The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #41 with T.J. Dillashaw & Duane Ludwig

Episode Date: September 12, 2018

Joe is sits down with UFC Bantamweight Champion T.J. Dillashaw & Duane "Bang" Ludwig.

Yes, sir. Dog, okay. All right. And then we leave it there. I think you'd be too nervous, yeah, like you said. Boom, and we're live. UFC motherfucking battleweight champion TJ Dillashaw and Dwayne Ludwig. How you doing, Mr. Ludwig?

Master Splinter. What's up, buddy? Good to see you, man. Good to see you. You got golf shirts now, too. Look at you, you respectable motherfucker. I'm 40 now. Oh, you got to be respectful.

I got to step up my game. Yeah. People walking around the dojo and he's got to look dressed to the nines, looking like it's the job. But there's a warning sign on the wall that says explicit language. Oh, so you let people know. People are going to be swearing up in this bitch. Yes, sir. Line up, motherfuckers.

Let's go. Bow on the mat first, though. Do you say that when you teach classes? Do you swear during your classes? So I get into it. Yeah, I'm passionate. Yeah, no, you are. You get fired up.

Yes, that's why I don't teach the kids. We have a separate room for the kids' classes. That's smart, man. Yeah, no, you are. Yeah. You get fired up. Yes, that's why I don't teach the kids. We have a separate room for the kids' classes. That's smart, man. Yeah. So you have a children's program? Yes, sir. Nice. Dude, I love the fact that you take regular classes.

I watch you on the Instagram. Yeah. Bantamweight champion of the world. Oh, yeah. Regular classes with regular people. I see them in there with you like, holy shit. Yeah. All starstruck and weirded out.

Going through drills. Man, I love it. I love, I mean, obviously, none of his you like, holy shit. Yeah. All starstruck and weirded out. Going through drills. I love it. I love, I mean, obviously, none of his classes are regular, though. Right. Even if you're an average Joe coming off the street, like, Dwayne's teaching you the same shit that I'm doing. Right. You know?

But, yeah, working out with a guy that's never had a real fight before, you know, I mean, he'll always remember that. Yeah. You know, he'll always get to work out with me. So it's cool, man. I like doing it. And especially at Dwayne's gym, too, it kind of shows, of shows the true love that I have for the system and being in there. Yeah, I mean, what kind of fucking sport other than MMA is that even possible?

Good point. Right? If it's controlled. Jiu-jitsu, you could do that. But most people don't know who the jiu-jitsu guys are. I mean, you're fighting on fucking television all the time. It's almost too easy to have that happen in this sport. Oh, yeah.

To where there's people you shouldn't be sparring with that it happens you know that's why a controlled environment is awesome that's why like i feel like the small kind of training camps and teams have been so beneficial because you know exactly who you're working out with and who you're getting better with but there are times to work out with the average guys you know not when i'm getting ready for a fight or um don't want to get hurt you know kind of thing. And then his is a very controlled system when we're doing Dutch drills that it's not going to go crazy.

You know, there's so many different approaches to training fighters. Yes, sir. And you obviously have hit, you guys have like the best fighter trainer relationship that I know about because you guys are so tight. It's like you guys are really a team team whereas there's always some weird animosity with fighters and trainers and the blow-ups are just like men and women like when when men and women break up and you fucking bitch you know you fucking you fucking fucking yeah that happens that makes me so sad when I see like fighter

trainer blowouts when they separate and talk shit about each other like god that's so that's such a bummer I think it's both of them have too big of an ego one wants to be like the coach maybe coaching the fighter wants to be more popular or whatever it may be you know um and it just uh I don't know whenever whenever Dwayne came into the gym and as soon as he was there from the first practice I knew we were going to get along he's a crazy motherfucker he likes to go hard um competitive and that's kind of like everything i do you know but you're also you have a very very well thought out system yes sir like i've been i was very impressed with like just your documentation of

your system how you have all these different things worked out like these aren't like just hap i mean there's obviously creative creativity involved when an actual fight is happening but your system is so well thought out and and so comprehensive i feel that's that's what i'm supposed to be doing is organizing the chaos of a fight so that the regular person can understand what's happening when i was fighting and training fighting was scary and uh i was very scared of it so i want to make sure i understood what was going on so i just started mapping it out and a lot of that came from sensei reuben because he had the number system of you know three was jab cross hook rather than three just being the left hook so he sparked the initial

interest to just start categorizing everything put things into a system and it helped out and yeah but you don't sleep he thinks about it non-stop he doesn't sleep there's only one way to be great i'll get a text message in the middle of the night we're coming up to a fight and like it'd be like 12 one o'clock and even if would be, like, 12, 1 o'clock. And even if he's in Colorado, it's 2 o'clock for him. And getting a random text message of what I should be doing for this fight. Like, he's watching sparring tapes of what I was doing. We need to change this.

We need to change that. I mean, this guy cares about my career just as much as I do. And that's why it works, you know. Yeah, that's true. I want him to be the best he can be. So his system changes. I mean, it's a great thought-out system. But, like, I've never had the same training camp.

I don't ever have the same combo. We have like your system base is the same, but it always veers off. I don't even know what the TJ combo is anymore. I think it's changed like eight times. So it's always like an add-on or a change. Well, I remember the first time you fought Hannon Burrell when you won the title. And Dwayne and I had lunch together.

And there was a bunch of people at the table. But Dwayne didn't even know they were alive. He wasn't even paying attention. He was just telling me exactly how it was going to go down. And he was just talking about all the things. And his hands are moving. His shoulders are twitching. Trying to become mad.

His eyes are moving around back and forth. And he was going 100 miles an hour with his voice. I was like, wow, dude, you're geared up. And he goes, he's going to fuck him up. He's going to fuck him up. For sure. I mean, you see the emotion that he shows inside the octagon after the fights. So that's how much he cares going into it.

That's how nervous he is. And like I said, if you have a coach that cares that much about you and your career, then you don't let it go. Yeah. When you were in Sacramento and then you moved to Colorado, you have basically kind of had to start from scratch. A lot of people obviously know who you are. You're a well-sought-out trainer, but you were opening up your own place from scratch.

And now that place is fucking mobbed and you're expanding. Yeah, yes, sir. Yeah, we're expanding and just continuing to grow and have a good positive outlet for people to explore their soul, right? That's why I'm here is to teach martial arts. So I'm glad everyone else is realizing that as well and i can cross paths with the ninjas like tj dillashaw and help them become better martial artists and it's just the good i'm you know 100 living living vicariously through tj and all my athletes and everybody

under the bmt umbrella and it's a good way to give back and basically relive another career for the most part right so and that's what we should be doing anyway is paying the positive lessons forward and on to the next generation and that's uh that's the definition of sensei actually meaning history teacher teacher you know from those who've come before you so and to have somebody like TJ as dedicated as he is it's it's a true blessing and uh that's why I'm all in he's all in I'm all in let's go yeah well it's just rare that you find all's why i'm all in he's all in i'm all in let's go yeah well it's just rare that you find all-in coach and all-in fighter and they get together and you guys have such unique working i'm more than all in same with you like i'm like addicted you know

like i can't like if i'm not completely like full blown into it i mentally am fucked when i get home you know now coming off of this second victory over Cody and then being able to stop him even quicker this time and just all the crazy shit talking that led up to that fight and the results of the first fight, I mean, that's got to be very satisfying to you that everything is going according to plan. Absolutely, man.

It is. Especially with the whole buildup. It was like two years of just bullshit. I'm having to deal with that. And that's not the kind of person I am. I'd rather be in the mountains. You'd not be able to get a hold of me hunting or just camping. If I could disappear, I'd take the advantage to do it.

So that crazy attention and just the shit talk and the TV show, them accusing me of everything, that took a lot. And so for all that to be taken off my shoulders feels great. For you, though, that's got to be a real feeling of retribution, too. No matter what they said, you had the right idea. They might not have been happy that you decided to do it for yourself and the right move for yourself was to go to Colorado and be with Dwayne. But obviously you were right.

