The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #164 with Israel Adesanya

Episode Date: October 3, 2024

Joe sits down with Israel Adesanya, a mixed martial artist competing in the Middleweight division of the UFC. He is the subject of the documentary "Stylebender," available now.  www.ahifilms.nz/films/stylebender www.ufc.com/athlete/israel-adesanya Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The Joe Rogan Experience. Trained by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. What's up? What's up? What's up? Good to see you my friend. What is the chain? What does that stand for? And Gabe, this is my fight wear brand. Ash Belcastro started this. He was one of the, I'll say this, he was one of the only guys who fuck with me before I really like blew up.

So when I was fighting in China and I lost to Alex, they stopped giving me fights. And I had, I think at the time, I was the highest paid foreign fighter in China at the time. Probably not now anymore, but then they stopped giving me fights. And I was like, look, I have seven more fights on my contract Can I at least just get three? I just need three because money was running out

you know the money I had saved up and Then yeah, I was down to my last one day like five hundred dollars And Eugene was holding pads for me. You could see something was up, and I just said, bro I'm about to be broke this and that right right right and right. It's it don't right Just leave it with me. I get home. I Was on the toilet and he just goes check your bank account. I'm sitting there just like Start crying and I call him. He's like, I don't think me think ash who started engaged and I call ash I'm taking this shit and I'm just like, thank you Like honestly just in tears cuz you know, I mean, I've been there, like, nothing

and had everything and nothing again. So for me, yeah, he's always been a guy that's been in my corner. And me and Alex Volkonoski, now we, you know, we've helped raise the brand so we own part of the company. So yeah, I like to rep the set. Oh, that's cool. Nice. Nice.

I think we engage also was last final three when they had the whole Reebok fiasco. It was a venom engage and someone else I can't remember who else so we didn't get the the gig but it would have been nice though Oh the UFC gig. Yeah engaged fight kids for the fighters But now it's venom fight kids. Yeah, the whole fight kid thing is weird I really preferred it when fighters could have sponsors condom depth on the back of your shorts. I don't like that. I mean they should probably have some discretion. I did like it though and I do like the fact now like the last fight I had Hunter hit me up way before any gold gloves or anything says Izzy we're gonna do this for certain fighters what design would you like on your

shorts and I was like bet and I hit up Curtis who works with engage does a lot of the designs and I told him what I wanted and then he just did some custom stuff and I sent a few to Hunter and then boom I got my shorts the lightning and I quite like that I like expression that's one thing I do miss about boxing or kickboxing is the expression on the Monk Kong bands the shorts like Jonathan Haggerty, like he has cool shorts with golden like bows on the side. I like that, it's cool.

I do too. I don't like everybody has to wear the same shit. I think maybe the UFC at the time, they wanted to be taken seriously in a sense, so we had to like professional sports, but nah, I think we're all different Independent contractors and we have different styles. So I'm glad now they've brought out For certain fighters like O'Malley and his pink shorts Bryce Mitchell's camo shorts. Yeah, let us express ourselves

So I like that, but I wish fighters had the ability to advertise a big time Yeah, that's that's big sponsors on your shorts is a lot of money. Like Shaw was making more money from the sponsors than he was from his fight perks. Yeah, I agree. And there's a way to bring it back I'm sure, but even now because they've got some, you get some kickbacks, but it's better if you can just plaster Condom Depot and get a hundred grand on the back of your shorts. How much does Condom Depot pay people? I don't even know, but I used to think it was funny. It was funny. And the fact was on the back of your shorts. How much does Condom Depot pay people? I don't even know, but I used to think it was funny. And the fact was on the back of the shorts, I'm like, that's placement, advertising.

I just feel like, you know, if they didn't like some because it didn't represent the sport, like Condom Depot, like then just fucking, you know, have a list of ones that you agree to. That's actually a good idea, like say, approve sponsors. Okay, these guys, or maybe they go through a check first right you want to maybe advertise on the fighter shorts You have to go through this rigorous check. What's your company? You know what do you guys sell right right right right and then yeah plastered on the shorts get some money

I do like it when boxers were cool shorts. Yeah, they wear whatever the fuck they want like I love it when Melvin Manhoff It where those? Yeah, yeah, he was a badass. I like tassels though. That's me when my shorts They wear whatever the fuck they want like I love the one Melvin Manhoff would wear those Yeah, yeah, he was a badass. I like tassels though. That's me with my shorts I always like tassels because we kick yeah, it's shimmer the way they look and it just yeah makes for cool picks Yeah, there's a that mean that's just one of the things about the UFC Just they want everything to be uniform. Yeah organized But again like now at the for certain fighters They're changing it which is good, but hopefully that trickles down I don't feel like anybody should be wearing shorts in grappling

I feel like the temptation for yeah tights temptation for grabbing is just too much. Yeah, and it does happen Yeah, I've seen it. It's happened to me even with what's his name Brunson in the Brunson He grabbed my tights and I was like, yo, that's two times you've done it now. So it is tempting, but I think tights would be the best way to fight, but again, some guys have cool shorts. And if that's their style, that's their style. Because some people, I guess maybe they're body type. Maybe they got no ass.

They don't want to be bad. I got something back there, but I don't know, a guy like, I wouldn't drop no names But like you know wearing tights you look like a fucking right stick or something. Yeah. Yeah, you look a little flat Yeah, yeah, that's what it is though. Yeah, it is what it is. I mean there's a lot of room for expression Mm-hmm, it's it's interesting to watch like all the different styles that people promote themselves as well You know like there's so many different ways now. And then there's guys like Alex who, you know, he doesn't even speak English and he's risen to the top

just based on performance. But even the fact that he doesn't speak English, that's also his superpower, just a shaman. Right. Yeah. What do you think about that fight this weekend? I can't wait. I just did the breakdown for it.

We're about to drop it on YouTube now. I am picking in this fight Alex Cuz I just think the momentum behind him right now is so big. He's just got momentum Look, I was the most active champion in UFC history. I think Lex next to Alex Volkonovsky as well He was right up there with me or if not more than me I think Alex now is on his way to being the most active champ in UFC history because he's already saved this year I think two or three

cards alone he's like stepped in be like yeah Sharma just does it jumps in. And he fights fucked up he fights injured apparently his knee was really fucked up in the first Yuri Prochaska fight. Oh wow. You know when he stopped Yuri and then he said he did like a forward roll off the Yuri? He said he did that because he didn't trust standing on his right knee. Oh wow, momentum. Yeah, his knee was fucked up. So he didn't, like it was fucked up in training camp.

And so when he stepped off of him, he just decided to roll forward instead of putting weight on his right knee. That's smart. That's some parkour shit. But again, that's what you have to do. Look, when you get in the UFC, this is what I did as well. He did it the right way. Fight as much as possible.

Fight as much as possible so you can be in people's faces so they can see. That guy just fought. That guy just fought. Oh, I just saw him fight last month. And you fight as much as you can. You get that momentum behind you. And then you become champion. You're that guy. And then again, you just, you get that momentum behind you, and then you become champion, you're that guy, and then again you just, that momentum constantly, in people's faces,

you're getting posted here, here, and that's how you build a stock up. So I've done that, and he's doing it the right way as well, and I think if he keeps going, I hope he retires, never getting defeated by anyone ever again. Just you. And the way you did it too, oh my god. That was one of the greatest celebrations of all time. It just, look, it's the story behind it. No matter what. It's just the history. Because David even mentioned to me, my brother said, like, you know you're the only one that can actually stand with that guy. Like no one's lasted more than two rounds or even a round with him.

And I thought about it during the breakdown, like, yeah're right and it's cuz I knew him I've fought that guy so many times and regardless of what happened I lost three times and I finally won one it was just the fact that I knew I could beat him every time I fought him. I was just like I was I was beating him. I thought you won the first one I felt so too, but then that's you know the Chinese Boxing fight they gave it to him and then the second fight in Brazil under the same company that he gets me But again, I was besting him had him on skates. He was fucking and then he brought his spirit You know what Jerry said about the whole juju thing like that. That's real. That's real Yeah, the last time I fought him in Miami. Look, he beats me. That's why I hate when people say, oh, is he scared?

He's scared. It's like, bro, I'm scared of shit. The guy beat me in the biggest arena on the planet, Madison Square Garden. Same way as the last time he beat me in Brazil in his hometown. I was beating his ass, had him hurt in the end of the first round, all that shit took him down. And then he gets me in the last round. It's his spirit, his whatever, like ancestors or his people that are praying for him because I got prayer worries as well My mom and dad be fasting and they have people like in the spirit

I'm praying for me, but like the way he carries himself something about him. Just he knows how to recover well So I just knew I could get him I could get him and then after that he knocks me on the biggest arena in the world, and I'm just like, let's do that shit again, Dana. Because I just knew, I was like, I can get him. And then that camp, I was so, I went to a different place. And that was the one I kind of mentioned, I microdosed a little bit, or macrodosed a lot. And like, I always say this,

the shower is the most interesting place on the planet I feel because you have the element of water running over your body stripped naked in your bare essentials You kind of have this if it's a white shower yet like a void white space. I can create a lot in there I can make a lot of things happen and Yeah, one time after one of my showers I just wrote this thing on my mirror because I just had this premonition, like this is where I get it done. Like there's no way you could beat me one time,

you could beat me two times, you might beat me three times. But I was like, nah, this guy's not gonna beat me this time. And I just knew I had to get this done. And the way it happened as well, because first round I think I won, and second round I was winning, but then that fucking leg kick, bro.

You know what it is is you look at his foot You look at this bit of his foot Mm-hmm. It's like a hammer You know like a like the like the back of a hammer hammer like a ball pit It is cuz that's what he kicks you with as well. So he doesn't have to Excuse me. He doesn't have to turn the hip over right and then when he hits you with that, even because he's bone density, long legs, and he hits you with that, you just feel it like, ooh, that's bad. And it's a different feeling.

Because I've been kicked by kickboxes all my life, on the thigh, on the calf as well. But when he hits you with that bit, it's just the surface area is so small, but it travels and transfers through your whole calf. And you're like, ooh, I can't put weight on this. It's so interesting, too, how he keeps his body completely square. And he doesn't even really turn the hips.

Yeah. And so it's so sneaky. He doesn't have to, because he's got so much bone density, so much whip from that little And yeah, it's dangerous. And I think that's going to be a problem this weekend for Khalil. But I don't know why Chael says he he did you hear about what Chael said? Yeah Chael said he thinks Khalil's gonna knock him out. That's possible but I just don't think he's it's possible but I don't think he's

gonna get it done cuz all it takes is one from either side but I just think Pereira right now has just got that momentum behind him and the frame cuz he's gonna just avoid the shots Khal Pereira right now has just got that momentum behind him and the frame Because he's gonna just avoid the shots Kalil's throwing because he just got the long frame You know get out right out the way and I don't think Kalil has the reach to mess with him like that so you might have to get inside but Yeah, we'll see this is why paper can't fight paper. They have to get in there fight. Yeah find out It's very interesting because Kalil so fast and Khalil's had experience with high level kickboxes when he knocked out Go Kansaki. That was a big one. Yeah. That was a big one and that was

like early on where everybody's like oh shit Go Kansaki is finally in the UFC and then boom Khalil just takes him out. Yeah. Khalil's fast. He hits fucking hard and he throws like that the thing that he did with Lionheart he throws that off-speed shit sometimes. He'll give you a little of this, and then he jolts in on you. That off-speed uppercut was nasty. It's the looks. It's like I'm here. I'm almost Prince Nassim-esque, but different. Just like looking, looking, bang.

But again, he's just violent. When he smells blood, he just goes in. Like I said, he beats you like you owe him money or something. He's on you. He's on you. Yeah, very violent. But again, I think Khalil, for him to win this fight, he just has to believe in himself. That sounds real cheesy, but believe in himself. Also, he's a southpaw. I didn't think about that. I actually forgot about that till David mentioned it before, but he's a southpaw. But I'm sure Alex and his team know how to deal with it. But I understand how Alex deals with southpaws as well because I

Can fight him both ways and I know what he when you give him that front leg and he knows it can get it He gets more confident, but if you're a southpaw, he finds other ways to keep you at bay till he can get that leg. Mm-hmm It's gonna be interesting to see like right away how Khalil deals with the distance and how Alex deals with the speed Because the thing is like Alex can be hit you know and Bruno Silva tagged him a few times you took him out I think the 85 thing was the I think the drain for him to make 85 was insanity I think it was insane. He's so big. He's still he's he still can yeah Look it only works until you get knocked out and it's like, I bet, and let's go to 205.

And I said, look, all these 185ers should thank me, man. Honestly, I tell them thank me because a lot of the top guys didn't have to fight him. He fought, okay, who did he fight? Strickland. Strickland, that was one of the only top guys he fought, beat him and then I think he got a shot at me next pretty much.

But yeah, fucking Rob, Drakus, all them, because it's not about just fighting him. Getting ready to fight him is a different thing, but I had to do it fucking four times so I understand. I have a different history with it. What's different about getting ready to fight him? For me, getting ready to fight him, you just know you're going to be in for a war. You know it's not going to be an easy fight. Same for him.

He knows when he has to fight me, and it's like, fuck, It's not an easy fight because he knows what I can do to him. But for me as well I was just like fuck. Okay, let's go again. And again, it's not like cuz I feel that way with certain people But with him it's just a different feeling I guess cuz he beat me That's another thing cuz it I was like man. I got a fucking face this demon again All right, bet let's face my demons and I get myself up to fight him, but it's it's just getting ready to fight him It's just the the hurdle. I think maybe just because of the history That's why for me I felt that way because of the history because to fight someone who's beating you multiple times It's like and you know, you can beat them in your heart

You just know but again, that's the beauty of the story Right you had come so close a couple of times every time and then even in the first fight in the UFC So close at the end of that first round like you had him if there was 30 seconds left in the fight in the round Yeah, 10 seconds left. But again, that's the beauty of the story cuz then he waited till the fifth round or go to the fifth front he's just like Did his fucking juju whatever thing and then fucking he just had this energy and he came at me and then my leg was compromised from the leg kick because my the perineal nerve or whatever I couldn't do anything. So yeah, but look I love that story for myself and I'm happy and people still go

Oh, we need a third one. I'm like look I do it again. I fucking knock him out. Well, oh no, it's three two We've got a best out of seven. Right? I'm not fighting for anyone else. I only have so much left in this game I'm not gonna spend this game fighting one guy exactly over and over and over again I got I don't know how long left, but I just know I'm definitely on the other side of my career So I want to get these fights out the way and now I'm not champ anymore in the UFC So I just I'm in this situation where? What do I do? I? Know I want to fight though because I took 11 months off and I let my body heal and all that,

and I felt great. So now I want to get back to being active. Not as active as I was in the beginning maybe, but I want to be active. And I still feel great from the last camp. Did some testing about three weeks ago, find out where we were at. I was about where I was before this last fight,

four weeks out. So I was like, okay, cool. We're still good. Let's build off that. So yeah, I wanna fight again. How much of an effect did taking 11 months off have? I think it was more good than bad. I know some people say ring rust or this and that,

and I'm like, nah, I felt good in there. I felt good in there. And it was only when I watched the fight back, I saw a couple of mistakes I made, even on the feet feet where I was like, oh, don't do that again. Just with my feet work, my exits, even David said you had sloppy exits. I was like, yeah, my bad. But yeah, that and then the moment at the end when I slipped and I just the lapse in judgment when I was just letting him know it was me tripping.

Those kind of moments, maybe if I was as active it wouldn't happen but who knows we'll never know but I am happy with how I performed I was happy with the shape I came in I came in really good shape and what's his name Bill this guy he did the numbers for me he said this is the most active I've been in any fight by far in my UFC career. He crunched the numbers up and said my Strike per minute rate or whatever all you nerds figure it out. You can do your own. But yeah, he built smart He's this guy who helps him out me now with my strength He yeah did the numbers and said this is the most active you were so we can do some things different

Put a little bit more gas in the tank things like that and then just stay active like that It was good and I had fun in there. I had fun just Exchanging yeah, I wanted to ask you about that like the gas in the tank thing This is a there's a philosophy that marv marinovich and nick curse on some of these guys have BJ pants coaches So what they wanted BJ to do and BJ was in his prime, essentially the camp was entirely based around strength and conditioning. So it was all conditioning to give you this insane gas tank. Their philosophy is you know how to fight.

You've been fighting your whole life. You're not going to get better at fighting in six weeks. But what you can get is insane cardio if you only concentrate on that, and they don't, their thought process is, that is the most important thing. That is the thing that fails you the most in fights. That's the thing that keeps you from hitting the gas, keeps you from doing the things you wanna do, keeps you from being able to scramble out of positions.

But if you can, instead of all this fight-specific training, like put that aside aside and just give yourself the most fucking insane gas tank humanly possible and then fight. And then the margins, the things, the times when you're going to need it. Like your skill level is already elite world championship skill level.

It's not gonna deteriorate because your cardio gets better in six to eight weeks. But what you can do is give yourself this insane base of cardio So in those moments when you need to hit the gas you can yeah And that's what they did for BJ when BJ was at his best. Yeah, I think the best I saw BJ from watching him So she live he was training with them UFC 107. I think Diego Sanchez. He looked like yes Exactly unbelievable gas tank and insane confidence to keep it going.

