The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #169 - Protect Ya Neck

Episode Date: August 14, 2025

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It's just like getting pulled over by the cops The window rolls down What the fuck are you doing? Shit. Joe, I took one hit of that shit Actually, it was strong as hell. I feel high already. That's good for you, dude.

It's good for you. It opens your mind. It's the right stuff. Yeah, there's some talk about Trump legalizing marijuana now. That would be amazing. It kind of feels like it is legal right now. Well, it should be. It's so stupid.

I can't believe we're still dealing with this. I mean, I would have thought by the time, I just turned 58. I would have thought by the time I'm 58, we would have figured this out. Can I tell you, when I, with my ulcerative colitis, we always thought with my ass for some reason. But with my ulcerative colitis, after my colonoscopy one time, the doctor's like, well, there's this pill you could take. It could affect your liver, but not for many years. Like, not for.

Now, this was when I was like 39. I'm 51 now. I'd be going to Columbia for stem cells for my fucking liver at this point. So what I do is the natural stuff, and it does help me. It just helps, and I don't have to, that's not fucking with my liver. It would take the point. place of so many different pharmaceutical drugs, and that's a big part of the problem. The other part of the problem is the alcohol industry.

Oh, yeah, that would suffer for sure, right? Yeah, and they've done studies. They know. Yeah. They lobby. They work on it hard. They do not want marijuana becoming legalized in the whole nation. Alcohol is way worse.

Way worse. An age-old conversation, but... Well, the real big problem is who's selling if it's illegal? The cartel. That's right. You know, I've talked about this before. If you've heard it before, I'm sorry. But there's a guy named John Norris, who's been on the podcast before, who was a game warden.

He wrote a book called Hidden War. He was a game warden in California. You know, just a guy who checks fishing licenses and shit. He loves the woods, loves being outdoors. Oh, he came on the shit. And he came upon a fucking cartel growop in the middle of the national forest. And then they realize, oh, no, this is what they do. They go deep into the woods in public land, and they set up a growop.

And they got fucking A-Ks and they got, you know, the Virgin Mary photos, what they pray to at night. It's crazy. Like, full-on campsites filled with cartel dudes. They started turning into a tactical team. So this guy had to get Belgian Malamois and bulletproof vests and they're getting shootouts with the cartels in the middle of the woods. I thought he was signing up to be a park ranger and he's out there. No shit. Yeah, yeah.

Hear people's fish stories. Like, how did you get this one? You know, no. He's fucking getting shootouts. Because it's illegal. Damn, with the cartels. So when California made their laws where you could have legalized recreational marijuana, what they also did was if you grow it illegally, it's only a misdemeanor.

So the cartel could just grow illegally. It's a misdemeanor. And if they catch people that are illegals up there, they don't do shit. So it's the perfect spawning ground for cartel grow-ops. And what he was saying at the time he was here, which was a couple of years back, But he was saying that it was as much as 80% of the marijuana, I think, that was the number in the country, in places where it's illegal, is coming from these dudes. And they're using all these crazy pesticides and herbas that are totally illegal, fucking super toxic shit, shit that's outlawed on farms in America. But it's effective.

And so they're using it. So you're getting this weed that's infected with these pesticides and herbists. There's no rules, man. It's illegal weed. If they had it legal, you could have inspectors who could check the fucking factory, the farms and the factories. It'd be just like alcohol. If alcohol was illegal, we'd be fucked. We'd be drinking moonshine.

No one would, you know what I mean? Yeah, no doubt. Fuck a nice glass of wine. You're drinking fucking straight up alcohol, nasty shit, because that's all that's available. And that's what people are doing right now. It's dumb. It empowers the people that are criminals. Well, you said it before, it's the money.

100%. They're going to affect the big pharma, and we all have seen, you know, from COVID what the hell kind of power big pharma has. Yeah, they're worried about it, but I think the alcohol people are worried more. The alcohol people got us twice. They were fighting. Remember they fought MMA hard, too, Budweiser was. Oh, yeah. Because of boxing, you know.

Yeah. Kind of crazy. The Bud Light became a sponsor after years later. How long did the prohibition last for a while? Prohibition on alcohol, that's a good point. I think it was 10 years. Was it 10 years, Jamie? Must have been a rough fucking 10 years.

Bro, it had to be crazy. Yeah, right? But that's where the organized crime got out of their money. 13 years. Yep, that's where Nash... 13 fucking years. For 13 fucking years, alcohol was illegal in this country. You know how crazy that is?

A grown man telling you you can't have a drink. Right. Who the same thing? Same thing what a smoke? What's the problem with that? Exactly the same thing. It's weird. Exactly the same thing.

We're just delusion. about it and we put it under the label drug which is alcohol alcohol is a drug dummy everything's a drug there's a lot of drugs caffeine is a drug yeah exactly we're drinking espresso you just stop it it's just knowing how to use each drug and the only way you know how to use it is if people are honest and if they do studies you have actual

scientists who aren't being paid off to come up with some sort of negative or positive result you know that's what it's supposed to be yeah for all of us it's all just fucking co-opted by money you know they have enforced it never heard that maryland didn't inform what's good so you get a drunken maryland shout out to baltimore state by way how crazy is that right also home of ground control yeah yeah hey guys i guess i miss the memo matt sarah this was a totally organic move i know

totally we didn't talk about this at all well i saw matt were his last time and i said Well, that's it. The green light, I'm shamelessly self-promoting. And then Dean came down. I got a motherfucker. He goes, I got to represent. And then you came in with it. So, the early organic. I love it. I know. That's crazy. I feel like I'm left out of the loop here. I know. I wish we had some extras.

I'm trying to get a sponsor by true classic. Shit, I had an extra one, too. You know what's so funny? I had one that was still in the package. And I was like, should I bring this? I'm like, no, I don't need this. I think you should have. That's crazy. It would have been great. That was like the universe telling me that you needed one of these shirts.

And I ignored it. That's great. We're talking about stuff that's good for you. And I've been telling you I've been eating a ton of fucking pizza and I still got it. Uh-oh, here it comes. Here comes. The Sarah Sleis. Listen, can I tell you, I'm sorry.

You guys are goofing on me. I can see it in Midtown right now. You can you fucking doping on me? Can I tell you right now that I'm so proud of this? I don't like to brag. A little bit. Dean does. I mean, he knows a little bit.

But on Long Island, we have three champions, four, if you include Marab. You know, he's adopted by us. Chris Wyman has his own day in Long Island. Al Jermaine Sterling has his own day. I'm not but-heard about not having my own day, but I have something better. Thank you, Talios, from Massapeco Park and Mineola. I have my own Sarah Slice. It's the best fucking, it'll knock your dick off.

It's the best slice. I put it up against any slice That you could That you give me And the reason being Now listen Tell Dave Port Listen

This kid Rob There he is my buddy Robb Oh he's talking about it I'm going to show you guys How we make the Serra Our Roman shell here We're going to go down With our

Grande Low Moister Monsorella This is a very simple Pizza So don't stripes of our chow tomato sauce imported from italy imported from italy sea salts basil and olive oil that is my recipe for my tomato sauce no sugar stop putting sugar in your sauce yes and we have

our beautiful house made box sauce dude you make it with nice i'm getting a hot on matt tell him tell him where the dough comes from matt that he's going to see down with some Caputo Caputo flower from Italy Romano no bromite

no preservatives Sicilian oregano we have some beautiful Fiore di Latte fresh mozzarella come on

come on man just like to break up wait for the fucking pestle on top wait for the pestle the sara super simple go in the oven

about eight minutes look at this fucking thing look at this fucking thing oh yeah this is one of the best advertisements for carbs

I've ever seen No blue No bleach You know I tell you This is the only green I eat beautiful I eat that fucking

Grated Pecorino Ready And of course Oh the money shot Oh How to fucking go Rob The pesto

Take a bite Guys I'm so I'm so proud Sarah Come get it now Both locations Call yo pizza You are so happy

You were so happy Thank you, that's the first time you ever see, Matt's mouth shut. I'm so happy. So good. You got to go. Man, why you didn't bring us none? Dude, can I tell you I'm there all the fucking time? My podcast I'm doing, I found the first shop near Miniolla train station.

And I'm like, this fucking shit's ridiculous, you know? And then the guy happens to be a fan of the fighting, Rob. So then he's like, look, I'm opening up another spot. Dude, in Mass of Peekle Park. Dude, that's five minutes from my house. This is meant to be It's fucking meant to be And now he's training now, Rob

So that's awesome Talio's pizza The G is silent like lasagna And I just I'm so happy That is the number one problem With any of that carnivore diet Bullshit

That's the number one The number one problem is pizza Oh right yeah No doubt Italian subs He was telling me that It's not even legal In Europe to have the bromate

I didn't know what the fuck Promate was He goes It's stuff they put in the the dough to make it last longer and this and that. This kid has such balls where he saw an important, twice as much for a flower

Caputo flower. Dude, I don't know much. I know a lot about this thing. I'm having espresso. He tells me the whole thing about it. You feel different if you eat that flour. I'll eat this shit on the way to go train at my school. And I'm not doing that with Pietro's no offense. I'm not doing that with others. He has a It's so good. Ptacium bromate

of flour additive used to strengthen dough may have potential health risks. While it's legal in the U.S., it's banned in many other countries due to concerns about its potential carcinogenic effects. Studies have linked it to kidney and thyroid cancers in animals. Well, fucking, duh. And it's been associated with genotoxic and nephrotoxic effects in both animal models and humans. Acute symptoms from ingestion can include nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, and abdominal pain. And they put this in our flower.

Dude, that's what I'm saying. That's crazy. So out of older. Causes changes in DNA and potentially lead to mutations. Guys. What the fuck? I'm telling you, man. Look at that fucking statement.

That's crazy. Dude, that's why, man. I didn't notice its place at the end. Give this kid so much credit. Nobody does this. People can do this. They can import the flour. It's just more.

But this kid's killing it. And it's such a difference, man. They say when you go to Italy and you come back and you're eating all that shit and you come back, you're not fat, it's that shit. It's the flower, man. And he makes the heroes out of the same flower. Jamie, do you remember that video that I sent you about that dude breaking down exactly what's in flour and why it fucks us up? Do you remember that video?

You'll find it. The dude with a hat on, who's the health expert, is a young guy. And he does an amazing job of breaking down the difference between our flower and their flower. And you see, you get so upset. You're like, this is so crazy that you guys let them do this to us. Yeah, the whole idea in other countries. But legal here, how's that possible? Crazy.

You would think... Why are we putting up with this shit? Why? Yeah. It's because it's slow poison. Yeah. It's not like alcohol is like, whoa, you feel it the next day. Like, oh my God.

Pizza is just a slow poison. It's so good. It weighs you down, though. It's fucking weighs you down. It would be just as good. Just as good in terms of how you feel when you eat it. Just as good flavor-wise. Just not fucking kill you.

Explain to me. why I can eat bread in Spain and I can in Greece Italy no problem why I was gluten free in 15 years I've been gluten free in Canada America can't eat it that's because in America what we call bread can't even be considered food in parts of Europe see here in America it's not so much the gluten as what we've done to the grain about 200 years ago we started stripping the brain and germ or the fiber in nutrients to make flower shelf stable, also nutritionally dead. Because the nutrients were gone, we enriched it with folic acid, which a large majority of the

population can't even metabolize, therefore many people experience fatigue, anxiety, high activity, and inflammation. But then the bread wasn't white enough, so they bleached it with chlorine gas, and the bread didn't rise enough, so they added a carcinogen called potassium bromate, which has banned in several countries like Europe, the UK, and even China. Then we wanted to ramp up production, so we started using glyphosate to dry out the wheat before harvest, causing endocrine disruption and damaging your gut. So now you're bloated brain fog, tired, and blamed gluten, but gluten is just the scapegoat.

The real issue is ultra-processed chemically altered, bleached, bromated, fake vitamin-filled weed, soaked in glyphosate. This isn't bread. This is. That's wild. He's got a neon sign up in his thing, no bleach, no bromate. That's amazing. Dude, I got fucking abs still and I can eat pizza. It's like heaven.

He's at the right time now, too, because people are starting to be made aware. Yeah, it's, yeah, and you can blame it on gluten all. all you want, but go eat pizza in Italy. Give it a shot. You feel good. It's like I'm doing that every day. Pasta there. Yeah, pasta there's incredible. There's a few places that are catching on. How I cheat here on pasta, like back home, Deepa Squallies is the big Italian spot. And they have, you can get ricotta Nyalkis. So they're made with ricotta cheese. And, you know, it's like maybe five grams of carbs and a thing of Nalki. Yeah, you could cheat it out. But if you really want to get fucking blasted with some.

carbs lasagna will do you in lasagna will do you in oh my god there's something about Italian food when I'm really hungry I just can't help it I don't care about my diet the sauces and all that stuff yeah it gets you you know Joe DeRosa the comedian yeah he's got a place

called Joey Roses it's a sandwich shop and Joey Roses they import all their flour that's the thing and it's the same thing they make their bread fresh every day and they throw it out at the end of the day they never use stale bread And they never use any preservatives. And he's like, that's the difference.

Like, you can eat these sandwiches and you feel good. Yeah, I'm telling you. It's crazy that that's rare. Isn't that weird? That should not be how you consume food. You know what I'm saying? Like, you should be feeling good after you eat all the time. Yeah, we're fucking poisoning ourselves.

And the fact that it's illegal in China and all these other places, like, how are they're more corrupt than them? That's crazy. I mean, that was part of it, too, when you talk about the trade imbalances. Some of our food not being able to go over there was just. just the fact that they wouldn't allow the food to come move. Because it's not even food to them. It's not even legal, that bromey and shit. It's fucking crazy.

It's fucked up that we're feeding that to our kids. And these regulators knew about it. They knew about it for a long time. And if you're in that business, that's your business, you fucking know what's going on. And you guys let them just do that to people for profit, because they can make more money this way. But also, there's a problem with feeding fucking 300 million people. That's a problem. Any disruptions to the food source is a fucking dangerous thing because no one's growing shit.

You know, we're all relying on someone else to do the growing work. And then what are we doing? We're fucking going to these farms and catching all the people that are doing the work. And then deported them. We're just like, whoa. We need that. Bro, we can't do anything right. Yeah.

We can't do anything right. Be a little fair about the brumate stuff. It's been used since 1923, and the FDA has been telling people to stop using it since 1991. Wow. They would tell people to stop using it, but they didn't tell them they have to stop using it. Well, they urge people. It's up to people. They could do whatever they want in America.

But in America, is it the only place they use it? I don't know about only. I think they said Canada. Yeah, Canada to them. Of course. Canada does. They like our little brother. Yeah.

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they're a little cousin they got to hang out with the fucking family weddings you know that one cousin and he texts you later and you're like Jesus Christ we all got that one cousin right he's just like yo man He wasn't talked to you about communist theory. Like, come on, you fuck. Relax. Shut up. They're finding people for walking in the woods.

You hear about that? Where? In Saskatchewan. Is that where it is, Jamie? Walking in the woods? Yeah, this guy got fine. They told you that if you get caught in the woods, because it's so hot out, they're worried about wildfires.

There's no wildfires, but they're worried about wildfires. Every year, you worry about wildfires. So to combat this, they can't go out of your house. You can't go out of your house. $28,000 to walk into the woods. That's a lot of money. One guy did it. One guy's like, fuck you.

I'm going to the woods. And then he went viral, of course. Man. Which is a good move. Well, what's going on in the UK? I mean, they're putting $28,000 move. They're putting thousands of people in jail for social media posts. Oh, yeah.

No, banana stuff. These fuggets getting, everybody's going communist. Yeah. One person put this Facebook post or something like that, critical of immigrants and saying they come over here and rape and murder our women. And because of putting this. that up on Facebook, this person got 20 months in jail. Absolutely.

20 months. That was way in the U.K. In the U.K. It's fucking crazy, dude. A bunch of sensitive pussies now. They arrested. My friend Constantine Kisten

from Trigonometry, the podcast. He's the one at first told me about all this because he had this conversation with this guy when he said, how many people do you think get arrested for social media posts in Russia? And, you know, he tells them what the number is. like it's like about 400 like well wow it was how many people do you think get arrested for

social media posts in the UK and the guy was like what it's like it's 4,000 damn true yeah what would the charge be for posting something they don't have freedom of speech like we do dude they I actually saw like a police cam video where the fucking the cop was telling them that yeah but your post offended like just like what the fuck do you mean I'm going to jail because my post offended someone get the fuck out of here a man what is this jami a man has been jailed uh for facebook person encouraging violence he's been jailed for 20 months for encouraging people on social media to attack a hotel in leads housing more than 200 migrants so is this the same guy jamie i google man jailed

in uk for facebook post 20 months this is what came up interesting well that's that's that's google funneling you what they want you to see oh he was talking about about violence. Oh. No, but I'm not sure. I mean, maybe he was talking about violence. I mean, this guy obviously was. In the video, there were more.

Where the, whatever the guy with the wig is, what are they called over there? Yeah, right. They wear the wigs. If you could find the video, Jimmy, the guy's full on wearing the wig. A wig, like a George Washington wig. And so he reads the Facebook post that this guy made, you know, which wasn't nice. but then you know then he says like for this egregious

crime I sentenced you to 20 months of detention and even the word the wording they use is weird it wasn't like detention it was like a weird euphemism for fucking jail he's on time out

yeah it was weird listen to him talk it's super dystopian he's got a custodial sentence and only has to serve half of it oh so there's to serve 10 months in a prison for doing

For making a post. For making a post on Facebook. Can you find the video, Jeremy? Well, I have to be sure. Find the video because it's kind of funny when you see the guy's wig. Like, they have to wear the wig. That's like the move over there. The old school powdered wigs.

Wasn't it back in the day that they used to wear them to hide shit? No, syphilis. Oh, don't wait. Yeah, that's where the term big wig comes from. Because the richest people got the biggest wigs. They all got syphilis. So this is what happened. They came over to America.

right when the like the in the 1492 days yeah when they came back they brought syphilis oh and syphilis just going rampant through these European cultures and these these people have so syphilis came from here and then went back there this is the thought that so there's different types of syphilis but they're pretty sure there's some evidence that indicates that one type of syphilis was transferred from Native American populations to Europeans Native Americans who had already had a resistance to it just like we had a resistance to smallpox and the flu when the Europeans came over here and that's what the Indians didn't that's why they got wiped out well they didn't have resistance to this kind

of syphilis this is like hole in your face your fucking your hair falls out this is the guy listen to this motherfucker you did not want your money going to immigrants who quote rape our kids and get priority end quote this offense is so serious that an immediate custodial sentence is unavoidable. Would you stand, please? The sentence that I pass has been reduced by one-third to reflect your guilty plea. The sentence is one of 20 months' imprisonment. This guy said he didn't want his money going to immigrants and went to jail.

This wasn't somebody threatening violence. Yeah. They edited at the post, so we don't know what else said. Right, there wasn't edit. I was going to point that out. There was something there. So this, here's the thing, too, whenever it's possible for something like this to exist, whatever it's possible, there's going to be a bunch of people from other countries that edit stuff to make you more mad at the people in the UK. Like, there's, they're doing, China does that in America.

There's a lot going on with social media and these kind of clips and posts and stuff. There's a lot more going on than makes sense. People always bitch about America. that shit, you know what I mean? They're not locking anybody up over here yet. You can't bitch about America in comparison. If you, the whole rest of the world is way

worse in terms of what you're, how you're able to express yourself, the consequences of expressing yourself. Like, this is a pretty good spot. It's just not perfect. It's a cool thing. It feels weird now that it's like the younger generation. Everybody's like, they just like, it feels cool to say like, fuck America.

