The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #19 with Vinny Shoreman & Liam Harrison

Episode Date: March 22, 2018

Joe is joined by mind coach and fight commentator Vinny Shoreman & 8-time World Muay Thai Champion Liam Harrison.

Boom and we're live with my pal Vinnie Shorman and eight-time world Muay Thai champion Liam Harrison. Thank you for having me. Fuck yeah dude, great to be here, great to see you guys too. Yeah we love it. Listen man I'm a big fan of all combat sports but I really believe that if there's one sport that doesn't get its due it's Muay Thai. I

really don't understand why it hasn't taken off in America. I don't get it. I love boxing Muay Thai I really don't understand why it hasn't taken off in America I don't get it I love boxing boxing's a lot of fun I think Muay Thai is twice as fun yeah it's twice as hard as well I think I mean I fought pro boxing and I've had over 100 Muay Thai fights it's definitely a lot harder I mean it's getting more mainstream now along with the MMA because most of the top MMA fighters are doing Muayai for the stand-up but it's still not where it needs to be it's weird right yeah i mean i think what puts a lot of people off uh muay thai is the uh maybe the two minute break and also the two minute break in between rounds

yeah and the traditional music and stuff like that people find that hard to take too really which is i mean i love it so i don't see that problem but i can see outside the box with that as well so i feel like the two minute break gives guys more of a chance to recover which makes the fights more exciting you have more energy and uh i don't care about the the dance the y crew that doesn't bother me you're a fan aren't you you're a martial arts fan i mean just sit down and watch i am but watch baseball baseball's so boring it's crazy how boring it is a lot of shows in england now they've started to cut out all the traditional stuff there's no ramu no white

crew you just get in the ring you face off bell goes go straight away so they're trying to cut little aspects of it out just to make it more media fan friendly really yeah we should probably explain to people that don't know what we're talking about though the the dance that they do it's called the y crew right yeah they're on why and it's what's what is the headband they put on? What is that? the monk on that's the monk Kong and When you're doing the dance the ideas like to warm up Yeah, this there's lots of different read lots of different reasons why these different counts believe different things So they mainly to do with Buddhism

Sealing the ring and then taking with plain respect to your gym, your coaches, your parents, etc. I enjoy doing it, it prepares me mentally for what's about to happen. I've done it in nearly all my 108 fights, only the odd one or two where I've missed it,

because I've been told by the promoters, right, no wrong way. I enjoy doing it, but like Vinny said, some people who come to watch it, they just want to see fights. They don't want to see that aspect of the sport as well. They just want to see people getting torn up. And in case anybody didn't catch that through that dense accent, he just said 108 fights.

That's fucking crazy, man. That's a lot of fights. It is for a Westerner, but a lot of the ties I'm coming across, there are 200, 300 plus. I remember last year I fought a Thai, and they said, oh, Liam's had 100 fights. That is a lot. What do you think?

And he said, I'd had 100 fights when I was 15 years old. Wow. That was Singh Damu who said that about it. 100 fights when he was 15. How is that even possible? I'm not sure. You fight every week, don't you? Yeah, 52 weeks a year.

It's a living, isn't it? Yeah. If they don't eat, they don't. In Thailand, if every week. Yeah, 52 weeks a year. It's a living isn't it? So yeah, if they don't eat they don't if it in Thailand if you don't fight you don't eat So see ya, there's no welfare or anything like that. So they have to do that I had a former UFC champion Pat Miletic in yesterday and we were talking about Muay Thai and how crazy it is that this one place Thailand developed this completely effective style like they changed the way people fight i mean they really did yeah if you look at all the other martial arts whether it's karate or kung fu or anything else like they figured it out yeah without a doubt um but what's happening now is as well the westerners are starting to catch them up now i mean remember the first time i went to thailand

not many people were going and not many people knew about fighting that taiwan more and more westerners now are going to live there they're staying there for long periods of time they're getting it down and we i can compete with the top level ties now wow before like back in the day they might have been like only ramon decker danny biel obviously john wayne parr them guys running green as well yeah from england but now there's a lot a lot especially around europe french fighters top level, British guys. We've got Danny McGowan in England. He's doing it. I mean, we are starting to really compete with people on top level now.

Is Muay Thai more popular in Europe than it is in America? Yeah. There's massive shows on in Europe every weekend. Really? I mean, in America, the main ones are Lion Fight. Yeah. We've got like two or three huge promotions in England now. Yokow. There's tanko the french they have massive shows on every weekend with top top level fighters on um all over

poland and everywhere he's getting he's getting huge i'm a big fan of lion fight but it seems to me that there's a lot of times where these guys come over and they're fighting someone that really doesn't belong in there with them and you get to see like a lurdzilla or something like that that would be absolutely ridiculous that guy's first fight against the guy who's had 400 fights like one of the best thai champions of this era yeah and his first ever professional more time for that guy ripped off yeah that's the difference between yoko and everything else you know um they do it in such a way that the matchmaking brian calder who does does the matchmaking, our friend, the fights are like really, really, always, always competitive, which I really enjoy.

And you've been doing commentary for them for how long? I've been doing commentary for Yoko since 2011. I met Stefania when I was working for It's Showtime, and she asked me to work for them. I still have some of the old it's show time on my old i have a dvr in my gym that's like 10 years old and i still have your voice right yeah i'm sorry it's great you know what as as of as of i was going to say as i've matured but after the shenanigans we've got up to in the past uh you'd be surprised but no it's it's um you know your car's gone from strength to strength.

You know, and it's Showtime offshoots like Glory and Fusion who I work for now. You know, it's so healthy at the minute. It's so healthy, kickboxing and Muay Thai. Well, it's so high level. It's just, to me, I mean, I've sat down and thought about this alone by myself for hours on end,

trying to think like what would be the way to get Muay Thai more popular in America? Because me, as a person who loves combat sports, I look at Muay Thai, and I'm like, this is the pinnacle of striking sports. It's the most exciting to me. I like the clinch. I like the elbows. I love kickboxing. I love glory.

But I feel like there's something missing with that. Like, just the stuff that you were showing me today, with all the trips and sweeps and all that stuff that's eliminated from glory. The thing is with Liam as well, though, because he's got a Fran-friendly style. You know, he's not particularly a clincher, but he's crash-bang wallop in 150 mile an hour.

And I mean, I'm not going to lie, I'm his biggest fan. I mean, if you listen to the commentary, it's totally 100% biased. And I don't fucking care. I love the kid, you know what I mean? I've known him since he was 15. I'm on my back to the commentary it's totally a hundred percent biased I don't fucking care I love the kid you know what I mean I've known him since he was 15 I'm on my back up floor and he's like look how well he's lying down oh he's doing it great he wear them anklets mashing he does but you know for me it's his style that makes it exciting you know yes I think that with the tv thing I think to get it more popular you need to pick and choose what fights you're putting

on the tv yeah if you just put like a random show on with like three like fights that are terrible but one's okay you need to instead of it being live maybe like pick and choose some good fights get it out there get people talking about it make them think wow did you see that see them elbows see all that blood see them sweeps that's what I think yeah that's what that's what I do personally. I feel like if a network like Fox took a chance and had one Saturday night and they promoted it and they were going to show you the most dangerous stand-up strikers on the planet Earth. You might think that professional boxers are the most dangerous strikers, but they literally wouldn't last two rounds.

They'd get their legs kicked out from under them. They'd get kneed in the body and elbowed in the face. They'd get cut up and clenched and thrown to the ground. It's just a better style of fighting. And a guy like you on TV would be a whole lot of fun. I'm a big fan of the way you fight, man. You fight like you've got rabies. It's like what Vinny said.

I've always had that type of style. But you know what? Sometimes I've probably lost fights on points because of wanting to go for the kill when probably if I'd have changed my game plan I probably could have won

but that's just not what I'm about I get in there and people come in and watch me fight and pay their hard earned money to come and watch me fight they want to see me

smash someone's leg they want to see me knock someone out they want to see even if it goes a distance they want to see me put it all in there and people are paying

their money for that so I feel like I've got a moral obligation to give them that I mean I can fight technical as well I've had lots of fights in the past Where I've just gone in with that game set and I've won schooled top-level fighters But I don't like doing that I want to get in there and I want to I want to I don't like you doing that either. I'm not gonna to be, you know. You don't like when he fights technical? Listen, he can't do any wrong in my eyes. You know what I mean?

He can't, you know what I mean? Liam's killed the family for nothing. They must have done something to him. But, no, I just think that, you know, his style, the way that the show that we work on, I work on regularly, Jocko. I mean, to have that level of of it's matchmaking see muay thais like anything if it's done well it's beautiful if it's done badly it's not it's

right it's absolutely boxing you know like one of the reasons why we're talking about the granada galovkin canelo alvarez fight i mean one of the reasons why we're so looking forward to the fight not just because the first fight was so great because stylistically look at the way those two guys fight like how could this be a bad fight it's impossible okay now they're both saying they're gonna both change different game plans and stuff and it's got everyone thinking again oh well what is gonna happen this time there's no change they're gonna someone's gonna get hit and it's gonna be guns blazing team ggg yeah we've been to hunt him we were looking for him of a day at big bear yeah you guys went stalking like girls 100 percent restaurant where he eats. Came home and said, oh, what would you like?

I went, I'll have what GGG has, please. Yeah, it's true. The GGG special. And when we was in there, we were sat there, and Liam was across from me, and I went, there's Tom Lafleur. And he went, who's he? I went, he's GGG's manager.

And they'd be getting all chairs out and stuff, setting these chairs out, and I thought, he's going to arrive. I couldn't eat my food. I got so excited. I pushed my to let away i can't i can't yeah he's gonna be here anymore right now and we sat there phrasing he didn't turn up oh well we met freddie roach the day before freddie roach is a swan what a guy what a guy he's a real sweetheart yeah he took us down let's watch sparring and stuff and we were like yeah he wasn't even that he's like stood with us for half an hour talking about boxing he were like interested in when I were fighting and stuff like he didn't have to be

like that you know I mean I bet he gets people walking in there all time like wanting to meet him and stuff but he took time out talking to Vinnie about all different other types of fights let us watch the some top-level fighters spar and he were like really interested like absolute legend he's very genuine I got to interview him back when he was training george saint pierre when george st pierre was uh under him and he's just uh as down to earth as you or you or any you know just a regular guy yeah he's a good guy man yeah it was over the moon to me and man talk about a guy who's been around the world and seen it all like that guy you know training pacquiao and man and you know what i thought he said something about i don't know whether pacquiao's gonna train with him for this fight. And he kind of likes, and he was so engaging and endearing about Pacquiao, wasn't he?

Saying, oh, Pacquiao plays basketball, even though he's been with him 16 years. And he's just gone, oh, well, if he goes and does something, that's what he finds out about training. He was like, oh, well, he likes basketball. He's just a... He doesn't give a fuck. He's got money. He doesn't give a shit.

And, you know, I mean, his health has been such an issue over the last few years. He has trauma-related Parkinson's, which has got to be very interesting when you're, you know, training fighters and you realize, like, you are suffering from fighting yourself. Yeah. Just meeting him, that's made my whole trip, meeting him and just seeing how grounded and down to earth he is. Honestly, I just couldn't believe it.

Have you gone to Wild Card Gym yet? Yeah, that's where we went. Oh, that's where you went. Yeah, that's where we went. We watched some, what were his name? George Camboso Jr.? Yeah, the kid from Australia. Watch out for him, 14 and 0.

Oh, yeah? Yeah. Sharp. Really sharp. Next big thing from Australia, definitely. It's crazy, too, when you go up to that gym, you hear so much about it, and you're like, yeah, it's about as big as this room.

Yeah, it's true. It's not a big fucking gym. We were sweating and all sorts, weren't we, on the way up? Yeah, no, it's a legendary spot, you know? Yeah, it's true. It's not a big fucking gym. We were sweating and all sorts, weren't we, on the way up? Yeah, no, it's a legendary spot. Yeah, it's a great place. So you're in America doing some seminars. Yeah, yeah. Fire, Fury Focus seminars.

Vinny's doing all his NLP mind coaching stuff for an hour and a half, and then I take over and do all the physical aspects, Muay Thai, all the little tricks and sweeps and of the stuff I was showing you there stuff that I've used throughout my career to help me get to where I'm where I am an NLP is neuro linguist linguistic programming is that what you're doing? yeah NLP but it's mainly to language and things tricks that I've put up from over the years not all NLP you know it's a little bit of hypnosis hypnotic language blah blah blah right right and it gets them in a learning state.

So what I do is I prepare them in a learning state, give them confidence, build them up so they can start to take on what Liam teaches. So it's a double whammy, really. So he teaches some brilliant techniques, as you're aware. And then I just do my bit to get them where they have to get to. Before I met you, I thought that hypnosis was for idiots. I thought you'd have to be a dummy. I'm like, yeah, you're getting me with that shit. Same.

