The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #22 with Bas Rutten

Episode Date: April 10, 2018

Joe is joined by UFC Heavyweight Champion & three-time King of Pancrase world champion, Bas Rutten.

Three, two, one, boom! And we are live with El Guapo as he tries to navigate his phone with his left hand. What did you punch with your right hand? A table. A table that was stronger than me. Yeah, this size table. Why did you punch a table? Okay, so I was in three states in six days.

I slept four hours per night. I just came from Chicago. And this whole thing, I had to get up at four. And then I had a shoot, a commercial shoot for my body action system starting at 10. And this happened at 10.30 p.m. So I was 12 and a half hours in. And I already said, okay, I'm not going to do it anymore because I couldn't retain information anymore. I had some lines, two lines to remember.

They were feeding me lines. I couldn't do it anymore. I had some lines, two lines to remember. They were feeding me lines. I couldn't do it anymore. I said, this is it. I stopped. But then they said, yeah, but if you can do this little thing. Okay, I'll try that one more time. And of course it didn't work. And I said, you know what?

I throw out my gloves. And somehow, this is how stupid you are. You throw off your glove. And two seconds after I took it off, I hit the table somehow. I still needed to hit something and I decided to do it without a glove instead of with a glove a solid thing guess what's gonna lose my pinky knuckle and they incapacitate your entire arm for that pretty much I think just for a pinky knuckle they call it a boxing fracture yeah just. These two are like, that's like the old school, bringing us back to karate combat.

Old school karate days, I would always recommend that you punch like this. You know what I did? And I know, and I was going to do that. But the amount of force I was using at this moment, I really fast in milliseconds. And you had to go say, it's better to spread out the impact even more because I was. Because you're hitting it so hard. Yeah. I knew I was going to break the big one too, if I would do it.

Yeah, it was just one of those stupid things. You just lost your marbles. And five seconds, because I hit, boom, they look at me, everybody's freaking out, and I go, no, it's over. She says, you no pain? I said, no pain, but it's broke. She said, how do you know? I said, trust me, I can feel it. So I was right away, I was calm again.

Everything was good. Nobody died that night. I know. That right arm's been through hell. It been. And you know, this for me to lose cool like that, that happens once every five years or so. But I get angry. I never get angry. I don't have that. Not that kind of anger

that I hit something. I mean, how old am I? Right. You seem to always be a happy guy. That's what I am. But I think it's also because I'm happy. So when it gets angry, that's what the fights. That's what always happens. I'm nice, nice, nice, nice, nice, nice, nice.

Try to defuse it. Then I realize, wait a minute. And then I'm asking them. I say, you don't think I'm afraid, right? I say, I'm doing this for you. I'm protecting you right now. That's why I don't want to fight. And at the moment you say that, you know, some of them call you bluff.

And then because he did it for such a long time, yeah, then I'll make sure that. Boss smash. Yeah. But those are the old boss days. Those old boss days. No more. No more boss like this. I like that, actually.

And I don't think it's a healthy boss either. How is your arm doing in terms of like the atrophy? Is it growing back? You see the atrophy still up? It's definitely growing back though. Yeah, it gets a little bit bigger now. I have this new stuff that I'm trying. I have it at home.

I need bacteriostatic water for it. It's a peptide called BPC-157. Did you ever hear of that? Yeah, Ben Greenfield told me about that. It's great for tendons and ligaments and stuff. Yeah, even nerves and regrows apparently everything. And rats, I mean, they regrow tendons, everything. And I'm going to try it.

I'm going to try it locally here on the biceps, see what it does as soon as I have the water. So it seems like the muscles are growing back, though, like slowly but surely, right? Yeah, but it's six years. Six years. Look at this. That's crazy. I go 25 pounds. I can do eight times now, bicep curls with the right.

That's a lot better than it used to be, though. I couldn't do five pounds. Wow. Yeah, not once. Pat Miletic is the same thing. Same thing from his neck. You know what? You want to hear how crazy Pat's injury was?

Pat's disc had deteriorated so badly that his discs fused themselves. And he didn't realize that? That guy is a complete animal. He's a fucking animal. He didn't even realize it. His discs fused themselves. He went to the doctor and they're like, well, we don't have to fuse it. It already fused itself. Well, if you talk to him and he looks at you, it's like he has a fused neck, right? He's always like Batman.

Very stiff. He looks to the side. He can't move. Yeah. Fucking grappling, man. I know. They'll blame it on punching and kicking, but all the knees, injury, everything, my rib that was out, my lats, it's all wrestling. It's grappling

and wrestling. Wrestlers are all fucked up. We were talking about Kurt Angle yesterday. He was an Olympic gold medalist, fantastic wrestler. I mean, he's got a neck that literally is like the size of my waist, but his neck is so fucked up. Both of his arms are tiny, and you can see the atrophy in his arms. Like, his arms don't match his neck.

Oh, that sucks. You know? And you can tell. I mean, obviously you know better than anybody about neck injuries. Guys always, like, their arms shrink because they get atrophy. It cuts off the nerves. Okay, imagine. So with him, it's both ways then.

Yeah, well, it looks. Pull up that picture again, Jamie. See if you can find it. This is Ronda Rousey's Instagram. You could see it. I saw him at the induction at the International Sports Hall of Fame. I was there for. Ronda was there as well.

And he was sitting first row. But he was wearing a suit, of course, so I couldn't tell. Yeah. Well, he still looks like a tank. Yeah, he does. But his fucking neck is ridiculous. It's so big. But, like, look at this...

What happened? That's us. That's great. See, look at his arms. Oh, wow. Yeah. See the size of his neck? I mean, his neck...

It looks like his arms should be as big as his fucking legs. Yeah. He just is... I mean, the guy's been through hell. But look at the fucking size of his neck it looks like his arm should be as big as his fucking legs yeah he just is i mean the guy's been through hell but look at the fucking size of his neck have you seen a neck like that before that shit's crazy that might build a lot of muscle around it i guess well yeah it's all fucked up yeah it's been fused and as yours right yeah for this fusion front and back well one splint you know that opens it up and then the other ones are fusions. And I have a friend of mine who has five, and he can't move. Like, look, with me, I have mobility.

He can't do this. He can't look to the side a little bit. Yeah, I was talking to a buddy of mine about a mutual friend of ours, and I didn't realize that he had done this, but he had went to Germany and got his whole back fused. His whole back is completely rock solid fused. You know who has that too? Who? I was looking for him in the hospital, Don Fry. Don Fry

has that too? 10 disc fusion. This guy died twice on the operating table. He had infections, the rods were broke, everything. Man, I was in his hospital, he lost a lot of weight, he had a big beard, and he said, check this out. He stood up, and from his butt crack all the way to above his shoulder blades, one big zipper.

Oh, 10-disc fusion. How many discs are in your back? Probably 10. I don't know. Shit. I have no clue. We got to Google that. That's fucking crazy.

How many do you think are in there, Jamie? 13, I go. 15, 16, I don't know. 15, 16? how many do you think are in there jamie i 13 i go 15 16. so there's one disc hanging in there jesus jesus take me one one disc it's gonna go that's what they say with fusions if you have a fusion then the discs below or above are going to be next they say because there's 33. oh it's not that bad then he He's doing great. It's only 10 fusions. Eddie Bravo has an artificial disc. They put artificial discs in now, these articulating titanium discs. I wish I had that. I know.

I couldn't do that at the time. Yeah. Yeah. It was in the early stages. But Eddie's got no problem with it at all. It moves great. But that's what I mean. Yeah.

For me, I can't do it anymore. Maybe future, you know, with the printing that they do now, the 3D printing. Maybe they can make an exact copy of my spine and then they can still do it. Put it back in there. It will be something, but that's scary. Imagine that. They cut your spine out and put a fucking titanium one in. My daughter, my oldest daughter, just told me, my ex-wife, she's going to have to do the lower back.

She's got like two or three fusions they're going to need to do. But she's going to have to do the lower back she's got like two or three fusions they're going to need to do but she's going to do disc replacement as well yeah disc replacement is legit now you know Braulio Estima

Brazilian Jiu Jitsu black belt very famous Jiu Jitsu guy he's got one in his neck he was the first guy that I ever heard about it he fucked his neck up really bad and then won the Worlds

with a fucked up neck and then right after the Worlds went and got it operated on got a fake disc where did he do it because he's from brazil did he do brazil he did it in europe because he lives in he lives in england germany will be uh i would let the germans look at my neck they're really good they're far advanced yeah well they you know we got really fucked up with um during the bush administration they they put a ban on all stem cell research. They kind of halted the brakes on funding stem cell research,

which is really a shame because now we're realizing stem... Because they used to think that stem cells had to do with babies, like fetuses. They were thinking people were going to get abortions just so they could use the stem cells.

But now they realize that mesenchymal stem cells and adult stem cells are some of the best. And one of the things they're doing in America now is sucking fat out of people, taking liposuction, and then using the stem cells from your own body to proliferate injured

areas. I did it two weeks ago for my knees. Did you? But yeah, I have no fat though, so I had to take it out of my hip bone. You know, they drill a hole in there. Oh, right. They take the marrow. Yeah, they take the bone marrow. And it's unfortunate because in the fat, apparently you have five times more the amount of stem cells than you have in the bone marrow. People out there that are fat are pumped to hear that. They're like, yes.

See? I told you. I have it for a reason. That's why I did it. Just if I ever get injured, I've got a store of medicine. That's why Tank Abbott never got injured. Even if he did, he wouldn't know. Yeah.

What is that guy doing these days? I have no clue. I know he wrote a book. That was the last time he had it on the inside of MMA. Oh, you guys had him on? Yeah. I mean, that's five years ago. I fucking love that guy.

That guy was a fucking character. I mean, if it wasn't for guys like Tank Abbott, I mean, there would have been no early days. Yeah. You know? I mean, you needed a guy like that. Yeah. You need to identify with him. A lot of these crazy guys out there,

see, he can do it, I can do this. Yeah. That's what you need. Yeah, he had a giant bell in him. He would knock people dead. Yeah. He was like Roy Nelson, only with no stamina. Yeah.

And no black belt. No black belt in jiu-jitsu. Yeah. Well, Roy Nelson is a fucking complete anomaly. Yeah, he is. Who looks like that? Why can't he lose weight? How is it possible that he trains so hard?

I've seen this guy throw around like 130, 155 pound kettlebells. Like one arm swings. Ring, ring, ring. Like it's nothing. You would lose weight, right? You would think. He would be a 185 pound phenom. Instead, he's a heavyweight.

He's a big contender in Bellator. Maybe it's an implant in the belly that he just wants to do that. He calls it the Buddha belly implant. You can just kick him and he doesn't even feel it. He's wearing a chest pad. Can you imagine if someone did that? I mean, if girls get fake boobs, let's think about this. Because girls do get fake boobs and they fight.

Girls have got, I don't want to mention any't mention any names wink wink but we've seen it girls have had no boobs and all of a sudden they had boobs you can get fake boobs and still fight but what about a fake belly what about a guy that says i just like a i like a belly i like looking good you know if if a guy had a fake belly i was gonna try to see if he could hit it to the back. So I make a hunchback out of him. See if he can move the belly with a hook to the back. Wow. Lower back. We never had one like that.

Right. You know? I mean, the hunchback from Notre Dame, that's a high. Right. But you never saw a hunchback from the bottom. Right. Like lower back. We can make that.

Like a lumbar pad. He can work as a lumberjack. Yeah. Yeah, sleeps all night and he works all day. Like if you look at Roy Nelson, he's like the size of a really good middleweight. Yeah, no, he is. Yeah. But meanwhile, the guy knocked out Chuck Congo, knocked out Brendan Schaub, knocked out some big fucking heavyweights. Yeah. Knocked out Mitrione.ed out Brendan Schaub. Knocked out some big fucking heavyweights.

Knocked out Mitrione. I mean, fucking... He's an animal. Nelson knocked out a lot of people, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Steven Struve, right, also? Did he knock out Steven Struve? I think it was.

I do not remember that fight. And the worst thing is, it's with his right hand. So you would think that people are going to hilt the left up. Yeah. But somehow he connects anyway. It's like Ronda with the arm bars. You know it's going to happen. You can't stop it.

Almost knocked out Overeem. Remember that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He hurt Overeem. Yep, Stefan's true. Bam. Jesus Christ. Crazy.

Yeah. I mean, Roy's like six feet tall. Stefan's true, seven feet tall. Yeah. I mean, Roy's like six feet tall. Stefan's true, seven feet tall. I mean, fucking animal. Roy's an animal. Honestly, I mean, look at his gut right there. How much is that? He weighs about 250, right?

I'm not bullshitting. Yep, there we go. He is 50 pounds overweight. And he's a world-class athlete. I mean, you cannot say that Roy Nelson's not a world-class fighter. He's's a world class athlete. I mean, you cannot say that Roy Nelson is not a world class fighter. He's absolutely a world class fighter. And he's 50 pounds overweight.

So you drop down 50 pounds. Now you're 200 pounds. You make 85. You cut weight. Everybody does that. Cut 15 pounds. You're 85. You're a world champion. You know, there's nothing. Butterbean. You know, we were somewhere. And an Atlantic commissioner told me from all the boxes on the card

he had actually the best blood pressure and cholesterol. What? For real, he said. We were in shock that the guy is in a phenomenal shape. That's what he told us. That's insane. Butterbean made him look like Jair Rodriguez.

Look at him. Jesus Christ. Actually, he looks good there. His whole family looks exactly like that, I hear. Go upper right-hand corner. Yeah, that's what he looked like when he was at his worst. Meanwhile, he's another guy. Knocked dudes dead.

Man, he is so funny. I had such a good time with him. And Prince George in Canada, he was there. He's a player. Is he? oh yeah that's hilarious very funny guy that's funny

you know he's a fucking hell of a cook apparently you can't tell but like there's I was watching a video

of Butterbean cooking some ribs and I was like damn that looks legit like he had a smoker he was cooking them in a smoker

he broke the rule, though. Don't get high of your own supply. So tell me about this karate combat thing you're doing. We've seen the videos of it. Yeah. I like the fighting surface. Cool, right? Fighting in a pit.

It's a great idea. Oh, and did you watch it? Yes. I mean, what they do with the colors. You know, when it's fighting, it's like a little reddish and the Turks dark purple when there's a break. You're going to run up that hill out of the pit a little bit. But I like it a lot. Yeah, because you can use the wall as well, that 45 angle degree there to jump up like Pater's would do.