Like people are like, you wear an American shirt. They just think you're a fucking, like, dude, well, you can't be proud of where you're from. Exactly. You can't be proud of your country? America is everything. It's all the things. You know, it's just, we're so tribalized, and we have to get over that.

That's the number one problem is people decide that those people that they hate and they hate everything about them. And then, okay, now you've got 50% of the country that you can't associate with that's not on your team. Like, what did you do? And so, well, now you have to justify everything your team believe. in including shit that doesn't make any sense and shit that is probably immoral you know especially when you get you get into like trans kids surgeries and shit like though you're you have to sign off on that right because if you don't then you're signing off on these right wing bigots that want to fucking you know put the Bible and every yeah you get you're a Nazi

it's like we're it's bad both both fucking versions are bad of both sides when you're looking at it from the other side because it's all cartoonish because most people live in the middle of shit. Yeah. I mean, I feel that's 100% true. Most people are in the middle. I think you made, like the point you made earlier, too, you're getting just fired through the algorithm, you know, the shit that pisses you off if that's what you're

clicking on all day long anyway. So it just drives that wedge deeper and deeper, I think, because they're just inundated 24-7. Like, sometimes you just got to stop and get outside or watch a TV show to decompress. That's the fucking problem, though. You can't even enjoy. I, man, what they did with Star Wars, with the Akelyte, you can't even enjoy, you can't even enjoy, I love the pop culture, I love movies. I tried to watch the electric state, that fucking thing, because I love robots going fucking rogue and AI shit.

What's the electric state? It's a Netflix movie with Chris Pratt, and it looked like a big budget. It was by the Russo brothers who did The Avengers and shit. So I go, it's about AI robots. What a, I, dude, what a piece of shit. I couldn't even get through the opening And then I know what I don't like I don't like when I'm watching a movie

And already I see Okay, I know who the director voted for Like you know what I mean They're like bringing up the uprising Or the robots and they go And to celebrate the enslavement Of the robots Kid Rock did a concert

Oh did he really? Did he really? You fucking assholes I can't I enjoy the shit But okay you're on that side I turned it off You're bringing me right out of it Because you're showing me

You're taking shots for the audience to know Dude, fuck off I want to see some air fucking robots I want to be entertained I don't want to know about your fucking politics I feel like we have political fatigue though I feel like most people are tired of talking about it Most people are like just stop

That's what I'm mad I don't want to talk about the shit ever It's also it's like pretending that one side Is beyond reproach is fucking ridiculous and if you're one of those tribal people you have to do that you have to support your side and like that that just gets nuts you can't do that

there's too many people there's too many financial interest there's too much money there's too much shit going on there's too much why is there bromate in my bread bitch exactly that's the political you got out

a terrible job you motherfuckers have been doing a terrible job of taking care of us you're not really taking care of us we want to think you're like a cool counselor or something like that's like looking out for the rest of the kids that are on this camp together you know like our councilman is going to take care of us they got it they're going to teach us to how to get through the woods meanwhile they're just stealing money now you can't go to the woods it's a 28,000

that's Canada but that's Canada I mean but this is the problem with places that don't have the freedoms that we have like the constitution our founding fathers they nailed they really did they it's crazy that they nailed that so well they knew human nature so well that it applies like it's important three hundred years later maybe since they came from a monarchy you know what i mean they they gave them that perspective they were so smart but i wonder how many of them were there right like how many like really well-educated people were around back then think about the age couldn't have been that many they were a lot of young kids uh not a lot of young kids uh you know that we're writing this thing yeah some of them are like in their early 20s but that's a middle age back

that's a good point that's a good point man that's fucking that's true you get an infection back then, get staff. Ciphyllus? Done by 35 over there. Your brother, the syphilis thing is really nuts, though. But that is why that stupid fucking thing that that guy was wearing on his head. That's what that is.

That's the tradition based off of syphilis, and they still do this shit today. Yeah, and the guys with the most money had the biggest wigs. That's why they called them big wigs. It all started with these two brothers that were royals. Was it brother or a guy in his cousin? I forget. But these guys who were

royals in France and And these guys were like, you know, the socialites. They were the celebrated people, and they started losing their hair because they're freaks. You know, they're probably fucking up a storm over there, and they're catching syphilis. And they got holes in their face and shit, and they smell awful, and their fucking hair's falling out. So they just get a wig. And then other dudes say, I want to be like him, so they got wigs. And then a bunch of people started getting syphilis.

They covered up with wigs. But that's crazy to me that you're almost celebrating having syphilis by getting a bigger wig. Well, you know what it is? It's like you're not celebrating syphilis. but since everybody's wearing a wig, your wig is the dopest wig. That's right. You gotta have a doping as one right?

Is it crazy that it's all because of sexually transmitted diseases? It's crazy. It's our first export syphilis. I think it was smallpox, man. Smallpox wiped out the whole country. The whole country. The whole, all of North America was filled with people. They all got killed.

There's like 90% of the people got killed. Damn. Hold on. What year was that? This was between the times of the first settlers to the 1800s, it was 90%. It was 90%. Native Americans died from disease that, you know, Europeans brought. And you know, for a long time, they were trying to deny, they were trying to figure out, like, what happened to the Mayans?

Well, I'll tell you what happened to the Mayans. Disease. Obviously, Europeans, they had this spectacular civilization in Mexico. If you ever go down and, you ever go and seen any of the ruins? Yeah, I went to Cheech, I was in Cheeching. Yeah, I went there too Yeah, I went there too A couple months ago

It's amazing It's amazing It's dope Yeah It's dope Like what were they What drugs were these Motherf

Yeah Like how were they building That shit I don't know man A thousand years ago It's pretty amazing to see And even like the Remember that the ball court

They had Where you can stand at one end Or the other And you can hear each other Talking and shit Cause of the acoustics And it's just the sheer

Size of it It's like wow And then just wiped out by a cough By dirty, stinky Europeans right off the boat Breathing on everybody Swept through the people No immunity to it That's crazy

That is pretty wild man It's exactly what happened to all the Amazon too man They're finding that out now The Amazon was all just disease Damn They had millions of people who were living in the Amazon And some Europeans went to visit And like I forget what year was

But they came back and had these stories about these beautiful like cities and filled with gold and all this crazy shit and then people went back 100 years later and it was all gone and they said oh this guy was lying some white tourists

but it wasn't right right isn't that crazy it wasn't lies so now they use LIDAR and they scan over the top of the forest and they see like where these cities used to be there's so much shit over there that they haven't even uncovered it's just nuts that it's just dirty diseases

those first people they like Hey, coming over the other fucking guys Yeah They were hard ass enough to make it here You know they were

bringing some shit with them Oh bro you know how hard people must have been back then Just to even say Okay I'm gonna try it When someone says Hey we've got a wood boat

And we're gonna go out there We have no idea Of a storm's going I've always give Christopher Columbus credit for that shit On a fucking wooden boat In the middle Like I can't even fucking

Find directions To get to the fucking Apex half the time. But the crazy thing is we give him credit for landing here and he didn't even make it here. Yeah. He landed like the Indies, right? That's what I thought. This episode is brought to you by Squarespace.

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and when you're ready to launch use the code Rogan to get 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain. Where did Columbus actually land? It was like near the Bahamas. He wasn't even in America. I'm going to fuck where he landed.

That motherfucker went out into the ocean 500 years ago on a boat. We give him Christopher Columbus Day to do you get to land here. I mean I'm looking at the Vikings. These motherfuckers just conquer. donations going everywhere.

So what was it say here? San Salvador in the Bahamas, yeah. First landed on an island in the Bahamas. Like that is not America, bitch. You don't get credit for Discover in America. The Italians were taking credit

anyway. But that's probably when them diseases started hitting them areas. Oh, also had that history of smallpox goes back to the sixth century, starting in China. Smallpox does? Yeah. Interesting. Right.

So the sixth century, and then was it mostly smallpox that killed off the Native Americans or was it a bunch of different diseases that we brought with us? It is 17th century, European settlers bring smallpox. There's an amazing guy named, what is that, Jamie? What they, European settlers are here with Christopher Columbus, that's in the 16th century, not 17th, right, 1500s? Right. Yeah, 1492.

Yeah, 1492. Right. That's 200 years later almost. Right, but it's probably like how many people came, you know what I mean? Like when Christopher Columbus came, that was, so this 1492, he lands in the Bahamas. Like 100 years. Yeah, how many people got, were interacting with them, you know what I mean, how many people, once they started coming over here regularly, like when did folks start hopping in boats and coming over regular?

and coming over regularly, like the early settlers. I wouldn't have did it. No fucking way. No fucking way. No fucking way. Those people were animals, man. You're going to take a chance.

This dude knows how to get across the ocean and a wooden boat using a thing. Yeah. We stare at the stars and try to figure out where you are and he's drunk all the time. Jamestown was 1607 when that started. That's when it started, huh? Interesting.

Well, that would be... So that's probably makes sense for like a hundred fucking years they talked about it. Isn't that kind of crazy? I like in Vikings. Isn't that kind of crazy? They talked about America for a hundred years before they came over. Oh, no shit.

Yeah, so it's like he lands in the Bahamas and then a hundred years later. Oh, right. Then it's when people started... Yeah, then they start the first colony. Wonder how long it took him just to get across. You imagine what it would be like setting up a colony in a new country. And you know there's people with bows and arrows Waiting in the Bushes.

Did you know that first people that set up the call and they knew. They knew that there's fucking Indians waiting for them. Oh, yeah, everybody knew. They knew that this was inhabited and they knew the type of people. They'd come back, you know, whether it was Columbus's people or the other, whoever was here came back and they had all these crazy stories about, you know, interacting with also the craziest stories were from. There was a one of the guys was a priest or something, some holy man that was traveling with Columbus who had a detailed descriptions of the horrific shit. Columbus and his men did to whoever the indigenous people were. No shit.

Oh, horrible shit. Where they were saying, if you don't bring back your weight in gold, we'll chop off your arms. They were chopping arms off, dashing babies' heads on rocks. Jesus Christ. Yeah. They were forcing these people to bring them gold. it's like do you remember that guy's name father something or another so he had this his memoirs of his time over there with Christopher Columbus his people and he was like it was horrific so these people

that we celebrate I mean this is one thing that the wokesters got right you know if you're celebrate Christopher Columbus like Christopher Columbus we have Columbus day like be careful who you're celebrating if that father that priest was telling the truth you're celebrating a monster You're celebrating like a literally like a mass murderer who would go to another country. I mean, it's believable when you think about history. Like, bro, that's all they did back down. I mean, everybody conquered everybody at one point or another. Yeah, and when there was no internet, you could get away with a lot.

A whole lot. A whole lot. No one knew you were coming. You're coming with boats. You're fucking people up. You're taking all their shit. And when you land places, you're like, it was, like, this is probably the only time in history where a boat can land in a place.

land in a place and it's not hostile. In America, when boats come here, it's like, oh, we're going, but for the most part, most boat travels not hostile. It's like, oh, look, a big boat full people, they're going to come eat at our restaurants and strange people from a different land are going to come and enjoy what we

have to offer here in Portugal or wherever you are. Some people are counting on that. Bro, it used to be. A boat showed up. You didn't know it was on. It was on. She got to be strapped. Yeah. Yeah. You hear a fucking, a shell. That's right. fuck you gotta wake up

put your armor on fuck I can't believe I gotta do this just imagine that shit bro that's how they live forever that's how people live for thousands of years it's nuts it's amazing we made it as far as we did I don't know if we'll do another thousand I think not with these

negative little motherfuckers yet no I'm just saying like think about what we are now like those dudes they was hard right regardless they was hard now we in TikTok culture We got AI like that No there's a lot of that

And there's an encouragement of men To not be strong Which is always weird Pushing the beta male thing It's always weird There's that encouragement And it comes from people that aren't strong They want more people like them

People like more like us And when they're in control of social media That's where things get weird The fucking acolyte I'll tell you They clipped all the balls from the Jedi's Nobody's gonna want an action figure Of that fucking little

Sissy The Star Wars. Well, I mean, they made the Jedi. I mean, they pusciified the Hulk in Marvel. They sure did. They gave him glasses and now he can talk. Like, now it doesn't make any sense that you would go back and forth between being the Hulk and being Bruce Banner.

Yeah, yeah, because he's all in the same. It's supposed to be super smart guy who's weak. You know, I, this is a... Yeah. And that was my favorite movie. That wasn't that great that movie. But Superman. That is a weird.

It's a weird choice to give a... guy role to a girl. It's a weird choice because there's so many girl roles in Superhero comic books. Yeah, there was tons of chick superheroes. Especially in the X-Men. The X-Men had plenty of bad ass women. They got to do that over right now.

It's like you've got Superwoman, there's plenty of different characters you could play. Like, I don't know why you're... Unless you're trying to prove a point. Like Matt Sarah says, I know who you voted for. Yeah. To be fair, there is a female

Silver Surfer? Yeah. For all the people. This is the second one? Here's the deal with that. She was in maybe two episodes where she mattered and the rest of them she was mentioned. Like, she's not a real character. Bro, I used to love the Silver Surfer.

Did anybody ever do a Silver Surfer? I'm a comic book nerd. I know a flat-out movie that's any good? He made a straight-up one. I thought the first Fantastic Four when they got the Silver Surfer pretty good in that when I thought. Why wouldn't they have a Silver Surfer movie? I know. I know.

I like my favorite character. I mean, a badass Silver Surfer? Cosmic character. Yeah. Yeah, he's zen as fuck. Never gets upset. He's a thousand percent. I mean, he basically sacrificed himself to save his planet and his girl.

Bro, the Silver Surfer is literally the coolest comic book guy. He made him look cool in this. Rise of the Silver Surfer. Yeah, I thought this was a, they did him good in this one. They did a version of a whole episode of the Avengers, or a whole movie of the Avengers on the Silver Surfer. I forgot about that. What year was that?

This was Fantastic Four. Oh, yeah, Fantastic Four. This was pre-Denvenger's stuff. This was when Jessica Alba was the. invisible woman and the Captain America was the human torch that got Chris happened

yeah he was good who played Silver Surfer in this I don't I don't remember it might have been all CGI he looked apart I thought they got they nailed it I thought in this The thing

The thing looks awesome The voice was Lawrence Fish for Mark Yeah I remember that When I was chubby I looked like Michael chicklets I remember the fuck his name The shield The shield was a good show

Yeah that was a great show It's kind of look like the thing. But, yeah, I saw that new Fantastic Four movie, and it wasn't overly woke or anything. But they could have done more with the thing, which I love the thing. And, you know, the girls had the best parts. They're the ones that did the thing with Galactus at the end.

No spoilers. What fuck? So, you know, but I am happy to say, and I know you were waiting for me to bring it up, I enjoyed the new Superman. I didn't see it yet. Of course not. We're all adults except for me here.

I want to see it, though I heard it's good. James Gun, man. I don't believe I never heard of that song Punk Rocker by Teddy Bears. Oh, that'll change your life. It has Iggy Pop in it? Uh-oh. It gets my nipples hard.

It's so good. And the movie, if you like Guardians of the Galaxy, which I'm sure you did. Yeah, they were good. Then you'll like this because it's just fun. Let's have fun again. That's it. I am nothing against the Henry Caval one.

He was a badass. Yeah, he was good. But it was a little, you know, Snyder's got that darker feel. It's kind of weird that we still want to see the same fucking characters over and over and over again in different versions of the same movie. Like, isn't it kind of weird? No, because some people love those characters. I understand, but it's like there's a little thing of it that it's like seeking comfort in this thing.

Oh, it's Superman again. Like not letting go of our childhood. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 100%. 100%. Because, like, try coming up with a new Superman. today. People are going to be like, fuck you. Like some new kind of comic book guy. Like, no background

at all in comic books. So you come up with a superhero type character now in a movie. No one's going to watch it. Right. Like, I don't want a new one. No one wants a new one. Everyone wants the Hulk. Everybody wants Spider-Man. You want to see Spider-Man. There's like, how many different dudes have been the Hulk? See Thor? Four or five dudes have been to the Hulk.

Yeah, they kept the Hulk. A lot of them. I thought that Spider-Man. Ed Norton was the best. They got rid of him because he wanted to keep the Hulk. like the Hulk you know what I mean they didn't like it yeah right

that was my favorite version of the Hulk the Ed Norton and he's running through the favelas in Brazil yeah yeah that was awesome when when the Hulk

starts running through that factory and he smash yeah hell yeah that's when it was like you kind of knew it was bullshit you're looking at it

like the CGI says it's a comic but as long as you keep it kind of darkly lit you know don't don't show me much they got better with that they got better with the uh i wasn't too long ago for hancock that was a superhero that was just out of nowhere i can't watch anything with this fucking

guy you know i didn't want to get up that way i'm just sort of i'm not to say that are you he's nuts man real corny and this guy's doubling down on smack and chris rock you know that he has a verse is like you you disrespect me on the stage expect me on the stage which is kind of cool saying but you know yeah i mean that's horse shit he's doubling down on it spiral downward And then, I mean, you're basically, he stole our show name because he is a cuck. You saw what the hell. His wife is humiliated, that poor guy. Yeah, publicly.

Yeah. That was weird. And he was universally loved and now he's pretty well, almost universally reviled. Well, you know, for him, Chris and then the nonsense. Everybody loves that Chris Rock. His music shitty. And I was about say his rap is so trash. It's horrible.

Sometimes you hit your horse to the wrong wagon. Yeah. And that'll take you on a bad journey, son. I'll take you on a bad journey. And you might hang in there for a while and keep your sanity for a while. But eventually, if you're living with someone who's not right for you and there's a lot of tension, which there seems to be with them, a lot of weird shit. Important decision is the spouse. Oh, gigantic.

Yeah, I mean, look at the kids. At least the son. Imagine if you had to camp out with your best friend for the rest of your life. You would have to really be careful. Like, I have to pick one dude, and I'm going to be able to camp out with him for the rest of my life. Just being him in a tent for the rest of my life. And you get to fuck him. No, you're saying, personality.

Yeah, but now you add in sex and the fact that you're not even the same gender. Yeah. You got to be, my thing is I always say, you've got to be compatible. Like, you know what I mean? Just me and my wife very compatible. Yeah, me too. Because, man, I can't. I can't stand anybody.

Well, you know, you just got to be picky. And some people aren't. Some people just settle for hot. Yeah. That's the problem. Settling for hot for a real. And that's always the most dangerous, too. With the hot and the crazy chart.

And it's different for the girls, too. The girls settle for a hot. It's a real problem. The girls settle for a right. Shit, I got to get a kid soon. I'm going to be 30. You know, so they'll settle for Mr. Good enough. So that's the most important.

It's got to be hard for the girls out there, too. Fucking bunch of savages. hard for everybody out there. It's a weird time and now everybody's on dating apps. So everybody has like a new opportunity at every swipe of the finger. Today it's like socially acceptable to be a ho. I think it's also it's there's real concerns that intelligent people have about population decline. That sounds kind of crazy like we're not going to population decline. There's plenty of people. But the problem is people are not having nearly as many people like replacement people. It's like not enough. Like, it's like not enough. Like,

In order for a society to exist at the same numbers is essentially everyone has to have kids. Right. Right. But a giant percentage of people, like in our generation and younger generations are not having kids. True. They're deciding to opt out of it and just focus on their career. They say in Italy and here, I mean, Japan, like, they're all having a negative, you know, population over the years. Like, they're not having enough kids to sustain the population.

And you add into that microplastics that are killing everybody's ball. knocking down your it's kind of weird it's like a thing that we don't see coming you know we don't see it coming like real population but places like Japan are freaking out

they're really worried about it South Korea same thing really yeah it could be a real problem I didn't even know that was a thing well it just makes sense man if you've got everybody just wants to have a career and if you can't focus on your career because you have kids you put your kids off till you're in your late 40s

what's the number like the 2.1 or something you know you have to have 2.1 kids in order to maintain you know that just the current level of population. Someone was telling me that in vitro fertilization, which a lot of women use, that those hormones that they have to give you are linked to cancer. Really? Is that true, Jamie?