And then when you hypnotized me, I was like, wait a minute. This is real? Wow. But I try to explain it to me, to people. I'm like, it's not what you think. It's not like you don't know where you are. You don't know what's going on. All of a sudden, your pants are off. It's not like you don't know where you are you don't know what's going on all sudden

your pants are off it's not like that it's like you achieve this weird state of mind that you're aware do it yes also I do is guide it you do it and then the client does it like whether I do it with you or access we've got an actor friend called Mike Pa who we've been working with who loves it and what a brown people does he use it to help his acting yeah he did he mentioned uh me on a program called this morning which is a daytime show in england and uh he went on it he's in a uh soap opera called emmerdale he's known liam a long time and known me less time because i'm not he's your biggest fan by the way biggest fan hey mike yeah fan by the way biggest fan hey mike what's up man there you go you met his year yeah so yeah and we i've done work with him and since we're going on your show which i have to i really do appreciate

it because my work's gone from a business woman of the year ceos and everyone now been it's just it's just gone crazy because they needed a convincer and he was it so thanks very much well it's legit i'll tell you right now. I mean, I don't know about other people, but you know how to do it. Thank you. Again, it gave me some very interesting understanding about the mind and thought processes and how it works. And that expression that you like to use all the time, hakalao.

Hakalao. I think about that. Explain what that is to people. Hakalao is increasing your peripheral vision. It's increasing your awareness just by basically cutting off your chitter-chatter that goes on in your mind. If you see Liam,

when he fights, before he fights, he pushes his gloves together and goes into Hakalao every single time. What that does, and I haven't shown you that yet, but I will show you later on if you wish, is you anchor the gloves. So you anchor a positive state in the gloves,

and you push them together, and you find Hakalao, and it just gets you in a well. Can you explain that? What's unique about these seminars is, why I wanted to do them is because I've worked with myself before, and all the stuff that he's teaching, I know it works myself. First time I used Vinny, it's the story how it all started. I fought a top-level Thai called Anumat Kausamrit,

nicknamed with Iron Hands of Siam. He had like an 80% KO ratio, and I went to fight him in Jamaica. I knew I could beat him, but there were a few aspects that just didn't go right with training. It didn't go right at the time. Michael Jackson died? Yeah, yeah. Threw him off.

Big idiot. I'm not going to lie. Really? That fucked my shit up. Really? It fucked you up when michael jackson died oh yeah i'm a massive fan everyone knows me knows i'm a massive fan he's out of my life but i'm not blaming michael jackson for losing that fight

no but you really were you were massive michael jackson massive massive yeah did you ever come out to his fights yeah criminal, smooth criminal, bad guy. Yeah, yeah, of course. But yeah, I fought this Thai champion in Jamaica. Like I said, a few things didn't go right, and he smashed me to pieces. It was the first time I ever got stopped. I knew I could beat him. I'm good at reading fighters.

I knew I could beat him. So I begged and begged and begged for the rematch, and Promoter brought it. About six, seven months later, brought him to England. MEN Arena, massive show, biggest show the country's ever ever seen and Vinny had spoke to me before in the past said you don't ever want to do a little bit of work I know it's fine I'm mentally strong I'm mentally strong I don't need to but would you build up to that fight I thought you know what I'm gonna train as I do they always as I've ever done before anyway but there's no point you can never be too

prepared I said oh Vinny can we do a little bit and um we did uh we did loads of different techniques and we had like keywords like warrior were one of them the warrior was the main one yeah um bear in mind now the reason why liam was reluctant to uh work with me is the first time he met me um i stole a wheelchair drunk i didn't steal it i didn't tip anyone who was disabled out of the wheelchair just for everyone at home. Fucking Brits. I know. But I was drunk at a show at Least Town Hall. I'm sure his coach Richard Smith remembers all Least Town Hall. Anyway, so it was a reluctant because I like to mess about, you know, I like to be silly, etc.

But he came to me and we worked together and my take on this story is i was commenting at the time with the great guy called rob cox who lives in thailand who knows everything about muay thai rob cox knows everything everything everything he's the guy the kink simple and i was commentating with him now liam came to me and and i wanted to put a word in that would that would like keep him strong so it was warrior now it was really weird is I was commentating on the... You can watch it on YouTube. When I'm commentating on the fight, he looks at me at round four, because I can see him,

and he looks through his trainer, Richard Smith, and Andy House, and his cousin, who's a five-time world champion as well, so it's in a family. And he looks over at me, and he goes, Warrior. He looked straight in my eyes. I don't remember doing that either.

It was like the the state i was in when i was fighting he couldn't hurt me bearing in mind how badly he smashed me to pieces in the first fight i didn't get hurt with anything i was just like i were in some total state i was so on point i'm making him miss i schooled him really i beat him pretty convincingly on points that's amazing and um i went to the after party afterwards i had a bottle of water sat down passed out collapsed ambulance came and got me took me to hospital i had a really bad concussion wow but it just goes like the state i was in in the fight and um i didn't feel a thing everything just had my eyes and didn't feel anything it was weird like i had to explain you get so emotionally

invested in it as well that when he because'm his biggest fan. When he came over he said thank you. It was my dad's birthday that day as well so there were a lot. I know his dad and his family and I was so overwhelmed by it but look I mean it's only one aspect of it. He's got a fantastic coach in Richard Smith

and Lisa Horton, Lisa Smith Lisa, we call her Horton. And all the gangs like Jordan, Badger, you know, Andy, everyone, Steve Campbell,

he's strong for conditioning, he's got so many people around him, I'm just one little bit, but it was weird, because he went, he went, Warrior, and I said to him,

do you remember saying Warrior? He went, no. I didn't remember that at all. I had to look back at the video and watch it. The concussion probably had a lot to do with that. Maybe.

I look back at the video and there's a left hook in round four and my head nearly like, spins round and back. I think that was the one. That probably, yeah. Yeah. You know, it's interesting that that's catching on

mental coaching. It really is. And there's a lot of fighters that used to dismiss it that I know now are using mental coaches. I've had conversations with them before in the past

and I was like, what do you think about sports psychologists? What do you think about mental? I don't need that shit. And then years later, a loss or two later, their mind's in a weird place, and then they decide, okay, I need something like that.

The thing is, I think that fights are won and lost in the changing rooms. I think in the locker room, as you say. You know, one little, it's like a tiny bit of anthrax thrown in a reservoir of poison a whole city. I think that's what it does mentally. I've seen fighters in the dressing room who i've trained with in the gym and they have been so strong had so much power in the gym they've been the best ever and i've seen them in the changing rooms and i've seen them start to go to the cell phone it's gonna be hard this isn't it

yeah strong him in here and i can see him just starting to deflate and change and a lot of fighters do have that problem and um dwarfed by the moment yeah yeah yeah that's a common thing with everything with any kind of performance anything where you're doing something that's difficult but fighting has such dire physical consequences that the the overwhelming anxiety and the pressure just you you see it so many times guys who are really good fighters that they have panic attacks in the dressing room they just they can't handle it it's like interviews as well i mean you get such a uh a diverse mix of clients that it is everything it's what it means to you

isn't it so that your fight could against whoever the hardest fighters tie boxes in the world like to keep matching you with and um and your job or your your interview or or you like mikey the lines that you have to do while you show it i think it's all relative to you you know when anxiety is a big scourge yeah anytime you have to do anything difficult anxiety comes into play but it just doesn't come into play in anything remotely except war it's like war is like the highest level of it and then past you get then below that is like probably police officers and first responders. Then it's fighters. Indeed.

It's like there's nothing like it. That walk to the fucking ring, you know what I mean? And you're just thinking about, did I do enough? Did I sleep enough? Did I eat right? You know? Yeah. And you see it.

I see so many. I think that's why I kind of got into it as well you know with different things that i saw so much potential see i you know the first time one of the first times i met him i was training someone to fight him oh wow and i was like right listen he's only a kid so what you got to do get in his face and punch him in the face hard as often as you can he'll soon quit how wrong was i i'm only 15. who was it how old was the other guy 28 oh Jesus Mark from Liverpool yeah you fought a fucking 28 year old when you're 15 right I fight at 65 kilo now my first fight were at 60 kilo when I was 14 so I've always been big for my age and then when

I got to 15 and stopped growing um so when i was 14 i had like a beard and i looked like a yeti and all sorts and i was a big in school so i was having to fight a lot older people having to fight men and um so i was like my thinking when i fought in one of my first fights without any protection on i had to fight a 28 year old and um i went my first 29 pro fights all unbeaten it wasn't't until I fought a Thai champion and I got a bit of an hiding call, you called Duao, that I realized,

oh, I have to change up my game plan here and have to go to Thailand and learn how they do it. What is the difference? What is the difference when you train in England versus when you train in Thailand and how they fight?

What is the difference? Well, over there, I stayed there for about 18 months in Thailand and I just lived in the gym like the Thais did so we woke up in the morning we went running came back pad work bit of clinch not too intense in the morning but then the afternoon session three in the afternoon the scorching hot eat three till six I mean most classes in England there might be what an hour an hour and a half these were three hours intense you keep second workout of the day yeah yeah so you're

skipping for half an hour straight off of that straight on the pads seven eight rounds straight off of that straight into sparring straight off of that straight into clinching with the ties and anyone who knows how strong the ties are clinching as well it was absolute torture every single day um but i loved it and i don't think without doing that i would don't think i'd have been able to compete with the top level ties that i have done now though how much Richard has project progressed with my gym in England I feel like we've got so many top level fighters now that who are at that level I feel like I don't have to go over there do it anymore hmm we've got the stable in bad company now we've got the knowledge we've got

the experience we've got the Andy house and Jordan Watson young Joe Craven coming through we've got all these strong, strong animals in the gym that we're probably one of. Well, we are. We have been one of the best gyms in Europe for a long time now. Now, do you work out the same amount of time? Do you do a morning session and then do a three-hour afternoon session too? Yeah, so what I'll do in the morning, I'll go down.

I'll probably do kick pads with my boss, Richard, and then maybe a bit of play sparring with Jordan or a run. So then in the evening, I've got PTs all day in between this though that's the only difference personal training yeah yeah I teach as well like full-time so I might have five hours of PTs to do in between all this so that's exhausting yeah it is especially the way you teach yeah you get very intense I'm I like to be hands-on and yeah I had to get involved and um it is tiring i just have to make sure like my diet's on point with stuff like that because if i have a day where i eat and then i'm exhausted and i can't get the most out of my second training session and then

i get to five o'clock i'll go run again kick pads again and that's when richard will do that so you run twice in a day some days wow yeah i don't run farther i'll do more five five k's but fast the way i see it we move tight it's explosive stuff so i do I'll do more 5Ks, but fast. The way I see it, we're moving tight. It's explosive stuff, so I do more hill sprints and more sprint work than actual long distance. The only time I do my really long distances is if I need to drop my weight down drastically. But when you're fighting five three-minute rounds,

it's not a long time. It's like, ba-ba-bang, ba-ba-bang. So I do more explosive work, like hill sprints with my strength coach and stuff like that, or plyometric explosive workouts. That's the only thing that's missing in Thailand, really, the strength and conditioning.

But a lot of gyms out there now are getting hold of that and changing up there. Super Pro's doing it where I go, Robbie Timmers and Sharoon, who's trained. I just said that Alistair Overeem's over there. And Badder's been there a few times. A lot of the Dutch go over there in Koh Samui. And they've got a CrossFit place now. They got like a new sort of meta fit yeah as well

a lot of them are catching up you know and and you know doing it over there as well so they they kind of catch you i know that bam chameca know that uh yeah but yeah he looks like he does a lot of it yeah yeah he does i was at his last and conditioning. He looks like he does a lot of it. Yeah. Yeah, he does. I was at his last fight against Johnny Risco, and he lost. Johnny Risco was amazing that night. He was just on him. Didn't give him any rest. How long ago was this?

About how long ago? Last week, wasn't it? Last week. How old is Bukow now? 35. 35. He's coming to the twilight now. He's a legend now. Yeah, he is.

He is. I got a chance to see him fight in L.A. Yeah. And they've had some fights they tried to do some pay-per-view events and stuff like that out here it's just for whatever reason it never caught on yeah we did a muay thai in america and uh yeah when andy ford twice on it and that's how they were good shows them as well wicked shows yeah real good fights wicked shows that's why i met brian doble who's our friend who's looked after us here And

Fontana California in the house Yes sir Double dokes That's where our seminar is On Saturday Our last one And yeah It was

It was a shame Because We love it here Don't we We don't want to go home Yeah I wish I really wish I could figure out a way

To get it to catch on I just don't understand What's wrong I guess it is getting there With the MMA and stuff. I remember the first time I ever fought main event on a show in England

and I got like paid like this much. But now I'm like headlining shows and I'm getting paid like up there now. So there's a lot of people I've seen going nowhere.

It's going nowhere. He's bringing that mic in front of you. I've watched it like go from there right to where it is now in my career and where it's come from is massive. It's massive gap from where it was and if it does keep going

like this it will eventually get there but it's just slowly slowly slowly we've always seen much more Muay Thai talent come out of England and out of Europe then we have out of America for whatever reason there's been some standout fighters in America but it's the big shows there's like a lot of big shows in Europe and that's just really never been the case here yeah I mean like like Yokao is the one now everyone wants to fight on Yokao I'm nothing to do with the promotion I'm just a Yokao fighter and I get people messaging me all the time oh how do I get to fight on Yokao who do I contact and I'm on I

mean like hundreds of messages all the time of people asking like everyone does that's the show that everyone wants to be honest the biggest outside of the main stadium ones in thailand the biggest in the world by a country mile do they do um internet pay-per-view no they don't and um i think that's something they should look at yeah i've said this for ages yeah because i think as as because even even though it's big it's small if that makes makes sense, in numbers that come to the show. It's like 3,000 or something like that, which isn't massive, but it's always jam-packed. And I think when you're selling tickets for a show,

people say, oh, I can buy it for, like, five quid and sit at home and watch it instead. There should be an international then. Yeah, Geoblock. Yeah, Geoblock, because I know that Infusion do that, who I work for. Geoblock, what do you mean? Yeah, that. Yeah, a geo-block, because I know that Infusion do that, who I work for. Geo-block? What do you mean? Yeah, that means that you can't watch it in your country.

