The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #40 with Eddie Bravo

Episode Date: September 6, 2018

Joe is joined by Eddie Bravo to talk about the fight world.

Ready? Let's do it. 4, 3, 2, 1. Boom! And we're live. You were just telling me how your son is getting into Bruce Lee. Because we were looking at this... Shout out to...

How do you pronounce his name correctly? Bruce Lee. No, Plasticelle. Plasticelle, dude. I've only seen it written. I don't know which of the two actually made it, Actually made it But yeah Plasticel I believe is the name But I mean How do you pronounce The artist's name

I think Fong Fong Tran Yeah Shout out to Fong This thing is the shit His art is amazing These little

Plasticel things Look at this Rory McDonald How great is that The whole lineup's amazing Yeah I mean those are Biggie

Sunglasses Come off Nothing but legends Legends But yeah You know I wanted How old is your son now He's six now And You hear these The boogie sunglasses come off. Nothing but legends. Legends. But yeah, I wanted... How old is your son now?

He's six now. And you hear these stories constantly about people remembering the first time they saw a Bruce Lee movie. It's so epic. I'll never forget. My dad took me to the theater. Blew my mind. Everyone's got a story. Joey's got his first time he saw Bruce Lee.

So I wanted to make sure I didn't do that too early because then he would forget. Because he forgets special-ass moments we had together from like three years ago. I'm like, you don't remember that? Because he's only five, right? He's six. He's six.

Imagine how quick your brain is growing in that amount of years. He forgot a lot of shit. But anyways, so I thought maybe i'm gonna hit him with i'm gonna sit him down and and and put on enter the dragon and blow his fucking mind but i don't want to do a tour like when do i do it i'm like thinking maybe i i could even wait till he's 10 or 8 or whatever you know but he's been doing karate since he was three so about three years now he's been doing karate since he was three. So about three years now he's been doing karate, and he took a nunchuck workshop class at that. So he's got his little, you know, those padded nunchucks.

He fucking loves those things, man. And I thought, shit, he's getting into the nunchucks. It might be time to drop Bruce Lee on his ass right now. You know what I mean? I don't want him to get twisted. You know what I mean? Because he starts talking about Jackie Chan and shit like that. And I'm like, oh.

Has he seen anybody do it on video or only learn it from a class? This is what happened. So he's all into nunchucks. He's beating me up with them all the time. He loves nunchucks. And I said, oh, then I wore one of those Roots of Fights shirts. And it was Bruce Lee with nunchucks, right? And he looked at my shirt and he said, daddy, who's the guy Lee with nunchucks right and he looked at my shirt and he said

daddy who's the guy with the nunchucks and I thought okay it's time it's time son sit down so you know kids are so easily brainwashed I can get my

kid into Satanism you ever seen this little kid yeah yeah he's amazing he's amazing. He's amazing. He's got the Bruce Lee outfit on and everything. The jumpsuit. This kid's a beast. He's amazing. And he's got the Game of Death sequence down. It says the video is my son, in parentheses,

five-year-old acting Bruce Lee's nunchucka scene. Yeah. He reenacts the whole thing. Note for note. I think he was on America's Got Talent or some shit, too. Wow. I sat him down and I explained to him.

I go, the master of the nunchucks, the number one guy. You know, because like I was saying earlier, you could get kids to believe in anything. You could brain. I could get my son into Satan easily. He'd be all about Luc lucifer boom i got him into the browns quick yeah little kids you know very malleable yeah totally he's he's so into the dodgers because his grandpa is into the dodgers so he's all about the dodgers and i got him into the browns he's all into the browns now too because i mean i could get him into anything right so I sat him down and I said, I'm going to sit you down and I'm going to show you the master of the nunchucks and it's Bruce Lee. He's number one.

He's the greatest martial artist of all time. I broke him and I sat him down and I put him in front of the TV. Dude, you should have filmed this. I did. You filmed the whole thing? You filmed Usain to him? No, I didn't film that, but I filmed him watching Bruce Lee. First, I showed him the greatest nunchuck scenes of all time with Bruce Lee.

You can go to YouTube and there's compilations. They put together the one from the stuff in End of the Dragon, the stuff in Chinese Connection, Way of the Dragon, or Return of the Dragon. And so I sat him down and go, I'm going to blitz him with this shit. I'm going to make sure that whenever he thinks about fucking nunchucks, he knows that Bruce Lee's the master, right?

So he's just completely blown away. Then after I showed him all the nunchuck scenes, I sat him down and I wanted to show him the greatest fight scene of all time, Bruce Lee versus Chuck fucking Norris. Come on, man. So I just wanted to leave that just in his DNA. And I filmed that.

I filmed him watching Chuck Norris and Bruce Lee and he always wants to know. He loves Bruce Lee instantly and he wants to know he loves Bruce Lee instantly and he needs to know who wins the fight so it's like daddy does Bruce Lee win he always wins son he always wins but my natural reaction

because he's constantly asking questions he's constantly does he win my natural reaction would be just watch watch you gotta watch this because it's gonna be sweeter if you watch it and you go through the ups and downs. And he goes, no, daddy, you need to tell me now. And I go, no, you're going to like it more if you just watch it. You go, no, daddy, does Bruce Lee win?

He wants to fucking know. Yeah, man. You don't want to be disappointed. Yeah. Six years old? Yeah, he got completely blown away. So a week later, a week later, I go, today, you're going to watch the greatest

martial arts movie of all time. Enter the Dragon, because it's Bruce Lee, Dad, isn't it? I go, yes, it's Bruce Lee. So we sat him down. We put on... And he can't stop asking fucking questions about every

guy. Okay, Daddy, who are the good guys? And who are the bad guys? Is he a bad guy or is he a good guy? So we got it down. The three main good guys, you know, Bruce Lee is the main good guy. Williams, I was... God damn it, his name escapes me. The black famous martial artist.

Jim Kelly, Jim Kelly. Wow, I forgot about Jim Kelly. Yeah, Jim Kelly's awesome. And he did die in the movie, which, I mean, they were doing that shit back then. You know what I mean? They were killing good guys. And then Roper, John Saxon, he was the third good guy. That's right, John Saxon.

Yeah, it was Roper, Williams, and Bruce Lee. And they were all, they were the good guys. And the bad guys, do you remember the bad guys' names? No. Han was the dude on the top left. He's the- He's the guy with the claws former Shaolin monk who went bad and started selling heroin on this

island and and and and prostitution rings and all that completely forgot the plot of this movie are you kidding me yeah it's the greatest fucking I remember watching it but it is you know I didn't take it seriously. I always thought it was fun. I always looked at it not like, holy shit, we're going to see this wild action movie. I always thought of it as because by the time I watched it, it was kind of campy. I'm sure I watched it when I was a little

kid, but I don't remember it too much. Yeah, you gotta go back and watch the whole thing because that's most people's common reaction. You just remember the scene with Han with the razor hand. That's all I remember. He had a razor hand. He had a common reaction. You remember the scene with Han with the razor hand? That's all I remember. He had a razor hand. He had a claw hand.

You remember Bolo Young and they're fighting outside in the tournament? You remember all that shit? You remember Williams getting killed? They hung him. You remember Williams fighting Han? There's certain scenes everyone will remember and you just forget about the little scenes in the plot so I sit down my son

I sit down my son and we're watching this and his mom's like it's appropriate for a six year old right it's not going to get too crazy I go it's fine it's just a bunch of karate it's fine so she's all like hmm so we're sitting there and he can't stop asking goddamn questions.

He can't stop asking goddamn questions. The bad guys are Hans, the main guy, O'Hara, Bob Wall. Remember him? Everybody remembers he had the scar on his face. And everyone remembers that he was, him and his gang were chasing Bruce Lee's sister in the movie, and they cornered her, and she had to kill herself. She just killed herself before they could rape her or whatever. People remember that.

That's another classic scene. But you don't think about all the shit in between, man. Because the plot of the story is Han lives on an island, and he does a lot of illegal shit. He runs heroin and prostitution through his island, right? And he has a tournament like once a year and he invites all the greatest martial artists

on earth and he tries to recruit them. He sits them all down and he shows them his underground like underground operation going on you know what i mean so he tried to talk roper into it he tried to talk williams into it that's right and uh roper almost went for it because he was kind of he's a good guy but he was like a gambler you know what i mean he's kind of shady but at the end he's like fuck this i ain't gonna do this shit so that's what he doesn't and he called him Bruce Lee, too. And he was going to try to recruit Bruce Lee. But the CIA got a hold of Bruce Lee first.

Yes. Seriously. So they get a hold of Bruce Lee and they sit him down in a dark room and they're playing a projector. And they're showing, you know, they want Bruce Lee to go in there undercover to uncover all the... Karate fights. The crime and all the stuff that was going on. What else were they doing? Selling drugs?

Yes, drugs and prostitution. And doing mind control on... So I'm sitting there watching it. He wants to know who the bad guys are. Bolo's a bad guy. O'Hara, who's Bob Wall's a bad guy. And then Han's the main bad guy. Bolo's a bad guy. O'Hara, who's Bob Wall, is a bad guy. And then Han's the main bad guy. So he's constantly asking questions.

And then, boom, you forget about the scenes where Han has like a madam and he's got all these hookers. There's a hooker scene. You forget about the hooker scene. They send like five girls to Williams, who's a good guy, and Roper to try to corrupt them. You know what I mean? And, boom, as soon as they're all in their gowns and robes, and Williams is like in a robe, and I grabbed the remote and just started hitting fast forward. And my son's like, what's going on here?

What's going on here, Dad? Why are you fast forward? I'm like, nothing's going on. What are they doing? They're getting ready to go to sleep. Just forget about that scene. Boom. You forget that there's a...

Is this the scene? There it is right there. And there's titties and everything. But... Yeah, he was blown away and mission accomplished. Bruce Lee's number one to him. But I made a mistake.

Next week, I made him sit down and watch Return of the Dragon, which the end scene was a great scene with Chuck Norris and the old Rome Coliseum, but the whole movie before that is so bad. It's so bad. And Bruce Lee, he directed it and wrote it and it's atrocious. It's so bad. Except for the end.

But it's like high school kids put together that movie. It's terrible. I'm going to have to go back and watch it. You know what we should do? We should do a fight companion. And watch End of the Dragon? That would be fucking great, dude. Are you kidding? Come on, man. A fight companion and watch end of the dragon that would be fucking great dude are you kidding come on man a fight companion and watch look at this look at this scene so there it takes place in italy his uh one of his like i think his uncle or just or just somebody he knows has a

chinese restaurant in italy and the mob, these guys, these are the goons, they're trying to run them out of business and control their business or pay them off to take the building or something and they're resisting in Italy. So they send Bruce Lee from Hong Kong to

handle the mob in Italy. So corny. It's fucking bad, dude. So what do you think happened? You think Bruce Lee was just partying too much? Doing a little blow? Having a good time out in the town? Beating a big Hollywood star?

Puts together this movie? And he just got a little crazy with it? You know what? This is before he blew up, though. This is because he did this movie. He did Big Boss, Chinese Connection, and this one was his third one. And then after this is when Warner Brothers came in and signed him. That's when they did End of the Dragon.

That was his last one. End of the Dragon had a budget. This didn't have really any budget. This is just cheap Chinese production. It's crazy when you think that there was really no one like him before him. Look at there's Chuck Norris waiting for him. He gives him the thumbs down. You know, when you think about,

there was no kind of movies like this before this. This fight scene, greatest fight scene, worst movie. How about the grab of the chest hair? Pulls a chunk of it out. Look at that. Oh, shit, I got your chest hair, bitch. I mean, it's funny watching it with no volume, too, because it's so corny. It looks so fake.

And it's all overdubbed, and it's god-awful. But dude, his martial arts technique, especially when you think about the fact that this was, what, 1974? That was like 71. 71? It was probably released in 76 But he died in 73 He had incredible technique Like really good technique

Like his kicking technique Especially for back then You know I think Because of the YouTube and shit There's so many guys out there That are doing like These jump spinning 360 wheel kicks There was some guy that

Winkle John Jackson had on his Instagram page. And it's a Korean gentleman doing some fucking ridiculous shit. Just like jumping 360-degree wheel kicks and a series of cartwheels flying through the air and doing all these things. Like none of this was ever in the movies before, you know, until like when? Like maybe Jet Li, I guess? No, Ong Bak, right? Because they're a next level in terms of like athleticism.

I mean, there's that crouching tiger head and dragon. Right. I mean, that's all like mystical. Yeah, that's magical. This guy's actually doing this. This is just a video of him. He starts out normal, throws like a bunch of front kicks, throws a bunch of side kicks, and then he starts doing jumping wheel kicks, 360 wheel kicks, tornado kicks.

He's just fucking flying through the air and flipping through the air. Aerial cartwheel kicks. You're like, whoa. People can do shit now. And they do stuff in martial arts films. The technique's just way better they're just way better they just got better at it

can you put that that fight scene back up with Bruce Lee and Chuck Norris see if you can find that video first while you're looking for it just while we're talking about like the one the one thing about Bruce Lee

with all the pads and he flies up no no no no it's just a guy throwing kicks in the air he's just throwing kicks in the air it's on the

Jackson Wink yeah it's Jackson Winklejohn I just looked at Instagram page. Oh this guy's doing it in MMA No, no, he's doing it in the air. I was doing in the air which of their pages Is he planning to use it in them and then the top one Jackson wink MMA that one check that one out There's a Korean dude if you keep going down. I don't know if he's planning on using it in MMA My fuck is it? God damn it. I didn't see anything. Hmm.

