The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #21 with Brendan Schaub

Episode Date: April 4, 2018

Joe sits down with Brendan Schaub to discuss upcoming fights.

four three two one and we're live this is a bummer of a fight week but also an awesome fight week like i'm very excited did you see the the latest countdown what is it uh all access what do they call it no embedded embedded yeah i'm always trying to come up with the name there's really they're all the same but yeah all access embedded access embedded 24 seven. That is very good. I should, I should remember the name. It's very good. They're all,

yeah, they're all good. This, this new one is really good. Cause it's got Max Holloway running on a treadmill, two treadmills over from Nurmagomedov, who's also running on a treadmill and they're fucking very cool to each other. It's very interesting.

Khabib thanked him for taking the fight, which he should, which he should. Thanks for taking the fight. And then they have the same weight coach. That's crazy. Lockhart, right? Yeah, it's Lockhart.

Is Lockhart working with Nurmagomedov as well? Yes, both of them. So Lockhart is legit. He goes over calculations of how much you weigh, how much water you're going to take, and he's weighing things out. It took him an hour and a half to do the calculations yeah it wasn't like hey we're gonna wing this it's like no no no no no no we're gonna do this weight cut correctly and he's got it down

to the day you know like it's six days to lose i think he was 171 is that is that i was wondering what what did he start at is it 171 yeah so I think he's got to lose 16 pounds. What's crazy is when Max was on my show, I was talking to him a little bit off air, and this is on record, I'm not spilling anything that he didn't say, but he just goes, you know, with the injury. There we go right there. Jesus Christ. Embedded, I think, is better than that UFC, not UFC, the HBO ones.

I think it's better than all of them. The 24-7? Yeah. How dare you? I think it's better than all of them. The 24-7? Yeah. How dare you? I think it's better than all of them. The 24-7 when there's a big fight? Yeah, you know why? I think in general they're better.

This is raw. Well, I think in general they're better because they do more of it. Yep. But a 24-7, they're good. They're fucking good. They're very good. With Liev Schreiber. Oh, I love that guy.

Bro, watch your words, son. I love that guy. But I like these better. Remember when they had the alley cat Liev Schreiber? Yeah. He's like, tonight, here we go. But it was nowhere near the same. It was no guy, but I like these better. Remember when they had the alley cat, Lee Shriver? Yeah. He's like, tonight, here we go. But it was nowhere near the same. Yeah, it was horrible. I'd like this

because there's almost no narration, right? Yeah. It's almost just all the story. It tells us the footage. I want to see the footage. I would have liked the video of when they called Max with the fight, because from what I heard, he goes, Khabib, that's the toughest guy in the world. Fuck yeah, let's go. Which is insane. Why don't they have a video of that? No one knew. I don't think they knew, you know, to he goes. Khabib, that's the toughest guy in the world. Fuck yeah, let's go. Which is insane!

Why don't they have a video of that? No one knew. I don't think they knew, you know, to turn the video on. I don't think Max knew why they were calling him. That would be an amazing video. Of him being like... Especially if he wins. This is my thing with Max is, I think Khabib is the toughest fight in the world on six days notice. I'd rather fight anybody else

in the world than Khabib on six days because his style and just his tenacity but with for max win lose or draw whatever happens saturday night if you don't respect and like him even more after this you're a moron you're a fucking few champions on a run like max holloway's on that would be willing to take this fight on six days notice and also I should say coming off of a broken foot correct so he had to pull out of a fight with a broken foot with Frankie Edgar which just happened so I mean how healed is he and like I said on my show he was saying you know I've been doing some jiu-jitsu been the swing of things for me it's good because I haven't been balls deep into training I've just been a little jiu-jitsu you know getting a light workout but it gives me time with my family because which and he goes you know

this in camp you're present but you're not which is true and he goes you know so i'm going through it i'm with my son in the family but i'm thinking about something else because so this has been good for me to really focus on my family that was what two weeks ago three weeks ago wow so then bam you're fighting khabib and the reason why he wants to fight khabib is because he thinks khabib's the best pound for pound fighter in the world yeah and which is nuts because you know when you look at khabib's resume it's good it's it's it doesn't blow your hair back he's 25 and 0 for god's sakes it's good but it's not like all this crazy you know big names on his record but But you talked, I was just in San Jose. John Fitch goes, dude, and this is John Fitch.

Yeah. You know, could be, you know, welterweight GOAT. He's fucking, not GOAT, but he's goddamn good. He goes, I've never seen anyone in my lifetime like Khabib. He goes, I fought GSP in his prime. He would beat him. That's how good he is. DC said he's the pound for pound greatest fighter he's ever seen.

DC said that he hand fights with him. Like, DC's the heavyweight Strikeforce champion. He said, he goes, dude, we go to war. War. We go to war. War. Like, imagine that. DC's a gorilla. He's jacked. I mean, DC's got some body fat on him. He's strong

as a fucking ox. Is he so goddamn talented? He's so good. It's not even funny. Watch when DC throws Josh Barnett through the air. When they fought in Strike Force, you just go, Jesus. Remember when he did the Hendo? He's a beast. Dude, the Hendo fight was offensive.

He's a goddamn American. It was offensive. He ragdolled Hendo. And couldn't be a cooler guy. The nicest guy ever. DC might be the nicest fighter of all time. One of my favorite people, him or Max. They're up there.

I love them both. They're the nicest fighters. I don't know Max as well as I know DC because I've done so many shows with him. But for DC, as good as he is, to say that him and Khabib go to war, I'm like, that's crazy. Dude, Josh Thompson, who's the captain of AK, said, you know, Ed Ruth, Penn State, three-time national champion, freak. Just started doing MMA in Bellator, complete freak wrestling. I was in San Jose, and I did a show with him, and I go, what were you doing? He goes, I just came from practice, Khabib's second-to-last practice.

I go, what was he doing? He goes, just straight wrestling. I said, oh, who was he wrestling? He goes, Ed Ruth. I go, oh, my God, the Penn State, like, legend? He goes, yeah, man. I go, how's that go down? He's like, only one of them's going down, and it ain't Khabib.

I'm like, what? Ed Ruth? And he goes, oh. He goes, bro, I've never seen anything like it. What? So there's just this legend of Khabib. When they tell me that, it scares me. I'm like, what?

What are we going to do? You see it in action when you saw the Barboza fight. He's walking towards him like a zombie, gets a hold of him, and just ragdolls him. Just ragdolls him. But this is what's great about this fight, and this is what makes our sport so special. Yeah, I'm super bummed I've been in deep depression because Ferguson fell out, and we've talked about this off air. But our sport's so special because what Max Holloway has the chance to do Saturday night,

if he can beat him, if he can somehow pull that out, there's nothing like it in professional sports. There's nothing like it. If LeBron goes out, the team still goes on. It's whatever. If Tom Brady gets hurt, it sucks, but they still play. Here, you know, man, Max has a huge chance. Now, are the odds stacked against him? Good God, are they ever.

There couldn't be a worse matchup for him. But what's the one Achilles heel If there is one For Khabib A guy who can Strike going backwards Max Holloway's Pretty fucking good

At going backwards Yeah It's a Fascinating fight If there was no Controversy If it wasn't like Six day

Time period for him But that's what's so great That's what's kind of cool The only other fight That's been like that Was Nate When Nate took on Conor in the first fight Here's so great. That's what's kind of cool. The only other fight that's been like that was Nate, when Nate took on Connor in the first fight. Here's the difference, though. Nate's

the bigger guy, right? Nate's the bigger guy, the more seasoned guy there. So for Nate, it's like, yeah, it was short notice, but that's a rough matchup for Connor. You know, Connor should be an underdog in that fight. They don't even fight at the same weight class. So that makes a little more sense. Yeah, but they do. But wait a minute, they do. Nate fights

at 55. Before that, though, he's fighting at 70, right? No, no, no, no. He. But wait a minute. They do. Nate fights at 55. Before that, though, he's fighting at 70, right? No, no, no, no. He only fought three times at 70. But he fought at 70 is the point. He fought at 70. Conor's never fought at 70. Right. But when Conor fought him at 70, that was 70.

Yeah, Conor's never fought. He's not a 70-pounder. Right. But, I mean, Nate, when he fought 70, it didn't go well. I mean, who did he fight? He fought Rory McDonald at 70. Tough matchup. Who else did he fight? Who else did he fight at 70. Tough matchup. Who else did he fight?

Who else did he fight at 70? He lost his fights at 70, I think. Wasn't great at, no, he didn't lose all of them. He won one? Yeah, wasn't great at 70. But the thing is, he's the bigger man. He's a much bigger guy. But if they agreed to fight at 155,

he would make the 155 weight limit. 100%. There was all this talk about him being so much bigger than Conor. Oh, he's bigger for sure, Joe. He's taller. He's taller. He's a bigger man. He's a bigger guy.

He walks around heavier. When he gets heavier. But when they fight at 55, he makes that weight, and Conor makes that weight tough, too. They both struggle to make 155. It's a much easier cut for Conor at 55. It's not the hardest cut. But when you look at the difference between how he looks physically when he fought Nate at 170 and how he looks when he's, you know, 145, he was awful.

I was going to say, Conor can make 145. Nate could never. I mean, there's no chance. He probably could have made it when he was on the Ultimate Fighter. Cut a leg off. You know, like, real list, he's not making 145. Well, he was very thin during the Ultimate Fighter days. Remember?

We have to because you're on the Ultimate Fighter, right? So you have to make weight basically three times in a row. Well, I just think he filled in, too. I mean, he was really young back then, too. A hundred percent. But you have to maintain a lower weight. Yeah. That's the closest fight to it, though.

I agree. That fight's the closest. No, I agree with you. And the same kind of balls that Nate has is like what. But Max, the difference is that Max has taken on a guy that everybody's avoiding. No one's been able to solve the riddle of Khabib. No one's even put him in jeopardy.

Michael Johnson hit him, but that really wasn't... Who knows what was going on? We were talking about that the other day. Who knows what was going on in that fight because that was a fight where he had the same issue cutting weight that he did when he had to pull out of the Ferguson fight where his body shut down. So who knows? He had that same issue with the Michael Jackson.

He might have been severely compromised in that fight even though he beat the fuck out of him. I agree. The difference between McGregor and Diaz is they both keep it on the feet really, right? Diaz is a phenomenal boxer. Conor's a phenomenal striker. Max Holloway, phenomenal striker. Khabib, phenomenal grappler. So it's even more of a task because Khabib's not going to sit there and strike.

That's your one way to win? Cool. I'm the best grappler on earth. He'll entertain it for a little bit, but if he wants you down, there's literally no one in the world from, I'll say, 155 to 170 who he's not going to take down. I want to see, I really want to see him in some straight grappling competition. Do you? Hearing this?

Yeah. Hearing that about how amazing he is in the training room. I'll tell you. And hearing it from a guy like DC. I know. And Fitch and Thompson. I mean, you're talking about all pioneers of the sport. Yeah, animals.

I want to see him against Woodley at 70. I think 70 is his natural weight class. Yeah. I think he'd probably be a lot healthier. Imagine that. Imagine Woodley and natural weight class. Yeah. I think he'd probably be a lot healthier. Imagine that. Imagine him being stronger and healthier. Woodley and Khabib? Jesus.

What? But Woodley's a different thing, man. You miss. You fuck up and you leave yourself in a position to get hit with one of those nuclear bombs. Oh, he'll knock you out. Woodley could put people to sleep. And he can grapple his ass off. Grapple his ass off.

Hard to take down. And puts people to sleep with one shot. I don't think Woodley gets his due. And I think the best evidence is the two fights that people point to where they say that Woodley should have done better. Those are the Thompson fights. And the Maya fight. The Maya fight, but Maya never got hurt. He hit Maya a bunch of times, but it was uneventful because he was hurt.

Woodley was hurt early in the first round with his shoulder. He fucked his shoulder up. But obviously he fought Maya the way he should fight Maya if you don't want to go to the ground. 100%. But my point is, in those two fights with Thompson, Woodley was the one who hurt Thompson. He hurt him bad, bad in both fights,

almost stopped him in both fights. Yeah, I don't want to see them ever fight again, but I hear you. Great fight. Yeah, a hard pass. If it was a crazy ufc 200 card that was on it i wouldn't be mad it was one of the main event i get it i get it i like it people saw it twice wow cool yeah no that's a super complicated equation to solve i'm set i'm set

though they're just not good dance partners the same thing if they just said no this time's gonna be different i'm going to. I'm going to war. I'm going to war. Fuck you. Yeah. And then two rounds in, you're like, no. Like, you bastards. They're just circling each other.

That's like Dana on Ferguson and Khabib. He's like, that fight's never happened. A fifth time, not happening. I'm like, I get it. I get it, man. It's such a bummer, though. Let's talk business. Like, I don't know how many pay-per-views this was

gonna do but for the hardcore fans this was a big one this was a big one because this is the first time khabib is fighting a guy that's super versatile that can fight standing up can knock you out with one shot tough as fuck has incredible endurance and can grab off his back and the most dangerous guy khabib will ever face yeah tony fer Tony Ferguson has the perfect style to test so we could really find out where Khabib's at because we know where Tony's at. And we kind of know where Khabib's at. Do we? We kind of do.

The Barbosa fight, in my opinion, was the best example of it. Dos Anjos. Dos Anjos was great. That's old school Dos Anjos. Dos Anjos also compromised to make 155. Dos Anjos, it won 70. Different animal. That's a different fucking Correct. Dos Angeles, they won 70. Different animal. That's a different fucking animal.

That's a totally different beast. And I think Dos Angeles is one of those guys where you point to a perfect example of a guy whose body just was not allowing him to compete at 155. Agreed. Because he's a fucking animal in his mind. I mean, no one works harder than that guy. You see that guy train? Yes, I have.

You've seen him in person, right? Yes. Monster. Monster. However, and how about he's fighting Colby Covington in Brazil? In Brazil. Enjoy that, Colby. Good luck, Colby.

Good God. Security. Please, security. Super hard to take down. Real hard to take down. And brutal leg kicks. And I don't know what fucking- He's a black belt on the ground, too.

Yeah, what 90-minute butt video he's been doing every day but his legs are gigantic grumpy rump that Brazilian shitter on him is just he I don't know what squats front squats dude I don't know what kind of crazy shit he's doing I know he did some training in the past a lot with Nick Curzon out of Speed of Sport Nick helped him quite a bit Nick's you know the Marv Marinovich uh disciple yeah and he does all that crazy shit that marv had bj doing he was doing he's got a lot there's a ton of videos online dos anjos is he working with parello jason perlo yeah i don't know is it still san jose and perla i gotta think yes i remember seeing him at the ruka gym is

perlo the greatest coach of all like he's, you're having problems with your career? Come here. Very good. Very good. Cyborg. I mean, just these monsters. And you know what? Good dude. Great guy. And doesn't want the spotlight.

Zero. He doesn't want to be out on camera. Yeah. Doesn't want anything to do with it. And when I was telling him, I think he's doing a great job, dude shakes your hand, looks you in the eye. Like, he's right there. He's right there.

Thank you. He's like right there. And he won't work with just anyone either, which is what I like. I like what he did with Bisping. He helped Bisping a lot. Yeah, Bisping became world champion. I mean, he's a fucking great coach.

Back to Khabib. You know who I think, and I'm not just saying this because he's my boy, I've known him forever, but you know who I think could be his Achilles heel who matches up better with him

than anyone? Who? Everyone's overlooking, Brian Ortega. Ooh, that's a good point. Brian Ortega's a big dude at 55, easy weight cut for him. But on the ground, on the ground, he's the most dangerous guy in the world right now.

Yeah, I think so too. I think the way he locks up submissions is very different. It's like if everybody else is hitting it at a 7 or an 8, Ortega's hitting it at a 10. When you watch it, you go, oh, that's different. And you haven't seen it. So for Khabib, long he's grappled freaking grizzly bears since he was four he and he's seen sambo he's seen black belt jujitsu he's seen all this stuff you're not going to catch him yeah with or take it's a little different and he actually encourages you to go

to the ground yeah and he's dangerous on his feet but on the grounds where he thrives isn't it funny how that thing about going to the ground what is is it, Brian says, Ortega wrote, for the record, Dana called me yesterday to see if I'd step in against Khabib since Max hadn't responded yet. I said yes. Eventually, Max replied, and Dana gave him the fight. If all goes according to plan,

I'll get my turn at both of them. Ooh. It's a phenomenal fight for him. Brian Ortega. Just stylistically, I went, hmm. And if I'm Khabib, Khabib goes, why would I fight Ortega? He's a phenomenal fighter,

but he doesn't have a belt, he doesn't have a big name. And it's the most dangerous fight for him, I think. And it's also, I mean, Ortega became a much bigger star with the Frankie Edgar knockout. Much bigger star. But Max Holloway is one of the best fighters on the planet. That's a really interesting fight. Ortega's got, there's something about his jiu-jitsu, man.

It's like, it's on, it's just ramped up and sharpened down to like, such a, just a razor's edge, man. When he grabs a hold of stuff,

you're like, you have very little room to get out. Yeah, and he sets it up from the clinch and it's very unconventional and the head snaps,

especially like Tony Ferguson with the darts jokes where he's in Snap City. However, what I wanted to see in this Ferguson-Khabib fight with the Snap City is, like Josh Thompson and Fitch are like, oh no, we've never seen Khabib get his neck snapped down.

Ever. For him, it's a pride thing. Growing up where he grew up, no one snaps his neck down. No one's snapping him down. It doesn't work. That's so crazy. Well, that's Tony's thing. They go, watch, watch. No one's ever snapping his neck down It doesn't work. That's so crazy. Well, that's Tony's thing. They go, watch.

Watch. No one's ever snapping his neck down. Ever. Wow. Yeah. That's so crazy. Fitch is like, I've never seen him lose a round. I'm like, what the fuck? What are we doing? These goddamn legends. I know. These people like this. And I'm drinking the Kool-Aid. I'm drinking it too. I'm so into this Kool-Aid. Wear that hat Saturday night, sir.

Yeah. Damn. I'm fascinated. I'm fascinated by this fight. I'm so into this Kool-Aid. Wear that hat Saturday night, sir. Yeah. Damn. I'm fascinated. I'm fascinated by this fight. I'm always fascinated when Khabib fights because you're always wondering, like, what's the first guy that's going to be able to give him something different? See, I look at it different. I look at it like, all right, I hear all this crazy talk about Khabib. Let's see it. I want to see that pound-for-pound greatness out of him.

Let me get it. Don't you think you saw it in the Barbosa fight? No. I think Barbosa's one-dimensional. I think we did see, and I think people are taking for granted how good Khabib of a grappler is because you talk to Frankie, you talk to Eddie Alvarez. I go, how hard does he take down Barbosa? They go, oh, it's damn near impossible in training.

We don't get him down very easily, and they're badasses. So you go, what Khabib did, we didn't think he was gonna be able to do and if you look at that third round when barbosa's like he gets taken down and he's like kind of cage crawling you look at his face he looks like get me the fuck out of here like there's sheer panic and that's the difference between khabib and the rest of these fighters that's why it's the worst to fight him on short notice because it's not going to be fast. It's not going to be fun for you. It's a smashing. I feel like we've seen the pound-for-pound greatness in him, like the potential for it,

but we need to see him against pound-for-pound greats. Well, that's how you get there. And you have to show up, like Conor Aldo, right? That quick knockout. Or D.C. Gusvin knockout. Or D.C. Gusvin. John Jones, D.C. Like there's certain times in your career where you have these signature wins. He doesn't have a signature win.

Right. Well, I think that Barbosa is as close as you can get. But Barbosa's lost to a few guys. He lost to Tony. He got darts choked. Lost to Cowboy. Yep. Yep.

But he's also very, he's one dimensional. Yeah. He's not phenomenal on the ground He's a good anti-wrestler His striking's phenomenal But overall package Yeah That is the difference right Is the really good guys

Always threaten takedowns Always threaten submissions He just doesn't do that He stands up He's phenomenal at it He's a specialist at stand up I mean stand up is wicked He's got some of the best stand up in the world

For sure In MMA I mean Barboza's so fast too. He's got some of the best stand-up in the world, for sure, in MMA. I mean, Barboza's so fast, too. Wonder Boy, Barboza, they're right up there. Darren Till. Yeah. Darren Till and Wonder Boy is going to be a motherfucker. How about Wonder Boy?