But everyone else, worldwide. You can watch it worldwide. So think about everyone in America. Oh, so that people will go to see it. See it by tickets. I see what you're saying. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So where does it air?

Does it air on television? No, we do the show, and then they put the fights out, and they kind of feed the fights out over YouTube and I think they may put it on their Facebook page or their but the fights on that show

every single fight is a war every single fight could headline any show around the world we have got some right kids coming through I'm a massive fan of Stuart Stave there's never a boring show

is there no ever and even when Liam's not on it which is obviously the highlight for me because he's my mate and he brings thunder doesn't he it's a storm Never a boring show, is it? No. And even when Liam's not on it, which is, you know, obviously the highlight for me because he's my mate and he brings thunder, doesn't he? He's a storm.

But we've got some new kids coming through that are just, like I just mentioned, Stuart Stabler and Joe Craven and these kids coming through that are just, and watched him taking on his style and taking on their own style and there's some real dangerous kids coming through. Now, I would imagine with your style, your style is so physically intensive and so aggressive that how well do you monitor your diet?

I have to do with when I'm close to a fight. If I don't, like I say, I'm going to have no energy. Do you cut weight? Yeah, I used to cut a lot more than I do now. I might do about eight pounds now but i might start the fight um camp and be only 10 pounds over that's not nothing that's nothing crazy no not a lot at all um my last four or five fights the day before the weighting i've been on weight without having to get in a sauna or without having to go running

the sweatsuit or anything like that as i've got older i've got wiser yeah i just realized it was draining you too much yeah of course especially course, especially as I got older. When I was younger, I could get away with it. I might be able to get in sauna and lose like three, four kilos at the weigh-in and still get in there and knock someone out or stop someone. But I had a few mistakes as I got older as well, growing, where I missed weight, and it made me just think, what am I doing here?

Get on point with it. Because as soon as you start to do stuff like that, promoters don't want to work with you. You get a bad rep. And this was about seven, eight years ago now, and I haven't done it since. I've been on point with everything. To be honest, it's down to me.

My missus a lot as well. She looks after me. She goes out and works hard all day, but whenever I get in from the gym about half, seven, eight o'clock, there's healthy food there for me and stuff. What kind of food do you eat? Do you specify? Not really.

A lot of people cut out carbs and stuff. I'm training so hard and sweating all day and burning so much calories in my PTs and stuff. I don't need to cut out my carbs. That's a big factor. People need to understand that when they're talking about low-carb diets, it's really dependent upon how much exercise you do.

If you're running twice a day and you're doing three-hour workouts in the afternoon, you're going to need some carbohydrates. Yeah, exactly. I don't need to cut them out. Even in the last week, a lot of people have been saying, oh, it's last week, fight camp, weigh-ins coming up, I need to cut my calories out.

I'll still get up in the morning and have a massive bowl of porridge. I'll still have rice for my dinner and my fish and my salad and stuff like that as well. I don't need to cut it out. But like I said, it's down to how much work I'm doing and stuff like that. The amount you're burning. I mean, Jesus Christ, the amount of calories you must be burning.

It's insane. I had my watch on the other day, and I think I'd done something like almost nearly 5,000 or something ridiculous. 5,000 calories? I wore it all day from my training and my PTs and stuff like that. That's insane. Just think about eating 5,000 calories a day. Yeah, exactly.

You can't. Yeah, yeah. You can't. Yeah, that's crazy. So do you limit the amount of personal training you do? As the fight gets closer, I have to. If I've not got a fight coming up, I'll only train once a day just to keep sharp and keep on top of my game.

I might be able to do seven hours, no problem. But as the fight gets closer and closer, I'll cut down and cut down and cut down because obviously I don't want my body being tired. I've got a lot to lose every time I fight. i've got i'm like spread this is the brand now with these seminars and stuff as well so i need to make sure i'm going in there as on point as i can be so you think about it that way you don't think about you think about it as like you're basically a business yeah yeah of course yeah and um i've got a lot i've got a lot riding on it every time i fight i think that's been for a long a long time now i mean like all the country gets behind me but there got a lot riding on it every time I fight. I think that has been for a long time now.

I mean, like, all the country gets behind me, but there's a lot of players out there as well that want to see me lose, and they love it when I lose. Tell me who they are. I'm going to hunt them down with your bow. Well, there's no getting around that, man. If you're doing well, there's going to be people that hate you. Exactly.

And a lot of it, really, they just hate themselves. That's really what it is. Reception is projection. Well, yeah, I mean, what it is is just hate themselves that's really what it is well yeah i mean what it is is they see someone who's out there who's exceptional and it makes them compare their own life to this guy who's out there smashing everybody with 108 fights and they go that guy he's a video want to be kicking the pads the other day and some i got about four or five i've probably got loads more on that actually, but there were four or five comments that I noticed saying, kicking that wrong. I thought, I'll just click on the profile,

just have a look at them. They're all just selfies of themselves eating chocolate bars, and one of them with a dog. They're all about 175 kilos. Someone told you that you're kicking wrong? Yeah, yeah. That is hilarious.

We put a video up the other day, I was holding boxing pads for Liam while he's out here. I just hold boxing pads. I saw that, holy shit. Yeah, you're dropping your left hand. I was like, alright then Liam while he's out here. I just hold boxing pads. I saw that. And someone said, yeah, you're dropping your left hand. I was like, all right then. Thanks, fucking sugar Ray Leonard. If you ever have a fight, you're going to get knocked out.

Oh, God. What do you mean if I ever have a fight? It's a 109th fight. It's just hilarious that someone would actually say to you that you're kicking wrong. If anybody, all my friends out there that get flustered by people criticizing them on social media, I want to point them to that. Liam kicking wrong. If anybody, all my friends out there that get flustered by people criticizing them on social media, I want to point them to that.

Liam fucking Harrison. Someone's telling him that he's kicking wrong. That makes me want to cry laughing so hard. That's how fucking stupid some people are. But that just shows you that when you have an open forum where anyone can comment, anyone can say something you're going to run into a certain amount of those people there's just no getting around it yeah definitely you just can't you can't look at the comments you know you can't you can't read that you

know you just get assassinated from from all all corners well the thing is those people they might not even mean what they're saying they just they're they're it's verbal diarrhea they're just blah they're just angry. They're upset. The thing is, though, even if I looked at someone's video and I thought their technique wasn't on point or anything like that, I wouldn't even go on and write it. I mean, what gives you the right to go on and, like, try and put someone down or put in some, you know what I mean?

It's just, it's. Well, this is what I was going to say. Yeah, have you seen it? Of course, if it was a competitor or someone like that, you know, maybe someone's getting undue accolades, and you're like, this ain't shit. Or if someone you're supposed to fight. Not when you're like 420 pounds,

sat around just eating burgers all day. It's ridiculous, do you know what I mean? But he can eat more than you, though. Good point. Maybe not. You need 5,000 fucking calories, man. It's true. I've sat down with some fighters,

and you watch them eat, and you're like, where the fuck is all that going? You know? I mean, there's very few things in life that burn off more calories

than throwing kicks. You know? Especially the way you throw them. Like that, this amount of fucking energy you're generating.

Yeah, I mean, when I'm on the pads and stuff, every training session I put 100% in, especially when I'm on the pads and stuff, every training session I put 100% in, especially when I'm on the pads. Your pad work is fucking awesome to watch.

It's very inspirational. It's very fun. Obviously, as well, with that, that's just a little clip of what I'm doing on the pads. I mean, my old pad work ain't just me trying,

well, sometimes it's just me trying to smash the pads to pieces, but obviously there's a lot more technical aspects to it. That's just like a little clip

where I look through what someone's filming and go, oh, that was good, so I put it on. But obviously, there's bits richard's stopping me and putting me right what i'm doing wrong technique working the game plan and stuff like that they're obviously just little little snippets that i just put up um with me doing things wrong apparently

but that's obviously there's a sparring on a different technical side to it as well as that i mean that is like my style but i don't fight totally just like that. Just smash, smash, smash. You've got to be smart about it. Especially at the level of fighter. If I just started smashing things like that, I'm just going to walk onto a shot. At that level, it's going to be game over. Yeah, there's no way. Now, do you, in between fights, do you train with people that have other styles or different styles,

like maybe some Kyokushin guys or someone who's doing something different? I train a lot of MMA fighters at the minute I've got quite a lot guys coming to me. I've been doing a bit of work with my dear Casey from the UFC He's been training me a little bit. He's out in Florida now training there There's a gym in Leeds where I'm from called AVT. It's like a real hotbed some topper MMA guys out there I've got a young kid called Louis Lee Scott, 17 years old, 7-0 in MMA he'd been doing Muay Thai but

he's going to be an absolute superstar in MMA, no doubt his style, what he's got going on is so good because he's got the stand-up that we were, but we found like a medium to pull it into the MMA so his eyes are on point, his movement's on point but he still finds himself in the positions

to land the Muay Thai strikes with all that power, still generate the power, and still be out of there fast enough and quick enough not to be getting taken down and losing balance and falling all over the place. So watch out for him, he's going to be... He's a good kid, he's just signed with MTK, which is Mac the Knife Global,

which I'm going to be working with. They've got boxers, so I work with the mind side of that so they're getting onto it now But they've also gone into the MMA side till sign with them as well They've signed them to let they got boxes. They got Billy Joe Saunders who I know you like Tyson Fury and blah blah blah, but they've also got an MMA side run by Kieran Kettle and Yeah, they've just signed Louie Louie's exceptional. Well the UFC is now coming to Liverpool and Darren Till is going to be in the headline but he doesn't have a fight yet

correct? nothing confirmed yet I'm hoping it's going to be Usman Kamaru Usman him going back and forth on Twitter that guy gets no love Kamaru Usman

7-0 in the UFC smashes everybody everybody's scared of him nobody calls him out I don't think I'm pretty sure Till won't be scared of him he'd love it Till wouldn't he

he loves it yeah Till they've been going back and forth yeah he loves the guy for him yeah definitely what fight i'll be and the stand-up wise till has a massive advantage and then on the ground usman should have an advantage so it's it's a very interesting fight usman's a tank too that guy's animal yeah i've not seen too much of him but um it's because everybody's scared of him you can't get fights well that there you go usman is a fucking stud i mean that guy is no joke he he's like there's very few people calling that guy out yeah but till will be loving that oh yeah till's the one that's calling him yeah there you go he thrives on stuff yeah i've known darren since he were 16 years old and we used to be used to train together like muay thai

back and they used to come over my gym by company with his coach and we used to train together like Muay Thai back in the day. He used to come over to my gym, my company, with his coach and we used to work together and I'd pad work him and do bits with him. And he's always had that attitude and never been scared of anyone. Always been like, yeah, whatever, bring it on, bring it on. I believe there hasn't been a single guy in the UFC with one fight that's got as much hype as that guy. One fight fights Cowboy, smashes him. I mean, you see what he did to Cowboy.

Well, everyone knew then he's the realboy's world class He's always been special he's one of these kids like when I seen him growing up he's one of these kids that just comes and he's special and I mean

the city's behind him everyone because he comes to our gym when I train Four Corners Gym with John Gillies and Barley and all them

and Mick and Alan and he comes down there sticks his head in but he doesn't train but I haven't trained there but he comes and sees us and he's a great guy but his coach

Colin Heron I grew up with kind of because I was trained when I had Ty Goldmaster skin and we used to do demos and stuff

because believe it or not I used to be alright but Colin was always a little bit better and since then he's got Carl Bon Jim and he's had UFC fighters from Liverpool

but now he's got this star in Darren and the whole city he gets a bit like him in Leeds they just get swarmed by people now was this when

Darren was fighting Muay Thai that he became popular yeah well when he fought Muay Thai didn't he he was always like one of the most

naturally talented kids you would ever see he's with Simon Audley then a different coach yeah he used to come down to our gym and he'd have a fight coming up

and he would just be wiping the floor with everyone. He didn't even really train hard back then either. He used to come down, he was a young kid, he'd mess around,

he'd run riot and didn't really hardly train but still turn up, fight and win. Since then, someone with that natural talent he's now got that dedication, that hard work.

So someone who's that naturally talented and who's going to work that hard, that's going to be a force work that hard that's gonna be a Southpaw yeah, yeah, we reckon when he stepped in and caught cowboy with that left elbow Stepped in and just just drove up that elbow and smashed cowboys nose you like wow that was fast Because distance so quick yeah, well calling his trainer. He was a

quick as well but colin his trainer he was uh he trained muda kwan is it taekwondo yeah he was like black belt at 11 or something like that and you know he's just colin takes no you know colin just says that's the way it's a bit like richard that's the way it is that's what you got to do that's what you're doing and since that since darren's had that influence in his life like liam said and obviously the story about him going to Brazil, he's just been another level. What makes a guy naturally talented? You take a guy like Darren Till, when you say naturally talented,

what is it about a guy like that that just picks things up quicker? I don't know. It's hard to explain. Some people just walk into a bad company gym and they'll have two or three lessons and they'll just be able to, they'll have that flow, the movement, the rhythm and stuff like that.