Even in shape, like it was fucking abs, all of that. I agree, definitely. You can always sharpen the tools, keep it sharp, but again, for when you're in a camp, it's just about getting fit. And yeah, there's some things we can tweak so that way we can keep that output, because when you get fatigued is when you lose your your lapse in judgment You could your reflexes as well things like that just start to like go down Were you feeling fatigued in the last round with trickers?

I didn't I don't think so there was one point in the third round when me and him we really put it on and we kind of had this like low-key Agreement like okay, you're fucked. I'm fucked. Let's agreement like okay you're fucked I'm fucked let's chill for a little bit and then I think around four I came out like cool bam bam bam and I did that sprawl on them but again he's so stubborn because I sprawled on him like I literally he's short I sprawled and my hips hit the back of his head into the mat might have rocked him I don't know and then what's his name Mark Gorda is like get up and what's his name, Mark Goddard's like,

get up, and he's on one knee. And then when he, he was like, get up. And he finally decided to get up slowly, and I tried to attack him, he just threw. But not to try and hit me, he just threw just to stop my momentum, you know, stop me from coming at him. And yeah, he's a guy that, just strong will, strong will.

Like, yeah, I can respect that. Physically strong too. Yeah, not as strong as I thought it would be, probably because I felt strong as well. Like I packed on some muscle for that fight. Preparing for those kind of grueling exchanges? Yeah, but even just for me myself, I just wanted to feel strong.

So me and my boy AB, we put on some muscle for that fight and then having Matt actually making good food for me for the first time ever Because I got this far off just whatever I wanted to eat, you know, ura eats Yeah, we were talking about that when we went to Terry Black's bar with you today. Yeah, the worst thing to eat right before a podcast I got the coffee now. I'm like, yeah, let's go But honestly for me Having those kind of because I'm not 23 anymore 24 right my body doesn't metabolize Food and you know the way used to so I have to I have to think about it like Israel be smart

Understand your body's getting older. No, I don't feel old though. That's the thing When I was young I thought 34 I'm done with this game. Then I'm like, I'm old. But that was when I was 24. But now that I'm here, I'm like, I can still squeeze a lot out of this. Can still squeeze a lot out of this. So we are, and the whole thing.

Do you ever use a hyperbaric chamber? Nah, not yet. We don't, I don't know if we have that in Auckland. Probably do. Dude, I did a whole series series when I first moved to Austin, I did the whole series because there's this protocol. I think it was an Israeli study that they did where they showed that it lengthens telomeres.

You do like 60 sessions over 90 days and you know when they measure your biological age by the length of your telomeres, it puts 20 years on you. It like, it decreases your age of your telomeres it puts 20 years on you like it Decreases your age of your telomeres. It's telling me what the DNA strand or something. It's it. Well, it's yeah What I don't want to fuck this up. So what exactly are telomeres? Layman terms the way you measure someone's biological age is the length of the telomeres and through things like NMN Yeah, I got it right. Yeah, there it is. Telomeres are protein of DNA structures at the ends of the

chromosomes that perform several important functions including protecting DNA, preserving chromosomal integrity. Telomeres help maintain the structure integrity of DNA during replication. It's the bit at the ends, right? Mm-hmm. And as you get older, they get shorter. And they get weaker. And so that's where I know this. I think it's just a real I saw somewhere. NAD shot. When people get NAD infusions, that helps that as well.

I've been seeing that lately. Bieber, the Kardashians getting them. I get those. Yeah. With Briggs? You can definitely do it with Brigham. I use another company. I see, I see. There's a lot of companies that do it. Okay, you is that you saw it approved or is it one of them? Yes

Yeah, it's not approved. You know, I'll see you later on Briggs Yeah, but the the thing that does it just as well Maybe even better is hyperbaric chambers and so hyperbaric chambers you elevate it up to two two it's like to two atmospheres, so twice our atmosphere, and then you have oxygen, you wear an oxygen mask, and you sit in it for an hour and a half. And dude, you come out of that, and you're just like, woo, what the fuck is going on?

How often do you do it? Every day for six weeks? I've been doing it a lot lately, because I got one at the house, so I've been doing it quite a bit. But it's just a completely different way of recovering I know I found out about it for recovery when Uriah favor fought Jose Aldo the leg. Yes His leg was fucking brutalized. I remember I saw Uriah was Uriah was always ahead of the game and he was

Using hyperbaric chambers to help him recover And so then I started looking into it and then I found out about this Israeli study and then I started seeing all the different ways that hyperbaric chambers to help them recover. And so then I started looking into it and then I found out about this Israeli study and then I started seeing all the different ways that hyperbaric chambers can increase your recovery and TJ Dillshaw did a lot of that as well I think. But it makes a big impact. They always do it like when you go down to CPI in Mexico when they do stem cells, they give people hyperbaric chamber

treatments as well. Okay, I'd have to look into that So if I wanted to do it, I'd maybe do it say like what twice a week or something Yeah, just something like that. How long does the effect last for? That's a good question. Yeah, I mean probably depends on the individual But it just makes my anytime I have something wrong with me I get in there. I just feel just better I bet you someone knows if they have one in Auckland now, they'll definitely hit me up and be like, hey. I bet they do.

Yeah, I'd like to try that. Yeah, I bet Auckland has it. It's time consuming. The whole experience is two hours, because it has to get up to pressure, then it has to decompress, and you're in there for 90 minutes. So it's like 15 minutes getting up to pressure, and then 15 minutes of decompressing at the very end But that's that's a great way to recover as well And there's I feel like every especially as you get older every edge you can get sauna cold plunge hyperbaric everything every edge you Therapy that's where I'm at now. That's why I was this last camp And I feel like even the one before that and the one before that, I just remember thinking like,

how can I, it was actually Eugene who said, how can you make this camp better? And I'll always find something to do to make this camp better, the next one. So that's like the last three camps. So this one I took with the whole having breakfast, having a chef help me actually cook. That was crazy that you used to train with no breakfast.

That's so crazy. So that was my way, I guess. Then I found out about intermittent fasting, and I realized, oh, I've been doing that shit for years. Right. I was just doing it by, I guess, laziness or accident. But it actually helps, though. Like, wake up, have two eggs, or maybe he'll

make sometimes something with chia seed. But normally eggs and a bacon piece or something. And then- She needs something. Yeah, something. You need something. Just to get the fuel. Yeah, yeah, and even Jordy From fight dietitian he told me yeah

You should definitely be having breakfast cuz he thought like you're crazy Training the way you do train and some of my morning sessions as well be grueling and then I'll go have breakfast But I enjoyed it that way because I felt like more one thing is when I fight fight day my body doesn't want to eat He'll make me like a nice plate of something delicious and my body's just like nah every so fight day I still try and eat something maybe at least an egg because you'll have pancakes eggs whatever bacon an egg and a little bit of bacon but my body just doesn't want to eat because I think if you force yourself to eat that would be a good thing no no so I just I think DC said the same thing as well one time

He said he likes to fight hungry so that way he gets that edge and I feel that way when it's fight day But when it comes to training now, I definitely like to have breakfast. I like the way it feels I can like now I've done it for a few months. I understand the Benefits of a healthy breakfast before you have a grueling training session. Yeah, it just gives you more gas Yeah The benefits of a healthy breakfast before you have a grueling training session. Yeah, just gives you more gas Yeah, Aljo said that when he fought pure or yawn that he didn't eat first or second one first Oh, and he said he felt like shit or the deal fight. Yeah You know, I think the time of the fight I pushed back I forget exactly what the reasoning was or just forgot to eat or just wasn't feeling it because the anxiety

Fighting for the title, you know the whole deal and he just felt it in the fight It just was where and especially with a guy like Aljo who cuts so much weight Yeah, you know Aljo is so he was so big for 35. Yeah, I remember running into him. He was like 176 pounds I was like what the fuck are you gonna make what 35 is so big. It looks good at 145 Yes, I was bummed out that that Mosvara Eve Lueb fight. Yeah, I'll because this weekend. Yeah That's a very inch. I thought Aljo is strong in 145. What did I fight fall out? What happened Aljo got injured? Yeah, he got injured and he thought he'd be able to work through it But couldn't yeah, and there's you know, there's a point of diminishing returns with these weight cutting dudes

Where and I think you know there'll be something like they've got the whole thing at one with the hydration clause My name is no matter what people was gonna try and find a way yeah It was gonna try and find a way to sneak past the hydration test or something that they could use to pass it But I don't know how that works. I don't know how they test for it It's never happened to me, but weight cutting even when I started fighting people used to tell Me go down to what you 170 for you guys. Oh my god. Hell. No, how the fuck can you make 170 back when I was skinny? Before like I got really brawling I was maybe I could make maybe 80 kgs that's close to 170 because 170 77 kgs

But Louis I ever go to was 80 as a kickboxer that was it. Yeah 170 I'd die. I wouldn't even because I've seen some of these weight cuts where guys like girls. Like Hamza. Oh bro. Like when Hamza would make 170. Whatever is Cyborg.

Oh yeah. You see her when she was in the bath in a tub crying and speaking and Olivera when they go and they huddle around them. It's a way you when you cut weight though I'll say this thing for me when I cut weight it's a spiritual experience sometimes. It's a weird experience because I've not just me I've seen fighters who have not get delirious but start saying things that you wouldn't they wouldn't normally say not even in a bad way but just the way they talk because you're close to death yeah you see the light

yeah really are close to death yeah I mean it sounds ridiculous to say that and if for someone who doesn't understand what fighters are going through you go are you being hyperbolic but not really not really you really are close to death if you keep going for a few more hours you'll die yeah especially that I mean like I've seen my weight cuts are normally Pretty tame not as bad because I think I'm perfect for 185 but the ones that I've seen guys lose a lot of weight the day off and I see them how they are and Even when they go to the skill you see their face just yeah, you never look to just destroyed

No, I always come in underweight as well I was what do you normally weigh like the week of a fight week of a fight? if I get to the fight location say If they when they weigh me if I'm say 198 That's 200. Yeah, that's easy. I'm like cool. That's normally what I'm at. That's just a few hard sauna sessions Yeah, boy, if not just the water loading and then it's like my body knows it's weird how my body does it a my body's Just like it just knows okay. We're getting on the plane. You've done it before it just knows

It's just like muscle memory and I get to the fight location. My body's like cool. We're doing this and then the weight just starts to go Did you notice a difference when they didn't allow IVs versus when they did allow IVs? I never used it. You never used it? I never used IVs that's the thing. So you never cut weight enough where you were so depleted that you needed to get those bags in you? Fuck out I'd like to. They say that's the best way to rehydrate the brain. Yeah because it takes how many hours if you do it orally. It takes a long time. Yeah it's a brain and that's the effects your chin. You're trying to protect is your fucking noggin slushing around in your yeah Yeah, cuz uh, what is it cerebral fluid? It's made of

It's it's well, I'm guessing a lot of water. There's a lot of water in there Yeah, and the the rehydration the brain apparently is the slowest because the blood-brain barrier. That's the slowest You know your your bodies your muscles rehydration of the brain apparently is the slowest because the blood brain barrier. That's the slowest, your bodies, your muscles rehydrate fairly quickly. But still, it just never makes sense to me that a person is literally on the verge of death 24 hours before a cage fight. Let's go battle to the death. And then you get head kicked in the fucking chin and.

Yeah, I mean look, I do love this game and I think weight cuts is always gonna be a part of it right now but who knows like cuz even now we have height differentials like are we gonna start discriminating against that like okay we only have high classes is that the name no that doesn't make any sense cuz you got guys like DC that you know even though he was not even barely six feet tall was a heavyweight champion but he he's a tank. Yeah, and these are wrestling skills I think that the way to do it really is to have more weight classes

I think when you have the big gaps like 85 to 205 is 20 pounds. That's crazy That's such a big ass gap and then you know 205 if you want to start fighting heavyweight and then you deal with guys like Francis who's a natural 265 that's such a gap this you have the ones in between okay the ticket 10 pounds 165 170 175 180 like they could do that, but I think that's maybe a little too much. I think 10 pounds Yeah, 10 pounds is reasonable. Yeah all the way 2545 55 65 75 85 95 205 And then maybe 225 and then have you ever have you have more chance the whole thing of? 265 being a limit for heavyweight to me is crazy because it's bigger boys out right my con used to cut down to

265 yeah, you know crazy even Francis did as well Yeah, if they did I mean they can just I think they talked about doing it. They talked about doing it recently Maybe last year I think they talked about adding more weight classes, but then I never heard it I know California was flirting with it. Okay, maybe that's what I saw they should have it everywhere There's too many too many gaps. They're too wide like there's too many tweeners Yeah, you know too many guys that are too small to fight at 170, but they really can't make 55 healthy. At least they took this shit out. Yeah, they took, finally.

Yeah. Finally. Look, I always thought that's like a group chat like decision, just say, yo, this is a dumb rule, let's take it out, boom. But why does it take so long? Is it because the commission all over the United States or whatever have to get together or something I don't know

I don't understand how I take that seems like a Common-sense rule and especially anybody who understands the power of elbows like this is not the most powerful elbow No, it's just not and so to deny that and to say that somehow or another that can't be blocked Well, that's crazy. Yeah, you could do that just as easy as you can do that. You can block that elbow facts Yeah, it doesn't none of it makes any sense There's a bunch of things that are unrealistic in my opinion One of them is not being able to up kick from a downward position when a guy's on top of you So if a guy's on top of you and you're on your back and the guy has a knee down, you can't up kick.

That's silly, yeah, I get what you mean. That's silly, that doesn't make any sense. I think you should be able to up kick when you are flat on your back and he's on his knees. You should, because that's a real technique. If you have rubber guard, like a flexible hip or whatever, you can just bring your leg and boom. Anderson did that to someone, who did he do that to?

What's his name? Yushin Okami I think. You should have called me. Didn't? Yeah you got disqualified and not in the UFC. Oh was that in Rumble in the Rock? The Yellow Cage. Yeah so that was a good knockout.

But then they disqualified him. That technique like if you are in a guy's guard and that guy can elbow you in the face, punch you in the face, why can guy can elbow you in the face punch you in the face Why can't he kick you in the face? He should be able to lean back and up kick you and it would make the guard way more effective Dangerous, it's also more real here. It is this one. Yeah, boom. Oh shit. That's a beautiful knockout That should be 100% legal. Look at the hip dexterity. Yeah, look at it. Like the way he just brought that back Yeah, like an axe kick from the outside. I think yeah, you know what you're right. That's 100% a good technique

It should be legal and you should be avoiding that if you're on top Yeah top is an advantageous position anything the guy that can do on bottom that is real for like a real fight should be allowed Yeah, it's not like you're cemented in this position. Like the idea of like not allowing soccer kicks to a downed opponent, what I think about that is the cage. I think if you're pressed up against a cage and someone can stomp you or soccer kick you, there's no way to move.

But if you're in an open space and there's a place to move, all those things should be legal because all those things are real techniques. But especially if a guy's on top of you, if a guy's on top of you. If a guy's on top of you, on his knees, in your guard, and you can get a leg back and stomp him in the face, that's good. That's a real technique that should be 100% legal. The one I like, soccer kicks, it just looks cool.

But again, if you have someone pinned against a cage, and they're even kneeing them, and when it one they go okay yes yeah they allow it yeah i don't even know what the what the discretion of the referee is to allow it i think it's if they're pinned against the cage then he doesn't allow it exactly okay which makes open space right if you're in open space soccer kicks go did you ever see the one where roger huerta fought in one and got the one of the worst soccer kick kaos ever maybe some big Brazilian cat and this dude soccer kicked him and it's like oh my god like in the open space Yeah, oh, yeah, he had him rocked already. Yeah, he's down like this and this dude just I think the thing as well as the the look of it for I guess the people who aren't really hardcore fans

If they see that they're like ooh, then it goes back to human cock fighting. Okay, but if that's true, how about Arania Aldana, when she fought at the sphere, her whole face is cut open. Oh, that was crazy. Insane, they didn't stop the fight. Tough though. So tough. Yeah.

So here's the Roger Huerta one. So Roger's hurt, and Roger shouldn't have been fighting at 170 anyway, and watch this. Oh no. Boom. Oh oh no oh yeah I mean that one I have seen this yeah that fucking kill you that one can kill you I mean that dude had everything in that yeah he even held it for a little bit like they didn't line it up really line it up full fucking goal whoo that's a rough one that is bad that's a rough one but that's a real technique legal yeah I mean you do it in real life yeah that's a rough one. That is bad. That's a rough one, but that's a real technique legal Yeah, I mean it's doing in real life. Yes. That's the point It's the sport of fighting and if it's a sport of fighting and you can't up kick a guy when you're in your guard

Yes, knees on the ground. That's ridiculous. Yeah, even the one you you've actually was it Maybe you at this fair you mentioned it with the mirabai fight. They stood them up at the end and I was thinking like, yeah, why they stand them up? Made no sense. Yeah, you know, it was like, yeah. I think so, yeah. I think Herb was alluding to they want more action. I don't know if he's getting pressure from someone to have more action, but one of the things

that Herb said was, if someone wants it, I think he was alluding to like some specific officials and executives, whoever. He's like, if they wanted to look different, I wish they would tell me. Because like, this is... Oh, wait, Herb's saying this to you. Oh, really? No, no, no, not to me.

