The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #30 with Sean O'Malley & Tim Welch

Episode Date: June 5, 2018

Joe is joined by UFC Bantamweight fighter "Sugar" Sean O'Malley & welterweight fighter & coach Tim Welch.

Sugar. Three, two, one, and we're live. Sugar Sean. And Tim Welch, your friend that you brought with you here today. Friend, teammate, coach, brother. From Montana. Montana people. It's a good place.

Yeah, it is, but for what we do, it's not the best place. Yeah, how much training can you get in Montana? It's not the best spot. Like when I was there two years ago, pheasant hunting with Anthony Bourdain, and that guy is such a maniac. He trains everywhere he goes every day, and he found some club, some local jujitsu club in montana and bozeman he was rolling with people brian deets yeah bozeman's probably one of the better places to train but the one thing good about being from montana is when we're in phoenix it's like a big process getting a fight sugar how many amateur fights you have yeah i had 14 mma fights amateur mma fights four kickboxing couple boxing it was every weekend in montana yeah

so montana people just angry just want to fight you can just like to fight you can sign up that week and fight so you get a ton of fights no commission no commission oh that's good so it's a manly place that montana yeah it is it's quite manly i mean you guys have grizzly bears and shit lots of elk grizzly bears wolves you know i of elk. Elk, grizzly bears, wolves, you know. I was there two summers ago. I went and just was like, man, I need to figure out a way. I spent more time here. I was in Bozeman.

Oh, yeah. Fuck, man. It's beautiful. Hell, yeah. It's fucking stunning. Yeah, I definitely want to. I enjoy being away from there right now just because I grew up there. Right.

Being in Phoenix is like, I don't want to be anywhere else. I love being in Phoenix. The training there is insane. Yeah, where we're at, Phoenix is like the fucking mecca, man. Like we get to train with Augusto Mendez, Tequino every day. Like he beat Hoffa Mendez. He beat Cabrinho. He beat Ryan Hall.

He beat all these people. And almost every mile there's a really good gym, like boxing gym, jiu-jitsu gym, wrestling gym. Henry Cejdo has a club there the mma lab with john kraut's like where we train yeah there's killers everywhere yeah that's one of the best spots in the world for sure phoenix is uh there's a few hot beds for mma obviously la is a big one miami's a big one phoenix is a fucking huge one too though yeah the lab like it's it's a different type of gym than a lot of other gyms. I haven't seen many gyms, like, stay together.

And I think a big reason is because of John Crouch. He's, like, one of the best facilitators out there. He keeps everyone together. If you don't show up to practice, he'll text you and say, hey, where are you at? We've got to get our priorities straight. And, like, he really holds everyone accountable, and I think that's why it makes it a really good, strong place. Yeah, he's one of my favorite coaches.

He's just a super no-nonsense guy, never blows his own horn, not looking for any attention, and absolutely knows his shit. Like when you hear him in the corner, he knows his shit. Yeah, he's good to have there in the corner, man. He just be the leader kind of of everything and look over everything. And, like, he brought up Benson from when he was a small like just starting so it's like we're lucky to be able to learn after that and then be around Benson in the room like he's got a work ethic like no other like is no

other still joining the military I heard he was thinking about joining the military I think it's too old now is he yeah I don't know how old what is the limit I thought you could join the military, like, up to, like, 36 or some shit. I feel like once you get across a certain age, they have to make an exception for you. I'm sure he'd make that exception. Yeah. He's an animal. He's a fucking beast.

Yeah. We're lucky to be around him. Like, the work ethic he brings in the room is like no other. Like, two and two wrestling drilling, I feel like he'd break any man on this planet. Like he'll put the pace on you and it's, it's pretty cool to learn from. We're lucky to see it every day. Yeah. I mean, that is one of the most important qualities.

Like there's a bunch of important qualities in a fighter, right? Being able to perform under pressure, creativity, creativity is big. I think that's one of the ways places that you excel. You really excel in creativity. Like when I watch you fight, I'm like, this kid's fucking around out there. Like you're having fun.

You're flowing. You know, when you were telling me today we were doing a little practicing, you were saying that you were doing some stuff in fights where you just thought of it. Like while you were doing it, you just felt like doing it.

Like there's people that can do that and there's people that never do that. You know, when they're in the fight, they're tightened up and they're fucking sticking to the script and maybe even sticking to like the real basics you know like barely even speaking in sentences right i think i think a lot of people think too much when they're in there and it's easier to say um i feel like when i'm in there i'm reacting i'm letting my letting all my training take over i'm not really thinking i'm just reacting to what they're doing, and I think that it helps me do what I've been doing is just reacting to certain situations,

and I just feel like I'm on a step ahead of them. Whoever I'm fighting, I feel like I'm a step ahead of them. He's really good at, like, the greater the chaos, the calmer he becomes, and that's the truth. The brighter the lights are, the more he's shining and completely calm. And before that last fight against Andre, we watched probably four of Conor's fights right before we walked to the arena. And Sugar's sitting there zoning in on those fights, watching the way he walks out, watching the way he's good with his energy, smart with his energy. And you can really see it in the fight, the way he mimics them.

And Sugar can watch someone do something, and he can do it right away it's a really cool talent yeah before the last couple fights um before we go to the arena we just throw a fight pass watch connor watch him walk out watch just watch him his body language and connor's he's the man i love connor i've always loved connor since since i remember watching his first fight against what was his first like max holloway was that his first one in the ufc've always loved Conor Since I remember watching His first fight Against What was his first Max Holloway

Was that his first One in the UFC In the UFC Yeah I remember watching him And I'm like That dude's gonna be good I think that was

His first fight He blew his ACL out In that fight Maybe that wasn't His first Was it Brimage No Might have been

Marcus Brimage Was it Yeah He stopped He stopped Brimage And then he blew His ACL out I want to say

In the first round Against Holloway And he started Controlling him On the ground And taking him down Was it? Yeah. He stopped Brimage, and then he blew his ACL out, I want to say in the first round against Holloway. That's right. And he started controlling him on the ground and taking him down. But that was a very young Max Holloway, too. You're dealing with Holloway when I think he was like 20 or something like that. Seriously?

Yeah, he was young. Yeah, super, super young. He's a beast. Fuck, he's a beast. Max is awesome. He's cool. I remember he came down to the lab once. We just kind of played around and sparred, but I'm excited for that.

He's fighting Ortega next, July 7th, yeah? Yes, I'm very excited about that. I'm hoping I can get in there. I hope we can get some tickets. That's going to be sweet. Yeah, dude, I'll hook you up. He's fascinating to me, Max, because he's just this guy that, like, I knew he was really good, and then he kept getting better

and kept getting better. I'm like, where's the ceiling on this guy? And then you saw in the Aldo fight, when he beat Aldo the first time, and then the second time. And the second time, you're like, Jesus Christ. Like, you really don't know how good a guy is. Like, you see them in a fight, and you go, wow, he's really good. But then you don't see him for a while, and you're like, is he better?

Has he slipped? Is he training hard? Like, where is he at? Like, you don't know until you see him again. And then when I saw him in that second Aldo fight, I'm like, Jesus, he's so much better than he was before. He yelled at the end of the first round. He looked over at us, and he goes, the man's tired! At the end of the first round, I was like, Jesus.

That's awesome. And Aldo was throwing bricks at him. He was really throwing hard in that first round to try to establish some distance. At all? He hit him with some shots, but he hits hard, but he didn't rock him. How many times has Max lost? He's only lost, well, in the UFC, he lost to Dennis Bermudez somewhere early in his career. He lost to Conor.

I think he only has two or three losses in his career. Three? Three losses. Who are they to? Does it say? And Dustin Poirier. Dustin Poirier. When did he lose to Dustin? His first one, 2012. Oh, man. Poirier's good. I love watching him fight. That fight against Gatchi, I watched it live. That was crazy.

He's a good... I thought that was kind of how that was going to go. He was going to outbox him. He was throwing some good combos. Justin's leg kicks are a motherfucker, but he takes too many shots. He's just, he's so intent on breaking people and just keeping that pressure on you that, I mean, he's a fucking really good wrestler. Oh, yeah.

And you never see any of it in his fights. I think he posted something that he's going to kind of switch up his game plan a little bit. Did he say that? Yeah, I think he did. But then he also said he might only have five more fights left. Well, if he fights that way. Yeah. I mean, he's just he's just fucking chaos. It's just he's a berserker.

But it's so fun to watch him. It's like you don't want to say anything to him. Pure entertainment. You know? I mean, fuck yeah. He's the Eddie Alvarez fight and the Dustin Poirier fight, but they're so similar in a way that he like almost gets the guy with his leg kicks, almost breaks him with those leg kicks, and then he got caught. But it worked in the Michael Johnson fight.

So it's like when you see it in the Michael Johnson fight, when you see Johnson's leg just starting to give out. We watched Luis Palomino in LFA. Was it LFA? It was World Series. That's right. We watched that. He's gnarly to watch live.

And he kicks low from real close, man. Drenner, it's a lot of power. Yeah, he's like literally tying up with you, and he's chopping down with low kicks. He's got real loose hips with that, you know? He's able to really bend his body and chop down. Nice, tight, high guard weight. Yeah. Come in. He fucks people's legs up, man does tougher and shit it's crazy when you see guys like that like

when they start to get beat you wonder if they're going to start use those losses as informative or demoralizing start to define themselves and then start questioning themselves that's why with sugar in training and in a fight even in training like he'll find the toughest guys to go with and he won't go with those guys and be like, oh, they're better than me and start defining himself. He'll just use it as informative and learn from it. So it's like, that's another good mentality. He has super positive, good mentality.

And I think a lot of that comes from eating good and having the right rest and hydrating and eating good year round, not just eating good during fight camps and blowing up. And I think that's a lot to do with it. For sure. Living that lifestyle, just eating healthy, like you said, all year round, not just getting healthy for six weeks and then eating like shit after and getting injured. Once I really started learning about eating healthy, a ton of small little injuries went away.

My back would hurt every morning. What were you doing wrong before? Like what were you eating? Pop tarts. Like sugar. Like fucking just anything shitty. I didn't know. Hot pockets, top ramen, all that stuff. would hurt every morning what were you doing wrong before like what were you eating pop tarts like fucking just anything shitty i didn't know hot pockets top ramen any all that stuff that was just raised eating you know and once i started realizing what that stuff's doing to my body and how i could feel it it changed changed my whole mindset and like eating healthy was one of the

biggest things that improved my skills even as a fighter i feel like just as far as my mental thoughts um my training sessions were so much better were you just saying that you eat a lot of sardines no i said i ate some sardines last night and then i had some this morning that is a very good food yeah believe it or not no they are yeah dude we're so so lucky to have the internet and podcast and be able to learn from guys like you, Dr. Andy Galpin, like Aubrey Marcus, Tim Ferriss. Chris Kresser, you ever listen to some of the episodes with Chris Kresser? Fantastic on information, fantastic information on nutrition.

There's so many guys like that, Rob Wolf, so many people that are at the cutting edge of performance and diet. Rob Wolf, you know, so many people that are like at the cutting edge of performance and diet. And Rob Wolf is interesting too, because he experiments himself on it with his own body quite a bit. And he talks about it online and he's getting really heavily into jujitsu right now. And he does a lot. I mean, he's, he's really interesting too, because he does a lot of ketogenic stuff, but really adds way more carbs on jujitsu days. And I had Zach Bitter on. Zach won the American record for 24 hours? It was the American record for running the most amount of miles in 24 hours.

Yeah, he's a fucking beast. How many did he run? What did he run? He ran 24 hours straight? What? Yeah. A full day of running? That's where we're trying to find the balance, though.

Oh, you don't want to do that. On days that we're not training, we're trying to do keto, so we're just keeping the inflammation down in our body. Well, this bitter guy that I was just going to say, he's a full keto guy. He mostly eats meat, but on days when he has, there it is. He broke the U.S. 100 mile record. That's what it was. Seven minutes per mile for 12 hours.

That's the record. That's insane. That's right. What a badass. He's a fucking savage. I wonder what his mental thoughts are running. I wonder if he's just in the now, just going. He's just got to be in a trance.

But he, on days where he's running, he way ramps up his carbs. So, like, you know, the average person is trying to keep their carbs within, like, 50 grams or 75 grams to stay keto. You've got to recognize that for extreme requirements, like physical activity, ramp that shit up. So, Rob, I'm also going to say that Rob Wolf is really experimenting a lot with that. You can follow him on Instagram. He's big up on that yeah like in we listen to a lot of ben greenfield too so he's fantastic when we're not training we're listening to you guys it's like we're treating

you guys like a college like you guys is our college and then we're going to our jiu-jitsu learning from takino going to learn from john crouch and like i don't know i feel like we're on a really good track especially for sugar now how do you guys know each other how'd you guys meet? Oh good story I uh I was going to commentate and I was with Bellator at the time and going back to Montana to commentate for some fights and uh what were you doing for Bellator? Fighting for them yeah and I went to commentate some local fights up there and I saw Sean he was I was 18 18 at the time and i saw him i was like damn my kid submitted a a wrestler in the first round and i knew at his gym he doesn't wrestle i'm like kid's got some good talent so i invited him down after i went up to him and i said hey dude

you can stay on my couch for a little bit and come check out the gym kind of figured he wouldn't i remember i remember the he told me that i was so jacks i knew tim i seen him on tv i didn't meet him personally but i seen him on bellator I didn't meet him personally, but I'd seen him on Bellator. He was on the Fightmaster show. And after my fight, we were at the Sting bar, like a local bar, and he came up to me and he offered me that. I remember I think I called you the next day. I'm like, hey, dude, yeah, I want to come down.

We figured it out. I think I came down a few weeks later, months later. I came down for 10 days, and it was one of the most, the biggest ass-whiping i've ever got in my life i remember when we were driving from the airport he was talking he's like yeah i mean you were going to the top i'm like this kid has no idea what he's about to get himself into taking him to the pro practice with all the people because as soon as you get on the team everyone fucking hammers on you the hammers on you to beat you they break you down mentally to see if you're going to come back

so i was there for a full week so monday is striking day tuesday's wrestling i literally did not know how to wrestle i didn't know what a single leg was did not know anything about wrestling um i remember a good group of people just whooped me bad i remember crying leaving practice did you wrestle in high school no nothing nothing and you what part of montana you from helena the capital um but yeah i never so i boxed a little bit but i never never wrestled didn't really grapple i remember i knew one arm i knew an arm bar off my back it was the only thing i knew and that's what i caught that wrestler and i got him in an arm bar i surprised i didn't even i was like holy shit i just did that but anyway i came down got

beat up bad for a week um went back say went back to montana um saved up $2,000, packed my car, drove down. He was living with his girlfriend at the time. We stayed there for two weeks, and then we got an apartment. And I had only known Tim a little bit, but we got an apartment close to the lab. And I just literally went every single day, twice a day. When he first showed up, I smoked some weed in the night, and he was so taken back. He's like, holy shit. He looked up to me, couldn't believe that I was doing that drug.

That you smoked weed? Couldn't fucking believe it. My dad's a detective in Montana. And I was raised like, weed's not good. Not good. Like, that's what was going through my mind. I thought it was bad. Like, really bad.

We had debates about it, too. Oh, yeah. I remember he came down. came down one of the few places that went backwards with weed yeah they had medical marijuana in montana and now they're removing it they're removing all the stores when i was there they were like they were having some sort of a closeout sale because they were they were getting shut down i don't know if that's since been amended or fixed i don't know that sucks though and when he when he moved in when he moved in i was like okay this kid's fucking pissing me off he's not picking up his shit he's not not doing his dishes he eats like my mom did all that for me and i'm like okay i either could

get pissed off and kick him out but then i realized i'm like he doesn't even know he doesn't even know so i'm gonna work with him i'm gonna try to treat him like my little brother and help him and he was willing to like kind of follow along and then he started slowly starting to eat better started to eat spinach and his back problems started to go away and uh what kind of back problems i just my back would always hurt it was always inflamed always i don't know what it was i just i always i remember getting it looked at my lower lower back it was it was it was nothing it was literally from eating shitty food it's just all the inflammation from all the shitty food i was eating and i didn't know that at the time i remember my mom took me in they're like oh your back's fine but it hurts so bad

always i started eating more anti-inflammatories i started making shakes with spinach and almond milk and blueberries and chia seeds i started eating healthier and i slowly noticed like oh i feel better i started so i started getting more into eating healthier I remember just recently um I ate a vegan diet for six months and the people on Instagram hate me now that I don't eat vegan diet anymore yeah when you go off vegan diet man that's like when you become a muslim apostate seriously they want death to you yeah because I've been posting pictures like I posted a picture of I got this grass-fed beef jerky from Whole Foods yesterday. I got probably 30, 40 messages. Why aren't you vegan anymore?

People, they're mad at me for not eating a vegan diet anymore. But I always say I ate that vegan diet for six months, but I incorporated eggs into it because I just couldn't. I wasn't eating enough. But I never felt bad. I didn't feel worse. I just didn't I wasn't eating enough but I never I never felt bad I didn't feel worse I just didn't feel great once I started eating good quality meat again I felt my energy levels I'd wake up my energy levels were way higher I just felt more aggressive I felt more like manly um so vegans right now getting angry in the contenders oh yeah in the in the contenders I know you lost me the contender fight, he weighed 138 pounds.

He was a vegan at that time. I walked. Sickly, just like skinny. There's more to that, too, than just the vegan diet. I had a concussion, a bad concussion, three weeks out from that fight against Alfred in the Contenders Series. I remember waking up in the middle of the night puking. I couldn't train. I remember I even woke up with a little headache going into the fight. you remember what it was from um yeah i was from sparring i got hit hard boom and i

remembered i'm like fuck but i knew this is a huge opportunity um i like the matchup i knew i just had to go out there and perform but yeah i was i weighed in at 136 and i walked into the cage at 138 like i was it was and you can even look and you can even go back and look at that video and I looked just unhealthy. But it all worked. Yeah, I just was so skinny. I was like 138 pounds right there. But I still dropped his ass.

Two weeks later we went to hang out with our buddy Scott Holtzman in the UFC for UFC Fresno and Dr. Andy Galpin was with him for the week. And I knew Sugar was with me. with him for the week and i knew sugar was with me he watched what the health and that's what turned him vegan so i made sure to ask dr andy in front of sugar i said how much would sean benefit from eating like elk or uh grass-fed meat twice a week he's like fucking hugely hugely and then sean right there made the decision i'm gonna

start like if this guy's telling me if this if he's this smart and he's telling me that some good quality meat's gonna benefit me i would be stupid to not take him up on that and and do that so and i don't regret i feel so good eating meat again i feel way stronger it's hard when you see those documentary and also you get a lot of positive reinforcement from other vegans that are very happy that you're vegan yeah they love that you join the team and look people want to be healthy and for the most part eating vegetables is very healthy the problem is there's a lot of nutrients that you're going to really have to search for if you're just eating plants and it's the protein is not as bioavailable the amino acids are not as bioavailable it's very hard to get vitamin b without supplementation there's a lot of shit that you're just not going to get and they like bang for your buck in terms

of like the amount of nutrients that you get in like a small grass-fed steak versus a big plate of broccoli it's just not the same and they don't want to admit it and a lot of these people like those i think those what the health guys i had them on when they did cow spiracy i think they mean well but they are fucking true believers and they they are not trying to put together a documentary that states all the facts objectively they're doing a vegan propaganda film and on it debunked a shitload of the things we had actual nutritionists analyze what they were saying go over the studies and they debunked a shitload of what they put in that film. That film is propaganda film and it gets a lot of people thinking that this

is the way to go. It's going to reverse heart disease and help your body. And, but they get so many things wrong. Meat does not cause diabetes. Like this is nonsense. Like when they do these studies with people, especially like studies that they do on people

that show that people that eat meat more than five times a week have a higher incidence of heart disease and all these different things, they don't measure what else they eat. These people that are eating meat all the time are eating fries and shakes and soda. You're not analyzing someone who eats sauteed spinach and olive oil and a piece of grass-fed beef or bison or elk or something like that. No, you're getting some assholes eating Jack in the Box. Like, yeah, that stuff's terrible for you. It's fucking sugar and refined carbohydrates and nonsense and trans fats. All that stuff's terrible for you.

There's no studies that show that eating clean, like people have eaten for thousands of years. I mean, literally, if meat caused cancer, 97% of the planet would have cancer. That's the numbers that eat meat on a regular basis. It's like 95 plus percent. Fuck. And then those people that are vegans, they're like, oh, I'm

going to try a vegan diet. And then they're eating all these veggies, getting these nutrients that they didn't get before and they're like, I feel fucking great. Get off that bullshit diet. You stop eating Jack in the Box. Sorry, Jack in the Box. In the middle of the night, sometimes I do go to you for comfort. Don't do it.

It's not Jack in the Box. It's just fast food, shitty food, processed food. You know, that's what the problem is. It's like people, like you were saying, like ramen. I like ramen every now and then. Fuck, it tastes good. But it's not good for you. I, like ramen. I like ramen every now and then. Fuck, it tastes good. But it's not good for you. I couldn't eat it.

Yeah. Just like knowing what it does to your body, knowing that you are what you eat. I can't cheat. I can't do it. If I know that's not going to benefit my body, I can't eat it. It's hard for me to eat. You are what you eat. Like 100%.

It's so simple. It's such a simple phrase. But literally, your body is made out of what you eat. And that mouth pleasure. I know. For real. Especially when you're high. God damn, man.

Ice cream sundae with hot fudge. That's so terrible for you. But there's all these healthy, you can replace all of that with healthy stuff. Yeah, I haven't had any keto ice cream, but I've heard good things. Some people said there are some stevia-sweetened or xylitol-sweetened keto ice cream that doesn't fuck with your body. Nice. That new Halo Top has that sweetened coconut milk and stevia. It's pretty tasty.

Yeah. Well, there's stuff that you can eat that is good. And, of course, fruit. You know, eating healthy fruit. Of course fruit, you know, eating healthy fruit. I mean, look, man, a nice, delicious, ripe peach is about as fucking good as any bullshit fucking fake dessert that you're going to get anywhere. We don't appreciate it because we think of it as being like a healthy choice. So you don't get that I'm being a naughty boy reward that you get from having a banana split or something.

Fuck. God, it's just not worth it. It fucks your whole night of sleep up. Yep. It fucks your blood sugar up. And that's the thing. It's crazy that most people don't know. They're like, God, I just eat and I'm tired and then I just get starving again.

They just don't know about those blood sugar fucking. Yeah, the insulin spikes. I had a regular Coke the other day, like a couple of weeks ago for the first time in years. How come? Oh, just whatever. It was there. I said, I haven't had a regular Coke the other day, like a couple of weeks ago, for the first time in years. How come? Oh, just whatever. It was there. I said, I haven't had a Coke in forever.

