The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #182 - Protect Ya Neck

Episode Date: July 9, 2026

Joe is joined by mixed martial artists John Rallo, Matt Serra, and Din Thomas. John Rallo owns Shogun Fights and is the owner and head coach of Ground Control Mixed Martial Arts Academy.www.groundcontrolbaltimore.comwww.shogunfights.com Matt Serra is a mixed martial artist and host of "UFC Unfiltered" with Jim Norton and "Geeking Out with Matt Serra." He is the owner and an instructor at Serra BJJ.www.youtube.com/@MattSerraBJJwww.serrabjjacademy.com Din Thomas is a mixed martial arts analyst, actor, and host of "Din Thomas' Fight Court."www.youtube.com/@FightCourt Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. Don’t miss out on all the action this week at DraftKings! Download the DraftKings app today! Sign-up using https://dkng.co/rogan or through my promo code ROGAN. Get watch party snacks and groceries on Uber Eats. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Joe Rogan podcast, checking out. The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. Hey, we're back. So your boy Tommy, it was awesome. He was great. He was really cool. Yeah, I actually listened on the way out to that one.

He's really fun. Tommy Lee's fun. He's like a big kid, man. He is. Kid. Yeah, like a 15-year-old that just never, you know, had to grow up. Because he didn't have to. Well, he got famous when he was 18.

Exactly. So he really never had to grow up. He just stayed Tommy Lee. Yeah, I'm glad you finally got to, uh, have him on. It was very cool. So it was good. It's weird that he's really in a bonsai trees. Oh, big time. Crazy. He trims him up. It's got like a hundred

year old yard. Where do you even find them at? His You make them yourself. His yard he sets up like a whole like Zen Garden type of thing. It's pretty wild. But he's he's been into those and he likes to trim them up and you know it's pretty pretty wild. He's just he's a positive energy, nice

guy like he's never never been in my, you know what do you want to say? Interactions with him never. He's never been a dick. No, he's never. He seemed cool. He was cool to work for. Well, I only worked, I met him rather when you were working with him, when you were his bodyguard, and then this is the other time I met him.

So he's super cool. Nice, good. I remember him. In the cars. In the car. In the car. It's because I remember that. Peckers as tall as you are.

I remember him with his fucking huge dick with Pamela Anderson. He's got a lot of advantages in this life, doesn't he? Good Lord. Good Lord. God damn. The same person. And one of the greatest drummers of all time. That was one of the first sex tapes.

Oh, yeah, that was probably the first. Yeah, for sure. For celebrities, actual celebrities. They allowed them to get famous afterwards. Well, they were already famous. That was why it was crazy. Twetwack got so big. Both of them were super famous.

But I mean, allow to keep to catapult them into like a different stratosphere. Right. Well, anytime one of them celebrities is dating another celebrity, it's like their fucking superpowers unite. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They get that old stuff. He was with Heather Locklear, too, right? Right?

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I mean, who's a fun dude? The trees thing is wild, though. I didn't know that these people, they have like 100-year-old trees, 200-year-old tree, 300-year-old bonsai trees, and they pass them down through generations and they have, like, paperwork, so you know, like, who's the guy who first started the tree? And they've got these trees that are, like, several hundred years old, and they're, like, this big. And they're in, like, a pot.

And what are you supposed to do with that? It's all, like, an artistic thing there, a tree. They're trimming them in certain patterns, and every time they try to grow, you trim them down and they just, like, tighten up, and it makes a weird form. Yeah, it comes out. It's very strange. They're pretty cool looking, actually. I wonder if the tree likes it, though. I'm like, hey, motherfucker.

I'm trying to grow. I'm 300 years old. I'm 16 inches tall. This is retarded. I think for him, though, he's had such a crazy, high-paced life. That is the yin to the yang, you know what I mean? That's how he relaxes. I loved hearing it.

It sounded perfect. I was like, oh, you found a great thing. And you see he's a gearhead, too, like you. So you guys had a little bonding on the cars. First cars he bought. He bought an old Corvette. He got a fucking supercharger put on it. Yeah.

He's a maniac. He's definitely a maniac. But he's a very nice, I mean, very great dude. Oh, yeah. The guy was the drummer from Motley Crew. I can't even at 18. I can't even imagine what that must have been like. Must have been insane.

A lot of these. Guys, they don't want to stop touring all these rock and roll stuff. Why would they want to? It's so fun. But some of them maybe you should, though. Some of them. Some of them, I saw some clips. Who the fuck was?

David Lee Roth? No, I think it was the guy from ACDC. Brian Johnson. I don't know if it wasn't that great. Yeah, it's bad. It's pretty bad. Dude, ACDC is one of my favorite all-time bands and Brian Johnson's struggling. I mean, but that screaming style he has, it's hard to keep that going.

How do you keep that going? Like, no acting or vocal coach. would ever tell you you could sing like that. I don't think so. You just can't sing like that. You can't fucking scream like that. I wonder if they get like 60-year-old groupies. 100%.

Really? 60-year-old groupies. Feeding that. Oh, my God. They've been keeping that flame lit since the 80s. Of course. But do they have like new groupies, though? Of course.

Of course. You know, there's no way they know. Like, doesn't, what's this? What is his name? Jesus Christ. What? Rolling Stones? I forget what I was on.

Mick Jagger? Well, I know Mick Jagger has a kid that's really young. Like, Mick Jagger just had a kid like really recently. Really? Yeah. He's like, in his 80s. I was thinking of someone else, though. Someone else is another, oh, there's a bunch of guys like that.

Like Al Pacino just like. Oh, yeah, that's true. Yeah, true. But a lot of older guys like that, they wind up having kids. Like, they're still obviously getting young chicks to fuck them. It's kind of irresponsible, though. It's crazy. I mean, how many a kid at 80 is crazy?

You hope he's going to take care of a kid, but maybe it's the young chick that wants the kid. Of course, but it's still, if you did it on purpose, if you're the guy and you did it on purpose, that's wild. I don't even want to be around. I'm just going to have this kid at 80. It's more important than my jeans pass on than I be there for my child. Think about that. By the time you're 85, you're probably gone. Yeah.

Yeah, by the time you're 85. Yeah, you won't even see your kid go to school. You'll be five years old. You know, the kid will be five years old and the dad dies. Maybe the, maybe the wife wanted it. Well, sure. You know, you leave something behind type of thing. Look, maybe it's better than not doing it.

Maybe. But also, if you're a fucking rational 80-year-old, like, bro, you barely have time to take care of yourself. You can't even keep your own shit in your pants. You're going to raise a kid. You're going to change your diapers. You're going to take the kid to the park and run around? The kid's diapers and yours. Bro, you're going to break a hip and your toddler is going to be screaming and no one will hear it.

Right. And you're going to be alone with them at the park. You're lying there bleeding internally from a broken hip. And the kid's going to walk off. Five years old year. Three-year-old wander off in your 80. That's your nuts. Oh, yeah.

By the way, Longo, you got him upset because he's like, man, I've been feeling good. He's like, you know, I'm at the gym every day. And I go fucking, I turn on Rogo. and he's bitching about being 58. I'm like, what the fuck? He's 68. Oh. So he's basically like, he's like, what the fuck?

He's complaining about being 58. Ray's really 68. He looks great. He looks great. He looks real good. He looks great. He's got dark-ass hair. Right?

I know, right? He don't have a red-go-hear. Ronald Reagan hair. He's looking. He's looking good. That's great. And then he asked me about a, what the fuck did he ask me? I love him.

Because Ronald Reagan had dark hair like deep into like his 70s. My shit is all white. If I grew my, if I had hair and I grew it out, it would be all gray. Really? Yeah, mostly. It's like my face. Like my feel like my stubble, it's like at least 60% gray. Yeah, mine is all gray now.

Yeah. It's weird. Like something about a gray beard that's like, you're just saying, fuck it. Yeah, that's why I just started trimming it down. I was like, yo, this is ridiculous. Yeah, I don't like the way it looked. When I see myself in the mirror with a gray beard, I'm like, who the fuck are you? Yeah.

You're supposed to have a dark beard. For sure. I had a dark beard. most of my life. I'm looking at pictures and I'm like a couple years ago and it's dark

now it's all gray like what the fuck happens? They had a thing on A&E with me and George and they had a short a clip

of me and you talking I still we both had hair and fucking yeah crazy it looked crazy

it's weird you look you look you're just slowly slipping into the grave we're looking good though

compared to a lot of fucking yes compared to people that don't take care of themselves and also compared to people from the past. Oh, that's what I'm saying. Yes.

Yes, yes, yes. They didn't have vitamin. You know. Don't watch. Life therapy. But think about like in the 80s, what 40-year-olds look like in the 80s.

Right. Yeah, they was funny. And I think the, like, martial arts also helps. Like, we just had an event, Henzo's 30th anniversary for his academy in the U.S. Yeah, that was great.

And they invited all the OGs. So, you know, we were, I've seen guys I hadn't seen in decades. Got a fifth degree? But yeah, I got a sixth degree. Thank you. Congratulations. That's amazing.

And I mean, we were talking like almost everybody looked good. Everybody looked good. Everybody. That's awesome. Well, if you continue to train. 60 guys there. The thing is that you got to maintain and if you don't maintain you're never getting it back. You don't, you can't, like at 50, you can't take three years off.

Right, right, right. It's just too hard to get back. And if you never worked out before and you're like 46 and you're starting now, it's tough. That's a hard. road, man. You never worked out before. Like, first of all, go slow. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

You got to break everything. Well, that's the problem. People want to jump right in, and then you get hurt or get busted up a little bit, and then it just defeats, you know what I mean? You're like, fuck this. Which is the big reality. Not get injured. The big reality about age is how long it takes to heal something.

Yeah, definitely. My kids get hurt. They just fucking heal up like Wolverine. It's nuts. Like, with a few days. Oh, my shoulder's fine again. Like, you fucking just did a backflip and laid it on your shoulder. You're all right?

I would be fucked up for a year. They just heal quicker. They're alive. I mean, it's the fucking truth. That's the truth, man. That's the number one thing that happens as you get older. If you're lifers like us, you just got to be smart about your training. 100%.

You know, I got young savages. I don't want to fucking, I choose who I want to roll away. Like, you know what I mean? Sure. You don't got to be that guy to fucking just slay everybody on the mat there because you're the sense of it. You're going to break. You'll break. You know, it's like you have a corvette and you take it around.

the track, you can only do so many laps. Every car, even Formula One cars that cost $100 million, they break. You can only go so far, so fast, so long before you blow a rod. Some shit goes sideways. Everybody I know has had surgery.

Everybody. Everybody. Like, for me, like, when I'm in Philly with the crew, Brady and Piper and them, like, it's hard being in a room with these guys because they want to grab you and do moves on you. I'm like, oh, chill out, man. Let's grab one of the younger guys. Bro, the last guy you want grabbing you is Brady.

Yeah. Jesus. Christ, Christ, that guy's guy. He gets on top of you and just starts squeezing you. Willa gripp. That fucking fight with Joaquin Buckley, I was like, holy shit, man. Yeah, he ragged off. Yeah.

Bro, it was the level of domination was, like, shocking. I was like, okay, so this is his best form. Like, this is him at his best. At his best is fucking terrible. He's a little inconsistent. Like, the Morales fight was tough. and he said his head wasn't in it

but when his fucking head is in it and he's like dialed in for sure man he's like when he grabs you bro like he'll squeeze you and you just start making like a little noise like when he did a Leon and what he did to Joaquin

you're like holy shit man what is that like that's beautiful as explosive an athlete as the flow like everywhere they went he was just following him one step ahead

it was like no escape yeah he don't want you out man And smush. Just smush. His back is so big, he just gets so much coverage over you when he's on top of you. And the balance, it's just every, it's just like so many steps ahead of them on the ground. The one time, it really looked like a cardio drill. Like he was on top.

Like he was just, it would look like he was just getting his room. Like placid face, super calm. I believe where they were, he wasn't allowed to do to 12 to 6 elbows. Oh, that's so crazy. That's where, right or wrong? Something like that. I think Jersey's still like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

There's a lot of places that are like that, man. It's so dumb. That are still using the old unified rules. It's so dumb. Like that rule doesn't make any sense. It would be nice if they would just... If it's, you know, soccer kicks. Okay, you want to have a debate?

But if you can elbow this way and this way and this way, but you can't go this way, that's just retarded. And everybody else is doing it. So why would you not do it? It doesn't make sense. And you have to remember what state you're in. That's the problem. So like when you're in the fight and you're on instinct and the guys like this, you're

but it's wide open for a 12-6 elbow. You're supposed to throw it. That's what it's for. For safety's sake, and the fighters and the referee's ability to make a decision have consistency in the rule set. It's just another elbow.

It doesn't make any sense. Like, this one elbow that's outlaw, that's crazy. Right. I don't know. But you can knee the hell out of somebody in their face. You can jump.

You can run and jump and knee them in the face. Oh, God. And some of the craziest knockouts we've ever seen come from that. Big time. We were just talking about Mazvedal versus Ascran the other way. Oh, man.

Hey, he's supposed to be wrestling again. Oh, but how? Is that real? Is that a good idea? No. I saw him talking the other day. Yeah, I wake me out when I heard that. When he was talking, he was coughing a lot.

And I'm like, listen, when you're people who are athletes, they're afraid of wrestling because it's exhausting. They don't want to feel that burn in their lungs. You really want to push yourself like that? I worry about it. I just don't want him to get fucked up. I mean, he had double lung transplant surgery, like, how long ago? I was like a year ago.

A year ago? Maybe two years ago. Maybe two years ago. I'd be worried even just about infection. Yeah. I'd be worried about everything. And I would also be worried if you're doing that, I think you have to take immunosuppressant drugs in order to keep someone else's organs inside of you.

So you're going to go out to a giant crowd of people. So my friend, CT Fletcher. You know C.T. Fletcher? Yeah, yeah. C.T. had a heart transplant, and he has to take medication to keep this heart in his body, keep his body from rejecting it. And he has a bunch of complications from the medication, like, makes him swell, and he posts videos and pictures about it.

Like, it's a serious thing. And he had to be real careful during COVID. Like, you have a heart transplant, and then you're on immunosuppressant drugs, and then all a sudden, or a bad flu. Yeah. Like, anything bad will fucking kill you, because your immune system is working in a weird way. because it's trying to keep someone else's heart inside of you. Yeah, your body's like, who's this fucking heart?

Right, this is not our heart. Get it out. Your body's like, this is a disease. Which is wild that your body knows. Yeah. Like, it recognizes that it's from another interest. And we're just like, no, we can hack nature, shove it in there and give you some drugs that make your body stay alive. I think it was below Muhammad.

Yeah, it's below Muhammad. Maybe he has like an agreement. Like, hey, listen, man. Didn't they used to train together, right? They did use the train together. So they're friends, maybe that's the deal. Dude, we were just reading about this last night. Two people have had pig hearts transplanted in their bodies.

No way. Yeah, one guy stayed alive, I think, for 60 days, and one guy stayed alive for 40 days. Did they gain a lot of weight? Did they become fatties? He's stuck fucking shoveling their face in the trash. So, wait, they have, you tell me they had people. Whose idea was it to put a pig heart in another human being? There's a bunch of doctors because apparently pig's hearts for some reason are similar in function to a human heart.

Say that about a sheep's vagina. Don't they? They do. I'm a farmer, but that's what I heard. That's what I heard too. So a pig's heart. Yeah. That's fucking crazy.

It's crazy. And so they did it on two people. Yeah, but either way, the whole thing of transplanting organs from other people is like super risky and dangerous. And once it's working, the number of, like we looked at heart transplants. I don't know what it is for lung, double lung transplants, but you look at mortality over a period of years. And so it's like 91% of the people survived the first year. And then it starts going down. So 9% of the people die after the heart transplant.

But then it starts to go down. after, you know, that's for the first year, when it gets to five years, then you're in the 80s, or the 90s, and then the 80s. And it keeps dipping. It keeps dipping until, like, at 10 years, it's like half of them are dead. Jesus. Yeah. So you're buying some time. Right. But, you know, it's also.

What about other? It's a good question. So what is it like for double lung transplant? I don't know, but I would imagine it's fragile. You want to put that in the fucking red? You want to push that where you're breathing heavy? It felt like yesterday he was making laps around the. hospital floor right yeah and that's a dude well he's a winner right and that's the problem like

sometimes when you're a winner your your your will is so strong that you think you could force your body into unrealistic expectations there's got to be some agreement yeah there's like i just in my mind too but i was a good dude he cheated he i mean basically you cheated death yes your family now you have your family back you understand you have a second chance like why would you put that at risk to do something. Maybe him and Bilal. You have nothing to prove it. Have like a friendly

wrestling role. That's kind of a friendly wrestling. I don't think that though. He's an animal. Ben Ascran's a fucking animal. I don't think that they have an agreement with each other. I think that somebody told

Balau, hey listen man, don't push this dude. He said, like I saw an interview where he said, like his first question was, what are you talking about? Can he wrestle? You know what I mean? Has he even been cleared? I would not.

attempt that if I was below. I'd be like it's not the pros don't go and this is no disrespect to Ascran it's like I think that guy's an animal like I was one of the biggest promoters of trying to get Ascran into the UFC when he was the champion of Belator and then when he went over to one

and the argument was like he was boring and I was like no he's not boring it's crazy that he could do this to these guys yeah he could take guys like Douglas Lima and just ragged on to the ground and they can't do shit to him Corriss golf memory did to him yeah yeah he wasn't he wasn't boring

at all. He was destroying guys. Dalling these guys. They had zero chance in him not taking them down. It was zero chance and it was beautiful. Right. It wasn't like Alex Pereira flying me and somebody in the face, but it's still another way to win. But it was like a man and a

child. Yes. Yeah. It was crazy good. He was crazy good. And then we got him like a little late. We got him when he already had hip problems and he eventually had to get a hip replacement after he got out of the UFC. You know, he had already been 15 years in combat sports, and then all the years of wrestling.