He said it in an interview when he was being criticized for trying to get people to work and trying to stand people up. So let me get this straight. He's saying maybe some officials or someone would be alluding. He's alluding to the fact that they want it to look a specific way. Ah, I think I pick up what you're putting down. You see if you can find his statement on it because it was interesting the way he phrased

it. The way he phrased it. Like cryptic? Yes. Okay. You know. He's trying not to put someone under the bus, but he's saying like, look, maybe someone's saying to him that. Exactly.

And I think they are because he's always like, let's work, let's work. Sometimes when it doesn't even make any sense, like they're working. I know, I saw, I remember and I was like, yeah, he's on top. He just got him down. He's actually trying to, you know, beat him up. Yeah. Sean was defending well, but still saying, still saying true. That'd be interesting though that would That's that's when I say interesting. That's like

Shady But it's what we were talking about at lunch today too is that there's certain fighters They want to win because those fighters are more exciting. Yeah, and I'm a purist I feel like there should be no stand-ups Unless it is a violation unlessist. I feel like there should be no stand-ups. Unless there's a violation, unless someone does something illegal, there should be no stand-ups. I think if a guy can take you down, like Marab does,

and just beat you up and you can't do shit, and even if the audience is booing, that's the fight. If Sean wants to get up, he's gotta get up. I don't think it should be, you can just hold him on and you're full guard and the referee just stands you up. Because that's such an advantage for the striker Yeah, a big time to be standing up again and you already have an advantage of every round start standing up Yeah, and then you work so hard to get something to the ground and they go, okay stand up

Yeah, i'm trying to think have I ever been in the position that they made me stand up? No, not on top. Uh, but even on the bottom. I always get up. I find a way That's that's the ego thing because again look I I had to kill that to really be great at this game because I knew for a fact I couldn't beat some nerds in pajamas. So that was for me my, okay, humble yourself and learn how to grapple. And then I sucked at first and I got better. I never have shown too much of my grappling skills because they never really put me in a position to Show as much as I need to so for me. I just like cool

I just fucking do a Derek Lewis stand up get up and just beat him up as much as I can But yeah, fuck that is that is suspect. If someone is I actually want to watch that. I'll watch it later Let's see what the statement is. Did you find it? Like Luke Thomas made a video and he said herb called him after he made the video Interesting Thomas who's that again Luke Thomas the journalist? Okay, MMA journalist He spoke for a third. I'm like I'm reading the crypt closed captioning because I can't listen to it He said those instances. I'll just play this. I guess this might be it. I don't know if you saw her Oh, Luke. oh, my bad.

Of Herb. Ultimately, his opinion, but not limited to those instances where he had called for more work from Marab. What I cannot do today is speak on behalf of Herb. Ultimately, his opinions and beliefs are his own and they are his to tell whenever he elects to do so. What I can do is speak on behalf of my views." That's not it. There was an article where they had interviewed him.

A statement from him. Yes, it was a statement from Herb himself and he was saying, if someone wants the fights to look different, I wish they would tell me. Damn, that's suspect. Yes. That's a very... That's a way, again, that's cryptic. Cryptic. Yeah. That means they're telling you I want more action. That's a very. You found it? That's a way. Again, that's cryptic. Cryptic. That means they're telling you, I want more action. OK, here goes. I've seen on social media, people

have spoken about me calling the fighters for more action. That's what I've always done. I can tell you what I tell fighters during the rules briefing. I tell them, any time I'm going to interfere or any intervention, I'm going to talk to you first. Like, if I'm going to stand you up, what I'm going to say first is intervention I'm going to talk to you first like if I'm going to stand you up what I'm gonna say first is I'm gonna say Let's work. I usually clap at what I'm expecting

From him is not busy if what I'm and what I'm expecting from him is not busy work. I specify I'm looking for effort to finish the fight So either you posture to where you can set up fight ending attacks or advance your position, effort to advance, because it's not as easy as just passing the guard, but effort to pass, effort to advance your position, effort to bring the fight to finish. That rule was put in place, Standing Fighters Up, to make our sport look the way we want it to look. But he said something else.

It was more- If he goes, as a referee, blah, blah, blah. But I mean, if that's what he said, I trust your, you know, your recollection of it, but that's what I said. That's still very suspect in that you don't want to get this this game. This is one thing about the UFC is as real as it gets or MMA itself. This is what it is. But if you have that happening, then that's done the scene a little bit like, you know, not to

take away, like it's the WWE or anything. It's not that, but you are influencing the course of a fight where a guy has control and where a fighter... And the referee is the guy officiating the fight. So if he's getting word from someone, the way he said that, someone, that's... I think he was saying if someone wants me to do if they want the fight to look different I wish they would tell me but that's what I'm saying Who's that someone I don't think the referee's job is to instruct a fighter to do anything other than follow the rules

And if you can hold a guy down I feel I'm the worst with this because I think you should start in the same position you end of the last round Because I think it's one fight. I think it's one fight. It's not five fights So if a van an advantage for the striker is always standing up So if a guy gets you down and has your back and the round ends I think he should have the exact same position in the exact same place on the octagon floor When the next round starts because he earned that position and you didn't earn the stand-up So if you're standing up

Standing up for a guy like you is a giant advantage. I'm like, I'm biased. I would be like fuck that Yeah, of course. Well, also the audience would be but the audience will shut the fuck up It does it does make sense when it comes to pure fighting cuz even bro even Pride had ten-minute rounds the first round. That's cool. I'm saying, look, some things, like I'm glad this, they've taken out the way, but again, bring back tournaments just for one night. Let's see who's a real badass.

Yeah, that would be crazy. I've done a kickboxing, I've never done it in MMA. I've done it in boxing. But I might bring back a tournament, so let's see who's really about this, because we have to to fight get the adrenal Dump you go back and sit down sit down for ages and then eventually have to warm up again I remember that I've done it a few times. I've won a few of them, but it's it shows

This yeah like this You know it's also built-in drama over the evening where people watch a guy fight once and now he's gonna fight a second time And that was always wild about the early days of the UFC over the evening where people watch a guy fight once and now he's gonna fight a second time and That was always wild about the early days of the UFC watching those tournaments and pride as well Mm-hmm that a lot. Yeah, that'd be fun I think it before like oh they did it once though glory did it remember last man standing that was great No, but three times the night the UFC did it once with the flyweight the inaugural flyweight title And I think it was Mighty Mouse and Ian McCall in the in the final

No, no, I got it wrong. They fucked up the decision Because if there was meant to be a draw and they'd have one more round in Sydney I think mmm. Yeah, and then they were meant to but then they gave they fucked up the decision Because but I'll be crazy though. They go. Okay, cool. The judges have it this that it's a draw We're gonna one more round after a crazy fight like that. That would have had the whole place just cool Well, that's a glory does yeah I've had that too, but that's where this comes in. Yeah You have to just like cool. Let's go get back in the corner

That's is that one of the most difficult things like change your mindset in mid-fight like if something throws you off Mid-fight. Ooh, do you remember what I'm bringing up specifically is you remember Tim Kennedy and yo, El Romero? Oh, when get up get up. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, Tim Kennedy had yo, El Romero Yeah, yeah, so take a day. Yeah, Tim Kennedy had yo, Romero Fucked up and then they put yo out on the stool. They threw ice on the floor They fucking and he kept sitting on the stool and big John's telling him to stand up and he's still sitting down and Tim Kennedy's walk around going what the fuck fight should be stopped fights over. Yeah, the fight should have been stopped But then yo, I'll got up and then he stopped him afterwards. But he had like a good solid 35 seconds extra recovery time.

Which when you're hurt is huge. And I think Tim said it fucked with his head. And it was his mental weakness that he didn't, he thought he was angry, they're robbing me, this is bullshit, I had him, I should have won. The fight should have been, the round started, the minute was up, I could have got on him and I could I had him. I should have won the fight should have been we did the round started the minute was up It should have been I could have got on him and I could have finished him and so in his head he lost focus It does happen. Like I said even with me pointing at the ground in that moment any small lapse in judgment you you just need

30 minutes or 25 minutes of focus. So in that point, yeah, I can see well how that would get to him Yeah, that would get to him because you're like what the fuck they're about to screw me out of this exactly and they did and so then he's got a fight again why he's going motherfucker this shit already been over so instead of concentrating completely on being in the present in the fight you think I got fucked Anderson versus Bisping when Anderson 31 was on the case celebrating right and then if I think it was horrible who like yo get down here this and that,

right, right, right. Then you have to be like. Which could have been over if Anderson just followed up with one or two more shots, that would have been it. It's like we were talking about Jalen Turner and Hinato Mokano. He drops him, has him fucked up, and then walks away like it's a KO.

I literally went like, because I was front, I went to 300, I'm such a fan. I was there from the first fight. That's why I like to wear that as a badge on. I'm like, yeah, I was front, I went to 300, I'm such a fan. I was there from the first fight. That's why I like to wear that as a badge on. I'm like, yeah, I was there and I watched that and I was just like, why? He had eight more seconds. He could have just done something and taken him out.

And Hato was fucked up too. He was hurt bad. Yeah, but. And Jalen can crack. He's tough. Oh, he's so big for 55 and so long. I think he's also really talented as well. He's fast. He's so big for 55 so long. I think he's also really talented as well. He's fast. He's a smooth

Like when he fought Dan, I do you heard that? Yeah, that kick when I heard that and dang grabbed his waist and then Dan had his neck at the end of the round as Well, I lost my voice and that's the one where Dan broke his arm, right? Yeah Trust me. I love watching him come back into the top five now. I love it. I love that. He did that. I love it I love who he is as a person cuz look Dan He's I see him every day most days and he's a guy that you don't know what to expect like I don't know where Boom, he just customized himself for all these tattoos. Yeah, crazy. That's badass. Yeah, like covered himself I think he's in Spain because you know Oscar you know Oscar Willis

Mac life reporter he's fighting bare knuckle this weekend I believe or maybe next weekend in Spain but Dan's gonna go there and corner him I'm like fucking bare-knuckle boxing or MMA no boxing mmm that not for me. I can fight like if I had to get to a fight whatever sure but like for me I'd rather not pass on that but that's the kind of shit that Dan loves Dan's like yeah, let's do that shit He wants to do that shit. He wants to be like, yeah He just loves fighting Masvidal's got that whole MMA league where it's all gonna go MMA Which I like because it doesn't make sense to me that you don't cover your shins or your knees Or your elbows, but you do cover your knuckles

I just don't like the knuckles because you see again you moose knuckles still there this can cause more damage likes like cuts yeah Open exactly guys get sliced up so if I if gloves like I guess they protect Literally like I don't the new gloves as well, I think I've only fought once in a new gloves now. I might give it maybe one or two more, but I'm like, the old gloves just, they didn't really protect, the wraps protect your hands,

but the old gloves, they felt like rubber, like tire rubber. And I think they were just dangerous, like dangerous to hit with if you hit someone with those it's like bang these new gloves they feel like a little bit of a memory foam a little softer softer and I don't know about this whole curve thing they don't really curve I can still do that and yeah I try not to do that I'm uh you know whatever but still this I'll wait and see see bro listen man the best gloves for sure are Trevor Whitman's yeah the best gloves he made the best gloves they're the best

MMA gloves of all time. I've never seen them. See if you can pull them up. The Onix? Is that the Onix one? yeah I've got the big ones but I've never ever had. They are the best MMA gloves. They curve so it's curved so your hand is in this position so if you want to do this you have to open them up, but it's still you could do that for grappling It's all the same But they're in a curved position and I think that would avoid so many eye pokes so many so many You haven't really been I poke too many times Nah only time was in training really bad one was in training, but not not not in a fight, nah Avoid that as much as I can. I have another thought on that

Yeah, you think of this. I feel like they should cover the fingers I feel like why with like a mitt oh it goes over the top with like a round surface Like a boxing mitt, like a little something soft Yeah, like those little back glove mitts Like that's Trevor Whitman's okay. That's the onyx gloves those those are the best gloves Trevor Whitman's a fucking genius, man He makes incredible gear. Has he ever brought this idea to yeah They were in negotiation, but I think Trevor went crazy and wanted like Money something according to Dana at least that's his version. I've been okay to train a yeah, but he had but

Regardless of all that he makes the best gloves. They're the best MMA gloves of all time by bar none Yeah, the big ones watch I'll hit him up see if I can get those ones just to try them out It's the best foam like he uses the most high-tech foams the most expensive foam Like everything and he makes them all by hand like I've seen him. I've seen him station. He's passionate about it, but um yeah these new ones I'm so far at fighting with them I still prefer the the old ones. You think they're more damaging. Yeah Like I get it I

Don't like to get hit. So maybe that's why I'm biased with it But when I hit someone with those I feel it causes more damage Mmm, and I mean I can't cause damage I cause some damage on DDP with those ones, but I still want to try them maybe one more time just to feel Feel them, but it felt different. Yeah felt different You can I can definitely tell even the wraps when I put when I was squeezing my wraps into them. I was okay Just took a while, but still got it, but I'm like all right cool grab I like to test the grip strength make sure I can hold someone but Yeah But I'm like I cool grab I like to test the grip strength make sure I can hold someone but Yeah

We'll see I don't know why the fingers have to be exposed because you never do this There's no no reason to have the fingers ever in this position every time you grip you're gripping like like that Yeah, or you're gripping like this also it would prevent joint manipulation Yeah, small joint manipulation if you had, it's almost like a webbing. Yeah. That just covers that. Why can't you just have a thin piece of leather that goes over the fingers

and then something that's curved around the top. Like you said, like those bag mitts with the thumb out. Yes. So even if you do get poked in the eye, you're getting poked by a large thing instead of a finger. Yeah. It goes all the way into your eye.

And fingernails. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So the nails would be covered. Which, even if you trim your fucking nails, and not a finger yeah all the way into your and fingernails yeah you know so the nails would be covered which even if you trim your fucking nails that's still a hard surface that could scratch the shit out of your cornea then you got toes I've seen people get kicked in the eye even training and infected the eye as well oh yeah man yeah I've seen that well knows but now I mean that makes sense I mean it just I think people are scared of change right even with these new gloves it's I think is maybe that's why I'm trying to be like, let me give it one more shot I'm not I'm not gonna say I'm against them. Mm-hmm. I just feel

The other gloves were just they had that thing on them You know, he lost an eye. Oh, that's why where's the shades? Holding pads from somebody so he was holding pads and someone missed and caught his eye with their toenail. I do that too if that happened to me PTSD Yeah, I think like everybody should wear goggles if you're holding mitts Just the possibility just that we know that it happened to one of the top trainers in the sport Yeah, it's not just a freak accident. Right it was just grappling. I try and keep my nails like Trim just cuz I don't want to I've done it before by accident on someone

I've caused I think I call a tie and then they did something and then yeah I got on not on me on them It's happened to me as well, but I felt bad when I did another person I had their skin in my nails and I was like, yeah my bad. So they get Yeah, cut your nails. But still that's not a bad idea. I would fuck with that I feel like it wouldn't affect the grappling at all Yeah, and it definitely would help I pokes which are the biggest problem. I pokes are a giant problem Yeah, so many guys have gotten eye surgery now. I mean balala's had three eye surgeries

Yeah, and remember when he got polled away. Oh, not the neon one. Yeah, that's right. Yeah Fuck yeah, I can imagine you can make you can change the culture I feel like it should be done and I don't think it's bad I don't I don't see any negative to cover in the fingers and I see only positives Yeah, and I don't think it would do It's just real simple piece of leather here I get you I get what you're saying measure the fighters hands, you know Some guys have very long fingers some guys are short fingers measure the fighters hands build a custom glove

That's not hard to do same thing like having glove size. I'm sure someone make it now or someone made that before I don't think so. Yeah, I don't know if anybody that's made that but that's that should be the way they do it because that would eliminate a Enormous a number of that's a money-making scheme right now someone decides to make that and then put it out there as a prototype You're like look this actually works. Yeah them and then they go I'm patting in that boom with the UFC doesn't listen to me Because I have all kinds of crazy ideas. I'm like get rid of way classes Fair enough because also like I'm not

Interested in making the fight more exciting. I'm making I want I'm the best. What's the best? What actually works? I'm a purist. I want to see what was the actual effective technique like there's some times like when you see in jiu-jitsu Tournaments where guys are doing something like they're in a 50-50 position like This guy could punch you in the face kick you in the face so easy. This is not a good Self-defense position. Yeah, and you see it in MMA I'm a lot of guys are accustomed to doing that and they're they're they're literally face down holding on to an Ankle and the dude just boom boom one of my boys Nate Nate law He just fought in his I think third pro fight

The guy had a leg lock and Nate Posted the this quote from chill something after the fight about if a guy is holding on to your leg Just posture up and punch him in the face. Yeah, that's what Nate did and won the fight. So yeah, I mean the whole leg lock game I know I know some stuff with ex-guide and want not but I don't really fuck with it too much because I get scared cuz The commitment when I hold on to someone's leg. Yeah, and then you just exposed unless I'm like a Craig Jones type Who I just know as a wizard. Yeah, the thing about leg locks is you have so little time to react Yeah, if you don't tap if you there's such a brief especially like an inside heel hook There's such a brief amount of time you have before your shit is just blowing up. It's smithereens

It's just fine. This is fine. This is fun pop and it's gone Yeah, rips apart, and then you're fucking nine months It would be if I'm rolling with people if I don't trust that person, or if I just feel like, I'll just go, yeah, cool, tap, because ego's not worth it. I don't try and hold onto shit like that. Especially like Vox. Do you have a hard time like that, with people trying to get a name for themselves training with you? Yeah.