Let me have a Coke. And it was like drinking syrup, like this sugary. It felt thick when I was chugging it down. I was like, God. Did it hurt your stomach? No. No, but I did feel like shit after after it was down i was like whoa i feel terrible but how many people drink those fucking things every day

every day first 42 at 34 ounces or what a 32 ounce pop it's hard yeah it's hard because it's who you're surrounded with too like fuck dude if you're surrounded with everyone like oh come on pussy just have a good time enjoy your life you're like fuck it right and then you're like exactly that's that's something like who like it's such a common thing you are who you surround yourself with but people don't i don't know it's like i'm so lucky that when i was surrounded myself with tim like he he introduced me to eating healthy i remember when i was 19 i moved to the lab every day we have pro practice practice Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Saturday. Every day I was going to the coffee shop and reading mind gym books,

like all these mental books. And we were doing it together. We were reading, constantly improving each other, wanting to get better, wanting to help each other improve. And it was so important for me to – you are who you surround yourself with. And I see people not surrounding themselves with the best people they can be around and it's a trap yeah it's a terrible trap but sometimes those people that are not the best people are really fun to be around that's the problem that's a distraction it's like what's keeping you back from wanting to be the very like i want to be the best bantamweight in the world like what's keeping you people back from wanting to be the best of them and

distractions people who are fun to be around alcohol you know even women like certain food is like distractions of what's keeping you back from wanting to be the best you yeah so it's just our brains are crazy our brains are nuts yeah i mean just well you got to think about just what you do for a living i mean just that alone's crazy right the desire to be a professional fighter to desire to fucking kick people in the head and choke them and have them try to do it to you and this is what excites you. This is what's driving you to go to the gym to improve constantly at. I mean that alone is crazy. And then these other people that are living their lives and drinking too much and smoking too much and eating shitty foods, that know they that's their path you know they're but their path is not compatible with your path that's the big key i like how kyle kingsbury said

like like there's going to be some point in your life that health is your main priority there's going to be some point when you're old and you have a disease or it could be now but i was lucky enough to like when i was 20 and 21 learning these things, I moved in with Robert Follis and got to live with him for a while. And I was like, damn, this motherfucker's got bookshelves of books. Super smart. And I'm like, why is he eating all that? Why does he go to this Trader Joe's place? So I started going to Trader Joe's and I'm like, Robert Follis would always say,

he's like, how much do you train your mind? We train jujitsu. We train wrestling. We train all this. How much do you sit there and train your mind? And I was like, fuck. So I just started reading books and started reading about eating healthy and super lucky to learn and be around that guy he was probably one of the biggest influences in my life because i was raised jehovah's witness my whole life and he was raised jehovah's witness his whole

life and i carried a lot of fucking guilt for not being in the like religion slash cult and he's like dude you're not a good person because of that religion he's like you're a good person because you're a fucking good person and then just started telling me to read and do your own research don't listen to these people do your own fucking research learned a lot from that guy and i got to pass it on to sugar he was a gem i really really loved that guy such a great guy to be around i mean i didn't know him enough you know really when he died it bummed me out so much i was like god damn i should have spent more time with that guy isn't that crazy i only got to meet him i only met him like three or four times but every time i was around him i was like

it was cool because he taught tim so much and i could learn i'd seen like that's where he learned it all from like robert's a smart dude yeah that's why i was such a bummer you know a guy like that would want to end his own life like how how is that possible that someone was so loved and respected and appreciated? It really just highlights, you know, the real issues that people who have mental illness and depression are going through. You know, it's like it's not obvious to people on the outside. You never know what someone's, you just never know how someone's feeling or thinking. His brother committed suicide, and I think that's what made him start maybe getting into pills or alcohol and stuff. But it was weird because he would always be the one, the answer for you to all your problems.

He had the perfect answer, super intelligent. So it kind of freaked me out. I'm like, man, I want my life to be like that guy. I want to be like him when I grow up. And when that happened, I was like, fuck, man, I couldn't believe it. How did you get out of Jehovah's Witness? My parents got divorced in eighth grade. My mom moved to Canada. I was still a Jehovah's Witness. And I lived with her for a while and I just was super trapped. Couldn't hang out with anyone.

Couldn't do any sports. And I was like, fuck, I have to make a decision. Go with my dad and get out of the cult. And all the elders were like, don't do that. That's a mistake. That's a mistake. But I made the decision. They have elders too, just like the Mormons? Yeah. And all the elders were like, don't do that. That's a mistake. That's a mistake. But I made the decision. They have elders too, just like the Mormons? Yeah. And I made the decision, I'm going to go move with my dad and move back to Montana. And then my dad was super into UFC, so I started wrestling and boxing when I was 14 and then on from there. One of my wife's, well, how do I put this without, this person I know was heavily into mormonism and uh they they had people come over

the house that were elders and the kid was 20 and he's like this is elder mike i'm like the fuck it is elder mike like what are you talking about elder you're 20 dude i'm like go out there and get some pussy that is that is so preposterous you fucker you know they were they were going to other countries

as missionaries you know getting these people riding their bikes South America you know going up to them

and saying hey come join the cult I remember my dad was watching the UFC when I was I had to have been 12 or 13 and I thought it was the I was like I remember telling my mom that dad was watching the UFC when I was I had to have been 12 or 13 and I thought it was the

I remember telling my mom that he was watching, I told on him that he's watching two guys fight I thought it was the craziest thing ever, I hated it I did not like confrontation, like 12, 13 years old and I remember literally telling on my dad that he was watching the UFC

it's funny looking back on that that's hilarious. Yeah. Wow, do you remember who was fighting? I don't. I remember Chuck and Tito and then Uriah Faber. Those were the three guys

I remember their names. Do you believe they're going to fight again? Are they getting it on again? Chuck and Tito are supposed to be fighting again. What? Yeah. When?

This year? Who knows? It's for Oscar De La Hoya's burgeoning MMA promotion. Tell him you're not going to watch, though. You'll be tuning in, baby. Hey, you fucking got me, man. You got me. I mean, I probably will have to watch, unfortunately.

I'm sure Bellator didn't pick that up. I don't think Bellator wants it. I think Bellator's cautious. You know, I know Bellator was talking to Chuck, but, you know, I mean, Dana White said it best. There's a reason I asked him to retire 10 years ago. Fuck. 10 years ago.

I mean, look, man, there's a number. Here it is. Tito Ortiz announces he's coming out of retirement for Chuck Liddell Trilogy. Is that today? I'll watch. May 11th. Oh, okay. Yeah, it's happening, man.

It's happening. Damn. I wonder how their training camps are going to go. Fuck. But they're going to be hurting. Yeah, it's happening, man. It's happening. Damn. I wonder how their training camps are going to go. Oof. Fuck. But they're going to be hurting. Yeah, a lot of MRIs. Seriously.

One, two sessions a week. Well, Tito is in remarkably good shape, believe it or not. He's had a significant number of back injuries. But other than the Chuck Liddell fights, he really didn't take a lot of head shots. Yeah. You know? Didn't't take a lot of head shots yeah you know it didn't really take a lot of head trauma you know tito's a tough motherfucker man he's been he's been around a long ass time and when he fought chuck the gap in striking was just so large you know tito was always a a competent striker you know he was a strong guy and a great

wrestler and his ground and pound was some of the best. Tito was one of those guys that never bothered passing the guard. He was like, fuck you and fuck your guard. Team Quest out. I'm going to get on top of you and smash you. There was nobody catching Tito Ortiz in triangles. Get the fuck out of here with that.

You were getting elbowed and punched in the face. He was phenomenal at that. But his stand-up could not hang with Chuck. Chuck, when you think of Chuck's stand-up, it was never like, it was beautiful in a lot of ways because the knockouts were spectacular. But it was not sneaky. You know what I'm saying? There was no artistry to it. There was no feints.

There was no like T.J. Dillashaw style movement or Dominic Cruz. It was just attack. Viking. Powerful. Just smash people. And skillful. Don't get me wrong. It was very, I mean, look, he fucked up a lot of really good guys with solid technique.

But it was just so overtly aggressive. His style was so aggressive that that style just caught up with him. He was in so many wars, man. Just so many fucking crazy wars. It's weird, the confidence. You see, it's so good, I feel like, when someone knocks people out early on in their career. And they're like, oh shit, man. If i fucking touch this guy he's gonna fall right sugars knock someone out with every limb on his body so it's like he knows he can touch this guy with any limb and what they

do they fucking fall over and i think a lot of people late in their career they never knock someone out so they don't believe that at all and i feel like you can see that big time in fights or a wrestler knocks someone out for the first time they're like oh addicted johnny hendrix right well hendrix for a while had some magic power in his hands it was weird but it's weird is that it went away it didn't make any sense if you see like his fight with martin campman or his fight with fitch or a lot of the guys he fought, he would just fucking one-touch these guys and they would fly

across the cage like he had magic in his hands. Dude, Hendrix for a while, I don't know if he got injured, if his shoulder got fucked up, if he couldn't throw the way he used to be able to throw. Whatever it was, USADA, whatever it was, whatever got him, whatever got him whatever got him he motivation time just

father time whatever it was but goddamn it just went away and then he became not a dangerous striker it's so weird that's fucking weird and that's another thing like whether it's usada or whether they're using those losses as informative or demoralizing. Well, we all know. Everyone who has been around gyms knows things that have not been published. We know people that have not been caught, but we've seen them dip significantly when they had to go off a cycle because they were going to a place where they were going to get tested regularly. We've all seen it. And these are stories that, like, you hesitate.

Like, should the general public understand what the real risks are because these fighters that go to you say you go to some place like rise and they're like hey go crazy we don't give you you don't give a fuck old school pride go crazy we don't give a fuck but then when those guys come over and try to compete in the UFC and the UFC is like okay fill out this You know, give us your whereabouts. You got to sign in everywhere you go. And then they start showing up. And someone like Holly Holmes has been tested like 19 times. They just show up.

Knock, knock. Here, time to pee. You know, let's check your blood. Let's see what's going on in your body. Make sure you're not doing anything stupid. All right, go back to sleep. I mean, if you come from this place where you're allowed to cheat, basically, and you're doing it all the time, which we all know a lot of organizations allow that to happen. And then you try to come over to the UFC.

You're going to see depression. You're going to see lethargy. You're going to see people that they're in a dour mood all the time. They're always sad. Their body's broken down. You see they shrink. You see all this loose excess skin. Their arms, they're not defined anymore.

It's fucking horrible. But they want to fight, and they want to make the money. You know, hey, it's 30 and 30 if I win. It's the money. Yeah, maybe I can go to Guatemala and hide out and do D-ball for six weeks. God, a lot of fighters, fighters too it's like what defines them yeah it's fucking what defines them that's all they got that's all they're known for their whole life like yeah oh he's the fighter when's your next fight when's your next fight and then if

you don't fight for a couple months you got people like i broke my jaw my last fight constantly people asking so when you fight hey you done fighting are you done fighting it's like fuck dude how long ago was that in August. Fucking first punch of the fight. Boom. Broke it clean. Still went into the second round, and I was trying to finish him, trying to put him away because I knew if I win one more, I'll get back in the UFC. So that was a tough one.

But it forced me to meditate. I had my jaw wired fucking tight shut for eight weeks, and I couldn't talk because my TMJ joint would flare up, so I'd have a bad headache. So I'd have to sit in my chair, and I flare up, so I'd have a bad headache. So I'd have to sit in my chair, and I'm like, okay, I have to do this. So I just read, started meditating, and I'm like, dude, there's something. How do you eat? You just suck liquid through your teeth every day, all day. I remember when I hurt my foot, I was like, we were in the ambulance going to the hospital,

and I remember thinking, this could be worse. I could have my mouth hanging off of me. Yeah, it happens, man. The ER guy, there was no one in the ER. And they're like, you need to let the inflammation go down. So I had to go two days and drive to another city with it hanging off. But like I said, I wouldn't trade it. I wouldn't take it away because I started meditating.

Now sugar is meditating. And, man, we've gotten so much fucking benefits from that. It's crazy. Even now we're hooked on it yeah i do in the tank oh yeah meditating in the tank you have one in your house i have one right here here yeah that's so sweet that is such a fucking benefit man for me it's like when the world gets weird and the world my world's weird as fuck man you know i try to explain it to people i'm'm like, it's weird being me. I bet. You know, and to be able to just take some time and just look at it all through fresh eyes. Like, that's the place for me, getting into that tank. Do you do an hour?

I like an hour, but I do two if I have the time. I like two hours. A two-hour session would be... Yeah. God, and then you get... Having it here is what it's all about, so I can just do it any time I want. Hell yeah. Like, I wake up at 3 o'clock in the morning and just drive over here.

Sweet. What's your morning routine like? Or do you have a morning routine that you like, or do you just kind of. Fasted cardio is what I like to do, or fasted yoga. That's my most recent thing is I'm doing either 14 to 16 hours, depending upon what my day looks like. Nice. So intermittent fasting.

And then I usually either like yoga or running in the morning. Today was running, and then I'll do something in the afternoon, either martial arts related or weightlifting related. Do you drink coffee every morning, like right when you wake up? Not always, but I like it. I like these things, these nitros, these caveman nitros. I like regular coffee too, but I drink water With Himalayan salt in it too That's one of the first things

Yeah Put a little lemon in there Do that every night Sometimes Sometimes I throw a little Cayenne pepper in there Motherfucker Any apple cider

Ever vinegar I do that stuff sometimes too I take a lot of probiotics Those are the A lot of I eat a lot of kimchi I find like Kimchi and game meat

Is like I've been on this kick For the past three or four months Where I just eat Kimchi and elk Like three like I've been on this kick for the past three or four months where I just eat kimchi and elk like three four times a week I'm eating that stuff dude it's hard when you eat some elk before bed and you wake up hard as a rock

people don't know man you're eating a super athlete if you eat elk you're literally eating a super athlete you know that's like another reason not just Dr. Andy, but listening to you talk about it. I listen to your podcast all the time, talk about how beneficial eating those kind of meats are. And I'm just like, God, I got to do it. And I feel so much better doing it.

Well, if you think about how healthy it is to eat salmon, like a healthy wild salmon, that is an animal that's out there Hustling, you know a salmon making its way upriver you eat one of those things It's just loaded with nutrients and essential fats and when you eat an elk man You're eating an animal that's getting away from wolves and bears and fighting to the death with swords grown out of its head I mean literally it's a forest horse with fucking spears growing out of its head. And they're just out there hustling. Seriously.

All day. Living out in Montana in the winter, in the middle of the fucking winter. Seriously. Running from wolves and shit. I mean, that's their life. You eat one of those things. You eat it. It's like, oh.

What the fuck? You get charged up. You're like, rawr. I've given it to people that have never eaten it before, and they're like, holy shit. I'm like, yeah, you feel different, right? You feel- You're eating their DNA. Yes.

Do you listen to Paul Cech? Paul Cech. He's the Jeet Kune Do guy, right? Isn't he? No, he's been on Aubrey's and stuff. He's a- No, I'm thinking of Paul Vernac. Yeah.

I'm thinking of a different guy. Yeah, I have listened to Paul Cech. I listened to him on Aubrey's podcast. He's amazing. Yeah. Fuck, he's been on Aubrey's and stuff he's uh no I'm thinking of Paul Vernack yeah I'm thinking of different guy yeah I've have listened to Paul check I listened to him on Aubrey's podcast he's amazing yeah fuck he's a wizard he was explaining how uh um pasture-raised eggs versus just regular eggs so we're literally eating the DNA of that chicken and it was I don't remember what exactly said but it blew my mind I was like he's awesome he would that'd be that'd be a good podcast you and him that would be sweet yeah I'd have him on for sure that would be so sweet yeah chickens they love to eat bugs and worms and grass and they love to roam around and if they are allowed to do that they get a dark like an orange yolk that you just don't get from those

goddamn grocery store egg chickens those grocery grocery store chickens are prisoners. You're getting little prisoner eggs. You're eating that, putting it into your body. I mean, it's better than nothing, but it's nothing like a farm raised, free-ranging chicken egg. You could get those at farmer's markets and stuff like that, but you could tell the moment you crack them open.

I mean, it's just orange like the sun. You take care of your chickens? Yeah, I have chickens. Are they a pain? What's that? Are they a pain? It's not the easiest thing. Really?

You know, yeah, you got to clean the shit and you got to make sure they have enough food. And for me, I got a squirrel problem. My wife wants to kill the fucking squirrels. Me, I'm like, they're cute little fellas, right? But they steal all the food. They're fat fucking squirrels. Because they keep figuring out a way to get into the chicken coop and get all the chicken food. And they're just in steal all the food. They're fat fucking squirrels. Because they keep figuring out a way to get into the chicken coop and get all the chicken food. And they're just

in there all the time. But now I might have to put them to death because I found out they've been stealing eggs. The squirrels have now figured out that they can get eggs. And so a squirrel was trying to roll an egg out of the chicken coop through the hole that he comes in. We caught him doing that. I didn't catch him.

Smart little fucker. I don't know, man. I didn't catch him. Damn. Smart little fucker. How are you going to get him? Smart little fucker. I don't know, man. I don't know. I bet it feels good. I've never hunted, but it feels good shooting

and then eating the meat you get. It does. I'm nervous, though, because I feel like I would feel so guilty shooting an animal. You will. I remember I shot a bird when I was... There, little fucker.

Look at him. He's got an egg. Oh, that's yours? No, it's not. Pull that back, Jamie. I had no idea that squirrels did this. I had to find out in my own yard. These little fuck faces. They're egg stealers, bro.

How do they know? How do they know? They're so cute. They're so cute. How do they know? They fucking know how to get eggs. Little motherfucker. Yeah, the chickens don't know how to get eggs. Little motherfucker. Yeah, the chickens don't know what to do. Damn. That's funny.

Yeah. Squirrels, they're not smart, but they're determined. I think I might have to run a fucking arrow through a few of them. Yeah, seriously. But I don't want to kill the squirrels. That's the problem. See, it's like I don't want them eating my eggs, but I also don't want to kill them. So I don't know what to do.

I know. It's like they have one life. I keep figuring out a way to block off their holes, but they keep opening new holes. Fuck. This is what this guy did. He made a protector box or something. Oh, interesting. I'm not sure.

Just like my brother says, though, man, if you're hunting and you're a really good shot, you're going to put that thing away, and it didn't even know it died. It lived a great life. Boom. It's done. And you're eating its meat done and yeah but listen man that's best case scenario yeah here's the thing though they don't live forever anyway and the way they die in the wild by getting torn apart by wolves or coyotes or mountain lions is way worse that's true than a bullet or an arrow. You know, I mean, the life of an elk is a quick life. If you're like, not that one, but that one's probably only like maybe five years old. But the one outside, the big one over by the mats, that one's about nine years old. That's about as old as you're going to, if you find like a 10, 11-year-old elk,

holy shit, that guy's lived forever. And their teeth are all worn down. Wow, I didn't know that. I had no idea. Yeah, they don't live very long. It's a hustle. And they're out there just fighting for their life and trying to get by. Most of the time, they're just grazing. But they'll look up and they'll see a wolf or something.

And it's like, fuck, it's on, man. I have some friends that live in Idaho. And you know, Idaho has a considerable wolf population. And they went on this scouting trip. And when they were up in the hills, they kept finding, they found four dead, really large bull elk that were torn apart by wolves. Over the course of like a 10-mile hike, they found four of them laying there dead, torn apart by wolves. And they're like, holy shit. Like this is crazy.

So the wolves will eat part of it, leave it there. I mean, it's cold as shit where they are. They don't have to worry about the meat going bad. So they'll kill it, tear it apart, and then they'll find another one. And their instinct is to go after the next one. They don't like just kill one and say, we've got enough food, we'll eat this until we're full, and then when we get hungry, go hunt another one. There's hunters.

Yeah, they do what's called, what do they call it? Don't call it sport hunting. There's a word for it. When they kill, was it Wyoming? What was that one crazy story? In Wyoming, they killed 19 elk and didn't even eat them. What? Yeah, they don't.

Do it for fun? No, they don't do it for fun. They can't help themselves. It's like surplus killing. They know they can get away with it, so they just do it. And then they'll cash them. Yeah, look at this. 19 elk.

They recovered all of them and stacked them. Holy shit. They're not little either bro Big dudes Seriously These are the ones they brought down From Canada to the wolves They brought them down in the 90s

To repopulate Yellowstone Because we had eradicated wolves From most of the western states Did you see that animal They just found in Montana And they don't even know what it is Yeah it's a wolf hybrid I saw it

A wolf hybrid with what? A dog Yeah a wolf probably Fucked a German Shepherd or something. Damn, that's wild. They do that. Most of the time they kill them. They'll kill dogs. They eat dogs constantly. He fucked that one. Yeah, he was probably hungry

or probably horny rather and not hungry and just said, I'm gonna fuck this dog and see what happens. Damn, that's crazy. Or a dog fucked him or fucked her rather. It could have been that seriously yeah i don't know but you saw it you see that picture of that thing to me it looks like a wolf dog hybrid like maybe somebody had what is that there's this crazy russian dog that looks

like a werewolf it's this weird russian dog that's like fucking crazy hair all over the place and if a wolf fucked one of those, it would probably look like this thing. Yeah. Did you find that thing? What does it look like? Do you have good pictures of it? See, that picture sucks. That's just the back of it. There's another picture of it. It's head.

Wolf dog shooting in Montana draws international attention. See, to me, it just looks like a dog fucked a wolf. It's just a big-ass wolf dog. That's a big fucker, though. That is a big fucker. Sheesh.

It's a big animal. That looks like a 150-pound dog. Jesus. Could be a little pickup, too. Yeah, it could be, like a Tacoma. Yeah. Right. It's hard to tell.

Damn, that's crazy. Look, they're beautiful, man. I'm glad they're out there. They're fascinating, but they're rough on wildlife. But that's crazy. Look, they're beautiful, man. I'm glad they're out there. They're fascinating, but they're rough on wildlife. But that's their life. Their life is out there killing, and the elk's life is out there surviving. And the way I feel about hunting is you just dip your legs and your body into that world with discipline and with an understanding of what you're doing.

And if you get lucky and you get an opportunity, you kill one of those animals and bring it out. And that's like, to me, that is the cleanest, best way to eat meat. Yeah, for sure. I just feel like there's no better way in terms of like karma, in terms of your interaction with nature, the understanding connection that you have to your food. There's just so, and then health wise, there's no Monsanto, GMO, no spraying. I mean, you're eating a pure animal.

I need to try it. I need to shoot one someday. Well, Montana's the place, man. Go back home. I mean, shit. Montana has some of the best elk hunting in the entire country. I'd rather just eat my dad and brothers. I'm more of a gatherer.

That's good, too, man. Yeah, I probably would be right there with you. Hey of a gatherer. That's good too, man. Hey, man, nothing wrong with gathering or farming, man. Grow your own fucking vegetables, you know? Nothing wrong with that. That's the plan. Eventually we're going to make a compound and have our own animals. Hey, I'll give you guys some meat. I got a whole couple freezers back there. That would be so awesome.

When do you guys go back? We're going to drive back right after. Oh, shit. I'll hook you up. By the time you get home, it won't even be frozen. It won't even be thawed out yet. How old were you when you took your first rip of weed? Weed? I was 30. Well, not really.

See, I smoked when I was younger, but it was only like occasionally at like a party, and I always felt like a loser for doing it. You know, like everybody else would be getting high, and I'm like, oh, try that. But I was probably already drunk anyway, you know, like when I was 14 or 15 or something like that. So maybe I smoked weed a handful of times, less than a dozen times until I was 30. And then Eddie Bravo got me into it when I was 30 years old. We were doing jujitsu together and he was telling me how marijuana was helping his jujitsu

and helping his music and his creativity I was like what the fuck is this guy talking about my dude marijuana just makes you stupid like don't you know you know and he's like just try it and we got high and I remember thinking like oh this is what it is like wow I did not know same i can't believe it that feeling like you're like wow were you by yourself it's this no it's me and eddie oh sweet i was like i can't believe this we went and got something to eat we're talking oh yeah we giggled like crazy talked about all kinds of crazy shit and then i remember i started smoking pot and getting on stage

and i got i was getting real creative with my my comedy and then smoking pot and getting on stage. And I was getting real creative with my comedy. And then smoking pot and doing jujitsu. I was like, I can't believe how zoned in it gets you with training. Smoking pot and hitting the bag to this day is like one of my all-time favorite things. I get paranoid. I get freaked out. I get weirded out. I get freaked out.