And like, but those days when he was running shit at Bellator, he was a motherfucker, dude. He was a motherfucker. Fight Night is here. Title shots, debut killers and the rising contender. Nobody's talking about yet. And only Draft Kings has you covered every step of the way. The Draft Kings app is now available in all 50 states and includes all markets, bringing the game straight to your fingertips wherever you are.

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Predictions offer void in New York. And July 19th, terms at dkng.com slash audio. His fight with Damien Maya was fucking awesome. That's a great. The beautiful thing about that fight is it's almost like the closest thing to style versus style that we could have nowadays. You know, they're both so brilliant

at the way they use their art with him with his wrestling and him with a jiu-jitsu. And in that fight, you got to see some of that with Ben, you got to see the takedowns, you got to see an Uma-Platter reversal, an leg-lock-ashi reversal, I mean, beautiful jiu-jitsu. It was just such a, it was such a great fight.

Dude, Damia and Maya got fucked than anybody ever got fucked by a referee's decision. Camaroos, man. Yep, ever. Right. Nobody got fucked harder than Damia got fucked. Was it her? Who was it?

I don't know. And maybe we shouldn't even pull her name up. I don't think it was. I can't do our boys like that. Man, I got to see them in a week. I want to think, I don't remember the, I don't remember who it was. But I think is a guy who doesn't do it in the UFC anymore. But he had him on his back, one hook in over,

over under. He had gotten to a position where like you are fucked, you're dry and you got the best back specialist in the UFC. Damien Maya was the way he ran through Neil Magda, you're like, holy shit man. His jiu-jitsu is so high level. And for you to get off, get him off, and Camaro's one loss, right? Was to make a choke. Yeah. Alex Salis's his brother. So it's like, how many years ago was that? Like, and now you're fighting Damien Maia and he's got your back. You're in Yeah. Like you're in danger. And the referee separated them.

So crazy. Never got to that spot again. Kamarro played it nice. He fought a great fight, won the fight, and you're like, damn, Damien had him. He had him in a, like, not nine out of ten, but he had him in like a six out of ten spot for him. Yeah. Like half the time he gets your back and you're dry and you're not at his level of jiu-jitsu.

You're in fucking trouble. You should never, you should never separate anybody from that position. I know you're a big proponent of not standing people up, but especially positions did it, requires time to get to. 100%. 100%. The idea that a guy can defend it for a few seconds in the crowd booze, and that's enough for you to make them neutral again.

Fuck you. I know. It's so hard to get to Camaro? Camaro Ousson to get to his back like that. And the tightness is what keeps that position. Right. Any space he makes and Camaro's gone. Name the amount of times in the history of Camaro's entire,

all the years of competition where people got them in disadvantageous grappling position. I can't think of There's very few Very few Leon took him down Chimov Chimov Yeah

Yeah Chimayev But even Chimayev He was winning the third round Oh well he So for Damian Mayer He almost won that fight It came

Like that was a fight He won the last half Here he is Here he is This is crazy Oh shit Do I need heads of? Who is that?

Who is that? That's it matter All right That sucks Back it up again so you can see how good the position was a little further. Look at that hook. Can you get it a little further back?

Yeah, so I want to see it like when he starts entangling. This is so bad for Camaro. You have to understand how bad this is. Yeah, this is bad. This is not just simply he's like behind you. And Maya had that progression. He was just about to beat that wizard. Bro, look how good this looks too.

Maya is just a gorilla. His wrestling was underestimated too. Like he was good. So it was technical. in everything. And this use of leverage and his positioning was always perfect.

It just was so beautiful to watch. When you see a guy just super high level jiu-jitsu in the UFC, he's just like, oh my God, this is beautiful to watch. Yeah, I love how methodical he's working his way into this.

Dangerous. Look at it. Oh, my God. He was going to step in there. Look at this. That arm is the only thing. And he's just about to beat that arm. And not only that,

from here he could just start beating him with the right hand, which he'll probably, they start doing. So if the referee really stands him up from this position, like this is a crazy way to separate people. This is bad, man. This is like for Camaro, this is super dangerous.

He's still got half the round left. Hanging on to that whizzer for dear life is the only thing from keeping him from getting this guy on your neck. And that wizard is like at 40% power now because look how far back it is. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Not much into that. Yeah, there's not much. It's hard.

It's hard to generate power like that. with Camaro, I mean, he's got full double underhooks. How do they break this up? How do you break this up? This is crazy to break up. Like, this is such a dangerous position. This is bad. I don't recognize the ref.

Yeah. I can't remember. I recognize. I'm not going to say his name. There's no need to. But this is a giant mistake. You're clear, Herb. Sometimes in herb, though, it's right.

Sometimes in fights, man, these guys listen to the crowd. Oh, yeah. It's kind of hard not to, right? And they feel responsible. Yeah, they do. And then the organization, I'm sure, they feel pressure because the organization wants, like, fast action fights. But there's certain situations where you've got to just accept the fact that sometimes

this sport is not the most exciting for moments because it's so exciting in other spots. Punching his ass. Oh, that's crazy right there. That's fucking crazy. That's crazy. Oh, man. That's the worst fuck over that anybody's ever gotten in the UFC. I mean

I think that's the worst There is the time that fucking Bustamante had to get it to Lintland and two submissions That's right That's a pretty big fuck That's who Meyer reminds me of His striking wasn't as good as Marillow's

But the combination of wrestling And his jiu jiu jitsu Once he got a hold of you He was probably going to put you out Yeah, Marillo was so good He's still coming around He's got a fighter in the UFC now Does he? That's awesome

Yeah I saw him when I first started jujitsu at Carlson Gracie's place Did you? Yeah, the very first year that I started Jiu-Jitsu, it was like him, Vitor was there, Sergio Cohen, Mario Sperry. It was crazy. They just stumbled. They had a ridiculous room back then.

Lucked out and wound up watching these guys train when, like, Vitor was about to make his UFC debut. I was just starting out. I was like, this is amazing. You seen all them guys in there? Dude, they were all in there, man. You could just come in off the street and see the best Jiu-Jitsu guys in the world training. That's crazy. It was crazy.

It was all, they were all fighting in, there was the other guy, what's his name, Carlos Focque. Baheto? Baheto. That's right, Carlos Bahato. He was there too. There was a bunch of those Carlson Gracie team guys that we just got lucky that this was the Trangle the Rambulman.

Yeah. And Ramblman is, yeah. Built like a he-man figure. Carlson had some savages, man. He really had a great team. Yeah. Yeah, it was pretty. La Boreo back then.

Oh, that's what I got my black bow from. Laboreo. Hell yeah, that's another guy to be proud of. He is a good guy. Such a nice guy. Yeah, it's like, it's kind of amazing when you realize that before 1993, Jiu-Jitsu had no schools. Right?

And now they're everywhere. Everywhere. Everywhere. Yeah. That is like really insane. That's truly insane. Like the Gracie family, like, the world owes them. Yeah.

No. No, there's no doubt about it. Oads them. The world, the whole world. The world is impacted. Think of the world. The world. The whole world.

Yeah, everybody. Because I think liking MMA has impacted culture and then people training, much more people training in jujitsu has impacted culture. Hell yeah. Where the fuck would we be? Like the UFC's here because of the graces as well. I mean, obviously the fatid is in Dana. Yeah, but who's idea was it? He started the whole thing.

He wanted to have a crocodile mode around it. It's amazing. I remember. about it in 1992 with Horian and Hoyce, the seminar I went to, and they were talking about that. They were talking about the different ideas what they were gonna do. And I, even though I didn't think they were full of shit,

I thought it was never gonna happen. I'm like, what is this blood sport? I go, on TV, they're gonna be fighting. It sounded ridiculous. But now everybody's so used to it, it sounds ridiculous that it sounds ridiculous. That's true, that's a good point. When I first found out about it,

I didn't watch it until it was UFC two, because I will only watch it on videotape. Like, someone from the gym told me about it. And I went and watched it. I got the videotape, like Hollywood video, brought it home. And I was like, oh, my God, they did it. They did.

That's what I thought. That's what I thought. They pulled this off. I saw a pay-per-view. They did the thing that we always wanted. Oh, okay. So when I was, when I first started... Style versus style.

Yeah. Yeah, I first started taking karate, and I thought karate was good until I stumbled into this really good Taekwendoo school. And I was like, oh, taekwondo's and shit. And then I started boxing. I'm like, oh my God, I can't box.

And then I started kickboxing. I'm like, oh, my God, you kick my legs? I didn't know you can kick my legs. This is terrible. And then I started doing jiu-jitsu. Like, oh, my God, I'm helpless. So it's like all these steps along the way. I was like, it wouldn't have been nice if we knew what style was real.

And this is what brusely tried. Right. Bro, when I was starting out in like 88 doing taekwondo, nobody knew nothing. Nobody knew what worked. Everybody just like, sorry, that guy beats people in that thing. And that guy beat, I wonder what happened. They thought no one knew. Right.

And they thought UFC2. was worthless. Grappling arts were worthless. But luckily, I learned it was not worthless in high school when I got my ass kicked. Me too, man. Practicing on a fucking wooden dummy to change. One is punched my ass. That's all I know.

And every time I get to a real scrap, I'd go back to my season of eighth grade wrestling. That's the case. But I also think that Wing Chung would work if you knew all the other. Like, Anderson Silva can use Wing Chung. Right. You know what I'm saying? hand trapping. Yeah, there's hand trapping and elbows from him. There's stuff that does work. If you know all the other shit, it's an added element.

Right. It's like there's moves that you could do that you're just, your opponent's not going to, your opponent is used to this, right? They're used to punches, like regular punches. Every now and then, weird shit can work because they don't see it coming and then it opens up other big shots. And Wing Chong can, those guys, when you watch the really good ones, like whack at each other's arms and shit, you're like, okay, there's like a little value in that. this. There's a little value in getting good at this. As long as you know how to actually punch. Yeah, I don't dismiss nothing. Because anything can work in the right context. It's just not going to work on

Terrence Crawford. Not a box of match against Terrence Crawford. It's nothing then. What is working against him anyway? No one has figured that out. No one has figured that out. Not much. Listen, you could have fun with it, but as far as value,

I'd say very little value. Very little. It's only valuable if you're already doing the other stuff. Yeah, if you're going to do that, you might as well be doing Moy Thai, Western boxing, or jujitsu. No, no, for sure. By itself, useless. But what I think is if you already are doing other stuff

and you could train with a guy who can show you some of it, I think you would be like, oh, I see value in this. Like, do you remember when Dan Henderson was fighting Hector Lombard and he hit him with like a back elbow standing? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Or a back forearm. It was an elbow or four? elbow yeah I think you like throw a punching cane back back up here's like you ever see people

do standing back fists sometimes and they work there's some shit that we're missing yeah and like I think wing chung is a part of it yeah I agree with that like especially like when you're in close like in clenching positions you're just like trapping hands inside you know what I think is the number one thing that people need should be doing the number one thing that people should be doing is point fighting karate it's you know like you want to add something I mean, obviously, not number one over wrestling and all that, but the number one thing to add, don't add wing chung. Add point fighting karate.

But it's such a physical thing that a lot of people probably can't do. Especially if you come from a wrestling background where you're so used to being like heavy and square. Yeah. To be able to turn sideways and jump in and out like that. But if you can do it, that advantage is so huge. When you watch like MVP when he's in his fucking prime. That's so funny. Here it is.

The Sharaw Bullitt. Yeah, but the thing about. Yeah, back elbow. Crazy. What a beautiful elbow from a wrestling position. Yeah. Let me see that again. How did he land it?

So yeah, he had his leg. Look at that. He's holding his leg. And he catches, look at the fucking elbow. Oh, son. Fantastic. What a fucking elbow. That's one of the greatest elbows of all time.

Underappreciated elbow right now. To get a knockout elbow while you're hopping on one leg? Yeah, that's crazy. Fighting off the takedown? Yeah. That was nasty. Nasty. It wasn't Wing Chun.

But what I was getting to is these guys like MVP, that advantage is so huge. The advantage of being Wonderboy in his prime, bro, that advantage is so nuts. So I watch videos of people doing it online. I'm like, if you could do that in the MMA fight, no one will catch you. You'll be in and out before they catch you. You know who's the closest to it? Cyril Gahn. That's true.

Cyril Gond is not a point fighting karate guy, is a Moy Taya, but he's a basketball. Yeah. And we were talking about this the other day, like, what better sport to develop pliometrics and the ability to change direction than basketball? You're constantly changing direction and they're big men. Then why can't basketball players fight? They're not trying. They don't train.

That's true. Just because they don't train. But Cyril gone, you look at the way he moves, like he moves like a basketball player can move, but he's 250 pounds and he's a heavyweight and he can fucking strike. Yeah, I remember I used to train Walt Harris, who was a pretty good basketball player. And I always try to tell him, man, it's the same thing. Your pivots are the same. You got to be able to move, change directions.

It's the same thing. But as a heavyweight, it also comes with being lazy. Yes. Those guys are just lazy. Well, it's harder to do. Hey, fuck you, Dean. It's harder to move all that weight, right? It's like, it's hard to get a 248-pound guy to move like serial gone.

There's not a whole lot of them. We were just talking about it the other day. I think it's an underappreciated thing because we're used to lighter weight fighters moving like that. But I'm like, name one. Name one guy at heavyweight who moves like that. You know who used to? You know who used to? Was the dark horse of the heavyweight division?

Travis fucking Brown. When Travis Brown was in his prime, he was a bad motherfucker dude. And he moved light. He was a big, tall dude, and he moved light. In Orlovsky used to. He just had some, you know, wars. And they take their toll on you. But if you go back to like Travis Brown in his heyday,

when he was knocking people out with those. elbows from the clinch and the way he would move like he would move like super light on his feet like bouncing around and I think it was because he played basketball it's got to be it 100% it makes sense because I know Travis played basketball yeah you know he's a when you get a big athlete that's light on their feet that's a giant advantage yeah it is because you only needs one entrance that you didn't anticipate when you get popped and just and now you're compromised and getting that first step and being able to get a clean shot dude Those karate point, I've only fought in a couple of karate point fights when I was a kid, when I was doing Taekwondo tournaments, so we'd enter into him.

And I fought this one guy that was like, his name was Mafia Holloway. He was like a champion. I couldn't even touch him. I couldn't even get close to him. His first name was Mafia Holloway. Mafia Holloway. Yeah, it was a very famous. I don't know if it was a real name, but that's what his name was back in the day.

He was like a well-known black belt point fighting champion. I couldn't even touch him. I was like, Jesus, we're playing totally different games. I'm playing a continuous fighting game, which where you're, you know, you know, you know, you know, You know, you fight in Tygo Window for a certain amount of minutes. And he's playing this thing where you stop every time they hit you. And so you can't hit him. And he keeps hitting you.

Yeah. And it's just stop. Stop. Stop. It's like, whoa. I'm so frustrating. But I remember leaving going, oh, I need to learn that. Like, that's crazy. I didn't know you could move that quick and just jump out of there the way he's doing.

And I'm like, and you think about like these guys that fight him, like Kevin Holland that fight MVP. Yeah. After a while, they're like, what the fuck is this? Yeah, for real. He was in his corner saying that. Like, how do I? He's quicker than I thought. What am I doing here?

This is nuts. You just can't do anything to him, and he's styling on you. Yeah, that's why when I trained Tyrant to fight Steven, Thompson, Wonderboy, we did. So I knew the mistake that everybody was making. They were using just regular tall kickboxers. I went to karate schools. And we got just karate kids that did that for him to spar with. And I was like, I was like, don't worry about takedowns.

We don't even need to get there. just be able to deal with this movement and his length and being able to deal with that because it's different. What is this? Mafia Holloway. Oh, shit. Yeah.

He's got a crazy kick here, right? Dude was very good. There is. He was very good. He didn't get me with that. He got me with a couple of sidekicks to the body, though. I'll tell you that. I was very impressed.

I was impressed by the speed in which he was able to, like, move forward and back. Because that darting in and just tagging each other speed, is a totally different speed. They're like continuous fighting speed. Because continuous fighting speed, you would assume that if the guy's hitting you,

that you're going to counter and you're going to exchange. And what these guys are used to is you never exchange. They just pop you. They pop you and they get the fuck out of there. And that's a... That's a asset in MMA. Giant asset. Because you can just knock somebody out.

That's it. It's a giant asset also if you try to play their game, you should just try to play their game just to realize how hard it is. And you're like, oh, this is a different thing. This is all about the blitz. It's all about the entry. They switch stances at will, too.

At will. Yeah. At will. You know, but I think all the good guys do now. I think that's going to be a pre-weckers. There's too many calf kickers out there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you got to be able to switch. It's true.

Do you guys watch one? You watch kickboxing and one? Did you see Jonathan Haggerty and Yuki-Josa? It wasn't good for Haggerty, was it? No, he won. He figured him out. Haggerty was... Ooh, he's the guy to beat that dude that was wrecking everybody with the kids.

How he's a elbow guy. Well, he's just a full-on Muay Thai guy, but he beat him by continuous movement and switching stances. Oh, right. Yeah. I think I checked the video. I did see that. It's a really technical fight. For sure.

Like, if you really like striking, it's a really technical fight. He did an amazing job of just constantly giving them different looks and switching stances and moving and then catching him in exchanges. And, dude, it was fucking beautiful because he always crushes everybody's legs. It was really sweet. He just kept switching stances on them too. He kept switching stances and he did a lot of great boxing from the outside too. Yeah, I do see this. But he never gave him the same look.

See that? Look at that. Look at that. And then knees to the body, a lot of knees to the body. It was beautiful. Brilliant fight. I was just chatting with him on Instagram. I'm going to try to get him on.

Nice. Bring them to America. Like, this is what Zufa should be promoting. You know, I mean, I know they know they love boxing. That's awesome. I'm glad they're doing that. But, you know, this is it. Yeah.