Yeah, so that's for me. It's not even, if I go to a new gym, I pick and choose who I go with. And it's not like an ego thing, because I don't want to get my ass whooped. It's just like, I don't know you well enough that. And sometimes you see people, they salivate, like, oh, this is my chance. This is my, I got my shot now.

But now sometimes in grappling with some people in the jujitsu class, they'll just, lower belts. They'll be like, I'm good, thank you. You know what I don't like? When I see a dude sitting out around and waiting while you're exhausted and then they go, do you wanna go? Like, bitch, I watched you, I'll call him out.

I watched you just sit down for 10 fucking minutes. Oh, you'd get that as well too. Why didn't you just jump in? Why weren't you just rolling right now? You wanna roll fresh? Yeah. Is that what this is? And you like call him out on it,

you see the look in his face. Yeah, I just go now I'm good. Thank you, and I'll get someone that I actually trust cuz yeah, it's not it's just I Know the feeling as well cuz I'm sure that's all will tap me or do something I'll just let go and then it's like that I know when it's real and it's generally like good job and I know the one when it's like They like yeah, I'm gonna tell you about this. I'm gonna tell them. Can't wait to get online. Yeah.

I'm like, here we go. But again, that's the thing when I talk about ego and I had to kill that before I started training grappling cause it was just, I sucked. Right. Like, nah, I get taps. One thing I definitely will get is a submission in the UFC before I'm done.

I will choke someone out, like a guillotine or a rare naked. I like guillotines, but I've It's learning how to find the sweet spot for me the sweet spot when I get it and when I get it It's not even a bulldog choke. I get really good at those Some I can find the spot and I just cuz I got the frame for you the best person that I jam Dan hang man That's his shit. He grabs your neck You're going like it's like yep find a way out you can't cool tap but yeah, I like using guillotine as though especially on

Wrestlers cuz yeah, just let them know. Okay. This is always a threat. This is always a threat But again, it's something I've been working on but eventually before I retire you'll definitely see me get a submission Well, it's interesting because you're a specialist. You know, you're one of those guys that like, you didn't come in with a full MMA experience. You didn't start as an amateur MMA fighter. You were a kickboxer. And so you, I remember when you and I first

started talking online, I reached out to you on Instagram. And you were like, I'm gonna wait a little while. I'm gonna just do this right. Which I thought was very intelligent. Cause you could have just jumped in like many guys do and then they get UFC throws you in with a wrestler you get exposed and now you're so far behind the curve It takes a long time to build up your confidence and your momentum again because you got smothered in your first fight Yeah, that was 2015. I believe I haven't sent a DM to Dana saying just give me one shot. Just get me to the cage

I'll do the rest and look I would have but I'm glad I took my time and it was it was good for me just to fight different people from Ukraine China Was Brazil all different types of places and then Experience different styles and that way I felt confident enough when I got to the UFC my first fight shout out Rob Wilkinson Good guy good friend of mine now. And yeah, he tried to take me down constantly. And I was able to withstand that because of the work we did.

And Andre, Andre Paulette, my wrestling coach, a lot of drills, just drills, wall work constantly. What year did you start that? What year did you start grappling training? I started in 2010, but I was meant to go into MMA straight away. But there was just so many kickboxing fights and I kept on getting kickboxing fights that I was just too. Also, I like fighting kickboxing, so I was just like, I'll just take this fight, take this fight. But I was always grappling on the side,

I low key grappling on the side. And eventually, I think I can't remember my what year my first UFC MMA fight was. It would have been 2014 maybe, or 2013, and then I started taking it more seriously. Like I'm a purple belt now, but I'm like, I'm a purple belt. I know I'm dangerous, but it's like, I'm not like, there's levels. There's levels to belts. There's some purple belts, blue belts who can kick my ass, you know. But yeah, I do enjoy it though. I love grappling. There's levels to belts. There's some purple belts blue belts who can kick my ass, you know, but yeah

I do enjoy it though. I love grappling. I like I feel like a ninja cat when I'm grappling and I'm on I'm on that flow state I just feel like I just it's fun to play with but then again, I've only ever shown cases or brief Like again, who's one not just a pererrified Madison Square Garden Gastelum I had a triangle on them To virus I had a guillotine at the end of the round some other ones with the kimura traps But yeah Just no one's really put me in that position to make me have to like really use my offensive grappling But again when I get taken to the ground, I'm just like fuck

I'm just gonna stand up if kickboxing was as big as MMA. Do you think you've ever done MMA? That's a good question Fuck if okay money wise Probably ego Cuz I just knew a fucking nerd and pajamas to kick my ass I can't have that Honestly, it's just I just know like some dude can beat me and he doesn't have to even throw a punch In the back of my mind, it's still that's why sometimes when all these you know boxes, you know

Like gotta die like back in the day when it was USC versus boxing or whatever. I was like well This is a this is real fighting like you want to see what a bad person on the planet is Fight right? No one's telling you you can't use your weapons, but you want to take away all my weapons. Right. That's why I don't think I'll ever box again, because I just think it's too limiting. Even kickboxing, I feel like it'd be really hard for me too, because it's too limiting. I do like aspects of grappling that I can use in a fight, but yeah, nah. I like full-fledged fighting I think it's a healthy ego I just knew I have to really humble

myself so I can learn how to fight these guys and their own game so yeah that's why I like how one FC has everything they have grappling matches they have kickboxing matches they have Muay Thai matches and they have MMA matches I think that is the way to go and I really wish the UFC, I know they're invested in this slap fighting shit, but instead of that, like slap fighting, have a kickboxing league. I think they don't think that people would get into kickboxing. I think they're wrong. Yeah, they just did the one in Denver for one FC recently, went well and the fights are crazy. Yeah, a lot of knockdowns, a lot of action-packed stuff if it was just marketed the right way right with the UFC's marketing machine

Easily easily be one of the biggest because everybody loves chaos everybody loves stand-up fights, and you're gonna slap fight You're gonna get real chaos because kids they can't grow no one can grapple Yeah, you can't grapple so you're gonna get people chaos because kids, they can't, no one can grapple. You can't grapple. So you're gonna get people that are forced to stand up and you could then attract the greatest strikers in the world like one FC is doing. They're getting all these Thai killers, you know, these Robb tanks, all these like elite Thai fighters

and they're all coming over and they're fighting in the cage now. And I feel like there's an opportunity for that for a kickboxing league in America That would be hugely successful if like the UFC machine got behind it. Yeah, you know John way past a lot of that I think he did. Yeah, I did in the case. Yeah, cuz I was gloves I watched both fights with Brad Riddell. I think or the first no the first one with Brad Riddell No, second one. Sorry. That was the one I watched that, cage fighting. Great fight, crazy fight, even though John lost,

he just showed me who he is, but yeah, I think he did start cage Muay Thai. That was his thing. I think it was his thing. He should have fucking trademarked that shit. Trademarked that. Well, Muay Thai with little gloves is different too, right? Because there's blocks you can't use.

Just shielding like the Dutch style. I remember with the big gloves, I always talked about it as well. I always felt my striking was better for MMA. I always felt it was better for MMA because I was like, nah, if you can just do this, that's, yeah, you just block whatever hit. It's just who's tough, who's tougher.

But with the small gloves, you can get around the guard. The hand traps are different. So I always just felt like, yeah, my striking would excel better in MMA. I wasn't as, not I'm tough, but I wasn't as just like. Tough for no reason. Yeah, thank you. Like I like to use my brain.

You know what I mean? So I was just tough for no reason, like boom, boom, boom, boom. Okay, you hit me, hit me, hit you, hit you. That's not my style. I always felt I was slicker, the way I move, the way I set traps. And that's why I like MMA striking better.

It's kind of crazy about the Dutch right like what is it about them? That makes their style so savage because if you go back and you like watch like Ramon Decker's or Rob Kaman or Nesto Hust Yeah, oh my god. There's a culture Yeah, I think it's the culture of the stock cuz you I've seen some of the gym spas. That's how they hurt It's insane over. Yeah, I've Kalia was talking about it Yeah, Kalia was telling me he was a whole rain over there years back And he's like I don't can't fucking do this like these guys are going hard every day for zero dollars. Yeah Dollars like what do you get paid in glory? What are the best fighters get paid in glory?

Like what was like I wasn't getting paid that much. What does Rico Verhoeven get paid to defend his heavyweight title? I think he probably gets more than most he's still in glory, right? Yeah. Okay. Yeah Yeah, I kind of fell off them after they rubbed me off the fucking belt. I was just like yeah, whatever Okay, the Jason wellness fight. Yeah Fight to yeah, I know it's one of those things look I'm glad things happen the way they have in my career because it always gives me an opportunity to come back or rise again and showcase my spirit my fighting spirit not just in

the cage but as a human being. So all the things that have happened to me in my in my career when it comes to losses or setbacks I just go cool let's see what I can do next. Right. Yeah like even look the DDP fight, Shrekling fight, what's another one? Well Pereira I got that back. Yann when I feel like that was a side quest I'm just kind of like man that's cool but and I never hold on to them I never hold on like I need to get this it's like nah this is fine if it like the Alex one I was cool if that never happened but then he decided to chase me and that's like

cool let's do it. The Yann thing is a crazy situation right because yawn goes to a split decision with prayer. It's a great fight It's a tough fight. He has that crazy fight with Uncle I have it goes to a draw. Yeah, and then no one's talking about him Yeah, everyone's talking about contenders in the light heavyweight division like what about yon bohovich? Yeah, get him in now before he's too fucking old. Yeah, I think he's already in his 40s, early 40s. But yeah, I think he won the title that old. Like was he like 39 or 40 when he won the title? He was. I'm trying to think. I just feel like he's being disrespected. Like he's just not getting the attention.

Like if you look at his performances, the guy's not had a bad performance. Like there's not one fight that was boring. There's not one fight where he wasn't trying to win. He's not a wrestler, he's standing up. Right, he's fighting top contenders. He's fighting top guys. He's standing kickboxing. Yeah, he's a fucking animal. And he's out of the conversation.

Like they're talking about Ankalayev fighting, you know, like, oh, Alex is avoiding Ankalayev so he takes Khalil. Ankalayev and Jan Bojovic went to a fucking draw like what about that like what about him? Yeah, maybe because he doesn't make as much noise cuz I don't really see him on there as much anymore What does it say? Okay, I was supposed to fight right Shoulder injuries hurt right now. Oh shoulder surgery so that but that was January so that was ten months ago Yeah, must be well, that's about the amount of time especially when you're dealing with shoulder injuries man those fucking things take forever

Yeah, go see fucking what's his name Briggs, but yeah, I'm glad I got some today though. Thank you for that actually Yeah, not from the stem cells. I like that from the this to the drip I go earlier, but yeah the stem cells the ones I had in my My ankle yeah, they worked I went to Mexico yeah, it's a game changer Yeah, it's a game changer And we're getting fucked here in America where it's very difficult to get the same kind of treatment that you can get in Mexico Yeah, Panama what they can do here is much more limited. Hopefully in the future they'll release those limitations

but in America you're dealing with a lot of corruption because orthopedic surgeons, pharmaceutical drug companies, they're gonna lose a lot of money if they have stem cell treatments because there's so many different things that it could fix. Even Briggs was just talking about what he said on here, just going at them and that went viral, which is good. I just told him, bro, put out a tweet and say,

I will never, ever kill myself, ever. I think that's a smart thing to do. Just put that tweet, because when you start fucking with those guys, pharmaceutical companies, they'll find anything. So I was like, whoopsie, oh, how did that happen? Fuck, there was one, what was the one for me? I put that tweet out one time,

because I kind of got a little paranoid. Fuckin' every, so I did this interview with Oscar Willis, right? And I started talking about the whole, this is when Epstein just got arrested. And I was saying like, well, Epstein just got arrested, right, and then Oscar goes, yeah, it's funny how the Johnny Depp and Amber Heard case

is getting more attention than that. And I'm like, crazy, isn't it? So this Epstein guy just sold kids or whatever, trafficked them to these rich oligarchs and whatnot. I was like, what happened to them? What happens to those people? Where's the list? And then I didn't think anything of it,

but then it went viral. And then every year since, it goes viral at least twice or three times. I'll see it just circulate again. And I'm just like, oh fuck. So then I went on Twitter, and I said, I will, and I'll say it again, look, I will never ever kill myself.

I've never even come close. I mean, we all think about it sometimes. Like when I was working this job, you just have like a passing fleeting thought, like, oh, if I just jump over this bridge and hurt my leg, I don't have to work for the next six months, because I hated my last job but I would never ever ever ever kill myself I'm not that I'm not built that way and I've been there

before when I think 2013 I realized is this how people feel before they kill themselves like the how sad they were and I was like man that's sad I just made me feel sad for those who actually go through with it yeah but yeah anyway I would never kill myself just in case well There's enough people commenting on the Epstein case I don't think you have to worry But yeah the people that are in the position to actually know the people's names on the list those people are probably in trouble Yeah, cuz that's a crazy piece of information to have and the fact is that no one's been tried

No one's been brought. No one's been discussed We know who went there. We know flight logs. No one talks about anything. There's no effort to prosecute There's no effort and then you have Galeen Maxwell who's in jail for sex trafficking to Who? Who you have to have you have to have done it to someone but there's no effort at all to uncover that Yeah, I'm saying now this year. It's kind of crazy how this year started off with what's his name? Cat Williams Sipping the cognac. Yeah, and then now this whole P did he sometimes you have to tell did he know? Yeah, it's crazy

Diddy comes alleged list of accomplices to be, it's crazy. Oh man. Sean Diddy Combs alleged list of accomplishes to be revealed soon. The names will shock you. Attorney says, whoa. I think he's gonna sing, hey. I think he has to sing or he goes to jail for the rest of his life. Bro, also I'll tell you what I'm saying.

God protects me. I'm so glad God protects me. Cause look, if I got invited to the white party, I'd have gone. Especially if you didn't know. Of course, no one knew, no one knew. And then you find out. If you don't know, you're just a celebrity,

and you know, oh, Jennifer Lopez is gonna be there, oh, Rick Ross is gonna be there, everyone's gonna be there, that would be a cool place, I wanna meet those people. Facts, and I just wanna be there having fun partying, but then they start to, apparently, they said they were using, I'm gonna guess, it's like ketamine, because they said horse tranquilizer,

and they're putting in people's drinks and the champagne and then getting them all loose. I'll tell you a secret, it's just us two, right? Yeah. After I knocked out Pereira in Miami, we went to Tootie's the next night, and they were like, yo, P. Diddy wasn't here watching a fight last night.

I was like, wait, word? Crazy. Then I went and checked my DMs, and I saw, oh shit, he hit me up. And he was talking about two months later, I wanna do an interview or whatever. And I said, here's my manager's number. Bop, cool.

Nothing ever came off it, but again, that's why I said, God be protecting me. Right, right, right, right. Because who knows? Like, you never know, oh yeah, we're having this party later on. Yeah, that's cool, oh yeah, cool, cool. And then they start to like, you know,

you find some chick, you pull on her, and then boom, oh, how was that 15 year old? Like what right and you're filmed? Yeah, I heard about that. Yeah Yeah, apparently allegedly cameras all over the house and Thousand bottles of baby oil. Yeah, what nobody's got actually bro a Thousand but also by the way, that's shit a thousand but also by the way that shit Lou Coconut oil is better fucking water-based lubricant Yeah, but baby oil is acidic as fuck Johnson & Johnson's like that's demonic bro. Like why would you use baby oil? Fucking dudes. Nah, probably started out with it. That's all the bottles. No, that's that's AI

That's gotta be AI. I don't know if it's AI. I think that's real I think it was lube and baby oil. I think you had a variety of different substances Who counted that was a thousand? Look at that one two three Imagine having 500 bottles of baby oil on the wall Imagine having 500 bottles and go we need to go for a target run Oh man, oh the fact that said it was fucking what you call it Costco and Costco goes now We don't sell that shit. What is this? Defaced AR 15s interesting. What does that mean? Does that mean they scratch the serial numbers off? Yeah. Whoa, that's a serious crime Yeah, that's a serious crime. But again see he's in cahoots with

Epstein and then is he in cahoots with was he in cahoots with him? Or was it just a similar type of an operation? They were friends really? Yeah, cuz Epstein had then is he in cahoots with was he in cahoots with him or was it just a similar type of an operation? No, no, he they were friends real. Yeah, cuz Epstein had a fucking no on Miami as well that really private rich Estate in Miami, so they were all in cahoots as well. But again, I think he's gonna sing Isn't it crazy like that was always the conspiracy theory tin foil hat thing oh there's a place where the elites go to fuck underage kids like what what's his name Alex Jones yeah he was right he was right he was right about a lot of things almost everything yeah most about almost everyone but almost everything else he was right but you got to realize that that guy had been in uncovering real conspiracies

That the media had not covered for fucking decades And he was literally having like a psychotic break because of it because he's just drinking all the time and dealing with the stress How would you even Kanye imagine you trying to tell people something right and then no one believes you and they call you crazy I'd go crazy just trying to explain to people. Even, I can imagine the frustration, the frustration of trying to explain to someone, and you're like, no, this is really happening. And they're like, yeah, whatever, you, this and that.

