking strangle the fuck So when guys squeeze that shit, I feel like I dude I beat with the grip but I'll fucking strangle the fuck It's like men feel so uncomfortable when they're around a guy like you they don't know how to behave I grew some coffee. Yeah, I'm doing like a sneak. Do you want this press? Oh, do you want a cup? There's a cup cuz it's a lot better Yeah, I make a mess cuz like, you know when they get around a guy like you

They don't know what to do We got cuz guys like always like to pretend that they could be another guy's ass even they're just posturing a lot fuck that guy I'm like you also know like Wait, that's what I'm trying to get over 200 just so I can posture on them back I'm saying flex a little bit like if you're meeting Francis and Gano how fucking terrifying Like oh what the fuck I'm the first time I interviewed him I'll stand next to him like what the fuck man That guy is so powerful. He's fighting a guy bigger than him That guy is so powerful. He's fighting a guy bigger than him

He is good he's like six eight he KO'd Ryan Bader and real quick right wasn't like Something yeah Clean right hand yeah, let's watch that because this guy's good dude like this I've ever seen a fight. I've seen the size of after he's a bad mother. You have to think you know He fights Anthony Joshua that was a bad KO from one of the best knockout artists in boxing right? How tall is this guy's big? Fast man, and he does a lot of wild shit. He throws a lot of kicks and knees He's good. How much taller is he than a few inches? I think Francis is like his Francis is like six four six five is he something like that this guy's he's taller

Francis is bigger though for sure, but this guy's fucking dangerous man And he's real long like watch this combination when he lands it on Bader see Bader can't close the distance here he's having a hot this guy's from the outside right hand he waited for him to throw watch that again that shit was perfect watch that again look at the timing on this guy man watch this Bader's trying to close he's trying to close check out this do you watch this fade away a little to his left? Boom! Oh! I mean, that's right over the jam. Right over the jam. That guy can do that to any, that guy's dangerous, man. He's fucking dangerous.

His footwork was real, real nice. The beta is also 40 and you know. 100%, 100%. But beta at heavyweight's been doing pretty good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Especially in the Bellator testing. Like, what kind of test is that? What test is that? That's been doing pretty good. Especially in the Bellator testing. What kind of test is that? That's a multiple choice test.

How many times did Bobby Lashley compete? No disrespect to Bobby Lashley. But still. We know what's up. He was always on an Indian reservation somewhere. No real commitment. Bro, what a body though. He looked like he was half a pop.

Bobby Lashley is the only guy I've ever fought in MMA that looked like he could enter a bodybuilding competition the day of the fight. Mark Kerr in his prime too. But Bobby Lashley had everything. Randleman was free. Oh Randleman for sure. Yeah but we know, but we... Bobby Lashley, yo Bobby. He looks like a WWE guy. He is. He was and he can fight man. random He could fight but he like a d2 national champ or something like that is a yeah, he was yeah He was a real legit fighter legit fighter, but they know why you trust in positive or negative

189 in college. Also, he's 48. Whoa. You know, but look, no disrespect. Guy looks fucking great. It's amazing some guys are natural, like Paulo Costa. He's just got the genes, son. Is he natural? I don't know.

I mean, I guess he is. Maybe. What do you think? I think he plays it up with the secret juice. Right. I don't love that shit. You'd be talking that much shit if you know, I think everything he always looks the same He never tests positive and the guy has crazy genetics. Look how handsome he is

The guys got freak genetics just in looks and also in his build he's been tested a billion times Fuckers have chemists out there. Hey, you used to work for American Top Team. Tell us the secrets. Tell us the secrets that they got over in that fucking, tell them, tell them. It's not a secret, man. It's not a secret. I want to know what the fuck happens over there.

I am not going to Juliana Pena this one. No. I am not Juliana Pena. No. I'm not doing that. I'm not going there. You know you're getting paid by them. Oh my god.

Oh my god. By the way, great work with by them. Oh my God. Oh my God. By the way, great work with Sean Brady. Oh yeah. Sean Brady's an animal, man. Bro, he looked great. He looked great. Yeah, man. He's a hardworking kid.

I know he was on this show before. He's young, hardworking, and he's on his way up. Bro, he's got a double-sized back. When you're behind him, his back's like... Looks like he's got a turtle shell. Yes, like it's double-sized. And that's genetic. Like, his father has like... Looks like he's got a turtle shell on him. Yes, like it's double-sized. And that's genetic, like his father has that.

That's crazy. His fight the other night with Gilbert Burns was fucking smart, man. Because he... even though he has really, really good wrestling, he knew not to shoot his wide trying to get him down. Because Gilbert's fucking... What I love about Gilbert, and it happened in the Damien Maya fight is Is if he's getting out wrestled the second he hits his floor the floor right into jiu-jitsu sweeps half-cords He's playing jiu-jitsu. They go to play back. He's back to his feet One of the very best ever on the ground

It's like we've just seen him in so many stand-up wars because it's so fucking hard to get people to the ground, right? Right, right. I love that's where it becomes a problem, right? It's just so hard to get a world-class guy to the ground. Well, I mean, so when Hamzat fought Gilbert, Hamzat was on top for a second. And as soon as Gilbert started playing, it was just who Hamzat was like, get me the fuck out of here.

He stood up quick. But that's actually so smart about Brady, though, because he was patient up against the cage, and then he waited to the later rounds.'s the younger guy he's banking on his cardio then he started committing to those doubles and now he's got a better chance of getting more time. If you look at him in comparison to like he doesn't have the same accolades as far as Jiu-Jitsu competitions as Gilbert does but he's like world-class. For sure for sure. He really is.

Definitely with Craig Jones he'd be good. Yeah, he'd be Craig Jones. There might have been a thing with him. There was a special rules thing. There were no leg locks. That was it, there were no leg locks. Which is, you know, with Craig Jones. That's a big part of his game.

Yeah, if you're gonna compete against that guy, you gotta let him use the whole game. It's the whole game. You don't say you can't use your best stuff. And they were, yeah. That's crazy. I mean, that was funny. It was pretty stale, but Brady can hang

with anybody on the ground. Like he's so strong, he. That's crazy. I mean, it was funny. It was pretty stale, but Brady can hang with anybody on the ground, like he's so strong, he can hang with anybody. And I firmly believe that Craig Nelson, Craig Jones rather, if Craig Jones got him in any kind of a position, like a heel hook, he would never rip his shit apart. Right, yeah, no doubt.

There's no chance. But I understand these UFs, the fighters, the current fighters, I am like, look what happened to Cubs Swanson. I'm all for these guys taking grappler matches, but I'm right for them taking it with certain rules cuz Fuck it comes from I was trying to tell that to Khalil roundtree cuz clear around she before he got the title fight was In here. He was telling me he was gonna take a grappling match. I go think about Cubs Swanson Blows his ACL out. He's gone for nine ten ten months and he's in the in the 30s

He's a real a death sentence almost it can't he came back you can come back, but it's so unnecessary Yeah, I get you're a badass, but you're also a professional athlete. Yeah, can't be motorbike riding. Well, it's our only did it Zaroni must be the biggest headache He did it like it's your only must be the biggest headache Geez I don't remember him getting pulling out of too many fights though. I don't believe I ever did I don't remember a single fight. I mean there might have been one his whole career But it had he had to have a broken fucking but he was still reckless as fuck Like we were still out there going dumps adrenaline junkie man. Yeah, he's a freak still out there doing it He's still out there doing seems a while man stick around too long in the game

Yeah, but that's also why he's so much fun to watch man because he genuinely didn't give a fuck You know in the early days of his career man. He was very interesting because he's a wild kickboxer that had a great triangle Yeah, yeah, he finished off a lot of his Jiu-jitsu, right? Yeah, he was yeah finished off a lot of his early fights with Jiu-Jitsu. Right. He was good off his back. Nasty off his back. So the guys would want to take him down and then he'd throw up that triangle. His first fight with Benson Henderson was one of the sickest fights ever.

He had Benson in a hundred different submissions and Benson got out all of them. It was pretty sick. Several triangles. Benson doesn't get enough love. Benson doesn't get enough love. Yeah, it was a great fight when they were in the WEC. Damn dude do you think about all the fucking wars that a lot of people have forgot about. Yeah I know. Because there's so many fights now. Right. Like it's not like when I was when we were fighting back in the day it was it was far and few in between. It was an event because

there was only a few a year. right people forgot about Jose all those beginnings WEC was there anybody really better Complete fire yeah, he's for sure to WEC fight you can't look you can't keep that pace whatever that pace is when a guy is at the top of the food chain You can't keep that pace up for very long. He kept it for 10 years I always say you have to look at a guy By where he was when he was at its best like if we're gonna do this like who's the best guy everything That's why I always throw BJ Penn in there

Yeah, me too cuz be too and you fought him Yeah, a pen in his fucking prime was a demon and he ran through everybody But when he was in his prime it was like BJ and then everybody else. Yes, for sure. You just can't keep that up forever. For sure. If you look at Aldo, like the Aldo that fought Uriah, man, what he did to Uriah's leg? How tough is Uriah?

How many dudes would have tapped? How many dudes would have just rolled over and that would have been the end of it? I think Aldo respected him and actually backed off towards the end. I think he did too. You know what I mean? It's like, the guy might guy might lost his leg. I mean he almost got compartment syndrome. He did he it right here I remember every day to try to heal that fucking thing Yeah, man full disclosure like at the end of my career when I was fighting a 45. I was like I'll fight anybody But although I get my leg

Fight that guy that was that that's missing from him later, was the frequency of his leg kicks. Stop. You think it was just because of injuries or? Well, he started boxing a lot. Is he back now, by the way? He is back. He is back, yeah. I think your fucking shins just go, man.

I mean, think about it. That's what was going on with Amanda, right? She was having nerve damage in her shit Yeah, yeah, just think about it. Especially now with the calf kick How many guys that fought by Hader are gonna be fucked up for the rest of their life? You know how many guys are gonna have like some weird thing with their foot You're gonna get like drop foot or something from nerve down. Yeah, my biggest fear was that shin break like what happened to Chris? That even but even before it happened in the UFC,

I seen it in kickboxing and I'm like, you know, it's horrible. Like you gotta really, like you could trust your shins, but like, could you, how do you know? How the fuck do you know? I mean, I don't know. It was always something in the back of my head when I was throwing kicks.

And it's so spontaneous too, even when I'm watching fights now, like when it happens, I always like have this response of be ready to look away, because if a leg snaps, I don't want to see that. Nobody wants to see that. Yeah. You know, it's interesting the way Paheta does everything, because he doesn't, I don't think he runs the risk as much of that, because first of all, he kind of kicks around the

outside of your leg always. He never goes shin to shin. and even when he kicks the thigh He's like kicking up. Yeah, it's like an upward even on the back Yeah, he always catches that back angle or up until he wants to smoke you like Yuri Yeah, like Yuri came across and just smoked him, but it wasn't just about touching. He knew he already had him He almost knocked him out the end of the first he knew he already had him. He almost knocked him out at the end of the first. He knew he had him. Yeah. But it's just his the the power that he can generate from no hip at all. He's a slapping you. He don't have a big he doesn't really have a tell it just flicks. It's crazy. Because it's the perfect combination of a guy who has this insane God given power. Like he's got

insane one touch of death power left hook and then the intelligence to not wind up. It's kind of crazy. Yeah. He's just tapping you with it, tapping you with it, but the thuds are so bad. And they're so, it's such a clean shot. Yeah, it's a clean shot. I think this is gonna be a wild take. I don't think it's gonna be a popular take. I think that Pereira is gonna mix in a wild take. I don't think it's gonna be a popular take. I think that Pereira is gonna mix in a take down. I think. Against Khalil? I don't know maybe I'm retarded. I could be. We've known that for a long time, Matt. You say that to me every week.

It's already been established. Hear me out. Hear me out. Yes, he's, I mean, listen, you don't get more confident on the feet than him, but he hangs out with our good friend, the great Globetuxera. And you see him sparring, you see him mixing that shit in. Is he doing it for shits and giggles? Is he doing it to work his cardio, maybe?

Or he could be dealing with Khalil Roundtree and saying, you know what, let me show them I got something. That's what I'm saying, why not give him a wrinkle just to give him something to think about. He's gotta learn it, right? And he is learning it, and why not just do that too? If he could just mix that in,

how many more strikes would he land too? Because then if there's a real threat Oh, yeah, for sure. Yeah, how many more and by the way, how fucking strong is that guy on the ground? Probably? I know His hands are probably so big Baseball Talk to him he's made out of wood 85. Yeah, what is the comma mean when he says comma? Oh? Everything it means like fight means like fuck yeah, it's a chamma It's cool when he says when someone says like they want to fight. He's like chamma and you're like shot

You don't hear that from that You'd rather hear him talk some shit here He's got the scariest walkout of all time Yeah, he's got the scariest walkout of all time. That little limp that he does. Yeah, it's good. And he yells. And you're in that octagon waiting for him and you see that stomp. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey.

Think about his come up, man. He was able to come up this year without talking shit. Yeah, at all. Yeah, so all these fighters think they gotta talk shit to come up. He did it by just stepping up to the plate and fighting and knocking motherfuckers out. He doesn't even smile.

Much less talk about that. He leans into that Easter Island thing too. He'll wear the chain with the big head. He thought him and Jamal were gonna be cool with each other and then Jamal started clowning up right and he got angry I was really angry. It was a mistake. You don't want that guy angry But Jamal like that fight like there was that weird moment where he kicked Jamal in the nuts You know or Jamal kicked him in the nuts. Yeah, and he waved

When you're waiting on reference, and he did a little stuff Yeah When you're waiting on ref and he did a little stuff Yeah Right you got in the kitchen. Yeah, but Jamal I talked to Jamal about that like Jamal called all of us on the broadcast He was like, yo And he was like he stepped on and got the angle and I couldn't move cuz her Dean was there. He's right He's definitely right. We didn't see it, right? I didn't I didn't see that all I was thinking is so there's so much happens, right?

A guy gets kicked the nuts. I'm't see that. All I was thinking is, so there's so much happens, right? A guy gets kicked the nuts. I'm like, oh shit. Are they gonna, is he hurt? First question is always, is this gonna fuck the fight up? Like how long is this gonna be? Okay, he's got to take a break. Is he gonna be okay? Because I think like every time you get kicked the nuts, one point. Every time you get eye poked, one point. Because even if it's an accident, if you get slammed in your nuts, and then you have to go back to fighting two minutes later, you've been affected. Yeah, no doubt.

Two minutes ago, you couldn't even fight. Yeah, no doubt. And now all of a sudden, you're supposed to fight full clip against a guy who's trying to kill you, who just cracked you in the nuts. Who's that? Is that you, Dean? Is that you, Matt?

Not me. I'm a professional. Who is it? I'm on airplane mode. Hold on, let me see. I think it's you, Thomas. Is that you, Gene? Ow, it's a side phone. It is me. Oh, it is, son of a professional. Who is it? I'm on airplane mode. Let me see I think it's a No, I've been listening to you motherfuckers and telling me to get an iPhone and I don't know how to work it This little button on the top it should shut it off Sorry, let me shut this off. Oh you can do do not you. There's a little button on the top. It should shut it off.

Oh, you can do Do Not Disturb. You know how to do that? No, I don't know how to do it. Open your phone up and then scroll down. Like, scroll down from the top and then you can get to Airplane. No, I would rather just turn it off. Alright, just turn it off. How about I throw it on the floor and start blowing it?

Yeah, here we go. I turned it off. So anyway, we're talking about Alex and Jamal. So we didn't notice it. We didn't notice it because, okay, he gets kicked in the nuts like, oh shit, they're stopping the fight. What's going on? So I didn't notice that little hop in here. He already did.

He already got closer. Yeah, you see now you got the foot on the outside. Yeah. I mean, it's brilliant on his part. But on the flip side, Herb wasn't in Jamal's way. He could definitely have moved. Right.al did relax look he relaxed his legs He gave him the thumbs up. Are we cool and it looked like he was trying to touch gloves so they touch gloves But he's already way closer than he's ever been before

Yeah, most of the fight up until this point was fought with Jamal about a foot per past where they are right now He was in the outside and he was touching him from the outside and that was his game plan. I talked to him on the phone about it. He was explaining to me his game plan. Everything was going great. Who Jamal? Yeah. He had a point. He had a fucking real point. Did he call you too?

Yeah. Yeah. I called him. He called like. But he's right because we didn't notice it. But this is one of those moments where you're like, are they stopping the fight? No, okay, they're not stopping the fight. Like, I didn't realize that he made that right, that little hop-hop he does?

Yeah. That little hop-hop is legit, dude. It's such a good move. Watch it now. Let's see. Watch. So Herb moves to him, he's gonna stop the fight, he puts his hand up, watch this. He touches him.

No. But look how close he is now. See how close he is now? Yeah. He's a lot closer. Back it up. Back it up. So back it up before the nut shot. Now look at the distance now. See the distance? Big difference. Big difference. But Jamal does fire off first though, doesn't he? Watch. He did. After he gets kicked. Yeah, probably. Let's see. Who throws the first punch? Jamal throws it first though, I think. Does he?

Let's see. He might be right. He might be, he's getting in the corner, look at Jamal, ready Jamal? Throw, they throw at the same time. They throw at the same time. He did throw. But also look, look what Alex did too. It's obvious that Alex is coming in.

But he also put his hand on the outside of Jamal's hand to clear the angle for him to throw the left hook over top of it. And dude, his left hook, it's like a shovel hook. Dude, look at that thing. Half a uppercut, half a a hook and it's just perfect perfect All right, maybe he won't shoot on clown Knocked out go Kansaki man

Dude, he's fucking dangerous. Yeah, I know My boy Anthony Smith had him in slow motion. I was like Off-speed uppercut. Yeah, that was slick dude. He's fucking terrifying Oh Khalil Khalil round she came back from Thailand like a different fighter once I think once he went over there like and it was training full-time like there was a I mean It was a big change in him. I thought well Khalil's like had moments in his career We hasn't been dialed in you know There was a few fights where he admittedly like wasn't all in and

Now he's all in like now he's like super focused like the Anthony Smith fight you like, oh, yeah, that's a dangerous contender I mean, we're gonna find out but do you think You think the UFC would want Khalil to be champ, you know I'm saying because I know well He just don't really have like that championship thing about him We're like you go. Oh, that's my champ right there like he don't really have that I mean, I think but nobody does until they do or Olivera didn't have until he got it Right and Olivera was a guy that everybody was beating man. That's so many guys Once and knocked him out for sure a lot of guys have beat Olivera because he was cutting too much fucking weight right He just didn't have any energy

Well, I'm just saying like every time you see Kaleel roundtree do interviews he crying and stuff like that Like is that the type of guy like that? He's sensitive He's a sensitive guy. You don't cry. You know I'm saying sometimes the whole Nothing wrong with someone who's sensitive who could fuck you up. No I'm not saying there's something wrong with it, I'm just saying is that the guy that we want holding the belt?

Maybe that's what we need in 2024 to get more people involved in fighting. Yeah. As you guys get older, do you get more emotional? Do you find yourself? I'm emotional, I'm an emotional guy. I don't see that. I'm an emotional, you only cry, I cry right now.

You guys don't get all emotional, people think we're toxic, let's talk. We just, we're not toxic, we just don't get all emotional. People think we're toxic. Let's talk. We're not toxic. We just don't have a filter. This is just what actual men are like when there's no one around that can yell at you. When there's no one around that can yell at you. If we had the same conversation with our wives, you'd be like, what the fuck are you saying? Are you sinking down the fucking air? There would be a lot of that, right? True, true. It's like, this is what people would be talking about if you were hanging out in your living room. It's true. Four bodies hanging out in your living room. How would you talk? This is it.