I saw a quote coming in here where he goes, I'm not that impressed with Darren Till. Who is he? I'm like, did you learn nothing from the cowboy fight? Even I learned from that. I was like, man, why would Cowboy take this? I don't really know who Darren Till. Who is he? I'm like, did you learn nothing from the cowboy fight? Even I learned from that. I talked shit. I was like, man, why would Cowboy take this? I don't really know who Darren Till is. And then my inbox just flooded with shit. And even Darren

Till went off on me. And I look at him like, oh my God, this guy's a monster. He's an animal. Doesn't he have a gorilla tattoo or something? Does he? He's got gorillas all over his, like, uses it in his screen name and Twitter. Well, he's a gorilla he's a gorilla liverpool gorilla he's a bad motherfucker for wonder boy who's rehabbing his thumbs and it's

just like all right if you want this and then what happens if one let's say wonder where we're to win which i don't think he is unfortunately let's say i don't you think i'm on the stairs gonna get him i just yeah i think there's this kind of darren till dick ride A little bit. Right now, I'm hard dick riding on Khabib, Till. There's a few guys. DC always. Conor always. Always. Brian Ortega.

I dick ride Mighty Mouse, for sure. Yeah, you do dick ride that guy. I think he's the best. You've been that way forever. I think he's the best. I mean, that's fair. He needs a guy to challenge him. Isn't he fighting Cejudo again? Who I love Cejudo,

but it's like, do you guys hate fucking money? That shit's ridiculous. I mean, Cejudo's a beast, no doubt about it, and I love what Cejudo did against Wilson Hayes. I was like, holy shit, this is like a different Cejudo. He looks like a karate champion. Yeah, I get all that. Did you see what Mighty

Mouse did? Yeah, he went right through him. Oh, your black belt? Cool. And what he did to Cejudo. He looks like a karate champion. Yeah, I get all that. Did you see what Mighty Mouse did? Yeah, he went right through him. Oh, your back got cool. And what he did to Cejudo. Oh, you like to clinch? Check these out. Olympics? That's very cool. Check this knee out, sir. Knees to the body is fast. I grabbed him once, just joking around, playing.

He hit me in the body with a knee so fast it was confusing. It was confusing. Where'd that come from? Like, I go, I gotcha. He turns around. I'm like, hey. Hey, man. That's not supposed to go that quick.

Like, it's supposed to be, I see you move. I get to think this might come my way. Here it is. No, it was already there before I realized he was doing it. He's so fucking fast. Why? And do we know why the TJ fight's not going down? Dude, I don't know. but that one bums me out.

That's a few fights that bum me out. That's a fucking gigantic super fight. Why wouldn't he take that fight? Well, first of all, Mighty Mouse right now is rehabbing a shoulder surgery. So it's going to be a while. He was doing those, you know that bow thing they do? That flexy thing? Yeah. He was doing some of those

exercises the other day on Instagram. I'm looking at him like him like okay that's a guy that's got like he's got some scar tissue to work out like that's not that's not healed up did he get surgery or no yeah he got surgery so he's out for a little bit and tj probably doesn't want to wait i don't know if that's what the case is i don't know what the case is you know i mean shoulder surgery six months i mean so you wait three months then you have a three-month camp. But they wouldn't announce it yet, right? No. I mean, I don't even know.

You can't even say that because once you start going hard, you might not be able to go. Matt Hume and Mighty Mouse are about as smart as it gets when it comes to preparation. Correct. So there's no way they would take that fight if his shoulder wasn't 100% or any fight. And risk his legacy because he loses that fight. Everyone's like's like told you and they wouldn't go hard early to test it

no hell no they would let it well look at what whitley's been out a little bit because of his shoulder yeah yeah shoulders are tricky surgery yeah he was in here like right after he got it he said he's gonna heal up quick yeah and he might pr. Yeah, he's going to do all the PRP. There's as much different therapies. Cryo, I'm sure. It still takes a while, even with all our advances. Definitely faster. But now he's forced to fight.

And I see what the UFC is doing where they do an interim belt between Colby and Dos Anjos where it's interim belt. So now, Woodley, you literally have to fight the winner of this. You have to fight him. It's a very sneaky move. They have a belt. What are you going to do? You want a super fight? Nope. This guy has a belt. So now, Woodley, you literally have to fight the winner of this. You have to fight him. It's a very sneaky move. They have a belt. What are you going to do? You want a super fight? Nope, this guy has a belt. I get both sides here. If it's Dos Angeles, if Dos Angeles beats Colby, Dos Angeles lightweight champion, now welterweight champion.

That's a great fight. You could have Dos Angeles sitting there with two belts on his shoulders. And then what do you do with Darren Till? Let's say he for whatever reason, walks through Wonder Boy, which is, you could have Dos Anjos sitting there with two belts on his shoulders. I mean... And then what do you do with Darren Till? Let's say he, for whatever reason, walks through Wonderboy, which is tough to do. But let's say he walks through him, which Woodley struggled a little bit, walks through him, and Wonderboy's the number one guy. Now Darren Till jumps up to number one, or is Dos Anjos... Does that work that way?

Because the ratings are fucking screwy, man. Sometimes I see a guy who beat a guy, and then that guy who he beat is still ranked ahead of him. They're a nightmare. All the ratings do now, it almost hurts if you're a guy like Sean Shelby or Dana trying to make these matchups because a guy who's at four, if they say, hey, why don't you fight seven? He's like, no, he's seven.

I have nothing to gain from that. Where before, it was like, hey, why don't you fight this guy? He's a name. He's on a seven-fight win streak. We don't know what ranking he is, but want you to fight this guy. He's a name. He's on a seven fight win streak. We don't know what ranking he is, but we know he's damn good. So guys were more willing to take it.

Now they, nope, he's seven. I want number one. Exactly. I need three, four, you know.

Yeah, that's weird. It hurts us. Well, it's also weird. Like, the UFC could just, they just decide

who's fighting. I mean, it's the whole thing. The business is so interesting because it's like, they decide who's fighting. They decide who's champion. I mean, it's the whole thing. The business is so interesting because it's like they decide who's fighting. They decide who's champion. They decide, Tony, you're not champion anymore. We're going to strip you.

It's like, I fell. I fell. I don't want this to happen. He was at the Fox Studios. Yeah, he was doing it. I twist my knee. But he was working for the UFC when he fell. I mean, he's doing his obligations, his press obligations.

It's very strange to strip him of a belt when he never lost it and he has the longest winning streak. And then, I mean, he fell. But also, Khabib has no belt. Khabib has, there's no belt. Khabib was going to take the belt. They're going to make up a belt. And then Conor has the belt at 55.

So what do you do with that belt? Well, what they were planning on doing, I believe, and now they've kind of let the cat out of the bag because they said it's going to be for the world lightweight title. They were going to strip Conor the moment something happened. Like the moment the fight started. That's when they were going to strip Conor. They were going to announce that?

Yeah, because if they'd stripped him beforehand, then what happens if Tony doesn't make weight or something? Tony makes weight all the time. What if Khabib doesn't make weight? Then what the fuck do you have? Which I'm concerned. Then you have nothing. That makes sense.

So you already stripped him? Are you going to give it back to him? Are you going to give it back to him? No. It's very confusing. So what if he wants to fight again? Now he's not the champ anymore? What the fuck kind of shit is this?

It's strange. So they waited. And the idea was to wait. But now they're in a desperado situation. Straight desperado. Six days. Still a belt on the line. Not only that, fucking April Fool's.

April Fool's Day it happens. I didn't believe a goddamn word of it. Jimmy Smith starts texting me. I'm like, fuck that, dude. I'm not falling for it. Jamie texted me. I'm like, I'm not falling for it. You texted me?

You go, bro, it's April Fool's. I'm like, I know. But Dana, I said, Dana released a video. And he's, listen, I'm sure he likes a good April Fool's joke. But what he likes more is money and pay-per-view buys. You can't honeydick the fans and be like, psych, it's back on. Because people are going to be pissed and not buy it.

That's a good point. I didn't buy it. I still was like, maybe it's just an elaborate PR scam. I didn't even tweet about it until the next day. I know. I was tweeting about other shit. People were like, what the fuck, bro? This is going down.

You're not even tweeting about it. I'm like, I'm not. I'm not. I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to jump in. I checked with you. And then I checked with Josh Thompson, who works closely with uh khabib and then i so boom there's my two main guys and i went all right ariel i saw ariel tweet i'm like god he's a like journalist i'm a

i'm an ass clown he's a legit journalist like he has the you know credibility so i went bro is this real and he goes i would never joke around like that brendan i'm like he has the you know credibility so i went bro is this real he goes i would never joke around like that brendan i'm like he's right well i went straight to his jiu-jitsu coach i called eddie talked to him on the phone you're good friend yeah so and eddie gave me the full rundown of what happened with tony it's like he saw somebody and he turned to say hi to somebody didn't see some wires on the ground tripped over some wires and just blew his shit out. And Eddie was on the podcast yesterday. And Eddie was saying that Tony wanted to fight, or the day before yesterday.

Tony wanted to fight. They wouldn't let him fight. Yeah. His ligament is torn from the bone. Which is rare, which is hard to do. Where is that one? Lateral. Lateral.

Whatever. Collateral ligamentament some shit anyways but do you think uh it would if if it went tripping off that is that a freak accident or do you think it would have went during the fight it's hard to say oh i bet it was a freak accident right yeah especially lcl yeah i mean the way they said it but first of all what dana said was very savage what do you he say? Dana said he wears those sunglasses indoors. That should happen to everybody that wears sunglasses indoors. That's the Larry David quote. Have you heard the Larry David quote?

What? He goes, there's only two type of people that wear sunglasses indoors. Blind people and assholes. It's true. It's so true. It's so true. Don't wear those indoors. It's such a weird thing, man. Especially at night. Like, what are you doing? It's so hard to see so true such a weird thing man especially at night like what are you

doing it's so hard to see what is this what are you doing i've seen a guy in a club when i used to go clubs he'd have his glass on and then people walk by he'd lift them up to look around and put them back down you can't see shit the biggest tools wear glasses to fights they wear sunglasses and they sit there with their fucking sunglasses on like especially celebrities that do that it's like that do that. Celebrities do that. It's like, get a grip. However, that's like when you know you fucked up and you got too famous.

You have to wear sunglasses at a fight. You sit in the front row with sunglasses on. And your boy's just like, no, I like it, man. Yeah, wear those indoors. That makes complete sense. Same if you wear like a peacock coat and your boy's like, that's all good. I'm going to start doing podcasts like this. Dude, that stresses me out.

From now on. That stresses me out. Sam tripley did a podcast like this did you say something what did you say something yeah like what are we doing and i put mine on i put mine on and we we've done it before with uh sunglasses with nasa outfits that's hilarious delia did our put did the fire in the kid with sunglasses on i go go, bro, you got to take the sunglasses off. He goes, my future's too bright. My future's too bright. And I went, oh, fuck, mine too. And I put my glasses on. And the accountant goes, shit, I don't have my sunglasses.

Yeah, it's a weird thing, sunglasses. That's a hilarious quote by Dana, though. Yeah. Hilarious. Hilarious. And especially considering how much money he's losing on this fight. Can you imagine? Can you imagine getting a call that close and being like,

what? Well, it keeps happening. It keeps happening. It keeps happening. Does it? It's happened a bunch of times. It's happened a bunch of times. This one, the MMA gods are like, you morons. I'm trying to do you a favor here. What was the most recent one where that happened? Where Cyborg stepped

in last minute. This close? Yeah, the last one. Cyborg stepped in. Oh. This close? Yeah. So the last one. Cyborg stepped in. Oh, that was Max Holloway breaks his foot. Max Holloway and Frankie Baker. But then there was the Ferguson one

with Khabib where Khabib's liver shut down. They had to take him to the fucking hospital. That was a bummer. That was a bummer. This has happened a ton of times.

Was the worst one John Jones? UFC 200? Oh, that's pretty bad. DC? Remember the right literally the day before? That was pretty bad. You're like, what UFC 200? Oh, that's pretty bad. DC? Remember the right, literally the day before? That's pretty bad. You're like, what?

But I wonder if that's better for the UFC. Shitty business either way. But is it better for the UFC? Because people, we've already seen the hype where they bought in. Yeah. And then like the next day, like, what the, where's John? Like, oh yeah, you didn't hear that? Like, does that help them more?

Or does this, where you at least can promote a little bit with Max Holloway? You can promote a little bit with Max Holloway, and it's an interesting fight. It's a very interesting fight. Yeah, there's a lot of those, man, that happen. You're like, what? Which one was the Jon Jones DC one? UFC 200. And what was the thing that Jon did?

Which one was that? Remember that— Was that the Coke one? Yeah, I think that was the Coke one. No. The Coke was— No, away with the Coke one. This was Dick Pills. Remember?

He was like, hey, we got to strip, we got to pull him from the card. And then DC fought Anderson Silva. That's right. On like two days notice. Anderson. And then DC didn't win any fans that because he just kind of. Yeah. Yeah, he just wrestled.

It's a weird fight. He just wrestled him and it was whatever. Still won though. Well, Anderson front kicked him in the gut, too, and I think he hurt him. Yeah, it was messed up. That was awkward. Yeah. But it happens in sports.

This is what I think makes fighting so great. So great. Max has an opportunity that no one else in the world in sports can have. And then look at Canelo Triple G. In combat sports, this is what we deal with. Canelo, that's the biggest fight of the year. Biggest fight everyone wants to see, the rematch of the year, and then tainted meat. Do you buy the tainted meat?

Absolutely not, sir. I've had many tacos in Mexico, and I'm not swole. Yeah, but you're not getting tested for trace amounts of clenbuterol. You don't know. Maybe I have to go and snitch come to my house just for the fucks of it. Maybe I'm still in the testing protocol. Yeah, maybe. I don't know.

But I would see some sort of change. But even Triple G's camp goes, last fight he was on it. What else is new? Now, why do you think they said that? I don't know. Listen, I'm sure Gennady's been in there with over 500 people now, 400 people. And he just said in his experience, he can tell who's on PDs and who's not, and he thought Canelo was.

Do you buy that? I do, because as a fighter, there's guys I fought who I assumed were. Okay, but what about Woodley? A guy like Woodley has tremendous genetics. He's always been like that. Right. Always been like that, but so has Canelo, no? You look at it, he's gotten pretty swole.

Now, he's getting older, though, so it could be that, too. He's just, as you get older, you put on more size. Well, the big one was Manny. Manny was the one that everybody was always accusing. And Manny was the first. I mean, Manny went up eight weight classes and kept his knockout power. He was fighting as a little boy and then just was like crazy. I mean, and kept the knockout power he's fighting as a little boy and then just was like crazy i mean and kept the knockout power true and most people thought that man he was on peds correct and then they thought that man he got off peds when he fought juan manuel marquez and he got

starched but he got but there's two there's a two-sided story there he got off peds and he also found jesus christ so he stopped going to strip clubs he stopped hanging out with girls but he stopped having fun. And then got serious about Jesus and got knocked the fuck out. Then he saw Jesus in that fight. Jesus was like, listen, if you want to be a savage, you gotta live like a savage. Jesus was like, I'm not even advising this,

man. Just fucking do your thing. Keep taking steroids. Yeah, take them steroids. Jesus was like, listen, I made steroids. Steroids came from God. That wheatgrass ain't gonna to help you, son. That's good for you, but you need steroids too. It's good, but you need this too. Depends on what you are.

I mean, if you want to be a 147-pound knockout artist. I mean, but Marquez is no stranger to the Mexican supplements. No. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Well, they had the same strength and conditioning coach. When Manny found Jesus, his old strength and conditioning coach went over. Went to the dark side. Juan Manuel Marquez.

He was always on the dark side. Stayed on the dark side. That dude was always on the dark side. Yeah. What was his name? People I know. Abel? Alex.

Alex. Alex Ariza. Ariza. Yes. Good call, brother. Yeah. He knows his shit, man. He knows his shit.

And I don't know whether or not he got anybody on PEDs that are just blaming him. But he knows his shit. As a strength and conditioning coach, that guy's very, very good. Yeah, I would have worked with him if I was fighting. I saw the stuff that he was doing with Juan Manuel Marquez. I was like, this guy's – he's super legit. And he brings those guys up to, like, modern levels of performance. Correct.

Not the old school shit. Some of the old school shit to this day, I think chopping wood, that's all legit, man. Sledge hammers on tires, that's as legit as it gets. I agree. I think it's good to add in. I think deadlifts, all that stuff. But I think you mix that with the new wave of technology, now you got something. Well, what I was saying about Nick Kursan and that Marv Marinovich method, it's all

plyos, man. Everything's like jump box jumps. Movement. Yeah. Left, right, left, right, left, right. Kursan said something very interesting to me when i said like what do you think fighters are missing most like strength condition wise he said foot strength that makes sense it totally makes sense you know who's who's been on that ball since god since i've known him as lauren landau who i worked

with in denver now he just got the gig as the number he's the head condition coach of the denver broncos whoa but he was making us work out barefoot forever, even as football players. Steve Maxwell was always on that, too. Yeah. All his kettlebell workouts. There's some of those guys who it's like, oh, this is all new. And then you talk to like a Lauren or that Maxwell guy like, we've been doing this for like 20 years. Yeah.

You guys are just now finding out about it. Well, so many people. You see so many people working out with like high, thick ass running shoes that are all spongy on the bottom. Yeah, I'd be one of them. Yeah, a lot of people do. But you're not training for a fight right now. No, no. But if you were, you'd try to optimize everything, wouldn't you?

Yeah, I used to wear those five finger. I'd wear those to run. I'd wear those on the track. I'd wear those during most of my stuff. So now you just wear regular running shoes for comfort? Regular running shoes. And then I had a knee problem because I was putting so many miles on it. Now I'm on a bike.

I got one of those Pelotons. Yeah, those are dope. It's been good. It's good because you can play along and go along with a class. Yeah, it's cool. I don't know if it's the answer to do every day, but I need to mix it up, man. I'm just bored as fuck with working out. That Echo bike. bike those are dope i want to get one of those in the crib that echo bags but i like waking up because my mondays and tuesdays are a nightmare i have to

be on set at 7 a.m so i'm waking up at like five just doing that peloton for an hour that i'm off oh that's good yeah where before i'd have to try and go to the gym or i was missing my workouts it drives me nuts dude i like to start the day with a sweat and then i get going you know what kick i'm on the versa climber those are a nightmare i went to the gym the other day and i did 150 meter sprint at the end of the workout the trainer had me do 150 meter sprint on their verse climb did you feel like passing out holy shit it's hard holy shit when you get off man like you're barely you've done it before yeah but i haven't been doing it no i'm getting one in here now. It might be the toughest thing as far as cardio-wise.

Again, Lorne Lando used to have us do it, even as football players, all the time. And I was like, what the fuck are we doing, man? This is awful. It was by far, he'd have these circuits, and it'd always end on that. I remember everyone, if he's like, here's your circuit, and you end on Versa, some of the best athletes in the world are just like, god man what are we doing yeah well that's what they do at this this gym that i've been working out he likes to do a circuit the end of the circuit you get on that versa climber and you sprint and it's you know how much time to get to 150 meters i've been doing uh

rows with my trainer oh yeah i do that too i do row we do the thousand meter row and i'm like what's a good time so we looked up the top times. I'm like, I think I'm top 300 in the world right now. I got to do some work. Really? Yeah, there's a big difference between top 300 and the top 100. Yeah, but dude, you're top 300 in the world with a row? With a row, yeah.

Look it up. That's pretty fucking sweet. It's all right. I mean, it's a row machine. I'm top 85 million. I mean, no. Hold up. You I'm top 85 million. I mean, no. Hold up. You're the – hold on.

Hold on. Let's just – that was the humble brag, but let's just be serious here. You're the hardest kicker ever on that goddamn UFC machine. Well, I call it the Francis machine. Well, there's a video of me doing 152. Like right now, you only see the one with me kicking it and with my jeans on, and that got to 135. Were they stretchy jeans?

Yeah. Barbell jeans. Basically PEDs. PEDs. Yeah. It's like sweatpants, man. Some dude burned me. Burned me from the audience.