And I went down the rabbit hole in 2020, I'll tell you, I did, I had to. And for me, it was just like, I could see the fuckery. And for me, it was just like, I could see the fuckery. I could, look, this is the mark of the immigrant. It's right here. If you look at any immigrant, it's just like that little dot. It's a keloid. It's from a vaccine we all had as kids all over Africa.

I can't remember what it was for. So I'm not opposed to vaccines. But when someone's trying to force you or coerce you or whatever into taking something that, you're like, you know, something just doesn't feel right about it, you know what I mean? But again, I grew up in Nigeria. I know how corruption works. So I mean, I'm a lawyer, Biden citizen,

you know what I'm saying? I did my part, whatever, but still I just knew something was afoot. So I, yeah, I did my part. I played the game, because it's all a game. I got offered different ways to play the game, but I was like, I'll find my own way and I did. So yeah, stayed pure, which is good. Yeah. This whole thing was just money. It was just, they were trying to convince everybody that needed a vaccine because they wanted to make enormous amounts of money and they pulled it off. Which is good. Yeah, this whole thing was just money. It was just, they were trying to convince everybody they needed a vaccine because they wanted

to make enormous amounts of money and they pulled it off. And then now, with all the information that's come out, all the deaths, I saw that show, Die Suddenly or whatever. And you see the blood clots from the same time that the vaccine got pushed. Excuse me. And then everyone just goes up. Oh Well carry on my dad's like again, I'm frustrated in a sense by don't say it cuz like we fucking told you yes, but then

I don't need an apology knowing he's an apology, but it's kind of like everyone just oh well I guess that's that and then carry on with your fucking life I was talking to a dude last night who's a veteran, who was telling me that the hospital where these veterans get treated, they literally told him we are not allowed to make a connection with any of these adverse side effects to the vaccine.

Even ones that are listed as vaccine side effects, they're not allowed to make that connection because they mandated the vaccine. And this is the real problem. The reason why all these corporations and all these people don't wanna talk about it is because they mandated their employees to get vaccinated. So even though there's no liability

for the vaccine manufacturers, because they're exempt, which is part of the problem why they fucking propose all these things anyway, but then you're not allowed to make the connection with the problem these people are having and the fact that they got Vaccinated two three times. You're not even allowed to say that this might have been the cause of it They're not even allowed to bring up that connection That's so they have to just treat whatever this side effect of the vaccine is without talking at all about the vaccine

And not give any connection to it. Isn't that funny? It's through the looking glass. Yeah. It's like we're living in the matrix, man. It really is. It's like there's complete mind control. And the idea of mind control is like, no, mind control is not real. Of course it's real. It happens.

I've seen it. So many bots, bro. Like sometimes I move through life and I feel like, look, we are all born like as players in this game, but everyone gets kind of programmed through so you know schooling or whatever education system society And then they just become bots and I can see it as well I guess because when I was bringing it up and I'd say something even people I really love and trust sometimes and then did instantly what they've called it or Agent Smith syndrome, huh, and they decide no actually this and that brighter right, right?

I might you know why that is? Because they got vaccinated, and they told people to get vaccinated, and they don't want to believe they made the bad decision, and they don't want to believe they coerced other people into making a bad decision. So they want to come up with all sorts of reasons why all these health problems and all these,

and then the overall all-cause mortality increase, which is through the roof. In some age brackets, it's 40% increase in all-cause mortality, strokes, cancer, heart attacks, all these things have gone through the roof and no one is making a connection. Must be just the food people are eating who just ignore it.

It's just money. Even some people that did get it. They tell me they regret getting it Yeah, so many times I regret getting it But I had to because if not my job was gonna fire me then I had to and the the fucking gaslighting thing our former fucking Prime minister she did. Oh, I don't believe we I don't believe we coerced anyone into getting it I don't yeah, anderced anyone into getting it. I don't, and you just, I'm like, bitch, you literally said if you can't, if you don't get this, you can't go grocery shopping, can't go to restaurants, you can't do that,

can't work, so your livelihood gone. But then, I don't think we forced anyone, we didn't force your hand. Like when people do, that's the ultimate form of gaslighting, you're just like, in our face. The pressure was incredible. The pressure was incredible. The pressure was incredible. And you know, I felt it in the weirdest way

because I saw people lying about me on CNN. I was like, this is crazy. Or the horse tranquilizer thing. Yeah, it was horse dewormer. They changed the color of my face. They made me look yellow and sick on television. I'm like, if you do that to me, and by the way,

no one gave a fuck that I got better real quick. That was the craziest part about it. Isn't this supposed to be about recovering from a disease? Here you got a guy who's recovered in three days and is telling you all the shit he took, and you're lying. You still try to like superimpose that sepia kind of filter. Yeah. The one that got me so because we still travel

during 2020 I did four of those MIQ quarantines the one where you go back to your own country and then you have to quarantine in a hotel for two weeks before you get let back into society. My coach usually did nine a lot of those he even told me Israel that last one luckily the last one he was able to do it in his house but then his family had to go live somewhere else for two weeks he was just grateful he had it in his house my last one I remember I went outside for our fucking daily outside for what 40 minutes or whatever sometimes we get shipped onto the playpen on a bus like

prisoners or whatever and then I remember everyone's doing these circles just walking in a circle and I almost did a full circle well time and I was like what the fuck am I doing and then I went back into my room and I stayed in my room for the remaining 11 days because I just felt like this was too much and then also the one that got me was third one. This lady had a kid and she may be paraplegic or whatever. She had a neurological disease. And then the kid had a seizure while the mom

was having a smoke somewhere. The kid had a seizure. And one of the guys went and helped the mom with the kid. And the officer that helped the mom with the kid, they put him in quarantine for three days Because he didn't have the correct PPE gear on So that let me know This isn't about

Looking at people it's about punishing this guy for disobeying the law Because he didn't have it so we're all someone's having a seizure. Hold up miss Let me go put on this fucking overall and tape my gloves on this while this kid's dying Exactly, and they put him they punished him for that so that let me know like okay this is fuckery this is a foot well I remember when Dan Hooker had fought over here and then he had there was a picture of him being on the side of a fence looking at his daughter yeah it was heartbreaking yeah he couldn't yeah couldn't see his daughter for like two weeks you didn't have the same thing he

had a newborn at the time so I have a picture of him with his wife and his son on the other side as well and Then you're separating families all that kind of stuff. Look I Like my alone time. I love I might seem like a social butterfly and I am I can do both But I love my alone time and I like being inside but When you have too much alone time, that's bad. I didn't like that, because then you start to go in your head

with all these other things. I mean, I didn't go crazy, but I was dancing on the edge. I enjoyed it. Well, that was a lot of things people on Twitter lost their fucking mind, because they were on Twitter all day long, locked in their house during quarantine

for months and months at a time just literally getting mentally ill just Reading Twitter and attacking people and then blaming all these people that are unvaccinated on all the problems of the world They just put us against each other. Yeah constantly People don't do that again. I hope people realize like hey that was no one benefited from that. No one got better No, it didn't help anybody survive It was all bullshit. I hope there's another lockdown Well, yeah, just for like a month. I think okay look Every year at least for two weeks or even some places maybe a month just all right shut everything down

Everyone go it was good But you get to spend time with your family or the people you live with in real life Do I fuck with these people or do I not and they also build like build relationships and relationships? Things like that the whole world got better the fucking ocean got cleaner So I think it's good lockdown was good for that when it when it was okay But not for extended periods like six months where that was terrible for the economy even a lockdown for a month It's terrible for the economy even a lockdown for a month is terrible for the economy It takes a long time to recover sure when everything ceases and you're not getting any packages in like right now There's a teamsters and longshoremen strike in America, which means all the docks all the No, no one's moving nothing everything's all the Amazon just for two

Eventually, that's all gonna lock down Eventually, there's gonna be nothing if these guys keep going. It's gonna cripple the economy You're gonna go to Amazon just for two weeks? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no Okay, they they feel like they have a more valuable position than they're being compensated for and this is gonna show that they can negotiate Like you guys need to understand how valuable we are to your society. You take us for granted Yeah, you don't want to give us what's fair and so we're gonna fuck you sure and they haven't had a lockdown like that since

Yeah It's a real one It's a scary one too because it they have an immense power and they haven't flexed it before and they're flexing it Now and they're flexing it like right before an election Which is that who knows what kind of effect that's gonna have because if the economy tanks because of that and they can blame Biden and Kamala Harris, you know, it could it could get crazy. Yeah I will see when that start like a week ago to a couple or really I think was October 1st. Yeah Yeah, interesting. I always like it when look I love America, but I like watching it from New Zealand

Like when I come here I love the food like the fucking you know shake shack or the just delicious like last night took so long for This Burger something Austin to get get to our hotel But then when it got there would we just smashed like all these smash burgers I ate three of them so good and I go back home and I eat clean and I get my body right again, but Here I love it. Even though I'm when Trump won I was stuck here for In San Diego for about eight weeks. That's when I went to Ato's jujitsu and I got really really good at jujitsu for a while eight weeks. That's when I went to Ato's Jiu-Jitsu and I got really, really good at Jiu-Jitsu for a while.

Me and my teammates, we just thought like when Trump wins, we need to have food for four days because it's going to be fucking crazy. Because from where we are in New Zealand, the camera only shows you this. So Trump wins. We're looking outside like, okay, safe, cool. Everyone's, nothing's really happening. We see Trump flags on someone's lawn, Biden or whatever on someone's lawn still, it's fine. But then someone explained to me that even the Capitol riots, when in DC they face the cameras this way.

If you just turn the cameras this way, you'll see the rest of the street just normal. So from New Zealand, when we see what's happening here, it's just the biggest, craziest sitcom. And again, like I said, I love America, but I like watching it from New Zealand. But I do enjoy being here, but again, watching it from New Zealand,

we have our own chaos to deal with, but this one is just juicy. It's a different kind of chaos. The whole world's watching. That's what's different, because America's such a weird country, that the whole world is watching when we have elections. Even, look, Trump just got almost assassinated twice twice twice what there's a second assassination attempt

Yeah, there was a guy who got caught with an AK-47 He was hiding in the bushes for 12 hours got in a shootout with the Secret Service I missed all this yeah, because they took it in and out of the news in like a heartbeat He there was a shootout. No that's the the Secret Service shot at him. He fled I don't think he shot at the Secret Service. He fled and then they caught him Well, so he was before after the after after after I see so this is a guy who is a real lunatic He went over Ukraine to fight for the Ukraine forces. It's a crazy person Okay, and this guy was somehow or another armed to the tits

Even though it's illegal for him to be carrying a gun. He's a convicted felon and he Almost assassinated Trump and it was out of the news cycle in a couple of days. I missed that completely I didn't even know about it. How will they gloss over it? They don't give a fuck But again, how do you gloss over that the one with when he got shot and he just turned his ear? Don't give a fuck but again, how do you gloss over that the one with when he got shot and he just turned his ear Crazy, there's so many things fucked up with that. You know why I mean, I'm sure you've already talked about this other people But just the fact that it's just they apparently saw him on the roof for what nine minutes or something beforehand and just watched him My so many things I just go on with that. Yeah, everything's wrong. It wasn't really secret service A lot of those are Homeland Security the lady with the gun. Oh, yeah fumbling with the gun

Full panic yeah, the whole thing was madness and the fact that that went out of the news cycle real quickly, too Nobody cares about the fact they almost killed that guy now. It's about the debate It's about the day and they went right back to calling him a threat to democracy a threat to our society and like hey Who is that kid? How did he die? What happened there? How did he get ahold of those detonators? How did his apartment get completely professionally

scrubbed? When they went to that kid's house, there was no silverware. His house was professionally scrubbed. And he lived by himself. Isn't he a teenager? 20 years old. Meanwhile, he was in a Black Rock commercial.

Black Rock, the company? Yeah, he was in a Black Rock commercial. Black Rock, the company? Yeah, he was in a Black Rock commercial. Okay. And then, yeah, dude, there's so much to that story. And here's the thing, if he kills Trump and then they kill him, who knows? It's all lost. It's all in the wind. Oh, lone shooter, crazy person.

Unfortunately, got ahold of Trump. You know what we need to do? Take everyone's guns. This gun violence is a real problem in this country. You know it's also a problem mind control Like what did you do to that kid what but drugs was he on no toxicology examination? They burned his body in ten days really I took a hold of the barium. Oh, they fucking cremated his ass See this is what I like. I just get the popcorn. I just go yeah, it's nuts It's a crazy because he would have been Lee Harvey Oswald, too

I mean just like really Harvey Oswald Allegedly shoots JFK Jack Ruby walks up to him BAM shoots him. He's dead. What happened? Who knows? That's the whole magic bullet theory again. I've gone down the rabbit hole to a point where I saw that it might have been the driver No, no, okay. Yeah Yeah, no, okay. Yeah, so is that clip AI? Yeah, that's bullshit. Multiple shooters for sure most likely people in the grassy knoll and most likely probably somebody from Where Oswald was as well it might even been Oswald Oswald might have taken a shot as well I saw this video to this thing you can't trust shit these days. No, bro. I swear next year I think next year it'll be when it's like you have to really know what you're watching

I'll have to question everything because now it's fingers text. I can kind of oh, that's a bullshit And also there's a little texture. There's a texture with the AI videos and I'm like, that's AI for now Yeah next year better and better. Yeah, I got a piss. Let's take a leak real quick. No, right? Yeah, I'll take a piss as well but my documentary it's a Great, so we're talking about before. Oh, we just went on the tangent about fucking chemtrails and shit Now I was just telling Jamie about my documentary I said like you should watch it as well I said even if it wasn't about me I'd still recommend it because it was a well-made

Not so sporty sporty films like one of the best pictures. I got sent was this because it was a well-made, not so sporty, sporty film. Like, one of the best pictures I got sent was this lady knitting on a plane and then watching it. And I thought that was like an old lady, not her demographic watching that. And, man, she's watching me through the documentary knitting because it was something that... It was different.

When did they start filming this? They came on board, 2018, we started talking. And then they came on board with their cameras. But Jeff St. Lear, who is my videographer, works for Zuck now, literally does everything. But yeah yeah he had a lot of behind the scenes footage and we just put it all together talking about my kind of rise in this game but also dealing with the I guess the pressures of all this you know because no one there's no book on how to be famous. Right. I had to learn this on my own I had to learn this myself. What was the most difficult part of it for you? For me, I think people. I just didn't expect that. I knew I wanted to be... when you grow up you think I want to be rich and

famous. Like you know the MTV Cribs era, the Pimp My Ride era. I thought yo when I'm rich I'm gonna have seven cars. One for every day of the week. I'm gonna have this many houses. Have real estate now, differently. But also I only need two cars. I'm like, there's all these other stuff that comes through also. I'm not a car person like you, I just like hot wheels. But, but, now I can buy one of them.

Don't you have the McLaren though? Yeah, that's what I'm saying. My best reaction when I wrapped it was, I love seeing little boys be like, when they see it, but now I put it back to black and I'm gonna do something different to it later on with some airbrushing not me my guy Maddie bro but yeah um oh just people there's even a bit in this documentary where they were just filming one day and then

these kids are like they just drove by my house and they beat the horn they kind of gave me a fright and they came to my door and then the camera was filming. So it's in the documentary and I explained to them, oh, that's cool. Let's take a photo. But then it got to a point where it'd be like 9pm, 10pm and then I was still at their home because my house, my front door was accessible to the street That was my first house. I ever bought now David lives there. That's his home, and I live in this fucking complex that has a gate and a code so if you have to get to my front door you have to be there and

Yeah, just dealing with people was the main thing for me because I didn't expect the attention I was getting I was expecting it, but I guess the variable of the unknown so Yeah, I just expecting it, but I guess the variable of the unknown so Yeah, I just had to learn how to protect my energy and protect my some boundaries. Yeah, I mean like today after lunch I I'd say yes to photos, but if I feel like Sam at the airport if I say yes to you've had this before we say Yes to one and people are like, oh he's taking photos and it becomes like a zombie apocalypse and I'm like, you know, I gotta go somewhere So if I tell someone like, you know, I can't right now if I say yes to you

I gotta say oh, please just one and I'm like, it's not just one right? You don't understand Yeah, and then I'm the I'm the asshole but I love my fans I love people actually support me and I try and make time for them But then also I have to make time for me. Yeah, I've been there before where it's pretty much I'm just there and then on my turn my trench Bro, I'm not even having fun. I don't even have kids yet, but when I have kids That's when I'm gonna be like nah Yeah, my youngest daughter won't have it she grabbed me and dragged me away good like when people try to take photographs

She hates it good my middle daughter doesn't it doesn't bother her that much But the youngest daughter she gets fucking angry like they're stealing my daddy's attention for me. Thank you Yeah for me even if I okay When if I go on a date or whatever and someone sees me and tries to take a photo I just go I want her time right now you have to ask her or if I'm with my family I just say no especially when you're sitting down having dinner That's crazy when they come up to the table like come on man get the fuck out of here Social awareness this day and age and everyone ain't know what it's it's funny

I can feel it coming wants to see me because they look like they're about to pull out a gun Right, that's what it feels like every time they do it I'm just like and I say yes to most of it, but there's times I'll say no, so that would be I I'd say, the most difficult thing so far was just dealing with people. But again, I do like people, but also I don't like some people. Some people are just so entitled. Entitled, yeah.