Can you look that up? Because someone brought it up to me, and I was like, I don't know if that's really? And why is testosterone in the younger generation not as strong as it used to the microplastics? He had a lady on that went deep into that stuff. I mean, there's no strong evidence to see this is AI. AI is working for the government, man. Okay, let's see. National Institute of Health says transient increase in the risk of having breast or uterine cancer.

So as soon as you start admitting things like that to me, and this says no conclusive evidence, the fertility. 1999. Yeah. Six years old. Right. What does it say? It says doesn't. Treatments do not increase the risk of a variant cancer, malignant malanoma, or cancers of the endometrium.

Hmm. Why am I skeptical? I don't know. Maybe I'm skeptical because you're using Google. Well, I mean, I know, but you know what I'm saying? But that's the place to use. But I would wonder how much of that would be available. Like if someone, if someone's some sort of an alternative.

doctor or someone who's stepping outside of the lines and saying, I'm treating a bunch of cases of cancer. Like, where would you even find that guy's work? I don't know. No idea. Twitter? Yeah, that's the problem, right? You see a thing on Twitter. You're like, is this guy a quack?

Right. Is this guy real? But a person told it to me that I trust. And I was like, really? That stuff causes cancer? Because like, that's, you've got to dose yourself up with a bunch of hormones when ladies do that in vitro fertilization. All I know is I like that now at our age, we're all in our 50s.

Are you 50, your motherfucker? Next year. Okay. I'm still in my 40s, man. Are you on TOT yet? Yeah, yeah, I got a little bit of you. Man, thank goodness. Thank God we have that, man, because back in the day, they'd be fucked up at our age.

Back in the day, we would just find it on the street. Well, I don't think you'd ever be able to. You had a different neighborhood. But those guys were right. That's what's crazy. It's like old juice heads were right. In a lot of ways. There's a lot of old juice heads in the gym that were looking jacked in their 50s and 60s.

Like, what is he doing? Bobby just stays on D-Ball. He's on that. Bobby's on a C-C. These guys would meet people in the gym that would tell you, like, what they do and how they did it. And then you had to take advice from those folks. And a lot of fighters got there. You would think by the time a fighter gets to the UFC, you know, like, well, he's probably got a professional team behind him.

a bunch of like really organized folks like no no no these dudes come with sketchy characters like super sketchy connections to the streets just read as much as I could you know if you were gonna you try to get as much information as you could about what you're putting in yourself the best guy is online is Derek oh now yeah now today he wasn't around in the 80s and 90s I know but he's like the best version of a bro scientist you know he's a smart motherfucker Smart, motherfucker. Unreal. Yeah.

I wouldn't fuck with that myself. Like, I go to a place that, you know, they check my blood every six weeks. All right. You got to donate blood now. You got to do this and that. So it doesn't get too thick, you know. I heard that before, but I don't have that problem for some reason. Yeah, it doesn't do it.

Every once in a while. It doesn't do it to everybody. I'd go donate the blood. No. I get nervous. I got checked a bunch of times. Like, make sure I'm okay. Yeah, you're perfect.

Because they're supposed to get you. I only had to do the blood twice. I, you do it every six weeks? No, no, you mean you're getting a blood test? They check me, and if it gets too high, my red blood cells, whatever they do are. So you're just getting the finger prick to see what you're... Yeah, they take a little blood out, and then they check it, and then they check all my... Everything from...

Well, they can do your red blood cell count. Like, if you go donate blood, they fucking prick your finger and check what your level is. Yeah, I go there. Well, my place finds out first, and then they say, all right, I can either do a dump there, but they don't use the blood. I like to donate it because I feel better about... Yeah, me too. Do you have unvaccinated blood? Do you have pure blood?

I got pure blood, man. Do you? I don't. They pay me double. Three times. I got all three of them. You did what happened? Yeah, I got all.

I had to. I had to. Why? Because you had to work. I had to work. You have to what? UFC made us. Yeah, they made us.

It didn't make me. They didn't make me. You got to travel, though. If you're traveling all the place. That's the problem. Fuck. For some of these countries weren't let you in without it. Yeah, yeah, they weren't less him without it.

When you fucking make someone take something because, because they the only way they could use your service is if they take because you think that this thing is going to work and it doesn't work shouldn't you be able to go

fuck you you made me take this and this thing didn't even work it didn't even do any of the things you said it's bad for the people it's crazy what you can get away with in the world

especially during something like a pandemic you know where everybody just agrees to different rules because that's what happened during the pandemic I was thinking about that shit are people still dying

from COVID? No that's what I'm saying like what happened today there's people that are dying with COVID, so there's people that are dying and they also have COVID, but they're dying. Yeah, right? And that's the difference.

And that's why the numbers for the deaths were elevated so high. You got a cancer and you had COVID, it was COVID. Oh, a shark attack. Check the fetus. He's got COVID. Yeah, like everybody died of COVID. Because they were financially incentivized in people to treat deaths as COVID deaths. Same with the ventilators.

They were getting more money if they had somebody put on a ventilator. And they signed out the ventilators were killing people. Yeah. Imagine that. There was so much craziness. Like, you know, when we were saying, we hope that someone is in charge that knows exactly what to do. And no, there's a lot of times in history. You have no idea what the fuck they're doing.

And then financial interests get involved. And then they come up with it. We're going to just make everybody take this. This is going to be amazing. Yeah, a lot of money. A load of money. By the way, they don't just take it once. And two, three dollars.

They can't take it to court. Yeah, and they can't take it to court. No liability. Because they called it a vaccine when it's not even really a vaccine. It's a gene therapy. It's a totally novel, new thing that you're giving to 300 million people just in this country alone. The ads were so shady. Like, I'd be in my car and it'd be like two students talking like, my parents don't want me to take it, but I'm really nervous.

It was like, really crazy. I'm like, what the fuck is this? So nuts. Brother, that's so nuts. You know how many people have stories where they let their kid take it? and then the kid has a stroke. They're all over online. Myocarditis was a big thing too with the other kids.

Yeah, there's undiagnosed myocarditis out there too, I bet, where people just feel tired all the time, feel a little fatigued. Yeah. So am I the only one here who got the vaccine? Yeah. Jamie got COVID real early. Jamie survived it early, so I knew it was not that big a deal. Good job, Jamie.

Jamie. Took one for the team, Jamie. Jamie toughed it through. He was like, Jamie seems okay. All right. And then Tony Hitchcliffe got it. He got it worse than Jamie. He had a little longer than you, right?

I don't know. You don't remember? Yeah, man. It's the creepy thing is these motherfuckers, they meet and then they say, there will be another pandemic. And you're like, what? You talk about how do you know? Yeah. Well, what about Biden and friends were trying to sign one with the WHO where they had control over being able to shut the U.S. down?

Yes. And all this nonsense. Thank God. We pulled right to fuck out of that. what a what a dumb idea let some giant global health organization have say over over our country right let these motherfuckers run the country because Bill Gates is a cold is spread out of it yeah just nuts man it's just nuts crazy shit before I got here I was watching a fucking comzat versus Camor Usman not a nothing to jump into

that now yeah let's jump into it Yeah, you know, I had Dracus on unfiltered the other day. Yep. And, you know, he's an intelligent guy, man. He's not a guy that doesn't do his homework. And he was just saying about everybody talks about how aggressive comes out is. And he goes, watch his fight in Kamar Usman, the second round. Over three minutes of him just standing in front.

He's like, he's not going to be able to do that to me. He's going to be working the whole time. He trained so fucking hard that he puts out everything in that five minutes, that one minute gets him right back. It's almost like he approaches at like five different fights. Like, you know what I mean? Because in that one minute he comes back down

and then he goes back out there again, Dracus. And we were just talking that we saw, you saw the same thing I saw with his grappling ability. He took out a whole, I mean, listen, it's different. Those guys were a lot of card players.

But he did a quintet and submitted everybody. Again, they were more jujitsu guys. It's a different type of style. But that was impressive. Not to mention, and I looked, you know, my producers gave me his bio and everything.

And I'm like, dude, he started, His first thing in the first entry into martial arts was at five years old doing judo, and his second discipline was at 12 years old doing wrestling. I mean, it's not like he's not a grappler. Everybody's just so used to him fucking throwing his bombs and his kicks. Well, you know, I'm on your side with this. We had that talk last night.

I mean, he's a monster. Yeah. And there's guys, and you know this because you work with Marab. There's guys that reach this level of discipline, and they achieve a level of cardiovascular performance. It's just above everybody else. And then they maintain it like they get that advantage and they keep pushing it and they slowly keep adding on to it like you're seeing Marab now Oh my god particularly in the the second O'Malley fight you're seeing this like a totally different beast

He's super non-stop non-stop and you can't keep up with that You know he's like it's just hard work. I believe that but man Yeah, but state of mind too like mental he believes it mentally you know but the amount of hard work is extraordinary to get to that level and I think Drickus is kind of a similar thing I think that dude works so hard that he can go out there and fight full blast which is what's weird to what you watch him fight like sometimes it doesn't look as clean he looks like his mouth breathing but he just keeps the same pace that was earlier fights before he got his nose fixed so he got his nose fixed all right

so he could breathe out of his nose makes it changed everything and then went on tear after that was that's when he crushed Whitaker like the Whitaker one was shocking because we all know how durable Whitaker is the Yoel Romero fights like that guy's durable as fuck to watch him just flatten him like that you're like whoa

hang on he's funny he says he goes I don't he's like I don't have a great poker face he goes people say I look tired because I am tired and when you get tired you breathe out of your mouth more and he goes but even if I am tired I don't have a poker face but I'm still coming forward I'm still gonna and he has he's got man he's got

confidence. He's beaming with confidence. He's just that guy. I mean, he's a good champion. He's a great champion. Speaks well, yeah. You know, it's interesting, the Izzy fight. I went and watched that again. And, you know, it seemed like Izzy had an advantage

up to a point, but then the pressure got to him. And then he got hit with a couple of those long shots. And it just looked like he just didn't have enough in him to fight his way out of it. When he went down, he got submitted pretty quickly afterwards but I would wonder

what is he in his prime how that fight would have looked because that would have been a lot different you know is he in his prime when he was you know he's a little quicker better angles yeah also just hadn't been damaged

yeah it's just and there's the damage of training is like but like is he Polo Costa yeah that's prime yeah that's prime that's also motivated is he like fuck you is he was sitting down on his shots is he yeah i mean put him away quick and then dry humped him yeah you know it was bad don't do that kids but that is he that would have been very very interesting to see him

versus dracus because he could have handled that pressure because that pressure the pressure is bananas you know like the anthony herndandez fight last week's that pressure is nuts crazy you could man i was like you couldn't keep up with him dude he should he looked like a different level he looked He looks like a world champion. He looks like a world champion. Spoiled it for you guys. Sorry about that. No worries, no worries, no worries. No, I was out. Yeah, when I came home, I was like, fuck, I didn't see it yet, but I watched it as soon as I got home. I was super impressed, man. And that, that whole division is like, Jesus, there's so many different contenders in that division, you know? You got Bajalio. Yeah, man.

Yeah, yeah. This whole fight car. Another dude with a gas tank. Strickland, like, what's going to have? happened with Strickland they suspended him indefinitely for punching some dude did you see that like he didn't have to do that man these guys got it him and Chris Curtis man they just man you can't fuck with him

because they yeah they will not back down you just can't fuck with him yeah and you can't but you can't jump into a cage and punch that's what I'm saying like I don't yeah that guy was being a little disrespectful though I like Strickland fuck that guy I mean

that was kind of and then they interview that guy after that. He's like, you know, he doesn't have anything on the mic. He's like, yeah, well, it's entertainment. It's like, oh, boy, here we go. Jesus. He got what he wanted. I guess he got what he wanted. Yeah, he got his two seconds. But Sean is crazy. Yeah, man, those guys. He's really late, man,

he is what he sells. Yeah. You know what I mean, he walks that fucking water. You ever see when that guy tried to, well, the guy who's like running from the cops and he was sneaking around his house? Sean came out with a pistol. Yeah, I did see that. The dude had, like, crashed DUI, and then jumped out of the car.

He was running into the wrong fucking yard, right into strong Sean Strickland. I mean, a lot of times now, though, there is no repercussions. Who's sitting in the house waiting to shoot somebody? He's so excited. Oh, that's a wet dream for him. But, uh, yeah. But, uh, you know, nowadays with that guy and that being disrespectful like that, everybody's just so used to no repercussions.

It's like, so everybody just gets so much ruder. I always say that. Bring bullies back. Uh, you know, it was. The world was a better place. You know? Teach everybody martial arts. I mean, I mean,

That would help because it's just sucks when a guy who is into martial arts like Strickland does something. Yeah. And you still love him. I told them a story last night where Long goes like, yeah, this kid wants to do an interview. His mother's a little overbearing and, you know, she's a little crazy. But then how about the kid? The kid's a nice kid. So I'm like, all right. So after a Saturday class, I got like 60 people.

You know, I get my nights aren't great because my ulcerative colitis. But, you know, I'm energetic. I do my class. I do this thing for this kid 12 year old kid and the mother's like oh we want to inspire the youth of today because they're all little shit

she's an Irish lady a little and then so I sit down with this kid and I'm like oh he goes okay I'm here with freaking UFC legend Matt Serra and I'm 12 years old and yet we managed to be the same exact height I got fucking

I got blindsided by this little fuck so now and when he said that The husband and the wife The husband's behind the guy Oh, I'm like Dude, I'm seeing red I want to fucking

So they're laughing Oh they're like In other words They want a response So I'm like So my first thought Was it directed towards the father Who might have taught this kid

No manners Stop lying A kid's your size You wanted to hit him I wanted to see I wanted to do a Hockey The fucking Loki

Loki and that motherfucker I was gonna take that little fuck So then I remembered That I got my daughters in there So I go So he tried to ask me, I go, oh, so I go, who came up with that question, buddy? He goes, me, me.

Now, this kid knows I can't strangle him. I want to kill his fat father. And then I remembered my three daughters are in there. So I go inside, I go, just, I can't, I go, give me one second, kid. I go, Maria, this kid's giving me a hard time. I want you to roll with him and put it on him. She, okay. On my Instagram, this kid wanted clicks, 38,000 views of my, I go, his daughter.

My daughter strangled the fuck out of this kid. And I, and we got some clicks. And it was phenomenal. And Matt's talking shit. You're like, you know, he's talking shit than a kid. Repercussions, Joe.

Re-fucking percussion. He's like, who's my height now, kid? Oh, my good. On my Instagram. He didn't even say on the video. Oh, you're going to get some clicks on this? Hey,

you want some clicks, you little fuck? And they, you know, wow. Oh, you see my daughter. No mercy for the 12-year-old. Oh, that's crazy. And then after my daughter said,

I go, you want to start from the feet or foot or on the knees. He chose on the knees. You know, my daughter strangles him once. Then I go, I pull him on top, pull him in God. I'm just, I just, I go, you're going to make any more short jokes, Cameron? No? Little fuck.

You know? But anyway, I just love Jiu-Jitsu, man. Shout out to my Maria. But I'm glad I tried. My first instinct was attack the old man. I'm like, you fat fuck. I'm sitting there giving you my time. It's the first question.

You get away with that. I know you for 30 years. John, fuck that like fuck, you know? Joe, it's not right. Is you think about, like, the industry of, like, trying to keep bodies together. What industry, what sport provides more patience than Jiu-Jitsu? Oh, goodness. Like, everybody, you know, like, if you think about it, when you get to a certain point

and you would train it for a certain amount of time, you're going to get fucking banged up. Like, what sport benefits more from, like, guys in their 40s and 50s, like, peptides? and stem cells. Jiu Jiu Jitsu brings a lot of patience because everybody's hurt. Yeah, everybody's hurt. A thousand percent. Regular 40-year-old dudes aren't hurt all the time.

You know what I mean? They usually work. They go into an office. They don't rarely get knee injuries. For sure. Yeah, I'll tell you. 40-year-old jitzy guys, everybody's knees are fucked up. Everybody's fucked up.

Everybody's fucked up. Everybody got a hurt shoulder. Everybody's fucked up. Everybody's got a bad. It's better than fucking pickleball. I do a 40-night. I do a 40-year-old. I do a 40-old.

and overnight class every Wednesday I teach it oh me and then just to feel like Gordon Ryan I jump on the old men I have fun with them

but dude they fucking love it sometimes when it's less than 20 I'll do like my old school jihitsu gang fight everybody I pick teams

I put this guy over there I get it kind of even they all start on their knees you remember this we used to do it from the feet back in Henzos everyone's breaking their backs jumping on backs

but it stops when one team No lower body submissions could be two-on-one three-on-one. It stops when one team submits the whole other team. So we got these old men in there like, they're jumping on back. Dude, they're upstairs in the locker room. It reminds me of the Twilight Zone movie

when they play Kick the Can. They're like little kids up there, like, talking about. They have such a good time. Practice and murdering each other. That's funny? It's so much fun. Making it novel like that, making it like a team feeling like it's funny. Oh, it's funny.

Especially if you trust each other. If you're all, you know, training partners. The biggest thing out of an academy is the atmosphere, as you know. So I make sure, I pluck guys out on a fucking every month. Somebody comes in, I don't like, I get, keep you a bunch of dollars, get the fuck out of it. It's all top down. It all comes down from the attitude of the people that are running the place.

Always, always. Yo, do you ever show up at a random jihitsu school and just pop in? No. You can't do that. I haven't enrolled at all in a year. No kidding. No. I've had a reoccurring knee issue and a reoccurring lower back issue that I'm trying to get right before I do.

anything stupid again. Dude, shout out the bio accelerator. Oh, that place is great. They're so fucking great. A lot of positive results from that place. I know a lot of people went down there. I'm able to throw my right hand again, which I used to wave like fucking this. And now I'm just, I'm so happy.

I'm able to do it again. Bring it back to the Camaro fight with Chimae of, Camaro's been down there too. I was down a couple years ago. Yeah, it's a lot of UFC guys going down there. Oh, 100%. Chris Wyn and L.A. Quinto? That CPI and T. is a closer, closer trek. That place is really good.

And the UFC's affiliated with them now. Okay. Yeah. Very interesting. Yeah, they're really good. I know a lot of people. Eddie Bravo's been down there multiple times, but I know a lot of UFC fighters that have been down there.

Man, I've been to, again, Colombia, what is it, medalline? Am I saying? Medelline. I always fucked that up. But for, hey, the food down there was fucking delicious. Oh, yeah, man. Went out there with my Jedi Abe and fucking, he took me in the town. The food, I was eating the bread.

I was, and I'm just, again. South America knows how to do that. You know, fuck that pro mate. It's so good. Yeah, I went down there. Dan Severn was down there. Dan the beast. He was in a fucking wheelchair,

getting rolled around. Oh, no. He's in a wheelchair now? No, just for that trip because he was getting a stem cell. Oh, oh, oh, oh. A breaker. Oh, yeah.

You got me addicted to these fucking things. Yeah, you got my at home of my Muay coach at home, Vince Moskey runs the arm tie program. He goes, yeah, tell Rogan, thanks. I tried them fucking. Zins and now I'm addicted to him, you know, so I took my whole vacation off of them. And like I said, I was like wondering what it was going to feel like. I was like, oh, my word.

No, nothing. It's fine. There's nothing. I just think it's, I think it might be a biological thing. You know, some people, cigarettes just get them and they just want to smoke cigarettes every day. And some people, nicotine gets them. I think some people could just stop taking nicotine, and they seem to be all right. And thankfully, I seem to be one of them.

