The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #3 with Brendan Schaub

Episode Date: November 29, 2017

Joe Rogan sits down with Brendan Schaub to discuss UFC218.

Five, four, three, two, one. Yeehaw, Brandon Schaub! What's up, dawg? What are you doing over there, texting people? No, I'm reposting your posts, man. It's all about that, bro. Gotta be on top of that social media account, bro. I'm trying, man.

What's up, dawg? How are you, brother? I'm good, man. This is a big weekend. Big UFC weekend, man. Huge weekend. That Justin Gagey and Eddie Alvarez fight. First team

all violence. Yeah, that's like that's the one I'm thinking about. Maybe more than even the title fight. Yes, there's a few more than the title fight. That fight's exciting to me though. Is it? Yes. I know it's not that much to you. I like it.

It's not that I don't like it i i like it but i love francis and over him and i love gaethje alvarez yeah yeah i agree you know alvarez is an underdog i like his shot as an underdog wow because i think that's incredible as much as i love gaethje and i should root for more more, I do root for him because we're from Denry's, we're my old team, stuff like that. I've trained a ton with him back in the day. I just feel like at a certain level, that stand-and-bang Leonard Garcia type of style

at the upper echelons can get you in trouble. And if Eddie Alvarez wants to play that game, he's going to lose. But he has the skill set to win by decision, outsmart him, not play that meathead game. See, this is where I disagree. I don't think that Justin Gagey really plays a meathead game. I think he plays a will game. I think he's skillful, but when there's an opportunity to get someone to do a battle of wills, he's more confident in his will. And I think at the upper echelon, you can't play that game.

Because think about the other guys at 55. Play that game with Tony Ferguson could be right now. Play that game with Ed Barbosa. Yeah, but I want to see that. I do too. No, don't get me wrong. No, no, no. He's a fan favorite for sure.

I love Gaethje. Absolutely love him. I just think at a certain level, you can't play that chin down, throw him those bows. Maybe. Or you can. Name a guy who's done it successfully. Well, it's only him. You can't say him. He's 18-0. So it's only

him, and he hasn't faced the top guys yet. Correct. So we're going to see what he's capable of doing or whether or not he's capable of switching it up if he has to. But he's been able to survive 18 professional fistfights. First of all, 17 of those are in World Series of Fighting. That's true. Well, other organizations first, right?

Those don't count. They count a little. Not compared to the UFC. No. The Michael Johnson fight was the first big test. That one counted? And he got tagged in that fight. He got tagged.

He got lit up a little bit. He got tagged, and Michael Johnson eventually succumbed to the violence. Because he played his game. He got tagged. He got lit up a little bit. He got tagged and Michael Johnson eventually succumbed to the violence. Because he played his game. Yeah. Well, you know, they were talking so much shit to each other before that fight. It was so, like, Gaethje just dragged him into a war. What Gaethje and I don't think a lot of people realize is he's

an All-American wrestler from Northern Colorado. Like, that dude can wrestle. He's athletic, too. He's just like, I'm good, man. He's a fucking animal. He refuses to go backwards. That's his whole thing. It's an ego thing.

He doesn't want to take a step back, which can get you in trouble, I think. Only at a certain level is it going to get you in trouble. It's got him this far, and he's a fan favorite. But I think at the upper echelon, it's going to be tough. Well, we're going to see how he adjusts. Say, if he's in there with the Nets and Barbosa. By the way, they did Barbosa and Habib.

Bet your ass they did. Holy Jesus. That's a good fight. Is that the Vegas fight? Is that December? December 30th. That whole card's nasty. You got Holly Cyborg on there. That card's nasty. That's a nasty card, but that Barbosa fight is so fascinating to me

because Barbosa is so goddamn fast. He's so fast. He fucks people up with that stand-up. His stand-up is so crisp. Remember when Barboza fought Anthony Pettis and you're like, ooh. Yes. You realize, like, wow, this is some next-level striking. But, you know, he's vulnerable, too.

Cowboy cracked him with a jab, remember? And then Cowboy choked him out. Yeah, he's lost some kind of key fight, so he hasn't really had, you know. If that Habib shows up, though, looking like that, he's just got to keep his weight down. That's really the main thing. I hope what Daniel Cormier said is true.

Daniel Cormier said that he's got a new nutritionist, and he's got him on point, and he's in the 170s now, which is way lighter than he's ever been before, you this many weeks out of a fight i swear to god if tiramisu ruins that fight i'm gonna bust i'm gonna freak the fuck out well what you really have to be concerned with and take this with a grain of salt because clearly i'm not a doctor but i would imagine that if you've had not one but two instances where your body shuts down from cutting weight two he had it with the michael johnson. Two, he had it with the Michael Johnson fight, and then he had it again in the fight with Tony Ferguson

where he had to pull out. But they said it was similar to what happened in the Michael Johnson weight cut. Even worse, though. He barely made it. Yeah, but even worse this last one. Yeah. Well, he came in too heavy.

I mean, he's trying to drain too much water. I mean, it's as simple as that. I think how bad it was, if you're from Russia, if you're from Russia, he would have fought with one leg and he got so bad to check in with the doctor They brought him to the hospital. Yeah, I mean he was in the liver shutting down. Yeah, he was he's kidney So yeah, it's not good. Whatever it is. I thought it was his liver too. Maybe maybe it was his kidneys But I'd read liver, but I think I'd read it from like a teammate talking about it So might not have been the accurate.

Usually it has to do with weight cuttings, the kidneys. Right. And that's what fails people, right, when they have real issues. Okay, so Usman, Emile Meek, that is this weekend. See, this is a fight that people aren't fucking talking about enough. No, Usman's on December 30th. Oh, December 30th. But Emile Meek can't make it, right, because of Visa.

Is he out? First of all, Emile Meek's first team all body. Savage. The snitch needs to snoop around. Norway. Yeah. He's an animal. That dude's shredded.

He's all straight Viking, though. He's got Viking DNA, man. That's like real marauder. Yeah. No, he's just a natural freak. Yeah. But so is Usman. That's why it's such a good fight.

He's a scary guy. Terrifying. No one wants to fight him. Nobody. And no one's talking about him. Darren Till does. Darren Till does. Yeah. But so is Usman. That's why it's such a good fight. He's a scary guy. Terrifying. No one wants to fight him. Nobody. And no one's talking about him. Darren Till does. Darren Till does. Darren Till fights anybody. So exciting to have him around. I know. He's a new one. He's a sleeper. He's a new one.

I feel like this card, though, has been kind of under the radar a little bit. A little bit. Yeah. A little bit. Like I did on Monday and went, bro, you know Francis and Overeem fight Saturday? This weekend. I totally forgot. Did you see Francis break the world record for the hardest punch?

I have skeptical hip eyes on that. Oh, I knew you would. I'm just saying, how many guys have punched that thing? Have you punched it? They said thousands have punched it. Oh. I saw that company responding in Joe's Twitter.

It's actually a company that does it. I'll look it up. They do it all over the world. Oh, did you question the thing? Oh, okay, good. We were like, how many people have done it? And then we found out that Tyrone Spong came in second. Has Mark Hunt hit it with a left hook?

Did Crow Cop kick it? It's the hardest punch. Okay. I don't think Crow Cop's kicked it okay i'd like to see the hardest kick right yeah but i'd like to see if mark hunt hit that bitch with a left hook right right i need i need to see some of that stuff like what other heavyweights hit it because of course francis is huge but he might be the hardest hitting heavyweight alive that's possible too i'd like to get carwin on that thing carwin in his prime even carwin right now straight yeah

did you see mitrione called out carwin for steroids no you haven't seen this talking crazy shit of course that's what matt does his name out there yeah he is because for the bellator uh heavyweight tournament you know matt's fighting roy yeah and then they go you know carwin asked coker to be an alternate on Roy. Yeah, and then they go, you know shut carwin asked Coker to be a alternate on there so he gets hurt and then they asked Matt about it He's like, I mean they need to test that for that freaking guy There's no way he's clean and just went about this whole business like anyone who I fight has to be clean I doubt carwin is so now carwin's calling out Matt now careful what you asked for Maddie Oh, yeah, because even if he's clean, good luck. Those bones.

He's got some just caveman bone structure. A lot of anger built up. You don't want that. But back to Francis breaking that record. I need to see what other heavyweights hit that thing before I celebrate. Right. Yeah. Yeah.

Man, how many fucking great guys have backs given out on in their prime? Back's a big one. I mean, Kane's has some issues. Yeah, Kane's a big one. Back's a big one. I mean, Kane's has some issues. Yeah, Kane's a big one. Shane's a big one. Those two guys alone. So the rumor was Kane fighting at UFC 220 in Boston against Kane and Stipe. Yeah.

That's not happening. Not happening? Not happening. How do you know? What do you know? Tell us. Tell us. Close source says Kane won't be ready.

Not happening. Stipe will fight the winner if it's a good win, of Francis over him. So what's the issue that's holding him back? I'm not sure. I just know he won't be ready by Boston. So it's some sort of recovery issue, some injury thing, something? I guess. Just not ready.

They're saying no. Yeah, it's just not happening. It's all bullshit. Wow. Do they have a fight for that January 20th? Not yet. That's really soon. Yeah, January 20th, yeah. Wow. Do they have a fight for that January 20th? Not yet. That's really soon. Yeah, January 20th, yeah.

Doesn't that seem soon? Pretty soon. Yeah, definitely soon enough where if you- Two months. Especially if it's a heavyweight title fight, you want something on there. It's less than two months. That's soon. Yeah.

And I'm hoping for a big fight announcement because I'm at the Wilbur the night before, sir. What else is on that card already? Wow, it's really light. Really light. Well, they're getting around to it. But you know Boston, it's Dana's hometown, so he's not going to disappoint. Glacent Tebow back in the house after Pessin Hot. What is he going to look like?

Not like that. What do you think he's going to look like? Because he's the freakiest of the freaks at 155 pounds. Dude, he was Those days are over Dude he would come into the octagon. Oh my god on fight night and you know how the fuck are you on her 55? What in the world? How the fuck are you not a middleweight? He's a middleweight. I mean, I'm not exaggerating He looked like a fucking middleweight. He looked like Paul Harris.

When Paul Harris was a middleweight, he looked like Gleason Tebow looks when he's a lightweight. Pretty similar, yeah. So jacked and skillful. Hell yeah. You know? He's a monster. Not just jacked. No, he's a monster.

He's a fucking animal. So he's got everything going. But I was disappointed that Stipe and Kane wasn't going to go down. Because I think if Stipe a beats cane then there's argument for steep is the best heavyweight of all time if we were to beat cane well if he beats cane a healthy cane that's see the thing is what we really need is time machine we need to fucking take primetime cane and stick them in pride with primetime fedor let's find out and you got to do it in pride too because look with no commission i's find out. And you got to do it in pride, too.

Because, look, I don't know what the fuck they were doing over there, but I know the result. If I'm just looking at the result as a person who's an analyst, I got to look at Primetime Fedor as number one. Primetime Fedor throwing bombs on Noguera when he's pinned against the fucking ring apron. Remember that? Noguera's in the corner. Fedor's on top of him just dropping those casting punches. I know. Boom!

Those crazy Russian punches that come like this. Wham! Just, ooh! That's why it's difficult when they, who's the best of all time? It's like, all right,

well, we going off pre-snitch? Right. Or we going snitch era? Yeah. Because we go going snitch era, you got Stipe, but even- If you don't know

who the golden snitch is, it's Jeff Davitsky. And again, that's not a bad term. He's coming on the podcast. We're working the date out right now. And I'm a fan. I'm a fan, too. I like the guy.

I like what he's doing. Yeah, when I say Golden Snitch, I'm just playing around. Before, it used to be who had the best cheater, who had the best chemists, who had the best doctors. Who had the best doctor. Who had the best guy that could make you test positive, or test clean, rather, after the weigh-in. That's all you had to do.

Except for, look at Overeem. He's a guy, you know, fighting this weekend where, obviously, he's done some stuff, some gear in his life. He's tested hot and he's paid the price. And then the Golden Snitch comes in and his team goes, All right, dude, you can't just rely on power. You got to start using the technique, which you have, so let's focus on it. He's doing pretty damn well. Pretty damn well. He had that one loss before it's that lost steep. He was smoking dudes

Yeah, his loss to steep a wasn't that bad cuz he had steep ain't a lot of trouble Definitely did actually thought you know in the post fight and I think yeah He say I kicked BS thought he choked him out. He tapped that metal thing. Those guys were stunned That was a close fight though very close fun And he goes on you know Verdum, his last fight. And now he's fighting Francis, where that's not, obviously, Francis is a tough fight. Francis is the favorite. But, dude, Overeem's the best striker, most decorated striker of all time in the heavyweight division.