Just do it. For sure. Just do it in front of the world. In that case, I don't cry at all. You pussy. I cried the other night. I was just gonna see if you do watching chimp crazy what there's a show oh my god is an HBO show what's max now whatever it is it's a docu-series about people that own chimpanzees dude it's can't end well hold on how about that it's horrific man oh wait with this when the chimps tear people apart they tear your

face off they bite your fingers off pull your dick off dude it was Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, in this show there's nothing happy in this show this show is all about what happens when people have pet chimps and the chimps get to be about five years old and they don't want to listen to you anymore because they're a 200 pound fucking super predator for real they can do whatever they want like what they are there are closest relatives and they're really fucking smart and when they get to be like five years old you can't even put them in a combination lock they were telling me because they can they'll figure out the combination. They'll watch you do it. That's oh shit And then they'll do it. They'll see what you do to get out and then they'll replicate Apes type shit. They're really smart man. They just can't talk

They're not as smart as people but they also they're vindictive and spiteful. They're angry and jealous fighters They do that a lot with the wild animals like the fucking people who own hippos But the thing about these things is when they hit like five you just got to keep him in cages all the time So when they're babies everybody's hanging around with them you can bring them to the pizza place Oh my god, it's the lady with the chimpanzee But then they get to be five and then they rip someone's face off for no fucking reason at all. What was the the Netflix? series off for no fucking reason at all. What was the Netflix series? Oh yeah, Chimp Empire. That's what I thought, Chimp Empire. That was a crazy, crazy show. Crazy show. Because that one, these scientists were embedded in this group of chimpanzees

for 20 years. So these people, these chimpanzees, their whole lives they had seen scientists. They had these rules. You have to stay 20 yards away, don't look them in the eye, no food. Can't have any food anywhere near them. So the gremlins with the Chimpanzees if they decide you have something you gotta see this if they decide that you have something they want there ain't shit You can do about that like they were they were fighting you can over territory I mean you you got to see the hierarchy within you know their clans or whatever you want to call it It's a badass and the guy to have the guy on your show. Yeah, the guy was the who produced it That's how I heard it the show so good, dude. It's this is much better than chimp crazy This is like the opposite of chimp crazy. Yeah, this is real shit chimp crazy is sad, but this is amazing

It's amazing Because they they these chimps are so accustomed to these scientists that they acted completely Normal around them like they were just a part of the of nature to them because their whole life They had had scientists around cameras right it was just the thing in the forest It was just like that's a different kind of tree or something As long as you not have food if you longer don't look them in the eye and don't get any closer than 20 yards Those are the rules so if the chimps start moving towards you you move back Don't look them in the eye you look away

Don't have any fucking food if you got a candy bar, they'll rip your dick off for that candy bar They don't have any sense of what's appropriate They don't you know there's no remorse they bite each other's hands off. Oh my god, bro They're ruthless, and that's our closest relative So, you know what you do? You just get a dog Nobody needs that shit all that shit you see in those movies though. Those are all young chimps You can't even train them when they get older. They're not listening to nothing.

There's no listening. I gotta watch this. You remember that Clean This Wood movie? Fucking Any Which Way But Lucy? I used to love those movies. The best is the second one when they have that fight. They heard they're still fighting. And then it's you know, guys there are different, oh let's get on the plane and let's go see the fight

Do they're fighting fucking two hours these guys like across the state and that was that guy's name tank Murdoch I remember on that ship file of meadow was clear file. Oh bet oh It's funny because back then you would never think that people were actually having bare-knuckle fights for money and now it's on pay-per-view Never gonna be bare-knuckle Boxing I'll tell you man as a sport that's crazy So this is just some backyard shit that people would do like this is this this is the big killer This is the guy that's like the the big money champion. He's gonna eventually fight him He's watching Clint and he steps in to help him and he starts fucking some people up

Real fighting was back Somebody needs to redo all those things he did would work. I mean, it's not crazy. He's not doing any like jump-split kicks. I I mean, it's not crazy. He's not doing any like jump-split kicks. I Used to like these movies as a kid. Oh, these movies were great. This movie was great. Clint Eastwood was the fucking man. Oh, yeah He has the the best Western movie of all time. What's that? Unforgiven. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I saw that I did see that. Man, I'm a fan of Tombstone with Val Kilmer too. That one scene. That one scene made that whole movie That one scene was so intense. Which one? Unforgiven or I'm your huckleberry. Yeah when he's looking Anytime you get curtain I and we did this in a current context. We talked we talked about Bone Tomahawk, right? Oh, yeah

Now this is all Moves that I never heard about it came out like 2015. Yeah, I saw it. I did watch it. I did watch it. I did watch it. I found these movies that I never heard about. It came out in 2015. I saw it on Netflix. I thought it was new, and I didn't know, so I started watching it. Holy fuck, what did you see? Good one. It's like a western horror movie.

Because these cannibal Indians are almost like predators because they got these things in them. Well, they're completely different, like a different species of person. They have these things in their windpipes. Remember? Yeah. They make that crazy call. And what about Matthew Fox in this? This guy is the guy from Lost. She's a person they have these things in their windpipes. Remember the yeah Matthew Fox in this this guy's the guy from lost. Yeah, it was phenomenal very good This movie is now I get like obsessed with some movie. This is my latest obsession. I fucking love this movie

It's a great movie. It's a fun horror movie and the fact that it didn't get the attention that deserves It's just I think there's too many movies out Certain things like takes a while to get through I blew right through Shogun. I just blew right through peaky blinders The first season slow as fuck once you get out of the first season It gets hot blinders like him in that motherfucker can act man can he act he's like a totally different level like even just everything about it you buy that eccentric psychopath you buy it you buy everything about like these guys he's got rules yeah but yeah he was he was the man I'm a blinders yeah I know I

like I'll tell you what I tapped out on. And you know me, I like superhero shit. And the show The Boys, I was in, and there's some good stuff in that show. You ever hear of The Boys? I've heard of it. I haven't watched it. It gets redundant.

No, no, but no, this is, wanna know what I tapped out? Go ahead. The scene where I fucking tapped out. Now you know in like X-Men, you ever hear of a multiple man? He can make like a multiple of himself, like other clones of himself. All right now listen

I'm not a prude. Okay, I could deal with some sex scenes and some some freaky shit My thing is this there's a scene now they go now this I Don't need to see a guy's face in another guy's asshole, even if it's his own body. So multiple man, this little version of him in his thing, they go into a sauna, right? And I guess this happens sometimes in gay gyms. There's a close-up of like a human centipede. It's a human centipede. Is that an inside of an asshole?

Oh yeah, I know. He's in this guy's asshole right now. He's touching his asshole. It's a human centipede. Is that an oh? Guys asshole right now. Yeah stuff Wait a minute. I know I know They're trying to normalize this exactly. This is a bizarre Talking about this is an asshole. He's inside an asshole dude. He's naked so now this guy is he think they open up the thing And they see that oh my god. I hope it was worth it. So then he came full size Full size and he blew the guy apart. Yeah, that's like Ant-Man inside someone's asshole. Yeah, this is not necessary Yeah, dude, that's what I'm saying, but picture that crazy picture You can see that again

Picture this! Picture this! You ever see a human centipede? Let me see that again. That's a crazy way to die. I want to see him explode. So what happens? Does he just decide to get bigger? I think he sneezes in it. Oh he sneezed. I guess his ability to control it. Oh my gosh! That's what the whole show is like.

That is so crazy. But like, there's some good stuff in the show? Yeah that's gross. The first few seasons was cool, this past season they got woke on me. I'm trying to explain that to the show. Yeah, that's gross. The first few seasons was cool this past season. They got woke on Explain that to the cops He's got pink eye cuz he had his he had his face in an asshole 100% someone's trying to normalize things like that. Yeah, that's probably like every bottoms dream is to actually climb inside a guy's asshole Oh, I just want to be inside of you But man, I know I know exactly the thing you're talking about

Yeah That's unnecessary. I would tap out after that. I tapped out on the walking dead when they killed Glenn with the baseball bat Yeah, yeah, yeah, me too me too. You know what's fucked up done. They actually did that in the comic book. Oh, I'm sure they On the walking dead when they killed Glenn with the baseball bat You know what's fucked up dumb they actually did that in the comic book. Oh, I'm sure they Show it to me like that. Yeah We're born I loved Glenn I saw Glenn at the UFC and he looks sad That's your character your character for all these years everybody loves it And they kill off with a baseball bat you like and then you know one number show. Yeah. Yeah, we're done with you the show What's the last one anyway with that shit? Well? It's you can't keep doing that all the people are the monsters you can't keep doing that forever it gets bored

Figure it out find out who the cunts are kill them What's show the community shows just to ship to you know Like fucking Cobra Kai. I like that play season. Also, why are there still zombies? They walk two miles an hour. You haven't killed them yet. I know right? How hard is it to figure out how to kill these things and they just float as fuck? All you need is that lady with the sword and just like every day run out, kill 30 of them. Eventually, yeah. Nobody's gonna be left. It's crazy that they still run into zombies. Gee you haven't killed all the zombies in like five years. Yeah that

show. I agree yeah. I think there was a spin-off with Daryl Dixon I didn't even watch. There's a bunch of spin-offs there's the LA one too. The LA spin-off too. It was pretty good. It was Fear of the Walking Dead. Oh yeah. That might have been the best one. Really? Yeah it was really good. Especially in the beginning. it was really good because it's like no one knows what the fuck is going on But it gave you like a real sense of like dread and fear like these people are trapped in the middle of this outbreak And the military moves in and no one gives anybody any answers, which is really how it would go, right? Yeah, that's what the LA one fear of the walking dead It's much more realistic like this is how it would go

Like the guy waking up in the hospital in the walking dead the problem with that scene is 28 days later. That's how it starts same exact scene 28 days later Killian Murphy also from Peaky Blinders, right? He's in the hospital and he wakes up He doesn't know what the fuck happened because he had hit by a car or something like that, right? Was he riding a bike a hit by a car I think so he wakes up He has no idea what the fuck's going on and then getting out of the hospital He realizes that the world has ended and there's a zombie apocalypse have broken out while he was in a coma

So this is stole the whole thing somebody's what came. Well, what came out first? The comic book? What the fuck? That's a very good question. It's a very good question. What year did The Walking Dead graphic novel come out? That's a legit question there, man. It's a real legit question. Thanks, guys.

Do you know those movies? You can't find them on streaming. What's that? You can't find 28 Days Later on streaming. Really? They're coming out with a new one, by the way. Yeah, because I've never seen it. That's why I don't know.

I think you can find 28 Weeks Later, but 28 Days Later, I don't think you can find. Interesting. I think you have to buy, because I just seen it. That's why I think you can find 28 weeks later, but 28 days later I don't think you can find I think you have to buy because I just bought it. I ordered it on DVD I bought a DVD and How do you even have a DVD player? Asked me if I wanted one I said yeah, I'll take one of them and I haven't used it ever I've been in this house for four years and never use that fucking DVD player, but I'm gonna use it Especially they look really good like blue blue right like resolution. Yeah, those DVDs look But it's probably as good or better than streaming. Hmm

Yeah, I just don't know anybody with a DVD player. That's like VHS. I don't have that Oh, I had that for a long time because I used to get all the pride videos Oh, yeah, right. I used to get like K1 Weird shit from Japan. Yeah from a friend of mine. He would send it all of VHS What year was the graphic? I saw a reddit discussion that they both so that for the record I want to answer your question the Walking Dead Came out within the same year that the movie came out, but someone noted that they both were taking from another movie that came out in the 60s.

Oh, what was that movie? The Day of the Triffids. Ooh, Day of the Triffids! And that's a zombie movie too? I guess. That's what I looked it up when you were asking. Is that a monster movie or a zombie movie? Yeah, it's like zombies or something like that.

Oh, look at this. The Day of the Triffids. What the fuck? movie yeah it's like zombies or something like that after being splashed with trifid poison from a stinger during his recovery he's told of an unexpected green meteor shower what that's some 1976 shit for the record I guess 28 days later may have to start walking dead may have taken from mmm interesting yeah it's well 28 days later was a lot earlier right what we hear to 28 days later come out The comics came out less than a year after 28 days later was first in cinemas. Yeah, so 28 days later was first This guy just got into Game of Thrones like 20 years later

This guy just got into Game of Thrones like 20 years later. Yeah, I mean. I just got into a game. I go, dude, the fucking thing's been out. I know, I never had Max. I just got Max. Just so I could watch that shit. So, and the season is on. Season two.

Dude, it's good. Yeah, it is good. I ain't gonna lie, it is good. It's a real good show. I liked it so much, I told Dean, after the first season, I didn't wanna wait till the second season, so I got the book,

and I ended up reading all five books. I don't believe that five books in my life is the Game of Thrones. Honestly, I didn't want to wait to the second season so I got the book and I ended up reading all five Good oh, it's fucking great. It's so much. I did it on my iPad and because of my ADD I made the font real big so it's like two paragraphs I didn't even know Mac are reading shit read and shit. I started with comic books. But I loved it so much that I just... Sorry, so why has 28 Days Later been removed from streaming? It says, Indeed, Disney lost the rights to the independently financed original film, with them now only owning the rights to Searchlight Finance's sequel 28 weeks later. So, well, who the fuck owns it? Whoever made it, I fuck owns it and they would they don't want to put it on Netflix why wouldn't

they this is one of the best zombie movies of all time it is great it's great because it's when they weren't slow they get rabid oh it was the scariest could be one of those VPN things it could be another country and maybe you sneak around and maybe maybe that was a great movie it's coming to coming out with 28 years later yeah yeah yeah is there anybody left yeah I think that guy to peak of only the guys what kind of life is that what kind of life is it like if they if some fucking Wuhan China lab comes up with some zombie virus and releases it that sounds crazy but rabies is real.

That's exactly what rabies is. It's Kujo. It is. It is. It's animals that are not, that never want to bite people and turns them into an animal that needs to bite you. They run at you. They're not scared of you. Rats will run at you. Foxes, they run at you when they have rabies. I've never thought about that. Yeah, rabies is just zombies It is on because it kills people before we figured out how to stop it Like and you have to get crazy shots in the air I'm gonna get those shots before you start having symptoms Like what they have to find out you got bit and then give you those shots and it has to happen really quickly

Because if you don't it kills most people. Jesus. What's the function of the disease? Rabies kills something like 99% of the people that get it. What? Yeah, it's an old disease and so one of the things they figured out is that if they slow down everything in your body and put you into a medically induced coma, it gives your body the resources to fight it off because your body can fight off, but it can't fight it off as quick as the virus moves forward. It's a old virus, man.

It's an old, it's a weird. Yo, that's crazy. So like, when you think about what that is, it's a crazy old virus that spreads itself by making its host violent. It is rage. It's that, so saying that no one would ever do this, these fucking psychopath eggheads that they give these grants to that do this fucking this gain of function research shit on viruses making them more infectious to human beings. Do you think they would stop at a coronavirus? Why wouldn't they fuck with rabies you know why they have rabies marab

you know I just say that about Liam Harrison and you know people are making a big thing about only he's got to get him down he's got to get him down he didn't get home listen he gets him down he's got to get him down. He's got to get him down. He didn't get, listen, he gets him down. He's in trouble, Sugar Sean. But look what he did to Jose Aldo. He didn't get him down too much. And look at him up against the cage. That, all that height, the difference in height,

the reach, that's at a disadvantage once he gets a hold of him. So he could beat the shit out of him up against the cage. He doesn't get him down for a round. Now there's a little less pop in Sean's and fucking his in his punches and strikes That that length is gonna be a problem when he closes the distance Marab so I gotta ask you because you know Marab better than anybody here, I'm sure and From that like when I see him now, like he's just a different animal

I'm like a complete different character has he always been like this type of character like making jokes and always been funny and when he first came to us the English wasn't great at all I mean isn't it's it's not what it is now he's always been a sweetheart just a sweetheart imagine having Matt and Ray Longo is your English teacher Reality show with you and Ray Longo my god cornering fighters and just Train fighters, you know big that showed you know, it's funny. I just had a moment. I want to thank you, by the way. I just did my own. I'm doing it once a week. I'm doing my own pod geek podcast called Geeking Out with Matt Zahra.

Thank you. You're the one who pushed me to do this. Listen, you are a natural. Thank you. No, I'm fine. You're a natural for this. It actually, it's out today. And the second episode I did, I did one with my buddy Phoenix Cannavale. She's great. We talked about our worst to best X-Men movies.

This is right up my alley. Are you doing this on YouTube too? Yes, on YouTube. It's the Matt Serra channel. Yeah, but on everything, Spotify, Apple. It's gonna be on Spotify, it is on Spotify, yeah. And I did two episodes, one with Phoenix about the X-Men movies, and the second one

was myself and Ray Longo. My studio's nine minutes from Longo's school. And we did our top five gangster movies. There's a movie that's on our list that I didn't know this fact until it came out. Cause I don't know why people didn't see this movie. Did you ever see State of Grace? Yes.

Sean Penn. A lot of people haven't seen that. Phenomenal. Yeah, we talked about that last night. I watched it again with my wife before I did the show, just the back in my head. Cause I knew it was was gonna be on the list And I wondered why so many people didn't see this movie. So fucking the great Ray Longo brought up a great point

It came out the opening weekend as good same as good fellas That's why it was fucking under the radar. You never seen it. I never say I never even heard of it until you just said it Right now. It's about like the Westies very good movie I never say I never even heard of it until you just said it right now Yeah, so that's the second episode me a long ago so that just maybe that's a good one That's a good one to remember. I forgot about data grace is great Another one on the list that a lot of something a lot of people seen this cuz piggy Smalls raps about him is The King of New York. Yeah great movie. You've seen the King of New York Yeah, all right, let me ask you this does heat count is that a mob movie? you know what i was thinking about putting in there but i didn't because that's more of a heist movie

it's a heist movie but it's organized crime the guy who got out of jail the the it's based on a real dude the guy who was the deniro character who got out of jail that's based on a real dude yeah yeah yeah he did a bunch of robberies and then he went to jail for a long ass time and got out and did a bunch more Robbery was he a mob dude? I don't he was organized crime for sure But it's like who was he connected to was he connected to the mafia was he independent organized crime? But he was like super sophisticated fantastic movie phenomenal, but does American gangster count right?

Fantastic movie phenomenal, but does American gangster count? He the movie the heat a funny thing about um Al Pac in that movie, he's over the top at it. She's got a great ass! Big head! And when I seen him, he spoke about his role in that and he goes, what influenced him about playing that character is that the character was chipping off pieces of cocaine, like he was like a coke head. And they kind of took that out of the movie,

but that's how he was playing, like all coked up. So that kind of, it kind of explains it, like how he was so like, out of his mind. So they didn't show it in the movie, but that was how it was written? He said it, it was, yes, that his, he was like chipping off pieces of cocaine. Did they just edit that out of the movie?

I have no clue. But he definitely said it in an just edit that out of the movie? I have no clue. But he definitely said it in an interview. Was it in the movie? I don't believe so. They did not have him do it in the movie. Imagine you're doing that, you're doing this all coked up character and he's doing coke and then they cut out all the coke.

He said it, everybody's like, what the fuck's wrong with him? Once he said that. You're playing a drunk, you're gonna remove the alcohol. It made perfect sense though, once he said it. He goes, that's why I chose some of the choices I made for that character. If there was no meth, how much less crime would there be?