Maybe they were commenting on it? Fuck. Somebody had it up. Sorry. Anyway. But with Bruce Lee fight scenes, what I like about him is you could see him, although him beating up 50 guys at a time, how real can that be? But he does, on one-on-one fights, he does a lot of feinting. He'll do boxing stuff.

He'll do wrestling. He'll do jujitsu. You see him mix it up, and he's trying to make it a lot more realistic. Then you have your classic kung fu theater type movies where they're just. You're like, that shit just gets old. Those movies are so crazy. Bruce Lee will dance around. He'll throw a jab, fade, kick you in the leg, fake low, go high, and knock you out.

He does that against Chuck Norris in Way of the Dragon. And if you go back to 1970, that kind of martial art technique, he was amazing. He was also the first guy that figured out how to put a bunch of martial arts together. And just forget about I'm judo, you're karate and forget about that. Just, just, just use everything that works. Everything from everywhere.

That was heresy back then. I mean, he might've been, um, uh, he may have been the first guy to do that. Really? I mean,

one of for sure. One of for sure. Yeah. He's without a doubt. Like I think there's two, arguably two of the most important figures ever in martial arts. I think he might be number one, and the other one is Elio Gracie. You really think about it?

It's one guy, tries to figure out how to beat men who are bigger than him, has a bunch of kids, they all turn out to be fucking savage killers. Yeah. I mean, what are the odds? Yeah, a bunch of kids. They all turn out to be fucking savage killers. I mean, what are the odds? That's the craziest family of all time. Craziest family of all time. And if you think about it in a good way, crazy in the best way possible with a hundred percent respect.

I mean, Hickson, Hoyce, Hoyler, Helson, you know, what the fuck? And there was different sides. And even the Gracies had, you know, conflict within each other. It's crazy. But all assassins. Yeah. A family of super assassins. And then Hoist, who's another, I mean, it's almost like Hoist, although it came from Elio,

he's almost as important. If he doesn't win that first Ultimate Fighting Championship, we don't get the same impact. Yeah. He has to win. Imagine if he would have lost the first fight. What if he got head kicked? Yeah. What if he got in there with some guy who's done this before and he gets head kicked?

Patrick Smith could have fucked him up. Fuck yeah, he could have. Yeah, he could have fucked him up. That could have been if the lineups were different. That could have happened. Dude, are you kidding? The Hoist Gracie movie and it ends after UFC 2. It ends.

Patrick Smith, that's the perfect ending right there. Did he ever? He fought Patrick Smith. Didn't Hoist fight Patrick Smith? Yeah, he choked him out. He choked him out. He choked him or he armbarred him. Was it the second time they were in the UFC together?

No. It was the first one. Yeah. No, it was UFC 2. Hoist was on one side of the bracket. Pat Smith was on the other side. You know, black, you know, killer Muay Thai guy. Fucking like what he did to Scott Morris.

The ninja guy. Yeah. Dude. Man, that's a movie. That's a movie right there. UFC 2 is a goddamn movie. Well, Patrick Smith was a real, legit, top-level kickboxer. Like, he was a real dangerous kickboxer.

You watch his striking. I mean, that guy was explosive, super powerful, and ruthless, man. When he got on top of that dude and was elbowing him into oblivion, that shit was ruthless. Back when they didn't know exactly when to stop a fight, they weren't sure. Yeah, they just let it go. Big John was like, the guy's still alive. Yeah. Yeah, but the point is, Hoist did win.

He didn't get kicked. He took the guys down, choked them all out, and all of us were like, what? And then it's almost, if you go to martial arts, you look at the whole history of martial arts, and then you hit 1993, and it goes like this. It's like, it would be the craziest rise in the stock market you could ever see. You'd have to investigate. You'd have to be like, what the fuck happened here?

Such an explosion. And it was UFC too. UFC won, no one really watched. They didn't have any B-roll. I remember seeing a preview for it and I would watch all boxing events, no matter what. I was a boxing fanatic. I didn't miss any of those big fights ever even the small

tuesday night fights i i recorded that on my vcr always taped boxing events never missed them but i didn't i didn't watch that i go you know what i thought it looks like it might be fake i thought it may be like a fight zone remember fight zone uh a little wwe but try to make it look, you know, more martial arts oriented. But so I didn't watch it. And then you end up, you know, you end up hearing shit that that was real. And I'll never forget. My roommate came home from Guitar Center and he said, man, that UFC thing, that UFC challenge, that shit's for real, man.

I go, really? And I was doing karate at the time. And I go, was there a karate guy in there he goes yeah but he got beat by some i think he was iranian man he was just choking everybody out he would just i go he was choking everybody out what do you mean he would just grab their throat goes dude yeah he would just grab the fucking throat some iranian guy and he would choke he choked everybody out that's what the guy told me a guitar center like holy shit karate too i'm like fuck maybe i'm doing the wrong style and then the ufc ufc2 came out and i remember i told my same roommate he was staying home it was on the weekend and i

was going out um on the town and i remember calling him say hey dude that ufc2 that ufc challenge thing is on tape. Because he was going to stay home with his girlfriend. He taped it. I got home, watched that motherfucker on tape. I couldn't stand Hoist Gracie that first half of the show. I just wanted him to lose so bad. When he fought Minoki Ichihara, he was a karate guy to me.

That was my hero. I mean, I was doing karate for six months, man. You know what I mean? I was all about karate. I didn't want hoist to beat him but then but by the time we got to the finals i was a gigantic hoist fan i go you know what i got to learn this jujitsu and i just quit karate and and um found uh the machados in the valley it is really crazy when you think about what would have happened if that didn't take place like Like, what would have happened if Horian never put together the first Ultimate Fighter, right? It was partly his idea and Art Davies.

Yeah. What would have happened if that didn't happen? Where would martial arts be? Would it be inevitable? Would somebody figure it out? Would Japan have figured it out? We would have figured it out eventually because... Maybe.

Yeah, because the jiu-jitsu would have eventually grew out of Brazil. There's no way you could have stopped. But the way it grew. Yeah, that was a huge explosion, but it would have got out eventually. But maybe, for sure, not with the same impact. Yeah, but see, like forever, wrestlers were like... When you think about MMA, right now, wrestling is a giant skill, right?

A Mark Coleman type wrestler, a big, powerful wrestler who could take you down and beat you up from the top, that's giant. That was always the case, but we didn't think of that. When you thought of boxing versus wrestling or karate versus wrestling, nobody thought wrestlers have a giant advantage. Nobody thought that. You would think, oh, the karate guy would probably fuck him up up yeah catch him with a karate chop knee on the way in or something like that i wrestled i never thought wrestling was a martial art at all to me it was

one-on-one football right i'd never looked at it but and i would use it to cheat in fights because i'd get in a fight in high school i would just i would double leg him dude and just fucking get side twist your side control and punch him in the stomach. Beat him up, hold him down. Yeah. But I figured I was cheating, but I didn't care. I mean, it is not a martial art in that it has finishing holds of its own. Because most of it is just taking people down and holding them down and getting back up.

But if you can master that, that is like one of the most important aspects of martial arts. I mean, and we never thought about it that way it took forever it's almost like it took the ufc to show that yeah took the ufc to show that over and over again and i really worry or wonder rather what would have happened if the ufc in 93 had never been invented because if there was never any kind of a tournament like that that threw all these fighters together in a real organized way, and you got real top level guys from each discipline eventually making their way into the UFC. What the fuck, man? Martial arts would be still back in the 1980s.

Yeah. Yeah. We'd have some idea what worked and some idea what, you know, don't try this. In Japan, they were doing pancreas. Right. They were doing like shito. In Japan, they were doing Pancrase. Right. And they were doing like Shudo. What year did they start doing Pancrase? I think they were doing it at early 90s.

So like the Boss Rootin', Frank Shamrock, Ken Shamrock days, Matt Hume was in it back then. What years were those? That's hard. When was Pancrase 1 first aired? Founded in 93. Founded in what month does it say? 93. Damn, because that was the first UFC too.

November of 93 was the first UFC. So it all basically happened around the same time. So is it possible that in November of 93 they see the UFC and then immediately Pancrase starts a few weeks later and it's still 93 it was established on May 16th 1993 and their first event was promoted on September 21st so

and then September and what was the UFC in 93 November November crazy so right before the UFC so neither one of them had been on air when they both started, or they were both putting it together. It was at the same time.

So maybe the idea was in the air. Maybe it was in the air, bro. Do you believe in that? The idea's just out there in the air? That is pretty crazy. But the fighters in Pancrase, they didn't have the jiu-jitsu that the Brazilians had. There was a big difference. There was a lot of leg locks going on back then.

Remember? Yeah. Was that Ken Shamrock's influence? Or was that, there was a lot of Japan, like, catch wrestling influence, right? Like, from Carl Gotch and... Yeah, Japan's always been into leg locks. Billy Robinson. Yeah.

They've always been, like like the Sakuraba style. That's very catch-oriented, right? Yes. Yes. Yeah, for those who don't know what we're talking about. Catch as catch can. But make no mistake about it. The ground fighting was just on another level.

You could say whatever the hell you want. But when you watch Alan Gose fighting Pancrase against Frank Shamrock, man, you see the difference in jujitsu back then. That was a big, big difference. Alan goes was all over Frank Shamrock. Frank Shamrock is a bad motherfucker. You know what I mean? You know, he'd only been training for a couple of years. Yeah.

He's just crazy. Yeah. He was fighting against guys like boss rooting when he had been training for like a couple of years. Yeah. Yeah. I remember how jacked they were. Like, Jesus. Anytime a Brazilian.

Go to speedos. Yeah. Anytime a Brazilian would go against your average pancreas guy. Yeah. There's a clear difference in the ground fighting. Yeah. Clear difference. What?

They had three pancreas events before that first UFC. Really? Whoa. Wow. Ken Shamrock was in all four events. Whoa. What was that? Yeah. And what would you say in all? Ken Shamrock was in all four events. What was that? And what would you say in all? Ken Shamrock was in all of them.

Interesting. Yeah, so look at that. Bam. It says that the pancreas thing came out of a wrestling organization in Japan where they were having problems with predetermined outcomes. Oh, so they decided to have actual fights funaki interesting yeah and then you look at hickson

versus funaki big big fucking difference in grappling oh you know what i mean big difference big as it gets yeah so you could see that so what the ufc did Pancrase didn't do, and mainly because nobody in the Western Hemisphere even knew what the fuck it was. It was a Japanese thing. So it's going to be hard to change the world when you're only televised in Japan. And back then, you had to get like someone had to mail you a VHS tape. You know what I mean? You had to go to weird

Japanese stores and see that. But the UFC made it clear that the Brazilians were doing a form of ground fighting that was beyond and more sophisticated than what

we were seeing in Japan or anywhere else in the world. Nobody knew half the shit they were doing. Sambo had it down. Sambo had some good shit. And judo, yes. Judo, most, if not all, Brazilian jiu-jitsu moves, I mean, have been done in judo. And actually, they came from judo. We know that.

The Japanese know that. But a lot of American judo guys We know that. The Japanese know that. But a lot of American judo guys, they can't seem to grasp that. They're like, you know, Gracie's ripped off Nuwaza. It's all about Nuwaza. There was a sect of judo where they did focus on the ground. And that's all true. But the major difference is the Brazilians they wanted to do a style where there wasn't a time limit on the ground in judo you could only fight on the

ground for I don't know 30 seconds it's it's limited it's not that much time so when you don't have that much time there's a lot of shit you don't need to waste your time drilling because you're only going to be down there for 30 seconds. You need to focus on the moves that work in 30 seconds. And that's it. You don't have time to set shit up and be patient and relax. You can't clinch and catch your breath. You got it.

It's got to you got to go into it. So what the Brazilians did is just allowed the fight to unfold on the ground and not have any stand-ups and just let them fight on the ground. And when that happens, there's a lot, there's so much more you can do when there's no time limit on the ground. Not like no time, I mean, you know, they're not gonna, without stand-ups,

where you could just, most of the matches takes place on the ground. The game just evolves so quickly and so rapidly and that you can't compare. Like Japanese guys come down to Brazil and they've been doing judo their whole life and they get smoked by Brazilians. That always happens in the world championships. The Brazilians are just on the ground all day, you know, and the guys that do judo, they're on the ground a little bit. They're never going to be able to compete in a sport where there's no standups, you know and the guys that do judo they're on the ground a little bit they're never going to be able to compete in a sport where there's no stand-ups you know so to say that uh brazilian

jiu-jitsu is just judo it's that's um you got to think about it you got to really break it down because it's yeah it's ridiculous it's. There's so many silly connections that people have to arts. You know, I mean, there's people that legitimately think that white people shouldn't be able to teach karate because it's cultural appropriation because it's a Japanese art. There's people that think that's stupid. You know, I think all of it's martial arts now. I mean, I think the roots and the bases are very important to recognize that, you know, hey, you know, Brazil did do a crazy thing with jiu-jitsu. Hey, the Thais did do a crazy thing with leg kicks and elbows, knees. There's really some people that have contributed to martial arts in this really insane way. lead of the elites like the bull cows and the sanchez and the marcelo garcias and the jacques

like all these people that highlight it on in each art they're all like super super important but overall it all comes into one thing and that's that's martial arts i think martial arts it's really um at this point it's really i mean ultimately, ultimately it's one thing now. Ultimately, like when you think about UFC, when you think about just Bruce Lee movies, what is it? Like what's the best way to fight? It's all together now. It's all combined because the best way is not just wrestling. It's wrestling with ferocious striking.