But I just fucking wrap up my hands, put on the timer, and just once that sweat starts flowing and you start, and it's almost like the paranoia and the weirdness of it all, you just fight it off by hitting that bag. Ba-ba-boom. Ba-ba-boom. You know, and you hear the bell that says 30 seconds and you're flurrying, and then you get that one minute off to think about life and your future and the fucking universe and volcanoes and guatemala and hawaii

and the bell goes off again you got another three three minutes and man it's one of my my like it's a it's a psychedelic experience it's like a cleansing experience hitting the bag when you're high i like i love shadowboxing when i'm high i'll take a rip out at home and just sit they have a little mirror and i'll just shadowbox don't even know how long i just can just shadowbox for just go do you know what's weird like you feel balance when you're high you feel like like maybe like if you got an injury you feel it more you feel like where things are off you know what i mean and like for me i i feel my transfer of power better when i'm high like like certain techniques i i really get the timing of like when

to turn the hip over i feel it more when i'm high like i feel the connection with all the tissue all of it working together i swear it helps you just stay in the moment a little bit more, especially at night after you train real hard and you're thinking about your mind's going 100 miles per hour, take one rip and you're like, ah. It's all gravy. Everyone always asks how much I smoke. When do I smoke?

After surgery, I was smoking all day. The doctor said, hey. What did they do to your foot? So I tore the Liz Frank. So I think I fractured it and tore the ligaments. What is the Liz Frank? Why is it called Liz Frank? Does one poor girl have a fucking horrible injury?

These ligaments right here. And Frank's cousin. And that was in that... That was the Sukhantov fight. Yeah. I threw a kick and I landed and I launched off my right foot to throw a right hand and I felt it snap right there. Because we watched the replay.

Oh, there it is right here. So, lisfranc joint complex. So, that's where it tore. I'm just glad there's someone smart enough on this earth to be able to fix my foot. Dude, think of my mouth. I was like five smart people in this world. And so, you're, what are you, like 11 weeks out from surgery? Yeah, I'm about 11 weeks out. 10, 11 weeks out, and I'm feeling about 85, 90%.

I go to the doctor in a couple weeks to be cleared. Well, you were kicking the bag with that foot. I was feeling good, yeah. That was the first time I kicked the bag, and that felt good. I was excited about that. That's awesome. It's great that they could fix shit, man. Seriously.

Thank God for smart people. I know. I was like, I would fix shit, man. Seriously. Thank God for smart people. I know. I was like, I would be fucked right now. Yeah. But I guess this injury, like, a ton of people get it, and they just don't know. They just let it kind of heal and live with it. And what was it like, like, as it was healing? Like, what does it impede?

What's impede? What does it stop you from doing? What does it slow you down with what is what does it get in the way of things walking just just walking hurt so bad um i i didn't do anything i remember the doctor said just stay off your foot i literally played fortnite eight i was playing like i was living a professional gamer life for a month i was gaming eight hours a day i would wake up and i'd go and game for eight hours a day. Be high the whole time. And I was smoking

like, because I personally don't like smoking all day. I feel like it makes me unmotivated. It's not the weed, it's me. I feel unmotivated. I just don't really like it. But when I was gaming, it was the best. I was gaming, smoking all day. But yeah, I was... Where was I going with that? The surgery with your foot.

Oh yeah, I was talking about smoking weed. I like weed as like a nightly celebration almost. Like I get shit done during the day. I wake up, do my morning routine, go to the gym, come home, do what I do, eat lunch, play Fortnite, go to the gym, come home, and that's when I'm like, okay, I earned – because marijuana is so easy. And I know I have a huge following of people who smoke weed, him come home and that's when i'm like okay i earned because marijuana is so easy and like i know there's like i have a huge following of of um people who smoke weed and it's so easy to for

marijuana to take over your life and and be in charge of you um and i felt that when i was gaming and smoking i just want i like want to do i'm like i don't know whatever take a rip take a rip take a rip um and it takes over your life and i feel like it's it it's such a powerful drum i don't like the word drug it's such a powerful it is a drug though um masks a lot of people's problems masks a lot of people's feelings of how they truly feel it's so easy to get high all day instead of deal with them certain emotions um so i just feel like i feel like people are abusing it way too much. Some people certainly are. Some people are.

That's the case with everything though, right? It is. For sure. It is. So this foot thing, how do they fix it? What is the surgery? They put some pins in to hold the ligaments together. There was two options.

I was going to get a plate in my foot, and then six weeks later I was going to get surgery again to take it out. To take the plate out? And I was like, that does not sound. How about you keep that plate in? Crack people with it. Seriously. Well, I land a lot of my kicks.

You're supposed to land with your shin, but I land a lot with my foot. It's like a slap. But look at Thompson. Yeah. He throws a lot of instep kicks. I mean, that was the karate way for the longest time. I literally remember I knocked someone out in Seattle with my foot, and the dude was out for like 10 minutes.

It was, remember that? Yeah. That was gnarly. It was literally my foot slapping his jaw, and I was like, holy shit. Most certainly can knock people out with your foot. I mean, Phil Davis and Bellator just knocked that guy out. That was his foot, wasn't it? Didn't his foot land?

Yeah, it's weird. You don't see it coming. Yeah. It's the shots you don't see coming. Yeah, you're right. Especially when they come over the shoulder. Those round kicks that come over the shoulder from the outside. That Stephen Thompson kick where he threw that. That's probably one of my favorite knockouts. And it came over.

It literally looked like it came over. That was so sweet. It's almost like a question mark. Yeah, almost like that one. But the question mark one comes straight up the middle. That's the one. I threw the question mark kick, landed, and then that's when I did it. That's when I heard my foot. Oh, yeah, I wanted to bring this up too.

I remember you had a – I don't remember what podcast it was, but you were talking about – you were looking at my Instagram. You saw the – I did a kick to a guard pass. I was in front of him, did a 360 guard pass. And I remember you saying he could do that in a fight if he practiced it a lot and i've been practicing that so i've been doing that for a couple years now and i did it in that andre fight i was he was up against the cage and i 360 passed into side control and i wanted to bring that up and tell you that but it was it works spinning people don't know what to do when you spin right i spun and he covered he'd

cover up i'm past i'm already in side control now there's a moment they have to think it's People don't know what to do when you spin. I spun and he covered up. I'm past. I'm already in side control now. There's a moment they have to think. And when I'm striking as well, usually when I spin, they back up and cover up. Like, now I'm going to go to your body. Now I'm going to your body and now I'm going to go to your head. You can get away with a lot of stuff other people can't. You're so fucking athletic.

I feel like you could be a pro in a bunch of different sports. Like his timing and his eyes. Like, what did the doctor doctor say you have some of the best eyes you can yeah i remember going to the eye doctor a few different ones they're like oh my god your eyes are some of the best eyes i've ever seen in my life like they were taken back i don't know i don't know if that transfers over to fighting and my distance and how i see things coming or you found your range such at a young age to not like a wrestler like constant penetration penetration penetration started as a striker so he's got his range down so good and his eyes and his timing and his reaction time is so fucking fast so like everyone sees him and they're like oh that's that's beatable but with him in front of you it's way fucking well your length

man for your weight class for bantamweight you're so fucking long and i told you when i saw you i thought for a second that you might have been the son of michael o'malley there's a guy named michael o'malley who was my original taekwondo instructor who was a four-time national champion like literally one of the best taekwondo fighters in the world in his oh. Oh, yeah, he's tall. Yeah, he's very tall. And he fought 147. And he was like 6'3". Did they cut weight in Taekwondo? Yes. Yeah, but terribly.

Nobody knows what they're doing. They cut weight and fight the same day. But he was a beast. He was my original Taekwondo instructor. He was Jaehyun Kim's prize student. He was his number one student. And when I started michael had stopped fighting he was just teaching and now he runs a school in peabody but he basically taught me

almost everything that i know and mr kim mr kim took over as well when he came back but when i first started to train there for the first year or so, Mr. Kim was in Korea, and I learned everything from Mr. O'Malley. Fucking long limbs. He was so fast, too. That's sweet. So fast. He was so fast. He would do demonstrations on people, like demonstrations on how to set things up.

And you would see him do things, and it was confusing. You'd be like, fuck. Imagine if that guy was trying to kick me. In front of you? Yeah, because you'd be fucked because he was so good at setting things up and footwork and movement. And so when I saw you, I was like, holy shit, this kid looks like Michael O'Malley. I thought you were his son.

That's funny. I really did. I was like, holy shit, his son is funny? Because I haven't talked to Michael in a long time. I really did think that you were his son. That would have been nuts. That would have been. Yeah, I was like, wow, when I see this kid, I got to ask him.

Nope. Nope. Not my dad. Who knows? Maybe someone was on a traveling journey. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. You never know.

You never know. This world's crazy. Where was that at? Massachusetts. Massachusetts. Yeah. So when you first got together, when you two first got together, you were 18? When he was commentating the fight, yeah, I was 18.

And how old are you now? 23. 23. And so you guys have been hanging out together and training together the entire time? Yeah, we've been best friends the entire time. So it's like, and Sugar really looks up to me and trusts my opinion and he listens to me and that makes me have to up my game you know i have constantly have to research because i know he trusts me and i know he looks up to me so i have to make sure everything's really top notch it's it's it's nice now that i'm in a position to where i can he's he's my coach like

he's my main coach i can i'm paying him to be my coach he's focusing on me my diet um watching videos he sent like on instagram he'll send me videos of like we're i'm jiu-jitsu is my favorite sport in the gi that's probably what i've trained the most in like since since my series is pretty much what i've been doing is just drilling in the gi um he teaches at uh jens soul fighters and i go there and drill Monday Wednesday Friday um but he's constantly sending me videos of nutrition jiu-jitsu sleeping just any anything any knowledge he's sending me so it's he's such a huge benefit like a huge benefit to me to becoming what I want to be and it's so awesome like we're doing this together so it's cool I remember being 19 in the apartment like this is

what I wanted everything like training and to have to have him here with me even just being here it's cool. I remember being 19 in the apartment. Like, this is what I wanted, everything. Like, training and to have him here with me, even just being here, it's just so awesome to travel everywhere. Everywhere I go, we're going places. We're traveling and we're training. Everywhere we go, we're training. It's awesome. So how satisfying is it for you to see him in a position like the Andre fight where, like, I thought you made a big leap in between that fight and your

who's your that's right which was a very good fight too but I was like damn this kid's getting better I'm like you're you made a leap you were doing a lot of like weird unpredictable shit in the Sukumtat fight you were moving around a lot and I was like you looked real confident and like you were just constantly moving forward. How much is it like how good does it feel to watch someone improve like that? Dude, it feels just as good as if it was me doing it. Sometimes more, right? Like sometimes more. That's why I'm like, man, yeah, it feels fucking good.

But after every fight, I'm like, dude, let's treat it like we lost. Let's treat it like we fucking lost that fight. He always says that he said i go out because i'm 10 and 10 and all right now and every every fight i've won he said let's pretend you lost and i've improved so much in between fights because i i live this life still i don't i don't really party too much when i do i like to party though but i don't really party too much um my life's my life is MMA. My morning is training. My afternoon is training. He's constantly saying after a fight, let's pretend we lost. Let's improve.

From that Alfred fight to that Andre fight, that was less than a year I feel like I improved the most. I was just constantly learning. This sport is fucking awesome, man. It is fucking awesome. This sport is so awesome. It's a fucking crazy sport's fucking awesome, man. It is fucking awesome. This sport is so awesome.

It's a fucking crazy sport too, though, right? It's so nice too because like, ah, fuck, we're getting bored of jiu-jitsu a little bit. Let's go wrestle for a while or let's go box for a while. We can always bounce back and forth. It's pretty cool. You ever fuck around with any weird stuff

like Wing Chun or, you know, judo or anything? Mushrooms. The weirdest. Ah, yeah, mushrooms. i feel like mushrooms are gonna change the world yeah i think so too i met yeah that's what we're kind of like dealing with like with sugar like because we're really starting to figure out like what ego is and like oh some really really deep shit you know eckhart tolle sure i've been learning i've been listening to a lot of

podcasts about ego and aubrey marcus and uh with aubrey marcus and just a lot of Podcasts about ego and Aubrey Marcus And with Aubrey Marcus And just a bunch of different people And it's scary learning about your ego And like who you really are and who your ego is And understanding that they're two different people Like Fighting in this whole life

This whole like Instagram is basically your ego That's who your ego is I feel like for me Instagram I feel like social media basically your ego that's who your ego is i feel like for me um instagram yeah i feel like social media in general for your character like you push out what you want people to think of you like that kind of thing yeah everyone does like you post what you want people like that's what people are going to think of you as whatever you post right it's like and then like realizing because like i was broke last year this time i was pretty much broke and now i have a good

amount of money and it's i'm realizing money doesn't make you happy materialistic things don't make you happy and I know everyone says that um who is it what's Jim Carrey's quote like I wish everyone could be rich wants to realize that they don't want to rich and famous rich and famous yeah to realize it doesn't make you happy because I have a lot of people like my little brother I was telling him trying to like get him I want to pay him to help run my youtube panel i'm like you can make sixty thousand dollars a year blah blah blah he's like oh that's not a lot that's not enough i'm like like dude you could literally not have to work and and be like help me with my youtube yeah dude but i'm trying to get millionaires and it's just like that's not what makes you happy and i'm i'm finding that out like at a young age like i'm

i understand like my ego is motivated by money i love money and i love just this whole fight game is just all about just i feel like i'm learning so much it's hard to hard to explain my brain and i'm still trying to figure out all this everything i'm learning i'm listening to so many podcasts every day reading so many books every day and i can't really explain what my brain but try try to explain what you were your original thought so like you feel like what you're putting out on social media is the ego and what you really are like who you really are is something different well yeah I think just humans

in general we're all at the core we're all just want love and compassion and so you want that from fighting fight like what makes me truly happy is training jiu-jitsu they're training in general eating healthy and being around people I love being around my dogs watering my flowers like that's what makes me happy that's what makes what kind of satisfaction do you get from fighting to show your hard work I love performing ever since I was a little kid i was always trying to perform in front of whoever was around my if we had to get together a family i was always being loud obnoxious trying to perform and do something i love performing like that performing in front

of huge crowds like he was saying the bigger the crowd the more people watching them the better i feel like i perform um yeah i don't know when you start learning about that stuff and take mushrooms it really opens your brain to a whole nother different pathways it certainly changes how you look at yourself I think yeah mushrooms are one of my favorite um things I've ever done I've done mushrooms probably five times and it's it's we're right right after right after a mushroom trip you feel you're so much more you realize everyone's going through shit like everyone is going through something makes you want to be nicer to people makes you want to be kinder yeah just and then like four or five months later you start getting into your animal ways and you're like i need to do mushrooms again yeah

need to reset have you done dmt i have not i'm actually kind of scared to do dmt because i know like that that's what I talk about my ego. Even mushrooms, they attack your ego almost kind of. You know what I mean? Yeah. And we need that right now. And I need that ego to keep – I don't know. You need your ego right now is what you're saying? Yeah.

Connor's ego is huge. Connor, you need to have a big ego. You need to have an ego just to do anything. We are. Connor, you need to have an ego just to do anything. We are. But is it the ego or do you need to have the desire to achieve excellence? Is that always the ego?

Can you do that without the self? Can you do that just as a task, as a goal, and be completely committed and single-minded in your approach to try to achieve excellence? Can you do that without the ego? Can you do it as a can you do it as a task i think so i think you can too but i don't think you build this character that i want to build this person this persona but why do you want to build a persona because you see connor do it no no it's it's it's fun right this is it's the whole fight game is like that it's just fun right. Right. Like, I don't... Plus, you know, if we build the persona, the bigger checks are going to come. Right. Yeah.

Like, I'm not trying to not be me. Like, everything I do is me. Like, I just... I don't know. I enjoy trying to find a happy medium. Like, a happy medium. I'm going to come on this podcast later in life, and I'll explain more in my brain. I'm just learning so much right now, and I just feel like it's overwhelming of course man dude when i was

your age i was a fucking idiot you know you're way ahead of the game it's just a part of life it's you know five years from now you've been like god back then i didn't know shit yeah seriously five years later you'd be like god back then i didn't know shit the more you learn the more you realize you don't know and then we get mad at our parents and stuff like, come on, please listen to me. Eat healthy, like read books.

I'm like, our parents didn't grow up with the internet. Like we're so lucky to be able to learn from you guys. It's just impossible to change people's ways. They have to want to change. They have to be motivated. They have to, it's,

it's so hard to change people. It's like if you've ever had a friend that's been into drugs and it's been all fucked up and you can't get them to quit or an alcoholic it is almost impossible to talk someone into changing they have to have some motivation that's internal yeah and that's the same thing with eating good the best example you could set is by living your life in a healthy way yeah fuck yeah yeah just live it that's one of the best things about the internet you get to see all these people that are doing things in a healthy way and doing things that are exciting and inspirational and it makes you want to do stuff yeah that's good and makes you want to take care of your body and makes you really want to concentrate on your mind and meditate and

just really get everything in order yeah meditation's so awesome it's really helping me every morning i meditate for 10 minutes and i feel like it's helping me throughout the day understand why certain thoughts are coming up whether it's from my childhood traumas or just anything just certain um patterns my um cultural conditioning thought patterns cultural conditioning just meditating has helped me almost kind of slow my brain down and redirect my thoughts if i get angry or something or something happens understanding why i'm getting angry and i think i'm so excited i've been meditating i did it for the terry on where if i did it for the andre fight and i would do it

randomly or in camp i wouldn't do it all and then now i'm doing it i want it to be a part of my life every morning i've been doing it for the last month how long do you do it for 10 minutes 10 minutes every morning and then how do you do it oh I've been listening to Sam Harris guided meditation. There's an app called Headspace that has a bunch of packages that whether it's stress, anxiety, sleep, positive thinking, I just do the guided meditations. I have a little meditation room. I go down there. First thing in the morning, I get up. I put the lemon and the sea salt. I hydrate. I go into my meditation room, push play, sit there 10 minutes, meditate. Then I go outside, water my flowers. My morning routine is my favorite thing. I need to, I wish everyone would have a morning routine

because it's really like, it, I don't know. Sets you up for a good day. It does. I just don't have, I don't, I remember last time I had a bad day. Just morning routine sets me up for a good day. It does. I remember last time I had a bad day. Just morning routine sets me up for a good day. I love it. Yeah, I agree. I agree. In routine, John Donahue wrote some really fascinating piece on his Instagram

about routine, about how important it is if you're a great athlete. You find me a great athlete, I'll find you someone whose life is governed by routine. And that this is the way to check progress. And this is the way to constantly be moving towards your goal. And I remember reading that. And I said to myself, this is something that I've always known, but never verbalized. I've never said it. But it's something that I've always known. Like, yeah, like everybody who's really good. I remember I read a Sports Illustrated article a long time ago about, who's that fucking track and field guy who won the Olympics a bunch of times?

His name was something Moses. I forget his name. Let's see if you can find this guy's name. It was something, but he was like an elite track and field guy. And what's that? Edwin Moses. Edwin Moses. He was a beast. And just super, super disciplined.

And I remember he had like this routine where he had his notebook and he would lay his notebook out and write down all of his different routines. And he had this like mat that he would lay down. He would do his stretching routines and all this stuff. And I remember thinking, like, oh, this guy, this is his thing. He does this all the time.

He just gets there, he locks in, and he does this. And this was many, many years ago. I might have even still been fighting when this was going on. So I remember thinking about it, going, okay, like, this kind of, this is like what elite performers do when they're at the Olympics. Track and field is so fucking boring. You're doing the same shit.

You're just running. You have to have a mind that's made out of steel to be able to do that same stupid shit every day to try to get an extra tenth of a second here or an eighth of a second there. Fuck all that, right? But I remember thinking it was at the same time horrifying to me that someone would ever want to do the same stupid shit over and over again

until they won a gold medal, but at the same time massively impressive that this guy had this kind of iron will. There it is. Every time Edwin Moses placed his feet on the blocks from 1977 to 1987, he won. Moses, arguably the best hurdler ever, won 122 races, including 107 consecutive finals, and set world records in the 400-meter hurdles four times within that 10-year span. His journey to this untouchable level was marked by personal innovation and determination, proving that elite coaching and state-of-the-art facilities

are not required for supreme athletic success. And there was, I believe it was Sports Illustrated that had an article about this guy. And I remember just seeing how motivated I was, seeing him stretching and working out and going over his routine. And I was thinking to myself, like I would think about it every time I worked out, like what would Moses do how would yeah how would Moses like I gotta start

writing shit down I gotta start really thinking about everything I do and I gotta start putting it together on a daily basis like he does that's what Robert Falls's favorite formula you'd always say is consistency over time equals results it was a favorite formula and I got it tattooed on there. And it's funny because like once you get good at one thing, you realize like, fuck, I could get good at anything. I know what it takes is fucking consistency.

Dude, that's Miyamoto Musashi. He wrote that in the book of five rings. Once you understand the way broadly, you will see it in all things. Sweet. Fucking sweet. Yeah.

And that's a dude who fought people with a fucking sword. Oh God. That's this guy. That's him. That's him. sweet fucking sweet yeah and that's a dude who fought people with a fucking sword oh god that's this guy that's him that's that's yeah well i read that book when i was like 15 or 16 or something like that and he wrote it in the 1600s man holy yeah maybe it was the 1400s i think it was the 1400s now that i think about it. Fuck. Yeah. Yeah, he killed six. That's what the number six was. He killed 60 people in one-on-one sword fights. Killed?

Killed. Whew. Imagine your mindset going into one of them. Yeah. Well, he was a master at that. Well, his thing was so fascinating. And I always recommend the Book of Five Rings for Fighters because one of the things that's so crazy about it is his thing was balance, is that

you should be an artist. You should be a poet. You should be like, you should understand how to write calligraphy, like that all these things are connected. You have to be in complete control of your mind. You have to be in complete control of your emotions. You have to have complete control of artistic expression. And that this was

like the way to be a balanced sword fighter like his whole thing was that you can't have any bullshit in your game like as a human being you can't have any bullshit because when you're dealing with one-on-one steel fucking swords whizzing through the air by trained murderers i mean he was the best at it and one of the reasons why he was the best at it was this strict adherence to this samurai way, that he was not just a warrior, that to be a great warrior, you also had to be great at all these other things. You had to have a balanced perspective. You couldn't be a meathead, right?

You couldn't bite down your mouthpiece and let the chips fall where they may. That shit doesn't work with sword fighting son that's like dude just like you said about with gsp like he's almost too smart like you're like he's so he's too smart and sometimes in fighting just like the dumb meatheads go to a certain level but just like he said when you're real smart you can go to a whole new level yeah there's there's a benefit to being a meathead up to a certain point yeah especially if you can take a punch like chris lieben yeah he was a savage but there's a perfect example when he met anderson silva anderson was like not today son not today welcome to the next level welcome to several levels you know and that was brilliant matchmaking, by the way, by Joel Silva.

When they introduced Anderson, I was a giant Anderson fan before he fought. Because I was watching him in pride where he was fighting well. But then I knew he was better than that. He was going through a lot of bullshit. And that's when he was with Muay Thai Dream Team. And I think he had already left Shoot the Box at one point in time. But then he went over and fought in Cage Rage. He fought in England.

And when he fought in England, I was like, holy shit. When you got to see when he fought George Rivera, when he fought Lee Murray, you got to see how goddamn good Anderson really was when he was in his prime. So when he came into the UFC, he was already in his 30s. Yeah. You know, in his first fight with Lieben, I want to say he was like 32, 33, something like that. Yeah. That's sweet.

And he lit Chris Lieben on fire. Fuck. And I remember watching, and I was saying this, I'm like, this is the perfect opponent for Anderson. Because Lieben's an animal. He's a fucking warrior. He's going to bite down on his mouthpiece and come swinging. And Anderson is going to be 15 steps ahead of him, dissecting him in different angles and degrees. And as he comes forward, he's just catching him.

Bank, bank, stepping over here, pop, whap. And then it was over. It was like real quick, and that was the world's introduction to Anderson Silva. Fucking crazy. He was a man. Mind if I take a whiz, boys? Yeah, please, go ahead. Yeah, dude, Anderson in his prime, man, was something special.