Darren were like that ever since, I remember when he first started, I remember his coach saying, I've got this kid, you need to see him. You need to come and look at him. Southpaw, you should see him kick. He's only been training a few months. And when I saw him, I was like, he looks like he's a seasoned pro, five, six years of training. We've had plenty like that walk in now gym at Bad Company. And they'll come in, they'll have a few fights and they're like it's all right this but as soon as it gets

hard and the level steps up and they realize how hard they have to work to actually compete at that level that's the end of them you don't really see them anymore and it's like the biggest waste of talent you've ever seen we've had plenty like a walk through our gym yeah it's not many it's not enough no not not when you get to that level it is to a certain level when you can get yourself out of jail, but when the level steps up and everyone's working hard and people who are as talented as you are working hard, then that's when you're going to be in trouble. That's why Darren's gone off and done what he's done.

That's why he's shown what he's all about. There's this class, my youngest daughter, she's seven. She takes martial arts, takes this mixed martial arts class. There's this five-year-old in this class, and they're doing drills in their bag, and I'm watching this five-year-old kick the bag. He's got his hands up high, he's moving like this, da-da, bang!

Turns the hip over perfect, even his switch kick, and I'm watching this five-year-old, and I went over to his parents, and I went, if I was a strike, if I was like a Coach that was looking to recruit a fighter at a young age I grabbed that fucking kid like that kid's special like this something that he figured out at five at five All the other kids you're looking at all the other kids in the class They're flailing their arms all over the place not paid attention up their baby

This fucking kid is like this his hands are glued right below his eyes like bang bang crack bang bang crack well like five our kids class at bad company i don't like training upstairs at the same time when they're on because all the technique is so good it's embarrassing sometimes you look at them all and you think like from six to twelve these are amazing but like i say it's only the ones that really want it who are really willing to put their work in will go from the next level

and the next level and the next level because a lot drop off no matter how talented there are not a lot of people like having to go to that place

where you need to go to get to a good level yeah he doesn't like people watching him when he can't do things well either like when he's learning things he likes to

go over in the corner and practice things on his own it's like very interesting when you watch someone who's just got a special inclination towards something. There's a kid called Shea Williams from Liverpool,

and all the blokes I talk about, he's eight. Eight? I'm friends with his dad, Mick. Eight? Yeah, he's eight. Everyone's talking about an eight-year-old. All these guys, you know, these big, strong, like, all right, me fucking, I love you, see you,

and our kids, he's fucking brilliant, eight years of age, lovely kid, but he's just one of these kids that can do everything yeah dad i can balance on one hand i'll tell you what the best video on youtube is that we saw the other day as well them two young uh the black american oh yeah oh my god the boxing coaches that kid's amazing did you see that yeah the coach and what he was saying the one holding the part he was right he knows more than most boxing trainers i've ever seen in my life he's like 5 years old

yeah exactly and the hand speed unbelievable amazing brilliant best video I've seen I'm absolutely amazing yeah that

whoever fucks with that kid in school yeah they're in trouble that's a big problem maybe it's that kid that sent that thing saying you drop it you left it

if it is him you better fucking listen up I'm sorry you better listen up man I'm sorry you're getting hated on by six-year-olds yeah it's um i think it's interesting today too as opposed to in the past that you can watch videos like that and then you know before you'd have to like watch a vhs tape and sit down and analyze it and pause it like now

you could be at a fucking bus stop on your phone and you could watch world class fighters instantly. Instantly. The thing with that is as well though, with the internet as well as being able to watch world class fighters instantly. Here's a kid. Look at this kid. That's him and his dad I guess. Look at that fucking technique. Unbelievable.

Look it's incredible. He ducks under, I mean everything. Blocking punches. Fucking amazing. Man. Look at that. incredible. He ducks under. I mean, everything. Blocking punches. Fucking amazing, man. Look at that. It goes to the body. That's crazy. I mean, he looks like he's four.

That's a different kid. That's an even tinier kid. Yeah. Very impressive. But yeah, the thing with the internet as well, though, what's starting to happen now, though, a lot, especially in the UK, people will say, right, we're trying to match a show. Right, we've got a guy here. He's had three fights. here he's had free fights your guy's had free fights

let's match him and they go oh no give me his name I need to search him on YouTube I need to search his Facebook I need to search this so as well as being a blessing

it's a curse for stuff like that because back when I started fighting everybody would say Richard would just go to me I'd walk in the gym Richard would go you're fighting on Saturday

this might be on Wednesday I'd go alright and then after that you turn up Saturday you have your fight but now it's like I want to know his name he's Jim what's his Facebook isn't that a badge of courage to to be able to do that like that's something that people would always admire like a guy that would come into the gym and someone would say would you like to fight this weekend they go

fuck yeah martini man anytime anywhere yeah I mean that that is what you're here for everyone I Jim's always been like that well we are down yeah gosh from Richard well we've got a big junior circuit now Yeah, I mean, that is what you're here for. Everyone in our gym's always been like that. But I'm sure it trickles down from you. Yeah, of course, from Richard, from you guys. The thing is as well, we've got a big junior circuit now with Yakao. We've got Yakao Next Generation. How do you feel about that, about little kids fighting? They don't fight head contact.

No head contact? Just leg kicks, body kicks? Yeah, so it makes them more skilled, does that? A lot more skilled. Oh, for sure. Low kick, push kicks and everything. I mean, some of the kids we've got. We've got another kid

they can't head kick either no just strictly body we got some kids from like from Richard's two sons yeah Finley and Fergus

yeah and we got Joe Ryan Lewis George Joe Ryan what year what year do you let them well Joe Ryan's just 13 he's just fought pro in Thailand

and knocked out I think an 18 year old Thai boy yeah so is Riley Smith whoa whoa whoa he fought pro in Thailand when he was 13? Last week. Oh my God.

Yeah. There's a video on YouTube. Where the fuck are his parents? Yeah, but they were there with him. But this kid is special. He's taller than me. He's 13. He's taller than me.

Wow. He fights at about 59, 60 kilos. I've done a lot of work with him one-to-one as well. His dad has done an amazing job with him. Is he unbeaten in 36 fights? He was unbeaten in 36 fights. 36 fights and he's 13. I think he lost in the IFMAs in Russia

against a kid that was like 16 and he weighed four kilos heavier. We've got another kid called Riley Smith, Jonathan Haggerty. Keep this thing close to your face. Sorry, sorry. We've got some right kids that are coming through. Jonathan Haggerty, who's just been on Yokao Special,

20 years old, beat a great fighter, veteran called Keefin. Brilliant fighter. Now what kind of program do you have for these young kids? Do you have classes based on age groups? Do you have classes based on weight classes? Or do you just have kids classes? Well at Bad Company Gym, the kids classes

6 to 12 year old. There's about 40 or 50 sometimes in our kids classes and there'll be about three or four of the instructors taking it, fighters will all be up in the ring, fight training intermediates will be in the middle, beginners down at the end so everyone's got someone catering for them helping them bring through, all the fighters are working together

watching them, it's just like watching the mini version of all our fighters upstairs, it's class to watch sometimes, I like just going and watching them all training and sparring with each other and clinching and helping each other. And then a lot of them will stay behind after the class and really not putting the extra hours and the extra work.

And it's good watching. Sometimes you'll see someone come in the gym and they're walking right shy. And then I look at them again two months later and I'll see them on the pads going, bam, bam, bam. And he's like looking around going, yeah, see that, see that.

It's class watching that happen, do you know what I mean? And you see him going through from being like walking at gym being a shy little seven, eight year old boy and then smashing the pads and having the first fight. Our junior team is so good

because obviously we've got Richard and Lisa training them. But my cousin Andy is also a five time world champion. He's doing PTs with a lot of them.

Joe Craven's only like 19 years old but he's so good with the kids as well. So they've got a wealth of experience. And like I say, they're all just going, bap, bap, bap, and the next minute, they're up there fighting and just smashing it.

And I think we've got, we had 18 fights for our junior team last week, and I think we won somewhere like 16. Now, I'd asked you earlier, when we were working out together, you've never really considered fighting MMA. No. Like I say, it took me a long time to get where i am in muay thai and let's be honest who's going to stand up in front of me if i don't ring i'd have to get my ground game so i'm so good right

it's taking a long time and to be honest i'm really enjoying i love muay thai i love i love fighting muay thai and i think you can only be good at something that you're passionate about if i got in there and I thought, well, I'll do this because there's a lot of money involved in it, I wouldn't be where I am. I fight Muay Thai because I absolutely love it. Your style, though, it's really interesting. It would apply very well to MMA.

When I'm teaching the MMA fighters that I do train, I think I have got that good medium of how the striking needs to be without getting taken down and off balancing yourself because I'm not arrogant enough to go in there and say right Muay Thai you need to do this in MMA you need to fight like a Thai and do that I'm not arrogant enough I know there has to be changes and I think

I do spot that well and it does work with the fighters I train but like I say I love fighting Muay Thai that's where my heart is and maybe if someone came over and said, no, there's loads of money. Do you want to?

Maybe, yeah, but I'm a stand-up fighter. Right. Have you done any wrestling or jujitsu or anything like that? I haven't, no. I've always been so concentrated

on my Muay Thai fight career. I'm always booked out all year. I don't really get, I thought about it before doing it with AVT with Danny Mitchell, but I'm booked out on fights. I've got July get, I've thought about it before doing a bit with AVT with Danny Mitchell, but I'm booked out when fights.

I've got July, August, October, November. You're already booked. I'm booked out right to the end of the year. So you do that

that many fights in advance? Yeah, yeah. That's very different than like boxing. Yeah, a year and a half in advance. A year and a half in advance?

Almost, yeah, yeah. Wow. No kidding. It's penciled in, so I'm not going to have no time anyway because I need to stay on top of my own training

just so I'm ready to go from one fight to the next. And if you get injured? Obviously, I have to pull out. I brought my foot in my last fight in Paris in December. Brought my foot, split my shin, and I couldn't fight. In March, I meant to fight two weeks ago, but obviously I couldn't do that one. Injuries are part of the sport.

Are you back to kicking things now? I'm back kicking 100%, and as soon as I get back home home i'll be back in camp ready to go in july that's impressive three months later you're throwing hard kicks yeah yeah now when you started working with vinny what was what was the big difference like what's the big difference in doing this uh mind coaching and like what what have you noticed improvement in my awareness like the stuff with the hackle that we're on about and uh the anchoring it yeah your awareness increases when you anchor what do you what are you thinking when you touch when you smash your gloves together at the beginning of the fight i'm sure everyone it'll be different um what i'm doing is that when

i'm pushing my gloves together all the stuff we've worked on like the hackle out the awareness everything's always coming into me the warrior it sticks with me that word will always stick with me after we've worked before i'm sure people have worked with him and got different stuff that they're anchoring well that's what i'm anchoring when you say anchoring would you bringing it in and bringing it all back into it all the stuff that we've worked on like when we did the anawat fight the warrior stuff we also had another fight um against andre coolbin i got wrote off by everyone in this fight he He'd been to England twice before. He'd knocked out two of our top guys in the weight above me. So I stepped up in weight to fight him.

And I went and did a bit of work with Vinny then. And there were a few key words that we said then. One of them were visible damage. And what were the other ones? Hot knife through butter. Hot knife through butter. Because I said to him, hot knife through butter. Hot knife through butter.

So you guys in your goddamn accents would you learn how to speak american english hot knife food butter so that's pretty good what i said to vinnie is i said i don't want to beat this guy i said everyone's writing me off i said i want to smash him to absolute smithereens he told me the game plan he told me the game plan he already told me what he was going to do with I told everyone

how I was going to win and no one believed me yeah and then but I obviously because you know if you didn't mention it I'm as big as then

and what we did I did a CD for him so I said listen to this CD before you go to bed so I recorded this this CD and it was weird

because I again I was commentating thankfully on it was on the main event wasn't it and I was watching it and it was like because i would again i was commentating thankfully on it was on the main event wasn't it and i was watching it and it was like playing a video game because it's just like low kick bank it was just like and everything that i and all the thing that i said kind of kind of cheating in it i was like it's like a hot knife through but only went bang and he just i mean if you ever see it the absolute he destroyed coolabin and coolabin is a is a legendary fighter from

belarus and it was just it went down yeah every time i kicked him i could see our rating him and that's what were coming into my head and again it's weird it's hard to explain unless you actually do work with him and but yeah it worked again perfect i know i worked perfect and that one what was the game plan that people didn't believe um i said to everyone i said i'm going to stop him in three rounds and because he i was moving up in weight and because he knocked out two other top fighters in England

from that weight above. Who did he knock out? He knocked out Michael Dix. Michael Dix in first round and I think he stopped him in Rand Kahn as well. Oh, okay. And I told everyone

I was going to stop him. I said, his leg's too straight. So I'm going to smash his leg. I'm going to stop him with low kicks. And I said, it'll be like a hot knife. And I stopped him in round three

with low kicks. Now, when i said it'll be like a hot knife and i stopped him in round three with low kicks now when you were creating this cd for him like what was the goal what was your objective he told me what he was going to do so i reaffirmed it so we did like a trans thing where you go into you know you lead anyone into an induction and then he just played out the fight in his mind telling him the specifics of what he told me and how he speaks. Because you have to use their language back to them if I said something that's not in their vocabulary. Obviously, I'm not saying you're thick. But I am.