You know, you can use it to put yourself to improve in the fight. So I think it's really great. I think the rules as well. They kept everything on distance, long shots, long punches, the hooks, the moasichukis, you know, which are pretty, so they allow hooks.

They wanted to stay away from uppercuts, elbows and knees just before the cutting and they don't want to make it bloody. So they understand that, you know, you show that everything is technique, of course, but for people who have been complaining, I mix up martial arts, I can't understand the ground and some other arts out there

too complicated. Well, this has been around for such a long time. Everybody knows karate. If you find out how many people did karate, I mean, when they grew up, look at this. It's a beautiful picture. The way it's filmed as well, if you the camera, this one camera goes behind the people.

It's almost like a movie. The one camera angle they had from above, I said, okay, we're going to stop with that one. That was the only one. But they did. They stopped. And then they have the heads-up display. That is also something that nobody had ever before. That environment is perfect.

It's like a movie. That's how it should be. That's how MMA should be fought. It should be fought in an open space. I feel like the cage is too much of a tool. Like, you could use the cage. You pin a guy to the cage, and you could beat him up in the clinch, like Randy Couturo used to do. You could use

the cage to get back up if somebody takes you down. If you get taken down in this, you get taken down. Like, that's it. You know? You're going to have to get up with skill. Like, real skill to see if you can get up. The only thing about this is if you were in the distance. If it was quite a distance away, it seems

like, oh, you can throw guys? You can throw, and then once they hit the ground, you can't clinch, but the person on top who just threw you can rain down strikes for five seconds from a squatted position, so you can't go down there. And I already saw fights getting finished like that. So it's a very effective technique.

Why only five seconds? Because then they go back on their feet. They just want to keep everything short. And the more attractive for the audience, the better it is. It's like, for instance, now the knees are not in. But, you know, we were already talking about knees to the body. That could maybe be a really good thing, especially because takedowns are there. So now you can use it against the takedown is that a

Bitcoin logo yes Bitcoin is one of their sponsors really yep Bitcoin blowing up now can they leg kick a leg kick below the knee and I've been talking to them also this is the good thing about this organization that's why I really enjoyed working with them is that they're open to suggestions. They're open to rule changes. We're going to just see what happens right now. And if the urge comes up, they say, yeah, we should add low kicks, then we're going to start adding low kicks above the knee as well. Right now, they do it below the knee, just like they do it in the UFC as well.

Well, the UFC has above the knee. Yeah, he has everything. But, I mean, we see it a lot in the UFC happening now with those low, because actually they break the bones, right? The fibula, that will snap. And with a low kick, that won't happen. It will just jam your leg and your leg. Yeah.

Well, also, you can't condition the lower leg the same way you can condition the upper leg. Your upper leg gets used to taking a beating, and some guys can just take low kicks. Yeah. But not that low calf kick is debilitating. It's annoying, and especially if you do it just after a front kick. Somebody gives you a front kick, you tap it to the side, and you immediately kick it, so when the muscle is still relaxed, it'll go straight through.

That's when something breaks, if you can't flex. Yeah, we've seen over the last few years, that's a devastating technique. Now, are they wearing shin pads? No, no shin pads, only these tiny gloves. You have them there in the back back so you can check them out. With the low kicks, the stunts, there's going to be knockouts by strikes. I like the takedowns as well. That heads-up display, it's really cool right now.

It's the first one, whoever does that, it's biometric, nutrition, training. You know, it's a DNA-based heads-up display that you can see while the fighters are busy. You get a heart rate, respiratory, what they eat, what they train before. It's all going to start happening in two weeks. It will become full circle, and then the heads display will work. What is the biometric? Like, when does that work? Are they wearing something?

They wear these little tiny things so you can see how fast they hit and what direction they head, propelling. You can pretty much see everything. It's amazing. And these gloves are awesome. I mean, they feel great. They do feel great. Yep.

Yeah, there's a lot of padding. Yep. That's pretty padded. It's much more than a UFC glove, huh? It is, but it's all... Well, you know what else, too? It seems like it gives you a curve to your hand. Which is great.

Which is an issue with the UFC, is the constant poking. Like, if you want to poke someone in the eye with this, you've got to kind of... It's like the pride gloves, right? The pride gloves used to have that curve to them, and we saw much less eye pokes in pride than we do in the UFC. You know, but I never got that anyway. In Pancras, we did open-hand strikes. I never poked anybody in the head, right? Right.

So, sometimes you have to think, is this on purpose or not? For sure, some of it's on purpose, right? It's hard to differentiate how much of it's on purpose. It really is. I said it with Jon Jones at the time, but he is so calm, so relaxed, so everything. And then I go, that almost has to be then. Yeah, I know.

You've said that before. I should have warned that thing, right? That's what you were going to say? I broke my hand. You could punch something pretty hard with this. I mean, these are great pads. Yeah. Man, this is almost like a boxing glove.

It's like a small amount of boxing glove. It's like it doesn't cover the whole area, but this is the same kind of pad. As you see, the side cut, the tsuki, you know, Mawashi tsuki, and you hit that officially with the side. Mawashi tsuki. Mawashi is roundhouse, and a tsuki is a punch, so that officially with the side. What are you calling it? Mawashi Tsuki. What is Mawashi? Mawashi is roundhouse, and a Tsuki is a punch, so it comes from the side. It's a roundhouse punch.

It's a long hook. Right. I should say that. But this is more like a ridge hand, right? Clothesline. Yeah, yeah. Clothesline, ridge hand. Right.

So you're not punching with the knuckles. You're hitting with this part of your hand? You hit with that part of the hand. Like by the thumb bone. Yeah. That's a good way to bust your shit up. I know, but that's why they keep it long long and they make sure that you see the technique. Once you start doing short hooks, then it's going to be a different story.

You're going to have very close. You're going to have knees. And people are going to be confused again. Wait a minute. You can't throw hooks? You can't throw hooks. Long hooks. What does that mean?

Like if you're in close, you can't throw a short hook? No. Not for the close distance. But think about this. Now you're close distance, you're going to have to remove yourself away. It's like a combination

I always tell my students. Right uppercut, right straight. Or right uppercut and right straight to the body. If I give a right uppercut, I'm too close for the right straight. But then, look,

I step backwards with my right and right away I create distance. But why limit punches? That seems silly. Because they want to keep it as close to karate as possible and as clean as possible.

I get it, but a left hook, like a tight hook of a guy's right there and bam. Yeah, but then they say you could also throw a left elbow, you know, and they took that out as well. Yeah, so I think this is one of these things that you're simply going to have to get used to. And think about it, with a fighter, it's more difficult for a fighter. But what do you do if a guy hits a guy with a short hook and knocks him out? I have no clue. Then the referee's going to step in. Well, if it's intentionally,

of course, that's a problem. He's going to lose. How can you make someone lose from a short hook? That seems crazy. All the fights that they had, all the fights that they had before now, already, none of it happened. So I think they're pretty close. I think they're the rules meeting.

They have a guy who's repeating it like three, four, five times in a row. He said, do not do that. And plus, these guys are karate practitioners. Right. See? So they're not even used to it. Yeah, but if they're karate practitioners in 2018, they know how to punch. Nobody's just karate anymore.

I mean, everybody knows how to throw hooks and uppercuts. But I think these rules are the closest rules to the 2020 Olympics. It's going to happen in Tokyo as well, right? Karate is going to come back in the Olympics. Is it? In the 2020, yeah, in Tokyo. Really? Oh, because it's in Tokyo.

And I think this is perfect. What kind of karate? Like Kyokushin? Like what are they doing? It's probably Shotokan, right? That's the oldest form, I would say, in Okinawa. It started there in 1938, I think. So, are they doing...

But that would be below the neck, then. Like, you can kick to the head, but you can't punch the face. We're going to have to really figure out those... But that's why I love it. With the gloves, they're probably going to be allowed to hit the face. Right, but not in the Olympics, right? I don't know. I don't know about that yet.

Yeah, because Taekwondo, they took it out as well, right? And you're going to have the headgear in boxing. Now, this is optional now, I believe. For what that yet. Yeah, because Taekwondo, they took it out as well, right? And you're going to have the headgear in boxing. Now, this is optional now, I believe. Yeah. Yeah. Well, if it's the same glove, if they make it the same weight, why would they? Are they willing to listen to you? Yes.

Talk to these people. Oh, no, I'm already talking to them. That's the greatest thing. Why does your phone keep flashing? I'm a very popular guy. I think that people are constantly. Every time you get a text, your your phone flashes like the light flashes oh i do that on the on the back because many times i have my phone like this right and then i now i can't hear it but i can see it now a big light

flash come text me text me see what happens i do that on purpose i keep my phone flat on purpose like leave me the fuck alone i don't want i don't want to look at my phone every five seconds because it's flashing. And by the way, you see, that's what I'm looking. Hooks aren't penalties anymore. So they changed it. Thank you. Thank you very much. Because that seems silly. You should be able to hook somebody.

It's a great punch. I understand if you want to eliminate elbows. Glory took out elbows. Bellator doesn't have elbows. Bellator kickboxing, rather. But I think punches should be punches. Any way you want to punch. Yeah, back fist, everything.

You can throw everything. And you can do flying as well. All the kicks are allowed. You can also, except for the low kick to the thigh, but for the rest, every kick, every jumping kick, everything. But that's, again, me talking, and we're gonna see where this is going to

they'll listen to you boss yeah they got to they got to fighters are gonna love it come on you're Dutch I wonder

how do they not have low kicks if you're in Dutch you ain't much yeah yeah that was the reason a lot of Dutch guys won remember all the way back here with the kickboxing

fuck yeah Ramon Deckers Rob Kamen Rob Kamen god damn man against Yves Thériault. Remember that fight? Yeah, man.

Yeah, those were the guys. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, man, I'm looking forward to it. If you're nowhere, what is it, April 26th in Miami

to have the first show, I'm pretty sure they will invite. I'm out of town, unfortunately. April 26th in Miami, huh? That's the first show in America?

Where were these other ones filmed? Overseas, they do Miami, huh? That's the first show in America? Where were these other ones filmed? Overseas. They do it everywhere. This will be the first show. It's free, guys. So do that as well. Also, what you can do.

Free to watch? Free to watch. To be there or to watch it on television? You go to karate.com. There's a button where you can click, watch it live. It's going to be streamed, but you also have an app. They have a really cool app because that app gives you the heads-up display. You see there, right at the top, watch live. It's going to be streamed, but you also have an app. They have a really cool app because that app gives you the heads-up display. You see there, right at the top, watch live.

Boom. That's where you click. Sign up for free streaming access to our next event. Don't have to do anything. Nice. So who's putting this together? How do you know these people? Well, they contacted me.

There's a whole bunch of guys together, a lot of karate experts as well. And I think they're side with the 2020 Olympics. And I've been talking about this also for a while. I said,

why is not anybody doing this? We had Chuck Norris doing it, right? Right. For a while. Combat League.

And I thought that was cool. And now this, when I saw this with the pit, I go, man, this,

I truly believe it's going to take off. I think a lot of people are going to enjoy this. Well, I hope so. I mean, I've been saying for the longest time that striking

sports in America, like you got boxing and then nobody pays attention to the other shit. I mean, people barely pay attention to kickboxing. It's just not nearly as popular. It doesn't, especially to me, I'm a giant fan of Muay Thai. I mean, I love watching Muay Thai and I never understood why Muay Thai wasn't more successful in the United States. I know Lion Fight had some good traction. They were doing pretty well but I don't think they're on AXS TV anymore. They stopped and I, you know,

this is, the people are asking for it. Every time. They're complaining about mixed martial arts. A lot of people because they don't understand what's going on on the ground. Now we finally have something you know, Thai boxing and they're not watching it. And Glory has's going on on the ground. Now we finally have something, you know, Thai boxing, and they're not watching it. And then Glory has the best fighters on the planet. I mean, it's an unbelievable show.

But not enough people watch it. Well, it's not mainstream enough in terms of, like, its exposure. I mean, you get it on UFC Fight Pass, which is amazing. And then you can get it on ESPN3, which is only online. And sometimes ESPN2. which is amazing, and then you can get it on ESPN3, which is only online, and sometimes ESPN2. But, you know, I think, I mean, you look, Rico Verhoeven,

and you see Jamal Ben-Siddiq, that fight, holy shit. And he said he was going to do it like that right at the end. And Ben-Siddiq caught him, too, early. I mean, Ben-Siddiq had knocked him out six years ago. That was a fucking amazing fight. If that was on television, if that fight was on TV, and the end when Rico's pouring it on and Ben Sadiq collapses in the ropes, I mean, and they're big, giant fucking guys.

I mean, that was an amazing fight. Rico is incredible. His cardio for a giant guy, you know, for a big 250-pound guy. And his technique and his distance and his ring strategy, everything. He's the complete guy. And he's a young guy.

Super smart also. Isn't he like 29? Yeah, I think so. It's like a corner, right? Going to 29 as well. Yeah. So. I mean, he's got a long future ahead of him.

You think of the amount of experience he has already. Pull up Rico Verhoeven. Glory heavyweight champion. See how old he is. I think he just had a birthday. I think he turned 29. He's a fucking beast, man. Was it?

Today he turns 29. Happy birthday, Rico. Yeah, I just don't understand. I really don't understand. I don't understand why that's not more popular. It's keeping it simple. And this now, even, you take the knees out, keep it a little bit more separate so that

people can see the technique better. It's not separated so that people can see the technique better. It's not better technique. You can see the technique better. I think we'll do a lot of good. Also, a lot of kids, when they say, hey, mom, I want to watch mixed martial arts. When you're a very young kid, I don't think the parents are going to allow that. There's still that little, you know, they don't know. Karate?

Oh, please, go. Watch. Did you see this crazy shit? They're talking about Conor McGregor fighting Floyd Mayweather with no shoes on in an MMA cage with MMA gloves. You can clinch, but no takedowns, no knees, no elbows, no kicks, no submissions. But clinch. You can clinch. You can fight from the clinch. Yeah, but, you know, Mayweather is an animal there also.

Yeah. But still, come on, let a kick, one kick be illegal. A kick, it would end it. If he had kicks, that would be the difference. That's it. But Conor, even fighting from the clinch, you could tie him up. You could tie him up and hold on to him and hit him like Randy Couture style. him and hit him like Randy Couture style.