He had achieved that state, you know, this elusive state of total flow, and he had achieved that against some of the best fighters in the world. You know, when you see him when he was at his very best, and I just feel very fortunate to have been there to watch some of those fights. I think Fedor in pride was probably it's like him and anderson those are the two all-time greats of that era right and then mighty mouse who's the all-time

great of this era he's a man but what what was so phenomenal about anderson was that you would just watch him hit that flow state you know he would he would size guys up too you would see him move around he would start moving around he would test you would see him move around. He would start moving around. He would test you a little bit, move around. Yeah, he would give you a minute or two. And you'd be like, man, I feel pretty good. I'm doing pretty good in this fight. And then all of a sudden, you start opening up on him.

You'd be like, oh, shit, here it comes. Here it comes. Just so in the now, just reacting. You could tell he was reacting. Yep. Wasn't thinking too much. Well, when he set Vitor up with that front kick, fucking God damn. Nasty.

Nasty. Nasty. But he just caught something that Vitor was doing. Vitor would fight squared up. We were talking about that earlier. He always fought sort of squared up because he would blitz guys, and he always wanted to be able to sprawl and shoot and take you down. So he had a very squared up style, which made him open here and open here.

Keep kicks. Yeah. My favorite. Yeah. Well, remember when he fought Jon Jones? Jon dropped him with a front leg sidekick to the body. I don't know if you remember that. I don't.

Yeah. Jon recognized that Vitor was standing square as well. And Jon hit him with a front leg sidekick right to the solar plexus and dropped him. Fuck. And then Vitor caught Jon with an arm bar. Ooh. Remember that? Remember that? That was nasty. Super hyper extended his arm. That's where I knew John was something special. Well, I knew

before, but that's when, in that fight, I was like, Jesus, this guy is not giving up. His arm is fucked up here. That was gnarly, dude. Yeah. God, I wish he was fighting soon. I was squealing. And Vitor didn't let it go, man. I mean, or he let it go, man. Or he let it go, rather. He didn't hold on to it. John got out of it. It's crazy. When's he gonna fight again, you think?

John? I hope soon. Who was kicking Alistair over him straight down the middle? They were talking about his square stance and they knew that would be open. Knocked out Alistair with those front kicks in the UFC. Travis Brown knocked him out. I remember Greg Jackson talking about that. That was after Travis got back from being fucking badly hurt in that fight.

You remember that? I mean, Travis was battered in that fight. His body was getting fucked up. Alistair was blasting him in the body with knees. Travis was almost out of it and just gutted it out. I still, to this day, feel like he somehow or another missed his path. I feel like Travis, when he was on, when he knocked out Stefan Struve, when you see – he used to fight different, man.

Didn't he switch gyms? Yeah, switch gyms. When he was with Jacksons, he was moving around a lot. He was light on his feet for whatever reason, man. He was moving around a lot. He was light on his feet. For whatever reason, man, he decided to switch gyms and became more boxer style, flat footed. But I also think sometimes guys get to the point where they just don't want to do it anymore.

Or if they do want to do it, they don't want to do it like they used to want to do it. They kind of want to do it. Maybe they kind of want a payday. Or maybe they just want to win so they feel better again. And then they'll pump themselves up again. And maybe I just get this one win. I'll get back on track. But that weird space of not knowing, am I a warrior? Am I looking to get out?

Am I looking to the future? That weird space is the worst place. It is. It's the worst place. Fighting's just so fucking tough, too. You don't know what's going on. They could have ate something they could have thought about puking the whole night yeah there's just so much injured yeah could have girlfriend problems could have family problems you know i mean but i feel like travis at his best there was moments in his career where i was like

this guy i used to call him the dark horse i was like that guy's the dark horse of the heavyweight division he might be the champ one day. People are sleeping on him. But the movement that guy had for a fucking heavyweight, he would see him switching stances and almost like TJ style movement. For a fucking giant dude, man. Man, those deer legs when they got going though, huh? Yeah, that was probably too.

Fuckers would wobble. Well, that fight with Arlovsky, that was probably when I was convinced that maybe the best times have passed him. Because just, first of all, I guess him and Arlovsky sparred a lot at Jackson's. And Arlovsky, although he's had a lot of wars and had a lot of losses and been stopped a lot of times, you've got to remember at one point in time, Arlovsky was a real world-class fighter, a heavyweight champion who everybody was terrified of. When he knocked out Paul Buentello back in those days, man, he had a piston of a right hand, just boom, just throw it straight down the middle.

And he was still a skillful guy, so apparently in sparring he would get the best of Travis. So when they got together, he had serious confidence in that fight. That was a slobber knocker. Do you remember that fight? I don't. One round of full chaos. Both guys got dropped. It was one of the craziest one-round heavyweight fights of all time.

And Arlovsky wound up stomping him. It's so hard to pick those heavyweight fights. It's hard to pick any fight. Whoever lands first, you never know. Yeah. I hate heavyweight. Who do you think is going to win? It's like, fuck. Who the fuck? Whoever lands first, you never know. Yeah. I hate heavyweight. Who do you think is going to win? It's like, fuck.

Who the fuck knows? I don't know. Yeah. Seriously. What do you guys think of this Colby Covington RDA fight this weekend? I'm jacked for that. Jacked for that. I hope RDA busts him up.

Well, Colby's doing what you said you wanted to do. No, no, yeah, yeah. Exactly. Talking a lot of shit and getting a lot of people paying attention. I'm still being, I feel like he's doing, I don't know. He's doing what he's doing. It's cool. People are paying attention. Yeah, for sure sure he beat maya which is a huge accomplishment right maya still an absolutely world-class fighter but other than that really hasn't beaten big name guys and he's fighting for the interim title you gotta think that a lot of

that is because he's been very smart with promotion hell yeah dude oh yeah man that's good fuck that's good. Fuck. That's going to be a good fight. What do you have? What do you have in New Jersey for that? I don't have anybody, man. I'm in that same what we just said. Who the fuck knows?

Yeah, that's the thing. I like the matchup, though. Because Colby, first of all, Colby's not making 155 unless he cuts a fucking leg off. He's a bigger guy. RDA was the 155-pound champion. So you have to think Colby's going to have a size advantage. Colby's a very good wrestler he's relentless and he managed to do something that very few people been able to do with maya where he just overwhelmed him beat him up beat him up standing controlled where the fight

took place won a clear-cut decision did it in brazil and did it after woodley did it and did it arguably better than woodley did it you know he was on top of Maya. It wasn't avoiding him in the way that Woodley did, but Woodley was injured in that fight. He hurt his shoulder like in the first round. But it was an impressive performance. I mean, if you go back and watch what Maya was able to do with like Rick Story, what Maya's been able to do with Matt Brown, Maya's a fucking monster.

When he gets a hold of you, it's such next-level jiu-jitsu. And Kobe was really never in trouble in that fight. So you have to look at that and you go, okay, well, obviously he has fantastic defense, solid wrestling base, can strike on the feet, and knows how to fight a grimy, nasty fight. And he's the bigger guy. But then you look at RDADA and RDA at lightweight was a fucking mauler. Was just murking people. But then you look

at him at welterweight and you're like, Jesus he might be better at welterweight. Look how good he looked against Neil Magny. Everybody struggles with Neil Magny. He smashed Neil Magny. Took him down leg kicked him, dropped him, get on top of him strangle him. I mean he beat the shit out of Robbie Lawler.

That Robbie Lawler fight was crazy. Like, he just overwhelmed one of the best strikers in the welterweight division. Overwhelmed him from the outside with angles and technique. Fuck, dude. So, it's interesting, man. It's very, very interesting. It's very interesting. I'm so mad Artie and Conor never fought. I know.

I was so jacked for that. I know. That was one of the most exciting. I was so excited for that fight. He broke his fucking foot, man. You know who's going to be a problem for a lot of people is that Gregor Gillespie. Oh, yeah. Fucking dude.

Oh, yeah. Super tight boxing. Four-time All-American, one-time national champ, sugar. Tougher than shit. No holds. Was he fighting this past weekend? Yeah, I was there. Fuck, dude.

Motherfucker's getting better. What weight's that? He's getting better. 55. Yeah, he's getting better. He's a beast. Yeah, dude. Motherfucker's getting better. What weight's that? He's getting better. 55. Yeah, he's getting better. He's a beast. Yeah, dude. He's relentless.

He's a beast. Yeah, he's fucking real solid. Real solid and he's got that look, you know, just super focused and tense. You know, there's just so much talent right now in MMA. It's just such a great time. It's growing fast, too. I was watching the little kids at the lab train. I'm like, holy.

Yeah, you'll see little kids hitting flying armbars and shit. Benson Henderson's son is going to be an animal. How old is he? What is he, two? Two, three? He's throwing hooks, smiling, shooting double eggs.

That's crazy. I don't know. Imagine developing that way as a little kid just from the time you're little your body's developing throwing punches and kicks and then having Benson as your dad teaching your mentality your whole life

fuck man put Benson to sleep and shave his head his fucking hair's always getting in the way shave his head just put him under Just put him under Wake up with a shaved head

Oh god Come on man I know it's kind of your look But get the fuck out of here with that He's always doing this I cornered my hair last fight Yeah I know For that reason

I was like Shit gets in the way It does And constantly doing that I mean Yeah Look what Rose did She's like fuck it

She said fuck it Fuck it I'm gonna shave my. She's like, fuck it. She said, fuck it. Fuck it. I'm going to shave my head. She's a beast. She's gorgeous too. She is. She really, and she doesn't play it up at all.

No. Which is hot. Yeah. She's cool. Super honest. It's going to be interesting who we get for Sugar next because it's probably going to be

a five rounder. Well, no, what I was thinking because originally after that last fight, okay, after that last fight

when we went to the hospital, I remember the post fight conference Dana White's's like uh they said john's fight foot's fine because at the hospital they said there was nothing wrong with my foot um and danis like said that so i was thinking like oh okay i guess nothing's wrong with my foot i guess i'm gonna fight because they x-rayed it with my foot up not against not flat on the surface um so i was we're gonna fight july 6th. I was going to headline that card. Adesanya? Israel Adesanya. He's headlining that card.

Stylebender. I was supposed to headline that card, and I was so excited for that because they wanted me to headline it. But I think next fight is going to be October 6th in Vegas. It's a pay-per-view. Hopefully get on that card. But then after that, I would like to headline my own. Oh, sweet. So I'd like to fight two more times by the end of the year healings everything's going good so i think october 6th and then maybe november december

so how do you decide when you're ready to go full blast again with your foot just about how it feels yeah do you go to a doctor and get it looked at again get an mri make sure everything's back in place i got an x-ray last time, and they said everything looks good. Come back in four weeks, and we'll clear you. But I'm really just not going to listen to – I know how my foot feels. There's days where it's really sore, and there's days I'm like, dude, it's good. But I know it's just – I feel like, like I said, about 80%, 85%. And you felt okay today, moving around?

Felt good today. It was sore. We hit mitts yesterday, and I lifted yesterday, so it was a little bit sore. But it's like a sore from not using it, not like a sore from, oh, shit. Injury, right. So I think it's been healing awesome. I think I've been doing everything right. So I would say three, four more weeks, I'll be ready to go 100%.

Did you see the Marlon Marais fight? I did. I seen the highlight of it, so pretty much the whole fight. It was a 34-second fight. Was it 34 seconds? It was tight, wasn't it? Dude. That was a beautiful switch kick. You don't see those switch kicks

that much just because they're so, like the person has to be coming forward. The distance in MMA is so much different than kickboxing and stuff. Those switch kicks

aren't that great, but man, that kid's fucking lightning. He's a bad motherfucker. How tall is he? He's short. 5'5", I think. Yeah, something like that.

He wouldn't be able to touch. Is Jimmy Rivera, what is he, a little shorter than he? He's short. 5'5", I think. Yeah, something like that. He wouldn't be able to touch sugar. Is Jimmy Rivera, what is he, a little shorter than him? They're both around 5'5", 5'6", in that range. I'm going to give all these dudes trouble. I'm just going to be so long. They can't train for you. That's the problem. Yeah.

They can't train for you because there's not many people who can switch it up. I love how I'm going into all my fights. They're so confident. Just because I feel like you can watch me on TV. You can see, oh, he's fast. He does this, does that. But until I'm in front of you and I'm doing it, I feel like it's another level of speed that they're not prepared for.

And I truly believe that. And I truly, every fight, like going into that last fight, I was 100% confident I was going to knock him out. I didn't knock him out. But if I had a couple more seconds in that first round. And you're so skinny and goofy looking. People in public, dude, dude. People in public fuck with Sugar.

Eyeball him like. Today. Remember that guy? Dude, at our apartment, we had our first apartment. There was this big jack guy with a wife beater. And we're like, oh, we're both professional fighters. He's like, that kid's a professional fighter? He's like, I want to be a professional fighter i'm like well you come spar sugar at

the time i was working at the ufc gym i got a key he's like all right i'll be there fucking little jackass wife beater i'm like okay perfect so sugar comes out i knew i wasn't gonna try to keep kicks him right in the way in the ring and i'm recording it and the guy goes oh so sugar's punching him and stuff big kick right to the guts. Boom. Poop the hell out of his pants. He pooped his pants. He shit himself in the ring. But I wasn't hitting him in the head hard.

I was conscious of I'm not trying to hurt this guy. Did he train at all or was he never sparred before? He was a fighter. So he never sparred before? I wasn't busting him up good. Jack prison guy looked hard, thought he ran the apartment. He was our boy after. We were boys after. Yeah.

And I wasn't being a bully we was like you want to like you sure yeah yeah oh yeah and it wasn't i didn't hurt him i did hit him with a hard body kick and he shit himself but i wasn't i wasn't being a bully after that no not at all he pooped in the ring though and they smeared it all around so who smeared it all around we stepped on it they didn't know we didn't know we thought it was a dog fuck oh we thought it was a dog we didn't tell anybody that he shit himself? No. And I told him.

I was like, dude, Tony, you shit yourself. He denied it. He's like, no, that wasn't me. But I had it on my phone. Yeah, he had it on his phone. You could watch the poop roll out of his shorts. And then the boys smeared it around. How'd you clean it up?

He did. He fucking mopped it. He did. But dude, it's funny. In public, people always eyeball sugar. Like He did. But dude, it's funny. Like in public, people always eyeball sugar like, what little bitch? It's funny. Oh, people are gross.

Yeah, there's a lot of people out there trying to chest puff. I know. It sucks. And I just think, well, fuck. Whatever. Keep it moving. Yeah. Take care, folks.

Bye-bye. Yeah. Yeah. Stay out of trouble, man. You got a bright future. Thank you. Yeah. I feel like I'm staying out of trouble. man. You got a bright future. Thank you. Yeah. I feel like I'm staying out of trouble.

No. I feel like you are, too. Sometimes trouble gets in your way, though. Vegas is trouble. Vegas is. I went. I've been there a few times. My last time I was there, I went to a pool party. And it was dangerously fun.

I was like, oh, shit. I can't live here. I can't. Fuck. I wanted to. I had one of the best times. You can't live here. I can't fuck. I wanted to. I had one of the best times of my life. You wanted to live there? Oh, got a little buzzed up.

Just women everywhere, drinking, dancing. I'm like, this is too much. What do you think? Should we take a couple rips? Right now? Okay. I actually got some Sugar Show OG. Oh, you got it on you?

Yeah. So this is going to be for sale next Tuesday. Is that what your shirt is? Yeah. Who's making you a... Atrium out in California. I met these guys. So I met these guys in Fresno, California.

We were there for our buddy Hot Sauce's fight. I posted on Instagram. I said, hey, does anyone have some weed I could get? These guys messaged me. They came to me, had like a beautiful little setup with some weed in it, some cartridges. And I was like, damn, these guys are a good company. And they're kind of beginning to. And they're super passionate about wanting to get into the industry.

So they made this. The industry meaning the MMA industry? No, just like cannabis industry. They have six. I think they won six awards in the High Times this year. They're amazing. I got you some of this food. Let me tell you something about high times awards.

Let's hear it. Because I was a judge at one of the cannabis cups. Nobody knows what the fuck they're judging. Everybody's high out of their mind. This is what they did the day that I judged. They gave me, you ever see one of them pill boxes that people get where it's like Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, and each one is like you know yeah um each one of those had like a little label on it and each one of them was like you know this is like fucking superstar oh gee this is death crack this is

i didn't know what the fuck i was smoking by the time i was on the third one. I was on another planet, man. I mean, it's weird. Like I'd separated the membrane between this dimension and the next, and I was like pushed through. Trying to act normal. Just trying to be free. Nobody was acting normal, man. It was real weird. I'll never forget the conversations that I was having with some of these people.

That is fucking odd. Here's your own little joint. Oh, thank you this stuff's a cross between lemon head and og92 it's it's very it's good the lemon but you know like in this day and age man i feel like everybody's weed is good yeah i can't remember when was the last time i found bad weed yeah this doesn't exist anymore. Seriously. Give me a little ashtray. Ashtray. There should be one laying here. Oh, it's right over there. Right over there. Oh, perfect.

Yeah, seriously. In this day and age, who the fuck has bad weed? It's like, it's everywhere. Even, you go all the way to New York. New York is still illegal. It's so strange. New York is? Yeah, my friend Ari lives in New York.

He's like, you can get arrested if you smoke it on the street. Dude, we were supposed to go to Singapore, but now they're not sending us there. UFC, I was going to go to Singapore for the Singapore card, or Singapore. I keep getting made fun of for saying it wrong. Singapore. Sorry, Jamie. They said that you can get tested randomly off the street for weed, and you can go to prison. What?

So UFC decided not to send me. Wait a minute. Who randomly tests you? I don't know. My manager called me and he said, hey, UFC had a little meeting. They said they decided not to bring, they don't really want you to go down there. You can get tested randomly and go to prison if you test for weed. Whoa.

I guess we're not going. But here's the reality. That means that literally like 70% of the UFC fucking roster could get tested for weed. Yeah, for sure. All the coaches. But we're going to Canada. Isn't that funny, man? That's the thing about the misconception about marijuana.

You know, people think like, oh, stoners are lazy. A giant percentage of the UFC roster smokes pot on a fairly regular basis. I think, I mean, even NFL. I think just in sports in general yeah look i mean especially if you got injuries and you want to relax and cbd just cbd alone i mean god damn fucking everybody should use that i have a buddy of mine my friend aaron and he was taking ibuprofen he was taking it all the time i go man you gotta listen to me stop taking that shit i go just get some get some CBD and just take it orally and then also rub it on whatever's bothering you.

And he did it. And he's like, dude, 11 days, no pain. He goes, I can't believe I've been taking this fucking ibuprofen forever. Now he's just taking CBD oil. That's crazy. Nothing negative. Doesn't fuck your gut bacteria up. Doesn't ruin your body.

Doesn't get you high. Doesn't do anything bad. Rhonda goes off about ibuprofen, doesn't ruin your body, doesn't get you high, doesn't do anything bad. Rhonda goes off about ibuprofen, doesn't she? Rhonda Patrick. She was telling me how bad it is for your gut bacteria. Seriously. Gut bacteria, I feel like is one of the most important things that people just don't really know

about. Probiotics. If I can tell, if I have enough probiotics for the day, I can tell. My gut health feels way better than if I don't. I love kombucha. You love kombucha? I love it. I drink it every day.

Kombucha is amazing. Do you try that new watermelon flavor, the GTS kind? No. I mostly have either the really green one or the gingerade or the original. Those are the three ones that I like the best. Trilogy's good, too. I like that one, too. Sometimes I like the grape.

The grapes had a little bit too much sugar in it it's sweet but still super super good for your body yeah probiotics so my friend Cameron Haynes is an ultra marathon runner and he was heavily hooked on ibuprofen he was taking 800mg a day

sometimes more than once a day and I did the podcast with Rhonda and Dr. Rhonda Patrick He was taking 800 milligrams a day, sometimes more than once a day. And I did the podcast with Rhonda and Dr. Rhonda Patrick was going over all the dangers of non-steroidal anti-inflammatories and ibuprofen, talking about the increased risks of strokes and all these different things. And I called him up. I go, dude, you got to get off that shit right now. I go, that stuff's terrible for you.

So here's where it gets crazy. He gets off of it and all of his pain goes away. So the reason why he was taking it was because he was in pain. I'm good. Shit, seriously? And for him at least, the inflammation that it was causing him, probably because he was taking too much as well. You know, a lot of people think like, hey, it says take two, I'll take six. I'm a beast.

Fuck it. Right. And when you do that, you're torching your fucking gut bacteria. So he's creating all this internal inflammation, which is in turn leading to all this pain, which is in turn making him want to take ibuprofen. Damn. Yeah. Dude, and that's why, like, lucky to have friends that want to help each other like that.

Mandatory drug testing. In Singapore, you can be dragged into custody without a warrant and be compelled to submit to drug testing by Singapore authorities. As Singaporean drug counselor and ex detainee, Tony Tan explains penalties for the first time you're caught or for drug consumption are is one year. The second time is three years. And the third time is five minimum with three strokes of the cane, says Tan.

Consumption just means that your urine has tested positive. We'd be heading to the slammer. Yeah, I ain't trying to go there. Dude, I am not trying to go there. I was not pumped for the flight. I've never been on a long flight. I was not pumped for that. I was pumped to go and check it out.

I've never been out of the country. But here's a weird one with that. How many weeks out are we talking about? Like consumption. You mean if you test anything the article says that there's a lot of uh singaporeans that try to take drug trips and they get caught when they come back because it's still in their system poor guys 50 people a year so 50 people a year do a year a year in jail for drugs almost ecstasy anything it's not just weed oh Oh, my God. Oh, my God. That's terrifying.

Damn it. That's scary. We're dealing... I mean, this is human beings, 2018. So you can live like we live here in California, where weed is legal. And if you're a grown adult, just like you could buy a drink, you could buy a joint, which it should be. It should have been a long time ago.

And then there's places where they just put you in a cage. North Korea. Yeah, dude. That shit is insane to think about. Because they can't, do they even, they don't even have

like smartphones or that stuff, right? They don't have internet? I don't know what they have. I think they have some sort of a small internet that only uses like North Korea channels

and shit like that. I don't think they get the regular internet. No way. They're living there today. Yeah, dude. They're living today under the grip of a dictator. It's so easy for us to bitch about random stuff being here, but we're so lucky.

Yeah. How about the fact that the Korean guy runs it is friends with Dennis Rodman? I know. I was talking to my little brother about that the other day. I was like, are you serious? Yeah, man. He's friends with Dennis Rodman. I'm like, what the hell? How fucking... Dennis texted real quick. see if he texts back.

That is fucking crazy. That is fucking crazy. Dennis parties with that dude. He parties with him. Like, has he been to North Korea? Oh, yeah. I think more than once. Is that in the...

Is that... Do they make... What was that movie they make fun of in North Korea? The Interview. The Interview. Was Dennis Rodman in that, too, or no? No. Oh.

That movie seems like a big risk No I know I was thinking that too We probably shouldn't talk about that movie Well aren't they Aren't they all having a meeting here soon? Donald and the Korean leaders I think they were supposed to meet in Singapore And people were talking about

How dangerous it was to meet in Singapore Dennis Rodman will be in Singapore During Trump King Summit. Dude, sugar, we got to get in on that party. This is five hours ago? Oh, so they are going to Singapore. See, there's some people

that were saying they shouldn't do it in Singapore because Singapore has such a horrible human rights record. Damn. So some shit could be going down. Yeah, I don't see...

If Singapore really does lock you up like that just for pot, like that is... That is some... Not somewhere you want to have a meeting with like that, but that doesn't make any sense. Like that's an illogical government. That's these people are running under the grip of their, their living.