Yeah. Oh, a hundred percent. I was right. I mean, that's why I made the decision. I'm definitely, you know, you gotta be selfish in this, this sport. You gotta do what's best for yourself. In some ways without fucking people over, you have to be selfish. Of course. I mean, we have to know what's best for you. And then, so the ultimate decision for me was when I got an ultimatum, you know, like Uriah knew how much I like training with Dwayne. He knew how great it was for my mentality and we just vibed right away you know and they didn't and so when he gave me the ultimatum like look man you're either doing your camp with Dwayne or doing with us I was like well then you don't have my best interest in heart I'm out of here

you know like I sold my house bought uh went up to Colorado like I dropped everything and went dude that was tough and I was a tough situation to go through. And, yeah, I made the right choice. Well, your decision and the way you approached it was very similar to what you were doing, too. Because when I talked to you, you're like, I'm going to open up my own gym in Colorado. And I remember thinking, whenever someone thinks they're going to start from scratch with a new gym by themselves, I'm like, oh, I mean, I wish you well, but damn, that's a lot of work. You know as well as anybody. Yes, sir.

I've known since I was a kid I was going to be a world champion and have my own academy in Colorado. Check, check. Wow. Darting a gym is tough, man. We're doing it now. We've been going through it for the last year, year and a half down here in Southern California. Yeah, and the new place is called? The Training Lab.

The Training Lab. But it's spelled funny. It's got R-E-I-N, like rain. Yeah, because Mark Munoz had rain down in Lake Forest. And Sam Calavita, the guy that I moved down for, for strength conditioning, just his crazy mind. He's beyond smart. Everything he talks about, like I have to be at his house for hours, pretty much doing a podcast with him to figure out what he's talking about. And usually it always goes over your head.

I've gone, like I said, I'm always full blown. I'm in 100 and so as soon as he started showing me the science behind what my body needs to do if it were for my diet my recovery um the days i'm working out my the way i'm doing my strength conditioning what if i'm going to go bigger or how far i am from camp like everything has a rhyme and reason like every calorie i eat every macronutrients i eat he's got it down written down he's like this guy. He stays up late and works. And he doesn't do it for the money or the pride. Like he doesn't want anything.

Like we do it out of his garage. You know, it's like an old Rocky style training with Drago Science. I saw that on the UFC countdown videos. Yeah, man. We're out in the park. You know, we're doing crazy. Like yesterday I was out in the park with him doing a bunch of crazy stuff and a lot of reaction time stuff. And just the way he trains is very, very very scientific and I've seen the gains insanely, you know for as old as I am

I'm the strongest and fastest I've ever been old, you know 32 But I've been trained since I was eight, you know, I never got into diet never gotten into this Until I started picking Sam's brain and I think the real so – I mean, everything – it's not bro science either. We're not like, oh, I think I feel better. I'm testing myself. I've boosted my hormones. I wasn't able to get my wife pregnant for three years, and it happened in three months after meeting Sam.

Like I went full – I went so full-blown that I created my own like spice company around his diet. What has he got you doing differently? How were you eating before? And what were you doing before for strength and conditioning before you met him? So it was – I didn't care about what I ate. I don't cut much weight. You know, 35s isn't a very big cut for me. What do you walk around at?

Like right now I probably walk up 150 this morning. That's a little bit lighter than normal, but I haven't been doing my – I have to – I bulk up to go 35s. I put on another, like, good five pounds of muscle before I start to even worry about my weight at 35s. But I was just eating whatever, you know. And I used to make fun of Danny for being gluten-free. Like, ah, give me more gluten. I don't care. I'll eat whatever I want.

I'm the best, you know. I'll just train hard, train harder than everyone. But not only my age, but just learning the science behind it. Now I'm not eating grains, you know, no sugars unless it's a simple, like, uh, from fruits and stuff like that. Um, yeah, man, I mean, it's, it's a special diet. I'd say like the club, you like almost go like paleo keto kind of, but obviously our bodies can't do that because I need the simple carbs and new carbs are run off and stuff. But, uh, yeah, man, he's real. I don't want to give away all the secrets, but yeah, man, he's, he's changed up a lot with me. He don't want to give away all the secrets, but yeah, man, he's changed up a lot with me. He don't want to give away all his secrets.

But when it comes to nutrition, like what is different? Like what kind of protein does he have you eating? What portions of protein? How much of it is fat? Are you getting your fat from avocado, coconut oil? What are you getting it from? Oh, yeah, a lot of nuts, a lot of coconut oils. They even pre-make my meals.

Really? I don't even think about what meals I'm eating. So Jesus Christ, he does all three of my meals and two of my snacks every day. And you live in that area when you're in training camp? Yes. Yeah. So I just bought a house in Yorba Linda. Ah, it's a nice area.

Dude, I love it. It's amazing. It's a real good family area, good school district. So, um, that's how you know your life has changed when you're looking at houses for school districts. Dude. Yeah. Trust me.

Being a father's grace. But I'm lucky. It's a change of the whole shifting of your world. It's everything. Yeah, I mean, it's everything. That's all you think about, you know? It takes a while to realize you're a different person. Like, oh, I'm a different person than I used to be.

I remember you made a comment before saying that there was an old banana or a fresh banana or something, right? There was a bit from my act. Oh, is that what it was? That's when I realized there was two bananas. and one of them was like yellow and perfect and the other one was brown and fucked up but my daughter loves bananas so i took that brown fucked up banana and i ate it because i realized that i was i was putting her above me and that that was i'd never thought about that before and then i said because i love my wife she's an awesome person but if it's just me and her that bitch is getting a shitty banana

that's what i drive a freaking subaru car because it's got five star crash rating good in the snow so yeah i think of the kids for sure subaru they, Subaru, they own Denver. Yeah, Colorado. They own it. There's tons of Subarus. They own Colorado. But I did just get a Tesla. Oh. So I'm supporting the podcast. Well, not like I just dropped 50 grand. You go on the website. You punch in the information.

You put in a $1,000 deposit, and then you've got to wait for a while for it to be built. So it's not like I dropped 50 grand. And then I'm going to lease it through the business anyway. But I've been wanting to get one for a while. It's funny, man, how Subarus, they've proven themselves in Colorado just for reliability. They're awesome. Yep. There's a ton of old ones still floating around.

Everywhere. Literally, if you go through Boulder, it's like 50% Subarus. I would say that, yeah. They've just said, let's just cut the shit. This one is the best in snow. Let's stop fucking around. They never break. Fucking Japanese cars, man.

I've had three Lexuses. Never's stop fucking around. They never break. Fucking Japanese cars, man, they never, I've had three Lexuses. Never had a single problem with any of them. That's a good built car. Over like 15, 20 years I've had Lexuses. They never fuck up.

Perfect. They just start, vroom, every time. No fuck ups. 300,000 miles on it, it's still gonna run. Yeah,

other cars you get in, the windows roll halfway down, what the fuck's going on? Ding, ding, ding. Lights go off in the dashboard. What is this? It shuts off. Ah, fuck.

Put black tape over it. You won't see it no more. Yeah, well, you know, I don't know. It's got to be difficult to build cars. Speaking of cars, does everybody know you have that fucking thing outside? Are you allowed to talk about it? Oh, yeah, I'm allowed to talk about it, yeah. You got one of my favorite cars ever.

Dude, I love it. The new NSX. It's an amazing car. That thing's a spaceship. It really is, man. Yeah, spaceship. That to talk about it, yeah. You got one of my favorite cars ever. Dude, I love it. The new NSX. It's an amazing car. That thing's a spaceship. It really is, man. Yeah, spaceship. That's a real spaceship. It's a real fun car.

Doesn't it? What are we talking about? It has four engines. Three of them are electric. I mean, it is a crazy- And it's got that twin turbo V6. I mean, it's only got high 500s in horsepower. There it is.