It's wrestling with leg kick defense. It's wrestling with submission holds. striking. It's wrestling with leg kick defense. It's wrestling with submission holds. It's all these different things. You have to have all these things. You can't just be one thing anymore. It's interesting to be from one discipline, but it's like what if your kid is coming up right now and he's like your son's age and he starts to learn martial arts techniques. I think by the time he gets to be our age, it's just going to be martial arts. People are just going to be taking martial arts techniques. I think by the time he gets to be our age, it's just going to be martial arts.

People are just going to be taking martial arts. I don't think there's going to be as many specialists in the future. And I think that's probably a shame. But who's going to want, from a guy who did Taekwondo his whole life, who's going to want to do that now? Yeah, but when you're talking about jiu-jitsu, most people that do jiu jujitsu are not doing it or they don't stay in it for the long haul and make it a lifestyle for the self-defense aspects. Right.

They don't. No. They go in there because they're playing a video game and they're staying in shape. Right. They're playing a game of death, virtual reality video game, trying to get taps trying to get uh tap that much you know so dude most of the guys in in you know that most of my students they're just like you know super nice sweetheart uh computer geeks just just the nicest guys they're not in there they're in there just to play yeah well there's a big difference between, we've talked about this before,

but the big difference between guys who train together with jiu-jitsu versus guys who train together with kickboxing is the kickboxing people, they fucking hurt each other all the time. Like, bad. They're beating each other up. They're kicking each other,

punching each other and shit. Jiu-jitsu guys tap each other out and they're like, oh, I'm gonna get you back, bitch. But it's okay. Everybody's okay. And you're going 100%. You got me, you got me. That's the beauty of it you we get to the the reason why

jujitsu is uh it's i mean opening up a jujitsu school like in in in society today is like one of the safest bets out there every it gets so addicting you can't download jujitsu you can't pirate jujitsu you know you are sparring rather you know you you can't download jujitsu. You can't pirate jujitsu, you know, you are sparring rather, you know, you, you can't, you have to go to a place and you have to go to a place where there's a

bunch of different, and the more people there are, the better, the more variety of roles you can get. Cause you don't want to just roll with the same guy all the time. You want to mix it up, mix your style with that guy's style. Go with a new guy who doesn't know your secret moves.

And you go, you like going with new dudes where your, your setups work because the guys that you've been rolling with for a while they smell out all your setups and now you got to come up with new setups and then you got to figure out a different way around this problem it's just um it's just too much fun man it's it's so addicting and it has nothing to do with not i wouldn't say nothing but uh you know you do enjoy um the the self-defense aspects like if anything went down it you it makes you feel better in certain situations like you're not uh as worried about uh things as you might be if you didn't know if you didn't know martial arts you know the one thing that uh i'm gonna start doing once I'm totally healed again is I'm going to start kickboxing.

Yeah. Yeah, because I just see too many Instagram videos of dudes getting fucking lit up. I'm like, you know what? It's a good idea. Once a week. You know, and I'm not going to make a big deal out of it. Maybe once a week at tops. Once a week.

Did you see that video? Just to go in there and just. Did you see that video i put up on instagram today no from draca it's like uh i think it's draca underscore junior is the the instagram account it's a crazy russian account and it's uh two on one russian fighting a giant dude and two like normal size guys yeah look at this give me some volume jamie Give me some volume, Jamie This is crazy Both these guys

They're about 160 And the other guy Looks like he's about 300 fucking pounds Look at this Look how he's ragdolling These dudes Oh shit

Those knees Fuck This guy's giant, man He's so much bigger Than these two dudes Oh, look at this He's a beast Holy shit He's got good cardio too For a giant fucking dude. He's so much bigger than these two dudes. Oh, look at this. He's a beast. Holy shit.

He's got good cardio, too, for a giant fucking dude. This is the white Kimbo. Yeah. Look, he's good leg kick checking. He's got technique. He's not just a giant dude. They're not faking it, right? No, man.

They're beating the fuck out of each other. Look, he's hitting this fucking guy hard. Oh! Wheel kick. This is crazy. I mean, this is not a smart thing for the little dudes. Because the problem is they don't have the horsepower. They're not going to be able to take him out.

Too many videos on Instagram where dudes are getting lit up. You've got to have the ability to knock somebody out if you had to and not do jiu-jitsu. There's many situations where in a real life altercation getting on the ground is not the best idea and being able to

light someone up or like three dudes. No way you're going to be three dudes with jiu-jitsu. And it happens. You see it on videos. It's like a myth. It's like a mythical thing. You can't beat multiple attackers. Yes, you fucking can. You could with your striking. If there was three dudes and they were starting shit, you're like, okay, I'm going to knock this motherfucker out first.

And then hopefully one dude will start running. And then I'll fucking clean up the second guy or whatever. But to have your level of striking is important. It's important. You know what's important? It's important if you think that someone might be hitting you. Like if you think someone, this motherfucker looks like he's going to swing on me. Like I've got a feeling like he's going to swing on me.

Yeah. And there's that moment when you're in a heightened sense of danger. If you don't understand space, like that's a real big thing. One of the things about sparring that's really important is that you you know when you're safe and when you're not safe and you like a lot of people don't know They don't know when they can hit someone when someone can hit them Yeah And if if someone thinks if you think someone's gonna hit you and you can't get some space between they you have to be ready And you have to understand you have to have someone have swung on you before so as you're seeing shit coming you got to be able to oh his back leg is going okay i see his weight

dipping oh the right hand's coming in you know like there's a there's you have to know certain patterns otherwise you lock up that's the scariest thing you ever see in a fight is dudes like things start swinging and they just lock up because they don't know what they don't know where it's coming from they don't know what's happening. That's the most dangerous. It's almost more important for defense than it is for anything. Because half the time if you were ever in a fight with someone and they start just swinging at you, if you have good defense, you just stand there with your hands up and you wait. You just wait.

Let them swing. Let them swing. Keep moving. You wait. You wait. How long are you going to be able to do this? What do you got, 30 seconds in you? Yeah. How long do you got? You just wait. You You wait. You wait. How long are you going to be able to do this? What, you got 30 seconds in you? Yeah.

How long you got? You just wait. You just wait. And then all of a sudden you see a little of this. And you're like, oh. Oh. Oh, now you're tired. You don't really know how to fight.

You just wanted to hit me. Well, now we're going to fight. And now you're tired. Someone didn't do a sprint. Well, not just that. You don't know what to do. You lock up. And you're like, ah, ah, ah, ah.

People think that they can do that to people. People that don't know how to fight blow their load. They just blow their wad. If a guy like Joe Schilling is in a street fight, that would be like the most terrifying thing in the world. Like if you don't know and you fuck up. He got in some crazy street fight after one of his kickboxing fights recently. Oh, shit. In some other country.

and you fuck up. He got in some crazy street fight after one of his kickboxing fights recently. In some other country. But a guy like that, first of all, he can fuck you up before you can fuck him up. But second of all, if he decides to just take his time with you, you're going to get into this place of doom.

This place of doom where you're exhausted and you've been trying to hurt him. So he has everything within his right to crush you. And you know that. And now you're tired. Yeah. But the one thing that you notice in all these fight videos and scuffles on Instagram is that a lot of times it just seems like you got you got time to to throw a couple punches and you got to get the fuck out. Especially when it's multiple attackers.

You got to figure out which dude you're going to hit first. There's going to be another one. And usually that third guy runs. It looks like he's like, oh shit, he's out. But if he stays, damn, it's one-on-one now. You just knock two dudes out. Now it's one-on-one. And if you got Joe Schilling typeilling type skills boom that's where it all

comes in right now but it's almost better to just have wrestling and boxing in a street fight you don't really want to catch that's what bruce lee was preaching after all the shit after everything he all the kung fu he grew up with he got to the states and he realized holy shit this wing chung isn't working on these tall white boys. So he learned really quick. When you think about a fight in a street, you close quarters. I mean, maybe you could be able to throw a kick. Maybe you could throw a knee. He said in 1959, he said, a dude who's been wrestling and boxing for one year can beat a lifelong martial artist.

It's true. Yeah. It's true in a lot of ways. If a guy doesn't know takedown defense and a guy doesn't know how to actually box. Dude, I remember when I first started doing, first started learning boxing and kickboxing from all my years of doing Taekwondo.

And I threw punches in Taekwondo, but I had a crazy distorted perception of my ability with my hands. Like I thought I'd be able, I was like, I know how to strike, but I didn't know how to strike. I just knew how to do Taekwondo. I was good at that.

And when I started kickboxing, I was getting lit up, especially when you're in a ring, you can't go anywhere. You're trapped in this ring. Does Taekwondo have a reverse punch? Yeah, it's got reverse punch.

It's got, you know, it's got all these, it's got hand techniques, but when you fight in tournaments, everything is below the neck for punches. So everything is below here. It's just the body for punches.

And you can kick to the head and you can kick to the body and you can't kick to the legs. So all it does is make you really good at kicking. That's what it really does. But the distance is all fucked up. And then I realized that once I started doing kickboxing, oh, my distance is all fucked up. And then I realized that like once I started doing kickboxing, like, Oh, my distance is so fucked up because when I think I'm safe, I'm good. Still get punched in the face. And if they crowd me,

they get punched in the face and I can't kick them. Like my distance is all messed up. And then it's also way easier to punch me than I thought it was. So I had to learn. And in learning, it was fucking super humbling, man. Super humbling.

Cause I went from being someone who i considered myself like an elite striker like i was on a national level for taekwondo i i fought in a lot of national tournaments i could i fought like a bunch of guys were really good and i hung in there with them i thought it was really good just regular kickboxers were beating the fuck out of me just beating my ass dude just getting me in the corner jabbing me hooking off the jab right hand i'm like oh no this is terrible isn't it isn't it weird for sure taekwondo has got the best uh spinning kicks and all that shit yeah it's got some really good kicks yeah the side kick is the best kick for sure best uh you know the best uh version of the side kicks the taekwondo isn't

weird that the heads of the Taekwondo Association, whatever it's called, they can't admit that their hands suck, you know what I mean? They can't admit it. You would think that the heads would say, you know what, shit. Maybe we should do, maybe we should add

Western boxing to this shit, you know what I mean? Some of them do, I'm sure. Some of them do. The heads don't. You would think it's so traditional like they won't change it it's crystal clear it's crystal clear yeah that the best hands are western boxing hands it's crystal clear yeah the world knows this but at the top like you don't like even in the karate associations or kung fu associations they they won't alter the style, right? Right. Well, you know, one thing that is interesting is karate at least emphasizes the idea of punching things without gloves on.

Because there is a difference. There's a pretty big difference between punching things with gloves on and without gloves on. And one of the things that karate figured out a long time ago is you've got to condition your knuckles. Condition your hands and condition your knuckles. They never had that even, I mean, I guess maybe some people had it in Taekwondo, but it was never anything in my organization where they had like a makawara,

which is like a, if you don't know what we're talking about, there's a board with rope wrapped around it. It's hard rope and they just fucking smack, just punch that rope until their knuckles became like. Calloused? My friend John Lee, who i told you about he was the guy that i saw kick the bag for the first time and bend it in half yeah national champion he was a monster he had one hand where he only had one knuckle his first two knuckles

were just one it was one giant knot it wasn't it wasn't like my hand looks like with two distinct knuckles it was just a boulder over there. What did he do? All from punching bricks. He would just break bricks with his knuckles. And he would practice. And it works. So that shit works.

Oh, yeah. You get mad, mad arthritis when you get older. Oh, really? Oh, shit. It is so not good to just beat on a joint until it calluses up like that. Forget that. Yeah. I mean, this is what I heard.

Maybe that's a fake rumor, too. But a lot of those guys that did that, they would practice on macawaras and on bricks and just constantly be punching bricks. Yeah. So John had hands where he could legitimately punch someone very hard and not worry about it with a bare knuckle, whereas a lot of people, man, your hand is way weak. Think about what your hand is. Like move your hand around like this.

Think about all these little parts. This is the worst thing you want to hit somebody with. That's why this elbows are so much better. Elbows are so much better. Your palms even better. This is crazy. This thing articulates and it moves. This is for piano.

It's not for Hulk smash. Look at this. Oh, shit. Thoughts of Makiwara. Is that a guy's arthritis from using the Makiwara? There was a style. His knuckles. Jesus Christ.

Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Nice. There was a style that did address weaknesses in a bunch of styles. Do you remember? address weaknesses in a bunch of styles and just do you remember um and then i forget who formed it but he formed a style that had the best of what he thought of like five systems kaju kembo remember that kaju kembo who is karate uh jew maybe jujitsu or judo, Kajuk, and then Kempo Karate. Is that Bart Vail? And Bo, no.

And Bo for boxing. So it was boxing, karate, judo, and Kempo Karate. Do you remember Bart Vail? Yeah. Dude, Bart Vail was another guy who was like a pioneer of MMA that people seemed to have forgot about. Kajuk Kempo. I can't believe I just remembered him. Oh, look at that. Oh, you know what?

A little bit of Wing Chun, a little bit of side kicking. Yeah. Google Bart Vail. He was one of the early guys, man. I fucking completely forgot about him. He was a big giant dude, too. He was a shoot fighter. Yeah, he fought.