It helps me shit. I don't think you have a couple of those with my espresso and a seltzer in the morning. Oh, Jesus. You know, it's terrible. I feel so great. It's terrible for playing pool. If you take too many of them, you're like, you're shaky. You don't have, like, a good connection between your movement.

You feel, you feel, like, weird when you're shooting. Like, you don't notice it when you're talking because it's, it is a stimulant. So it's, like, stimulating your brain. It actually, like, helps brain function. Nicotine itself is a neotropic. It's a nutrient that helps brain function. Like it'll help you pass tests I think it helps my ADD a little

It probably does Terrible for pool though But I'm still on that alpha brain So that's all the That's legit We got gummies now too, man OD? Oh

Yeah Yeah, I'll take some too I got a I'll give you guys open Jar of them We'll get out of here How many do you take? I take three

Oh shit Back on On the Duplice fight there I mean we were talking last night, we both think that DDP can pull this out and win it. Like my mind my mindset, and look,

we all know Comzac's a savage. He can win it too. I could see either one of these guys win this fight. But if I, you know, if we look at it, I mean, his two toughest opponents save for Whitaker, who went in there with a broken face and got it broke the rest of the way.

Right. You know, Gilbert won 70, and maybe Gilbert won that one. Kamaru 170 took it on very short notice. Off the couch. Almost won that one. If it goes longer, probably he does win that one. That was middle weight. Yeah, but he's 170 pounder. If he's making 70 all the time and going to 85, now you're fighting a dude that walks at 230, so he's not going to have a big strength advantage over him. Yeah, he's going to be the better

wrestler, you know, but I just think that Drickis is going to be able to weather the storm, then come out the other side and it's going to be a problem and if comzot comes in people are talking about him fighting at a slower pace well that's not his style and if he fights at a slower pace i think that plays into drickus's hands because it will allow him to move forward and pressure him and the thing so it's going to be interesting to see if it gets into deep water that's what's going to be interesting because i know he started training with uh calavita so yeah for his conditioning yeah he went to sam calveda who trained tj j j He works with Aaron Pico, Armand Sarukian's doing it with him too, and that guy's a legend, man.

Calavita is a... No, 100%. He's a real... I believe with cardio, too, part of it is your mental, your mindset, like with pushing through the tired. And, you know, we were talking a little last night, and, you know, Comzat's a bad motherfucker. I don't know about his mind yet. Well, this is the thing. This is what I was getting at.

He pulls out of a bunch of fights, you know. Armand Sarukian, who also just pulls out. out of it. But Armand said the problem was Hamzat overtrained for every fight, and he would always come into fights worn out. And that was the difference between work with Calveda. They're monitoring his actual recovery. They're making sure they're doing everything scientifically. Calvita, I think his background is in cycling. Like, it was in, you know, endurance sports. Yeah, yeah. I'm familiar. I'm familiar with him. I know who he's, I know he was TJ's guy. Nobody knows more about cardio than cyclers, because it's all cardio.

The whole thing, it's all cardio. So they know- Cardio and EPO. They, yeah, they know that, too. Well, they know how to recover, and they know, like, what's your threshold, like, where you should be? Yeah, for sure, for sure. So he's using real science to do it. And he's like, this is the first time he's ever been through a camp like this, where he's coming in fresh, where he's not overtrained. Well, we're going to see.

Yeah, we're going to see. And my question is, too, if he gets in a bad spot, is he going to push through it? Will the bully crumble, you know, when? It didn't crumble with Gilbert. It didn't crumble with Gilbert. It's true. It's true. He got sat down by Gilbert, too, though.

But Drake has even said in that fight, how it started strong, there's a certain amount. He was counting how many minutes he was just standing in front of him. He said that with both those fights. His fight with Gilbert and Kamar Housman. He had the exact amount of time. He goes for three minutes and whatever seconds, he was just standing in front of him. He was saying that for both guys. Camaro was coming on strong in that third round.

I know. He was coming on. That was a five-round fight. I bet the betting would strong. shift. For sure. Oh, yeah, 100%. He started coming on at the end of the second. He started to, yes. In the third round, it was like clear.

It was all Usman, I thought. Yeah, I mean, but it is impressive the way that motherfucker can shoot from halfway across the octagon. No one. He's wrestling, too, like, I don't know, do you know Pat Downey? Yes. All right, well, he's, I've known him since he's a little kid, and he was in Comzot's

camp and said, like, he said his wrestling, he goes, wrestling is like real good. He said he's got top-not wrestling like he talked about he said we probably both did better with each other than you would think like he did better with wrestling and I did better with the jiu-jitsu he said but uh he said like he said the guy's a piece said he's strong said he's and he said he's a high-level wrestling shab was down there watching him train and you know they asked shop they asked shop to spar with him he's like fuck you he was like I'm 40 something years old I'm not no I'm done I'm not doing this

anymore and he said Hamzat was just lighting people up he said he looks really good. Nice. The thing about Hamzat should be a good one. All these guys were 170s, right? You're right

about that. But with 170 comes speed, right? And Humzot's speed is a factor. It's a big factor with his hand speed. He's, you know,

people forget because, like, what he did to Kevin Holland, the way he could ragdoll guys on the ground, but what he did to Gerald Merrschart, it's pretty fucking spooky too.

Yeah, you know? That's a really good punch. It's a really good punch. It's technical and sharp and straight down the middle round the guy. He's a very well-rounded guy. fucking good standing up man he's good standing up and that's where it's going to be weird that

that's where i want to see because duplicy makes everybody look stupid he finds a way he makes every mistake he must got a lot of power but they're not mistakes for he for sure has a lot of power but someone did a great breakdown of what he did with uh robert whittaker where he set up that right hook and the way he was like recognizing that whittaker had this certain pattern and and it's not like it looks weird because he just moves different than everybody else. That's all. He's stiff. Whatever it is, it works.

And when he hits you, it's like, he can't hit by a car. It doesn't have to be that pretty. That's what I'm saying. Right. He's got to have power to make guys so nervous about getting hit by him. Bro, that cat is so big. He looks like a fucking heavyweight when you're next to him. You're like, how are you middleweight?

How are you 185 ever? The thing that I, that come, that I keep thinking about is like, when's the last time he actually, though, for the guy with Comsout style. I mean, who's trying to shoot on him? Besides, maybe there was a Derek Brunson or something, but when's the last time he fought a guy that's just going to be... No one has Hamzot style in the UFC. But even

a grapple, a street wrestler. What, DDP said, he said, look, I'm fully prepared. I'm going to get taken down. Like, he's not in there saying my wrestling, I'm stuffing him. He said, I'm going to get taken down, but I'm going to weather the storm and I'm going to be able to get back up. I would advise a strong warm-up

in a rubber suit. You know, I'm so slippery as fuck. If you don't want to cheat, you can bend the rules because it's not cheating. I mean, when he gets on top of somebody, man, you definitely don't see guys getting him off of you. Well, when you've got a guy who's got, I mean, that actually might not be a bad idea.

Get him with those track suit things. To get warm up with a... Might not be a bad idea. Because you totally can do that. Like, no one could stop you from doing that. Wittaker was defending okay when he was. down there. Well, I mean, everybody remembers his teeth getting shattered, but before that

he wasn't the dead. Likely, he would have survived because Camaro survived it too, right? It's possible to survive. Unless he just, like, what he did at Kevin Holland was kind of crazy. He just went one to the other, just just crushed

him. Gilbert, his guard kept him out of it. Yep. You got to have a decent guard. Because he don't like it. When Gilbert started moving his hips, he said, nah, I'm out of here. I'm out of here. But Gilbert's actually really world-class, you know, he's real-class. World-class. Yeah, Gilbert's dangerous as fuck everywhere.

You know, it was interesting watching him roll with Rockhold because I know that, you know, it's not like Rockhold was in camp and prepared for this, and this is Rockhold at its best. I don't even know how much he had been training, but Hamza just handled him. Yeah, manhand. Just handled him. And we know how good Rockhold is. Yeah, very good at least. Bro.

Listen, what's so exciting about it is there's a chance he could just take him down and do everybody else. There is that chance. Definitely. Because he's so good on the floor and he's, he comes out so aggressive, but that's the, if he survives it, you know, history shows. And does he have the confidence to go for it and possibly empty the gas tank and get the finish? And if he doesn't, how fucked is he? He has no other way.

I don't think he, I take down and smash. That's what he wants, that's what he's, he makes no, you know, you can't adjust now. He's not disguising it. You can't adjust now in the world. a championship fight. You've got to just hit the gas. It's a sprint. Instinct's going to kick in, and he is a sprinter.

You know what I mean? That's the question is, can he sprint for five rounds because we know DDP can. Right. Him and Strom Strickland, they were ready to have heart attacks at the end of that fight. They were ready to have heart attacks. It's probably like the most elevated heart level

we've ever seen in a world championship fight. Getting his nose busted like that. Oh, yeah. It was a old one. And fighting with staff. He had staff. He had staff to the second fight. That's why he was listless.

Yeah. He was on antibiotics and everything. He's all fucked up. Yeah, it fucking's terrible, man. That happens all the time. Meanwhile, that happened with Marab. He fucking... No one didn't even notice.

No one even noticed. Marab is different, man. Morab is so different on antibiotics. He's outworking everybody. Like, that's crazy. That was the... That was the... Which fight was that?

With the staff? Yeah. Was it the Umar fight? I think it was the Umar fight. Which was crazy because that was... The pace that melted Umar, and he's doing it while he's on end up by eye. His back was hurt, too, for that, wasn't it? Yeah, yeah, there was times he wasn't sleeping through the night.

He couldn't. That is. He is. He is a different. That is nuts, bad. I saw John Wood the other day. They think they're just going to run through Corey. Oh, I don't know.

Marab's just going to run through Corey. I'm like, I don't know about running through him. You've got to be real careful with hubris. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure. Marob's not. Yeah, I don't believe Marab's not. thinking like that yeah that's not Marab saying that John Wood said that well he I mean Marab could have had leg amputated

Jesus dude that's Marab though I don't need leg they could have taken my leg he said oh he was just taping it up and going back to practice oh no no no no no no no no someone close to Marab told me that regular people would have probably had their leg amputated if they had to deal with the staff infection that he had on his leg Jesus he was just Just like taping it up and going, I don't believe that. Whoever told you that, that's not true. They would put antibiotics on that. That's not true.

They don't just randomly amputate people's legs, I hope. I hope. It said he had broken his hand early in the fight. Oh, Numergummedov did. He said, I broke my back in training camp, but some days I couldn't get up from the bed. I just laid down. I don't have a training camp.

I don't have a Kibnabegov to help me train. Some days at the P.I. was closed it was christmas there was new years and weekends and it happened a couple of times umar was there and the security goes i'm sorry we can't let you go in oh i don't know yeah marob's different yeah marob's built different yeah but there's also there's something about dudes that were that were from that part of the world that is a war torn part of the world and it makes a different kind of man he's the american dream man i just had him on my pod and we were talking for over an hour about his whole journey

and dude when he came over he did not to see him like I couldn't even communicate with him like I could because I have a way but he didn't speak any English when I see him doing the skits now the chicken banana he's funny as shit he's funny he's just

he goes back and now he goes back to his to Georgia just they had the chariots next to him this people trying to jump on the bus it makes me so happy man because you've seen his whole journey when he first came to New York, he was got linked up with fucking retards. And these guys were morons. And thank God he ran to Longo at the Hensor Gracie Academy.

And then he found his way to Longos. And then that's a problem, right? If you don't know where to go and you wind up at a real bad camp and then they claim you forever. Oh, man. He had him doing the goal. He had him doing the gold. Just like a bad wife. This guy was a box.

That's what I always say. It's like a bad marriage. Just like a bad marriage. Yeah. Yeah, but he found his way. Yeah, oh, you guys are so good. You and Longo, without a doubt, need a reality show. Oh, fuck.

Yeah. You need some sort of reality show with you two guys coaching people and then going to dinner. It would be a great show. I fucking love it when you guys, I would really love it when you guys were, you know, in the corners when you get miced up. I know. Yeah. It's the best. We have a good time.

It's great. The two of you guys together, it's a fun team. Everybody says that. Everybody wants to see a show of you guys. I told him last night. When he's on your podcast, he's the best. You know what's so cool now, man? I have my 16-year-old over there.

He's holding for a, it just makes me say. That gets me emotional. Oh, my God. That's awesome. It's so cool, man. You know, he's 67. He's still fucking going, man, long ago. He's the best.

He's such a great. He's awesome. But you two in the corner are so uniquely fun. It's so fun to watch. Like, if I was a television producer, I'm like, that is a no-brainer. We took our guy down to the flagpole. Maybe Paramount Plus. Listen to this.

This new merger, whatever was happening. We got some content here. That's exciting, I guess. We have Paramount Plus show. You and Ray Longo, Paramount Plus, going to pizza places, talking shit. I'm not against it. Going to the fights. Go into the fights, like talking about your fight.

See, it's like a built-in show. You have fighters that you're training. You talk about how he's doing. Talk about how he came to you. You two guys just talk about the world. Yeah, fucking producers out there. Somebody you get a... Listen to Joe.

It keeps digging. Is that me? I don't hope that's not me, is it? It might be me. I don't think it's me. I'm pretty sure I've airplane. I think it's me. Yeah, it's totally a built-in show.

Like, you can't miss. Ah, we have a good time. You know what I mean? Be like, you should do it. You know? If you have the time. Yeah. All I'm doing is...

You can find me at my school or my podcast, Matt's every channel on YouTube. I'm having fun with that. So what, what, guys? And then, uh, dude, I'm having. Dude, I do movie reactions. You know what I do with that? I watch a movie and they... React in real time?

They're just talking shit, watching a movie. Oh, that's great. It's fucking fun. I play my VR, which is fucking fun. And then I have people in. Like, I had Marab and I, oh, I had Keith Jardine the end in the other day. Keith Jardine, man, let's plug his new movie. What the fuck was it?

Kill me again. Kill me again. Me and my wife went to Tribeca for the other. And I saw Tate. Tate's in it, your buddy, Tate Fletcher. What a sweetheart, Tate's. He's such a nice guy.

I love that. Just one of the guy you want to hug. Yeah, big huggable person. Big hugable bear. And it's almost, this movie, Kill Me Again, right? He written and directed it, Keith Jardine. And it's basically Groundhog Day,

but a serial killer. Oh, Jesus. Oh, it's fucking, it's really good. It was, I mean, listen, I wouldn't even bring it up if I thought it was shit, to be honest. It was a fun movie. You can get it on Amazon Prime. I believe you.

Yeah. Is it on Amazon Prime now? It's on Amazon Prime now? Prime. He could buy it. It came out August 8th and I'm proud of him. And what a sweetheart that guy is. Yeah, he's Jardine. Jardine's awesome. He was in a great movie called Shot Caller.

Yeah, that was a good movie. Fuck, Jamie Lannister. He gets, you know, he's driving drunky, but with his couple, he's like a yuppie with another couple. You know, something happens. The guy gets killed in the back seat, goes to jail, kind of like you know, white collard.

Next thing you know, he's got a fucking show. He's not a bitch. And now he's a Hardin motherfuckers, fucking shanking people, John Bernethal's in there. Shot call, you like it. Shock hole is pretty good. I remember that. Look at this.

Yeah. This was a good fucking movie. And Keith Chardine is in this. Was Keith a bounty hunter? No, he was in his call? No, but was he an actual bounty hunter in one point in his life? Shit, man.

He didn't bring that up on the show. Unless he did, I would have remembered that. See if that's true. He was, I went over his whole fucking story. I hope I'm not a mad. He was more of a grappler than he was. He was a strike. Yeah, he was a bounty hunter.

He wasn't fucking bounty. Jardine worked as a personal trainer, a firefighter, football coach, minor and bounty hunter. Manor and bounty hunter. That's two of the hardest fucking human beings that have ever lived, connected.

It's so funny. He's very soft-spoken, though. He's very, like, nice. He's a great guy. He looks like a fucking bike. That's some awesome fights. I asked him if he ever, because I said, you know,

sometimes I'm at a UFC thing, and they'll go, hey, Joe, can I have a picture? I go, the wrong ball guy. I asked him, I asked him. I asked me about Dave. I'm Dana. I ask them, I go, look, you got to answer this for me

because have you ever been mistaken for the techno Viking? You know who that I am? He does look like him. He does look like him. He looks exactly like him. The techno Viking is a fucking guy. Jamie pointed out that that might have been staged.

Really? I don't know. That looks like him. Jamie, Jamie, Jamie's one of the dudes. The techno Viking. Jamie does not like the wool being pulled over here. his eyes, so he thinks that everything is staged. I don't know. Everybody's happened. There he is.

This guy. Keith Jardine. Came in. He kicks the guy out. He looks just like Keith Jardine. It's already questionable. That's being filmed and this guy's like center stage. Yeah. I mean, you do have a point there. You got a point. Give this guy a bottle of water. Let's fucking go. Let's go.

Yeah. If I was still clubbing, this is how I'm walking. Yeah, 100%. Look at him. Boy. He's all mollied up. He's ready to go. Oh, yeah. Mollied, he's probably got... That guy's a boss. He's probably got one of them cruising doses in his system.

He's got his minions behind him, carrying his water. Probably legit Viking jeans, too, man. At least some of them. Fucking looks like it. Yeah. Got his Thor's hammer around his neck. Well, he looks like the 21st century version of it. Yeah.

You know, what... Come on, man. The original Vikings probably looked like those strong men dudes. You see coming out of Iceland. I bet that's what showed up all the fuckers. Can you have a picture? Imagine that. A bunch of half Thor Bjormson showed up.

Bro, who's that guy that Viking dude that fights in Walterway to just fuck Chaos Williams? Oh, um. Oh, the one looks like a fucking caveman. And he brought up. He brought up a being a viking. He got famous for being ugly. Is it Andreas? What is his name?

Yeah. It looks just like Keith joining. That's crazy. It is Andreas. Jamie, could you go to Chaos, Williams, Wikipedia, look up his M.MA career. Because chaos is fucking good, man.

He hits hard. He's hard. Dangerous guy. He got worn the fuck out by this dude. This is another one of those dudes. Me and D.C. have been talking about this. Like, extreme physicality is a tool. You know, and Coleman used to say this. Yeah, Andreus Gustafsson. And I was like, it kind of is a skill.

Andreas Gustafson. Yeah, this guy's fucking terrifying, man. It's a different dude. And which you should see, go to Andreas Gustafsson workout. Just Google workout. And this dude is hard core powerlifter. Like when you see some of the shit he's doing, the amount of strength that this guy has, you're like, oh, Jesus. Like, there's guys that are not that big, right?

Like, you know, see that janitor who pulls pranks on Instagram who walks up to these big. meat heads and lifts up to stuff he's not that big though but these super strong dudes who practice powerlifting you can be incredibly strong and not look like a bodybuilder and that's this guy he's a 185 no he's a 70 no he's 170 170 but this motherfucker is so strong man when he gets a hold of guys he's just ragdolling people you know chaos has been very consistent in his career with good takedown defense he knows how to fight guys off dangerous striker and he couldn't do shit to this guy it was like he was all over him man sure he was a one-sided ass whooping like a real

one-sided ass whooping that i didn't expect i was like that is uh i thought it'd be a good fight and it was just a mauling man i thought chaos was going to clip him he could easily have the power that chaos has he puts guys out with one shot but this dude just tucks his chin down and Wade's bombs at you until he gets a grip on you and then just starts throwing you around. It's 170? He's well-drawn. He's 117. I'll tell you who's the dark horse in that division. Who's that?