Look at that fucking thing. But it- Only got high 500s But the torque on it Is insane Because it's a It's a Two electric motors

So off the start It's so fast Zero to 60 in 2.9 seconds Jesus It's fast dude So good looking too Yeah I love the way they look

They look like a car That's supposed to be built In 2018 You know what I mean It's like that shit's From the future It took them a long time To create that car

I mean they stopped making The second generation shit's from the future. It took them a long time to create that car. I mean, they stopped making the second generation NSX, like what? 2005. I had one. Oh, did you? Yeah. That's why you're a huge fan of them, too. Yeah. I had one in the early 90s, and then I had one in 2003.

Okay. Yeah. Did you like the early 90s or 2000? No, I liked the headlights better than the newer one. Okay. But they're all awesome. Yeah. It's not a fast car. Like, if you buy it, I think than the newer one. Okay. But they're all awesome. Yeah. They're just, it's not a fast car.

Like if you buy, I think it had 270 horsepower. Okay. But it's all aluminum. It's mid-engine. It sounds amazing when it gets high, like in the high revs. But it doesn't sound like, it's not like an old Mustang. It's like, fuck you. Like metals that drive on the street.

It's like a sophisticated sound. Yeah. But a sophisticated sound. Yeah. But a cool sound. The VTEC engine. That was my one problem with the new NSX was how quiet it was because it's a hybrid. So I'm like, like I said, it's one of three cars in the United States right now that have a custom exhaust for it and make it sound a lot better. This guy out in Chicago, a B-Rogue, I think it is, has designed an exhaust for it. You know, that car is also, even though it's an Acura,

that car is made and designed in the United States. Yeah, the factory's in Ohio, right? Yeah. Yeah, it's a total American car. But it's under the Acura. I mean, what is American anymore? I mean, I don't even understand it anymore. Everything I order stuff is always from China or Pakistan or something.

But it's also like the parts. Like, are all the parts made here? Everything? No way. Assembled. That's an issue with Harley Davidson, right? Trump wants us to ban Harley Davidson's now? I didn't know that. Boycott Harley Davidson's? Really? Yeah, because Harley Davidson

is going to shift their factories to somewhere to make some part of it or maybe all of it. Shouldn't he be talking about Elon Musk and saving the world? I don't know. I don't think anybody could do Trump's job. I don't think anybody could do Trump's job. I don't think anybody could be president. I think it's stupid to ask one person

to have that much responsibility. Yes. That person, then he's got 10, 15 people to handle that job. At least. For sure. Maybe 30. There's no way I'd ever want the pressure of that job.

Fuck that job. Fuck that job. I wonder how much he's actually doing, though. I wonder how much pussy he's getting. I really want to know. Because I don't think he's stopped getting pussy. He's like, I'm Trump. Yeah, for sure.

He's still on the roll. There's got to be, I mean, whether him and Melania still hook up. She seems upset with him. It's interesting. It's a drama. Just watch it all go down. Like, is the investigation closing in on him? Are they going to put him in jail?

Or is he going to be like, fuck you. I'm getting on my spaceship. I'm flying away. I don't know. For sure he has a spaceship. Well, if he doesn't, he's trying to find out if he can get one. A gold one that says Trump on the side of it. That's why he's got to work with Elon Musk again.

Yeah. He's got to get a spaceship real quick. Well, Elon bailed on him when they got out of the Paris Accord. Ah. Yeah. The Climate Accord. I don't know. Yeah.

I don't know enough about this. I don't know how your brain holds on to even that much information I don't know either man I remember too much it's a problem I don't remember shit but like my wife will tell me from Tuesday I'm like what you told me that she's like we're standing right here she'll like go over all the details

she remembers all of it I'm like okay I guess you're right okay for sure but I'll tell you in 1852 – Exactly. Exactly. Pull up some facts and stats. Some stupid stats.

That's how I am. When it comes to martial arts, I feel like I understand, have a good grasp on what's happening. But outside of martial arts, I don't know that much. Yeah, but that's probably good, man. I think there's something – there's some real power in that, having a singular focus. I think in order to be great at something, you have to be that way. I wouldn't say singular, but I would say very dominantly focused. Yeah, I think you're right.

Because if I was only thinking about MMA, I would not be here. Yeah, that's a good point, right? You need some other things that interest you to relieve the pressure. You have to. Otherwise, it's too much and you snap. What is the best one for you? Escape-wise? Yeah.

Jumping on my Malibu boat in my backyard in Colorado and wake surfing and just getting out. Or hunting, both those. I like getting out. I just went and hiked around in the mountains of Colorado for, I only got to do two and a half days because I'm too busy. But by myself, no one else. First time I ever hunted in the area. I scouted it like three days before camp. But just went out by myself.

Didn't have a cell phone reception, nothing. Just to your own thoughts for two and a half days. So this time of year, archery mule deer, was that what it was? Yeah, so I tried getting an elk tag in Colorado, but I didn't draw. I did draw a mule deer tag for the same area. So it's heavily dominated elk, so it's hard to get a mule deer there. Yeah, it's hard to get those two to coincide with each other. But that's hard hunting.

That's mountain hunting. That's the real deal. Yeah, man. I mean, you're going from 8,000 to 10,000, 11,000, 12,000 feet. You know, hike two or three of those mountains, and you're toast when you get back. Hey, man, when you do that, bring that Shroom Tech Sport. That Onyx Shroom Tech Sport. Any Cordyceps mushroom supplement, anything along those lines, that's literally how it came about.

They realized these high-altitude cattle herders were realizing that their cows were more active when they were eating these certain mushrooms. And that's the Cordyceps mushroom. We actually grow it. We don't grow it, but we buy it from people who grow it. They grow it off caterpillars. Oh, no way. They grow it off caterpillars. Oh, no way. They grow it off the caterpillar? Yeah, it's fucking weird shit, man.

All cordyceps mushrooms are grown that way? I don't know about all, but a lot of them. That's crazy. Yeah, they grow them on caterpillars. So they're definitely not vegan. I take Shroom Tech and Alphamint before every session. So is that a plant-based? It's fungal-based.

Okay. Well, yeah, mushroom does. Yeah. Mushrooms, they take in air, and they breathe out carbon dioxide like we do. They're closer to animals than they are to plants. That's a whole different category. You ever listen to Paul Stamets? No.

Oh, my God. I did a podcast with him. Strap yourself in. Take three hits. Hold on tight. Buckle down and listen to that guy's podcast. He's a real mycologist. podcast with him, strap yourself in, take three hits, hold on tight, buckle down, and listen to that guy's podcast. He's a real mycologist, an actual scientist who studies mushrooms, and he's amazing.

So that's how cordyceps mushrooms are grown. Okay. Where's the caterpillar? Underneath that? No, you can just buy it. That's a culture of them. Oh, that's a culture of them? Yeah.

I thought it would have a caterpillar in there. Oh, okay. So this is for your home. That's probably even better, right? You get it it fresh i don't know how you make it i don't know how to make it either a lot of dudes grow shrooms though it's pretty easy apparently yeah um but just it's a phenomenal supplement and if you're doing anything high altitude it will absolutely increase your endurance that is one of the only supplements that i'll tell people look if you're skeptical about any of this shit, please, I want you to, before you work out, an hour before, you take four Shroom Tech sports and get ready because you're going to have an extra gear. You've got one extra gear in training.

It's like one extra push. Like I was saying earlier, I take them before every session with TJ. It's Shroom Tech and Alpha Brain. It's the B12. It's cordyceps mushrooms, B12, and adaptogens. And those are all really important things for energy. So does Calavita have you doing all kinds of supplementation? And what has he got you taking?

So everyone's got a different supplement plan because he does a hair analysis from us and decides. Jesus Christ, he's a scientist. Oh, he really. Everything's got numbers, man. Everything. Hair analysis. Yeah. I love it. So he really, everything's got numbers, man, everything. Hair analysis. Yeah. I love it.

So my supplement base would be different than Dwayne's. I mean, a lot of us have, we have the same aminos. We have the same creatine. Obviously, depending on where you're going for a fight, you know, that kind of stuff. But when it comes down to what's in your body mineral-wise, like I might have more magnesium or more this or more that. It gets our body back to homeostasis. So a takeout we have too much of. I might need more magnesium or more of this or more of that. And it gets our body back to homeostasis. So we'll take out what we have too much of. I might need more vitamin B.