And he goes, hey, man, how long did it take you to paint on those jeans? And I went, oh, my goodness, sir. You just scorched me. No, Theo Von did me dirty. He goes, bro, we're clowning each other. We're clowning each other. I said, you look like an extra from the Waterboy set. He goes, the fuck?

He goes, bro, you look like you work at the Nordsum's rack and you're a mechanic. I was like, the fuck? What is he talking about? He's so crazy. It's a Theo Vaughn thing. These fucking pants, man. These pants are the shit. These are different.

These right now I have on. They're similar. They're called Mott & Bow. Is it another company? Oh, those are good company. Yeah. Those are like legit jeans. Yeah.

They're like more feel like jeans where the barbell jeans are like, they look like jeans until you touch them. They go, hey, what's going on here? Like sweat. Got sweatpants on, son. No, that's not a good company. That's like a legit company. This will bind you up a little bit more if you were trying to kick somebody.

A little bit more. So what did you do the record setting kick in? With barbell jeans. I did the record one. This is the record one. I see you with that Dos Anchos rump. I see you, son. That's on my hill running, man.

My ass is way bigger. A lot of people have been complimenting me on it. Nothing wrong with a nice ass. I don't like that fat belly, though. I'm so fat right now. You are not fat. For me, 152. And what's the hardest?

No, I'm definitely fatter than I usually am. I've been cheating on my diet way too much. I hear you, man. Cheating way too much. Well, it's also, I can't, there's certain things I can't do in the gym right now, and I got this, man. This dildo that I got here. What do you do with that, bro?

This is for, you know, I have golfer's elbow. I have this tendinitis. I've had that for a while. Fuck, dude. I've never had tendinitis before. Have you ever had it? Yeah, not fun. It takes forever.

Forever. Like, way more than a muscle. You got shots in there? I got PRP. I got Regenikine. I got stem cells. I had a bunch of shots. This, this dildo I'm holding, this helped me more than any of them.

It's a good size dick. In two weeks. In two weeks, this thing is helping. That dry needling you did seemed like it should have fixed everything. What did? The dry needling. Oh, complete waste of time. Oh, yeah.

You saw me do that, too. I had dry needling where they used electricity, too. And they zapped it. And they get a pulse. It did nothing for me. Didn't help. This helped. This is cheap.

You buy it on Amazon. It's called TheraBand. And what do you do with it? And my friend Brian told me about this. Callan? No, no, no. Brian from, I'll give you his last name. Sorry. He's Vinny Shorman's buddy from Fontana, California.

I think, what is his thing? Double Deuce Muay Thai. Is that his place? Here, hold on a second. That's a great shirt, by the way, Jamie. Brian Dobler. And Brian is a great Muay Thai coach himself. So what do you do with this guy?

He had an issue, and he told me this is the thing that fixed him. You take it, you hold it out like this right in front of you, right? Then you twist. This is the arm that's injured, the bottom arm. So you hold out. You twist it with the other one, and then you hold it straight, and then you let it untwist with this arm slowly. And I've been doing this shit all the time.

I do it in my car. I take it with me at home. But I'm twisting the shit out of it and then slowly untwisting it with my right side. And it's helping? Oh dude it makes a big impact it makes a big impact because it's strengthening it it's strengthening this this little particular area but it's also getting a ton of blood you hold it like that like palm palm out and then twist it right and now straighten it out now unwind it with this hand with the injured hand

there you go just like that yeah and you just do that slow and i'll do that like for like five ten minutes at a time and then i'll leave it alone game changer huh game changer feeling all that other dude a lot better i mean obviously i've had a lot of other shit done to it like the reginokine was like um might help a month or so ago i'm sure it helped but that's good this once i started doing it almost immediately within a few days started feeling better basic son yeah but i can't there's a lot of shit i can't do like i can't do chin-ups right now i have been able to do chin-ups uh i could do rows but i can't go heavier than like 50 pounds like everything has to be all about preserving this little ligament.

And your trainer knows that? Yeah. It's a new trainer? Yeah. Yeah. As long as they're good trainers, they usually know how to adapt. But even here, like when I'm training here, there's so much shit I can do.

I can't do any of the rings. No. I can throw straight punches. Yep, but no hooks. No, no hooks. Uppercut. But it's getting much better just in two weeks of using this fucking thing. Do you ever think about resting it?

Maybe just not doing anything, sir. That's how I got fat. Well, you can still get up. You're crazy. You're crazy. For me to stick on a diet, I have to have a meal specialist deliver my meals. I'm that guy right now. I'm usually really good at it.

But one thing this has done is ramped up my hill running. So I've been doing more hill running. Are you the type of dude that, well, I always see late night, you're always posting. Yeah, you got that fat ass. I always see when, pH fat. I see when at night when you come home from the comic store, you're always posting protein and veggies. Are you really eating that? Or are you like, there's that, and then you have McDonald's on the side?

No, I'm not doing McDonald's. If I cheat, it's pasta. Dude, that was me last night. I ate a whole pizza the other day. Fucking giving up. Where from? It was at a restaurant. I went with the missus and we ordered some other stuff and I said, let's just get a pizza

too. Right. That's how it starts. She's like, I'm not really into this. I'm like, good. Bro, that's me, man. I wolfed the whole pizza down. Ate that i'm so disappointed myself i had these i had these meals man i've been strict on it when i'm on the road it's fucking tough or when if i'm not getting any sleep my body craves sugar and carbs yep but that always screwed

same thing i'm like i just want and then one i just can't stop myself it's hard and then last night i made my son this pasta. And of course I have to try it. I make sure it's not poison. I tried. I'm like, that's fucking way better than my meal. I'm about to eat. So I just fired up some tortellini.

It's hard. It's also hard when you work hard because I work. I do a lot of things. I'm always busy. And it's like sometimes I want want to go off with food. Like that's my indulgence. That's the one thing where I can get loose on, man. But most of the time, I'm very strict.

Most of the time. But it's been hard with this injury. It's just because I thought it was going to be healed by now. So it's been frustrating the shit out of me. There's certain things I want to do. Like I was on this heavy chin-up kick and heavy cleans and presses kick and that's probably where i wound up doing this because i felt some twinges and instead of just working on it and like letting it heal up i pushed through it for months that's the athlete in you that's

the idiot in me for months i pushed that's how you but that's how it works when you're an athlete i'm sure when you're doing taekwondo or jiu-jitsu, you get hurt. It's not like, oh, let me take months off to make this better. It's none of that. Yeah. And that's something that Eddie said about Tony. Is it like Tony, when he gets hurt, he's like, whatever, I'm hurt. Just works around it. Whatever it is, he doesn't stop working out.

Ever. Ever. Yeah. But this is an eye-opener for me. This TheraBand thing is like, always keep searching. And the other thing I have is this other thing where I put my fingers in this rubber thing and I expand my fingers. Like it's very difficult to expand. You know, it's easy to contract. You're always doing that. But how much strength do you have this way? Very little. It's kind of shocking.

When do you ever do it? Never. Never? Never. But this rubber thing is really good. And I think I read, I think it was Jim Stopani, who's a bodybuilder guy online he's got a bunch of supplements and shit and uh he's he's also super super smart educated guy and he he was recommending that for people with tendonitis there's a lot of different things you could do with bands and this one this is the strongest one they have to keep shaking like a dick do you

do you think if you would have went to uh physiotherapy they would have shown you all this stuff before you injected yourself with all these needles and stuff? I feel like a lot of it's physio. Maybe. Yeah. No. You live, you learn. Most of them were just saying ice it and rest. Oh, God damn it.

The rest, yes, but the rest they want. It's just not what I want to do. Well, it's also when your body is so used to going hard and then you're not going hard. And then your body's like, okay, let's find some problems. I know. Let's get annoyed. And I can't sit still. And then it's like, well, now I'm lazy and it affects everything.

Yeah, you feel like a bitch. I know. I know. But like I said, it's increased my badonkadonk. Yeah, that's on you. Oh, man, dude. The missus likes it or she wants you to tone it down? She's happy with it.

No one likes a flat ass. No one likes a flat ass. Even on a guy. Yeah. No one. That might be the worst thing if you have a flat ass. You know when a girl wants a flat ass? I'd rather have a small dick than a flat ass.

A girl wants a flat ass because she knows a guy's not going anywhere. Correct. Yeah. Look at him when it's flat ass. Probably drives him away. Where you going, bitch? Maserati, flat ass, fucking shitty jeans. Loafers on.

Gucci loafers on Gucci loafers Gucci loafers No socks Flat ass Gets tired walking upstairs Could you imagine if all of a sudden You had someone's flat ass God

And then you had to like walk around And you had to realize Oh my god It's so hard to walk up hills How do you get around? How do you get around flat ass? Fuck carrying up the grocery bags Up the stairs

That's out How about Would you I've seen it where around how do you get around flat carrying up the grocery bags up the stairs that's out how about would you but i've seen it where it might be one of the easiest muscles to build like there's some girls with flat asses then you see them on instagram these instagram models who do like deadlifts or something and then just over time boom that ass just grows like a tomato if they really are motivated you can get your ass to grow. A little Winnie, a little fucking. A little of that, right?

Yeah. For sure. There's a lot of that going on with girls, man. There is. Win straw is what we're talking about, folks. You don't know what Winnie is. Yeah, I wasn't referring to Winnie the Pooh. I'm talking about Win straw.

Steroids. Yeah. A lot of those fitness girls are doing steroids. Yes. They just do a little bit. Just a little bit. Just a little bit. It changes them a little bit.

The jaw. You look at the shoulders. They just do a little bit. Just a little bit. It changes them a little bit. The jaw. You look at the shoulders. They get manly. Anytime Cal sees a ripped girl, he goes, steroids. Literally every time. Steroids.

A lot of them is. Like, goddamn, bro. They keep that shit, though. They keep it. That's what's weird. They keep the manly parts. They don't just keep the muscles. When they get off the shit,

their face is still hard. Yeah, their face structure is a little different. There's a lady who lives in my neighborhood. like they don't just keep the muscles when they get off the shit. Their face is still hard. Yeah. They're structured like their face structures. A little different as a lady who lives in my neighborhood. She used to be a big old Ms. Olympia and I see her walking around and it's weird. She's, she's,

she looks like a man, not just in her face, but in her, her, the way she carries herself, everything. Right. So like,

you know, I mean, that sounds weird to say, but there's a certain masculine quality that the the people the women that take massive amounts of steroids they develop they just develop they they look different they're wider yeah they don't look like they're gonna take care of you you know what i'm saying i don't I'm not attracted to that. I don't.

No. Listen, to each his own. Sweet and cuddly. No, there's no. They're not going to be the best moms is what I'm saying here. They're not going to cook you dinner. It's like it's not necessarily, that's even bad. But if you want that, those career women will be mad at you. Like if you want a soft.

Oh, I know. If you want a soft, soft sweet caring woman who likes to cuddle and is going to be a good mom and it's just sweet to be around yeah kind oh you mean the opposite of us yeah yeah yeah but a lot of career women will get mad at you i know like that's what you want you want a woman that just can't take care of herself oh you don't want an equal yeah no bitch i date brian callan i'm good. I'd toss a wig on Brian if I wanted that. Well, that equal stuff is like, equal how? How so?

Oh, you just can't date your equal? Oh, you go date some cartoon? All right. Okay, but they want to be a woman in some respect, right? They don't want to be an equal. They're not claiming they're as strong as you or as funny as you or know as much about pussy. Where are you equal? You're not an equal. You're a woman.

You're just an aggressive, successful, powerful woman. But you're not a man. If you were equal, I'd be gay. Correct. We'd be two dudes high-fiving and butt-fucking. Yes, and watching the game together. Yeah, if that's your thing, that's cool.

But this whole one and equal, why are we playing math games? Yeah, why can't we just be chill? Can't we just like each other? Yeah, yeah. Why do we have to be equal? Yeah. What is that?

I don't know. It's weird. And I run from it. I run from it. He's a success woman. Who said there can only be one headshot in the household? Have you ever heard that? That's good, though.

You can only have one headshot in the household. It's not going to work That's good, though. You can only have one headshot in the household. It's not going to work out if you both want to be famous. You know what George Harrison once said? He said, all I need from a woman is to be attracted to her. Everything else I get from a man. That's a great quote. We're going to get shit for that. Well, we didn't say that.

I didn't say it. No. I would never say that. I would not either. I would agree with that. I need a woman to be my equal. I need i need an equal my equal pay the rent a bitch and i need someone who calls me on my shit and yells at me all the time and throws things at me and even makes fun of me oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah that's what i want that's exactly what just to me and then

comes home with a six-pack and rips a huge fart look at this female bodybuilder candace armstrong steroid habit made her grow a penis and facial hair. Whoa. She's a dude. Are you sure that's real? She's on that Gold's Gym diet. Wow. Let's see the dick. Come on. Whoa. Oh, wow.

See, she turned into a man. Oh, wow. That's a heavy whitehead on her. That's a giant whitehead. It's a whitehead on her bicep. They must have put makeup on her, too How are they letting that white head go? That's staff. Why wouldn't they cover that up dude? She's so jacked. Look at her hands. Oh my god. Look at her arms, dude She's yeah, look at her face. That's a dude. That's a dude. Come on. Is this a joke? This might be a joke like Criss Angel. She doesn't even look like act

Yeah, but the size of her hands looks proportionate, too. Like, she doesn't look like a girl that took steroids. There's nothing feminine about that woman. Look at her back. Holy shit. Look at those back pics. I don't think that's the same person. You sure? Yeah. Are you sure? Oh, my God. That's Photoshop. Damn! Look at that. That's a dude with a nice set of hair.

Well, some girls can be jacked and muscular, but still look like a woman. Like Felice still look like A woman like Felice Herrig Do you see Felice Herrig she's fighting this weekend Bodied up But you see the picture of her doing double biceps From the back with some pictures she did At the UFC press thing you're like jacked

Attractive young lady There's a few who are jacked Who are attractive But she's jacked like a woman She's jacked like a woman who lifts weights. Yeah, it doesn't look artificial. No, this lady that we just saw. Yeah.

That's a good picture, but that's just her looking fit. There's a picture of her. Just Google her image, double bicep or something like that. She's a lady. She's an attractive lady. There you see it. She's Shred City, son. That's a shredded, fit woman.

But that looks like a woman. Like, look at her arms. It looks like a powerful woman's arm. Who's in shape as balls. In shape as fuck. But that other lady, that didn't look like. I shouldn't have said balls there. I didn't mean in shape as balls.

God damn it. You meant a good thing. Now we get shit online. She's a tank. Fire Shob. He said balls. Yeah. We can't fire you for your own thing.

If they fire you from Showtime, it'll be like they used the force against themselves. It'll just make you stronger. I do say a lot of crazy shit, though. You could do that show on your own. Anything like that, you could do on your own. I think it's great that you're on Showtime. It's a fun show, too.

What I like about it is you're being you on that show. I see you on that show. I'm like, oh, they let him be himself. Like you say, a bunch of silly shit. You're laughing. There's a lot of cracking up. Yeah. I have fun.

They let me do my thing. The first one, there was a lot of teleprompter. And I was like, God, that's really not my thing. Y'all let me go. And they listened to me. That's the great thing about Showtime. They listen to me. But the fans are like, man, this isn't why we listen to Brendan to be another freaking

sports show. You've got to let him go. And literally, they all were like, but the fans are like, man, this isn't why we listen to Brendan to be another freaking sports show. You got to let him go. And literally, they all were like, all right, here you go, man. Here's your point. Do what you want to do. I'm like, really? But then they edit it so I don't get in trouble on my podcast, which is why they're Showtime and I'm what I do.

Well, we talked about the other day with Eve Edwards. Eve was in here. That's one of those things. And I was saying, when you talk as much as we talk, we both, I talk too much. You talk too much. We talk too much. Yes. When you talk too much, shit comes out of your mouth.

You're going to step in some shit. And then you're scrambling trying to make it make sense. Joe, I can't't i didn't listen to the podcast with these i i like these we don't know each other that well the thing that bothers me about this is i couldn't even tell you the point i was trying to make i can if someone's like give us a million dollars tell us the point you're trying to make like i forget i remember kevin leon and then i remember before that i was 20 minutes deep and explained why i think dc is the greatest of all time as a beside you as a commentator why is the future of the sport and then before that show me and brian were talking about something with

race and men and women and somehow that entered my brain and i have no animosity toward it this doesn't make sense i have no animosity towards uf. It's one of my favorite shows. I've worked with Karen Bryant for over 10 years. She's a good friend. Woodley, DC, Kenny Florian's a good friend. Bisbing's a good buddy. I don't know Eves. I work with the team on UFC Tonight.

I love those guys. I just had Jimmy Smith in on my show who works there. It makes zero sense. And then I was in st louis and i started to get texts from someone involved in that show i won't say their name and he goes hey man uh some people are upset here about what he said and i'm like what i i can't even tell you what i said and he tells me like what and then chin goes hey man i'm seeing online about some of the stuff he goes should i edit it out no we never do that i go don't edit let me deal with it let me see

what i say because that makes me look even worse if you cut it out looks like i was saying something that i wasn't meant to say and then you know eves was upset and then me and eves text back and forth again i don't know him brian works with him a little bit on certain stuff for help or something like that for shows or what he's trying to do which is great everyone should talk to brian you know if you're friends with him and then um i sent eve a text. I had his number from Brian. And I thought it was over, squashed. And then I was doing PR for my Below the Belt show in New York. And someone brought it up.

And I went, oh, man. Again, I meant no offense. I come up with about 10 hours of content a week. I can't even tell you what I was saying. I messed up. Whoever had problems with it, if it was Evewards um that's his own insecurities which is so stupid because i i couldn't tell you what he should be insecure about right makes sense and then as soon as i got done that interview i get texts from my brother's list goes you're an idiot

you resurface that story i'm like oh my god and then and so i text eve again and then eve comes on here right and then then I haven't listened to it. And then I text Eve like, dude, I don't want to keep going through this. I meant zero offense. I've texted Karen Bryant, DC, Woodley, literally anyone that you see tonight. This business, especially entertainment, you know this better than anyone. It's impossible to be successful in this business. It's a fucking monster.

I'm willing to help them out. I want the help. You know what better than anyone. It's impossible to be successful in this business. It's a fucking monster. I'm willing to help them out. I want the help. You know what I'm saying? I don't even want to criticize people. That's not what I do. That's not why I signed up for this. You just got caught on a path when you started talking about something. And then one of the things that we do, the best part about it is there's no script.

The best and the worst. It's the worst because sometimes it goes haywire. It didn't go haywire. My biggest issue is whenever someone was hurt by my words or is upset by something I said, then I'm like, again, I don't know Eve that well at all. But I lost sleep over it. I'm like, oh, my God. What am I doing?

I have respect for him. He's a pioneer at 155. Again, I love all the people you see tonight. I watch the show all the goddamn time they're my friends you just went down a path and you got stuck and you you tried to just make sense of your words makes no sense i apologize to you it's it's all good i told him open door policy once come on the show we can talk about on there but yeah i put my foot in my mouth and i tell you it's probably gonna happen again i wish i could say it's not probably happening that's part of what makes it fun is that you are really working without a filter working without a net you're just you're trying to have fun yeah i mean that's

and sometimes you take some swings and you miss swings i i can't tell what ball i was trying to hit i can't even tell you taking swings at balls i was even know what i was hitting so yeah sometimes that shit happens. It happens. Yeah. It's just one of those things. I mean, I've done it a hundred times on this podcast. I said some shit, and I was like, what the fuck did I even say that for?

I don't even know what was going on in my mind. And sometimes, like, when you're trying to form a sentence, like right now I'm trying to form a sentence, right? Like, sometimes while you're thinking about it, you're like, this isn't going so good. I know. Let me try to make it sound better or let me try to see if i could rescue this for the people that are listening and make some sense and then it just makes it more cloudy and more fucked up and it's hard for people to follow and it's like oh my god i speak for a living yeah have you ever been on stage he's going through my set and i was i've been doing it so

much lately i'll be in the middle of it and in in my mind, I'll fast forward to already the next bit. I'm thinking about that bit while I'm doing this one. Have you ever done that? Or am I crazy? You've got to be careful about that. I know, because I'm not present. Don't do that. And you know what happened?

I skipped over a part that was new and I thought was going to be a home run. I skipped over it. Yeah. And I went back, because I recorded it, right? And I didn't realize I was doing the moment. And I listened and I go, oh, my God. And I remember in my head going, dude, you're here on third. You're in first base.