Oh, 50%. 50%? Yeah, for sure. I mean, he's thinking about how many ridiculous crimes get cooked up while they're on meth, literally. Or to get the meth. Yeah, right, yeah, yeah. Meth influence. Do you remember that North Hollywood shootout. It was just like the movie heat

Body armor they had like fucking big giant machine guns and shit They were literally just walking up the street blasting people Roided out of their fucking minds these dudes are roided out of their minds doing coke And they robbed this bank in North Hollywood and the cops boxed him in they had a shootout on the street Oh, yeah, I was I was on news radio at the time. We stopped production of the show to watch it on television Everybody was like what the fuck is going on? It was so crazy from you was it real close real close like we we were in Studio City North Hollywood's 15 minutes away 10 minutes away real close It's crazy the news footages the footage is crazy and here's what's crazy

One of the cops shot one of the dudes and then did not call for ambulance did not and and then people were Criticizing him that he let the guy bleed out Damn yeah, I remember these fucking crazy liberals This psychopathic murderer who just robbed a bank who was gunning down cops Because he let him bleed out and didn't get him to an ambulance at times she Yo Exactly. Yeah, I think we know that guy's guilty. Yeah In 1996 save the taxpayers you can find that Jamie because it's crazy to watch man It was the best foot of John I'd saw in the middle of the street dude in the middle

Yeah, yeah, yeah, so these guys were having a shootout with guys walking down the street They just blast like a movie. Yeah, like a fucking did look like a Cops, dude, and this is just one part of it sometimes he was ducking behind cars with giant rifles and shit I mean they were just armed to the tits. They got him. This is him at the end So I think at the end he's probably trying to die It's a pretty long scene to like to what the real real shit went down. I forgot how it ends Oh, we got him with another shot keeps going cuz then the other guy comes so he's trying to die He's probably already been shot this guy's doing little GTA action now

This it went on for a long time too, and this is back when if something happened they would we interrupt General Hospital To show you Bro this is in the caveman days. I lived in the caveman days. Yo, what year was this? This is like 97? Oh, 97? Yeah.

Really? Oh, I thought it was. I don't even remember this. Yeah, I remember it big time. Yeah, I do too. Because it was crazy. Because I have a friend, my friend Justin, he's always said, he goes, dude, let me tell you something, six armed dudes that know what the fuck they're doing could take over a whole

city. I was like, really? really he goes cities are so vulnerable. We're so vulnerable six dudes He was six six operators really know what they're doing to take over a whole city guys who like used to work for Blackwater Yeah, come over. Yeah. Yeah He's like just fucking surprised So when you see something like this happen it's like how do they keep these fucking crazy people from like well you know we need to do a better job of finding out where the meth is going. I know you know you're going to trace illegal

aliens but find out who's bringing in the meth who's bringing where's that fucking meth coming in. I know a lot of people are coming in. They just make it just make it they can make it. Well you need precursors They try to lock down most of the drugs for it now like the Sudafed and shit Let me you got a license to get that stuff. Yeah, that's why these people that are making that they're not using that They're getting real chemicals. They're getting the real precursors, but you have to get them from like China So they're getting them from China cooking it up in Mexico bringing it across the border. We truck stopper driving all night Breaking bad breaking Walter white doing that shit great another great TV show

I've talked about a thousand times with it. There's a book that we just read It's called blitzed this dude Norman or her It's all about the Nazis. They gave them Nazis meth. Oh, yeah, does that scene of a Hitler fucking watching the fucking games? Yeah, but apparently that what they did was they would give it a mess so they can go three days through Poland So they could just storm through Poland And so when they did this no one thought they could get across the whole country in three days And you really couldn't unless you didn't sleep So all they did is gave these guys a meth and they give different meth to different doses to different jobs

So like if you were in the tanks, they gave you the most meth you're at the front of the line German and just boom Take fucking move. I was watching it last night since you said that Brad Pitt That's fucking pretty bad John Bernanthal Very interesting guy the Punisher. Yeah, he's very smart. Yeah, yeah the podcast Mike Genuine thinker, you know, he really thinks he's like sometimes you talk to actors And they're like pretending to be a guy that you would want to talk to yeah That's what it feels like when you talk to them like they're not really there

But John's like right there. He's also phenomenal in a movie that a lot of people didn't see called shot caller. Oh That's the game of Thrones game of Thrones guy. That's a fucking great What's good is good. Oh it basically Jamie Lannister. I just know him as Jamie Lannister. He's you know, he's like a yuppie guy He's going out to eat with another couple. He goes through a red light. He gets to a car accident next thing You know, he's facing prison time. He's like not a guy made for prison We're bad old Tom Hanks not Tom H, Tom Selleck movie Innocent Man, something kinda like that. But he really did the accident. Next thing you know he gets to the prison, he doesn't want to be no bitch and it goes from there. And he becomes a hardcore fucking guy. They call him money. And that's

how he ends up, but he didn't start off like that. And oh man is it a, you know who's in it? Keith Jardine. Really? Yeah, Keith Jardine's a cell mate in there. He's creating all man is it off? You know who's in it Keith chardine really yeah, Keith. You're a Dean's a cell mate in there He's creating it. He's a must book for any prison Arrian I remember when Keith chardine beat Chuck Liddell And then he suffered some of the same losses, you know, like Houston Alexander's Houston Alexander one was crazy He did hit me just had a bare-knuckle boxing fight recently really Houston Alexander There nothing Baron he's in his 50s. He's either bare-knuckle boxing or maybe like celebrity boxing I forget some kind of boxing thing. He just did but Houston Alexander and his prime was terrifying. Yeah, he was terrifying

Yeah, he had crazy power. Yeah, like if he like if he did bare-knuckle when he was younger Oh, yeah, he's built for it. Yeah, he had hands on him. Yeah, like if he like if he did bare knuckle when he was younger Oh, yeah, he's built for it. Yeah, he was a victim of his own success Yeah, what happened? 19 2023 bare knuckle He won these men look at the results be Jerry Belcher and to Joey Beltran. Yeah, yeah, Jeremy Smith damn look at he's still out there fighting, but he Always was in phenomenal shape. Yeah, like that dude was jacked Definitely with that Keith Jardine fight Jardine had him hurt and so Jardine got a little overzealous and game after him and Houston

Alexander caught him That was a shocker Yeah, and this just upstart this guy coming out of nowhere I think he was a radio I think he really was Sakura after that the Italian Kimbo to yeah Kimbo but I think he was a radio DJ at the time but I think he was a radio DJ at the time. I think he's still DJing. Man, that dude suck, man. Yeah, right?

He was a radio DJ while he was fucking people up. It's kinda crazy. It's like you in the barbershop, Dean Thomas. That's right, bro. They complain about that fade. Nah, ain't no complaining about my fade, dude. You did a nice, you used to hook my head up on her every week when I still had hair.

That's how we became friends. Cause they brought in, on the Ultimate Fighter IV, they brought in some chick. Cause they know we, you know, we're not seeing our fiancés or girlfriends or anything. We have no women. We got no porn. We're not jerking off in the same rooms. So fucking, they bring in some girl to do our hair. Code?

At least, you know, as far as they know I'm not black and open. But uh, so they brought in some stylistists and she's not giving me a fade so I'm like get the fuck out Dean's like I got you. I said I got you man. You know to look good is the feel good. You probably the reason why I won that show. You could never repay me for that. What season are they on now? 32. that's crazy

You know what's sad man the other day. I just did a camera crew from a Toronto came down they're doing a thing called Dark Side of the Cage and they want to interview me about war machine And I did a thing for that and I it just depressed me It just it was just it just brought me down because Because that was a kid, did you know him? Had him on the podcast. That's right. When he was on the show,

there's some guys that are just evil. And there's other guys that I think that if they had the right people around them, they could have made different choices. And he was like a goofy, he had issues, he was emotional. He always felt like the stack was against, cards were stacked against, that type of thing, but he was still, there was something likable about him

on the show when he was on season six of The Ultimate Fighter. He was like a prankster, he did it up a decker and fucking the guy's toilet. He was like a silly guy, but I felt that if there was somebody, if he had the right people around him, I think he could have made, obviously, a lot better choices. But think about that, but that goes, if he had the right people around him, I think he could have made obviously a lot better choices.

But think about that, but that goes for all of us, right? Because we all kind of came from the same shit from back in the day, right? And then me and Matt, we still in the game. But then look at guys like him and Phil Barone. Well, that's the guy who was at his, oh listen, that- You can have too much.

You can have too much bravado. You can have too much crazy and then it'll ruin your life Yeah, and there's like every fighter has a certain amount of crazy and some guys keep their crazy chamed Behind that mask but some guys they just can't they're crazy burns them down It burns down everything around them and then you know, you got the CTE. And the CTE comes into play, then there's a lot of guys that just get real impulsive. They become addicts. They fuck up all relationships.

They can't keep their shit together. They're either crying or they're angry. Some guys that are just bad eggs. There are guys that are bad eggs, but there are guys for sure that are bad eggs that then get CTE. Oh, no, there's probably both. Yeah.

But like War Machine, the one guy to show up at his trial that be there for him. And again, you show me your friends, you show me who you are. And it was Phil Barone. Now Phil Barone is not a good guy. I know the guy's from Long Island. Million stories about him.

And- Well, isn't he in jail right now? Well, that's what I'm saying. In Mexico? Yeah. Not only did he beat a war machine he outdid him you know his girl in the hospital beat the shit out of her and now you know Barone's in jail for you know allegedly you know murder yeah

murder in in Mexico yeah part of our art I think you know it was like a bad one too beating to death oh yeah Yeah now that guy I mean listen Allegedly allegedly. Yeah, but it's brutal man. So I you know these guys come you know again, but the back to war machine I don't know it makes me more like Phil. I always knew was a piece of shit, but War machine I felt could have been helped. I really do I mean it is what it's done is done, but I don't know, it depresses me because I thought there was some help. There was some hole. You had him on the show. Didn't you think there was something about I never would have imagined that he would have done that. Right. But I would imagine that he would lose his cool if anybody like

challenged him a male, a male. I just never thought that he would do that to a girl. I mean, the way he did that too. I mean I was shot the whole thing is it's just Just awful every part about is awful press the hell out of me and how many guys? That are doing this like have also experienced that in their life like seeing their mother been beaten been beaten by their father Grew up in an abusive household where everybody hits everybody there's a lot of kids unfortunately in this world that grow up with parents beating the shit out of them and beating the shit out of each other yeah and you know if you ever talked to Joe Pfeiffer man Joe Pfeiffer oh my god he was on your podcast the reason why he's a fucking assassin yeah right cuz that that dudes angry

angry all the time all the time and he hits like a fucking neutron bomb. He's terrifying. I was working with him last week when I was with Brady and him and we were doing elbows and my wrist still ain't the same right now. Bro, when he banged out Barrio, I was like, Jesus Christ, I mean, with more seasoning. Jack Dell, I mean, Jack,

Hermanson. Jack Hermanson fought a beautiful fire. Yeah Smarted him out smart them out time. He had more time in the game. Yeah, and Jack stand-up has gotten a lot better over the years He used to be just as wicked grappler But he can mean he held his own on the feet and won the fight mostly with striking right? Yeah We sure you mean and pace and just not knowing not to empty the gas tank but Piper is so scary that everybody he gets everybody out of there yeah Piper is going to be up there with the best of them oh man I promise you that I believe you 100% he's terrifying and like a dude like that he needs a fight like that just to kind of like put it put it put

him in check he said all right I got a lot more to learn yeah this you got to learn the gas tank yeah how many you got to learn the gas tank Yeah, how many guys don't learn the gas tank, right? You know, that's what's great about Brady the other day Yeah, he knew when to put the foot on the gas. I was more impressed with the stand up. Thank you Earlier I was always grappling and I'm thinking this guy I texted right after a very Compliment, I gotta give props to John Marquez out in Philly. John Marquez be putting it together. He be putting in work with them guys.

You can tell he's a good student too man cause every fight you see him. And I think in the Bilal Muhammad fight, early in the fight, he was giving Bilal some trouble standing up. But Bilal just put it, I don't know if Bilal gets nearly the respect he deserves. No but,

he's the man. Nearly. Yeah, Bilal's the man. Bro, the way he put it on Leon Edwards, how the fuck do you not give that guy all the props? No, he handled all the flowers. He handled Sean too. He handled Gilbert and handled Sean.

And he stopped Sean standing up. He stopped Sean standing up, you know? And then when you see what he did to Leon, you're like, good lord. It just overwhelmed him. Overwhelming pressure. And on the feet too. On the feet, yeah. On feet on the feet real fucking dangerous never lets you get set had Leo Had Leon making excuses about the time change put it that way. Yeah, man

It's a it's a different kind of family. I never never found this timing it ever Yeah, and bro that guy going to Dagestan was like the ultimate move. Yeah You get involved with Kabir especially with his kind of style and his work ethic Yeah, like that dude has a work ethic made his his top control, you know look deaf deaf I also think it's good that he didn't get the props because it keeps him hungry keeps you fucking 100% I'll show you bitches He's still like that too, man. He's still he's still hungry It's still down to earth like he ain't get all you know high class. No, no, no, well, he's just begun right?

Yeah, it's a championship run. He proved everybody wrong. He won the title It's tell everybody fuck you even though he doesn't even swear he says fudge. He'll say like you know what's wrong with you, man He's both because crazy yeah, but like that guy's just beginning his run, you know, so who know but that division Who do you think they give them next? I think they give them tomorrow Smart fight and I think they oh But they owe Kamaru for tomorrow taking Homs on on 10 days notice, right? And also in a three rounder instead of a five when he won the third, right? Yeah, so he's got the L which is if he's going five rounds maybe he doesn't get it yeah I

think he right I think he doesn't get that it looked to me like he was coming on the third he had a figure him out and also he had to trust his gas tank the guy trained ten days one of the scariest motherfuckers on earth on earth gangster on earth I say you got to give it to tomorrow because I think tomorrow earned it he had the weather that fucking storm of a first round You're getting off the couch even if you're in great shape You have to weather something like that that could get your endurance down Don't know any percent and he didn't he had to know like what how do how much do I have like?

How do I manage this but he did manage it? He didn't get stopped He didn't get finished and then he comes on and wins the third round you gotta go come on man You all have any more years of tomorrow He's like 37. That's what I'm and he doesn't have time to go on another run He's gotta be 37. How was tomorrow? I say given I say give me shot Shopcott, you know Not only that every win he gets he's a legend bigger and bigger legend

Yeah, bigger and bigger legend 37 see give it to him Give it to tomorrow and get them bad ass knees to man. We can't yeah Exactly I send him every time I find something on stem cells I said do you yeah, yeah because they're regenerating cartilage now No, I'm thinking about doing that shit for my I'm starting to feel my shoulders man. You should How long you in town for? Tomorrow what time tomorrow you leave and they even the morning what you in town for? Tomorrow. What time tomorrow do you leave? In the evening, in the morning. What time in the morning?

I think like seven or so. Oh, real early? We'll get you in at 530, stem cells. I might be able to get you in this afternoon. Yeah, yeah. Let me see. I thought you gotta go to Columbia for that shit. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Ways to Well can do stuff here. They do different things in Columbia. In Columbia, what they can do is they can multiply the stem cells So they can take stem cells they do that in siege The CPI down to you wanna that's the place that's and they have a whole arrangement with the UFC They have a partnership with the UFC CPI is incredible. They're in Tijuana. Damn. Yeah, my buddy has a spot at home called life med They have a deal with the UFC as well Petrowski knows they're like a bunch of these guys doing that stem cells are

absolutely legit yeah cuz I mean listen I got a new knee and it's holding up great but I hear stuff with the shoulders you're fucked you can't get soldier surgeries and shit it's gonna take some time it's a complicated joint but do you do anything to strengthen your shoulders? Do you do any workouts? I mean now I mean I do my push-ups and I hang from my bar Just anybody should have anybody that I shoulder problems I have no affiliation with these people get yourself crossover symmetry bands get yourself these bands They're there they start with like five pounds or something like that. I use a 25 pound one It's not a lot of force and I do a series of exercises

Just to stabilize my shoulders a whole series of different things that I do every week no matter what I do It's just like that thing with the coils back in the day. It is but it's just it's like a bungee cord It's a good cord like a you know a rubber strap that you're pulling on good cord like a you know rubber strap that you're pulling on. Yeah, my physical therapy is as good as mine too. Different ones have different weights to them so you can start off low but the whole idea is there's a whole chart that comes with it and shows you all the different things and it just strengthens all the shit that you don't strengthen when you're just lifting weights.

Okay. If you're just lifting weights or especially if you're just rolling, how often are you really using those shoulder muscles? You're using everything right? So are your shoulder muscles getting a good workout or is your cardiovascular system and your legs and your biceps and your back that getting a good workout? But you're going to miss some muscle groups. Jiu-Jitsu misses muscle groups. And the only way to like really strengthen joints, I think, is exercise. And I think you got to do weights and bands and a bunch of shit just to protect your joints. That's like that knees over toes guy.

The thing you were talking about too, helps to really stabilize the you know the connective, the ligaments. Yeah. Tightens all the stabilizers up and that's the thing everybody neglects because if you go too heavy your delt takes over and your rotator cuffs not getting it. So exactly. You know this kind of stuff is definitely should be used that knees over toes Guy got a whole shoulder bulletproofing program to with like light dumbbells. We're doing a bunch of these I love his knee shit. See I got to do that because holding pads for people. Oh

Isn't it crazy how some dudes just have crack just have some extra crack? I'm tight Joe Pfeiffer Oh Extra crack. Yeah for sure extra crack for sure. I wouldn't want to hold paths with that, dude You're gonna get carpal tunnel syndrome. Yeah, and that's what happened to me all in one week You had extra crack crack crack. That's actually crack. You had a thing where you would catch people and you would see this like, oh no, look on their face. Like when you caught GSP, I remember thinking like, because we already knew by then that

you could knock people out with one shot, which was so odd for a jujitsu guy. So like everybody had to worry about your ground game, but they always have to worry about being in the pocket because one of those hammers drops in there You got a real problem on your hand. I'm gonna lie when I thought man I was like ain't let him hit me with that right hand But you you didn't have a background in striking as a child, right? No, I my father's little pants for me I said I had a wooden dummy in my garage. I used to do all my little pants for me I had a wooden dummy in my garage I used to do all my chung right now if you're doing Wing Chun as a something to add on that's fun

but the trapping range the crapplings right there anytime I got into a real fight I'd start with a chain punch and I do my double leg so I think there's something to it for transitions I think there's something to having all those moves here think about how many times you see boxers Literally swat a guy's hand down to land a punch. Oh the pucks Come on, Usman. How are you? I'm Osvaldo. Yeah Yeah, but by yourself it shit of court but I can't know by itself a shit too Everything by itself a shit exactly all those things by them

But I think I knew a dude who was really good at Wing Chun And he was explaining some things to me and what some of the things that he was showing me this there's certain vulnerabilities if you're inside with someone where they can really easily Manipulate your arms back and forth and move your guard around and drop elbows on you like wing Wing Chun and then Muay Thai You see some of the Muay Thai stuff where guys grab wrists and come over the top Yeah, there's a. There's a lot. That's a lot of Wing Chun. The difference is when you look at two Muay Thai guys get into a street fight, it'll probably look something like you're watching them in a Muay Thai fight.