If you want another thing that's really exciting, it's striking. Just have only Muay Thai. I'm just surprised they haven't done that. Yeah, it doesn't make any sense. It really doesn't. That's what everybody likes to watch anyway, really. Dana said to me, I don't know if he changed his opinion, but he said to me that people don't like kickboxing because they think of like PKA karate

from ESPN from like the 1980s. I'm like, that's old people. Yeah. I don't even know what that is. That's old people. Young people love martial arts. Like, young people love knockouts. Young people boo when fights go to the ground.

They do. MMA is the best. No doubt about it. It's the greatest sport of all times. The champion of sports. However, if you're going to have some value in another combat sport, it's Muay Thai. It's the most exciting shit. You can do the most options.

You can knee, they can throw each other. They do all kinds of wild kicking. You think Rika Verhoeven's boxing success will bring some eyes to kickboxing? I hope so. I'm having him on, too. I hope so. I hope so. That was incredible.

He's really phenomenal. I mean, dude, for 10 rounds, he really... He was into the point where if you're good judges, if the judges are real, he, he, Usick needs a knockout twin. A thousand percent. Which is crazy. I thought he was up by eight, like eight to one or two at the time. I thought the same.

A lot of people thought the same. I mean, he was, he was bullying him around. Yeah, he uses weight well. He should go to himself, and it was phenomenal. because he put my style against Usik, and it was Jim Carrey, and it's the one where he comes boxing at the guys. It often looked like it, too. It was fucking phenomenal. But, man, he really did amazing.

I personally think if they rematch that now Ucic will, like, kind of figure them out, so maybe it'll get him faster. Look, I hope not, because I was rooting for Rico. If they rematch, RICO was going to know that he can do that. Like before that fight, he didn't know he could do that. And Usik didn't know he could do that. And the difference is Ussig is not a real heavyweight. He's the greatest heavyweight of all time, which is crazy. But he's not a real heavyweight.

Right. He's, you can't see the great. Like, Tyson, in my opinion, is always going to be my favorite in his prime. Yeah. He was just so insane. It was so insane to watch him just demolish the whole division. For real. But then you look at Cassius Clay, and then when he was Muhammad Ali,

and Larry Holmes doesn't get his due, and Lennox Lewis was a fucking beast. So maybe, you know, who knows who would have fought. But that guy stylistically is like the greatest heavy weight ever. Like watching him move. They're like skill for skill. It's incredible. You're watching an artist. Yeah.

It's like the way he put it on Dubois. Yeah. Oh my God. He's incredible. But he's still a really a 220-pound guy. Yeah. You know, like he puts on some extra weight. He was a little thicker for that fight.

Right. But, you know, Rico's huge. He's a giant guy. He's a giant guy. He's a giant guy. He's a giant. giant guy from the Netherlands. Is that where he's from?

That's a real heavyweight man. Another Dutch kickboxer. They're all giants. They're all tough as shit too. What's he like 65, 270? He's huge. He's got crazy cardio too for a big giant guy. He was bouncing on.

I mean he was for 10 rounds he kept that pace. That's a heavyweight keeping that pace. And then once he slowed, you know, that's when Ussick was able to find him. Did you watch it, Matt? I can't watch. I have a hard time watching anything but fucking mixed martial martial. I love Jiu-Jitsu. And Star Wars. I love Jitsu.

Yeah, well, you know, Star Wars. I saw the new He-Man movie, by the way. How was it? It was fucking good. Really? The Masters of the Universe was good. I was worried because I'm thinking, Ellen new reboots and this and that.

I go, is it going to be too woke? Is it going to be this? It was fucking fun. It had a Thor Ragnon-Ock-type feel where it's just kind of fun and a little goofy, but not to the point where it's just takes you out of it. You know what is?

I grew up with that he man. Yeah. That was my kid around our age, right? Yeah, right. So it did justice to that. Like, you know, it made it fun. I heard it was a fun. I heard that was a

Jared Lato put out. Yeah. I heard there was like some sort of crazy, like he wasn't allowed to do interviews, wasn't allowed to talk to the rest of the cast. Why? Because they were worried he's gonna do nutty shit. Like he went in the Joker,

he was like sending people dead rats in the mail Oh, really? Yeah, because he was in character, you know? That's wild. So they're like, yeah, you're going to be an evil fucking skeletor guy? No, no, we can't let you be in character. Can't contact the rest of the crew. I don't know if that's true.

That's what I heard, but it was fun. See if that's true. No, I heard that too. I heard Will Smith said something about that. Yeah, I thought somebody said it. I know he did. I know he definitely did that with a Joker. Or something.

But he was the Joker, yeah. Yeah. Said, I know you're playing the Joker, but come on with the rats. Yeah, yeah, you would chill out. There's some dudes that played the Joker And you're like, all right, it's over Hey, I heard Like when Heath Ledger played the Joker

Like everybody stopped Yeah, yeah, yeah You can't come back after that Until Joaquin, Wachene Phoenix Yeah, he's a great Yeah, they came out I was like, okay, now that's the Joker

Yeah Yeah, then you saw the sequel And you said fuck that, bring back I didn't see the sequel Tim Dillon told me It was the worst movie That's ever been made Everybody said that

That it was Like I didn't see it neither I didn't make it I didn't watch it If I was guessing, he probably didn't want to do it. I don't know what they were thinking. I bet it was like a dispute between, like, the movie company and the dude. Arnold was a musical.

Why would you do that? It's so much. Unless you're trying to mock it or you're trying to diffuse it. Maybe the government was like, hey, after you released that movie, we had the BLM riots and everybody who's lighting L.A. on fire. Hey, maybe don't have a movie where you're encouraging people to, like, light cities on fire. Maybe make a musical. Yeah. So crazy.

It's trying to defuse the Joker movement with a musical. It's funny how the first, I never seen a, I mean, sequels aren't normally as good as the original, but holy fuck. I never seen something so bad. I didn't make it through it. I saw some of it. And then I'm like, once I started singing, I'm like, I'm out of this. It's very rare where a sequel, you're like, damn, that's just as good. Well, Terminator 2.

Empire Strikes Back. Those are a couple. Those are a couple. Rocky, too. You didn't like Rocky, too? John Wick to is pretty fucking good. Why did he take it to the zoo in the beginning? Why?

I never can get over that. I love the zoo. The whole joke. The whole joke was that mean bodyguard saying, take it to the zoo, the retards like the zoo. And then he takes her to the fucking zoo to propose the war. Is that not crazy? Yeah, that is.

But that's how people were in the 70s. They were animals. but he's basically just saying that right you're right people are animals before the internet man are you still doing movie reviews on your channel oh you're trying to plug my channel

no well I'm saying to talk about the bad sarah channel on you because you know what I'm watching on there I do I do series reactions or movies reactions are you watching the new house of dragon no I haven't saw it yet there's too many things to watch

let me tell you something I'm in the middle of from. I want to talk to you about that, too. My wife's mad at Frum. Don't tell me why. It might be ahead of me. I'm on season four, episode five, I think. How many seasons is it?

Five? There's only four. And then the fifth one is the final season. It doesn't come out until 2027. So don't tell me, sure. A, House of Dragon. Now, look, I love Game of Thrones. The Night of the Seven Kingdoms was phenomenal.

And House of Dragon, out of all of them, is the one I like to live. least because it's a lot of just gloom and doom. All the characters are pricks. They're all a bunch of fucking wacky-talkie. Yeah, there's no one the light. Exactly. No one's noble. But this one, this third season is fucking, I watch.

Yeah, I do the reactions on my channel. Thanks, Dean. What is the channel? The Matt Serra channel on YouTube? Oh, look at this. Oh, it's contemplated. Oh, that's me. It's like he's contemplating.

You know what this is? You know what this is? Do you ever see Mystery Science Theater? This is like my mystery song Yeah, well, they show the back of their head. You're the former UFC Welterweight champion of the world. And you're sitting there with the headphones

on. He's great. This is what I think about House of Trackett's. Yeah. You didn't have to do that. You didn't have to do that. That's 200 milligrams of edibles right there. It's 55 milligrams. You know what scene I really love when they were trying to find Targaryans? Because the Targaryans had a bunch of of Asthmaeians. They were trying to see who's a Targaryans.

They put people out with the dragons. That was burning them out. Oh, no. The prior seasons had some good scenes like that. Yeah. But this season, I just watched three of them so far. I'll get in. Each one of them is, it's nothing but fighting now.

It's nothing about but going at it. Let's go. And it's fucking good. Yeah, it's good. I'm in. I watched the whole season of all the episodes of Game of Thrones recently. You went back and started again? Went back? Yeah, we watched it for like four or five months.

We're a great show. And when you watch it, like, every couple nights a week, like, two, three nights a week when you're watching it. It's like, you just, like, you follow, you don't have to wait, like, years in between seasons. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's incredible right that way. It's the greatest epic adventure show in the history of the world. I tell people that all the time, I'm like, you got to watch it. So good, dude.

For sure. I forgot how good it was. And even though it's 10 years old, special effects are perfect. Yeah, for sure. I'm going to say something I never said in my life. There's a new book I'm reading. What? Hey guys

Hold on, wait a minute Wait a minute Is it audible? Is it an audible? Is it a graphic novel? Son of a bitch No, it's not It is

And all right I gotta be honest I'm listening to the audio book Oh okay I hear what people say They're reading a book When they really listen to the audio book Bro, Donnell Rawlins gave me so much shit about that

He's not true How are you reading when you just listed It's like I'm just trying to Abbreviate it Yes I listened to an audio book Sorry I didn't sit down and read it Rising.

Red Rising. Have you ever heard of this? No. Well, you're going to document this episode because sooner or later someone's going to pick it up and it's going to become either an Amazon series or a movie.

One of my black belts, Jedi Joey Beans, told me about this ages ago. What a great name. Jedi Joey Beans. Oh, Joey Beans is a savage. Jedi Joey Beans is a fucking great name. He's great.

But he likes all the shit I'm into, so he told me about this. I'm going to write it down. What is it called again? Red Rising. That's it. And I'll tell you, I don't know how many books there are, but I'm listening to the first one, and I'm like more than halfway through.

What's it about? Set in future on Mars. Whoa. Red Rising is a 2014 dystopian. How do you pronounce that? Dysopian. Science fiction novel.

You guys are a bunch of fucking boys. First of all. You guys are a bunch of fucking. This is why I got a little. My short stuff. My short friend took the short bus. He's out here in the first book. Telling us he's reading and dystopian comes out.

Somebody else read it. A bunch of pricks. Hey, listen to me. This is a great book. It's a great book. And I like getting into something new. Well, how long is the book? Matt, that's regular coffee.

There's a coffee. If you want coffee, coffee. You know what? That would be so much easy. I was trying to figure out what you're going to do with that. I don't know. what I was doing. I'm a caffeine.

I'm down for that. I'm down for that. Yeah, the Red Rising, man. That was really good. Pass me that. Pass me that. It's like Game of Thrones in space. Ooh, I'm in.

I'm in. Oh, you know what I started watching? Because of you guys. That Battlestar Galactica. Fucking great. I'm only on the first season. There's like 20 episodes of season. I'm like 10 in right now.

Yeah, that was a sci-fi channel. Bro, that show was so underrated. So underrated. Like to this day. if you go back and watch Battlestar Galactica at the entire series, it's fucking incredible. Very good. The new one, not the old one.

Yeah, not the one in the 70s, the original. By York, man. Here's what I'm going to recommend. You can watch you with your wife or by yourself, whatever you want to do. Porn? What's that? Porn? That's always, yeah.

Well, by yourself. Widows Bay. Widows Bay. Oh, what is that? Apple TV comes out with some fucking bangers. Bangers? Silo's on. another great one.

But Widows Bay, it's very rare. It's about an island that's kind of cursed. And Amaya is trying to get it to become like the next fucking Mothis Vineyard or whatever that is. And, you know, this is it. Oh, that guy. That guy was in the beast within. This is great. Bro, that guy's in another great fucking series that also might be Apple.

It might be. It's very rare that something, I don't like, like my family's a bunch of ghouls, except for my oldest. They like all the horror shit. I'm not into it. but it's very rare I like spooky shit so it's like spooky but it's fucking funny it's got like a quirky type humor to it

and I was fucking dying I was nice the beast in me is another one it was uh what was it on Netflix it's on Netflix it's still on Netflix it's a series and it's about an author and this fucking psychotic guy that is a rich guy who lives in her neighborhood I don't want to tell you any more than that it's a movie it's clear yeah I saw that

Claire Danes and that guy, Matthew, you watched that show? I didn't watch it. I didn't watch it. Dude, is it fucking good. It's what Claire Danes can act her ass off. This summer, soccer is here and the watch parties will be going back to back to back. But don't worry, Uber Eats has your game day essentials covered. All the snacks and groceries to keep your crowd happy delivered straight to your door,

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Right. You'd have no idea. There's no way you're going to tell. The lip quiver. Well, she could lie her ass off. She's fantastic on that. It's got 98% on Rotten Tomatoes. That's how good it is.

It's a great show. The Beast in me. Yeah, there's too much shit to watch. There's so much shit. I just started the pit. So I'm like, and I'm late on that. What's the pit? About the, um, the ER room in Pittsburgh.

Oh. Yeah, she plays a doctor in the ER room. It's really good, though. Okay. There's some of I'm into for a while then I just fucking fall a while. I never heard of it. Just too many shows. Yeah.

I did that with Landman. After a while, I'm just like, I don't, I don't, I don't give a shit about the slutty wife and the daughter's annoying me. Oh, I love it. She's my favorite. She plays to strip her wife well. After a while, it's just like, all right. They get to some interesting shit with like the cartels after them.

And then they're, oh, let's take the old the seniors out to the strip join. It's like, oh, right. There we go. Oh, the wife's being outrageous again. I mean, it's not true. I mean, I don't got my ADD. I can't take it.

That's fun. Now, that was my problem with it, too. I thought that the women were like caricatures of women. Yeah, come on, man. Who's cheering their daughter on? Basically to be a hoe. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was kind of like, you know, this is.

I have a question, though, if you guys all seen it. Why does the, why do they live together? Like, the other lawyer, why do they all live with Billy Bob Thornton and his family? That's a plot point. Yeah. Yeah, there's no other reason. Yeah, because there's only one house on the ranch or something. Oh, because I'm just like.

They all have to live in the one house. It's his office at his home, basically. Yeah, to the office is home? It makes it fun, but isn't he making a lot of money? Shouldn't all of them be making a lot of money? Yeah, you would think his lawyer be making big bank, you know? Well, now he's got to be making money because he's running the company. Spoiler alert.

So he's making more money. She's making sure they're eating their vegetables. And that bitch gets mad about it. Anything. I love Billy Bob, though. Billy Bob and that show is so good. He makes the show. He makes the show.

He is the show. Taylor said that he wouldn't even made the show if it wasn't. for Billy. He went to Billy with the idea is, I'm not going to make this if you're not going to be in that. He made the show. I thought Andy Garcia was good in it too. Oh, Andy Garcia is great in it. He's great in everything. Yeah. Yeah. You ever see things to do in Denver when you're dead? Hell you know.

Longo loves that lemon. Dude, that's a... I can't get into that movie. I like that movie. I never made that movie. I never made it true. Longo loves that fucking movie. I'm with you. I'm with you. Lago loves it. I listen, in all fairness, I don't honestly, I haven't seen it in decades. But when I saw it, I loved it. But the problem is sometimes you go back and you try to watch one of that movies.

And you're like, whoa, what, man, what was I thinking? What was wrong with me? This movie sucks a fat one. There's a bunch of movies like that. You try to watch them. They're terrible. Yeah. Sometimes it's just better off remembering how good they used to be.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, the impact. You were just a more naive person for the internet. Yeah, true. I watched one of the worst movies that was so fucking good that it was bad. It was rowdy, rowdy, right, rowdy, how? Rowdy Roddy Piper. Rowdy, Roddy, Piper?

Yes. He was in. 100 milligrams. We saw her last night, too, Joey. Joey, that's right. Hell comes to Frogs Town. Ooh. Now, it's a combination of, say,

like, mad max, like a post-apocalyptic thing and escaped from New York, where in the future, Routy, Roddy is the only guy who's not fucking sterile. Everybody else is sterile. So...

Sam, everybody's chasing him for it. So they have to, like... It starts off when he's in, like, a fucking general's. He's in, like, a room because he got caught with the general's daughter. And fucking... They put a... They put a jockstrap on him

with explosives. And he has to... Oh, my God. He has to... He has to... To a frog? Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. So he has to... His mission is to go to his Frogs Town and there's a herringer there and he's got to impregnate everybody. Or else they're going to fucking blow him up. Sounds like a horrible job. It is crazy. This movie. What a silly movie.

Oh, yeah, no, no. Oh, my God. You can't unsee it. Hell comes to Frogtown? This is amazing. He cut out halfway through things of doing Denver when you're dead. But he's in for Frogtown. Yeah, but I agree.

With this, you know where you're getting. getting into it's not a bunch of people pretending to be cool you know it's like this is just silly how did you even find this and then sit down and watch the whole thing this is the thing well you know it's well documented about my ass problems so sometimes i spend a lot of time on the throne and i got my iPad so i go to prime video and it's almost like when i was little like i used to go through the channels and i'm like up all night i'd find something wacky so i i look for weird or different movies and that's one of them and I just it just brought me right in I watched

that whole I'm in two shits I watched that whole fucking movie what was the one when he was an alien crazy amount of time to shit was it called they or whatever I'm on the I'm on the toilet a long time no but that's crazy it's crazy to shit for two hours you're saying a little well not for two hours

the budget for this movie was double what that movie obsession was that just came out that's my wife said that movie was great so the budget was 1.5 million back then. In 1988. Wow. So was this a small release?

Yeah, it has to be. Who made this movie? What was the company that made New World? That's a big company. Maybe they sold it to New World? I don't know how that shit works. Was this before or after they live? Well, they live was good.

They live. That's what I'm saying. Maybe they bank rolled it. But I bet if you tried to watch, return to Frogtown was released on 93. He was directed to PHS. Bro, before even DVD, they're like, no, Fuck this.