You're looking at third already. You missed second base. You're not even the moment. That's hard because there's like a – you never know how you should think when you're on stage. You're doing the bit and you're just trying to perform the bit right and if it's going well then you start thinking okay this is going well what am i going to lead into next but while you're still talking about the original thing you can't do that i know have you done that before though yeah yeah yeah no i've definitely done it you i was so disappointed in myself man the big

thing about comedy one of the big things is the audience has to know that you are honestly thinking about that subject. Like, even if you talked about it a hundred times, when you're talking about it that day in front of those people, they want, they're hearing it for the first time. They want you to be tuned into that subject 100%. And present. Yeah, if you're not, they sense it i know i know i'm so disappointed myself i've never done it before and it was it was very strange too because and this is what hurts me about the eve edwards situation is the guys i look up to yourself gary shandling like they always help people man you don't put anyone down they always help people

and i don't have the same platform you guys have but i like to think one day i will and i want to help people like you guys help people like there's the 60 degrees of separation and you look at all the lives you've touched and gary shanley it's it's insane that's so inspirational to me and i was watching the gary shanley doc and i went man that's so cool and that's why this edwards situation is fucking me up because i'm like damn man that's not i don't want to hurt anyone but with back to the comedy i was so excited because that Gary Chandler stuff when they whenever they Gary Shanley whenever they show comedy store stuff it's just I'm so into it man he was talking about the comedy store I got super inspired and I was like let's do this I've never been more pumped to hit the stage and then that happened I was so disappointed you're still getting it I mean

think about like how long you've been doing stand-up you've been doing it less than two years yeah this is a thing that's going to come up yeah i know it's like you know it's like uh like when you're you know you're doing a certain move and you leave yourself open for an arm bar you know how the fuck am i still doing that it's just you just have to cement it into your head it's's a craft. You know what I mean? You got a great work ethic. Yeah. And you're a funny dude. And you're very good at going off the cuff. And you're impulsive.

Like, those are all great qualities for comedy. And you're also doing the work involved, like, you're listening to tapes. You're going over notes. You're doing things a lot of comics don't do. Yeah. Because a lot of comics are fucking lazy. You're going over notes. You're doing things a lot of comics don't do because a lot of comics are fucking lazy.

Like I've had conversations with dudes. I'm like, you did a fucking special last August or last October and you're already recording another one? And I'm like, yeah, I work. I fucking work, man. That's nice. Like I really work. Like I get home from a comedy store. I'll get home. It's 1230 at night.

I'll just sit in front of the fucking TV. I'll put something on just for background and I pull out the laptop and I start writing. When you come back from the time store, right? I start writing. I go over subjects. I'll put, I mean, I sometimes I just have something in the background just for visual. I just like to be stimulated by something back there. And sometimes I'll just sit by myself at my desk, just nothing, just nothing but that fucking screen staring at it. And when I do that every two or three days, I'll come up with a great line every two or three days,

which is not, which is nuts, which is a lot of work. Yeah. And cause usually I'll come home, you know, it's late at night. I'll just take one little hit.

Just sit there and go over the ideas. Give those ideas their time. The stuff you already over the ideas. Give those ideas their time. The stuff you already have. Yeah. Give those ideas their time. And then maybe I have a new idea. Maybe I have a new idea. I'll flesh that out too.

And then I'll come back and look at that again tomorrow night. And then I have a whole list. I started using this program called Scrivener. Have you ever heard of Scrivener? No. On the iPad? No. Well, you can use it on Mac.

It'll work on an iPad. Or you could use it on Windows. It'll work on an iPad. Or you could use it on Windows, too. I've been writing on Windows. Do you like that? Yeah. I like actual paper. Paper's good, but I can't write with my hands as fast as I can type. The phone version?

Oh, they've got a phone version, too. Is that for Android as well? Probably. It says features for iOS. So what exactly do you do with this, Joe? Well, this one is different. Show the corkboard thing. The corkboard thing is interesting.

What they do is just see if you could – yeah, right there. Pull that up. So they have it like – this is like you could do it in different colors. So you could have different – each one of those things, those little little windows can be like a box oh that's cool that you know that that doesn't look like a cork board but sometimes you could change the background shit and make it actually look like a cork board but what it is is basically a board a bulletin board where you've taken an index card and you put it up there and the index card has the subject. Oh, that's sweet. I do that in real life, too. I have a real cork board.

Oh, really? And I put index cards on the cork board, like if I'm doing, like, Vegan Cat. I'll do that bit. I'll put it up right there. Hilarious. That's so hilarious. I can't wait for that one. I put all these different things on the cork board, and then I'll look at them, and I'll pick one, and then I'll do it.

on the cork board and then I'll look at them and I'll pick one and then I'll do it. But really all these different things is just about making the time, putting the focus in. Discipline. That's what you do and that's why you're getting better so quick. And all these other guys are like, what the fuck? He's already doing an hour? What the fuck? He's touring the road?

He works! He listens to those recordings. Nobody listens to the recordings, man. They record them and they never listen to them. I listen. You got to listen. You have to. It sucks to hear your voice, listens to the recordings, man. They record them and they never listen to them. I listen. You got to listen. You have to. It sucks to hear your voice, right? It's not good.

It's the worst. That's what it looks like. Oh, that's sweet, man. Yeah. So it's set up like that, like where it literally looks like. So I have that on my laptop. And so I come home, I'll bust open a card and I'll pick a subject and I'll start going. And if something else comes to mind while

i'm on that i'll just start talking about that i just keep going it's all just about opening up the floodgates but really just about giving giving everything more time giving everything more more attention more focus you know and not just skimming through it yeah so we're done what's good is a moment like this where you up and you were thinking about one bit while you're thinking about another. Now you know that that can happen. Yep. So that's like a lesson.

So just look at it as a good thing. Like now your set will be stronger because of that. Yep. Whenever I have a bad set, the one good thing that it says to me is like, okay, I know how bad that feels. I know where I went wrong. I know it's live comedy, man. Live is crazy.

It's just, there's so many factors. It's live comedy, man. Live is crazy. It's just there's so many factors. It's so loose and wild. It's a crazy way to perform. And sometimes it doesn't go right. It's the purest way to perform. Yeah, I mean. But everyone I know, like, as far as just the tip of the spear as far as comedy, like you, Burr, D'Elia, there's one thing in common.

All you guys work, man. Work. Relentless. Relentless. Constantly. Gotta be doing sets all the time. You know, I'll do sets three, four nights a week at the least. A good week, I'll do five. Like, wrapping up for my special, I'll do five.

Your special's in April, right? Yeah. April 20th, Boston. Hell yeah. 20th and 21st can't wait man how great is that room the best that room is crazy right dude for me that yeah that's a i highlight that one like as far as lifetime achievements of wilbur for for a guy like me to sell at the wilbur what and then you open and we kept it a secret and i'm a chatty kathy i'm so proud of myself that was great that. That was great. The fucking best, man. Well, also, that place is like three comedy clubs.

Yes. It's like everyone's so close to you. Even though it's like 1,100 people, 1,200 people, whatever it is, they're stacked up so close to you. It's like 500 on the bottom. And then, yeah. You know what's like that in the fight world is the palms. Yes. Where when I fought Roy, I was like, God, get off of me, man.

Get out of here. I didn't like it. The Palms was great. Yeah, Palms was great. They're not doing it anymore, right? No. I think, doesn't Lorenzo own the Palms now?

Didn't they buy the Palms? Yeah, they did, yeah. Hashtag ballin'. Takin' over. Yeah, because the 27 casinos just isn't enough. Like, nah, let's keep it goin'. Yeah.

They own all those station casinos. Those fuckers are everywhere. You ever stay at that one? No stayed at they made me stay at that palestation casino when i was getting before i went on the ultimate fighter the worst hotel i've ever stayed in my life really the worst the worst hands down i've never stayed in worst hotel now at the time it's under construction it was off the strip and of course there was a hooker being smacked around the other room. I've told this story. When I thought I was going to be a Captain Saboho and the guy pulled out a gun and I ran in my underwear and almost got kicked off the Ultimate Fighter. I've told this story on here, I think.

But that was Palace Station Casino. The guy pulled a gun on you? Well, it was the night before the Ultimate Fighter, right? Sorry if you've already heard this. It was the night before the Ultimate Fighter and they put all the fighters in there and they tell you, the production staff goes, do not leave this room. If you leave this room,

you will be kicked off the show before it even begins. You're not allowed to leave this room. We're taking your phone, everything. All you have is what you bring in the house. Do not leave this room. We'll bring you food. Any food you want, call down. So I called, had myself a nice Caesar salad

because I was worried about my figure on the Ultimate Fighter the next day. And I finally fall asleep. And I hear this arguing next door. And the walls are paper thin. It's Palace Station, for God's sakes. And I hear this guy and this girl arguing. It's waking me up.

I'm like, what the fuck? And then she's just going off. And I hear him slap the piss out of her. Boom, like hard. And then I hear her keep going. I hear him hit her again. I'm like, all right, man. So I'm like, fuck this.

So I get up in my underoos to stop this because I just thought it was a regular dude hitting a girl. I'm not cool with that, man. I get up in salt dark, get on my underwear. I hear another dude go, nah, man, nah, man, fuck this bitch. I'm going to shoot her. And I hear a gun clock and all. Definitely not going in there now. Fuck that noise.

And I'm like, God, it's so quiet. I'm like, I don't want them to hear me. So I'm army crawling in my undies to the door because I'm afraid fucking gunfire is going to go off. I get to my door and I hear him go, hold up, dog. Hold up. Someone's next door. I'm like, oh, shit. So you'll see that I'm sure there's video of this pal station,

me just booking down the hallway. And I run to the casino and the staff was like gambling, something they see me go running by. I went to go get security. In your underwear? In my underwear. And I went to go get security. But all the production staff saw me.

They're like, what the fuck is Shab doing? So I told them, I'm like, hey, some girl's about to get shot next door i don't know what's going on but she was hit before there's two dudes in there and there's a lady in my room 213. i'm like all right so they go show us so i go up there i'm all it's there it's there and then they just i they go go to your room but i'm in my room like look and see what's going on and like a whole crew of them go in fucking the girl starts defending the dude attacks security they have to tase the dude the other guy who's gonna shoot her they put in handcuffs and two large you know black dudes and

i'm like i'm like fuck this so they bring me down the hallway because just in case it was going on they bring me down the hallway but i'm like this with the crew, and I hear the guy go, I see you, white boy, you fucking snitch. We'll be back. I'm all, ah! And I was like, can I get another room? They're like, no, there's no more rooms. I'm like, well, they know where I'm staying, man. I'm supposed to start a show tomorrow.

Like, this is, I mean, what do you want us to do? I'm like, anything else. And I had to stay there, and I got zero, zero winks of sleep. Literally zero. Zero, man. I was so scared. And the next morning when they knocked, I was like, yes, yes, I'm here. I'm here. Put me in the ultimate fighter house. Yeah, that guy got out of jail

like quick, I guarantee you. Oh, for flapping a... She was a prostitute. I did not know that. But still, it was a pimp and a prostitute and then some John is in there. She's a woman, Brandon. She's a woman. She's my equal. She's your equal?

She's my equal. I like how you think. You think you're a feminist? Ah, man. That's where I get in trouble, sir. You didn't say that. It's tough, man. It's tough. Even as a joke.

That's just showing your belly. I know, man. This whole Me Too movement, and it's, I don't know. It's a tricky situation. It is. You think it's going to bounce back? I think the game's changed forever. I do.

I think if you're a creep, you can get sought out and found out. However, I think men in power, in position, and if there's an attractive young lady in the office or the studio, this is always going to be the dynamic. I think so. I think there's some attractive young ladies out there who are like, this is always going to be the dynamic. I think so. Because I think there's some attractive young ladies out there who are like, I don't have a problem with it. Yeah, okay. Yeah, he's an attractive dude, just happens to have some power and get me in movies or whatever, but I actually like him.

I'm not being forced to do this. Well, there's a new option now. It's almost like a new element is in the game. If you're playing a game and then all of a sudden someone found like a new magic power. You can end careers now. If you are like a woman who was sexually abused by a guy like Harvey Weinstein, you just have to take it. Now you have a new power. Which is all I'm all about.

However, some will take advantage of that power and pull that card when it's not real. And dudes are losing their jobs. It's like, whoa. Yeah. There's people that are crazy like look that video that we were watching before the podcast today of that lady who shot up youtube we're watching her her online videos one of the worst youtube videos i've ever seen she's fucking nuts and there's going to be people like that and there's going to be people like that that take advantage of the me too movement it's just it's just going to be i mean there's no way you can deny that it's just part me too movement it's just it's just going to be i mean there's

no way you can deny that it's just a part of human nature that's with anything though right yeah but ultimately ultimately where it's going to shift is people have to be nicer to each other and they can't get away with shit like that and that's what weinstein was doing was nothing but crime it's just crime he's a bad dude he's a bad dude. He's a bad dude. And I'm glad that happened. Yeah. I really am. I'm glad he got sought out and he's screwed and he should be screwed. Can you imagine being a chick and you have to suck that fat guy's dick in order to get in a movie?

Hey, Harvey, is there any way you could just look a little more attractive? No. Do you have to be so hideous? There's nothing he could do at this point. They would have to cut chunks of his face and pull it back together. Here's the money. He's got this blah, blah, blah. What about the diet?

Blah, blah, blah. It's the diet? Blah, blah, blah. It's part of the whole thing, right? It's like he's a glutton. Would girls complain if he looked like Brad Pitt, though? Tony Hinchcliffe has a bit. Oh, does he? I don't want to tell you the bit. My bad.

I haven't heard it, by the way. I wasn't trying to screw up Tony's bit. He doesn't use that as an example, but it's a great bit. You have to see it. I don't want to even paraphrase it. Did I give it away? No, no, no. You didn't.

It's a great bit. It actually involves Louis C.K. It's a great bit. I love it. It's really fucking funny. Tony's brilliant I don't want to tell you where it goes cuz it goes even crazier off. I'll see it. You gotta see it Are you gonna see him tonight? Yeah, he's at the store. I'm at the store. He murdered. I took him on the road with me this past week He's a killer and murder and he murdered him in Nashville past week he's a killer and murder and he murdered him in nashville murdered murdered him in charlotte a lot of a lot of rednecks heckling really tony had to go to war good luck heckling tony i mean he's a writer for the roast for god's sakes he's so witty i fucked up one time and had let my shield down and told him i almost started crying in comedy, and I just feel his neck get stiff and goes, and right away I'm like, oh no, here he comes.

And he was like, you almost cried in Comedy Central, and just roasted me for basically the rest of the show. Why did you almost cry in Comedy Central? Just because it's full circle for a guy like me to be on Comedy Central doing stand-up. It was just a special night for me, and during the story that I tell, I talk about how I realized I was never going to become UFC champ, but being on comedy central and uh judd apatow is one of the books i've read when i was super you know getting started in comedy and that day i had judd apatow on my show that night i did comedy central i don't know it just hit me in that moment was on stage at

a strip club where they shoot it and i don't know i got emotional i was like do you need to get your shit together man you gotta get your shit together you man. You gotta get your shit together. You're happy. I was happy and I was emotional, man. And then I said that on the podcast. And I just feel Hinchcliffe's neck go, what? And I was like, oh, fuck. He's like, this isn't Comedy Central in 2010. And just went nuts, man.

Well, Hinchcliffe's always had a thing with Comedy Central for whatever reason. Yeah, for whatever reason. He's got a burr in his side about them. They didn't appreciate him. He's a very underrated guy, man. Right now, he's still, to this day, he's underrated. I agree. And I think with your show, he was close. I think he's a monster on our show.

The most underrated guy who should be selling out theaters is Theo Vaughn. Well, we were talking about that before. Theo's got a... He hit a stride within the last year. He hit a stride where he just sometimes you'll see dudes they're doing really well and then for whatever reason they figure something out

and they take it to the next level. And that's where Theo is right now. He's just... And he's a unique guy. Like, his comedy is so unique. Like, it wouldn't work with anybody else. You won't see it anywhere else. No.

That's what I was telling my, sometimes I'll watch other comedians and I'll go, oh, I can see how they came up with that idea. Right. When I watch Theo, I'm like, what the fuck? What the fuck? Where are you smoking? Yeah, where are you coming up with that? Where were you raised?

How's that your view of the world? Were you raised by a fucking pack of crocodiles in new orleans did you come up with this yeah he's but even just hanging around with him like off stage he's just a weird dude oh bro he pulled up so funny he pulled up this dude yesterday he just got a new car i don't i won't say the car nice car we'd like it and uh he i go dude you're killing it man that's your car he goes yeah and he has some homosexual bumped into the back and be there why is he a homosexual he's like because he was i'm like all right it just happened yeah yeah he's like just happened to be he's just so hilarious man yeah there's a lot of good guys right now i was talking about uh watching that gary shandling stuff and doing all this that's judd's documentary that's judd apto's documentary it's brilliant on

his process and stuff like that i got emotional on that as well i don't know if you guys know obviously i'm a complete bitch uh but gary shandler talks about how his goal through going through everything was to get on the tonight show and then he does it and he walks backstage and kills it right but that was his goal and he starts crying he falls into bob saget's arm starts crying right because that was his goal but he's talking about the comedy store and like he's talking about all the big names there and i was thinking god that must have been cool to be involved in that back then around all those big names i was talking to brian brian goes man right now the comedy store some would argue it's better and when you think about i'm like god it is when you think about all the fucking just legends man you burr you got mary got delete i mean just it keeps the list

goes on and on and on i'm like oh my god it's bad man it's a crazy time i mean it's it's certainly the best time at the store in terms of like the amount of time that i've been there and i started going there in 94 it's a long time it's a long ass time so in 24 years that i've been going there it's better now than ever before but when you think about it i mean obviously there's the cellar in new york but as far as like and i get you go there on a tuesday night go on wednesday night i mean it's freaking yeah they're very similar they're very similar in a way um but and they're also very similar in that they become big tourist traps too like comedy store people take vacations for comedy they do comedy vacations and they fly

from australia getting a lot of people from australia yeah but because you know if you show up uh you're gonna see bill burr rogan mark rearing and delete in the same night almost every week one of us is there someone's there at. At least. Unless someone's on tour, someone's off. Yeah. And a lot of times you are on tour. But shit, on any given Tuesday, Dave Chappelle might stop in. Correct. And then Chris Rock. Chris Rock.

Maybe Louie will make his comeback there. I hope he does. I'm a Louie fan. People like whatever. Come on. Come on. You like people watching you beat off. There's worse shit. Come on. Come on. Come on. You like people watching you beat off. I mean.

It's worse shit. Come on. Yeah. Just need someone to come up. Someone has to do something much more horrible. You know, Callan's shooting his special, I think, in July now. He is? For who?

I forget who's shooting it, but definitely not his buddy who works for ESPN this time. So they're doing it right. He's doing it right this time, but they're going to go out there and try and sell it. But he's ready to go. I just hope it works out for Callen as far as Netflix or Showtime or somewhere. You've got to land somewhere. So is he going to sell it and then bring it somewhere? Is that the move?

I think so. I don't want to misquote Brian, but I'm almost positive. But he has someone who I think he shot Segura's and a bunch of other guys stuff like it's it's only knows what the hell they're doing where's he gonna do it I think Chicago ooh in July yeah that's a good spot I'm there for the UFC in June I'm doing the Chicago theater June 7th or some shit I love Chicago whoo what theater that sounds like a chicago theater chicago yeah yeah it's great it's beautiful beautiful old place too yeah chicago's awesome man doesn't get enough love it's a weird place right does it not get enough love i feel like

everyone fucking loves chicago their pizza people won't shut up it's not really pizza it's casserole it's a casserole correct yeah it's like stople. Correct. Yeah. Correct. Stop calling that a pizza. That's not a pizza. If it's a large, thick square, that would be a casserole where I come from. If you have a hamburger and you roll it up in a tortilla, is that still a hamburger? No. That's a tortilla. It's a wrap. That's a burrito, bitches.

It's got an In-N-Out protein style then when it's in lettuce. Oh, that's lettuce. We call that a lettuce taco. That's a wrap though in the Chinese food place. Correct. Lettuce wrap. Chicken wrap. Chicken lettuce wrap.

