The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #174 with Terence Crawford

Episode Date: February 25, 2026

Joe sits down with retired boxer Terence Crawford, a three-division undisputed champion who retired 42–0.www.youtube.com/@TBudCrawfordOfficialwww.tbudcrawford.com Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. Order ALDI on Uber Eats Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Joe Rogan podcast checking out. The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. All right. Champ is here. Last time I saw you, I think it was before the Madgeraw fight, wasn't it? Wasn't it before that fight? I believe so.

It was before that fight. And that was just around the time you were talking about fighting Canello. And everybody was like, that's crazy. He's going to go up all the way to 168, two more weight classes above that. That's nuts. Everybody's got to shut the fuck up now. Yeah, yeah. You know what I say?

Skills pay the bills. They do. They do. Skills are everything, man. But the thing is, it's like, it's interesting. I watched both the Canala fight and the Mademab fight again recently. And Mademov looked bigger. He looked bigger than Canello.

He was really interesting. He was a big dude. He's a big dude. I wonder what that guy walks around at because it's not 154. No, not at all. He's a big guy. He's a big guy. His last fight.

Did he? Yeah. Really an outstanding performance against Canello. It was, like I was telling you before, it was a great I Told You So fight for me. Because there were so many of my friends that were big boxing fans that just thought Canello was too big. They thought it was too much of a jump. He's too experienced. Well, you got it?

I mean, you made it look, I want to say easy. It wasn't that it was easy, but it was definitive. You know, it was such a clear victory. It was at one point when you were pity patting them and then firing off hard shots, I was like, oh my goodness, he's feeling it. Yeah, I was in my element. I was in the zone, mainly because a lot of people

was doubting me as well, you know, telling me I was going to get knocked out. I was too small. And I was just fighting for the money when I knew what I was capable of. So I was just like, I'm going to show y'all what I'm really about because this is not the first time that I didn't heard that, oh, he can't do this, he can't do that.

I think your situation is very similar to when Roy Jones was in his prime. Because when Roy Jones was in his prime, everybody was saying, Roy Jones, other than James Tony, Roy Jones really hadn't fought anybody. And I was like, no, he's just that much better than everybody else. He makes it look like they're not good. If you saw them fight against everybody else, you would say these guys are awesome. For sure, for sure or not. I've been dealing with that my whole career, you know, people getting so much praise after fighting a guy that I already knocked out, you know, if they beat them.

Oh, such and such beat this guy. But me is, oh, you're fighting tomato cans or you fighting bones and things like this. So it was just like. It was just because you're doing it so well. That's what it is. It's just people, they try to find flaws in. every great performance. And the flaws, the only flaws they could find is,

yeah, but who are these guys that he beat? But you beat great guys. Champions. Yeah, I mean, listen. One of the more interesting fights to me was a Benavides fight. I rewatch that again recently, too. That was a real fight. Because there's so much tension.

There's so much shit talking and tension and so many emotions. And he can fight. He could fight. You know, a lot of people, they're looking at his end. injury and he fought no different from before or after the injury. He fought the same, you know.

So that's another thing that they're going to say, oh, well, he had got shot in a leg. And if he didn't, then this would have happened or that would have happened. I'm like, he fought the same. Like, if you know boxing and you see him box, nothing changed from his boxing standpoint. He wasn't a mover. He wasn't this guy that used his legs as a defense or offense. So I just take it as a grand assault and laugh at him. Yeah, I'm sure that injury sucked, but he fought the same.

And he fought well. I mean, he's a tough guy. He fought really well. Took me 12 rounds. Yeah, listen. And that right uppercut in that 12th round to put him down, I was like, oh, my goodness. I remember watching that fight live.

I was like, oh, there it is. There it is. you found him. Yeah, he he had good head movement, you know. Tough guy. He was ducking them hooks and them straight punches, so I was just like, I got to switch it up. Well, also, he

believed in himself. For sure, definitely. He came into that fight to win. Oh, definitely, most definitely. Most definitely. It's beautiful to watch, you get what you deserve, because I felt like, man, if you retired after the Spence fight, I don't think

people that are casuals would really appreciate your skill set. You know, the people inside boxing, the people that really know boxing did, but I felt like too many of the casuals just talk so much shit. And so the Canello fight was the cherry on top of the Sunday. Yeah, it was. And even now, a lot of people saying, oh, well, Canello's washed, he's old. And I'm like, well, I'm older than him. Like, whatever we're talking about, you know?

So I just love it. because it just shows what level I'm on, you know, for everybody to already know what happened, and then they try to take what happened and make it a reason why it happened. Right. So I just be like, man, it's cool. That's boxing, though, right?

That's sports in general. You're always going to have that. There's always going to be a bunch of sideline people that talk a lot of shit. But, you know, for a lot of fighters, it's later in their career, especially when they're avoided or they have difficulty

signing big fights, it's later in their career that people really appreciate them. Like, think about Bernard. It wasn't until Bernard Hopkins beat Felix Trinidad that people were like, oh, shit. I think he was like 37 or 36 when he fought Trinidad,

and a lot of people were saying he's washed up. It's over, and when he knocked out Trinidad, everybody was like, oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah, I've been calling out everybody's. since the beginning, you know.

They created a whole side of the street because of me, you know. I'm with a different promoter. It was always something, you know, and everybody always blamed me. But now I look at everybody now. All the promoters are working together now. Why couldn't they work together when it was my turn to shine? But it is what it is, and life happened, and I'm happy the way it happened because I did it my way.

and I don't think too many other fighters can say that. That's true, yeah. It's a dirty business, you know, the business of promoters and keeping guys away from guys and making sure that their fighter, you know, avoid certain fighters. It's always been that way, you know, and it's unfortunate for the fans because there's so many, like the big one for a long time was David Benavides and Canello.

Like, everybody wants to see that fight, and they just can't figure out a way to make it happen. And you've got to think someone's avoiding somebody, and it's not Benavides. No, not at all. You know, I just think Canelo, in a sense, he know how big Benavita is going to come in the ring. You know, Benavides is a great fighter, you know,

but he's a big fighter. He's a tall fighter, you know, and I just think Canello knows, like, why would I want to get in the room? ring with this guy that's going to be massive come fight time and I'm not that big of a guy at all. I've been doing all this with my skills because Canello's not a big guy. He's been fighting big guys his whole career. Yeah.

You know, and beating them with skills, you know, so you got to tip your hat off to Canello and what he's accomplished. Absolutely. been 5-7 going up to 175 and fighting these big guys and actually winning. Knocked out Kovola. Yeah. I mean, it was Kovale later in his career, but he's still Kovale. For sure.

And then having the courage to fight B'Vall and his prime. For sure. I think that's the fight that probably kept us from getting the Benavitas fight, the B-Bavall fight. Because I think after that fight is like, okay. Yeah, this is a little big. Because B'Avall, not just big, but. He's got that Russian style light on the feet in and out, in and out, in and out. Co-boxing.

It's a difficult style to handle. You know, like the only guy to be, Betterbeef was another beast. This episode is brought to you by Squarespace, the all-in-one website platform that helps you stand out online. And I can say that because my website is powered by Squarespace. Joe Rogan.com is a Squarespace website. Squarespace makes it easy to secure the best name for your business. and they provide privacy and security tools to ensure your domain remains protected. Head to Squarespace.com slash Rogan for a free trial.

And when you are ready to launch, use the offer code Rogan to save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain. Yeah, so I think, you know, him knowing that. And then I think the disrespect that he got from Benavides had persuade him to go elsewhere. But, you know, there's been many boxers from the past that didn't fight people that they wanted to fight. Right. You know, look at Sugar Ray Leonard and Aaron Pryor, they never got that fight. And that's just one a mini. So it's going to be like that.

Well, it always seems at the end that it all worked out the way it was supposed to. You know, and that's how it felt like for me. after your Canello victory. Like, this is like, you know, all the bullshit, it's like now everybody has to shut the fuck up. It's like all the bullshit's gone. It's like now everybody's got to give you your just do because that was a stellar championship performance.

I mean, that was one of the all-time great performances because it was a Canello that's, you know, you could say whatever you want. I think he's still in his prime. And you just outboxed him. And you outboxed him. I mean, think about it. 40 to 47, 54, all the way up to 68, and you're outbox.

35 first. That's right. 35 first, right. That's right. That's crazy. Yeah. That's crazy. Going up from 35 to 68 and outboxing the champ.

And the way you did it, too. It was so skillful. It was so beautiful to watch, man. When you're a fan of skillful, intelligent boxing, that was such a good fight to watch. Because, you know, Canal's a dangerous guy. He's a heavy puncher, and he puts a lot of power into his punches. He's kind of changed over the years and really relied more on his power. But, man, he knows how to land it.

And when he lands it, he puts people in a lot of trouble. And he just, there was this one move that you were doing where you were throwing a left hand and then a quick hook behind it before you even brought the hand back. So he was going to counter and you were throwing a quick hook. I was like, oh, that is so pretty. That is so pretty. You know, Conello is a great counterpuncher, you know, so you got to beat them to it. You got to counter at times.

Did that fight play out the way you thought it was going to play out? Yeah, most definitely. Exactly the way thought. Most definitely. We knew what we was up against, you know. When I went to his fight against Berlanga and against the guy that's on his team, I forgot his name. Mangia, Mungia.

When I was with Turkey, I said turkey. He can't beat me. Just watching him from 135 to now, like, live. I'm looking at him. I'm just like, I can beat this, dude. Like, my confidence is getting more and more and more. And his last fight in Saudi Arabia, I was like, yeah, he can't fight like that against me. Which he didn't.

which he definitely rose his game, but I just believed in myself that much that nothing was going to stop me from getting that victory that night. The fight in Saudi Arabia, he looked like under-motivated. Yeah. It wasn't a big enough challenge for him.

He didn't look like he was in the same kind of shape physically, like when you look at him. He wasn't, you know. And it happens, you know. That's why I always train, like, this is the toughest fight of my career. because it is, every fight is. And you never know what to expect with those type of fighters

that nobody know about quote. Right, right, right. Them be the ones that sneak up on you and, you know, you got to be ready for him. But he didn't come to fight. He moved the whole fight and, you know, Conello was frustrated and he was just like, ah, man, this dude didn't come to do anything.

Right. He came to survive. Yeah, so I can see where he was frustrated at. Yeah. Well, he probably thought he didn't belong in there with Canello either, right? And so he probably said, listen, if I just keep moving, I can get out of here with my dignity intact and just never get hit real good. Yeah. Yeah.

It's fascinating now because before that fight, you were looked at as one of the best boxers today. Now you're looked at as one of the best fighters ever. And it's interesting how that changes. how people now look at your body. And then they look at Errol Spence before you fought him and go, Errol Spence can fight, man. He's a really good fighter. And a lot of people discredited your victory over him

because of that car accident that he had. And maybe he wasn't as good as we thought. But now with the Canelo victory, you're in this rare air of, you know, mentioned as one of the greatest of all time. You know, there's a handful of guys. There is no, it's very difficult to say the greatest of all time. Because people want to go all the way back to Sugar Ray Robinson.

They, you know, they throw Floyd in the mix, prime time, Roy Jones. There's all these different fighters they put as the greatest of all time. But you are now in that conversation. That's got to be nice. It's beautiful, you know, especially all the hard work that I didn't put in to be here at that pinnacle of the sport. You know, since I was seven years old, I've been. boxing. I've been fighting. I've been a fighter since day one. So when people compare me to like Sugar Ray Robinson and Floyd Mayweather and Sugar Ray Leonard comparing me to who will win, who will

win, that just let me know that I did my job well in the sport. Oh, you absolutely did. Now, you definitely done done? It's over. It's definitely over? Yeah. I don't got to. So I told a couple of my close friends. I said, okay, since 2014, I've been fighting for something, a title. I won my first title in 2014, March of 2014. Every since then, I've been fighting for titles, undisputed, titles, undisputed, undisputed, titles, undisputed, like just everything that I've been fighting for. Now, and I just come back, and it's just like, all right, what's the motivation? Just money, you know, like, all right, so what is on top of that? You know, because my thing was the money going to come. No, I was taking pay cuts after pay cuts after pay cuts because I knew what I

wanted my legacy to be when I finished boxing. I want to be remembered as one of the greatest champions of all the time, you know, and I think I did that, you know, so now it's like, This last fight that I had, the height of it, there's no better finish than that to me. Yeah. What was on the line coming from where I came from, all the odds that was stacked against me, all the things that I had to go through and camp to get to that fight, you know, was just like, man, you did everything right. So what can top that?