Smacking wall. So he had to add lots of what he told me into the CD. So it went in, it works. I've never done it before. It was a gamble. I just thought, you know what? It seems like you could probably do that for a lot of people, right? Different things that you're trying to work on,

if you could just listen to it in your earbuds or something like that while you're doing other things? Yeah, of course. I have people now who work with me for a year, like clients that want to work with me for a year. They pay me for a year, and they just want to ring me and talk about stuff. It's become like a real sort of different than hypnotherapy and just being a therapist in just that sort of way.

But, yeah, it's possible. And, look, the reason why we're doing this is because number one as i said he's my friend but number two what we do works it's not these are tried and tested he's eight times world champion i'm his mind coach you know obviously he's got a great coaching richard and everybody but what we do works and people are starting to see the benefits the feedback we've got from like san Boxing Club, Artem and Jesse and all them, it's been mind-blowing, hasn't it? Well, there's definitely

good states of mind to go into anything that's difficult. And again, fighting is one of the most difficult things. And then there's bad states of mind. And those states of mind can determine the outcome. And just to have something that you can get to in your mind that can put you on the right path, like what you were saying, warrior or hakalao, like these anchors that you're doing, like these different things.

I feel like these are applicable for everyday life, too. That this is something that people could really benefit from. That this is something that people could really benefit from. Instead of just being random and wild with your thoughts and your ideas going into something and hoping that you have a good point of view and a good perspective, instead of that, have these clear paths that you've already thought through. Yeah, I mean, your mind has to have a clear set. It has to know a way to go. Think of it like a TomTom or a sat-nav.

You point that in that direction, and that's the roads it's going to take you to. If you put in the wrong direction, say you type someone in Illinois, and you're driving around Los Angeles looking for it, you're not going to find it. So we have to be specific. And what I do is I try and get my programs that I do,

various programs that I do, is I have to get what the client wants. And then once I get the client wants, I put that in, but then I find out what's getting in their way through the language. They kind of language it wrong. You know, they say, I want this, and say, yeah, but you're saying that. And it's, I love the job. It's such a blessing to be able, and I'm not being all, you know,

roasting at glasses, and I absolutely love my job. I love people, like the people with the feedback. If I'm getting messages saying, I feel different, I'm happier. There's no better job in the world. Not at all. Well, I mean, you know better than anybody that as a fighter, the way you think and your mindset, that affects your training. It affects your outcome.

It affects how you feel in between trainings. And then absolutely affects the way you fight. Yeah, of course it does. training it affects your outcome it affects how you feel in between trainings it's like and then absolutely affects the way you fight yeah of course it does i mean i reckon like i mentioned earlier i reckon i've lost fights on points because my mindset's been wrong going into it thinking right this is going to be an absolute war this and i've gone in there thinking right i'm ready for war i'm ready for this and i've got outpointed because i've gone in there thinking that if i'd have gone in there maybe a bit more relaxed sharper on point I'd have been playing the game but I wanted to adjusted I'd adjusted but I didn't but I thought you know I mean it like you just said it happens but if you are on point with your mind

that needs to be as strong as your body like I said before you can never ever be too well prepared that's why I've gone to Vinny and I have used him and it has worked for me in massive massive massive fights do you meditate at all um i do the wim off method again vinnie we love wim off vinnie and vinnie and jordan show me about that i remember i saw jordan doing it one time before i fight i said oh what you're doing there and he told me wim off so i asked vinnie what it was and then i started with the cold showers every morning the breathing and again I've seen massive changes in that in like my heart rate and that is

absolutely amazing how that works his rest impulse rate was 31 no Jordan's were 31 mine was 32 fuck dread

you missed it by a beat yeah that one beat is everything I went to Wim's house luckily I know because I work for Infusion and they did a little bit of a documentary on him and I went to Wim's house luckily I know because I work for Infusion they did a little bit of a documentary on him

and I went with Mohamed Kamal who I know really well, great guy and we went to his house and we went in the frozen water and all that sort of stuff and then I started following doing this stuff and I've seen him on your show twice he's he's like

a Jedi isn't he? He's brilliant. There's something about him. His perspective and his enthusiasm is not just infectious. It's like it changes you. Yeah, it does. He changes the way you think about things. Yeah, I want to meet him. He's awesome. I'll hook that up.

Yeah, I would absolutely love that. Have you done cryotherapy at all? I have, yeah. My friend in Liverpool, Doc, he's got one. Whenever I've had a real... Obviously, my body gets a lot of wear and tear. Holding pads takes a lot out of you. Especially when you've got to train twice as well on top of that. Your fucking forearms, right?

Yeah, yeah. Bruisers? Yeah, my back. Obviously, if I'm sparring, my legs are beat up. Yeah, yeah. You have fucking elbows and forearms? Yeah, exactly. I get stiff, my legs are beat up. Yeah, yeah. You have fucking elbows and forearms. Yeah, exactly. I get stiff, and after a hard week of training and a hard week of teaching,

I do need that. So I go over to Liverpool, and I jump in there, and I always come out feeling like a million bucks all the time. No, I love it. I love it. What about isolation tanks? Have you done sensory deprivation tanks? No, I've never done that.

I got one here. You want to try it? Hell yeah. How much time do you got? We've got enough time. We've got time? You've got time? Okay, beautiful. We'll set you up. You'll get bored. Let me out of here. Want to try it? Hell yeah. How much time do you got? We've got enough time. You've got time? Okay, beautiful.

We'll set you up. You'll get bored. Let me out of bored. No, no, no. You won't, man. You think that. You go in as long as you want. All right.

I have one right over here. I fucking love it, man. It's amazing. He's on all sorts now. Since we've come to California, we've got to feel supreme. Our mates, Matty Murphy has got him on CBD oil. He's doing all that. CBD is great. Hair follicle things and stuff. Really great with CBDs. I don't have it here. supreme our mates from that matty murphy's got him on cbd oil he's doing all that cbd's great

hair follicle things and really great with cbds this i don't have it here i left it in my car um i have this uh lotion cbd lotion you apply it topically where you got like bruises or told me about information not tried that great man but i got a test yeah yeah i got a test done by um my sponsors like they took all the hair follicles out of me. They tested them all so they could test what I should be eating, what food's good for me. Your hair follicles? Hair follicle test, yeah.

They sent it off to the lab and they tested it all. Why would they test that and not blood? I'm not sure. I have no idea how it works. But they came back and they said, right, this is what you should eat, this is what you shouldn't eat. If this is in your diet, try taking it out because this is causing some disruption here and stuff.

What kind of stuff are they saying causes this might be horse shit? what you should eat, this is what you shouldn't eat. If this is in your diet, try taking it out because this is causing some disruption here and stuff. It really interests me. What kind of stuff are they saying causes, this might be horse shit. Checking your hair. What about your toenails? Certain different fruits and stuff like that. Raspberries and nuts and stuff are causing some sort of disruption in my diet. It'd be better if I took

them out. Almonds. I went to one of those places and they told me to stop eating avocados. I'm like, get the fuck out of here. There's nothing wrong with avocados. You guys are quacks. I like avocados. Avocados are great for you.

It's one of the best foods you can eat. I'm like, what? Avocado? Fuck out of here. I just want to say, because we've been here for a couple of weeks now, right? The coolest thing I've seen is how the fuck did you hit that target? That my mind that i could not believe it oh the archery

target that was amazing well i do it every day you are robin hood you're from fucking nottingham get over it kill the sheriff 45 yards and to hit that little small hole like that is not not difficult yeah you just don't have training session as well so you'd have had a bit of a shake yeah you were sweating but i just broke the have training session as well so you'd have had a bit of a shake. Yeah, you were sweating. But I just broke the record of kicking that pad so I was excited. Hell yeah.

That's what it was. We were there. Yeah, I was excited. We got on film. Luckily, we were a little concerned. We had a spliced sound

from the other one because, yeah, we had more than one recording of it luckily but that thing that Francis Ngannou punched that

almost as hard as I kicked that that's how fucking hard that oh here it is right here is Francis punched that fucking thing that is hard where's 152 that's the highest that's the highest ever registered on that thing someone will break it someone I mean I don't think that many people are kicking that thing. Yeah, we're not going to break it today. Not today, bitch. I got that. But, yeah, that archery thing, man, it's the same thing as, like, today,

when you were showing me different things. Like, you guys showing me just a little bit of an adjustment changed the power of that kick. Just that little extra... It's all body mechanics. Every strike, every sweep, everything I teach is always body mechanics. And just that little bit extra will get... It's the same thing

with archery. With archery, it's all about posture and form and you've got to have your elbow up high and everything has to be perfect and you're pulling with your back. I mean, there's a lot of parallels between archery and fighting. Yeah, but you just went, didn't he?

Yeah. Picked it up. Because I just watched the arrow and it just went, and I just thought, shit, you don't need to fight. But I do, like, again, I do that every day.

It's amazing. You know, I shoot arrows every day. And that's at 45 yards of my house. I do 90 yards. Yeah? Yeah. So that's about as far as I'd shoot an animal, though. It's 45 yards.

Like, maybe I'd shoot a pig or something that nobody gives a shit about. Like, I'd shoot it, like, 70 yards or something like that. You're lucky you don't have them in England, man. We've got problems with them here. What pig problems? Oh, they're invasive species. Really? They're crazy, and they breed three, four times a year.

They'll have, like, 10, 12 pigs a litter. Planet of the pigs? Yeah, planet of the pigs. Three or four times a year sounds like my life. Man, I'm telling you. Happy birthday for tomorrow, Lisa, by the way. Oh, sweetie. You got to, there's videos of pigs in Texas.

Texas is so bad that they opened up a highway, and the day they opened it, they built this highway, and the day they opened it, there was something like 40 car accidents with pigs. People were driving by, the pigs were running across the road and they're just slamming them into it. There are millions of pigs in Texas. Millions. Not a lot. Well, they're an invasive species.

They were brought over here in California by William Randolph Hearst. You know that crazy guy that Orson Wells made that movie Rosebud about? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's also the reason why marijuana's illegal over here, too. Right. He made those propaganda articles

blaming marijuana for causing Mexicans and blacks to rape white women. It was this crazy propaganda, but it was all so that he didn't have to switch his factories over to hemp because they had come out with a new machine called a decorticator that allowed them to process hemp fiber. Hemp just makes a way better paper.

And he had all these paper mills and all these forests that were dedicated to trees they would make paper out of. And so when they came out with this decorticator, they're like, well, hemp is the new industry. He's like, yeah, the fuck it is and so he this crazy asshole like literally is the reason why marijuana is so illegal and demonized not just in america but around the world and he let a bunch of fucking wild pigs loose on his he has this gigantic estate these fucking things are everywhere bro this ain't shit i mean these these look more like domestic nightclub in leeds does that these are domestic pigs bro jamie these are not these are not wild pigs yeah it's shut down a freeway in texas oh you know what it is though that's a like a truck fell over

yeah they were inside it yeah but those are like regular pigs like in bhutan wild pigs would never be around a person like that they would fucking be out of there yeah in bhutan they it's at the bhutan a country called bhutan and I've heard that they feed pigs cannabis. Sure, probably tastes good. But it does. Make them delicious bacon, gets you high as fuck. And then when you get drug tested like Canelo,

you go, it's because of my pork pie. So you guys don't believe Canelo with the Clambuterol? I don't know, I just love GGG, don't we? Yeah, GGG's like the lord to us. But you've got to appreciate Canelo as well, right? Yeah, it's fantastic. Canelo's a bad motherfucker. Yeah, he's like the lord to us but you gotta appreciate Canelo as well right I mean Canelo's a bad motherfucker

yeah he's a great fighter but I just I can't see I can't see he passed the GGG win this time yeah well I think

GGG won the first time yeah I do definitely I think he was nervous by two or three rounds the first fight I think he was nervous really

why do you think that first pay-per-view fight and first you know big big big fight yeah you could tell early doors, couldn't you? He didn't see himself early doors. It took him until three or four to get going, but when he did and then found that steady pressure

and got behind his jab, he was fine. Yeah, he's brilliant. And we've seen that little clip that he said he's going to change. So I think he's going to go to the body more. Yeah, I think he should have done that in the first fight when he was up on the ropes. Canelo really good at evading his right hand, wasn't he? If he'd have gone to the body then, I think... I think there's going to be a lot of that and i think there's

going to be a lot more jabs yeah plus jabs his job is so underrated like what he did to david lemieux yeah smashed him to pieces with his job yeah see what abel sanchez said that when you when he turns to the right what happened was the referee was because he was turning to his his his left to get away from the right hand. He was exposing his back. And if Gigi had hit him there, he was worried about getting a point taken off. So the referee would have called him on that. Yeah, that's ridiculous. Yeah, he should be able to punch someone.

Especially if the referee was as bad as the judge. Well, there was one. Adelaide Bird. Adelaide Bird, yeah. Unbelievable. Sweet lady. Very nice lady. Big fuck off glasses like that.