But it's not wrapped. See, the difference is the way you make it. It's rolled up. Look, you could take a piece of pizza and flatten it out and fold it over, over and over again, and then it'll become folded pizza. But if it starts out folded, what are you selling me? It's a calzone. Yeah, you're selling me a goddamn calzone.

And I love a calzone. I'm a fan. I'm a fan of calzones as well. Have you had a good thick piece of pizza from Basic Casserole from Chicago, though? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Best you've ever had, though? It's very good.

The best you've ever had? Where's the place we go to? Giordano's. What is it called? Giordano's, that one? Might have been. You know who makes a nice square piece is King's in New York. Have you ever heard of the artichoke pizza in New York? Artich ever heard of ah fuck the artichoke pizza

in New York? Artichoke pizza? It's called artichoke pizza. Do you have to have ripped pants to get in there? No sir. No sir. People kept telling me

to go there. When I was in New York working for Showtime I tried one slice you know Postmates. Postmates is what makes me fat now because

Postmates? Postmates. Oh is that the you get food delivered to your house? They just pick it up and drops it off to your hotel room. So I get done after a long day of pr i'm like pizza would be great so i get two

slices i'm like next night i'm like fuck that was delicious next you know i've got a fucking love handles and a triple chin isn't it weird how like when you're tired you want carbs you want sugar and carbs i wonder why i think it's like My willpower is weak Yeah I want Like I never fuck With egg McMuffins Or McGriddles My mouth's watering

But if I'm at the airport And I'm on a fucking 7am flight You and I ate one together Yeah You and I ate one together I never eat that shit You and I ate it together

It was so good For the brief moment It was in my mouth Dude you know I was thinking I'm like Fuck I'd love a McGriddle But I don't want to be judged right now. I'm going to wait to see if he goes to that fucking weird bright place on the breakfast spot on the right,

or is he going to go to McDonald's? When he started leaning over there, I went, I want to be mad at Egg McMuffin. And you just looked at him and went, yeah, fuck this. Let's do this. Yes! That's why I ate before I saw you guys. I thought you would skip it. Oh, that's funny.

You don't want to be the guy who pulls the trigger. You don't want to be judged, man. Yeah, most of the time I'm going to not pull the trigger. But I feel like that's part of the thing. It's like pulling that trigger every now and then for the fuck of it. Have some fun. Get chicken and waffles. Go to Roscoe's.

Yeah. Go to Roscoe's and slather that motherfucker with maple syrup and butter. You just can't do it every day. Can't do it every day. But you can do it one day a week. I agree. The Rock, his Instagram, the pictures of him eating stacks of pancakes. His cheat meal?

Stacks of pancakes. Definitely a photo shoot. Yeah, I hear you. You ain't eating all that, son. You think so? No, that's definitely so. But he's a giant. You don't think he eats all that shit?

Yeah, he's not a giant. I mean, he's on different supplements than I am. We're very similar size. Different supplements. Different supplements, sir. Different supplements. Supplement-ays. Do you think they come from south of the border? I'm sure he's eating the same tacos. He's eating the same tacos.

Yeah, yeah, yeah! Yeah. Did you see he came out and said he has depression? Yeah. I think it's a football thing man I think And then also pro wrestling All that slamming All that getting slammed around

This is my take on this I think I mean you I'm sure you dealt with depression Right You have bummer days Jamie you have bummer days Right

Shit happens I think there's a difference Between having a depression Period in your life Or events in your life and then you know you're normally a happy dude and there's people with severe depression who have to be medicated there's a scale yeah and he's not on that scale no he's not on that scale it makes news because he goes hey i've been sad too before we're like yes rocket sad too right different sad

we're not talking ari shafir depressed here you know i'm saying right he was talking about his mom was ari shafir depressed though much more so what I'm saying? Right. He was talking about his mom was Ari Shaffir depressed though. Much more so. His mom walked into traffic. And I'm not throwing shade at Ari. We've talked about Ari having depression before and he takes medication. That's why I said that.

Well, he doesn't anymore. He's off medication? Yeah. His life got better. He's hilarious. He magically became- Oh, weird. Yeah, he's a phenomenal comic

and successful and he's not depressed anymore? No, he's not depressed anymore. Weird. Also, he got off Propecia. Callan calls bullshitting. Callan's taking Propecia like they're Skittles and he's the happiest man I know. Yeah, but it's not depressed anymore. Weird. Also, he got off Propecia. Callan calls bullshit on it. Callan's taking Propecia like they're Skittles, and he's the happiest man I know. Yeah, but it's not necessarily universal.

Some people can take penicillin, and they don't have a problem. Other people are allergic to it. Yeah, but I think it's a rare case where you take Propecia and get depressed. All things are rare. If you look at the studies, and this comes from Callan. This is bro signs Well Callan just wants that hair He wants to keep that hair so bad

He'll do anything You know I think you should wear a wig Oh good fat one Yes A red one Yes Just go crazy

So I can yank it off and shit I want to wear a wig so bad Like one of those Those mesh net ones Just like the LeBron Sprayed on Almost looks like A Pittsburgh Steeler helmet. Is LeBron still doing that?

Yeah, kind of. Yeah, definitely. You just got to let it go. Question on this, though. Wouldn't you take Propecia because you're a little depressed, because your hair is falling out? And if it didn't work, you're going to stay a little depressed. It also fucks with your dick game.

Yeah, maybe. But I think what they're saying is like suicidal depression, that there's something about the DHT inhibitor. Dihydrotestosterone, which is a derivative of testosterone, is what causes you to have your hair fall out. The DHT inhibiting factors in Propecia with some people. It adds to it. It's a low percentage so i'm pretty sure

might be the study this comes from which i just i would google it this might have been more than one study was in 2012 and it was only 61 men oh they only did 61 men and how many got depressed said uh 61 men who formerly used propitia who experienced more than three months of sexual side effects and had no history of depression, sexual problems of any sort. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, dude, if I'm losing my hair and my dick won't get up, I'm gonna be depressed too.

Yeah. There's a lot of factors. And then also you gotta figure like, what's happening in your love life if you're depressed and your dick doesn't work? Correct. You can get more depressed. But also, are you at a nine to five job you hate

and you can't pay the bills and then you have family drama? 11% of those, I guess 11% of the 61, which would be, what, six of them, five or six, had mild symptoms of depression, 28 had moderate, and 36 had severe. Whoa! Go ahead, Liz. 36 had severe? I mean, so that's also then when you're asking them.

So it's like, what was the study? But hold on a second. Did you say 61 people, 36% had severe depression? Right. They also found that 44% of the men had experienced thoughts of suicide. Hold on. What? Hold on.

Jesus Christ. 44%? Right. But that's what I'm also going in. Like, what were they? Did they just ask them, like, have you ever thought of it? Because, like, did they call? Well, if it's a scientific study, I'm sure there's some sort of protocol they have to

follow. Let me understand this, though. 66 people were randomly out of a random. How many people took it? Right. It says the Journal of Clinical Psychiatry, psychiatry. I'm sorry. Study included 61 men.

That's what it's. So what is that? Like 28 dudes wanted to kill themselves. That's fucking crazy. Yeah, probably lay off that Propecia. Fuck that. I just go bald, man.

Dude, Ari said it was like almost instant and he never put the two of them together. Never put the two of them together. Depression with the... With the suicidal thoughts.

Like all of it came like right when he got... Like, you know, he had had some issues in the past with being depressed after breakups normal shit like everybody has been there but it wasn't that's not the case i never want to kill myself he didn't he didn't or he's kind of a stoic dude he's very proud and he doesn't

talk a lot about stuff and so it took like me and him hanging out where he like wasn't talking and i was like okay what's the matter? And he's like, dude, it's just hard. It's hard to just not kill myself. He said that to you. And I went,

what? Yeah. So we were playing pool at my house and I was like, what? I go, what's going on? And so he starts telling me, um,

they put them on medication and the medication didn't work. And then they put them on another medication and then that didn't work. And you know, he's with SAG. He had SAG after insurance, not the best insurance. And he's like, I don't know what to do.

Um, and I'm like, okay, this is one of my best friends and he's reaching out. I'm like, yeah, he's saying something for a reason. And I don't have any experience with that.

I mean, I've had some bummer moments in my life, but I would never say that I was depressed. I'm pretty happy person. You've been depressed, though. Yes. I've had bad moments. Yes.

But I've never gone through depression. I've never been down for like six months. No, I've never couldn't get out of bed or thought about suicide. No, there's a scale of that shit. I thought about dying, but. He was on the dark end of the scale. Dang, that's heavy. Where he was thinking about killing himself and trying to not do it.

So I just started making some phone calls. And I found my business manager found the best psychiatrist. Like you said, this guy is a wizard. He's dealt with a bunch of my clients before. He's helped out a lot. It was very expensive. So I just paid for it. Not to save a life, though. I just i just told paul no i mean i don't think about it that way i mean for ari he couldn't afford it oh so ari's like yeah i'm sure a great option i can't afford this yeah you know he was

getting by um winning poker tournaments and getting the occasional commercial how long ago is this quite a few years ago i want to say like 2000 i don't know it was quite a few years ago 2004 some shit like that i don't know i don't remember when it was sure but it was far enough back where ari was really struggling as a comedian i mean he's he's talked about this publicly otherwise i wouldn't talk no that's why that's why i brought it up he's talked about it publicly i'm not not airing Ari's dirty laundry out there. I love Ari. I mean, I don't know what caused it.

If it was that... I can't stop coughing today. My kids are sick as fuck. That's how it goes, man. My youngest one. Yeah, and then everyone gets it. Yeah. He just...

His career wasn't going well because he was just getting the ball rolling, really. But I really think it was the Propecia. Don't you think it was the perfect storm? Propecia, career, who knows what's going on with this girl. And then it's just this fucking perfect storm. Then the Propecia is making you even more depressed. Then you're like, dude, I'm thinking about killing myself. What the fuck is going on right now?

Some dark stuff. So he pulled out of it got off the propitia um and then his career took the fuck off right he got on good medication whatever the medication his new psychiatrist got him on worked like a charm and like he was better in like a couple months a couple months he was like back to ari fucking around laughing then oddly enough when it started working really well for him then his career started taking off right of course that's how it works yeah um a stand-up started taking off his career started taking off he became happier got off the propitia and then weaned himself off the drugs and now he's good now he's good yeah

now he's great to see. But he smokes a lot of weed. And I always wonder how much of that is self-medicating. Yep. But it's okay. But you smoke a ton of weed. It's not self-medicating

though, right? No, I like it. You just like doing it. Yeah, you're not a dark guy. It makes you vulnerable. It makes you think about shit. It makes you nervous. It makes you like,

it makes you, you don't just take things for granted when you get high. You start thinking about things. My problem is I smoked the other night because I couldn't sleep, and I was thinking about a lot of things. And then I got this thought in my head, this is some weird shit, man. I was talking, I think I was telling Calum this.

I hate when I think like this. But I was in San Jose, and I saw this mom with two homeless kids. I was at the store, and I was going to buy an expensive sweater and i felt so guilty so i went and got cash and gave this mom a bunch of cash and uh she started crying i'm like fuck man and there's like this weird guy around the kids and the kid was about my my son's age about two sitting there this little girl and i thought i thought i don't know why i had this random thought what if he grabbed her by the legs and spiked her on the ground i don't know why i know i know and then i didn't and i gave her the cash

felt better because there's more people around like no one's gonna let that happen a kid and so that whole night fucked up about it and then someone reached out to me like dude that's her side hustle she does that all the time she's actually not we've seen her like raise those kids on the street she gets picked up by her husband it's a side hustle. She does that all the time. She's actually not. We've seen her raise those kids on the street. She gets picked up by her husband. It's a shitty deal. So I'm like, all right, that's fine. But I smoked weed, right? And I'm laying in bed.

And then I had this visual of someone doing that to my son. I couldn't sleep. I felt sick to my stomach. It's weird. Like, sometimes weed, if I think about a bit, I think about something, I'll go down this cool road. But then if that creeps in there, and then it's like it kept coming it was so visual and i was like sick to my stomach man i mean it's my son woke up at five and i be lying to his room and just like squeeze the for the rest of the morning it's hard man nobody um knows how much you love

a person how much you can love a person until you have a kid correct one says that everyone says that you know and I'm like okay okay everyone I know you told me that Brian to everyone told me this but then once you have a kid it's like I don't know man it's just a different animal where now like I when I see the shootings when I see you know the the nuclear war talk with North Korea and Russia I think God and I see that that's talk with North Korea and Russia, I think, God. And I see that's a lot of negativity on social media and stuff like that. I'm like, the world is such a kind of a fucked up place if you want to look into that stuff.

And when I have a kid, I think about him. I'm like, God, man. What's it going to be like when he's like 16 or 18? What kind of world is it going to be when he's 18? If I think too hard about it, that's when I'll get depressed. Well, I think the world's going to be okay. I mean, horrible. For sure.

I don't mean to bring this podcast down to a bummer. No, no. But horrible things are going to happen no matter what. Correct. But, you know, it changes who you are when you have a kid. It really does. Or you're a piece of shit.

Yeah, or you're a sociopath and you suck. It's just, if you're around the kid enough, it changes who you are. And if you're not around the kid, it changes who you are because then you realize you're not around the kid. And that's going to take a piece out of who you think you are. But you know what? And we have friends who aren't great dads or whatever, and you can see it in their kids.

And I'm not saying I'm a psychologist or I'm some expert in parenting. But if I go to a person's house and I see the way the kids treat the parents, I go, you're not around enough, man. I can, I promise you, I can tell my son doesn't act like that. Yeah. Cause one thing I, you can call me whatever you want, whatever you want. One thing I am is a beast of a dad. I know that. I don't know if I'm good comic. I don't know if I was a good fighter. I don't know if I'm good podcaster. That's all up for debate. One thing I know is I'm a fucking good dad, man. Good for you, man. That's a very, very, very, very important quality. And that quality, when your kid becomes an adult, that's going to be just a major factor in how you get along.

Yeah. I mean, even parents, I know friends that had bad relationships with their parents when they lived with them. And then once they got out, their parents were nice to them. But their parents were shitty to them when they were kids. And they always hold it against them. Always. They always have that shit in the back of their to them but the parents were shitty to them when they were kids and they always hold it against always they always have that shit in the back of their head like why were you a dick when I was 12 you know that that shit is always in their head

it's like that avatar horse when you're young you mix together and if you don't make together when you're young it yeah and I was talking to someone a therapist they were saying I think it's from like till they're three if you don't make that connection when doing like oh when they're for like I'll do I think it's from like to the three. If you don't make that connection when, when you're like, Oh, when they're four, like, Oh, I'll do it now. It's almost too late. Cause they already developed these, these, these brain pathways were like, Nope, my dad's an ass.

Yeah. And there's really nothing you can do to fix it. Yeah. Man. I went to the movies yesterday with my kid. My movie. We went to see the Gnomeo and Juliet. Oh, dope.

Yeah. What is it? A Sherlock Gnomes. Yeah it? Sherlock Gnomes. Yeah, the Sherlock Gnomes. Yeah, cute little movie. But we went to that Cineopolis place where you lean back, you know those things? Yeah. The seats lean back.

Good food. And you take the seat rest down, and my seven-year-old just snuggles with me. The best. We're snuggling, watching a movie. I'm like, I couldn't be happier. I don't want to see this stupid fucking movie. No, but I don't care. But she wants to, so I couldn't be happier. I don't want to see this stupid fucking movie. No, but I don't care.

But she wants to. So I couldn't be happier. I sat there and watched this silly, no shit movie. She's just a little snuggle bunny. I've watched Boss Baby nine times. Boss Baby's not a bad movie. In like a week, though. That's a pretty funny movie, though.

Boss Baby's great. Al Faldon's The Voice. I've watched like nine times. But my son, whenever I watch it, he snuggles up on me. When usually, this is why I want a daughter. This is why I'm jealous you have daughters because daughters love their dads my son. I'm like you little traitor Mommy mommy, dude. It's me every morning. You're crying for your mom girls are like that too in a lot of ways It's just times you got to accept the fact that the mom is not just the soft sweet Except the fact that the mom is not just the soft, sweet woman in the house, but she's also the person who made them in her body.

Yeah, and there's chemical connection. Out of her body, man. I had a deal with my wife. I'm not naming any kids. I go, I got veto power. I go, but you do way more work. It's way harder to make the person. I go, as long as you try to call the kid applesauce or something fucking stupid.

Yeah. You know, I just don't feel like it's, it's not an even proposition. All I did is fuck her. Yeah. What you're going to do anyways, which I can do anyways,

but now we have to deal with this seed. You know, you got a bonus, you get a bonus overtime for you. It is kind of crazy though, that sex is how you make people. I know. And everybody just wants to fuck all the time and you want to fuck

a bunch of people. But a lot of people don't want kids. No, hell no. You know who opened my eyes like in a big way in a podcast recently that's really been making me think a lot about this is Brett Weinstein. He's the professor that got in that. Do you know who he is? Yes. Controversy with Evergreen University. The pronouns and all that got in that. Do you know who he is?

Yes. Controversy with Evergreen University. The pronouns and all that. And they were taking that day. No, that's. Yeah. It wasn't a pronoun thing. It was the day of absence. Yes.

They wanted all the white people to stay home. He's like, that's racist. Ridiculous. Yeah. Anyway, he was on. He said there's two different things that men are attracted to. They're attracted to a woman that they think would be a great companion and a great mother

and like someone who, he said there's a difference between hot and beautiful. Correct. Like some women are beautiful and like they're loving. You want to be around them. He goes,

but then there's other women who are just hot. And in males, that very receptive woman who doesn't require any commitment was an opportunity for men to spread their seed with someone who they didn't have to be around for. Wow. Yeah. So there's literally like a programming in a man's mind.

So you see a girl with big giant tits and a little waist and a fat ass hanging out of her shorts and she's got sloppy makeup on and she looks at you and you're like, okay's do this but that's what that is it's not like you don't want to live with her right you let you're not saying i would like to start a relationship with you it's like no i want to shoot my load into you and then you raise my kid when i'm nowhere near you yeah because it's an opportunity for my dna to propagate wow wow that makes so much sense makes so much sense i literally never considered it until he brought it up on the podcast i went oh duh me neither i just thought she's hot whatever she's just hot yeah dirty in a dirty way why she's attracted to that yeah why she's so dirty i told my girl joe i told my girl joe probably four weeks into five weeks we're getting serious and she got this job offer to go to miami and she's talking about career and stuff like that and i went no that's all cool that's all

and no one's career first more than me. However, you know, you're put on the search to be a mom, right? Like you're going to be such a beast of a mom. I guarantee you, cause I saw her interact with Callan's kids. I can guarantee you, you might be the greatest host in the world, but you're going to be the best mom I've ever seen. And then she's like, really? I'm like, I guarantee you.

Fucking bam, bam. Yeah. Well, that's just those qualities that you can see it's something. mom i've ever seen and then she's like really i'm like i guarantee you fucking bam bam yeah well that's just those qualities that you can see it's something and when someone's not when someone's a bad mom it's such a depressing thing man nothing worse it's so depressing to be around a woman is like really short with her kids and shitty with them and like oh or even as a kid if i had friends who like talk back to their parents or mean to their parents like oh god what's wrong with you if i was dating a girl she'd like bad mouth, God, what's wrong with you? If I was dating a girl, she'd like bad mouth her mom. Like, what's wrong with you, girl?

You know, the hard thing is that pattern is hard to break. It's hard to break. Those kids may very well have that same kind of behavior towards their kids. Like when they become adults, it's a hard pattern to break. Sometimes you need the right person in your life. Like a good person in your life that you you know a wife or husband or whoever it is you know when you you match up with that person like it changes who you are too that's what i always say that one of the most important things about um community like your

community of friends yeah is that when you have good friends those people change you like you react like everyone is your tribe you react like everyone is your tribe. You react like everyone's your friends. So you want good for them. You love them. You care about them. They change who you are. They change if they inspire you or whether they inspire you with being smart or their kindness or their ambition, whatever it is.

We're not individuals. We're a piece of a community always. But we're not individuals. We're a piece of a community, always. And that community, even if it's a small community that you call family, that piece is dependent upon who you do that piece with. You might be an amazing dad with the right woman, but with the wrong woman, you might be so frustrated with the relationship that you're not as good a dad as you are right now.