I love that. I love when fighters go out on top like that. And for a fighter to go out like you have with all your championship experience, all the weight classes you competed in, undefeated, and beat Canello another all-time great. I mean, that is a perfect finale for a spectacular career. It's pretty dope. For sure. And go out with your faculty's intact, your health intact, plenty of money.

It's nice. It's beautiful because nobody knows what us fighters. a door to get to the point to entertain the fans. You know, we go through a lot. You know, we put our body through a lot. And then when it's all said and done, when our body broke down to the point where we can't take care of ourselves, they don't care about us.

They're going to say, oh, well, he was once a good champion, and we go to the fights. You see a lot of old fighters showing up to the fights, and people just walk past them. You know, they're on to the next. Oh, let's see the young fighter, you know. And it's like they use you up until you have nothing left. Then they forget about you.

Yeah. You know, so it's very critical for these fighters to think about their health first because once it's over with, it's over with. And you can't get your health back. You can always get money elsewhere. But once you can't, your mind is messed up. Yeah. It's over with.

That's such a good lesson for young fighters to see, too, to see a guy like yourself be fully dedicated, so disciplined, get through the whole thing, get out, on top, and done. Yeah. And so many fighters have said that, and then a couple years go by, their identities wrapped up in fighting. They go, man, I think you got one more in me, and then, you know, maybe they're buying a lot of shit.

That's the real problem. Yeah. The real. It's always going to be that, you know, I got another one in me. I got another one in me because they missed that high of all the fans chatting their name and everybody, you know, cameras, lights, and, you know, they miss it, you know. But I was always that type of person. I didn't care about all that.

Really? Y'all can have the lights. Just pay me and I go under the ride. somewhere, you know, take care of my family. You know, I never was a guy that wanted to be all up in the media and wanted to be the center attention. How come? Because that's just me. I already knew what I was doing it for. I never was doing it to be famous. You know, I don't walk around with a whole entourage to get noticed, you know, I'll be under the radar. I do like that. You show up by yourself. But one time you showed up at one of the UFC's and someone said you were Kendrick Lamar and they put it on the

fucking screen. And I didn't catch it because I was doing the broadcast, but I was like, are you guys out of your fucking? You don't know who Terrence Crawford is and you're in combat sports? This is crazy. I think they did that on purpose. No. No way. No way. No way. They had to. No, no, no, no. It was just some moron in the truck. Yeah. No, 100%. They did not do that on purpose. No one in the UFC would ever disrespect you like that. No one would disrespect you like that. No chance. Yeah, I was sitting next to everybody and I was like, Did they really just do that? No, they did not do that on purpose.

That was just some dumbass that thought that you were Kendrick Lamar for some reason. Yeah. It was so stupid. And then I think they corrected it later in the broadcast. I don't know who it was. Right. I didn't even want to know. I'd yell at them.

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But that's, you roll very low key. Like you don't show up with an entourage, you know? A lot of times you just by yourself. Yeah. And that's unusual for a guy who's achieved as much as you've achieved. Yeah, people would be so, like, surprised that, you know, they'll see me in the airport. They'd be like, you're by yourself? Like, man, this is crazy.

I would always imagine you with security guards, big entourage. Right. That's just a bill. Yeah. You know, you got to pay all them people to be around you. That's true, too. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, every time you've showed up at the studio, you show up by yourself.

Yeah. I mean, it's another good example for young fighters to realize, like, at the end of the day, what are you really doing it for? All that other bullshit, all the attention and stuff, that's very temporary. It's very fleeting. It goes away. Legacy. Legacy and the glory of your accomplishments, that stays forever. And the respect of people in boxing that really know. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, that's what's all about. And you've got that. Now, everybody has to shut the fuck up. Yeah, they do. Everybody has to shut the fuck up. Even the people that said that, oh, Canello's stop. You were the same people saying Canello was going to stop them. You're the same people that saying Aerospace was going to stop me.

Same people that saying Mademoff was going to stop me and so forth. So it just got to the point where they just, they got to accept it now. It's like, man, I've been hating on this dude for so long, you know, and he's just been proving me wrong time at the time. it's like let me just give them as flowers. Yes. You know. That's beautiful.

And for young fighters, it's such a good thing to watch. It's so good for young fighters to have an inspirational figure, to have someone who really does it, like, does it perfectly, and does it in a way that is very unusual because, like, you're one of the best switch hitters since Marvin Hagler, if not the best. You know, and like that, God, that is such an underrated skill. It was so funny. One of the times you were in here, you were telling me that it's great. Your coach told you stop doing that.

Yeah. He was like, you need to focus on fighting orthodox, the right way. Instead of switching the South Pole, I was just like, I switch South Pole again. Then it was just like, all right, well, you're going to do that. We're going to train like that. I was like, all right, let's train like it. I'm going to keep switching because it just came so natural. Yeah.

I be in there, boom, boom, boom, boom. And then I just switch like unthinking. Ba-ba-ba-ba. Yes. Man, you know, it was just I win and I win. He was all right, we're going to fight like, we're going to train like that. Well, it's such an underrated aspect of boxing if you can do it because you have to recalibrate where everything is coming from every time you switch. Different angles, all that.

In MMA, it's become commonplace. In the beginning of MMA, it was a lot of people would stand one way or the other. And now a large percentage of these young guys coming up are constantly switching because it hides combinations. it hides different techniques. There's so many different things you could do in MMA because you're switching and kicking, you're switching and punching, you're kicking, and then now you're in Southpaw,

and you're throwing left hands instead of right hands. It's like things are, there's so much overload of the mind where you have to calculate all these different things. And if you don't spar on a regular basis with a very crafty guy who switches a lot, it could fuck you up inside the cage. Yeah, because some people, they have better chances on one side than the other.

you know and then when you switch on them it's like off I hate fighting South Falls right you know and just do something to their brain you know because they might be slower moving one way than the other way well everything looks so weird when all of a sudden the jabs on the right side and the yeah and then your brain has to like you gotta worry about the hook now instead of the straight everything's different yeah it's just I mean I wonder how many young fighters are going to see your example and start training that very early in their career now because I think it's the conventional wisdom was that you have one stance whether it's South Paul or Orthodox stick with that there's a few outliers like Hagler but for the most part stick with that but I don't

think that's the way to go I think I mean I think great fighters have stayed in one stance but I think the way to go is having the ability to switch up there's always you know beneficial if you can have it and not need it, then it need it and ain't got it. Yes. You know, like, okay, it's cool that I don't need it for this fight, but I got it in my bag just in case I have it.

Yes. You know, and that's like me. I got it all. Yeah. Do you think you're going to train people when you're done? I'll be training it a little bit. I'll be helping out at the gym, but my patience ain't there yet.

Yeah. I get frustrated and I have to remember. Like my coach, Bomeg, say, everybody's not you, bud. Yeah. Everybody don't adapt like you. Everybody not as athletic like you, you know, so you can't be frustrated if they're not getting something. Right. Like, as fast as you getting it, you've been doing this since you was seven.

Some of these kids that started when they was teenagers, you know, so you got to give them grace, you know, and take your time with them. And some of them, you know, they flat foot it. and you just got to train them into their style. Everybody's not going to have your style. So when he explained that to me, I was just like, hey, you're right. You know, let me back up a little bit and just tell them what I see. Yeah. You know, more so than trying to coach them into being this fighter that I want them to be.

Being a version of you. Yeah. Yeah. That's got to be difficult, right? Because everybody does have a different style. Yeah. And, you know, you're never going to convince somebody. fighters to fight your way.

Yeah. But the wisdom that you can bestow on young fighters, it's like there's a lot of great fighters like, you know, Freddie Roach that had some boxing matches but was never like an elite boxer. But still, it was a great coach. And, but to have an elite fighter to be a coach, it's like there's an element of that. First of all, you, is it there's an element from the young guy coming up, like, you want to impress.

You got Terrence Crawford. in your corner you want to impress him buddy mcgirk did a fantastic job and he became a great trainer there's a bunch of fighters that have done it but it's like i always wonder because i feel like there's so much you have to offer to these young guys there's so much small minutia intimate details of what you're thinking and what's going on that would completely change the way a young fighter sees certain exchanges yeah for sure and i try to help them on that aspect when they're in the ring or when they're on the bag or when they hit in the midst, shadow boxing, just little details.

You know, I come in the gym and you see the little kids, they see me, and they look to the corner and they hit the back. Yeah, they can fire it up. You can see they're trying to give my attention. I come over there and give them some little wisdom, you know, and they appreciate it to. But it's good that they see me in the gym all the time. You know, my son wrestling next door,

and they over here boxing and I'm both one side and the other side. Your son just won a wrestling title. Yeah, he just won a state as a freshman. That's incredible. Yeah. That's incredible.

That's so amazing. What does he want to do? He want to go D1. He told me that Saturday, after the tournament, we on our way to the Ryan Garcia fight. He said that, I want to go to Olympics.

Wow. I say you want to. said, what kind of mind state is that? I said, you're going to go. I said, you got to have it in your mind. You're going. You can't say you want to go. You got to say, I'm going to the Olympics.

That way you know, you're already programming it, you know, for the future. How did you learn that mentality? Man, being doubted my whole life. You know, being doubted in my whole life, and my coach, Midge Minor, used to always say, laity-dottie, we fight anybody. They ain't fought you yet, you know, and I just carried that on my shoulders. Like, anybody you put in front of me, they ain't fought me yet,

so you can't tell me they can beat me until they beat me. So just like my son, like, hey, you got to have that confidence that whatever you say you want to do, you're going to go out and do it, but you got to put the work there first. So in that sense, doubters give you fuel. Oh, yeah. A lot of people like that. A lot of people like that, they live off the haters. Oh, yeah.

They fuel me up. And then especially when the, it's crazy because, like, Majimov and Canelo, they were so respectful, you know, and I respect them. You know, I've been a fan of Majimov, you know, coming from Uzbekistan and learning about them and hearing about them. And I always been a fan of Canello, like, since I can remember, you know. So I didn't have that, like, killer, like, my heart in my heart. Like, I wanted to beat him. But, like, my other fights, I was like, man, I want to knock this dude out. Like, Benavides.

Yeah. I wanted to knock him out. Like, so, like, even in training, like, I didn't have that rage. Like, this dude talking shit, like, he, he never, they never got under my skin. It was, like, all we respect for it. So it was, like, I want to whip their ass, but I didn't want to, like, inflict, like, like pain like I want to like knock him out there was one fighter you fought at 140 his name is escaping me but you you stopped him in the fifth yes yeah I wanted to knock him

oh boy yeah and I was so mad like when you when you watch that fight you know I miss like when they stopped it I missed like two crazy hooks and I just was like man why I could not land him like he would have went to sleep like that's how I was saying I wanted to put him in sleep but And, you know, it's a sport and it is what it is. And I'm happy that we all could go home to our family and talk about it, you know, years down the line. Yeah. Well, that is the danger of the sport.

That's why it's so different than every other sport. It's like you legitimately putting your life on the line. Yeah. And a lot of people don't understand that until something happened. Right. You know, us boxers, a lot of boxers have died in that ring. a lot of boxers have went in the ring one way and left it a different way.

Yes. You know, so when a lot of fans, they criticize boxers for doing what the sport is for, and that's boxing, you know, us boxers, like, you're not even here getting your brains beat out. So what you consider boring, we consider us doing what the sport is meant to do. Right.

It's box. Right. You know, and I think a lot of fans don't give a lot of fighters they just do for boxing. You know, like Floyd, like Shakur, you know, when they peer boxers. Yes. You know, they want to see people bleed and battered, knocked out. you know but they're not thinking about the after math and the after effects of them fighters going to the hospital blood on the brains pissing blood and things like that like your body is not meant to be be on like that right you know so

they just looking at oh well i pay this money y'all going to go in there and kill each other you know and i think that's wrong yeah well you're always going to have morons in this world you're always going to have casuals. It was going to have people that don't appreciate what they're seeing. But like when I see a performance like Shakur versus Tiafemale that last fight, they're like, that was art. That was art. That sneaky jab where it was like half speed and then popping him with the jab. And you can see Lopez just couldn't get out of the way of it. He didn't know what to do. It was beautiful. It was barely got hit. It was beautiful. And things like that. You know, you see two

high caliber fighters, but you just see one just on a different level because of his boxing IQ, you know, not because T.O. Fimo didn't belong in the ring with him. It's just that Shakur IQ and his boxing ability is up here. Yes. You know, he didn't have to sit in front of him and trade shots and give T.O. Fimo the opportunity to land a good shot and change the, the, the, the outcome of the fight. One shot, I don't care who you is, in the right spot, at the right moment, anybody can get knocked out.