That's right. He fought fucking Kim Shamrock in Pancrase. Look at this. Yeah. And this was before the UFC, fighter. Yeah, he fought, that's right, he fought fucking Cam Shamrock in Pancrase. Look at this. And this was before the UFC, too. Yeah. These guys used to, they had, the open slap was interesting, too, right? They weren't allowed to punch each other, but they were allowed to open slap. Like, how weird is that?

So strange watching these old, old old fights look how big fucking bart vale is compared to ken shamrock who's a big fucking dude man he always had american flag shorts on right yeah the one thing we failed to mention that that we should bring up is um whether or not hori and gracie or art davy were influenced by pancreas or not Horian Gracie or Art Davey were influenced by Pancrase or not like what came out first a few months later what in Brazil they were doing that shit since like the 20s and 30s and 40s yeah

right so really it probably all started in Brazil if you break it down like that I mean Helio Gracie was fighting what in the 40s or the 50s or something? And Carlson Gracie took over like in the 60s. It was huge in Brazil. So not only did Brazil

not only is Brazil responsible for the level of grappling in the world today, it's for sure the Brazilians gotta have all the credit for that. For sure. Come on, man. Yeah.

I mean, what year was the- But also MMA. They were doing Vale Tudo. Vale Tudo is old school. The Brazilians, for some reason, I don't know what it was, but they figured out a lot of good shit. Right. That Hicks and Gracie match when he was 18 against Zulu. They figured out acai.

Are you kidding me? You go to Ubatuba right there on Ventura? You ever go there? No. That's the kind of, because all these little pussy ass little juice shops try to have acai. They don't do it right. The way Ubatuba does it is exactly the way you get it in Brazil. So goddamn good.

What is this? 1920s? Fighting side shows called Vale Tudo became popular in Brazilian circuses during the 1920s. Jesus Christ. So they were doing this before they found jiu-jitsu. And jiu-jitsu, they just figured it, like made them see the last piece of the puzzle.

They were already doing it before 1920? I think Helio started, I think Helio was doing jiu-jitsu in the 20s 14 or something when did Maeda come to Brazil that's a good question when did I thought that was in the what year did Helio Gracie because Carlos Gracie learned first what year did Carlos Gracie first learn jiu-jitsu count Maeda right it was count Maeda when did he first meet Carlos Gracie it's's amazing, man. Again, think about the billions of people on the planet.

These two people don't meet. If one guy doesn't teach another guy judo, the whole world's different. Yeah. Fucking crazy. Yeah. Fucking crazy. Yeah. Really crazy.

And then what country did he go to? Did he go to Norway or did he go to Germany? No, no. He went to this place where they're already doing this. He comes down and teaches them judo at a place where they're already getting wild. They're already having these wild ass fights. And he figures out how to get it to the craziest family. Or. In the best way possible.

Or maybe. Using the word craziest. I mean. So he's about 15. So it would have been 1917. 1917. Yes. So maybe they learned jujitsu and. They immediately started having fights. Exactly. Maybe. Maybe. Maybe. Maybe. Maybe. Maybe. Maybe. Maybe. Maybe. Maybe. Maybe. Maybe. Maybe. Maybe. Maybe. Maybe. have been 1917. Yes. So maybe they learned jiu-jitsu and maybe-

They immediately started having fights. Exactly. Maybe Valley Tudor- Who invented Valley Tudor? Was it the Gracies? Dude, how crazy is that? Who first started doing Valley Tudor in Brazil? That's what I want to know.

It had to have been influenced by the initial learning of Brazilian jiu-jitsu from three years ago. learning of Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu from three years ago. Or maybe it was just a bunch of dudes who were terrible at Jiu-Jitsu, just like in Japan. Well, when I came into the UFC, it was 97. So it's basically the same amount of time afterwards, right? So think about if Jiu-Jitsu is introduced to Brazil three years before they start doing these Vale Tudo things. When I first got into the UFC, it was 97. And you and I went to one in 97

remember yep and those days it was everything was like it was like it had to be probably how like how they were on a larger scale because it was on cable but how they were looking at it like oh here's this new thing everybody's figured out this new thing this is the new thing okay we'll try this new thing we're gonna have these fights. Okay, we're going to try this new thing. We're going to have these fights. We're going to put these fights together. Real similar timeline, but the Brazilians were how many years earlier? 1920. 70? 70 years earlier?

Was anybody doing that before the 1920s? Dude, that is fucking crazy. Who really invented Valetudo? Or maybe it was like a, maybe, you know what, maybe them catch wrestling um no holds barred fights that they would do in circuses there was a little something with that maybe that was yeah maybe that i think that was in the 1800s yeah so it says that uh in uh maeda's

wikipedia that in 1879 ulysses s grant former president at the time visited Japan and while in Tokyo attended a Jiu Jitsu presentation whoa interesting 1879 but Japanese Jiu Jitsu Japanese Jiu Jitsu is different than Brazilian Jiu Jitsu well didn't uh was it Teddy Roosevelt one of them way different studied Judo

one of the former presidents studied Judo I recently read it too that Abraham Lincoln before he was president, used to travel around and challenge people to wrestle. Yeah, he was a big old tall dude. See, I think there's a lot of those guys that would do that just for money. They would travel around. And then there was people that would take on all comers in local towns.

It was a way to make money. Yeah. But the rules matter. Like if you're doing challenge matches, because in catch wrestling in the sport, you're not allowed to put someone in full guard, I don't think. I don't know about that. I don't know the rules. In catch wrestling, though? In just regular wrestling, you can't put anybody in your guard and work your guard.

So in catch wrestling, it's similar. In catch wrestling, you can win by pin, too, right? Is that true? I think so. That's like what? It's a wrestling-based art. But you could also get a guy in a Kimura. Yes.

Or an Americana. Yeah. You can choke him. It truly is. I think so. Submission wrestling. Yeah. But the problem, and the big problem with catch wrestling,

and it has a lot of wonderful things, for sure, a lot like the Kimura. There's a lot of great shit in catch wrestling, but the fact that you can't work from your full guard means that not only does the system have no guard work really or super limited guard work, like someone's going to send me a picture look a picture of some old catch wrestler in the guard or something yes yes yes i

get it it existed but i'm talking about um a sport where you're allowed to work from the guard with without being stood up or without being penalized you know what i mean y'all didn't have that so what what means what that means is the guard passing was non-existent as well if you don't if you're not allowed to play guard why would you bother learning and drilling all these different pass combos it's a lot of time so that's that's what the catch wrestling was missing was the guard and the guard passing but they had all the submissions and it's a beautiful thing but it was like that in japan in a lot of ways too that when you watch old pancras no one's working from the guard there's no tech there's no technical half guard stuff there's it's just wide open basic movements um off your back and that's one of the that's the biggest thing that the brazilians brought to the game is guard passing, which means on the flip side,

you've got to have, you know, a super hard guard to pass, you know, and that changes everything. That changed everything in trying to figure out a way to do real fights. You know, that's why they had to fake a lot of fights because there was so much missing that fights would, you know, when you put two white belts together on the ground, there's not going to be a submission going on. It's going to be, it's not going to be entertaining to watch two people on the ground in a position like the guard or whatever, where you just don't spend a lot of time and it gets really boring.

So that's why you'd have to fake it. You're like, you know what, if we're going to allow me by fake it like a pro wrestling, like pro wrestling, the origins of pro wrestling. I mean, if you look, think about pro wrestling, the origins of pro wrestling. I mean, if you think about pro wrestling, pro wrestling is just a fake UFC because they're on the ground. They do leg locks and shit. And they'll do go-go platas now.

The grave digger, the undertaker. Yeah, only because they would have did it before if they would have known it was possible. They just didn't spend enough time on the ground without stand-ups and without penalties to figure out there's so much you could do on the ground and that's that's what changed everything that's what made it so that uh you don't have to fake fights anymore although there are fake fights you know especially in japan i think that's why they started faking fights i think they just wanted to make it more entertaining and they want to be able

to do it every night well yes that's what i'm saying no no no no that no, no. That's what I'm saying. They want to make it more entertaining. If it's real, it's not entertaining because you have two dudes. You want to be able to do it every night. You want, you want to be able to travel on the road. I don't know. I don't know their schedule. I don't know exactly how they did. Yeah.

Maybe they went out once every six months. Maybe they went out every once a month. I'm not too sure of the frequency of their fights, but 100% you take a time machine back to 1860 and you go to a carnival and you watch these dudes grapple, you're not going to see high-tech guard work. You know what I mean? You're not going to see high-tech guard passing.

You're just not going to see it. It didn't exist. That's why it was so stunning. It exists in judo, but not that much. Not like that. Yeah, unless you're doing Nuwaza. Nuwaza was a judo style that spent more time on the ground, but still, they didn't make an impact like the Gracies did.

Well, when you watch someone who's a really good guard expert on their back, and you watch someone trapped in that web, it's very interesting. And now you don't have to fake it. It didn't exist before the UFC. That thought that a guy on his back could be like super dangerous. That was a totally new concept Dan Severn hoist Gracie. Yeah, that was the one yeah a fight like that wouldn't exist I mean he was on his back and he had Dan Severn in his guard I don't know like 15 minutes or something like that. It's a long time

That was the longest match hoist had been in and he ended up triangling him you know you uh you know when you when there are no stand-ups a lot more uh patience is involved and um setups and and there's so much more it's like a whole another dimension opens up when there's no stand-ups so this weekend is darren till versus wonder excuse me versus tyron woodley why did i say versus wonder boy what kind of flip was that you know why because i was reading a article of this really interesting article about wonder boy in his last three fights the two fights with tyron woodley that were super duper close and then one fight with Darren Till that

was also really close and they were talking about like how um if you looked at it on paper the people from outside I think they were they were saying the global scorecard I think that's how they're describing it meaning how people scored it like on average around the world more people gave it to Wonderboy than gave it to Darren Till. And the same thing happened with the Tyron Woodley fights. I feel like the decisions were right in all those fights. I feel like in the Woodley fights in particular, Woodley hurt Wonderboy. Wonderboy didn't really hurt Woodley. I think that counts for more.

It just does. Tyron Woodley had him out. I mean, he had him really hurt. And Wonderboy never had Tyron in that kind of trouble in either one of those fights. So I would give that advantage clearly to Tyron. I would think that if he lost that fight, it wouldn't make any sense. Because fights are supposed to be about who does the most damage, who's more effective. I mean, Wonderboy was effective for more time.

But that's just like movement and sticking and hitting him with small shots. But Tyron put him on unconsciousness's door. He was like right there. It was very dangerous. It was way different. And plus you got to take the belt, right? Yeah. Well, I'm not sure I believe that.

I think if someone really wins a decision, they really win a decision. But it's just what's most important is damage. You guys are basically in a striking exchange. We're not talking about submission attempts versus striking exchanges, like which one's better. He almost had him choked out with that triangle. Well, he almost had him knocked out with that left hook. We're not talking about that because it was basically just a striking match.

And in just a plain old striking match Woodley was the one who landed the bigger shots in my mind we've got to figure out a way to quantify that it just doesn't make any sense where you could see a guy having a guy fucked up and almost out I think the same way about the Robert Whitaker Yoel Romero fight there's two rounds in that fight where Yoel Romero is landing bombs on Whitaker and Whitaker's's hurt bad. How does he lose that fight? I don't understand that. To me, even if it makes sense in the current scoring system, that scoring system is fucking flawed.

That shit doesn't make any sense. Like, logically, when you're looking at what's the ultimate goal of fighting. But if you look at those three fights, just at least on paper, Wonderboy's like right up there. And Darren Till with one fight with Cowboy, one fight with him, those two fights were the most high-profile fights of his career. Boom.

Already got a title shot. It's really interesting. That's how talented Darren Till is. People are so interested in him. 17 and 0, 25 years old, they're like, fuck. Give him a chance. The real battle for this guy, almost, is not just the fight,

which is going to be, of course, a battle, but making 170. And how much longer does he do that? I mean, he fucking, he's hurting to get down to 170. Apparently he was at 182. Yes, he's giant, dude. Giant.

You ever see how much bigger he is than Woodley? There's the video at the press conference where they stand next to each other and... How tall is he? Till puts his hands over his head. I can't tell. It says inches. He's got to be 6'2", but he's a big, giant 6'2". That's 6' even. That's just 6' even?

Yeah, 72 inches. That's right, it is. He seems way taller than that. Yeah. Go to the video of them. That's crazy. Why did I think he was 6'2"? Anyway, just still, we're talking 170.

He is clearly taller. He's a big fucker, too. It's not just tall. He's thick. He's a big fucking guy. And he has a hard time making that weight look how fucking big he is dude seriously it's only three inches that looks like more than that that looks like more than three inches unless he's wearing some crazy cowboy boots

i don't know but look it's gonna be hard to do anything that woodley man very hard well there's a bunch of things with Woodley. First of all, the fucking speed. You're dealing with speed that you probably haven't seen before. Exactly. And his level of wrestling. Look at these two guys. Has Till submitted anybody? No, no, no. His jiu-jitsu isn't done? No, there's no

submitting with Till. I mean, he knows jiu-jitsu for sure. He lived in Brazil for a few years. He actually speaks Portuguese. Oh, shit. Okay. Yeah. He got stabbed in London and then went to Brazil to fucking recoup and hang out

and lived there for a while. I don't know the full story of it, but he speaks perfect Portuguese. After one of his fights in Brazil, he addressed the crowd in Portuguese. It was pretty crazy. I haven't heard any

trash talking from Connor. Have I missed it? He's not doing any press. He's not doing shit. Oh, shit. He's not doing anything. Figure it out. You figure out the promotion on your own.