Who's that? Shorn Brady. Oh, yeah. I don't even think he's the dark horse. No, no, I don't... After that Leon Edwards fight? People aren't talking about him enough, though. That's what I'm saying. That Leon Edwards fight was crazy. I'll be with them tomorrow. Yeah, shit.

Yeah, dude, he's looking great, Sean Brady. I love his style. He's a monster. It's so funny. I'm on and he's like, you know, people are always talking about me being short for Welth away and I'm 5'9. It's not like I'm 5'6 or, I'm like, ah, I'm a shot! I'm your fan!

Come on, man! It's funny. Got that turtle muscle on his back. He's trying to get an extra crush your head muscle. He's trying to get that Ian Gary fight. Is that what he's looking for right now? Well, he'll fight anybody. Well, you know, I would love to see him fight for the title.

I mean, I think that's a reasonable fight. Like Jack Della Like who's next after If Jack Della in Islam fight Which seems to be the exact What's gonna happen Who's next after that Like who's in number one position right now

I think Ian Gary has to be up there It's either It's Sean or Balau Well right Ian Gary has one loss right Yeah He just He lost to

Combs Not Kams Not Kamsat Shopka Shopcott right Real close fight But that one loss Set him back a little bit

So Bilal's number one but you know I bet they're going to want Bilal to fight somebody else they seem to have a hard on for Bilal I know you know what I mean

nice fucking guy the numbers don't mean that's the fight that gets made right not always I think Sean Brady's only the only problem the only one loss he has is from Bilal right can you put that back up Jamie Sir

can see who else is in there no man so it's like if you look at that division you know that division has gone through There's so many different changes. So you've got Shavkat who just had some kind of surgery that's undisclosed, right? We don't know what injury he's recovered from, but he had like a pretty significant injury, apparently. And then you got Leon, Camaro.

Michael Morales is the real dark horse of that division. Right. He fucked Gilbert Burns up. He fucked him up. Yeah, that looked like Gilbert just didn't belong in that. Sure did. And that's weird to see, right? I don't know it's Gilbert a lot of miles a lot of fights yeah I like to see Sean

Brady get his shot that's what we're working on Dean Thomas how should he must be strong he's strong as fuck he's fucking yeah he wears all of us I dude I like his positional his jiu-jitsu is very very good for fighting I'll tell you nowadays I can't even watch some jiu-jitsu matches I watch it's just fucking a lot of scissoring and I'll tell you what man I was blown away by Camaro versus Joaquin Buckley I was blown Oh, yeah, yeah. He looked like Camaro was the champion. He looked like the champion.

He looked like if Joaquin was challenging Camaro for the title, that's the Camaro that you would expect to see. That's what he looked like. He probably looked good. Yeah, he showed up for good IQ. But also the ability to move, right? Like you didn't seem hampered by his knees or the things that people talked about. And that's what we thought it was going to see.

We thought he was an old-ass man with them bad knees. Didn't look bad at all. No. And I think, you know, it's a lot of it is mental strength. of sure, but it's also like he hasn't really taken a lot of damage other than the big high kick from Leon and you know

if you go and you watch his fights he had a pretty good war with Colby before he won. I mean they exchanged a lot of blows you know Gilbert dropped him, remember that? But overall not a lot of damage in his career mostly he's been the dominator

you know so even though he's 37 I think he's still pretty fresh I thought it was good to see him go back to his wrestling roots a little bit. A lot of times the wrestlers get good with their hands and all of a sudden they forget about what got him to the show and he just straight manhandles.

He did, but he also looked good on the feet, man. He looked good everywhere in that fight. Disciplined and just good straight punches. I thought Sean Brady looked great in his last fight with his hands too. 100%. And to do that to Leon, where you know Leon knows he can't lose again. He

lost the title and he wants to come back and get it back And now all of a sudden you get this turtle shell motherfucker in front of you. Right. It just seems insanely strong. How's Colby still in these rankings? I was thinking the same thing when I saw it. Kind of crazy.

I wonder how much of that would be like because he's still super valuable. Yeah, it's got to be. Yeah, because if you're a guy, like, why kick him out? If you're a guy like Shavcott and they offer you Kobe, you know, in the main event of a fight night or something like that. Yeah. Like, that's a great fight for both guys. They'll probably make way more money.

So how does that work with Paramount now? I don't know. Here's the question. I thought you'd have the inside. Yeah, man. I don't talk to Dana about business. Right. You know?

Yeah. I heard they're raising the... I'm more of a... I'm almost a socialist when it comes to that shit. I would be the worst. They'd fucking fire me for sure. I would change the pay structure immediately. You know?

But I wonder if you're... Can I get one of you? Yeah, you want a mint? That's a mine mince. That's neuro gum. The neuro mince. I have the gum. Oh, I'm mine.

You want one? I need it for my fucking brain. Give me some of that. You have one left in here. Nice. Take the last one. Oh, thank you. It looks dirty on the outside with us coffee.

No, I'm good. I had a gummy. It's tasty. Yeah, I'm always giving myself mine mince and all that's shit and I'm still stupid. What were we just talking about? The pay structure. Oh, yeah. So they used to get the money from pay-per-view, right?

So if you were a guy like Connor McGregor that's going to get two million pay-per-views, Like, you get a percentage of that, and, you know, you're set for life, right? Yeah. You get one big one like that, and woo. How does that work now? So how does that work now? How does it work now if it's for free? There's no more pay-per-view.

He did say, I did hear him saying he's up in the fight night. Yeah, the bonuses. I did see that. Yeah. The low-hanging fruit that's easiest to answer. Bonuses are obviously going up. That's great. That'll be big.

And forget about the tide rising with all the other fighters. Just the number of the bonuses bring to a fighter. It's millions of dollars. Okay, well that's great Okay, so then there's a bonus structure Like if that many people watch your thing You get millions of dollars That's what he's saying

That would be cool That sounds great That's what Paramount's got a ton of loot And this is a great move for them Good content too You know people are gonna sign up for Paramount Plus If you get free UFCs forever That's crazy

That's great And South Park And South Park and a bunch of other shows This is a shitload of shows All of Taylor Sheridan's shows were all paramount shows. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But did anybody see this coming?

No one saw this coming. No one saw this coming. No one saw it. Bro, I'm tight with Dana. And I talked to him about, we were talking about the problems with this and the problems with that, but I need to ask him this weekend in Chicago if it's true that the Netflix people wanted to stop the fights in the apex. They didn't want any fights in the apex.

They wanted to fights with like big crowds. Yeah. Like they wanted to be big, big, big, big, big. Like all the fights big, big, big, yeah. One of the best heavyweight fights of all time in terms of like the result. in terms of, like, the result was Francis Ingano versus Steepi Miochich with no crowd at all in the apex in the small ring. Yep.

Yeah. It was like one of the best, like, you want to watch, like, a guy in his prime who's fucking terrified who's figured it all out versus a guy who's got, he's a legend, he's a champion, but he's got a lot of miles on him and there's a lot of wars. And you see it with no one there. You hear in the huff and huff of each breath. Every time Francis hits him, you fucking feel that. that thud in your cells.

Hey, you don't got to sell me, man. I love watching fights at the apex. Oh. I love it. It's my favorite. Me too. I mean, I really believe that the smaller cage just forces more action. That's why I fight just so good in it.

I was wondering if they would downsize the arena cage because of the, you know, the quality of the fights that was in the smaller cage. The problem with that is, like, when you got a guy that is just very footwork-based and has developed his style. Yeah, you're fucking them. You're fucking them. That's a fact. He's developed his style based on his ability to move around a full-size cage.

The Netflix thing is from a troll account, I think. Oh, troll did it? I think so. Oh, that's good. Well, who knows why they decided to not do it? But, man, whoever gets the UFC and does the no-paper-view model, you just gained millions of subscribers instantaneously. But I'm also like, do you think it'll be better for the casuals now that everybody can see?

Oh, 100%. 100%. Yeah, for sure. Because everybody's going to get every. pay-per-view now for free. Everybody's scrolling through the channel. It's like, oh, let's see who's fighting. I wonder how much money I'll save a year now.

And you turn. You know, save me 80 a month or two. You know, you tune it in. You watch one Alex Pereira high kick knockout. You're like, oh, shit. And then you're hooked. And then the next time it's on, you're like, oh, the UFC's on. And then boom, you've got more fans.

I mean, it's the most exciting to the average spectator because you don't have to know anything. You have to know shit to watch guys just go to war. True. I'm just surprised that ESPN didn't. Step up? Well, just, yeah, well, I mean, at seven point, you ask what I'm saying, at 7.7, like, they probably was like,

nah, we're good. Their app was shit anyway. Well, Paramount's giving them a billion dollars a year for seven years. I mean, that's wild. That's a lot of loot. Yeah. Yeah. I'm excited about that, um, Aaron Pico.

Oh, yeah. This whole card. I'm excited about it. I think it's the right time. Ron Murphy's no joke. No joke. I don't know. Who do you got on this?

I got Aaron people, man. I'm not sure. I still am. I think that the UFC jitters is a real thing, man. It is. UFC jitters is a real thing, and Murphy is no joke. No joke. He is super solid, super technical, everywhere.

Good footwork. And if Aaron wants to be a boxer, this kid is really explosive on his feet. He's got the wrestling too much. He does, but he don't use it enough, I don't believe. Murphy, to me, is very much like Leon Edwards in his prime at 145. For sure. Very similar. Very similar. Strong everywhere.

Super technical. Doesn't make any mistakes. He's good, man. I think he's a more aggressive version, too. Leon could kind of cruise at times where I think Murphy's looking to finish you. He's world championship potential. He's certainly world championship potential. He is coming on short notice, too.

Who is? Murphy. Yeah, but he's a consummate professional. Yeah, I was supposed to say. He's a type of guy. They said straight up, he's ready. They said three weeks might be too much time because he's ready all the time. Well, this is the word out of that part that camp is that guy's always training,

which is what you want to see from a guy like that who's undefeated, and also not getting the shine that a lot of other guys in that division are getting. Props them for taking the fight, too. There's so many good guys in that division, you know, and Ilya is such a star that everybody was Volcanovsky in there, Yair, and everybody kind of got lost. Diego. Is it a five-rounder? It's the co-main event, right?

It's a three-rounder. That's a three-rounder. Oh, shit. That could change. It's not listed on the website as the co-main, but it's in their spot. It is, it is Co-Main, but it's still three rounds. I read that today. That's cool.

Well, that changes things. One of my paperwork. It's interesting because Pico is really good, man, but I would have liked to see him against someone, you know, to establish a name for himself. I thought he had a really good shot at beating Movesar. Well, Mowbr's crazy because the grappling from Mowzar is just off the charts, but you're not dealing with the kind of kick. that you're dealing with with Murphy. With Murphy, he's gonna chop you up on the outside and if you're heavy on that front leg

because you like boxing, like, ooh, a couple of those calf kicks, change everything. He's got a lot of spinning attacks, yeah, a lot of everything. He's a problem. He's a problem. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I thought Aljo beat. I thought Aljo won that fight too.

I only cooked the round ended with Molesor on top, but he was dominating that. I thought Aljo won that fight as well. I thought Aljo won that fight as well. But it was close, but I thought Aljo won that fight as well. Most of our is very, very, very good. But that's a good fight for Pico because Pico's an elite grappler

and he's got real dangerous hands, real dangerous hands. I thought Pico would have beat him. It would have been a great fight for him. It would have been an interesting fight for him. This is a different fight. Yeah. This is a different fight and I think a more dangerous fight in a lot of ways just because of his style.

The footwork. Yeah. It's going to be tough for Pico. He's tough, man. Murphy's tough. And again, he's one of those guys that is way better than his public like persona

people don't know about it yet there's so many guys in that division man the division's crazy it's filled with killers filled with killers this card's a good one killers and stars too like and uh jego lopez jeff neal yeah john silver

bro that fight is going to be oh are you going to that that's in uh guadalajara no it's in san Antonio oh yeah yeah yeah it was but you're it's in Texas I might go to that yeah it's um that John Silver guy looks like a world champion it's another one he looks like a world fucking champion for sure he's a character too yeah oh yeah the barking and shit i like that bro what he did to bryce mitchell

was just well he sent him down you sent him down the band yeah for sure you made yourself lightheaded barking out at the at the wolf earlier yeah i got a little lightheaded the fact that he was like so relaxed and laughing and like he's just he just knew it was a matter of time and then submitted him and put him to sleep what's funny about that is bryce mitchell who just went down and wait looked great great. So that's the right division for him. That's the right division for him. I mean, he's got two choices.

Bulk way up and cut down, which is what most of these guys are doing. Yeah. Or go to 135, which he looked great. And that was just disciplined for him. Just got to live a better life. Right, because he was never like real ripped at 45. Yeah. He's eating cornbread on the farm and shit.

I don't know what he eats. I'm sure he eats healthy. I mean, he's a very good grappler. I'll tell you that. That guy's dangerous. Yeah, he's got good jiu-jitsu. Really smart. I've seen a lot of his tutorials online.

Yeah, very good stuff. But, you know, John Silva's just a different thing, man. There's guys that are just better everywhere. Yeah, and I thought he would have gave Ilya a problem. I think so, too. Yeah. Like, if I played down and he fought John Silver, I thought that was going to be a problem for Ilya. Yeah.

Both have one-punch knockout power. And John Silva is a very good kicker. Yeah. It's different. Like, Ilya does not throw a whole lot of kicks, and most of them are to the legs. Mm-hmm, right? I'm sure he can. I mean, he might do that just because we're talking shit right now.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But what Ilya does do is he touches you, and that's what Faraa Hobby calls the touch of death. He's got that touch of death, man. When he did that shit to Charles, I was like, I can't even believe I'm seeing this. They folded them. Folded him.

You didn't look bad on the floor either. I know. I know. I know. Remember we talked about that? Like, yo, I think we were the back time. I was like, yo, this is crazy, man. No one should be doing this, and he goes out there and does it.

It's like Arnold on pumping iron when he was, remember he's telling Lou Fragno at breakfast. So I called my parents, I won already. That's a big difference, though. All he has to do is flex. In his underwear. I had to go out there and knock out Charles Oliver. Yeah, was one punch. That was wild, man.

That dude has pow. He looked good on the floor, too. Oh, no. He's a good. Like I said, like I saw footage of him and Marab wrestling, like, you know, I don't know where they were. And I didn't see anybody get caught in this video, but, like, Ilya just seemed to be one step ahead. And the wrestling exchanges, you know, so he's at least on Marab's level, and Marab's a savage. You know what he does?

It's really interesting. He talked about it on the podcast. He trains each sport individually, and then he puts them all together. So he doesn't train MMA Jiu-Jitsu. He trains Jiu-Jitsu with Jiu-Jitsu guys. So he trains with elite jiu-jitsu guys, elite wrestlers, he wrestles with elite wrestlers, boxes with elite boxers, does everything, and then puts it all together himself. I mean, that is the way to do it.

But if it's like, I'm not being it together off the back. Yeah, I think so. Interesting how some camps don't do that. You go there and, you know, you have everybody's doing MMA. He's like entering into jiu-jitsu spaces, training there, entering into boxing spaces. I think it's smarter when to do it. And because of that, like, we all know that the boxing in boxing is at a higher level than the boxing in the UFC. There's no way to be as good as David Benavides if you're not boxing your whole fucking life and doing it every day and only doing that.

There's no way. You're not going to be as good as him. Right, for sure. And so we're, we know that. So, but if you can get more closer to that by training with them and only training with them, you get alienia to Boria. Yeah. I mean, that's what you get. That's what you get.

You get a guy who's boxing with boxers. Yeah, I think you retain more details. Yeah. You know what I mean? But, man, the discipline you have to have to. do all those things with the same kind of intensity and then put it all together well i mean he's got a very like he's and that's the benefit of not having like this big camp doing it all like when you're just by yourself and everybody around you is helping you get to these places and do those

things it's a huge benefit yeah and it's also like today we know what everybody else could do too like if you're at a certain level like illy is already you know your abilities like you don't necessarily have to be in a camp where there's a bunch of people. Right. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like, you don't need that. Yeah, you know which guys you have to bring in for Spartan partners. Concentrate everything on you.

That way you're not dealing with all these dudes in the locker room that maybe you've got beef with and Colby's talking shit about your girlfriend. You're just trying to use the sauna. Fuck off, Colby. You know what I mean? It's like there's something to be said for them really small camps. Yeah, I think, and, you know, as we move forward, evolved man I think that's the direction

it's going like all the big guys gonna be like yeah for sure could you imagine Floyd Mayweather in class with everybody else hold you go I go you like that shit ain't happening yeah with a blue belt jujitsu class yeah exactly

that's a good point yeah I mean and most of those guys would take their camps outside you know like Muhammad Ali did it Tyson did it a lot of these guys they would go somewhere go to Big Bear Delaware did that

That was on their thing back in the day. Yeah. Shoot, what about Crawford and Canello? What do you think of that? Personally, I'm a big Crawford fan, so I'm going to lean his way. My only concern is just the size. Like, it didn't look like Terrence's power transferred in the last fight. So now it's coming up some more, you know what I mean?

Part of the problem with that is Modram was really good. It's really fucking good. I mean, but I just think Crawford is, it's weird to say, against Conno. But I think he's the better boxer, and I think he's the guy who can make the better in-fight adjustments if Canello doesn't kill him. It's going to be interesting. I'll tell you that. What do you think? I don't know.

You know, it's a big jump to go from 54, which was a step up from 47, right? Now he goes to 54, and now he's going to 68. That's so much weight. A lot of weight. But Terrence is, I think he's the best switch hitter since Hagler. Hagler was my favorite. I mean, they claim he's walking around like a buck, 90 or something. And you do know

he's a wrestler. So he's got that mentality to him. He also built up slowly. Like he took his time like it's been a long time training for this fight. He was, he came on this podcast more than a year ago and he was talking about that that's the fight he wants. And that was a long time

ago. So he's been trying to get that fight for a long time. So knowing after he beat Errol Spence that he wasn't ever going to fight at that weight again and then going up fighting Madrimov and then knowing he's got like at least a year before he fights Alvarez he got pretty big yeah yeah i like yeah i'm leaning but yeah he's slick man he's slick he's super intelligent like he sets traps he does stuff and then you know there's a bunch of great

breakdown videos of particularly the eros spence fight like him set in traps it's just he's a very high-level guy but canello's dangerous he broke billy joe saunders his whole face broke his whole face what he did to amyrican remember that shit oh yeah yeah oh Embarrassed him. Embarrassed. And never been down. Never been dropped. Canella just stood.

Yeah, Terrence, them, they ran out the apex for a while. I was training there. Kids running out of the kids running around all on the mat. I was, yo, get these bad-ass kids out of here. He was using the apex? Yeah, yeah. Why was he using the apex? I don't know.

I don't know. I'd see every day. 30 people, you know what I'm going to run it. 30 people. Yeah. Half of them in suits. How many? How many times did he use it?

Oh, he was there for a while. Really? Yeah. They were training at the apex. Interesting. And this was getting ready for this fight? Yeah, getting ready for this fight. Well, that makes sense because the UFC is co-promoted.

Dana is a part of that. I saw it on their website. I saw like, you know, by the Canelo Crawford fight. In my head, I was like, holy shit. And then I was like, oh, yeah, Dana's involved with this. Yeah. That's something you never thought you'd see. It's interesting.