Without a doubt. Yeah, without a doubt. I mean, the human brain is not designed to get punched. Right. It's just not designed that way, especially big punchers. And when you see a guy like Tiafimo, Tiafimo can crack.

He's a big dude, and he's a world champion. And it was one of the most lopsided performances ever, where you see one world champion challenging another world champion. For sure. I mean, it was art. To me, I was, every moment of that fight, like, up until the 12th round, I was just like, there was multiple times. I was like, oh, my good. It was just beautiful.

It was just, I love watching a guy at the pinnacle, you know, watching a guy where everybody else has got to go, wow. I didn't think it was going to go like this. Because, you know, Tiafimo's a super aggressive guy, beat Lomachenko, he's got a nasty jab, throws big power. power in his punches, he's tough as hell. You know, a lot of people are like, this is going to be a tough fight. And Shakur just, and he didn't run, he stood right in front of him. That's the other thing. He wasn't getting hit, and he was right in front of him.

I mean, that was art. That was art. That's boxing at the highest level. And I'm fascinated because now they're talking about him and Ryan Garcia. I am fascinated to watch that fight. Because that's a, Shakur's a different animal. Brian looked amazing in that fight I mean he looked amazing

I mean he looked so fast and it was beautiful fight to watch but that's an interesting fight I like that fight Shakur and him I like that fight a lot because Shakur's just a different animal you're dealing with a whole different kind of skill set

yeah Shakur listen I went down to camp before he fought T.F.E. And I've seen his focus in the level of, you know, intense training he was doing. And I said, I don't know it all, but I know Shakura going to whoop Tiafimo's eyes.

I tweeted that way before the fight, you know, and he went out there and did it. Ryan looked spectacular in his fight for what it was. I don't think Barrios came to fight. You know, Ryan was boxing great. You know, the jab was working. the overhand right was working and he looks out at me at the end and say you see my jab i said man it was working that jab was beautiful because we don't we're not used to seeing ryan jad right you know or or or boxing for that matter you know he was he was boxing beautiful beautiful

you know and i commend him on that like he he aced it you know but when it come to shakur Shakur is not a barrios. You know, Shakur got a jab. Shakur got hand movement. Shakur got defense. Shakur knows range. Shakur have good legs. So I look at that fight, like, it's not going to be as a competitive fight like everybody

think because if Ryan get careless, he's going to get countered all day. If he gets careless. I think he'll fight very different. Then he fought with Barrios. He's got to. Barrios just couldn't keep up with the speed. I mean, Ryan's speed is extraordinary. He relies on it a lot, but, I mean, that's not a knock.

That's just like if you had it, everybody should rely on that. I mean, that speed is nuts. Chaucor's a different animal. That's what I was saying. Well, a lot of people thought Devin Haney was different, though, right? A lot of people thought Devin Haney was going to give him real problems. When he dropped Devin early with a left hook, everybody was like, oh, this is different. I wish he didn't have a positive drug test in that fight because that fucking tainted everything.

They know each other far too well. I think him and Devin fought each other the most, how to all of them. You know, Shakur and Ryan fought as well, which Shakur won all the times that they fought. But I just think, you know, him and Devin, the history of it. Devin came in there overconfident Ryan you know

being juiced up you know added a little whatever it did but you know you can't take away from him landing the punches that he was landing

you can't take away from the performance that you know he was doing but when you when you want steroids that add too

you know it definitely adds something. What was he, what did he get popped for? Do you remember? I don't even know. I just know. Jamie, find out what he got popped for. It was a very low level of whatever he got popped for. And a lot of people say, oh, the levels, it doesn't, it wouldn't even matter. It's such a small level. The problem is there's a lot of ways you can mask the amount of steroids you have in your system. And that's one of the reasons why the UFC banned IVs. Because you can flush your body out if you superhydrate with IVs.

I don't know what you're supposed to put in the IV, but there's some nutrients that you can put in IVs that will mask any traces of performance-enhancing drugs, which is why at UFC you have to hydrate. This is drug-free sports policy and USADA's policy. You have to hydrate only with drinking liquids. You can't hydrate with an IV. And when you use an IV, which I don't know,

was they allowed to use IVs to read-I-I-I-D. I don't know. When you use IVs to rehydrate, you can mask a lot of shit. If he did use an IV to rehydrate and he only showed a trace him out, that's still... What did he test positive for? Lost, which... I miss which fighter you're talking about? Ryan Garcia.

Oh, that's right. Ryan Garcia, when he fought Devin Haney. The fight got overturned, right? It was a no contest, which is very unfortunate because it was a clear victory, one of his best victories ever. Droped Devin, had him in trouble a bunch of times. Dropped him... How many times? A few.

Yeah, a few times. He looked fucking great in that fight. Yeah, he did. And I think, unfortunately, you know, that positive drug test, just... Osterine? Yeah. Okay. I think, you know, both of those fights is great fights for Ryan.

Ryan is in a great position right now. Oh, yeah. You know, he got the Raleigh unification fight. You know, he lost to Ralee. He got that fight that he can... and, you know, try to avenge in a unification fight. Really looked great in that fight. He got Devin in a unification fight.

He got Shakur in a spectacular fight. So Ryan's in a great position right now. If Javante comes back, he's got that rematch. I don't think Javante is going to fight him without having those type of claws. The rehydration clause. Yeah. Bring him down and you got to do this and you got to do that. That's great.

Those clauses are crazy. You can't weigh more than X when you get into the... Fuck off with that. That's like with me and Conella. I'm like, man, listen, I'm challenging you. Yeah. You can weigh whatever you want. I don't want no excuses.

You know, hey, it is what it is. All you got to do is weigh 168. Yeah. You know, and then after that, it is what it is. Well, that's the same shit that Floyd made Conello do. Yeah. Yeah. That's where they got it from.

Yeah. That's where they got it. The thing is these guys see that big number. They see those purses and they go, oh, I can fight good. I'll just get a little smaller beforehand. It's just not smart. Yeah, your body's not going to react when it's not fully hydrated. No, not chance.

It's the worst way to fight, you know. I think guys who cut a tremendous amount of weight, they do themselves a terrible disservice. It really do. I think it's terrible for your body. What's the most you ever had to cut? The most I ever had the cup for probably like 25. That's a lot. What weight?

Was that 35 or 40? 47. 47, really? Wow. My last fight was Spence. And when did you start your cut? Months. Months out.

Yeah, months out. So the week of the fight, what were you at? Probably like 152, 54. Oh, okay. That's very good. That's very reasonable. See, MMA fighters do it in a fucked-up way. But it was...

Them last couple of pounds is tough. Yeah. Them last couple of pounds are tough. And I just knew that it was over with. I knew it was over with, you know. But the hardest cut ever was when I was at 135. That was, like, killing me. What were you walking around at back then?

Probably, like, in the 50s. Mm. Like 55. And so would you just lower your calories in camp, in camp? Everything. I got to change my whole diet. And then the week of the fight, what did you weigh when you were fighting 35? I don't even, man, I was cutting, like, probably like seven pounds the week of the fight.

See, in the MMA world, that's nothing. These guys are cut crazy. Because they wait to the last minute. I know a lot of MMA. Yeah, they just dehydrate themselves. Yeah, they wait to the last minute. But mine, I got to start gradually because I never want to go in there and just like tank. Right.

So I got to change my eating habits up months, like two months in advance. That way I can get my body used to being lighter and, you know, performing at that weight class. Because if not, you know, you're doing more hurting yourself than good because, you're doing it. You're taking all the fluid out of your brain. Exactly. You know, and yeah, I couldn't be at no disadvantage like that. And it makes you more vulnerable to getting knocked out. Yeah.

Definitely. I mean, Alex Pereira was the craziest example in the UFC. He was fighting at 185 and he would weigh 225 when he fought, which is bananas. I mean, that's 40 fucking pounds. I think that's why I got when, when couldn't, not a could know, when I fought Gamboa, when I got hurt, you know, in the ninth ground. But I stopped them in the ninth round, but that was part of that. Boom, called me with a clean shot.

Boom! I was like, oh, shit. You know? Until this day, that's the only fight that I got hurt like that ever. You know, a lot of people thought, mean machine, drive me, machine, hurt me. I didn't got, me machine him with some hard shots, some clean hard shots, but nothing was like that gamble. Like my whole leg locked up. And I was just like, man, I got to grab this dude, you know, and.

And you think the weight cut had a lot to do with that? Yeah, definitely. What weight was that at? 135. Yeah, 135. You're a big guy, man. That's a lot of weight to cut. Yeah.

That's the most problematic part of MMA for sure. I was actually just having a conversation with Hunter Campbell about that. They're trying to devise strategies to discourage these big weight cuts and trying to figure out what to do. It was crazy, though, because I always been skinny. You know, a lot of people, they say, oh, he's a weight bully. He's this, he's that. And it's like, bro, I came from 132.

I wasn't at, you know, you see a lot of these fighters, they're in the amateurs. Like Sean Porter, he was at 165, then he went to 147. You know, a lot of people, they were hit. heavier, and then they dropped weight. I was at 132, and I moved up to go at 135, you know, as a professional. And I was cool with the weight. Then I just started filling out once I start, you know, working out more and doing a little

strength of condition, and I just started, my body started filling out. So I kept moving up, but the weight that I was at with Canelo, that's the most comfortable time of my career to be able to eat whatever I want, not focus on weight, just work out. Did you feel much better in the ring because of that? I did. I did because that was the only time that I never, like, I had to eat to keep my weight on. Wow. And it's like, I'm not used to doing that.

Like, I'm used to, you know, we got portions. It's like, they feed me big meals. I'm like, I can't eat all this. You know, but so that was the one camp that it was like the weight wasn't issue. Do you have a nutritionist in camp? And so how do they do your meals? Is it all based on X amount of protein, X amount of carbs, it's all weighed out? All that.

Yeah. And then they weigh you, check you, make your body fat. They ask me what I weigh in the morning, every morning. What did you weigh like when you got into the ring? I think I was like 72 Okay It's just a few pounds Yeah

Nothing Yeah I didn't wait I probably A couple of pounds Yeah The only difference in MMA is obviously the grappling

You know And that's it plays a big advantage If you can get a lot of weight on a guy That's why a lot of guys do it It's also MMA is very flawed And one of the most flawed aspects Of it is the weight classes

There's just not enough weight classes. There's giant leaps. Like between 205, the next weight class is heavyweight. So it's 205 to 265. 185, the next weight class is 205. That's 20 pounds. That's nuts. 170 to 185. 15 fucking pounds is a lot. A lot. That's a lot. Seven pounds is a lot. Fifty-five to 70. Yeah, seven pounds is a lot. A lot of people don't know, but I was way stronger at 47 than I was at 40. and that's only seven pounds.

Right. That's seven pounds of muscle that I don't have to cut. Right. Yeah. And a lot of people think, oh, it's just seven pounds or 135 to 140. Is this five pounds? Oh, that matters. Yes, it matters a lot.

And for fighters, there's a lot of guys that are tweeners. They're too big for 155. They can't make the weight. And then they're too small for 170. Yes. Because at 170, you got guys that are never going to make 155. They're coming down from 210. And they're getting to 1.5.

And they're jacked. I know somebody that was coming out from 2.30 fighting at 165. Oh, my God. Who was that? I didn't go say his name. Well, Anthony Rumble Johnson was the craziest one that I ever saw. 230. Anthony Rumble Johnson was 230 and he was fighting in 170.

I ran into Rumble once, rest in peace. He died a few years back. I ran into Rumble once when he was fighting at 170 and he was in between fights. I ran into him at the hotel, and he was a fucking heavy weight. He was so big. I go, what do you weigh? And he said, 2.30. I'm like, dude, that's crazy.