There's like, they're afraid of lies, right? Like they're, what are they afraid of with this marijuana? I mean, what do they think it's going to do? What do they,

what are they afraid of with people taking drugs? Open people's mind, like, a little bit. Well, the fact that they think that they, and they've made it so, that they can just lock you up in a cage if you do something with your body that they don't want you to do. Damn. That's wild, dude. Because they've decided that this is some sort of a bizarre form of dictatorship that

they can get away with. Seriously. Fuck, man. That is nuts that that's happening while we're living here this way. Chilling. Trump, Kim, Singapore summit venue is set. Trump. Who the fuck would want to be the president?

Well, who would want to be the president when you're already a billionaire? Dude. That sounds so stressful. Imagine the sit-in on that meeting. Waking up and be like, fuck my life. You know, the crazy thing is this dude has always been this way. And everybody's shocked that he's this way now that he's the president. Right.

And it's not just that they're shocked. It's just like it is shocking. Like this Philadelphia Eagles thing. Like not enough of them wanted to come to the White House. So he canceled the meeting and said that they wouldn't kneel. They didn't kneel for the national anthem. And so then they find out that, no, those fucking guys, none of them kneeled for the national anthem. They all stood.

Damn. So he wrote, Trump said something along the lines of, I fucked it up. He said something along the lines of that some of them didn't stand for the national anthem. But it turns out it was only one guy that kneeled, and the one guy that kneeled was cut before the regular season. So during the regular season, everybody was standing for the national anthem. So he said something that wasn't even true. He just didn't want a small crowd of dudes.

He didn't want like three dudes that are like second stringers. Like, hey, Donald. It's fucking party. The kickers. The backup kickers. You can tell we're all high because our mouths are all dry. I know, right? So the mayor of Philadelphia or the governor of Pennsylvania, which one was it? Was it the mayor of Philadelphia?

Somebody went after him. And he said what a fragile eagle he has. He couldn't deal with not having a party. Not enough people. Having a party that people didn't want to go to. Damn. It's just that that's that that kind of shit is like part of him the showman like that's the act that trump the showman has been involved in his whole life right it's like everything he does is the best and

pumping everything up and we expect differently now that he's the president and that's where it's it's all so strange because this is just kind of people are really angry at it because he's the president. And that's where it's, it's also strange because this is just kind of, people are really angry at it because he's doing it as the president, but this is like what he's always done. He's like a branding genius. It's weird because we're seeing it as a president and we're like, this is not what you're supposed to do. You're not supposed to like bend the truth as the president,

but like that bending of the truth in his, in his eyes is always how he lived. He was the Trump guy. He's the fucking guy. Now he runs eyes is always how he lived he was the trump guy he's the fucking guy now he runs we're in the apprentice now he runs the country that's insane fucking i never followed politics ever and i have no idea about i bet if he in any way thought it was going to be like this he would never signed up for it that's what i think you think so yeah man not going the way you think don't you think he would bitch about it though like yeah he would bitch about it but that's part of his thing, man.

The crazy thing is there was no one on the Republican side that was capable of challenging him. That's the problem. The problem was that they didn't have anybody. And so all of a sudden, this guy's in there. And he's in there. He's probably thinking he's going to lose. And then, you know, he likes to win at shit. So he's like, yeah, fuck it. I'm just going to be president. And the next thing you know, he is the president,

but he's still the same guy, man. He's still the guy from The Apprentice. And that's not his fault. That's who he is. It's who he is. Like to ask a guy to change that much at 70 is crazy. I think the best thing about it is it highlights how ridiculous this whole process is. And the idea of having one person run 300 million people, that's insane. And you pick that person. It's insane. And we don't even know what we're doing. Are we even picking?

Well, we don't even know what we're doing. How much of what the bills are about and all these amendments, how much of any of that shit do you pay attention to when Congress is in session or the Senate rules on things? How much do we pay attention? How much does everybody pay attention? How much do you even know what someone's actual real policies are? At least their stated policies when you're voting for them. What is it, like 10% people?

Seriously. You know, like you hear who you're supposed to vote for. You know, vote for Hillary Clinton because Donald Trump's a bad person.'re supposed to vote for you know vote for hillary clinton because donald trump's a bad person you know vote for hillary clinton she's the most qualified for the job you're like okay yeah that sounds about right people like you are voting for hillary clinton aren't you she's the most qualified for the job you're like okay yeah i want to be a good person so i'm gonna vote for hillary what about jill stein you know jill stein's a woman too you know jill stein is brilliant you know Jill Stein is okay shit

I'm gonna go progressive yeah but her stance I'll go Jill Stein yeah and then there was Elizabeth Warren might have lied about being part

American Indian that was a problem oh my god so it's like like who's gonna go it's Bernie Sanders and then all that shit

him and Hillary Clinton it's that the whole story is so bizarre like watching it all play out on TV it's so strange it's that the whole story is so bizarre. Like watching it all play out on TV, it's so strange. It's so strange that this is our form of government. Like you would think, this is my thought. You would think with the kind of things, the organism that is a human being,

the kind of thing that could figure out a way to make sound, go through a metal thing covered in foam, goes through wires, and in real time hits people in their ears. If they're streaming, they could have headphones on, be on the train right now, and they're getting this in real time. That we can send video through the sky, and it can hit Australia. Your friends can text you pictures back and forth from Africa. They could be in Africa

and dude, I just saw a leopard. And they send you a fucking photo and you're like, holy shit. It's flying through the sky! And yet, the best way we can figure out who's in control of the nuclear weapons is to have a popularity contest. Put Donald in there.

People are crazy. We're the craziest thing. We're in this wave of being evolved and not being evolved at the same time. Technologically, spectacularly evolved to the point where we can bend matter and create nuclear weapons and fly robots to

Mars and take pictures and send them back to us. The shit that we can do is off the charts when it comes to Mars and take pictures and send them back to us. Like the shit that we could do is off the charts when it comes to like technology and our ability to manipulate the world around us and create giant buildings and structures and airplanes and bridges and shit. But the monkey interaction thing is still not very good. So we still have war. We still have places where we send people over with metal tanks and guns and shoot people

and protect people from the other people that are shooting people and get involved in all these fucking crazy things. Our physical interactions as organisms are just still in this barbaric stage. We're still in this one tribe going after another tribe stage from 20,000 years ago, 30,000 years ago. Why? It's like the same programming. But now this programming can fly jets filled with missiles and shoot them out of the sky

and sneak up on you underwater in a metal tube, a submarine that shoots fucking nuclear missiles and shit underwater. I mean, we're in the weirdest flux. We're in this weird sort of unbalanced period in the evolution of the human organism. Because we can do so much. And then put Donald in charge. Yeah, and then we're mad about fucking everything. We're mad about men who decide they're women who want to use the girls' room.

We're mad about everything. We're mad about religion. We're mad about rights and gender and everything. Everything we're mad. Everyone and gender and everything everything we're mad everyone's mad fuck Roseanne Barr everyone's mad everyone is so mad and while all this is all this weird personal interaction shit is happening that's distracting the fuck out of us the more it ramps up the the better AI gets artificial artificial intelligence because it just keep working on it.

They keep getting better and better. We're going to be in a full-on rock fight when AI goes live. It's like we're falling into this whole... If this was a trap, if I was artificial intelligence and I knew I'd be like, well, here's what we'll do.

We'll just go back in time and set people up and make them make us. We'll just plant this idea in their heads and just like an aquatic worm makes a caterpillar or one of those grasshoppers rather jump into a pool and drown itself so that it can swim out of its brain. You ever see one of those things happen? Just like that, AI is doing that with us.

They give us shiny Samsung Galaxy Note 9. Look at how big the battery is. And now it takes photos of your face. It knows your face. Face ID. You can tell your face. Yeah, face ID and fingerprints. And before you know it, listen, we found the best way to get a signal, to talk to people.

You just stick it in your ass. It's a little pellet. We're going to put a little robot dick in our ass. But that pellet, if you could just hold it in your ass, it's smooth, dude. You barely know it's in there. But it connects with your ass is open. It's not like the rest of your skin. You're not going to keep it in your mouth, right?

Well, the ass is the way to go because it's like open. It's not like you don't have to go through the dermis. And so it just connects with you and you can fucking see augmented reality with a little tiny robot dick. It's about that big. You barely feel it. It's like a BBb that's what's gonna happen dude fucking probably right dude these things are growing well now the anti-aging shit too who knows how crazy that's gonna get i think what the weirdest thing is not the anti-aging i think we're gonna run into biological limitations i think the weirdest shit is gene editing. Fuck. Yeah.

This podcast took a turn for the stoner. Gene editing. We're like, fuck. Gene editing scares the shit out of me. Was that unexplained? Unexplained,

that new Netflix show, Gene Editing? Perhaps. I didn't see that. How deep that shit's gonna get? What about Wild Wild Country? I only watched the first episode, but I was like,

holy shit, I see where this is going. I've watched the first and the second. You need to follow Osho, baby. Osho. Fuck everyone. Oh, my God. Osho is the man.

Dude. As far as second season, I don't know. It might happen. It takes a turn, but he still had good intentions, I think. God, trying to build a community. I'm just passionate about it. Well, this is, again, this is the thing. It's the fucking human interaction part is the part that we can't get right.

It's real weird. It is. If you look at all the different kinds of interactions that we've managed to successfully navigate, I mean, people obviously have problems in business, and there's lawsuits in business, and there's people that get fired, and there's all sorts of problems with people doing business. But overall, they get a lot of things done, right? Like business keeps improving things keep getting better we barely improve with how we treat each other like the way human beings

treat each other we barely get better at that and we do react to things better like if we're mad at someone for doing something that's where we're like more clear with like egregious violations of our code right like racism like this roseanne thing was a big one right everybody was like no fucking way we're not tolerating that fuck her and then abc's like yep fuck it we're pulling the plug on the show it's like like immediate reactions yeah so it's like what i what i'm i don't think it was right i think she's got a lot of problems and she's taking a shitload of pills and she's all fucked up. And I know she's not racist. At least she tells me that.

But what I do know is that racism is horrible and people just don't want to tolerate it anymore. And that's what the good thing is. The good thing is like this overwhelming response from people that they're not tolerating racism anymore. You can't do that anymore. We won't tolerate it. And this is fairly new man i mean with the civil rights marches that was in the 60s right i mean think about what was going on in the 50s and the 40s and that that shit that was not that long ago in terms of like how long there's been people so we're dealing with this radical change in this regard but very little change in like our kindness to each other yeah that's why dude start the American mushroom day or not the

American the worldwide Ari Shaffir has a holiday that he created called shroom fest no way what's it yeah it's several days Ari doesn't fuck around. That's so sweet. Ari has not had a real job since he was the doorman at the comedy store. That's badass. So he operates on his own schedule. That's fucking sweet. That's what it's going to take for something like that worldwide to change. It'll certainly help.

Shroom Fest will certainly help. Shrooms will help. I'm promoting that. Yeah. But I feel like part of it is because we're scared. I legitimately feel like we're scared. And I think when someone like Trump is in office, we're more scared because we realize how easy it is for a, you know, I hate to use the term regular person because he's definitely not a regular person. He's very successful and very famous and everybody knew who he was.

But regular person in terms of we don't – that's not how a politician acts. Like this is like some crazy showman. And when a crazy showman becomes the leader of the thing, whether or not he's doing good. I'm not even arguing politically whether he's doing good or bad or the economy is up because of him. I don't know. But it's just how he behaves. It's who he is. Like that freaks people out.

That makes people more on edge. It's who he is. Like that freaks people out. That makes people more on edge. And so they're more angry and they're more looking to call people out on things and they're more looking to stomp out racism. I get it. Imagine what people would think if someone like Sam Harris was a president or something and he was talking about a National Mushroom Day or talking about that stuff, how bad people would freak out. Seriously.

They would freak. There's people that disagree with Sam too. There's a they just conform. There's people that disagree with Sam, too. You know, there's a ton of very, very smart people that disagree with Sam. You know, and it's really interesting to see those disagreements because when really high-level intellects debate each other about things or disagree on things,

and you get to see not just their ideas play out and how their ideas work against the other person's ideas. You get to see that. But you also get to see thinking and communicating at a super high level. Their intellectuals are trying to outsmart each other. Yeah. So they're debating about the existence of God or whatever the fuck it is. We get really smart people who disagree on shit.

Very fascinating. It's like one of the more interesting things to watch. It's like in a lot of ways, high level jujitsu, you know, in a lot of ways you're watching like, oh, okay. And those guys, a lot of them get into jujitsu. Like Harris is into jujitsu. Is he? Yeah.

And I think that's one of the reasons why he's into it. It's because he's kind of doing jujitsu when he's doing these debates. Yeah. Damn, that's nuts. I want my little brother to do it so bad. He won't try it. Well, it's probably hard. His brother's a fucking MMA star and he's like, do your own shit, bro.

I know he would like to. I just feel like it could be his passion. He doesn't even have a passion right now. I'm like, dude, you could try jujitsu and it could you know that's the people for smart people i think it's the mother so smart i'm like dude you could be so good at jujitsu and love it it is very smart there's a lot of super smart eddie always calls them his nerd assassins super smart dudes that are really good at jujitsu scary good i think like getting a black belt from someone good's one of the hardest degrees out there to get in any college or anything.

Well, physically, the thing about college is if you put in the work and you're smart enough, it's possible. I mean, you can do it. I mean, it's a possible achievement. A lot of people have done it. A lot of people do it every year. Yeah. But to really get a black belt like you gotta get you gotta get better like you gotta you have to get back you gotta get strong you're gonna get choked a lot and how are

you built are you built normal like are you small yeah if you're small you're extra super fucked right how's your ego yeah how's your ego can you learn do you know how to tap because if you don't tap you're gonna get hurt yeah like almost every significant injury i ever got doing jujitsu other than like one fucked up knee was which was just a weird passing the guard thing my acl popped but almost every other one was from not tapping yeah just just decide you're not gonna tap like i'm gonna try to get out of this i'm gonna try and someone's got you in a darch or something like that, and your shit's all fucking cranked over. And then for the next week, you're like, oh.

You get that tightness in the middle of your back. Why didn't I just tap? I should have just tapped. John Crouch always told me, he's like, dude, you're just so tough when you get in submissions. People can't tap you out, but I want you to just focus on not getting there. So when you get there, just tap right away. Just focus on not getting there. It's very smart because, just tap right away. Just focus on not getting there.

It's very smart, because you know what? You're always going to be tough, and there's a certain, I mean, you need to know a certain amount of high-level defense. Like, how can you, how long can you survive in a certain spot if you actually have to survive? But in training, you're not really surviving, right? You're just, you should just tap sometimes. Oh, yeah. Especially

with knee shit and arm shit and arm shit. You know, you pop something, and then it's fucked for six months. That's what we're going to be focusing on a lot with Sean is a lot of legs and heel hooks, knee bars, the lower half of the body for the next few months. Who are you guys working with that on? Augusto Mendez, Tequino. Mm-hmm.

Yeah. Yeah. Super high level. It's fun. They have competition roles. It's like all the black belt, like what is it, six, seven black belts. Six, seven black belts. We do 10-minute rounds usually. Back to back.

It was fun. That leg lock game is hitting an extremely high level right now in jiu-jitsu and now trickling into MMA, you know, with Dylan Dannis, like the way he looked in Bellator. I think slowly in MMA it's going to be tough because on a lot of spots you're getting punched. You're getting punched, yeah. And then one punch, solid punch in the right spot changes their game. It puts a little fear in their mind.

For sure. But if those guys can get good enough to strike to become a threat like a guy like Gary Tonin, whoo, that's scary. That's a scary dude. It really is. Scary, scary man. Because he gets a hold of that leg. You're in trouble, son. Seriously. Steps ahead. That Dona. Scary, scary man. Because he gets a hold of that leg. You're in trouble, son.

Seriously. Steps ahead. That Donaher death squad man. Donaher's a real wizard man. Somebody get him a hat with stars on it. Fuck. Dude's moons and stars. He's a wizard.

Someone who studied philosophy like that and just is a type of person like that, it's fucking pretty cool. Yeah. And that shit that he wrote. You should read that thing that he wrote about routine. It really interesting he writes a lot of really cool smart shit check it out for sure his instagram was filled with cool smart shit yeah that's awesome he's got a dvd series out now a leg lock series he shot it and he didn't like it all so he reshot it just reshot it damn yeah damn that's pretty cool yeah it's gonna be it's gonna be funny to see how far those leg lock game will go in MMA

before we evolve more and then find the counter to that it's like well what's interesting to me is that this is essentially all out of a conversation that he had with Dean Lister you know and it's become a meme now it's really funny there's a photo of a girl lying in bed and she's like he's probably thinking about another woman and yeah why would you ignore 50% of the human body and I love how John Danaher said it too dude he says why would you yes why would you why would you ignore 50% of the human body and we're like, wow. 50% of the body.

It makes you uncomfortable, right? He's super smart. That's awesome. You know, he's like, if you're a blue belt and you roll with a black belt, you always feel a little weird around him. Yeah. That's how I feel around him intellectually. I bet. Not just physically, but you're like, okay, you tell me what it is.

I'm not arguing with you, man. You should say, John, take a puff of this. Does he get high at all? I don't know. He probably doesn't have to. He probably can do it to his own brain. I'll just put myself in a perfect position. You wonder if someone like Elon Musk gets high.

Oh, I would hope so. Holy shit, dude. That motherfucker. That guy's on another level. Aren't they building those tunnels already under LA? Yeah, man. They're building that. He's got a boring company. They're going to bore holes through LA

and reinforce them and you're going to go through on sleds. I think they're all getting done right now. Dude, I do not want to be in one of those things and hear the rumble of the earth and see the ocean rushing down that pipe. Oh my God. That would be gnarly.

That's a movie. Imagine the tsunami hits while you're in one of those pipes. I wonder if you got out of that. And your butt's just tightened up. Big wave coming from the middle of the ocean. Dude. And it pulls back and thousands of fucking miles of the earth have been torn apart. That shit's happened a gang of times.

Seriously. A gang of times. When's it going to happen soon? Never know. Dude, that shit has happened many times. What happened in Fukushima has happened a ton of times. We don't live long. So these things, they seem like they're forever ago, but it's based on our lifespan

Our lifespan is so weird because it's it's really short, you know And it seems like it's not because you're in the middle of it But if you look at it objectively it does you're not no one makes it out alive And it doesn't take that too long for your body to give up So by the time you start figuring things out and getting your shit together you're already old it's falling apart and all the while we're dealing with a planet whose time is is almost infinite right for in in terms of like what we can understand so all these things that we know have happened even if we study super volcanoes and tsunamis

and cataclysmic earthquakes and solar flares, even when we study all those things, man, we don't think they're real. They're like, yeah, yeah, yeah, but it's Guatemala. It's only happening in Guatemala. Yeah, it's Hawaii, but hey, they knew they were on an island. We can't control this thing. We built a bunch of houses because we don't think very good

because we don't realize that this might not be here in a year There might come a giant wave that hits with those fucking houses that are perched in Santa Monica perched over the water and Malibu and shit Like what are you doing? How are you so confident that water's not gonna move ah because it hasn't moved in 30 years That's a second no in the life of the earth 30 That's a second. No shit. In the life of the earth, 30 years is a second. Yep. Fuck.

That's insane. Fuck. You put your house on the edge of an alien world that moves back and forth. And there's one contractor who made that decision. It'll hold up. Well, these guys just decide,

I want to wake up in the morning because I'm a winner and I want to do my coffee and I want to do my coke and I want to look out the decide, I want to wake up in the morning because I'm a winner and I want to do my coffee and I want to do my Coke and I want to look out the window and I want to see the fucking ocean. Money. Money buys anything.

Yeah. Super amped up Adderall dudes trying to run the world. Staring at that water. It looks great. Fuck yeah. Kicking ass. Look at that water.

Everyone's looking at them like they got it figured out and they don't. That's what? Oh my God. Luxury home. Teeters on collapsing off cliff. So the cliff gave up and the house is still there. It's in Texas actually.

Oh, is it really? Oh, is that Austin? That's Fort Worth. Oh, Dallas. Look at that one right above it. Yo, you got to fix that. Whoever the contractor is, you're getting sued. I don't think that's real.

Oh. Are you sure? Maybe. I don't know. Jamie, is that real? Cool house. Oh my God. That's a real house?

Look at that mini Cooper. It looks fake as fuck. Who would trust that fucking shitty idea of a house hanging off the edge of a cliff? Oh, it makes you feel. Whoa, look at that thing. That's beautiful. Is that real? Futuristic shit.

That looks faker than this one. This one might be real. Oh, wow. He parks his car on top of that. What have you heard? In the middle of the night. Here. Oh, fuck.

You're like, oh, my God. We got to get the fuck off the house. Honey, we're dropping down. Wait, wait. I can't find my phone. Run. Fucking run. Run.

Got him. Let Ricky grab his iPad. You're running off in the distance, holding the baby under your arm, and you fucking see the house fall off the side of the cliff. Boom. Boom. It's real. Oh, my God.

The people are crazy. You couldn't smoke. I'd get too paranoid. Australians don't give a fuck. They don't give a fuck. Oh, is that an Australian? Those are exceptional humans. Sweet.

I'm a big fan of the australians might be fake might be fake really i found an article that looked like it said it was real and then i just was looking for more and it said that my google said fake after it oh well sorry you know it's funny to me like a switch in subjects but like seeing people that are married husbands that are married to their wife just going through the the classic role of get married and you got your wife and you don't talk to her and go to the boys. Netflix series, Explained.

Yeah. That's a good one. Did you watch that at all? Explained? No. Who's doing that one? I'm not sure who's doing that one, but it talks about all that stuff, like how monogamy was created.

Yeah, how males aren't made for monogamy. They're just not. Well, humans are built more for a tribe explained yeah well that's probably based on my friend dr chris ryan's book which is sex at dawn which is is that what it's based on yeah yeah that mentions he's in it oh he's in it yeah yeah he's a big proponent of that idea it's very it makes a lot of sense if you look at the way chimps behave. We were the cousins of chimps. Chimps fuck everybody. Everybody fucks everybody.

So the idea is like, how did we get to a place where everybody stopped fucking everybody? And somewhere along the line in evolution, it's shifted. Whether it's cultural evolution. Yeah, there's a lot of theories, man. There's a lot of theories. Terrence McKenna had some weird ideas about it. His theories were all drug-based. He felt it was a mushroom thing.

He felt like climate change caused people to move from a mushroom culture to an alcohol culture. And that the death of the ego and the expanding consciousness and the community feelings that you would get from communal mushroom trips all were replaced by drunken assholishness and and chaos and he really breaks it he broke it down he's not alive anymore but when he was alive he broke it down pretty eloquently it's you know it's not something i'm smart enough to know if he's right or if he's wrong but it's a very compelling argument that people because we know that they used to definitely do a lot of mushrooms they we know the vikings did a lot of mushrooms we knew that we know that there's a bunch of

ancient uh art pieces that show mushrooms and even people that were under the spell of the mushroom like a person like a really old one jack harrow was showing all these jack harrow was this great weed activist uh who wrote a book called The Emperor Has No Clothes. It's all a book about him being a Goldwater Republican and finding marijuana and then becoming like this marijuana advocate and a hero for marijuana. And he was in the middle of writing a book. And part of the book was about mushrooms and mushrooms in the history of Christianity and he had all this ancient artwork that was all had mushroom iconography like mushroom images in it and he was like this shit was everywhere he unfortunately had a stroke and then wound up dying he was a great man and in the world of marijuana

he's certainly hero risked his neck like way way early on and you on and stood by his beliefs and caught a lot of shit for his book, but also got a lot of love for how he stood for a guy opening up his mind and changing his mind. I mean, he was a staunch Republican. Started smoking pot and became like this crazy pot advocate. And his next thing was about mushrooms. Man, how awesome is that there's some i mean there's a lot of stuff out there that you can read there's a lot of good articles online where people have shown uh there's ancient images of adam and eve from a fresco in france

from like a long fucking time ago see if you can see that mush adam and eve mushroom fresco just like you were saying sean you're like how do do we know some of that Bible wasn't people writing stories on mushrooms? Oh, yeah, for sure. Well, there's a lot of people that believe it's entirely possible that that's the case. There was actually a recent scholar from Jerusalem that thinks, see, this is the image. That's Adam and Eve. And look at those mushrooms. And not even mushrooms, ayahuasca for those Bible stories.