I'm over here. Seriously. I'm over here. He's not doing shit. What about a countdown show? What about a countdown show? I think he basically said, listen, man, I'm going to fight, and that's it. That's what's going to happen. October 6th, I'm going to fight, and that's it. That's what's going to happen.

October 6th, I'm going to fight, and that's it. I thought he liked the promotion. I thought he liked it. I think he's done, man. He's hit that. First of all, he just won $100 million. He probably thinks you can suck all the dicks. I'm here right now.

If you want me, I want to fight. That's what I want to do. I don't want to do any of your bullshit. I want to fight. So on October 6th, I'm going to show up to fight. That's what I want to do. I don't want to do any of your bullshit. I want to fight. So on October 6th, I'm going to show up and fight. Figure out all the rest. On October 5th, I'll be there to make weight.

Do that in his accent, though. I wish I could. I'd have to listen to him a few more times. If he dies, he dies then, it says. Hold on. Go back down. What are you doing? If he dies, he dies then. I'm paid twice. He's got 1.3 million likes. What does that mean? It's a lot of likes. What does you doing? If he dies, he dies then. I'm paid twice. He's got 1.3 million likes.

What does that mean? Yeah, it's a lot of likes. So much promotion right there. Yeah, he's trying to stay relevant. He's trying to put some words out there. Look sexy. Probably got somebody doing it for him. Some little assistant. And, you know, he's probably concentrating on the fight.

And they said, Connor, is this good? And he's like, yeah, it's fucking good. Put it up. I'll tell you what, man. I can't fucking wait for that fight. And you know if one of them drop out, Tony gets it. Yeah, Tony Ferguson's ready to go. He's ready to go.

And he's on the card anyway, and the undercard against Pettis, right? Yeah. So they would definitely do Ferguson and not Pettis? I think so. I'm not sure. I think, did they offer Nurmagomedov to Pettis when all that shit was going down in New York and Brooklyn? I know they offered it to, they were going to have it Chiesa, but Chiesa got cut, right? And they didn't let Paul Felder, because Paul Felder wasn't ranked high enough, which is crazy.

Yeah. And they let Al Iaquinta do it. Paul Felder wasn't ranked high enough, which is crazy. Yeah. And they let Al Iaquinta do it. But I think they offered it to Pettis. The report was Pettis and Felder were both denied. Interesting. Pettis and Felder both denied. Well, you know, Pettis just beat Chiesa by triangle. He looked good.

He looked like he's back. I selfishly hope that no one drops out, because first of all, I want to see that fight. But, two, I really want to see Tony versus Pettis. Yeah. That's a really interesting fight, man. Yeah, Tony's looking good, man. I bet he is. Tony's looking good.

It's amazing how quick he came back from that surgery. It's amazing, man. It's amazing. He's looking really good, man. He's breakdancing. I watched him breakdance. This guy just blew his knee, ligaments off his bones. Quit drinking.

No more drinking. He's clean as fuck. His diet's, he looks great right now. He looks great. Yeah, he's in tremendous shape. How much was he drinking before? He's in the best shape of his life. You know, a couple beers here and there.

You know what I mean? No big deal, but he's. But you said fuck it. None of that now. Oh, dude. That injury just changed everything for him. That injury just made him reevaluate his life. And now he's coming back stronger than ever, man.

Well, when something like that happens, you realize, whoa, one of these that's really this catastrophic could be the end of my career. Yeah. It's possible. And it's so possible that Conor or Khabib could drop out. That's so possible. So possible. That's the backup plan. Pettis and Tony is the backup plan.

Well, what are we at now? We're still a month away. Yeah. Today's the sixth. Yep. We have a whole month. Yep. Dude, the world could fall apart in a month.

Yeah. In a month. Yeah. And that weekend is going to be fucking insane because that's in Vegas on that Saturday. The Friday before is Quintet 3.

That's going to be insane. What's that? Have you seen Quintet yet? No. Team Jiu Jitsu? What? Team Sub Only Jiu Jitsu? What?

Sakuraba Show. Oh my God. Dude. Okay, okay, okay. I'm confused. I thought you meant team like four guys against four guys

attacking each other all at once. No, no, no, no, no, no. Because I was watching that video, the Russian guy. attacking each other all at once. No, no, no, no, no I was watching that video the Russian guy. It's still in my head. No, no, no, no quintet. Yes Sakuraba show I did I saw the boogie choked out Sakuraba That was the craziest experience I've ever been in my life as far as jiu-jitsu goes. It's so different I've never done this. Yeah Team jiu-jitsu it's fucking insane there were so many ups and downs man it was insane why was geo grappling against a guy that was so big well this is the way they do it okay so there's four teams it's a four-man bracket right

and you know the winner of these two teams fights the winner of these two teams, fights the winner of these two teams, and then they're in the finals. So it's five on five, 950 pound weight limit. So you get the whole stack for the whole five. Oh, you get to divvy it however you want. You can get two monsters here, two monsters, but then you got to have like little guys here. So and when it's up happening, we had two, we had Adam Sacknoff and Amir Alam are two giant guys. They're both like 220.

And then we had Gio, PJ, and Boogie made up the rest of the team. So we had two big guys, a couple medium guys, and then Gio's the small guy. Gio's the smallest guy, but he's like the— And Gio's like 145. 145. He fights 135. Right, but he walks around like— like 145 he does when he fights 135 right he walks around like 140 like 140 so you every team has to submit the order they want their fighters to go but without

knowing your opponent's order so you you just line them up however you want and then boom they just bam this is the matchup like oh shit you know um you could have giants against little dudes you know it's all mixed up you just bam does anybody have to agree no so who gets to put the guy out first like when you're making the decision no this is what happens you have to every team has to submit the order that they want their their fighters to go out so i had oh so it's random so i say eddie you go out first. Jamie goes out second. Write it down, submit it. And that's it. And they just put them together.

That's ridiculous. You don't know how your your your opponents, the the other team's going to line them up. So, boom, when they line up, when they when you see how it lined up, you're like, oh, shit. So the craziest thing was we, you know, we had to beat the first team we went against was. Ishii's team. Ishii is the biggest, best built Japanese of all time. Of all time. He's like 250 pound Japanese, like six foot three, six foot four, built like Ray Lewis.

Is Ishii the gold medalist? Gold medalist in Judo. Yeah. He's in, dude, he guy he's awesome. He he's uh, he's English is pretty good and Just fought MMA a little bit. Yeah in Japan. The dude is I've never seen a Japanese built like this motherfucker I've never he's like Brock fucking less. You know, I mean, it's insane. He's he's a he's a very intimidating and giant So that was the first team we were going against. We were like, fuck. We were like, holy shit.

And plus they had Joao Assis, which is a big ass Brazilian. He's like 210 pounds. One of the best Brazilian jiu-jitsu guys out there. And he's on a Japanese team? He's on Ishii's team. Whoa. So it's Joao Assis, big, high level world champion, Abu Dhabi champion. He won Abu Dhabi once, too.

Oh my God. And Ishii. And then they had three had three other guys right so we had to go against them first, but but The first two teams that went while we're in the locker room Sakuraba's team went against Tiger Muay Thai team right it was a Stewart Cooper's team. Yeah photo Ishii up there Jesus Christ He's jacked look at the size of him man he's so fucking big he's huge in person he's huge I'm sure man it's it's incredible he fought Rampage right was that in Strike Force Bellator he fought Rampage and Bellator so we're in the back I wish I would have videotaped this shit we're in the back locker room it's a nice arena and everything so it's like we're like at a like a basketball arena we're in the in the back locker room. It's a nice arena and everything. So it's like we're like at a like a basketball arena. We're in the back watching the first two guys go.

And Sakuraba had this giant black guy on his team. His last name is Frida. I think it's Hasim Frida. Some black guy from Africa who lives in Japan. And he trains with Sakuraba. Giant dude, right? Tall motherfucker. So we're watching this black dude destroy everybody

while we're in the locker room going holy shit who's gonna go against this dude he's probably about 210 215 pounds six foot four hasin frida um this is the guy right here no no no no no no the guy he's gonna fight yes. Yes, check out this guy. Alex Schild and Hasim Rida. He just goes after legs and rips. He's tall, dude. He fucks people up. So we're backstage watching this dude

tear through that team. He's so much bigger than that guy. Yeah, totally. This is so crazy. This looks like a 150-pound guy versus a 205-er. Yeah. And the way it is, right? So if you win the first matchup, right?

If there's not a submission, it's submission only. If there's not a submission and time runs out, both those fighters are out. It's whoever has the last fighter standing wins, right? Oh, shit. Look at this. He goes right for legs and just rips him off, dude. Looking for the other one now. He's so much bigger than him.

So dangerous. Look, knee bar. The knee bar! Well, he let it go quick. So anyways, we're backstage watching this guy. He tapped out like three dudes. Where's he from, this guy? Kenya, maybe.

Ghana. Ghana. And he trains over in Ghana as as well no no he lives in japan he trains with uh somebody in japan with sakuraba look how much bigger he is that's so crazy that guy's a normal guy yeah so at least he didn't hurt him so so if you win that first match you gotta understand this this is how it goes okay if you you win, you stay and you fight their second guy. If you beat him again, you stay and you fight their third guy. But wait a minute. Does the second or third guy already fight?

Do they fight already? Like, you're not fighting a guy who hasn't fought. Are you fighting a guy who also won? Yes. No, no. What happens is it's five on five. This is the first matchup right here, right? This guy wins. Okay, so that guy's out this guy stays in we still got five guys now they got four this guy fights this guy he wins again he taps him he stays and these guys haven't even fought yet and then this guy is gonna fight the third guy okay people are listening here you've got your

fingers in the air no one knows is it coming out on the camera? Yeah. Yes, we get it. So, but if you tie, let's say you're in a matchup and you tie, both you guys are out. And then the next fighter comes in. So it's the last man standing. And, um. Interesting. So it's a good idea. Like, Gio went against Ishii. Our smallest guy went against the biggest guy in the tournament.

Judo Olympic, Kimura of Hell. So, the strategy there was just survive against this dude and knock him out. Don't let him win, because if he beats Gio, then he's gonna fight again. He's gonna keep fighting until he loses or gets de-keyed. So is it points, how does it work? There's no points, submission only.

Submission only, and how much time do you have? I think it's eight minutes for regular matches. But if there's a weight difference that's like 40 pounds or more, then it's a shorter match. Okay. It's four minutes. When Gio went against Ishii. Yes. Put on Gio versus Ishii.

Ishii wasn't able to tap him, which is incredible when you really think about how much bigger he is. I mean, he's enormous. It's the one after this one. It's the one after this fight. I saw Sakuraba and Richie, who we keep calling Boogie. And this is Richie right here against João Assis. Yeah. This is Richie.

Both these guys, they got DQ'd because there was no taps. Boogie had rubber guard all over him, dude. It looked scary like two or three times. Boogie got DQ'd because there was no taps. Boogie had rubber guard all over him, dude. It looked scary like two or three times. So Boogie got, he got DQ'd as well? Because nothing happened? Yeah, they both get DQ'd if there's no submission, which is beautiful. It's a beautiful. It makes people go after things.

Yeah, both of you. You guys are out. It's whoever has the last fighter standing. When I saw that Sakuraba was tapped out, I was like, who the fuck tapped out Sakuraba? And then as he got off him, I saw it was Richie. I texted him. I was like, who the fuck tapped out Sakuraba? And then as he got off him, I saw it was Richie. I texted him. I was like,

what the fuck? So this is it. Look at this. This is Ishii and Gio right here. This is so crazy, dude. Look at this shit. So it's all about, Gio's trying to attack him.

See, Gio went for a Kimura of his own because he's really good at Kimuras. So he was like, fuck it, I'm going to try to tap this guy out. But it got to a point where he was just too big and he put a Kimura on Gio

and was just trying to rip his arm off dude he had geo's arm behind his back yeah i saw it i saw it and i i talked to geo after the fact geo and uh richie came to see me uh in temecula when i did uh the casino down there yeah yeah i talked to him about it afterwards like dude that is he's like you didn't tap me i'm like that's crazy it's dude, he didn't tap me. I'm like, that's crazy. It's crazy that he couldn't tap you. He's so much bigger. And when I saw him yanking on his arm, it's terrifying to watch.

He's like thinking about all the damage it's doing to that elbow and that shoulder. And he's trying to pass his guard and put a Kimura on. And he's got four minutes to do it. So we're all thinking it would be great if Gio could tap this guy, but at the very least knock him out. You know what I mean? Just survive. Because who knows?

He could have cleaned out the whole team. Look at this animal. It's crazy. This guy's a fucking monster. He's all power here. Yeah, I mean, he keeps yanking on it, too. It's just amazing, Gio's defense. It gets crazy right here.

Look. Over halfway through this fight. Submission. Looking for the shoulder. We're watching it right here. Look. Over halfway through this part. Yeah. We're watching it right now. Look at the boom. Look at that shit. Look at that.

Look at that. Most people would have tapped right there. Yeah. Most people would have tapped. Look at that shit. Look at that. Boom. Now he's good.

He got the hand down on the mat. Luckily, he's so good at Kimuras that he's created so many Kimura monsters down at his school that he has to deal with Kimura's all the time. So that's why he was able to survive. Look how he's getting his knees in. See how he's just creating space. Tuck it in again. Yeah, amazing.

People who have never practiced Jiu-Jitsu probably wouldn't appreciate how interesting this technique is. Look at that. He has his arm again. So dangerous for him to do this, to be stuck in this situation. And to see Ishii give up on it, that's what's even more crazy, because Ishii is literally 100 pounds bigger. No, he's going to go back to it. He's going to go back to it.