You have to cut 60 pounds? Yeah. But it was killing him. It was killing him. Like, literally to the brink of death. The day before I fight, that's nuts. That doesn't make any sense. And they were all doing it because they all felt like they had to be the biggest guy in there.

Yeah. Not smart. No. At all. I think for MMA, they really need to recognize this, that one of the things that's going to stop weight clots is give people more weight classes, give people more options.

This idea of only having eight champions, I think in MMA is very, very limiting. It's also limiting the potential of a guy like you to go up and up and up and win championship after championship. In MMA, if you win two belts, that's crazy. That's the only thing anybody's ever done. Because the weight classes is so far apart. Exactly.

So the only people that have ever done it have done it in two weight classes. No one's done it in three. You know, Pereira might try to do it at heavyweight. He might try to go up to heavyweight now because he's walking around like 240, which is crazy because he used to fight at 185. It's nuts.

But if they had more options and they had more weight classes, I think we'd have more competitive fights. We'd have less extreme weight cutting. We'd have healthier fighters. Just more champions is better. There's a lot of guys that could be, champions, there's not a weight class for them. If there's a 20 pound gap, 20 pounds is so much.

If I put 20 pounds of bone and muscle on this table and show you what it looks like, you'd be like, whoa, that's a crazy amount of mass. And the difference between losing that, gaining that, being in the middle of that, it's pretty significant. So for a lot of fighters, their frame doesn't line up perfectly with whatever the division is. It just, they don't have a chance. It sucks. It does.

It drives me nuts. It drives me nuts. Well, I think extreme weight cutting is the worst thing that's ever happened to the sport of MMA. Any sport. Any sport. But in boxing, it's not as extreme. No one really does it. Jeremy Clellan used to do it.

He got real big in between fights, real big. He was big. But that cost him in the Nigel Ben fight. I think that probably is what led to his bleeding of the brain. That's probably one of the contributing factors. to why he's, you know, he's so hurt right now, you know. And that fucked Roy up too, because back at the time, that was his biggest rival was Gerald.

And, you know, Roy was always like, I do not want that ever happening to me, you know. Yeah, like, man, like I say, when you lose that weight and you don't understand, you losing that fluid in the back of your brain, you know. And it takes days for that fluid to fully return to your brain, especially when you're just drinking the water and not IV rehydrating.

It's tough. Yeah, it's, but I mean, boxing's been around longer. They've got it figured out. And unfortunately, or fortunately, the UFC dominates MMA. And they only have eight weight classes, so everybody else only has eight weight classes. California has instituted a bunch of different weight classes, but nobody, the UFC has a heavyweight limit.

Isn't that crazy that is? Isn't that stupid? It's stupid, right? Definitely. Talk to these people. I'm just now learning about that. You didn't know? No, not.

You have to wait 265. So think about Tyson Fury. When Tyson Fury fought Deontay, he was like $2.80, 285. Yeah. Imagine he's got to dehydrate himself. He's got to lose 20 fucking pounds just to make the weight class. That's retarded. That doesn't make any sense at all.

At all. At all. It's the heavy weight. It's the heaviest weight we can go. Remember Valuev when he was fighting in Evander Holyfield? Oh, my. It was huge. God.

He had to be over 300 pounds. He was a literal giant, an actual giant. Yeah. So I think that's something you need to talk to Dana about. Nobody listens to me, bro. They don't. They don't listen to me. They think I'm crazy.

Well, we got to petition it then. Oh, I have a bunch of wacky rules that I want to institute. So I understand why they don't want to listen to me. I would throw the whole sport up in the air. I think it... It's never too early to plan your summer story in Europe with WestJet, from rolling countryside to cobblestone streets. Begin your next chapter.

Book your seat at westjet.com or call your travel agent. Westjet, where your story takes off. These combat sports, it got to come from the fighters. You know, just like boxing. I think if the fighters come together, they can make anything happen. The fighters don't understand the level of power that they carry because they think, oh, since they cut in the check, they got the power. Right.

You know, but they can't cut the check without us. You know, but it's the fighters that need the money that makes it hard. Right. Because the fighters that already got the money, they can make a stand for something. But the fighters that doesn't, they're like, well, you can do that. I got to provide for my family. You can take a chance of going at the organization for a year or how ever long is going to lives, but who gonna pay my bills?

Right. Who gonna put food on my family table while we're doing this, why we're making this stand? So it's a little tougher for them to make that stand than a person that's already established. Yes. You know, and I think that's where, you know, the seesaw effect happens with boxing in UFC because... The UFC is more extreme because it's really just the UFC. Yeah. It's really, I mean, even Francis Ingano, right?

Francis Ingano, one of the most devastating fighters to ever compete in MMA, UFC heavyweight champion. They couldn't get a deal signed, and he winds up leaving. And he goes to the PFL. But nobody's watching. Nobody watches. Nobody cares. He knocked out some dude in the PFL and nobody cared.

Is he making more money? Yes. He cares. Well, that's why he did it. Yeah, that's all that matters. A great deal with the PFL. And then he got to box. Box Tyson Fury.

Fox, Anthony, Joshua. Doing well. Doing well. Much, much more money, for sure. Which is good, but the fortunate and unfortunate. Fortunate that the UFC is the best promotional organization that's ever existed. They really know how to do it. They do it right.

They make stars out of these fighters. They give them all these opportunities. They get the most asses in the seats. Every pay-per-view sells well. When there's a U.S.C. pay-per-view, people line up to see it. There's a bunch of stars in the U.S. but unfortunately when they're in other organizations even if they're getting paid more

nobody knows who they are and so if they want to come to the UFC they have to take a pay cut which is crazy so you're leaving an organization like if you're going from small promotions and boxing and then all of a sudden you're in a world title fight and you're in or you're in you know

Golden Boy promotions you would imagine now I'm getting paid more money more people are watching me but it's not the case like these other organizations like the PFL have to pay these guys more money because otherwise they can't get them at all because everybody wants to fight in the UFC. It's not a monopoly because there is other options. There's one FC, there's PFL, there's some organizations in Russia and other parts of the world, but the reality is it's like the NFL or like, you know, Q-tips. It's like it's got a name.

It's the NBA. Nobody wants to watch some new basketball organization. Nobody wants to watch the, I mean, the XFL, do people watch it? I don't know. But it's not the Super Bowl. You know, it's like there's one big organization. That's the NFL. There's one big MMA organization. That's the UFC. And for these guys that want the glory, they want to be known as the best in the world, there's one place to be. So it's very difficult for those guys to hold out for more money. It goes back to identity and what you're doing it for. Right. You know, that's what you got to ask yourself. Is you doing it for fame? Is you doing it for, to provide stability for your family?

Is it, I need money? Legacy. Yeah, definitely legacy. For the greats of the greats, legacy is the primary focus, almost always. Greatness is always the primary focus, because otherwise you never achieve greatness. If you're just thinking about money, I don't think those guys ever get to the level that you're at or the level that, like, the elite of the elite get. I think those guys have to have their eye on being the number one dog, period. Facts.

That's why I asked what is you doing it for because in Ghana, you know, he's already famous. Right. He probably like, okay, well, if y'all going to pay me X amount over here and they only going to pay me this, then it makes business sense to go over here. Yes. You know, and that's just like kind of being. He just signed with Zufa. And a lot of people was saying he's disloyal,

and Eddie Hernsdown was loyal to him and this and I and this. He's getting $15 million for us. I'm like, man, what is people talking about? I said, it's just business. It ain't personal with them, I bet. I said, Conner Ben did what was best for him and his family. I said, just like the promotional company's going to do what's best for them and their business, If a fighter that they sign

lose probably too straight, they get to cut them. No questions asks. Why? Because now they waste their money they fail. They don't care about that person family. They don't care about that person, you know, relationship with them. They're not going in there with their heart like,

oh, man, like you a good buddy. They're like, ah, sorry, it's just business. Cut you. So when a fighter does the same thing that a promotional company do or a manager or anybody else, it's all you disloyal, you this, you that. I'm like, make it make sense.

It doesn't make any sense in boxing. Because in boxing, there's so many promoters. There's so many different people. It's Eddie Hearns, Bob Aram. There's so many different promoters. Don King. There's so many different promoters. That's the beauty of boxing.

There's a lot of competition and there's a lot of people that are there to try to get you over onto their side. And there's cross-promotion. There's no cross-promotion. promotion in the MMA. It doesn't exist. They tried it a little bit in the early days. They sent some UFC fighters over to Japan to fight for pride and they brought some pride fighters over into the

UFC but they don't do that anymore. That was the early days because it was the sport wasn't big back then. They were just trying to get big names and they were trying to work a promotional deal but Japanese man they're clever. Like when they sold them pride they thought they were getting all the fighters, turned out all the contracts were bullshit, none of them were valid. They basically bought pride for I think they spent $65 million and they got a library. They just got a

video library. UFC did? Yeah, they didn't get shit. They didn't get Fador. Fadour was the big dog. At one point in time, he was kicking everybody lays. I remember. Fucking everybody up. Slamming them, arm barring them, fucking people up standing.

He was complete. And he was at the same time where Kane Velazquez was in his prime and that was the fight that they tried to put together but the Russians because the UFC didn't have a contract with

Fado anymore because the contracts of pride were all bullshit they had a deal with these Russian gangsters and these Russian gangsters were like you know they wanted a piece of the promotion they wanted a lot and the UFC wasn't willing it got it very contentious so the UFC had to up their security

it got sketchy it got sketchy they're being bad dudes. Those are bad dudes, you know? But it's just as a fan, we were robbed. We were robbed of like one of the greatest matchups in the history of the sport. And there's a few of those moments in combat sports where you've got these just top dogs where you're like, God, we've got to see that happen. For a while was Floyd and Manny, right? For a while. And after Juan Manuel Marquez knocked out Manny, it took a little of the shine off of that.

And then eventually they fought, but man, he had a hurt shoulder. And now they're going to do it again. They're both 50. It's crazy. You're going to watch it, though. I'm going to watch it. Fuck you, I'm going to watch him fighting Mike. I think that's crazy.

He's going to have an exhibition with Tyson, which is crazy. Yeah, that's crazy. Mike is so much bigger than him. He's so much bigger than him. He's not going to land a fist on Mayweather. Right. It's not after his last performance. You know, I think Tyson just

What do you think was going on with that? The last one? It looked a little bit like sparring. Yeah, I don't know. I think it was scripted. Yeah. I ain't never seen Tyson biting his gloves. And, like, you could just, it was taking all that he could not to, like, hit him.

It was just like, it's, it's heartbreaking to see an icon go out like that. Yeah. You know, and. But it's crazy also to see him fight at 57 years old. Yeah, but still, like, he shouldn't have been in there at all. You know, I think it's other ways. Yeah. You know, it's other ways for.

But what did he get? He got at least 20, right? Yeah, but still, I think, you know, with all that money. Yeah, but with all his connections and things like that, I think people could have put him in the right position that makes him money. If he's got people with him that are looking out for his best interest, but you know how it is. When there's a guy like that, that's a big name, Usually everybody around him pretends they're looking out for their best interests, but there's always lawsuits later on.

You find out someone was stealing money or not paying him what he deserved. There's always a bunch of bullshit involved. You know, unfortunately, especially if you're not business-minded, which I don't know if Mike is, but most fighters aren't. Most fighters concentrate on fighting. To be business-minded, that's a giant distraction. You've got to pay attention to all this other shit. On top of that, it's generally not how they think.

Right. you know i mean look at floyd like floyd like floyd spends money like it's a tap like he's got a tap just like unlimited amount of money well it's money's just flowing and even as much money as he's made in his career which he's probably made as much if not more money than any boxer ever like there's all these lawsuits like he hasn't been paying things and he owes money on this and owes money on that and it's like and then he's got to come out of retirement yeah that's that's tough Yeah. That's tough.

I think it's just a lifestyle that Floyd live. Yes. I think he can't fathom to just live a modest lifestyle. It's like he got to be lavish. Right. He's got to have those videos where he shows you all the watches, where it opens the case up, you know. All the money.