It's like, holy. Well, who knows? I mean, who knows when they figured out ayahuasca, right? And who got a hold of it? We know that they had it in South America thousands of years ago. We don't know how many thousands, though. Apparently, it's really hard to figure out. But look at that image.

13th century fresco depicting an Adam and Eve in the Tree of Knowledge. The tree appears to be modeled after an Amanita muscaria mushroom. Holy smokes. This is the tree of knowledge. I mean, dude, this is from the 1200s, right? Holy. So this is closer to the bone than the original story than we are now. Aren't mushrooms going to be legal?

Is that on the ballot or something? No, I think there's something on the ballot in California to legalize it. God, I hope they do, even if they just do it for therapy. Seriously? Yeah, just for therapy. But the thing is, there's a lot of these old, old pictures that have mushrooms in with religious icons. It's real weird, man.

Like, think of this. Jesus with mushrooms at his feet. There's a bunch of these. Man, that's crazy. There's a bunch of these really old, weird pictures. But the thing is, like, what is it evidence of? Is it evidence that mushrooms were involved in the creation of christianity possibly but it's also evidence that artists do drugs

you know if you're a fucking guy who's a painter back then maybe you're doing mushrooms all the time and you want to put the mushrooms in everything damn we don't really know yeah i mean well either it's crazy especially if he's doing mushrooms and nobody else even knows what they are he's like listen to this but i gotta i gotta think that everybody knew about him back then and they probably shared him with people that they cared about because if you lived in a world with just think of it this way you lived in a world with no media you have no books you have no science you You have stories. You have a crude language. You write things down.

You draw things. There's no TV shows. There's no cars. There's no nothing. There's no history. You have a history of talking about shit. Wouldn't you think if you found mushrooms, if your life sucked that much ass, like this is the world you're living in. There's barbarians everywhere, and you get fucking step on a thorn,

and you get poison in your body, and you die because no one has antibiotics. You get an infection from a cut. You're dead. I mean, this is how people existed back then. Do you think if they found mushrooms that they wouldn't cherish them? Like, that someone would somehow or another demonize them? For real. Seriously.

If they had nothing else, why would they demonize mushrooms? They demonized it after they figured it out. After they figured out, like, hey, they probably went big gaps without having it. That's the theory. They probably went, like, big gaps where mushrooms weren't a part of culture anymore, and then people tried to reintroduce them,

but culture had already gone in this weird, sort of violent, chimp, alcohol, amphetamines way. Damn. Damn. Fuck. Fuck. Whew. weird sort of violent chimp alcohol amphetamines way damn damn fuck fuck yeah it's not like we're making something up like this is some alice in wonderland book where there's some medicine that says drink me and if we drink we're gonna go on this journey yeah that's just a book mushrooms are real yeah and they're everywhere yeah i mean there's parts of the country they just fucking growing constantly It's crazy When you talk about people that were living it back in that day and how tough it was

You wonder if they had just like as much happiness as we have If they're more positive thinking or what I mean like it's a good question like cuz they didn't know any better They might have more it's like this guy that wrote this book Jesse It's this book that's in front of you living with a seal. He also wrote a book, uh, living with monks. And he was,

he was just here and he just, uh, was talking about it. It was really fucking interesting shit, man. Damn. I bet really interesting shit. Yeah.

But one of the things he was telling me, it was like how happy these guys are. They just meditate all day. They just do their job. They, they train dogs and they meditate all day. That's crazy. It was like, they're all really happy.

And he was like, how many people do you think in the real world are really happy? I'm like, I don't know. And he said, 60 something percent. What did he say? 67? 67 percent of people are unhappy. I wonder how they got that. Unhappy?

Unhappy. 67 percent are unhappy. Oh, I'm sure. Fuck, dude. Even that, I'm like, oh, really? Like, there's what 33 people happy that's more than i expected truly that are truly happy truly happy doing what they want every day yeah there's not that's hard god i'm so yeah you're lucky or super lucky super super lucky

anybody out there that's listening is doing what they want whether you're making furniture or painting pictures or singing songs whatever the you're doing if that's what you really want to do man you're happy yeah even if it's just pay even if you're not making a fortune no you listen if you're getting by doing what you like it's so much better than being rich doing what you hate because your time is what's so valuable when you know if you have a job and you hate it but it gives you a lot of money and you say well i'm going to get out of it eventually the problem is that time that you need to do that job that eight hours that's a giant chunk of your day but a lot of people don't have passions to what would they be doing those eight hours a day a lot of people don't even know

like right like my dad gets off work and goes to work he's like what's he doing you know right what do you want to get good at what do you what are you passionate about what do you want to do and it's easier for like this newer day and age to look on the internet and learn things on the internet see people on the internet doing be like oh they're doing i'm not doing it in our parents generation they didn't have that everyone did it and they had no it was rare right you're super lucky if you find a passion that you truly love especially at a young age and back then everybody was scared right so they would always tell people

don't do that don't take any risks play it safe get that good job you know they're giving benefits you know get your degree play it safe you know well if you have a degree then you'll definitely have a backup plan you know you want to have a safety net everyone back then was

their parents had been in the fucking depression man even when i was growing up people were kind of telling me like no you're gonna fight for like what are you gonna do for work how many do how many 50 year olds do you know that like you want to see and be like man i want my life like theirs yeah like someone like you or paul check like you it seems like at your age that's pretty rare people fall apart man doing what they want. The ride is, you know, everybody can, you know, if you watch one of those mechanical bowls, you watch people, they start ramping it up. In the beginning, everybody can hang on. Everybody can hang on.

But as life gets more and more complicated, you get older and older, your body starts failing. You got to stay on your exercise program or you feel yourself deteriorating. Like you realize, like, how long can I keep this up? How long can I keep this going? You know? And also people have been doing what they don't want to do for 20 years now. Waiting to retire 25 years. To me, my number one for sure, the most fortunate thing is the people that I'm friends with and that I love, my family and people I'm close to.

I'm close to a bunch of really positive people. That has similar mindsets to yours about eating healthy and taking care of yourself? That, for sure. Also about being nice. That's all. That's real important. Being around a bunch of people that are cool to each other. And then two

doing what I want to do if I didn't do what I want to do and I've look I don't want anybody to cry for me that I was on Fear Factor

it's not like it was a bad job I would have taken it again in a heartbeat if I was in the same situation it was great you know it offered me money

a lot of money to do a show that wasn't anything I wanted to do like it wasn't a sitcom it wasn't doing stand-up comedy it was just a weird thing but it was a great job like I'm I wanted to do. Like it wasn't a sitcom. It wasn't doing standup comedy. It was just weird thing, but it was a great job.

Like I'm not, I'm not hating on it, but it doesn't feel the same way, even though I'm very thankful that I got that job. It doesn't feel the same way as it would if I was say doing a podcast or doing standup or just doing whatever I want to do. I don't have to do something just because it's my job. Instead, I do it because I actually like to do we're gonna have to what i have to i don't have to do something just because it's my job instead i do it because i actually like to do it you don't have to watch your p's and q's all the time because you're in the corporate world you watch them yourself man i mean i fuck up all the

time i say stupid things all the time people are like why'd you say that i'm like because i'm free balling i'm saying things off the top of my head for hours at a time. Yeah, occasionally I'm going to say something stupid. I take a swing and a miss. But ultimately, I'm going to try to police myself as best as I can. But it's just so much better than having to pee somebody. It gives you a chance to get better at your own shit. Whatever you're doing, if you can work for yourself or figure out a way to do the thing that you really want to do, it gives you a chance to get better

at the thing that interests you, the thing that's fascinating to you. I was super lucky when I first moved to Arizona. I didn't have to work. I had local sponsors back in Montana. What kind of sponsors? The Sting Bar. Give them a shout out.

The Sting. Alias Smith & Jones. Labs Construction, yeah. There are a bunch that just support small town companies that support us. I didn't have to work, and I was able to put all of my time into learning how to eat healthy, learning how to use my brain, and training. I got to use all my time for that, and I was so lucky for that. It's huge for young fighters you know getting a cool business and wants to put like their logo on your shorts or something like that

that's where we benefited from come from a small town we racked up a lot of experience like in phoenix there's amateur fighters that they can't get fights for the life of them we could fight every weekend if we wanted to so we got a lot of ring experience and got comfortable in there yeah there's a crazy Midwest circuit, right? Like that's why Jeremy Horn has over 100 fights and Travis Fulton. What does he have, like 200-plus fights or something crazy like that? But a lot of those dudes, I mean, you could literally fight constantly all the time. I fought three weekends in a row once.

I remember that. That's nuts. But don't you get super loose when you do that? You get like used to it? Yeah. The experience is different, right? It feels normal. Oh, yeah.

For sure. I remember going into bigger fights and people kind of saying, I was like, I don't think I will. I just don't get, like before a fight, I don't feel nervous. How do you feel? I feel calm. I feel like I'm just calm, just ready for, I'm just waiting for, I feel like I'm really in the now and I'm just waiting to get there.

What are you thinking about? I feel calm. I don't know. I'm super confident. I know in my head I'm going in there, I'm going to knock this dude out, whether I do it or don't. That's what I'm, that's what every fight I get into, I'm going in there thinking I'm going to knock this dude out, every fight.

And I truly feel that. I believe that in myself. And it all comes from how prepared you are he's always doing every single thing not like i'm gonna be lazy today everything he has to do and that's the reason he feels so fucking prepared and can focus on our techniques and can focus on that instead of focus on oh am i gonna gas or did i train hard enough? Or fuck, all that nonsense shit. Yeah. Yeah, I was listening to someone talk about that the other day. I wish I could remember who was having this conversation.

It might have been my friend John Dudley. But he was talking about how when people aren't prepared for things, that it gives you another layer of insecurity on top of the insecurity of doing something that's difficult in the first place. So if you know that you're not like, maybe you're good at it, but you're just lazy and you didn't really practice and then you're going to go and try and do something, but you know, there's other people that practice much harder than you have. That layer is, even if you're a talented person, that's like, that has an effect on your actions.

person. That has an effect on your actions. And if you've done everything you can do, you've dotted all your I's and crossed all your T's, if you've done that, you'll have a different level of confidence. You might still lose, right? It's a crazy way to make a living. The chips

fall where they may, but at least you'll know that you gave 100%. Now, if you lose and you didn't give a hundred percent you definitely still have you always have that in the back of your head as like a fallback hey i know i didn't really give a hundred percent but you could say well well i'm gonna get my shit together now but the problem is you've already gone through the experience of not giving a hundred percent which is very precarious because it could be a confidence destroyer it could fuck your head up

for the rest of your life. It could change who you are because it's very difficult for people to overcome the past. Like ideas that they have about themselves from a year ago or five years ago, that is not you. And you have to, especially in something as critical as like fight skills and learning how to become confident again, that's not you. That was you then. You're better now. Embrace the, that's not you. That was you then. You're better now. Embrace the fact that you're better. Don't dwell on bad moments where you got flattened or you fucked up or you did something stupid

or you got caught in an armbar, whatever the fuck it is. Those things, they can get in your head and you can decide you're that person or you can decide, no, I've passed that now. I'm way better because of that. I'm thankful that happened because that taught me a super valuable lesson. And without that humiliation and that defeat or that misstep or whatever that error was,

I wouldn't know who I really am right now. Yeah, it's like classic sports psychology stuff. And you can't just read it once and be like, okay, I get that. You gotta fucking just rep it in your head wrap it in your head and i think i truly think in a fist fight the number one thing is confidence and i know that confidence comes from training it also helps to have that fucking rumble johnson power son that might also be a number one rumble johnson or you rely on it too much

oh you rely on it too much and well i on people. Or you rely on it too much. Well, I don't necessarily think he relied on it too much. Not necessarily. What I really think about Rumble is Rumble was better than he was enthusiastic about fighting. He was a better fighter. He said it. He was a phenomenal knockout artist.

I mean, Rumble put it to people in a spooky way. When he knocked out Glover Teixeira with that one uppercut, boom! You watch that precision and the power that guy generated. Damn, he was scary. Damn, he was scary. But Rumble said when he retired, he said, hey, man, I'm just good at this. He goes, I'm not a fighter.

I'm an athlete. He goes, I'm just good at this. I don't want to do this anymore. I could do a lot of other things. I was like, good for you, man. That's you man you're fucking at the top of your game everyone's scared of you and you're like man i'm good at this i don't even like it take it easy i'm going into the weed business fuck yeah yeah i mean rumble is uh he's a special person but that kind of thing that he has he's got that one touch gift. I mean, for sure, technique, for sure, years of training,

for sure, smart, knows how to execute and closely distance. There's a lot of excellent variables on his side. But there's one thing that he possesses that most human beings are never going to get no matter how they try. They're not going to get that power. He's got that weird power. There's a few people that

just have that weird power, man. That fast twitch muscle that gases out quick or the slow twitch muscle like Nick Diaz that can push and press the whole time. It's like finding that balance. See, Rumble doesn't always gas up quick, though. Here's the thing. He did in some fights, but if you watch the Phil Davis fight, he never gassed out

for a second in that fight. People forget fucking Phil Davis is good. He's real good. And Rumble put it to him. Phil Davis was in survival mode in that fight. I forgot about that. Survival mode, son. Phil Davis is a demon champ.

Yeah, man. There was no wrestling to be done in that fight. There's defense back to the feet. Keep ducking. Keep ducking because missiles are coming your way. I wonder if he was with Henry Hooft at that time. Henry Hooft helped him with that. For certain. way or if he's with like henry hoofed at that time he was helped him that with that for certain i mean look but i really believe that all those tough training camps and tough fights and you

know those battles that after a while he just didn't want to do it anymore even if he's that good at it he wasn't comfortable stressed out all the time always getting ready for a fight he didn't want to do it anymore he's a smart guy yeah you know i i think there's you know something admirable about that, about him saying, even though he's on top of the heap, you know, just lost the title, right? Yep. Decides, you know what? Fuck it.

I'm done. Well, he got beat twice in a row, right? By Cormier. Maybe, like you said, maybe it was demoralizing. I don't think twice in a row. He won. Yeah, he won. Who did he beat in between?

No, he beat a couple people. I think he beat Glover. He knocked out Glover in between. That's right. And then, who Who did he beat in between? No, he beat a couple people. I think he beat Glover. He knocked out Glover in between. That's right. And then who else did he beat? He was fucking terrifying. He was. I'm telling you, man.

Didn't he try to make 170? He did make 170 many times. He used to fight at 170. He fought on tough at 170. At that high level, too, when there's so much on the line, you get a fight 10 weeks out. Okay, now every single day, my thoughts are filled with what's going to happen in that fight.

For 10 fucking weeks and it's exhausting knowing that I might make this much money or I might make double that much. You can't plan ahead at all. You got to go based on what happened in the fight. I'm not a big believer in that. I don't like that. That's one part of the way people get paid that I wish wasn't a tradition. Seriously. The fight and then the win bonus.

I just feel like everybody's trying to win. And then the decisions. Yeah. If it was one thing, like if it was a rock solid decision process where we did it all in a computer and everyone agreed and everyone voted online. Yeah. Then, okay. Fuck.

Because it might cost you fifty thousand dollars if someone has a terrible idea of whether or not you want to fight or not and sometimes sometimes they're close and sometimes they're subjective and sometimes there's things that you might be looking for that might be you might think isn't good enough to score maybe you think the defense is just as important because even though he took them down he didn't do anything and the guy on the bottom was always working off of his back or you're're a boxer, I'm a jujitsu guy. Yeah. There's always those things. But I think those

could be ironed out with a large enough sample group. Or a large enough group of judges. Educated judges, by the way. Why do we need three? Tell me there's not thousands of people listening to this right now that would make phenomenal judges

that know mma that understand jujitsu that know kickboxing all together i mean there's got to be a fucking shit ton of them out there that would do an amazing job if you let them do it online let them watch it online let them judge it online have a little camera on them while they do it So, you know, they're actually watching the fight. Let them watch it Don't just no commentary. Just let you know what the sounds the impacts how about let's get a bunch of people watching this shit So what would it take to like push an idea like that? It's like we just used to Joe Lewis versus Max Schmeling the judge in the corner Here is judge Wapley and And Judge Judy's over here. And we're used to this stupid old boxing system.

You know, that system sucks a fat dick. They need to have a gang of people judging fights. There should be way more than three. And they should be super educated in terms of, like, high-level understanding of submission holds, striking. They should be able to demonstrate it. What's more significant? An elbow to the top of the head or a leg kick? Depends on who's throwing the kick.

Depends on who's throwing the elbow. What's better? A takedown or a takedown that leads you to get caught in a triangle that you eventually survive in but you almost get tapped in? If you get out, did it not count? What if a guy gets you really close to a triangle and he's got you trapped in there.

You try to slam him. He tightens it up more. There's a battle. And you're going back and forth and back and forth and back and forth. And finally you get out. Do you get more credit because you took him down than he gets for almost strangling you? Seriously. That's super subjective.

Super subjective. And different people will disagree. They will argue over it. I've seen really high level referees and judges argue over what they think is more important and better. It's so subjective. Damn. That's crazy. But I think if we had a giant number, man, if we had

a big number, if you have a hundred people, I'm getting crazy. 20 people. 20 experts. Just have a certified expert panel. And you have these people, you give them access to the fight for free you pay them a certain amount of money they get no commentary they listen to the

fight play out in real time they have the options of tuning into each corner or individual corners if they want that's easy to arrange we have that right now so if we decided to do that and give that to someone who calls it home who wants to not just watch fights but is also an expert and would love the idea of making $100 or whatever the fuck they pay you, have this camera propped over their head, have online contributors.

That'd be nice. Yeah. And maybe have fucking 10 people do it. Maybe have 20 people do it. But in this day and age, why would you not have more analysis that's something better than those three it's just not a good idea to three unskilled people that their only experience is watching fights and judging them like literally they don't have any martial arts experience that's a common theme yeah like there's it's high level mma fights are often the decisions are decided by people that have common theme. High level MMA fights

are often the decisions are decided by people that have zero martial arts experience, which is crazy. It's like me judging a violin contest. It really is. I don't know a goddamn thing about it. I could get it totally wrong. I could get it totally wrong.

I would go, oh, I love the part where he did that. That was a mistake, you fucking idiot! He's not supposed to make that sound! That's why he should lose! I'm like, oh, I thought that was cool. You know? That's how it is when a lot of these people just literally don't have any idea what's happening.

I have a friend who is a judge who told me while a fight was going on, this was many years ago, while a fight was going on, this guy was working for a Kimura, and this lady who's a judge goes what is he doing what is he doing she says it to him because she needs to know because she's she's watching the fight she doesn't know if that's a hold like what is that is this is this work is this real and she's actually judging a fight and he said i was flabbergasted fuck he, she literally didn't understand what was happening. She didn't know a Kimura.

Like, super common. Super common move. She didn't know it. That's crazy. Did you listen to the commentary at all in Sugar's fight? I don't think so. Oh, fuck. Which fight? Which fight? Andre, where he was whining about me saying stuff. Oh, in between corners? No,

it was during the fight. I was just jabbering at Andre a little bit just because I knew that that big pressure moment, he was feeling that moment. People hated that. So I was just laughing when he missed or just little things that make fun of him or a little bit because I know he was thinking about it.

Do you know him well? No, but I could see the pressure, the buildup of him all week. He was getting super emotional. So I knew that little extra push would get him emotional. And then after he tweeted, he's like, all I could hear is his fucking corner talking shit to me the whole time. And that's all I could like. That's wild.

I'm like, I know at the high, high level, it's not going to work, but I just feel it's another tactic. Yeah. Right. I mean, maybe it will. Like who, who would it work on? Well, just think like these guys are, these guys are UFC fighters in their will. Like, who would it work on? Well, just think. I don't know. These guys are UFC fighters in their town. Everyone respects them and treats them nice.

And then all of a sudden, you're in this place where two guys are talking shit to you. And then you're fighting one. And he's laughing at you in this. And they're like, oh, fuck. I'm not used to this. It's just another tactic. But I know at a certain level, it won't work. But why not?

Yeah. At a certain level, it might work a little, though. It's just another part of the game. And I want people fucking trying to hit sugar hard so they're stiff so he's waxing them as they come in.

Well, definitely don't talk about it on the internet if you want it to happen. It'll still happen. It'll still happen. I'm sure. I'm just saying.

You're giving up your strategy, son. Believe in it though. I trust it. I believe you believe in it. You're definitely a fast learner man you know you it's uh it's interesting how you you have a style of moving and throwing kicks that i would have assumed that you had like a long background in some sort of traditional martial art like karate or you know taekwondo or something because the way you're throwing kicks i

was like this guy like the way but i guess that's like a lot of also your emulation of Connor, right? Yeah. That style. Yeah, I was kind of doing that before I saw Connor, just kind of throwing weird kicks. I remember being at the lab and watching videos and trying them, just teaching myself them. But as far as my movement, like i played basketball football soccer and baseball

my entire life since i was four until i was in high school i think i was just became math super athletic from doing so many different sports and then i added that to fighting and i don't know it works well well your length too man that's a big factor that's like a 6'4 guy at 170 that switches stances. How tall are you? 5'10, 5'11. 5'11, 5'10 for 135 is so crazy. There's some dudes that are... What is your walk around? Weight? 150.

Put up your arms real quick. How fucking long his stretch is for 35. How hard is it for you to get down to 35? Super easy. What do you think about this recent move? Dana White has just said that he's going to eliminate the early weight cuts Is that real? I hope that's not true

That would be the worst thing No way That's so stupid You said too many people are missing the weight And they're trying to gain the system And they're trying to cut more Because they know they have more time to recover That sucks

I was a huge I love the 9 It's easy It's like you fucking still know what time weigh-ins are do you think it's possible that um they could ever eliminate weight cutting entirely i hope so i would love that i would love that i don't know i just yeah find out what your actual weight is and fight at that i mean if you're too muscular lose some weight if you're too fat lose some fat but find out what weight you're at.

And just, I think that's, it's an unnecessary danger. That's the nice thing about Sean. He's not a huge 135er. So we don't have to eat to get huge, like George said, or eat to really diet down. We can eat to where he just performs the best and just stay there. And then maybe have to cut eight pounds, eat normal the whole week, drink normal the whole week, and then go in there feeling 100%. It's an unnecessary aspect, and I think one of the things that would be a solution is give guys more options of what weight to actually fight at.

When there's these big, giant gaps between weight classes, it forces people in a lot of ways to cut weight because maybe they're too small for 185, but they can make 170. So fuck it. I'll just make 170 because I know how big X guy is or Y guy is because some of those 85ers, man, you're around them. You're like, holy shit. This is a fucking heavyweight. Chael.

Jesus. Chael's giant. He's a big fella. There's a lot of them. Luke Rockhold is a big fella. He's big. He looks big. he fella he's big yeah he's big and strong as fuck and you know he weighs 185 so if you're in that guy's weight class like good luck fuck face yes Lee you know how about Yoel Romero

Yoel Romero is 185 fucking? Dude, he's one of the most impressive physical specimens I've ever been in front of. I mean, phenomenal wrestler, talented fighter, all the above, but just his physique. Like, he just looks like a superhero. He doesn't look like a real person. Have you been around him

in real life? Flex your traps. You look like Yoel a little bit. Dude, he was here in that shirt, in that seat, and he was wearing this tight shirt with like a gold cross and shit, and you know, it's skin tight, and you look at him, you're like, in between fights, he's not trying to make 185.