Like, Overeem can win that fight. You know, I broke down on my podcast how many times Overeem's been stopped on the last podcast, last MMA podcast. It's crazy. Is it 19? I don't know. Am I off? I think it's like 13 in MMA or somewhere between 11 and 13 in MMA and an additional three or four in kickboxing.

That is a lot of stoppage losses. It's a lot. But I think he's been fighting more than anyone too. Yeah. But if you look at the last few years, there's an exorbitant amount of losses by stoppage. For Overeem? Yeah. Yeah, it's quite a few over the last few years.

Well, it's a number of things, right? It's all the wear and tear in the ring and also not being able to do gear. See, look, Ben Rothwell, Travis Brown, the Bigfoot Silva one. That was bad. Hold on, don't go back. All those happen inside of a couple of years, man.

It's one year. So in one year, from February of 2013, literally, to September of 2014. That's not much time. And he's been brutally knocked out three times in that time. Well, at least two of them are really brutal. The Ben Rothwell fight was like he got cracked with a big shot and dropped. And then they stopped the fight, I think, at a good time. That could happen to anybody.

That could happen to anybody. But the Bigfoot fight, that wasn't a regular KO. That was goddamn ruthless. Travis Brown got him pretty bad, too, with that front kick to the grill. The Bigfoot fight was so interesting, though, because it was so obviously post-snitch. Yep. He didn't figure it out yet. He went from being Uberim when he beat Brock Lesnar. fight was so interesting, though, because it was so obviously post-snitch. Yep. It was just, he went from being Uberim when he beat Brock Lesnar.

That was the Uberim. Scariest man to ever enter the octagon. Ever. In that fight, when you look across the octagon, 265, maybe 10% body fat, jacked to the tits. Check, please. I'm out. And best kickboxer to ever fight in MMA. Yeah, I'm out. Oh, Jesus.

What a disaster. I'm out. What are you going to do? What there. Yeah, I'm out. Oh Jesus. What a does I'm out? What are you gonna do night, but then he figures it out though? You have that and then he figures out and junior dos Santos fight Yeah, but you know now before back Oh uber ream up when his uber ring before the going snitch You'd like back in that dude up right did you're paying the price now? I'm a fuck will turn his back and run out of the way Hey just gets the fuck out of there by any means necessary. See ya.

I wonder if he would ever be, you know, that was one of the things that Mitch Rion brought up about Joe Silva. He said that Joe Silva told him that he got a small ring or that it was going to be a large ring when he fought Roy, Big Country. And it wasn't.

It was a small ring. So he said that he was upset about that. I've had that happen before too though. But again and I'm not defending Joe Silva here I've worked a ton with Joe Silva obviously all over the years. It doesn't really work like that. It really doesn't where you can make demands on the cage and ask

for this and ask for that. It is what it is and you might prefer something like yeah maybe but Joe Silva's dealing with so many different dynamics. The cage goes hey what's the cage? So I'm like, oh, it's a 24-foot. All right, cool. Yeah, I guess it's a bigger cage.

You want the fight or not, man? Right. You know, like there's so much going on. I don't think he purposely lied to Matt and was like, it's a big cage. Take the fight. But I wonder what fights would be like if the cage was much smaller. Less technique. You're going to get a bunch of gaugey fights, which isn't a bad thing.

Right. But if you're a technical guy like Mitrione who's crazy athletic with footwork or a Barboza or a Conor McGregor, you don't want that small cage. It limits your resources and your abilities. You get smothered, and it cuts all your angles short. Everything off the exchange, like if you're too close to a cage, anything off the exchange, you're cutting short too close to a cage, anything off the exchange, you're cut and short. You're going to run into the cage.

So now you can't go back that way because you won't get out of the way of the shot and you can't go back that way. So you have a limited amount of movements that you can make. It's a grappler's paradise. Yeah. Well, it's also a brawler's paradise, right? So those two things. Khabib, if the fight was done in a smaller octagon, Khabib would never lose.

I think, yeah, for sure. But I think also one thing that it would favor is real high-level Muay Thai guys. In the clinch? Yeah, they're always clinching and going after each other. And I think that style, the Muay Thai style is not like Wonderboy style where they're sliding out of the way of everything. They're standing right in front of you and checking things and attacking and clinching. I don't think it would be better for the sport.

Maybe not better for the sport, but it would be interesting to see how it favors certain styles. And I think that it would favor a good wrestler with some real good Muay Thai. Hell, yeah. It would be a real good environment for them. You think if, let's say, Francis were to just starch Overeem, which, listen, Overeem watches P's and Q's for 15 minutes. He uses technique,

run when you have to, even if people don't like it, win by decision. Great, man. But if he doesn't watch his P's and Q's and gets starched by Francis, you think Francis deserves a shot right away? If Francis starches him, Francis is the hottest commodity in the heavyweight division. So he deserves a final shot. Yeah, I think

Overeem is ranked two? He's number one. No, he's number one. Kane's not number Overeem is ranked two. He's number one. No, he's number one. Kane's not number one? No. Okay, so he's number one, which is crazy for him to take this fight. And Verdum's number two. So no one knows, and that's really nuts, because that fight, those two had, boy, that was as close a fight as you can get, and most people thought that Verdum won.

Yeah, I think Verdum did win. No one got robbed, though. No one got robbed. But it was a shitty fight. Verdum hurt him, and Overeem never really hurt Verdum. Not the same way, at least. I'm sure he hit him hard. I thought Verdum won the fight.

I thought Verdum won the fight, too. I thought that one round where he rocked him and hurt him, that was the most significant moment of the fight. For sure. So how do you not make Francis go through Verdum to get to Stipe? That's interesting. It's a very good question. Because that's a tougher matchup for Francis than Overeem. Verdum's a motherfucker. Well, I don't know what's going

on with Stipe. Why don't they have a challenger for Stipe? It's the heavyweight division. It's a bunch of dinosaurs. Right, but is that what it is? Because I had heard that there was some contract negotiation shit going on. There's that's that yeah i've heard that you know where that pen's been you suck it on that pen that's just no i just put it here i don't suck on it no i won't suck on it i'll put on my lip i won't suck on it though nah man just the tip won't suck on it though um yeah i know i know steve bay's ready to go for February. He is. Yeah.

So they just don't have an opponent for him. Maybe they'll try to do it for January for Boston. They're hoping that, you know, Francis and this Overeem thing work out. Yeah, because listen. Because for Doom it's too soon. A rematch with Stipe for Overeem is a very interesting fight. I agree. It's a very interesting fight.

You can sell that. Especially if he beats Francis, who everyone's so high And mighty on Yeah If you were to get by him How can you deny it Yeah it's true Francis is just Oh I'm fucking terrified

I'm fucking terrified See I'm not on board yet I'm terrified Have you seen him fight live Uh No Oh Nope

I have not Should be illegal I've been to one Should be illegal Easy Easy He hits people so fucking hard. Have you seen Overeem fight live?

Oh, I have. Have you seen him knee fucking Mark Hunt into- The Brock Lesnar fight was probably the scariest one because it was like, this guy's the greatest heavyweight of all time. And he smashed Brock Lesnar like that. I'm like, oh my God, what if he could do that to Kane? What if he could do that to everybody? Yeah, but you're watching a superhero where it's like, ah, fuck, I don't have the resources

to get on the same shit. But now that he's off the shit and he flatlined Mark Hunt, that's scary to me. I know, right? What if they had no testing, though? None. Zero. Zero. He was able to make the testing requirements as minimal as they were back then.

He pulled it off. He tested clean. Yeah, he did. Imagine if there was no fucking testing. He had to cycle off. Yeah. You look like that cycling off. Cycling off, he looks like that.

But think about this. Francis is as natural as fucking coconut water. That motherfucker is all natural. Now, imagine if he could take something. Oh, God. Then what do we do? Everybody's screwed. We got a real problem.

We got a real problem. He shreds city, hits harder than anyone now, eating freaking plantains. There's Overeem in the Overeem days. Bomb, bomb, bomb. Francis is no punk, though. Bring up Francis, that fine mocha skin. Prime Overeem versus prime Tank Abbott. Who takes it?

Get the fuck out of here. The forums are hilarious, man. They're hilarious. How dare you? They're so silly. Yeah, he doesn't look the same, but he doesn't look bad. Like, if he was just a heavyweight fighter and he was built the way he's built now, you would say he's a powerful guy.

I mean, if you see him in his last fight, pull up the last fight with him versus Mark Hunt. I mean, he definitely doesn't look like a small guy. He's still somewhere around the 250-something range. Everyone's bodies look different. Literally everyone's bodies look different. Yeah. Everybody's look different. Eric Silva was a big one that people kept bringing up.

He was like this dime piece. Yeah, and then it just all changed. Yeah, but see, you look at Alistair there. He's just got more body fat, more stomach fat, less muscle. He has a little bit of a gut. He has almost a dad bod that works out on the weekends. I wouldn't say that. You said that, not me.

Well, fit dad bod though. You know what I'm saying? Like an active dad. Yeah. I mean, he's just, but what's interesting is that he's such a fighter. That gear or no gear. I mean, he comes to fucking fight. He comes to kill you, man.

Because he has the best technique in the world. Look at that. That fucking KO. Oh my God. You flatline Mark Hunt, you bastard. You know, Mark Hunt flew to Vegas to get all this stuff checked off? Yeah. The brain scan and all that.

And what did they say about it? I'm not sure. But he at least made the effort to fly from Australia to there so he can clear this up and get back in the cage. Because, again, I think for Francis, unless he – there's an argument. If he just goes out there and starches over him in 10 seconds, like, all right, well, we got to figure out what he's worth. Let's give him Stipe

but if he doesn't man you could give him Marc Hunt that's a great fight give him Verdum cause you gotta walk through some fire cause look at the fire Stipe walked through to be the heavyweight champ. It's a good point and you know he really has only beaten Arlovsky it's just we're looking at him at the magnitude of

his performances against guys that ruin in his league you know it's like you just see the magnitude of his impact. He's a guy that you go, who the fuck's going to stop that? But they're all favorable matchups. You know what I'm saying? It's like your favorite baseball player, he's only hitting off the pitcher who we know he can hit home running off of. When you give him a guy who actually can throw some junk and he's not as good,

or if he hits that guy, all right, then he is what he's worth. Well, prime time came when have showed us what was up. You know, a primetime Kane versus him where you can get him down, hold him down, beat him up. Primetime Kane, you know, I also think Stipe right now, he might, you know, he's in his prime. He might be at the end of his prime. Stipe's in his prime. I don't think Stipe's at the end of his prime at all. I think Stipe's right in there.

He's right there where he could get Francis. I want to see Francis wrestle. That's what his prime. Yeah. I don't think Stipe's at the end of his prime at all. I think Stipe's right in there. He's in the heat. He's right there where he could get Francis. And he's – I want to see Francis wrestle. That's what I want to see. But, again, from sources, they say he's a nightmare to take down. I believe it. I mean, he looks so goddamn strong.

And the way he hits. I mean, he hits – your window of opening is so little, and your mistakes are so costly. Anytime you make a mistake with him, you just get bombed on so hard You're like no, but but when you got a guy like Kane or steep a where they go. I know you got power I'm put my chest in your freaking chest for 25 minutes. Yeah, I'm gonna put my head straight in your chest Good luck firing off man. Oh when you do fire off. I'm gonna take you down Yeah, at least keep you busy. You can't just fire off and now deal with that. And throw ridiculous

combinations on you with constant barrage of strikes. Keep hammering you over and over again. Hammer fist, elbows, punches, punches, punches. You never get tired. Francis is similar to me as a JDS. Similar where

decent footwork. I don't think he's athletic as JDS, but good footwork, power puncher. But when you get a guy like Steve Barricane who don't play that game on the outside where they just want to get dirty, you're in some trouble, man. Well, it's going to be interesting to see if he's in some trouble because, you know, if he can stuff the takedown, if he can keep those guys standing up with him, then you're going to see some nightmares.

True. Because he's getting better all the time. The thing about Francis, he hasn't even really been fighting that long. He doesn't have this long, crazy record. No, not at all. And the UFC was like, you might be something special. Let's come to Vegas and you just work out in this sports center while we inject this Bain supplement in you, whatever the fuck it is.