There might be chaos going on all the time. There might be situations you put the kid in where you're yelling as good at that as you are right now. There might be chaos going on all the time. There might be situations you put the kid in where you're yelling and screaming at each other that the kid shouldn't see. All these different factors that are dependent upon your relationship with this other person. And they change you, and you change them. Like, you might be the wrong person for them.

They might be super cool and calm with someone else. But with you, they just... It's just not a mix. It doesn't... You hit buttons for whatever reason. It's like a woman saying to you, you don't want an equal. Like, well, I don't want this. I don't want this argument.

I know I don't want this. You might be right, but I know for sure I don't want this. Oh, you're threatened. You're threatened by a strong woman. No. I'm threatened by you. You're just, you're aggressive for no reason. Who the fuck has ever said that?

You're threatened by a strong man. You're threatened by a strong man. Like, what? Like, what? Shut up, pussy. Change the tables. I know. What are you calling yourself? A strong man? Get the fuck out of here. Any guy who calls himself a strong man- by a strong man like what like what shut up pussy what are you calling yourself a strong man get the fuck out of here any guy who calls himself a strong man like that

strong most likely he's a bitch yeah most likely he's just trying to prop himself up and i feel the same way about women who say that shit agree women who are like you know you're scared of a strong woman like okay am i really or are you a cunt yep are you a cunt just a raging cunt this this cunt talk this sounds like this cunt talk sounds your cunt? Yep. Are you a cunt? Just a raging cunt. Is this cunt talk? This sounds like- Is this cunt talk? Is your cunt talk around again? This sounds super uncomfortable. I don't know what got us to this position, but whatever I did, please, I'll apologize.

But I also feel like in this community of friends that we're talking about, if you were a shit father, it would show elsewhere in your life, like around us, or if we're at the comedy store, or at a or restaurant or in your social media. It's going to come out one way or another. And it would be tough to be in that group. You know that expression, how you do one thing is how you do everything? Yes. Yeah.

Yeah. I think there's something to that. I mean, obviously, there's people that are really good at one thing and suck at other things. So it's not always 100% correct. But if you're a shitty dad, you're be a shitty friend i agree and if you're a shitty friend you're probably gonna be a shitty dad and i say this too with like with dudes who are shitty dads it's like right if you're willing to do that to your literally you're connected to this person chemically they're made of your dna if you're willing to treat him like that when the going

gets rough for me where the fuck are you gonna be right there's no way i want you my foxhole yeah yeah that's big man it's then people that don't they don't understand that they don't understand what they're doing wrong like that's rough too it's a bummer the people that can't see it and you try to explain it to them and they can't see it the one thing people won't put up with though is and i would never do this but if you give someone parenting advice, it just doesn't. There's certain things you can't talk about usually. Politics, religion, and parenting. The only way I think parenting advice works ever is if you talk about one great thing that you found that you do with your kid without criticizing that other person.

Yes. You could give them advice, but not give them advice, but you could relay your personal positive experiences, and either they take it or they don't. But as soon as you start saying, hey, man, I see how you talk to your son, and you're like, what? What the fuck did you say? I know. People get super offensive.

Yeah, man, just your son is an individual, man. You treat him like he's an object. I don't fucking treat my son like- It's on. Game over. He's not even listening to i don't fucking treat my son like all it's on game over he's not even listening what you said no you're all right dude i had a my son was one and a half at the time and i was taking him to this this play area and he you know he didn't express himself and everyone was older and he'd hit kids and he's a big kid he's a 99 percentile for size and all that stuff and he would hit kids and the the place where i was taking them

in brentwood knew i was a former fighter one of the guys who works front desk is a fan i've talked mma with them and they took me the side and said you know we got a bit of a problem because tiger is uh hitting kids and we think it's in direct correlation of you let him watch fights and from what you did, I just started laughing. You guys are silly as fuck. I'm a, I'm never bringing him back.

B he's one and a half. Everyone else in there's three. I mean, yeah, he cold cocked that kid with a left hook and I'm proud of him. He brought him. I could took his toy. However,

it's just, this is what kids do. They hit man. It's nothing. And we, and I tell him, no, I'm staying on top of my helicopter. The parent, the fuck at him when he's in there.

But he's one and a half. The rest of the kids are older. And trust me, he's not watching UFC. It has nothing to do with it. They think somehow or another. Took me to the side. This lady was like that U of FC-er, whatever you're getting into. I was like, oh, my God.

This is some Brentwood shit, lady. There's a lot of that Brentwood shit. There's some Brentwood shit right now. All right. Yeah. Let me eat dirt. If they hit each other, they hit each other.

We're concerned that you're constantly reaffirming his gender without him choosing. We're concerned. Some, I was reading something about some lady who had a three year old trans kid. I'm like, Oh my God. How about you? Sure.

Are you positive? It's not just a kid. You're three. Oh, you mean how he's into cars this week positive? Are you sure it's not just a kid? You're three. Oh, you mean how he's into cars this week and next week? You mean trolls? You want to chop his dick off? Well, they were like, this article was like really super positive about it. Oh, my God. Stop.

How they're bringing the kid to therapy and shit and aiding his transition. Like, he's fucking three. I just read this like two days ago. I was like, this is so nuts. There's so much of this going on right now. Yeah yeah and i want to be a transformer when i was three you don't see my dad putting fucking mechanical arms on me imagine if i was three arms on me and i'm 19 like what the fuck dad why am i a robot now well when you're three you told us you want to be a robot it's the same shit it is the same shit it's crazy it's. It's insane. It's so weird. It's so weird that people are just openly jumping into this.

And it's these weirdo, super ideological progressive people that just they're locked into this idea that it's amazing to have a trans kid. And the kid shows any sign whatsoever of being inclining to be female or inclining to be male. They're pushing it. I'm like, God. I feel like it's actually bad out here Well, it's also very dangerous because they start wanting to fuck with the kids hormones Like you gotta let the the child develop There's no real science and what the fuck happens when you put hormone blockers into a three-year-old and try to transition them into a girl

But also the the real doctors, you know what the hell they're doing They're not gonna inject that kid with hormones So you say listen if you want to do this, when you're 18, 19, even then it's a little too early. Even then it's too early. When you're 21, which is, again, it's too early. And I've seen this on some of the bullshit reality TV shows I watch. But these legit doctors go, then I'm willing to help you out. But before then.

Get out of here. No, get out. Let's see where you're at when you're 16. But there's a market for it, which is a cruel thing to say and a weird way to describe it. Here's the problem, Joan. We're talking about on the spectrum. For some of those kids, they do feel like they're trapped in a woman's body. And I feel for them.

That must suck to go through high school and all that. But isn't that the exception? You know what I'm saying? Is that kid the exception that feels like that? And they should have access to it? How could you do that with a three-year-old? I know. I mean, how do you know? I mean, you just don't. it how could you do that with a three year old I know I mean how do you know

I mean you just don't and anybody says you do you're crazy people change you change when hormones get entered into your body and maybe you won't be

the most masculine man in the world and maybe you will turn into a woman someday maybe but give yourself a god damn chance

to just exist do you see the high school wrestler yes the girl just beating up and then she wins and gets boozed

like a motherfucker. She does. I know, it's not fair. She should be allowed to wrestle boys, or he should be allowed to wrestle boys. You know, but, you know,

whatever, man. It's crazy. You're taking a high school girl and you're filling her up with testosterone, with injections. What? It's nuts.

And then you're allowing her to wrestle girls that aren't on testosterone. It's fucking cheating, okay? If she was just a girl and she wasn't, like, trying to transition into a man and they found out that she was winning the state championship as a woman, or as a girl, rather, by taking steroids, they would take it away from her. They would say she's cheating.

There'd be an uproar. This is some stupid shit. But then what do you do? Not let her wrestle? Yes. Not let her wrestle. There would be an uproar. But what do you do? Not let her wrestle? Yes. Not let her wrestle. Don't let her wrestle at all.

What happens if they go, we can't wrestle with the boys, and then just can't wrestle at all? Either wrestle the boys or don't wrestle. I would say that's what he wants. He wants to wrestle the boys? She. Pronoun, son. They. It's he.

Their. Zs. Zer. Zer-zers. son they it's he they're these zero zero um yeah i i think hey if you if you're gonna choose to go that path of this yeah transition into a female then you give up your right to wrestle because we don't have a division for that that and yet we don't have enough wrestling yeah she's transitioning to he and it's just it's not fair if it was the other way it would be more fair because like if you're a man and you're

transitioning to be a woman and they make you wrestle men well you're going to be at a disadvantage because you're taking hormone blockers or you're getting castrated you're losing your testicles you're whatever whatever it is you are at a disadvantage you can get that ass piece yeah he's at a disadvantage now transitioning to i mean he's at a massive advantage right now transitioning to a man he's on steroids the kid the kid's on steroids 100 and probably a lot of them probably a lot of it because they're trying to turn them into a man correct it's all nuts i know like where was this 30 years ago was it just like a silent epidemic was everyone just undercover and like god i feel like a woman you know there was a few of those. There was like that one guy, Rene Richards, the tennis player that wound up transitioning.

He was a terrible male tennis player, transitioned to a female tennis player and started dominating. Oh, that's Juana Man. That's the plot of Juana Man, Tennis Edition. Remember that movie? No, what was Juana Man? Juana Man was a guy who couldn't, he got suspended from like the Lakers, the fake Lakers in the movie. So he's like, God, I want to play basketball. So like you could make the women's team and just wore a wig and put titties on and started dunking on bitches.

Well, that does happen today. There was a guy who was ready for this, 50 years old. He was six foot four or five, played women's college basketball because he played as a man, but now he's not a man anymore. Now this fool is a fucking woman. This fool. He's a fool. If you're a fool and you're 50 years old

and you're pretending to be a college girl, and you're like, I'm in a fantasy world. This is my fantasy. And she's a giant, and she's swatting basketballs out of people's hands. There's Joanna, man. Yeah. See if you can find the guy who played, who was 50, type in 50-year-old transsexual man,

transsexual plays women's college basketball. In America. Yeah, in America. But here's the thing. Imagine if your kid is on a team with that person, and that person takes your kids scholarship takes your kids no look at that right there 50 year old oh yeah seriously giant jacked and got a 50 year old nose on him and became a college basketball player at fucking my age get the fuck out of here. 52, excuse me. Gabriel Ludwig. 52.

Okay. Two years older than me. Goes to college. Can she ball? I think she played as a man. Look at the size difference. Now imagine your kid is competing against her. And can't get a shot off.

Can't get a shot off. And she's just Shaquille O'Neal and your daughter. And it's just bullshit. It's like if Shaquille O'Neal was playing on that other team. If Shaquille O'Neal transitioned to be a woman and decided to go back to college, this college would let her play as a woman. That's insane. Shaquille O'Neal as a woman. What college is that?

Douchebag University. I don't know. I don't want to give him any press. It just makes me sick. I mean, that's a giant man. It's nonsense. With tits. It's straight nonsenseits It's straight nonsense

It's straight nonsense This is where She a good ball player though? This is the This is where progressiveness Goes down the rabbit hole What is it? Mission College?

That's probably a juke though, huh? I don't know what it is But it gets It could suck it It can suck a Non-existent dick Well Here's the

Interesting thing She played college basketball 30 years ago as a man. That's what I said. How does she still have eligibility? Because she's a woman now. That's what I said. She can go back to being a woman. They let her transition.

And when you're transitioning, you go back. Now you're a woman. You don't have a history of playing as a woman. So now you're allowed to play again. Five more years of college eligibility? Yep. Dude, I feel like a lot more guys are going to do this. There's a few that would do it

100% Dana White was joking around about that I know a few guys if they could be a world champion They'd cut their dick off There's some guys who by all means necessary It's crazy to even suggest But so is walking into YouTube Shooting a bunch of people

And then shooting yourself in the chest That's crazy to suggest too People are out of their fucking mind That bitch was definitely out of her mind And also if you saw a YouTube video YouTube, shooting a bunch of people and then shooting yourself in the chest. That's crazy to suggest too. That's crazy. People are out of their fucking mind. That bitch was definitely out of her mind. And also, if you saw a YouTube video, no wonder you made no fucking money, lady. Those videos were terrible. Well, there's something wrong with that lady's brain.

How about her dad goes, warn the police like, hey, you guys need to check her out. She didn't do something bad to YouTube. There's some issues here. But if you're a cop and they did find her the night before at 2 a.m because she went missing they found her and they're like yeah she doesn't seem like she's gonna hurt herself or anyone else i don't know what you want us to do like we found her she said she's good she's sleeping in her car until someone does something it's so hard to do anything about it like they they um they sent that one college kid they're sending him back they They found his roommates.

We were talking about it yesterday. His roommates were talking about him. They were seriously worried about him. He had bleached his hair blonde, started stockpiling ammunition, bought an assault gun. And then the cops came to visit him. And after the cops left, he went out and bought another AR. And they're like, okay, okay, that's it. We got to do something about this. his roommates were freaking out like people were

freaking out being around the guy and they sent him back on a technicality because he wasn't going to school because he stopped going to class so what can you do student visa what the fuck can you do they deported him oh really yeah oh perfect yeah and they said we think we prevented a tragedy i love that yeah that's exactly what they should do i mean however with this lady let's say they stopped at two in the morning she's in a car right and the parent and the dad the dad who you know she came from his seed goes listen she she's gonna do something bad we think we've seen signs we've known her since she was a day old you guys should do something about it i don't think you should go out we talked or it seems all right maybe take her in for the night do What can you do, though?

She doesn't do anything. But if she doesn't do anything, and then she does. Like, people are so unpredictable. I would look at those eyebrows and toss her in jail for that. That video of her doing those squats and the jumps, the workout video. Terrible workout. Look at those eyes. Crazy. She's not there. She's from a different planet. She's like a horror movie.

But then she's mad she's not getting freaking revenue from the YouTube, and YouTube's like uh your videos suck lady we have nothing to do well see you're crazy you didn't come up in the open mic circuit so you don't have a phd in psychos like tony hinchcliffe or all these dudes that have been in the grind like i remember i mean i did open mics a long time ago but but they're fucking crazy people. There's a certain amount of open micers who think that they're really funny, and they can't get work, and they're angry about it, and they're really fucking crazy people. I get on Kill Tony when I've been on like two or three times.

Oh, yeah. That's a perfect example. Kill Tony's a perfect example. You go there, and you're like, what in the fuck am I watching? And if someone tries to tell that person, like, maybe you should connect more with the crowd. Ah, I connect. I'm connecting with people.

They get mad. I'm connecting. This is my best bits. These bits are good bits. And the people are like, what in the fuck? Tony Tohunga's like, dude, you're bombing. He goes, they were laughing. They're laughing. They're laughing at you. And Tony goes, they're laughing because you're fucking terrible and we're making faces behind you. He goes, that's laughing.

You don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Tony's like, get off the stage. He's like, make me. It's like, oh my god, dude. Oh boy. Yeah. But you see that, too, on American Idol. There'll be some crazy dude like, my mom thinks I'm the best, you know, the best since Lionel Richie. And they get up and they just completely bomb.

And then they talk shit to the experts. Yeah. You guys just don't know what you want. Well, you have to look at people as a whole, right? Now, if you look at people as a whole, like physically, right? There's people that are built like you, and there's people that are built like Verne Troyer. That's just a fact. It's tough.

It's tough. It's tough. But then there's also brilliant minds that look like Verne Troyer. Right, but my point is it's come on seven. It's a roll of the dice. That's the same thing with everything. It's the same thing with your mind as well. It just is.

The mind varies widely. It varies racially. It varies interracially. It varies racially. It varies interracially. It varies age-wise. Like, you're going to have a 50-year-old black guy that's the smartest guy you ever met in your life, and you're going to have a 50-year-old white guy who is a fucking moron, and you're going to have a 50-year-old woman who's out of her fucking mind, and you're going to have a 50-year-old woman who's a brilliant physicist, and you're going to have everything.

You're going to have every combination. Every combination of smart and stupid and tall and thin. People vary, but they also vary with how crazy they are. That's a variable. I think some people are crazy, and then they find a passion. They run with it. Maybe it's music, comedy. But then some of those crazy people

who are different than the others in high school get made fun of, get bullied, and then that craziness turns into darkness, and then they get a hold of AK-47, then that's when you get the mass shootings. Oh, yeah. Because there's experiences with those crazy people, and maybe they turn the right direction,

and they do something great, right? Great songs come up with a great bit or come up with a great TV show, or that person gets bullied so bad, the direction go in starkest fuck. I'm that crazy mind does crazy stuff Yeah, so 100% physical abuse sexual abuse along with that medications. Yeah sure medications could do it And that's all I mean every single mass shooters on medications But when you look at the combination of all the different factors It's like when you

see that lady crying in her car at two o'clock in the morning you're a cop you don't know what to do what do you what do you think you think she's gonna like i knew when i looked at her that she was gonna go on youtube and shoot that place up no there's no way you know there's no way but nicholas cruz kid same thing they they came to see him two years before i know they decided he wasn't a threat and the people like the f, the FBI is incompetent. No. 24 months later, first of all, he probably got fucking crazier. Crazy. Right? In 24 months.

His mom wound up dying like six months before that. So that probably fucked him up too. It was probably a whole host of factors. Chain events. Right. But he never did it before. How the fuck can you predict? These random shooters, I don't know what you're going to do.

The only thing with the YouTube thing is if the dad goes, listen, my daughter is going to do something crazy. And they find her near the YouTube Northern California offices, we should at least take her in for the night, talk to her. And that's the least – you're not going to lose anything. Taxpayers would be happy to pay for a night in there. It's all good. Yeah. I mean, I don't know if that would do it, though. It's like that lady just seemed fucking nuts, man.

Someone posted it and said, be ready to never sleep again. I mean, that didn't scare me that much. Yeah. I went, oh, she's batshit crazy. Yeah, like super duper batshit crazy. She thought YouTube was out for her because her views were lowering. One video I thought she had 45 views. It's like, come on, man.

That is fucking bananas, man. I'm sure they pull her YouTube pages by now, Jamie? Yeah. And if you're going to go out, right, most people do it to the head. She shot herself in the chest. That's dark. Savage. That's dark. Savage. That's dark.

That's a dark way to go. People that have done that, I guess, people that knew their brain was going to get locked up. Junior Seau did that, shot himself in the chest

because he goes, I want you to study my brain because it's not good. Fuck. I can't feel good. No. I feel like the brain would be way faster.

Damn, we went dark. We got to bring it back. We've gotten went dark. We've got to bring it back. We've gone dark this podcast. We've got to bring it back. Let's bring it home. Let's bring it home on a positive thing. Bring it home, bro. Thug Rose!

Thug Rose. That's the fight no one's talking about. Joanna Rose. Hey, Jamie, tell homeboys to watch the monitor. All right. Hey. Yeah, Thug Rose. No one's talking about it.

It's being overshadowed. Yeah, it is being overshadowed. It's a crazy one, right? It's because nobody expected it to go down the way it did in the first one. Not at all. In the rematch, Ioana's on weight. She's way lighter. She was 122 last week.

So she's just a few pounds away. Here's my problem with this fight. I might stop making picks. I said on the podcast yesterday, it doesn't make me feel good when I pick against people. It doesn't make me feel good. I feel like I have to do it. A lot of people don't do picks, and they come to me for picks. What do you think is going to happen?

For a long time, I thought, ooh, Rose, she's a monster, and I know Rose right from Denver. She landed that left hook, and Trevor teaches that, and Pat Berry teaches that, and that's exactly what they wanted to do. Amazing fight. I bet they fight three or four times. But if they do a rematch, which they should give Joanna the immediate rematch, Rose is going to be in a little bit of trouble because Joanna is a fucking machine. Here's the caveat to that. When I see Joanna do interviews and she goes,

it was my nutritionist, it was this person, it was this, it was this, never once has she owned it and taken credibility. I i go that's not the way a world champion speaks that's not the way at all someone talks yeah and when i see a bunch of excuse i go oh shit you have a hole in your boat and you're cut you're masking it with duct tape and you're trying to get back to this point you're just masked you're not solving you're not actually patching that up and so you're susceptible again and now you you're talking like that never happened it was a fluke yeah rose is pretty fucking good and if you don't respect her again you think it's your nutritionist is why you left that fight you're probably gonna lose again you might be right you might be right that's the

only thing that bothers me i think you want is one of the greatest changes of all time with the greatest fighters but it's just when i see them like oh you'm like, oh, you're going about the wrong way. And she goes, you know, I even talked to Ronda. She said she had a weight cut. No one's dealt with losses worse than Ronda. You don't want to reference that at all. I don't want to see that out of Joanna. She has so much more work to do.