He's well over 200 pounds. He's fucking jacked. He's got that super Cuban DNA, son. Seriously. I wonder what DC's gonna weigh going into the fight with Stipe. I'm curious. Holy shit. Jacked.

Jacked. Yoel Romero is jacked. Oh, shit, dude. Could not be a nicer guy. Really? Could not be a nicer guy. That's cool. He's beautiful.

I like that. I love you, Michael. He's funny and friendly. That's cool. He's beautiful. I like that. I love you, Michael. He's funny and friendly. That's cool. He's a sweet, sweet guy. He's laughing all the time. He's so happy to not be in Cuba. And when he talks to you about Cuba, he can go back to Cuba.

He's one of the few guys that can go back to Cuba and then leave and come back to the United States. Damn. Yeah. He says it's crazy. He says you gotta keep your mouth shut and move around and you know watch what you say and don't piss anybody off because they all want to leave and they can't leave and you can leave and come back and leave and come back crazy it's weird like usually someone who's super fucking badass they're always really nice yeah he's so nice soldier of god is that his

t-shirt yeah they put i love you I love you. He put that up? That's the Reebok shirt? That's gotta be a joke. No, it's real. Oh, shit. We need an account. And order me that. Order me that.

I'll take that in the large, please. Fuck yeah. That's awesome, man. Reebok's finally coming out with some good shirts. That's a dope one. Yeah, they're coming out with funny shit, you know? This is yours, right? Yeah.

They sold out the first couple hours on a couple different websites. They just got it back in stock at Reebok. Come on, son. It was beautiful. They had a marijuana leaf behind it at first and it was so sweet. They had to get rid of the marijuana leaf? They panicked. That's it. That's what I was saying.

They need to let it go. In this day and age, let it go. It was a risk they weren't willing to take. Think how many people told you, do not promote marijuana at all the ufc will not ever sign you whoever said well back then maybe but not anymore like a couple years ago sean's like the first to like be open about it um is that true nick diaz come on i guess that's true um nick diaz has always been open about it fuck yeah that's true it's open as fuck. A lot of people are open about weed. It's more behind the scenes. Dana doesn't give a fuck.

The only thing that they care about is commissions and people failing the test, which they think is stupid in the first place. Dana doesn't give a fuck if people smoke weed. He'd rather have them smoke weed, I'm sure, especially now that it's legal, than drink. But 10 years ago, what was he like? Five years ago? Well, it's all about the commissions. He's a promoter.

He's not a guy who interferes with people's personal pot smoking because he doesn't like, it's immoral in my company. No, none of that. His opinion is based entirely on the fact you're going to get tested. So if you're smoking pot and you can't stop, and you're six weeks out, and you know you fucking passed that limit, because they used to be looking for a very small amount and you would you would need a good solid four to six weeks to flush your system and some guys would they push it they get into three they get

into three weeks and just drink a lot of fucking water and apple cider vinegar and try to clean their system out and sometimes it would work and sometimes you would deal with a really sophisticated commission and they would catch you pat healy j Jim Miller. When Pat won both bonuses that night, 130 Gs. That's right. Tested positive for pot. Got 100K. They took his bonus away. And the win.

And his win bonus. And his win. I mean, look. Do you think the pot helped him win? Get the fuck out of here. No shit. It's crazy. And it was just a little amount.

Poor Pat. He pushed it, you know? I mean, and Pat is a guy that fights like a fucking savage. So, you know, he trains like that, too too, so it's all just fucking grinding and smashing and so he's probably sore all the time Man, you know if you're if you fight that fucking Wrestler the top game smash him up style like he does Yep, and that grit style he's got that put it to you Just keep that pressure on you till you break style.

Those guys get sore as fuck, man. They need some pot. Calm them down. Hell for sure. We're going to look back on it someday and it's going to be ridiculous. We're going to look back on the fact that pot was illegal when we were kids

and we're going to be like, how in the fuck is that possible? Some people take it to their graves, though. Weeds the devil. Oh, my mom. Sorry, mom. They just don't get it. It's not their fault. Here's, though. Weeds the devil. Oh, my mom. Sorry, mom. They just don't get it. It's not their fault.

Here's the thing. Weeds the devil for some people, but alcohol's the devil for some people. Gambling's the devil for some people. Jerking off is the devil for some people. There's people that get caught up in all kinds of shit because people are fucked up. We're weird. But pot's not the problem. Caught up in all kinds of shit because people are fucked up. We're weird. You know? But it's not the pot.

Pot's not the problem. You're throwing out the baby with the bathwater. This shit is good for people. It helps you. It makes you think more. It opens your eyes to weird things. It makes you nicer to people. Yeah.

It really does. Oh, for sure. Yeah. For sure, right? Yeah. I can just get my mom to take one puff. Just a little puff. Just a little bit.

I won't do it. What about edibles? No, no way. I love edibles. You got to get around Joey Diaz. Yes. When I'm in camp, six, seven, eight weeks out, I pretty much, I only vaporize and use edibles. Then once I start getting to that three, four weeks, I only do edibles.

Dude, I got gotta get you something. I don't have it right here. We don't have any Jambos here. I gotta get you this Jambos spray. It's gonna change your life, son. It's a spray. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, but be careful.

I have this liquid, this THC liquid you pour under your tongue. That's, you gotta be careful. That's like acid. I ain't going too far. Seriously.

People with those dabbers, all those wacky people with the wax. That's too you can go fuck yourself folks yeah you're going too far they're out in the land or no those like that's like the the marijuana equivalent of those people that take that crocodile drug you know those people that take that shit that rots you've seen that stuff crocodile was some drug that drug that was affecting a lot of people. Apparently in, was it Eastern Bloc states or something? Was it Russia? I think it was Russia.

But it rots your skin away to the point where your bone's exposed. So people would shoot it right into the spot where their bone was exposed. Like that's how crazy this drug is. It's so powerful and so crazy and feels so good they shoot it right into the rotten meat what with their exposed bone oh there's photos man all over the internet it'll freak you out it was in columbia columbia uh that's where it is this one article okay this is is there one from russia i don't i feel like there was a theme about russian kids that were shooting crocodile inile in this burnt-out warehouse.

It was like, what in the fuck? Damn. Dude, it's hard. Pull up some photos, son. Don't gross us out from a distance. Look at that. That's real. So that lady's shooting that stuff into her arm.

The meat rotted away. She does not feel it? Her bone is exposed. She can't help it, man. That stuff just starts rotting their flesh away. She does not feel it? Her bone is exposed. She can't help it, man. That stuff just starts, it starts rotting their flesh away. And a lot of people wind up like this, man. Look at this lady. Look at her arm.

Look at her forearm. Crocodile? Yeah. Look at it, eight away her forearm, man. There's almost nothing left of her forearm. This is a really common thing that you can find online if you want to throw up. Look at that guy's foot. Is his foot still, like, spreading? Or what? I don't know, man. I'm too scared to ask. I to throw up. Look at that guy's foot. His foot's rotting away. Is it still spreading? I don't know, man. I'm too scared to ask.

I don't even... Look at that one hand. Click on that hand where your cursor's on. Click on that. Oh, Jesus. Look at this person squirting it into their leg. Jesus Christ. Oh my God, it's eating that person's ass. Alright, that person's ass That's enough

Thank you for not showing these online People just get so fucking damaged What is that drug that makes Imagine an itch That's so hard to not scratch That you're willing to shoot the drugs Into the hole where the bone is Fuck

People are fucked up People are fucked up, man. People are fucked up. And a lot of it's weird. They were saying in this podcast, from zero to three, you learn more than you'll ever learn in your whole life. We don't even remember that. When people say that, I go, maybe you, bro.

Really? Our thought pattern? Yeah. Like, ten times stronger than heroin. Three times is more toxic Jesus and it's a tenth of the price oh that's the problem

it's Costco so were we saying that you learn more by the time you're 3? from 0 to 3 than you'll ever learn in your life taking in more information about like everything just being programmed from that like and we don't even remember that

and that forms maybe a lot of patterns that are in our brains now like oh for sure no idea oh for sure um especially if uh kids grow around uh grow up around violence violence in the house violence in their community uh especially even if their mom was going through violence whether in the womb that's that has a giant factor in the way you connect the dots and the way you interact with people. I was on a plane once, headed to Australia, and Michael Irvin was on the plane just by random. You know, it's a long-ass flight. It's like 14 hours. So me and him got to talking.

Super good dude, like real nice guy. I mean, phenomenal football player, but just like you would never know it talking to him. Just super down to earth but he was talking about um work he does with kids with um kids that and and trying to sort of illuminate to people what happens to someone who grows up in a terrible community where they experience a lot of violence in the neighborhood or their family experiences violence or the mother does while the boy's in the womb, that this programs literally their behavior patterns. Thought patterns.

Yeah. And they come out of the gate with a faster fuse, a shorter fuse, more inclinations towards violence, different hormone rates. Their body reacts to stress differently. They're quicker to snap. They're quicker to make impulsive, violent judgments and beat people up and shit like a lot of the people that are in these situations like what you're dealing with is like a programming from the time they're in the womb and it's very difficult to correct and then we have to like really not think about it in terms

of like here's a person who's doing a bad thing and think about it more in terms of like, well, wait a minute. Why is he so angry? How did he get like this? What happened? Are we just going to let it happen over and over again and keep blaming people who get it wrong and say, hey, everybody figure it out because we're going to keep locking you up? Or should they look at it and go, how is this happening?

Like, what is causing people? Hey, look, Mike grew up on the south side of Chicago. Everyone in his neighborhood was getting beat up and shot. And, you know, if someone says something to him, he can't even help it. He just sucker punches you. Because he's on edge all the fucking time. Are we supposed to treat him the same way we're going to treat Chad, who grows up in the country club and wears eyes-eyed shirts? And his parents were both on Xanax and everybody's cool and the maid raised him.

I'm like, are we going to treat them? I mean, they're not the same people. These are not the same kind of human beings. Like some human beings, they got a shitty deal. They got a shit deal, man. They should get a shit deal coming into this planet. We got to figure out how to stop those shit deals from taking place so often.

Figure out a way to like make it nicer for people. Like the worst problems are people that come out of horrible situations in their life when they're young and then go on to do violence and terrible things when they get older.

If you could just get to them early and everybody calm down, everybody relax, like let's figure out a way to get you all paths to success and get you to figure out coaching and life coaching and education and counseling and community. And you're wanted and loved and everyone's together. And you have a stake in this game just as much as everybody else. And then have this with kids when they're young.

And then have this with kids when they're young. You'll develop phenomenal human beings instead of people that are likely to grow up and, you know, engage in the kind of patterns that they saw all their life. Yeah, I think like a big thing, our school system, like we're not taught how to use our brains. We're not taught how to deal with certain emotions when they arise. We're just taught, you know, math, science, all that stuff. I think the school system, we need to implement more teaching us how to meditate, how to control our thoughts. For sure. Our emotions.

And just like Rhonda Patrick says, what the mom's eating has so much to do with how that baby's formed and how healthy it's formed. For sure. It's like, holy smokes, man. Yeah. I mean, it's all – there's so many factors. And then there's things that you're just never going to be able to control, like where you're born, like who your parents are, what part of the world do you live on? I mean, we're all lucky as shit, even the poorest of us to be here in America, where you could be in a shit neighborhood and manage to get out and become at least a financial success. There's places where that's just not possible. Literally.

How lucky are we that we're not living in fucking Singapore where they could just pull you over and just lock you in a cage for a year because you like to smoke plants. Yeah, no shit. It's fucking insane. No shit. Yeah, we're all insanely lucky. I bet it's pretty crazy being a dad.

It's crazy. I bet it's pretty crazy being a dad. It's crazy. I bet. Holy shit. It's hard to wrap your head around it until you experience it. I bet, dude. It is very, very rewarding, but it's also very humbling. It changes your whole perspective on things. You love these little people in a way that you didn't even know you could love.

And you just feel different. You feel different about people. I look at you didn't even know you could love. And you just feel different. You feel different about people. I look at people now, men, women, everybody. I look at them like they used to be a baby. That started to happen almost immediately after I had a kid. I never used to think about it that way. If I saw some dude and he was fucking 70 years old and yelling at people, fuck you, get off my lawn, or whatever, I'd be like, look at that old dickhead.

Fuck you, I'll beat your ass. I just would think. I'd be like, look at that old dickhead. Fuck you, I'll beat your ass. I just would think he's an old dickhead. Fuck that old dickhead. But now I go, oh, that was a baby. Man. That was a baby that just went through life and then got to the point where it's this old man who just, you know, everybody could ride that fucking mechanical bull for a second or two.

Until he starts bucking. If you're 70 years old and you're like, get off my lawn! You just can't wait to go back inside and drink yourself to death and you're watching Judge Judy, you know? What? There's a lot of people like that. Those people that are out there just in a room where the fucking walls are yellow with cigarettes, just constantly smoking. They got a greasy film on all the windows. Throwing with cigarettes, just constantly smoking.

They got a greasy film on all the windows. Throwing at Tony's. Yeah. They're just ordering pizza, and their fucking whole house smells like shit. Those people are alive right now, and they were babies, and now they're 80.

Now they're 80 years old, coughing, they got a tube in their neck. Maybe they got a fucking oxygen tank they take with them, the little tube that goes up their nose. And how were they raised? Who were they raised around? Yeah. How were they raised? Did they get a good deal? Did they get a good deal?

Did they get a good deal? Were they around nice people when they were young? Or did people smack them for no reason when they were a little baby? Did people drop them on their head? What happened to them? You know? What kind of education did they get? What kind of education did they get? What kind of nutrition did they get growing up? How well did their brain develop?

God. You know? It really does make you want to just treat everyone nice. Dude, it could be us. That's the thing. You could be born in a terrible community in, you know, fill the blanks, Russia. You could have been born there. You could have been born in some nightmare, crime-infested part of Liberia. You could have been born there. You could have been born in some nightmare, crime-infested part of Liberia. You could have been born there.

It could have been you. You could be in Libya right now. You could be a little child born in Libya right now. You have no control of your environment. And it's basically a failed state where they're reintroducing slavery. Open markets. You can watch people. There's slave trade auctions on YouTube.

You can see them in Libya. Holy shit. Have you seen it in Libya. What? Holy shit. Have you seen it, right, Jamie? Holy. Terrifying. So Francis Ngannou spoke out about it after he knocked out Alistair Overeem. It's one of the things that he wanted to talk about. When he knew he was going to be fighting for the title, he basically, you know, he's not

the best at English. He's still learning it. But he was like, you know, I just want to say fuck slavery. Like, this is crazy that this is happening today. In 2018, they have slavery in Libya. People had cell phone camera footage of the slave auctions going on. Damn, dude. That's fucked up.

Yeah, that could be us. Yeah. We could be born there. You know, we got lucky. Everyone got lucky. And some got luckier than others. But the lack of just not just an understanding of that, but the action, like the fact that we always think we have to do all these different things in other countries. Oh, we have to go over there and help these people out with their trade.

Oh, we have to go over here and there's a steel embargo. We need to talk to these people. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sure, we definitely do. But you know what we really need to do? We need to fix up these fucking poor cities. Fix this up. You've got horrible poverty.

You've got places where you have block after block with boarded up windows. And you know this exists, right? Some of the reservations. Oh, dude. Fuck, dude. That's a different world there. It's a different world. It really is.

Yeah. But it's like that's never something that's discussed when people talk about the problems that this country faces. They live roughly, you know, economic crisis. And they use words like, you know, welfare inequality or, you know, income inequality. They use these terms. But at the end of the day, we don't think about. No, it's just like people that are fucked. They're fucked.

Like their situation is fucked. It's not good. And they don't get the same break as someone who lives in a nice neighborhood in columbus ohio they're not getting the same break it's a different situation and until you fix that you're going to make criminals and angry people and people that are dysfunctional and people that are you know they're lashing out because they experience violence and and no love their entire life you're going to always get that man and this is what i was talking about earlier, that our technology is constantly and rapidly

accelerating. But our understanding of our interactions with each other is still fucked up. It's still clunky and not well thought through. And as much as we know about so many different factors in terms of how human beings develop, we put almost no effort into fixing it. What would help? They would have to go on an all-out

campaign to reinvigorate horrible neighborhoods. They would have to use government money to fix these houses and fix these neighborhoods and make it safer with more police force um make community centers where people can go and be safe set it up so they can do activities there that they would

like you know there's there's got to be ways that you can invigorate these places and you somehow another figure out a way to get work for a lot of these people give them counseling give them let people know that they've never really been to school and they're in their fucking 20s there's a place we can go we can teach you how to write and read this is real there's a lot of people that are like this in the real world you know we can we can fix things if we put money and time into them like the way they decided like they were using haliburton to go and rebuild places that we blew up in iraq like that's what they do they go and refix stuff that we fucking they build they build shit that we fuck up you know they go over and they put power plants and do all kinds of other shit over there but they get these giant contracts to go over there and do that okay well we definitely

blew things up so we should definitely fix it but shouldn shouldn't we fix Chicago too? Why do you get gang violence constantly in Chicago? I mean, the death rate in Chicago is crazy, right? Or Detroit or, you know, fill in the blank, whatever bad neighborhood that's experiencing some sort of a drug conflict. Reservations. Yeah. And then how about the fact collectively we all need to look at the fact that Mexico's right next to us,

and the only reason why they have such violent crimes is because we like drugs, and we keep those drugs illegal, so bad guys sell drugs. It's the fucking stupidest shit ever. It's like, you know it. Everybody knows it. I'm not a smart guy. If I know it, I'm no genius. If I know the solution, you don't think the people in the highest levels of government know the

solution? But dude you're a lot smarter than you think because think of the people you talk to every day these deep conversations like you got a lot of knowledge that people have never gotten before. Yeah but see there's a difference between knowledge that you just sort of remember things that people have told you which I got some of that

and actually having an education in it that's the difference like if people ask me about, which I got some of that, and actually having an education in it. That's the difference. Like if people ask me about martial arts, I can understand almost everything you want to talk about with martial arts with the exception of some judo and some wrestling. Some judo and some wrestling, I would want to talk to an expert and want to make sure that I got my positions and my understanding of what is the best thing to do.

But everything else, I'm an expert in. Just like Michael Pollan said, though, how long on sleep? How long do doctors get? How long is their courses on sleep? Oh, yeah. One course? How long?

Exactly. So do you listen to them or do you listen to your podcast? Yeah, but I don't listen to them when it comes to sleep. I listen to a guy like Matthew Walker, who's a sleep expert. Yeah.

You know, I mean, there are those... Matthew Walker. He's a real sleep expert, so he's the guy that I should listen to. But just because I can parrot what he says, don't get confused. Like, I'm not smart.

I just remember shit. But, God, in a way, that's smart. Dude, if you could see how my fucking brain actually functions, like how I write material and why I need to constantly keep moving, you'd be like, oh, you're just crazy. You're not smart. You're just a crazy nice person. Yeah, that's awesome.

That's what it is. Open-minded, oh, you're just crazy. You're not smart. You're just a crazy nice person. Yeah, that's awesome. Well, that's what it is. Open-minded, too. Definitely open-minded. I think I need to be, and I think we all need to be. And I think it's one of our main problems as people, and I've been absolutely guilty of this in the past, is that we cling to an idea as if it's our identity, as if it defines us.

Instead of looking like, am I right? I might not be right. There's a lot of power in saying, damn, I'm wrong. There's a lot of power in that. There really is. And we need to recognize that. We need to recognize there's power in saying you're sorry. There's power in like, dude, I definitely fucked up.

I was in the wrong 100%. I don't know what I did. I'm sorry. There's power in that. There's power. I feel bad about it. There's power in saying I thought this was correct it. There's power in saying, I thought this was correct, and it wasn't. I really feel stupid.

Sorry I argued that so hard. I really thought I was right. I'm a fucking idiot. You've got to be willing to do that. If people were less willing to do that, it's like some people, they say something, and they stick with it, and then they'll fucking die on that hill. Right? it and then they'll fucking die on that hill right like this is why it was so weird that donald trump was trying to say that the eagles never stood for the super bowl that they were kneeling and that the you know enough of them didn't want to come so i'm canceling this party uninvited them yeah it's crazy yeah that's crazy and that's why it's crazy it's crazy because of

the way we we really in our heart of hearts, understand how people are capable of communicating with each other. Yeah, it's pretty cool. Yeah, we're capable of being way better than this. We're just clumsy. We're just stumbling into each other and headbutting each other and shit, like a mosh pit. Our egos are just fighting each other. There's a lot of that, man.

There's a lot of everybody, including me. I've done it too. Everybody wanting their side to be right. Oh, yeah. You just get so stupid with it. That's why it's hard to like wander out up out of your group of friends. Fuck Yeah, you go like fuck. Yeah, try to trust people right? Yeah, I don't find people that aren't like secretly hoping you fail Yeah Those people are similar mindsets constantly sharing different articles you find and I don't know it's pretty lucky. And being

honest about what you know. Don't pretend you know more than you know. Gotta be aware of what you know. Like someone like you, I could listen to an expert nutritionist and he's kind of overweight doesn't look good. Or someone like you who's not an expert nutritionist but look at your body. You have a lot of fucking knowledge that you learned.

Yeah but definitely don't listen to me. Only listen to if I can parrot somebody else's shit or tell you to go listen to their shit. Because I get things wrong. I'm not educated in the mechanisms of nutrient absorption. So there's like things that if you take it with certain things, it's not good for you. Nutritionists will know all that stuff. I'm not the person who knows. I know some things, like don't have saturated fat with refined carbohydrates and

sugar it's not a good combination especially if you have certain genes i know a bunch of i know what you're supposed to eat not supposed to eat but some nutritionists though even some like at the ufcpi they'll be like uh well not this one but a certain nutritionist went to school for it got all their degrees and like yeah you can have mac and cheese for lunch and then we'll have like some vans waffles to get you started it's like oh well they must have got some 1990s education that's what i'm saying like how much are those are 1990s educations if they don't keep up man it can be bad right like those food chains from the fucking 80s and those dr seuss books you ever see that shit it was all like cereal and rice and

grain at the bottom mush again it better have a lot of that and then and then after that it was like meat and there was eggs. It was a goofy-ass food chain, man. Yeah, damn. That's what people thought. The food pyramid, the bottom of it should be grains and breads, which are fine as long as you don't have too much of it. Yeah. I mean, that should be a moderation thing.

Depending on your goals, right? thing about the nutrition world the real thing is it is so complex and so it's so involved that you really need to talk to an actual expert like if I have issues if I have questions about things my number one go-to is dr. Rhonda Patrick yeah number one she's she's 100% scientific. There's no shenanigans. When she has an idea about something, it's based on studies. She can cite those studies to you literally at the drop of a hat, and she'll tell you what's going on, like why is this good with that,

and why does this help that, and why does this hurt that. She's the go-to person for me. She's a wizard. She's so fucking smart. So like I could ask someone like that, but I'm not, I'm absolutely not a nutrition expert. I know what I've been able to do that works pretty good for me. And I've got some loosely fucking duct tape together knowledge. But the real people out there like Rhonda Patrick or Rob Wolf or Chris Kresher or Ben Greenfield. Like I had Ben in here a couple weeks ago.

Dude, he's a wizard. You listened to that three times. Probably a purple or brown belt in nutrition then. No, I think I'm a blue belt. No way. No, no. Look at you. I'm being honest.

I'm being honest. You're 50 years old and jacked, dude. Yeah, but I'm just crazy. I told you I'm a crazy person. I work out a lot. I take TRT. All those things help. Yeah.

But the real experts, man, their knowledge is constantly growing. This is the thing about Rhonda that's so fantastic. She's on top of all of these peer-reviewed papers and new studies and all these things that are going on and things that are in the process of going on. Because she's in this loop of clinical – she's a clinical researcher. So she's in this loop of all these wizards. And she does her own podcast. So she's in this loop of all these wizards and she does her own podcast. So she's like, she's constantly up on everything that's going on.