You don't even use protein powder. He's worried about testing hot. Wow. He takes nothing. Good. Perfect. We need to see what the fuck's possible i agree what kind of genetics are there out there i agree he's like you know what we were talking

yesterday about uh bo jackson callen and i were going about bo jackson but there's certain athletes that in their prime they just like we're just a notch above everything else like just out of the womb there's a just a different animal We don't all start at the same starting line. Hershel Walker, another good example. Freak. What's that? Now, see, my problem is we can't put Francis in that discussion yet. Not yet.

Not even close. No, not yet. He's not even close there. He has some work to do. Not as far as greatness and accomplishments. Freakish? But as far as like physical freak. I don't know yet.

Yeah, I don't know either. But Francis scares the shit out of me when you watch him hit people it's boom you see them go oh jesus he's just so big and so powerful and so undeniable when he comes moving in for the kill he's undeniable yeah he's a very scary guy but you're totally right he's got to be tested we've seen many many guys like him go bust. Overeem is a test, but Overeem's a guy where for 15 minutes, if Francis lands that freaking bomb of his, Overeem's probably going out because his chin's not the same. He's been in so many up-and-down wars, you know?

And Francis is a naturally bigger man. I mean, you've got to remember Alistair fought at 205. Before he fought Chuck at 205. He used to be real skinny. That's right. down wars you know and he's um francis is a naturally bigger man i mean you gotta remember alistair fought at 205 before he fought chuck at 205 used to be real skinny that's right francis is a big motherfucker he's big i mean he's he's a natural 265 pound man thick dude yeah that's a dangerous guy because in the beginning of the fight especially he's if he pushed pressure and he moves forward and puts pressure and he's real explosive and fast, something gets in there. Something gets in there. Here's the X factor is Overeem in the clinch.

There's no one better than the heavyweight division. We haven't seen Francis in the clinch with a world-class guy like Overeem. Because, again, Overeem we forget because the demolition man's been around so long. He gets you in that clinch, those elbows, those knees. The knees. Best knees in the fucking division. God, yeah. That's Mark Hunt.

Yeah. I mean, yeah. That's Fujita. Yeah. That was horrifying. Yeah. Almost killed a guy. Who's that other guy, the kickboxer?

Teixeira, I think. The kickboxer that he fought over in K1 where they decided to make it so you could only hold one hand behind the head. Alistair would get two hands behind your head and that was night and night. He would just drop those knees on your chin. See, that's the funnest fight on the card to me. Francis over him. Just where they go,

their career paths, stuff like that. I'd say the Gagey Alvarez one is, but they're both right up there. Either one, look, there's three giant fights in this card the aldo holloway fight is a giant fight for me i want that fight i want to see it i like the fight just if we're going off all those words saying he did have issues with his legs that's why he wasn't kicking before yeah i i don't buy it i really don't buy it and if that if that was a

problem it's true i don't but because in his previous fights and fights after that, he hasn't been using all of his tools. Well, I think there's a strategy for that, though. The Frankie Edgar fight, I really believe that he didn't use his kicks because I think he felt like Frankie was training for those kicks. And he was training to take him down off the leg kicks. Everyone kicks, though. We know all that. But he's so goddamn good at it. He didn't.

Right. He just boxed. To me, he's become very fundamental in just boxing, planting his feet. He's gotten away from what got him to the dance. Maybe. Maybe. Or we can go he was hurt. Yeah, if we're basing it on those two fights and if you have to believe

him, and I'm just going to believe him just for the sake of believing him. If he says his leg was hurt, it makes sense. It also makes sense how he was getting tired quick. He got tired pretty quick in that fight. Yeah, he did. Which if he had a leg injury it would make sense. He wouldn't be able to push as hard in him. If he says his leg was hurt, it makes sense. It also makes sense how he was getting tired quick. He got tired pretty quick in that fight. Yeah, he did. Which if he had a leg injury, it would make sense. He wouldn't be able to push as hard in camp. And he was winning those early rounds. Yeah. There was a huge speed

advantage for Aldo early in those rounds. And then Max Holloway took over. Yeah, well Max Holloway measures you. He doesn't burn himself out early. He's got tremendous endurance. He measures you and he starts putting it on you, putting it on you. What Max is really good at is distance control. Really good at movement

and distance control and just not being there and fighting smart. He's also big and long. And the cut doesn't kill him. For 145, he's very tall. Very physically strong. Also hits like a Mack truck. Yep. Hits like a truck and he's just got that thing. He's got that savage champion warrior spirit. You're going to have to kill him to get him out of there. Yeah, man truck and he's just got that thing he's got that savage champion warrior

spirit you're gonna have to kill him to get him out of there yeah man and he's just it's he's a fascinating guy because he's like hawaiian to the bone yes you know and you go over to hawaii man and he has the next shot at being like the new bj pen bj pen bj pen is a legend and he's a legend from the early days and he's a legend from the early days. And he's a legend when he went up to heavyweight and fought Lyoto Machida. Oh, my God. I mean, BJ was a fucking monster in his day. One of my favorite people.

Yeah, a monster. So it's going to be a while before Max gets into those lofty grounds. But he's on his way. He's on his way. And what's interesting is both BJ and Max are two of the nicest guys in the world. Yeah, super nice guys. They both have that in common. They're both from Hawaii, both monsters.

Yeah. No, Max could, especially at 145, because Conor's never going back there. For Max, he could be a BJ pen type. Yeah. I wonder if he challenges Conor. No. If Conor comes back, who knows? What did Conor do?

Did he just get in a brawl in a bar? Is that real? So, you know, in Dana White's in a bar is that real oh so you know in dana white scrum he goes listen it's if it was that big there'd be more video of it dana goes i i'm dana's basically saying i'm skeptical hip lies that happen people that i know in dublin and that are blowing me up are saying dude it's real connor's a bit of trouble because he has a friend from one area of of Ireland that's in this mafia and that got beat up by these guys.

Connor finds out the guys who beat up his friend are in this bar. So Connor comes in there, beats the hell out of that guy. Well, that guy's associated with this pretty intense mafia family over there. So now there's a hit out on Connor is what they're saying. What? Yes. For 900 grand. What?

Now, how much of that is true? much of it is speculation i'm not sure holy shit and because on my podcast i was like you know i don't know it sounds like a bunch of hoopla people just want to be associated and i have so many people going bro here's the background of the guys that he's messing with and they've done some gnarly shit like there's a boxing uh promotion that they just came in dressed as masked men and shot up the whole thing. They're like, he's dealing with gnarly dudes. Whoa.

But then, again, I guess in Dublin, especially Connor being who he is, you can have these associations with this underground world, stuff like that. What are you trying to say about Dublin, bro? It's awesome. It's my favorite place I've ever been. Man, that is terrible. That's a terrible scene.

I don't know what to believe. I don't know the ins and outs of it. I don't, you know, and Dana, again, said this in his scrum. It's always fascinating when Dana does those scrums because it's all hearsay, stuff like that. But then they go, you know, what's next for Conor? You got to fight for him? He goes, listen, man, the guy has $100 million in the bank. Fighting sucks. I don't know if he's ever going to get punched in the face again.

He has $100 million. It's a legit point. It's a totally legit point. But $100 million can go a lot faster than you think if you like the ball. Because here's the thing. You don't really get $100 million. You get $100 million, but then you've got to pay taxes. You've got to pay your trainer fee.

You've got to pay whatever you pay your manager. So let's say you have 70. You wouldn't have 70. After taxes? Yep. Nope. Nope. Nope.

Nope. If you make 100 in America, in America, if you make 100, I mean, like realistically, I think it's everything over $250,000 a year is taxed. Find out what that is. It's 35%. 38% or something like that. And then, you know, you gotta think he's got managers and trainers and agents. And when you make, here's a question that I should know the answer to, but I do not.

When you make money, if you're from Ireland, you make money in America, do you have to pay taxes in America? Because I know you have to do that if you make money in Canada. If you make money in Canada, like you do gigs in Canada, you have to pay taxes in Canada. You have to pay taxes in Dublin and England and Australia when I did comedy out there. And then you also have to pay those taxes when you get home. You have to pay your own taxes. Yeah. So I don't know if you get double tax, but there's ways around it.

So let's say- So let's say make 60. 40. Let's get to 60. I was going to say 40, being cool. Let's be cool. So you're married, you have $40 million. But that's just based off of the fight.

Now think about his endorsements. He can go through $40 million in three years. If you're a complete fucking moron. No, if you're the same type of guy that is Conor McGregor. I don't know about that because we're basing it off his Instagram

which is a persona of him, right? So you see the Royals Royces, these watches, a lot of the stuff. Remember, a lot of those Royals Royces, people give to him. Right. They donated them. Remember when people got pissed because he was standing on one of them?

Yeah. Yeah, they're like, bro, we gave that for you for the day. You're shitting on our Rolex. But, or Royals Royce. So I think, I don't know if he's that stupid with his money. That's interesting. Well, if that's the case, if he's not really completely balling out of control and all those Bentley photos and everything like that is all just for show and it's part of the persona

and part of the act, that makes sense. Well, if that's the case and he just wants to live like a fairly large, he can get by forever. Don't get me wrong, but he's not Mike Tyson stupid, John Jones stupid. But he's private jet stupid, right? And he's like Again, a lot of that can be borrowed. Yeah, it could be.

I mean, they're not even saying private jet stupid. If you've got a hundred million million, do whatever the fuck you want, sir. What I'm saying is if you want it to last for the rest of your days. Well, if you just invest it right, you're straight. See, the other thing is that the amount of possibility for him to make money, it's so staggering right now that I don't see that this is going to be the end of his career. I just do not agree with anybody that thinks he's not going to fight again. I think you're crazy. I think he's going to get bored.

I think he's going to want a challenge. I think he's going to realize there's a tremendous amount of money out there to be made. I'm not crazy. Dana White's crazy because I think he's going to fight again. Dana said he doesn't think he's going to fight again. Fighting sucks. Those aren't my words. I actually think he's going to fight again because I think he's more than just about money.

I think he's more about his legacy and what his you know his kind of foot mark in the sport is and i think he knows he has to defend that 155 pound title but he also knows many pacquiao called him out and he can go make a quick whatever 50 60 million fighting pacquiao yeah so there's a lot of opportunities there but i also know for a fact he has a shitload of opportunities in hollywood as well non-stop damn so he for he's gonna be fine either way as long as he doesn't get shot by a dublin gangster he should be fine yeah fuck the other thing is is gsp is not fighting whitaker gsp's the rumor mill from what i hear is he he might want to see if he can cut to 70, see if he can still get to 70 and do a super fight with Conor there.

Conor? See, that's what I had said. I'd said that Conor versus GSP would be like the biggest financial boom. If I was WME, I'd be like, listen, can we make this happen? That's what they want to do. Come on. In a dream situation, that's what all sides would want to have happen. And GSP, he's taking time off now, but I know he's going to see if he can cut to 70 to possibly make that happen.

He should be able to do it. Don't you think? Or does he get too thick? He is thicker than the Three Musketeers right now. He was thick city in that Bisping fight. He was pretty jacked. It's a lot of, well, he must be doing a lot of strength and conditioning. Yeah.

A lot of fucking. I mean, he's a musketeer. Dude, he's getting older, too, so the weight comes on. Yeah. But I wonder what he's doing for his weightlifting routine. He just has to get super strict. Also, I bet he could do it, especially at 70, if he realizes the possibilities on a super fight like Conor.

Because have you seen the numbers on his fight with Bisping? No. I think he came in at about 865. That's not bad. Not great, though. It's not as good as he could do. Well, it's not as good as the pay-per-view blockbuster stars no but it's not what they're hoping for four years see the thing is and you and i were talking about this is that

we both agreed like there's a lot of fans that are fans now that don't have a fucking clue who he is at least didn't before that fight no they came in with ronda yeah post ronda and post connor i think ronda brought a gigantic group in And then Connor brought another even more gigantic group in And especially the kids today That are like 18, 19, 20, 21 They have no fucking idea No clue You have to be hardcore to know who GSP is

But now they know Now they know he's the middleweight champ Holy shit he came back People will talk and it'll build it up And then the next one will be bigger I think he See even if he fought Whitaker I don't think it breaks a million

even now i think you're um you're probably in the ballpark i think it's probably gonna be close to a million i think he does it around 850 to 900 again it might be a little better maybe it's in australia it's a pay-per-view i think he has to have a a partner a dance partner like connor to break a million hmm well the Conor fight would be a million if Conor fought your mom. Yeah, straight up. Yeah. Yeah, no.