They just come up at you. And it's just like, bro. They feel like you owe them something because they know who you are. I might. You don't even know fans. Sometimes it's this thing where they just see people taking photos.

I want a photo too. Right. I might. You don't even know what I do. But I this thing where they just see people taking photos. I want a photo, too Right. I might you don't even know what I do. But not all can I get one, please? Who are you? Yeah? Oh, yeah I love that. You know why I Like it when someone doesn't genuinely know who I am, but when I'm sorry, I don't know you I'm like, it's okay My name is Israel cuz I got to meet them on a first name basis, right? But one of the best ones and the best replies I gave one time was these three chicks and all two guys, they were just, you know, oh my god, fan, fan, fan. And one of them was like, excuse me, but who are you?

I was like, I don't know. It's always a girl. Yeah. And then she came back again like three more times. She was like, excuse me, but like, who are you? I don't even know who you are. I was like, bitch, I don't know who you are. And then her face was just like, and I just left it alone.

But again, I prefer meeting people on a first-name basis, right? It makes me feel like I get to know you and you get to know me without some Preconceived notion of what you've seen on TV or YouTube. Yeah. Yeah, I love when someone doesn't know who I am now Now it's nice now. I can have a regular conversation with someone and you know, what do you do? Like I'm a comedian. Oh, have you ever been on television? Yeah a couple of times I'll look out for you. Okay, good. No, I like those It's just easy talking to each other real I like what you said protect your energy because that's really what it is

Because if you give up your energy to everyone you will get lost. Yeah, you will get lost I learned that the the week before the Robert Whitaker fight in Melbourne, so I had this epiphany and Then did the fight did well and again, you know how I told you after my UFC debut It was all this attention and stimulus to when I went home boom right and for like a month I just felt sad and I'm thinking like nothing's wrong. I'm so fucking like I should be happy I should be happy right and that's when I started going to therapy. But then I learned through the techniques and tools I've got from that how to protect myself.

So before the rub fight, I felt the same thing again because my girl at the time had to drag me away from the after party because I hid in the after party. I hid in the toilet. I had a drink. Jesus Christ. Put all the seats down, just sat there, and she's like, where are you at?

I'm like, I'm in the toilet. So I just sent her just sat there and she's like, where are you? I'm like, I'm in the toilet. So I just sent her a text and she's like, nah, I'm coming to grab you. So we went to go get ramen somewhere. And then at the hotel before I flew out, I just put out something on my story saying, look guys, I appreciate the love and all that. If you see me, you can come say what's up. But if you come yelling at me, I'm just going to walk away.

It's the yelling thing. And I think that's, that's learned behavior. behavior they say oh my god yeah Joe Rogan I'm a same rhetoric I'm a huge fan I love you since this I've watched you since this and it's the same like bot responses yeah NPC responses and they're yelling but someone just comes up like hey man I'm a big fan do you mind if I take a pic cool let's go and they make it quick. They're ready They're not going off. Excuse me. What are you doing here? Right? I'm just like yo Don't hold me hostage. Let's just go like take the picture

I like those but if we have a genuine connection and I vibe with someone and we end up talking for like five minutes even Better, but you can't try and facilitate that but yes when people come and then they hang around and then they won't leave Yeah, and I'm just don't hold me hostage with your conversation But yeah, it's when people come. And then they hang around. And then they won't leave. Yeah. And I'm just, don't hold me hostage with your conversation. Do you remember the first time you met a famous person? You! I did something real silly. You won't remember this.

And I, this is another one of those things. I can tell you now, because we're boys. But I met you at UFC 192 when Dan for Yeah, and I met you backstage at the winds and then I came to say what's up And then I I did fucking bot shit Then I was like, but do you remember my friend Chris? He took a photo with you and it's a video, huh? And you're like, yeah a lot of people do that Chris he took a photo with you and it's a video huh and you're like a lot of people do that

Next like five hours Why'd you say that ah and I just felt cringe but I got over it eventually but again, it's one of those things that you learn Yeah certain things I learned even with Snoop one time at Staples Center, when it was at Staples Center, I ended up smoking with him. But then I filmed it. And then afterwards, I remember thinking like, why did you do that? You should have just enjoyed the fucking moment. And I cringe at myself when I'm like, ugh, who doesn't want to fucking smoke with Snoop Dogg?

But why did I have to film it so I can show people? Did I post it? I did post it, yeah, of course I posted it. But again, it's one of those things I learned now. So there's people I've met, places I've been now that I just, I enjoyed the experience and it is what it is, I don't need a photo. It's in here, I've taken snapshots.

Well, but you've had those experiences. That's where I give people grace when they're first meeting me. It's like, I get it, I remember the first time I met someone famous It's weird. Yeah, it's a weird feeling. You know, you remember that one. Do you I don't good For the next five hours up to the next day I think the fight to the next day I was just like and I kind of got over it and I just think and I Told Chris when I went home. Yeah, I told him about that and I felt so stupid

But not now it's better because when I meet home, I was like, yeah, I told him about that, and I felt so stupid. It's like, ugh. But I know now it's better, because when I meet people I really appreciate, I don't geek out or what. Even if it's something, I'm just like, yo, that's that person. I kind of birdwatch them. And if they recognize me, one of the coolest ones was Eminem in Saudi Arabia,

because everyone was trying to get a photo. And then my guy, Ike Secure, just goes, hey, Em, Israel, would you like to get a photo? He goes, oh, yo, what's up? And he came and took a photo with me and I out of everyone he liked he let me take a photo with him so I was like he I felt cool cuz it's Eminem right I mean so things like that I'll appreciate in certain moments like that appreciate but I don't I don't force it I don't try to facilitate it I just let it be I just let it be and if I get it cool and I don't need it that's

the thing you don't need to take a photo for everything just enjoy the moment Just enjoy the moment enjoy the interaction enjoy the energy But I understand the weirdness of meeting someone famous because I do remember it It's just it's an odd feeling you don't know what to do you feel weird you say dumb things You don't know why you're saying them, and then you're like what did I just do I'm better now the coolest one I think I had was Trump What was this Vegas at the fights? I haven't even though the clip was one of the UFC sting The documentaries and I someone's oh, yo America's Last Hope. What's up? I dapped them up and Jane is there just smiling and then we're talking

We just dapping up and talking and then enjoy your fight, I enjoyed your fight, this and that, right? And it wasn't weird, because again, I can understand, like I'm meant to be here now. Right. Sometimes I get imposter syndrome sometimes. It still creeps in. I don't know if you still get it. Yeah. It still creeps in, but I know how to identify it now.

Yeah. And I go, right, I'm going to shut it down, like any emotion. But yeah, that was one of the cooler ones I had where I was okay I handled myself well, I wasn't an idiot and many other ones But yeah the ones and there will be more I used to get imposter syndrome so bad Yeah, where I meet people like Mike can't believe you know Who you are you should know me I just said I felt that a little bit yesterday, but I Went to the mothership a little bit. But again, you watch it on YouTube all the time.

You're like, oh my God, me and my wife is like, we're here. This is cool. And then only for a little bit, but I realized I'm meant to be here because everyone's standing around me. I'm kind of having to hold court. But I kind of just want to shut up and just be like, this is cool. Just enjoy. Yeah, but everyone's around me.

And I was just cool. And Iri was the man, bro He's just such a he's a funny dude so tall and talking about kickboxing with him And yeah, well, I'll probably head there tonight. See what's up and I'll try and it's a fun place. No geek out so much. Yeah Play cool play cool That's a fun place. We have so many people roll through too. It's so interesting like all sudden jelly rolls there Yeah, you know now you guys did it man. Like you literally I think it was it wrong white that kind of started the You know the idea and then all of you started to just march to Austin one by one

Yeah, he came here before the pandemic. Yeah, and he was the one who put it in my head because you know, Rom's I fucking love it here. It's easy to travel. I can see why country. It's beautiful place. No traffic people are nice I just came back from LA so the contrast is definitely you can see it. Oh, it's so much better here And it's better for comedy. It's just cuz it's it's the only club in the country that's owned by a comedian Free it's like you can be yourself. There's no executives Yeah, it's just me. I don't even have any partners. So wait, just me Excuse me when you say that you mean like Do people have to pay?

Other comedy clubs to perform there only when you are very very beginning and it's corrupt comedy clubs that you have to pay for stage time Yeah, that's that's not normal That's something take advantage of amateur so they can make extra money so they could justify open mic nights and stuff like that But that's not normal. That's something to take advantage of amateurs so they can make extra money, so they can justify open mic nights and stuff like that. But that's not a lot of clubs. Most clubs, you know, you have amateur nights. They all should have it, but some, we have two nights. We have two nights of open mic nights.

So we just wanna make it a real place where people can develop. From the very beginning, you could do your first set on stage ever at the Mothership and eventually headline there someday. I've seen it. Cam Patterson, some of these guys, they start there and now they just,

killing it. Yeah, hard work. Hard work, just grinding that kids in that club every fucking night. And he's traveling all over the place, all over town, doing different clubs, going on the road. He's making the most of the experience. And for someone like me, just a fan of comedy in general,

it's fun to see the process of them starting up. And then, because I used to listen to Kill Tony, my old job, just so I didn't go postal. I'd just like sit there with my headphones in and the hoodie on just to hide it so they don't know I'm doing it. I'm just like, and then now to see where it's become and then, you know, where on the street is they go coming up and I'm like, oh shit, so it's going to be on there and then it's

going to be even bigger. Yeah. I mean, it's fun to see that. And I've seen a lot of comics like just grow and then seeing the assets develop all that kind of thing. And look, I know how hard it is now, just watching that, because you think, oh, I've made a joke before, I can do it, nah.

And seeing people bomb when Kill Tony, after just 60 seconds, I just like, yeah, nah, fuck all that. I'd fight in front of millions of people, with the stand in front of a crowd, and try and make them laugh. Just that, yeah. It's a weird kind of rejection. Thank you.

That's what it is. It's like oh shit that didn't land. Uh-huh escape escape escape. He's just like nah fuck this shit. But you also see other people can do it so you got to figure out a way to do it and that's part of the challenge of it all. It's why it's so exciting to succeed. Yeah I'll be back to you guys the expert. It's hard you know but it's also fun. I mean, it's the most fun thing to do for a living. And you can do it forever. All the time.

You don't have to rely on your body being fit enough to do it. Fighting is so unique because there's a small window. You have from 18 to maybe 38 if you're lucky. Or you could be a Yoel Romero and compete deep into your 40s, but he's the rarest of the rare, or Bernard Hopkins, you know, world championship level at 50, crazy. But those are the outliers.

For most people, there's a small window. Make the most of it, make as much money as you can. And in MMA, that window's the smallest. It's the smallest of all the combat sports. That even make it to the top. Yeah, man. God, think about how many guys have an amateur fight versus how many guys like make it to just a world title fight Mm-hmm just to fight for a world title and forget about defending the world title

What you've done is like the rarest of the rarest of the rare and then win it back again. Mm-hmm No, it's so rare. Yeah, but I've seen people throughout the walks of life in gyms I've trained at that I'm like, I think you're better than me, but they just never made it. They never got the experience or the exposure. Also, when the lights are on, they shut down. Yeah. And they don't show up.

I'm like, you're better than this. But again. Gym champions. Yeah. Yeah, that's a real thing, man. People that perform so well with no pressure, and then when that pressure's on, they're like 30% of what they are.

You see them make the mental mistakes, you see them rush in, and it's weird. It takes skill to learn how to perform under the lights, but also you have to have that thing. Like you have to know you're that guy, or you have to have that belief in yourself. So again, I'm glad I've done it and I'm glad I'm doing it. But now I'm just like, I just want to fight.

I just want to fight, have fun. And again, it's weird. Like, I just know that fucking gold belt always circles back around. I don't chase it and never have. And I knew it would always be there at some point. But yeah, it will. And in the moment, bro, if I'm not happy with what

I've done in this game what's gonna make me happy right right how could you be exactly exactly you mean think about how many times you defended the title you won the title you beat the greatest guys of your generation how could you not be happy with what you've done already but I still feel great and again it's this is you know when um fighters talk about I lost the belt I felt this pressure lifted whatever I never felt that when I lost it in MSG I was just like I'm gonna fight this guy again I got it back but then when I lost it not to Strickland but ever this last one is the only time when I was just like I didn't like it wasn't a champ I guess but when I when I this last fight was the first time I felt that like

Well, but I still feel like I'm that guy because a lot of people still have that target on my back because I'm Israel I did so yeah, but having to fight for the belt having to fight With that Thing I don't know. This is the first time I've ever felt that where I'm like, man I'm good. So I'm just gonna see what happens. Train, get better, and fight again at some point.

Just concentrate on the task instead of this whole thing of the titles and yeah. Cause I feel like when you have the title, there's all this spotlight on you. There still is a spotlight on me, but it's not the same thing. And now I get to enjoy a little bit more, almost freedom in a sense. Well, I've heard fighters talk about it heaps. So I again for me I never felt it till recently that I'm like, oh I get what they mean now when they talk about the pressure

Pressure still there, but it's not the same and I'm like cool. I got to just fight for me now. I get to have fun Yeah, just I want to try some crazy shit. Like I should want to fight and just do some I want to go back to the way I used to fight when we didn't have so much on our line because it's not just about me it's about the people that are around me that you know I have to not have to but you know like if I do good everybody. You know what I mean? So now that we still do good, we still eat. But it's like, ah, fuck the belt. We'll just have fun. So I just want to go back to having fun.

The way I used to fight when I was a young fucking schizo fritterer who just did shit for fun. Like the fucking Tavares fight. And the round one, I'm like, I'm going to try a Minari roll. See what that does. And I kind of missed it. But yeah, I'm going to bring that back. I kind of see what that does and I kind of missed it. But yeah, I'm gonna bring that back I kind of want to do that that kind of shit again just cuz so do you think that like as the stakes are higher the

Pressure is more and it just restricts your creativity. It restricts your ability to just be loose It didn't at first what the longer you defend the belt it happened to Anderson as well It happened to Anderson as well I saw it cuz I watched Anderson's rise and I saw the even to the point where people wanted him to lose Just cuz he was so great right just and then it's just that natural thing where people build you up cuz they want to tear you Down mm-hmm, and I felt that happened to me as well They're like, oh, we just want to see him lose and when it happened, they're like, yeah, and then when I won it again It's like yeah

And I lost it. I like yeah, so it's just natural It's natural way of I don't know the mob of humans or whatever the fans It's just how it is the Coliseum. Well, there's always a bunch of people that Don't like that. You've accomplished something they will never accomplish Oh, there's always them they yeah And so they do want to watch you fall because it makes them feel better about their lack of success What did Dave say? Someone rejoices when a great man falls. Yeah, it was a great quote. Yeah, the cowards specials the cowards. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's the truth

Yeah, facts. I've seen it. Yeah, I've even felt it as well. Like we're just like I Wonder what will happen if he loses like it'll just shake the whole landscape of things up So you just wonder like I felt it. I think with Floyd I just wonder not that I wanted him to lose cuz I'm a big Floyd fan But I was just like what would happen if he lost this fight and like oh shit, and but that's what makes it exciting You never know, you know, but yeah. Anyway, I'm just here now and I'm just like cool. Let's have fun. Let's fight Let's just get some you know, some good matchups. But again, I'm in a spot. Let's have fun. Let's fight. Let's just get some you know some good matchups, but again I'm in a spot now that you've got

Rob comes out fighting DDP and Sean are gonna fight and I can't think of who else is DDP and Sean set in stone I think it's not set in stone, but it's what they're looking at yeah When is that supposed to take place? Next year sometime, but I'm trying to get something in this year So we'll see there's already a few callouts, you know here and there but cool The guy that just won in France. I forget his name. Did he win them? Not the main event Immenov yeah, he said something and I'm like

We'll see it'll be a good fight. It'll be fun. But again, what has he done? He beat Bryan and Alan You know why and is that five round worthy? Because I'm never doing three rounds again all my fights are probably gonna be fire if I ever do it three round again Fuck, let's go Would you want to? Cuz like there's some three rounders that I feel like we got robbed that it wasn't a five rounder like Saryukian and Charles Olivera. That was a good example of that. Such a crazy fight. Olivera almost caught him a couple times with submissions.