But I mean, he gave up on it right there, though. Yeah. I mean, he's so much bigger than him. It's really, it's insane. So because of the fact there was no tap in this one, both guys get knocked out? Is that how it goes? Exactly. So we win there.

You know what I mean? We took out a monster. Took out the big gorilla. Yeah. So we win the first round, and then we end up going against Sakuraba's team in the finals because they beat Tiger Muay Thai team. So now, Hasim Frida Boogie taps out Sakuraba

he puts Sakuraba in a a darts a darts and then he goes against he stays because he wins so he stays

and he goes against Frida and Frida taps out Boogie what did he catch him with? he got him with an armbar and right there Gio's next now right here here it is

yeah this is this is where he gets Boogie look boom He got him with an arm bar and right there, Gio's next now. Right here. Here it is. Yeah, this is where he gets boogie. Boom. So now he stays and Gio's next. And he's just on fire. He's ripping through everybody within a minute. And how big is he? So just let it roll through here.

Let this roll. How big is he? Now it's like a Gio. He's about like 6'3", 6'4". Tall motherfucker. 220, 210 in that area. So now look at this. This is Gio. He's about like 6'3", 6'4". Tall motherfucker. 220, 210 in that area. So now look at this. This is Gio against. So I told Gio.

I said, I looked at him. I said, dude, avenge your brother's loss. I went fucking Kung Fu Theory because I'm losing my mind. I'm like, oh shit. And Gio. So this is the final match. No, no, no. This is like right in the middle.

Now it's like there's three guys left each I don't understand how this whole thing works but it's kind of confusing but once you you stay in until

you either lose or get or it's a draw if you lose or it's a draw you're both out but if you win with a submission

you stay and you fight their next guy one guy could could take out a whole team and you fight their next guy. One guy could take out a whole team. And, you know, the winning team might have guys that didn't even. Gio immediately attacking. Look, he's attacking.

Check this out. It doesn't last long. So he's so tall. Gio's got one of the best guillotines in the system here. Look, boom. He gets him right there before he stood up. There was no way he would have been able to catch that front headlock, and that's exactly what we're talking about. Once you have a front headlock, boom, look at this. He gets him right there before he stood up. There was no way he would have been able to catch that front headlock, and that's exactly what we're talking about.

Once you have a front headlock, boom, look at this. He goes Marcelatine on him. Boom. All Marcelo right here. Check this out. Boom, bam, right there. Marcelatine. That is incredible, man. That is amazing. That is an amazing guillotine that

a 140-pound dude can tap out an elite, high-level that is an amazing guillotine that 140 pound dude can tap out an elite high level 210 pound dude like that that's incredible maybe more than 210 yeah that's amazing yeah so I'm on the side losing my mind

my head almost exploded that's incredible and so now Gio stays and he goes against look at that size size difference. Look at that size difference. That's crazy. Look at that shit. And he guillotined. He guillotined that dude. Yeah, that's crazy.

And if you watch it, the only way he could guillotine him was by almost sweeping him, getting him on his butt, and before he could stand up, Gio, he jumped on that head and arm. Boom. And he sprawled him down,

snapped him down, and turned it into a Marcella team. Insane. Insane. And this dude's like, oh no. He can't believe it he thought it was gonna be easy well that's one of one of the more interesting things about jiu-jitsu is that jiu-jitsu is an art where a smaller person with technique really can beat a bigger person it's just marcella teens are giant killers that's why it's in the we warm up with that shit dude dude. We don't fuck around. I, I mean, I, I don't know how many times you need to see Marcello Garcia rip people apart

with those things, you know, before you put it into your, your own system. That's amazing. So when is this event going to happen again? So we won this one. It was super fucking crazy.

We won this one. And, um, uh, that was quintet two, quintet three. Uh, we're returning and we're that's going to be in vegas the friday before connor versus khabib oh you know so it's going to be a crazy weekend son yeah because that team polaris they won the first quintet and they got

craig jones they got marcine held dan got Marcin Held, Daniel Strauss. I mean, Craig Jones is one of the best grapplers in the world right now. That's it. Quintet. I watched his match with Husamar Pajaras. Uriah Faber got a team now. Oh, shit. There's Gio. Boom. Interesting.

Craig Jones. That's fucking... Team Polaris is quintet one winner. Dude, it's really nice to see more people paying attention to submission grappling. Maybe this is the way to do it. This is huge. This is, dude, this is lighting the world on, the grappling world on fire.

Everyone's starting their own, quintet rules is a new thing now. They've already been, that happened a month and a half ago, and there've already been tournaments, blue belt quintet tournament. Like, we're having a Quintet tournament at the 10th Planet

Eclipse which is we all get together once a year and have a party and you know and do business stuff like a business

summit meeting wait a minute is it founded by Josh Barnett is that what you're saying he's in it Josh Barnett's in it he had

he was in the first one but it's a Sakuraba show. No, Quintec 3 card will feature Sakuraba himself in action, along with fellow UFC Hall of Famer Uriah Faber, former UFC heavyweight champion Josh Barnett, and elite grappling champions, including three-time EBI winner. Gio motherfucking Martinez. And reigning Polaris champion.

Yeah, I guess Josh Barnett's going to be in this one. Craig Jones. That's awesome, man. Maybe he's on Sakuraba's team or something. I don't know. You know what, man? He's like real ambivalent about his, not ambivalent, but he's just trying to figure out what he's going to do with his career. He's been released by the UFC.

He had that whole USADA thing where they flagged him for, what is it, a tainted supplement? He went over the whole story on the podcast. It was a tainted for, what is it? A tainted supplement. He went over the whole story on the podcast. It was a tainted supplement. They proved it was a tainted supplement. Um, they released him, but it took a long time to do so. And he was very frustrated by it. And now he's not sure what he's going to do. So for him to do something like this, you know, especially like at this stage of his

career, like Josh is still an elite grappler. Absolutely. Won the worlds in the gi. Tapped Dean Lister out. Remember that? Tapped Dean Lister out with a can opener? No, no. It was a scarf hold.

Scarf hold choke? I forget. I forget. Yeah. It was like one of them judo side headlock chokes. Yeah. Tapped out here on Gracie. I mean, he had a lot of weight on him, but still, he still got him.

The Dean Lister one is, both of them are incredibly impressive, but Dean Lister's a big guy. Dean Lister and him are of similar size. Yeah, so he got him in side control and then he went to one of those, remember when Mark Coleman tapped out Dan Severn? Yeah, it's like just a regular schoolyard headlock. Just a headlock. Ifold. Just a headlock. I got put in a headlock once as a kid for being an asshole. I couldn't get out.

I couldn't get out, man. You realize how fucking good Josh is, though, when you see him control a guy like Dean Lister. I mean, that's how goddamn good Josh Barnett is. That's a good three-quarter Nelson right there. Look at this pop-up. These shameless pop-ups. These twats. Someone screen-recorded this video. Oh, someone screen-recorded it? I thought it was a shameless three-quarter Nelson right there. Look at this pop-up. These shameless pop-ups. These twats. Someone screen-recorded this video. Oh, someone screen-recorded it.

I thought it was a shameless pop-up. All right, we're good. So that's fucking interesting. Who else is on the card this weekend? Pull up the UFC card this weekend. So it's Darren Till versus Tyron Woodley. I'm very excited by that fight. Darren Till is a really, really high-level striker.

The way he moves, the way he sets things up, the strategies. He does fight with his chin up in the air, though, and he does fight with his hands down low, but it's to invite in brawls. So who else we got? We got, oh, Montano and Valentina Shevchenko. Zabit is fighting. Oh, shit.

Well, Zabit was supposed to be fighting Yair Rodriguez, but Yair Rodriguez got injured, so Brandon Davis took it on real short notice. I think, like, less than three weeks' notice. Mm-hmm. That's going to be a good fight right there. Jessica Andrade probably had the biggest arms in the women's division, for sure.

She's a beast. Yeah. Dude, those arms are incredible. Yeah, I'm really excited about Till and Woodley. That's the fight that's most interesting to me. That one to me is like, huh. I watched that, the Woodley-Till highlights, and I'm like, I don't know, man. I'm real interested about this because what Till brings to the game

is size and height and distance and striking. But what Tyron Woodley, Tyron Woodley also has wrestling, also has championship experience, been there, done that. Till's favorite. Till's favorite. Yeah. Ooh, 145 to 125.

I never understood that. How can they both be slightly above 100? It has to do with the money. I know, but I mean, still. Wait a minute. One of them, you bet 100, you win 1.5. But the other one is also favored.

No. 125. I mean, 125. Yeah. Okay, so what it is is Darren Till's favorite by 145 like if you

bet 100 you win 145 that means you have to pay 145 to win 100 right you have to pay 145 to win 100

where if you bet 100 you win 125 on Woodley who's the champion correct that's really just like

if you bet now because this will change probably by all the way up to the time the fight starts. Normally I understand this. I still don't understand it. I understand it, but we smoked too much pot before this

show. But the thing that's interesting to me is that he doesn't... I don't understand why they would have him a favorite, unless there's a lot of money coming in from Liverpool. It's literally just what it is. It's just a betting favorite. Can I take a quick question? It's not like, this isn't saying

this is the favorite for the fight. It's just a betting favorite. There should be an expert line. I wonder what the expert line would be. If I didn't work for the UFC, if I'm standing here and you say, who do you think wins this fight? I'd have to step back. If I was working for a casino,

if they hired me as a consultant i'd say this is a pick'em fight anything can happen in this fight there's no way i know what's going to happen in this fight like the val here's a fight valentina shevchenko and nico montana that that fight should be like 1200 to 1 that's pretty much what it is is it 1600 1600 okay well i'm being conservative another one is under or is Sabit is minus $1,200. Yeah, that makes sense too. Those two make sense. See, this one to me is like, hmm, I don't know.

I really do not know. That is very much like Pickham territory. You could even have it like it could be plus $110, plus $110. So this could vary depending on like what late Woodley money could come in or late Till money could shift it even higher. I don't know. Depending on how much is really on it, someone could change that probably with, like, a $10,000 bet.

They could flip it or something like that. Depends on how much is currently riding. It's a very interesting fight. I think one factor is going to be kicks. And I think what you're going to see is Till doing a lot of what he did in the Wonderboy fight, which is attack that lead leg with a front leg sidekick. He does that a lot.

And it's an awful kick. If you get hit with it, hyper extends your knee. And he does it really well. It's a real controversial kick. I mean, I don't know really that it should be. If it's legal to grab your leg in a heel hook and rip it apart, why isn't it legal to side kick your leg? I mean, I don't think it's dirty at all. The thing is that you can't, the idea is that you can't

tap from it. Darren Till, Eddie Bravo back from the pisser. Darren Till is, he's known for this, in the Wonderboy fight, he threw these hard front leg side kicks to the knee. Just like Robert Whitaker did to yoel romero and just like yoel romero did to him in the previous fight like that front leg sidekick

to the knee has become a big kick and till's really good at it i think that's going to be a big factor in this fight is distance like if till can keep his distance and use his reach you know because it says that the same reach but that doesn't make any sense. But doesn't... One of them's taller. I mean, it's just like, yeah, maybe the arm distance is the same. Does Woodley generally counter fight? Is he generally kind of stepping back? I mean, is he going to want to... Well, Woodley does a lot of that.

He does a lot of that. He's really good at countering. He lets himself almost get pushed back to the cage, and then he launches forward if you watch like when he KO'd Josh Koscheck what he does he would let he almost lets guys press him up against the cage and they expose themselves and then he attacks back Rory McDonald figured out a way to nullify that he was the like but that was also a different Tyron Woodley because that was Tyron Woodley before Duke Rufus see most people don't realize that even though Tyron Woodley was like world class, one of the best welterweights on the planet, he was really kind of training himself.

He was working with different people all over the country, but he didn't have a main head coach. He didn't get one until he started training with Duke Rufus. So from Duke Rufus on, it's like you're looking at a different fighter. He's much better at like relaxing conserving his energy he doesn't get tired in the later rounds anymore he's much more effective and he also knows not to get sucked in by the crowd like in the wonder boy fights in particular like people are saying it's boring but you have to fight wonder boy that way you can't charge at him if you charge at wonder boy you get lit up you get lit up with these crazy counter strikes You got to wait for Wonderboy to lead and Wonderboy was leading and Tyron still again

Wonderboy landed more shots, but Tyron hurt him way more. How did the Kelvin Gastelum fight go with Woodley? It was a split decision. He beat Kelvin by a decision It was you know pretty pretty close fight, but Kelvin that was the fight where Kelvin didn't make weight He was all fucked up coming into that fight. But Woodley won. But that was also, I want to say, that was like right when he started with Duke. Or maybe he started with Duke after that. Either way.

Look at the Robbie Lawler fight is a good example. What he can do, what Woodley can do is put the best guys in the world out with one shot. Guys who nobody puts out. Who the fuck puts out Robbie Lawler? Robbie Lawler gets hit with bombs and survives. And Tyron Woodley put one on him, knocked him out. I mean, he can do that to anybody. And he can do that to Darren Till too. I mean, if Darren Till doesn't think that coming into this fight because he's the more accomplished striker, it's a very dangerous fight for him. Woodley's so fucking fast. But then again, Darren Till can find his rhythm,

establish his distance, and start using those kicks, in particular that front leg side kick, man. He fucks your leg up with that. And then his leg kicks, and then his leg kicks with combinations. And he also, he's real creative with his striking. There's a lot of hand movement. There's a lot to distract you. Maybe Woodley's best strategy would be to just take him down over and over again and try to mount him and try to take his back and try to do some ground and pound.