Straight. Straight to tape. Now listen, everybody, don't go watching this and cursing me. I mean, we got to know what you're getting into. That's exactly what it looks like. TV guy only gave it two out of five stars. How dare they?

DVD talks said three. But I'll tell you, he's hysterical in it, though. He's fucking. He's funny. I bet if we watch they live right now, we wouldn't like it. I bet we'd be like, oh, it's really black. I don't know. It's still pretty funny if you were.

Is it good? Well, it was the last time you saw it? I mean, it's one of them movies when you're flipping around if it's on. Because him and the, who's the, what's the, his guy's name? Remember, they had basically a wrestling match in the fucking alley. They were superplexing each other and everything. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's movies from like the 80s and the 90s.

There it is. There's movies from the 80s and the 90s that become comedies. Yeah. Like they used to be, but this is kind of a comedy. This is like a little tongue and cheek. But then there's stuff like Roadhouse. Right, right, right. Roadhouse is a comedy now.

Right, for sure. You want, Roadhouse is such a bad movie. Yeah, yeah. It's so bad. I mean, it's so insanely bad. The bad guy's bad. The writing is bad. Everything is bad.

Everything's bad except for Patrick Swayze's hair. That's amazing. It was appropriate at the time. Right, but in the 80s. Everything was cheesy. We were dumb. People were dumb back then. You know?

That's what I think. I think we were dumb. Miami Vice, you know. No internet. People were stupid. It's true. You're right. We were only exposed to what we were exposed to.

In your area. Yeah, we thought, that's solid movie. You should go see Roadhouse. I'll tell you what, that's a good guy. You're going to root for him. Yeah. He's complicated, but he's tough. He's quiet.

He likes poetry. It fucks people up, and he says, pain don't hurt. I was not to say that. Pain don't hurt. The karate scenes are so bad. Everything is so fake. It's so dumb-looking. But it's still awesome.

If you watch Sam Elliott in his backup, had an 80-year-old backup. But, dude, clearly. could barely walk. He's like, K-Oing guys left and right, quack, quack.

That's it, me ho. He's awesome and everything, though. Sam Elliott's all. Every time you see Sam Elliott in a movie, like, yes.

Hang in that. I think the bad guys, didn't he tell Patrick, what's his name that he was going to fuck, that he used to fuck guys like him in prison?

Yes. Yes. Sam L.A., that's the one who played Landman's father, right? Yes.

Yeah, he's awesome. He's always good. Always. Always. Always and everything. He's real-life Marber.

man. Exactly. Yeah. He's great and everything. Yeah, that movie was so bad. But the thing is, back then it wasn't. Yeah, everything in the 80s was bad. Pro-in.

TV shows were insane. You watch them. You're like, what were they doing? Trying to brainwash America. Roger Ebert's review is right on the edge of a good, bad movie and merely the bad. It's not a good movie. Well, he's right. It's not a good movie.

But viewing the right frame of mind, it's not a boring one either. Ah, that's the thing. Gene Siskel was less complimentary, calling it outrageous in terms of its cartoon-like plotting and dialogue and lamenting Swayze's mindless posturing, a young star has sold himself to become a pinup boy. Someone sounds a little jelly. Come on. Someone sounds a little jelly. That sounds a little jelly to me. It's called it.

It's called getting paid. Yeah, I made a movie and thought it was going to be better than it was. Right. Okay, let's move on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right? It's a cult classic. To this day, people are still talking about it.

Bro, basically every actor It's ever lived It's been in a couple lemons Of course, that's part of the process Except maybe Daniel DeLuis He's probably a little bit more Maybe that Lincoln one A lot of people didn't watch that Lincoln one

That might be the only one I don't know anybody who was like raves About the Lincoln movie What about the vampire hunter Abraham Lincoln? That was it? Did anybody see that? I never seen it I never saw that

It was Daniel Blaine Lewis right? No Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter is crazy. That should have been made in the 80s. No. There should have been. It should have been.

It should have been. It should have been. It's like a comic book. Did anybody see that? That sounds like a Marvel comic. Yeah. I didn't see it either. It sounds like something I would watch.

It sounds like something I would recommend. It's funny. Was it good? The vampire hunter thing? Yeah, it was like a comedy thing. I might have seen it and forgotten about it. Yeah. I don't even remember if I saw it.

I mean, you get high enough when you watch the movies. They're cool, but you don't really remember D. tails all the time so you know what I'm looking forward to that a new werewolf movie oh Edgar's guy the same guy that did Nospherado yeah he's doing a where they just released a trailer did they what's it called werewolf where yeah werewolf spelled weird but it's basically a werewolf oh shit where's it take place I don't know some foreign country you can hear them speaking some strange language you know it's like oh man oh I want to see that yeah that looks pretty well

Robert Eggers is shit Oh Christmas now How was the vampire Yeah It's a Halloween release How was the vampire one? Fuck yeah It was awesome

You think I like it? Yeah It just I don't know It's good dude It is I think it's the best vampire movie Of all time

Better than interview with a vampire Yeah Nassvaratu Yeah I think Nossverat is the best Vampire movie of all time It's my opinion I think it's the best It's like

I've seen a bunch of them Gary Oldman one was amazing. That was a great. That's Dracula one with Countle Reeves, Winona, right. That was a great one. That's still great. But man, there's something about Eggers Nosferado. It's like it's more terrifying than all of them.

Like, it's just something, it's more hypnotic. Like, he's got powers over people. Like, it's weird the way he influences people. It's like, it's creepy. Yeah, like the way that looks shot, like, I can, I see what you're saying. Like, did you see the Nossferado? No, I didn't see. Show me a scene where they're, when he's making him sign the contract.

There's a scene when the dude has to go to his house And he doesn't know, spoiler alert Like what contract he's signing Because he's signing it in the language that he has known To sell a house to this prince That lives in Romania And he goes to visit this guy It's the creepiest fucking scene ever

And this is the first scene where you like see him And you slowly gets revealed like what he is Yeah The best vampire movie of all time Really? You'll love it I'm gonna watch it now I don't watch it with my wife.

How do you listen to me, my lord. The language of my forefathers. He wants to talk and I see your bride. Yes. He wants a look at the bride? Well, he wants this guy's wife. This is this whole contract. This is what this whole thing is about of him going to this guy's town and buying a house there from him.

Like this really he just wants this guy's wife. He's like eternally connected to her. Oh. It's creepy as fuck, dude. Oh, shit. Oh, I got to watch this. Oh! Yeah.

It's good. I got to watch this. Best vampire movie. Is it? I got to watch this. Ever. Yeah. Some people disagree.

That's fine. My opinion. You ever see Lost Boys? That was good. That was fun. I bet if you watched it today, you'd be like, what? Yeah, you'd be like, yo, this is corny as shit. John Rollo with long hair, I still believe.

With the sacophone. Is that you, Rollo? With this number one. The fucking wig. There's a Broadway show for it now. Lost Boys, the Broadway show? Oh, my God. Dude.

That's hilarious. Boo. First of all, boo Broadway. I saw Spider-Man. I saw Spider-Man. I saw a Rocky. Two things I love. It's like, go to see.

a Spider-Man movie with the worst special effects ever. All of a sudden is a guy swinging and everybody's like oh, I go, dude, really? Show me the one with Macy Barber in it. Not Macy Barber, Marcy Barber? Who's the Black?

Who's the Black girl that used to sing? Macy Gray. Macy Gray. 100 milligrams. Yeah. How was the, there's a rocky play? It was fucking horrendous.

Do they box? Do they pull a ring out and everything? Yeah, it's fucking awful. Wow. It's like It's like what the movie is, but just what you're picturing on Broadway. I've never seen anything I liked on that motherfucker. This.

This is it? Oh, boom. Oh, theater people, you're so silly. Dude, I can't stand. And the guy sucks. He can't box. The beloved Oscar winning story. Dude, I just...

I mean, I assume Stallone did this. I don't know. I mean, he's got to own it. It's a cover story. I'm not into place. I saw Dog Day afternoon with John Berndth on Broadway. Oh, really? How was that?

It wasn't bad, though. He was really good, he was really good. He was really good. You probably like that shit, though. Did you ever get into the Punisher? Did you see the one last kill? Yeah, I watched it. That was good.

It's a one-off. You see it? It's like an hour long. People think it's a movie. It's not a full movie. That was good. Yeah, I liked it. That was really good.

I liked it. Him and the Daredevil was good. Yeah, he was good. His first season was okay. Second season wasn't good. But that special was good. If you have to watch one thing, it's like 45 minutes to an hour. I did a watch along on the Matt Serra channel.

But I did. That guy's awesome with everything. John Berndto? Yeah. Walking Dead, he was amazing. He played such a good, creepy friend. Yeah. When he came back to life.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Shit, that was crazy. I met him a few times in real life. He's, you know, he can scrap a little bit. Yeah, he's a very nice guy. He was on the podcast. Enjoyed talking to him. Very smart.

Yeah. Interesting dude. Went to school in Russia. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, that's a weird place to learn acting, yeah. And just so you know, what we're on the topic, the punish is going to be in spite. Man brand new day that's coming out.

Yep. Is that movie? Yeah, the new Spider-Man movie. Those, they just keep swapping out Spider-Man. Yeah, but this Tom Holland's Spider-Man... He's yet to do a bad Spider-Man movie. He's good. There's no job security in being Spider-Man.

No, hell no. They got another dude waiting in the wings. Or there is job security. They just wore Toby McGuire back after 20 years. Yeah, it's not a bad gig. The multiverse thing. But the thing is about Spider-Man is he supposed to be like a college kid. Yeah.

Yeah, fortunately, this guy looks like a little kid. Tom Holland? Yeah. It's the origin store as he starts out as a like a college. Yeah, he's a high school. He might be a high school kid. Is he in high school? Yeah.

Yeah. And then his Uncle Ben gets killed and he doesn't save. He doesn't stop the guy. You know what else was fun? Was the Spider-Man the Wall? Yeah, I was pulling that up. Oh, yeah, I just. Jamie, me and you were right here, buddy.

Yeah, that's the Nicholas Cage one. Yeah, I watched that too. That was fun. Yeah, I thought it was pretty good. That looks dope. I thought it was good. And you can watch it in color. or black and white, they give you the option.

Yeah. Nicholas Cage is a fascinating dude. He's another guy's been around forever. He's the good Nicholas Cage in this. Yeah, yeah. For sure. You're like, oh. Well, I think after that

Pascal movie he did, his name was in the title. It's like, I don't know, being Nicholas Cage. Right, right, right. That movie brought him back. It was like Pulp Fiction for Travolta. Right.

It kicked him back off again. What is that movie? It was a great where Pedro Pascal's like a drug dealer, who's a big fan of Nicholas Cage's. Oh. And he winds up like hiring him to come to his house to do something.

And then he gets cages hemmed up in the cartel business. The unbearable weight of massive talent. That's what it's called. Is that it? Is that the name of it? Yeah. Yeah, there it is. See, being Nick fucking Cage.

So that's a... Great B-plus. That's not bad. That's pretty good. It was good. I'll probably check that out. I watched part of it. I never got through the whole thing.

It's just busy. But it looks hilarious. Yeah, it's pretty. That was just hilarious. You know, you're like an actor, and you get these gigs. Like, because people do things like that. They'll, like, show up at people's houses and parties. Like, someone wants to pay you a million dollars to go to Dubai.

And you're like, okay. So then they fly to Dubai. Then they have dinner with people to hang out with them and meet them, and people just cut them a check. Damn. Yeah. Where can I get that? I know.

It's weird. Yeah. It's, uh, there's, you know, so like Nicholas Cage, like, that probably would happen where the cartel guy was like, that guy is my favorite. Like, remember when, I mean, Sean, Penn met El Chapo. Right. He was hanging with El Chapo

and did an article for Rolling Stone Magazine where he talked about meeting El Chapo in Mexico. No shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You don't remember? Do you remember when Connor was wearing the El Chapo shirt and he tried to do

the pictures just like El Chapo did? Those were the pictures that he did with Sean Penn. No shit. Yes, that's the shirt. That's what Connor, what Connor's doing that? That's what he's doing. He's mocking. That's hilarious. Speaking of Connor,

how well does he do next week? Boy, we're going to find out. We're really going to find out what's going on if it gets into the second and third rounds. That's what we're really going to find out. We'll know immediately. We'll know immediately. But I mean, whether or not he can really fight for five rounds.

I don't know if he can, man. With a great gas tank. After five years of tearing your body up? You don't know, right? Because it's all in a vacuum. Like there's some training footage of him, beating guys up that you've seen. But who knows what he actually has been doing? We know he's been partying, but has he also been, like, really training?

Because if he's been really training and he shocks everybody because he's still got his skills. Yeah. I mean, my God, if he somehow or another sparks out Max in, like, the first round, do you know how big he jumps? Oh, he's right back. Right back. Oh, right back. Like, right back. Him and Justin Gachy, the biggest fight in the history of the known universe.

That would be sick. They go for the BMF title at 1-7. Because Conner's like, I don't want to cut any weight. That would be crazy. My only concern is his size. Max struggled with bigger dudes. Like, Dustin the first time, then Max came back bigger, which we know because when he went back down,

he struggled with Erlovsky. You know, I mean, he went five rounds with Justin. So, like, I'm just waiting to see, is Connor able to put that fucking weight on him? and have a problem. Is he a bigger dude, though? They both fought at the same weight class. Yeah, he did start at 45.

You got a point there. When Max was fighting at 1.45 when he was a champion, he was walking around like 176. He's a big guy. He's a bigger guy. He's a big. I mean, I love Max, so. He looks good, man.

I follow Max on YouTube. He's got a great channel, so recording all of his training and all stuff he's doing. And, you know, you see him. He looks good, dude. He looks big. Dustin Porrier thinks Max might be bigger. Really?

Yeah. I mean, he's taller, and he says he's kind of thin, but he's got a bigger frame. He thinks he's going to be bigger than kind of. I mean, he came to my gym a couple times, and he's like my height. I think he made a big mistake going back to 45 after he did 55. Yeah, I agree. I think it's too hard. I think it's just too hard on the body.

And especially when he got, he was a thick 55 when he fought Justin. He looked good, man. He looked solid at that weight. I think him fighting at that weight he could actually fight. I think going down to 45, I think he was fighting. It looked to me like he was compromised. Like, I think the weight cut was just too much. Do you think the Justin fight and Max is different

if he doesn't get caught with that kick early in the face? You know what I'm saying? I would like to see that fight without Justin's compromise. Right. But, I mean, that's the beautiful thing about moves like that. Yeah, that was the intention. Right, could have been a K of it. Right.

It shattered the bones of his nose. Right. Yeah. So that for sure. I mean, but then you know, you see the way Max looked at 1.45 when he fought Elya. But then you got also factor. Also, he's fighting Elya. And Elya is so fucking good. Like, you look bad. Like, there's a lot of guys who don't look. He glanced combinations on people and a lot of guys look bad. Doesn't mean they're bad. I'd like to see Max and Justin again if Max pulls it off. But then again, like, what are you going to do for Elya? Like, if Elya wants a rematch, like, could you justify that? I don't believe so.

I think you give him Patty if Patty wins. That's what I think. That's what his next fight should be. I think Patty wins. You think Patty wins? Wait a minute. You think Patty beats I think Patty beats Ilya? Oh, okay.

To get to Ilya. I think he gets hit way too much to beat Ilya. Well, Ilya's sharp. He's so sharp with his strike. I rewatch that fight again. Yeah, I like Patty in this one. St. Denise is not an easy. I don't think he's easy.

San Deney is a beast. I just think his Patty striking is a little better. and his jiu-jitsu is better. I think the only place St. Denis has the advantages into the wrestling, just my opinion. I don't know, man. San Deney switched camps and then made that big adjustment after he lost to, who'd he lost to Moikano? Yeah, after Moikano fight.

He's looked a lot better. If Patty puts him on his back at all, like, I don't, does St. Deney train off his back because it didn't look like it in that Moikano match? Patty and Ilya would be huge. Hell yeah. Because they have history, too. That's the fight. Yeah.

That'll be a meta fight you make. Do that shit in London. I think that's the right comeback fight for Ilya. And also. Do that shit in England. Joe's like, I'm going. Oh, my God. Now I don't want to get caught in a riot.

Not for anything. Be careful. They lock you up for your social media when you get over there. They would too. They were shitting on Patty when he lost to Justin. And, you know, he got compromised also that first round. I believe he got poked in the eye or whatever else. Whatever case, he went five with him.

He went by with him and got battered and stood up to great shots. And he's going to come out of that fight better. He'll know, okay, there's more work to be done. There's holes I have in my game. There's places where I got caught. And he has improved over his, like when he first got there, I didn't really think much of them. But each time out, I think he gets a little better. Yeah, dude, for sure.

It's just Justin's in. Yeah, he's a dog. He's a dog. He's my favorite fighter rat, you know, been for a minute. Yeah, no doubt. Because he's just always in a great fight. insane and especially after you see that second round when I

rewatched it again when Ilya was putting it on him in that second round I'm like oh those liver punches I know like how does he come back from this if he more than one too so beautiful though too like the way he delivers those shots just clean, wham you know who else does it like that

Aaron Pico yeah he does great great body work yeah 100% I'm glad that he's got to show his stuff he looked great he looked great Yeah, Pico is... That was one of those guys I was fighting pit bull Who's like, you know, a real legend

But the way he mixed it together, the striking and the wrestling Was really good He just got crazy in his debut And he just got a little just too hyped up A little too aggressive against a guy Who's way too skilled Yeah

You know? He's a hunter Yeah You know, he's a guy love that he's so aggressive But that was a great comeback fight You know what I mean? Because it shows that That he's still in there you know

You get worried when you see people get their lights put out like that. You're like, oh, they can never be the same? And then when you see him come back into a fight like that, it's being so intelligent. Yeah. That's a good sign. But he has to make sure his defense is always good because his chin is still suspect.