Was there an example of things you didn't – you have too much of? I have – well, I have too much arsenic in my body. Oh, what were you eating? I think it's rice. I think the rice is given a lot of – because rice is heavily – because it's grown in water. And so the arsenic is coming out of the water. Oh, wow. Yeah.

Yeah, so I think it's – it could be from my tattoos as coming out of the water. Oh, wow. Yeah. Yeah, so I think it's all right. It could be from my tattoos as well. I mean, tattoos. Oh, really? Yeah, the ink has arsenic in it. I'm fucked. Yeah, man, the only person that had more arsenic in my body than me in our camp was Cub Swanson. Wow.

And he's all covered in tattoos. His whole bag and stuff, yeah. That is crazy. Now, did they find a way to eliminate it? Can you eliminate it? Yeah, so I'm taking a lot of different stuff for it, but I'm taking chlorella. I juice every day. I juice cilantro.

Cilantro is good for heavy metals, getting a detox. I'm taking methionine, which is like amino to pull it out of your body. And then he's got some drops on me. I'm on two. I don't even know what they are. Now, have you got you got a second test yeah it's come down by over 50 oh wow yeah i had so if it's still in your system and it's not uh you're not eating rice anymore so it's got to be from your tattoos yeah it could be i mean or is it just slowly you can't so you can do a collation where they do it by iv but that stuff's like it, it's hard on you how fast it comes out.

So it comes out in like pimples. It'll come out like when I have, it started coming out of my arm. Like it would mainly, I'd get pimples throughout my arm. And that's kind of your body pushing it. You also push it through your urine and things like that. But it'll come out of your skin. You got arsenic zit, son. Yeah.

How weird. Yeah. I tested for arsenic once, but I was eating sardines. I was eating a lot of sardines and apparently they, they live around the bottom of the ocean and they get a lot of the heavy metal poisons from that way. That's crazy, but it makes sense with rice. That totally makes sense. Yeah. But everyone's got different supplements. Like, uh, it just depends on what's in your body, like how, like what you need to get back to perfect homeostasis. And then he adds like, on what's in your body, like what you need to get back to perfect homeostasis.

Right. And then he adds like the certain amino body – or muscle building and ubiquinol and the krill oils and things like that for building new red blood cells and things like that. What is his scientific background? So I don't know all of that. I know he worked for NASA. He was like working with the nuclear anti-defense system. Um, he was, um, like working with a nuclear anti-defense system and then he missed a Christmas or something and decided to, uh, move home and be a school teacher. And he became a calculus teacher.

Whoa. Um, and he does like a private high school and, uh, people travel all over the world to do his class, to take his class. Um, he won some award to be in the best calculus teacher in the world. Like all of his kids on his placement test, uh, scored scored i don't know if it's perfect or very high and it was so yeah he's he's just uh like math math will tell you everything and the numbers it's not like i said it's not bro science it's to the exact you know exactly if you're getting better um yeah well he must apply that science to his understanding of of energy and of intensity because the way you guys train, it's very intense, very explosive.

It reminds me a lot of what I'm seeing at least of Marv Marinovich's type training, a lot of plyometrics, a lot of things along those lines. Would that be fair to say? Absolutely. But then we're also doing deadlifts and cleans, and we're doing a lot of stuff, man. And he mixes it up a lot? Yeah, depending where you're at in your camp, how your body – also the recovery. So the recovery is huge. He listens to our body while we're sleeping.

So he gets a report every morning of how – He's next to you in the bed. Pretty much. He had a couple glasses of wine last night. Why are you not recovering? He just knows – or if he knows you're too stressed out, he'll tell me when I'm going to get sick. Yeah. Like, he's caught on to me getting sick before I got sick.

Really? He's like, oh, your body's about to crash. Like, you need to, like, take the next day, next two days off. Like, you need to really rest. He helped keep TJ in that last fight. Yeah. He helped repair some injuries, right? We don't have to talk about him, but he helped.

Without Sam, that fight may have been different. Probably my last two fights. Yeah, you're right. I've been dealing with some serious stuff the last couple of fights, but I've been able to keep my body very, very strong. Well, I know you also spent some time with Dr. Neil Reardon down in Panama. Was that for the same type of injury? Same thing, yeah.

So a combination of the science of stem cell and Dr. Neil Rorden as well as Maura here. I mean, I got stem cells in the States. I got them in Panama. Like, I've had to do a lot to hold myself together kind of thing, you know, and I feel great because of the way I'm training. I don't think people understand the kind of strain on your body a fight camp puts. It's fucking crazy. I mean mean if i worked out the way you guys did once i'm wrecked for a week but that's what you're doing two days every day constantly going at it and then there's ice baths what does he have you doing sauna ice bath what does he have

you got um for our recovery i mean mainly it's just a lot of most of the time taking the time off but we have um it's always changing. It's always evolving too. He's got like this iMile Pro we do for like some sort of stim on our muscles. I do light therapy. Stim, like electrical stim. I do light therapy. There's this new place he's starting to work with down in Mission Viejo called like O2 Recovery Center where we'll do cryo, we'll do hyperbaric chamber,

we'll do, what is it, CVAC or something like that. Yeah. A bunch of different stuff we're going to add to it. CVAC is the machine we were talking about really recently where it jacks you up in altitude and then brings you down and changes the pressure inside that little tube. That's supposed to be pretty amazing. Did you have good results with that? I actually haven't done it yet.

So it's something he's told me now that like we're going to add this now. Like it's always like every time I come back to camp, it's like we're adding the next step. He doesn't do it all at once. As it should. Life's always changing and evolving. It's never. It'd be like you teaching me the BMT black belt system right away without knowing any of it. So he like gets my body like slowly adapted to certain things and then he adds to it.

What about massage? A lot. Yeah. Yeah. What kind of massage? He doesn't have me do it. I, and then he adds to it. What about massage? A lot, yeah. Yeah? What kind of massage are they doing? He doesn't have me do it. I just do it because I love it. Yeah. But I always do deep tissue for the most part.

And then a lot of the mat, like the stretching, kind of like a- Thai massage type stuff? Yeah, a lot of Thai massage. And then also, yeah, exactly. I forgot. They stretch out really well. They stand on your back and pull your arms up. I have a student, Brett Tomasini.

He is by far the best massage therapist I've ever come across. Really? He's badass. There's someone out there. Man, he's got a black belt in massage therapy, that's for sure. Like a good massage shouldn't feel that great to the average person. Like it's going to hurt. It's supposed to hurt.

It's how you're going to feel afterwards. And I actually now have learned to enjoy the pain kind of thing um well yeah actually so i'm i've been working this whole last camp too a guy that really helped me get to my camp was um i'm an idiot right now it's drawn a blank but uh javier he uh did a lot of body work on me um that hold me in place as well too body work as opposed to to, like, what is body work as opposed to regular massage? So he's more of, like, the nervous system will follow your pathways and really find out what's weak. Like, he'll tell me, like, something that's, like,

weak before I even let him know before the massage kind of thing. How can he tell that? I don't know how he can tell that. I'm not really sure. I'd have to have him tell you. So there's something weird about people that touch people's bodies all the time. And you go, this is all horseshit. And then they put their arm on your shoulder.

What's going on with your shoulder? You're like, what? What do you mean? And like, it's very tense up here. You have an injury you're nursing? Like, what? Yeah, how'd you know? How the fuck do you know?