Look, man, he's a stud wrestler. How hard is Darren Till to take down? I don't know. It's a good question. And how is he on his back? That's a good question, too. You know, what we know about him is he likes to strike big, tall dude, likes to strike nasty striker. You know, one of the more impressive things that he did is not the knockout of cowboy, but when he hit him with that elbow, he hit him with this

step in elbow where I was like, Jesus, the speed of it, man. It's like the, the smoothness of his closing the distance and the speed of landing that elbow like he showed cowboy different distances and then he he like he left this opening for that elbow and he slides in and cracks him with it and you're like oh jesus like here's him against cowboy like see how his hands are down low he's got a lot of movement of his hands but the like that jab comes from the bottom comes from like underneath you don't know like until it's too late whether he's just probing you or whether he's punching you there's a lot of that see a lot of that with the hands and he keeps his chin straight up in the air

but he also is really good at moving his head back he's also really used to high level sparring and high level fighting he's an elite guy man and a dangerous kind of weird style in a lot of ways. See all that hand movement and shit? He does a lot of that. Shit that you saw in Bruce Lee movies. Yeah. Yeah. Look at this.

Boom to the body. I mean, that's nasty, right? You start thinking it's coming over the top,. Boom, to the body. I mean, that's nasty, right? Like you start thinking it's coming over the top and it comes to the body. Have you heard Hanato Larange's impersonation of... Of Dantil? Oh, dude. It's hilarious. No, Hanato's a fucking talented guy, man.

He's a talented guy. The MMA world is lucky that we have him. guy. The MMA world is lucky that we have him. It's fucking... Let's talk about hilarious inside shit in the world of Jiu-Jitsu and MMA. His fake feud with Vinny Magalese is hilarious.

That's a real feud, man. They hate each other, trust me. We're on a group text, me, Vinny, and Hennot, and they're just constantly fucking tearing each other apart. That's hilarious. Constantly.

That's hilarious. They hate each other. That's so funny, man. Vinny Magalea is doing good. He's doing great, man. What is that, PFL? Yeah. Have you been watching that?

Yeah, I watched his fight. He won by head kick knockout. I was like, oh, shit. All of a sudden, you got to worry about his head kick, because I think that may be his third head kick knockout. I was like, oh shit. All of a sudden, you gotta worry about his head kick because I think that may be his third head kick knockout. You definitely have to worry about it. And then his jiu-jitsu is top of the food chain. And now he's like really into it and wanting to throw it and wanting to set it up

more. There's bing bing. He hits him with that left hand. Watch this. Boom! And then as he closes in, watch this elbow. He's closing. Right there. Ooh, that's so nasty. He's closing. Dang, right there. Ooh. Ooh, that's so nasty. That is a fucking hard elbow, man.

Does he remind you of Conor a little bit, the way he kind of stands? It seems like they kind of have that same style. Well, they have a similar style in that they have their hands spread apart and, you know. And constantly fainting. And a lot of bouncing up and down and back and forth, a lot of movement. Yeah, he's not like a plodding guy. What did he do growing up? He's light on his feet. Did he do karate growing up or something? A lot of Mu up and down and back and forth a lot of movement yeah he's not like a plodding guy what did he do light on his feet did he do karate growing up or something like a lot of muay thai since he was a kid very young i'd have to ask vinnie shorman the full uh full background of

him but you know vinnie um vinnie was one of the ones who told me about him like a long time ago and told me about him when he's first fighting in the ufc he's like you got to watch this guy he's fucking special and he said uh you know, in his Liverpool accent, because Vinny's from Liverpool too, he said when the cowboy fight was going on, he's like, look, cowboy doesn't know what he's in for. Like he thinks he's just going to go in there and fight this guy and doesn't need to watch tape on him.

Like you have no idea where you're dealing with. Was cowboy 100% in that fight? Did he have some weight cutting issues or anything like that? No, it was 170. That was a 170 fight. Did he train% in that fight? Did he have some weight cutting issues or anything like that? No, it was 170. That was a 170 fight. Did he train properly for that fight? I mean, I assume he did. He's not saying that.

I don't know. You know, it's just I think Cowboy honestly is a 155 or a 165. I think there's a lot of fighters that are like that. I mean, I think Cowboy can beat real top guys like Matt Brown. He beat Matt Brown at 170. He can beat guys at 170, no doubt. But I just think realistically, these guys at 170 are so fucking big that Cowboy's more of a 155-er.

But I think that even 155 hurts him. It hurts him to get down there. So he's a tweener, like Diego Sanchez has always been kind of a tweener. He's too small for 170, too big for 155. But Diego made it down to 145 once. That's crazy. That is insane. That's that iron will, son.

And BJ, too. He did 170, 155, 145. BJ did heavyweight. Remember when he fought Lyoto Machida? Yeah. Lyoto Machida was like 205, and BJ just ate whatever the fuck he wanted. He didn't even step on a scale. BJ's back.

He's going to fight Ryan Hall. That's going to be interesting. That's a good fight. Holy shit. That's a good fight because Ryan Hall, although he's got good kicks, and he's good at keeping guys on the outside, he's very smart at using his kicks to set up his jiu-jitsu. People like criticize him for that.

He pulls guard a lot too. Yep, he does. That's an interesting fight. You don't want to see, like the Yair Rodriguez one was tough to watch. Yeah. Because you're watching BJ fight a young guy who has a specialty that's not in BJ's wheelhouse. BJ's never been really a kicker. He kicked Diego Sanchez in the head.

Remember, he opened up that big cut it was like one of the only head kicks you ever saw bj throw in his whole career yeah bj has been more punching and wrestling and jujitsu but he's fought yair like yair is like him and zabit like that those tall guys with crazy kicks yeah fuck those are so hard to deal with man and bj just it was the wrong fight for him. Just not a good fight. Didn't make any sense. It's hard to watch.

Watching him get 360 roundhouse kicked in the head, you're like, whoa. Oh. Yeah. Yair, his striking is just out of this world. That's why I'm so bummed out that he got hurt. Yair versus Abit would have been crazy. That would have been crazy.

That would have been crazy. That's probably the craziest striking matchup. Well, real, I mean, one of, for sure. Who throws crazier strikes than Yair? Nobody. Zabit can throw all that same shit. Yeah. But Yair just, you know. Cartwheel kicks.

He just constantly, consistently, at a high frequency he just keeps throwing them yeah it's incredible the thing about him though is that like when you watch the frankie edgar fight you're like okay that can be shut down like that can be really shut down like he didn't have an answer when it was shut down so he's which means in my mind that his game is so heavily favored that looseness openness and kickness kicking crazy, you know, wild kicking, that it's imbalanced, right, in the sense that he's got to put almost the same amount of effort to fighting off of his back. If he developed an unbelievable guard game

to match his unbelievable kicking game, holy shit. I mean, then you'd have an incredible balance. He's messing around with rubber guard. I bet incredible balance. He's messing around with rubber guard. I bet he is. He's messing around with it. Look, it makes sense. The best kickers, that's one of the things that Pettis is realizing now. Pettis has kind of stopped concentrating so much on wrestling.

And he said, what I got to get back to doing is fighting. And when I'm at my best, he was saying, is using his striking, and then when he goes to the ground, trying to submit people. Don't try to stop takedowns. Don't try to take people down. Forget all that. So he's going back to what got him there.

You think about his Benson Henderson fight, won by armbar. I mean, Gilbert Melendez fight, wins by guillotine. Takes his time on the feet, does all his creative shit on the feet. But if someone takes him down, he tries to submit him immediately. He jumps on shit.

I think that's an interesting combination. That's why I'm so interested in that fight with him and Tony, because Tony's so wild. Yeah, Tony does the same thing. The one thing you've got to watch out with Tony is he has so much firepower from so many different angles on the ground but I mean he knows he knows a lot a lot

there's so much he could tap you with but his Darce game is so high level and he could get it from so many angles that really I think the most dangerous thing would be, uh, you know, our guys that are just focused on one thing. And especially since he hits those Darcy's from every goddamn angle.

You know, if he came out and just said, whatever happens, we're always looking for the Darcy. He was in trouble in that, uh, Lando Venata fight and boom, he just put them in a Darcy and that saved the day. You know what I mean? So there's a lot of different ways Tony can make you tap on the ground. Trust me. He knows so much. But, man, if he just stuck with his darts game, man, that's probably the most dangerous

way to go on the ground. It's an interesting fight, man. Interesting fight. Pettis is a nasty kicker. There's a lot of great things in that fight. That's a good one. Now, that's on that card? That on that card?

Is that on the same card? It's on Conor Khabib. The Conor card. Oh, yeah. What else is on that card? Pull up that Conor Khabib card. Who else is fighting on that card? Do you know?

It's only a month away. I don't know. It's off the top of my head. I know Sugar's Sean O'Malley. Can you put up the... I'm pulling it up right now. Yeah. I like Sean O'Malley.

He fights in the main event. He's a fun dude, man. Had him in here. We got barbecued. Ooh, Derek Lewis. Alexander Volkov. Ooh. That's an interesting fight.

That Volkov guy might be the dark horse. He might be the guy in the heavyweight division, waiting in the wings, you know. Karate Hottie versus Felice is going to be good. Yeah, that's a good one. Yeah. Yeah, I'm interested in the Ferguson fight for sure The Pettis-Ferguson fight But the Louis Volkov fight, man

That one I'm like, huh That Volkov guy, did you see what he did for Reese Overdome? When you watch that fight, you go, oh, Jesus Christ If that guy could do that, he stopped for Reese Overdome He beat the shit out of him before he stopped him Who's the Russian guy who puts dudes in Ezekiel chokes while he's being mounted who's that olynyk right that guy alexi olynyk yeah he gets mounted in ezekiel's dudes he does it from everyone from while he's being mounted yeah jean-jacques does that too that is so crazy

but to do that in mma with the gloves gloves on is like unheard of. Unbelievable. Yeah. While being mounted, putting people to sleep. That's just like. You think you're ever going to see that again? I think he has the ability to do it. No, but I mean from other people. Do you think that would be something that people start adopting?

If fighters put the time in, all submissions are possible. You just got to put a lot of time into it. You got to get obsessed with it. Yeah, but that's one that's like, wow. Yeah. What are the odds of that one working a lot? One guy has been able to pull it off. Who else has been able to pull it off?

But he does it multiple times. Yeah, I've seen him do it twice. Yeah. Twice or three? I haven't seen the third one, but I've seen two of them. Standing guillotine chokes? So who got a standing guillotine? This is a five-minute compilation of them. I don't know.

There's a lot of them. Oh. Standing guillotines. Yeah, but this is not what we're talking about, though. We're talking about, it's called an Ezekiel, mounted Ezekiel. Jamie's just making up some notions over here. Standing guillototine is pretty common. MMA Ezekiel.

E-Z-E-I-K-E-L. Isn't Ezekiel the dude from the Bible? It is. The guy from the Bible that saw the UFO? Oh, yeah. That was the first ever one in the UFC. That one in the UFC, yes. But Ezekiel chokes in MMA. Just Google Ezekiel chokes in MMA.

What's the guy's name? That's the only one? I mean, the top five videos are just him doing it. Oh, he's done it more than... How many times has he done it? It's all him. Oh, the same fight? Oh, the one fight? Play it just so we can watch it again. It's pretty crazy. It's crazy that someone can figure

out a way to do something that no one has ever done before in 2018. So he gets the headlock and then he's just holding on. And then he slides it in deeper. And then this dude's fucked. Look at him. He's tapping.

That is so crazy. Yeah. That is so crazy. He just clinches on your head. That dude looks so disappointed. He's like, how the fuck did I get tapped here? Look at that. He just clinches on that neck and then slips it in.

He thought he had this one in the bag. Full mount. He's like, I got this motherfucker in full mount. Yeah. He's thinking about the after party and everything. Yeah. Alexei Olenek. That's a bad motherfucker right there.

It's interesting how many people that we're seeing right now from Russia, from the former Soviet Union, Eastern Bloc countries. It's really amazing. I mean, Zabit, Nurmagomedov, you know, you can keep going down the line. There's so many of these guys that are coming up. It's really what a hotbed of talent, especially Dagestan. I mean, how many bad motherfuckers come out of Dagestan? Yeah.

Whew. Zabit versus, I mean, Khabib versus Conor. Like, holy shit, is that fight interesting. What the fuck is going to happen there? If it really happens, you know what I mean? You don't think it's going to happen? Don't say that. Son of a bitch.

Look at him there. I mean, how weird is it looking at Conor with no belt, Khabib with the belt? I mean, forever Khabib was trying to get a shot at that belt. And the way he won it. Crazy shit, man. Setting up this fight. This fight is a fucking interesting fight, man, because if Conor can't

stop that takedown, does he go the way of everybody else? Does he get mauled the way everybody else got mauled? Does he get mauled the way Michael Johnson got mauled? Does he get mauled the way Michael Johnson got mauled? Does he get mauled the way Dos Anjos got mauled? Chandler? Oh, not Chandler.

Johnson? Michael Johnson? Yeah, we said Johnson. Oh, you did? Edson Barboza, he got mauled. The way Barboza got mauled was scary because like halfway into the first round, Khabib's taking him down and you see Barboza just taking a deep breath like this. Like realizing like, oh no.