Yeah, man. And lost a controversial decision, like very close decision. And then I feel like you give him two more rounds, who knows what would happen. Another one was Hamzat and Kamaru. Oh yeah. That third round Kamaru was coming on strong. Off the couch as well. Yeah off the couch. 10 days notice. Crazy. Fighting an 85, 170 pound champion right off the

title loss and then you know third round he wins and you're like God what would have happened fourth and fifth. Yeah that's where some people come alive. Especially champions. Yeah yeah I can't do five But again, I say three I just feel like I would fight like Like a bat out of hell I just feel like it would be different but again, it's not even I I do enjoy the the time in the cage But even training for five round fights a lot of people train for three rounds fights But they don't understand everyone wants to be champion so you got to train for five rounds and it's like oh shit. You got to do this shit

You have five rounds of the spider circuit. Oh shit. That's where you find out the men from the boys you separate So yeah, I do like a five round fight and also you don't get better by the round So sometimes fights and like that so yeah, that's up to you Yeah So do you have a timeline of like when you would like to fight again? How many fights you would like to have because I know you're 35 now How long do you think you're gonna do this? I don't know. Like I said, I thought I would be 34 and I'm done with this I always just thought like yeah when I'm 34, I'm done, but then I'm here now and I feel great. So I'm like

Let's see three more years. Who knows? Who knows? Fucking kid might come out of nowhere. I'm like, oh shit, I'm done with this game. Is there any fights that like like Strickland that you'd like to do? Oh, yeah. Strickland and DDP. Strickland won definitely because that fight was not me. And again, I don't make excuses.

It was just another Dave Chappelle quote. You have to realize when it's your time. He's such a fucking philosopher with it, eh? He said something about when it's your time, you have to know when it, and be humble enough to know when it's someone else's. You know what I mean? That was just his week.

That was just his and everything. So I just, you know, his time, let him have it. But I definitely know what I can do. And I took his best shots and I just know like, yeah, I can take this guy. I know what I can do. Not similar to the Pereira one where I was winning, but this one I definitely know what I can do with this guy. What did, so was that one shot that cracked you in that first round that changed the whole

momentum of that fight? Yeah. Straight punches, beat, looping on linear punches. He caught me good. And then the moment I remember thinking like, oh shit, this nigga's hitting me. Oh shit, he's hitting me. And I went to Mark Gutter, like,

you see the picture, like, I'm okay. And then even he told me, my next fight with DDP is like, don't do that, don't have to do that. You just have to find a way out. But he was hitting me and I was thinking like oh shit This is really happening fucking I had to fight out the position and just get back on them But yeah, how much damage did he do in that exchange in that exchange? No, not really much just a one shot. The one shot was one that got me but the rest was just kind of like

Nothing really got through is just a lot of flurries and look violent But that's why I was able to look at mark and be like yeah, we're good But yeah, I'm gonna come back. I see what happens with him and DDP. He could win You know beat him and we almost won the first time. Yeah, it was close. There was close very close Yeah, it was yeah, that was a rough fight even at the end. They were just swinging I was a sad they had nothing left in the tank. Well, see Strickland, it was like, it was all arms. Yeah. There was nothing in the tank. Yeah. They emptied out.

Well, we'll see. We'll see what happens in that fight. And yeah, at the moment, I just, like, I kind of liked the feeling of not knowing cause sometimes people ask, who are you going to fight next? When are you going to fight again? I'm like, I don't know. I'm just chilling. So again, I'm just going to keep training

and sometimes short notice shit happens. You know what I mean? And it's like, well, I'm like I don't know I'm just chilling so again I'm just gonna keep training and sometimes short notice shit happens you know I mean and it's like right well I'm already in shape fuck let's go right yeah but we'll see so stay ready yeah stay ready like I said I've done the testing already and I know where I'm at after this I'm gonna go get some work in and yeah even on the road I love this food there but fuck I know when I get home I'm gonna have to take all this off. I know it will come off because I've got you know good nutritionist now and stuff But yeah, I just try to stay ready. You guys don't have barbecue Oh, yeah, you have like a Terry Blacks in New Zealand. Yeah, they have just even the food there

I think the quality is different. Also, I try to stay off Uber eats as much as possible now I have Matt cooking for me So if I want something I'll see something on the reels Matt can you please make this he'd be like, yeah cool boom and he'll just make that night And you know, I can make it in it. Yeah in camp. It'll be healthy. But right now I can stretch my legs a little bit Add some cheese whatever but um, yeah Just stay ready. That's the main thing just stay ready your camp that city kickboxing gym is what a fucking gym

that is like there's so many killers coming out of that and Olberg now on the rise yeah god damn that dude's good yeah there's so many poof yeah he's so tall and dangerous there's so many good fighters coming out of there now even recently we had Cam, Aaron Toe and then Navajo fight on the contender series Navajo was the only one to get a contract he got it with the hook actually I don't know if you saw that fight I didn't yeah Navajo Sterling he knocked out the guy in the second round so now he's in the UFC he got a contract and he's gonna fight this year I think in December so he's already in camp for his next fight because he was kind of fresh coming off that fight so yeah he's another guy that

that's him yeah the guy in the red big nav boom and they set him up boom boom out and the guy I fought was tough to Came strong in the first front, but Navajo was able to put him away another king in the ring champion as well I think he's two-time king in the ring champion. What way is that light heavyweight? Damn, that's a big fellow. So he's a guy my Miami fight with parada. He helped me a lot Ben Jones, they helped me a lot with the looks, you know But yeah, he he's just a fucking me a lot with the looks you know but yeah he he's just a fucking savant the next level kickboxer but knows how to grapple he looks at shit downloads it

drills it and he's using it on you straight away or the next day it's just one of those guys and he loves to fight he's a guy who just stays in the gym stays ready like I say he's got a fight already locked in even loss has got a fight was the mayor fighting all the mayor in Macau you know what's his name no time yeah yeah that's a good fight I like that for Carlos who else yes so I like the gym the way it's growing even on the local scene as well you have a lot of guys who are just coming up in the local scene and they're looking at us because of what we've done. No government funding, no backing from the sports, what do you call it, New Zealand.

They try to stifle us during COVID, you know, moving the goalposts or you can quarantine in the gym. Okay, now you can't quarantine in the gym. We're sneaking around trying to find places to train. They're following us with reporters, taking photos, putting us in the papers, making us look bad. We're disobeying the law. Think about your grandma, all that kind of stuff. So yeah, we've done it our own way. And we're still, I thought we're still one of the best gym if not the best gym in the world. That's why I'm there. Only reason I'm in

New Zealand is because of city kickboxing. If not for that place, I definitely would still be there to see my family, but I would have probably moved all over the place. Like Melbourne, I definitely would have lived in Melbourne for a while. Like Melbourne, I love Melbourne, Australia. Canada somewhere. Melbourne's great. Yeah, Melbourne. I just like the culture, the food.

Even here in Austin. Australia and New Zealand just have such restrictive laws. Yeah. And the government has such control over people. And I didn't realize it until the pandemic. Yeah. And then I was like Jesus Christ. That's why I got to play the game Joe. I play the game as a sense like it's almost egotistical in the sense the rules are there for a reason and I am a law abiding citizen but sometimes there's certain things where I think like

The laws doesn't apply to me, you know what I mean? That's why I don't follow politics I only ever voted recently in New Zealand because of the fucking referendum. They were gonna make marijuana illegal I was like, okay that applies to me. I'll vote for that So that what do you call it one policy voters or whatever the other laws and stuff? I'm like man unless if it's something crazy like someone decides all we're gonna tax the rich 50% of their money that I'm like that applies to me then I'll vote so when I say the law doesn't apply to me It's in the sense of like I don't really care about what their policies are, you know so yeah, that's how I live and I'm able to travel a lot which I'm grateful for but

Yeah, if it wasn't for CKB, I definitely would have left NZ, or maybe traveled more, checked out Europe, or shit like that, but right now, as I'm fighting, maybe after fighting, I will. New Zealand is beautiful. Oh, it is. Beautiful spots to live. I like the pace. I do like the pace.

And again, I like watching America and the rest of the world from New Zealand, because it's just like this little corner of the world just like chilling and just, oh yeah, Kiwi, mate, g'day. You know, and then, yeah, just see what happens in the rest of the world. And we still get a lot of things happening culturally that are relevant to the world, but yeah,

I definitely want to travel after fighting. And I get to travel, like I'm in the fucking Austin, Texas now, you know, talking to you. After this I'm going to New York. Yeah, I'm sure I'll, Texas now, you know talking to you. I thought where was I after this I'm going to New York Yeah, I'm sure I'll be somewhere else on the planet at some point but Yeah, what do you think you want to do when this is over? So I have a plan in place because I know me I'm an adrenaline junkie. So I know I'll need something every like maybe thrice a year

Where I feel like I'm gonna die. So one of my plans I get it. That's why I have a McLaren and you know, I've you know, never crashed it. Amen But um, yeah, so for me like I what I skydive twice already in the last year That was fun. So again, if I said, okay, I'm done fighting now, then okay, they're running with the bulls, cool. Let's do that, and I'll just train for that. And then when it's time, I'll go to Spain or whatever and get ready for that and then go run with the bulls.

Cool, that's good. Really? Yeah, that'll be fun. It's dangerous, you could die. Yeah, but that's a dumb way to die. Yeah, dumb ways to die. There's many fighting the dumb way to die too. But it's glorious. It's a glorious way. Getting stomped to death by a bull is not a good way to die. Yeah, but I mean, what are the, what do I have? So what's another one? Okay, let's say I go to the outback go learn

No To jump on a crocodile and save it from so I don't know there'll be something I'll find things I'm there's always something I'll find something to do that. I'll make me feel like I'm my life is in danger So you feel like you're gonna need that forever? Cuz if not, you just fall a lot of guys They come back and fight again because they missed that oh You know that guy I was that guy and those especially who never made it to the pinnacle or what they wanted to do Then they still have that

Dissatisfaction and then they come back to try and reclaim that glory. Yeah do it for less money and Then they fall short they become journeymen money and then they fall short they become journeymen become alcoholics drug addicts you know shit like that so I don't want to also who knows I my main thing though is definitely start a family that's one thing I want to do after fighting it'll happen I'm not I don't go looking for that shit because when you do you find the wrong thing mm-hmm and I've made that mistake before we're gonna make that mistake again. So I know that happened for me and when it does, I'm gonna be a great dad. You can't convince yourself that it's

good. You gotta ask to be good. Oh yeah, facts. There's a lot of people that want a great relationship so they talk themselves into one and the next thing you know you're with some girls going through your phone. I got talked into one, that's the thing so now I'm like okay bet when I talked into one. I'll just you know when you fall in love you just Such a lover is also soft side, but I learned my lesson and Again, it's one of those things you just have to go through and I'm grateful for the experience I'm grateful that I did because now I know exactly what not to do next time so that's why I don't look I'm single because I just enjoy myself I enjoy not being responsible for someone else's emotional state you know she has a fighter because you know you know this

you know fighters when they have to deal with shit yeah before a fight before the cost of fight the shit I had to deal with oh my god and I was quarantining at the gym as well so that kind of stuff I before a fight, before the cost of fight, the shit I had to deal with, woo! It was, oh my god, and I was quarantining at the gym as well. So that kind of stuff I don't wanna deal with, I just wanna focus on me. There's a problem that girls, when they think that you're busy with something else

and you don't care about, you're not paying attention to them, they're not your primary focus. Gotta be the center of your world. They get very upset. I've seen guys where they're getting ready for a fight and their girl starts fights with them as they're weighing in. Not that bad.

At least she knew better. But still, it's just, look, it's more about also don't try and compete with your husband or your boyfriend. With me, you'll lose. It's not like, in a sense, this is what I do for a living. You don't have to try and compete. It's not like in the sense like this is what I do for a living You don't have to try and compete, you know Right It's weird like when someone tries to compete with their person or whatever

I know it's nuts Yeah This is meant to be a partnership Right the intimate person in your life wants you to fail because they're competing with you They want to get over on you But thing is what's good for me is good for us. What's good for you is good for us Right If you're a team so. If you're a team.

So again, if you're a team, I'm learning and I'm not looking because I think that ship sailed in the sense like, when I look at someone like say, even Akana with D. Devlin, that's fucking cool. I love that. She's still with him to this day. They've got how many kids together. That's cool. Regardless of what the state of the relationship is now,

it's like, look, she was with him when he was no one, and she believed in him. That kind of stuff is rare these days. When I see it in other people, I'm just like, right, they still loving the air, Joe. It's still out there. Sometimes it works. Yeah.

It can work, but boy, you gotta find the right person. No, they gotta find you. Yeah. I'm gonna look it, yeah. Something has to happen. I'm not looking. I'm just chilling. I actually got on the hinges the other day,

just for fun in LA. I was like, let me see, I hate these apps. I don't chilling. I actually got on Hinge the other day just for fun in LA. I was like, let me see, I hate these apps. I don't use those. I try to get on Ryan. They still have me on the fucking waiting list for fucking the last two years. I'm like, my life's not cool enough. Oh, that's hilarious.

But I went on Hinge in LA just to see what's up, but it was just funny. It was just funny to see the experience. I had a couple of interactions. It was cool. But I was like, ah, this is what people do now. It felt like the questionnaire to get on hinge I thought it was gonna be like this thing cool cool cool put some pictures up

I'm like am I trying to do adoption or some shit? What is this and what is your primary focus and I'm like I spent like 20 minutes doing the whole thing So it's up now. I still have it on in Austin. I'm like, ah, that's. Just for fun, for the lulz. Cast a line out there for the lulz. Just for the lulz. Yeah, easy. Well, you know, you have to protect your time. That's the problem.

It's like, you only, especially when you're doing something like fighting, there's, the amount of time and dedication that's required to be at your very best is insane, and there's nothing like it. There's nothing like it, even in sports. If you're a basketball player, you have to play basketball, you have to practice,

but there's a lot more free time. A lot more free time and it doesn't drain your body the way fight training does. The consequences is different. Right. It's like after a game of rugby or whatever, cool. I don't know how the fucking, the brackets work or whatever even a basketball football soccer But then you get to play the next day or the next not the next day sometimes the next week

You know fighting it's not always like that And also if you get hurt you get hurt battling you Suspension six months and you have to wait and then if you don't if you're not strong mentally I've seen people break Yeah, I've seen them break in this it's like fuck come on man. You can you're better than this so yeah for me fighting takes everything It takes everything and I've done well in this game and sometimes in the beginning I Didn't give everything so that's why now that I'm at this age. I'm like yo Give everything so that way when I that I'm at this age I'm like yo give

everything so that way when I'm done I just know I did everything I could to be the best and I was and I'm proud of myself so I'm yeah I'm still here man I'm still like I said I'm not fighting for you know a belt or anything anymore that'll come around when it does but it's just I'm just fighting just cuz I I have a submission is more worthy to me does but it's just I'm just fighting just cuz I Bro a submission is more worthy to me than a third belt like I'm gonna get that. Yeah, I'm gonna get that It's gonna and I'm not gonna look for it It's gonna present itself and I'm gonna get it and I'd be like right I take that off cool cuz I've done a lot of cool shit in this game

It's more like just the highlights and I just know I can so that's that's more Worthy to me at the moment and that's like I can so that's that's more worthy to me at the moment and that's like a maybe ego thing or personal thing but yeah that's just me though. Do you have a timeline on how much longer you want to fight for? Like I said right now I say three years but I'll be 38. That's probably the end yeah where guys can compete at the high like Jared Cannon here got to like 38, 39, he started to fall off a little bit and the last two fights he's lost.

I think GSB stopped just around there as well, 37 maybe. When he fought Bisping? Yeah, but who knows, that's what I'm saying. It's like I feel, I don't think I'm gonna fight at 40. I don't think, I think that's not me. I'll be, I'll be, nah. Even for me as a person, I'm like nah, I'd rather be doing something else

But 38 right now is in my head who knows fucking 36 37. I'm just like right Peace I'm out. I'm spontaneous like that, but I think 38 39 but let's see 30. Let's see what happens first, but at the moment. I'm still here Do you have any thoughts of things to do other than things for adrenaline? Oh yeah. Like to do with your time? Apart from raising a family, production. I definitely want to have my own production company and do stuff like a couple of acting things of course because they've already come up and I turned them down because of this game. I was like you know you have to give everything to this game. I don't want to spend three months somewhere filming, right?

You know, this kind of stuff. But definitely motion capture. Definitely want to do that. You know, what's his name? The guy that did Andy Serkis, Planet of the Apes, Gollum, Caesar. He's one of the best at it. And I see the way he works and operates. And I just I know I can do that.