Regardless of how good his skill is, he still don't have a chin. Well, he's been knocked out a bunch of times. You know, I mean, after a certain amount of times, it's easier to get knocked out. And you've got to know he's been knocked out and training. I always believe part of your chin is believing you can't be knocked out. and then when it happens to you that first time, instead of when you get your bell rung,

you bite down on your mouthpiece. Now you're like, oh, shit, not again. Like, I think mentally it's different, you know? There's something to that probably, but then there's also like a... Well, if you get hit on the button, you get hit on the fucking button, you know?

It's like certain shit that violates your beliefs. Yeah, it doesn't matter. Nobody twice. I see Red, bro. It's a clang. It's in Barboso, wheel kicks you. I remember that one, And that was in Brazil, and Edson Barboso.

Terry Adam? Yeah, he had a good one too. That's one of those where you go. I don't think that guy's ever going to be the same. I don't think he was the same after that. No. I thought it right then and there, I was like, I think that was too hard. It's a rat.

Yeah, that was too hard. That's a different shot. And you've seen it where guys, they get one, and then they're still in there, and then you see them get a couple, and then next to you know, their chin is gone. It's just, it's not, and listen, Chuck Liddell is mentally strong. You know what I mean? No, for sure. Being like, I wonder if this is going to, you know, that's just his body's saying, his body's trying to protect him.

Yeah, his body's saying enough of this. And it's also the, apparently it's the lining inside your brain, all that fascia tears over time and repeated head traumas and just there's a lot of swashing around. So when you get dinged, your brain is literally going without shock absorbers, bouncing off the inside of your skull. That might not be the technical way that the neurosuration would describe it. Hey, man, listen, all those height jokes, I was like a little armadillo. I was at the top of my head. I was covering that little motherfucker.

Unless I'm running to a back fist, I was okay. That's right. But it's so funny how everything just evolves. When I got stopped with the first, I was the first guy ever to get stopped with a back fist. And when I did, the people were like, yo, this guy must suck. Nobody gets stopped with that shit. Now you see it on every car.

People getting stopped with backfist. Dude, we used to have these. conversations like Eddie Bravo and I at the beginning of the UFC about stuff that works that's not in there yet like what about this what about that and you know the big one that I missed on what's that front kick to the face before Anderson Silva front kick v toward the face I'm like that shit doesn't work nobody does nobody does that yeah no hard to land yeah then it's I don't even know why I thought that you say you really thought that for a little bit because I was like it's not worth it

I was like that move it's so powerful to the body I was like that's really where you should use it because you could land it's a big target and you can really fuck a guy up. You get your most power with a front kick going straight. And I was like to the face, it's like too hard to hit. I don't know what I thought that way. Machita. Yeah, Machita and Randy. Yeah, Machita and Randy.

I think it was like Vitor first. Or Anderson Vitor first. I think that was the first one when we saw a real spectacular front kick knockout to the face. But then it was Machita and Randy and then a bunch of people started doing it. And then front kicks of the phrase became like a spam. Thanks, thanks Sensei Segal for that.

How about Michael Chandler, Tony? Tony's on. Oh, yeah, that was a big, bro. That might be one of the worst ones ever. Yeah. Or Cheeto Rivera, Frankie Edgar. Oh, yeah. That was another one.

Front kicks to the face are brutal. I just didn't see that coming. I really, because in martial arts tournaments, most people were throwing them to the body and not throwing them to the face, even in kickboxing. Not a whole lot of guys are throwing them to the face. You know, with Michael Chandler, I remember talking to him. He said he didn't even practice that.

He just says he just saw the opening and just threw the kick. That's wild That's so crazy I think too once a A successful technique gets out there And people see it Then all the sudden Hey I can fucking do that

Yeah 100% He had a rough outing the last one Mike Yeah that's a tough fight man I mean that was a bad matchup That's Dayna is saying Mike it's time for you to retire Mike is 40 Huffy is in his prime And he might be the scariest striker

At 175 rather By the way, giant for 55. I know. Gigantic. Like, rangy. Yeah. Good movement. Slick.

He's fucking good. Bro, he hit him with like three wheel kicks. Yeah. Yeah, he was just, I mean, it was target practice. It's crazy how good he is. And you talk about that taekwondo movement. He has that. Exactly.

But with boxing hands. So it's crazy. Yeah. You know, I mean, got to tighten up the wrestling in the jihitsu, and that's why he lost to Ben Wausen-Sentini. Yep. Yeah. But that was a good learning experience.

Yeah. When you see a guy who's that good, fucking. everybody up, you know, the way he put out King, ooh, Jesus. That was real bad. He does it like a video game. And, and Fiziz. And I thought that was going to be.

And Fizib. I thought it was going to be a decent. And by the way, the Fizib knockout, apparently he was, like, sick as a dog before the fight. They were talking about pulling out of the fight. No shit. And he just took the fight anyway and had one of the best performances of his career. But that guy's, he's elite.

And training with Volkinovsky? I know. Only going to make him better. Perfect. For sure. What better guy? Like wrestling strong, like animal featherweight that was like the king for so many years, won the crown again. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Stick around with that guy. He'll show you how to get up. He'll show you how to not get taken down. And Volcanowski, you know, he don't have much left in them in terms of fighting. Right, so he's going to want to coach guys. Yeah, he's going to want to, like, pass it on. Yeah. And you got the perfect guy to pass it on him.

He's got a great fight IQ. Yeah. Very well-rounded, too. Volcano. Yeah. Yeah, I think he's one of my favorite in terms of life. Yeah, he really grew on me. I didn't like him because of Max.

You know, I was always rooting for Max, but, you know, he's earned my respect. That guy's just, he's good. He's good everywhere, too. He really is. The dude I got my eyes on the most is Carlos Prakis. I got my eyes on him the most. He's so accurate. That Jack Delamottalino and K.O. was crazy.

Jack is so fucking good, and he's so tough. And you watch Carlos just tee off on him? He really did. Look like target practice for him against him. He was having fun. I know, that's the worst part. Morales is a savage too still. I know, but that fight,

but save that fight. Morales versus Prattas, saved that fight. Wait till it's ready. Not yet. It's like, don't pull the brisket out of the smoker just yet. I was telling Matt, I saw some grappling,

like, footage of Morales, and, I mean, he looked pretty fucking good. Well, he has a wrestling background, and if there's a way he's going to get, protest, is going to probably be a combination of those things. Because protest just wants to stand. Yeah, of course.

And he's built like, like, if you had an engineer, like a long-range striker, he's built like a mosquito. He's just big, he's all legs and arms. Oh, and he's so accurate. He had his best round, the fifth round, versus Ian Machado Gary. Yeah. He came back like a bad out of hell.

And really had him hurt bad. He might get out pointed, but he's, he's calm in bad positions, and he's always fucking dangerous. That was the last, Are you thinking maybe he's a chain smoker or something that he's, or he smokes cigarettes? The fifth round, man, he had Ian in trouble. He's good, dude. And he hit so fucking hard.

When he caoed Leon, I was like, whoa. Leon's good. He's a good striker. To kill Leon like that clean was crazy. They got a crazy room. Was it a fight nerds they called himself? And Hoofty was there. Yeah, yeah.

He trains with them and he trains with other people as well. Like, Prattes moves around. But he, you know, he had a giant moitai record, rather. I know shit. Yeah. Like, how many Muay fights did Carlos Prattes have? Like, world class. Like, I've watched a bunch of his just pure moitai fights.

And the comfort level that he has in their exchanging and moving and knowing where he's supposed to be and not to be, that, like, sensitivity that he has to, like, striking exchanges because world-class moitai is such an advantage. Yeah, I would favor him. if he fought Ian Gary again. Perhaps because he knew he hurt him. Yeah, yeah. He knows he has to try to get it on him. Yeah. You can't point fight him.

Do you think that Islam's going to just have his way? Or do you think Ian Gary has a shot there? He definitely has a shot. I mean, Ian... So he had 29 Muay wins, five losses. So 34 Muay fights. And like high level, man. You watch him fight and you're like, okay, this guy, he can fucking...

He knows. where to be, where not to be, and he knows how to, like, piece people up, man. It's like, when you have that hide-let... We've seen it so many times with these guys that, like, world-champing... Like Alex. See these world-champian kickboxers,

they entered to M-M-A. Like, nobody has a chance standing with them. It's like, it's too scary. Yeah. And that's what you're seeing with Carlos. It's like, fuck, man. Like, what he did to JDM? I was like, holy shit.

I mean, he was having fun. He was just planning with him. Having a good time. Beating the shit out of the former world champion. Having a good time. just smashing him. Had him screaming from calf kicks. Yeah.

Yeah. Whereas he went to his corner and they're like, no, ah, don't fucking scream. They're telling him to not scream. Oh, you didn't just get kicked in the same spot six times. Fuck you. You know how tough that dude is? His nose is on the left side of his face. And you're saying that guy, toughen up?

That's a fact. That was one of those. I had him when he was getting him up. against the cage, I was fucking flinching. I'm like, hear it, it's coming. Because you just, you know it's coming, but you just don't know where it's coming from. And those knees to the body are so nasty.

Prataz is so nasty. He's so good, man. And he's getting better, too. And now he's starting to do this shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's feeling it. He feels like he's the best guy in the world. Yeah, I feel like he's the scariest guy in that division. I think so. He's the

scariest, but it doesn't mean he's going to be the best. Right. The bottom line about Islam is no one's able to get away from him. He gets a hold to you. He's very good standing up now. And he gets a hold to you, you're at Fuxville. He has a different kind of wrestling. Different kind of grappling.

Well, if he can't keep him off of him, I don't see how he beats him on the ground. His submissions are fucking insane, too. He's just got a vice grip, man. I know. Everybody that he rolls with or everybody that he fights, rather, they all say, I've never been grabbed like that. Never felt anybody that strong. Who's at Islam?

Islam. Yeah. I don't know if it's the same at 70, but he's so big. I can't imagine it's not. It's not like he's a little 70. Yeah, because he's tall and he's got a good frame on him. I think he's going to be better at 70 because it's not going to be depleted. Because when I would stand next to him in the Octagon when he was the 55 pound champion, I'd be like, how?

How do you weigh 55? That doesn't even make any sense. You're 190 pounds right now. Guaranteed, if I put you on a scale, you weigh 190. You're fucking so big. I think Ian's going to make it competitive early, you know, because he's got good footwork. He moves side to side really good. He's long.

He's long. But if he gets taken down twice and then it becomes a habit of him getting taken down, he won't get back up. He won't. If. But the thing is, if Ian Gary can get off sharp combinations early, he could stun him. Yeah. Because Ian can move. He's fast as fuck.

Fast as fast as fuck. And he's super accurate. And the way he throws his strikes is like real clean. No fat in his mood. Pop-pah! Everything is like, ta-da-ha-ha! He doesn't have a... Very responsible.

Yeah, he's not like a physically overpower. guy, it's technique. His technique is sharp. Did you see his interaction at time with Kamsat? Yeah. What are your thoughts on that? There was a little too much of a pat on the back.

That's what the fuck I'm talking about. Comzot wasn't wrong, and I like Ian. I don't know against them. There's like a pat on the back where they're kind of halfway hissed. Yeah. He went up to him like, oh, what do you know? You're trying to check him?

You know, you got something coming up. Oh, you feel strong. There's a weird thing when you hit me a little too hard on the back. Yeah. You know, there's a hug, and then there's a slap slap. Yeah, yeah. Where, like, there's a slap slap that's, like, a little aggressive. Trying to show some male dominance here?

Yeah, like you don't like me? What are you trying to do? You don't like me? Are you hitting me? You feel like, it feels like you're hitting me a little bit. Yeah. Like, if you hit a woman in the face like that, you go to jail. Right?

You're hitting me in the back, but if you're like, hey, where's my fucking spaghetti? And you double slapper in the back? I'll think right now, I don't even like, from so many right hands, See this little... Oh, Jesus. See this thing right here? That's bumping out. Yeah, it's broken.

I don't like... Yeah, I fucked it up on Shoney's head. But I don't like when guys try to... When you first meet somebody... And they try to squeeze the hand. And they try to squeeze... Dude, I want to smack them right there. Yeah.

Because it's, I'm like, because I feel pain with that shit. What are we looking at? No, he's talking about the Hamza. No, no, no. That's Shavkat. That's Shavkat. How dare you. I fell down the wrong...

Are you racist? Yeah, wrong. I started putting it in and then you think they all look to say. The Cazics. I'm like, what are we looking at? I hit it not like No, it was, Jamie, wasn't at a fight. It was like, they were all backstage.

Yeah, but I felt, I honestly felt bad for Hamzot trying to make 185. From all that I heard before the Strickland fight, like, he almost died. To make 185? Yeah, when he made 185, when he fought Strickland. Really? Yeah. He was apparently thinking that he was going to go up to light heavyweight. Oh.

And they were even talking about him fighting Yeri. Okay. And so he was preparing like he was going up to light heavy weight. And if you watch, he's another guy who's got a great YouTube channel. He details all his training. He was hanging out with that Calavita guy doing a lot of the cardio on strength. Here it is. Like he gave him, he was before that, though.

I think it was like, good job tonight, good job. And I think he slapped him on the back before that. Or maybe it was after. I don't know what it was. But it was enough. So like he's fine now. Like they seem cool. Oh, no, no.

Talking a little shit. Right here he gets pissed and pushes him. He's a champion, don't worry. So, yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, Hamza doesn't like... Well, I mean, he didn't give him that little squeeze on the shoulder.

Bro. Yeah, that was not necessary. Chechnya is not America. Right. Okay? The dudes that come from Chechnya, that is a war-torn country, and those motherfuckers don't play. Yeah, he read it right.

And the guy who runs it, is Hamzot's homie. Yep. Which is like, okay. So much so he lets him tap him out Yeah It's ridiculous But that's how it goes You know

You gotta do what you gotta do But I like the fight I think Ian has a real chance I do too I think early he does But if he gets If he gets taken down Repeated

He might just get smushed He might just get choked And smushed and choked I don't know He struggled with Chavkat on the ground He did But again that's a couple of years ago It's not like he's not getting better

I mean that dude He's smart Like he knows how to He knows how to get himself prepared for a fight. I just think he's got a, his edge is on the, you know, on the feet, obviously. So I think that's where he, if he's going to win, that's where he's real. I don't know why people don't like him. I love him.

He also, yeah. He also almost finished Shavcott with a red naked show if I remember correctly. Does that really? Yeah, he did. He did have Shokka back. Yeah, he had his back. Ooh, I forgot about that. I mean, he, that was the closest anybody came to finishing.

He also fucked up Shavkot's knee. He hit him with that oblique kick to the knee, and that's the reason why Shavkod had get surgery. Really? And he's had two surgeries since. Yeah. Like Ian even made a post about it. Yeah. Damn. That's so rude. So rude. This is why you had to get surgery. I think Ian made a post. I saw a post that maybe somebody attributed to Ian. But it was his work. I mean, look, it's a legal technique and he's really good at it. And the way he throws it, that oblique way sideways to the knee, that's fucking devastating. John Jones style. And he's long enough to do. He just kind of. Yeah, man, for sure. John Jones style. But he's like with his, the way he can move in with combination.

It's very hard to deal with. But even he had to fucking grab MVP's like, fuck on. I know, right? Yeah. Even him, yeah, for sure. That's what I'm talking about where you can't hit them. Yeah. And you're like, what am I doing here?

Well, see, but that's why like Ian, like in terms of, like, think about that. Like he's able to solve them problems. Mm-hmm. Like he says his IQ is so high he's beating guys like MVP and like the guys that other people, and Carlos Prattas, guys that other people can't beat. Very true. Very true. Look at there it is right there.

That's it right there. man. Can you back it up again so we hit it right there? Oh my God, dude. Damn, that's a fucked up. Look how bad that is. That's it right there. Boom. I used to do that in the wooden dummy. That's a wing chung. See, there you got. Those Wing chung works. It's a stompkin. It's real. It's real. Wing chung

works. Proof. Bro, Gary's no joke, man. He's fucking dangerous. And that style of being that tall is so hard to deal with. Matt, my short brother, you know what I'm talking about. Dude, let me tell you some. Especially at little trolls like us. They'd always try to latch onto my head. Yeah, it's just so hard to even spar with tall guys

because they can hit you from six inches further away than you can hit them. That's a lot of space. Yeah, you've got to come in behind that double, triple jab. I love the fact that you can do anything and you should be able to kick to the knees. I hate the fact that it blew his knee out. We really haven't seen him the same since.

We, I mean, he's been two surgeries now. Two surgeries. I think he had one fight after that, right? Did he have one more fight? He's had a, he's had a, what, didn't he have a bad car accident or something like that too? Did he? Yeah, uh, Shavcott? Did he? I thought so.

I don't know. Maybe I hope not. Or maybe it was just his family? Maybe, I don't know. I hope he's okay. I just missed the guy in the octagon. He's fucking good, man. Shafcott was good.

It's just like one technique can change your whole thing. Yeah, I thought he was coming back, like trying to rehab from whatever, from the accident. Oh, so was the accident? I thought, that's, I mean, look, he. obviously. Well, first it was a hurt for sure. For sure,

first he had ACL surgery before that. So he might have gotten an accident after that. Maybe that's what happened. Maybe he redid it. Fuck, dude,

that sucks. He's so good. But then again, it's like, this fucking sport waits for no one. These dudes are coming up. Coming up. You know what I'm bummed

that got canceled this weekend is Ethan Ewing. Oh, yeah. That kid's good, he's so good. Yeah, that was going to be a good. Yeah. He was fighting his backer slouch.

Yeah, yeah. He came onto the scene. And it was a short. A short notice fight versus Wellmaker at Madison Square Garden. Yeah. And Wellmaker, he's having a hard. Wellmaker's having a hard time lately. He lost his last one too.

And he's a better fighter than that. So he's a young kid. So we'll see the best from him yet. Well, he came out so spectacular. Wellmaker did. He looks so good in his debut. And he looks like he's, you know, and on the contender series. He looks like he's really good.