You put two Kung Fu masters in there, Wing Chun guys. It is the worst grappling match I've ever seen. Because it starts like a Hitman movie and then they fucking on the floor. I go, what the? I go that white belt's winning. Guys are dropping for ankle ups. It's fucking horrendous. I've seen a few of those.

I've seen a few of those. But I feel the Weston boxing, like Longo got me, obviously, I had to learn on the job, because it's different back in the day because everything started moving. When the UFC came out, everybody's like, oh fuck all the striking striking so I was like I in my mentality

I'm like, all right. I got to just close the distance You can't trade and then I had to relearn like no no no sometimes you got to be in the fire And you have to learn those mechanics and and whatnot well That's the difference between guys who are pretty good and guys we can champions It's like this ability to absorb other skills and then implement them at a world-class level while you're an adult, which is crazy. It's not easy to do.

It's crazy. It's very hard to do. And most guys, they are always gonna be a step behind the guys who started out as a child. Oh, 100%. It's more natural to them. Right. Speaking of crack, Mark DellaGuardi says that you have the hardest kick that he's ever held for

And that's something say mark Yeah Like mark Nellie Grady on season four we didn't have set coaches he was like an assistant coach and he gave above and beyond for everybody yeah no great he's a great dude and a great coach too yeah yeah training with him yeah he shows he showed me all kinds of things that tighten up my technique all kinds of. All kinds of things, just in transitions, transitional techniques, different things to do off of different kicks and shit.

He's still teaching as a school, right? Yeah, he still has a school. What is it called again? Sigatoms, that's what I was gonna say. Yeah. When I train with that dude, I try to hurt him. You try to hurt him? I wanna hurt those arms.

Oh yeah. I wanna hurt those floor arms. He was letting us hit the pads, take him down, hit on the floor. Like he earned his cash on fucking Ultimate Final Five. He's a man. He's a man. And he's a great coach. And you know, speaks Thai fluently.

Does he really? I didn't know that. Fluently. Speaks Thai. Oh, that's wild, man. Yeah, he can go to Thailand and just talk to people. No kidding. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

We've got Thai restaurants and he just orders Thai to the... What? With a Boston accent? Yeah, he does. Yeah, with a Boston accent. Oh yeah, you can test Mac Dettigrante, he's gone. We've got a Thai restaurants and he's just Accent Yeah, he does he speaks Thai he fought in Thailand a bunch yeah, I knew that he's a interesting dude very interesting dude Hey Are we breaking out the smelling salts? Are you scared? I am scared So what are they this is the strongest? Maybe there's some stronger shit, but I don't I'm not aware of but this is a

Juju Mufu should give us like a discount code Called ah, it's just do Juju Mufu. Do you know who he is? I've never heard You ever see the power lifter athlete super athletic Athletic but built like Bobby lash. Okay, I can do full splits over tables It's like doing like so their pound overhead squash. Yeah, bro. He's crazy flexible. Anyway, the thong he's a nut He's a nut. He's like always doing nutty shit for the internet. So the smell assault to get me looking like that It's that no no, I think you need some other things Take the smelling salts before you lift that way Smelling sauce before you go across the border with 15 pounds of steroids.

Ah. So, you think this is going to make me have to use the bathroom? No, no, no, no, no. So, again, this is a fresh one. The fresh ones are the strongest. Jesus Christ. This is so strong that I'm going to open it. It's a sealed bottle.

The bottle's sealed and the bag is sealed to This Smell it it stinks already I Haven't even opened the bag yet. The bag is still sealed guys are gonna find the bag is still sealed So I'm gonna open this just Okay, smell that so smell that just get a wh, and it's sealed inside the bag. I get it. It's sealed. Hold on, let me see. This is fully, fully sealed. Fully sealed.

You got it? Oh! Right, right, right? Oh! But it's, you're not even ready yet. You don't even know what's happening now. Yeah, this is ammonia. This is, this is where it goes on. It's bad.

Let's go! Let's go! Ready? Here we go. Oh, we're going this night, counterclockwise? Take a dig, big deep, deep. Oh, we're going this not kind of clock big deep deep. Deep, deep breaths. A few inches from the nose and just go for it. Oh, that's no Vicks vapor up. Oh my God.

Raulo probably did it this morning before he woke up. Yo. Man, it's been many, many years. Wow. So I never get in, Raulo probably did it this morning before he woke up. Yo, man. It's been many many years Wow Get in there Raulo You're that of cure snoring for sure Yeah, I'm sweating What movie is this from Blade! Blade! This is the best opening scene of any superhero movie

of all time. Did you see Deadpool Wolverine? No but I can't fuck with this! I cannot fuck with the opening scene in Blade when they all turn into vampires and he thought he was gonna fuck Tracy Lord oh yeah so he's down there hanging all turn to vampires and he thought he was gonna fuck Tracy Lord's Oh, yeah So he's down there hanging out with Tracy Lord's and he doesn't know she's a vampire and she leads him down this basement Where he sees bodies hanging from meat hooks? He doesn't say what the fuck is this place and then the sprinkler starts spraying blood and everybody turns into a vampire around him And he's freaking out he's trying to get out of there and she's like hey, baby

This is a great movie and he gets his ass kicked they're all beating him up and they're about to kill him and Wesley Snipes shows up so is Wesley Snipes back as blade they're gonna have him back as blade now right? You haven't seen Wolverine? Yeah he's a... Thank God! What should we say? They should have brought him back as blade right when he got out of prison

But you ain't like... you didn't like sticky fingers here it is here. It is this is a scene She's like oh shit the day Walker They're like oh no come on, bro Scene any martial arts slash superhero movie ever than he fucks everybody up of course that was great Flash superhero movie ever then he fucks everybody up of course. That was great. So what do people do to smell insults for? They do it before they lift. Yeah power lifters do it before they take a big lift a lot of times.

Oh just like one before a big lift. They would have this shit in their gym bags and they bring it with them and when they're ready to go for something crazy. They want to do some big deadlifts. Right? That's it. It's gotta be good for your sinuses. Yeah I was about to say that I think it's good for America we have them at the studio or at the comedy club dudes take smell and small swirl to go on so really just take

a hit yeah it's fun yes it around the room and let me try let me check before Before I attack my wife They make those stuff we have the Comedy club those not this strong. This is the strongest one. This one fucks you up The other ones you can kind of get in there a little bit. Yeah Yeah, you like too close with that one and it'll burn the inside of your head I like it I felt that I felt like I felt it in my brain. You want to go around to do it around to I feel like Three that's what happens with everybody everybody like they get it and they're like why I was terrible. That was terrible Yeah, those are my threes. You know why? You're making me feel like a crackhead.

I do this, he got me into the sixes. Yeah, I backed off. Because I was realizing, I think I like these things too much. Supposedly it gets the body to hit a little adrenaline. Oh really? That does. Yeah, we're talking about the nicotine doesn't. Oh no, no.

I like the nicotines though. I like them when I'm having conversations. What'd you do to me now? They're good. I don't think it's bad. I just think you gotta be careful. Like I like to take days off, see if it's freaking me out.

So far no problems. I'm having fun, it's the trifecta now. I told y'all, whatever y'all do today, I'm doing. Yeah, I'm good. Oh, this is dying out. Yeah, if you keep the lid off, like you. It's dying out already. In between uses, keep it.

But I think it's, you know, it's probably Jesus how consistent makes your eyes water About to pull a Kaleel around Kaleel I'm sorry. I just want to tell you I'm sorry, but that is gonna be a wild fight No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, He can knock you out Alex gets it. You know, I mean, it's he does well He puts himself he's got that crazy style man that style that snake like The hands kind of hold. Yeah, it's hold his hands right here and just like pop up You've seen him sparring right? You've seen some of those videos of his farm like really good boxers, man Yeah, he's staying in the pocket with him too. And that style is hard to handle because it's so weird They're used to everything like that one boxer that he was Training with is like I don't know if he's professional. He's but he's a big heavyweight very skillful

But everything was like real traditional right and then you see Prairs moving at you like a Cobra like it's so hard to figure out what the fuck he's doing and you're lucky He's not kicking you. You know he's just punching this dude But hey like you said Khalil if he lands he lands everybody Yeah, for sure everybody goes night night that guy's fast as fuck. I know and he fights angry How old is uh? Prayer they're both about the same age. I believe 34. How old is Khalil? I? Think so rare is 35 and I think Khalil is probably in that same range

How's Khalil is probably in that same range Alex 37. How old is Khalil? Wow Yeah, so I had no idea was that old 37, but that's like 34 and fighting well It's 37 Amazon warrior year Khalil's 34. Speaking of superheroes Yeah, he doesn't he has some damage though some kickboxing fights. He you know, he got stopped and you know the one with The bad one with Izzy that was a bad one. That was a bad KO and that's a weight-drained KO

You know, yeah definitely KO at 85 and just is he caught him with that perfect right hand? Well, I asked because when guys guys that fight like like Roy Jones Amazing but an amazing athlete. He was so much faster than everybody fought with he could keep his hands down Right still never get hit but when he started to slow down where everybody knocked him out So I'm that's why I asked how old Prarer was, because I'm like maybe when he slows a bit and the hands are down, the button starts to get pushed. I think, this is my opinion, with Roy, what happened was he went up and he fought John Ruiz. And then he went down and he fought Tarzan. I don't think he was the same man for that. I think, and I don't know, but I would imagine

if you want to get really big, there's I would imagine if you wanna get really big, there's not a lot of ways to get really big. How do you go from 168 to 200 pounds? How do you do that? Well, you lift some weights, and then you, get a little help, you got some friends. So then you have to get off of that, and then you have to drop 25 pounds from your body.

So your body's fully acclimated to this frame. That's a hard cut. And he looks looks if you look at the way he looked pre Tarver fight like you if you go back and watch him fight like James Tony when he was in his prime you watch him fight like some of the better fights of his career the Vinnie Pazienza fight We didn't get hit with one punch But he was also shredded, but he was also shredded Yeah, he was shredded and he looked like hard like I can't get the most he's a rock defined bicep Twice as big yeah, right so but when you see him after the tarmac fight, he was way more smooth

I think that cut was hard man. I think that cut was hard and then he probably got off Whatever he got on Working right and if you don't have a good doctor and you just try to do this with Jim bros Next thing you know, you're in a shitty Matrix sequels didn't have any Johnson one And that was off the tarver fight right and so you see like all of a sudden this dude just can't take a shot anymore and Glenn Johnson who was one of those unheralded dangerous dudes they could really kind of beat anybody that crazy clamshell style. Who was the one that knocked him out in Australia?

I don't know. Kyle Zaggy didn't knock him out, right? No. But he shut him out though. He shut him out. Cowsaggy was tough. Cowsaggy would just throw volume at him. Yeah, for sure. He's a volume. He Roy Jonesed Roy Jones. He was in his face like, woo, ba-ba-ba-ba-ba.

Different Roy Jones though. 100% different Roy Jones. That's what I'm talking about. Yeah, if he fought the Roy Jones that James Tony had to fight, then it's a different thing. Yeah, that's not happening. One of the purest power punchers was Julian Jackson. Oh my God. Yes, the Hulk?

Oh my God. You know, Kevin Holland's coach used to work with him. Really? Yeah, they're like really good friends. That guy had power power. Play the Terry Norris fight. Julian Jackson, Terry Norris. Plus the Danny Green in Australia.

Yeah, Danny Green, Danny Green, yeah. Yo, dude, I'm gonna use the head real quick. Go, go, go, you don't have to say. You know my ass. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Sorry. Terry Norris and, Terry Norris and, Julie, Julian Jackson, Terry Norris. Right? Dude, you just do Julian Jackson highlights. This one's terrifying. This one's terrifying.

Well, Terry Norris, that poor guy. Yeah, he's in real rough shape now. I don't think nobody had more one punch power than Julian Jackson. No. No one. Short punches too. Just black. That was tough.

I used to love him. Yeah. Orland Norris, he's good too. Oh, he has. His brother was a heavyweight and he was a 47. I remember. 47 and 54 right but watch this Julian Jackson KO It's so crazy cuz it's like he just shuts him off and he hit he hit and Terry Norris was a killer

Oh, this is a prime Terry Norris. This is a prime Terry Norris. This is a dangerous Terry Norris here, but he just catches him Watch this but he just catches him. What's this? Bink. Okay, so that was the first one. So you hurt him with that left hand, but he catches him with the right hand and just freezes him. Oh my God. I'm gonna get my haircut like his.

Just a pure one punch fighter. Yeah, this guy was. I know. Does some guys just like to have- Just say, look at him stalking. He's waiting to hit you with it. I would be terrified if that guy was stalking me like that. It's just he knows all he has to do is get you once and Every time he hits you you know it too cuz you're like no shit that uppercut. This is fucking terrifying So he's already softened him up and there

He took two more he was out on his feet bro, and those were wind up the last two he took two more, he didn't need two. He took two more, he was out on his feet, bro. And those were wind up ones. Jesus. The last two he took were wind up ones. Julian Jackson was terrified. Dude, and Gerald McClellan. How short those punches are. Quack, quack, quack.

Oh, Gerald McClellan. Gerald McClellan had his number. I felt so bad for him, because he slept so fast in those fights. No, Gerald McClellan was a 75 pounder. Oh, they fought twice. Gerald McClellan fought Terry Norris? Julian Jackson. Oh, oh that's right, but that's when Julian went up, right? So was Julian a middleweight at this time? I believe so. I mean, the crazy thing is like, I didn't know that Gerald McClellan and Julian Jackson were at the same weight class. Yeah,

they wound up fighting twice. I was at one of the fights. McClellan though was like 175 though, right? At the MGM. McClellan was so dangerous, man. My first live boxing card I ever went to was in Vegas at the MGM. And it was all rematches. It was Jesse James Leha and Azuma Nelson. Yeah. It was, uh, I think it was Simon Brown James Leha and Azuma Nelson yeah it was uh I think it was Simon Brown and Vincent Petway it was Julian Jackson and Gerald McClellan

and it was Julio Cesar Chavez and Frankie Randall. What weight is this at? Because I know they were trying to set up middleweight. Crazy so that's that's so that's before well they were talking about a Roy Jones Jr. fight and I think he was really struggling. Oh, was that a low blow? Was that a low blow? Big time. Yeah, cause Gerald McClellan.

He was really struggling to make way. Gerald took his belt and then they rematched and he slept him like first round maybe. And so the Nigel Benn fight, that was middleweight as well. Nigel Benn, man he uh. That was the one that ended his career. Gerald McClellan, yeah dude he was, I mean in my opinion there was a lot of rabid punching and he wound up having a blood clot in The back of his head. Well, there's also they there was a nasty headbutt in that fight, too But it's also Nigel Ben came back from that first round which oh look at that KO. Oh my goodness and in the rematch

He sleeps him fast. Oh my goodness. What is going on with his hair? God Gerald McClellan just coming after you for the kill terrifying That's it. Are you gonna let him count? He just had he had his number man beat him both times. Well, he was one of the scariest punchers of all time Yeah, both, but he's another guy who tried to empty the gas tank with Nigel Ben that first round and Ben survived Any winds up having that brain bleed? That's that's one of the scariest ones ever man because is this the rematch? Okay, let's watch this execution. I remember this I was at this one This was in Vegas yeah

MGM well once John McClellan knew that he could put it on you it's like his power was just so nuts for that weight class but I always wanted to know like what does he really weigh he's like one of those Benavides guys like when you get in there what do you really weigh because he he really struggled with the weight cut and that's one Oh my god Get some early and this one off dude teeing off that shot to the body My goodness, he can't even look up. He's not even like giving him a chance to get off just getting executed Every shots got murder on it

all that left the body all my goodness the power in these fucking punches man just overwhelmed liver shot they give them a standing eight isn't it crazy standing eight count is kinda nuts the stumest rule ever it's kinda nuts you're concussed i'm gonna give you eight seconds to clear your head and get concussed. MMA is the way to do it. It really is. Well, you remember when Shudo used to do standing eight counts? Mm-hmm. Yeah, back in the day. Yeah, yeah. What do

you think about red cards or yellow cards? I think they should bring them back. What would you bring them back for? Stalling? Stalling. Yeah. That's probably about the only thing you should bring them back for,ing like hanging it hanging out too long Hey, man get to work. I Slid there was a submission and like pride and they did the referee be like, what do you say? Yeah, when someone caught something yeah, what do you guys think of a Ortega and Lopez? caught something. Yeah. What do you guys think of Ortega and Lopez? Crazy. That's a good fight. I think Lopez is going to get him. What is that? I'm on that side. Lopez went through a roller coaster ride in his last fight. I know. Imagine that. You got three different opponents. You got three different weight classes. Everything's changing.

Well, you got two different opponents, right? But a bunch of different weight classes Mm-hmm, and then Ortega can't make it and so Ortega steps out and then he winds up fighting Unlike 40 minutes notice, right? Train that like something I didn't know about that But I was watching DC was actually talking about this and he said that watching DC was actually talking about this and he said that EGAY had been training for five or six weeks obviously he took the fight on like a two-hour call they said Lopez had only been training for three weeks He had shorter notice than EGAY because he got tired in the fight and everybody's thinking he's got a big gas tank Well he had to cut weight too though. He cut weight to 45. Yes, I had three weeks of training weight up and down everywhere

So it's six and he was able to pull it out. Didn't they fight it? Yeah, there was same day when yeah Yeah, which is crazy and that was really like no one should be cutting weight kids right like at this point Like if you make the fight happen, just let him show up I think what they really should do they really should do is just find out what you fucking actually weigh and just stop fighting Nonsense. Yeah, it should be looked at the same way steroids are looked at It should be looked at the same way all other kind of cheating is looked at it's sanctioned cheating It is not really a hundred fifty five. Yeah, I agree with you. Just whatever you weigh just fight there exactly

And more options for weight classes. Do you think same-day weigh-ins would change it but it would get more guys hurt I mean they say that because of dehydration yeah I mean stuff this is the reason why McClellan one of the things I say about head injuries and death in boxing the vast majority of them don't take place in heavyweight so the guys who hit the hardest are not the guys who are getting these horrible brain injuries where they get dead inside the ring. Makes sense, because they're not cutting weight. They're not cutting weight.

And the guys who die a lot, like the Duck Ku Kims, if you look at the guys who die, a lot of them are cutting. Boom Boom was never the same after that. Oh my God, how could you be? You killed a guy. A lot of those guys that are dying are dying in the weight classes where they cut a lot of weight.

Well, I mean, you're right. So like Sean Brady and Gilbert Burns over the weekend. Like they ain't no way Shawn Brady is 170. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. Just let them fight it. 20 minutes.

Just let them fight at 190 right. These guys are 190 pounds. They're 190 pounds. They walk into the cage at 190. They should just be fighting at 190. They should be fighting at 190 and this way they both agree to it You know you can't get any heavier than 194 whatever, but you we know what you weigh like let's just make Yeah, fuck all this weight cutting. It's just cheating

It's and also the the fucking drama of seeing if a guy dehydrated himself enough 24 hours before a cage fight is somehow another interesting to people where Daniel Cormier is pushing down on that towel Remember that shit? Oh yeah yeah yeah yeah Remember DC? Uh huh That's right It ain't cheating if you don't get caught

It's ridiculous John Jones and Daniel Cormier were both fucking killers Let them eat Yeah let them eat Let them eat, let them hydrate themselves Fuck all this weighing in You know what you weigh Figure out what you weigh when you make the contract

Yeah and then just leave it alone That's what it is, yeah that's what it is for sure That's what you weigh figure out what you wave when you make the contract Yeah, and then that's what it is. Yeah, that's what it is That's a joy and and be loose about it guys a pound over a pound under who gives a fuck Well, how about what they don't dehydrate yourself? How about what they did the Mikey Musumichi? Well, I mean he was going up and wait to fight Cade Rotolo so he went up to 170 and then like a couple days like a week before they're like no you got to go back down To 135 Cade Rotolo's out sort of and he's the champion and they treated him like this and they're like you got to go back Down and cut 30 pounds. He gets sick cutting 30 pounds. Well, you almost died Took his belt that's fucked up. Wait a minute, they took his belt?