There's that sixth sense for sure. Something's going on. They just get used to the difference between your left side and your right side. You're like, oh, something's going on here. It's like everything else, right? Your understanding of what an athlete is capable of is so different than a person who doesn't train. I think it's got to be, we can't imagine someone being able to touch your pec

and go, oh, you've got a tear. You've got a muscle tear. You're like, what? But there's also those massage therapists that will do something like, how does that feel? Do you feel better? It's like, oh, yeah, I guess I feel better. But this guy will find my weaknesses

without me even telling him. He'll know things that I need to get worked on. He knows my hips are aligned. Kind of almost like a chiropractor as well, but he doesn't do chiropractic work. Good. Yeah. You don't like chiropractors, huh? I just don't think it's real. I love them. I love to get lined

back up. Good. I've had my neck just tweaked and not be able to do anything and then get lined back up and be ready to go. It's definitely helped me. Massage, I think, works better than anything. But it's just too much about what chiropractic medicine was, how it started. It started by a guy who was a magnetic healer

who learned about it in a seance. Then his son murdered him and took over the business. Turned out to be something good. People are crazy, huh? The good thing about it, I mean, it's interesting what's good and what's not. You know, what's provable. It's very interesting. People always say that it's a part of the National Institute of Health Care.

Is that what it is? A part of their recommended program. But it's not anymore. They removed it. There's no real evidence that shows it is? A part of their recommended program. But it's not anymore. They removed it. There's no real evidence that shows it works. The thing about it is, though, it's like I just adjusted myself. Like I adjusted my knuckles. That's literally what they're doing, what they're doing to your back.

I've had over 100 fights or whatever and had my neck jacked up and wrestling and shots. And I've had pretty significant injury where I couldn't change lanes and turn and drive and then go get adjusted and be back to square one. I think I've done the same thing with massage. I think there's something to people touching you and working on stuff and loosening you up in a way that you can't do. And I'm not saying that there's not good chiropractors out there that really understand all the other things like cold laser therapy and different kinds of manipulation in terms of like you know muscle stretching and um um what is that type of uh rolfing rolfing is legit it's a brutal massage just a brutal brutal massage but it's one of those things where it breaks everything down and then after it's over everything's very loose okay and there's there's a

lot of chiropractors that are really good physical therapists, too. But just the underlying principles of what the chiropractic medical practice is, it started off with nonsense. The guy thought he could fix everything by adjusting you. Oh, something wrong with your eyesight? Let me fix it. Yeah, there's going to be limits for sure. Let me fix it.

I'm going to crack your neck and you're not going to have bad breath anymore. That's stupid. But if he tells you to believe it, people are like, oh, nice, I do. The power of belief is huge. That's part of the problem. It's one of the things they prey on. One of the things that they use is, and there's levels to this whole thing. It's not just regular chiropractors.

There are levels. There's different kinds of air quote healers that have different systems. They think they can push down the middle of your back and cure your pancreas. So much horse shit. But it's not real. But there are a bunch of things you can do that are real. And massage is one of them. Massage, it's absolutely a fact that it's helped loosen people up and relax people. And just something about being manipulated like that.

Like somebody really digging their elbow into your tissue and loosening everything up. We got this fucking Tim Tam. You ever use one of these? Yeah. I have a Tim Tam and I have a Theragun as well, too. This is the mother. I think I have yours. Okay, cool.

He probably doesn't have it in his mind. I think I have his. That thing is the shit. That thing is amazing. For us, thank you. Oh, yeah. For us, a, yeah. He probably doesn't have it in the money. I think I have his. That thing is the shit. That thing is amazing. Faraz, thank you. Oh, yeah. Faraz, a hobby in the house. He sent me one of those.

You have anything that's knotted up and really bothering you, you got to hammer it with that fucking thing. And then afterwards, it's like, ooh. One of my students made one of those out of a little drill or a gun. A sawzall. Yeah, a sawzall, I think. Put a tennis ball or something on it. Yeah, that's essentially what this is.

I mean, it's just the same kind of motor that's going up and down. He's like, don't buy that. I got to make this thing for $30. I'm good. Just get a fucking leg off. So when you guys are

doing camp, do you move down to California for the, what do you do, six or eight weeks? How many weeks are you doing? I do a lot. I do more than I

probably should. But I mean, I'd almost do camp before I get into camp kind of thing. Really? To get yourself in shape? Yeah, I like to be in shape when camp starts. I'm more than I probably should. I'd almost do camp before I get into camp kind of thing. Really? To get yourself in shape? Yeah, I like to be in shape when camp starts. Always developing new things. I would say this camp, Dwayne came out, started coming

out nine weeks before the fight. Maybe ten? Yeah. It was a little extra. It was more than two months. And he would do three days. He'd come out, fly out. Monday, Wednesday, Friday. I'm sorry. Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday. So he'd be out here three days, back home four days. Split in time.

But it worked out well. With that, I was able to find a, which I was already aware of. Slow down, motherfucker. Sorry, I get excited. You're doing great. No problems. I got my notepad right here. Slow down.

I just feel like I'm in the corner. I'm going to tell you, Dwayne was like, I got to talk slower today. I'm going to talk slower. People always complain I talk too fast. I'm going to talk slower. But you get a lot of information in in that one minute of corner time. That's what I talked about because that's why I talk fast. This is why I'm wired, why I talk fast.

I got about 30 seconds to talk and relay information, which is also why I have the actual system and code all the drills and combinations so I can condense it. I don't want to say jab, cross, hook, cross, three. For instance, you can get in the corner for my tomorrow fight, tell me what to do, and I walk out there, and 30 seconds later i knock him out whatever it is you know like because you're able to get the information off and there's a system to it yep laying out mapping there's there's routines and there's uh patterns of success you know uh there are

higher percentage drills and combinations that have been proven to be successful well how about we just keep practicing those obviously it's up to the athlete to find the timing distance and accuracy to pull them off and you have to believe there they are yeah the power of the belief right yeah well you have to believe in the system too like i can't be like like if i didn't believe exactly what duane was telling me or that he can see it that i know he can see it because he's good at it like why are you really going to go out there and do what he says that's one thing i had with boss too whenever he gave me information i did not doubt it at all as i know he's been there and done that and it wasn't stuff that he felt he would do it's's stuff that he knew that I should do, right?

And I feel I understand TJ and I could give him the proper information for the proper time. But also I know when to sit back and let him flow as well, right? And when to type in and give him information. And he's really good about receiving information as a case in point, the first fight with Cody between the rounds. We had to drastically change things. And what we needed to change was just the timing of our attack it's pretty simple to me fighting is now I I don't I don't think I know it all I mean I know I don't know it all but it's all I know and I know a lot

that's for sure but I was going back to earlier traveling out here three days a week and back home four days again I found a really good... Fuck, slow down, motherfucker. You're doing great. I found a good rhythm of us, as far as pulling off information, as far as the paths, the class, sparring, and so it's like we're layering it up, we're practicing it in class, now we're sparring with it,

and then going back to what we need to work on. So I found a really good pyramid for TJ to retain or for anyone to retain the information. Kind of condensing it into three days. It was really fun. I look at it as an experiment. What's the most optimal way for someone to perform and fight safe and effectively?

It's fun. I love this shit. There's a lot of people that want to go to these big, giant super camps. And I know with Alpha Male, you were in a big, giant super camp. What you're doing now is very different and that's this is something that obviously steep Amy Oh chitch was doing there's a lot of other fighters that we're doing that are doing where a lot of it is based around them Mighty

Mouse in particular that's he's another one I mean there are unquestionably professional fighters around them but it's not like they're in a building with six other world champions and there's a bunch of savages that are coming up and everybody's trying to kill each other. It's a different setup. A lot of it is geared towards you. It is, and it's just the natural way

it kind of happened this time. Is this better? What is better? Is it better to be in the doghouse with all the alpha male guys where it's all just animals trying to kill each other quality over quantity yes if it's if it's not for money you know what i mean when these big gyms turn into something that wants to make money then the real martial arts comes out of it when you have coaches and people running it that are really going to not want to like i have a gym in the training lab so i'm very fortunate that i

have steve martin a guy that's been he's put his heart and soul into this thing to keep this building open because we're not making money we're not we're not we're not gonna help we don't have a it's pretty much private i teach a kids class and we do adult boot uh boot camp kind of things just to turn the lights on just so the bills are paid and then some sponsors here and there to pay the coaches like we're losing money and thank god that we have a guy like steve martin that's willing to see our dream that we want to build a team that is not based around money that it's uh um whatever money we end up making from the gym is going every dollar to the coaches you know like i don't want to i don't want to make money i don't want that awkward

relationship between me and one archuleta that i'm making money off him you know what i mean because then you get that weird business relationship. Right. Rather than us just having a real relationship, like me wanting him to get better, him wanting me to get better, which I felt like maybe it used to kind of be that way at Alpha Male, but it's turned into a money thing to where, I don't know, man. It wasn't like, there wasn't like, before we got Dwayne, we had no coach. It was just us coaching each other kind of thing, you know? Yeah, that's not usually the best thing.