Like massive thick rings. She was responsible for some wacky ass fucking decisions She's done it a lot Yeah she's done it a lot A lot And no one does anything about it What were the other main boxing ones she did it in? Holyfield Holyfield

Yeah yeah Wasn't she a part of the whole Pacquiao Tim The fuck's his name Just retired Oh yeah Desert Storm Tim Bradley Yeah Wasn't she a part of that as well? I don't know Tim, what the fuck's his name? He just retired. Oh, yeah. Desert Storm Tim Bradley. Wasn't she a part of that as well?

I don't know. I think she's the one that gave Canelo the draw against Mayweather when he got screwed. Yeah, yeah. Really? Did she really? That's hilarious. She should be fired. Yeah, that was close.

Very nice lady again. Very nice lady. The Stevie Wonder world of judging. I think she should be fired. Yeah, that was close. Very nice lady again. Very nice lady. The Stevie Wonder world of judging. That's crazy that she gave Canelo a draw against Mayweather. I mean, he got fucking schooled in that fight. Massively. Yeah, big time. Did he land?

Did he land? Not much. Not much. That was an interesting... Well, in his defense, Mayweather drained him down to like... Yeah, 152 or something. Yeah, something like that. But they caused that. Do you know that? No. that no they said well we'll fight you at 152. and uh elena

deliby went okay because he said we was going to do it 154 and he says we don't care we'll go down to 152 and they went thanks what a stupid mistake so they just left the south wide open for themselves yeah yeah you could tell he was seriously sluggish in that yeah yeah well he makes anyone look sluggish though don't it to be fair yeah he does man he's amazing like what floyd is able to do like his control of distance and his his understanding of what you're gonna do next is so incredible yeah like you see him pop a jab and then before the guy even throws the right hand he's like he's gone yeah and the right hand passes him he pops him with the left hook and he's out there yeah he's like i knew what you were gonna do he did that where it marked he did that

way so he popped him and just dumped and he would go on right back of him before i'd even realized yeah and he did some great things with um roberto robert robert guerrero yes that's what we've got a boxer in england called josh kelly have you seen him yes i have yeah i love that guy yeah you guys have a lot of great boxers over there now i mean, obviously, you have the world champion, Anthony Joshua. Do you hear the UFC is going to offer him $500 million for some crazy contact? Yeah, we heard that this morning. I wonder if that's real. Do it.

I wonder if it's real. Joshua vs. Ngannou. Someone's going to sleep. Jesus Christ. I mean, Francis is a great MMA fighter, but he's been fighting for five years. He just hits fucking unbelievably hard. I can't believe that you said he got 120,000 on that machine. I think he's been fighting for five years. He just hits fucking unbelievably hard. I can't believe that you said he got 120,000 on that machine. I think he's like 120-something.

I think... 129. 129? That's so crazy! Wow. That's so crazy. That's what I get with a kick. You have legs that carry you around all day. That is absolutely...

I'm only 100 behind him. Well, you know, in his defense, he's 100 pounds heavier than me, but just what in the fuck? His hands are so big. Every time I shake his hands, I'm like, how is that a person? I mean, it's like shaking hands with a brick, like a giant brick. They're just so big. I've got little baby hands as well.

He'd probably crush mine. He's a fucking huge dude, man. I mean, and we were talking before about how in his background, he worked as a child in a sand mine digging sand shoveling all day just all day

digging sand like what a what a great workout that is for your body his whole story is ridiculous I'd say we're almost five years ago

we were homeless and now he's fighting for UFC title yeah and came real close yeah it's a great story I mean if anybody else

other than Stipe Stipe's so fucking tough and skilled and kept away from him. But you saw what he did to Overeem. K1 Grand Prix champion, dream champion, Strikeforce heavyweight champion. Francis put him into orbit. His head nearly came off his shoulders, man. It was ridiculous.

And you could see the way Overeem was fighting him, too. He's like, It's like aware of any fuck up at any moment. Is this it? 129,161. I got 150... What was it? 152? That was today, though. The other day,

I was super fucking happy with Tyrone Spong was the former previous record, 114. He's got 129,161 with a a punch I got 152 today bitch but that's what his arms man I mean that is it's it's very possible to really over emphasize how fucking crazy that kind of power is with your hands gonna be bigger than my legs or to be fair oh yeah no doubt bigger than my legs say my legs little pins well a guy like

that i believe francis is 33 i mean imagine if they caught him when he was 23 you know i mean imagine that guy it's like that's what you were saying before it's when you get a real champion what you're getting is the top genetics the top talent, skill, mindset, and discipline. Yeah, and they've got that out there, and they want it. It's wanting it that's the main thing. Because a lot of fighters, they'll have an hard fight,

and they'll get out. I've seen this again in our gym. They'll get out, they'll have won, but the fight will have been hard. And I remember coming back going, phew, that was hard. It's a fucking fight. It's going to be.

It's meant to be hard. You know what you're signing up for here. You know what you're doing. Yeah. Yeah, and then I've never seen him again. Yeah. I can understand that, though, can't you, as well? Of course, of course you have, yeah.

You have a certain amount of real sort of... You wanted to be world champion pretty much straight away, didn't you, when you started? Yeah, of course. You was 19 when you won your first World's Hartman. 19, yeah. That's crazy. In Italy, yeah. First time I fought Sancho, first was out 19 yeah in that's crazy italy yeah

and first time i fought sunshine i were 21. what's going on with giorgio petrosian uh he's fighting on um won championships oh he's fighting no he's they've got a stand-up they've got a stand-up now yeah really yeah sign like fabio pinker george joe protrosian godson they signed y'all yeah yeah i thought y'allats and clive retired last month and he won again a couple weeks off yeah this is boring yeah basically that guy can punch man for a tie southpaw as well that guy starches people i remember when jordan fought him in in thailand or in the corner for jordan and j Jordan came back at the end of round 2 I went to take his

gumshoe down he went duh I went why he went all my teeth are in it he knocked all his teeth out wow

close fight though Jordan had a real close fight with him Jordan's exceptional Jordan was here the first time I came yeah no I remember Jordan yeah I mean

it's the level of talent these days is just so fucking amazing and one is one FC really huge in Asia like how big is it

massive they've got yeah are they like UFC level yeah yeah Michael Chavello's doing that is he yeah he's doing that

I love that guy yeah he's a good guy what they've done is now I think they've started like three different so they've got the MMA and then they've got the hybrid or it's Muay Thai

in little gloves in the cage like John Wayne Parsley yeah CMT yeah CMT and then they've got the mma and then they've got the hybrid or it's muay thai in little gloves in the cage like john wayne pars yeah yeah yeah and then they've got just uh stand-up muay thai with eight ounce gloves and or is it k1 i think i think it's i think it's kickboxing with the eight ounce gloves so they're gonna have three separate things now there's certain guys that you just see a silhouette of them even if you didn't see their face, you would know who it was. You know my favorite? That is San Chai.

If you saw a silhouette of him just moving around, you'd be like, oh yeah. I've fought him three times. I'm used to him booting me all over the place. What is that like, fighting that guy? Hard. You know what? It won't so much his power or anything.

He's accurate. If he wants to hit you straight much his power, he's accurate, if he wants to hit you straight on the chin, he'll hit you straight on the chin, if he wants to kick you clean across the ribs, he'll kick you clean across the ribs, the first time I fought him, I was only 21, a real close fight,

I just showed him a little bit too much respect, so again, like I was saying about the Anna White fight earlier, I was saying, get me a rematch, get me a rematch, I can do better than that, I can do better,

and I honestly believed, going into that fight, I was going to win, and in the second fight, get me a rematch. I can do better than that. I can do better. And I honestly believed going into that fight I was going to win. And in the second fight, we absolutely smashed each other to smithereens. I cut him really bad. I rocked him with punches. He hurt me as well with a punch and wobbled my legs. We absolutely battered each other.

I remember in round four, I won the fourth round, and he went grey in the corner. I went and sat down. I went, I'm fucking hell, I'm going to win here. I'm going to win. By the time round five and up and again all color back in skin i blinked and he'd kicked me about 16 times i went how the did he do that i ended around to my coach and my coach went because he's sanchai yeah

and then yeah it's his eyes and stuff that second fight even though i lost it he's one of my favorites because to be able to push the greatest of all time, or at least of the last 20, 30 years, into that deep water. I was really proud of that. It was one of my best moments in sport. He even said afterwards, one of my toughest fights. We're good friends now and stuff. I'll probably go over to Thailand and train with him at some point. What amazes me about him is his movement.

He's very unusual in the way he moves around a light on his feet in and out and switches stances constantly and is very creative with his approaches like he does all sorts of weird shit like there's one fight it's on his um san chai thailand um instagram he he's got a guy up against the ropes and he steps hard to the right and he throws a left high kick and it takes his head off and it's like straight up in the ropes and he steps hard to the right and he throws a left high kick. And it takes his head off. And it's like straight up in the air. Yeah.

I mean it's like he's throwing it like this. Well if you watch what he does first, I think he sets it up by kicking the leg and then bringing the other one over. Yeah. But he's a master of all stuff like that. I remember the first time I fought him, he jumped in the air and I looked up and I got kicked in the leg and I thought what the fuck was that? Where did that come from?

I would look at him in the air but my leg got got kicked and I'm thinking how did he do that? And then when I watched it back I realized and yeah some of the stuff he does and no one else can do that He's so creative artistry isn't it? Yeah, and that's what you get Eyes as well. Yeah, yeah The same yeah, that's it. I'm sorry. He's a Lomachenko Muay Thai, right? Lomachenko is the same. He's artistry. They're the same sorts.

He's Lomachenko, Muay Thai. Right. It's also the way he hits pads are different. Like the way you hit pads. He's just tapping. He's not hitting a full blast. But you don't want to get hit by any of it. But he's constantly moving. When he wants to hit hard as well, he can.

Like I said, a few times he hit me clean on chin. And I remember thinking, fucking hell, I wasn't expecting that. Yeah, where he like working the pads like when you see the way he throws kicks like he's not he's not like he could probably do that all day yeah he just saw loose and flexible and pop pop yeah he's a tremendous fighter man he must be 37 38 now and he's still is he 38 37 38. wow it. Yeah, and he's still wiping the floor with most of the people he fights. I mean, and just constant movement and attack, his pressure and the volume of strikes that he throws. I mean, he's a fucking unbelievable fighter, man.

Yeah, definitely the best without doubt over the last 20 years. I mean, he even did one fight in the stadiums in Thailand, two-on-one, and in this one, again, two-on-one, and this was only about five, six years ago. Pep Bunchu, Sagat Dao, so Sanchao ranked number one, Pep Bunchu number two, Sagat Dao probably number three, and these weren't, like, lesser fighters than him. He fought them two-on-one.

How the fuck did he do that? So Sagat Dao got in, no, Pep Bunchu got in for the first two rounds, fought, and he went at him and just tried to in no boonchu got him for the first two rounds four and he went at him and just tried to wear him down and clinch him for the last three rounds sagat now jumped in fresh sanjay one wow south paul pet punch he's a clincher yeah but they're both clinches they're both clinches they're both just trying to wear him down that is insane oh there we go so he fought one guy for two rounds and then the second guy came in fresh yeah unbelievable man that is unbelievable look at the size difference as well they're both miles bigger than him that is like well he's always fighting bigger guys right he got to do he give away in the stadiums with how the betting works out there no one is going to bet if sunshine comes in at 135

and pet buchu comes in at 135 no one's going to bet because they know sunshine's going to win right but if sanchai comes in at 1.30 and Pep Buccio comes in at 1.34, then it's evening it up a little bit. Then the gamblers will all get on it and it's going to... That's what's also interesting about Thailand is that the gambling is such a giant part of the sport. It influences it so big and it influences the scoring and the decisions and stuff like that.

But what about guys fixing fights? You hear about it a lot. You hear about fighters throwing fights, but then they'll get thrown out of the stadium and there won't be a lot of fight back in there. You You hear about it a lot. You hear about fighters throwing fights, but then they'll get thrown out of the stadium and there won't be a lot of fight back in there. You do hear about that a lot. You also hear about people dropping stuff in people's drinks to try and give them a little advantage.

Really? Yeah, Petrosian said to me he got poisoned. Petrosian? Petrosian said to me. Whether it's true or not, I don't know. So don't quote me on it. But he told me that when he fought Nonathan, Paul Promuk, they gave him a drink and he said he was dizzy.

Yeah, and because of that fight, I think they had about a million baht side bet. So it's about 20 grand side bet, their gym and his gym. So you do hear about stuff happening like that. Wow, that sucks. That's a wild-ass fucking place, Thailand, right? Yeah. It's great, though.