Yes, they took his belt. They took his belt for missing weight. For missing weight. Wait a minute, really? Yes, that's what I'm saying. Like they, like one totally fucked him. I didn't hear that. Yes, they took his belt.

I saw it, I mean I saw an article about it. How can they take his belt when he's in the hospital for trying to do you a favor? Exactly. Yes, my point exactly. I was shocked, because that's really not what they're supposed to be about. How are you gonna make this fucking guy fight after he almost had a statement or after he's cutting 30 pounds how are you making him do that he's cutting 30 pounds in three days what's their statement one speaks out okay what I say after recent events we feel it is necessary to provide

additional context on Mikey Musa Metsamichi's withdrawal from the 168 Denver Card. Sit-yop Tong and Misamichi, a set of Misamichi. Mikey was obviously put in a difficult spot when Cade Rotolo withdrew due to injury. When that happened, we worked closely with him and his team on a new opponent. Competing at flyweight was something that he personally requested as he felt confident that he could make the hydrated limit of 135 pounds for world title defense. This is not something we pushed to him to do on short notice or would have ever demanded of a one athlete given how much we prioritize fighter safety.

After Mikey failed weight and hydration tests on Thursday, he requested an opponent submission grappling contest against Roberto Oliveira and we continued to work with him to try to keep him on the card. Sid Yon Tong continued on Musumechi. He ultimately felt it was his best interest to withdraw from the contest and we are honoring that. This writing is uncertain when Musumechi will return to one or who will compete for the now vacant belt Musa met you was diagnosed with Phenome new mo new mo me the

stinem Pneumomedia stinem a rare condition which air leaks from a part of the lung. Oh Jesus How do you fucking strip a guy when he winds up in the hospital like they didn't fight? Right exactly that doesn't make any sense like imagine if Alex is fighting Khalil roundtree and in making weight He winds up in the hospital and the fights canceled. He doesn't lose his belt boy in this organization It does that's great. That's what I'm saying. That's crazy. See another reason why weight cutting should be It's not a lot of sense. It's nonsense. It's terrible Yeah, but you know what man, I think it's a part of the culture that can be eradicated

I don't think it's impossible to eradicate it. That's like saying all they can always do steroids Well, you saw it came along and they fixed that right, you know and now drug-free sport. They fixed it It's like most of these athletes are pretty clean It might be a few instances of questionable trip to a foreign land But you're right for the most part it is most part Yeah because we've seen like deteriorations of performance because guys have had to clean up the uber Eam era was the best era when

It was just It was an IQ test was just looking at pictures of him today versus Ubeream and it's pretty crazy because he's lost a ton of weight. Oh, how he looks now? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now he's on a vegan diet and he's all spiritual. Really? Yeah, Alistair's like real thin now. What is it, he's maybe what, 200 pounds? Yeah, he's thinner than he was when he was fighting. That's a weird picture. It's hard to tell from that picture. That's the one I could find. He looked bigger than the other ones. Oh, he's he's he's thinner than he was when he was fighting. That's a weird picture It's hard to tell from that picture. I could find he looked bigger than the other ones Oh, he mean he's still a big they have like side-by-sides of him then and now

It's hard to tell in that picture. He's always gonna be a big guy, you know, he's a massive man But you know when he fought Brock Lesnar, he was just a freak of science Yeah, he was the freakiest of all freaks if you just let that dude juice it up like that that that guy back in the day Yeah, he was the most dangerous cuz those kickboxing skills were top-notch. How about V tour when he was on? Baby traps up to you Back the old us on a rob this of the real u uber him Like if uber him could have stayed uber Yeah, could have stayed uber and just continued at 265 when he fought Brock baby, baby, baby Bro them kicks boxing skills his kickboxing skills were super legit

I think I was a k1 Grand Prix champion that super legit kickboxing skills. And he wasn't a bad grappler, neither. He had a good guillotine. Yeah, he was a good grappler. He won the Abu Dhabi Trials in Europe. Yeah. Yeah, now he's legit. And man, that fucking, the kickboxing though. Oh, oh. It's funny how, you know, you look back on those days, like especially the juicy days, and you wonder like what would the world look like now if we were under the same sort of protocols there were there were under then if there was no real to forget about the TRT days because that was everybody lost their fucking mind that was crazy you're allowing guys to

juice up right that's crazy but when there was just tests at the way ins it's a different thing man yeah that's a different thing just testing at the weigh-ins. That's a different thing man. Yeah. That's a different thing just testing at the weigh-ins. Yeah. No randoms. Right yeah yeah yeah that's for sure. IVs are fine. Oh they are? That's the old days man. That is true. It is rough to get hydrated back up though. Yeah I don't like what was the explanation for that? Yeah, apparently there's some ways that you can mask you just overflood your system with fluids and it cleans out all the traces of whatever Metabolites would be in there. I guess it you know, it's probably a window where it would get back in your urine Hard to get the hydrate. Yeah, that was kind of my point because it kind of takes away from safety, but I guess brother we shouldn't be doing that

They shouldn't be dehydrating themselves But they are I know but but it seems like you know this I actually said this to the guys that bought the UFC When I was talking to Ari about it I was like dude There's the first thing you should do figure out a way to get rid of the weight glasses As they are like whoever is a champion in that keep them as champion Let them defend the belt at what they actually weigh you got a big this weight cuttings the most the thing is gonna fuck us more than anything is just

somebody gets really badly hurt because they had a really bad weight cut like you know guys have kidney failure sure and it's just died you lose all the water around your brain I mean weight classes you think more weight classes you know weight class I You definitely need some. I think you need one every 10 pounds. But I think we should be a little bit looser on what a person weighs. I think you should make a contractual obligation to fight each other. You find out what a person weighs.

His natural weight is 175. Do you want to fight him? Your natural weight is 169. You agree that fight him? Your natural weight is 169. You agree that you can't get any higher than 176. Are you cool with that? Yeah, okay. I'm cool with that. That's like total, you don't have to think at all about cutting weight.

At all. And so the day before the fight, instead of almost dying, you're filling yourself up with carbs and nutrients, you're relaxing. You're going to have a better performance. It's better for the sport. It's better for the health of the athletes It's more representation of what a real 155 pound guy looks like because you see those guys and they get in there and they're 180 like dracchus Yeah, that is not an 185 pound man. He's fucking massive

Maybe they need to weigh in the day they're signing the contract to see where both of them are that way right shenanigans He's got a little they need to hydrate you too. They're like you dudes will fuck around That's true. They'll still cut weight for the weigh-in So if we have a hydration thing like say if you're gonna compete you you you need to be in shape in your Fighting weight and then we're gonna weigh you in and we're gonna check your water levels. We're gonna check your hydration Okay, this is what you actually weigh you weigh Check your water levels. We're gonna check your hydration. Okay, this is what you actually weigh you weigh 182 pounds in your prime ready to go. Okay, so this is what you guys are contractually obligated to stay in this range Mm-hmm, so you can't get any higher than 183 or 184. He's given like a two pound. Nobody's have to take a shit

No one's gonna they know what's gonna be saying their real weight to begin with No, they won't be able to stop. Yeah, fucking hydrate test them. Yeah, they test them. So if they show up, you say to a guy, like, look, we're going to show up, we're going to test you at the weight that you're going to fight at. So you can't get any higher than this, and we're going to make sure that you're not dehydrated. So we're going to check you to make sure that you're not fucking around, like, pretending that you're 182 pounds, really 200, and you dehydrate yourself for the last four hours. Let's find out what you really weigh.

What they do in, like Maryland for high school wrestling, before the season, the kids have to get the electric body composition, and it sees what they weigh, it sees where their body fat percentage is, and it says you can't go no lower than this. So they basically dictate to them. They should do a little bit more. They should do blood.

They should do blood hydration levels. They should check your urine. I think that would cost a lot for a school system to do it. The UFC do it. I'm not saying schools. What school systems do is great. I mean, for the UFC. They just need to be sure.

Don't let anybody fuck around like, hey, you showed up at 196. You still want to take the fight like what the fuck? It's 182. What are we doing? The problem is the UFC has the ability to do this no other organization would have the ability to do that I'm saying that's the problem is it and the UFC obviously could do it like at the P.I. like every year This is what we do, but no other or like regional level organizations wouldn't be able to do it so it'd be a little tougher. I heard, doesn't California do some kind like Andy Foster do some kind of hydration testing there for athletes?

I think he has a limit on how much you can gain. I think he has a percentage of, yeah. North Carolina does that too. But then you're just making sure the guys dehydrate because guys are knuckleheads. They're gonna dehydrate themselves anyway to have that size advantage Especially got like McClellan who's things gonna take you out in the first round anyway, and they're size bullies

Yeah, you should find out what you fucking really weigh and fight at what you really weigh and it shouldn't be the ultimate weight-cutting Championship better for your chin not to be Everything better for the longevity better for the health of your physical body that is your weapon of war for sure yes for everything recovery performance There'd be better fights some guys like I like the PI That's pretty that's a good. Yeah Look it can be done because if it wasn't and then all sudden people started doing it It would be something people would call out if nobody ever cut weight and then all sudden everybody started cutting weight Everybody what the fuck is this shit? You're not 170 pounds. This is a lie

How are you the 170 pound champion when you weight 200 pounds? That's crazy My wife hates that she's she that's her biggest peeve with MMA is weight cutting. She's like that's not even fair You know well it is fair because you're both doing it, but it's not right. Yeah It's stupid. It's bad for everybody 155 was brutal for me to make and 165 that would have been great for me. That's what I'm saying 170 I was I was small for once so all you need is 10 pounds every 10 pounds we go 170 goes to 175 85 95 205 maybe 225 And then it's super big is the fucking guy is I don't like this 265 bullshit

Rolla Williams last time you weighed 265 Actually right now Well you were So you'd have to lose a fuckload of weight you'd have to lose 40 fucking pounds that's crazy Yeah, not that's crazy. That's so hard to do like when you got a guy like in Ghana There's a natural 265 which is nuts like he falls right there Like right in the hot zone like a natural shredded 265, but that's what he really weighs He's not cutting weight.

That's his actual weight. Right. What's the weight? Do they have the same shit in Bellator or PFL? Yeah. I don't think they have a super heavyweight. I don't think anybody has an active super heavyweight division in MMA that I'm aware of.

No big organization. I don't think PFL has it. Japan really was the only place to put on the crazy freak shows. They didn't give a fuck, dudes. Japan really was the only place to put on the crazy shows 180-pound guy fight a gorilla Garcia fight housewives Toto took on all kinds of giants Butterbeak Butterbeak crack yeah, yeah, yeah that guy remember that time we had a boxing match against some football player

Somebody let some poor football player have a boxing match with butter being it might have been a celebrity boxing match and butter being knocked Him into another dementia. He's a tough man, bro He was what did I used to call him the king of the four round? Yeah? So big he's going to this 450 fucking pounds So he could go out there and windmill blow what a goddamn nightmare that guy was you couldn't hit anything on him Well, he was like he's he was doing horribly. He's like 150 sweaters on you're not gonna hurt him like a hundred for these sweaters on, you're not gonna hurt him. Like 150 sweaters. And that other guy looks natural. This gotta be Japan.

Who is that other guy? Yeah. Who is he fighting there? Man, he's leg kicking this guy. Royster? Oh, so this is a kickboxing match. Yeah, it's nuts. When I was at my heaviest, I kind of looked like that.

Is this a football player that he's fighting? I have no idea honestly. I just typed that in. That's just the video. Oh well it might have been. It might have been a football player who trained MMA. Yeah it didn't say Marcus Royster. Oh nice knee to the body.

He's big enough. See if you can find there was a boxing match that he had against some football player dude. Dude poor Butterbean. That guy couldn't walk, couldn't anything. But now he now he's fucked up celebrity boxing. That's probably it. Yeah He's diamond page brought it like really did another another one. He brought him back man Shout out the DDP such a positive guy. Yeah, like put out in the house feeding them all that You should like it's something to see like he really brought him back butter bean couldn't even What I mean first big fight? This poor dude this poor dude got shot into another dimension oh he looks like he looks like he's getting shot

It deserves it for that fucking step. This is one of them guys that you know somebody should have told them. Like this is a bad idea. Eventually this fucking crazy looking dude is going to catch you. We're one of these meat bombs. He's going to hit you right in your porn stash. There's a thing about winning with a porn stash. You know but you get KO'd with a porn stash on. People, they don't feel sympathetic to you. They should, you stupid ass with that mustache. See if you can find out where this ends. Yeah, butter bean.

Right. Ooh. Come on, this is a highlight. Whoever they, this is a click bait on us. Oh, so does it, does he stop him here? Maybe this is a different guy. Is this the one that goes the distance? This might be the wrong one. This guy played football. Oh, so does it does he stop him here? Yeah, yeah, he can punch dude he could punch it was just crazy to watch a guy who's only willing to fight four rounds. King of the four rounders. It was awesome. You know he's used to that tough man shit. I fought in that when I was 18.

There's a place for everything, right? Like the bare knuckle thing. Like we were talking about Mike Perry before we started doing this. That's the perfect spot for that dude. He should have told Jake Paul, listen, we need to fight, but let's do bare knuckle, pussy. Let's go. Where I'll do this, you do that.

It's a different thing, man. It's a different knuckle, pussy. Let's go. Where I'll do this, you do that. It's a different thing, man. It's a different thing with that guy. Well, it's like Matt always says, play to your strengths. Yeah, but you know, you gotta take that payday. I mean, what did he make out of that fight? He probably made 10 million bucks or something. And Jay Paul's very smart, man. Like, he gets guys that he's bigger than.

Bigger than, younger than. The only time he fought another boxer his size was Tom Fury and he lost. Tom Fury? Good fight. Tom Fury. Very lost. Tom Fury? Yeah. Tommy Fury. Very good fight, very good fight. You know, I think he's like any other young

up and coming boxer, it's just everybody dismisses him because he's a YouTuber. For sure, it's easy to dismiss him, but I was there when he knocked out Tyron and I was like, man, I'm done with this kid. I was like, I never wanted to corner another fight in my life, man. I was like, yo, he just knocked my boy flat fight in my life, man. I was like, yo, he just knocked my boy flat out on his face, man.

I was heartbroken. Bro, he has power. He has real power. And that's why, like, everybody's talking about this Mike Tyson thing. I was like, man, they should not be letting this thing happen. I really hope he doesn't knock Mike Tyson out. To me, I'll just be real bummed out to see Mike get KO'd at 58 years old. 60 basically.

Like, what other sport would we let a 58 a 58 year old man compete other than golf right? But you know like why are we letting this happen? It's kind of crazy, but he's made for it man like he's made my guess Yeah, I mean, it's listen. I'm sure he's perfectly capable of knocking him out He is perfectly capable if he zigs when he should have zagged if Mike can close the distance in a way that he doesn't expect and Mike also has layers upon layers of attacks that are in his mind, he's forgotten more about boxing than Jake Paul has ever remembered. It's just how quickly can it happen because how much gas is a guy like that going to have? How does he feel now? He might have been excited when he said he was wanted to do it But how's he feel now you got months and months and months of this

I just want to see where it on him mitts does he dismiss the does it does he wish he didn't say yes to it? How's his health house is back house? It seems to be having fun when he's promoting. Yeah It's probably on mushrooms, bro Yeah, he seems to be probably on mushrooms, bro Reward like if he loses he's also almost 60 if he wins fuck man. That's another great He's a monster look at the at the end of the day Mike Tyson's monster and if you can get that monster to just move In and close the distance and he if he on course all boom boom on Jake Paul watch Jake Paul going to queer street That will be wild to watch a 58 year old Mike. It would be best case scenario for the world Someone gets hurt. Yeah, best case scenario for the world is that he knocks Jake Paul

Yeah, best case scenario is Jake Paul realizes immediately He's in there with Mike Tyson that Mike Tyson at least for a round or two Cracked it's gonna I guarantee you his head's gonna be like oh shit. It's gonna be interesting to see what happens How many rounds is it? I think it's eight eight two-minute rounds that are two minutes Yeah, I think they're doing two minute rounds I think they have her do they have ten ounce gloves or twelve ounce gloves? Jimmy thought that of the two-minute round. Yeah, I think they're making them have slightly bigger gloves which he announced 14 That's so sparring. Yeah, and it's not sanctioned right it can't be sanctioned. It's sanctioned. It's saying how do you sanction that? Texas

My wife was driving home one day she saw zebra same place has more She was just zebra loose like a welcome to Texas baby a zebra. Yeah, you can have a zebra here They got a few tigers here, right There's more tigers in captivity in Texas in private collections than in all of the wild of earth Yes, that's true Tiger's getting loose in people's yards. They fence them in bro So how big are these tigers like they're tiger tigers real real real tigers Thousands of tigers in private collections in Texas really bro. This is a crazy place. It's a crazy place

Oh, it's so tight, but the weed It's a crazy place. Oh, it's so tight with the weed. Yeah, but you can't smoke weed here. They gotta bail on that. They're also tight with fentanyl tests, which is even crazier. Escape tiger that had Texas communities on edge finally caught. Oh yeah, that was around Houston. Bangle tiger was on loose for nearly a week. Jesus. What was it eating?

That's Houston. See, you got all that oil money down there in Houston, and that's where dudes have their own tigers It's what I like about New York. You just gotta worry about some raccoons. Yeah There's a guy in New York that had a fucking tiger in his house in Harlem. What yeah There's a photograph a famous photograph of these cops even find that photo Jamie the the cops are looking through the foot right there Looking through the window. How's guy had a tiger in his fucking apartment. Oh my god I think bro how insane is that photo was the guy in there was he eating? I don't think the guy got killed

I think they just found out the guy had a tiger in there and they had to go in and dart him Then they had to drag him out of there and take him to the zoo Yeah, the dude had a 450 pound cat in his fucking apartment How do you clean up after that not well get a big little first of all that things gonna piss everywhere? I know they mark their territory, but pissing on things they get a smell Oh, they would have a bro and even that guy was just Tigard out. He was all in regular cat urine's bad enough I know tiger tigers just pissing on your walls. Oh Tell it don't do your arm

what happened to the tiger king is he in jail still yeah still in jail I had the people who did the documentary on yesterday that thing was crazy though with that killing himself by accident crazy anybody first of all that that I mean first of all you don't find more white trash than Fucking you know, it's chimp crazy They take it to the next level. Yeah, I'm not watching that. I am gonna watch it bro. It's nuts. It's nuts It's fucking nutty man. Whoo the people's desire to have these things that could kill them. It's so strange I'll just watch the new plenty the apes movie Is that supposed to be good? What's good that's out now?

Those aren't bad though. From what I've seen, those aren't bad. How's that alien movie? Did you see that? The new one? No. I heard it's good. Really?