No, we were just beating each other. we were sparring four or five days a week yeah dude i mean i picked up stuff fast because of it you know like you had to learn how to fight right um and i'm aggressive and i like that stuff but it's not smart you know right in terms of like your overall health longevity in the sport yeah you know um yeah so i i i've controlled i've turned into a real professional athlete sport instead of it just going to the gym and going ham like i can go everywhere from my diet everywhere from the way i work the times i work out my schedule my recovery um luckily i'm having duane is able to travel out with me um i built a i built an awesome facility right now with mark muñoz circling back around

being a coach, Daryl Christian Felipe De Monica and all these guys it's not money driven so it's doing great right now we're awesome, we're doing awesome yeah he really does have a really good crew of people around him in all aspects and this is in, it's not your Belinda?

we're in Anaheim oh beautiful, that's great so when the UFC's in Anaheim. Oh, beautiful. Yeah. That's great. So when the UFC's in Anaheim, you're a hop, skip, and I jump away. Oh, yeah, we're right there. I mean, even fighting in L.A. was nice. I mean, you know, didn't have to fly nowhere. It was cool to fight in your backyard.

Dan Lambert did all this before anybody. I mean, Dan Lambert, in terms of, like, throwing money at things and putting American Top Team together. Oh, yeah, that's right, Top Team, yep. I mean, that guy, he spent a fuckload of money. I think he texted me. Put fighters on salary and then recently built a giant place with dormitories and everything. That guy, out of all the people, he's probably the pioneer of digging deep into his wallet and putting together a crazy gym set up like that.

Yeah, he's been into that. But it's a different kind of crew. You go down there then there are a ton of world champions there's a ton of professional athletes and you know it's you're not necessarily going to get the singular specified training that you're getting right now yeah for sure and then but we're also really so yeah you could be really good and we want you in our gym but if you have the right personality as well too it's not only about your skill to come and train with our gym and be a pro athlete there we also you also got to vibe with us.

Right. If we don't have the vibe, then egos are going to get involved and the gym is going to split up. This guy is going to go here. This guy is going to go there. How do you determine that? Do you get to know them first and then let them in the gym? Yeah, we always let everyone in to see how they're going. If they don't work out, then we tell them, like, hey, man, this isn't the spot for you. We don't have an open spot for you.

You can see it, though, with the drills and the Dutch drills and just the drilling in general, how caring somebody is, right? Right. There's four rules I ask my guys to follow, and they're all rules that revolve around accountability. It's show up on time, get better, get tired, take care of your partner. You do those four simple things and we're good. It's pretty simple. Those are very good rules.

Yeah, it's a sport that attracts people who are troubled. Yeah, agreed. Yeah, the Romans, the misfits. Yeah, and then a lot of people that have been abused, they want to get people back. There's a lot of that. I remember a lot of when I was younger, the more aggressive, meaner people,

when you would find out more about them, you'd find out there was child abuse. Dad used to beat them up. Stepdad beat him up. There was always something that they were trying to get back at people for. I feel like the sport is changing enough now that it's a very common thing that kids want to do. And so now you have kids with a good upbringing wanting to do it.

Yeah. It's a challenging possible career now. And a fighter, a young kid coming up sees someone like you, and they go, okay, look at this guy. He's a two-time world champion, super respectful, articulate, real friendly, doesn't have a chip on his shoulder, likes, you know, shaking hands and taking pictures

and being around people. Oh, you don't have to be an asshole. Like, you don't have to be some brooding asshole. For sure. Yeah. I mean, you'll get paid for it more these days but yeah that's interesting right you get paid more for being a complete asshole you know and make if you don't mind making a fool of yourself then you'll get paid more you know well like colby

yeah yeah like to the extreme to where like what come on colby's hilarious i don't know i think it's funny man when he actually went to the fucking white house and put the the thing on donald trump's desk gave him the belt. I was like, that is hilarious. He actually did it. Yeah. You know what would really be funny? If it turned out this whole time he was a Democrat, and this was all just a big act, really super pro-gay rights.

So if it would have been a Democrat in the office, he'd be a Democrat. Whoever's in the office, that's who he's going to be. Well, he's just doing it only specifically just for promotion yeah him and Tyron Woodley is gonna be crazy that's gonna be crazy so you know

the videos on the internet the one black dude that says I'm Tyron and fuck this or fuck that whatever you know the

internet guy oh they're hilarious can you pull up one of those videos of Tyron they're so funny he just it would've been funny

I'm sorry you gotta explain what the fuck you're talking about would have been funny. I'm sorry. You got to explain what the fuck you're talking about. One of my search answers is Tyrone. Fuck Tyrone. He's hilarious, right?

Watch it. He'll pull it up, but it would have been funny. Is it Tommy Toehold? No. Do you know what I'm talking about, Jamie? You do?

Thank goodness because I have no idea. Okay, so watch this first. Watch one of these. Okay, give me some, I'll give you some, hold on, bring it from the beginning. This is. Watch one of these. Okay, give me some. I'll give you some. Hold on. Bring it from the beginning.

This is a long compilation of it. He just kind of walks around and bullies people, sort of. It's kind of a joke. Is that him, though? Yeah, yeah. That's not the regular Tyrone, huh? This is another one. This is a different Tyrone.

This is a different guy? Yeah, this is a different one. The other one, he's a different guy. No, he'll do No, he'll go. I mean, you're just typing Tyrone Black Dude in the internet. I mean, you're going to get a lot of videos. It's hilarious. So it would have been funny because that's not the best clip

because if he would have won the belt, oh, no, he won the belt. I'm Tyrone, and this is my motherfucking belt. So if you watch these videos, an actual good video of the Tyrone, and if Tyrone would do that in the cage, I was, I've been thinking about this for a while.

That should have been so fucking funny. But it's not funny if you don't know the damn videos. Shit. Jamie, pull that up.

That's it. I watched the Rogan show. That was the guy. I didn't mean to steer your line, Mr. Rogan. Sorry, sir. That's hilarious.

Yeah, he was almost after he won, like, like nothing happened. Yeah. Well, he just, he knew it, right? by UFC wants me to fight. Yeah. It was almost after he won, like nothing happened. Yeah. He just knew, right? I'll fight anybody UFC wants me to fight. But it's just weird, you know?

Is this another one? That's him. Is that the same guy? Yeah. This is the one where he gets beat up for saying he's going to fuck somebody's wife or something like that. I'm Tom Brown. Here it is. And fuck this Lucane-looking motherfucker.

I'm here to fuck your wife. Long and thick style. What you looking at him for? Fucking serious? Huh? What's up? What's up? You want to make a move? What's up you looking at him for? What's up? You want to make a move? Do something.

I ain't scared. I'm Tyrone. What happened to that one? I didn't make the video. This is like terrible editing. He just does funny shit, right? It seems like he's just mean and stealing. I don't think that's funny, Dwayne.

No, they're funny. He's a mean stealer oh shit okay let's all right kill this not as funny as i thought sorry guys shit it seems like a bad sketch some of them anyway maybe they're funny on the spaceship lee is not that guy no he's not although if he was it would probably sell more tickets. That's probably. Yeah. See, that's where it tied in from the Colby approach. He's super calm and respectful afterwards. It's hard to believe he was just in a cage fight.

Yeah. Dude, he shut all that Darren Till hype up quick. I knew he was going to win. I would like to talk to Tyrone or Duke and see if... Sorry to interrupt. No, go ahead. Because how he caught him. Darren Till, I made a video about this, how Darren Till typically likes to faint and pump and get the guy backing up,

get them out of position and then land the cross, you know, from open stance from southpaw. And there is a slight delay between those two to three punches that he throws. And I'm wondering if Tyrone did his research and seen that. Tyrone.