I'm sure. I love it. It's a great place. Yeah, I love it. I love going to the foods there, especially Koh Samui where I go. Yeah, I love Thai food. a great place yeah I love it I love going to the foods there you know especially Koh Samui where I go yeah I love Thai food

beautiful Koh Samui's beautiful but you know Bangkok's beautiful yeah I think I spent too much time in Bangkok I lived there for like

18 months to 2 years sort of so whenever yeah so whenever I go now I prefer to go to the island so I can train and then relax because when I was there

I was just living in the gym all the time and I don't think I could do that anymore now so I prefer to go to the island so I can train and then relax because when I was there I was just living in the gym all the time and I couldn't I don't think I could do that anymore now so I prefer to now I could go silk sheets baby

yeah I can train hard and then I can yeah the thing is I was locked in a room in the gym with nothing but a fan blowing hot air on me

no air con all tired of that like fast asleep snoring and I'm just there sweating my head off and having two hours sleep a night and I couldn't do that anymore now right now i'd like i go to the island

i can still train just as hard there's some great coaches there so but i can go to the beach i can relax and is that like phuket is that where you go uh poke out or samui yes yeah yeah is um that is phuket a safe place to go to yeah yeah you know you know thailand's safe yeah everywhere you go they used to like see drunken not that i ever drink over that and uh drunken stumbling down the road for rangs with like ladyboys waiting on more rangs or foreigners you hear horror stories or stories about uh thailand in the media and stuff like that there's horror stories everywhere you go yeah of course i've all the time i've spent there i've never seen no one toward what happened really no never that's amazing even obviously it does happen but happens

everywhere John Wayne Parr said the same thing he goes over there said everyone's lovely yeah yeah yeah yeah and he is great yeah he is I've been to where I've been to his gym and spent time with him he's another one that if you saw his silhouette you'd absolutely know it was him yeah he's so he's got such an odd style of movement yeah you know like there's a video of him go to john wayne parr's instagram well he's changed his style a lot now because obviously when he lived in thailand he had to fight the thai way but like since he's back in australia now and he can adapt to do that because he's such a good puncher as well he can fight both ways i'm sure if he ever fought in thailand which he he don't need to anymore he's done all that but

if he did i'm sure he knows like look at this like the way he moves it's a hundred percent john wayne parr you know what i'm saying yeah i mean it's very fascinating like you if you watched him you would know for sure if you didn't see his if you just saw the silhouette you're like oh yeah that's john wayne yeah definitely nice 40 as well and he's got some engine 41 40 months and he's fighting again in two weeks training like a savage still knocking people out as well and one of the nicest guys you ever want to meet yeah he just couldn't be nicer his wife's nice and yeah and he's have you seen his son jesse doing flips and yeah and his daughter's a killer yeah me and her fought on the same show in august last year and then she came over and she beat a british girl and yeah she did. And she's out there smashing it now as well. I trained with him in my garage and just watching him kick the bag.

I was like, holy fuck, that guy kicks hard. Yeah, and he comes down a lot of weight as well. Does he? The JWP, yeah. I think I've seen him before and he was like 84 kilos. And then like two, three weeks later, boom, 72.5, shredded. I'm a big fan of Australia. I'm a big fan of Australians.

They're just nice people, man. I love that place. Never been? It's fucking great. Everything can kill you though Don't leave everything that we're going to the s shark spider snake Sasquatch Everything that begins with s in Australia will kill you. Yeah, I don't like any of them things and crocodiles some seas It's a crazy fucking place, but you know, that's they're pretty close to Thailand, right? Yeah. Six-hour flight or something. Oh, is that it?

It's like they're Spain, isn't it? I mean, when English go abroad, you know, and they go get drunk or go on package holidays, they go to Spain. Thailand's their Spain, really. Is that what you guys do? You go to Spain? Yeah.

Why do you go to Spain? Yeah. Mallorca. I love Mallorca. Me and my wife go to Mallorca a lot. Mallorca? Mallorca. Mallorca.

I go to Ibiza with all my friends. Where? Ibiza. Oh, Ibiza, right? We say Ibiza. my wife got myoka myoka myoka i got obifa with all my friends where abifa oh abiza right but it's a z how's it a thuh abitha same like siobhan it's not siobhan yeah i don't know abiva abitha is a weird one i've heard people say that i'm like where the fuck are you talking about write that down oh that says Ibiza. What did you just say? It's Ibiza. I'm too old to go to Ibiza now. I'll just be like, oh, you're not young.

Well, that's a Spain thing, right? Like, there's a lot of thuhs, right? Yeah. Yeah. No, yeah, true. Probably is. Some good fighters from Spain as well. Fuck yeah.

Well, Europe has always had, always had ridiculous Muay Thai talent. Yeah, the French are, I think, outside Thailand, I think it's probably France, then England. Who's that guy that went to Jean-Marc, what is his name? Skabowski. Yes. Jean-Charles Skabowski. Yeah, he was a great fighter.

I remember when he came into that MMA house at St. Pierre, brought me in, he was still drunk, he just fucked them all up. He was up all night drinking at a bar, went to a club, was drinking, came in, smelled like shit, had a fucking glass with him of alcohol, and then put on the pads, put on the gloves, and beat the shit out of everybody.

Yeah, we're dropping them all and everything. Throwing them around, ragging on them. I think he got to rank number one at Rajadamnan Stadium when he was fighting, so he was top, top level. And he's promoting now putting on like real good shows yeah really good shows yeah the crazy thing about him

is he doesn't look like anything no he never looked in great shape or anything but he looked like that when he fought flat

no muscles but he fucks people up he could bang Danny Bill didn't look like that did he but he could catch the legs and sweep the thighs and stand with them

put you to sleep when he yeah with that right hand yeah John Wayne Parr beat him though didn't he yeah knocked him out what was great about skavosky though he used to fight from 140 up to 165 he'd he won no no weight class for him he just said there's a fighter 165 do you want to do it yeah and then he'd go fight and so you've got to fight two weeks 140 he went right cut the weight down 140 so yeah that's why he was so so good Now, you see a lot of traditional karate style in MMA now,

where a lot of these guys are learning how to fight a different way and throws people off with front leg sidekicks, wider stances, they're hopping in. Is it Wonderboy who fights like that? Yeah. But you don't see that in Muay Thai. What about Tenshin? Tenshin, the kid from Japan, the new kid.

Yes. He's a brilliant southpoor I love. How do you say his last name? Natsukawa? Natsukawa, yeah. He's a fucking amazing. He's amazing. There's two, actually. There's him and Takeru. And they won't let him fight. They're the same weight. Takeru's just won the K-1. I think he's 60 kilos or something.

Yeah, we showed a video of Takeru sparring the other day, knocking someone out. Oh, yeah, you sent me that. Horrible, right? Yeah, it's horrible. But you know, tension came originally from karate. He was doing karate as a kid. And the thing is, he's been knocking out ties as well because he's unpredictable and you don't know what's coming. So fast as well.

If he can get that balance in Muay Thai scoring, it's going to be a bit difficult. But for K1, it's going to be... Beautiful. But you see so many different kids. There's Moroccan kids coming from Infusion at the minute that are just you know i'm like wow he's amazing he's just there's intentions only 18 right maybe 19 now yeah we have a we have a fighter called uh uh haruli uh from from holland and he's sparking like kid you see in the 18 year old titan nabil haruli and just knocking blokes sparking them he's sparking like Kedusi in the 18-year-old Tyson. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Old Tyson, yeah. Nabil Harouli.

And just knocking blokes, sparking them. He's just like, there's some dangerous boys about. I'm so glad I'm old. I am so glad. Don't hurt the old fella. It is amazing how combat sports, just like kind of any other sport, the new talent just learns from the old ways and they get better and better. I mean, there's better talent today just evolving evolving and evolving all the time in mma in particular because it's such a recent sport i mean mma's really only been around

like popular since the 1993 somewhere around there so if you look at like 1993 mma versus 2018 so it's like it's fucking the light years difference but muay thai it's more incremental. So it's like fucking the light years difference. But Muay Thai, it's more incremental, right? It's better, but not as much better. No. The Westerners are. They're coming on so much quicker, aren't they now? Yeah.

And I just think it's the opportunities that are getting thrown at them now with the likes of Yoko, the likes of all the promotions that are bringing them through. And we've just got some really good, like Daniel McGowan, his last performance, he thought he's going to go and live in Pechindy now. He's sponsored by them. He was absolutely superb.

But we've got some, I'm very proud of our country when it comes to Muay Thai. I'm very, very proud of it because I've been in the days where, even before Liam, I've been at 34 years i've been involved in it and just seeing ties come over and beat the out of people right like we're like hooray and they're oh and they're getting proper levered the likes of this man here and the likes of other people are giving us a better chance you know so it's the fights are

more competitive and ties are starting to train they train for liam like they they trained for him like i know that malai pet trained solidly for liam when he fought him on uh yeah he never did never trained times one week for a fight done here but he was telling me before i've trained two months for this i've trained two months so where'd you fight him on what lion fight it was lion fight yeah yeah i beat him on beating my points on yeah oh i saw that fight yeah that was fun yeah That was a good fight. I kept sweeping him. Yeah, that was a good fight. One judge gave it fucking 50-46 to him.

Really? Yeah. Was it Adelaide Bird? I think so. Adelaide! Yeah. So, Lion Fight hasn't had a fight in a long time. I haven't heard anything.

They used to be with AXS TV, but I don't think they are anymore. They're working with MTGP. It's run by Kieran Kedaloo with the the one that mtk yeah they're bringing into England yeah they have an American outlet I actually don't know fuck they need something in America so what big one there's one point yeah they were you know like access TV is Mark Cuban's Network and it's they've got a lot of great fights on it it's they they've always had like a real good strong Muay Thai and combat sports to get all the yaka yeah and well they have Pat Milch's is doing commentary for MMA this weekend with that but it's just they're missing you know the wide

distribution of like a Fox or FS one or things that have gotten the UFC so popular yeah they've got them they've got two standout fighters as well really i think they need more standout fighters to get their fighters like on big shows abroad they've got kevin ross um obviously the shielding as well but he's more mma and k1 and onjan topic and they're like the two that anyone says about you know muay thai in america right ross topic they're the two that come straight up well shilling is uh they're all fighting bellator yeah yeah yeah yeah champions of bellator yeah which is great i mean it's great i'm a big fan of bellator kickboxing but again it's kickboxing it's not more time i prefer to watch

kevin fight muay thai because he's good with his sweeps he likes to go to war so it's exciting to watch him do that yeah okay one like you say it limits what a muay thai fighter is yes can do yes we've got an english girl called Iman Barlow who's M-Fusion champion as well and she's a line fight Muay Thai champion she's had she's won 10 world titles she's had 140 fights and she's been fighting since she was four what actually yeah yeah yeah she's from the assassin's gym in uh Leicester trained by that Mark Barlow the clip of her i think quality yeah have you seen it where she kicks she kicks 10 times girl nine times in a row and everyone lands right left right left right what is her name iman iman pretty killer barlow spell that um iman is a i m a n like iman barlow

yeah iman barlow b- talks like that comes from Leicester is that how they talk in Leicester yeah she'll batter me if she sees when she sees me but yeah

she's a great fighter and you know where's your accent you guys is this Liverpool I live in Liverpool but I'm originally from Manchester

so what is the difference in your accent in a Liverpool accent I talk very posh compared to Liverpool did you Scousers talk like that they talk like wechen they talk like my wife your accent in a liverpool accent i talk very push compared to liver did you take scouts is this the one yeah it's not the fight oh damn that's serious i think it's i think it's marina's

waiver there bow head kick to the body and then to the head damn yeah yeah that's the thing about legs man i mean every woman that weighs 130 pounds is carrying 130 pounds around all day with her legs yeah try walking around your hands all day yeah yeah women can knock you the out she's only smaller man when she was she 115 yeah yeah she's only small she's sound though ain't she yeah she's a really nice nice. It's unheard of though for a girl to have 100 and plus fights. It's ridiculous really

when you think about it but she's still smashing it and she's won about 95, 96%. Yeah, she has, yeah.

How old are you now, Liam? 32. So you're still in your prime right now? I think so, yeah. I mean,

my last 10 fights I've probably won eight um the two losses have been on points one to fabio pinker top level operator um and another one and through another french boy we're both on points but all my fights in between that i've even knocked them out or stopped them and i feel when i'm training and when i'm fighting i feel like i'm in prime i feel like i'm stronger prime. I feel like I'm stronger than ever. I feel like I'm faster than ever and sharper than ever. I've still got the hunger. I'm still really wanting to fight all the time. It's all I'm concentrating on,

as well as I'm training others as well. But my sole intention is still... I've still got goals. That's the thing. I know I've had a lot of fights and stuff, but I've still got goals that I want to achieve and I want to do. Like what are they?

Well, I won the WBC title in 2015 and um you can see i've got a metal plate in me i'm there i brought my hand and they didn't even give me a chance to they just stripped me of the belt straight away i didn't give me a chance to say right we're a few months defend we can defend it then they just stripped me of it and now other people have won it and stuff so i want to win that belt back and i've lit i don't even know if i'm allowed to say this surgery in your hand they just stripped you? Yeah, they just took it off me. Why did they do that? I don't know.

I think they wanted the French boy who I went to defend against to fight for it because it was in France. So they let him fight for it and then he won it and stuff. But now I think the title

is vacant or something. I think the champion's moved away. It's become vacant again. I probably shouldn't be saying this but I am fighting for it later on in the year

against a real, real strong fighter as well I don't think it's been released so I'm not allowed to say it I don't think but it's going to be probably one of the biggest fights Britain's seen in a long time so obviously I've got that looking forward to it. In July massive massive fight I'm defending my UK

number one spot I've been looking forward to this for ages I've been number one in UK for about 13 years and now there's a lot of talk about a guy, Charlie Peters, number two in the rankings, climbed his way up, had some big wins,

earned his shot. He's got the whole country divided. It's not for yourself. I'm from Leeds, which is up north. He's from London, which is down south, so he's got the country divided.

He's earned his shot, so I'm really looking forward to that. That's a bit of a grudge match. Yeah, you could say that. A bit of shit talking going on there. Yeah, a little bit. A bit on there. Yeah, a little bit. A bit. A little bit, a little bit.