It's because it's like, I wonder how that's going to affect combat sports. Like, what's going to happen? I mean, if the UFC model gets, if they start making fights. that people want. Like, there's a lot of fights that people just want that just don't get, like, if David Benavides and Canela Alvarez were in the UFC, that would be the fight to make. The UFC would have to figure out, like, hey guys, like, no, no, no, no, these are the guys. You guys have to fight. Like, this is the fight. Like, this is the fight. It can't be, I'm going to do something else. I'm going to fight Jake Paul. You know, it's got to change their culture, though, you know, because a loss in boxing means a lot more than a loss in MMA. Like, the MMA fans are more. accepting, especially if the fight was good. We're in boxing. Their whole role is to build you to 20 so they can get you title fights, and they're finding people for you along the way. Well, Canell lost to Beval, and he lost to Floyd, and I don't think it really damaged him that much. He's still a superstar. At that time, Floyd was the superstar, so I think it probably,

I mean, you know, Floyd jumped him at the right time. And Beval, like, I mean, again, Canello was doing his thing, moving up and Wade and things of that sort. So. As far as business model, I wonder if he's going to, with Dana involved, like the problem with boxing is nobody gives a shit about the undercard they show up for the main card. Is it possible for him to make it as exciting as a UFC

where he's got the whole lineup where the fights you want to see? Is there that many boxes out there that? Oh yeah, for sure. They can do that. And that they're trying to do that and that's one of the things that they're doing with those Riyadh series fights. So like they're trying to create the league and I think that's where it gets all into

the legislation and all that stuff is changing the Ali act and all that stuff but so I mean it gets a little tricky but I mean the the goal is to create a league to where boxers can go and then like losses won't mean as much that might see that's that might change right there because nobody really gives a fuck that much with the mixed martial arts you got your fan favorites you got guys you want to see you got fights you want to make people give them shit about what was the rara got knocked out by Izzy and he didn't lose any star right nothing nothing zero now exactly and then he came back and won the light heavyweight title and everybody's like he's back yeah

He's shooting his arrows. He's bad. Ha! Best walkout ever. Best walkout ever. No one's walkout is like his. It's hysterical. Calum Walsh and Fernando Vargas Jr.

That's good fight. Fernando Vargas Jr. That's great. Yeah. So these are two good fights. There's two good fights underneath that as well. But it's like they're going to have to do this consistently and build these people up and have real good video series like the UFC does.

with Embedded and what they do with the countdown shows and just really get everybody excited about it. I mean, is that a bad thing, no, for that? I mean, because people are being critical of the idea of that, but to me it sounds like a good thing. To get a bunch of high-end fights on one card? Well, no, I'm just saying, like, the idea of, like, a league for boxers to where there's a promotion that will do stuff like that for them, because boxing's not doing it for them. Well, it's all in how much money is getting distributed, right?

So the boxes that make a lot of money are the Canellos, the Floyds, the people that are superstars. They make a lot of money. Right. But dudes that fight on undercards that you're watching on TV, don't make shit. Right. And that's where everybody gets confused. Yeah. You watch UFC fights, and there's people that are undercards that are making way more money than the undercard people in a boxing match.

Way more money. Tons. Yeah. So it depends on who's on the card. You know, it really, the majority of the money, I'm sure, is going to the top guy. Whereas in the UFC, it's probably a more spread through a little bit more spread through. The bigger middle class. Yeah, but they don't have a high end that's the same.

Like Usik made $114 million, something like that. How is that fucking possible? How does that fucking possible? And Dubois made like $70-something million. They're just throwing that oil money around. It might even be selling Ussick's number wrong. I think it might have been like $1.30. That's ridiculous.

No, crazy money. Crazy money for that Dubois. fight. So that's the difference. So that's only possible with the boxing model. Right. So the guys who eat the most are going to eat the most most with the boxing model,

but the people underneath that are not going to be doing nearly as well. You think that fight made any money? If I'm giving 200 million out between the two guys that are fighting a fight, they're not getting that many pay-per-views. Where do the money come from? Bro, they got that black gold flowing

out of that. That's crazy. I'm about to say. That's crazy. How do you sustain that business model, though, if that's how they're doing it right now. Like, people scream about these guys making more money, but the UFC would be out of business if they paid that money because they're just not bringing that money in. Or get the Saudis to pay everybody the same. Let's take advantage of that black gold. Those dudes don't give a fuck. That money for them is like me ordering a pizza.

Like, hey, everybody guys want pizza? I'll make a call. They get a pizza delivered. They don't give a fuck. They're making insane amounts of money. like we don't even know how much money they have because it's not public it's not like us like you know like bezos has to like disclose his wealth like the richest man in the world like are you sure yeah well you got to think this got to be so much if they're paying these guys a hundred million dollars to box

to box not even do nothing like world changing well i think that's why canello was holding out with benavitas because the war the number that i heard was that 200 million he wanted 200 million to fight Benavitas. It seems like they're kind of close to that. Yeah. Well, you know, if they're getting in the 1.30s for Ussick, this is crazy. That's so much money.

To guarantee somebody? If they do a new model, they got it. Look, the early prelims, shit, I don't miss those. You got Edson Barbosa on early prelims versus Trucars. This whole thing is deep, man. I mean, that's a fucking sick fight right there. Yeah, two guys that want to bang it out. I like that Chachar close.

He's never had his, quite his day. Like, he gets to a certain level. Yeah. And then, uh, uh, uh, what is his name? Fucking, uh, barouche, Perouche, Baruch, Darouche, yeah, Garouche, yeah, give me another, uh, mint from the brain, but, uh, you know, Van Neal looked great in his last fight. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, he looked real good against Moikano, right?

Yeah, yeah, he's, he's a great fighter. And he's getting a little bit older, too. you know well he fools you with that gray hair I was supposed to say he looks like you 50 yeah he comes in like 36 yeah he's not that old man he's a savage

he did great in that McConnell fight yeah he's very good man it's a great great time for watching fights you know who else is on the card this weekend Jeff Neil Jeff Neil and Ronters oh that's right

Tim Elliott and Kai Asakura yeah bro Prattez Prattez and Jeff Neal that could be a banger and I think it all depends on which Jeff Neal shows up

A 100%. A 100%. If the good one show up, I think he knocks Prattes out. How about, I think Carlos Prattas takes us in the first round to knock out. Oh, and then is Jared Cannoneer and Michael Page. Yeah. That's the puzzle. Yeah.

How about how that dude just goes from middleweight to welterweight. Doesn't give a fuck. Does it matter. And no one even seems to talk about the fact that he's going up and down and wait. I'm a huge fan. And he's like 6'4. I'm a huge fan. Crazy.

No, he's so good. That he can make welterweight. But also... Chase Hooper fight, I think. The only person who figured him out was he and Gary. You got to drag him to the ground. Yeah, man. Brian Bano and Ruzaboyov.

That's a good fight, too. That dude is gigantic. He was a welterweight for a while, too, but he couldn't do it anymore. Yeah, remember? He lost to Wachim. Yeah. He was like a 6-5 welterweight. But he hits hard.

Oh, yeah. Dangerous. Dangerous, dude. Yeah. So he went up to 185. Yeah, he trains in Philly. I think he was out training with Homs out a little bit, though. Oh, yeah?

Yeah, a little bit for this camp. Was this his second or third middleweight? Because he quit, I think that last Buckley fight, he was like, enough of this welterweight bullshit. Brian Battle is so, I love when he fucking... Yeah, so that's his second fight. I love when Brian Battle fought in France, was it, in Paris? Oh, yeah, yeah. And he's like, there's no way he think I'm going to lose a fist fight to a French dude.

There's no way the butcher. He's going to lose... He's a lot of fun, man. Brian battles a lot of fun. To a French dude. They're all booing him. Oh, it was fucking great. Well, everybody's got to remember.

That's what Colby did when he beat. Damien, I, in Brazil. Less classy, though. Way less classy. But he was going full WWE heel. It saved his career. Oh, it made him millions. It made him millions.

Because they were cutting them. Yeah. You know, sell your soul if you'll. To be said, I agree, but there's something to be said if you're purely business-minded, talk a lot of shit. Yeah, about people's dead fathers, about their wives, what a piece of shit. No, his way. You know what I mean? Yeah, you talk like that.

You're looking over your show. He could be having a cup of tea in fucking London a year from now, 10 years from now. If Leon Edwards runs into, what do you think's going to happen? Remember you brought up my dead father motherfucker? I mean, dude, there's stuff, some stuff you could do for the entertainment, but then, hey, man, we talked about repercussions, bro. I want to talk about somebody's wife or kids or a dead parent. Yeah. It's the same thing.

Even with Connor in the beginning, he was a funny shit talker. And then it seemed later in the career, it was more almost like forced like he was trying to be the middle. You know what I mean? It's no fun. Well, it's also you're dealing with people that are dealing with the pressures of being at the top of one of the most dangerous occupations in the world. And every day when you go to bed, you know there's some dude out there that wants to kick you in the fucking dick. He's out there right now He's out there training

And that pressure Like sometimes wears on guys And over the course of time They get like neurological fatigue Like you're just fatigued from the Just the strain You don't give a fuck no more He just starts saying dumb shit

And then you get CTE And you know So there's a lot of things going on I mean also the pockets get fatter And you're under that microscope even more And then there's Down no no Down

If you want to hang out, you got to take a route. It gets crazy. And he probably gets the good stuff. I might try Connor's Coke. I've never tried Coke, but if I was going to, I try it from Connor. Man, it's not even like hiding it, man. Hey, bro, you got to love that part of him. Yeah, he don't care of a fuck.

He's a pure savage. Yeah, he don't care about it. You're a savage. And that's also why he was so good at fighting, man. In the middle of the Jose Aldo fight, I remember looking in his eyes and watching how calm, like, genuinely calm he was. I'm like, this guy just, and Dana said it best, he's like, he eats pressure. He just eats it. He likes it.

He wants it to be chaos. It's got a guy say that, but they don't really believe it. Yeah, I was at that fight. Thank you, Joe. And when he came in, like I tell the story to everybody about him, when he came in, did his, thing he ran around the cage and then he went in the center of the cage and he just fucking went like yeah and the place erupted and i was like god almighty how fucking was that was that one she came did the walkout song for that one was one of them she did the walkout song

for it yeah my wife she sang it live and it was bone chilling right oh shit you know what's a funny thing is when you see a clip of him saying that there's somebody's interviewing him and he goes about partying. Your partying is weakness for your soul or something like that and then there's a clip of them now

like that fucking going at least he's the blade music the soul to egg don't down down down down down

down down down down right that opening seed and blade but no he was man he was something else

his Chad Mendez's like how much shit he was talking to him but just still in it like even he got rocked, he goes down, he still comes up and still knocks him out. Eddie Alvarez

fight. New York class class. My God, I mean going up to challenge for a second world title and hitting the Matrix, full matrix in a fight with a killer. Like, Eddie's a fucking killer, man. What he did to Hafeel Dosanjos to win the title?

Wild performance, those fights that he had with Chandler that those guys took 10 years off each other's lives. Sorry, my ass. God, go go brother. we got those toilets they're the best there it is

there it is there she goes oh pipe yeah this was the fight yeah this was the Chad Mendes UFC 189 oh

and the it's loud touch but the angel spells or the left these swounds

rang out and the best part about this is how he walks out with his giant fucking leprechaun smile on his face yeah watch this

get to where he walks out Jamie that dude just knew how to how to handle pressure yeah he thrived in it He thrived in it. My giant threat of foggy-e-e-e-e-e-e-eat. All right, Jimmy. That was a fight that he couldn't even grapple.

He couldn't even grapple in training camp. He fucked his knee up. And that's one of the reasons why Chad was able to take him down so easily. He had a hard time training for that fight. And he fucked Chad up too. He got to give Chad. He got up off the sofa for this one, too. Oh, yeah, he did too.

Took it on seven days. or something. Bro, Chad's second fight with Aldo, he got fucked. I remember I reached out to him after the fight. I'm like, damn, dude, because the first round after the bell, Aldo cracks him and rocks him. Like, for the first time in the fight, he got rocked. And clearly after the bell, I'm like, damn, that's terrible. After you got knocked out by the guy in the first fight, you come back on the second fight,

the first round's wildly entertaining, and then you get hit with a shot after the bell. Yeah. I mean, it was still a great fight, though. There's still a great fight, but it makes me wonder. Like, if that shot doesn't land, that's a real shot, man. That was a different, that was, like, a real, like, you're almost out shot. Yeah. And if you get hit with one of those in a fight, that significantly changes the fight. Yeah.

That wasn't two. And that dropped him. But Aldo was coming on strong, clearly. Aldo was coming on strong. Yeah. Dude, prime Aldo, I don't know who's better. Bro. That guy's a fucking monster.

It's amazing how good he still is when he fights a hobby and I think he laid his gloves down. Yeah. I was like, damn, dude, he's still really fucking good and really fast. And down a weight class instead of up as he got older. Most guys don't go down weight classes. I know, but I mean, when you look at how muscular he is at 45 and then you think about like what Max did to him, that muscle comes with a price, you know? And when Max started put that pace on him, like Max was the first guy to really expose

him and put that pace on him. Jose was all fast twitch, you know what I mean? I remember when he double-kneed fucking Cubs swine? Oh, yeah. How about this? Marab didn't take him down. I know. How crazy is that?

Couldn't take him down. How crazy is that? He does have great takedown defense. 38 years into his career. Yeah. Right? Like, and Marab couldn't take that guy down? Couldn't take him down.

Bro, his balance is crazy. He took down, what's his name, Peter Jan, like 10 times. Yeah, yeah, right. Couldn't take Aldo down. Yeah, that's wild. And Aldo's jujitsu was good. Yeah, here's that double knee.

Like right away, boom. What the fuck, man. And Cub was a stud too. Oh, bro, he was a monster. Aldo was a monster. Look, he's trying to hit him even after the referees pulled him off. WEC was great. Double knee to the dome.

They had some talent. Oh, yeah, for sure, man. And this was when Aldo was in his book. He was different. The leg kicks? Remember he murdered. Uriah's leg kicks? Yeah.

Oh my God. Yeah, Uriah, like that leg was fucked up, man. Yeah, he told me two weeks he was on crutches. Two weeks he was on crutches, he said. Yeah, man. He was in his prime. He was something really special. But, you know, it's like how long can you keep that up?

He's kept it up more than anybody. Like, really, because he's still at a world class, like a world-class caliber. Bannamweight. I mean, he was, dude, for 10 years, nobody touched him. That's a long time the rain, especially in a weight division like that, where the talent just keeps coming. He just kind of gassed out in that last round because he was going for the finish. He emptied out, and Zahabi survived. I mean, you could make an argument for Aldo, and that was a close fight. I didn't think he got stopped out or nothing. But, I mean, how good was he to himself to know that he's retiring

probably because he feels like he can't do it at the level he knows he can? And he's still doing it at a high level you know what I'm saying right but in his head he's like I'm not doing it at the level I want to be able to do it so I'm just going to retire crazy crazy yeah that division man between 35 and 45 it's it's interesting that 25 gets so little love like Pantosia is only 10 pounds lighter I know I know he's love him he's a straight up killer yeah it's a straight up killer it's crazy though like nobody cared about Mighty Mouse and that guy was Maybe the top martial artist in the league. Oh, that take down to arm lock that top of it.

Oh, Redboard. I don't know if you'll ever see something like that again. But it's crazy that it's only 10 pounds. I know. Like, how do you guys know? I know. Yeah, like, you can't tell the difference? Like, how do you hear it?

Why can you tell the difference? People get real weird. They get real weird with sizes. Well, I mean, it was like our shit. Like, we were lightweights and it cut our division after that little tournament. Yeah. And who thought that the lightweights would be the best division in the UFC. It was going away, too.

They asked me to go back up to well. the weight i didn't just go why let me fucking i was making weight i was getting guys you know well the ufc just had a weird position i mean when before it really took off they they were just trying to figure out like we got to figure out a way to make money doing this thing

what do people not want to see and if someone has this idea oh the problem is the lighter weight divisions yeah yeah those are the most exciting they are they are looking it now like the some of the craziest fights we've seen you know 35 45 55

Pantosha's a great champ, man. He defended it, what, three or four times? What do he do? Well, he's so good, too. And he massacres everybody. Great chichitsu, he's got really good striking. Yeah, he's, takes torture well, too. Yeah, he's an animal.

He made Kyle Carl France look bad. And the first fight was good. I know. They had a good fight, like, nine years ago or eight years ago what it was. But the difference between how much better Pantosha got was right away was obvious. He's another guy. He was doing Uber. when he was here fighting in the UFC

and he's still fucking working he's a real humble guy yeah he's like a real just the sweetheart of a guy good for him you know this guy you want to see do well exactly but that's why I wish the guy got more love it's like I don't understand you know if he was 1.45 he'd be a superstar right you know

just the idea of being a flyweight just has people spooked out to root for him I know I don't get it yeah it's weird it's weird but it's always been that way even so hoodo you know when he's champ and you know when Mighty Mouse was a champ like kind of with everybody yeah figurato didn't get the love that he deserved Brandon Roy Val my mom's getting the love he's getting a lot of love yeah definitely but it's always like it's always like yeah but they're flywates

yeah I know yeah but fly weights are worst division no they're not like what I wonder what the biggest flyway pay-per-view of all time was like how many people you know what I mean it would have to be it's got to be pretty low it would have to be a Mighty Mouse one probably yeah wouldn't you think i saw him talking about maybe the more paper me buys these days yeah yeah i would think it may have been when uh pantosia did it in brazil because they probably had a lot of brazilians on the right

right pantosia ursac that was a good fight too but i bet it's like not high yeah it's got it's pretty low yeah shit man i enjoy it i enjoy it i enjoy all the fucking weekly it's all i watch man even though i can't even watch the boxing i wish i could i don't know it's just so it's not nearly as entertaining as the mixed martial arts and the fact that there's one on like every week i just i need it to be a good one like like a two good boxers i'll i'll tune in i'm a boxing fan too

but i mean if i have a choice i want to watch did you watch usick and dubois i did yeah ux like usick is like lemmchenco plus 100 pounds like you know he's got great footwork he's a great technical boxer and now he's starting to put people out too before he was just out boxing people so especially dubois when you see what he did to a j in that last fight what is he going to do he's beat everybody twice in the heavyweight division who do they have left for him well tyson fury was talking about coming back but then he looks like he changed his mind he decided yeah he looks like it's a young man sport yeah yeah he's not wrong he's not that old but he if anybody could have beaten him it could be Tyson fury in his prime because particularly you know in you know in moments in

the first fight, especially in the early rounds, before he got dropped in the ninth, he was doing really well. He was lighting him up. There's more damage than he'd ever seen Usook take in a fight, ever, and more clean shots that were landing. I mean, look, Tyson was a fantastic boxer, too. Don't let the dad bod full you. Oh, yeah.

He was late on his feet, you know, very technical. I mean, he obviously has a size and reach advantage over Ucic, and when he gets that jab pop and he's tough to beat. Yeah, it's not just a jab. He's got a slick upper cut. He's got a great head movement. His defense is slick. He's an all-time great boxer, all-time great.

Is Francis still boxing, or is he doing him in a moment? He's going to do both. Is he going to do it again? Yeah. They were talking about setting up a Francis Deontes-Wilder fight. That would be interesting. They need to make that happen. But boxing, you always get sucked in.

It's like, there's these stories. Are they doing that? Are they doing that? And they don't do it. Yeah. Are they doing it? Are they doing it? You're right.

You're right. I mean, that's one of the problems with the sport. Well, this is the Benavides-Canello situation. Because if you ask the average, if you want a hardcore boxing fans dream fight, it's not necessarily Canello and Crawford, which is a great fight. But you got this thing where Crawford's jumping up all this weight, and you're like, man, I don't know. But the great fight is Cannello Benavides. Everybody knows it.

Right. Everybody knows it. That's the fight. Can't make it happen, though. It's been going on forever. Pacquiao should have put Floyd a long time. That's what I was like to say. It happens all the time.