So she'll send you things about new data and she's always like, every time I have her in here, it's three hours where I might talk like five times. Like I might go, so why does that do that? That's a good question. And she's not even looking at notes man like she's and we get to learn from it at a young age and apply it dude like so how who's to say we're not fighting healthily at 40 if we monitor injuries and monitor our sparring and all that like well the thing's going to be

brain health right that's the real that's the real problem the real like Kat Zingano was here uh do you guys see that or listen to that one? We didn't get to see that one yet. She had a significant brain injury, apparently, from Amanda Nunes. Amanda Nunes, throw some boulders, son. Boulders. Big, long boulders. She hurts people. She's a fucking killer.

She was concussed so badly in that fight that it fucked up her hormone levels. She became hypothyroid from that fight and continues to be so to this day. She gained 25 pounds, she said. Or 20, 25 pounds? Somewhere in the neighborhood. Somewhere between 20 and 25 pounds. Could not shake it off. She goes, I was eating like 400 calories a day.

My body would not let go of this weight. And then she found out she was hyperthyroid. And she had all sorts of problems with her cognition, with her memory, with her – she couldn't see when she was sparring. She wasn't seeing things anymore. She wasn't seeing reads. You know, she wasn't like – she fainted. She fainted someone.

She couldn't see their reaction. She was just charging at them full blast. She was like, I had no sense of what I was doing. So she started getting this crazy magnetic therapy. They do this thing. I've seen that on her Instagram. instagram yeah you saw it on her instagram yeah and it really helped her 100 brought her back and she said they've been able to do that with soldiers and all these they reignite all these and they can target specific areas of your brain where you're having a hard time functioning correctly wow that's bad yeah so she got all of her balance back, all of her issues, and she says she feels 100% or close to it.

Good for her. But that kind of shit, it gives me hope, right? Well, that's one sort of therapy that they can do. Maybe there'll be more in the future. There's a lot of hope in all this pioneering stem cell shit and exosomes and all these different things that they're working on to try to regenerate neurotissue. Really?

Yeah. Who knows? I mean, we're in amazing, amazing times. But again, this is just technologically and medically. It's still culturally. We're goofy as fuck. Culturally, yeah, yeah. Fuck.

Technologically and medically, yeah. Like, fuck. Did you guys see that they're going to take away the bikinis in Miss America? I saw that. I was like... Come on, son. What? That's hilarious.

Listen, they're going to make it a contest. They're not going to judge them on their looks anymore. They're going to make it a contest. They're not going to judge them on their looks? Nope. Nope. They're not judging them on their appearance anymore. Holy shit.

Let's just do a different thing. Let's just do a different thing. Yeah. But I guess they want the name Miss America. But then how does Miss America go to Miss Universe? Is that how it works? You don't know? You know. He's got all of them on DVR.

Saved at home. Wasn't that the one where Steve Harvey said the wrong person? Was that Miss America or Miss Universe? That was Miss Universe? Damn, dude. That would suck. It's just a crazy thing, man, to have

a beauty contest. Imagine if they had them for men. Bodybuilding contests are bodybuilding contests. That's a different thing. But imagine if they had just a gorgeous man competition and the guys just walk out and they ask you know they ask them questions some pale redhead you gotta get a redhead in there it's all about eating pussy all

day i don't even care about myself they would say a bunch of crazy shit just like those women you know everybody's just trying to say the right thing hoping that they get picked that's a weird thing right that there's super weird it's not something that anybody's clamoring for equality on i'll tell you that like no one's asking for mr man mr handsome uh all america man mr universe yep mr america mr america is only like a bodybuilder mr universe is a bodybuilder that's dorian yatesates, motherfucker, right? You know? That's Lee Haney. That's Mr. Universe. Yeah. Mr. Olympia, right? Mr. Olympia's

the top of the heap. Who's the one with the dreads? The spiraling dreads? Which one? The bodybuilder? Mr. Universe. Kai something.

Kai, yeah. Oh, yeah. That dude. Was he on a... Oh, that dude was on Fear Factor. Kali. Kali Muscle?

Yeah, Kali Muscle. No, Kai Green. No, Kai Green. Oh, Kai Green. Oh, right, right, right, right, right. Yeah, there's some big-ass dudes out there. There's some big fucking dudes out there. Seriously. But obviously, look at that back.

Holy shit. That would suck. Wouldn't that suck, dude? What is that? Look at his butt. That's ridiculous. You have to look at it. Waking up every morning.

Look at it. Look at his butt. Make it bigger, Jamie. Dude. Look at that. Get the fuck out of here. How is that a human's ass? And you hear how GSP,

how messed up he got for eating all that. Like, imagine these guys' insides. I guess their lifespan is not long, right? That guy must have a dick like a rhino horn. Or just a little peckerhead.

I don't know. Look at the size of these fuckers. That is just... What? Okay, now here's the real question. Here's my question. I guess maybe I'm ignorant,

but how the fuck could you tell who's better? No shit. I always wondered that too. How do you tell? They're both ridiculous. Like, what are you looking for? Even on each side, right? How weird is that?

Yeah. Because, like, at the top level, when you watch, like, a mr olympia or something like that and you see eight dudes standing on stage flexing do you is one of them stand out to you at all yeah they all look super jacked they all look super jacked like look at those two look at those legs those legs are a weird life to live wouldn't it those legs are preposterous those are preposter thighs. That shit doesn't make any sense. I mean, look

at your legs. Oh my god. That's Ronnie motherfucking Coleman. Ronnie Coleman in his day. What would be your tactic if you had to fight that guy in a fist fight? Just hang on. Or stay away? Or stay away? Hang on. We gotta get to the back. How long is he gonna last?

How long is that guy gonna last? You make him work. You to the back. How long is he going to last? How long is that guy going to last? You make him work. You make him work. Get two minutes in. Yeah, two minutes. You just keep fighting for underhooks. Stay low. Yeah.

That guy's got about 45 seconds in him. Seriously. I mean, it might fuck you up and throw you through a wall. No. I need to get on his back quick. Yeah. Well, getting on the back, the problem with that is he will be able to stand up and he's going to throw his body backwards and try to land on you.

That would hurt. Yeah, you've got to be careful with the whole take a guy's back when he's still got some juice. Yeah, seriously. In the street in particular. Yeah, you're right. Yeah, the street. Taking someone's back, all they have to do is, I mean, it can be done. Especially if they've got some juice in them.

They still have strength. They just run out of air. They can have that one big explosion. He's a giant dude, though. He might be so big that if you did get a hold of him, he might just throw you. Oh, yeah. He'd toss my little ass. He might just throw you on top of a car or some shit.

I mean, how much did those guys lift? Holy shit, no shit. How much did they lift? One of the bench? 700 squats, I bet. Yeah, it's probably just bench pressing 600 for 20 or some shit. Right? That would be a weird lifestyle. Just getting fucking jacked every day.

Just getting jacked, baby. Get jacked and eat all day. That's a sport, though. You kind of get out of it what you put in. Fighting's not always you don't get out what you put in always. You mean really put in, too. In the left cheek, in the right cheek. Woo!

That's a sport where you have to do it. It's like one of the only sports where we just all understand you have to do it. No one's getting hurt besides themselves. How do you not do it? All right? Yeah. Am I right? I mean, at that level, for sure they're all working hard, but for sure they're taking steroids.

Oh, yeah, 495. 495. Jesus Christ. That's insane. Jesus, yeah, 495. 495. Jesus Christ. That's insane. Jesus Christ, Kai Greene. Holy. That's a powerful human being. And that ain't shit.

And he's doing it for reps. He's doing it for reps. That ain't Mad Wonder's mask. That's a strong fucking human being. Man, a champ, 725. Holy shit. And that kind of strength is scary, but it's nothing compared to that strongman type shit. Do you see that Magnusson guy?

Magnus Carlsen dude? The dude who was on the Game of Thrones. Magnus Carlsen. What's his name? Oh, yeah, Magnus Carlsen. I don't know if you're like Von Magnusson or something like that. What's his name? The Mountain.

Gregor the Mountain. The guy Connor was fucking around with? Yeah. That bugger. You see them slap around? That was funny. That guy just won. What'd you say, Jamie? I said his character's name. I can't say this. Oh. What's his real name? Oh.

How do you say that? How do you say that name? Hathor Julius Bjornsson. Bjornsson. Six foot nine. Half Thorornsson. Six foot nine. Half Thor. He's six foot nine. He's so fucking huge.

Dude, that guy's so ridiculously huge. Look at the size of this fucker. Deadlift over a thousand? What the fuck? I bet he has to hire dudes to just cockblock for him. Just around him all the time going,

No! No more! No more! Mr. Bjornsson must rest! Mr. Bjornsson has no more cum! Look at the size of this motherfucker. Look at the size of this motherfucker. Look at the size of this motherfucker. Head nod.

Fuck yeah. Deadlifts a thousand pounds on TV. A thousand pounds, bro. That's a half a car. That's a big boy. What the fuck? Yeah. Giant human.

Giant human. Wow. That one dude got into MMA and is still fighting. Yeah. What the fuck is his name? Fuck. He fought one of the Gracies. Who did he fight?

Igor Gracie? Pudzianowski. Pudzianowski, yeah. What's he fighting for? Russian promotions and stuff. Is it a Polish promotion or a Russian promotion? I think he fought for M1 maybe. He's slimming down quite a bit.

It's very interesting. He's still fighting. Damn. Yeah. I mean, if you look at how he used to be up on top see Jamie those two and the shorts Keep going right there. Yeah, that's what he used to look like versus what he looks like now He used to be super duper duper jacked, but he's still fucking stupid strong just Stupid strong maybe but he had to lean up man because he was uh he just couldn't fight like that he fought tim kennedy bro i mean uh i'm sorry um fuck tim sylvia that's

right he fought tim sylvia god why did i have that escape me i was thinking maniac and i couldn't come up with his last name but tim sylvia beat the shit out of him. Oh, I bet. Well, he fought Tim Sylvia too young. I mean, he just thought because he was big and strong, he would be able to. See if you can find the Pudzianowski-Tim Sylvia fight. Tim is a fucking world-class UFC heavyweight. No. There's no video?

No, I just, sorry, I wasn't saying no to you. What'd you say? What's it trying to do? It corrected it to Silva, not Sylvia. Oh. Damn, slimming down. He's like, fuck. Just go to videos.

Does it have it? Yeah. There it is. There it is. But Tim just wore his ass out. And Tim was heavy in that fight, too. He just wore him out and just kept beating him up. Tim's giant, man.

He's a big motherfucker. But he's just way too skillful. Like, Puginowski was crazy. He tried to just beat on him with his power. But good luck with all that. And Tim just kept wearing on him and kneeing him and fucking him up. And Tim was, like, super relaxed, paced himself. Look at him in there.

Pop, pop. Not throwing with everything he's got. Just staying on him Yeah Real pro I mean Whoever made this fight Is a real fucking

Like A real sinister person It's a crazy mismatch Oh yeah But I guess Pudzianowski Wanted it man That's what a stud that guy is Damn

That's cool He's a stud I mean he really believed in himself He feels like he's got That kind of power He could kill anybody. Just smash him. But it didn't work with Tim.

That's crazy. Yeah, and Tim just eventually started wearing on him. How loud did you cheer when Randy hit Tim with that overhand right? That was crazy. Didn't expect it. Wasn't that the first couple seconds? Yeah. He threw an inside leg kick and an overhand right, and Tim was out on his feet.

Like Tim said, he was talking about it at one point in time in the future, and he said that he forgot what round it was. He was like, it's only the third round, right? And they're like, Tim, this is the last round. He's like, what? Like he forgot a round. Yeah, like he probably was out on his feet the whole fight. I mean, think about that shot.

He gets caught right on the jaw. Seven seconds in. Yeah, that's nuts jaw seven seconds in yeah that's nuts seven seconds in look at this inside leg kick hammer and it's perfectly placed and you know tim and him were friends and tim was really having a hard time believing that randy wanted to fight him because randy had stayed at his house they had stayed together for a while been friends and he was all maybe he didn't stay at his house i might have have made that up. He keeps a good... But they were friends. I know they were good friends. And so Tim was kind of

blown away that Randy wanted to fight him, but Randy didn't give a fuck. Robert Falls told me he never saw Randy lose a round in the gym. Ever. He's an animal. Dude, I was there for Randy's debut. Fought two times that night. Twice? Yeah, he fought two times that night. Strangled two people.

Smashed them. and he was basically a wrestler who knew a few submission holds, who had done some boxing in the army, you know, and nobody knew anything back then. Started at 30 something, right? Yep, I think he was like 34 or 35 for his UFC debut. That's sweet. Yeah.

Yeah, and then when he fought Vitor, that's that was a really important fight in MMA, a really important he fought Vitor, that was a really important fight in MMA, a really important fight, because Vitor was like 240-plus pounds then. He was gigantic. That's insane. He was gigantic. And he had this huge neck, like his neck started in the middle of his forehead.

It was just so huge. And they had written for his like strengths and we it's had no known weaknesses like this is how much of a monster Vitor was he's just lighting everybody on fire but he kept getting bigger and bigger and bigger he kept getting thicker and bigger and I think one of the reasons was Mark Coleman I think everybody back then was scared of Mark Coleman everybody was like. Because Coleman was 265 and fucking jacked, son.

He was always between 255 and 260, somewhere in that range. But so jacked. And Mark was a fucking serious wrestler. And he would take you down, and he was going to get on top of you, and he was going to deliver pain. He was smashing people with headbutts, no gloves.

And this is the Mark Coleman era and this is the era where Vitor is coming up. So Vitor gets to like 240 pounds and fights Randy and Randy survives the opening barrage, really doesn't even get hit with much and just starts to slowly chip away at Vitor until he gets him up

against Cage, beats him up and gets him down and smashes him. And everybody was in shock. Everybody was like, what? How did he lose? How is it possible? And how did he lose like this? It was a really important fight in MMA because it was a fight where you have a narrative that you think is playing out, and then a lesson gets taught to everybody.

Like, no, no, no. You got too big. This is all muscle that you don't need. It doesn't help you you get tired You need to have better endurance This is not the way you you know you fight against a guy who can survive and we didn't know that yet because nobody knew That there was gonna be people who survived. Yeah, nobody knew this week gonna be with submission defense when people are caught in submissions They tapped, you know, how often did anybody get it out of anything back then?

Like we know when he knew the progression that it was going to take. We learned in that Randy fight that there's a certain level of winner. There's guys that just, they're fucking mental animals. They just know how to win. They know how to break people. And you get to see that in Randy. Man, it's sweet. It's crazy.

And then everyone thought, oh, the Machida era. And there's really. That's crazy. And then everyone thought, oh, the Machida era. And there's really... That was me. I said that. But the smarter we get, there's no going to be an era. But then you wonder with Jon Jones. Well, there's a Jon Jones era right now. I mean, this is the Jon Jones era.

No question about it. If you look at the actual results in fights, I don't care what they say about anything else. This is what people are going to remember. When you go back and look at this era of light heavyweights, you think about Jon Jones. It's just like when Muhammad Ali was in his prime, people thought about Ali. When Sugar Ray Leonard was a welterweight champion,

people thought about Sugar Ray. You've got to think about Jon Jones. It's definitely the Jon Jones era. But it's just an era of so much turmoil. And you want to talk about a guy who had more potential than probably anybody i've ever seen fight at anybody yeah i mean john does the same kind of shit that you were telling me that you do he just makes things up while he's in there just sees things and goes with it like

that thing that he did with glover that overhook where he yanked on his shoulder and fucked up his shoulder gracie lock yeah i mean i don't know if he ever did that in the past before but didn't look like it. It looked like he probably just saw it right there. So let me just yank on this. Yeah. Fuck up his shoulder. Asshole.

John would do crazy shit. Spinning elbows. Man. All that. I mean, he knows how to be loose in there. He knows how to do things. I wonder if Stipe, John. Imagine if you're seeing that.

Damn. I can't believe we're going to see Stipe DC. I can't believe it either, dude. Son. I can't believe it. That's crazy Stipe D.C. I can't believe it either, dude. Son. I can't believe it. Live. I'm more jacked for that fight than any. That's a crazy fight.

That's right. That's the Vegas card. That is a crazy fight. Who wins? Stipe D.C. is very interesting because the last time that we saw Stipe in a fight with a really high-level wrestler was who? Who was the last fight where Stipe fought someone who really knew how to wrestle? Who's it been? I'm trying to think.

Well, he's fought tough guys. He fought Mark Hunt. He fought Junior, who's much more of a boxer. Fabrizio didn't get a shoot. Yeah, Fabrizio didn't. Fabrizio got a tag coming in. So who was the toughest wrestler he fought? If you go back a little bit further, let's see.

Roy Nelson. Roy Nelson didn't really. Roy Nelson, let's be honest, Roy Nelson could fight middleweight. Yeah. Right? He's just an animal. If he wanted to lose that gut, how much would he lose?

Holy smokes, dude. He's probably walking around about 250, right? With that giant crazy belly. My height. Which is part of his trademark. Right. But if he decided to cut weight and just go on some crazy diet and cut out all the bullshit and drain all the fat, what do you think he would weigh? I think he could make 185.

I bet so. Easily 185, dude. Easily, right? That's crazy. That's crazy. Oh, man. The thing is, like, Stipe's a wrestler. He knows what he needs to do.

And, like, we're going to find out, man. He is a wrestler, for sure. But he's not the same caliber of wrestler that Daniel Cormier is. But Daniel Cormier is a legit light heavyweight who has fought successfully at heavyweight and never lost at heavyweight. So it makes it real interesting. Because Daniel, look, Daniel, remember when he fought Josh Barnett and fucking sent him sailing through the air?

Josh is a big fella. And that fucker can grapple, too. He can grapple. He really knows how to grapple. Damn. I mean, that's a big fella and that fucker can grapple to he can grapple. He really knows how to grapple damn I mean, that's a that's a big fucking talk. I forgot Francis and Connor Derek loose Don't blink extraordinaire Dude big Derek wanted this fight. You think so? I think so, dude. Jesus.

You think what? How the fuck would anybody know who was going to win that fight? Kiesa Pettis, man. Dude, go Paulo Costa and Uriah Hall. Oh, what a card this is. That Paulo Costa's a beast. Imagine the lawsuit Kiesa's got going right now. I know.

Because I heard that they were going to give him the Habib fight. Oh, my God. Oh,ib fight. Oh my god. Oh my god. That's terrible. So who knows what could have happened. He upsets Habib. He gets to fight Conor. Who knows? And he had to pull out. Well.

Cha-ching. Cha-ching, dude. Open up the cash register and let's clean this up, Mr. McGregor. Fuck yeah. Mr. McGregor, all you have to do is sign right here at the dotted line. Hold on. Go back to that other card real quick. We're not done. There's still a few in that card.

Ooh, so Chiesa versus Pettis. It's very exciting. How about this, though? Go Kansaki back in the motherfucking mix. Hell yeah. Khalil Roundtree Jr., who's a beast too. That's a fucking crazy wild ass fight. Hooker versus Burns, dude.

That's a good fight there. That Hooker's fun to watch. He is fun to watch. He's a Gilbert to an animal. Yeah, that's a very, very good fight. Very good fight. Hooker is really long, man. Real long, but real physically strong for that weight class too, man. Not just long But fuck man

And he believes in those knees Doesn't he He knocked out Yeah Jim Miller Yeah Who was the other one Ross Pearson

Ross Pearson That and he was so That was beautiful Nasty All of it was beautiful Nasty Very nasty Yeah that's a great card man

Man Rafael Asuncao Versus Rob Font That's a great fight, too. That's a sleeper. Dude, there's some good strikers on that card. Asensio's the last guy to beat TJ before Dominic Cruz beat him. Did he beat him

or was it like a split decision? You look at Asensio's record and you're like, holy shit. Who won? I feel like Asensio won, but I may be wrong. TJ Dillashaw then the unanimous decision loss, it says. So I'm wrong. Beat Marlon.

Oh, no, no, no. No, no. That's UFC 200. They fought before that. They fought before that. Oh, yeah, yeah. And he beat him. Yeah.

Rafael Sonsal, Brian Carraway, TJ Sillisaw. Three down, split decision. So he won. Yeah, that's what it was. So he won a split decision way back in 2013. And then TJ beat him in 2017. Is that what it was. So he won a split decision way back in 2013. And then TJ beat him in 2017. Is that what it was? 16.

TJ. Well, so TJ just got a lot better. Yeah. He's a lot better. What do you think about him possibly moving to flyweight? That's crazy. Man. I don't know why you would want it.

What's a fight, DJ? That makes sense. Dude, yeah. Dude, I opened up the cash register, baby. Let's make it happen. What Demetrius is thinking. That makes sense. Fight DJ. That makes sense. I opened up the cash register, baby. Let's make it happen. You wonder what Demetrius is thinking. Cha-ching. Like, fuck.

I hope he's thinking cha-ching. Yeah, no shit. I hope he realizes that that is a legitimate super fight. If they can promote that shit in advance. Look, Mighty Mouse, I mean, he's technically, for sure, in his ability, he's the best. He's the best I've ever seen. But TJ is the scariest guy that he's ever had a fight. TJ goes down

to 125. If he could do it and be healthy he's the scariest guy Mighty Mouse has ever fought. He's a legit knockout artist at 35. He's super fast. He's sneaky. He's technical. He can wrestle. He's a real good wrestler he's got a hundred percent legit knockout power at 35 what is he going to have at 25 you know i mean tj might be a monster at 25 he can really make it that is a crazy crazy fight i love that

fight i wonder what he walks around at because i remember i cut the 25 once i did not feel like i had power i fought one time at 25 and i felt worse i don't know he insists that he's done it he insists he can make it he's gonna said i know i can make it he looks smaller than he's looked in the past you know he might have been aiming towards it you know working towards it but uh i'm super excited about his rematch the cody garbrandt fight there that'll be there. Woo! That's going to be sweet. That's a very intense fight. That's going to be so sweet.

That's an intense fight. That first one was so sweet. I mean, don't forget, Cody cracked him and dropped him before TJ put him away. That's what made that fight so sick. Oh, it was awesome. That was some real intensity, wasn't it? Fuck yeah, man. Those guys were close training partners, and they probably always knew that this was one

day going to go down, right? Oh, yeah. They always knew. And then Cody released gonna go down oh yeah and then Cody released that video of him knocking out TJ yeah but the thing is he didn't knock him out he dropped him

and TJ was yelling at him right after he dropped like come on come on motherfucker so it wasn't really a knockout it was basically

the same thing that happened in their fight and TJ wound up winning the knockout it really was yeah yeah for real it was a flash knockdown they're both animals though

that's a good fight there, dude. And, you know, Cody's going to be hell-bent on revenge. Oh, yeah, that's going to be a good build-up. Fuck yeah, man. See if Cody comes back better or the same or who knows, you know. Who knows? Who knows? Damn, I'm pumped for that.

Yeah. That's August 4th. All right, dude. It's already 530. Let's wrap this bitch up. It's a long time. Long time for this podcast. But thank you, guys. This is really fun, man. I enjoyed it. I enjoyed it a lot, dude. It's already 5.30. Let's wrap this bitch up. It's a long time. Long time for this podcast. But thank you, guys.

This is really fun, man. I enjoyed it. I enjoyed it a lot, man. Yeah, thank you. This is always... I've been watching you for a long time. This is awesome. Thanks, man.

Like I said, we look up to you a lot, dude, and we're thankful for everything. Well, I appreciate that, but that makes me uncomfortable, so don't say it anymore. It's for real, though. A lot of people do, bro. Look, I'm just a lucky person That has a weird job That allows me To talk to cool people Allows us to learn

Sweet shit from people too Exactly That we enjoy And we learn some Sweet shit from you guys too And best of luck In your continued path I like what you guys

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