I'm fucking useless at shit talk, though. I throw an insult out there, it just doesn't even make no sense, and I just go, what the fuck have I just done there? Do you know what I mean? And I just look a complete idiot. It's funny, man.

Are you either good at that shit or you're not? Yeah, yeah. Conor's got a gift, you know? Conor McGregor. Till's good at it as well. Louis Leo I mentioned earlier, he's good at he's I'm not fucking useless so let's keep my mouth shut so where's the best way that most people can watch you fight like a lot of these fights you're gonna have to watch them after the fact in America right yeah most of them do come straight on YouTube or something your

cow puts them on they put them on their YouTube channel? Yes. And is it just your cow? Y-O-K-K-A-O? Yeah. Yeah, I mean, mainly that's the one that Liam fights on a lot. I commentate on them a lot, which we're very privileged to do. But yeah, there's other outlets.

If you type in Liam in YouTube or whatever, they can watch him. I love the way you commentate because you always say something and you say isn't he like he's winning isn't he beautiful that was a great performance that wasn't it yeah like that's an english thing man you're like you like you say something but then you also want everybody to agree with you i think i think it's kind of a i'm i'm quarter welsh and the welsh do that so maybe that's a dna thing i mean yeah i do it all the time though i say oh you were good in wanting. Well, me and you were like that all the time. I was good that one day.

You just did it, me and you were like that all the time, aren't we? Well, I noticed that when I was in England, just having conversations with people, that that's like a speech pattern that people do over there. I learn something new every day. I first heard you when you were doing It's Showtime, when you were doing commentary.

I remember hearing that. Like, this guy always does that. He always says that after. Some of the things, I mean, there was one fight where Mohamed Kamel and Mossab and Rani, and I go, fucking bananas. And looking back at it now, I'm thinking, but they loved it.

The Dutch said, yes, we like you screaming like bitch. Yeah. So you do it. You have squeaky voice it makes the fight exciting great dutch accent thank you bill so um i spend that much time in holland anyway but uh yeah thanks for that they're the real pioneers right when it comes to like expanding into muay thai and kickboxing well how did that happen like the dutch it was a kilkish in base originally right yeah I mean you got I think people like Johan Voss Tom Haring and Jan Plas Voss trained Ivan Hippolyte Ernesto host Shakariki dad badder from the beginning Peter

Aerts etc and and they the pioneers and then but now they got so many good gyms coming through and so many kids that it's like they fight like you've stole something from them you know they just blitzkrieg each other and they're like the thai version of the thais in thailand the moroccans and the dutch they're like in k1 they're that version so hard to beat at that sport i i know liam liam loves muay thai and you know i try and talk to liam about kickboxing he just gets annoyed but um it's true though anyway i don't get annoyed it's just like it's just point out you don't watch kickboxing i will if vinnie says watch his fight it's amazing i'll watch it i won't go out my way to watch it i don't know i just like to start isn't that interesting

he likes what he likes and that's it you know well that's how that's a big thing with a lot of americans you know when it comes to like i've tried to show American fight fans Muay Thai. Even, like, good buddies of mine, like, eh. Like, how the fuck can you not like this? Yeah, but people like it. I used to, like, watch boxing, but now I've been watching, like, movement specialists. You know, I've been doing all that movement and stuff. I've started doing it.

Movement specialists, like what? Like Ido Portal, like that kind of shit? I trained train with a guy called dan mitt and now and he's a student of edo patel and i like watching that if i myself just sat there watching men in men swinging around and rings to be fair you know what that's called it's called manopause like is it your balls start stop working definitely definitely true i worked with dan uh not long back and some of the stuff he does is amazing especially for muay thai like obviously your hip flex and stuff like i'm working all the time some of like the different stuff that you're doing obviously i get really tight around my hips and stuff when i'm kicking out all the time and some of the stuff that he showed me and we worked with it were unbelievable i felt so much looser yeah we loved that guy yeah have you ever done

any yoga no i did a hot yoga once and i nearly died so yeah i don't think i'll do that one again but i should do to be fair but i think now that i found dan and all the different stuff that he showed me i think now that can replace any any sort of yoga i should be doing because this stuff is amazing well you i think it would be a good compliment to your style because your style is so fucking hard Yeah You're so like tense and powerful that I would think that like maybe that would like open you up a little bit Yeah, well that stuff that Dan does, it does it like it's opening using different joints and stuff

And putting me in positions that I'm not used to And to be fair, it is hard, but after you've done it and after you've done the workout and stuff that he's shown you You feel loose and you have to you've done the workout and stuff that he's shown you you feel loose Yeah, you feel amazing this is brilliant is really good. I go every Wednesday morning, and I don't want to go I'll fucking tell you the truth. I'm driving down that's an hour away from me I'm thinking fuck this and then I get there and it's just It's just a very very special. How illegal is weed in England? I'm not into it me listen, bro. Take two solid hits and then go to yoga class.

If I took two solid hits, I'd be hiding right in the back of my sofa, I'm telling you. It's not for me. Especially American weed. Get a hold of some of this California shit.

You'd be in orbit. Serious paranoia. Two hits and then go to a yoga class. It's like you're on a journey. You get out of there an hour and a half late. It's perfect

because an hour and a half into the sweating, the pot's worn off and like you come back down but in the middle of it you feel like the world's gonna end any second now in the middle of the class like there's no way this could be sustainable there's no way i'm not gonna survive the whole world you just think about everything that's going on kevin tracy get on with joe we're like a house on fire that's me mom and dad not me i can't do it don't agree with me i love it for yoga it's one of my favorite things ever take two hits and go to yoga class but the thing is when you're stoned you can't not be on stone quick you're just like oh you gotta wait for it to

wear off no there's no wearing off quick yeah caffeine helps a little bit coffee remember jordan gave me a drop of cannabis oil before and i like melted into his sofa for about six hours and i couldn't move and i'm thinking i'm dead i'm dead I'm done here last time I was here I had some and I had some cannabis oil and I was sat there watching tv and then I was like fucking hell that was mine and then I got the remote control from the tv and this guy was going and I turned him over and I went ha to me fucking self and then I knew for that's not for you this well it's just one of those things like anything else you got to ease into it understand I'd like it for just relaxation reflection you know yeah I

think it's also great for like pain management and like you know after you're done training everything soar your shoulders your elbows yeah well my moment they both love it but I've just never been able to remember i tried two drags before and i nearly had a paranoia attack i would yeah i had to go hide you gotta dig a little bit but those are the type of guys i'm all or nothing you know what i mean so yeah i'm sure yeah with every aspect so yeah if you approach pop when you approach muay thai that could be a real big mistake yeah i tried holding pots for him i was holding pots from the other day and i said right just just bang just uh bang just bang okay just bang it so you're trying to like get him to settle down and he yeah i mean i'm i'm no nowhere near the level of his

coach i just hold pads in the in the way that i can i'm more of a boxing holding pads for boxing because he's no way he's hit i've all passed for jordan watson and i'm not holding can i'm more of a boxing holding pads for boxing because he's no way he's hit i've all passed for jordan watson and i'm not holding pads i'm not experiencing that again i'm an old man and i'm not holding pads jordan twice as hard as me as well his kicks are absolutely ridiculous he'd probably break straight through that machine out there yeah to get him in here absolutely nightmare holding pads for him i'm sure yeah i've seen him fight i saw him fight giorgio too got caught with that crazy right look yeah it was a fatal mistake that yeah you know he's georgio petrosian's got such good eyesight that he's just um i knew about him i knew about him years before

yeah this kid this kid this kid my boxer fought him and we went in and we heard about this kid georgio petrosian was like right whatever yes he's unbeaten blah blah blah fuck off they're just trying to scare you don't worry

my boxer went out he was a great fighter himself Rick Barner lovely kid got his own gym and fought blah blah blah slipped

got caught dropped body shot then he got up again body shot leg kick bang and he come back

and he said I could have done this I could have done that I said you fucking couldn't I'll tell you what the most impressive thing about him was well he used to watch

the videos that Vinny used to send me and I think oh he looks alright I commentated with Vinny once live on him and I just saw the subtle stuff

that he does up close you know the little slips the little step off from Southpaw and I just said to Vinny I took the mic away I went

this is fucking unreal just the subtle stuff which is what makes him a level above anyone else he's the greatest K-1 fighter of all time yeah and I mean he puts

what he does is negates it negates your rhythm so you when the Dutch fight the Dutch fight mainly in combination they fire fast hands

fast kicks they fire him straight but he negates that first shot and then he'll step off so you can't reach him he puts that right palm out he fights southpaw

puts that right palm out and he southpaw puts that right palm out and he throws a lot of deep kicks off that right front leg and he's strong as well I think he's deceptively strong he's Armenian he's not actually Italian

his real name is Gevorg they call him Giorgio Petrosian but his real name is Gevorg they changed it because it's more palatable for the Italians but he's yeah he's a very

very special individual so technical yeah and a really interesting guy to watch him train too yeah I love I love watching him on pads But he's a very, very special individual. So technical. Yeah. And a really interesting guy to watch him train, too. Yeah, I love watching him on par. Because nothing's done over hard or anything. It's all just done perfect.

Yeah. Every shot is perfect. Yeah. And again, everybody's got their own style. That's one of the beautiful things about Muay Thai, is that the art is very straightforward. You have your eight weapons. But it's how you apply those. It's all based on creativity,

your own personal preferences. Yeah, that's the great thing about when you watch the top ties in Thailand, you'll have a technician, but then you'll have a big clincher, and they might be getting the floor white with them outside the clinch, but as soon as they grab hold

and they start banging them big knees in and stuff, it's going to make the fight a lot more interesting. It's then the technician's job to keep him off, to keep, to move, to score with the kicks. That's the great thing about Muay Thai. That's why I love it so much. Well, that's why I think it's the best striking style is because it incorporates so much grappling.

There's so much sweeps and clinch and knee work and controlling the back of the neck. It's so effective to take that out. When I watch a boxing match and they're like break i'm like why are you breaking yeah you know go back and watch old jack johnson yeah you ever watch old jack johnson fights i've never seen jack johnson see that was a heavyweight from england he used to he used to clinch well since been working with liam and doing the seminars that we've been doing. I've been doing it a long time.

And I'm watching him and I'm going, I didn't know that. I didn't know that. And it's been brilliant for me to fall in love with Muay Thai again. Because you'll see what he does in it. I didn't know that. Well, there's so much to boxing, right? I mean, when you see a guy like a Floyd Mayweather or a real technician like Lomachenko, just there's so much to learn now add leg kicks knees

head kicks elbows clinch all this other stuff i mean muay thai is almost never ending i say all the time i've been training only 20 years and i learn every day every day i will learn just something new whether it's some from someone in the gym who have've been sparring, whether it's from my coach Richard, whether it's from a YouTube video, watching a fight in Thailand or something. I'm still learning every single day. And I remember my trainer from Thailand, Jitty, when I was living there,

he was saying I'm 50 years old, I've been doing this 40 years. He said, I learn every day as well. That's amazing. It's never ending. That's why I'm in love with it so much. Jiu-jitsu is very similar as well. I could imagine MMA being exactly the same, but the rest of the jiu-jitsu yeah it's just

one of those things that on the outside you don't see it but the closer you get to it the more you realize like wow this thing is like never ending yeah and he's and you know what i'll be honest i've not met anyone that i'd really dislike in it they're all pretty decent aren't they nice people they not out of each other than the like talk about a character developer yeah i mean disliking it they're all pretty decent aren't they nice people yeah and they did not fuck out of each other than they're like cheers talk about a character developer yeah i mean what develops your character more than combat sports yeah i mean you find out who the fuck you are yeah exactly and that's why we'll come back to what i was saying earlier you find out who you are some people think fuck this that in me other people say fuck yeah let's do that again that would you

know i mean yeah and that's that all the the best fighters are all the most best people you're going to meet as well i think like look how much of a gentleman patrosian is yeah he isn't yeah i mean absolutely do you know what's funny about the fight with jordan and patrocini they're very similar characters they're very very nice people i mean jordan is an absolute you wouldn't think jordan was a fighter you know when i met him him, super sweetheart. Lovely guy, and all right, but you know, and then at the end of the fight with Giorgio Petrosian,

Petrosian runs over and puts his head on him. Yeah. Because he hugs him. Yeah. Because I think like attracts like, and I think he understood that. It was a fight,

once it's over, the bells ring. You know, I said to him, because I messaged Giorgio Petrosian, I said, you know, punched another one of my friends,

whatever, congratulations, but don't hit another one of my friends they love me to deal with as if he's fucking scared like it matters and um he said oh no he kicked hard he kicked really hard he kicked very very hard so he was still respectful you know yeah he's a good guy well listen let's wrap this up liam thank you so much for being here thank you for having me thank you very much it's my honor and thank you for training with me too that was beautiful that was

awesome for me man and people could find you on Twitter at Liam underscore bad co yeah get me on my Instagram that gets updated on my Twitter did I say

Twitter I meant Instagram yeah my Instagram all my training clips everything I put up post on there all my fights all my seminars all my upcoming stuff that I

be doing with Vinny will all be thrown onto there yeah and Vinny Shorman you're on Instagram as well with a Y Vinny V-I-n-n-y shorman yeah and vinnie shorman.com get hold of me we'll see what happens thank you brother thanks joe awesome cheers