You can't never make the big fights happen. That has to happen That fight has to If boxing is to be complete The circle of powers To be folded over onto Whatever The rocks you get for your ring

Whatever Thanos gets That fucking infinity stones Oh sorry guys I'm now I'm back in the conversation He had the gornlet All right If that's the only way it happens You have to have that fight

That's the fight And if they fuck that up And if like he goes up But now Benavides is fighting light heavyweight more, you know? It's like... I don't think it happens. In fact, I don't think it happens. Or it's going to be too late.

Canelo's five won't lose to... Did he? No, shit. Yeah. He had it on his Instagram. He said his back's been fucking with him for 10 years and he finally got surgery. Yeah. Well, that might or might not help.

Bite back surgery? He's always like, oh, oh. It's 50-50. I had one and I'd knock on wood it gave me my life back. I had sciatica fucking horribly. Would you get, which surgery? Well, they did a laminectomy from, like, L2 all the way through S1. Oh, so all of them were bulge?

Like, well, I had stinosis is what was happening, so the bones were growing and pushing on the nerves. I mean, I would get up in a morning and be fucking holding my wall to get into the bathroom. And still rolling, you son of a bitch. Still rolling out. Now how dumb did you get some guys on. You feel better when you're doing that. It was like you said it was beginning. Always hurt.

The back shit's the worst. I didn't get an epidural shot. Yeah, I remember. When I blew my back out. When you fought GSP, right? When you fought GSP the second time, your back was fucked. It was back. In January, New Year's Eve, I couldn't, I could hardly walk.

And then I got a, the Dr. Yasha, one of my black belts. I went to the city, got the epidural shot. And that fucking started to bring me back. Yeah. Yeah. But I literally couldn't walk through it. When I would go to brush my teeth. I couldn't posture myself back up.

It was great, man. It is the worst thing ever. Think about that and then knowing that you have a cage fight coming up against a guy who's the best wrestler in the division. That's what I said. How do you fight that motherfucker with a bad back? Well, shit, you sort of rematch. The first one's way better. Ah, shit.

There's stuff that you can do for your back, but, man, it takes a long-ass time to heal back injuries naturally. What's going on with yours, you were saying? Mine's a lot better now, man. And one of the things that I made sure I did this year is I do twice a week. I do lower back exercises, like core exercises with twists and lifting, like do back extensions with weights. That changed everything. Yeah, I do hypers and a reverse hyper machine from my lower back. I do that too, yeah.

It used to bother me when I'd play pool. I'd be done. I'd be like real stiff. And that completely went away. Good. And really what it all fucked up was from archery. because you know you pull one way all the time and this side started getting this it's almost like a 10 denitis no no no I just ignored it and beat it into the ground and even though I was in pain I still kept shooting while I was in pain so I fucked it up for months now I draw I have a cable pulley system at my gym so I hold a 10 pound weight and I draw 80 pounds like I'm pulling a bow and I pretend I'm shooting a bow so I do that for as many reps as I shoot arrows I do that with my left side so nice more balanced now and then the lower back exercises but fuck it takes forever to not if you

don't if you want to really heal something and really get it better and not get surgery it takes forever let me ask you with the with the bow hunting why what do you got against the gun what makes you want to is it more primitive is it more primal it's definitely harder it's more that for sure it's more difficult for sure and it requires more concentration and it's it's It's much easier to fuck up, and that's why I like it. It's harder. But is it more satisfying to get closer to the animals, too? Can't compare.

I've shot a lot of animals with a rifle hunting, and it's great. It's very effective. It's real smart. It's a good way to hunt. If you're hunting for food, like, if I had to provide food for my family, I would 100% be hunting with a rifle. 100%. No questions asked, if that's what I'm doing. But what I'm doing is I'm trying to get meat with my hobby.

So my hobby is archery, and it's like, you. Calling it a hobby is like a little disrespectful. It's almost, it sounds very corny, but it's almost like a spiritual journey. Like you're going to the woods and you're sneaking up. I'm doing it with a guide where there's a good friend of mine and we go together. And we're sneaking up on these animals that are trying to avoid mountain lions and bears. And you're getting within archery range of them and just launching a perfect arrow. And that's how you're getting your food

So every time you eat your food It's the best food in the world But you're also thinking how you got it Like you worked hard for a whole year To prepare for it You train for it I do cardio for it I carry a weighted backpack

I put this fucking 45 pound plate On my back and I walk around for hours I do a bunch of shit with it These different exercises Just for hunting training Well how much is how close is archery range Like how close you had to get to him I'm comfortable

anything inside 70 yards if I don't think the animal's like moving a lot so if an animal's moving a lot like in the rut sometimes they're fighting other males so they're run at each other and they'll come back and like then you can't take a shot like that because they're not going to be there when you shoot the air they're moving so fast it's not ethical

with a rifle you could with a rifle you just need them to stop for a second just stop for a second boom and you got them did you ever shoot him but miss the kill shot You got to go over to it and cut in that throat. No, I never had to do that. I mean, it's a horrible thing to think of.

You hit them with a second arrow. Even if you hit them perfectly, and I've hit an elk perfectly before, if they don't, if they don't go down, they're standing there. As long as they're standing, you hit them with another arrow. And that usually takes them out. Yeah. You want to do it as quickly as possible. You got one, not enough. Now you've got to track them down and get them.

They're so tough. You'll track them and you're like, this is so much blood. There's no way this thing's not going to be dead five feet from here. And then you'll find them 800 yards away dead. It's crazy. They're so tough because you're dealing with an animal that's like every day is mountain lion season. Every day there's mountain lines just sneaking up on them everywhere. You know?

You know, if they make it to be seven, eight years old, which is when I start hunting them, like these motherfuckers are gangsters. They're gangsters. They're wives. Some of them have one eye. Because they got their eye poked out by another dude because they get those antlers and jab at each of his faces. My favorite meat is the venison. Oh, my God.

Have you had elk meat? Have you had any? I don't think so, no. God, I wish you lived here. I'd give you some. My father-in-law, he gave him. They say it's gaming. Frozen's there.

I have frozen elk out there right now. If I had a freezer box, I could give you it. Shit, man. I mean, because they say the venison, they say it's gamey or something. Dude, not the way. He makes it like a chicken cut. I don't know he's so fucking good it's all in taking proper care of it once you shoot it if you let the animal like lay out in the heat or if the meat gets dirty or if you accidentally cut the glands they have these tarsal glands on their legs that's a nasty smell that they're putting out so that the ladies hear it you know the ladies smell it rather and the other men know that they're there if that stuff gets on your meat you're fucked like there's a lot of it is like bad preparation bad care but if you take care of venison and doing it Dude, well, it's the best meat.

It's delicious. So delicious, man. I love that shit. I don't have it often, but when I do, it's my favorite, man. The UFCPI should be serving that shit. I bet they serve, like, Buffalo, though, which is also really good. How's horse meat? You ever try that?

I did try that. How is it? Pack-O-Tee loved that. I tried it in Montreal. In Montreal, there's a place called Joe Beef. Shout out to Joe Beef. One of my favorite restaurants in the world. It's incredible restaurant.

I went there. It's fucking great. It's making you feel palo that? Is it tasty? Oh, well, I didn't ask for it. Let me just say that. They served it to us. They, it was like, the guys who run it are awesome.

We know them. I met them through Bourdain, and so they just served us whatever they wanted to serve us. And one of the things they gave us was, it was like a loin of a horse. And I was like, really? Like, this is like tenderloin, like horse tenderloin? And it was really good. It tasted like game meat. I actually went to Joe Beef with Vitor, Belford, and Sean Brady.

Oh wow Yeah, it was a good restaurant That's cool That's cool Fogo de Chowl last night Just fucking Waring it out Yeah man

With the dark lord John Danaher How's he doing He's doing good He's good He wasn't in a rash guard He was wearing a jersey He actually had a jersey on

Yeah When he walked up I was like What the hell And he's walking Very nice He's sure He was fucked up for a while

So did he get both of his hips replaced now He's always got now Yeah He's teaching over Like he said he's like three months out of his second hip surgery. He looks good. You make you wonder, like a guy who's that smart and that driven towards

Jiu-Jitza, like what would happen if he didn't have a crippled body? Oh, I know. You know what a crippled body when he was rolling. Yeah, he used to fuck people up. I know, isn't that crazy? Like blown apart knee, you know, reconstructed the point where it doesn't even like fully extend, right? Has to get, what has he gotten replaced so far? I mean, I know both hips.

Did he get a knee too? He might have got his knee. Because he said after the hip damage his knee so bad that he thought he's going to have to get the knee done too. He's walking great though. I was so happy. Yeah, he looked good. It's always good to see him.

Yeah, that's my thing now. I get to see him when I come out. Your knee doesn't fuck with you, right? My left knee, no, but I fucking... The one thing that really is, if I could just... It just haunts me is because I fucked up where you're supposed to step down with your bad leg when you get the surgery.

I went up I went to put up my curtain I stepped down and if you see I'll just show you here is it missing here yeah

oh damn my bicep yeah you tore my car oh man and it's so fucking when I sometimes I'll it'll dip like I it you know

so it sucks well I went to go butterfly sweep I felt to get real tight so I got the stem cells shot right in that bitch that's the only one that hurt because they said they had no way

But they can't reattach it? I would have to done that early. I didn't even go. I didn't go early. I went back to PT the next day. And I was dealing. I didn't want to go through another fucking surgery. I just got a new knee.

So man, the knee itself, dude, titanium. Adonamium. Whatever the Wolverine's course. The knee's not bothering me at all. But I could buy outblock a kick with that. I feel great with it. And I'm rolling. I'm flexible.

But I just, I got, I fucked up that. It's a little weak. You know, it's a little compromised. Is there anything you can do? like with weight weights like to like single leg i'm doing squats i'm doing my regular squats i got to do i have to do more with the weights but uh i'm thinking of like single leg lunges you know like what do they call them bulgarians squats where i'll hold like a hundred pound kettlebell and do them one legers yeah yeah yeah it's noticeably weaker so i guys got to do something with that

but besides that the knee itself i just wish i didn't do that because i hear about um bisping running still yeah i can't if i run this fuck i could dip with this that is my The running thing is weird Because it's like How much time do you have on those knees Exactly Like you kind of have to be And you gotta get them fixed again

But I mean can they do that Can they chop the fucking thing off And put a new one in and unscrew it I'm not looking for fine out That is too much I'm holding off for my right one For as long as I can Is the right one still fucked?

My right one I just got shot some stem cells in there But yeah If I'm walking too much I'll feel that bitch Yeah I might they're both just severely Not my left now

It's new but It's just fucking arthritis man Fuck, it sounds like an old man. But the arthritis. Oh, my arthritis. But it's jujitsu. Yeah. I mean, I know also to get to 55.

I used to just fucking have to run in the morning for 45 minutes. Low intensity, but just still, I was on a treadmill, just fucking on enduro rush. Fucking just running. So I must have wore that shit down, man. I'm sure. Well, that's what Bisping says. It's always running. Yeah, you know.

He ran a lot on the streets, too, you know, which I'm sure is a lot of extra pounding. Yeah, that's no good. I can't do that. Yeah, he's still doing it, though. He's fucking long distance. He's out of his running. tears you up especially bigger guys i think he's doing better now luckily because for a long time his neck was fucking with him so bad he could barely get out of bed Jesus his body yeah i remember he

had surgery and like a week later he was right back on the on the call right back comment i was got to be careful with your neck too like that's where the spinal cord is like it only i didn't i thought your spinal cord went all the way through your back till i had my back surgery you know but it doesn't it comes down like maybe halfway and so that's why when you have your neck impingements cause a lot of those fucking problems. That's why that Ernesto Hoost neck kick is so effective. You know, when Hoos did so many people in the neck. Just whop!

He was always one of my favorite guys to watch. Mr. Perfect. Yeah. Yeah, one of the most beautiful kickboxers of all time. Like just the combinations he would throw, pop, pop, left hook to the body, white low kick, wow. And they ruined them with Bob Sapp. I know, that crazy?

Bob's lying on him. Be it twice. Two times. Yeah, that'll always baffle me how Bob Sap beat that guy. Well, you know what it is? Like, this is one of the reasons why Ernesto wasn't, like, the best candidate for kickboxing to enter into MMA. Because he was, like, smooth and super technical and very fast, but not explosive, right? Not like, like, just would you launch himself out.

But Crow cop was. Yeah. When Crow cop fought Bob Sapp, Crop fuck Bob sap up. Because Crow cop would just blast on you. Yeah. Like full power, full blast on you. It's like it was a different kind of thing that he would do. And that's why he was so effective in MMA.

Like when he went over to MMA, like all of a sudden he's his fast, powerful striker. It's not like a boxer who's going to move around a little bit and pick you apart for a few rounds. Stiles matter. Matters all. I wish he would have been in the UFC in his prime. Yeah, definitely. He got over a little late. He had pretty good takedown defense, too.

He was able to kept good range. He would frame guys off and everything. Yeah, he was, I mean, and we all know about his, where was it? Left kick cemetery, what was it? Right kick hospital, left kick cemetery. Bro. He fought Heath Herring, and there's a shot of him throwing this low kick or this body kick deep into Heath Herring's cage.

Like his whole rib cage is just collapsed. And you just see Crocop's shin, like basically touching his liver. It's insane. It's so deep that you did, it's one of the most painful pictures, you see. from an MMA fight. Heath Haring. Remember that dude kissed him before? Oh, yeah.

He came. He came with one shot, yeah, in pride. Listen, man, you get me. It's the one in the upper left-hand side. The second one, upper, that one right there. Yeah, that one. Look at that. Bro.

It could have. Bro. Gotta be some broken. And when you know how powerful crow cops kicks are, and then you think about eating that on the ribs like that, oh my God, that is crazy. It's crazy. Around his leg.

Yeah, I mean, that's another one that he landed on. That's Josh. That's Josh Barnett. Bro, the power that that dude had. And how about the one that he landed on Vanderley? When he flatlined Vanderlea? Dude, he had some wheels on him. His legs were big.

And power. It's just the difference was, like, when he was throwing kicks at you, it was 100% gas. He was not feeling you out. He was trying to, like, let you know, motherfucker, there's some darkness behind the shit. You will see dark. and then you have a flashlight in your face. They'll be like, you're okay? Stay put, stay put, you're going to be okay?

But then Gonzaga did that to him. Oh, remember? I was there for that. He rolled over his ankle. Yeah. Remember that man? His ankle just popped out back in. And that will forever be known as the crow cop.

Whenever you see that happen, you always think back when it happened to crocote. That was in London. We were there for that. Yeah. That's right after I got the belt. And I remember me, you and Eddie went out and got some pasta. That's right. Yeah.

That's so funny. That was crazy. Gonzaga. People forgot about Gonzaga? I know, you know. That was a big win, man. Holy shit. Huge.

He's a big fucking dude. Big natural dude. The heavyweight division right now is so shallow in the U.S. It's so shallow. It's like without, you know, because they just think they're all playing football and basketball, you know. 100%. Yeah. What about Johnny?

What's Johnny, I hate to say? Walter Walker. Walter Walker. What about him taking leg locks at everybody? Yeah, I know. Like three in a row. Yeah. He's good.

Yeah. Looks good. Yeah. I mean, we need more of that. We need someone. to, like, if Aspinall's going to have, he's got Cyril gone, right? So that's an interesting

fight. And then... Who? There's no one after that. Jack Lewis, just on name. Derek would be fun. By the way, Serragan didn't have a bad movie. Not to keep bringing up movies, but I love movies, but a fucking K-O with Cyril gone? What is it? It's a movie on Netflix. He has

his own movie. It's an action star. It's the star of the movie? He's the star of it, and you might be thinking, all right, how's his acting? Wasn't bad. Really? Fucking, he's the new action Jackson. I'm only fucking around. He's speaking in English.

I do remember that. Is it in English? It's dubbed in English. But it's a French film. So how do you know if he's any good? Well, I mean, I watched it. Yeah, but I'm saying, it's like it's not even his voice. Well, you could see him.

You say his acting is really good, but like some other dude's voice, that's kind of crazy. Well, I mean, it's. Zero God's just not good. You don't got to hear his. It's called K. It's called K. But it's not bad. You know, there he is

Hey, listen You know, it's not the best sign When a fighter starts starring in movies Yeah, you're right I'm not saying that it's not possible for him Is this new? Is this pretty new? Yeah, everybody watch it for him In his chances against Tom Aspinall

Yeah, like that's what I'm saying You better be training Yeah That if there's a world that can soften you It's the world of acting It's a weird thing, man I mean, acting and music kills fighters. There's also a thing, like, once you become a movie star, like, I don't know,

it just doesn't seem to go well. Like, remember Tommy Morrison when you fought Ray Mercer? Oh, yeah. Right after Rocky. Oh, that was a hard knockout, man. He beat him down. Mercer had him tangled in the world. And then Roads punching him.

Jesus. Blast in the way. Didn't Ray Mercer knock out Tim Sylvia also? Yeah. He did. Yeah. One punch. That was great.

One punch. Ray Mercer, man. And he did. out he was like 46 remember when he uh who the hell did he fight and uh it was like k1 or pride and they kicked him and he just left the ring uh it was bray mercer yeah yeah so my threw a head kick he looked at him like he's speaking a foreign language and he fucking just really are you sure that was mercer i'm pretty sure what's much can we find that i don't know i mean i i think one of the most interesting boxers that entered into uh m m m ms

or entered into kickboxing was when Masato fought Cool Vince Oh yeah Vince Phillips Vince Phillips did all right Yeah What were you talking about?

He couldn't do with them leg kicks though Yeah I couldn't deal with the leg kicks Yeah That's what's interesting When you watch a boxer who goes over there It's like oh shit Like what is this

They never got kicking on a leg before He's a You remember when Shannon Briggs fought Tom Erickson That's right same thing Yeah Shannon was on the podcast He was telling me about it

He's like, champ, every time he hit me, champ, I was like, oh, don't let him kick me again, I've got to quit. How did that go? He knocked him out. Shannon knocked him out, because Shannon hit him with a jab to the body. So this was-oh, here's Ray Mercer and Sylvia. So what happened was Tim was not supposed to kick. They only had this authorized as a fight, but since it was like an, you know, an MMA fight, they were supposed to be a boxing match.

Right. One shot. Timber. It was supposed to be a boxing match. They couldn't get authorized for you. to be a boxing match because Tim Sylvia did not have a boxing record

and so you can't fight a former world champion and you've had no boxing record but you could fight him in MMA it's a world champion versus a world champion

he knows that boxing is a sport that's in MMA you could do that and so they made an agreement okay don't kick me and I'll fight you in the cage and then Tim opens up

with an inside low kick that's why Ray Mercer you see like he drops his hands Yeah like a couple of years because the original fight they were contracted for was a boxing match Right.

And Tim's like, once I got you in here, I'm going to kick your fucking legs. Yeah. And then Ray. That's kind of a cheap shot, though. If you make an agreement about that, that's a cheap shot. Jamie, play it again. Because when you see when Ray gets that inside low kick, he drops his hands. He's got this look in his face.

What are you doing? What the fuck is this? See, watch. She steps out. Watch this. Throw the cake. Bro. Like, bro.

Yeah. Oh, I can't believe. Okay. I love it. Oh, good. Timber. Timber. Out cold.

Ray Mercer. Good for him. I mean, Ray Mercer could fucking punch, son. Into the shot, too. Yeah. About to get full mountain right there. It's kind of amazing how few boxers have actually entered it to MMA.

You know, this was like he got tricked into this one, but it's only like James Tony. You would think more would too, right? Yeah. Well, I guess not if you see those Ussig paychecks. Yeah, but how many guys get there? Like, think of, you know, relatively speaking. What do you think, like, Spence and Crawford made? That was, like, a big fight.