If Conor and Jamie fought, it'd be two million. Yeah, two million. Especially now. Anything he does after that Floyd Mayweather, there's so much just hype. Everyone wants to see his next move. It's going to be the biggest UFC of all time. Yeah, just for that.

Boy. Yeah, there's not a lot of giant matchups right now that are looming that make me excited more than that one does. Conor versus GSP is like, whoa. That's like a, I want to sit down and think about that one for a while. See, I have thought down and thought about it. And it's not a great fight for Conor. 70 is not where Conor belongs. It's not a great fight for Conor.

70 is not where Conor belongs, especially with the greatest welterweight of all time who can grapple his balls off. Grapple his balls off. He gets you to the ground. He's going to fuck you up. He's going to fuck you up. He's so much stronger. George is so big now. When I put my arm around him when I was doing the interviews with him at the weigh-ins,

I was like, what in the fuck? Thick. And this is like weighed in, rehydrated all day, and then I get to him at like 6 o'clock, which is what they're doing now, which is kind of interesting. But I was like, wow, he's like 200 pounds plus. He's a big boy.

Yeah, he's way bigger than he used to be. And everybody thought that Bisping was going to have this big advantage over him size-wise. But when you see George, George also has a very long style, keeps his legs wide, bounces around a lot in and out. And so he accomplishes a lot with his distance and his ability to close the distance.

It's only the size and reach advantage that Bisping had just didn't play in at all. That being said, though, Bisping, I mean, not Bisping. GSP has no business being a middleweight. That's not the land for him. Robert Whitaker's a dangerous fight for him at 185. But it's really the only fight. Granted, he's the champ. The size isn't that big of a deal.

The problem is he's in his prime. He's young and hits like a Mack truck. Oh, and he's good at everything. He's good at everything, and he fires fucking bombs at your face. He's trying to knock you out. He's tactical striking just to the opening is there. It's very interesting with Whitaker because he's the smaller guy at 85 in the land of the dinosaurs right now, the land of the giants with Rockhold.

You've got Yoel, Jacare, all these monsters. Weidman's a big boy. You have all those monsters. Then you have a guy like GSP who's your interim champion. And then you've got Kelvin that people are talking about where Kelvin's the undersized guy too. Well, GSP's not the interim champion. He's the legit champion. Whitaker's the interim champion.

That's true, which is such bullshit. It's kind of crazy, right? Yeah. So you have two champions, right? But it's such bullshit. Is it though? Yeah. It's bullshit.

What's bullshit about it? Take four years off. You jump the queue. You fight a guy that's perfect matchup for you. And you win. We didn't know that, though. You got Whitaker who walked through fucking monster land. But in his defense, he couldn't fight then.

He's injured. I know. I'm just saying. Right. But if they could not have made the Whitaker versus Bisping fight any earlier. Because Whitaker's knee was fucked up. True. So there was no fight to be made other than this in the middleweight division.

Unless you wanted to have Yoel who just fought for the title and lost fight Bisping for the real title after he lost for the interim title. That doesn't necessarily make sense. Heaven forbid we should wait. Well, I think that – Heaven forbid. Let's rush everything. Didn't you enjoy the GSP fight? Yeah, I did.

Yeah, I'm not a hater. What's the objecting? There's no objecting. I'm just saying as far as, to me, the real champion at 85 would be Whitaker. I don't give GSP that title. I do because he knocked out Rockhold. It's really simple. Rockhold was absolutely the world champion.

Correct. Bisping absolutely knocked him out. Correct. And then he beat Dan Henderson. Which is an argument there. Yeah, it's a little bit of an argument. We like it as guys who are Dan Henderson fans, but let's be real. Let's be real.

Was he the number one guy in the world at that time to fight for the weight title? Probably not. It was exciting to give Bisping what he wanted, which is a shot at redemption. Yeah. But he did win it. He won the fight. Although Dan thought he won. I could see Dan definitely hurt him more.

My God. How about Bisping's chin? Yeah, incredible. And what Dan said after the fight, I wish they judged fights on how the other guy looks after the fight. That's hilarious. Because he didn't have a scratch on him. Bisping should go down as the top three middleweights of all time just based off doing this with one fucking eye.

He has one eye, man. What he's doing is insane. Yeah, he's got oil in his right eye, right, to keep his retina in place. He's a maniac, man. He's one of the best of all time to me. Retinas are scary shit, man. Scary shit. Scary shit when that stuff starts going to you. I'm just saying, if you look at what Whitaker has done to become champion, it's

a little more impressive to me. Well, it's a little more impressive because he beat Yoel Romero. And he beat Yoel Romero in a fucking tough fight, and he beat him after Yoel Romero hyperextended his leg and blew his knee out in the first round. And before that, he starched Jacare. Starched. Starched him. Starched him. Easily.

So it's like, you know, he's walked through the fire. The same thing with Francis Gannot. You know, like, you gotta walk through that fire, man, to me, to get there. I agree. So, but that's not the world we live in. Yeah, but you gotta make the Bisping fight. If I was the UFC, I would have made that fight. GSB says he wants to come back and fight Bisping.

Bisping says, I want to get that big payday. Me too. I go, let's make this fight. Me too. I'm with you. I'm with you. I make the fight too. I make the fight too.

And what's interesting is you have the smaller guy being the champ right now. And for Kelvin, he doesn't match up great with anyone freaking six through one but he does match up great with the champ so you gotta decide what you want to do with him because Kelvin can be world champion at 70 not at 85 unless he fights hold on hold on you don't think that Kelvin could beat GSP just he's not fighting 85 okay but he's the champ it doesn't matter GSP though is he can beat Matt Hughes we should have that conversation, because GSP's going to fight at... But wait a minute.

It's not happening. No, but GSP is the 185-pound champ. He's never going to fight there. Kelvin is competing at 185. But that's what it is. What do you got here? What is the order? Oh, the order?

Just the order. Where's Kelvin? He's down at number nine. I think he should be a little higher. He just knocked out the former champ, Michael Bisping, who's number two. That doesn't make any sense. I don't care if Bisping was coming off

of a tough fight with GSP. It definitely probably hampered his performance. He should be at seven. There's no way Kelvin should be at nine and Bisping is at two. That doesn't make any sense. Maybe they didn't update it. Hold up, but you're saying Kelvin should be at two? That's crazy. No, no, no. That's not what I'm saying. No, what I'm saying is

there's no way that Bisping should be two if Kelvin just knocked him out. And Kelvin's nine. That doesn't make sense. What's the point of having a ranking? Kelvin shouldn't be nine, but he should as fuck shouldn't be two. He should be past Bisping. Ooh, that's tough. What about the body of work?

No, he just knocked him out. It doesn't matter. The ranking is where are you at right now. If a guy beats you in a basketball tournament, right, doesn't he move forward? Correct. A guy beats you in a basketball tournament, doesn't he move forward? A guy beats you in a wrestling tournament, doesn't he move forward? Yeah, we don't look at someone's past and say, this is who you are forever. We look at your present performance. The last performance that Michael Bisping had was against Kelvin Gaslam.

Kelvin beat him in a decisive, very clear, and dominating way. He moves ahead. Was that the best Bisping, though? It doesn't matter. Oh, you don't care about any of that was that he's ranked higher he's ranked higher we all we can go on is the contest itself the contest itself was very obviously won by kelvin in a spectacular way but bang he drops that right jab in that straight left hand nasty amazing performance amazing performance he's ahead of Bisping. Fact. Okay. Anybody who says differently. That's fine. That's fine.

You're fucking crazy. You can put him ahead of Bisping. However, you can't put him at No. 2 middleweight in the world. No, I wouldn't. Because I think Weidman's in the mix. Yoel Romero's in the mix. Weidman beat him. Yes.

Jock Ray's a bad matchup. Luke Rockhold is a monster of that division. Luke Rockhold would... If I had to put money on somebody, Luke Rockhold's going to be the champion of that division. He could be. Well, he could be. Or David Branch almost took him out. Remember that?

David Branch hurt him. Almost took out who? Luke Rockhold. Oh, come on. He had him hurt. You don't think he had him hurt? Not that bad. I think he had him hurt.

I think he had him hurt, but Rockhold showed what a fucking animal he is and came through it. But what happens if someone like Yoel Romero catches him like that? What happens if someone Yoel Romero catches him like that? What happens if someone like Robert Whitaker catches him like that? My thing is, Rockhold is a beast, but

anything can happen in that division when these guys are that good. Even David Branch, who's a very good fighter and hadn't lost in like five years? World Series again, though. Yeah, again, but gave until he got tired, gave rockhold a very tough experience he came at him yes he came at him it wasn't like rockhold remember though

remember rockhold had a long ass layoff he's doing the modeling thing he did he wanted this sort of matchup he wanted this sort of money and then that long ass layoff then you fight this what the middleweight champion light heavyweight champion for the world the World Series. It's his biggest fight of all time. He brings it towards Rockhold. Rockhold weathered the storm and then just took over. Weathered the storm, took his back and smashed him. Smashed him. Smashed him.

Henzo Gracie blackmailed him. My point is that absolutely. He broke him. He did. He definitely did. He broke him. He wore him down, too. He was exhausted by the time.

That's basically after how long off? 14 months off? Mm-hmm. Which, you know. No, he's one of the most underrated guys, especially at getting you down and holding you down. Look what he did to Lyoto Machida. Look what he did to Weidman. Look what he did to David Branch. Those guys are all

very good at the ground, and he smashes them. And you go back to Strikeforce days, his Jock Ray fights, Tim Kennedy, you know, he's fought the best of the best, man. He's definitely been a savage his entire career, but you still have to realize Bisping did knock him out. And you know what, man? You're in a division where you're talking about a ton of psychos.

You've got Robert Whitaker, Yoel Romero, Chris Weidman. You've got GSP if he decides to stay in the division. But you don't think he will. Never. Okay, he's a champ. Whitaker's the champ. You've got these killers, and then Luke Rockhold might be the best out of all of them. Yes.

But he might not be. We really don't know. I mean, I'm excited about that. I'm excited about them. I'm excited about, you look at him on paper, you go, yeah, Rockhold might be the best of the bunch. But goddammit, it's hard to root against Whitaker. It's hard to bet against that guy. Yeah, I'm done betting against Whitaker.

Especially after he stuffed all the fucking takedowns from Yolo Romero with one knee. I'm on that Whitaker train just like I'm on the Darren Till train. Yeah. 85, 70, and 55 in the UFC is so goddamn good right now. So competitive. It's the best it's ever been. Light heavyweight, the worst it's ever been. Heavyweight, land of the dinosaurs.

But 55, 70, 85. Pull up that Emil Meek, Kamaru Usman fight. We should find out if that fight's actually been canceled. It hasn't been canceled. He's trying to get his visa. Yeah, he hasn't got it yet. Fucking Donald Trump. Let him in.

I know, man. Let the guy do his thing. Jesus Christ, he's a Viking. I'm a Meek fan. He's your people. I'm a Meek fan. Yeah, I'm a Meek fan, too. Dude, at 70.

Good luck at 70. Yeah. Good luck at 70. That's what we're just saying. Kamaru Usman is fucking terrifying, and no one's even talking about him because there's so many killers in that. Here we go. Emil Meek explains status of 219 fight with Kamaru Usman, visa issues.

So he's just hoping. He's hoping they could sort it out. That must be tough going through training camp. Either a 10-day thing or it takes six months or anything in between. That's all the OC office just told me to have patience. The question's not about if I'm going to get it or not. It's just when I get it and if I can get it in time. I hope it can, you know.

That's, I mean, it feels like the UFC should have some fucking power. That's what I'm saying. Can we make some calls? Make some calls. Take somebody else to dinner. Get my boy Meek into the goddamn States. Unrelated, but also news. What is this?

We have tried to get this. Shane Carwin retired. Oh, Wow. It seems like there are no interesting fights and I'm not getting younger. Let me explain. Let me just lay my gloves down right here on... Oh, he did it on Reddit. Wow. An hour ago. Wait, why is he done, though?

Thank you to each and every one of you. It's odd to be healthy and unable to compete yet able to compete when so unhealthy. I guess we end... I don't know what that means. I think he made a mistake there. yet able to compete when so unhealthy. I guess we end... I don't know what that means. I think he made a mistake there. With never...