Yeah, well, it's also,ana had a long career in Muay Thai A long career You know, like a lot of fights Oh yeah, tons A lot of kickboxing, sparring A lot of MMA, sparring Sometimes your chin just goes I mean, this is a real possibility

Sometimes your chin just goes You think it's a chin thing? I don't know Yeah I don't know See, I think it's too early to call for that Especially at that weight class I think for her, it was more She she just wasn't being respectful of Rose.

Right. I thought she was going to walk through and all the shit talking she was doing. Right. And Rose is a different animal. She reminds me of Brian Ortega a little bit, where she's very dangerous on conventional and these certain spots you can't train for. So she's that type of animal, similar to Brian Ortega. But with Joanna, gun to my head, I'd say Ioana wins by decision.

But again, I hate, making picks makes me feel bad lately. Yeah, making picks is tough, man, because you're going to piss people off, and they're like, oh, we're fucking rooting against me. No, you have to look at the analysis of it. Before the fight, I thought Rose was in trouble. I'm like, Joanna's very hard to take down. Me too. Her stand-up is world class.

Me too. And I think she could very well pick Rose apart and crack her as she's coming in. But when she hit her with that left hook, she hit her before that and hurt her. But when she hit her with that left hook, I was like, Jesus. Explosive, too. She looks good, man. And Rose, like, on the embedded, Rose was, Pat Barry takes a giant box of tennis balls and throws tennis balls at her.

And she's popping tennis balls in the air. And she looks fucking solid. And Rose, too, her ceiling, we're just seeing it. She has so much room for growth. She's so young. And she has Pat. And she has Trevor around her. And now, forever, people are like, you're going to be world champion.

And everyone tells, coaches tell fighters all the time. But when it actually happens, you go, oh, shit. They're not bullshitting. They're not just saying this. And I think when she actually believes it, now you're dealing with different Thug Rose. You're dealing with different Joanna. Joanna doesn't think she's the greatest gift to the MMA world. So that kind of combination is it's such a fascinating fight.

And no one's talking about it. Yeah, well, everybody was so caught up in this cancellation. And the Ferguson-Khabib fight was so huge. For the hardcores, for sure. But it's also one of those things where with Rose coming into this fight now and Joanna making excuses for the last fight, I'm really interested to see, like,

what happens when they square off and they look at each other. Is Ioana going to do the same talking again and Rose is going to be reciting the Bible? I don't think she can.

I don't think Ioana can do the same talking. You don't think she goes, this was a fluke, I'm doing the exact same thing. No, I think Rose is going to stare right through her fucking soul.

Me too. Be like, I'm the champ, bitch. When you talk a gang of shit at someone and they just stare right through you and then they murk you in the first round, it's very tough to talk that shit the second time. It's going to be interesting. I think that's a sign if Joanna isn't respecting Rose again. If she gets up there and starts talking that shit, I would put a ton of money on Rose.

Yeah. Yeah. If I see her doing the same things, I'm like, oh, shit, you learned nothing, girl. You learned nothing. Well, it's whether or not Rose can clip her again. If Rose charges in and clips her again. It's also the thing about a striker always worried about being taken down is more likely to get hit with a shot. Yep.

Like Kevin Randle when he knocked out Mirko Krokar. Same thing. Like Kevin was the threat as a wrestler, leaps in with a left hook, and catches him right on the chin, knocks him the fuck out. I think there's a real correlation there. I wouldn't be surprised if Joanna's so focused

on improving her stand-up, and it's like, all right, I caught this time, I'm just going to overwhelm her stand-up, she gets submitted. She overlooked the submission game of Rose, which is actually Rose's best weapon. That's what I was thinking.

I was thinking, bro, we might see Rose throw a flying armbar we might see rose do some wild shit she doesn't care about being on her back no no and she's fast she she goes for shit she like she's a wild explosive person you know and she's a really interesting thinker too you know she had a tough life man tough life growing up and and developed this very strong mind because controlled chaos is what i call it she's brilliant yeah i think what else is fascinating about this not that fight definitely i'm more almost more excited for that fight than anything now but what's fascinating to me is everyone talks about conor mcgregor right especially when you're talking about 155 and with conor and max holloway conor's never looked back and went i'll fight that guy back even though I'm better the

thing that gets Conor out of bed I think is the challenge and making history I think if Khabib or Max were to win that would be a new challenge and he would be an underdog against Khabib and Max Holloway that has to have a history at 55 especially if Khabib were to win I think we see Conor take that fight now because he goes that's pound for pound great one of the best at moving backwards hitting dudes i bet you i can beat that guy and we see him i think we see him take that fight and i've never said that before i've always i know dana said oh they're gonna fight in russia i'm like god why would connor fighting him and then i think about like when you think of all the challenges in connor's career and what gets him going it's not people behind behind him. It's always when people go, that guy's the best.

He goes, cool, give me that guy. Very similar to Max Holloway. Yeah. If Max wins, for sure they have a rematch. 100%. 100%. The thing about Khabib is you always got to wonder who's avoiding him. There's a difference there.

Everybody. See, the difference is Max is one of the best fighters on the planet, no doubt. He's one of my top. One of my top guys. Maybe even ever. Top featherweight of all time. But people aren't avoiding him. No.

Like I said, Khabib's a different animal. He's a terrifying guy. I referenced this. I said, if you gave me a choice to make the walk against francis or khabib i'm picking francis because it's a quick death he's not gonna head into third row but it's quick khabib it's like an isis video it's gonna be long drawn out it's gonna be a fucking nightmare that you're not gonna forget yeah he's gonna beat your body into a pulp but the worst is he breaks you where it's like oh you were good at this and people thought you were mentally strong.

Watch this. Now your entire family and friends are going to see how much of a pussy you are as they bash your brains in round after round after round after round. You see him break guys too, though. You see like there's something happens to them where they just they give in to the inevitability of getting ragdolled. Oh, he's just better. Yeah. Oh, the only person that's going to beat him. It's not a person. It's a fucking grizzly bear.

You know, it's like, fuck this, man. And you can see it in their eyes, where it just changes, where it's just like, nope, not happening. How many rounds? Four more rounds of this? This is terrible. If he wins and he beats Holloway,

I guarantee you he's calling out McGregor. He wants the GSP fight. Khabib wants GSP? Holy shit. That's what I hear. Whoa. That's the secret fight for him. At 170?

Mm-hmm. Whoa. What a great fight, right? It's a perfect time to do it right now, right? GSP wins by rear naked choke against Bisping at 185. Says he doesn't want to fight at 185 again. Here, take your belt. Suck it.

Suck it. GSP just goes, suck belt. Suck it. Suck it. GSP just goes, suck it. Suck it. Take your belt. Yeah, I know I told you I'd fight there. Suck it. Do whatever you want to do with that belt. I'm just going to do whatever the fuck I want.

I made a couple million bucks. True. I'm going to kick back for a while. And now you get Khabib, who, oh, you fancy yourself a grappler, GSP? Yeah. Me too. Let's party. That's a really interesting fight.

You know, if I could make a super fight, if I was like Dana, Scrooge McDuck, just sitting on top of all these gold coins, I'd call it Ben Askren. Like, yo, any interest in fighting Khabib at 170? Fuck yes. Fuck yes. What's up, brother? That's what I'm talking about. Yes. That's the fight. Call your boy. I'll call my boy.

He blocked my call this weekend. Call your boy. Did he block your call? I don't call him, but I'm sure he fucking... I'm going to talk to him this weekend. I'm going to talk to him this weekend. Call your boy. Did he block your call? I don't call him, but I'm sure he fucking- I'm going to talk to him this weekend. I'm going to talk to him this weekend. That would be the fight. The one fight to get him out. But here's the thing.

What if Ben Askren wins? He starts talking shit, calling Dana fat fuck. Perfect. You fucking egghead. It works. It sells paperies. It's the bottom line. Yeah, but then you ruin Khabib.

If Ben Askren could beat him. I think you give Ben Askren a guy who's a good fighter. GSP? Well, yeah, but seeing it, most people don't know who Ben Askren is. The problem is, he fought in Bellator for so long, and then even when Bellator's gotten bigger on Spike TV, he was off in one FC.

Which, yeah, no one saw. We are huge Ben Askren fans. I know. But we're hardcore. Like, the casual fan has no idea, like, who's this guy with the curly hair they're sending to his death? But we can sell it because he speaks well. He's a beast on the mic. Oh, yeah.

And then you pin an Olympian who's on the feed and never been hit against Khabib. Yeah. And we call it the Cold War. Well, I think in the UFC, particularly me, who I'm a big Ben Askren dick rider, and Jimmy Smith, who's also a big Ben Askren dick rider. I think we're all dick riders. We're all dick riders. We could sell the shit out of it. I could hype the shit out of that fight.

Oh, my God. And be 100% honest in the process. I think he's something special. I think his grappling is very unusual, very difficult to prepare for. And if you're going to deal with Khabib against a guy who can neutralize his stuff, and then you see, like, what if we see Khabib on his back? Ben Askren fucking with a knee across the belly punching Khabib in the face. We're like, no!

What about Ben Askren on his back? Right. And Khabib just doing the ground and pound. Right. There's these crazy scrambles. And the grappling community is going to be like, what the fuck? It would be amazing. This is terrible striking,

but what the fuck? Good luck selling that to Uncle Dana. You don't think so? Uncle Dana is going to be fuck you. He's going to slam that phone down.

Fuck you. He would have to have. He's like, sir, I'm trying to finalize CM Punk Floyd here. You're talking about Ben Askren,

Khabib, how dare you? He would have to have a good relationship with Ben Askren. No, he doesn't. I disagree He would have to have a good relationship with Ben Askren. They would have to be buddies. I disagree. No, he doesn't. He can go, alright, I'm going to make money off this kid. I have $450

million. I can make money off this kid. Let me do this. Don't you think you'd have to put Ben Askren in a UFC fight, though, against somebody to show everybody what he's capable of? Nope. He has all those belts, undefeated, Olympian. We just promo the shit. He's on Embedded. He has all those belts, undefeated, Olympian. We just promo the shit. He's on Embedded.

He's on UFC Tonight. He's on Below the Belt. He's on JRE. We go on this campaign. He's dressed in a flag. He's like, watch me beat the shit out of the pound for pound

great Russian. Who else doesn't like Russia? We're all, yeah! MAGA! MAGA! Great! Ooh, I like it It's never happening

It's never happening But you sold me Thank you sir If we could just get Dana To listen to this video Dana Uncle D If you just have him

Fight someone who's really good Like Neil Magny Or Carlos Condit Have him His introduction fight He's eating him up Like fucking Kobayashi Tadashi

Let's watch that introduction fight And who knows Nope This is a one shot Hail Mary here Have him his introduction fight. He's eating him up like fucking Kobayashi Tadashi. Let's watch that introduction fight. And who knows? Nope. This is a one-shot Hail Mary here. We're selling the fuck out of it. I'm interested. Because then what happens if he fights, you know,

Magna or Carlos Cano and just, like, rapes him, humps him for three rounds. People are like, that sucked, man. I know, but he probably won't be able to do that Khabib. So you got to watch that one. We missed the boat. His style is so much more suited to 1FC because they allow those knees to the head on the ground. True. Soccer kicks. Do they still allow soccer kicks in

1FC? Did they stop it after Brandon Vera almost executed a dude? I think they still do it. How about the Roger Huerta one? Oh my gosh. Roger Huerta got head kicked by that dude. How about Roger Huerta's fighting Ben Henderson this weekend? Yeah. That's flying under the radar. Yeah, it is flying under the radar. Well, it's like, you know,

Huerta was the first ever MMA fighter on the cover of Sports Illustrated. People forget. People forgot that back in the day, what is this, like 2002-ish, three-ish? Yeah, he was coming up, right before that, I forget who he beat,

then he was supposed to fight Kenny Florin, if you remember. He was on the front cover. What year was that? 2004? 2005? No. That's crazy. Later cover. What year was that? 2004? 2005? No. That's crazy.

Later than that. 2006. 2006? Six? What does it say? Oh, yeah. Here's the head kick. So the dude, he's already beaten him.

He ragdolls him, hurt his down, and look at this. This is horrible. Boom. I mean, that was one of the worst head kicks you'll ever see. That was horrible. See, I don't want to see that. I don't want that in my sport. That's horrible. Boom. I mean, that was one of the worst head kicks you'll ever see. That was horrible. See, I don't want to see that. I don't want that in my sport. That's horrible.

That one's horrible. Like, that guy was, he was already hurt and out of it before that. Whoa, the average casual adult soccer player can kick a ball with a thousand foot pound force. The average professional soccer player can kick at about 1,200-foot-pound force. My educated guess is elite, highly trained martial artists perform very similar to the professional soccer player. I'll tell you what. You put somebody down on their hands and knees, and I kick them in the head like that.

It's going to be a lot more than that. They're fucked. Broden killed a guy. You don't want to see that. You could kill somebody doing that. You literally could snap their neck. There's no doubt about it. When was that Sports Illustrated cover, though, Jamie want to see that. You could kill somebody doing that. You literally could snap their neck. There's no doubt about it. When was that Sports Illustrated cover, though, Jamie?

Did you remember Roger Huerta on the cover of Sports Illustrated? And it says, is the UFC the next emerging sport, or is it just a fad or something like that? I want to say 2006. Me too. I'm thinking six-ish. I think it's post- Tough.

Yeah, it's post-Stefan Bonner, Forrest Griffin. Yeah, I agree. And that was 2005. Yeah, so 2006, 2007? Maybe 2007. But remember Roger Huerta, he got all that notoriety, and then he tried big dick in the UFC. Went, no, I want this, this, and this.

Then went, cool, we're going to sit you, and then give you the worst matchup possible. Here's Gray Manion. Yeah. May 28th, 2006. Yeah. There it goes. What's up?

2007, I'm sorry, 2007. Oh, seven. Shit, sorry, my bad. Mother. So we were in the neighborhood. Yeah, we're close. Yeah, so this was, you know, Roger Huerta was like the poster boy.

Handsome, Hispanic, Latino, bad motherfucker. Remember when Roger Huerta beat that dude up that punched a chick in the face like a goddamn superhero in Austin, Texas? He's a big football player. Big football player, sucker punched a girl in the face in front of everybody, dropped her, and then Roger Huerta takes his shirt off and fucks this dude up. There's a scramble. You see the dude squaring off.

Roger's way smaller than him. Cut to a few seconds later, you see Roger soccer kicking him. Here it is. So Roger is standing back here, and this guy steps into this girl. TMZ, son.

Did you show the first beginning of it? That's a long video. Yeah, but the beginning of it is when he steps in and punches the girl in the face. Right there. Oh, right there. He drops the girl. Go right but the beginning of it is when he steps in and punches the girl in the face. Right there. Oh, right there. He drops the girl. Go right to the beginning. Knocks the girl out. Right to the beginning.

This doesn't play the whole thing. So the guy in the orange shirt, big ass dude, drops a girl, female girl. Punched her in the face. Then look, we're to look at him. Yeah. Good luck holding back. No, he's talking shit He's saying that's a girl man

He's so much smaller This guy's like Fuck you I'll fuck you up too Werta always had Good fashion too Just want to throw that out there There's another video

That we hear more volume With them talking to each other This might be the only one I've ever seen Oh there goes Werta Takes his shirt off And he's pissed Guy who hit girl

Roger Werta Yeah they both took Their shirt off Okay he's pissed. Guy who ate girl, Roger Huerta. Yeah, they both took their shirt off. Okay, here we go. That guy had some titties with a... So Roger chases him down. Well, Roger was fast as fuck. That guy had no idea what he was doing. He was an animal.

Before he knew it, that dude's getting punched in the face. And at the end, you see Roger's got the dude in a ground sock kicking him. No, it's like jumping into the water and there's a crocodile in there. Before you know it, look at Roger. Boom! He's out cold. You know what? And that's justice, isn't it? He's basically a

Mexican Batman there. If he kept kicking him, it would have been justice. I mean, it was justice for sure, but fuck that guy. Imagine sucker punching your daughter. Big, giant, 250 pound football player sucker punches your daughter in the face it'd be hard not to kill very hard not to go to prison very lucky he's alive yeah very lucky he's alive and he probably shouldn't be if he doesn't feel remorse for that sucker punching a girl in the face like that it's a special kind of piece of shit big dude too it's a giant dude yeah i mean who knows what the

fuck is going on in his head but then again who knows what the fuck is going on with a lot of football players that have suffered a lot of head trauma true or he could just be a bad guy could be a bad guy maybe he's raised around that thinks it's okay yeah maybe who knows what the girl either way never okay to hit a girl fuck like that too it's that's a horrible thing to watch it's a horrible thing to watch it's awful that guy punching a guy like you is horrible. But punching a girl in the face? Horrible, man. There's a lot of fucking shitty humans out there, man.

It's a real unfortunate part about us. We keep going dark. It's tough not to today. When you watch something like that. I know. But thank God Roger was there. But Roger Wuertha saved the day. He did, man.

Superhero style. I bet his friends are like, remember that time you got murked by Roger Huerta? And he was tiny. He fought at 155 pounds. And your giant ass is all juiced up in the goddamn weight room every day. And you still got knocked out for hitting a girl. Remember that asshole? Yeah, that guy never lives that down.

Nope. Even now. I'm sure people will find him on Instagram and be like, hey, Rogan Shaw, we're talking mad shit about you, man. Remember that? You're never going to live it down. If he never went to jail for that, that's the punishment. Correct.

You never went to jail for that? You're supposed to go to jail for that. Yeah, for a long time. That's supposed to put you in jail for a long time. And hopefully he doesn't have kids. It's dark. Dark. We went dark again.

We go dark sometimes. What else is on this card this weekend? You got Chiesa, Anthony Pettis. That's a fun one. Everybody's slept on that fight. I know. It's another one that's gone under the radar. I know.

Chiesa, Anthony Pettis. Very interesting, man. Chiesa, man. He fucking submitted Benil Dariush. He gets your back. You're fucksville, son. But remember, he got submitted by Kevin Lee. He did, but he didn't. He didn't.

He didn't get submitted. The referee stopped it. I know, but you were saying he was good. Look, he was tightening up his neck. He wasn't out. You got to let the guy go out. Oh, come on, brother. 100%.

Paul Felder, Al Iaquinta. That kicks it off. Woo! Dude, Cater. That kicks it off Woo Dude Cater Did you see You remember Cater fighting in Boston He's a monster Calvin Cater And Moicano

That's a good fight too Dude look at the undercard You got Borg You got Joe Lozon Go up there Up around the quarter Calvin Cater And Anato Moicano

Great fight That's a great fight That's fight of the night written all over Yeah dude All over God there's fucking five excellent fights In that main card Look at your boy Felice Renato Moicano. Great fight. That's a great fight. That's fight of the night written all over it. Yeah, dude. All over it. God, there's fucking five excellent fights in that main guard. Look at your girl, Felice Herring.

Yeah. Versus Karolina. Yes. Karolina Kivalkovic. And then I'm not even mad at the fight pass fight. No. The main one, your boy Bruce Leary versus Lobov. Did you hear about Artem Lobov, who's's obviously team Connor and then team Khabib

saw each other and they got into it. Did they? Yeah the team Connor and then the team Khabib's got really into it. Because Khabib

obviously asked for Connor when Tony fell out and Dana was like come on let's get real. Yeah you can't put that. You have a better

shot at fighting Ben Asker. I read there's a video supposedly of Lobov calling him a coward and like he was calling him out to say it to his

face. Oh wow. It never goes good with those guys from... For Dagestan? It's Dagestan, right? Yeah. You know how many people

he must have seen get killed? Shit. Now I'm going to come out off mentally. He's in a completely different space. Goddamn. Mike came to be in color?

Why do they have Mike Rodriguez? Why is Mike in black and white? Why is he in dad shorts? What the fuck kind of shit is this? What kind of bullshit? What is this bullshit? They didn't even allow him to flex. God damn.