You remember when Shane Carwin fought Frank Mir and tied him up and just obliterated him with uppercuts? Just boom, boom. Shane was a monster. But then again, he chooses to stand there. I don't think that Mayweather is going to choose to stand there. If he gets grabbed, he pops out. Why not? There's no knees.

It's not like he pulls him to the knee and he gets kneed in the face. You see what I mean? But he can clinch with him. If he can clinch with him, they're standing on the outside, and Conor can grab a hold of him. How is Mayweather going to shake him off? He's not going to. Like, if Conor decides to just wrap a hold of one of his arms, just get him in an overhook,

and just start punching him in the face, Floyd's fucked. His whole thing is boxing. His whole thing is boxing nobody's his shoulder rolls moves He's not gonna be able to stop Connor from grabbing him Connor's a bigger stronger guy if he grabs Floyd by the back of the neck and holds him in place and punches him in the Face Floyd's fucked. I don't think he understands when you say the clinch is okay if you could strike from the clinch He's fucked I'll put my money on Connor all day if he can strike from the clinch, he's fucked. I'll put my money on Conor all day if he can strike from the clinch.

Now, if they just have MMA fight with boxing gloves, or a boxing fight with MMA gloves, rather, that is a different thing. That's a different animal, and I think Floyd's just so much better than him. That's what I thought that you meant. No, no, no. I mean, clinching. What I read, the only difference, they're not going to let him kick, they're not going to let him punch, not going to let him elbow or knee or takedown or submissions, but they'll let him clinch

and punch from the clinch. Just that alone. That's a game changer. Just that alone. Yeah, I don't know. I'm going to have to see that. Because, you know, Floyd's going to know. They're going to work on that as well. He's going to work on those defenses. He's an incredible athlete.

I mean, there's only a few things. This is not like he's going to have to learn the whole game. Yeah, but holding onto someone and punching them is such a different it's just a completely different chapter. Yeah, but as soon as you hold onto somebody that means you incapacitated your own arm as well. You don't have the defense there as well.

So Mayweather can start attacking him. Also, it's a one-hand fight. It's literally ice hockey. Right? If you think about it. It's a grab and they start hitting each other. Sort him. Also, it's a one-hand fight. It's literally ice hockey, right? If you think about it. They grab and they start hitting each other. Sort of, yeah, yeah, yeah. But smaller gloves. Conor will have more impact with his punches.

That's true. And he's so much more used to fighting from the clinch like that where you can hold and hit at the same time. I'm interested in that fight. What about foot stomps? You know what? That's what last time I heard somebody say. The always what about foot stomps you know what that's what last time I heard

somebody say the always super effective foot stomps give me one fight that never got stomped with a foot stomp never ever

it's annoying it's annoying have you ever fought where somebody's foot stomped you no never no did you ever foot stomp anybody

no no I think I'm one of those guys who would do it back and that's why they didn't do it Marco who else was like the first guy to introduce that was yeah. Yeah, you did that. Yeah. Yeah Marco foot stomped She got a bunch of notes here man. Yeah, I know I do. I just spread out. This is one of my my pet things I'm throwing it out because you know going back to karate and with

With reading about it all to get all the terms back. That's, you know, so that's why I'm going here. Like the Moshi Gears, we knew that Ura Moshi Gears, Toby Ura Moshi Gears, all those kicks you see, but you should know this and you know this.

You're just messing with me. I'm a Taekwondo background. Oh, that's true. You got the Chucky's. Oh, Ap Chucky. Ap Chucky. Dojo Chucky. Yap Chucky.

Yeah. Yeah, we got the Chucky's, we got the Geary's. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So how many events are they going to do a year of this? It's a whole bunch. They're going to spread them out all over the place. For the people, what I would say, it's just karate.com.

What a great domain name, by the way, as well, right? Yeah, I think that. To have that. Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. That must have been expensive as fuck. I think so, too. But they have it. Go there for all your favorite fighters.

Check it out. Karate.com. Karate.com. Yeah, that's a big one. That's a big thing to have. Yeah, I know. Holy shit. Who the fuck owns Jiu-Jitsu.com?

Jiu-Jitsu.com. What a website that must be. To own that? Yeah, well, I think there's other ones out there that give you even more. You know? Nakedgirls.com. That gives you a lot of money.

That's a lot of money. Way more than karate.com, I think. Like sex.com. Oh, that's crazy. Don't even click on it. You'll get a bunch of pop-ups and viruses and shit. A friend of mine does that.

What is this, Jamie? Makeup.com sold for $2 million. Rodeo.com and karate.com for $500,000 total. My body bought nude.com for $2 million. Rodeo.com and Karate.com for $500,000 total. My body bought Nude.com for $2 million. Three weeks later, sold it for $8 million. Three weeks. That's what he does.

Buying domain names. Yeah. Smart. Can you imagine going back in time? Oh, my God. Like, writing all the domain names down. Yeah, nobody even saw any of this shit coming. Didn't business.com go for, like, $ website. Writing all the domain names down. Yeah, nobody even saw any of this shit coming. Didn't business.com go for like 10 million bucks?

Something crazy? Who the fuck is going to business.com? I wouldn't give you a nickel for that shit. Who the fuck's going to business.com? What are you doing there? I'm going to do business. That's stupid. If you're doing business, you don't go looking at business.com.

That doesn't even make any sense. That's a worthless fucking domain. I bet that's a ghost town. I bet no one's going to business.com. Business.com. That doesn't even make any sense. That's a worthless fucking domain. I bet that's a ghost town. I bet no one's going to business.com. Business.com. What is it? Know your business. Grow your business.

Fuck off. Do it different. Do B-U-Z-N-I-S. Yeah, even that. Business. No one's going to that. You go to that, it's a porn site. You can't spell.

Yeah, you're an idiot. Triple X. You go to that. It's a Nigerian scammer telling you you've won a bunch of money. It starts glowing up. You get a telephone call. Exactly. Yeah.

So where did this originate? What country started this? Well, karate. Japan. No, no, no. I mean this event. No clue. I'm going to meet these people face to face for the very first.

No, no, no. Because I've been doing commentary, and I met some people from the organization because I did some commentary over some fights together with Phoenix Carnevale. She's there also. She's great. She was doing a lot of stuff for Lion Fight. I met her and her boyfriend in New York.

Vic, yeah. Not this last UFC in New York, but in the past. I got her tickets for the UFC. She's excellent. Really good. Post-fight interviews and she's doing commentary with you. Yes. Perfect. She's very knowledgeable. Yeah, no, it was great.

And we pulled it off right away, so that's why we met these people there. We did it in Long Island when I was filming there. Nice. And so now I'm going to see them in Miami. In Long Island as well? No, no, no. We just did it in my hotel. So you did commentary like watching it on screen?

Is that what it was? Watching it on screen. Had some people coming in with special microphones. So we tuned it up, you know, that it was exactly the same. You did that a bunch of times for Pride, right? Where you were in America and you were doing commentary for events that were happening in Japan? Yeah. And they were live.

So we do the commentary right over it, live. What was that like? It was weird? No, it's not weird at all. But I hope that the speed was up, you know, because if you see an armbar coming, that I never knew. I never re-watched it again to say you know, when an armbar is happening, I say he's setting up an armbar, you know.

If that delay is five seconds or ten seconds, yeah, you have a problem. But I don't think it is, because they stream it out, they shoot it out from the studio. So it's like you're watching the fights live. That's it. Wasn't there some that you guys did where the fights had already happened and you knew the results? Oh, I did that with Steven Cuadros.

We did the first 10, I believe, Pride shows. You know, before 2000, it wasn't sent out on pay-per-view. Right, yeah, yeah, yeah. So they asked us to do those shows. Man, I remember sitting there in Holland to a sitting with Red Bull we had stack remember those pills that makes you Jesus we were like heart attack pills oh we was it was so funny quarters got so crazy he's so hilarious when he gets in his zone you know he

started suddenly I'm watching a fight and I hear, and I look to the side, he's eating a green apple in front of the microphone. No, but this is eight hours in. We're watching really boring stuff also. Oh, this was, by the way, this was not Pride. We did Pride,

but then we did on top of that, we did another one as well. Pride we did here. That's what we did here in America with Bud Brutsman. And the other show we did on top of that, we did another one as well. Pride we did here. That's what we did here in America with Bud Brutsman. And the other show we did in Holland with all these old, crazy Russian guys who had like an A and an E in their name and the rest was V-P-S-T-R-M-Z. I would call him the guy with the red hair or the guy with the red pants because I couldn't pronounce their names.

Yeah, there's some guys in the UFC that when I read their names at the weigh-ins, I have to pause and try to put it together, like some of them. It's hard. And you don't want to butcher them. And then you have these guys, like the fans, right? They say, oh, you butchered so-and-so's name. I say, what do you say, Bas Rutten? Yeah, you just butchered my name.

It's Bas Rutten. It's not Rutten. Is that how you're supposed to say it? Yeah, it's not Ernesto my name. It's Bas Rutten. It's not Rutten. Is that how you're supposed to say it? Yeah, it's not Ernesto Hoest. It's Ernesto Host. It's Pieter Aerts. It's not Pieter Aerts. You know, you see, I mean, if you really want to start, we asked Fedor one time, what does

your mother call you? He says Fyodor. I said, we call you Fyodor. We did that on Pride. Everybody, you're butchering his name. I said, his mom calls him like that. That's what we asked. Well, Mauro was the only one that would call him that.

Mauro always called him Fyodor. Fyodor is, Mauro is very precise with that kind of stuff. Mauro's excellent. Yeah. Yeah, he really is. He's great at that. It's so nice to see him doing all those big time boxing matches too. Yeah.

You know, he's a good guy. That guy, if you sit next to him, it's what people say, oh, it's fake as this. Trust me, that's what they say. That's how he talks, Boss Fruits. Oh, he gets in his own bubble. And then, you know, if I look at him, I can put my hand in front of his face. If he's in the zone, he doesn't see anything. He only sees the fight and he's going to town.

And everybody steps away and just looks at him. No, he's designed for it. He's designed for that. Love it. He's doing WWE, too, right? Yeah, he's insane. He does everything. He does WWE. He's designed for that. Love it. He's doing WWE, too, right? Yeah, he's insane. He does everything. So he does WWE.

He's doing Showtime Boxing. Does he do any MMA anymore? Oh, no. The Bellator. Does he still do that? I believe he did. He does a lot of the Bellators now. So he does some of the Bellators?

I think so. I think the big shows probably. Because a lot of them, Goldberg's doing now. Yeah. Yeah, they got a whole crazy team there. And Jimmy's over at the UFC. Jimmy's with us now. Yeah.

I got him a gig at the UFC. Nice. Yeah. We worked together for the first time this Saturday night. It was great. Yeah, good. He's a good guy. He's a great guy.

He's fucking excellent. He's an excellent commentator. I tried to get the UFC to hire him four years ago. So for me to be there Saturday night sitting next to Jimmy, I was like, look at this, man. We're hugging. We did it. We made it happen.

That is so cool. Here we are. It was perfect too because we're friends. It was very easy. The commentary flowed very nice together. We had a good time.

That's what happened also with me and Mauro. There's his friends and you say, try it out. It's the best. It's just a conversation. Right. Well, that's why me and Goldberg worked so well for so long say, try it out. It's the best. And then it's just a conversation. Right.

Well, that's why me and Goldberg worked so well for so long, because we're so tight. It's so easy. So easy. But whatever, the UFC and him didn't see eye to eye for whatever reason. It's a bummer. Yeah. But I love Anik, too. Anik's a great guy.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, there's a lot of good guys. And what the fans should know is that a play-by-play guy doesn't need to know everything. He doesn't need to know the techniques. That's why we are the experts, the caller guys. Because I have so many people that say, oh, why don't you take Goldberg's place? I say, I'm a caller guy. He's a play-by-play.

He's a completely different animal. That's a hard gig. Yeah, especially for TV. If you've got to go to commercials and do all that kind of stuff, it's much harder. Anik and Goldberg, those guys are wizards at that stuff. Yeah. That is a hard job. It's way harder than our job.

Our job of doing color, we see the fight, we call it. We call it. We already do it. And we've been doing martial arts our whole life. Yeah. We know what's happening. So we see it. We go, oh, that's a roundhouse kick.

Oh, he's going to get the triangle. Oh, he's getting out. He's free. He's out. We're watching it, he's going to get the triangle. Oh, he's getting out. He's free. He's out. We're watching it in real time. They have to prepare. I mean, they're preparing everything like long in advance and practicing and going over, okay, turn to page seven, beat 152.

You got to introduce monster energy drink and they're stepping into the monster prep point. Screaming in the airs the whole time. You hear it? It's a fucking hard gig hear it it's a hard gig it's a hard gig they're the coordination and traffic cop and making sure that everything runs smoothly so kenny kenny rice he's insane he does 26 professional sports like at the highest level i mean he did football they never did it my buddy calls me he says boss how many times did

you do football so what do you mean he says he could be the best guy I've ever heard. I said, that is the first time. He's insane. When he came to the International Fight League, he never did mixed martial arts. Same as with Mauro. Never did mixed martial arts. But within two shows, it's insane.

But they learn. Mauro got the DVD set. Kenny gets the DVD set. And they actually watch it. They start learning about it. And they actually watch it. They start learning about it. Right. And then they get it, you know? Yeah.

And they leave it. They ask you questions. Like, boss, what should he do? Yep. Boss, is he in trouble? You know, what's going on here? Yep. Yeah.

Are you still doing it for, it used to be World Combat League. I mean, no. What was the? World Series of Fighting. World Series of Fighting. And now it's Professional Fighters League Are you still doing that? Yes, June, we're going to start

That's nice, and so they still have John Is John Fitch in Bellator now? I don't know I feel like Fitch might have just went to Bellator That would be not a smart move because they're going to come at the million dollar price If you win this season in every weight class you're going to get a million dollars

Oh really? Oh, no kidding That's going to be a nice little pull. If that's 100% still in place, I think that John will stay. I don't know. I feel like John just went to Bellator. See if you Google John Fitch Bellator. I know Benson Henderson, Roger Huerta.

Obviously, they have Rory McDonald. He's, in my opinion, one of the best, if not the best, Walter Wade in the world. So that's a big deal for them to have him, as is Douglas Lima. And Musashi. March 1st, signed with Bellator. March 1st, signed with Bellator. Oh, wow. Damn.