Oh, I guess we end with never knowing what could have been. Somber would be the best way to describe the emotion. Thank you all for the love, the insults, and the great times.

I will sink back into the mode of being a Redditor and my quest to become a mod here I'm sort of making a little joke there I am also on the hunt for a large fedora I'm like an eight and a half and hats my ass Shane seriously thank you off in the bottom my heart for being amazing for being amazing and for making this sport amazing I thought he was retired and then I thought he was retired.

And then I thought he was coming back out to try and fight. Did Bellator just tell him no or something? No, I thought he was in that, right? Yeah, he just put his name in the hat. He just called out Mitrione. He literally, like, two days ago, he just said he wanted to fight as an alternate. Well, here's what's weird. It says it's odd to be healthy and unable to compete, yet able to compete when so unhealthy.

I mean, it's odd that he's healthy now and he can't get a fight. Did they, that means the commissioner, maybe someone told him he can't fight or maybe Bellator was like, no, we're good, son. Well, I wouldn't never say he couldn't fight in terms of like the punishment he's taken. I mean, it was like the Junior Dos Santos fight was tough to watch. That was a tough one. That was a tough one to watch. He's had some tough fights, but I mean, a lot of guys have.

If you're going to let O'Brien fight, how could you not let Shane Carwin fight unless it's like the spinal surgery stuff? Yeah, I'm not sure what's going on there, but also he could fight in Ryzen. I would imagine that they would take him, but you know that they had an issue with him where he was getting divorced and he had some personal issues, apparently they were saying, and he had to pull out of their tournament. Remember? Yeah.

He had that fight come up with that giant. And they were very upset. They were very upset at him. Oh, that he backed out? Yeah. And they said some things about him not having warrior spirit or some crazy shit like that. For sure, relax, Ryzen shit happens. Yeah.

I mean, not only that, you don't only have so many fucking heavyweights. Yeah, you're also Ryzen, so let's relax and have Shane Car carwin back though have shane carwin over there and let him go crazy wild west take that golden snitch yeah just full-on mexican yeah let's see what happens let the party roll mix it up especially i mean shane's in his 40s right how old is, I mean, Shane's in his 40s, right? How old is Shane? Hell yeah, he's in his 40s. Yeah. Let it roll. Let it roll. Rising's the spot. I mean, look, we should have a steroid league.

We should have a league where some people are not. Daniel Cormier faces Volkan Ozdemir at UFC 220 in Boston. Ooh. Six minutes ago. Ooh. Wow. Breaking news, folks. Breaking news. Ozdemir's scary, but there's a guy who's got the quickest rise to the top ever.

This is my face for that fight. You don't care? I care. I'm lukewarm on it. With Ozdemir? I love DC. I love DC. I love DC, and I wish he was a bigger star, and he should be a bigger star.

But he's going to be phenomenal as a commentator, and I think he flies through Ozemir. Do you really? Yes, easily. I think Ozemir's dangerous for anybody, man. Anybody. Good luck dealing with DC when he gets you in that clinch. It's true. It's true.

DC's a monster. DC's the best light heavyweight of all time, not named Jon Jones. Whoa. Strong words. Who's better? Nobody. He was the heavyweight champion. Especially after he rumbled twice.

He rumbled twice, beat Gustafson. He was the heavyweight champion. One of the Strikeforce Grand Prix. Think about the people in that Grand Prix. Yeah. Remember we did to Josh Barnett? Oh, yeah. Josh Barnett had a broken hand, but.

Threw him up in the air. Remember we did to poor Dan Henderson? How? By the way, DC, how dare you treat our legend like that? How dare you take an old weather Dan Henderson, spike him on his head, you son of a bitch? I mean, he ragdolled him. I love DC, man. I like that fight for DC.

I'm an Ozdemir fan. I think it would be hilarious if he was champ because he has 700 Twitter followers. But I think that DC is going to mop the floor with him. Interesting. Unless it's a bar in Florida, then it's a different story. I'm just interested in seeing what happens if he gets hit. Because Ozdemir is very fast and hits very hard and has a shocking reaction. Dude, DC's been hit hard.

Oh, for sure. Rumble rocked him. Rumble rocked him. Rocked him. Rocked him. He hit him with that overhand right in the first fight and head kicked him in the second fight. Yeah, remember?

He sat him down. DC popped up. Yeah. No,dc's a monster no doubt i'm just interested because i think ozdemir really does have special power you you you see him hit people you're like jesus and according to everybody that watched him and rumble train like he was the guy that trained with rumble all the time he's one of the few guys that want to spar with what they say And what'd they say about it? Said they went to war. Really? Yeah. I would watch that. I would watch that. I would watch that. Dude, how about this?

They said that's one of the reasons why Oztemir's so good. Because of rumble? Oztemir was like trained with rumble. He was like, everybody's scared of rumble. I would not be scared of rumble. How did they not just knock each other out every day? I think they're smart. They hit each other just hard enough to let each other know they're hitting each other.

And look, you want a valuable sparring partner. Don't break your toys. Yeah. Look, it's benefiting the both of them, here's one for you how about rumble once come back at heavyweight rumble steep a for the curveball here's the thing you can't really do that because he just fought as a light heavyweight and then quit and said i don't want to do this anymore and he comes back and fights at a heavyweight? Yeah, he's back, bro. He said he doesn't like fighting. He says he doesn't like getting hit.

He doesn't like wrestling sweaty men. That's a bit of an issue. What do you say? I don't like fighting. But I'm back. I mean, what happened was like- That retirement life ain't fun, is it? It's not.

It's boring, right? It depends who you are. Mine's great. And he knows he could be champion, too. Like, he really does have championship skills. You know what I mean? He's got- Now he does, for sure.

He unquestionably has enough power to knock out any human being on the planet. If DC and Jon Jones are out, yeah, he's the guy. If DC got hit with that uppercut that Glover got hit with, he goes night-night, too. So would Jon Jones. But those guys are too smart for that. Right. They don't fight that style. Well, they didn't...

Yeah. Glover was too easy to hit for him. But I think he realizes that anybody in the world, I mean, he literally, he might as well have a 100% chance to beat anybody in the world. At heavyweight, though? No, no, no. Not a 100% chance to beat anybody in the world. But I'm saying he might have like a 60% chance.

Like in any fight with anybody, he could connect with a bomb and put your fucking lights out. He's that powerful. So that alone in his head means like if he fought john jones 60 percent of the time he might be able to catch john jones it might be yeah if he caught john jones or anybody he hits so fucking hard but he definitely froze up against dc and the second fight he did not look like a guy who was there to do or die did he hit that pad that they keep jacking off to did he hit the pad i would like to see that i'd like he hit that pad that they keep jacking off to? Did he hit the pad? I would like to see that. I'd like to see that.

You think he hits harder than Ngannou? Ngannou's a lot bigger than him, man. Yeah, but Anthony Johnson, I feel a lot more, he's more explosive. Especially when you put Anthony Johnson on that healthy diet, and he's the 240 Anthony Johnson. Yeah. He's going to hit like a Mack truck. Very interesting to see him in heavyweight.

Dude, Francis Rumble Johnson. Black on black power. Kaepernick could show up for that bitch. It would be ridiculous. Rumble's got to have a fight in heavyweight. A fight. Let's just toss him. Oh, my God.

He's ready to go. No, no, no, no, no. No, you get him that Russian dude that likes to choke people. Who lets people in mouth and he chokes them out. He's a light heavyweight. No, he's a heavyweight. He's a heavyweight. I'm right.

I'm right. Yeah, you beat Brown. Yeah, yeah. Give him that guy. Give him that poor soul. The Russian has no idea I fight black men and just fucking get starged. Yeah, that would be interesting. That's an interesting fight.

My God. Let's see what happens. Fuck that dude, that guy. I want to see what happens. Give him that guy. Give him that guy. interesting as an interesting fight let's see what happens i want to see what happens give him that guy give him somebody who's you know can we get to encourage his mount so he can get a joke the guy's gonna come after him the guy's gonna come after him alexi olin yes powerful alexi yeah deep in his 40s same hairline as as Brian Callen. Dude, 52 and 11.

He's been through the fucking works. The ringer. You think he gives a fuck about how hard Rumble hits? No, he'll take that fight. You know, like a dick fight. All day, a two-day notice. The boa constrictor. Fucking right, the boa.

Yeah, that would be a fun fight. He might be my favorite heavyweight. For heavyweight, man, who the fuck knows? What if he gets Rumble down? What if he gets rumbled down? What if he gets rumbled down? We see him in side mount working on a rear naked choke from the side. Yeah, Rumble's in trouble, that motherfucker. Oh, he gets a hold of your neck?

Rumble's in trouble if you get mount on him, man. That guy's a monster. He's a monster from the bottom, isn't he? I'm sure. He choked that dude out from his back. Yeah, it's great. Mounted. He gave it to him.

Crazy. Crazy. Yeah, he's a squeezer gave it to him. Crazy. Crazy. Yeah, he's a squeezer. There's certain dudes that just can squeeze your neck in a way. Yeah, Rumble in the first round might be the most dangerous man in the world. Yeah. I wonder maybe, look, I mean, I don't know how much weight he was cutting to make 205, but if he's really walking around at 230, 235, and that doesn't have to cut anything,

he might be better at heavyweight. That's what I'm saying. Let's get him on that punch meter what you got francis just give him a good fight a verdum frumbo verdum dude verdum verdum would kill your dreams man verdum's a motherfucker verdum's a motherfucker he is he can strike best on the world on the ground he's huge yeah you don't give a fuck about the going snitch because he's never been caught doesn't take He is, man. He can strike. Best on the world on the ground. He's huge. Yeah. You don't give a fuck about the girl in Snitch because he's never been caught. Doesn't take anything.

Yeah. You get some issues, Verdun comes hunting for you. And that jiu-jitsu's just on another planet. Dude, how about when, what fight was that that backed out? Oh, the Black Beast. Remember, he was supposed to fight Derek Lewis. Yeah, Derek Lewis. Huge Derek Lewis fan. We're talking about Derek Lewis' social media.

He's there the best. Might be the best. His fucking Instagram page is hilarious. He's hilarious. Hilarious. Shout out to Derek Lewis. Shout out to the Black Beast. He puts up some hilarious shit on Instagram. I want him to fight soon. But remember Derek Lewis was supposed to fight

Verdum in the hours before the fight. That guy can't do it. So they just filled in random homeboy. Yeah. And he was just happy to be there. Walt Harris. Yeah, Walt Harris. Just had no business in there. And fucking Verdun went, what?

He kicked him. Yeah. Just fucking. It's a beautiful transition when he took his back and then took the arm off the back. It was like he was teaching his students in Venice about the arm. I show you how. It was fucking easy. I show you how.

It was so easy for him. There's a payday. Then fights that rush and goes five rounds. That's why he won't be ready to fight Stipe in Boston. I wonder if he would. He might be okay. Five rounds? I don't know.

January? Tabora caught him a few times, but it never got rocked. Tabora was outclassed. He's just not at that level yet. He never got hurt. No. got rocked. Toboro's outclassed.

Yeah. He's just not at that level yet. He never got hurt. No. And, you know, Verdum won if he didn't get injured. Boston is January. Who knows? Talk to him in a couple weeks.

How you feeling, bro? Especially for a title shot. Yeah. How you feeling, bro? Verdum's probably down. Who knows? Hey, you want to fight Stipe for the title or you won't wait for this monster Francis that we're not sure about. Yeah, it all depends on how much damage he took in that fight.

He did get leg kicked a few times. You know Verdun's down, though, man. Yeah, you know he is. But did he get hurt? Like, is there anything fucked up in his wrist? Is his elbow okay? You know, little shit that happens in a fight that nobody even knows about. The training camps.

Yeah. And during a fight as well, right? So what else is going on this weekend? There's those fights. There's Holloway-Edgar, which is very interesting. There's Gagey versus Eddie Alvarez. That's the one that I'm most excited to see. Cejudo-Pettis.

Cejudo-Pettis. That's the one I wanted to talk about. That's another one. And Paul Felder and Charles Oliveira for the FS1 prelims. That's another very interesting one. Because Oliveira just the FS1 prelims. That's another very interesting one. Because Oliveira just got done. He was fighting at 45, two-drain at 45, and just choked out Will Brooks. Remember that?