He got to show that he got a million dollars in his backpack. Yeah. You know, he got the latest watch and the latest car. And look what I just bought. And when you get into latest watch, watches and latest cars you get into that shit like boy that money goes quick yeah Bugatti's like three million there's watches that are three five million that's crazy see by a watch in a car you're down ten and that's nuts that's nuts

crazy I remember I ran Barclay was talking about that I ran Barclay when he was in his prime was hanging out with all these professional athletes and everybody was getting diamond-crusted chains and this and that and he was keeping up up with these people. Like, you got to keep up with the Joneses. And he just found himself, like, draining all of his money. He was talking about it. Like, that was the biggest detriment to him being able to save any money. Mm-hmm. They're trying to keep up. Yeah. Which I thought was funny when I was listening to this conversation with Chad Ocho Cinco. He was talking about it. He was like, his jury face. His word fake jewelry. But who would know? What's that?

Who would know? He said, Ocho Cinco. It's like, when they look at it, like, Flying economy. He was sleeping at the stadium. So he didn't have to pay for a department. So smart. So clever, you know. But that's a guy, like, preparing. Nobody's going to question him.

Exactly. Oh, man, this NFL star, he got money. Yeah. You know, so we're not going to question if his diamond is real or not. Well, you really can't tell. Right. I can't. I mean, you can't tell until you get a magnifying glass on.

That's why they say we got these diamond testers. Yeah. You want to test your diamonds now. Like, come on now. Yeah. It's just an all illusion anyway. Do you fuck around with any of that stuff? I got jury, but I'm not paying all that money for no jury.

Yeah. Now, we can get some sponsorships. Yes. But me keep spending hundreds and millions of dollars on jury, nah, I don't mean. It's just not smart. Yeah. And you don't get out of it what it costs. Like, if you think about how much blood sweat, what?

Sometimes you do. What do you get? Now, if you buy it from the factory, now if you get you a Rolex from the Rolex store, you know, you might get some money back for it. You can flip it. Yeah, that's true. Now, buzz now, but if you get it from the actual store, the protect store, the Rolex store. That's true. Them type of stores.

Keep the box in the papers. Yeah. It's worth a lot of money. It's worth more money. Then it's an investment. But all the other ones, the chains and stuff like that. No, you don't never see a billionaire with no chain. No.

You see it with a good watch, though. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. It's just the trappings of fame and also showing everybody that you have that money, the trappings of wealth, you know, competing with getting your own private jet, all that stuff. It's like, ooh. I learn from them. I learn from them because the people with the real wealth, you don't know they got the wealth. Right.

You know? Right. They walk around plain Jane clothes, no nothing. Yep. You know, but the people that have a little bit of money, they want you to know that they got a little bit of money, but they don't have the wealth. Right.

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Yeah. And keep it. Yeah, there you are. That's the thing. Because a lot of what wealth is is never having to worry about money. That's the big thing. Just have that money invested, have that money making money for you. don't spend it all on stupid shit

live a modest life, live a normal life you're much better off especially a professional athlete because you have such a small window of time. I mean a lot of men don't even make their real money until they're deep in their 40s and 50s. Or the end of the 30s.

Yeah, yeah. Look at Floyd when he fought Delaware, then he fought Gotti, then he started making some real money. Yes. But I mean, that's for a pro athlete. But for most of these, like, really wealthy business people,

most of them, unless they're tech investors. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. They're making their money later in life. And so you have all this opportunity to keep growing your wealth. But when you're an athlete, you've got a small window of your prime. Your prime is essentially, like, maybe 20 years. Maybe 20 years you can make money from 20 to 40. But for a pro athlete, unless you're Tom Brady, 40s,

end or unless you're Bernard. Bernard was fighting at a world-class level at 49, 50 years old, which is crazy. Crazy. Crazy. But that's because he take care of his body. 100%. You don't put nothing. Super disciplined. Never gets out of shape. Never puts any bullshit in his body. And also that mindset of what what he learned when he was incarcerated. Like that, like discipline is everything. Discipline. Never, knowing you're never going back to that. Don't. Don't buy anything stupid. Don't be done with your money. Don't be done with your body.

Take care of yourself. Never get out of shape. Always keep your conditioning up. So when you go into camp, you're not struggling to get back in shape again. You're already in shape. Now you're just working on your skills and honing everything to a razor sharp edge. I think that goes to, like I said before, the people that you have around you, you know, that want to see you be successful and the people that you can learn from and the people that you can get advice from.

you know when they see you about to do something that you shouldn't do they be like hey man we we ain't doing that come on let's go or they'll call you be like let's go run i'm i'm not doing another let's go jog or let's go to the gym or let's go eat some healthy food people that want to see you be successful not the ones that say hey let's go party let's go drink let's go do this let's do cocaine you know yeah i think those the people that you need to get from around you 100% The ones that see you doing Things that you shouldn't be doing

But that's cool with them Seeing you doing that Yeah that's also the problem With an entourage too For sure These guys are role with an entourage You always got one dude Who's fucking up

In that entourage There's conflicts in the entourage Between dudes And it's like you're managing All team of knuckleheads It's like oh god Just so that you can roll deep When you show up at a place

You have 30 dudes Hop out of SUV He's like oh he's here He's here Look at that group behind him I don't need none of that. That's beautiful. I don't need none of that.

That's a valuable lesson for young fighters to see your example. I'm glad you live the way you live. I really am. I really am because I think it's so important for guys to see. So let me ask you this. When you were training for Canelo, what did you do different? So knowing that you're going to be fighting at 168 instead of 54 or 47, what did you do different in terms of, did you do anything different about strength and conditioning?

How long did you prepare? I know you were thinking about that fight for a long time, but when you were physically preparing for it, knowing that you were going to be fighting him at 68, what did you do different? To be honest, I didn't do nothing different. Really? It's crazy.

Like all my fights, there's nothing different. You know, we train for me, me getting sharper, what I need to work on, what I'm lacking in. But the only thing that I change for the fight with Conello is Chet, my strength of condition coach, he got me in February. He called me up. He's like, hey, we're going to get this fight. He just kept saying we're going to get it.

So you need to be working out now. So this way before I ever got the Canelo fight, so I'm like, all right, so he'll come over in my house. We'll work out. We'll work out. What kind of stuff were you doing? Just strength work. Just strength work. Like dead lifts?

Like what kind of stuff? Dead lifts, strength of condition. Like dead lifts, working on good legs and things like. like that and just get my body just, you know, back to where it need to be, you know, and he's just like, man, you got to strengthen up your shoulders and things like that. And because quiet as kept, I had just had shoulder surgery. You did? Yeah.

So I just, you know, there's a lot of things that I go through and training, but I don't speak about because I don't never want it to be an excuse, you know. that's just one of the injuries that I was coming off of. But, yeah, he was just like, man, we got to work. We got to work. So what was the shoulder injury? Labor. Labrum?

Yeah. Yeah. So did you get it sewed back up? Yeah. Did you get stem cells shot in there at all? No, no, no. No? I just had surgery on the front and the back.

I wish I talked to you about that. Yeah. Could have got you in. Yeah. I didn't get it on my left shoulder. So I tore both of them. Well, I tore my left. In the Gambois fight.

Really? Yeah. And you never got it fixed? Never. Is it okay now or does it fucking do? It's still a tour. Really? But the doctors say if it's not preventing you from working out, then they wouldn't advise me to get surgery.

Do you feel it? Does it bother you? Sometimes, but not really. Like, it bothered me like sometimes, but like not crazy. How long are you down for? I leave after this. Damn. I wish I was.

That was crazy. Like, it was hurting when I was sleeping. after the Magimov fight. Oh, really? Yeah, after the Magimov fight, it was like throbbing. Then it was just like, man, we better get it done. But he was just on me, like, we got to do physical therapy,

we got to do this, we got to do this. And it was just like, all right, let's go. So he was just on me, and he was just speaking it into existence. He was like, man, you're going to get this fight. I can feel it. I can feel it. So, like, I started training for Canelo in February. I wasn't, you know, more so doing boxing workout,

But I was just getting my body prepared to, you know, go to camp. And when I start back to go. So strength work is, like, the basics, strength training. But, like, what kind of conditioning were you doing? Oh, nothing different, like running, swimming, things like that. And you didn't try to put on any weight? Just tried to, like, be able to walk around the weight is. Just tighten it up, you know, with the strength work, just tighten it up.

That was it. Damn, I wish I knew that you had a problem with your shoulder. I could get you back in town. There's a place called Waste Well that I work with here that does stem cells that helps so many fighters out. A lot of UFC guys come here. A lot of pro athletes come here. NFL guys come here just to get stem cells. It's like state-of-the-art facility.

It's really good. And it could help you. Yeah. Just I bet it could heal that labor. Probably. Yeah. Especially now because you're not going to beat it up as much in the future. Yeah.

Obviously, I'm sure you're still working out. You look great. No, I'm actually not. Not working out at all? Nothing? I've been chilling. You earned it? Hey, I've been putting on my time with my kids and just, you know, relaxing and not

having to worry about running and waking up in the morning. Did they offer you a rematch? No. They didn't. Because there was talk that they offered your rematch, but you wanted 100 million and all this all the internet bullshit? That's a lot. There wasn't even no rematch.

No rematch. in the contract, there is no conversation about a rematch. There still haven't been a conversation about a rematch. I've seen Canelo said that he won a rematch, but nobody has reached out to me and said, hey, Terence, what you think about a rematch or anything like that. So let's put that out there. Is there a number that would bring you back?

I don't know. Like, me personally, I can't say it is, you know. You're not compelled. Yeah, not at all. You did it. Yeah. Did it perfect. It's like I'm not, the motivation, I'm always motivated by competing and, you know, things like that.

But like, when it comes to, like, boxing, it's like, I did it all. Right. Like, it's like, I checked everything off the checkbox. So it's like, it wasn't close. Right. You know? Right. I beat them, you know, decisively.

So what am I doing? I think I might have given him one or maybe two rounds, more like one. Yeah. It was mostly, there was, I think it was like maybe the fifth. He had a really good fifth round. Yeah, the fifth round. Yeah. But other than that, man, especially the ninth round.

Woo! And he had buttoned me. He headbutted me on purpose. Did he? Yes. Really? Yes. I was like, man.

He was like, sorry, champion. I was like, it's a motherfucker. He just got a little. little angry, a little frustrated. Yeah, a little frustrated. Yeah, it's a fight. Like, any time I'm in a fight, I don't complain about nothing. If somebody hit me in the back of the head or they hit me below the waist or anything

like that, I never complain because I'm so aggressive, I'm like, it's a fight. You know what I mean? Like, they're trying to do whatever they can to win. It's up to this referee to step in because if you don't, then I'm going to take matters in my own hands and I'm going to do the same thing. So I don't complain. I'm just like, bam, I was a little frustrated. I was like, man, all right, all right, breathe.

Let's get back to work. Yeah, don't lose your composure. Yeah, for sure. That's the problem with getting angry, right? Yeah, for sure. But yeah, that ninth round, whoo, that's when you really started separating. Yeah. You really started pouring it on.

I was wondering if you're going to stop them. When the ninth round was going on, when you were cracking them with some big shots, I'm like, whoa. So I told my coach when we was in there. He was like, you don't got to do that? You don't got to, because they know, they know me. And I'm like, man, I can go for it. And, you know, and it's just like, they just know me. They know my demeanor.

And it was like, you don't got to give them a chance. Just keep doing what you doing. You boxing the shit out of them. You winning hands down. Don't give them a chance. You don't got to box them. You don't got to do that. You winning.

So it's just like me wanting to listen to my coaches all the time because I have that much. faith in them, if they tell me to go out there and use my jab the whole fight, that's what I'm going to do, because that's the belief I have in them, you know, and I just like, all right, the last round I was like, all right, let me win this round and separate myself, you know, and I felt like I heard him bad in that round. Yes. You know, but it's boxing.

Yeah, well, he's got a crazy chin. Yeah. He's got a crazy chin. I mean, it's something unusual. No. You don't think so? No, they said redheads is hard to knock out. It's proven.

Yeah, I googled it. What does they call? Ginger's? Yeah, ginger's. Yeah. I promise you, will you look it up? Well, they have a higher painter on. Yes, supposedly.

Yeah. When you look it up, I looked it up because my cousin, she's a nurse. and she said, yeah, them gingers, they're hard to put to sleep, even when you giving them the aesthetics to go to sleep. Really? Yeah. Interesting. Redheads often possess unique pain profile, generally exhibiting a higher threshold for specific

types of pain like heat or pressure, but requiring 19 to 20 percent more general anesthesia. Wow. Or higher doses, 19 to 20 percent is a lot. Or higher doses of certain anesthetics to reach the same level of comfort. That's crazy. Largely due to the mutated MC1R gene, which affects nerve sensitivity, can lead to increased sensitivity to pain and paradoxical, increased sensitivity to some opioids. Interesting. Interesting.