I wonder if he knew. They must have came with a large cheddar. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's true. Bellator brought him some cheddar. That's true. He him some cheddar That's true He's got a big name you know Yeah There it is

John Fitch signs with Bellator Well John's 40 years old now Right How old is John If you had to guess February 24th It's a great day to be born Is it

Yeah it was Is that you Yeah How old is he 40 Bam 40 yeah Look at me

I know shit I've been Watching John fight Since he was in his 20s. That's crazy. Time flies, baby. I know. Fuck. If I go back. Crazy.

Dude, I had a poster of you from the first time you fought in the UFC. They gave me one of those posters that said the world's greatest martial artist. Yeah. And it was you fighting for the UFC when you fought Toshiko Saka. Yeah. Remember that? They asked me one of those posters that said the world's greatest martial artist. Yeah. And it was you fighting for the UFC when you fought Toshiko Saka. Yeah. Remember that? They asked me. I said, they messed up right there.

They forgot a word. I told them specifically the world's greatest looking martial artist, but they forgot that word. Yeah. They were hyping it up big time. Yeah. Yeah. That was cool.

What a time that was. Peretti. Yeah. He came over to Japan at the time, was fighting to check me out, and he said, they want you in the UFC, so can you come over there? You know, someone just said something online.

Someone said something about me talking shit about John Peretti, which could not be further from the truth. Some guy left a comment on Twitter. I was like, you're out of your fucking mind. I never said a bad thing about that guy in my life. I love John Peretti, and I used to love his commentary, even when people hated him. We were saying things like, ride him like a pony. He was riding someone like a pony.

Right? He mounts him like a pony. I always thought Peretti was great. He called it like he saw it. He fucking had a deep background in martial arts, world kickboxing champion, black belt in jiu-jitsu. I loved that guy. He knew everything. And he would say whatever

he wanted to say. He doesn't care. No politician stuff. Where do people get things sometimes? And then it becomes like some sort of a weird rumor. I didn't respond to the guys like, you know, you should stop talking shit about John Peretti. I'm like, when ever?

When ever did I do that? You remember the boss with an invitational. We did that a long time ago. It was a lot of great fights. Nate Marquardt, O2 men. I mean, Jens Pulver. Everybody was on those cuts. It was in Colorado.

It was in, I think, 99, something around that time. There was one time we had a 16-man tournament. You had to fight four times. And Pulver actually lost in the finals to a guy who he never heard from. That was weird because Pulver became huge. Anyway, Ron Waterman is fighting this out of shape, out of big guy. And Peretti is the, because I got Peretti as the matchmaker because I knew if I have Peretti as the referee,

if I have the referee, everybody's going to come because they want to show off in front of the UFC matchmaker. And then they're going to fight an out thing. The boss with the invitational. So he's fighting Ron Waterman. And he goes to Ron Waterman and he says, listen, this guy doesn't have a lot

of skills. Don't go too hard. Could you please don't do too crazy? So Ron takes him down right away. He's on top and he loads up and he goes very gentle, starts hitting him like a gentle giant, like really not hard. And Peretti walks in, breaks it up and he says, okay, it's over.

The big guy on bottom jumps up and he gets in Peretti's face. The corner jumps over Roby, get in Peretti's face and they start yelling, yelling at his bull crap, bull crap. Everybody gets super aggressive and Peretti goes suddenly, okay, okay, you want to fight? Yeah, okay.

Okay, we restart the fight. And they restart the fight and he walks to Waterman, he says, do anything you want to do. Oh no. Oh yeah. Ron Waterman was a fucking gorilla. He was a gorilla.

Dude, he takes that guy down. He mounts him like a pony. He starts hitting him. Peretti, looking in the audience. He's looking away. Oh, no. Now the guy gets hit. He gets mauled.

Bong, bong. And he's looking in the audience far away, and suddenly he looks back. He goes, oh, oh, I'm sorry, break. Rob, stop fighting. The guy's all bashed up, and he he looks back, he goes, oh, oh, I'm sorry, break. Rob, stop fighting. The guy's all bashed up, and he walks to the corner, and he says, it's your fault. You did this. And then he walked off.

Yeah. Take no prisoners. To early days. You could do that stuff. Yeah, man. It was crazy times. Remember when they had that one just submission only thing, and they had Olympic wrestlers versus MMA fighters.

And I think Matt. Oh, Matt Hume won by heel hook, right? The first one. We talked about this before. The gold medalist, Jackson? I think he. No, no, no. It was the other one.

Kenny Monday. Kenny Monday. Yeah. Yep. And Frank Shamrock fought Dan Henderson. Zinoviev was there. Was Zinoviev in that one too? Zinoviev was.

He was an animal. Yeah. He was was there. Was that him? Zinoviev in that one, too? Zinoviev was a... He was an animal. He was in World... What was it? Extreme Combat. That was it. That was the Peretti show. Yeah.

He was the guy who tapped Mario Osperi. And Peretti at the time already had weight classes. Yeah. Remember? He was far ahead of his time. Look at Matt. Look at Matt. He was a fucking stud.

I know him like this. He had Maurice Smith in his corner. Yeah. That was Pankrus. Old days, man. The old days. Yeah. Yeah. Play stud. I know him like this. Like Maury Smith in his corner. Yeah, that was... Old days, man. The old days. Yeah. Yeah, play this. This was interesting.

Because back then, these wrestlers thought that just be... And Dan Gable was one of the guys that was doing commentary. It was really fascinating. Because Dan Gable thought that if you were on the bottom, you should be losing. Yeah. You know, they had that wrestler's mentality. Well, you know, you took the guy down. Look at that!

Baba Booey! That's hilarious! Is that a perm? Gary Delabate is the fucking ring card guy. Look at that. Kenny Monday. Tank. Olympic wrestler. Kevin Jackson right behind him there.

They go at it and he's got his knuckles up which is weird because they're not they're not boxing so he's like trying to wrestle him and matt hume barefoot kenny's wearing shoes they matt hume what a fucking martial artist that guy is oh super smart what a coach do amazing well you see it now in what he's done with Mighty Mouse. I mean, you realize what depth of knowledge this guy has. Not to take anything away from Mighty Mouse. Of course, he's got a tremendous amount of knowledge, too. But the fact that Matt Hume was able to take this guy.

So he just drops down on purpose. On purpose. And now he's going to start working. Oh, yes. He went for it. That's hilarious. That's not a good thing against a guy who knows leg locks. Not only that, while you're wearing shoes.

Toeholds. That's what's really stupid about it. He's going to do a toehold? Oh yeah, he's going toehold, that's it. Yeah, 54 toeholds. Tap, tap, tap. Nice. That was attacking the ankle and the knee.

That was both. Because his knee was twisted up too. I saw John Loeber in Pancras with a toehold, broke his shin bone. Yeah. I remember that Jason DeLucia, I just walked into the arena. I said, did he just broke his shinbone? And he walked back and he looks at me because he's up next. And he says, what happened to the word ow?

He said to me. Because Lober just kept on fighting. With a broken shin? Yeah, you see the leg all flapping left and right. And he jumps on his opponent. He's another forgotten guy. Guy's an animal. Yeah, he was. The olden days.

The olden days. There were some fucking crazy fights when you go back then. And look at those olden days. Yeah, I remember we were talking about Eve Edwards. Eve Edwards. He was on the podcast last week. Oh, and he was underground fighting. And I remember it was a tank.

Edward was there. I remember that they, okay, so this is what happened. The athletic commission is there. The police is there to check. So John Loeber goes into the cage with another guy with their jeans on, and they start wrestling. So the athletic commission, the police sees jeans on and they start wrestling so the Atlantic Commission the police sees that and they think that is what's going to happen tonight they leave

they lock the doors DJ comes on he says okay they're gone we can fight ladies and gentlemen like people from porn industry start throwing porn DVDs in the audience was the wildest place right so he was fighting and he's mounting this guy. And he sits next to the cage. And I'm standing. I mean, I'm a foot away from him. Because I'm standing next to the cage. And the cage is raised.

And he's raining down straight, straight, straight, straight, straight, straight. And I go, Eves. And he stops punching. And he looks at me. I say, hook straight, dude. And he goes, hook straight, out. Knocked him out immediately. Not only straights, he immediately listened, hook straight, knocked the guy out.

The old days. Well, good days, though. Yeah, man. Well, it's amazing to be a part of something that developed like that. Because there's no other sport where you go back to 1993 and then look at it in 2018 and it's almost unrecognizable. You know? I mean, martial arts, mixed martial arts in particular. I mean, if you look at what martial arts were,

there was a lot of great Thai boxers back then, of course. There was a lot of great kickboxers. But the difference between the mixed martial arts from 93 to 2018, it's a totally different world. It's a completely different world. In the beginning, if you knew it all, well, you're going to win, you know? But there wasn't anybody who knew it all back then. Not a lot, yeah.

There was a few guys that had, you know, a good base of knowledge in some of the other sports, but mostly they were specialists. They were either a wrestler or a karate guy. One Glove. Yeah. Arch Emerson. Arch Emerson.

Remember, I remember Kent telling me about the event. They were in the back, and they thought that it was still going to be a work. You know, a lot of people. And then the first fight went on, and it was Gordo against the sumo guy. Oh, and he kicked his teeth into the crowd. He said, boss, it got really great backstage. So guys thought it was fake? They thought at any moment still somebody could come in

and say, hey, okay, you're going to have to lose, you're going to have to win. And at that moment, that happened, everybody was like, oh crap.

Why did they think that? I don't know. I think there was... Just a couple guys who didn't know, like that ninja guy that got beat up by Pat Smith. Remember that guy

who was like a ninjitsu guy? Oh yeah, with the pressure point guy. Well, he did all this crazy shit like in his, like, you know,

they had the preparation reels they showed how they're preparing. He's like, throwing guys out, hitting them with all this crazy shit. Like in his, you know, they had the preparation reels. They showed how they're preparing. He's like throwing guys out, hitting them with all this crazy shit. And then he got in there with Pat Smith. Yeah. He's a fucking badass kickboxer. And Pat smashed him and then got on top of him. Oh, five, six elbows.

Elbowed his face. That's where the blood comes back up, right? Oh, it was horrible. It was horrible. And it was back in the day when they didn't just stop the fight. Yeah, but that's the reason I didn't want to fight in the UFC in the first moment. Ken asked me about it. I said, we'll never do that.

He said, why? I said, I need a referee. He said, everybody can. The guys who say, oh, I brought a die indication. Okay, good luck with that. Not me, dude. I have a family. I like my life very much.

I don't like to die. I said, as soon as there's a referee who can actually step in, I would like to do it. There was a referee that was there when you tapped to stop it. But you had to tap. But if you got knocked out, they just keep beating you up. You know, and what John said, because when John drew the line, I believe it was with Tank Abbott, Tank Abbott got beat up really bad. He looked at the corner to throw the towel.

They turned his back to him. Later on, when he went to them, they said, well, if we would have stopped it, Tank was going to beat us up. That's what he told us.

So that's why we didn't throw a towel. And that's the moment he said, okay, I'm going to have to step in here because otherwise

someone's going to die. Yeah, it could have easily happened in those early ones. You know, the early UFCs. The kick, the first kick

from Gerard Godot. Well, how about Orlando Veit veep oh the elbows and well not just that well oh that's right on him yeah rimco took him down got him in a scarf hold and just elbowed him completely unconscious boom boom boom just kept hitting him while he was out but orlando like was one of the first real legit strikers. Oh. I mean, fucking nasty Muay Thai.

Powerful guy. And not a big guy either. Like 180 pounds. It was crazy. He had some wars. I forgot. Hippolyte. Ivan Hippolyte and Orlando Witt.

I think they fought a whole bunch of times. Muay Thai. Muay Thai with elbows. If those guys were fighting in Holland and theapeta, look, I got goosebumps now. We were there, man. That was flying elbows. I mean, from the clinch, he would jump up and then rain down elbows to the collarbones,

to the top. I mean, yeah, complete animal. Hippolyte, too. Because that went back and forth. He would win, then we would win. Then Hippolyte would win. Constantly back and forth. So that's why it was so interesting for us.

Yeah, if you're just getting into Muay Thai now and you're just hearing about it the fucking day we live in today where you could just go on YouTube and find hours and hours you could fill the rest of your life just watching amazing fights yeah really yeah you can fuck yeah just find out about Giorgio Petrosian just just Google Giorgio Petrosian you know who the that? Who the fuck is that? Who the fuck is that? You go watch Giorgio the doctor baby Unreal

Italian There's only one Italian Armenian Right? Armenian though Wow Armenian from Italy Yeah

Armenians are fucking crazy man That's a wild race of people But he's But you know But he Okay But the Italian side of him Made him very calculated

Technical Right? Because Armenian Would you think Okay I'm gonna go in here I'm gonna get you But he, okay, but the Italian side of him made him very calculated. Technical. Right? Because Romanian, would you think, okay, I'm going to go in here. I'm going to get you. And he was very technical as well. Well, it's just his mind. What was his record at the time? Like 54 and 0 or something, right?

Something insane. Yeah, yeah. He got knocked out in glory. He fought that African guy. Fuck, I'm trying to remember the homeboy he fought. Somebody, Ilungu, was that who knocked him out? I forget who it was. But Giorgio was so good with angles and technique.

I mean, his technique was flawless. And if you ever watch him drill, you recognize why he was so good. I mean, he was so technical and precise in his drilling. But you see what he's doing. He's punching right away. Watch. Steps to the side. See?

He's moving while he is punching. Always. But he lands the punches with two feet on the floor still, and then he moves. That's perfect technique. Yeah. Perfect technique. Yeah. He's someone to really watch.

Like Giorgio Petrosian. Who knocked him out? See, go to his... It was a big upset. It was in New York. And it was when Glory was promoting him as, you know, who he was. And he just got caught. He got caught by a fucking vicious striker.

Well, it was not a Dutch guy, right? I think it was Daniel Elungu. Andy Ristie. Yeah, Ristie. See, that's just a Dutch guy. That's who it was. Yeah. They got him.

Yeah, Ristie's a beast. See if you can find that fight. See if you can find Andy Ristie versus... Petrosian. Georgia Petrosian. Yeah. That's who it was. That's right.