I mean, they probably still made a lot, a couple, you know, a gang of millions. Right. I mean, I'm guessing in the single-digit millions, though, not fucking hundreds of millions. I bet it's disclosed. See if you can find out what the purse was, Jamie. We need the next Art Jimison in here. 25-mill? 25-mill each.

Nice. At least 25-mill for their fight doesn't see each. But even still, like, it's such a small population of boxers to make that. as we said. Right. So you would think that more would go, you know what, I'd probably not going to make 25 mil. I'm not good enough to make that,

but I'm good enough to maybe go to MMA and make $100,000, $200,000. They got to sit there and learn how many other skill sets, though. That's true. But if you're a guy like Crawford, it started out as a wrestler. Well, that's not that much, you know. And there are some of them, I think, like the Citron brothers, right? One of them was a wrestler, too, I thought. Yeah, Kermit Cintron?

Yeah. I was digging through a boxing forum. They didn't believe the Ustik payout numbers. Oh, they didn't believe it? They think it's bullshit? Yeah, I don't understand how they can do that. Unless you're just lighting money on fire. You mean about the Ussick numbers?

Yeah, the payout. Oh, really? Yeah. No one believes it. Oh, yeah, but that's just because they're haters. I mean, there's no one proved it. No one proved it. It's $200 million.

It wasn't on pay-per-view. There's no, like, unless someone just gave him the money. Yeah, it's what you let that money on fire. This is the thing. Those Saudis are known to do that. I mean, look what they did. that live golf tournament. They just bought the tournament.

And if they did that with basketball or with anything else, they have enough money to do that with basically all sports. Suppose they did it with the John Jones fight. So John Jones asked the UFC for $30 million to fight Tom Aspinall, then pulled out two days after they agreed. He didn't think it would come up with the number, and they did. Saudi Arabia was involved. He was hoping they wouldn't meet the number.

Wow. Who said that? Ariel said that. Ariel said, yeah. Interesting. I wonder where he's getting his information. That's interesting. He said earlier in the thing that he priced himself out of the Ngano fight,

and he thought that that strategy would work again, but apparently they met the $30 million, and then John a couple days later did the retirement thing and said he wasn't going to fight. Wow. Why the fuck wouldn't he want to do that then? Yeah, I'm with you. Listen, it's a dangerous fight.

I know, I mean, for sure. Especially at this point in John's career. 30 fucking million, though? Yeah, I'll take the L for 30 million. Yeah, but he doesn't want the L. Yeah. The real thing is John's rich right now, right? He's already a millionaire.

So what is he going to, what's that extra? It's going to be nice to have an extra 30, but the reality is he's rich right now. He probably doesn't have to work for the rest of his life if he doesn't do anything crazy. And he still makes money doing his appearances and whatever else he's into it. And he doesn't have to take that ass kicking. Not saying that he would, but if you wanted to look at it from that perspective, like if it's a tough fight, he's been through wars. The gustavs and fights, all's going to, they all take something out of you. Yeah.

And you've got to know when you don't want to do that anymore. And if that's where he's at right now, I hope he stays retired. But then he jumped right back in and said he wants to fight at the White House. Right. So it's like, it's so hard for those guys to let it go. When they do let it go, it's difficult to figure out who you are. Man, we've got to see where that train is going to go off the tracks when he's not found. Oh, don't, down, the train kept up rolling all night.

It's like an aerosmith song, son. I mean, guys are an all-time great, though. I mean, if not the all-time great. You know who's doing really good lately? And I forgot who he's going to be fighting. But Dominic Reyes is... Oh, yeah, he's fucking crazy. He's like Carlos Olberg.

That should be a good one. In Australia. That should be a real good one. That should be interesting. Olberg's fast. I know. That's fast. He might be faster than Dominic Reyes.

I'll tell you what, man. I rewatch Dominic Reyes, John Jones, and I could see Dominic is winning that decision that was a tough it's a close fight i mean i'm not saying i i sat down and scored it but i'm like okay i could see the argument i want to know john's story how much coke did he do the week of the fight you know what i mean like what about when he told dc that like yeah right yeah when i was on cocaine like that's got a bit of coldest thing to ever say right you know they say there's nine years that a fighter can fight at his very best it's most for most athletes and i think they did this someone was explaining it's to me they think

they did this based on tennis because tennis is all about like fast twitch and movement and the ability to explode back and forth and they're not taking any damage and you could kind of keep your level going at the highest level for about nine years and then everything just slows down a little bit it's just too many micro injuries i mean the training for these things that's the biggest thing is the camps especially as you get older fuck yeah you know a Getting there in one piece is just, it's just fucking Ross. If you want to just check all the boxes, getting ready for these fucking things.

Yeah, you know. And when guys get to be like 37, 38, 39. It's so hard to predict them to show up to fight. I know. I got to make predictions. I'm like, well, they're 38 now. I'll tell you what, dude, I'm not counting out cannoneer anymore. After he beat Gregory Rodriguez, I know.

God, damn. Put it on him, too. Put it on him. And Gregory tried to take him. out in that first round man he he went all gas Gregory's a beast too Robocop he just came back

and knocked out the joker fucking Hermanson and that was brutal that was a bad one yeah I think Gregory Rieges would be the biggest threat to Reiner de Ritter oh that's interesting

because it's just like when you think about styles right good call just the biggest I think he would knock Ryan Ritter's head off probably his striking's terrifying Derritter's got that knee to the body

that is so interesting the way he fucking forces you to clinch and then blast that knee to the body. It's tricky. It's so good in the entrance with that knee to the body. And when he did that over and over and over again, it's like, wow.

Pay for it one time with that overhand. That's true. And that's where Rodriguez would be fucking throw that knee and fucking Robocop had to think that locked on his jaw. But perfect nickname for him too. Robocop. He looks like him. He does look like.

That's a fight, right? DeRitter and Robocop's a fight. You fight. That's a good one. That's a real good one. I'm impressed with his jiu-jitsu, that derriddler, man. Am I saying his name right? The riddler?

It's the Riddler. The fucking. Everything goes back to comics. He's so big. Yeah. He's so big for 85. But so was Robocop. Mm-hmm.

Yeah. The way he handled Boeh-Nichol. He made the Boehler like small. I thought that was a horrible matchup for Bow-Nichol for sure. But it was a lot of those knees to the body. Those knees to the body were nasty, man. He was so good at it. He was so good at throwing that knee to the body.

he's very calm too oh yeah well he's been through it man I mean we haven't seen him but over in one I've seen there is that knee the body's so nasty it's so nice it's so nice and he took one and he took a punch for it too it doesn't matter oh my that sucks and on the ground he's a monster yeah what he did to Kevin Holland I was like whoa okay chitzy was on point man so that's another 85er I mean think about that division you got fluffy who just like has this breakout performance last weekend you got you know the whole A, Fluffy's funny. Hey, what about that African dude?

Oh, my God. I'm scared of him. He might be the one. Like, of all the dudes. You know what I was like? It's like in Ghana, 185. Yo, he, but he's fast. Does anybody know the African dude's name?

Atier, something like that. Is it Gutier? Gutier. It's a, you know, it's like a weird. Atabee. Yeah, Tabi, Gutier. Yeah, yeah, that sounds more like it. Am I saying that right, Jamie?

Oh. Yeah. She's looking for verification. He's from Cameroon as well, right? Yeah. Yeah, he's scary. He's real scary. There's, there's dudes that just, the God just gave him an extra little, extra little, extra little.

He gave him more than an extra little, because that I was, Kate, you know, Kate's side, man, we watch these dudes and he's punching this guy, like, in the back. And the guy's, like, going, there he is. A taba go to, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And he's, like, 6'4, 185, doesn't have an ounce of body. fat on him. I mean, look at that photo of him. Just look at that photo. That's

crazy. You know, that's like one of those, the guy your girlfriend tells you not to worry about photos. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. There's a few of those guys that just have, they don't even look real. Rodolfo Vieira, he's another one. You see him, you're like, how's that a real dude?

So here he is, man. This is in his last fight. I mean, vicious power. He's power. Like, that guy is just getting hit like go yokes somebody stop him you were talking about the heavyweights man I was upset by bouchama man oh buchetcha buchessa step in buchema oh step by barata yeah he looked he looked bad bouchatchatcha he looked bad he didn't look good horrible cardio how about they

fucking got rid of the other dude that's weird that guy let him go like you fucked up i think i know i think they're going to resign him i think it's just a matter of like just like not having so many guys on a roster to have that burden to keep fighting them? Why, that doesn't make any sense. If the guy's on like a win streak, guys in a win streak, he beats Buccia. Yeah, but I think they're going to re-sign them, though.

It's just probably, yeah. So it's just like they didn't sign in time? Well, you know, it's like when they have so many guys on a roster, they have to promise them certain amount of fights. So it's like. Oh, so they don't have to promise them fights. Yeah, so they don't have to promise them fights. Is this for sure?

I'm just a theory. I'm just speculating. That's why they didn't. Yeah, because they have to pay them anyway if they don't get I'm certain about a fight or not. I know, but I mean, you imagine you just fought your ass off, you beat Buccecha, and then they cut you're like, what?

I think what they'll do is it like when they need them again, they'll just get them back. I was disappointed as opposed to just having to get him. Cardio-wise. I think he banked on that single leg, which was getting taken away. You seen him fight that rug-rug guy or whatever in one? That was a crazy fight, a crazy war. He took a lot of torture.

Like, I was impressed because most jiu-jitsu guys, when they get hit like that, They're not out there for the fight. And then in this fight, didn't look anything like the guy that fought at one, and I thought he was going to be better, you know, because he's training. Let me ask you this.

What kind of drug testing you think they're doing over there? No. No. In one fucking knows. What kind of drug testing? Drug test? You got a point. This is a problem with a lot of guys we got from Pride.

Yeah. You know, a guy, they come over with different physiques. They look different. Oh, yeah. 100%. Muday signs with Octagon MMA faces off with the heavyweight champ All right

Well, he's staying busy You know, the guy's good And we need good guys in the heavyweight division There's just not a lot of people I mean, the thing about it is it's like You gotta be exciting in that division I know, too, you gotta be exciting physically He looks horrible

Yep I think if he was looked more marketable I bet you'd still have a contract I know but isn't there like something To a guy who looks like shit fucks everybody up There is something to that Especially when the goal is to fuck somebody up.

Look, when Fadour was in his prime, that was part of his charm. Part of his charms, get a fucking, yeah. Go roll around his waist and just dead behind the eyes. Old man back and shit. How many guys didn't root for fucking Roy Nelson? I'm not saying he looked like shit, right? He's like an everyday guy. He's knocking guys out.

Yeah. He was fucking, you know, people like the everyday guy. That power that Roy had was crazy. He came over from jujitsu. Everybody knew he was a black belt in juditsu. Like, it always comes. competed in Abu Dhabi and the circuit. And all of a sudden he's throwing a hammer.

Foon, he got this mullet shit. Hammers. Camaro Savage. Takes a shot better than any living human being that's ever lived. I mean, who took a shot better than Roy? He took some bombs, dude. That guy took some bombs and absorbed them. Nah, he was badass.

And people loved watching him fight with that big belly. They loved him. That's me. Well, he played it up, too. That's me. Yeah, he'd rub his belly if he killed. Yeah, so I don't buy that. like shit. It's just the performance was it wasn't exciting. If you

watch that fight, that fight wasn't a good fight. You know, Buccecha didn't wrestle at a high level. It looked like garbage. If you're going to be a jujitsu guy and everybody knows you as a multiple world champion in jujitsu and you're fighting in MMA, son, you better have some. Take downs. Because ain't

nobody going to want to be fucking grappling with you. Why would they do that? You're right. He was just banking on that single leg And once he started taking that He was taking away that single leg very well And then I'm like, oh shit is a long night I was all excited like oh

Peshava too I was like go shit Let's see how it's good Let's shit How many times have you watched a high level Jiu-jitsu match between two black belts And it starts in a standing position And no one goes down at all For like 10 minutes

There's no good shots They're just tying up There's no good shots There's no one threatens to take someone down Everyone's afraid to commit oh when you start on your ass in class Then you never practice your takedown a hundred percent Yeah, you're right you're right start on your knees but it's also that no one wants to take a chance and open themselves up to getting caught Right so you don't want to dive in for a double and then get caught in a guillotine

Shit man and Abu Dhabi I pulled God every fucking time right out if you if you trust in your guard or Being able to get back now they call wrestling up as I was doing that back in the day before was called that But, like, you know, if you're good at not letting somebody pass, especially the Amu Dhabi rule set, after five minutes, you know, all right, now I'm on back. If I'm good at getting out and getting up and putting the guy down, you know what I mean? I don't know.

It's all strategy with that. But I hate when it's a stalemate with just two guys just fucking pummeling them. But I get it from the wrestler's perspective, too, is like, hey, fuck sitting on your ass. Like, take me down, bitch. You want me on the ground? You got to take me to the ground. I get that, too, because that's correct.

And that's one of the things that you see that's, like, very, humbling for a real good jujitsu guy when he's there's no way he can take a guy down and then the guy starts beating him up standing up and you just have you're just rushing forward trying to grab them you can't get the fight to your expertise level your your area of expertise it looks so bad it's terrible it looks really bad nothing to fear from you standing so it's yeah yeah yeah exactly what about don fry and omri bettitch that was a bad that was a bad that was a And he was tiny, by the way. More than Petitsch was a stud, but he might have done well if they gave him anybody else.

But one, he was, if you watch that again, he's way smaller. And that's a small Don Fry back then. Don Frye was 200. That was before he really got on the gas. The other guy could be fighting 55. Pride Don Fry's a lot different than that Don Frye. Pride Don Fry's a superhero. Yeah, he got gigantic.

Even his mustache got bigger. I didn't know that that guy, the big Japanese guy, that they were punching each other in the face. Yeah. I didn't know that guy became a quadriplegic or something happened. That's horrible. That's horrible. Look how small he is. Yeah.

Come on, dude. Yeah. Don was not big. You know, look at Don. I mean, he wasn't a big muscular. I mean, obviously, super athletic. Different weight classes right here. Yeah.

Big difference. But not the Dom from Pride. The giant roided up, Don Fry from Pride was a different. Right. This poor Amari was just trying to get him down the whole time. He just grabbed the fence. I love to grab the fence. No, no rolls.

Full on grabbing the fence. He's hanging on to the fence with shoes on. That's the other thing. He's got wrestling shoes, which is also kind of crazy. That sucks. Poor Amari. I mean, he didn't have any fun. Yeah, I used to train with Amari back old school top team back in the day.

It was a long fight. What do you think, Armory Butch weighed in this fight? I'm going to say, what do you think? What do you think? A buck 70 or something? That's crazy. He looks small. I mean, look at the size.

It's different weight class. Big difference. Look how young he is. I know. Big difference. No gloves. Yeah. Yeah, shit.

It was 30 years ago. So, it was so crazy. What, 30 years old? That was 96. Sometimes I forget I'm fucking in my 50s. 51. This is a catch weight. I'll be 57.

It was catch weight? Yep. Did it say Omri Petach's weight? I'm looking up a different spot. He looks like a welterweight. Yeah. There was a lot of those fights back then. Oh, my God.

Tons of them. Catch weights? No, just crazy fighting someone way smaller than them. It's like Kerr and Giselle, a fabulous. Garzel. Yeah, that's one of my favorite fights of all time. I was a big Fabio fan.

I was tough, great jujitsu. I give credit to Marillo Bustamante fighting Tom Erickson for 45 minutes. Oh, yeah. Marillo was a jujitsu guy that had some stand-up and had some wrestling. He took Lin-Lin down.

He stood on the feet with Chuck Liddell. I thought Marilla won that fight. He tapped Lund twice. Yeah. Marillo Bustamante is one of my favorites to watch. The thing about the jihitsu guys back then, some of those guys, Fabio Goselle is another one.

Fabio is Marillo is, their jiu-jitsu games, it will, it could transfer over from ghee, no-gee, M-M-A, and it all resembles the same skill set. Like, you know what I mean? But it could cross over. Mario Sperry. Mario Sperry, the Zed machine. Yeah. He was great, too.

Yeah, man. A lot of those guys from that Carlson Gracie team, they had a real solid MMA, a jujitsu game. Couldn't doubt Carlson's teaching. Like a lot of savages came out of that camp, a lot of them. Yeah, including Vitor. Yep. Well, that's where I got my black belt from, from La Boreo from that camp. Yeah, well, yeah, La Boreo, I mean, La Boreo was,

La Boreo was awesome. He was a good dude. Where has he been? He's in Orlando. He's got a school in Orlando. Oh, he's still got a school. He's not, he's not in like a whole network. He's not involved with MMA anymore?

No, no MMA stuff. Because I used to see him in the corner of the top team. Never. Nice guy. Out. What a sweetheart guy that guy is. Yeah, he wasn't. When did he leave top team?

he left before I did really yeah so I mean he in fact like when he left that's when they really hired me to like kind of take his place oh that makes sense yeah that makes sense well this is like 2019

it's coming up oh Joe Piper oh yeah Joe Piper yeah he's fighting a booze magamatoff yeah oh yeah I like I like Joe man he's fucking he's got some of a piston in that Joe Piper thought that I was too hard on him in the commentary of the last fight. But it's a sensitive guy.

It's just because of his potential. That's all it is. I just knew that he was looking for the big shot instead of like just letting it come. Yeah. He was so good in the first round that unfortunately, like he had so much success and almost took him out

that he started looking to take him out. Yeah. And if you load up with Kelvin, and I think it freaked him out a little bit that Kelvin was still there. You know, like he's like, yo, I didn't hit this, do whatever he did he still here. What the hell's going on?

Nobody's got a chin like that. Yeah, a little chubby, though, Kelvin. Yeah, he's of 70. He's a 70. Yeah. He's always had such problems making it. Yeah, but you know what, man, it's just like, if that guy was at the UFCPI and they gave him all his meals and he had someone babysit him and make sure you don't, just don't fuck

off. Don't eat anything other than this. And it's like too many guys just want to feel comfortable. Yeah. It's like, okay, but you're not going to feel comfortable losing, right? So you're fighting a giant. Yeah. And this guy's coming down from an extreme weight.

Keep. 185. First 2.10. Oh, Omri Betatch was 185? Yeah. Okay. Damn.

He's also a late replacement. I got to go back again. I'm sorry. Well, let's wrap it up. Oh, man, guys, my asses are you stopping this? No, we've been doing it for three hours. Oh, have we been? We've been doing it three hours.

Okay. So it's fun. I feel you guys are going to fucking curse me after this. I'm sorry. No, no, no, no. We understand. Me and my ass. You've got a legitimate issue.

I have a lot of issues. There's nothing wrong. Ground Patrol, Baltimore, Maryland. Can I have a fucking. A fucking shirt. Ground control, Baltimore.com. It's crazy that I didn't bring that out of the shirt. I had it.

I got you, Matt. Don't worry. Thank you. Medium now. And Dean Thomas Fight Court, the new podcast. Oh, you got a new one? I'm always got it on. Dean Thomas Fight Court.

Yep. At Bmore MMA on Instagram too. I'll see you this weekend, Chicago, right? Yeah, I'll be there. Matt's there a channel. Oh, I'm sorry, were you done? No, no, I'm done. Matt's our channel on YouTube.

I'm having fun with that. I got a little podcast that can, like 30, something thousand. I want to get to 100,000. Come join the fun. Yep. Come join the fun. A kick out there. We got a ground control in Sykesville opening up soon. So number six is on its way. Nice. Nice. And the website has all the addresses and everything listed. Yes, sir. All right. Guys. So much fun. Dude. Thank you. Always great. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you. I don't know.