Yes. Will Brooks having a tough time in the UFC now. Tough time in the UFC. I thought he was going to do really well, too, with his fighting style. Nick Lentz caught him. Nick Lentz caught him in a guillotine. He's had a tough go over in the UFC. Yeah.

Look, man, this is the highest level of the game, for sure. It's weird, because Brooks is having a tough time in the UFC, and a lot of UFC guys are having a tough time in the UFC. Yeah. Look, man, this is the highest level of the game for sure. It's weird because Brooks is having a tough time in the UFC and a lot of UFC guys are having a tough time in Bellator. Different divisions. I think 70 is probably the strongest over there in Bellator. 70 right now, especially with Rory McDonald there, I think is as strong as it gets. I think you've got Douglas Lima. You've got Rory McDonald.

You've got Lorenz Larkin. You've got Michael Venom Page. You've got Paul Daly, who just knocked like Lorenz Larkin, you got Michael Venom Page, you got Paul Daly who just knocked out Lorenz Larkin. You got a gang of fucking assassins. Paul's the most limited because of his ground game. Yes. You know, when a guy like Rory gets you down, like he showed how to beat Paul, you know, that's just, but if you stand with Paul, he's got a chance.

It's a bad idea. He's got a chance against anybody in the world. You know they're doing Daly versus Michael Venn and Page. They hate each other. They hate each other. They are going to do that? Yeah. That's a great fight.

That's a crazy fight. Great fight. And you know Roy McDonald wants to be an alternate in the heavyweight tournament. Yeah. He's out of his fucking mind. It's crazy. Think about him versus, you know, fucking Mitrione or something like that. He's out of his fucking mind.

Yeah, those guys are huge. They're huge. He's more technical but at a certain point it doesn't matter how much does he weigh Roy's maybe 190

95 maybe if he eats a lot of fucking Krispy Kreme yeah yeah it's just a bad idea yeah you don't want Roy's so gangster

yeah he is but there's some gorillas in that division well think if they let Shane in think about Shane versus Chael Sonnen who's gonna sanction

that fight yeah well he's fighting Ramp, he's fighting Rampage. He's fighting Rampage. That seems kind of crazy, too. Does it? That makes more sense to me. At least Rampage has fought at light heavyweight, and Chael's just similar. That's true, but, you know, I don't know. I don't know why they made Matt

and Roy on the same, the first round. I would have put them on opposite sides of the round, because we've seen that in UFC. I'd put them on opposite sides. Well, I think they seen that in UFC. I would have put them on opposite sides. Well, I think they wanted that fight to happen. They wanted that rematch to happen. You know, and I think Mitrione, right? Like, if I was in the Fedor camp,

who's Fedor fighting first? Frank Mir. That's a dangerous fight. Hell yeah, it's a dangerous fight. Dangerous fight, son. That's a dangerous fight. Then you got King Mo, Ryan Bader. Especially under non-snitch-like testing.

Well, that whole tournament. Yeah, it's non-snitch-like. Oh, hold up, son. Well, okay, so you got Quinton, Rampage Jackson, Chael Sonnen. That's at the forum. So that's the California Commission. They're strict as fuck. But the Mohegan Sun Arena,

Mitrione Roy Nelson, suspect. And then Allstate Arena. What city is that in? Where's Allstate? But if I was Fedor, I'd only want to do it in the middle of the Indian Reservation. Yeah, we're doing it.

I want to be as far from the outskirts as possible. Yeah, we fight an inclusive casino. Yeah, we're going to move the from the outskirts no possible. We fight an inclusive casino. We're gonna move the virtual center yeah, but uh but a Juiced up Frank versus juiced up fatal. That's a dream match. Where's that all-state arena, Chicago, Chicago They got a good athletic Commission might be fucked They got to get those doctors that they brought in for that Icarus movie out of all out of all the goddamn fights how does

Mitrio and Roy the two guys who've never tested hot end up in Mohegan Sun maybe because they knew they didn't have to worry about them testing yeah I know but you put Fedor and Frank in Mohegan but they don't want them to be able to go fucking hardcore alright then you don't wanna have fun that's fine alright Scott do your thing man

do your thing Scott you know I love you. Do your thing, man. I would have had that inclusive casino. Juice to the gills. Old day. Pride days. Old days. And how's Bobby Lashley on that tournament?

That's a good point. I get why Chet Kong is on it. A little boring. Bobby Lashley is the one that goes, yeah, it's just. We just can't. Bobby, come on. Bobby, just come on. Nobody thinks you're clean.

Nobody. Dude, he's never failed a test. Nobody thinks you're clean. Nobody. Dude, he's never failed a test. Your own mom would be mama. Dude, what do you think? Am I clean? Boy, you know you ain't clean. Dude, I would watch Bobby Fador. Bobby Roy Nelson would be sick.

Look at the size of that dude. I know. I know he's got great genetics. I know he works hard. He's skilled as a motherfucker too. He's skilled as a's skilled as a motherfucker Bobby Lashley is a grappling beast One of the best wrestlers I've ever seen But That is the body of a man

Who's been to the Mexican pharmacy How dare you Or had someone go for him Or bought it from a dude who went He got it at the gym That's just steroids But he's never failed? Oh, my God.

He's jacked, Siddy. Just get the fuck out of here, man. That's not even, that looks like those guys from Prometheus. Those dudes from Prometheus that have those ridiculous bodies that brought the DNA to Earth to make new people. Those giant dudes. Pull up one of those dudes from Prometheus and put it right beside him. I love that movie, by the way.

I love that movie. Put him right beside him, the Prometheus jacked dude. Or he looks like the new Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. They're jacked, bro. In that image, he literally had the body of one of those Prometheus guys. Like right there with the shirt off by the ocean. Bang. Make that larger.

Oh, yeah. Look at him. He does. He looks identical. He looks bigger. He's bigger than that guy. He's thicker, for sure. He's more jacked.

Let's go. Come on, son. Oh, my God. Jesus Christ. Look at the size of him. Come on. He's bigger. He's bigger.

I would say Bobby Lashley steamrolls that dude from Pro Meets Pro. Those guys are huge, though, bro. Steamrolls him. Like nine feet tall. But look at the difference. If he's the same size as that guy, go one more Bobby Lashley. Fucked. You're fucked.

But that's a real human. But can you bring more Bobby Lashley. Fucked. You're fucked. But that's a real human. But can you bring up Bobby Lashley college pick? He's always been jacked. Oh, I believe it. I mean, he's definitely got phenomenal genetics. But the idea that there ain't nothing going on but the rent. You're out of your fucking mind. You're out of your fucking mind.

You're out of your fucking mind. Yeah, I don't know, man. Talk to Jimmy Smith about where they have him fight yeah no I know where they have him fight I just give the guy a break I'm giving the guy a break I think he's awesome but I think there's a reality to pride that made it exciting and made it

fun correct you know and we're I would like to see one of those things today whether it's Ryzen or I mean again phenomenal genetics maybe he really is taking Gamma Labs. Gamma Labs. But part of me, I want to go back to the old Arsenio Hall days. Things that make you go, hmm.

Well, I mean... Look at the size of him up there. Oh, my God. With the elbow straps above that. That's the WWE's elbow. The left. I don't care. Go large on that picture. Who's more jacked, him or Bob Sapp?

Oh, my God. Bob Sapp in his prime. Bob Sapp in his prime was not even a human being. He was a science project, a full-on science project. He was Bane. Bob Sapp versus Noguera. Look at the size of him. Go to Bob Sapp versus Noguera. Look at the size of Bobby Lashley.

Go to Bob Sapp versus Noguera. There's a time where the beginning of the fight, Noguera is standing there ready to fight, and Bob Sapp is standing there, and Bob Sapp's gloves look like miniature gloves because his body is this wide. Cartoon. Moving towards him. My only thing with Bobby Lashley is I've seen guys in the NFL who aren't hot that look like him. Oh, yeah, it's possible. It's totally possible. Bobby Lashley is I've seen guys in the NFL who aren't hot that look like him. Oh, yeah, it's possible. It's totally possible.

Bobby Lashley's also 40. Right? Isn't he? Yeah, oh, yeah. Wrestled in the middle. Oh, my God. Just let it happen for the first round. Watch what comes out.

Look at the fucking size of him. The spike when he spiked. And broke his neck. Yeah. He was so big. He was at one point in time, I think he was 300 plus pounds. I thought he was 400. Oh, I don't know about that, was he?

He was 300 plus pounds with abs. Like 350 or 375 with abs. Oh my god. They don't teach that at any gym in the world. Goosh! That's so bad for your neck. Oh, dude, that Nogueira almost had to retire because of that. Really? Yeah. It was the worst injury he's ever sustained.

So what happened to his neck? Bulging disc. He had to have surgery. Like, that's one of the things that really fucked Noguera up. It's amazing that he still fought and won. And won. Amazing. God, Noguera, man, one of the fucking greats.

Savage. One of the greats, man. He almost got taken out because of a fucking head spike. You know, Fedor was not willing to fight him. Fedor was like, no thanks. Like, you were allowed to throw those crazy kicks from when you were on your back then. You could kick to the face. I forgot he got reversed.

Remember that? Think of that monster on top of you. Jesus Christ. Think how much of a badass Noguera's goes, you know what? I'll fight freaking Bob Sapp, even though he's juiced to the gills. Look at this. Bob Sapp's on top of him. He Bob Sapp, even though he's juiced to the gills. Look at this. Bob Sapp's on top of him.

He has his back. And he's rocking him. Smashing him. Smash City. Yeah, crazy. Struggle City for a big knock right there. Oh, my God. You forget about this fight.

You forget how big of a... Oh, my God. Look at that. That's a grizzly bear. Dude! Jesus Christ. But if you hit him, when you hit the bully in the face, they go away. Look at that. That's a grizzly bear. Oof! Jesus Christ. But if you hit them, when you hit the bully in the face, they go away. Look at this. Remember, he almost had him in a triangle and he got slammed.

Yeah, it's a bad idea to do that. Yeah, the triangle slam. The Ricardo Arona Rampage Jackson triangle slam should be shown to every kid who wants to hold on to a triangle. Ever. You need to watch this because this is real. Dude, Bob Sapp beat some of the best ever, bro. He went to leg locks and everything.

Look at this. I forgot he went to leg locks. They fought some of the best ever not beat. This was a nutty fight. And again, this was a fight that Fedor wouldn't take. Fedor was like, no, no, no.

I'm from Russia. I understand what he's thinking. Yeah. Even when they wanted Noguera to do the rematch, he's like, dude, with spiking my neck, man, it's too much. It was the end of my life, my career. Look at him. Yeah.

He was battered. Dude, but how entertaining is this? Amazing. Well, it's amazing. But now knowing, I love this, when he hit him with the Gramby roll, whoop, whoop, whoop, on your back, son. And when. On your back, son.

Get your big ass down. When he won, when he won, I remember watching it. We were going crazy. Look at this armbar. Me and Eddie were fucking screaming. Look at this fucking armbar. Beautiful. God.

Let me see. And then when he straightens it out and Bob taps, it's like, no fucking way. But this is not just jujitsu. Look at that. Tap, tap, tap, tap, tap. It's not just jujitsu. With Noguera, it's just toughness and just animal spirit. One of the toughest to ever do it.

His warrior heart that allowed him to get through getting spiked on his head like that and battered and nuts. This 350-pound juggernaut on top of you, dropping bombs on you. Legend, man. Mount Rushmore. Mount Rushmore. No gear, Mount Rushmore. Fuck, man.

What a crazy time those Pride days were. You're fucking hit. What a great... What the fuck? Is that Aki Bono? Yeah. Do you know Hoist? Hoist beat Aki Bono with an armbar.

How badass is Hoist fucking Gracie? Oh, my God. Look at this dude. Hoist Gracie fought Aki Bono with an armbar. How badass is Hoist fucking Gracie? Oh, my God. Hoist Gracie fought Aki Bono with pants on. He fought, like, with gi pants on. You're fucking right he did. He got Aki Bono in a fucking armbar. Look at this. The size of Aki Bono.

Jesus Christ. Aki Bono said, fuck your keto. That dude is thick. This is a Bob Sapp, though, that has started to lose his physique. Like, this is into his career where he had been fighting. You know, like, you'd only, like, the levels of juice that he was on during those days of glory, like when he fought Noguera, those are just not sustainable. No. He also hated fighting.