Andy Ristie can crack, too. He's dangerous. Yeah, there it is. Right in Madison Square Garden. That was a big deal for them, man, to get in Madison Square Garden. You know, like, to have that fight. Mayweather. They invited Mayweather there, remember? i heard they paid him a bunch of money to be there just to be there yeah that's hilarious how much did you have to pay him to be there that's got to be a lot yeah

and ristie's who is a great fighter in his own but risty's a guy who's really good for a couple rounds and he who he would fade and he lost yeah i forget who he lost to but he lost by tko because he faded he faded in the last round but it's the fast twitch fibers you know once you're explosive you're really good in the first few rounds and you're gonna have to really doze make sure that you spread out yeah all your. But if your opponent is pushing it and is forcing you to brawl, yeah, you're going to run out of gas. Yeah, I don't remember what it was that caught him. I believe it was a punch. He got kicked in the nuts.

Yeah, it was a little love tap. Yeah. I don't remember what happened here. There's been so many good fights. Glory, like I said, I'm a Giant fan, and I think it's one of the most underrated organizations in all of combat sports. And they have a great, like, library of, oh, there it is. There it is.

Left hand. Left hand. Boom. Caught him. Wow. Crazy. Crazy to see George. Rewind that back for a second.

It didn't even look like that big of a shot. Look at this. Just perfect placement. Boom, uppercut. Like sort of a hook uppercut. Yeah. Yeah. Like he stepped into it, switched to southpaw, caught him with a left hand.

Fucking A. Who did it? Let me pull up Andy Ristie's. I think, I don't want to, it wasn't, I'm trying to remember who beat him. Somebody beat him where he was winning early on and then he faded as the fight went on. That's a tricky thing for those super explosive guys like a Conor McGregor, you know? It is hard. O2 trainer, buddy.

Yeah. That's what I'm saying. I'm just throwing it out there. Oh, Von Roosmalen beat him, but I think Von Roosmalen beat him by decision. Oh, KO, that's what I'm saying just throwing it out there oh Van Roosmalen beat him but I think Van Roosmalen beat him by decision

oh KO that's it David Kira yeah Kira is an animal he's an animal but also Roosmalen is known for his stamina

you know his father was already William you know he was fighting when I was fighting and he's always coming forward and William was not the most technical guy

but dude the guy had heart and stamina and he would come for you. And it's very hard to fight somebody who's constantly pushing you backwards. And that's what he was doing as well with him. 100% makes him run out of gas. Yeah.

And go in for the kill. Von Roosmalen's an animal. It's just like there's such an amazing pool of talent in Glory. It's just, it's an amazing organization to watch. There's so much talent. And I don't know why it's an amazing organization to watch. There's so much talent. And why, I don't know why it's not catching on

because with, Nobody sees it. Yeah, but K-1, you would think, okay, all these people, at least,

are going to watch his ribbon. You love it, I love it, but the average person, go to fucking 7-Eleven and go, hey man, what do you think

of Robin Von Mooseballen? What the fuck are you talking about, man? Are you trying to sell something? Yeah, yeah, that's it.

You go somewhere and say, what do you think about Conor McGregor? Oh, he's really good when he fights buses. People will say crazy. They know, right? The UFC is very mainstream. Glory right now is still very fringe, unfortunately. Yeah, it would have been greater for them, better, if the UFC had a channel, a TV channel like the WWE.

They were going to do that for a while. That would be great because then, you see, glory will catch on for sure. This right now, I don't know how many people have fight pass. Do you know that, a number? I do not know the number. I know they're very happy. They make a lot of money, but I don't know the number. You know, UFC came real close back in the day to buying a channel.

But now I doubt they would do that because they spent so much money to buy the UFC. I don't think they could just go buy. You know, you want to buy a TV channel, that's hundreds of millions of dollars. Channel 1 is still available, I believe, right? Oh, really? Channel 1? I don't know. I never see anything on anything. I would get Channel 1.

That's the same as with a new Bond movie. I would 001. That's what I would do. I'm 001 instead of 007. He's the seventh guy. 001. I'm the first. Yeah, I'm number one.

I'm the original. When you go back to those channels, when people were adding channels, when was the last time you heard of a new channel? The last new channel is Vice. The Vice channel. And that was like, wasn't that Maxim? Didn't they buy Maxim or some shit? They usually just switch.

They switch the name. Like radio stations, they switch formats pretty much. Right, like Paramount. The Paramount Network used to be Spike TV. Now it's Paramount. Well, look, man, I'm just happy there's some combat sports on TV. I'm happy that Bellator is still around. Like, you know, people would say, like, oh, you know, you're in competition with Bellator.

I'm like, I'm not in competition. I'm not in competition. I like it. I want them to be around. I support it. I support all of them. I wish there was more. I wish there was more organizations.

It's good for everybody. Fuck yeah. I want to get better. Yep. It really should. But I really wish there was one big Muay Thai organization

that's what I wish I wish glory was Muay Thai so use elbows and use the real full rules elbows knees clinch

the whole deal let them do everything fight Muay Thai style it's the best style for stand up fighting you know and then put it on TV

otherwise have two you have glory glory elbow right I mean you have special rules like they did in Holland because Thai boxing they did not do put it on TV? Otherwise, have two. You have glory, glory elbow. Right? Right. I mean, you have special rules like they did in Holland

because Thai boxing they did not do with elbows but the special events like Hippolyta and Wheat, what I was just talking about, they added the elbows. Oh,

no shit. They didn't use elbows in some of the events? No, no. They did everything except the elbows. You know,

that would be one fight on the card. Right. They would do that. Well, when you see some guys fight like John Wayne Parr or like, here's a perfect, Nathan Corbett, perfect example. His whole thing was elbows. And then he would fight in glory and they'd take the elbows away from him.

Well, he's, I mean, he's obviously very good at all aspects of fighting, but he's, you know, now he can't use one of his best weapons. I was taking the headbutts out in the UFC with Coleman. Yeah. That was his thing. Remember? Fuck yeah. Trapping both arms. And then just go dum-dum.

And just headbutt the shit out of you. Yeah. Dude, you couldn't stop it. Yeah. Yeah. When Mark Coleman was in his prime, headbutts were a real weapon. Yeah. Did you headbutt anybody ever?

No. No. No, no, no. I'll put my face in their face. Do you know if somebody loads up, I'll right away go with my forehead into his face. I will keep the distance closed the whole time. I'll make sure my forehead is in front of your face. Oh, I wait with it.

If they load up, that's the fun part, right? If they do this, and then at the last moment you just lean over. So they headbutt themselves in the face, top of your head. That's awful. Yeah. It works though. I would your head. That's awful. Yeah. It works, though.

I would think that he will be distracted for a moment. Oh, for sure. Did you watch UFC Saturday night? No, I did not. I had no time. I was flying all over the place. How dare you. I had to go to another show.

Not a fight show. An award show. There's this guy that fought on the undercard. Zabit Magomed Sharipov. Holy shit is this guy. How many times did you rehearse his name? Many.

I fucked it up at the weigh-ins. They were saying, just call him Zabit. Just Zabit. And I'm like, no, no, no, I can get it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's the ego talking.

He's fucking phenomenal. Is he an animal? He's one of Mark Henry's guys down in New Jersey. Okay, that's good. I like Mark Henry. From Dagestan. Okay, yeah. Where there's just something in the water over there.

They just create animals. They train with bears, right? But this guy is tall and skinny. And he fought Kyle Bokniak. And this kid, Kyle Bokniak, he was shorter, had a hard time getting in on him, and Zabit had more skill in terms of more techniques and more things that he could do. But goddamn, Bokniak is a fucking animal. He is a savage because he was there at every second of this fight trying to win,

never gave up, never quit, and then at the end of the fight, the very end of the fight, in the third and final round, the last minute of the fight, trying to win, never gave up, never quit. And then at the end of the fight, the very end of the fight, in the third and final round, the last minute of the fight, he's pouring it on, and he's got Zabit up against the cage. He's screaming at him. He's got fucking blood coming out of his mouth. He's chasing after him. This is the end of the fight was him standing in front.

Oh, this is the show and some highlights. Oh, this is all highlights. Yeah. Yeah. But Zabit, that guy is fucking talented. What is his record? I think he's undefeated. That's good.

He might have one loss maybe early in his career. I feel like he's 15-0, though. I think. See if you can find his record. Does it say? Oh, this is the end. So the end of the fight. And I'm telling you,

Bokniak is getting his ass kicked the whole fight. Never saw, look at this, the end, standing right in front of him, hands down, fucking teeing off. Holloway. The whole crowd going crazy. And then this is my favorite part. It ends, the buzzer goes off, and look, fucking hugs. Yeah, I love that. And they walk around the ring. And I'm telling you, there was not a person in the fucking Barclays Center that was sitting down. Everybody stood up and went crazy. Me too. I was standing up.

The only time during the whole night I stood up and I was clapping. You have to. You know, if they give it all, there's nothing cooler than that. You know, that's what Holloway, when he made that line, you know, he drew the line. Oh, yeah. Oh, man. And it became a thing now. Yeah, you know, he drew the line. Oh, yeah, man And it became a thing now 15 and what I love it. How's my memory? You are so good

My is that beat look at try saying that name look at show pull that man. Okay, is that beat the Magomed? They shop it off Sharipov Sharipov Magomed Sharipov Magomed Sharipov the fucking animal be my go ahead very very talented And Mark Henry's telling me about this kid a long time ago. And he was telling me, he's like, he goes, I got a world champion. He goes, this guy's going to be a world champion. I was like, wow. And Mark Henry tells you that?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, that's probably going to happen. Yep. I mean, he's got, there's a good fight coming up with, he is, who is, Marlon Marais is fighting, who the fuck is he fighting? I love him. Good man. Great footwork, man.

God damn it. I'm trying to remember who he's fighting. I see his face right in front of me. Frankie... Go to the UFC bantamweight division. Frankie Rivera Rivera Jesus Christ That's who he's fighting Now I remember Yeah

Who's another animal The guy who beat Uriah Faber There is Oh of course Jimmy Rivera Why did I say Frankie Rivera Jimmy is an animal

Yeah Oh man he can hit I'm confused There's too many E's Too many E's in this world Jimmy Rivera who beat he beat a bunch of good guys you should have stopped

at 11-1 or 15-1 oh I remember that yeah you were ahead and then right away you messed it up yeah Jimmy Rivera he's a

he's an interesting guy too because he's one of those Tiger Schulman guys yeah I was just going to say yeah when I was a kid when I was living in New York there was a bunch bunch of Tiger Shulman karate places, but they were always like karate schools.

We thought of them as like a chain. It was like a chain. But they developed legit MMA fighters. It's like credit to that guy, Tiger Shulman, because he really embraced MMA, and they really developed some real top-level talent. MMA and they really develop some real top-level talent. Well once you're open-minded and you know that every evolution is there You know look at Bruce Lee the book the Tao of Yid Kundo You'll find toe holds, heel hooks, inverted heel hooks, knee bars. I mean you name it. Everything is in that freaking book Yeah, it's amazing. Yeah, I remember Game of Death He was a Game of Death or Enter the Dragon the opening with the crucifix kind of thing that he was doing.

Crazy. Crazy, right? I was going, Bolo could have escaped that. He could have breached that. For sure. But it was there. But that's like some pro wrestling moves. You see him, you go, hmm, that wouldn't really work.

Because if he's flexible in his neck. Plus the adrenaline will make you extra flexible. Trust me, you're not going to feel the stretch. What did you think about that crazy shit with Conor McGregor throwing the dolly at the bus? You know, I'm giving Conor a lot of passes. And the only reason I'm giving him a lot of passes is the same as Mike Tyson. It's like, you know, you're getting a lot of money. You have the wrong people around you.

Everybody's a yes-sayer. You know, if somebody says, hey, you know what? We should throw something against the bus. The whole gang is going, yeah, let's do that. Sounds great idea. I think he just got caught up in the moment. Be him. Try to be him.

He can't go anywhere. He can't pump gas. He can't do it. Everybody recognizes he's got a lot of pressure on him. I think he just has to figure himself out, and it's going to be okay. Deep down inside, he's a good guy, and I like him. And the way with his family and his wife and everything that he does, I hope he never loses that because that made him love him.

Yeah, but let's look at it this way. Like, Ray Borg was on that bus. Oh, I know, yeah. And he got his eyes cut. He got corneal abrasions because Conor threw that dolly at the bus. I mean, who knows what's going to happen to Ray's eyes. See if you can find an update on that Ray Borg's condition because he was the most, one who suffered the most serious

injury. Michael Chiesa got cut on his head but I think he's okay. I think those are just cuts and he'll be fine. But Ray Borg, you get a corneal abrasion that's really serious. But what I was going to say is imagine if the roles were reversed.

Imagine if Conor was on the bus and Ray Borg threw a fucking thing. Here, UFC Ray Borg yesterday showed a cut below his eye. Ugh, it's in his eyeball. Ugh, Conor McGregor attacking a bus. He had a number of other MMA stars. He and a number of other MMA stars are seated on. So, yeah, so he's got some serious... Ray Borg's only 24.

You know, what I was afraid of is that somebody's going to assume, just like happened with Russell Crowe. You remember when he hit the guy with the telephone in his face? They had to settle it for like $6 or $8 million because otherwise it was going to go to court. And if it goes to court, he's got a felony, can never fight in America again. That means for Russell Crowe, could have never done a movie in America again. So he had to settle with the guy and he had to give him that money. That's a lot of money. That guy for Russell Crowe could have never done a movie in America again. So he had to settle with the guy

and he had to give him that money. That's a lot of money. That guy's probably balling right now. Yeah. He's probably right now sitting on a beach somewhere

drinking a margarita. Go Russell Crowe. Well, it depends. If he never had money it's probably gone, right? We know how that goes. Yeah. Taxes.

You gotta blow my fucking fantasy. I had a beautiful fantasy with this guy with his feet up on the beach, pina colada, something with an umbrella in it.

Yeah, and it's all gone now and now he's cleaning, making shoes shine and then to make his money still in paradise because he couldn't buy a ticket back. What I was going to say is imagine if the roles were reversed.

Imagine if it was Ray Borg through the dolly and it cut Conor McGregor's eyes. Oh, listen, I'm not saying that it's good. No, no, no. First of all, he didn't do it on purpose. But I understand what you're saying.

I'm just saying, I'm looking at not Conor McGregor. I look at what happened to him the last two years. And that's a lot to deal with, you know? It is. And I think he has to sort that out. And I think the picture this morning with his baby and his wife was there. You could tell on his face that there was something like he was polite. He was like ashamed.