Increased sensitivity to opioids is interesting. When she told me that, I googled it, and I was like, damn, this is why Conno can take so many good shots. That does make sense. Well, you know, Neanderthals supposedly had red hair. So maybe like redheads have more Neanderthal genes. Probably. You know, the Neanderthals were brutally strong. I wonder if that's where it comes from.

I thought she was playing at first. That's crazy. She was like, man, when we'd be trying to put them to sleep, it'd be harder to put them to sleep than normal people. So I started Googling and I like, you're fucking right. 19 to 20 percent is nuts. That's a lot. That's like the difference between killing someone.

And them just going to sleep. Like you give them an extra 20% They might not wake up. Facts. That's crazy. 19 to 20% is wild. Yeah. Well, I was talking to Jim Lampley,

and I didn't know this, but Canello has always been riding horses since he was young. That's good for his balance. Yes. And his legs. Yeah. It's his base. That's a big part of it.

Also, he's got that thick fucking neck, big square head. Like he's been doing an iron neck all. Research says Neanderthals have a different mutation that actually gives them more sensitivity to Peyton. Interesting. More humans. Interesting. More sensitivity?

Yeah. Lower threshold. Interesting. That's like the opposite. Wow. Even though they're redheaded. Yeah. So he ain't want to know.

He ain't want to know. He's the other one. It's one of those Mexican redheads. Right. Yeah. It's wild. That's crazy. But yeah, I never thought the horse thing.

Like Lampley was explaining. It was like, yeah, the balance and the legs because you're constantly squeezing down on that horse and you're constantly adjusting and your core and everything. I'm like, oh, I never even thought of that. I would just think, why are you riding horses when you're a world champion? Don't do that.

People fall off horses. They break their fucking neck. Don't do that. Yeah, I've seen a guy break his arm. They wanted me to take a picture on the horse. And my bro, man, he was like, I don't know about these fucking horses These horses be crazy

I said man I rode horses before He was like yeah but it's a lot of people around And he asking the guy And about the horses And the other guy was like yeah he can get on this horse So I get on the horse I take the horse I take the pitcher

And I get off No longer than like 10 minutes This guy on his own horse His horse just buck Go crazy Buck him off Boom he broke his arm this in the parade and the horses are just running wild I'm like he said see see

this is what I was telling you he was going crazy he was like see I told you these fucking horses yeah but it wasn't the same horse it was a different horse yeah but he was just like see that's why I was telling you these horses be fucking crazy yeah you just never know with animals you just my oldest daughter got into horses for a while one of her friends used to do those things where you know they the horse jumps over a thing And, like, you know, they have like a whole obstacle course. And she was getting into that. And she fell once and she was okay.

And then she fell a second time. She hurt her wrist pretty bad. I was like, honey, you've got to stop. You can't be doing it. This is too dangerous. Because, like, those kind of injuries you get falling off a horse, especially if you get stomped, those are life-changing. Especially if you get tied up.

Oh. I didn't see videos of people getting buck in their legs. Oh. They just a rag dog getting beat up. Getting stomped in the head. Oh, no, no, no, no. Yeah, horses. Fuck that.

Fuck that. I know quite a few people that have fallen off horses and been okay, but, like, why? Why do it? Yeah. Texas Ranger. Everybody wants to be a cowboy. They watch Yellowstone two times. Everybody want to be a cowboy.

It's funny. We were talking to Andre Ward on the phone today when you had Andre on FaceTime, and you were talking about burbles. Yeah. But I've been going down this berberal rabbit hole, those mastiffs. I'm fascinated by them, man. The South African mastiffs, they used to keep lions and hyenas away from the farms. You know, and we were talking about coyotes. Like, you got land now.

You know, you're just, you're relaxing now. So I like it. Separated from everything, got some space. Yeah, but it's crazy because when I was building the house, You know, a lot of people was like, oh, he's building a house on the aerospace money and this and I and this. I'm like, dude, do you know how long the process is of building houses? Like, this is not no week or two month deal, you know what I mean? It's years.

Yeah, like. Just from design to the beginning of construction, it's years. Yeah, for sure. You got to go pick out every fucking thing in the house. You know, I bought that land in 2016. Oh, really? Wow. I just was sitting on it.

It was a house there already. You know, I had it ran out to one of my buddies, my best friend at that, you know. And when the time came, I had more kids. So, you know, it was better that I waited than to build then. So I just was like, man, it's time. You know, it's more peaceful out there. The kids, they ride the four-wheelers out there where we can shoot out there. Nice.

We can do whatever we want out there. And it's just, you know, peaceful to wake up to the sunrise and, you know, the nature, call it. Yeah. It ain't nothing like it. That's the dream. It's definitely the dream. Yeah, for a lot of people. That's nice.

That's nice. It's nice to see someone just setting their life upright. Yeah. You know? I'm just amazed that you don't get the itch at all. Nah. I'm more competitive in other sports, you know. Like what?

Like basketball? football. I'm anything. I ain't rely anything I do. It's like I got to compete. I got to compete. I got to compete. Darts, pool.

Like, whatever. You remember I came in here? Like, you want to play pool? You're like, let's do it. I was like, no, I was just funny. You can't kick my ass on the camera. I heard that you was good. I fucked Lennox Lewis up.

He was talking a lot of shit. I heard it was good. Lennox Lewis never got a shot. I ran two racks on him. Yeah. He was like, we're done. I came in here, pump faking you.

I hear, though. Already knowing. Yeah, I knew right away. I just like to have fun, you know. Well, everyone who is an elite athlete is insanely competitive. Yeah. You know, that's the problem, though, is unfortunately some of them get involved in gambling. You know, like, that's the Michael Jordan thing.

That's what we were just talking about. Yeah. He was like, you gamble by saying, man, I ain't never gamble. Good for you. Stay the fuck away. A lot of people was always asking, why you don't get more in your fights? I don't gamble at all. Good for you.

You know, they was like, oh, well, we see you, when you gabbled on the streamer, you know, Aiden Ross, I said that was only because he called me out with my brother. What did you do? What was that? He bade me $10,000 that T.afima was going to whoop Shakur. Oh, that's a crazy bag. You know what I mean? So it was just like. That's a silly bet.

He called me out on live, you know, streams. So I'm never going to back down. down from that. Of course. I'm riding with Shakur until the wheels fall off. That's also like if I was making odds, I'm putting like a six to one. Yeah. Like that's a crazy flat out bet. You're not even getting any odds on the money and you're putting it on T. No disrespect to Tafima, but I think that Shakur is, he has the potential to be an all-time great. Yeah, he will be. I believe so. He will be. All they got to do is keep doing what he's doing, stay focused. And that's it. It's just with fighters like Shakur, Devin, it's all about staying focused.

You know, when these young fighters get to the pinnacle of boxing and they got everything at their disposal, sometimes they get caught up in the limelight and the things that really don't matter. You know, and long as they stay focused and keep their eye. eye on the prize of where they want to go and where they want their legacy to land, they're going to be just fine. Yeah. Because it's easy for them to get caught up and want to be a fan-pleasing fighter, you know, listening to the masses, oh, they need to fight like this, or I don't want to see them

fight because all they do is run or all they do is fight like this, and they pity pat, they ain't got no power or this and I know. It's boxing. They win. All they got to do is keep winning. That's it. Well, look at Floyd later in his life. Like, Floyd later in his life fought so safe, but yet made so much money because he talked so much shit.

For sure. That people were spending money hoping he was going to lose. And he's not the first one that did that. Tyson. Yeah. Roy Jones Jr. Yeah. Muhammad Ali.

Yep. And I always, I said this when I was with Tarin. I said, Why is it only the black fighters that got to talk shit to sell? Well, in MMA, it's white fighters, too. Conner McGregor. No, no, no. Conner McGregory, you know, I say he one of us, you know,

because they was treated like black people over there where he from. You know, a lot of people don't know that. Oh, yeah, a lot of Irish slingers. You know, they was treated just like us. Sure. You know, I consider him one of us, you know, but at the same time, you know, know in boxing it's always the black fighters got to be the ones that step out and play this circus role and you know be the be the one to talk shit and have everybody hate them but the ones that

don't like Andre Ward Terrence Crawford Tim Bradley you know they're boring or they can't sell things like that is you judging me for what I say or what I do in the ring. Well, this is the difference with casuals versus people that really appreciate excellent boxing. I knock people out. Of course. That's what people want to see. They want to see action.

I'm going to give them action. But I think for casuals, they want to see a lot of shit talking too for some reason. They want to get emotionally wrapped up in your conflict with this other person. But they pick and choose. They do sometimes. Yeah, they do sometimes. But I mean, like, look, Tyson Fury talks. talks a lot of shit.

Oh, yeah. And obviously, one of the greatest of all time. You know, talked a lot of shit, sold a lot of tickets, you know, singing and shit. Yeah. After the fights, that guy's great. And his draws. And his draws in his cup. Legendary.

He's a legend. He's a legend. I mean, that guy. But he's from a different country. Sure. You know what I mean? So, you got to understand, like, he bringing those people over here. And they're going to support him when lose a draw.

Yep. You know, when we went over to the UK and we watched Ameri Khan fight Kelbrook, it was an electric fire. And those guys had losses, been both stopped and all that. You know, but those people came out to support like a motherfucker. Oh, yeah. And I left that arena like, God damn. And I wish I was, you know, from the UK, you know, like, because the way they support boxing. They don't look at all since you lost, you know, we're not going to support you.

They look at, no, these are warriors, and we're not going to stop supporting them because they lost. That's true. That is true about the U.K. America, they like, man, you got your ass, well, on to the next. You're a bum, you washed, you ain't as good as you said you was, or we thought you was, and it's just like they chew you up and spit you out, and it's like, God damn, you know how hard it is to stay at the top of a sport that, Everybody's gunning from you. Mm-hmm.

You know, that's shit hard. Yeah, that's the culture of America, though, right? It's a bit of a problem. Yeah. It disgusts me with fighting. It's not like that in the UFC, though. It is. Not so much.

There's plenty of, plenty of people. Well, the UFC, it's not as important to be on the- I'm about to say it's only, like, a couple of people in a UFC that was undefeated. Very few. You know, you got Khabib. You got, uh, John Joan. that one little loss. That's a bullshit loss.

Yeah, but everybody knows that was bullshit lost. My boy, Suhudo, he just finally lost with not too long. Well, he lost a bunch of times. He lost to Mighty Mouse early on, and he came back and beat Mighty Mouse to win his first title. But like, everybody else be having like five losses and stuff like that, and they'd be at the top of the top. You know, and everybody still support them. But don't nobody go, oh, he got fight losses, he's trash, he this, that. No, it's just.

That's true. Maybe it was off night. There's something to that because I think it's more difficult to not lose in MMA. There's just too many different styles. There's too many different approaches, too many variables. And it's also so difficult to not be hurt in training before you fight. When you're grappling, kicking legs, elbows, all that shit. Ju-jitsu.

You know, you're manipulating joints. There's so many. different things that can get fucked up. We think about all the things that get fucked up just with your hands, just boxing, shoulders, back, knees. Ribs. Ribs. Yeah. Neck. Yeah, neck.

Yeah. Yeah. And then add getting dumped on your head. Add, you know, getting need in the face. Add, getting your legs kicked. Knees buckled. Toes broke. Toes broke. Yeah. I mean, Pereira fought a world title fight with a broken toe. Yeah. Just came in and fought

with it and afterwards toes all fucked up and crooked the side and he like adjust it and pops it in the place yeah it's tough for them for combat sports you know and people don't know like I said they don't know what we go through we don't never walk in a a world class fight you know the same or 100% healthy like everybody just be like oh man I'm 100% no the fuck you're not it's not possible there's always going to be something that's bothering yeah if you're going to through a 10-week camp, how is it even possible to not have something? If they bullshit him, but it's going to show in the fight. Right, right.