Mike's guts out. He has the fucking regular Russell shorts on that you get in gym class. Fuck, Mike. Oh, man. Oh, Joe Lozon's on the card, too. Mike, Slow Mike Rodriguez. That's not a great nickname. Slow Mike.

That's not good. That's a trick. It's fast. So fast it couldn't get him a colored nickname. Slow Mike. That's not good. That's a trick. It's fast. So fast it couldn't get him a colored picture. Light heavyweight. Look at that. 205 and 192. What is that?

What's that shit? Is that a real weight? It's a real weight. It's not 192. One of them's 205. One's 192. That doesn't even make any sense. Like, unless they're fighting at 85 and they caught them

before the weight cut. That makes zero sense. That makes zero sense. One guy's 13 pounds heavier? Like, what weight class are they fighting? I mean, I know that's light heavyweight, but what is that? Mike Rodriguez, what's a strange name for a black guy, last name Rodriguez. Might be Cuban. Maybe.

His name's Mike, though, slow-mo Mike, but he's just fortunate he got a picture, because usually they just throw up a shadow if they don't have it. Right. This time, they went, you know what? You're not getting a shadow. We're going black and white for you. Yeah.

We're going to let people know that you haven't really fought in the UFC before, so we'll give you a black and white. But we're still going to get pictures. What do you think about Chiesa and Pettis? Man, Pettis, right? It's just- He's on a bad right? He's on a bad streak. He's on a rough streak. He won his last one, right?

But then him fighting at 45, whoever told him to do that's insane. So that's how Holloway got his belt. I'm a Kevin Lee fan, but I say he did not submit Michael Chiesa. I say he had it, and they should have let him. They should have let him go out,

and he would have won, but they didn't, and he didn't. Okay. We're in the same boat. However, if it would have kept going on, he would have been choked unconscious. Maybe not. Maybe not.

He'd been doing jiu-jitsu way too long not to know. Maybe Chiesa's like Hicks and Gracie. Hicks and Gracie lets black belts take his back with a full rear naked choke, and he's like, go ahead. I know, Gracie. Try to choke. I know. You know what, Gracie?

That's Hicks and for God's sakes. I love Chiesa. That's a far cry from H what, Gracie, we're talking, that's Hickson, for God's sakes. Yeah. That's a, I love Chiesa. That's a far cry from Hickson Gracie. And also, he went to go tap. I don't know. If you look at the video, he panics a little bit, and now he's a black belt, I think. He said that he was- He knows what the fuck he's doing.

He was going out. He was concentrating on his neck. If you hear him talk about it, that he'd tighten, he'd put all his focus on his neck, and he'd let his hands go, and he's just tightening it up. Oh yeah, and you have Kevin Lee who's a fucking anaconda around your neck and has previous wins of rear naked chokes. I don't buy it.

I agree with you. They should have let it go on. I think you've been choked unconscious. Gotta let it go on. You have to. You gotta let it go on. The only worst ref I've seen was the ref in the Joseph Parker fight. I didn't see that fight. The ref would not fucking let these guys fight. Anytime they even got close, he'd jump in there and push them away.

Who do you think that favored? I think they thought it was going to favor Anthony Joshua. For sure they want him to win, but it actually favored— Parker? Yeah. Did you agree with the decision? Yes. Parker definitely lost, but I don't agree where people are like, oh, Anthony Joshua looked bad in an off night. No, no, you morons.

And Pauly mentioned this. The distance they fought in is such a high level. No one got hit. And Parker's such a good boxer. His jab is so goddamn good. It was just a battle of straight skill, man. And I thought it was so impressive. And people walk away from it going, man, Anthony Joshua's not that good i went man he's better than i thought he can box way better than i thought

well it's because you understand fighting yes the people that say what's not that good because he didn't win by spectacular knockout yes like deontay wild correct wilder that's a that's interesting the wilder fight is very interesting because wilder talks a ton of shit he's exciting he's brash he's got serious knockout power. Crazy. And he's fun to watch, man. And he's like a brash American. You know?

That's a great fight. It's a great fight. When are they going to do that? Does Wilder have to fight somebody first? It sounds like Joshua's going to fight someone else and Wilder's going to fight someone else. Why are they doing that? That's so stupid.

It's so stupid. You know how boxing is, man. It's so stupid. Well, they build it up to make this big, giant event, and when it comes off, like, look, it comes off. It comes off like Pacquiao versus Mayweather. It's giant. It's the number one problem with boxing.

Give us the matchups everyone wants to see. That's why the UFC gains so much ground. Right. Because usually Dana, besides Aspren and Khabib, usually when there's a fight, Dana goes, boom, there you go. Super, you want to see steep ADC? Boom, there you go. Conor Aldo? Boom, there you go. Yeah. So we get all this. Conor, Dana goes, boom, there you go. You want to see Steve Bates? Boom, there you go. Conor Aldo?

Boom, there you go. So we get all this. Conor, Eddie Alvarez, there you go. So we get these super fights. In boxing, like, no, no. Listen, we want to do this, and this guy's a mandatory. I manage this guy,

and this guy's PBC boxing. This guy's Showtime. So it's all this red tape. It'd be a phenomenal fight. It'd be a phenomenal fight. Phenomenal fight. It's gonna happen I think it happens

I don't know if it happens At the end of this year But I just can't believe Triple G and Canelo are not gonna fight That's such a bummer May 5th

I feel like it's not even I mean what is today Is today April 5th It's a month away Yeah I know They haven't even They haven't even put the The hearing together

The hearing is like what The 18th or something Canelo backed out. Why did he back out? I just don't think, I think he knew the odds were against him and backed out. And then, you know, Triple G's still planning on fighting May 5th. Wow. He's still going to fight.

Who the fuck is he going to fight? I'd love it if he fought Billy Joe Saunders, but Joe Saunders can't fight until June. Why? Because he's coming off a hand injury. But he's like, I'm ready in June. Let's do it in June. If I'm Triple G, I'm not fighting May 5th. You're going to sell 30 pay-per-views.

When Canelo drops out, whoever they replace with, it's not going to be a huge name. I'm sure it's going to be a tough guy. It's going to be a worthy opponent. It's not going to make you bank. You make bank off your pay-per-view. Just fight in June. Just fight in June. Fight fucking Billy Joe Saunders

in June for us. Yeah, but the problem is they don't have the date in June. When you look at a venue like the T-Bumble Arena in Vegas, that motherfucker has booked out

way in advance. Yeah. Except for the Mayweather McGregor fight. The Mayweather-McGregor fight they found an opening. They said, let's do it.

Because now you're dealing with the boxing commission. Yeah. Then they have to pay. They have to pay, yeah. No Because now you're dealing with the boxing commission. Yeah. Then they have to pay. They have to pay, yeah. No, Ice Cube's Basketball League had it booked. They had to pay like three. Ice Cube's Basketball League.

How much did they have to pay? Three on three league. How much did they have to pay? I heard six million. Yeah, something. Really? Yeah, six million. And then they did the parking lot.

But it's three on three basketball. So Ice Cube, get the fuck out the way. I'll watch three on three at the rack. I'm not trying to see these old basketball players play three on three basketball for so ice cube get the fuck out the way i'll watch three on three at the rack i'm not trying to see these old basketball players play three on three get the fuck out so we can watch conor versus floyd don't give us any hassle basketball it's a three on three league what is it they have a bunch of old like college players and some old nba players and they play a three on three half court game i put it on tv it was was done every week in a different city in a tournament style thing. They have a four-point shot? What? If they have the

Masters League and you could only use your left jab, that's what it's like in the UFC. You can't have a four-point shot, you sons of bitches. Karate is back. New World Full Contact Karate Combat League kicks off. Is this with Boss Rutan? It's announced today, yeah. Yeah, Boss Rutan is the commentator.

He's coming on. He might have something to do with the organization, too. Boss is coming on next Just announced today, yeah. Yeah, BossRootin is the... Commentator? The commentator. He's coming on. He might have something to do with the organization, too. Boss is coming on next week to talk about it. El Guapo in the house. I love Boss. I love Boss, too. They play in a pit. Or they fight, rather, in a pit.

In a straight pit? Like sand pit? Look at it. See it? Oh, bro, Chuck Norris did this shit. Yeah, that's the way to go, man. Oh, yeah, it worked out great for Chuck. Look, it did work out great. He had a lot of successful shows. Yeah, they have a fight booked April 26th at 9 a. Yeah, that's the way to go, man. Oh, yeah. It worked out great for Chuck. Look, it did work out great.

He had a lot of successful shows. Yeah, they have a fight booked April 26th in Miami. Wonder Boy fought in it at least. They're going to fight with karate pants on too, it looks like. So they're fighting with little gloves on, but they're wearing karate pants. And it's going to be in the Olympics. Not this exact thing, but karate's in the Olympics for the next one. Karate's in the Olympics.

I'll tell you right now, all these fighters better pray to God Wonderboy doesn't get a feather up his ass and decide to join this league. Or Raymond Daniels or any of these world-class guys. Oh, you're screwed. Now, can you kick to the legs? I don't know about rules on it. You better be able to kick to the legs. You can fuck it.

For sure fighting a sandpit, though. They should fight in a basketball court. Oh, God damn it. No! Stop that. I can't. We can't say that. Fight in a basketball court Oh god damn it Stop that I can't We can't I can't say that

Stop fighting a basketball court Period Doesn't say much Don't let them get too close To the fans Don't let them get too close to the fans Three rounds Three rounds

Three minutes Offensive techniques scored more highly than counter strikes It says karate is back Approximately 50 million Americans have participated in karate at some point in their lives And then I And then I grew the fuck up You gotta I, and then I grew the fuck up. You gotta stop with that. Then I grew the fuck up.

Then I realized, Oh, I'm not learning shit that John Claude did in the movies. And this isn't fun anymore. Yeah. When someone says that karate, approximately 50 million Americans have participated in karate at some point in their life. Yeah.

Little kids taking fucking karate classes. My seven year old's awesome. Correct. Yeah. Me too. That's great. I was a yellow duck out of here. The problem with karate is we already know about MMA and we already know about Muay Thai.

But what I do like is if they allow leg kicks and they have those small gloves on, it's basically like. It's an MMA fight, but all standing. It's all standing. But also, they're not going to allow leg kicks. God, they got to allow leg kicks. That's a huge fuck up if they don't allow leg kicks. Is Boss just a commentator or is he in on it as a promoter? I don't know.

I'm going to find out next week. But I would hope that they allow leg kicks. I don't even like that Glory doesn't allow elbows. I feel like you should allow elbows. I agree. I think that's the sport. The sport is if you're going to stand up, it should be Muay Thai. I mean, that to me is the sport. The rules of Muay Thai.

You could throw wheel kicks in Muay Thai. You could throw flying side kicks. You do whatever the fuck you want. But you also can do Muay Thai. Like knees to the body, elbows to the face. All those super effective, close range techniques that glory doesn't allow. But I think they're worried about with the elbows. Guys aren't going to be able to fight

close together because the elbows cause the cuts. However, I'd rather deal with that than not allow elbows. Well, I don't like the guys fighting close together. I think that's super dangerous. That's the sport, though, isn't it? But when you have guys fight more than one time in a night, I think that is fucking crazy. When you have guys fight two, three times a night like Joe Schilling did in the L.A. Last Man Standing event, that is bananas. You're taking a giant chance.

You're hoping that someone doesn't get severely concussed even in a win in their first fight and then come back and fight in the second fight. Doesn't that make it fun though? Like that's kind of the nature of the game. Like what about wrestling? Like NCAAs, those guys wrestle a few times. They're not getting head kicked. They're cutting massive weight.

They are cutting massive weight, but they're not getting head kicked. Getting, getting head kicked in the first round and getting up at the count of seven. And then fighting later. And then fighting. And then getting head kicked again an hour later and getting up at the count of seven and then fighting and then getting head kicked again an hour later it's nuts crazy it's crazy i just don't like it just and also you don't get the best guy versus the best guy in an even situation right like if one guy wins by first round knockout the other guy has a four round war like joe shilling did when he fought simon mar Amazing fight. Crazy fight.

They go to three rounds. It's a draw. They go to the third. And Joe had been knocked down, I think, in the first, and then Joe starched him in the fourth. Isn't that kind of cool? If you know the sport, you're like, damn, look how these guys just get through this. They've dealt with this, and now it's kind of cool.

But we know the repercussions. Most people don't. Right. Well, then the UFC should bring back a tournament, too, then. I'm not mad at that. The Pride tournaments. It's so old school. Yeah.

And people are probably going to die because you guys are so good now. But it's what you sign up for. Well, the problem is if one guy goes through three rounds of hell and the other guy just lands like a Connor straight left hand they did on Aldo and wins in 13 seconds, it's just not fair. I know. And, you know, you don't care. But however that guy pulled off that 13 second knockout another guy had a war it's true it's true it's true it's true i mean glory is the only organization right now that's mainstream where you can watch guys fight

more than once in a night they do it all the time here's here's the point why the ufc is never going to do it most sports won't do it it's hard to a it's it's a long show b it's hard to market that it shouldn't be sanctioned no i mean there's a reason why it's not yeah you're you're in the right here there's a reason why it's not i like to play devil's advocate but the reason why it's not is because the masses are like what isn't it weird just saw me get kicked in the face fighting again they sanctioned it for kickboxing but they don't sanction that for mma isn't that weird because like last man standing was in la we saw that at the fucking forum that was uh that was right here the whole the whole rules are

where the judge and we've talked about this before and that's why i was so intrigued about the uh tony furston fight and this is why i i did uh stand up at uh this uh san jose improv and in the front row and i didn't know they're gonna be be there, it was all of Team AK, John Fitch, Thompson, stuff like that. And after the show, someone in front of them asked me, this was before Ferguson dropped, they went, Ferguson, Khabib, who's going to win? And it was a toss-up for me because I thought Tony was going to do work off his back. He was going to land a crazy amount of elbows and fuck up Khabib's face,

but because Khabib was on top, he'd get the win via decision. And I said the losers are going to be the judges because they won't know how to judge that fight. And saying that in front of the AKA team was awkward. Depends upon how it plays out. But if it plays out the way you described it, yeah. If Tony is landing big shots from the bottom. Submission threats, elbows, his face getting bloody, but Khabib's doing work on top, but Tony's still threatening elbows, elbows, just fucking him up.

It's possible, but if Khabib mauls him, it should be real clear. We don't even know if we're ever going to see that now, and that's a sin against humanity. David says we won't. He says we will never see it. He said crazy shit like Jon Jones will never be in a main event again. He said a lot of crazy shit. True. He says this person gets a title shot and then someone else does.

Yeah. I think he's emotional. He's upset. I'd be pissed too. But also, think how much money he's missed out on. Oh, yeah. If they tried again, it'd be the fifth time trying to promote this. Is that the fifth?

Really? This is the fourth they've dropped out. No. Fourth they've tried to make this fight. That's insane. Sean Shelby and Joe Sill was trying to make this fight before he retired. Oh, my God. It's the one fight he wanted to make

and it never happened. So if you're Dana and you're like, hold up, how much money have we put in marketing to these fucks and it just doesn't happen for us?

We're out. But if it does happen, you gotta do it. You know, you said that you didn't believe it was gonna happen until you saw the door bolt and they're standing

next to each other. Yeah, here we are. Yeah, you're right. It's such a shame. You're the first person I text when I saw it because we were talking about how sad we'd be. It's such a bummer. But this is the next best thing.

No, the next best thing is Conor. This is the next best, next best thing. This is the next best thing on a six days notice. Yeah, you would never get Conor on six days notice. But if Conor, what if Conor was scheduled to fight? See, the thing about a Conor at this stage is there's no tune-up fights. It's never going to happen again. No.

Like, every fight is just giant. The only fight where it would be a level playing field would be Nate Diaz, because he's been out just as long. So you're both going to have a little bit of ring rest. You're both going to be out for a long time. You're both going through the same thing You fight a guy like Khabib Do you think they offered it to Nate? Who do you think they offered it to?

We know they offered it to Ortega Ortega Eddie Alvarez And Alvarez said no, right? Yeah Why did he say no? I'm not sure He's out of shape

Too heavy right now Oh yeah, he's 190 He's been doing it too long He said he's 190 I'm not making that son. He said, I'm all of 190. I love Eddie Alvarez. Imagine losing 35 fucking pounds.

Nah. How much, and if you know, please say it for everyone, how much you think they paid Max Holloway to take this fight? Six day notice and they go, bro, we know your champ at 145. Here's the offer. Because there's no way we're just giving you this much. All I know is what Eddie told me on the podcast about Tony. He said he was going to make millions.

So if that's what we know, we've got to assume there's a big paycheck in it for Max Holloway. I told Brian, he goes, how much do you think he's going to pay? And I said, if I'm Max, I don't take that fight for under $4 million. I know they're in a tough position, and they need a big name, and they're trying to recoup the pay-per-views. So I got them back in the corner. I'm on a long-ass win streak. I'm saying $4 million or bust.

Ooh, you're a bold man. I'd say two. Two? After taxes? Yeah. That's not worth it. That's fucked up. Not when you're fighting Khabib?

Fuck no. What? I need a million for every day So six days Six You know You know Max can submit people But we don't anticipate him submitting Khabib

It just It seems like Khabib's grappling is on a higher level than Max It seems like the way Max can win this fight Is by pacing Because Max is Even if Max is not in shape He's in phenomenal shape higher level than max it seems like the way max can win this fight is by pacing because max is even if max is not in shape he's in phenomenal shape i mean he's just he's got an incredible cardio base and he really knows how to pace himself very well pacing if it's more of a stand-up fight

and if it's at his tempo kabib goes watch your, and just throws in a blender. Yeah, he's... And it's a six-day notice, and it's a Max who's taking time off to spend time with his family. So all the chips are just stacked against Max. All of it. And it's a weight class above his weight class. It's Khabib, who's a huge 155.

It's arguably the best grappler in the UFC. And the other problem is, he really doesn't entertain the stand-up game, so your chance of the home run shot is even dropped even lower. That's what I'm saying for him now. Did you hear what he said about it? He said, thank you for taking the fight. I don't think you'll ever be the same again. Oh.

So after this fight, I don't think you'll ever be the same again. And he's probably not lying. That's a dark thing to say, too. Not just, I'm going to win. Oh, Mufasa. I don't think it'll ever be the same again. And he's probably not lying. That's a dark thing to say, too. Not just, I'm going to win, but you'll never be the same again. It breaks my heart. I hope he's wrong. And you know what I'd do if I was in Max's corner? And if it's like halfway through that second round, and I'm like, damn, Max looks exhausted because he's not in shape.

He's just taking a beat, and he's so tough. He's probably going to last five rounds I throw in that towel I'm going to take all the shit from the fans because I don't want Max dealing with this because this isn't this isn't his fight to be honest this isn't his fight this isn't his path he's going to make four million hopefully

and he's going to be set for life financially if he's smart with his money however this isn't his path we did this to help out the UFC he made bank here's the towel fuck you i know you're gonna hate me max we'll talk in hawaii over a bowl of uh ahi tuna that's not a bad idea yeah well if we know we i think with a khabib fight one of the things is after the first round you kind of know how it's gonna go well no it's but the thing too for max too if he had 12 weeks and he's in phenomenal shape and he gets taken down all kind of Chad Mendes, Conor McGregor.

When Conor got taken down, we're like, it's just a matter of time. Wear him out. Matter of time. We're going to catch him. But with this, Khabib's in better shape. He's had more time. He's been preparing for a guy who's insane cardio shape. So it's just the odds are so fucked for Max.

It's crazy. Crazy. Really crazy. I'm so stressed. As I'm I'm stressed. I'm so stressed. As I'm explaining it myself, I'm stressed out. Wow. It's going to be interesting. It's going to be interesting, man.

It's going to be a good one. So we were talking before. Let's wrap this up. But before talking before this, we want to do a fight companion, but there's no fights that we're all around for a fight companion. So let's do a fight companion, get all the boys in here, and put on some fights. Doing a random night or something like that. Yeah, a random fucking Tuesday or some shit. And maybe order a couple pizzas.

Yeah. I mean, you eat pizza every now and then. Well, every now and then. Me too. Try not to. Well, wait. We'll save it for a cheat meal. How about neither one of us cheat until that night?

Okay. Deal? It's a deal. Deal. I'll get the pizzas. Let's wrap this bitch up. Brendan Schaubub Big Brown Breakdown No

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