Watch the picture. Yeah, I've seen it. So you can tell. He might go to jail. It's entirely possible that they might put him in jail. Yeah, that would be not good. Because if it's a felony, he's going to have a problem getting into America, right? Oh, yeah.

For sure. That's what I mean. It's a very dangerous. I mean, what do they do here? For sure. But that's what I mean. It's a very dangerous... So, I mean, what do they do here? For his career. If he... He's got to settle. So if he settles with Michael Chiesa,

who already filed a lawsuit against him, or he already filed some sort of a complaint, or charges something, so him and Ray Borg for certain is going to do the same thing. So those two are cut. Everybody else on the bus, every other fighter on the bus

could sue for emotional damage. Oh, yeah. So those two were caught. Everybody else on the bus, every other fighter on the bus could sue for emotional damage. Oh, yeah. They can. Including Rose. Thug Rose was going to pull out of the fight. Yeah. She was really considering pulling out of the fight. She was so shooken up.

You know, I do like that he, at least because when he talked to Dana, he didn't apologize, but he apologized for all the people who were on board, right? He said, no, for the fighters, I'm so sorry. So I'm happy he did that, you know? But it's something you can turn back, and you can make it right. Well, you can. You can try to make it right, like a Band-Aid on a wound.

But, you know, to give him all hell, I would say give the guy a little space, and then hopefully he'll figure it out, and he'll settle it with those guys. Some would say that the only way for him to really learn is to face consequences for his actions. And if you just keep giving him space, he's going to just keep pushing the needle, and he's going to keep doing more fucked up things like this. No, but that will happen now, right?

He's going to have to pay. He's going to have to pay 100% guarantee. He wants to settle. He doesn't want to go to court. Look, he's got $100 million that he made from that fight. Yeah, but does he still? And with the taxes and everything off, and with everything he's buying and all, you know what I mean? Okay, let's say he's got $100 million that he made from that fight. Yeah, but does he still? And with the taxes and everything off and with everything he's buying and all, you know what I mean?

Okay, let's say he's got $30 million left. Let's say he's got $30 million left. Taxes, all that other jazz, what you really get versus what they say you get. There's a lot going on there, right? Training expenses, bought a house, bought a couple of Bentleys. He's going to give out a few

million here. This is going to cost him a few million. That's right. Minimally. But if you look at Russell Crowe, the whole thing. Plus, if they really were going to do this Floyd Mayweather thing, they're not going to be able to do it now. Yep. I mean, if he gets arrested, or he is arrested,

but if he gets convicted and they wind up putting him in jail, it's entirely like, I mean, he's got charged with assault, mischief, a few other different things. Even a felony charge is there, right? Yeah. I mean, it's entirely possible that there could be some real serious consequences for this, and if they really were going to do that... But how many people would pay to see that Mayweather fight in the octagon? You know, but it gives us a little bit of stupid rules.

It comes from the Mayweather fight. It's like almost Inoki when he fought Ali, right? Right. Just before, no more kicks above the waist. Yeah, no knees, no grappling techniques. I mean, they start changing the rules just an hour or two hours before. So what would you like to see them fight? If they fight MMA.

In the clinch, do it with knees. Knees and elbows. Connor will kill him. I know, but that's what I want to see. I want Connor to win. I mean, even if there's and elbows. Connor will kill him. I know, but that's what I want to see. I want Connor to win. I mean, even if there's no grappling, Connor will kill him. Just with kicks. Just give him kicks.

He'll take his legs out. Just low kicks even. Just low kicks. Yeah. He'll take his legs out. All he'd have to do is just fight. Do you remember when Rick Rufus fought that Thai guy? And the Thai guy just kept his hands out like this and just kicked the shit out of his legs?

Yeah. That's all Connor would have to do. He wouldn't even have to box him. Just keep his hands out like this and just kicked the shit out of his legs. Yeah. That's all Conor would have to do. He wouldn't even have to box him. Just keep his hands out like this. Whack! Whack! A couple of those and you see Floyd limping around.

The next thing you know, the head kick's coming. Boom. Yeah, okay. But let's say the head kick is not allowed. Let's say they do the rules like Antonio Inoki versus Ali. Well, you could stop him with leg kicks.

Yeah, but that's what I mean. Just stop him with low kicks. I would do low kicks. That would be a good one. You know, so he's... The next two weeks, every time he kicks. I would do low kicks. That would be a good one. You know, so he's, the next two weeks, every time he goes to the restroom, he's going to go, oh darn, it's hurting. Two weeks. That leg, look at the leg from Aldo against Uriah Faber.

Is that the craziest leg you've ever seen? Well, Uriah was taking pictures when he was going into the hyperbaric chamber to try to heal up the leg, and his leg was giant purple blotch. Like, it was twice the size of his other leg. Yeah, find it that uriah faber's leg after jose aldo fight yeah who's aldo gonna fight he's fighting someone oh jeremy stevens oh my god That is fucking crazy That is fucking First of all

Uriah Faber is a goddamn animal I could not believe Because it started early in the fight already And he just kept hanging in there Yeah he wouldn't give up He wouldn't give up I mean it was amazing Amazing that he made it to the end of the round, or the end of the fight.

The end of the fight, yeah. I mean, Aldo was just taking that leg out. And then I remember I was interviewing Uriah after the fight. He could barely stand up. He could barely just talk. He was in such pain. But respect for that guy. That guy is tough as shit.

And that is pain at that moment, the next day. Yeah. And when Jimmy Rivera beat Uriah, he beat him with that low leg kick. He fucked up Uriah's leg. A lot of times that happens with guys. They get that low leg kick and then the nerves give out. Their foot doesn't work right. That happens to a bunch of guys.

They get hit with that low leg kick and then their nerves just stop working right. Yeah, I think that's a more dangerous kick almost than a low kick you know because you actually can break a bone there with the kick sure especially if you hit the thick part of your shin against that little what is it the fibula there's the tibia and the fibula yeah the fibula is a little tiny thing yeah that'll snap that's not designed for kicks no you can push it shitty. The human bones, that's a shit design. Your hand, that's a shit design for a guy who punches as hard as you. It's crazy, yeah.

I shouldn't have taken off the glove. Definitely shouldn't have because these gloves are fucking awesome, man. These gloves are good. I mean, the only thing about these gloves is they may be too good. There's a lot of padding there. That's very thick, especially where the knuckles, like right here, that is thick as shit. That's like a solid inch plus of padding, maybe even more. Yeah.

I mean. I like it. It's a very even cushion, right? Yeah. You don't see that a lot. Sometimes you just push straight through, but this is really good for the back of your Well, certainly protect your hands and even protects your hands better than the UFC gloves. I think pride gloves are the best for MMA.

They were big, though, but it was cool. Yeah, they curved so their hands weren't open, even with the thumb. And it didn't stop the grappling. You're a smart guy and you're creative. Have you ever thought about redesigning boxing or MMA gloves? No. Making something where people don't poke each other? You just think?

Yeah. No. I think people should simply not poke. Why would you have your hands open? I mean, as a fighter, if it's your profession, you should be able not to poke somebody's eye. Come on now. What do you think about this proposition? Because a lot of people have been talking about this, me included.

Every time you do a foul, whether it's an eye poke or a low kick to the nuts, you get a point taken away. Whether you meant to do it or not. You grab the fence, point taken away. So this way there's no warnings and you never do it because you're always worried. Well, you're going to get paralyzed a lot in the beginning, but once you realize that everybody's going to get paralyzed, you'll stop. So it is, you know, it's like giving a pedophile's life a sense of death penalty. That will stop that disease for 90% as well.

Just get rid of them. Yeah. I think they should stop with the cage. I think the cage is a bad environment. I think it's too easy for guys to trap people up against the cage. It's hard for people to see. It's hard for the audience to see.

I don't think there's a benefit in the cage. I think the cage was fun in the beginning because it was crazy. It's like, you can't leave. You're trapped in the cage. But no one wants to leave. They want to fight, right? So if they're going to fight, that's not the best environment for fighting. The best environment for fighting is like an open area.

The area that, you know, karate combat has, that's a nice area because... You see everything. Plus, you know, with the walls, I like the walls because you can't lean against them you do that you're on your back yeah you're grounded opponent you know because they pull you back to the ground yeah because a karate combat when you're against the wall you're not grounded but if they pull you once you're on the on your back on the ground you are you can get hit

yeah so you can't get away you can't run away no like it's not you run out into the audience you would have to go up that ramp. But you're contained in the area, but you're not trapped up against a wall like you are with the UFC, with the cage. They were going to do a bit all the way in the beginning, right? When they were talking about it with Milius. Wait a minute. Didn't Frank Shamrock do that? Frank Shamrock had something that he did.

Shoot? Did he call it Shootbox? Frank Shamrock had something that he did. Shoot? Did he call it Shootbox? Frank Shamrock Shootbox? I feel like Frank Shamrock did something like this where he had, and then Bob Meyerowitz came back and did something called the Yama pit fighting. Remember that? Yeah, I remember that. That was kind of similar to that, too.

That was something like that, yeah. Yeah, but that was in the the cage too, wasn't it? Our David came to us to promote arm wrestling where you could hit your opponent. Oh, that's right! That's right, your arms were tied up and dudes were wailing at each other. Oh my god, that was the most ridiculous shit ever.

I forgot about that one! I forgot about that one. Guys had their arms taped up, taped together, and then they were punching each other in the head. What the fuck was that called? Extreme arm wrestling or something? I have no clue. I mean, any name is good for that. That shit was so stupid.

Didn't a couple MMA fighters get involved in that too? I'm pretty sure, you know, if they were not on the list somewhere. What is this? What is it called? Oh, here we go. Yeah, they tape each other their arm up.

X-arm? Extreme. Extreme. So they tape their arms together. He's got a glove too. Oh my God. The soonest you let go of that thing that you're holding

in order, you know, then you don't have that balance. If you're right-handed, you're going to have to put your, oh, kicks too. Oh my God, this is so stupid.

This is so. Why don't they simply push him down and win the fight like that, right? This is so fucking stupid. This is a fight with a bartender. Tied up like that. The bartender's behind the bar.

Your arm is somehow tied. You're going to have to fight. This is so stupid. I want to see some of this. X-arm. That's what it was called. A new sport is born. Yeah, not really.

Yeah, you should. I'm getting crazy. I'm throwing kicks. Incredible athletes. Yeah. Ready, set, go. I'm going to punch you in your fucking head. Now, how do you win?

Do you win by... Oh, he got an arm bar. Oh, my God. No way. You can do an arm bar on the table? That shit's ridiculous. That is so ridiculous. Wait a minute.

He's on to something. This is so stupid. The kicks. Oh, my God. Oh, they stopped it. But meanwhile, they're tied up. Pin his arm. You pin his arm, you win?

Wait a minute. Yeah, because that's what you would. Or knock him out. This is so fucking stupid. So why don't they just pin him right away so you don't get hit? Look at this. Doom, doom. Can you imagine if you put that on your fucking X-arm?

That guy in the audience. Yeah, yeah. I can't do this, too. I used to be a fan of the UFC, but they fucked me over. They fucked me over. I don't like it anymore. I'm going to bawl about Exxon. I thought those were safety glasses the ref has.

He should, just in case blood comes spraying into his eye. Spit and shit. That's a camera? That's a ref camera. Oh, my God. It's so dumb. That is so fucking dumb. Oh, my God.

I forgot about this. I'm so glad you brought this up. Oh, that guy got chaos. He's out. And he's hanging on to him. Hey, I got him. He's out cold. Untie me from this dead man.

I did it to a training partner one time. That's so fucking stupid. What'd you do? To a training partner. I was very angry. More angry than you were at the desk? You know what? He had a fight in two weeks.

And he said, this weekend my friend's going to go to Vegas for a bachelor party. You think I should go? And I go, you're asking me for advice. Yeah, I said, no, don't go. It's going to go wrong. You do drugs, you go drunk, you do everything. Of course it went wrong.

He did go. So now I'm angry because he had a fight going on. And I said, he wanted to train on he was back on Saturday on Sunday he wanted to train I said no let's do Monday

give you an extra day rest well now I came in and this time you know normally I never want to knock somebody out but I want to knock him out just now because he couldn't fight

anyway already with a young angry boss angry boss no he didn't listen and now you got to fight and you're constantly complaining about

you're losing you know I mean it has a reason and you're constantly complaining about your losing. I mean, it has a reason. And this was one of the reasons. This was the moment for him to get a lesson. So I think first punch I threw. But an incredible heart. And I remember I hit him and I almost didn't feel the impact.

So you know that I hit him with a loose neck, so to say. Went straight through. And I remember him falling over the rope. And I grabbed my stuff. and I walked to my car. My car was in the garage. We were in the garage, and the ring was in there. It was at the front of my place. And I walked over to my car, and while I walked over, I looked back, and he was still hanging.

There was no movement whatsoever. And I started to get worried because now he was out already for like two minutes. No movement whatsoever. So I get in my car, and then I drive by, and he still does no movement. Is somebody taking care of him? I got out of the car because I wanted to take care of him, and as soon as I started walking, he started twitching, so I got in my car and I drove off.

Oh, Jesus. That's ridiculous. Yeah. Yeah, but that was after a long time. Did he still fight? He fought, and he lost. Well, of course he lost. You knocked him out two weeks ago.

No, no, no. He was losing already. And it was every time it was somebody else's thing. I'd say, maybe you stop smoking weed for a while. Maybe that's going to help. What about that? Maybe that would help. You know?

So if you wake up in the morning and you smoke a bong and you do that all day long and you keep doing it, I mean, maybe that's the reason, right? Well, it could be a factor. You're not getting really to your potential. It could be a factor, unless you're Nick Diaz. Yeah. It doesn't seem to affect him. There's always exemptions for every rule. Yeah, he's a real

exemption. I mean, when people think about potheads, you think about someone who's lazy, and you think about people that have bad endurance. You would think you'd be lazy. But Nick Diaz has phenomenal endurance. I mean, he does triathlons. do you know he swam from alcatraz five times i said two times and he corrected me he goes no bro five times i'm like five he swam back from alcatraz five fucking times in the shark infested waters yeah of san francisco

but there were also they they said it was a lot of you know it was not as bad as what they let the prisoners know, of course. Well, it's just because athletes are just so much better now. But if you didn't swim, it's not like they let them prepare in prison. Like, hey, do laps in the pool. Like those guys, they didn't have any endurance. No, they didn't have a little pool either, right? I'm thinking, how can you practice swimming? But it's a hard one.