It shows it a fight. But don't they, everybody always said, nobody says, I'm pretty fucked up going in this fight, but I'm hoping it works out. Nobody says that. Nobody said that. No. I mean, it's just, it's the game. When they talked about my shoulder, you know, before the Canello fight, I was just like,

I don't know, what shit? Tell them, hit me in both of my shoulders. It don't matter Like my shoulder is healed Like yeah How long did it take before it felt 100% again? After the fight Really?

Yeah Because I got it on Halloween Oh you got in October Yeah And then how many months did you have to recover? I fought September Whoa Okay

So that wasn't even a year Not even a year And when did you really start Training hard again after the surgery Probably April Okay That's a good amount of time Yeah

People don't realize like shoulders It's such a complicated joint There's all this different movement And it still wasn't like Like 100% after I fought Because you didn't have your strength All the way back to it

Even after you fought Yeah like it wasn't 100% So it wasn't 100% in the fight Mm-mm Mm-mm That's I always tell people like, if you watch my jab and my hook in the Canello fight, then watch my jab and my hook, my prior fights, you know, and Mademoff and Spence,

you'll see the difference. Really? You know, but the blind eye wouldn't even notice it. Right. You know, they would just be like, oh. But then when they look. Yeah. But then when they know, they be like, it wasn't as snappy.

It wasn't as hard. You know, you kind of was. It was just, like, landing out there. So that's just a little key, little things. But now it's 100%? Oh, yeah, it's good now. Wow. And the left one doesn't bother you, really?

The left one, it bothered me when it's overused. Mm-hmm. You know, but, like, in a fight, no, I don't think none of that shit bother me. Do you have any plans to come back and down? No, no. Can we get you back in town and get you some steps? You know the only time I ever came to. You know the only time I ever came here was this podcast.

Never ever been here in my life. Really? Oh, it's a great city. Yeah. Julie always talked about it. So many good restaurants. So many good places. She took me to the college and all that and, you know,

reminiscing because she went to college here and she just love it here. So she's like, this is the bars that we went to. This is this. This is. I said, oh, Julie, you're your happy place. She was like, I just love here. Well, why not move here? It's a great town.

I love it to death. But if you want to come back, I would love to get you set up, get your shoulder taken care of. Yeah. It'll change your life. Stem cell is wild, man. It's crazy what it could do. Yeah. Just regenerates tissue.

Everything heals. Like, within, like, weeks you start feeling better. You're like, God. Yeah. Everything just feels looser. For sure. I've had so many friends that were, like, on the verge of getting surgery. Like, I don't know, doctor says I need surgery.

Get stem cells. Everything's good. Mm-hmm. I had a full-length rotator cuff tear. I went to the doctor six months after the stem cells. He's like, this is the craziest thing I've ever seen. He's like, that tear doesn't even exist anymore. It's gone.

Completely healed. It's crazy. Like, stem cells are nuts, man. And they're getting better at it all the time. Like, it's just pharmaceutical drug companies fucking hate it. Surgeons hate it. Like, doctors hate it because it's going to cost the money. Yeah, it's going to take away that money.

Yeah, there's a bunch of people that are going to get treated with stem cells that don't need surgery. Right. And afterwards, they're like, oh, I'm good. Because the doctor's like, when all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. And these doctors, the way they make their money is cutting you. And they all want to cut you. And it's amazing how many different, especially soft tissue injuries, how many different injuries you can heal with stem cells.

It's pretty remarkable. My doctors try to avoid cutting me. Did it? Well, that's good. So they waited all the way to... That's a good doctor. You know? That's a good doctor.

Until it was like, we got to. Mm-hmm. That's after the Madrimov fight, right? Yeah. Well, I love to get you back in here because I really think they could help that. For sure. Yeah, especially you got your whole life ahead of you now.

You don't want, you know, you don't want that bothering you. I'm fucking with you. You'd be able to do whatever you want. And especially now because you're not training hard, ooh, it'll heal good. Yeah. It'll heal. Because that's the problem.

A lot of guys, they get the, stem cells and they go back to training in a few weeks and they kind of it's not 100% healed and they tweak it a little bit and you know but now if you're not training at all this is the perfect time to do something like that yeah so what is your plans now now that you're on top of the world man you did it what does it feel like it feel like it's supposed to it's supposed to it's supposed to like a lot of people they ask me they say man how it feel like how it's it's How's the retired life? I'm like the same.

Like nothing in my life has changed, but the people everywhere else congratulating me and things like that. But like far as like my living, you know, aspect of my life is just the same. Like when I'm fighting, training, you know, I'm focused on the fight. But after that, it's like my kids, you know,

the gym, things like that. Do you have any interest in doing commentary at all? Because I think you would be great at that. I don't, I'd be chilling. I don't be like in the media talking. You don't even have to be in the media. I'd be avoiding the media. I'd be avoiding the, you know how like some people,

like they want to be all up in the limelight and things like that. Yeah. I'd just be, I'd be avoiding. And they'd be like, 10, can we get anything? I don't know right now. I don't want to talk. Yeah. You know.

Well, I appreciate you coming in here. Oh, yeah, for sure. You know, but a lot of people ask me that, do you want to be like all the other fighters and be a commentary, you know? Nah. Good for you. I'll be cool. Good for you. That's going to help you so much.

It's going to help you so much because it's the people that crave that limelight when it all goes away. Then they're like, well, who am I? I thought I was special. I thought I was special. You know, I want to be the guy when, oh, he's here, he's here. You know, they want to be constantly in the limelight, showing up at red carpets, all that. I avoid all that shit, too. I don't want to have nothing to do with that.

I know who I am, you know, internally. You know, so can't nobody, you know, tell me who Terrence Crawford is. So I'm happy in my own skin, always been happy into my own skin. And I believe that's how I got to the point where I'm at now. You know, when nobody believed in me, I didn't listen to them because I knew who I was all along. When people told me I was a bad businessman, okay, look at me now. You know, when people told me what I should have did and what I shouldn't have done and I did what I wanted to do, look at me now. So now it's like, everybody like, man, this dude was new all along.

And it's like, yeah, because I'm not a follower. I'm not going to listen to people that's never done anything in their life and never took no chances or no risk to tell me what I can and what I can't do. So I'm happy in my own skin. I'm happy, you know, whether they chant in my name or whether they're not, as long as my family love me and my family there and they good, they well taken care of, then that's the only thing that makes me happy. That's beautiful.

I hope young fighters that are inspired by you take that example. I hope they take that mindset and try to adopt it as their own. I really do. I really do because there's so many young fighters that just can't wait to be that person in the limelight. Can't wait to be that person living flashy in front of everybody. And it's a foolish adventure. It's temporary. It's temporary.

And they don't understand that. Like, they only change your name for a moment, you know. It's very temporary, you know, and they'll turn on you in the heartbeat. You know, just do something crazy or lose a match that you're supposed to lose or be up against one of your rivals and you lose, and then everybody's going to turn it back on you. 100%. You know, and you're going to be sitting there lost. Look at Bronner.

When he was at the top of the top, everybody was there. He had everybody in this corner Now he had his lowest Now they're making fun of them Now they're taking pictures And you know He makes fun of himself too though Yeah he do but he's suffering

Yes You know and I hit some up And I try to encourage them And I send him messages And I You know And you got to be there for people When they're at their lowest

That's great He was a very talented guy But again That's what you said Like he's a guy Who really got caught up in it. That's a perfect example.

What's Gervante doing now? Is he on the run? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know about that guy. I think he's on the run. At least he was, like, recently. That's unfortunate.

He's so fucking talented. He's such an unusual style, too, you know? Very economical, throws very few punches. But when he does, it's boom. Explosive. Super, super explosive. I mean, this is a great time for boxing, though. It really is. It's an exciting time for boxing. There's a lot of stars right now, you know. And they fight in each other. That's the most important thing that I can say is the fights is being made. Whether you on this side or that side, the fights has been made, the promoters is working together within each other. So no matter of you.

attribute that to you think that's Riyadh season is the facilities yeah of course yeah turkey came and changed up the game you know he he he he went to the fighters you know hey I got this I got this we want this fight to happen and the fighters like whoa we know we're not going to get this and nothing nobody would have never seen no be-vall better be if right that fight would have It never happened. Them promoters are not going to pay that money. You know, there are so many fights out there that the promoters would have never paid for. Top rank would have never paid the money that Turkey paid to see Shakur and T.O. fight.

Right. You know, so we got so many fights because of him. And we need to be appreciative of them because without him, none of those fights would have happened. 100%. The Canello fight wouldn't happen for me. the Magimaw fight wanted to happen for me. And so many more. Absolutely.

I think that's very exciting. But that's what the sport needed. Yeah. Needed someone to come in with deep pockets that just said, let's make these fights happen. And I think that's why, you know, boxing is on a rise right now. People is talking about boxing more.

People is more supportive about boxing now. And people is tuning to not only re-outers, season shows, but all shows, look at Clarissa. Yep. She just put on a hell of a performance. Hell of a performance. And it was rocking in that. Yeah.

It was crazy. It was sold out over 16,000 people as a woman. I know, right? Man, she's doing her thing. And people don't give women enough credit. Like, she's bringing out stars, you know. And, man, it was a good atmosphere in there. Yeah.

And it was a very skillful. fight. Yeah, they came to bang. I said y'all came out of there fighting like cats and dogs in that first round. But she could see it in her face. She wanted to knock out so bad. Oh yeah. She's a dog. She's ferocious. Yeah. And so skillful too. You know, but it's she's a unique individual star in a, you know, a realm where there's not a lot of women stars. Yeah. It's like, but I think a person like her, can encourage others. Yeah. And it could be more.

And when you have one star, a lot of times it does sort of open up the landscape for more. For sure. For sure. Because she... She transcends. Yeah. She transcends boxing. Like a lot of people know who Cloressa Shields is.

A lot of people know who she is outside of boxing. And there's not a lot of other female boxers you could say that about. You know, there's only been a few ever, like Christy Martin. Lelah Lee Lalee. Lalee. Anne Wolf. Yeah. And Wolf was good.

Yeah. Wolf, who that would crack. She was a ferocious trainer, too. Remember she was training Kirkland? Yes. Bro. With the bag on the back of the truck. Oh, man.

She'd make him go through hell. But when he was with her, he was phenomenal. When he undefeated with her? I think he was undefeated with her. And she wasn't with him when he fought Canello, unfortunately. A couple of fights on, I think she was going on. Well, I think it was too much. It was too hard.

He didn't want to do it She's a tough lady, man She'd put you through so fucking hell Her training, like there's some videos of her Putting Kirkland through training camp And it's like, my God And for a woman to be able to do that You know, it just shows you how impressive she was

How special she was But his performances showed as well Yes You know? Because she was getting in his mind as well as physical Yes You know And taking a number

everything from them and putting them in the room and now his training it was kind of like rocky you know you ain't got no tv all you know is work eat sleep yeah boxing yeah and it's just like damn i got into uh old uh boxing footage real recently over the last like six months i've been watching a lot of old camps and there's some great youtube channels that are shows haggler's camps and hagglers camps were phenomenal it was so good like haggs or was rich, and he would go to Provincetown, this shitty little fucking town on the Cape. No disrespect, Provincetown.

I'm just saying, and compared to where he could be, he could be in New York City. He could be anywhere he wanted. But he would go to this small town in the middle of fucking nowhere and run on the beach and live in a room with no TV, no nothing, just eat, sleep, train.

He was sparring 100 rounds a week. I mean, it was wild. Watching him train was incredible. It was incredible. And when he would get into that ring, there was no stone unturned. No stone unturned. And it was just all discipline and drive and focus. And he was another guy.

Didn't get his due, didn't get his due until he stopped, really until he stopped hernes. That's when people really woke up. You know, all the inside boxing people were very aware. But it took a while. It took a while before the rest of the world caught up. Because it wasn't flash you. Yeah. She just dominate.