But fucking Ethan, you know, slick. He's really good. He's really good. And he's another guy. Like we're talking about. like this new breed of guys, like the San Hagan's. He's constantly switching stances, constantly giving you different angles and directions. It's like very hard to pattern them.

Is he on the counter card too, right? He was on the-San-Hagan is, yeah, San Hagan is fight, Batista. Yeah, but he was, Ethan was on the card, and I think they pulled him off. Yeah, the dude he's fighting was undefeated. What's, there it is, Basarat. Yeah, fuck. And Basharat's good. Yeah, that was a...

That's a really good fight. He's tall, rangy. That would have been interesting. Can you see the rest of the card? He's injured. He'll be back. But I like the fact that he's not fighting injured, too, because it's a pretty significant injury. And so when these guys, they say, fuck it, I'll just do it.

And then you have one loss. And then that loss leads you, you know, your career can go down a weird road. Pretty good card. It's a very good card. Benoit and Sandini and Patty Pimble. That's right. And then Carter Maxis is on this one too, right? Yeah, there was going around that he was going to fight Josh Hokit.

I was like, please don't make that be true. Yeah, shh. But he's a minus 2,500. Robert Whitaker and Nikita Krilov is good, too, man. Robert is going from 170 to 85 to now light heavyweight. Isn't that crazy? And he's not that big. Not that big?

No, he's like six one? Not even. No? No. Six. How tall is Robert? Six feet tall? Yeah, six.

So he's a, I mean, he's a thick fella Yeah Definitely got to be walking around at like 2.30 or something like that But these guys are so tall and so rangy And that fucking Nikita Krilov guy can kick Yeah, he's a legit 205 or two He's 407 Cody still?

He was lighten up Yeri in that fight before he got caught, remember? Yeah He was lightening Yuri up man Yeah Cody, I don't think it's time too Cody Garberant Adrian Yanyas man he went through a bad streak too but that dude's very skillful very good boxer yeah he looked

good in his last what's Cody doing too what is this thing on his eye she angry that he's good looking yon yez is yeah he's got to doctor it up the kids these days they like face tattoos he's he's at yonye's 450 um favorite that's what's saying like kodi's chin man he's just been too many times too many times well that's an age thing too i mean Cody's not actually that old I think he's He's only like 33. How old is Cody Garbrant? 33? No, he's got to be older than that.

I don't think he's old. No, I don't think he's old. I think he started his career, 34. Oh, my God. Yeah, see, I think he started his career really young. Dude, fucking Max. 35 now? Oh, July 7?

Oh, so next week. Max started. He was, what, 19? This guy's still getting it. Yeah, well, you know, when I interviewed them for the UFC at the White House, which is the most ridiculous thing in the world, I'm sitting there in this, like, beautiful, adorned. room with like gold on the ceiling and shit like that

on a chair with a camera in front of me and then there's a monitor here that's Connor and there's a monitor there that's Max and they're arguing with each other you won't lay a glove on me it's like there you go there you go it was crazy to see the two of them

going back and forth it's fun seeing Connor come back man I know he's fun I mean he is the world's crazy shit-talker he cracked me up man he was cracking me up I can't wait till a fight week It's going to be amazing. Yeah.

Look, I hope he looks great. I hope it's a good fight. But, you know, it's a tall order to take on Max Holloway after he was just the BMF champion. He beat Dustin Poirier. Yeah, he lost to Ilya. But, like, you look at the wins that that guy's had in his career and how he's looked since their first fight. This is a totally different human being. Yeah.

This is a world champion, like, one of the all-time featherweight greats. I think if Connor don't knock him out early, he's in for a long night. Max can fight with no. No weight cut, no weight cut, Max might never get tired. People are saying like, oh yeah, but what about moving up where? I'm like, that's great for him. He don't have to cut no weight for him. It's great for both of them.

Listen, this is the future. I would hope. I would hope guys would abandon weight cutting. I really do. And I think the UFC should accommodate it by letting go with these ridiculous weight limits. Let's just find out what guys weigh. Let's find out what guys weigh and like have them fight. Have them fight with their way.

Does one still do that? I mean, that was the way to go. Where you went at the beginning of the year and then like this is where you're going to fight. If I, I would run things like one because they also allow steroids, allegedly. I might have just made that up. I don't want to get slanted. I don't want to get sued. I don't think they.

I think they have, I think they have drug tests at one. I think it's like a multiple choice. Multiple choice. I want guys to take testosterone. I want them to take peptides. I want them to take everything they have. I want to give them a hyperbaric chamber. Like, let's go for it.

And then just release them. Yeah, release the hounds. I want them to take the best. fighting that's humanly available. The old fucking pride days. Yeah, that's exactly what it is. I want the enhanced games, MMA bouts. Yes.

But with Connor and Max, one guy, even in his prime, Con has always shown signs that, you know, his insurance was never the best. He's a sprinter. And Max is, man, he's the guy in the last round. He's winning a fight. Max is still sprinting. Yeah, he's fresh.

His fifth round is as good as just. his first. Max's discipline is beyond compare. Like that motherfucker trains hard. You might train just as hard, but there ain't harder. There ain't harder. The craziest one was when he put it on Calvin Cater, and he was just talking. Yeah, yeah, we were there.

I'm the best boxer in the UFC. It was so crazy. I was watching that cage side, and I see him looking away talking and hitting them was just something. Bro, how about Brian Ortega when he was fighting him, showing him how to keep his hands. He grabs him, grabs his hand and puts it by his head. No, dude like this. He can block it and then pops him with a jab again.

Bro. Max Holloway's a bad motherfucker, dude. 100%. You know, I think it's going to be interesting to see. Look, Connor in his prime was elite. Connor Eddie Alvarez, if is that Connor right now fighting Max? I'd be like, holy shit. Yeah, that's different.

That's different. But can he regain that form? Right. We don't know. I mean, he's a special dude. Look at this. Just pop. talking shit to him.

Dana was losing his mind over there. There's also COVID so you could kind of hear him. Yeah, 100%. Oh, look at that. Look at that right here. Look at it. He won't even looking at it. It was slipping shit. I'm the best boxer in the UFC. Look at this.

Bro, he's such a bad motherfucker. And if he starts talking to Connor like that in the middle of the fight and teeing off on him, if Connor gets tired, it could get rough. Look at his last fight with Dustin. Yeah. The difference is Connor, I don't give a fuck if he's 39, I don't care how old he is. That dude's

got the touch. He's got the touch of death. And he's very accurate. He's accurate and he's fast as fuck. And when he's sprinting, when he's sprinting, he moves quicker than anybody. And it's like, you can't do that for five rounds, but if he does it and cracks you, you're on Fuxville. Look what he did to Aldo. Who have fuck's ever done that to Aldo?

That's the touch. Do you think there's any chance that Connor wrestles him? I think Connor might try to wrestle him a little bit. So what Nate said, all of a sudden, he wanted to turn into a wrestler. Maybe looking at that and then maybe seeing it. I don't see that. I think Max has got to put it on him a little bit, and then he'll shoot because he's not in it for war.

That's going to get him even more tired. He did in his first fight. He wrestled. We say he's not in it for war, but he can surprise us, man. Like, you know, the humiliation of losing that second fight to dust him with a broken leg and sitting there and having to go out for all the other. Who knows how he responded to that? Obviously, he did a lot of part.

We don't know what kind of training, you know, and if he really is still the Connor McGregor that had something to prove when he entered into the UFC and he can get himself into that mindset and get through a camp with that mindset, who knows, man? I mean, he definitely looked, focus as fuck when I was talking to him in the interview. It doesn't really mean anything until you actually see him move around. But if he really prepared himself correctly, he wants to make a stand and show that he could still do it, this might get wild. But if that's the strategy Fuck man If he's worried about his endurance already Or if that's a question

If that's the strategy It's not like he's gonna take him down And just smoke him Max has a ground game Look what he survived With Charles Oliverera So it's not like he's gonna take him down And just smoke him

Right I would like to talk to Kavanaugh And see what was the plan Like how did you guys do How long was the camp Like how did it start What was he doing before the camp? Yeah so I had talked to Laura Sanko

Who interviewed Kavanaugh Oh, okay. And she said that he wouldn't say it, but he kind of alluded to that wrestling might be a part of the game plan. Well, that might be a ruse. Yeah. Yeah.

That might be to lure. Because the way that Charles handled Max in the last fight was crazy, but also that's Charles. That's what I'm saying. Nobody else took Max down like that. Nobody. Charles is a fucking monster on the ground. Charles is Charles.

He's so good on the ground, man. Max had to survive some shit that other people would have tapped. And then here's what's crazy. Islam smushed him. I know. Right? Right? There's crazy levels to this sport.

Islam smushed him. I know. He got him to the ground. Made him look bad. Made him look bad. He was just smush. He was tapping like immediately. He was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I can get none of this.

I'm going night night. That's how good he is. I mean, his squeak, when he got Drew Dober in half guard, when he got the arm triangle from half guard, he was like just, there ain't no half guard here. This is just smush. Yeah. Pressure. That pressure is fucking phenomenal. Incredible squeeze. Like, he just cuts off the blood.

Like, there's nothing you could do about it. That forearm grip Doris that he uses, do you fuck with that? I don't mess with that, but I don't know how powerful it is. Do you fuck with it, Matt? No, that was never my thing. The anacondes and the dorses. Because we're short-armed little... That's what the fuck it is.

To provide me with these things. You know? These are great for some things, but not for d'os is being long. But it should be better for y'all because, like, all you have to do is grip here. Yeah, I never talk. I tried it though, but I did used to like the Japanese necktie for the same reason. Because the Japanese necktie, when you're funneling under for, when you go for that underhook on the left arm and you get it behind the head, you cinch down like this. And then instead of trying to go all the way through and cinch it up as a dars, you take it from this position with this lever on the back of the neck and you tuck the neck into your chest.

Okay, yeah. And then you grab a leg, you grab a leg and you do this. Yeah. You're like lean on this shoulder. So once you cinch it up, as soon as you get this forearm behind the neck, the first thing, you're going to be. the first thing to do is you put your left shoulders to the mat. So your left shoulder, you drop down the mat. And usually they think they're going to spin out of it, but you're trapping the head and the chest.

Yeah, with your shoulder to the floor, right? There's a video of me, see, there's a video of me showing it to T.J. Dillishaw. We're at the Onet headquarters, and I'm showing it how to do it. It's great for short-armed dudes. Wait, you're on his back, you're saying? No, you're on the Dars position, right? So he's got the underhook, you funnel under, you get it behind the head. Once you get it behind the head, you use this lever, you pin that down on the neck,

And the first thing I want to do is put my left shoulder over on the top. So here it is. So here it is. So once you get to this position and you climp, I want to put my shoulder down. And then his head is trapped. Oh. Is that a neck crank? 100%.

It's horrible. Are you hipping in? Yes. And you usually grab a hold of a leg. They can just step over. It's right there. Jamie, back it up to where I'm showing it to him. And then I talk through it.

Back it up a little bit. Yeah, there it is. Give me some volume. Try this, though. On my left shoulder? My left shoulder. Yeah. So I'm all the way sideways.

Okay, yeah, yeah. So there's a tremendous... So you're hooking the leg even before you fall down too. Immediately. I'm tangling up with them. Exactly. Exactly. So as soon as I cinch my hands together, I'm hooking a leg.

Yeah. I want to tie them up. Yeah. I want to tie him up and I want to get him in a position where things are going to roll out of it like you will with the dars. Right. But you can't roll out of it. Exactly. Because I also because I'm trapping your head in my chest.

So you're just worried about me getting this, but I'm not even trying to get that. Yeah. I'm just getting to this. Can you some volume right here? Dude, that's a... Would you get it? See, people like when they put their legs in there. That's what he was just saying.

That's why it's like, it's really good. That crank's that neck. That Danny can steal? Yeah. Yeah. You very rarely see this in the UFC. And it's available too because also the gloves, they get in the way of certain chokes,

like definitely rear naked chokes. It's so hard to get the hand in the proper position with the back of the hand on the head. Does it matter which leg you step over? He stepped over the first. you stepped over the far leg when you get it. The far leg's better. You get better control, but it doesn't matter.

As long as you could tie him up and trap his head inside your chest. So once the head's in the chest, you're in a terrible position to defend because it puts your head of this nasty angle. Like the moment your head gets to that angle, so T.J. is showing like one of the ways that he does it. He's doing like a different grip. He's trying to different grip. I like my grip better. Well, it's not my grip. It's Eddie Bravo's grip.

But I like the grip better because you got the lever. So the thing is about having it go through This lever when you get this forearm On the back of the neck, that's a lot of power Yeah There's a lot of power that way So if you see how I'm doing I'm doing it like a little bit different

And he's his own your all on his head And neck T.J is cradling him almost So he did it that way now Like in that time Now he's doing it the right way That's nasty And then once it gets in the chest Yep trap the leg

He can trap either leg The whole thing is just trapping the head You just want to make sure you have contact with his body so his left legs or his legs rather can't spin out. You don't want him spinning out because then his head's going to get free. It's nasty. But it's just I don't see it in MMA and I don't know why because it's available when guys are trying to get the dars and they can't get it.

Like there's a lot of times the legs are tangled up and it's horrible because you have this level. You remember when Khabib tap Connor and everybody's like, oh, you didn't even, there wasn't even in. He was doing that same shit, but he was doing across the neck on the back. It's going to break his jaws. Fucking horrible. It's going to break your neck, man. And that's what that feels like. But that's even worse because it's sideways.

And you got your body on it. Yeah. But the worst that I've never seen in the UFC is the executioner. I don't think I've ever seen anybody get that rear, that, you know, you're in the back mount and you reach over and you go guillotine from the back. Yeah. What did somebody get said like that the other day? Well, that was the Scottish. Oh.

Scottish Swister. The Scottish Twister. That's different. It's different. It's similar. Yeah, it feels like... Scottish Twisters is a little different. It's still nasty as fuck.

That's the leaning back, right? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's horrible in your neck back. Anything that attacks the spine and the fucking... Oh, they're horrible. But I think the executioner's... The executioner's the worst. Because you've got rear naked hooks and you've got the head back this way and you're

going like that. Yeah, it's nuts. That's nuts. Yeah. Now, that's a catch wrestling thing, right? Oh, that? I don't know, man. That sort of started popping.

up at 10th planet at least like in the 2000s like 2003 or 4 Epstein likes to call it the Epsecutioner but he wasn't the only guy doing it like other guys had figured it out so you're in north-south which a lot of guys you know that was back in the north

God yeah this is it right here bro this is holy hell when you're in rear naked choke position but you have the arm wrapped like that the amount of pressure on the spine is just crazy it's crazy you can Paraly someone.

100%. Should I tell a fucking Long Island knucklehead, they'll be fucking making sure everybody sign a waiver on that. Look at how nasty this is. Like it's such a bad position to try to defend. You have no strength to defend it. Yeah, that's a rap.

Hell. That's a rap. It's hell. And I don't see it in the UFC and I don't understand why. I think it's available. I think some guys could get this. I mean, not always. But there's a lot of times you're trying to fight the rear naked choke or you're trying to the ring and get a truck with the guys defending.

And if you switch to something like this, if you could find a way to get into a position like this, you're not going to defend that, man. Well, the truth is that a lot of guys in the UFC or an MMA in general don't really practice jujitsu from that standpoint. Right. They do anti-jitsu because they think

that their chances of winning a fight on their feet are better. Right. So their idea is just like, defend it, take down, get back to my feet. Yeah. Or just use basic jiu-suits. So, like, stuff like this that's available to them, they don't know it.

Or they don't practice it enough for it to be instinctive for them to do it. The fact that they're just trying to get up to their feet's the first problem. Right? Yeah, that's it. Yeah. Because look at Gilbert Burns versus Damian Maya. Right.

When he matches jujitsu a little bit, then he finds the opening. If he doesn't match his jitsu, he'll use that. But then he has to move a certain way. He gives enough space to get to his feet. God, I got to remember this guy's name. The guy who's the Belator champion is from Ukraine. He's fighting in the UFC now once Amazon. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, you're a Slav Amosov. What's that? He's good. I knew that was the name and I didn't want to fuck it up. I was panicking. It's not easy to, yeah. Well, you know when I really panic? Way in days.

You look at my face. Are you really? I'm in a hot panic. I'll be feeling for you sometimes. Like, man, he's going to forget the name. You don't bring the paper up with you or nothing. You do. I do.

I have to. I have to. Not only done, I have to listen to these fucking names over and over and over again. Fucking some of that shit's coming. And you know, John. And you know, John McAmagh, Cherapov, right? And Annette going to be mad at you if you mess it up. He's so good at it.

Yeah. I don't know how you do that. He should be doing it. I should just give the microphone name. He'll introduce the guy. I'll just interview people. He's the best at naming the names. I do that all unfiltered.

I go, hey, Jimmy, who do we have next? This is a fucking crazy name. I just get the first name down. Yurislav is good. Yeah, he's good. He's good. His ground game is so sweet. Did you see him fight?

Which show? You see. Pull up his last fight. Yeah, he beat a right of Joe. Yeah. But you go back it up a little bit. so you can see the takedown, watch how he does this. Look at how beautiful this is.

Bro. It's all in the hip. I mean, right into arm triangle. Look at this. Wow, that's a... Bro, and then he goes knee to the belly too. Just crushing him. Did you see his setup for Neil Magny?

Yes. Oh, man, he's so smooth, man. He's smooth. He's smooth. Dude, he put it on, Neil. Yeah. And then he break dances afterwards. Oh, he break dances.

Gotta have something. Oh, actually, look at that, man. It's pretty good. Yeah. That guy can move. And that guy's really good. He's dangerous. Old Sean Alvarez, he would be doing the windmill.

He has one K.O. loss. That was Jason Jackson. Yeah, Jason Jackson knocked him out. He just put it on him. Jason Jackson just murdered him. Just like ran across and beat him up. Yeah, I was talking to Big John and Josh Thompson on the podcast. They brought him up.