I have a friend that actually has an ultimate fighter with him, and he used to train with Bob and said towards the end of his career, he wouldn't barely train at all. He'd just do it for the payday. He'd just walk in there. Yeah, and he would tap whenever he got hurt. And he was smart about it. He knew he could make money. He would go places. They'd want to see people beat Bob Sapp, and so he would go, and he would not take much of a beating.

Dude, in Tokyo, he was on the fucking Wheaties box and stuff. He used to sell all sorts of merchandise. Look at this. He'd buy his used shit-stained undies and stuff. He used to sell like all sorts of merchandise. Look at this. You'd buy his used shit stain undies and stuff. But do you know what happened? Do you know the whole story? No. Something happened with K-1 where he had a contract that he was supposed to go out and fight, but they hadn't given him the contract yet.

He's like, I'm not signing. I mean, I'm not fighting without a fucking contract. I need my money. Legit point. And wound up leaving. There was some sort of a contract dispute and wound up leaving there was some sort of a contract dispute and wound up leaving before the main event just dipped out just dipped out said fuck this i'm out i'm not fighting and you know they're like oh what that's the yakuza they're like you're done

you're done damn i didn't know that yeah yeah and um i guess you know whether or not i don't know whose story is correct. And all I know is a story that I've read. And the story that I'd read was that, you know, he was upset. They hadn't given him the contract yet and they wanted him to just fight and deal with it later. Yeah. Come on, bro. Listen, if they can get you to do something, it's.

Especially right before. God damn it. All right. Boom. Yeah. Well, when I talk to people that are Japanese about the way they would do business over there, he says it's really interesting. He's like, one of the things that when the UFC was talking to Pride, it was really interesting because they would have these meetings and they would talk about selling it. But they really didn't want to sell it.

They just wanted you to say that you wanted to buy it. They're like, okay, good. See you later. And then they stopped. But then it also pumped up Pride. Everybody in the UFC started talking about Vandele was going to fight Chuck and they were bringing them together. But these Japanese businessmen, they were playing like super high level, sophisticated three dimensional chess.

Very tight move. And then, here's the tightest of tight move. I'm not happy that they did this, but they essentially sold the UFC $60 million worth of nothing. They got a fucking video library of fights and they got pride to be out of business. That's what they got for $60-whatever million they paid

because a lot of the contracts were no good. That's why Fedor was never in the UFC. I mean, and the Mark Hunt thing, they were willing to pay Mark Hunt out. They were like, we're willing to give you your money. He said, no, fuck that. I want to fight. Yeah, UFC didn't want Mark to fight.

Yeah, yeah. I remember when Mark first got to UFC, it wasn't pretty days. No. He almost got submitted by Chris Tushisher. Yep. He had some rough days. He had some rough days. Yeah.

The horrible fight. He got submitted by somebody. Like in his first, Sean. Oh, Corkle? Yes. Sean McCorkle. That's right. Sean McCorkle.

Caught him with a Kimura from his back. His first fight in the UFC. His first fight in the UFC. His first fight in the UFC. Back. Submitted him. Yes, submitted him. Huge upset. And then he had the-

Sean McCorkle's a funny fucking guy. He says some ridiculous shit online. I don't know why. Is he still alive? I don't know. I haven't heard from him in forever. He was a funny guy. He was a funny guy at the time.

Him and Matt used to train together. I think they had a show. But yeah, Mark struggled for a little bit there. And then he had the walk-off home run knockout ofris dushashir yeah that horrible fight in denver oh yeah ben rothwell because they both got so tired because the altitude yeah yeah and then i was asking joseph dude let me fight my hometown he's like we will never do heavyweights in denver again because of that meanwhile they have ken fight verdum or they have um mexico city cane fight verdum in Mexico City, which is 2,000 feet higher. Bad idea.

Ridiculous. So what else is going on in this card? Is that it? Should we just wrap this up? I think we've kind of got the card covered. You got police hearing. Yeah, you kind of got it covered. We kind of got the card covered.

Oh, the Paul Felder-Charles Oliveira fight. Felder is a fucking beast, man. You know, Felder's another guy who I'm interested to see. I'm not hating on to see i'm not hating on him i'm not saying they can't do it i'm interested to see you know obviously dc dc's been able to do it um dominic cruz obviously got injured but he was supposed to fight he's out of the fight now but guys who are working as analysts and fighters at a certain level are you going to be able to continue at the highest level and compete he's not doing the analysis enough where

i think it's going to hurt him. And I think, in fact, it's enough so it probably takes his mind off the training a little bit, lets him relax, and lets him analyze fights. I don't think it's that big of a deal. And when he did do the commentary, he was really good at it. That's my thing. He's really good at it. He's really good at it.

So he has a future in it for sure once he decides to retire. Paul could be an amazing commentator. But I still think he's in his prime right now. I think his potential is in commentating. I think he has a higher potential in commentating than he does being the world champion of the UFC. I'm not willing to sign him off yet. Oh, I'm not signing him off. He's a phenomenal fighter.

He's a phenomenal fighter. I don't know if he's world champion, but he's a phenomenal fighter. How crazy would he be versus Gaethje? That's a fun fight. That's a fun fucking fight. He's an animal. Paul Felder versus Gagey would be maybe like a perfect style

matchup. Never mad when Cooper fights. No. I'm excited about this fight because Oliveira is very technical on his feet. Oliveira's that guy though, yeah, he's super technical and he's sneaky on the ground, but he just can't get over that hump. He has so much promise, he just can't get over that hump.

He can't beat the best. Kind of like Eric Silva. Where there's so much promise and we thought there was going to be this and it just can't get over that hump. He had so much promise, he just couldn't get over that hump. He can't beat the best. Kind of like Eric Silva, where there's so much promise, and we thought they were going to be this, and it just hasn't aligned for him. The Cejudo-Pettis fight's a very important fight, too. Very important. When you look at Cejudo, when he came off of that fight with Wilson Hayes, he looked sensational. He looked amazing.

Sensational. But also, what screwed, not screwed him, it was the good experience, but when he fought Demetrius Johnson, he had seven fights, mixed martial arts fights, seven fights. He should not have but when he fought Demetrius Johnson, seven fight mixed martial arts fight, seven fight, he should not have been in there with Demetrius Johnson. He's just not ready. Now we see he's a little more well-rounded. He's a phenomenal power puncher, obviously a ridiculous wrestler. For Pettis, it's a tough one for him to take on here.

Very tough, and he's a young kid. Pettis is only 24, I think. He's very young. He's very young. He's out of his brother's shadow now. For sure he's out of his brother's shadow. Well, with a few wins, his brother's still a former world champion, both in Strikeforce and in the UFC.

His brother just lost again, though. He did lose again. He's lost a bunch. But still, he's fighting at a way higher level. Up until this fight, at least. This fight is like a world-class level. For Pettis, this is like the most difficult fight, I think,

he's ever faced in his career. It's a little too much too soon, I think, for Pettis. And that David Tamer dude, he's fighting against Jakar Close. That fucking, you see Tamer fight?

He was the one who fought Lando Venata. Yes. Woo, he's nasty. He's a monster. He's a fucking savage, savage kickboxer, man.

That's going to be a fun fight. Oh, you're fucking Gokhan's out of the fight. I'm not sure. He got nasty. He's a monster. He's a fucking savage. Savage kickboxer, man. That's going to be a fight. Oh, you're fucking Go-Kon's out of the fight. I'm not sure. You got hurt. That's a bummer. That is a bummer. How about Holly? I'm sure we'll do a podcast about Holly Cyborg.

It's happening. It's interesting. I'll tell you what. Nobody has more composure in their Instagram videos than Holly just the most composure she's like when she says professional cyborgs been saying that I haven't been tested she's a politician but actually I've been tested nine times yeah she's been tested eight times so some of us are out here training and not worrying about who's being tested. It's so like.

Thank you. Thank you. Have a good day. Thank you. I'm ready to head kick a bitch. Head kick! I love Holly. It's like such in direct contrast to her fucking back flips.

She's a politician. Fucking head kicks and shit. She speaks like a politician. Very smart, man. Very smart. She's calm and smooth. And she's like a real all-American girl. Like you look at Holly Holm.

I mean, she got freckles and shit. She's pretty. She looks a real all-American girl. Like you look at Holly Holm, she's got freckles and shit. She's pretty. She looks like an all-American head kicker. And if she beats Cyborg, it's a tough if. It's a tough if. If she beats Cyborg, to me, she's number one of all time. She beat Ronda in her prime. Now she beats Cyborg in her prime.

What are we doing? I know she had those rough losses before. Misha Tate, son. Misha Tate. I know she had those rough losses before. Misha Tate, son. Misha Tate. I know. Listen, Misha Tate strangled her, and she was still punching in the air while she was going unconscious. Yeah.

That's how savage Holly Holm is. I know. And such a great matchup. Misha Tate did get her, and Misha got her in the fifth round of a fight she was losing. Yes. Took her back and put her to sleep. I'm a Misha Tate fan, son. Woo!

Yeah. Fan. But and put her to sleep. I'm a Misha Tate fan. Woo! Yeah. Fan. But she's retired. Yep. She didn't want to do it anymore. And you got Holly Cyborg. Yeah. But is that Holly Cyborg, I wonder what kind of numbers that does.

Because that's your headliner on there right now. Because, you know, Dom Cruise is off. Well, it's going to show you the power of top flight women's MMA fights. And then there's the cyborg aspect. She's like a cultural icon sort of a thing. People tune in to see, oh, that cyborg chick. She's scary. Doesn't lose either.

Scary, but not physically scary. Scary the way she destroys girls. She's violent. Very violent. She's violent. And very technical. Her last fight wasn't that violent, but she wanted to show more for her boxing. Well, she was fighting a crazy, I mean.

You talking about a zombie mom? Yeah, Tanya Avenger. Yeah, zombie mom. She shouldn't give a fuck. She was throwing aim anchors. She's not even a mom. I don't know why I call her that. She's not even a mom.

But she's tough as fuck. Had mom bod and also would not go away like The Walking Dead. That if you were watching like a YouTube or a live, it wouldn't even be on YouTube. They'd pull it from YouTube. Like a live leak outside't even be on YouTube they'd pull it from YouTube like a live leak outside of a bar in Kentucky where some chick

gets up puts her fucking cigarette down and rolls up the sleeves of her flail shirt probably wearing your shirt the very shirt you're wearing and just throws haymakers on some chick

and she's got her by the hair and she's fucking dropping Muay Thai elbows on her but she keeps getting rocked and popping up she'd be like the Kimbo Slice of soccer moms in the backyard brawls. She's a tough, tough woman.

She's tough as nails. She's an animal. I enjoyed that fight because of her. I agree. She made the fight. Yeah, she made the fight. And she fucking had some whistling shots swinging by Cyborg's chin. She didn't land anything.

She was going for it. She took it. She took it. She took it. And she was going for it. Hats off. And took a fight that a lot of people didn't want. No one wants that fight.

Yeah, I mean, look at fucking Jermaine Durandamy. He said, nah. I'm good. You can keep your title. I'm not fighting her. She's done steroids before. Yeah, but she test cleaned out. I don't care.

I'm out. Not recently enough. Nope. No, you got to get her. Test her again in like 10 years. Yeah. Test her every day for 10 years. No, Durandamy said, fuck this. Fuck this. I love that Cyborg fight, though. I do, too. But I wanted to see what numbers it does. test her again in like 10 years yeah test her every day for 10 years then we'll draw me said

fuck this yes i love that cyborg fight though i do too but i wanted to see what numbers it does see jermaine de randome is a very technical striker that's why i thought her versus cyborg would be interesting i mean jermaine jermaine de randome fought a man that's how crazy scary cyborg is jermaine fought a man and KO'd him. There's video of it. You can watch it. She's like, I'll fight a man, but I'm not fighting Cyborg. I'm off the Duranamy train. When you give up the belt and say, nah, fuck it, she's too much.

Well, I'm a fan of her talent. She's a very talented fighter. She should have been champ in the first place, though. I agree. Holly beat her. And I think she should have been champ in the first place, though. I agree. Holly beat her. And I think she should have been penalized for sure for at least one of those after the bell shots. 100%. She landed two after the bell shots. One of them was devastating.

She really rocked Holly. Holly beat her, man. Yeah, I think Holly beat her. I think you've got to take into consideration what scoring system they were using back then. Because I do not think that they were using a new MMA scoring system. It was also New York. And it was early day New York. When I say early day, like six months ago.