It's a hard one. I'm sure some of them made it. There's a couple guys did attempt to swim back from Alcatraz. And one guy, they found his clothes on the beach and they never found him. And they assumed that he got eaten by a shark or some shit and drowned and they just found his clothes. But it's entirely possible the guy swam all the way. If he was a fucking real animal, could swim all the way, took his clothes off and went, fuck you. I'm out of here.

Back then, they didn't have no database. He's laughing right now. He's listening to this podcast. He's 90 years old. He goes, we're good. That was me. I was punch. You got a call-in number?

I got three. Yeah. I mean, I think nobody, I don't think they know of anybody who definitely successfully made it. But today, people do it all the time. It's like all those triathlete endurance assholes, those serious animals, those guys who do like triathlons, ultra marathons, those motherfuckers, they have ridiculous cardio. But there's a woman also, like a 90-year-old woman who did it.

Really? I mean, yeah, yeah. 90 years old? Yeah, yeah. Swam also from Alcatraz. Jesus Christ. Did you ever go to Alcatraz? You did, right?

Yeah, when I was a kid. It was cool, right? Yeah, it's pretty cool. You know, to go to Al Capone's salon to see all that stuff. It's weird. The movie, The Rock. Remember that?

That's right. That was a badass movie. Clint Eastwood, right? No, no, no. What's his name? He's an escape from Alcatraz. He plays Frank Morris. Oh, right.

Which one was The Rock? The Rock. Nick Cage? Nicolas Cage. Yeah, that's a difference from Alcatraz. He plays Frank Morris. Which one was The Rock? The Rock. Nick Cage. Nicholas Cage. Yeah, that's a difference. That's right. Escape from Alcatraz. Anthony Hopkins.

Yeah. Those guys, they escape. No, no, no. What's his name? They played James Bond. Bond. James Bond. That one.

Sean Connery. Sean Connery. Sean Connery. He's also such a badass guy. I always love Sean Connery. My favorite interview is him with Barbaranery. He's also such a badass guy. I always love Sean Connery. My favorite interview is him with Barbara Walters where he's talking about smacking women. Oh, I was just going to say that. They need a smack.

Sometimes they don't listen. You let them have the last word and that's not enough. And they need more and more. And you just have to take your hand and smack them. Yeah, there it is. Escape from Alcatraz. Clint motherfucking Eastwood. That's an escape, yeah.

So I don't think anybody definitely escaped and made it across the ocean. I don't think there's one guy they caught in San Francisco. They're still on the FBI's wanted list, but they're assumed drowned. They're still on the FBI's most wanted list. And what year was it they escaped? 62. Oh, wow. They might be on the FBI's most wanted list. And what year was it they escaped? 62. Oh, wow. They might be alive.

They might be still alive. Wow. Those three guys escaped? Yeah. Look at those creeps. And they never got found? No. Wow.

Probably drowned. Man, if you hear us, call us. Well, I'll tell you what I did. That will be a story. I made it. Made it across that ocean. Google the 90 that will be a story I made it made it across that ocean Google the 90 year old lady who made it

that's insane you know what if they would still be alive they should write a book right and then just before they die they say here this is how I escaped Alcatraz

the money proceeds goes to the family wherever you live yeah yeah or just write a just write a novel and go

oink oink, oink. This is all fiction. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like OJ Simpson did. Yeah, if I did. If I did. Did you see the interview where he kind of like- Says that he did?

I saw that. I didn't see it. Oh, yeah, it's freaky. You know, you hear him saying, because sometimes he forgets he doesn't talk in the third person. Sometimes he talks, and then he took this, suddenly he made this really weird karate stance like he knew karate and then it's quiet he says oh of course you

know that would be in my mind you know he would correct himself every time yeah he took a karate pose it's weird that he's out there roaming around now yeah ladies I'm sure there's a lot of crazy bitches out there Apparently that Parkland shooter that kid that killed all those kids in Florida I just gets fan mail all day long they say goes when I marry him girls want to marry. Yeah Yeah, that was the thing with Richard Ramirez the Night Stalker. He just got tons of marriage requests There's a lot of girls who want to marry psychos. Yeah, it's so strange It's a something really bad happened to them or they were young, I guess, you know? I mean, otherwise, how do you get there?

How do you get to a spot like that? I don't know. Yeah. I don't know. Some people, man. It's weird. We need bigger penalties for things. That's what we need.

Well. I like that, what you said. You know? No more warning. Boom. Do it one time. I think, actually, it's a good idea for fights. Yeah.

For fights, I think eye pokes. Boom, do it one time. I think actually it's a good idea for fights, yeah. For fights, I think eye pokes. Well, here's the thing. Even if you didn't mean to do it, the other guy got poked in the eye, and that's a significant impact, and it could affect their vision. We know many fights that have changed the course of the fight, like Travis Brown, Matt Mitrione. Mitrione's winning the fight. He gets eye poked by Travis Brown.

Then he winds up getting beaten up and stopped. It was a big, big moment in the fight and it came from an eye poke. Those kind of situations happen. And even if they're by accident, it doesn't matter. They happen. And when they happen, that's a giant impact. And that giant impact should be penalized.

Because that guy can't see now. He's like looking like this. I got stabbed in my eye in pro wrestling. And you literally, what they say, you see three people. Yeah. I couldn't focus. The referee goes, fight.

I can't see anything. Is this in Japan? Yeah, it was pro wrestling. He said, fight, fight. I said, okay, I'll fight. They do some hard pro wrestling in Japan sometimes, right?

It's strong style, they call it. So that's why it's so good for the mixed martial artists because they use real submission moves. If you go here to WWE, you see moves and they tap on things that are not even moves

sometimes. A bunch of WWE guys got mad at me because I was analyzing the figure four toe hold, and I was saying, the other guy is actually in a better position. The guy who's getting the toe hold has a heel hook right here. Just reach over, grab a hold of that shit, you got it. People were mad at me. WWE guys were so mad. For telling the truth.

They were saying that I'm somehow or another diminishing their thing. You guys just did WrestleMania last night. It was the biggest fucking thing on TV. It's not diminishing it, but you can't get mad if someone's pointing out reality. It is reality you know what if they say I'm I think

they're amazing guys yeah they're athletes I mean I was almost about to sign for them a long time ago but I would I thought I was gonna get away with like

20, 30 shows no no no the minimum was 220 220 shows a year 200 yeah that's without the traveling so I go you know and these guys take bumps every single night can you imagine No, no, no. The minimum was $220. $220 shows a year? $200. Yeah, that's without the traveling. So I go, you know, and these guys take bumps every single night.

Can you imagine? Yeah. And that's $220 shows, you know. If you look at Stone Cold Steve Austin, all these guys, the Rock Dwayne Johnson, all these guys, they did way more a year. Yeah. They did two shows in one night, they say. They were going from town to town. That's a crazy life.

Stone Cold Steve Austin eating raw potatoes because he had no more money. Raw potatoes eating in the car, driving from event to event. Because he had no money? He had no money at the time. He was building himself up. He was eating raw potatoes? He was raw potatoes, yeah. What does a raw potato taste like?

I don't know. It's like a raw potato, I guess. Not good. A little bitter, right? Remember when Ken Shamrock was the world's most dangerous man? Yeah. Remember he did it just jacked Yeah, he was so jacked back then it was ridiculous

Remember how big he got holy shit. He got big. Yeah, he's like 260 pounds. I think you yeah that's a Unbelievably tough way to make a living unbelievably tough. What. What is this? This star just had to retire yesterday. She got kicked in the back at a house show and snapped her neck. What's a house show? Like a non-televised show. Wow. One of the 220 shows they have to do, like not in L.A., like whenever, Kansas, on a Wednesday night. Whoa.

Very injury-prone, man, because it's constantly, constantly, it's really amazing. All the falls, all these things are real. So people can say whatever they want. And people say, oh, pro-wrestling is fake. Yeah, so is acting. Let's be honest here. Well, you got one of your worst injuries from stunts, right? That's it, yeah.

Sons of Anarchy, right? No, Lights Out, the show on FX. You remember that was Walt McElhenney? Okay. By the way, if you, by the way, want to talk to him, he's the lead guy in Mindhunter, in that TV show. What is Mindhunter? Mindhunter you didn't see on Netflix. Oh, that's that show

about serial killers, right? Yeah, yeah. No kidding. Yeah. I mean, look, man, what they have to do is one of the hardest jobs in all show business. 220 shows a year getting slammed and knocked around like that. It's one of the hardest jobs in show business. But shows a year getting slammed and knocked around like that. It's one of the hardest jobs in show business.

But, you're a tough guy. Don't be such a pussy if someone says that a figure four leg lock doesn't work. Don't talk about that. The skin is very thin.

It's just very thin. I don't understand. Instead of thinking that's constructive criticism. Yeah, I got nothing but respect for them. But relax.

You should be able to take jokes. You can't tell jokes anymore. What is going on? I was on Inside MMA, right? I'm telling at the wrap-up. And I didn't even know this was a wrap-up. I don't even remember I said this.

So I'm busy. And I said, yeah, right hook. Right hook knockout. We see highlights. And I tell Kenny Rice. I said, man, right hook knockout. I said, I love to see that. It's so underused, the right hook. I said,

you should really practice that. So Kenny says to me, how do you practice that? I said, well, if you're married, you say, hey, honey, can you come over here for a second? And right away, I'm looking in the camera and I say, I'm kidding, of course, right? And I'm literally saying it because I know there's always people. But I started laughing. It's a joke.

I don't even remember me saying this. On my Facebook, I had this, you know, feminist organization attacking people but i started laughing it's a joke i don't even remember me saying this on my facebook i had this you know feminist organization attacking me that i couldn't say that i would hit my wife and i go i didn't say i went through the whole show and i go where did i say it and it was literally the last 20 seconds where i said it and two seconds later i said i'm just kidding it's a joke you could never do that you know but people are so thin-skinned you can't do anything these were the same people when they asked me what did I enjoy the most of women fighting I thought I make a joke I said the weigh-ins right I thought it

was funny to say because they're in the bikinis right yeah same feminist organization and we're in this business you can do and I told him I said if you're in the MMA business I said get out because we all think they all think like me you know

they just don't say it on the nice end right on the nice end they think like you yeah yeah yeah on the dark end oh they go like

you know what I would do at this moment with a girl like that that's how how bad it is do you ever see Derek Lewis's Instagram oh

Derek Lewis has the most fucking hilarious Instagram. He's really pushing it though, right? He's pushing it! He pushes it as far as pushing it. You see the shit that he did with Ronda Rousey? After he knocked out Travis Brown. After he knocked out Travis Brown. I mean, he

knocked out her boyfriend. Or now her husband. And he's got all these videos of him with his face and he's, you know videos of him like Mr. T like in Rocky he's doing that his face and he's you know they put his face on someone else's body

and Rhonda's face on someone else's body it's like he's fucking crazy he's crazy he's funny though he's hilarious he's hilarious

I like it his Instagram page is fucking hilarious but I'm always like what how long is it gonna take for someone to find that page and just go over his archives and go, what in the fuck?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, you can't do this, man. No, it is, yeah. Because it's obviously he's joking around. He's a very funny guy. Before you saw it, after. Oh, Derek is fucking funny, man. Who is he fighting next?

I don't know, but everything is good. He's always posting ridiculous videos where people do stupid shit. Like, if you just go to his... It's almost... Oh, does he have a... What's going on with his hand? What is going on there? Damn, that shit hurts. I have a fourth metacarpal fracture.

Oh, February 21st. Alright, well, he ain't fighting anybody anytime soon. Oh, they're digging in there. What are they doing? Oh, they're extracting? Yeah, they're pulling out the pus. Get in there, son. Pull that pus out. Yeah!

Yeah, they did it to me one time. I was in Japan and Dan Henderson stands next to me, was at the table eating and he says, where's the heat coming from? I go, what do you mean? And he fills with his arm and my arm was infected and it was

streaming out heat. And he goes, dude, you got staph infection, this is really bad. I said, I'll do it when I'm home. He says, no, no, no, you got to go to the hospital right now. This is very bad. I went to the hospital in Japan. They put it in a syringe like this big giant syringe to start pulling out stuff it was like the green goblet liquid that green

liquid completely clear not one little sliver of slime or whatever in it completely clear like the doctor was pulling it out and he goes you start talking to all the other doctors and they came running over just what is this they pulled it out it was a you start talking to all the other doctors and they came running over and they said what is this they pulled it out it was a whole thick syringe of green shit

he filled up with green clear stuff whoa weird right very weird what'd they do what'd they give you some serious antibiotics

serious antibiotics yeah yeah there was this moment with Damon Perry you remember when I sure we did that show and I was laying on the bar

I was acting like I was drunk and everybody said dude that was unbelievable you were that was how sick I was so I acted like I was drunk and I was sweating but I was from the real sickness I was literally between takes laying on the wow I did the take and then we fall back again again. Wow. Yeah, I was destroyed. Did you fly home with that? Yeah, but it was two days later. I started feeling much better the next day

after they gave me over. Did they give you oral antibiotics or IV? Oral and IV. And IV right away. In the hospital? Yeah. Damn.

Staph infection scares the shit out of me, man. You can lose something. You remember the staph from Kevin Randleman? Yeah. He had holes. A hole in his arm.

Oh, yeah. Here underneath. Yeah. Like a snuff box, you know, like the tobacco thing. Yeah. You could hide it in there. You could literally push it in there. You could see his muscles.

Yeah. And all his tendons and everything in there. It was fucking crazy. Kevin Rattelman's staff. Yeah. He's got one of the most famous staff infections ever. It's horrible. horrible animal this guy my friend ari and i my ari i uh was taking jujitsu for a while we were playing pool

and i noticed him walking around the pool table he's limping and i go what's going on with you man he goes i think i got a spider bite on my knee look at that look at that god damn that's crazy that is so crazy that's like systemic when it's that bad. Yeah. When it's that deep in your body. So I looked at Ari. I go, what? I go, you got a spider bite. I go, let me see your knee.

And he pulls his pants leg up. And I go, dude, you have staph infection. Listen to me right now. You got to go to the hospital immediately. And he goes, what? What's the big deal? I go, no, no, no. This could kill you.

I go, you have a real bad staph infection. It was like a fucking big whitehead. I was like, go to the hospital right now. He's like, are you serious? I unscrewed my cue. I go, dude, we're done. I go, you got to go to the hospital. I'll take you.