I can learn. And I'm very coachable that I can learn and I'm very coachable I can learn stuff like that voiceover work with some cartoons or animes or whatever video games motion capture stuff I'd like to I have my own ideas of things I want to bring to fruition but I don't necessarily have the skills even though I was doing computer graphic design for about three years I knew how to make a red ball bounce in Maya the 3d program that was my biggest achievement in that but I can partner up with someone on studio and just bring my ideas to life if they like it like I learned how to write a script maybe so I

can present it properly also fuck all this shit with AI I might just be able to do it I in two years and be like right Boom and if it hits it hits if it sucks cool do it again at the drawing board, but yeah A lot of things a lot of things I already have like again shots of my pops My pops is the is a real OG because he helped me just Triple and quadruple my money. Yeah, cuz if I didn't have him I definitely would end up as and quadruple my money. Yeah, cause if I didn't have him, I definitely would end up as one of those sad stories. I feel just cause of who I am as a person,

I feel like I would have ended up as one of those sad stories cause of the trust I have in people. So I'm glad I have my dad around just to like, just make sure things are cool. There's always vampires, right? There's always vampires. It's just human nature. It's human nature I'm sure you have it as well on the way up and even now I'm sure you have it as well

But they always they come out the woodwork and it's like let me see but then my dad's able to tell this is legit This is shit. Oh, let me have a look at this first. He goes through every contract I Can read but sometimes cuz I'm just, I read really slow, or I just lose focus and shit like that. Especially contract shit. That's very difficult to really absorb. There's no pictures. It was just fucking words. You need an animated contract.

Ha ha ha. Make me a fucking cartoon that explains what happens if everything goes wrong with me crying or no money or me living in a palace with a bathtub filled with gold yeah but i just get like unless it it's something maybe fiction that entices me and i can really go deep but i like reading comics and shit like that but a contract is just detailed but there's one person on this planet I trust that wants the best for me as my father.

That's a great thing to have. Amen. Because even I've said this, guys like Habib, rest in peace to his pops, he had him in his corner. Michael Jordan, he had his dad in his corner, on the court. My dad is in my corner, but that's on the stuff that really matters outside the cage in life.

Like, I'm, when I talk about imposter syndrome I'm like, how the fuck do I have this many houses? Right. I'm doing well, cool. I know I'm, I'm adulting but that's cause of my pops and I learned the game through him but the details of the game I still don't know yet. So after this I'll have more, I guess, input in the sense that, okay, this and that and this is what this means

and that, you know, with the property values and whatnot. I try not to get too much into it, because right now all I can focus on is this, fighting, the main thing. If I don't have this, then yeah, I can definitely tap into all that kind of stuff. But now I'd rather just focus on this and let my dad handle it.

So again, I'm grateful grateful so grateful that he's around and he's the one that's helped me get to this point because a lot of people don't even have their dad in their lives you know and I'm glad I do yeah it's overall it seems like you're in a real good place I am so yeah I am look this is life yeah you know how it is ups and downs smiles and frowns But right now where I'm at, I'm in a good place way better place because again like people the thing I did like I Appreciate it after my last fight people come up be like hey man. That was a great fat last fight. Yeah, you did well This is a model. Thank you. But when people come because I was at the buffet in Perth and some guy came up to me just like

when he would come, because I was at the buffet in Perth, and some guy came up to me just like, hot luck mate. I was like, what? Like he wanted to feel sorry for me. I was like, nah, get your fucking shit off me. I'm like, I'm good. I'm like, bro, if you knew how much I made from this fight, you wouldn't even feel sorry for me.

But some people don't know how to react, so they come like, hot luck. Well, they were rooting for you, and they feel bad. I know, but I like to, again, I don't fault how to react so they come like, ah, I'm not good. Well they were rooting for you and they feel bad. I know, but I like to, again, I don't fault them for it because they don't know what to say, but the ones that come up are like, bro, that was a mean fight, man, you almost had him, but that was a fucking good fight.

I'm like, thank you, I felt good in that one. It's a different look on two different, on the same thing. It's like, some look at it with like, yay, and some look at it with that. But I'm in a better place because again this isn't everything fighting is not everything in my life I've lost many times of out of fighting you know and I've come back I've lost in fighting many times and I've come back so for me right now where I'm at in life I'm enjoying it I'm enjoying the ride and yeah I look forward to the future I look forward there's a thought that some people have that in order to be at your best it has

to be everything. You have to live and die by your performances and when your performance sucks you have to suffer until you get a good one. Nah, that's not for me. I've been there before and it's not for me. Everyone is different and I understand that when it's like because even when I was on top of the world you know like number one and this and that it never defined me. I never let it define me. I always knew I was Israel Adesanya before and after the belt. I'm still me no matter what they're still gonna be trying to fight me because they want to have Israel Adesanya on their record you know they want to they want to fight me they don't want to fight the champ

like people will probably even pick a fight over me than DDP or maybe not because probably easier fight they think but still like I'm me and that's never ever gonna change that's never ever gonna change as long as I stay true to me yeah and I look if this game was gonna change me, if money was gonna change me, it would have done it ages ago. A lot of zeros ago. But I've always been this guy with or without money. You can ask anyone who really knows me, they'll tell you, oh yeah, that's the same dude I was dancing with back in the day. Still the same goofball, keeps the same energy. But now that I'm

here, I just have a lot more freedom to do things that I wanna do than I'm grateful for. But yeah, I even look forward to seeing who I become next year, like who I evolve into next year. Because again, I am me, but learning. These things I'm gonna learn about myself. I'm sure you have this as well, Jamie has this. We all have this, we just figuring out who we are.

What are you now, 57? No way. Yeah. Yeah, so you're still learning. You're never gonna stop. You never stop learning. When you do, you're gonna die. Yeah, facts.

Yeah, life is an experience. And people have like this number thing in their head, oh, by 30 you should know this. Some people, some people know. Some people don't learn until they're 40. Some people never learn. I thought I was gonna be married with two kids at 23 Wow He could have been yeah, if I zigged when you could have said yeah, I'm glad I said I

Glad I said that one that was so long ago, and I was again I'm soft, bro. I'm surprised I'm fucking great at this, this fighting shit. Like, I'm soft. You, bro, do you see some idiot try to step me out? Do you ever see that? No, what happened? Some, so, this is two weeks, three weeks ago.

I had a great, great day at training, morning. Went to the shop to get a pie, and I just thought you know people were just showing love I'm just hey, what's up, so I'll take a picture cool cool cool cool cool And then one guy just pulls up and goes yo Izzy. Let's go one outs. I'm like Not though like bro. This is stupid. I was like outs What is our one outs in New Zealand slang like 101 like one outs? Let's go, and I was like this this is silly, like what the fuck? And I just started laughing and I said,

bro, I get paid millions for this, I'm not gonna whoop your ass for free. And then he kinda go angry and he stuck at the lights, it's green, people are honking, driving around them. And I'm laughing, walking away with my pies in my hand. I remember just looking like, what the fuck? And I grabbed my car door and I went. And that pissed him off. Then he drove and then parked And I grabbed my car and I went... And that pissed him off.

Then he drove and then parked in front of my car and I was like, okay, took my watch off and I told the guy, can you please call the cops? And I'm glad only one person actually decided to help. Oh, I did see the video of that. I saw just a small clip of it. I didn't know exactly what was going on. Just an idiot.

But again, I'm glad, this is the day and age of people just boom, cameras out. Because everyone who was around, everyone got the cameras out. There was only one guy who used his phone to call the cops when I asked him. Because I didn't want to hurt this guy. And this guy, I don't know if he was going through something

or he was maybe cracked out or something. Because even the guy, the video that came out, it seemed like it was set up because the guy kept on going. And I'm like, what are you trying to say? And I I'm glad I Like I said, I'm soft. I have patience and if I had a bad day might have been different I like to say that because the freedom of thought but also my friend You know fall vacay got killed by senseless street violence. This is something that we've talked about even in the film

it was something that we all had to go through because he got hit with a coward punch and then hit the ground and then boom, he's in a coma for about two weeks and then eventually they have to pull the plug. As I'm talking to this guy, at one point I go, bro, I don't know you. Like, whatever has happened, I don't fucking know you.

I'm sorry. And he's like, yeah, talk to me nicely, bitch. I'm like, and I started getting angry and then go to the point I spat at him and now that was me like I Hoped he did something and then I'm like right I'm taking this guy out But then when I spat at him he just looked down and kept on talking and I realized you're not about this life I'm not gonna spend the next 10 minutes talking and Remember to this guy elevates him in his mind exactly. Oh, he took a shirt off at the end I got on my car. I was driving off. He had a shirt off flexing like what bitch what?

He's crazy person so for me again, that's why I say I'm soft and I had to I had to really hold myself back I don't know. I'm sure you know it tries you anymore Of course, they'd fucking be stupid to try boy. I was thinking no one would try me anymore because back in the day someone would try me. I'm like, bro. Bro, people were trying Chuck Liddell in his prime and he was a complete psychopath. Try that to Dan Hooker.

Dan would not have the patience that I have. Dan would fucking instantly demolish that guy. But again, I just don't want to do something because if you breached the line Yeah, I was within range and within my rights to strike him because I feel like what happened with your friend If you knock that guy out and he bounces head out That was what was going through my head. Yes, and also we started this charity walk without fear and I'm glad nothing happened I'm glad I was patient because

Now that video can be used because we're trying to change the laws. Look, the guys that killed my friend when we were in lockdown, they were on home detention. So they're free now. They're walking free enjoying their life and my friend is dead. They didn't get convicted. I think one of them did but the rest of them they had home detention. The ones that actually even helped they got home detention and I think one of them did but the rest of them they had home detention the ones that actually even helped They got home detention and I think for a year and a half so six months of that home detention

we all did it together in lockdown, so what kind of punishments that you get to sit at home and watch Netflix and My friend's daughter has to grow up without a father You know for nothing just cuz ego alcohol drunk this and that so again. I'm glad I'm soft, and I don't like I don't like confrontation. I don't but when it's time to get down. I will get down and I've put it out enough like I want to protect my boundaries and shit like that But I don't ever want to be put in this position where someone tries to set me up Just so they can make money off me But there will be a point if someone tries me enough that

I'll have to definitely defend myself and there's no fucking referee in a street fight that's gonna drag me off of a person in that I see red bro not that shit Not that shit. Bro, that's your own blood. I see red. You should see clearly. That's a ridiculous thing. That's your own blood.

Yeah, it's stuff for me. I've never heard anybody say, I see red and it worked out well. But yeah, I'm glad it worked out well for me and I spared a life that day because if not it would have been really bad and then I might not be here. I might be in the fucking cell somewhere They might try to make an example out of you. They will yeah, especially if you killed somebody Oh, I know these these motherfuckers in NZ like the bureaucrats. They don't like people like me They don't like people like me who was outspoken right who was not a quintessential Kiwi

You know I mean the guy that just keeps quiet and yeah, you know follows the rules just very just very humble like You know what I mean? The guy that just keeps quiet and yeah, you know, Follows the rules. Just very humble. Like fake humility is something I've never been. Like I know humble is or what it is for real because I deal with that every day. I fucking spark Carlos Navajo. I grow with Dan. I get humbled every fucking day.

So I know what real humility is. But for me to try and like let the world know I'm humble just so I seem like I'm humble, that's that fake shit and I'll never be that. And when I see it, I cringe because I'm like, I know, I know you. Right. It's like, nigga, I know you. We've done things. So when I see people do that, I'm like, just be real, you know? So yeah, I try to keep it real as always.

But again, like I said, I'm soft, but sometimes, you know. It yeah, I try to keep it real as always. But again, like I said, I'm soft but Sometimes you know, it's a real challenge to be yourself Yeah kind of attention and pressure that you get the magnifying glass of the world and I would never change I'll never not express myself the way I always do but Sometimes the world is trying to put you in a box and be like this is this is what you're meant to be This is who you're meant to be. I'm like,'m like that's always weak people that want to do that bro Like what was the one I put up the other day because I was I was there was a scene from my movie I was getting my nails done. I was doing some drip tips and then I put a clip next to it where cam goes

Well, I'll be wearing pink my whole life niggas been saying I'm gay, bro If you think I'm gay bring your mother around I fucking love that. I was like yes, cuz again, I don't care. It's never been an issue for me I think people think cuz I never flexed my Girlfriends or anything online. They're like not definitely this guy's sus also cuz I'm nice Being a nice person makes you sus yeah, cuz I'm not a dickhead you sus, that's hilarious. Being a nice person makes you sus. Yeah, because I'm not a dickhead. So silly.

But I can be a dickhead, I have been a dickhead in the past, but again, I'd rather, I was raised right. My family actually, my mom and dad raised me with good morals, and yeah, I treat people with respect. And even if I don't get it back, it's like, cool, whatever, but yeah, people expect you to be this kind of, because you're often like when there's, oh man, you're a lot different

than I thought you would be in person. Or well, you're not trying to fight me, so no. You know what I mean? People expect you to be some type of way, or ah, I thought, you know. Hard. Yeah, or even an asshole. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Look, there's people you can find who be like, yeah, he's an asshole. And I was like, well, yeah. But who are you? Yeah, exactly, I was an asshole. To you? Yeah, exactly. yeah. But who are you? Yeah, exactly. I was an asshole. To you? Yeah, exactly. But you're an asshole.

So I had to be an asshole to get you to fuck away from me. Facts, facts. Yeah. I'm fine with that now. Because back in the day when I first came into the game, I always felt like I had to, with every fan, I had to put on the song and dance. Oh, hey, how's it going?

How are you? But sometimes I might be at a four or a five at energy level. So if someone pulls up on me, I'm just like, yeah, cool, I might be at a four or five energy level. So if someone pulls up on me I'm just like yeah cool. Let's take a picture But I don't have to hammer it up right to make them feel like this is a great experience Oh, he's such a nice guy. It's like Bro the day my cat died

I was pumping gas and the guy tried to take I try to make me talk to his cousin on the phone and I said No, and he's like, oh all good and I felt bad and I was like, give me the phone and I'm there with the phone and I said no and he's like oh all good and I felt bad and I was like give me the phone and I'm there with the phone pumping gas and I went bro no phones I get the fuck away cuz I but I did that cuz I felt bad that he I didn't talk to his cousin on the phone while I'm pumping gas so what happened if something happened and boom oh what cuz I wanted to talk to this guy's cousin on the phone cuz he saw me at a gas station while I'm pumping gas So when I talk about protecting my boundaries It's just about time and place and approach like yeah people not and

I've put that out enough where I feel like people do respect it now But some people still think I hate fans or whatever But I'm like that's what you think if that's what you got for my message then cool You think that but it's about protecting my energy and protecting my boundaries I don't think they'll ever understand what it's like to be a person like you. Yeah. Yeah being the spotlight Yeah, and so again they feel like you have this advantage It's privilege that no one else gets so they think that you owe them something you owe them your time. I Bro, I'm a fan. I pay for your pay-per-view. You know, you're just talking shit

Yeah, or not all the ones that is when to come bro. I bet on your fight a I'm like, yeah Fuck you multi cuz again, I put my life on the shit every time I step in there I put my life on the line, but they will never understand that they'll come and tell me like yeah, but one time This is years ago and the club and guys showed me a betting slip. I was like and This is after a yarn fight. He showed me a betting slip. I was like and this after a yarn fight He showed me a bit of my cool Like what do you expect me to do? Give you a refund? Fuck you. So I can't respond. Yeah, you think I wasn't trying to win if you ain't got it like that

Yeah, don't put your money up, right? I only gamble with money that I'm I'm gonna lose or I for I can afford to lose but again Yeah, I'm fucking gambling with my life, right? I'm trying to win and then something back happened. I'm not here again I can afford to lose. But again, yeah, I'm fucking gambling with my life. I'm trying to win. And then something bad could happen and I'm not here again, you know? So yeah, people are weird and I love people. Like I always say this,

there's something about every group of people on this planet that I love, including my own. And there's something I hate about every group of people on this planet. I love, including my own. And there's something I hate about every group of people on this planet. Just little things, little things that just annoys me. I'll say like, okay, Nigerians, I hate how the elders sometimes confuse respect with fear. Cause that's how I grew up.

They confuse respect with fear. And I've had to deal with that, you know? I'm not gonna say anything else about anyone else cause they know it's like they know so Israel hates these people or whatever but again I love people but at the same time they're taking advantage the fact you're being respectful I love me first I know what you're saying I gotta put me first yeah you have to if you don't know what he else will facts yeah after bro well listen brother I think the way you handle

yourself and the way you communicate and the way you're honest and just you can be yourself, it's a great example to other people, especially young fighters that are coming up and trying to figure out how they're going to manage this. And if they get ever be so fortunate, they get to a position like yourself, you've got, you gave them a little roadmap, you know, and I think that's a beautiful gift to give people to understand an understanding of how an intelligent Sensitive person deals with this crazy position in life. Mmm. Thank you actually hit. Thank you so much No, yeah, I could say the same about you what you've done

Everything from Dave Dawson's I've met you that you don't remember and I'm glad you don't remember So now even being friends with you, I like being friends with you and also I don't remember and I'm glad you don't remember to now even being friends with you. I like being friends with you and also I don't, cause you still have a job to do and I never want to put you in a compromised position. I always still have to respect you and what you do and I still kind of keep my distance a little bit but I always respect and appreciate every time that we've interacted or hang out

and you know who you are as a person. So thank you. I appreciate you brother. Thank you brother. Thank you. Love you man, you're the fucking man so thank you. I appreciate you brother. Thank you brother. Thank you. Love you man. You're the fucking man. Let's go.

All right. Let's wrap it up. What else? Watch Style Bender on Prime. Watch it. Apple TV. There it is. Bang!

Beautiful. Awesome. All right. Thank you so much. Thank you. I appreciate it brother. Thank you. Bye everybody. Thanks for watching!