Yeah, I heard it's real good. I heard it's scary as fuck. I heard it goes back to the first alien where they're hard to find and scary. After a while they were everywhere and you just shoot them. The first one, you couldn't even find that fucker. He was sneaking around aliens acid blood yeah He was phenomenal aliens was such a great sequel to alien because it was a different take on it and then the space the marine space marines and

Fucking Newton fucking Hicks Hicks was great Hudson was good. Oh Hudson was fucking great Bill Paxson Oh, yeah, gave over man good movie. It was a totally different kind of movie right so you got Ridley Scott does the first alien suspending you got this suspenseful Terrifying thing and people start coming up missing and you know, it's fucking hiding in the ceiling I'm thinking Tom Everett's gonna be the hero. And then all of a sudden he gets taken out. You're like, wait, wait, what? What? Oh, it's gonna be Sigourney.

She's the hero. She was the first male or female lead of a monster movie, action movie, where you didn't go, oh, they're pushing a woman on me. She's right. You believed it. Yes, yes, yes. You believed that this lady scientist got stuck in this fucking spaceship with a demon Oh, this is great. Oh that movie's so good. It is so aliens is good, but alien is better

No, because it's hard to kill like aliens. They're shooting them left and right They're all over the place in the people in aliens Alien one would have been done in five minutes like But in this one they kill so many of them until they get to the mother and then when the mother doesn't kill her when she's wearing the robot suit I'm like shut the fuck up bitch but I like what she's like get away from her you know what was going on in the second one they were prepared for what they were coming up against the thing is there's too much exposed I don't buy it if she's in a robot thing where she's completely encased okay, but she's just all out there

Bitch this is a giant alien. How is that thing not gonna? It moves way quicker than people How's that not gonna fuck you up instantaneously with your stupid-ass slow robot? I'm gonna fuck you up instantaneously with your stupid-ass slow robot Moments in that though that movie when they're like when they barricade themselves in the in the in the in the one room And they're like they have the monitor and they're like did through the wall that's that's inside the room It can't be inside the room also They look up and he put and then you see Hicks He looks he pushes up the tile you see them all crawling in the yeah, that was fucking money fucking money I want a great movie. It's a great movie. It's just a different kind of movie

You know I was I was hoping they would have got more into like the engineers like when they did that Prometheus But they were got into those people, but they really it wasn't much of the movie This was good, but the one after Prometheus was better What was that one? Jamie was the last one with Kenny McBride in it right? Yes ended fucked up Covenant yeah, it wasn't just he's mullet in that one, too This one's good, please tell me this is another no man. He's in there. He's in the spaceship. He's working the controls. This is a good one though man, this one's good. Please tell me this was early. Cause this is another, no man, he's in there. He's in the spaceship. He's working the controls.

This is a- Oh yeah, I saw this one. This is a real good one. This one's fucking good. This one's really good. And again, the aliens in this one, they're hard to get a hold of. Is that Michael Fassbender?

Yeah. Yes, yes. So these are the things that get to you here. Oh shit. Little spores get inside you from that egg It's a good one man. This is a really good one. Yeah, I did when these do start shaking when it gets them Mmm It's fucking great. That's a good one. Yeah, I bet I heard the new one is really good, too

I think the new ones really Scott too as well right and he's doing a new is he doing a new gladiator Really? Did he do the new God? I don't know. I mean I know oh yeah Coming out yeah, I'm on the fence with that I'm on the fence with it. Why I don't know No, I mean Looks like he's like I don't know is he talking like New York slang Denzel and the fucking thing no man Oh, did people said something about his accent right? What is the accent that people have an issue with that's what we hear Denzel. Let's hear his accent Where were you born? I don't know. I never knew a mother nor father

You will be my instrument Why you? Denzel be a regular dude. Yeah, but they won't have a British accent They always want people when they're speaking another language is translated English Denzel, man. Sound like a regular dude. Yeah. But they want him to have a British accent. They always want people when they're speaking another language that's translated to English, they always want them to have a British accent. I know, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter where it took place.

It's Rome. Right? Isn't that weird? Yeah. Everyone talks in a different way. Yeah. Yeah, it's weird. It is kind of weird.

Like, this is in India. I mean, you know what I'm saying? No matter where it is. Yeah. They want them to have a British accent. This is in Rome. This is in Italy. Why would they, why would they talk like this? But there's something about like hearing regular,

modern English in the old timey movie, like nah. No, like you don't buy it now. Yeah, you need an accent. Like Tyrion Lannister. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All the people in Game of Thrones, they all had an English accent. Did they speak Latin with an Italian accent back then?

Or did they develop over time? That's a good question an English accent. Did they speak Latin with an Italian accent back then? That's a good question. I don't think they spoke Latin. I don't think these people were speaking Latin. Were they? In Rome? Yeah. They may have been. Were they speaking Italian or were they speaking Latin? They would have been speaking Latin back then.

Okay, but here's the question, the reason why I ask this. When Martin Luther was translating the Bible in the 1500s or the 1400s, whatever that was, that the reason why the Bible was the priests would be the only one that could tell you the Word of God, because they're the only one that could read Latin. So no one spoke Latin, no one read Latin, they couldn't read it. So these people didn't know what was in the Bible until Martin Luther, he translated into phonetic languages. Translated, I think German and a couple other languages got it got eventually translated too so then people could read the Bible for themselves whereas before it was just Latin so when did Latin die off when did they stop using Latin hmm cuz Latin's a weird one like you learn

it in school but you're never gonna fucking use it Roman like I agree they spoke Latin Greek like when did Latin go isn't it crazy so the Roman Empire they spoke a language that's dead. It's a great language Yeah, which is gone now gone for 76 that's probably people stopped speaking it But priest probably still knew because of all everything was right there It is after the fall of Rome in 476 AD Latin began to die out and distinct local Latin dialects developed Wow So these dialects eventually evolved to modern romance languages like Italian and Spanish,

which is crazy. That means those languages are only 500 fucking years old. That's nuts. But if you see a movie about it, it was English with an English accent. Right. Of course. Yeah, of course.

But isn't it crazy that those languages, like Italian, is only like 500 years old? Who the fuck would have guessed that? And there's a lot of similarities between Spanish and Italian as well. Oh yeah. that those languages like Italian is only like 500 years old who the fuck would have guessed that? There's a lot of similarities between Spanish and Italian as well. Oh yeah they all well Texas is way bigger than all those places you know which is nuts like Europe when you look at America it's basically like Europe right but we don't call it different countries right but Kentucky is so much different than Los Angeles you know?

It'd be 1,500 years old not 500. Kentucky is so much different than Los Angeles, you know, it'd be 1,500 years old not 500. Oh, that's right. 20. Yeah, and none of us caught that either. You're just saying you're saying it. Not. Okay, so I'm sorry. 1500 years still languages developing that you would think they're older than that. Did you guys ever watch and I watched it more than once I watched it like at least a few times this the series Rome yeah, I have the box They crammed it into two seasons budget was high budget was super high at the time and it is a fucking great Pullio oh the bad bad ass! Oh my god, what a great show! It's supposedly, that guy's real. Such a great show. Who they based it on, they based it on a real dude.

It holds up. I never heard anything about it. You should watch this. This is where, this is named Ray Stevenson. I highly recommend it. I think he played the Punisher too and all the actors. Ray Stevenson's, he was Pooleo in this. That's what put him on. And the other guy, Lucius, is phenomenal. Yeah, I want to say that Lucius Was tied a little based that on a real guy. Well, listen it is it is so great and Even if you go into YouTube and watch Lucius and Titus just being badass or Titus Puleo being badass is just oh my god Such a great series no shit That's amazing good watch it's only just finished the Peaky Blinders Yeah, you go through this only two seasons and again. I revisit it a lot. Have you been to Rome?

You know, no me my wife. She's waiting for my stomach to get better I don't fucking go and put a cork up my ass because I'm not gonna just go Yeah, why you can but I heard you can eat the food over there and it's not as bad for you Not nurse wait. Well, we've got some weird shit going on with our food. That's for sure You can eat pasta over there. You feel normal. No, I definitely feel fine We're gonna go they don't have so good. I don't have poison in their foods over there It's nice families. We you know fruit loops in America are different than fruit loops in fucking Canada You know fruit loops in America are different than fruit loops in fucking Canada because we

Dirty yeah, we allow those funky dyes that are horrible for you and European countries like no that's just that shit's poison Loaded with sugar Loaded with sugar, but we never know when we were kids. No one ever told you. Sugar just all it did was rot your teeth. No big deal. That's what it felt like. Yeah. You didn't think it was going to kill you. I grew up on that shit. All of it. I used to take Frosted Fricks and put sugar on it. Remember those days? You get down to the bottom of that mill with sugar. And if I had a look I had kool-aid in there to my sugar water in it, I Remember remember Travis Luthor? Yeah guys are like too smart. They're all good

I don't know about meeting raisins in there and I'm and he's eating fucking KitKats. Oh, yeah, he's sugar sugar I got that. I don't think it works like that. I'm out of I'm far from a fucking Nutritionist, but I don't think you know Said there is something to be said for drinking things that have a high sugar content after hard training If there's that's that's fact and you know who used to do that Floyd Mayweather Floyd Mayweather used to be having these crazy workouts He would crack open a Pepsi and people like what the fuck is he doing? Like he's crazy, but no, he's nice smart. Like you

As hard as that guy worked out replenish your most You're getting that muscle glycogen in a crazy way that you're really not gonna get any other way Like I don't recommend drinking soda. I like it. It's fun I like to drink a soda every now and then a real one But he used to drink it after training when I saw like Paul Felder does like after like a long bike ride Yeah, he would talk about like drinking a soda Yeah the best times they do it or like they say either when you if you wake up just cuz you're

Fasted or after a big workout there to save his times Yeah, I mean he's there drinking a coke and you would think like there's no way this guy he treats his body like a temple But he does he's smart That guy did it the right way never drank. Yeah ever partied never was out of shape Never got fat would run home from the club at 2 o'clock in the morning in his jeans Yeah, just fucking getting in work Yeah, he got to see all the mistakes. Yeah, he's like I'm not making any of these Yeah, he was built different to like he's mistakes. Yeah. And he's like, I'm not making any of these. Yeah, he was built different, too.

Smarter. Yeah, smarter than everybody else. He's just brought up in it. I can't knock everybody out, but I can get everybody to want me to get knocked out. And so people come to see me get knocked out, and I beat everybody. That's right, yep.

I mean, he's definitely the greatest defensive fighter of all time. If boxing is hit and don't get hit, who's better than Floyd? Zero people who how many people cracked him in his career yeah Shane right Shane cracked him I mean chop chop the demarcus quarrely crack crack them once and then Conor McGregor homeboy from Argentina My Donna Was pretty My God knocked his tooth out and they would carry it around on a necklace

My Donna has fully me with his tooth. Yes show it Jamie my Donna has Like on a gold necklace a lot of people thought my Donna won the first one but they're like if you crack he definitely cracked him at the end of that round and wobbled him And then it was right at the bell and so then Floyd got back on his bike and started out boxing him But my Donna see there it is. There's his tooth. See there it is He's got it knocked out and he keeps it around We can count how many times you've been cracked amazing Yeah, amazing, but also could recover. Yeah for sure recover. He just had a lot of hand injuries

How do you find his tooth in that motherfucker? So he's like probably tell this guy In the fight it flies out of his mouth and one of the corner men saw it and grabbed it. Yeah. Yeah, that's great Great. That's hilarious. That's funny. We need that. That's a souvenir. At second fight, Floyd got the ring bigger, and he just destroyed him in the second one

because he had more room to run. The first one, Maidana was kept getting him on the ropes, getting him on the ropes, and beating him up. Well, if you're going to have a rematch with a master technician, he's going to figure out all your little things. Well, he's the shot caller. So he doesn't say how big the ring is and everything. You're gonna have a rematch with a master technician. He's gonna figure out all your little Shot callers, so you see how big the ring is and super lack in 1fc I didn't see that no, what is that dude super lack is this?

badass Muay Thai fighter and he fought Jonathan Haggerty Who was that was that when he hit him with the elbow? Yeah. Yeah, I heard about that Yeah, but I saw an interesting breakdown here. It is so how good look at it. He caught him with that over top elbow Like real quick in the fight. I think was like 40 seconds. Oh beautiful KO So they had a real good fight in the first fight Was six years ago and Haggerty became the champion and everybody thought you know like this can be much much different fight But what I saw that was interesting was someone broke down There was a video breakdown of his tells that heggardy has a certain hop hop

And then he goes in and then super leck had timed it and he tried it earlier in the round and didn't catch it And in this one look at this perfect timing gets his head off the center line God perfect elbow this is the thing that I love that one FC is doing I don't love what they did to Mikey Moose imagining but what I love what they're doing is they're having world-class Muay Thai fighters and they're putting them in these giant cards where like tens of thousands of people see it on Amazon yeah and then so millions of people are gonna see it around the world on Amazon, and it's on the internet.

So all these people are going to be able to see it on YouTube. And it's exposing people to these guys that are just like super high-level strikers that you're not going to hear about. 200 fights. Like, Rod Tang, who would have heard of Rod Tang if it wasn't for one? For sure. For sure. Right now everybody knows who he is. Yeah.

That fucking elbow reminded me, it just brought me back to a wide minversa mark moon as That fight I think was would uh inspire Chris Padilla to use the elbow against Ron zoo over the weekend Really? Yeah and busted his eye wide open. They stopped the fight cuz that's interesting Incredible this is prime Timing on that he was out already man. Wideman was a motherfucker dude. He was a motherfucker. Look at this elbow Phenomenal clean phenomenal Timing yeah Chris. He's fighting on there is soon Eric. Yeah, Eric. Yeah, what is that? What is that? That's a? Madison Square Garden

November 16 whoo, that's a crazy fight. Yeah, I don't see Chris is in South Carolina now I don't see we don't see him so much South Carolina Chris now Wonderboy He's got like his own people with like Brian Barberina They got a decent little squad down there from what I hear well, he was throwing kicks in the last fight Yeah, throwing hard kicks that right like I can't watch it. It's crazy I can't watch it, but it seemed like he was trying to prove a point He's such a nut he's such a beast Chris. Well, I mean that last fight was a bummer though The eye poke thing was a real bummer. It kind of made it. Yeah

It was a bummer I feel like I keep saying it but I feel like they should cover those fingertips There's no reason why they're exposed doesn't make any sense. Do it like a bad glove cover it like a bad Well, I mean, I just don't understand why like how they thought this was gonna solve the problem They were like new gloves and it's our's are still getting poked in the eye Yeah, it's still the same set up Yeah No If you really want like I feel like for if you're gonna have the fingerless ones Trevor witness Trevor Whitman's are the best

They curve down right curve. Yeah hard Yeah, your hands stay in this position like you have to struggle to do this, right? Your hand naturally goes in this position the UFC gloves are still like this Yeah, like how did they struggle to do this. Your hand naturally goes in this position. The UFC gloves are still like this. Yeah, like how did they think that was going to be the answer? You got to cover the fingers. There's no reason to not cover the fingers like a bad glove. Just have a piece of leather that goes over the fingertips so you have one thing. It's not going to invade your grappling.

It's not going to change your striking. It's not going to change anything. Put like a piece of elastic in there. Yeah, yeah. Just keep it closed. And this way, at least if you get poked in the eye, you're getting it's not gonna change anything. Put like a piece of elastic in there. Yeah just keep it closed and This way you at least if you get poked in the eye you're getting a blunt thing like this You're not getting something that goes into your eyeball. Yeah, right so have them all Covered with something like that and have like a ridge over the top of it like a soft foam ridge So even if you're getting poked in the eyes, you're not definitely better than a finger. Yeah

You're not getting an individual thing going deep into your eyeball with a fingernail, which is what people get right now And some get fucking fingernails. Yeah, dirty ass fingernail in your eye Even even if you trim your nails like my nails are trimmed. I wouldn't want that in my asshole Oh, let me look at me today. Imagine if that's in your asshole. Yeah scratch around inside your asshole, right? Your eyeball is just like the boy. She man. Yeah, that's worse than little ant man Scarred that's where I was going with it. It's like soft tissue in your eyeballs is the scariest soft tissue We're allowing fingernails to go in there for no reason you could fix that you really could fix that by just covering the tips of the fingertips I

Think you should just use Trevor Whitman's glove Trevor what is the best yeah I do too you're always gonna have thumbs you know you remember Roberto Durant and Davey Moore yeah yeah right Dean Thomas do you want them to use the Trevor Whitman gloves because you feel bad about taking his fucking job well, I can't help you. He left the job so he could work on them gloves. So you might as well give him the love for that. Trevor Whitman has the best gloves. Yeah. He has the best training gloves. He has the best back gloves. All his equipment is top tier. He uses the best materials. Like the foam he uses is very different. It's like super high tech density foam. It feels better when you're hitting things I think it protect people from hand injuries better yeah so they

should talk to them they did apparently you wanted some crazy amount of money that the UFC wasn't willing to do that's UFC's perspective I don't know what Trevor I love Trevor but I'm a big fan of his stuff if it was up to me I would figure out a way to make that work. Yeah, for sure. But, you know, apparently he wanted something crazy. Something crazy? Yeah. Not only that, Dean Thomas has your fucking other job now. So that's why... So that's why... Dean, you do a good job with that.

Yeah, you do. Thank you very much. Nobody dresses better. Yeah, listen, that's my... How do you plan that out, Scott? I got to, man, because I'm working with y'all. You know what I'm saying you know that Joe Rogan DC You know I gotta I gotta have my own thing. You don't you have a flare. Yeah your own Dean Thomas flare Yeah, I got I got to show up somehow you show up Hey, there's some good fights on this car this weekend. You know I know Bob Mundes is a bad motherfucker He is a bad motherfucker. That's a bad one. Yeah,undes, yeah. That's an interesting fight on the undercard.

Let's see. He's fighting Manuel Torres who's also good. Yeah. That's a good fight, man. That's a real good fight. That's one of them under the radar fights. They put people in here to like the throw. This card is people like the throw.

They sure did. Who did Manuel Torres fight his last fight? He beat the hell out of somebody last night. He did. Bahamundes throw some wild shit. Oh yeah, Chris Duncan. Yeah, he busted Chris Duncan. Yeah. Yeah. This is a, that's gonna be an interesting fight, but for me, go scroll all the way up to the top, Jamie. No, no, no, the, uh, the end of the card. I'm very, very interested in the rematch of Alexa Grasso

and Valentina. Yes, me too. I felt like Valentina did enough to get the nod in the card. I'm very very interested in the rematch of Alexa Grasso and Valentina. Yes me too. I felt like Valentina did enough to get the nod in the second fight. I did too. I felt like she and some judge gave the last round to Alexa Grasso 10-8. They had two points. Which I thought was kind of... Well you know why right? Yeah she had her in the choke. Yeah. And like he was just kind of biased from the first choke, right? So he thought I was close enough. It was kind of close, but it wasn't you know I mean it means something if you're gonna do that you should do that all the time Anytime someone gets you in a choke and you defend that's a 10-9 already You already got a 10-9 anything more than that now

It's 10-8, you know like like boxing with knockdowns, right? The scoring is too subjective 10-8 round is more like when Al Jermain had yawn on his back the entire round right threatening You know what I'm smashing them getting at the end of the big doesn't right to point right at ten eight is a dominant Round you like you dominated the whole round and I don't even did they give Al Jermain two point like a time I think you got ten eight for that. Oh, I know it was poor I don't know didn't get the respect he deserves after that Calvin K to fight which was a fucking beautiful Masterpiece it was a it was a great fight I think Al Joe's just a 45 or who was a bad motherfucker at 35, but I think you're gonna see the real Al

Joe 45 I think so too. I think he's gonna be oh boy in a couple weeks to he's so big man I was like how though I saw him in between He's gonna beat most are in a couple weeks to he's so big man. I was always like how though I saw him in between He's gonna beat Mozart a couple weeks interesting fight high-level grappling. Yeah interested very back when he got San Hagan's back Bro, that was the quickness. Oh, yeah that rear naked choke of his is about as good as it gets in MMA Right now these top three fight How do you think or take like what happened to a take a last time we pulled out like something was up with supposedly? You got a weight or something. Yeah, I'm real bad. Oh, yeah, he got real real I thought I got real because they made that fight on like I said, it was a three-week notice fight

Yeah, he didn't look good the day of the weigh-ins, you know, I do the interviews with fighters I did an interview with him and he was like he just looked tired yeah I think he just I mean he didn't make weight that fight either remember it was a medical withdrawal so he missed a weight and then on top of that like they changed the weight class then on top of that he never makes it to the fight he was sick it's gonna be a wild fight Diego Lopez is a fucking assassin Zell Huber is an assassin too I was was getting ready to say that's going to be another banger. He's good, yeah.