Yeah. Like what in the fuck is all this about? It's worse than I imagined. Yeah, this is just a completely different thing. Really, I mean, no doubt Conor probably has the heaviest hands in the game, pound for pound. No doubt. But takedown defense and fighting off your back, that has nothing to do with the power. It doesn't translate at all. So what is it going to look like? Is his takedown defense better than Michael Johnson's?

Is his takedown defense better than Edson Barboza? Or Al Iacuinto, who's a wrestler. Yeah. I mean, Al stuffed his takedowns a than edson barboza or ally quinto who's a wrestler yeah i mean al stuffed his takedowns a couple times in the first round yeah but you know the persistence al's a really good wrestler yeah and how how good is connor's it's a good question man he what if he gets what if he gets tired what if he gets taken down easier than all those other guys? You don't know. Right. You know what I mean? He's got Dylan Danis in his corner.

Dylan is a, I think he wrestled in high school. And I'm not too sure. He brought in some Olympic caliber wrestler for his camp. Who did Connor brought in some super high level wrestler for his camp? A famous one? Yeah. James can for his camp. A famous one? Mm-hmm, yeah. James can't find it. A UFC fighter?

I don't believe he's a UFC fighter. Kyle Snyder. Say it again? Is it Kyle Snyder? Does it say that? It says he offered to help him. I don't know if that's who he really brought in. I don't know who he brought in.

But I know that there's some talk about him bringing in some super high-level wrestler. This says that Jordan Burroughs is not working with Conor, which is, that might be who you're talking about. Could be. Well, that would be one who you would want to work with you. That would be someone who you would get asked, but Jordan Burroughs is probably fucking busy. And has he expressed an interest in fighting in MMA?

Because if he does, there's a lot of people that are fucked. He tweeted out on the 13th of August, I'm not working with Conor. I'm attempting to win a world championship of my own in October. It doesn't say. Wrestling. Yeah, it didn't say. Yeah, okay.

Yeah, that's what I was thinking. He probably doesn't have time to help someone with a camp like that. Especially at this point, he's taking off right now. If he ever decides to go into MMA, like, yikes. Yeah. Yeah. I wonder what's going to happen in that fight. I just don't know whether or not Khabib's going to be able to close the distance without getting hit,

whether Conor's going to be able to stay on the outside long enough, whether Khabib's going to come at him like with reckless abandon the way he did with Edson Barboza. I mean, he just stormed after Barboza, just walked him down. Yeah. Is he going to be able to do that with Conor, or is he going to get clipped coming in? I mean, is he going to be able to fade that left hand? Is he going to be able to fade that left hand? Is he going to be able to stop that? And if Conor could just keep him from taking him down a couple of times in the first round,

just a couple of times, just enough to put a little bit of doubt, get a little bit of that shit talking going, and land a couple of good punches. Or does Khabib just grab him early, ragdoll, boom, side control, elbows, punch, knee on belly punch punch punch elbow punch do we just see a mauling it's interesting you know it's it could go either way like i see both i this this is one of those weird fights where i don't know what the fuck's gonna happen but i don't think we're gonna see like some crazy drawn out five round fight i definitely could be wrong but i think we're gonna see like one person dominate whether it's whoever figures out how to impose their game whether it's connor can dominate on the feed or khabib can dominate

on the ground you think that'll be the biggest pay-per-view ever it's gonna be huge it's gonna be so big it's gonna be so how could it not be the biggest one it'll be giant connor's the biggest star right the only thing that's gonna hold it back is mainstream knowledge of it because there's not a lot of press. Because Conor's not doing a lot of stuff. It's not in the news a lot. How many of these regular people know that Conor's going to fight? You never see it on Instagram?

You see it if you follow UFC pages. If you and I see it, you and I see it if we follow MMA pages. Fuck, man. Is Khabib doing interviews is he talking i have no idea i don't know that means no man if you don't know yeah i don't know i mean shit i haven't seen much i mean i've seen some video footage of him training at aka the whole thing's crazy man so so i mean i'm just i'm crossing toes i crossing everything. Just please let this one go down. Please.

I can't imagine someone getting injured. I'd be so depressed. I wouldn't mind if someone got injured. I'd be so sad. Well, you wouldn't because Tony would jump in. And it's still going to be a great fight. It should be a great fight. Either way, they're guaranteed there's going to be some serious shit.

Either Tony versus Khabib, Tony versus Conor, or Conor versus Khabib. I think Tony is one of the more dangerous fights for Conor. Because, first of all, his durability, his endurance is crazy. His ability to fight from anywhere. He fights real good standing up. He puts a pace on you. Doesn't mind getting hit. Always walking forward.

Always walking forward and walking people down. If you hit him, you can hit him and hurt him. Doesn't matter. He survives. He survives. Finds a way to survive and one little scramble clench on the ground and There's a d'Arce right there

I don't know if the Lando Venata fight is totally fair because I you know I mean people look at that and they go it is fair, but I mean I think that was a last-minute fight am I right? He didn't really have a training camp for that one. I don't know if it was because it was a last-minute fight or... Why do I believe it was last-minute? He was... I'm not too sure. All I know, I don't know what happened in that training camp, but it wasn't a legit training camp for Tony.

I'm not making excuses, but that's what happened. Also, one of the reasons why, I don't know if you could look at that, if people are looking at it the right way, because I think Lando is way more talented than people give him credit for. Exactly. I think so, too. Yeah.

I think in moments in his fights, he's just brilliant. Yeah. And I think then he gets tired sometimes, and he has moments where he fades off, and then moments where he's in these crazy wild slug fests. Like the Bobby Green fight's a great example of that. You watch the first round. The first round, he looks smooth as silk, man.

I mean, he just looks fantastic. He looks like a world beater. But he tapers off. He fades a little bit. And I don't know what that is. I'm not sure what's causing him to fade. But I think that at his best, when he hits those real high notes like he did in the Tony fight, he's fucking dangerous, man. Anybody who sleeps on Lando is in real trouble.

He's super athletic. He does wild shit. He's real creative. He knocked out John McDessie with a fucking wheel kick. I mean, whoa. He does wild shit, man. And he moves good, dude. He's got an interesting kind of way of moving, and he's not afraid to scrap.

And that not being afraid to scrap makes him dangerous but also makes him vulnerable, which I think has cost him a little bit. But I think a big one is the endurance. You know, there's some people out there like the guy that's working with TJ Dillashaw. What is his name? The guy down in Southern California, down near San Diego. Calavita, is that his name? What does he teach?

Strength and conditioning coaches. What's his name? I don't know. I'll text TJ. Just Google TJ Dillashaw new strength and conditioning program. These guys like the Nick Cursons and the – Sam Calavita. Sam Calavita.

That guy was – he – if you watch the preparation videos for TJ getting ready for Cody Dillashaw, you see him doing all this wild shit, man. Everyone's doing all these explosive, crazy movements. Just like back when we saw – when BJ was at his best, when Marinovich was training. Yeah. And, you know, Kursan comes from that school, too. You know, that learning under the Marinovich's.

But that kind of crazy plyometric training, all this explosive shit that they're doing, box jumps and crazy things with medicine balls and slamming things and jumping back and forth and back and forth. These guys get in phenomenal shape, man. And I think that's imperative today. I think today, it's almost like it's not, when guys are getting ready for a fight, and this is one of the things that Nick Curzon has said, it's you already know how to fight. Like literally everything should be focused on your gas tank.

Like you only have six weeks. If you don't know how to fight, you're not going to learn in six weeks. You know how to fight. Six weeks should be just crazy gas tank work. And when he gets guys like, like Dos Anjos, when he fought cowboy,

when he gets ahold of guys and you see that style, like when Dos Anjos fought Pettis, when he's got that incredible kind of cardio, that's so hard to fuck with man Yeah, you know the pommel horse is that I say the pommel horse and Pommel right pommel one of those that is well in order to To do that you have to do this exercise when you put your feet there's like a like a chain hanging and it's got like a

weightlifting belt and you put your feet in your ankles and you start doing it on that. And it just spins like. Oh, wow. And Tony's obsessed with it. Nobody can do it like Jeremiah, Jeremy, Chai. I bring in a bunch of 10th Planet black belts in and no one can even kind of do it. Well, can Gio do it? Seems like Gio and Richie would be able to do it.

But he hasn't come to Tony's camp. He's two hours away. It's too hard for him. But those guys, because of their breakdancing background. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's what he's really getting into gymnastics right now, Tony. He's trying to take his fighting. Well, that was giant for George St. Pierre.

Yeah. When GSP started getting into gymnastics, you know, and watching my daughter do it and watching the amount of physical strength that it takes to do like hand springs, back flips and all that stuff. It's all explosion. You know, and being able to control yourself on the bars and the rings. I mean, the amount of physical strength that you have to have to be able to do that. That applies directly to jujitsu.

You thinking about putting some gymnastics equipment up? Dude, I got rings already. Oh, really? I got rings in the back. Oh, shit. You think you're going to try to do an Ironman or what's it called? Iron Cross? some gymnastics equipment up. Dude, I got rings already. Oh, really? I got rings in the back, son. Oh, shit. You think you're going to try to do an Iron Man or what's it called? Iron Cross?

I don't know if I could do that. I'm too fat. I'll hold it out like that. I don't know, man. But it's great for rotation, like as you're doing a chin-up, grabbing it like this, and then as you're doing a chin-up, you know, grabbing it like this. And then as you're doing a chin-up, rotating in.

So I rotate my arms with the rings as I'm doing chin-ups. I like that a lot. I feel like it gives me more of a range of motion than just a bar. I like doing chin-ups on the bar too. But I think that especially like as I get older, like range of motion is very important to not lose that. I see a lot of people, they lose their range of motion because they're not working on their stretching they're not working on do they just do a lot of meathead shit and they don't work on keeping their mobility at a high level you know that's why another thing that i like is stretching out in the sauna you ever stretch out in the sauna man

i haven't done a sauna thing in a while. Anytime you want some, come by. We'll have some fun conversations in the sauna. But getting in the sauna, man, and just you get super heated up and then just start stretching out. Like everything's loose and warmed up. You can just pull things into better positions and just give everything like a stretch. You still doing hot yoga? All the time. Love it. I got to get back into it now.

Now that my shoulders, I think my shoulder could hang with yoga right now. Yeah, just don't put any pressure on it. You want to go with me? Come with me to my class. Let's do it. Let's do it. What days do you go? It depends.

You don't go too early, do you? It depends. Yeah, I go early. What's early? I don't want to say. I'll tell you. Don't tell me no 6 a.m. shit. I want people to show up 5 a.m.

Oh, no, no, no. You got to go in the dark, dude. That's what's up. We do that Kundalini. Fuck that. Go to downtown LA,, no, no. We gotta go in the dark, dude. That's what's up. We do that Kundalini. Fuck that. Go to downtown LA, the place where Denny used to go. That Kundalini,

you know, where you get that DMT trip. Yeah. Like four in the morning. Talk shit. Yeah, they get crazy. They headbang. They shake.

You see them headbanging? I've heard about it. Yeah, I've witnessed it. You were telling me about it. Yeah. Like serious headbanging. Like Metallica style headbanging. There's too many people that say that you can trip balls yeah you're trying to shake out the dmt

demons yeah i get demons out uh we should get out of here anything else anything else going on uh ebi 17 coming up when's that september 29th and a three-week standoff. I wouldn't be in Toronto. At Muscle Farm HQ in Burbank. It's going to be the first 16-man. Twitter permanently bans Alex Jones and InfoWars accounts. Accounts violated the company's abusive behavior policies, Twitter said in a series of tweets. The ban comes weeks after Jones was banned or suspended.

Well, anyways, September 29th is 16-man combat jiu-jitsu. So EBI is just turning into combat jiu-jitsu. And this is downtown LA again? No, no, this is Muscle Farm HQ in Burbank. Oh, shit. Beautiful facility. That's an amazing place. Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah. Dude, Jesse Taylor's in it from the UFC. Three-time black belt world champion Felipe Fogelin is in it one of my one of the fastest rising 10th planet stars John Thor Blank is in it Kyle Chambers who's

also one of the best 10th planet guys coming up it's gonna be a slap fest man slap fest combat jiu jitsu if you haven't seen it is Eddie Bravo's invention. It's the best gap between grappling and MMA training, as far as I'm concerned. Thank you, man. My man.

Thank you. Fun times. Thanks for doing this today. Thank you, dude. We'll have Daniel Cormier on eventually. He fucked up today. Can I plug a couple comedy dates? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Niagara Falls, tinfoil hat comedy in Niagara Falls, September 14th, 15th. And then Philly, October 12th. Syracuse, October 14th. And Houston, November 3rd. Austin, November 4th. Just tell them what website to go to so they don't have to forget this. At Eddie Bravo 10P. Eddie Bravo 10P.

On Instagram. Thank you. And Toronto, we're moving that a venue. It was supposed to be the Ricoh Coliseum. Now it's going to be the Scotiabank Arena. Oh, shit. It's because of a union dispute. We talked about this before.

I'm not crossing any union picket lines. So we moved to a new venue. Is it bigger? Yeah, it's bigger, but it's also a union venue. It's just that they don't have a problem with their contract. It's not the same dispute. So I think it's the same union, in fact. But when we go, when everybody from the old tickets gets their new tickets, then we'll sell.

There's 1,200 more tickets for this new place. So that'll be within the next couple of days, I'm hoping. All right. JoeRogan.com for all that shit. Bye. Thank you. that shit bye thank you