I think the refereeing could have been better because I do think she should have been penalized for those shots after the bell. And when Holly head kicked her, that was one of the most significant moments in the fight. The other most significant moment of the fight was when Holly dropped her with a straight left hand. So those were two giant moments in the fight, and they were both on Holly's side. And then there was the two shots after the fight. The other most significant moment of the fight was when Holly dropped her with a straight left hand. So those were two giant moments in the fight and they were both on Holly's side.

And then there was the two shots after the bell which you could conceivably penalize her for at least one. You have to for one. You have to for one. That's why I thought Holly won the fight. Yeah, I would agree with you. I would agree with you because other than that, Holly did the most damage in the fight for sure, but Doreen Durandamy was controlling

the action at the beginning of the fight until Holly landed that question mark kick and fucking clang. The question mark kick is a beautiful kick. It's just a beautiful kick. If you're good at it, if you get that over the top like Rockhold's beautiful at that. He's really good at it. No one does better than Donald

but yeah. Donald kind of I feel like Donald's the one who kind of made that his thing. In the UFC? Yes. Yeah. For head kick KOs? Question mark kicks?

There's been some other ones in the past. I'm trying to remember all of them. Did you see that video? I think Justin Wren posted, but ESPN blasted that the wheel kick that landed knocked that dude out. The heel landed right on the dude's chin. It's so gnarly. Oh, the one where the dude ducks down and throws an up wheel kick? The guy's throwing a head

kick? There's a black guy and a white guy? Yes. And the dude ducks down almost like a cartwheel kick and throws a wheel kick up. And the heel goes... Oh, perfect shot. My God. The way he threw it. Do you know what the video is? It's all going around like a capoeira kick.

Well, it's almost like that, but what it's like is like he just knew where the dude's chin was going to be and ducked himself. So, you know, you bend your body, but it's just very rare

that you see someone land it at that angle. Especially with the heel. Yeah. That must have hurt. Look at this. Boom! Crazy.

It's almost like it's hard to know whether or not that was like perfectly placed or just crazy lucky timing. I think you're right. Watch this. Watch it again. So you see him here. He's going to give it up.

See? But that's not the way he did it. So it's not a normal path. It's really amazing. It's almost like he almost adapted to it and went straight up once he. Yeah. He knew what the dude's head was going to be. I mean, really, you'd have to see him fight more to see how good he is with his kicks,

but that shit is perfect. That shit was... Let's see that one more time. Nasty. One more time, because it's crazy. Look at the title. Amateur MMA fighter starches opponent. See, right here, like a Taekwondo guy would see the shifting of the hips, and then the

shoulder moves toward the left. And know something's up. As soon as you see that, yeah. Like, see that right there? You see that right there? That and then the shoulder moves toward the left. And know something's up. Yeah. See that right there? You see that right there? That is absolutely he's about to spin. See the right leg moves? The right leg slides back. You're showing your cards there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. If Wonderboy is dipping, you don't see it.

Wonderboy's not going to show you that. You're not going to see that. No. He's showing us. He's flashing his aces. Yeah. But he's also doing it in timing with this left high kick, which is so brilliant. So the left kick is coming. He sees the left kick and he's like yeah, check this out, bro I ain't there And then it goes under what I think he did on purpose 100 percent Oh, I mean he either improvised in the moment or he did it exactly like this on purpose, like saw it coming.

But either way, it's just a perfect shot. Dude, to dodge that kick and land this. I mean, that's some skillful shit. Amazing. Ducked a head kick and landed a perfect, like, crazy 90-degree angle. Wheel kick to the mug. Amateur fight. In the UK.

Yeah. That's crazy. It's crazy how he saw the left high kick, too. Bam! Boom. Fucking A. Made ESPN. It's crazy how he saw the left high kick, too. Bam! Boom. Fucking A. Made ESPN. As an amateur fighter in ESPN.

I know, right? Now you got to make up for that. Yeah, you got to carry that. You got to carry that with you. Everybody's looking for the head kick the next one. You can't be ground and pounding somebody. That's your thing now. Yeah.

A dude's getting married to a thing really early on, right? Becomes a real problem. Becomes a real problem. Becomes a real problem. Hell yeah. You're known as like if Gaethje just decides tomorrow to fight like Tyron Woodley and just move around a lot and get the fuck out of Dodge. What the fuck? There's going to be a riot.

What the fuck? People would go so crazy. Like what if Gaethje got a title shot against Tyron Woodley and they both like mirrored each other? They both like. Like what the fuck is going on? Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait mirrored each other. Like, what the fuck is going on? Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Dude. Explode! Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

Explode! Have you seen how hard your boy Colby Covington has been going in the paint on Instagram? Woodley? Oh my god. Have you seen his recent one with the sandals? He did a Black Friday sale of these sandals mocking Woodley. Why? You gotta see it. I don't get how he's mocking Woodley with sandals. You'll see it. They're of these sandals mocking Woodley. Why? You gotta see it.

I don't get how he's mocking Woodley with sandals. You'll see it. Oh, okay. Like, they're not real sandals. He's just like, hey, make sure you get your sandals this Friday. And it's the sandals of Woodley saying one thing why he'll fight Nate Diaz,

but saying another thing why he won't fight Colby. There it is. Look at this. Oh, Ariel, GSP is ducking me. He just wants money fights. Ariel, I'm not ducking Colby or anyone at 170. I want to fight Nate because it's a money fight. That seems like he's saying the same thing.

Yes. Yeah, I get it. I get it. Yeah. He just keeps going at him. He just wants a money fight. I want to fight Nate because it's a money fight. Yeah.

I get it. What do you do with Woodley? Good question. You offer him a big fight. Yeah. I get it. What do you do with Woodley? Good question. You offer him a big fight. You know, that's what he wants. I'm almost positive. Make sure I'm right on this before I get destroyed on the underground. But I think Dan goes, we never offered Woodley the Diaz fight.

Oh, so he's just trying to get it? Pretty sure. Look, the real Diaz fight is the other Diaz. That's the real Diaz fight. Nick? Isn't Nick suspended, though? Let him pay that fucking money back. Get him back.

Tyron Willey responds to claim Nate Diaz fight was never offered. Delusional Dana constantly demotes me as a fighter. Whoa. In regards to what, though, Jamie? Because it's the claim that Nate Diaz fight was never offered to him. Delusional Dana. Yeah, but did Dana say it? Constantly demotes me as a fighter when the job is to promote his fighters, especially champions.

Woodley said, why would I get in camp? Why would Nate give a $15 million purse request if there was no fight? It's obvious they haven't found their blockbuster headliner yet. This was a reality, and they know it. The inability to come to financial terms with Nate killed it. But there's Dana going, one of our attorneys here started playing matchmaker, which is

weird. He has a good rapport with the Diaz brothers and he basically said to Nate, what if you could fight Woodley? Me and Sean Shelby were like, how does he deserve to fight Woodley? There's no effing list of guys that are waiting to fight Tyron Woodley. There is a fuckinging list of guys that are waiting to fight Tyron Woodley. There is a fucking list of guys.

There you go. Okay, so the attorney went out of his way. The attorney fucked up. Who's this attorney? What kind of slapdick attorney tries playing these games? That's what I would do if I was UFC. I'd have a bunch of fake attorney Twitter accounts.

I'm an attorney with UFC and and I'm interested to know. Would you be interested in this fight? Ben Askren, I know you say you're retired, but how retired are you? Get back at me. Dude. I'm getting Askren on the podcast. Fuck yes. Dude.

To me, his career is a sad story. It is. The guy that never was. Yeah. Well, for whatever reason, they couldn't work it out where they could get him in the UFC. Him and Dana. They had their disagreements and also his fighting style. But for him never to compete in the UFC is crazy.

That fighting style is important, man. If you're a fan of fighting, that style is important. Because Ben Askren shuts motherfuckers down. And he shuts good guys like Lima. And Bellator, remember we shut Lima down? Like Korshkov. Shut him the fuck down. Shut him down.

Those are world-class guys. World-class guys. Look what he did to Yoki. Yep. Shut his ass down. It's such a bummer he never got in the UFC. And you know what? I got to be honest.

I think if that same GSP showed up that fought Bisping, shows up to fight Askren, Askren beats him. Whoa. I know. Crazy, right? To me, Askren, it's a sad story. It's a sad, sad story. I agree.

He's my, if I had one wish to get a guy in the UFC that's never been in the UFC, he'd be the guy. Me too. I agree. Fedor, it's like, you were already getting to see him in Bellator. Mitrione just KO'd him. You know, I get it, but not at this stage. At this stage, I would say, without doubt, it was Askren. I would use my golden ticket if I had one with Dana to get askin in. Yeah, I would too

But you know he called Dana like a fat bald steroid monkey and But he's funny but does that mean how many things have has Dana said about guys? No, I know I'm saying like this is style thing to the word that his style is boring I understand that they're in the business of fighting. But, I mean, I kind of am, but I'm kind of not. I'm in the business of, I'm a fan of fighting. And I'm not just a fan of fighting like I like to watch fights. I want to see what the fuck really works the best.

And when a guy can do what Ben Askren's been able to do time and time again in his career to world-class fighters, take them down, smother them, beat the shit out of them. That's entertaining. It's not just entertaining. It's important for the art form. I agree. To adapt to that style, that dynamic style. You've got to know that a guy can do that to a guy like Lima or a guy like Kouros.

Correct. But also, Ben Askren, he speaks well. Yes. He can hype the fight up on social media. He speaks very well. Yes. He's a great forward. He's also an Olympian. Yeah, he's also an Yes. He can hype the fight up on social media. He speaks very well. Yes. He's a great forward. He's also an Olympian.

Yeah, he's also an Olympian. And how about this? Floyd Mayweather does not win fights because he's exciting. No. You want to see him lose. Maybe he was against the Conor fight. You want to see him lose. Yeah, people want to see him lose because he's a good trash talker.

We should start our own promotion. We really should. We should. In a football field. Oh, God damn it. Now, you and Eddie are doing that. I don't do football fields. Freak Party Fighting Productions. In a football field. Oh, God damn it. Now, you and Eddie are doing that. I don't do football fields.

Freak Party Fighting Productions. That crazy Eddie is the matchmaker. Eddie would definitely be the matchmaker, but first you have to listen to a 45-minute seminar on the latest false flags. Come on, man. If we had a sitcom, though, seriously, think about how crazy different we all are. If we had a sitcom where there was all these characters, you would want to have the crazy conspiracy guy. Oh, you got to have that. He's also one of the best jujitsu instructors in the world.

Correct. Which validates him. Validates him. Which is wizard jujitsu guy. Who's all about Operation Mockingbird, paperclip. He's successful. So you got to take what he says pretty serious. But it's also batshit crazy.

Batshit crazy. And tell you, I'm crazy. I know, I'm crazy. So you can't argue him. He'll go, I know, it's crazy. I'm crazy. But all I'm saying is look into it. Then you got Callan.

He's out of his fucking mind. It's a weird group of people. It's the best dynamic, man. Oh, man. We haven't done a fighting opinion in a while. I know. to do a good one on the with our big giant ass screen we did one with the big giant ass screen right just you me and eddie though what um what fights are coming up that we might there's one every weekend that. That's what. Cub Swanson.

Ooh. And Ortega. Brian T.C. City. I'm in town for that. T.C. Ortega. Triangle City. He's a bad motherfucker. I love that guy.

Ortega's my boy. I love his guard, man. He has one of the best guards. That's the one. That's the one. Dos Anjos and Lawler. Oh, boy. December 16thth Motherfucker

I'm in Buffalo Shit Why are you in Vegas I'm not I'm in Vegas I'm out of town too that day We're all out of town But what's up with that

December 9th one? When's that? Saturday, December 9th. I'm working. Damn it. Comedy? Yeah, I'm in like Long Beach or some shit. Long Beach.

Yeah. I'm going to tell you exactly where I'm at. While you're bringing that up. Long Beach. Terrace Theater. Terrace Theater in Long Beach Guess who's gonna be In Boston

At the Wilbur Theater On January 19th The day before UFC 220 I heard it's Brendan Schott That's right, brother I heard it's you in Boston That's right, man

We're gonna be there together Yes I'm excited I'm excited too, man It's gonna be a fun weekend Tickets just went on sale Wilbur Theater's A beautiful place too, man.

I'm so excited, man. You were very funny last night. Thanks, brother. Killing it. Killing it. Thanks, man. Working at it, too. All right, let's wrap this up because I've got to piss.

See you guys. Bye, everybody. See you.