Who do you like on that one? I heard old Cejudo talking about Ribovic apparently trains at his gym. Ribovic's is good man. He's very good. This is a very fun fight. Very fun fight. There's a lot of like under the radar fights on this card. I think it's going to live up to it. I mean they got a lot of like under the radar fights on this card. I Think it's gonna live up to it

I mean they got a lot of hype on the sphere and like the names may not be there But all these guys are bangers Here's the question do they you know how they show like on the big screens you get to see the fights if you're in the stands Like so you could see things that maybe you don't see are they gonna have it on the whole ceiling? Looking up and seeing shit, you know like they should so I've been I was at the apex You're looking up and seeing shit? I think they should. I was at the Apex all week last week and it's so secretive. I think they should have the fight on the whole ceiling and then everybody would not know where to fuck to look. They'd be getting knockouts and people would need to be looking at them.

It's way cooler to see if it's only going to do it once. Have the shit on the ceiling. Are there going to be two production trucks like the people like people at home aren't gonna be seeing the whole visual cuz you know It's produced for that's a very good To they hired another director Yeah, so it's like Yeah, like it's just been like crazy Which they are they should make some kind of documentary or something about the making of this

Oh, they probably you know what I mean and and so people get to try to see what was going on inside of there They weren't able to get tickets. I think there's six mini movies that play about the history of combat sports I said that they say something like that. Yeah, that's crazy crazy. They spent 20 million dollars on this fucking place I've heard I think what the original budget was $10 million. And they just went over? So Sean O'Malley and Marab is a perfect fight for it. Oh yeah. I know that neither one of them is Mexican, but let that go for a little bit.

Mexico, they adopted Marab. He fights like a Mexican. He really does. God damn that guy's gas tank is terrifying He's terrifying cuz that's a guy that if you empty out early on mirab you got real He's got a chin on he survives apparently so he fucking's the Marlin Marlin fight was nuts man Yeah, and it was funny about second half of the round. He got dropped in he beat him to death beat him to death I know he almost And the second half of the round he got dropped in he beat him to death beat him to death

I know he almost stopped Second round happened how it did he just beat he took it out of him in the first round Yeah, but Rob is an animal but my rise was like a front-runner like no other No, you're right first round Henry, so who do I thought Henry pseudo was going to sleep? Yeah, right? Dude when when Marlon was in his prime when he knocked out Aljo with that switch kick bro he was terrifying people forgot how good Marlon was he was good good but he is too big for the weight class too he was another guy there's no way that was healthy right he was so big for 35 and just shred explosive man just he did it. Explosive, man, just, bah! He had that Mickey Mouse voice to go with it.

The little fire plug with that little voice. What Marlin had that was so tricky was that left high kick off the front leg, man. He caught a lot of people. He did it so slick, it was so fast. Yeah, he was explosive, he was accurate, he was well-rounded, but he did the gas tank, I think maybe for making the weight or whatever.

It had to do with, there was some psychological aspects to it too it too. I think there was like something when he was the nail It wasn't as you know he just didn't stand up. He wasn't like Marab like Marab finds a fucking There's a Georgia memory in there some fucking street fight with a goat There's some deep memory of some fucking chaotic thing on a mountain that happened that's in his brain forever. You know, you got Sean O'Malley saying that he has... Sean O'Malley says he has no loss as he points out that Chito Vera thing that it's a fluke. If you look at Marab's record, that fight with Frankie Size was a fucking... I don't say it often,

it's a fucking robbery if you watch that. And he was just getting over fucking, what do you have? Not in the moan. He had something, he had lingering effects of something. And he still went through that fight. He, I don't give a fuck, watch that fight. He won that fight. And then the other one with Simone, Ricky Simone, it was controversial because he was in the choke and the round ended and then he was like half in half out. No, I go he's out and then so it's a weird Let's see. They I haven't seen that. Let me see that Ricky Simone Rob I forgot about he's shaking to the end of it and then when it's end of it It's like out but in and out so it's like it was a weird but he made it to the belt

Yon Shao non against Zhang Wei Li member at the end of the round she was out cold. Oh, yeah Unconscious But he won because he was the first guy to wake up yeah Ricky Simone gets in a guillotine and is the very end oh my god that's so nasty look how nasty that is it's on that's so tight it's so tight he's out he's out right he's out the arms hang but he doesn't stop okay so he's hanging in there he's hanging in there but where's the second so if he's not tapping god damn that guy's got willpower, huh?

For real. Look at him. He's not tapping. Yo, he's adjusting the grip. He's not defending with his arms either. This is crazy. He's not even defending with his arms. He's just using his neck.

He's giving the thumbs up. Yeah. Ten seconds? He's still moving his legs. I mean that's... The horn? But now he's like... He's breathing.

Yeah what the fuck they stopped the fight. No no no no you can't say he's out there. That's what I'm saying. You can't say he's out. Rest in peace Dr. Sher saying. You can't say he's not rest in peace. Dr. Sherry Right. That was the team doctor walking Yeah, that's kind of crazy that's fucked up After the fight was over. Yeah, if after the round was over that decided he was out Yeah, so I mean so look you could look at his record and say he protested immediately

Yeah, it's just laying there with his eyes open and it looked like he was out because he was fucking exhausted Yeah, like he could be like alright. Yeah Look, there's no way he would have known if the guy says it's over and he immediately protest There's no way he could have known to protest if he wasn't awake And who was the ref? I don't even recognize him in this so it's like you could look at his record and be like Yo, this guy hasn't lost the fight. Yeah, there's some, you know, refs are human. That's a rough one though. So it's like a bad one.

And if you look at the fight before that, that's the robbery of Frankie size. So you can literally look at this guy and say he never lost. I mean, if you want to. I think all these moments of adversity just strengthened his resolve anyway, because the guy's a monster now. Henry Sohoudo fight was so crazy when he was carrying Henry Sohuto Kid with his tongue hanging out. I was like this is mad. It was kind of embarrassing Henry yeah, he wasn't just doing it to some guy who didn't belong in the cage with him

He's doing it to a two-division world champion Who's Olympic gold medalist in wrestling and he's carrying around like a pillow and he walks over to Mark Zuckerberg Shit while he's carrying around like a pillow Walks over to Mark Zuckerberg Shit while he's choking him He was having a great old time when he had him in that ten finger guillotine Gonna get him there with that like that's a nasty choke Yeah, I think he's gonna have his night. I think the craziest moment like that though was when Hamsa picked up the leech He starts fucking him up right in front of Dana that that dudes wild

Poor leech though like leech can't get I mean they just feed him to every other spot yeah who do you just fight leech Carlos protest oh and Carlos protest put them hands on Carlos that guy's in the locker room fucking everybody up he's dangerous that guy's that that's striking was beautiful yeah he's good he's easy man he's very very very good that guy's scary. Where the fuck did he come from? Yeah fighting nerds man, they got a great team But this guy he's just a fucking killer man Carlos just knows how to put it on you this need of the body man was so nasty Oh See the need of the body before that They didn't have that in that video, but he had him hurt before this but he's just fucking accurate dude. He's all limbs

Yeah There's some good fighters coming up man These kids that are coming up they come into the cage so much better than guys just five years ago I'm so much better getting so much help from the UFC prior. Right. You know, like, especially like if you have like the PI behind you, like a Mexico-er like sponsoring these guys. There's a PI there now.

Yeah, they're sponsoring these guys. Also, there's so many videos to watch now. Yeah. That's a big factor. Because like when you were coming up, you had VHS tapes. What the fuck are you going to watch? Payless time, we're talking wine and shit. shit. Really? Nobody got a chance to see anything you didn't really get unless you saw them in your gym you didn't get a chance to see like real

high-level stuff and now guys they have a standard in their head that's way higher than everybody's standard from 10-15 years ago. Yeah no doubt about that. These guys just come in so well-rounded. And plus they start so much younger. Oh yeah, that's a fact. And kids, you know, the UFC has boosted, you know, wrestling in high schools and junior leagues and things, so they're just more complete, like they're growing up now complete martial artists, you know. There's no secrets anymore.

I remember back in the day, we'd be like, it's a new move, don't show anybody! Yeah. Still, the calf kick's only a few years old. That's what's, Bisping said he move don't show anybody yeah the calf kicks only a few years old that's what's not bispin city wins whole career without kick kicked in the cap me too thank god that wasn't around I know right that's an Henderson used to throw it he did you still weird but he never had the kind of results of these guys are having it was it's different where did it come from like this is my time They've always done it

It just wasn't done that often because guys check it and never made if they check it and they turn out and you catch it You know on your foot. I think they do it a lot more in Muay Thai now though because I'm more time Yeah, I think everybody would make sense what's going on One a lot in glory see it now a lot guys throwing it a lot man. It's so effective You know it's weird like in karate combat like you can't throw it to the thigh like it has to be a calf kick That's ridiculous. Yeah, it's weird to me. I'm like what? That's really good. What do you mean? You can't throw it to the thought you can't it's illegal to kick above the knee Why karate combat that's ridiculous? That's silly. What's the matter with that?

That doesn't make the whole point of karate. Yeah, that literally makes no sense. Cause what about Kyokushin? What about ones where they kick the legs all the time? That's karate too. Not sure why. You know, take out some of the best karate from karate? Not sure why that's a rule, but that's a rule.

But you can ground and pound for like 10 seconds or something crazy? You can ground and pound until you stop. Oh. Yeah, you can ground and pound until you stop. And then they break it up. Leg kick. Right, but you can't kick to until you stop and then then break it up leg kick, right? But you can't kick to the side. That seems crazy. Yeah, that doesn't make sense

What's your feeling on that side kick to the knee like what Khalil did to Modesta's hate it. No, I don't hate I love You hate it. Yeah, I think it does nothing but damage a fighter like people say oh you can kneebar Well, you can tap to a kneebar You can't tap to that kick and if I kick lands you're done can't tap to a head kick either Yeah, I mean whatever you go to sleep you go to sleep That's different to me, but some head kicks are probably worse than getting knee kicked You know I mean Leon Edwards and tomorrow if you ask tomorrow Would you rather take a shot to the knee or that shot to the head? He might take a shot to the knee?

If you ask him, I would rather take a shot to the knee or that shot to the head. You might take a shot to the knee. Yeah, I mean, you gotta defend it. If you hit on time like Khalil did, I think I'd rather get kicked in my head. That one was horrible to watch, but like you gotta defend it. Yeah. It's not like you can't defend it. You gotta defend it. It's you remember when Darren Till started using it on everybody?

He was like one of the first guys to start using it on everybody. John Jones, of course. Yeah, John Jones. He's the guy with it. Yeah, he's so long. Yeah, that's a shitty one. It gets I mean you can't really you can't use that like there's no intention. No, you definitely can't. You can't do that in sparring. You'd be taking out your pull in his knees. I've had guys tell me that they were sparring with guys they didn't know and they did shit like that to them. I can't say knees like what the fuck are we now?

It's a real night. I'm making a street in a sparring match. The guy was telling me about the ATT They bring in some crazy Russians who were side kicking your knees I mean, I don't have it They was doing like spinning wheel kicks to the to the head with just hitting you with the heel and I'm like, yo What are you doing? That's crazy. Yeah, that's crazy That's so hard to that's so if you're in a high-level sparring match with a guy What's like you're getting emotional and then you throw a spinning kick. It's so hard to like slap him with the foot Well, I'm just like the side, you know use the you wear shim pads for a reason to protect and but then you're doing a spinning

Kick where there's no protection. Well, that's why gloves are nuts Right because you can knee somebody in the face, you can elbow in the face, you can shin them in the fucking skull, right? But your knuckles are covered. God forbid! It's kind of crazy! Yeah. It's kind of crazy. It's kind of crazy.

I never once sparred with the new, I mean they came later on, like the gloves that you could, they're not quite, they're not the boxing gloves, the puffy's. They're bigger MMA gloves. The MMA gloves that guys spar in. Oh, the practice MMA gloves, yeah. They're not the boxing gloves the I always use the 16 ounce gloves because I want to be able to fucking throw and I grapple in them But then like you get in I get under the butt you obviously can't make it a grip But then it's that much easier when I can make a grip so like I get in I lose it But it would help my endurance and when I'm able to make grips I'm like ah when they had the new gloves and people are fucking around with them I'm like, yeah, but now we gotta just, now we're playing.

I didn't have the luxury, I'm fucking five, six, I have to triple jab in and fight. Like I can't play by just, I have to throw. So I couldn't throw like realistically with those little gloves. So when I see sometimes there's some people sparring, I had one of my girls sparring and this girl Lauren and she brought in another girl and they were doing it with those gloves I go look next time

if you want me to watch this shit you're playing right now I can't I'm not gonna be telling you to fucking do certain things and throw certain things if you could be playing it's playing you're playing it's okay to play a crowd I like to grapple in them but we have to fight so I mean you know put on some bigger I mean we do the same thing do you think that there's a time in a fighter's career where they don't have to spar? Is there ever a time where they don't have to spar hard? If they clock in enough hours, like I guess like Max Holloway, whoever else, like possibly. But even Holloway, when he's getting ready for Gage, he decided to spar.

You have to, you have to simulate the fight as much as possible because you don't want to feel that for the first time in there. So we used to really spark. Asking is because I was watching Izzy's fight with Drikus. And the thing about that fight is that it looks like at the end Izzy's very tired. And he gets clocked. Like Drikus catches him with some of those winging punches, which he was getting away from in the earlier rounds. And he catches them rocks them

and then he hits them with a couple more right hands against the cage and then immediately gets him in a choke when they go to the ground and then is he taps and I Always wonder because that school thought of like the Marber in of its school thought when BJ was in his prime Was those guys were just doing wild plyometrics and cardio and that's it They just like you know how to fight we're gonna give you the most fucking insane gas tank You've ever had in your career and if you can get through this crazy camp of doing box jumps and plyometrics and those fucking All those things they were doing with their feet Systems wild wild shit and Nick curse on who I talked about it

He's trained under it now They have this philosophy that a fighter like a guy like you or guy like you you're you have so many fights You know how to fight you've been there You've done it Which you really need to do for this camp because you're getting ready for a fight is not get injured and have a fucking Insane gas tank the flip side of that most recently and it's not the same thing because the guy could be weathered a little bit Who had that philosophy with Tony Ferguson? God, yeah, I can put it now look dad

That's Tony Ferguson after Gagey, but Goggins put him through a fucking cardio sessions I think only first he's after Gage. He's a different human. Yeah, he's been compromised And then I like these are David Goggins but I don't I mean I don't think he should have been in the corner I mean you got him in the corner yelling from the stand I'm not shit on Goggins I like old shit, but he's in the corner going get up Tony It's like it's one of those things where it's like you know no shit agreed agreed look When it comes to willpower and when it comes to like discipline, there's no one like Goggins But that doesn't matter if you mount him

and strangle him to death. Doesn't matter, all that, I fucking never quit. You're gonna quit, bitch. I'm gonna make your body quit. I'm gonna make your body quit. I don't care what kind of will you have. I get behind you and put that in there. You're going to sleep.

You're gonna pee your pants. That's how it goes. You're a human being. You have neck muscles, you have veins that provide all that blood to your brain. I'm going to cut that off. You can't get all that he needs from a guy like that, but you can get something. You can get something. But Tony, at that time, was already on a long skid of multiple losses. The Chandler knockout, he gets front kicked

in the face, an epic KO loss. The Gach fight was horrific and then you got to go before that he blows his fucking knee out backstage He was the boogeyman. We were gonna see the boogeyman versus Khabib. It was the fight. Everybody was pumped Yeah, and then Al steps in on super short Rage and Al had a great fucking account of himself. It was a very good fight That was great. That was great. against Khabib in his prime. 24 hours. Khabib in his prime. Yeah, and didn't get finished.

For five rounds. Yeah. Bro, I always wonder, man, if Tony Ferguson just doesn't step on those wires, and we get to see that fight, my god. How, yeah. Because that was Tony Ferguson when he was the fucking boogie man,

when everybody was scared of him. He was beating the fuck out of everybody. Who was the guy that left them wires there? Hopefully they fired that guy cuz he wrote he ruined history. There's always gonna be Fall backstage to right before the fight Stepped on some like loose pipe pipe or something went up in the air banged his head got knocked out bleeding Yeah, everybody's gonna be guessing but like even when he was in his prime like he fought Kevin Lee Kevin Lee got him down mounted him, but then he triangle them. He did triangle them, but Kevin Lee mountain You know offense to Kevin Lee. It's not like a beam on top of you

So I mean is he ever surviving that you got to remember Kevin Lee maybe didn't Achieve his potential but Kevin Lee chokeout. Yes. Remember that Kevin Lee was a motherfucker He did have his mom. Yes. He had a bad potential. Yeah when he knocked out, uh, what's his face the wrestler? Oh Gregor that's right Kevin Lee was a fucking beast man He just was inconsistent and then had a bunch of knee injuries, like severe knee injuries. And that's the thing, like a fighter's window is only open for so long. Right.

So you gotta try to maximize that. Right. Do what you can when your window is open. Right. If you saw Fador fight Ryan Bader, you can't judge Fador on that. Yeah. And we tend to do that. We always do.

We judge, that's why I would say BJ, because we judge BJ by the end of his career. It was like Tony Ferguson I mean, I think Tony beat that beat BJ's was not a good record the great have but as far as how many losses in a Row. Yeah So these guys got to throw these guys names in fight past the all these young kids and see them in their glory days Cuz that's right should really watch them Yeah, but it's that's the thing about fighters It's like whatever that window is they say it's nine years at your very best from your contender to your champion Whatever you we did after fucking redlining I think it's about five really, you know, I think it's shorter than nine

I think it's about five years when you're just like in it like you in it. Let's get it right now Anderson Yeah, Anderson is prime. Yeah, It's like five years of just destruction. And then afterwards just like, oh man, it's not, you can't got it no more. Also injuries, you know with Anderson. Well first it was Weidman, Weidman's left hook. That was the start of it all. Bro, that was crazy. Crazy, real crazy.

Same one he landed in Uriah Hall, remember? Before Uriah Hall was like the next big thing when he was in the Ultimate Fighter, Chris had fought him in New Jersey. Ring of Combat, Lou Neglia. Bro, he had a long left hook. Wyman's got that extra foot to that hook. It was a long hook. Like an extended arm hook at the end sometimes.