Did he say Tyrone? Not Tyrone? It's not Tyrone. Mr. Woodley. Right? It's Tyrone Woodley. Tyrone? Tyrone?

I said Tyrone. So now the joke wouldn't have been as funny Tyron so that's why you're saying Tyron I'm wondering if you read that

from watching the videos previously and seen that little gap in his combination was able to beat him to the punch or if he just duck and chucked

I'm curious to see if that was something they trained and saw it out or because that takes balls right he's coming in with his strongest punch his cross that he's knocked many people out with and he just see if that was something they trained and sought out. Because that takes balls, right?

He's coming in with his strongest punch, his cross, that he's knocked many people out with, and he just stepped into it and beat him to the punch. That takes balls. Tyron, he always has that strategy of standing against the fence or close to the fence, and then when guys move in, he counters. Yes. I mean, he did that with Josh Koschak. He's done that with a lot of guys.

And Rory McDonald was the only guy to shut that down. He figured out a way to shut it down. He stayed long. Stayed long, used a lot of front kicks, a lot of jabs, kept his left hand up high to block the right hand, the big right hand. But, man, Tyron's just faster than him, way faster than him. Yeah, close distance so quick. Like lightning, landed that right hand, beat the shit out of him on the ground.

It was just shocking to me that Darren didn't know what to do when he was on his back. That's how I thought the fight was going to go. Him just be on top of him the whole fight. I thought Tyron was just going to out-wrestle him and be on top. Well, I thought maybe that was part of the strategy too, especially when you saw them warming up because Tyron was doing a lot of exchanges and then shoots for a double or closes the distance level changes like they did that when uh he was working with um boxing coaches as well he would hit hit the mitts and then move in

level change blended together but i was just um like till didn't understand that darce was coming or didn't know but then you got to wonder how battered was he took that big shot took a lot of hard elbows on the ground how much was he really there yeah that's a beauty i'm sorry no i was gonna say because that darce was a mile away i mean it was there and then it was there and then he cinched it up deep it was never like there was never any separation never pulling the hands back i think tyron's a lot stronger than him to be able to hold him in that crunch position you know he's a freak yeah he's a beast reason why he's the champion but i think that's the well the way i choose to look at anyway is having a checklist right if you were to build up a mixed martial artist how much information should they know standing wrestling and then on the ground and they should just check

check check and know all these basics should be covered before you go fight yeah that's the beauty beauty of having a curriculum and, again, a checklist. No, I absolutely agree with you. I think, you know, understand, I mean, the days of just like being able to just fight someone and not know anything about them, that seems kind of foolish. Yeah. Like it seems like a massive advantage to study. Like when Cowboy fought Darren Till, he decided to not watch any tape on him.

He's like, you know, here's the striker. Good. I love to strike. I'm like, okay, might want to watch this any tape on him. He's like, you know, here's the striker. Good. I love the strike. I'm like, okay, might want to watch this striker. Yeah. I'll watch tape in the beginning with Dwayne, but then I kind of let him continue from there, you know, and I trust his judgment on everything.

Right. And then when I'm out of fight camp, because sometimes when you watch tape in fight camp, like you can mess with people's heads, you know, like maybe Cowboy's getting too nervous, and then when he's – it gives him anxiety to watch the fight. Right, right. You know?

So you need to have a – if that's the case, you know, have a coach that's willing to – that you trust to do that for you. That's a good point. You know? Because, I mean, dude, it's a mental – this fucking sport's a mental mindfuck, man. Yeah. You know? Of course. Whatever works the best for you is what you got to figure out.

Is it better for you to fight someone like cody that you have all this animosity and beef towards and all the shit talking because you get super hyped up and motivated every day or is it better to fight someone who you have a lot of respect for who's just a good challenge i think you got to learn to like to be the same person for every fight you know i think it's like control those emotions, you know, even though there was all that coming in, like I'm nervous to fight, you know, like forget all the bullshit, you know, and I had to learn that through my career. I had to learn to take emotion out of it. I mean, even in sparring still, you know, like Dwayne's always told me, control my emotion, uh, control digression, you know, cause you hit me, I want to hit you back.

I'm very competitive. So it's something you have to learn how to control and i've had to do that throughout my career um and i think everyone has to learn to control either to let go or to pull back you know like really control that emotion to be the same person every fight you know mentally mentally not the same person every fight but mentally like in your own head the same person but technically need to be able to switch it up. The mental aspect of it is probably the thing that holds more people back than anything. We all know of guys that are just monsters in the gym. And for whatever it was, when they would go to compete, they just could never be their full self.

TJ does better in the cage than he does in the gym. Yeah. I did better in the gym than in the cage. What do you think it is that makes you do better i love it i don't know and i've just taught myself to love this shit like i'm i'm like i don't know when i get out there it's just like i want to be there you know like i know everyone's nervous and like they're like it's the highest highs but i used to be so nervous that i forget like what happened in the fight you know but throughout my career i think after the mike easton fights when I really started to hone in, or during the Mike Easton fights when I really started to hone in and have fun

and just realized, fuck this shit, man. What's the worst that's going to happen? You get knocked out, go for it. Where is Mike Easton? I don't know. He hasn't been around for a while. Yeah, I'm not really sure. There's a possible super fight with you and Henry Cejudo

that's being talked about. Hell yeah. Would you fight him at 125? 25s. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. I don't want no excuses that I'm the bigger man. Well, he probably is bigger than you, quite honestly.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. He struggles to get down to 25. 25. He's way over 35. Especially with the coach I have now, Sam Calvita. I was told I was going to fight Demetrius johnson the summer before i fought cody the first time because cody had to pull out because of his back within three weeks of time i got down to waking up to 140 pounds by changing my the way i'm working out changing my calories

changing my macronutrients and uh my supplement like just going full bore like i was able to start waking up in the morning 140 pounds within three weeks and so right now you're about 10 plus pounds heavier than that and Mm-hmm. And how much time would you need? Like if they said, hey, December 31st, New Year's Eve, super five.

Yeah, my coach always wants like the actual, like he told me before after my last fight, I mean he's 16 weeks, but I mean obviously we could do it a lot faster. I could have made 25s

this last fight with how much water I had in me. The hydration that he's got me going on when I get close to a fight too is easiest. I don't do baths anymore. To make weight, I walked on the treadmill with plastics. For how long?

The day of, I'd say 30 minutes. I sat in the sauna a little bit. So you're only losing like four or five pounds most, right? Yeah, in the morning, yeah, probably like three or four or five pounds, yeah. Wow. That's a massive benefit to you in terms of your conditioning oh huge you ain't having fluid on your brain your cardio yeah um your muscular contraction and endurance i mean everything i mean when you deplete yourself like that like you're talking about during till maybe

cutting too much weight that could definitely be a possibility you know for sure i mean he's huge till's a big guy to get down to 170 yeah yeah i mean that is the it's trying to find the right balance where you're big for the weight class but you're not diminishing yourself really drastically to get down to your weight class and the henry sudo thing also entertains me so much because he's a gold medalist you know he wants to he wants to claim himself as the greatest combat athlete ever i'm a ufc champion i'm a gold medalist like i'll to claim himself as the greatest combat athlete ever. I'm a UFC champion. I'm a gold medalist. I'll go out there and beat you in wrestling. MMA wrestling is completely different.

I'm the better athlete. I could beat him anywhere. I know I can watching him fight. That's what I'm very excited about. I think it's the greatest thing for my name right now. It excites me a lot, too, to be able to show the science behind not only myself but my coach and Dwayne and the system. I'm all in, dude. Whatever we're doing, I'm 100% in.

I don't take any shortcuts. And I want to show that. I want to show that I can make 25s and be my best ever as well. Now, Demetrius is injured, right? He's out for a little while. So this is one of the reasons why the talk of the super fight is coming up. Demetrius is going to need a few months. So this is one of the reasons why the talk of the super fight is coming up. Yeah. Like it is. Demetri's going to need a few months.