That he's like the most unheralded, the most underappreciated of the guys that are out there. Jason Jackson? Yeah. Yeah. So that's a problem when you're not in the UFC That is And if the U.S. he picks him up I mean it's gonna be kind of late

He had to dig through the rubble of his house To get his belt back Geez that's nuts man That's crazy That's nuts Put shit in perspective real fast Holy shit dude How bad did he want that belt

For real right? I mean this dude went back to a war zone To get his belt A bellator A bellator belt Christ imagine of his UFC belt I don't love that bullfucking hour That's so crazy

A fucking dude's good man There's so many good guys now It's crazy It's just a wild time for the sport man Yeah You know I like Big John You know one thing I don't like

That he does What? It always irks me What? Big John McCarthy I like When I won the title He was my guy

But I hate this Man As you fucking Savage as know when you're in there, you're in a certain mindset, right? You got a guy looking to do bodily harm to you. You're looking to fucking take him out any way possible. If there's a foul or something, now you're in this mindset.

So now you got this big fucking guy. Hey, what do you see? You see ugly? Making jokes. Oh, yeah. Okay. Let me go back to this guy trying to kill me, Big John. Good one, Big John.

What the fuck? Really? You don't like a million jokes in the middle of us. Hey, how about this? How about you go to the mothership? Do you bring out to Tony? How about you take your name in the hat? You take the name out and maybe he could use that on Kill Tony.

I don't like that shit. Hey, fuck that. Every time he does it, there's something in me that makes me just be like, dude, is it about you? What the fuck's the matter with you? A good one, Big John. Oh. And you see the guys do it. Sometimes you see the guys go, oh, yeah, all right.

Dude, fuck that. It's the same as the guy looking to give you a high five out there. Fuck that, too. That's boring. So, I mean, I don't know, man. It always irked me and it just stuck out when his name came up. And he's not a bad guy. He's a great guy.

I love him. But how about this? Now that you're back refing, make a note of that, maybe. Make a note of that. I get it. Here we go. Someone's already claiming this is our year. Someone else said that last year too.

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Please enjoy our products responsibly. Yeah, I can imagine that I would fuck with your head. Right? He'd be like, man, make me listen to that joke. God damn. Fuck! I just got poked in the eye. They got poking.

What are you? You see ugly? Bro, I think they're getting a little bit better about warning people for fouls, but not better about taking points. They did for a little while. Yeah, right when it was hot and it was like, yeah. Yeah. One point.

And everybody was like, yeah. Crowd cheered. That's how it's got to be, folks. That's the new rule. The new rule should be. I poke one point. Don't poke eyes. You do this shit.

and you jab some in the eyes, one point. One point, one point. Right away, you know not to do it. Sometimes it happens. Unfortunately, if it happens, you get a point taken away. Don't let it happen. And you go back to your corner and go, make sure you don't do that again. Nutshot.

One point. Unintentional nunshot. It's a warning. Because you could kick while I'm kicking. You weren't trying to hit me in the nuts. You weren't trying to hit me in the nuts. We just collided legs. That happens all the time.

The rough one is the call. The call is the back of the head when you're trying to put a guy away. Because he's moving his head. You're trying to hit him. It's hard, man. That's hard. That's hard. And that spot is a lot smaller

to what most people think. Because we think about it, they just say the back of the head, so you're assuming that it's like anything back there. It's just a moho. It's just like a little smallest piece. Isn't that crazy, though? You kind of should be able to hit the back of the head.

If everybody had the old A. Osborne haircut, it'd be okay. Just don't get him in his hair. Bro, do you remember when Henzo far? What was his name, Rikers? Ben Rikers? Spikers. You remember?

Spikers. Spikers. And it showed if you're allowed to elbow the back of the head, the rear mount. Bro. When Henzel was dropping, bombs on him and then stepped on his neck. Steps on him on the way up. Put him to sleep with his jacket. I remember that.

It was awesome. The beating he gave him before he choked him to sleep. The beating in the back of his head. Stop calling my fucking room all night long. The guy was being a prick before the fuck. a piece of shit. He did what he did? Oh, yeah, he was calling his

fucking room trying to wake him up, like had his people harassing Henzo. He was a dick. And that's why Henzo went to greet him and he said, oh, you have eyes like my, my girlfriend, but they're prettier or some fucking, so right away, Hensel's one of those

guys that he can go from a smile to a fucking boehive two seconds. About the fucking throw it out. I mean zero to 100 real quick. Well, and you know, only if you're a dick. Oh, yeah, 100%. he's the nicest guy in the world. That position just shows you.

If you're allowed to do that. Yeah, this is before show before that. Watch what he does before. Here it is. Once he gets them back mount, watch this. Boom, man. I mean, dude, that's a wrap. You can only take, imagine that was in MMA.

Why? Now, here's the thing. Is that inherently dangerous? Is it that much more dangerous? I mean, what we're doing is already dangerous. Right. And it also is very effective. So are we removing a very effective technique that would end fights?

And if so, are we doing it to protect the fighter? Because if we are, why are we allowing a lot of other stuff? Why are we allowing flying knees? Why are we allowing sidekicks to the knee? Why are we allowing wheel kicks to the head, heels to the head? Hey, smack him in the face again. Yeah. Hey, nice fight.

Step on his neck. I mean, there's a certain amount of things that we already allow that are so bad for you. It's like, why don't you allow a shot to the back of the head? I need to explain to me like I'm a child. Like, why is it okay to slam your elbow full blast into someone's temple? Yeah, but not this spot. You could drive your elbow down into their eye socket. That's okay. But the back of the head is bad. But also, the back of the head's fine if you knock someone out from the back of the head and you didn't mean to, like a head kick. Like how many head kicks wrap around who hit the back of the head.

Wonderboy, and it's like his UFC debut. He goes over the shoulder, whack, back of the head, out cold. Yeah. That shit always works. The back of the head, brown kicks, that's a lot of the time where they land. This got me a title.

It's getting hit in the back of the head. It is a little different. How many times are like Ernesto who's knocked dudes out with back of the head head kicks in kickboxing? All the time. For sure.

I think that's how he knocked out Maurice Smith. I think he snucking around over the shoulder. older and hit him in the back of the head. I mean, I mean, anatomy's going to dictate that. That's what you're supposed to do. Right. So that's legal?

No one says, that's an illegal blow. My overhands, that's where they hit a lot. Fuck them. I'm facing you. What do you want me to do? This is what is part of the sport, right? No, if that's legal and you get a K-O-win, if you head kick someone, you land them in the back of the head, that's always happened.

Yeah. That's happened a hundred times. I don't know. It's weird, right? I mean, it's weird because, I mean, now we're playing with all these different rules and people don't like them, and it's just like, but, I mean, you got to draw a line somewhere, I suppose. See if you can find Ernesto who's K.O's Maurice. Less rules shows who's the better fighter at the end of the day.

But there's some rules that I'm like, okay, now you're getting a unrealistic, understanding of a position. Like when someone's in a turtle and you can't need of the head. Yeah, to me, that one should be eliminated right away. You should be able to need a guy in a head for that. Yeah, watch this. Look at that. There it is. Right at the back of the hand. Yep. Watch that again. Is it in slow motion? Is that what

it is? Watch how slick this is. Ernesto Oost was such a look how close he is too. Look at that. Oh, man. Crazy. Crazy. Crazy. That's like Billy Jack. Look at that. Yep. That's nice. You know, so if that happened in the UFC, everybody would cheer. You couldn't say, hey, that's an illegal blow. Right. Even

though, technically, that's the spot where they can constitute illegal blow. Yeah, that's illegal. That's illegal. And wheel kicks happen like that all the time. All the time, because it's coming from that angle from behind. Whippin' around, a guy tries to duck under, hits them right in the back of the head, and no one complains. Yeah. It's weird. No, the referee

never says, stop! No, striking to the back of the head. Never happens. Yeah. Ever. It's only when they're, like, turtled. On the ground. And they're, they're throwing arm punches. Yeah, which is the least powerful shot. Less powerful than a full kick to the head. But the reality is, if you were in that position

and the guy could throw elbows to the back of the head, that would be a wrap. In that same position where you're on a guy's back and you're doing this kind of shit, instead, if you're just back of the head, boom, boom. Like Henzo just did. Hey, man, what about head butts?

Right. Head butts, not even standing up. Right. Like, when I'm in a clinch and I'm buried in... It's good for sure. guys. I fucking love him. No, no doubt.

Are I getting that fucking pinch? Bro. When I getting that clinch? Mark Coleman would get in your guard and headbut the fuck out of it. And the only guy to solve that puzzle was Maury Smith. You will.

Mori Smith was the first guy to solve that puzzle. Ragged him out. Cardio and defense off his back. Good butterfly guard. Mark Kerr murdered Fabio Gersel with headbutts too. Bro, headbutts when you were on top is brutal. Yeah, I was at that Moody Smith fight.

That was the first fight I ever went to. The UFC fight I ever went to us in that. Birmingham, Alabama. Really? I was there, yeah. Wow. Bro, that was a huge upset. Yeah, I know.

Big time. I was nervous. I loved Maurice. I was nervous. I was in the crowd rooting for Maurice Smith for obvious reasons. Well, I was friends. And everybody, but I was the only one there. Rood for Mory Smith, yeah.

I was friends with Mores. Morse came over my house, worked out with him. I was cool with Mores. Nice guy. So I was like, I was sad. I was like, oh, my God, Morris is going to fight Mark Coleman. You're going to get killed?

I was like, he was like, he was too. 260 pounds. He's a wrestler. He takes everybody down. And then when Maurice was a leg kicking him, he said, come on, Mark, ground me and pound me, whop. Mm-hmm. Ground me and pound me, wap. He was talking to him while he was doing it.

And then when Mark would move towards me, move away. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Those leg kicks were brutal, too. Maurice was the first guy to bring, like, world-class leg kicks to the UFC. Yeah. World-class. Did the lines then guy? Oh, he said Pedro.

Yeah, Pedro. Yeah. Paul Varland's. He had sick. What's the lions? Pete Pete? Pete Zell? I mean,

I mean, he, he, Trago Cell? Pete Williams. Pete Williams? Pete Williams. He knocked him out. Who knocked him out first?

Yeah. I think Maurice beat him first. But Maurice beat him by decision, right? Wasn't it a five-round decision? I think it was a decision. I think it was a five-round. He just beat him up. Pete Williams called him with a kick.

Yeah. Pete Williams head kicked with shoes on. With shoes on. Yeah. That's right. He got hit him and shoes on. Yeah. What a crazy sport, man.

I remember one of the, first fights that I saw was this Japanese dude and Valiji and the Jai they were grabbing each other's like underwear like you could hold up they was giving him a wedgy I think the duty was fighting like was literally grabbing his shorts and like giving him a massive wedge yeah totally legal it was totally legal in the UFC it was bare knuckle back then too the first fight I worked was bare knuckle that was 97 I remember that V-Tor was the only guy that had gloves Was Vitor the first guy or Tank the first guy to where it works? The tank was one of the first guys, for sure.

Tank might have been the first guy. I believe he was the first guy. And then Vitor wore him too. Vitor was, you know, bro, at 19 years old, and Vitor first fought in the UFC, Tornado. I'm like, trai-tellingman fight.

Like, holy shit, dude. I mean, definitely pre-Dosada on that, 100. He looked like the fucking Hulk. Well, not yet he didn't. When he first fought in the UFC, he only weighed 200 pounds. When he fought Scott Farozo,

when he fought Trey Telegman, he weighed 200 pounds. Then he gained tons of weight and fought Randy. And when he fought Randy, he was like 240. And that messed him up, too. He could move. Oh, he was too big. What if Randy got cut in that one, remember? No, that was a different one.

That was in the UFC later on for the light heavyweight title. Yeah, cut his eye early. So this is like, so this is Trey Telegman. And Trey Teggman, if you're watching this, lost his check in a peck rather in a car accident when he was a baby. That's crazy. Yeah, crazy. He lost.

Oh, this is Brad Kohler. Yeah. This is a different fight. What is it going on here? Japan 1997. Oh, yeah. This is not Japan 97. It's UFC 12, actually.

Japan 97 was when Frank Shamrock fought Kevin Jackson. Remember any arm bar? Yeah, yeah. This was pretty crazy. This is a different card. It's Ultimate Japan 9. UFC 12 is the fight I was just going off night

You remember the number? Yeah Randy looks older there than he does that Peptides It's not It wasn't Japan though I was just heard you say something About Japan 1997 that's all I typed in

No No there's a Japanese fighter Is what I said He fought Waliji Valid Ishmael It was either UFC 12 or UFC 13 Waliid Ishmael Walee, Ishmael, UFC.

If you find that, you'll find it. And the dude was giving him a super wedgy. It was because you were totally allowed to grab shorts. You could punch guys in the nuts. Keith Hackney punching Joe Sond and his balls. Remember that? Dude, what about Gary Goodrich in the crucifix? Oh, yeah.

It's Paul Herrera. So here it is. Look what the dude's done to Luigi's pants. The Luigi's pants. Jesus. All the way up the crack of his ass. Because the dude had a hold of his shorts. I do remember this.

Earlier in the fight. Rather that be McKenzie Dern, he's given the way he too. But here, look that. Look at that. Look at that. Bro. Oil check.

Bro. That's what I'm saying. Look at it. Oh, my God. So this was my first UFC that it worked. Okay, so look, the Japanese guy has the gloves on as well. So Vitor had him on, but Viliji is bare knuckle.

Look, you're allowed to grab it back then. Look at the Japanese guy had gloves. Viliji's bare knuckle. It's hilarious. Isn't that crazy? He's really grabbing his balls. He's not grabbing his nuts. I think you could grab nuts.

It's got to be so uncomfortable. And look how he's grabbing the fence. It's like, yeah. Full on grabbing the fence. And Big John's trying to pry his hands away. He just grabs him again. He just don't even let go. At least back then, I guess you couldn't grab the fence.

So there was a rule. He's grabbing it again. Look at the grass. Look at the grab. That's the most blatant flippings grabbing of all time. I see ugly right there. Bro. Big John.

Get on it. John. John, slap his hands away, John. Do something. John. John. John, he's grabbing the fence. They really, it was like a suggestion back then.

It was not even a rule. You allowed to grab the fence by the I think he knocked his hands away. He was saying don't grab the fence, but only like a little. He's kind of not that enthusiastic about enforcing it. And it was like, as he was letting go already, he was like slapping his hand away. Yeah, that was the first UFC I worked. The rules back then were so weird.

Shoes, wrestling shoes. It's weird how you, you know, like wrestling shoes would change everything. You get so much more. grip on the cage. So much more ability to move. Yeah. But the wrestlers would love it. But also... More footlocks. That's what I was going to get to me. Yeah, that would be a problem. Oh, heel hooks be a real problem.

When I first started training, I remember with Cuckuck back in the day, he used to wear wrestling sneakers and stuff. And I'm never being like, you know, I wanted as much for the street as possible. I remember that was my mentality. So I'd wear the wrestling sneakers. I'm like, yo, fuck this. Guys are grabbing your foot. Yeah, yeah.

I'm like, oh, fucks that. It also, like, losing up arm bars and stuff. Like when you try to grab the foot and throw it over it. Now you've got a grip on something that's like text. Textile. Like you could hold on that motherfucker. A foot is, foot's hard to hold on to. They get sweaty and shit.

They're all slippery. No good. Yeah, when I hear of Hens Pover, I was like, he's going to wear shoes? Right. Oh, word? That was, hey, Jamie, can you find Dean Thomas's Rolling Kneebar on Jen's Pover? Oh, it was beautiful. I bet they don't even have that.

I think Jamie could find out. Oh, it has to be online. Everything's on. Hey, Dean Thomas. Those fights? Those old fights? I mean, those are history. I'm a shudal fighter, you know.

I remember seeing that interview because I was... You remember seeing it? I studied it because I was gonna fight you. Oh. And I'm like, ah! Try that knee bar on me, motherfucker. Jens Polver had some laser beam punches back in the day. I know.

I remember when he knocked out John Lewis. Ooh, I was like, I gotta fight this guy. Sure, that was a bad one. Jen's pulver could crack. You got him, he could crack. Did not want that guy punching me. Yeah, you can't be wearing shoes. It's just...

Yeah. It's just too much. Too much of an advantage. That was an old school one, too. You did it almost like you're going to give you a back to him and you fucking roll. I think you should let it. Look at this. Look at this. Here it is. Look at this. Look how it's lean. Oh, man, this is nasty. Inside heel hook with shoes on. That's a rap. That's the worst. Tap, tap, tap. You should have tapped a long time ago. Thomas. Oh, my God, that must have hurt.

Thomas. What did it feel like? Did you feel a bust? Oh, I heard all the pop. How bad was the injury? I don't know. I never called him afterwards, but... It had to be real bad, dude. It had to be real bad. With the shoes and everything?

Like, my God. Look at that, Dean Thomas? Like how you rolled into that. That's so pretty. Look at you. Look at you. Right into the inside? Oh, my God.

He knows he's Fuxville. Oh, God. I heard it pop. You mean, Dean Thomas. Yeah, I heard that pop a few times afterwards. That's awesome, Dean. How good does that feel? It feels good, I can.

I've watched myself getting knocked out by BJ Penn over and over and over for years about the time I get one Those heel hook ones are the ones While you're watching them You're grabbing the knees Yeah, you know, you're already

I'm like, you're like I hate them I hate them with a passion Because they ruin your whole career Hey, do you ever see a Camaro dislocate? That's just ugly man It's like you almost like I want to push it back in

You're like, uh-huh Frank Meir Right? You see a little garrel Oh dude Oh. Straight Jiu-Jitsu tournament, I'd snap the dude's humorous, just like straight-up keylock. Because he didn't tap.

My coach is yelling like, protector fighter. Oh. Jesus. God, that's horrible. And you don't recover fully from that. He had to get surgery. Sound like a pole stick snapping. Ah.