You want to go to the hospital right now? He went to the hospital right then and there, and they're like, holy shit, bud. They hooked him up then. He got it again, I think, afterwards. Sometimes it can relapse when you get it bad. When you get it in your system and you know like completely get it out of your system sometimes it can come back friend of mine had this boy blue blood poisoning yeah from a from a low kick it was all his leg there was fluids in his knowledge and this little thing like a pinky thick purple line

started going up on his body, like towards the heart. Oh, yeah. You got to see that leg. I mean, they went in there, they stapled it close with like 34 of those staples over his whole thigh. He's got this scar, crazy scar. From low kicks. From low kicks. That's nuts.

Didn't treat it. Man. It just kept on working and something went wrong and becomes an infection. Yeah, it starts clotting. Don't have that. You see how I did that, clotting? I see. You didn, it just kept on working and something went wrong and it becomes an infection. Yeah, it starts clotting. You see how I did that? Clotting. I see.

I can feel it in your fingers. I like that. I like that. That's fast. What do you think? I need to ask you about some certain shit. Like, what do you think about the John Jones situation? Like, with John Jones testing positive but saying it was a tainted supplement.

What do you think about all that? I think as a, okay, I'll go back all the way back when you could do pretty much anything you wanted, right? Right. I brought my own bread, own food, everything to Japan. If I would go to a hall, I would bring my own water. I wouldn't drink the water they had there. I heard all the war stories and fighting in foreign countries that they might taint it or do something. Make sure.

Every product that you take as a professional athlete is your responsibility. So once that happens, and I thought that tainted supplement wasn't the same tainted supplement as Joel Romero had. I believe it was the same tainted supplement. And they have the same manager. So their manager didn't say, hey, wait a minute, Joel Romero, maybe you shouldn't take this because I don't know 100% here. I'm just talking. Anyway, even if

that's not the case, as a manager you would say, I think from now on, you should buy only products that are on a list and you don't do anything else anymore. Just to make sure because people, you know, where the smoke just fires. That's what people think. It's always like that. I was very happy with Joel Romero when he

brought a product. I said, that's the first guy who actually does that. Unfortunately, I was very happy with Joel Romero when he brought a product. I said, that's the first guy who actually does that. They took the product, got it off the market because it was in there, and he was clear. They said, okay, finally. I would have done that. Tim Means did the same thing. Tim Means tested positive.

And he found it also? They found it on the shelf. They did an independent test of it, and they said, yep, it's in this stuff. That's a real common thing. A lot of baseball players have tested positive for the exact same thing that John tested for apparently it's in a bunch of different supplements but you get it in trace elements or a trace amounts you know you're not getting like big amounts

and a lot of it comes from they take the same vats in you know China wherever they make that shit and they'll make some steroids and then they're cleaning it out but do a shitty job of cleaning it shit, and they'll make some steroids, and then they'll fucking clean it out, but do a shitty job of cleaning it out, and then they'll make some creatine in there. Yeah, it's like the gluten-free products, you know? Because sometimes they use a machine that has product with gluten in there, and then it's tainted. It's like that.

Yeah, it definitely can be. It definitely can be. You know, I've heard a bunch of crazy stories. One of the craziest ones was they think that cocaine, sometimes they cut with creatine and creatine is often infected with this steroid that it's often tainted because you're, you know, you're getting cheap creatine from China and they use creatine to cut cocaine with. I got a good idea. Don't do cocaine if you're a fighter.

Wait a minute. That's just crazy. Boss, you're just crazy. That doesn't even make sense. Don't do cocaine. When can he come back? When can he come back, Joe? I don't know. I don't think they've done his hearing yet. Oh, man. What a waste.

They did the California hearing, but I think the Nevada State Athletic Commission and USADA, I think that's in April sometime. I think it's this month. I really hope we're going to see him soon. I really hope he turns his life around. He's the best. Yeah, he's the best. I mean, the impact that he can have on kids and on everything, going out as a—if he trains for four—fights four more years,

just beat everybody, and then go out. I think he can still do it, too. I think he can still come back and maybe, you know, hopefully— Look, it's clear. One thing is clear from his test is that whatever he took was a tiny trace amount, and it must have been accidental. Must have been. This is according to Jeff Davidsky.

Because if you look at right before that test, he tests negative. He tests positive for the tiniest amount, and then he tests negative again right afterwards. Yeah, you see. So it's a tiny, tiny amount. Let it go. So it has to be an accident. And it definitely didn't have any performance-enhancing benefit. The levels that he took, they're talking about trace amounts.

But you see, this is where comes in play what he did before, and that's why he's getting penalized now. You see? So you're always responsible for your actions. That's what's happening now. This was the first time. But it cost him his title, too, which is so crazy. I know, but you know, if somebody has the chance to do it back, what a comeback that would be. I think he can do it.

He can 100%. I mean, you think about his victory over Daniel Cormier, the way he did it, that left high kick and then puts it out on the ground. The way he set it up. The entire fight he was setting it up. And I think that when he came back before the last break that they said,

okay, now he can let it fly. I think you set him up enough. I love that, man. Making a pattern and then breaking the pattern. I love that style of fighting. Yeah, yeah. No, man. I mean, he's such a talent.

I mean, and just, but isn't it funny how some of those guys that are so talented are also so self-destructive? It's so common. It's because, oh, no, no, but it's not only that. It's talented, and because they're talented, it propels them up in the limelight, and suddenly they become somebody. And it's like I said with Conor. You got all the A's. Nobody says no to you. And if you have that constantly

24-7 around you, yeah, you start becoming, you think you're God. You can start doing things that other people can't. And you can. That's the worst part. I mean, you look, I mean, that he didn't go to jail? Think about it, what he did. Right? Hitting the woman and then the drugs

out of the car and the woman was pregnant and she was injured i mean that's a serious thing a normal person would have been in jail right so and with the money situation and how he changed suddenly with cormier when they were you know where they're filming them at the interview and they they kept it rolling and they didn't know they were rolling and he starts hey how much money you have i got so much more money i got this i got this and, dude, what are you doing? It's a weird thing to say. But then again, you think, he was the youngest champion also.

Yeah, ever. Right? I mean, the guy is young. I mean, I was an idiot. I was an idiot when I started at 28. I was still a grown up. I was completely crazy. So that's why I never blame people because I know I was a complete idiot.

Right. Well, you have a great perspective on it because of that. Yeah. Yeah, you've been there. You know what it's like. And you were a fucking wild man, and now you're very calm, except for when you occasionally punch a table. Yeah, 13 hours is too long for a commercial shoot.

Don't do that. I know what that's like, though. They keep on wanting you to do it again. You get angry, like, fuck. Yeah. No, fuck. Yeah. No, it's an ego thing too because they said it's fine but because they said it would be great.

You know, now it's in my head. I go, I just want to do it for them so I don't feel as bad as I go away, man. Right, right. It's just pushing it. It's just saying no a little sooner. That's the trick. Do you miss Inside MMA?

Yeah, I do. I never, and I told this always when I had the show, there's never been a show that, imagine today was Friday I had the film, never ever I thought I wish I could stay home tonight. I always wanted to go and meet whoever was there.

I loved that show. It was great. You saw the new talent. That's where Conor McGregor comes in and it was just starting and interviewing him. It's great. And then you see the new talent that's where conor mcgregor you know comes in and it was just starting and interviewing him it's great and then you see the old guys you you know don fry and coleman it was great it was a fun show what happened with it i think just numbers i think it's you know nowadays with everything streaming you can you know there is no breaking news for us it has to happen on friday should come along and reboot it and give you a show and just do it online where anybody can get a hold of it. Do it on YouTube.

Yeah, but then also do it every day. Make it, you can't compete with a show. You can because that's happening now. Yeah. So you need to show a live show. Like a podcast, but you need to do it every day.

Yeah. Or when there's breaking news. Yeah, well, every day is, I mean, fuck, man. If you did it every day, it would just take off. If somebody just figured out how to do it and got you into a studio. Yeah, but you know what?

We're waiting, first of all, for the Kevin Can Wait. If that goes to a third season, I'm going to have to have that. Then I got 11 shows with the Professional Fighters League. I just started Karate Combat. You're busy. I'm good. I would like to keep the free time free. Are you a regular on Kevin Can Wait?

Yeah, well, I'm a regular on the show, but not a regular of the show. That would be, if this goes to a third season, I become the cast member. Oh. Then it will be there. What do you play on the show? His neighbor. Like, last year I did 16 or 17 episodes. Oh, that's awesome.

Yeah, the crazy guy, Rutger from Holland. You know, he's not the smartest guy, not the sharpest knife in the drawer. Very funny. That's fucking great. That's so cool that Kevin did that. That's very cool. And it happened because once Inside MMA stopped, he said, now you can finally do an appearance on our show

because that was filmed Friday nights in front of a live audience. So I could never be on a show. So I did a guest appearance. The writers liked it. They got me back. And then I did four shows the first season at me back. And then I did two more shows, three,

four shows in the first season at the end. And then he called me and said, dude, they love you. They want you for next year. So that's also awesome. I said this 21 years ago,

I believe against George Gross when he interviewed me for Sherdog, was just started Sherdog. 21 years ago. And my dream job, he asked me about, a long story short And my dream job, he asked me about. And long story short, my dream job would be to work in an American sitcom, I said. And he said, you don't want to fight?

I said, no, I'll did all that. I just want to make people laugh. Look at you there. Wow, that's hilarious. It's so funny. What a life that is, man. A sitcom. It's fun.

Everybody's happy. Yeah, it's such a good time. I did that shit for five years.. A sitcom. It's fun. Everybody's happy. Yeah, it's such a good time. I did that shit for five years. Yep. Yeah. It's interesting. What happened with, they were going to reboot it? What was it?

Fear Factor? They did reboot it with Ludacris. Oh, so they didn't? No, I wasn't going to do it. Oh, yeah. You're too busy, too, right? I'm too busy. You're all over the place. I don't want to do it.

Almost got into a fight. Remember that? Oh, on Fear Factor? Yeah. Some silly guy. Almost got into a fight. Remember that? Oh, on Fairfax? Yeah. Some silly guy. Poor fuck. Crazy people. Yeah, that's the problem with a reality show

is you're dealing with all these wacky people that are trying to get famous, whereas you're on a sitcom, you're dealing with the other people that you're working with on a daily basis. When I was on news radio, we were like a weird little dysfunctional family. That's what happens in those sitcom sets sitcom sets get very close to each other

yeah it's love it's it's a it's a great job man it really is like the funny yeah yeah you know I'm laughing the whole time if people would have a camera on me and if I'm laying in bed going over the script I mean it's all I didn't realize that almost everything they say is funny you don't catch that when you're watching. But that's why the reruns are so good. Every time you see new jokes. Right. But pretty much everything is tied in together.

Every single line, you go, oh, my God, this comes back from that scene before. It's all tied in. People don't realize what a good stand-up comedian Kevin is, too. Yeah. He's a very good writer. He's a very, very good writer. Very funny guy. Yeah, a very good writer. He's a very, very good writer. Very funny guy. Yeah, a lot of fun.

He just doesn't have enough stand-up specials out where people don't appreciate how good he really is. Yeah, he's going to do it for Netflix now. I know, I know. He's doing a show now. I'm happy. Yeah. I think you already filmed it. Did you already film it?

I think so, too. I think so, too. I went to a few because once we were there, he started going to some stand-up places to start practicing because he was out for a little bit. Yeah. And now, boom. We started out together. We have the same manager, and I got him hooked up with my manager. Yeah.

Back in, like, fucking 1993 or some shit. I don't even remember what year it was. Kevin and I were buddies in New York. You were roommates, right? No, we never lived together, but we were just like, we were friends. We were both like in our early, early twenties. We were just starting out. Yeah. He told me that he used to watch Pancrase with you and that's how he knew me. And so when I came to America, I had this management right away calling to say, Hey, he wants to meet you.

So that was cool. That is cool. Yeah. Kevin used to watch all that shit with me. We used to watch Pancrase in the early k1 fights and everything Yeah, yeah, Kevin is a fucking serious martial artist to people Yeah, he get hit man. You know fucking power. This is a cool thing We were shooting here comes the boom He at the end with Krzysztof Sosinski when he lifts him up for the armbar, right? So the scene is coming and they bring in a crane with a cable because it needs to be controlled, of course, for the film. So he's asking, he says, oh, by the way, can I have your attention?

So all these extras are there. And he says, Krzysztof, lay down. So Krzysztof puts him in an armbar. He lifts Krzysztof up above his head, puts him back, lifts him up above his head, brings him back, does it three times in a row. He says, did you see that? I just want to bring it out there so people can see because now the cable comes in, otherwise

everybody says that I can't do it. And everybody was like, what? He just did that. He just did it three times in a row. He's a gorilla. And his speed and his punches, if you see him, that's not sped up on Here Comes the Boom. I mean, the way he's hitting, what he's doing. The very first time

I was training him, I remember coming home and telling my, she says, and I said, man, he's hitting, what he's doing. The very first time I was training him, I remember coming home and telling my, she says, and I said, man, he's a big guy, but dude, he listens to every little thing I say and he will do it immediately.

I mean, his mind-body connection is really good. It is really good. And eye coordination as well is a really good golfer too. Yeah, he's a good dude.

I've known that guy forever. All right, boss. Hi. I think we should wrap this up. So karate.com if anybody wants to go. Karate Combat. And you said April 26th in Miami. And you could stream it live on karate.com.

For free. Give them your email address. Boom. And they hook it up. And it should be fun. And these guys, where are the athletes coming from? All over the world. That's the greatest thing. And if should be fun. And these guys, where are the athletes coming from? All over the world. That's the greatest thing.

And if you have any, you know, contact these people. You know, because they listen to the fans. So if you say, hey, man, please, are you thinking about the low kicks? I heard it on Joe Rogan that we're talking about. You know, and maybe watch a few fights and see what you think. And once you think, hey, yeah, it should be added, start emailing them. Just talk about it. Because they throw it in the group. They listen to the people, and then let's see what happens.

Well, I'm seeing a lot of six-packs, so I'm very impressed already. They look good. Boss Rootin, ladies and gentlemen, thank you, sir. Always a pleasure, my brother. Godspeed. Godspeed to you as well. Bye. Bye.

Bye. Bye. Bye. Woo!