That go-go gadget left hook. Yeah, it's a good hook, man, because the guys don't think it's going to be able to reach him, and then all of Yeah, it's a good hook man because the guys don't think it's gonna be able to reach him And then all sudden it's there pop. I'm interested to see him in our Eric Anders, it's gonna be a war. Yeah, cuz Eric's he's game gay Eric is game But remember we fought Khalil and didn't even flinch and clear was just blast in his legs Talk about being tough enough to take a beating Bro, I asked him about it. I was like, what was that? Like everyone of them hurt He just took it yeah

Good fights coming up kids some real good fights. Oh fuck. Yeah, I can't wait. I love it I love a Saturday when the fight I hate when there's Just so many fights on every weekend that when there's not one on I'm like, oh, you know what? I'm looking forward to more than any Holloway and to poria. Yeah The one for me when is that that's October. That's Abu Dhabi, right? Yeah, that's the one son That's what he's only six. That's the one for me because I see that fight. I go. I don't fucking know I don't I love a fight where I don't fucking know

I know a lot of people would have counted out Him on the Gagey fight. I thought Gagey was gonna beat him insane And now you're giving him a lot of time to prepare and get ready for this fight And then Homs on Whitaker is that gonna happen? This people is that gonna happen, you know if he's not sick This is a nice fucking card though. It's a great card. It is a good card. Jeff Neal and Alfredo Santos. I didn't know that was happening.

Armin Petrosian and Maga Medov. Ooh. Yeah, that's some good fights on that card. They bust out anybody that celebrates Ramadan on that card. Yeah. Get in there. Get in there. Go on, bro. anybody that's a great card on that card yeah that main event is that main event is so unpredictable like toporia everybody he hits goes night night I know everybody he hits he's fucking max is hard to hit very max got a chin on

Max to the chin and he's got a. That new sneaky spinning back kick while he's stepping away. It was working right? That might have been a game changer, man. It's a game changer. That landed at the end of that first round. Smash his nose. That could change the fight. Change the fight.

Change the fight. And it was a skill that he really didn't use a lot earlier in his career. Yeah, no. And he had it all of a sudden dialed in. It was crazy. And it was a hard one to do because he's moving away it's like a hop away spin to the face and talk about a hero fucking ending to that fuck you can't I don't think there's another fight that ended you wouldn't believe

that if it was in a movie right shut up right clearly ahead he fucking takes that chance of clearly ahead yeah with a guy, you know throws hammers Yeah, you know and he's been dropped in that fight already right he got dropped We ended him face planted. Oh, it's just that stuff of legends the fact that it's for the BMFL What a perfect right for the BMF real And it's crazy cuz like I'm sitting right behind you guys and I'm watching you guys is like natural reactions I get such a natural reaction and I know you guys take a lot of shit and they make memes about you guys But watching you do it in those moments is the best thing ever. You don't even know what's happening

Yeah, I think that was the first fight I ever stood up. I got out of my chair I couldn't take it. I literally couldn't take it. I couldn't take it. I Couldn't I can't be sitting down. I had to stand up Anic to and it doesn't stand up very often either. I don't think I couldn't I couldn't sit down I was like I can't believe I just saw that I can't believe that was yeah, and then we're Fucking wild man that was wild max be giving us some moments Fucking wild man that was wild max be giving us a moment All-time favorite myself and Dean Thomas were there not a lot of people there live it was I think it was in Abu Dhabi When you have a caterer and he's looking away

I still gave him the second fight with Volkanovsky him the second fight with Volkonovsky. So imagine if he wins and that he doesn't go through this skid, you know, and you see all the Calvin Kater fight was brutal. He changed Calvin Kater's career. He changed Calvin Kater's career in that fight. That was a bad beating. It was a bad beating. And it was kind of should have never talked shit to him. And this is the apex, right? No, this is Abu Dhabi oh that's right no but no audience right? that's why. look at that he's not even looking at him and avoiding all the punches that's the worst but is the other thing about Max too is that fucking gas tank

that gas tank is a weapon, it's a weapon man the volume in the gas tank that yeah, he doesn't stop. He doesn't stop it. It's a weapon man the volume in the gas tank It's a weapon. It's well that power is legit, too Max seems to be even more powerful at 55 than he is at 45 I thought so but my question is does he maintain that when he gets down to 45 like how hard's that cut? Time to kind of time it out right So I think it's going to help him. I hope so. I would not want to see him drained at all if he's fighting Ilya. Because Ilya will expose you.

Has he yet? Bro, his hands. I know. You see the video of him hitting in mitts? I saw his, even his brother hit like that. I watched his brother hit mitts and I was like, God damn. Bro, he hits mitts like a world champion boxer Yeah

I was gonna say we haven't seen the other guy tested Ilya, but then again we did He got head kicked and he came back like a fucking beast He did and stopped him in the next round. Yeah, yeah, but Ilya's hands are some of the most impressive hands in the sport No fat in his technique. No wasted movements. Well then we'll see who's the best boxer. I was getting ready to say you're going to find out. This is good, Jamie, but there's a video that's like recently on his Instagram that's fucking

insane because he's going full clip trying to show off and you get to really like he's working here. It's all good. But see if you can find the clip that's on his Instagram page. His Instagram has an insane video of him just cracking myths. We played it on the podcast the other day. Remember? I just didn't know. I mean. Yeah, that's it right there. Give me some volume so you can hear this shit.

Bro. Yeah, that's crispy. Clean. Everything. No wasted motion. Bro, yeah, that's crispy clean Everything no wasted motion. Here's the thing with Max's Max's movement. Oh, yeah max ain't gonna be there for that Nope. Yeah, man. Yeah tall as fuck. Yeah Yeah, and if max can catch him and hurt him the way Jai Herbert did Mm-hmm max max something sneaky and you know max is prepping right? Yeah watching that guy like a hawk Does Volkanosky have anything else on the radar? No. I think they're waiting to see what happens. Poor Volk. I mean I personally like to see him rest a little bit anyway.

I would 100% want to see him rest a lot. I think after those two, he should have never taken a 10 days notice fight with Islam. never never never never never don't do it I don't care how much it's tempting and then immediately three months later He fights for you after he gets killed with a head kick. That seems crazy Shit, you may not wish I mean I thought as soon as I saw that fight. I was like Are you kidding me man? I know no way He was probably you know before that he probably felt like I you know, I felt it before. I felt it. I've seen what's coming.

You know, he took a risk. Oh, look, I don't begrudge him for taking that shot. I think the second fight was even the bigger mistake because you had just been flatlined and now you got to cut back down and go back out there on such short notice. Right, but no other sport would want a champion to go in there and fight for a title with 10 days notice. They would never ask you to go in there and fight for a title with 10 days notice they would never do that anywhere else there's never that would never happen in boxing it's never gonna happen in a million years in boxing

for sure never but you know they take advantage of MMA guys because they know we crazy right that's part of it you have all the fighters are still under your control under contract so it's a bit of a problem That's a bit of a problem. And but also Volkanovsky could have he he had the choice Savage he's gonna do it. He's a savage. We crazy. Yeah in hindsight was a bad idea But in his mind he's thinking this is an opportunity for me to become a legend Yeah, of course, right sights always 2020 trying to build his legacy. Of. And look, that's what Aspen Hall did and he won the title. Right, exactly. So had that been different for Aspen Hall,

we'd have been like, oh, he shouldn't have took that fight. Exactly. He's fighting Pavlov, that guy's an animal. Yeah. How's he fighting Pavlov with fucking, what did he have, like how many days notice did he have? It was like seven days.

Seven days notice. And a fucked up rib, couldn't wrestle. Yeah. Yeah. It's a seven days. Seven days notice and a fucked up rib. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah It's a wild sport. You know, it's like sometimes guys step in on short notice and it's exciting and they win You know, so it's like The key is like never get out of shape. Yeah, and I think with Volkonoski He was drinking a lot and that was probably more so You saw physically how he looked for the second

Yeah, and he always looks like a tank. It was dad bod instead of him, you know looking right more so you saw physically how he looked for the second look different yeah he always looks like a tank it was dad bod instead of him you know looking right I would never take it back in the day too I I need my camp I'm not gonna I would never because you peek at the right you should be peeking at the right time 100 you can say when people like well you should always be fight ready but yeah but that's that's easy I said they've done you could always be in shape but that's not fight shape and you don't know that until you're fucking back into sparring I think if you're always about four weeks out like that's probably

Right and you get 10 days notice And if you maintain a respectable level of cardio, yep, but what if you're a valk and you're drinking Not a good guy, then you gotta lose all that fucking weight. Yeah, I can't I used to be a fatty between shit, too When you're staying away from the pizza and pasta for two months like ah Every fighter says that they develop an eating disorder. How about Patty? Yeah, that's Patty's the baddie That's a real eating disorder. Oh, those cheeks on him. He gets huge. He goes hard He gained 40 pounds in a week. God damn That's gonna be happen when he was retired eventually

Butterbean yeah He already be right between fights. It's better being with that crazy hair He does it proudly to he don't give a fuck brother Bobby green fight was a big deal He does it proudly too. He don't give a fuck about that Bobby green fight was a big deal No, that was that was about his yeah, that was a big deal I didn't the way he did that was beautiful man really my range Yeah, and I didn't expect Bobby to shoot but the second he did a patty's got nice Jiu-Jitsu Yeah, very sharp off his back and the other thing was like you notice how big he looked cuz Bobby's big He's Bobby's not a small 55 or and I was like damn like he might underestimate

How big Patty is at 55 he's fucking pretty big and those kicks were good. Yeah, I'm saying he's not he's not a bad fighter But Bobby's a very good stand-up fighter sure Bobby get his legs lit up that quick. That was a big deal I expected to see him get tested in it. He didn't one test But do you think he's ready for the top guys now? Would you put him in there with an Armand Sarukian? You know what I'm saying? No, I put him in there with the winner of Moikano and Saint Denis.

Oh, that's a good fight. Yeah. Winner Moikano and Saint Denis. Funny Moikano, baby. Yeah, put him in there with one of them guys. I would love to see him fight Moikano. Moikano's been going more with his jiu-jitsu lately. Yeah. Moikano's got really good jiu-jitsu. I saw him saying I saw him ball up chase Hooper in a grappling tournament

Yeah, ooh boy, I'm up and how good is that fucking post fight interview? He's funny like this guy's a character Well, he figured it out man, you know some some guys figure it out like Colby had to figure it out He did it his way everybody figures it out. You figure out you gotta figure it out a bit what? Once you get into fam, yeah the second he spoke about Leon Edwards dead father it shows you that he's a he's a fucking piece of shit Kobe you're a fucking piece of shit for none of that the I mean you don't talk

about poor yeas wife like come on man well that's why it's like I'm fine and you want to fight now yeah that's that's why it's so interesting that a guy like prayer gets as high as he gets with none of that zero well I mean, it's proof that you don't need it. You don't you don't you don't need to cross that line You just need to fuck people up. You don't need to speak English Social media presence there like he shows a sense of humor and you know what I mean on social media So I think that endears people to him as well, bro And that thing he did when he kicked the soccer ball and then hit it with an arrow

Yeah, where would he do he kicked a soccer ball and then hit it with an arrow Yeah, that was hard that is to do. Yeah, what would he do? He kicked a soccer ball and then shot it with an arrow so he kicks it. Oh, he really Just fucking oh, no. No, he's really good man. He's really good at that guys right out of the Amazon And but he does that archery. I don't even do that kind of archery He I do archery with like releases and fucking everything's like this. He nails it and that's before he beat Adesanya. Listen, give me some volume on this. Because when he screams, imagine being the neighbor and hearing this. Here, he hits it.

Imagine being the neighbor. Pauline 911 right away. Get this guy out of here. I'm pulling 911 right away. Yeah. Get this guy out of here. Somebody go, blah, back there with a bow and arrow. And then you watch him on pay-per-view, like, oh, Jesus Christ, you can't even complain. You can't even say, hey, man, I'm trying to take a nap.

That's pretty sick. Yeah, some guys don't need it. They don't need that extra fucking whatever it is. Well, he's got the swag with him is just the stoic warrior coming out and shooting an arrow at you and screaming Well, I mean at the end of the day like people are attracted to violence Yeah, and at the end like even Robbie Loller like people love Robbie and he never said he hated doing their Violence attracted people talking about wars him and both Rory McDonald

Him and Carlos Conde Him and Melvin Manhoef. Oh yeah. That was a one way ass whipping until he uncorked. I didn't want a fucking bomb. That was crazy. He was kicking Robbie's legs so bad it was lifting his leg up in the air. He's probably having flashbacks of Pete Spratt. Oh yeah that's right. Remember that? People forgot about Pete Spratt she was a good striker very good striker what a crazy time this sport has gone through and all these years like this fight was so horrible to watch man these guys were so busted up I like look at Rory's nose it's gone it's just the one where Robin's got a face oh and then it just like he just can't take it anymore.

Head split open, his lips split open. Yeah, his lips hanging off. Yeah, this is easy to eat. Easily the best fight of all time. Let's play about Robbie. Certainly in the conversation. Robbie, he left nice. He knocked out, I forgot who he finished.

Nico Price. Nico Price. Yeah, Nico Price. First round. And then he went off to the sunset. And he knocked him out without taking a shot. Yeah, it was great. And that's so so easy to say I want one more after that Wait right off, but he's gonna be a great coach too, and I'm sure he is

But he's also a guy like you want that guy to be proud of you. Yeah. Yeah, it's Robbie law Yeah, for sure. There's something to that of you getting coached by a guy like that. Look at his face It's bad stay in school kids You better really know what you want if you're gonna do this for a living. Yeah, dude And you got to look across and see that shit, right? Yeah, guys got a fucking joker smile on him He's ready to go to war for the fucking final round What a sick fight. Yeah shit. We've seen some wild fights boys. We're gonna see some wild ones this weekend Yeah, I'm excited. I don't know what's gonna happen in the main event I know you're partial to marab, but I just don't know what's gonna happen. I'm very interested very interested

He gets past that first round. He's got to keep them. He's a one-clinch. Yeah, it's gonna be very saying he needs one shot I'm saying marab needs one clench not to end the fighting is enough damage I feel like sugar is a better striker than Marlin and Marlin had marab in trouble And that's what gives me paws on the feet like you can only take so many of those Sniper shots from sugar the other thing Kenny land them and camera Rob keep keep moving and keep threatening and pressure You know The argument is there's one guy is gonna win by taking them down and smashing them The other guy's gonna win by knocking them out on the feet and we don't know what's gonna play out.

It's gonna be interesting. It's gonna be fucking phenomenal. The thing that I think that Sean does well, like he got Aljo with it is, I mean you know Marab's gonna be pressuring because that's how he's gonna, he has to beat him. Sean took out Aljo backing up, you know what I mean? So a lot of guys can't fight moving backwards. Sean took out Aljo backing up. Yeah. You know what I mean? So a lot of guys can't fight moving backwards. He does have the ability to fight moving backwards.

He's also a great game plan. Gotta put him on that fence. Him and Tim Welch have a great relationship. They study shit. They find holes. Yeah. You know, they knew that Aljo has this tendency to get like a little over-anxious and charge in.

He definitely would lunge with his strikes. He was ready for that. I'm just interested to see if he can capitalize because if he can't, if Marab can get a hold of him, Marab is just a different kind of Wolverine on top of you. I think he needs one round, mushing him in the fence, just like wear him out, like kind of like GSP did with BJ. You know, wear him out a little bit, slow him down a little bit, and then you can put the pace on him. It's gonna be very exciting. Some guys are afraid of extending too much energy on a take down.

And he's not going to and that same energy you felt in the first, you're going to feel in the fifth. Yeah, yeah. So that's what we're dealing with. Look, I'm rooting for Marab. I like him. I think he's great. Having a gas tank is such a weapon.

It's another weapon in the arsenal. It really is. It might be the most important because what's the difference what you know if you can't get out there and apply it. When a gas tank is such a weapon, it's another weapon in the arsenal. It really is. Might be the most important because what's the difference what you know if you can't get out there and apply it. And Marab is one of them nutty dudes that spars up until the day of the fight, right? I see that guy clocking around. That was just ridiculous.

I'm like, but he already did five rounds. Why is he going back? It's insane what he does. It's insane what he does. It's not normal and and And again, I think that uh, if he doesn't get caught with that perfect shot He's a hard guy to put away and he's not gonna stop. He's a little terminator and he also knows this is his big moment Yeah, that's also the pressure is not gonna he's not I've already When he was gonna fight the PDA on PDA on foot, he had that Pidion fight before that fight got us on the table, like when they were talking about it,

he told me, Marabas, he didn't, until he accepted it, like he was like, there's so much pressure in this fight. He goes, you know, the history between Georgia and Russia, he goes, this is not just a fight for me. If I lose this, he was was so the pressure was so much Country that's that's one of my proudest thing when he took that fight and the way he handled it He was different in that fight even the lead-up. He's calling him a bitch He's he's dealing with the Russian bully and so when he won that he that was like that was like the title fight

Dominant performance. Oh my goodness. That was a wake up call for everybody in division. Like he can do that to yawn. Oh my God. Yawn's a strong motherfucker, man. And Rob was able to stand with guys like yawn and things. So he's definitely

not, he's not definitely not incapable there. No, he can fuck you up on the feet too. And that's part of the problem with the guy who's trying to take you down all the time. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

And then these bombs are going your way get off of you But Sean is such a fucking sniper and he's so agile his spouse That's why this is movement is is the switching stances fighting just as good off the left is off the right You can switch stances in the middle of a combination choose angles It's just Kenny keep that fucking animal off of them, and they're both extremely Confident yeah, that's that's that's I like when is yeah I love that shit yeah it's exciting it's it's a real clash of styles so many fucking good fights these days man what a good time to be a fan right fuck yeah we're spoiled we're so spoiled the most I mean in boxing is making a little comeback, too

I think you know once Gervonta and Ryan Garcia got it on now It seems like they're starting to make some more fights. Well the Saudis sound yeah Bring in the money. What do you think of them? They're talking? I mean are they really doing Canelo for 20 bucks or something you saw what they were saying on the pay-per-view Yeah, the $20. I don't don't quote me but the I don't think so the prince who runs that Riyadh stuff said He's gonna make all pay-per-views he did say that hours because he believes that you know, it would make it more Expose it to more people grow to audience. We'd still make money and everybody will be able to I wonder if how many more people would Buy it if it's 20 rather than 70 they might make their

Money, that's I mean, it's what he said he was talking about if he said he's ready for free Yeah, he said he said it was that cheap that people would stop pirating that do it. They might yeah, 70 bucks is a lot It's like isn't 79 It was 20 bucks I wonder I wonder how much I mean it'd be an interesting thing to try. Yeah, I Didn't know they were gonna start with Canela. Although they were starting with better beef, but They should know these two I know I mean they're both six six boxers isn't better be of 20 know what 20 knockouts Yeah, yeah, but he's 39. I don't even watch the fucking box I can't watch it after the MMA. I just watched the fights. It's hard for me. I picked my spots

Yeah, I just see Ben Whitaker Did it with who Ben Whitaker? No Ben Whitaker. You know Ben Whitaker. Yeah, that dude who's got that crazy drunken style. Yes Big tall light heavyweight. He's got this wild style. 90 bucks for a Canelo. So much for your $20 thing. Next time. Next time, 20 bucks. Next time, 90.

That was 20. Joshua versus Du Bois. Oh, that's a good deal. So you pay for the pay-per-view and then other fights are 20 bucks. That's a good deal. Yeah, I think so. Alright, gentlemen, this was a lot of fun. other fights are 20 bucks. That's a good deal. Yeah, I think so Alright gentlemen, this is a lot of fun. Oh Protect your neck. That's our new name. Yeah, that's it. That's it

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