I'll never forget the sound of Wydman. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. That's like a chalkboard thing. Never forget that sound. I remember that. That one was so loud. Against your eye, huh?

I wasn't in the corner. It was so loud. It was so loud. What are the chances Anderson does it to, you know, he does it to Anderson and then it fucking happens to him too. It's only happened to four guys in the UFC. It's scary. Conner's one. Cory Hill's the first one.

Yeah. I remember the Corey Hill one because the referee didn't see it. And I put my headphones off. I'm screaming. Stop the fight. Stop the fight. He passed away too. He passed.

Did he? Yeah. Yeah. Young. Yeah. Was it related to that? No, I think he has some kind of disease. Some kind of like something would be.

Bro, a break of a bone is a traumatic injury. Like, you have to understand, this is such a difference between breaking your hand, which I think we've all done. I broke my arm when I was a little kid. Breaking your shin in half like that, it's such a traumatic injury. Stepping down on it and it just gives out. How about Frank Mear? Broke his femur in a car accident.

A guy teaboned him on a motorcycle, snapped his thigh bone. But Frank wasn't the same for years. It took years. for him to come back to full form again. That's rough, man. Rough. So this is the other question about Connor. How much can he use that left leg?

His left leg snapped in half, okay? And I see him kicking the bag, and I see him doing all these things, and that's great, and I hope it's 100%. But, I mean... I've seen Chris Wyman kicking heck the lumbard. They had a weird thing where I think it's only body punches and leg kicks.

You see what I'm talking about? Oh, that jujitsu thing? Yeah, the jihitsu thing in Russia. But it was a jihitsu. But it is. They did jih Tzu. Yeah. Yeah, they were allowed to leg kick and body punch.

It was the oddest thing. It's the weirdest thing. I just saw Chris just kicking them. And Hector was like punching him in the neck. I'm like, what the fuck kind of rules is this? It's crazy. I didn't know what I was watching. Those ones were the dudes like stand next to each other and just leg kick each other into submission.

Oh, yeah. That shit's pretty nasty. Those are so, that's so crazy. Who does that? I don't know, man, but there's a lot of those videos. It's almost as dumb as slap. Almost. I mean, kind of almost, because, like, you could really ruin your leg.

Come on, man. You don't understand. Like, Pedro Hizzo, like, one of those kind of guys? Could you imagine, like, doing that with Pedro Hizzo? Look at the damage Hizzo did the Randleman's leg. That shit had a different vein pattern. Randy Couture. He got done with him.

Randy Gautour. It was, like, six months for him to recover. Two fights with him like that. Earlier this year in an MMA fight. God damn. A heavyweight fight. Oh, j. Jesus.

Are we going out to eat later, man? Fuck. You're going to make me sick. It's a horrible. I hate those things, man. And I know how hard Chris kicks. Longo was like backstage. He was killing the pads.

It was hard to hold him. That's such a great impression. And fucking. And fucking. Then he went out there and Jesus. Rogan's making me feel bad for being 68. Oh, yeah. He's telling me.

He's so funny. And then he was asking about a peptide. I have to text him later. He's the best. You two together I swear to be a show It should be a show It should be a show

It's just fucking follow them around Yeah just follow you guys around Follow you to the pizza place You've seen it yesterday It'd be a great fucking show It'd be a great fucking show Kid me It really would

You get one of them Keep it up with Kardashians people Who know how to do a reality show filmed the two of you guys together hanging out drinking coffee Talking shit Training fighters Oh,000

Epic Yeah Epic I mean Don't wait too long He's getting older And also Think about how many guys

you've worked with, like these super high-level guys like Aljo and Marab and, you know, just that. And Wydenman, being with them at the UFC's. Yeah. We're a great fucking show. We have a good time. Who's best to have mics on in the corner

than those two? Come on. Guess the best. It's so funny. I like that comedians are making comedies again. I'm looking at Holland. This is Harlem Williams. He put a gourd in his fucking underwear. I love that. Oh, my God. I need that guy's a sterile.

The fake legs. He's so funny. His movie, you know, I love movies. His movie, Wing Man is funny. It's funny. It's funny. He's funny and everything he does. Yeah.

I miss those. Him and nasty Nate. You know what it is? These comedians are now funding it themselves. Like Theo Vaughn and David Spade did Bus Boys. Tom Tegro's doing a bunch of shows. Theo and David Spade did one together? Theo's real life Joe Dirt.

So that's a... You know, I like that they're just doing it where they don't have to get okay by anybody. Yeah. And the other one, I keep, I always feel, and nobody's telling them what to do.

How to, how to, how to, how to, slaughter a cult, with, uh, the Greek guy, the heavy,

that Greek guy. Oh, is that, uh, Stavros? Yeah. That's a funny one. Dude.

That one's, that one made me fucking. He's from Baltimore and he does a Baltimore Ravens fan after every winter loss during the season. Like,

you have to fucking see because it's fucking hilarious. It's very funny dude. Yeah, man. I like this. It's a good time for comedy because this is like pushback. You know, when there's pushback, then people get excited when someone doesn't give into it. And they make their own shit.

But if you want to try to make a comedy movie with a studio, you have to deal with so many people telling you what you can and can't say. You're way better off just doing it on your own. Like, they don't really know what funny is. They're trying to protect their job. They have a Mercedes. Man, they were cranking them out for a while there, like Talladega Nights and fucking Tropic Thunder. You know what happened? The fucking Internet happened.

People started complaining in real life. Like, you know, it started, these morons online started affecting the way people view comedy. So ridiculous. It's the, meanwhile, it didn't affect the way we view violence, which is crazy. Like, you could have a super hyper-violent movie and nobody has a problem more. Yeah, right now. It's the dumbest shit of all time. But if you have some crazy, like, if you tried to make a movie like super bad.

It's fucking hilarious. To try to make that today. Couldn't make it. You couldn't make it. Or Tropic Thunder. Couldn't make it. Fucking Robert Downey Jr. Straight and black face.

Straight and black. And then Ben Stiller, full retard. I asked him, I said, do you think, Robert Down Jr.? I said, do you think you could make that movie today? He goes, oh, you could make it? Well, most of the 80s comedies about guys trying to get late. I mean, the premise alone is not going to make it. You know what I mean?

It's funny, man. It's like we're allowed the most hyper-violent movies and celebrate them. Oh, this is awesome. Like, I just watched Collateral again the other day. Oh, what a fucking love. That's an awesome movie. We watched a scene in one of the episodes we did. We watched that scene where he shoots those guys in the alley.

And I got so into it, I got, I don't need to watch that movie again. Fuck. Yeah, sick movie. But hyper-violent, a movie that everybody says is a wonderful movie. Yeah. Really good. But comedy. Really enjoyed it.

Let's make you laugh. Yeah. But isn't it like, isn't it like, Spoilers, like, I don't want to spoil it, but like, doesn't the other, doesn't Jamie Fox kill him or something at the end? Well, in the end, he dies. Well, I mean, he dies somehow, but, like, is it, like, kind of unbelievable that he kills the master assassin, the taxi driver? I think, like, he wanted to die. I think when you kill a bunch of people over a long period of time.

Oh, it's one of those? It's deeper than that? You wait for your turn. You know, it's supposed to be Russell Crow and Adam Sandler in that movie originally. Are you serious? Yeah. That's crazy. Interesting.

They should redo it. Yeah, right. That's interesting. I'll tell you what, Tom Cruise. was good. Phenomenal. He's pretty much good in that. Dude, they say they use that clip

of him in that alley for training, like CIA motherfuckers. Because it was that clean. Do you know the scene? No. Oh, one of my favorite scenes in any movie.

Jamie pull it up. One of my favorite scenes in any movie. Two idiots. I love a good tactical draw. Because I love a guy who practices. What's the, it's underrated.

It's a fucking, it's a live die repeat. Yes. The Tom Cruise one. It might have been called something else. Edge of Tomorrow. What is it? Edge of tomorrow.

Yes. Is that the space? It was really good. Kept coming back, coming back. This is the scene. So Jamie Fox is strapped to the car. He's zipped tied him to the steering wheel and took the keys. Oh.

That's fine. But you can't have a bunch of guys trying to get laid. That's unrealistic. You're sending a bad message. Spring break. I never thought of it that way, actually. It's ridiculous. The comedians like rebuttal to it.

To not being able to make the movies they want to make. Well, it's only empowered the clubs. Like, clubs are packed. Yeah. Everybody wants, because you go, like, you go to the mothership. You're going to hear some wild shit. Right. People want to laugh.

They don't, nobody, it doesn't mean you mean what you're saying. Right, right, right. The fuck. It's a joke. Bob Marley didn't really shoot the sheriff. Right. Okay. It's like, what you're doing is fucking around.

Yeah. We all know. We've always been talking shit. Talking shit has been a natural part of humans. We talk shit. joke around. And the idea that that's supposed to be up to someone's standards or someone else's

parameters of what you can and can't talk. Fuck you. Fuck you. Just don't go. Don't go watch it. Tom Brady Roos kind of brought it back. In a big way. Yeah, in a big way. Yeah, the Tom Brady Ross, I think, cracked the egg. Because that thing got like 55 million views on Netflix

alone, like within the first week. Joe, can I get that water please? Yeah. Are people still getting canceled now? I think it's kind of past. I think it doesn't work. Because As everybody can just put your own stuff on. You can just do your own stuff. Well, it's also when people get canceled, people just flock to those people now.

It makes them more popular. Look at Kanye. Kanye is selling out the biggest fucking places in the world doing pop-up shows. Yeah, yeah. He's doing an arena pop-up shows. He just did one in Miami a couple weeks ago. My son went to it.

He's doing one this weekend in San Antonio. Really? Just pop-up show. Tony Hinchcliff just went to the one in Tampa. He said it was insane. This is the greatest show he's ever seen in his life. He's on top of a world He's like standing on top of a globe

Yeah And like it's spinning While he's up there doing two and a half hours Of bangers Yeah Like you realize Tony goes You realize how many hits this guy has Who is it?

Kanye motherfucker Yeah Otherwise known as yay Yeah That's right easy Yeah no one wants to do a versus battle Against Kanye He's gonna eat you up

He's so prolific Yeah And like Tony said Every aspect of the show He produced So every sound has a purpose, every lighting effect. It's all coordinated.

He said, it's amazing. He's a genius. Legit. Crazy is fucking a shithouse rat. But that's how you have to be. He's out there. I mean, but most creative people. 100%.

You know, they're coming from a different... You don't get that good by being normal. Right. Like, he's too good. But I mean... Normal's overrated. The guy comes back from wearing a diamond-encrusted swastika to selling out the biggest...

arenas in the world. He has a song called Heil Hitler. A year later, he's selling out the biggest arenas in the world, like instantaneously. Do you know, wild out? He's the goat. Like, no one's even close. He's, like, one's like one's even close. Like, with the stuff that he does, like, he can compare it to his contemporaries. Like, he's out of that. Yeah, he's so far ahead of everybody else. Out there. Prince was like that, too. All the hits he had and all the hits he's written for people. Yeah, man. When that Freddie Gray shit happened. happened in Baltimore. He called the city and wanted to do like a benefit concert or whatever, and I was able to go to it. And at one point on the stage, he's doing all these songs, and he goes,

God damn, I forgot all the good shit. And then he kept going, but the best story was on sound check. Like, he tunes, everything's got to be the way he wants it. And Jay-Z, Beyonce, and somebody else. So I don't know who the third person was, but they were going to come and be part of it. So they asked him if he could come. He's like, yeah, sure. So when they came, they started to go on stage for sound check. And a friend of mine at the building said, Prince is like, whoa, what are you doing up on the fucking stage? And they're like, oh, you know, we want to get our shit straight.

And he goes, no, this is my shit. You want to come and be a part of it? Fine. If not, get the fuck off the stage. Whoa. And they walked and left it got out of there. Well, you got to be careful with other stars. because they do like the metal.

Yeah. I want to like this. Yeah, no. I want the lighting. And that dude, you know, shit was getting done how he wanted it done. 100%. It has to be. He was too good.

Yeah, he's a fucking genius. I remember the guitar solo he did at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Oh, my God. He could do anything. Yeah. He could play any musical instrument. He used to play all the musical instruments. And he could play basketball.

Yeah. Did you watch that Michael Jackson? I didn't. I saw it. Did you watch it? I did, yeah. How was it? I thought it was good.

Ray liked it. You didn't see it? I didn't see it. Oh, it's good. No, it's good. But Longo's set, watched it. No. No, it's good.

And then he told, you know what he told me? I mean, it's a good thing, I guess. After he's seen it, he goes, he didn't touch any kids. Oh, I'll tell you right now, he didn't fucking touch any kids. So I'm like,

what, Longo? So I don't want to know your thoughts on it. That's hilarious. No, because, like, my son's a father was fucked up. Yeah, his father was all fucked up. No, that's a good movie. And the guy who played it, his nephew, nailed it.

Yeah, man. Nailed my family. My wife. My kids, they loved it. I didn't see it, though. It's a cautionary tale. The Michael Jackson story is like, when kids get that famous, no one can handle it. That's what that is.

Yeah, yeah. There's also the weirdness of the doctor saying that he was chemically castrated. His doctor, the same guy that killed him. The same guy that killed him with the prophenol, the guy that put him to sleep with anesthesia. That guy said that when he was young, his father. chemically castrated him to preserve his voice. Are you serious? Yeah.

They didn't get into that part. Which totally makes sense. When you look at him in comparison to all the other guys in his family, he's really thin, like he has no testosterone. He never really thought about that. All the brothers are all big men. They're men. Like, you look at Germain.

For sure. They're big men. He's really thin, and he kept that high-pitched voice. Like, when you listen to some of his, like, human nature, listen to human nature. Like, that voice is insane. Yeah. We can't play it on the show, but Jamie, play human nature by Michael Jackson real quick. Why did Varus get plump on Game of Thrones when they cut off his balls?

Well, I don't think that was real. You can still get fat, but you can't, you know, you don't get muscle. Like, you don't have any testosterone. It's gone. They probably weren't feeding that guy either to keep him thin so he could dance. Right. Oh, man. Well, also, he's probably performing every night.

Every night. So he's burning off shit. tons of cows. If they put a fit bit on that dude, the amount of steps that he's taken. Dude, it's pretty crazy. Like a front man for a band, the fucking running. They're doing all night long. We're going to play this song, Human Nature. Oh, the official music video. Oh, man. That voice, I don't think you get that voice from a man. No. But how do you... A regular man that has a testicle. How do you... Kevin Lee Castigee somebody.

The same way that they do it with puberty blockers that they use on kids. Oh, just like pills and stuff like... No, like when you're, when they do... puberty blockers, that's what puberty blockers do. What they're doing is they're just blocking all of your testosterone production. And so they used to do it to criminals. So if they had a sex offender that was, they would chemically castrate them. I'm all for that. Yeah.

Chop their dicks off. Just eliminate them. We just eliminate them. They should be eliminated. But the chemically castration thing, they used to do with opera singers. They called them castratos. But not chemically castrated. They used to use a knife.

They used to chop their balls off. when they were young. Damn. So that they could sing like a woman. It was a very haunting sound. Like, there's only one recording of a castrato that's from like, Jimmy, what was it from? Like the 1800s? Yeah, really?

There's one recording of a guy singing that had no balls. And that they do it to them when they're really young. They do it to them when they're kids. No kidding. Yeah, like your family sells you off to some opera and they slice your balls off and keep you that way forever. Man. Crazy. Damn.

Yeah, and the sound See, find that Castrato recording The sound is haunting, man You hear the guy singing and he creeps you out He's like, oh my God, this guy was a little boy And they cut his balls off so he could sing like this Oh, that's so, ugh Yeah, and I think that's what they did to Michael Jackson

Well, at least that's what the doctor says It makes sense to me I mean, it makes sense like even watching a movie How hard his father was on him And how much he demanded of him Oh man, you're going to creep us out now Listen to this guy's voice. Okay.

Oh, Jesus Christ. That's depressing. But we know that that was an actual process. That was an actual practice. They really did chop boys' balls off so they could sing better. Went from happy human nature to sound like some funny. He was fucking dying. I know it's really nuts if you think about the horrible things that people are willing to do.

It's not disproving it or anything. It's just a guy saying he went to search where they were doing it. And I think he said he was having very trouble, a lot of trouble finding a lot of trouble finding a lot of of information. About castratos? Yeah, and where they did it or how they did it. But they hide that. Yeah, I was chopping nuts off.

Oh, yeah, let me take you to the lab. We'll show you what we do with the balls. Are you doing those peptides? Many eunuchs were castrated after puberty and thus castration had no effect on their voices. Oh, that's a eunuch, though. Oh, that's just, they're puberty. Oh, after puberty then, yeah, it wouldn't make the difference.

So you got to catch them young. Yeah, right. You got to catch them before they grow their nuts. That's so horrible. It says it goes back to 400 AD, but... Boy, Constantinople. Boy, who came up with that idea? I have an idea.

I mean, how many of them died from infection from getting their nuts chopped off, you know? Probably a lot. Back then they didn't even know what fucking cooties were. They had no idea. Yeah, they didn't clean the night. Come on. Yeah.

No. Disgusting. It started off as a punishment. It wasn't a choice. And then they realized this guys sing really nice in prison. It's kind of cool. That's only this one minute.

They sing in the shower. I really like it. Oh, my. Gentlemen, this was a lot fun. As always. We always have such a good time. Matt, how are you feeling? What are you talking?

Why me? Why out of everybody are you asking me? 100 milligrams. Hey. You're right. Handle like a boss? Like a boss. Give me another. Your eyes are a little thin.

I was going to say, a little Chinese. I was a little Asian right now. My Italian Pais-I'm. Guys. You handled it. I had a great time. It's always fun. Let's go eat.

Let's go eat. Is it Italian? We can go wherever. Whatever. But what did you want? Did you want to do Italian? Well, let's cut this off. All right.

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