Just break people's wills. The Mugabe fight to this day is one of my favorite fights of all time. Because Mugabe was putting people in the hospital. That was tough. Oh, my God. Mugabe hit so fucking hard. But that was the other thing about Hager, man, had a chin from hell. You know, Hagler had extraordinary mandible muscles that, like they did a cat scan on him, like a scan

of his head. They said the muscles on the side of his head is like he was born with headgear. Or he developed it just from biting down on a mouthpiece for so long. Yeah, just, ah. Yeah, just, ah. But I love watching those old school training footage videos. Like, there's some great ones of Sugar A. Robinson running in the mountains and hitting the bag and training and all the calisthenics that he had to do. I think more people should see stuff like that just to appreciate the amount of discipline and work that it takes to get into peak.

for a fight because I just don't think they understand what your mind has to go through to get up for that every day over and over and over and over and over until you're finally in the ring like the ring is almost the easy part easiest it's tough it's like you know when when we in Colorado and we got to run the mountain like sometimes I'd be like man I ain't running this on the mountain like I don't care like And then it'd be like, you're gonna get your ass, well, you better get your ass up. Or a boy will come in there and be like, let's go. I'm like, man, boy, let's go. I don't, I don't. Bo got the same. Anytime I'm giving them some push,

he'd be like, I'm not about to argue with you for you to be great. Let's go. I'm like, that's great to have someone with you. Hey, right. I'm like, here we go. He's been with you from the beginning? From the start.

That's so big, too. And it's crazy because, the days that I don't want to do nothing is the craziest days that I do the best you know and because you conquered that inner bitch that thing inside you that wants to not do it yeah Stephen said I'm the fucking man

yeah Stephen be like he was like when you don't want to do something it's like you're trying to hurry up and get it over with so you're trying to do it fast so like my best times is when I don't want to do it like my best sparring is when I don't want to spar

because it's like I'm like all right I'm going to fuck you up because I ain't about to play with you I ain't about to go in here doing all this extra shit you know

I don't want to get hit you know so it's like your best days is when you don't want to do it yeah you know that's when I

perform the best in the gym and stuff like that so yeah man a lot of a lot of young fighters when they come and see my training

they see what I go through three times a day so it's eat sleep shit work. You know, they like, man, you train too hard. I'm like, ain't no such thing. You know? Tim Bradley told me, hey, man, you got to rest.

You got to chill out. Andre Ward, man, you got to rest. You know, and these last two training camps, I took on their advice and took it just a day off, like in a week. Like, every week, instead of training. seven days a week I take one day off

just not doing nothing and it helped me tremendously on my recovery really? Because I used to just do active rest on Sunday we'll do the incline we'll just do the incline

that's it in the morning early in the morning and then we have the whole day to recover but he's like no you got to just take the whole day off not doing nothing and just recover

and as you get as I got older, you know, my last two training camps, I took that advice and it's just like, man, I'm like, man, I could have did this years ago. I was just so, like, locked in, like, if I take a day off, they don't have a day up on me, you know? And I was just like, I can't do that. I was just working.

Well, it's a fine line where there's a point of diminishing returns where you put in too much work. Like seeing a guy fight when he's overtrained is one of the saddest things ever. It's like his drive actually fucked him. Yeah. I've seen it before. In MMA, it happens all the time. Especially guys who don't use heart rate monitors.

Don't monitor their resting heart rate when they get up in the morning. I use that my last two camps. Yeah? And that was the only two camps he did that? My last two camps. Wow. Interesting. Interesting.

So like everything was visual with my coaches because they've been with me so. long. Right. So they know when to pull back. Right. Some days they'll be like, all right, you know. You're peaking. You did four rounds? Nah, we're done. Like, man, I got eight rounds today. Ah, you good. But like, what? You're good. Don't worry about it. We'll come back tomorrow. You know, and I'll be like, all right, you know, I will never question them. Right. You know, or we come in there and they'd be like, all right, today we're going,

we're going to shout out box and we're going to hit the midst. But I never questioned them, but they already knew by watching me. me, you know, along the weeks to pull me back when to pull me. Then it started getting, you know, to me. And I'm like, oh, okay. So now I know that. Like, they're not going to let me over train because they know I'm going to give it my all every time I train and anything I do.

So they just pull me back. Like, all right, well, we're going to just do yoga today and we're going to do boxing work. We ain't going to do no, you know, strength condition, or we're not going to do no road work or we're not going to, or we just going to swim. we're not instead of running we're going to swim you know so some days they're flip-flop that's the beauty of having a really good trainer yeah for sure and someone is really paying attention to you and real and knows you like knows the signs knows when you're a little sluggish knows when you're peeking a little early yeah yeah poor you bet yeah and anybody said that you train too hard it's like

compared to who compared to who you know like it's whether or not you've built your body up to the point where you're doing that for so many years that your body's conditioned to go that hard. You know, because there's people that used to say that if you run a marathon, like you need like six months off. I had a friend who was my friend Cameron Haynes, he runs ultra marathons. When he was training for a 250-mile run, he was running a marathon every day. Every day. Most people, the conventional wisdom was you can't do that.

Yeah, you can. You just got to get up to that. So if a fighter is slacking off in between camps and getting feds. fat and drinking and fucking off, and then they get back into camp. Yeah, you can't do three hard a day like that. Yeah. But if you're already in shape and you're already conditioned and you have built up this base of years and years in doing this,

your conditioning will be so much better. One of the things that I notice in young fighters in particular, especially in MMA, is how tired they get in a three-round fight. Just a three-round MMA fight, how tired they get. And I'm sure they train hard, but they don't train as hard. as these guys who don't get tired in a five-round fight. So what is the difference? Well, it's the years and years of building up that cardio base,

not fucking up your body, not partying. Knowing how to breathe. Uh-huh. That's the most important. Being efficient. Yeah. Because when I, my first time at the UFC, when I did Strength and Condition, you know,

I was like, man, I'm not getting nothing out of it. It's easy. And it was like, well, it's not meant. to break you or kill you, you're gonna see the difference. And I'm just like, man, when I'm, when I'm doing UFC back at home, like, I'm sore. Like, I'm not sore, you know, the next day when I'm doing strength condition here.

But like, gradually, you start seeing the results. Right. You know, and it's like, damn, you know? And it's a science behind it. Yes. You know, and I was just like, in my mind, I'm like, man, I'm not working hard enough because I'm used to working hard and I'm going home and I'm like, oh, that was a good workout. I feel it.

Psychologically, I'm like, I don't feel like I did nothing, you know, because my body is in so shape. You know, I'm like, man, I need to do more. And they're like, you good. You did a lot today. You know, I'm like, all right. So, like, gradually I'm starting to see the effects. You know, I'm like, oh, okay. So maybe he was working me out too hard.

You know, and I'm getting stronger and everything. I'm just like, okay, you know, it's all a science. It really is a science. And, you know, the problem with fighters is, especially elite fighters, is they're so driven, you know, and sometimes you can't let the dragon off the chain. You know, like, slow down. Yeah, slow down.

You got to do this. We've got to progress. Yes. Progress over time. And get to that perfect point. The week before the fight, where you just settle in and then fight time. That's my guy Gavin. Gavin just like, oh, don't worry.

We steps. That's the beautiful thing about having someone that you can trust that really knows what they're doing. And, you know, there's a lot of young fighters that are just all gas, no breaks, and they might be costing themselves a little bit. But then there's a lot of lazy fighters like, yeah, I don't want to overtrain. Yeah. Like, no, no, no, you're under-training. That's why you get tired all the time.

You're not in good enough shape to be doing a... proper workout that you need to do to really prepare for a fight. It says this fucking dance, man. It takes forever to learn. It takes forever. You know, that's why, like, a lot of fighters, they reach their prime when they get into their 30s. Because they get it all dialed in. They know what they need.

They know what they need to do. They know what a camp really feels like. They prepare for it. Benard, the experience. Yeah. You know, so, yeah, they definitely know. know their body, they know when they're in shape, when they're out of shape, what they need, when they need a little more.

Experience is the best teacher, I would say. Well, experience and then listening to people like you, that's a big factor. Listening to people that have done it all and, you know, and that wisdom, the just the things that you've said on this podcast today, I guarantee you right now, there are hundreds of thousands of fucking future fighters. are listening to this right now and that are probably like taking it all in. Okay, because, you know, in the early days,

you don't know what the fuck to do. You don't know what? What's the right approach? Is his approach? Is his approach? Like, what's the right mentality? What's the right mindset? Who are the right coaches?

Which is a big factor. You get a bad coach and get stuck with a bad coach and it'll limit your development. Yeah, for sure. For sure. And that goes back to styles when I said,

I was trying to coach everybody to the same style when everybody ain't meant to be trained the same. Everybody don't have the same, you know, mental capacity to process things the same way. Some people process things different. That's kind of like yelling at a fighter. You know, that motivated me. Sometimes that break fighters, they're like,

ha-ha, I'm getting you with that, I'm doing something wrong. And, you know, so we look at them like, man toughen up, you know, but nowadays it's different.

Like, everything don't flock the same with one fighter like a dude the same. No, you gotta figure out

what, what gets your fighter going. Yeah. Yeah. And that's another interesting dance. I don't envy those people

because your livelihood depends upon another person performing, which is kind of crazy. It's a crazy way to live your life. That's any sports.

Yep. Like I always say, sometimes I blame the coaches, but for the most part, the players and the fighters and the athletes, they got to go out there and perform. I can tell you go out there and do this, but if you don't go do it, then that's on you. Now, coaches, they can get out-coached. They can call the wrong plays at the wrong times, different like that. But all in all, if he go out there and miss a tackle, if he go out there and not catch the ball, why don't? am I getting fired? They're going to blame me.

You know what I mean? So, hey, I can't make him hit the three. I can't make him, you know, D up. So I'm getting fired because they're not performing. You're also getting fired by people that don't totally understand all the subtle nuances of what you do if you're a coach. Yeah. Like if they're not a coach, how could you really understand?

If you're not day in, day out with these athletes in their head, working with them, seeing what they're doing, improving upon their strengths, strengthening their weaknesses. If you're not doing that, you just are seeing results. That's all you say. You're judging based on results.

And you don't really know who's a good coach and who's not. Because if you're a good coach, you've got shit athletes. Yeah. You can only go so far. That's it. And it's tough. Yeah. It's tough to, you know,

go across the middle and try to catch a bullet. When you know the safety about to come in later, the crazy slap on you. Yep. You know, and it's crazy to go up, you know, on a seven-footer trying to shoot a three. Like, it's hard at a professional level to do what these athletes is doing, but they're making it seem like it's easy on the outside for us. And we're like, man, you didn't catch the ball.

It's like, man, you try to catch that ball with three people, you know what I mean, on you, you know, coming full speed. And you got to worry about getting your feet in bounds and things like that. It's so much. Well, it's like TIFI's Corner during the secure fight. You got to hit him. You got to hit him. Like, what do you think I'm trying to do?

Tell me how to hit him. Tell me how to set up to him. Don't just tell me you got to hit him. You know, and that goes into saying that everybody shouldn't be a coach. Right. You know, because now you're not giving me and no instructions. You're going off of emotions. And you're just telling me,

hey, you gotta hit him. You're not hitting him. What are you doing? Yeah. Now, what if Tio would have said, what is you doing? Because you're not telling me nothing. You see me trying to hit him,

but he's moving. You know? Like, what are supposed to do? I'm swinging and I'm missing. Right. So tell me how to set it up to him. But there's really nothing anybody could have told him.

Yeah. The gap was just too wide at that point. Right. Yeah. They should have studied more in training, but even then, it's like the problem is years. It's years of advancement. It's years of intelligent boxing.

It's years of setups. It's years of skills. I think when a fighter have a good coach that's knowledgeable, and they believe in a coach, and they coach asks them to do something, and they believe that that's going to work, they'll try it. You know, if your coach tell you, All right, listen, he's stepping back every time you step in.

So that means for every time he stepped back, you got to step in twice and double the jab and close the distance and let your hands go when you get in range. And that fighter go out there and do what the coach asks him to do, and he's successful, then that's a different ballgame. That's a different ballgame. Because now you listen into your coach, but your coach is seeing what the other fighter is doing

that's making him be more successful. Technical instruction. There you go. You can't just go go out there and hit them Tell me how to tip I hear that shit in the corner I'm like good Lord what are you saying Yeah

You hear it in MMA all the time You gotta put it on them Oh oh I didn't know Oh I gotta put it on him All this time I was hoping it would just happen Yeah Yeah Well listen man congratulations on everything

You had a fantastic spectacular Like one of a generation career So it's beautiful to watch. And as a fan, I'm honored that you came in here. And I think what you've done is just fucking incredible. So congratulations on everything. And enjoy it.

Enjoy it. Enjoy all the rest of your life because you earned it all. Definitely. Thank you very much. Bye, everybody.