He can't have an immediate rematch. So. Perfect. Have they talked to you about it? Proposed? You know, there's been some, there's nothing been like serious, but there's been like a hints and like we did our media tour together and they put us on camera together and had us talk shit to each other. Oh, nice.

I mean, they didn't like, they didn't say that, you know what I mean? Cause everything's real. Everything we do is real, but real but it's like oh shit this is what you guys want right you know and like you really think you can beat me then fuck you man let's do this shit you know like that's where i get my motivation from from fighting is is not the anger not it's it's the the competition and does he want to go to 35 is that he told me face to face he's willing to do it at 25 25 yeah yeah that's what he first said after the fight he wanted the super fight

right that's what his idea is so he said come up to 35s I told him look if we're doing this I'm coming to 25s he said I have no problem with that he's got more street credit

to drop a division street credit to change a division it's DJ right hell yeah yeah it gives you more street credit for sure and no excuses

of the bigger man I don't want him to come to 35s and he whips his ass and be like oh well because he's a 35-pounder. He's a 35-pounder, too. I'll whip your ass. He's a huge 125-er.

He really is. I mean, you take out the weight cutting, there's not much difference between you two guys. Other than how much better I am. Oh, shit. Oh, shit. But that's true. Ooh, Henry, hang on.

But when you saw him and Demetrius together, I mean, he's a much bigger person. Yeah, he's thick. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. How much weight does he lose? Who's that? Cejudo?

Yeah, Cejudo. I don't know. No, good question. He's got to be in the 50s. When he shows up to fight week, he looks like he's cutting weight already, you know? Mm-hmm. When I show up to fight week, I haven't even really started yet. Wow.

Yeah. Yeah, I mean, for your pace and your endurance, that's got to be a big benefit to know that your body is 100% healthy going in there in terms of, like, not being dehydrated. And there's so many guys you see them on the day of the weigh-in. You go, I don't know how the fuck you're going to fight in 24 hours. I think head trauma is a lot more prevalent when you're dehydrated. Like, going through camp, like, I've known some guys that have cut a lot of weight,

and it's already hindered their careers because you're having those all-out spars. I mean, you have to go as hard as you can in sparring when you're ready for a fight. You're going for your timing. You're fighting, right? I mean, you don't do it all the time. There's times to do it. So when you're sparring, you're sparring like a fight? For the most part. Larger gloves? Yeah. No. We've been doing smaller gloves when I was sparring, you're sparring like a fight? For the most part. Larger gloves?

Yeah. No. We've been doing smaller gloves when I was sparring, too. But those puffies that I have, they are, I feel like, as padded as my 16s. It depends where they put the padding. The padding on the knuckles is thicker, if not thicker, than 16-ounce gloves. What company's gloves do you use for that? Sannibal.

Sannibal? Sannibal, yeah. Sainabal? Sainabal, yeah. Where's that from? Well, their office is in New York, but the guy, the owner is living out here in California. Is that a new company? It's been around. It's somewhat new.

It's not brand new. I think they've been around since 14. Since 14. But, yeah. They make great stuff. I mean, their puffy sparring glovesarring gloves. They're awesome to be able to get real rounds in. Because when I grapple, I can't do full MMA rounds with big puffy gloves on. With boxing gloves. Yeah, with boxing gloves.

But with those, they're puffy around the knuckles, but you can still grip with them. Yeah. You can still grip with them. You got everything. I mean, the only thing that's different is like the padding on your, like for like hammer, you don't throw them, but like hammer fist or your thumb. You got to be careful with your thumb. So you really have to be accurate with your punches.

Right. And does it fuck with you if you're working submissions with the extra padding on the knuckles? Yeah, absolutely. I mean, rear naked chokes are harder to get the hand behind the head. And guys can get out of submissions easier because they can grab more of the glove even though they're not supposed to. Can I say something real quick? Because TJ was saying, you know, a spar is hard sometimes, right? So I try to have my guys, if you know what I'm saying,

so sparring hard because you do have to spar hard, but we would have them do that once a week. But we do a whole bunch of sparring drills throughout the week as well to get better technically, understand the distance and the timing. But you do need to spar hard, but it's not like you're hurting the guy. If he's rocked or whatever, you're not going to knock him out, but you're throwing with good force too because you do have to experience that for sure if he's rocked you just hit him to the body yeah you know correct no for sure yeah if you rock him then you know hurt him

to the body and that's one thing i'll say you get hit hurt to the body and you know work out of that as well don't don't take a knee yeah i wanted to make sure that was clear because that's one of the things i feel i've been able to do is dissect the chaos of a fight and slowly manipulate it so we can actually understand the layers and get better at it. And that helped a lot with the actual drilling and sparring, drilling and sparring, and then the fight itself. So understand that latter process. Have you ever found any core drills or ab drills

that allow you to absorb punches or kicks better? Is there anything that you've shown that you've ever figured out? I don't know if it helps, but we do it. I mean, our coach throws medicine balls against us. We're doing motion movements or bouncing on a tire or doing almost like a burpee motion or something, getting back to your feet and slamming like a big medicine ball into your stomach. I mean, I just think the impact without hurting yourself is going to help ultimately.

And then just having a stronger core in general. I think core is by far the most important in mma and jujitsu and grappling is your core strength is how strong your core is is like because i can go and lift weights and this guy's gonna be way stronger than me doing bench or doing deadlifts whatever it may be but we get on the mat and he's like dude how the fuck are you so strong i think it's all core it certainly has a lot to do with uh kicking power yeah so it's so much of it it's not just the legs it's the ability to whip the hips into it all this that's all your core and your cardio it controls your breathing um i think it's i think i really i believe core

is everything what kind of exercises are you doing for that this is endless i mean a lot of medicine ball stuff are you doing different things with uh. Calavita than you were doing before? Yes. Yeah, completely. Actually, this shit's crazy. It's straight up crazy, man. The first time I showed up, I knew it was going to be hard. Everyone was telling me, like, oh, you go hard.

I've never gone as hard as this guy pushes me ever in my life from all the years of me practicing or competing but it you can only do it so many times you can't do it all the time and he knows when when the next practice should be easier or when we're going to have those days where i'm for sure going to throw up right you know or like what days i'm pushing the sled up the hill uh we do a lot of um cycling now i'm on the bike constantly but it's not only for low base. It's certain power intervals. Are you doing distance, like actual bike on the road? Yeah, I do that too.

So if I fight 25s, I'll be doing a lot of road work, running, swimming. To make 25s, I'll be a triathlete as well. I'll be doing some Cameron Haynes shit. I won't be running that far, but I'll be trying to act like cameron haynes um to get smaller but uh yeah so like i think the bike work does a lot for our core as well too because your core is not only your stomach you know the course from your hamstrings up to your back throughout your throughout your stomach it's it controls a lot you know so even even doing the bike work is a lot of core work as well too yeah people don't realize that sometimes when you have lower back pain it's because your hamstrings

are too tight you tell them that and, and they're like, what? And then they learn how to stretch out their hamstrings. They're like, yeah, my back feels better. That's what yoga's all about, man. Hell yeah. We do yoga. I mean, everything. I mean, there's so much beyond what we have to do.

And how long has this guy been doing this? So Mark Munoz was his first project in MMA. He wrestled. So he was a wrestler wrestled the always been around wrestling always helped mark with his wrestling camps his kids wrestle he's got that wrestling mentality but then he's just a genius as well and so his first project was Mark Munoz when he was making weight and looking shredded the Tim Boach fight things like that that was when he first

started helping out so that's why it's called the training lab as well as spelled with rain in the middle. It's because he was attached to Mark Munoz's gym and helping him out. And Mark Munoz's gym, for people who don't know, is called RAIN. Yes, RAIN, yeah. And so it's funny, it's come full circle. I mean, Mark Munoz is the one that talked me into fighting. He's my coach at Cal State Fullerton Wrestling.

And he was in the UFC at the time. He was my assistant coach. After I graduated college, like all bummed out. I didn't do like what I should have. And so I didn't feel like I was done competing. I started following Mark around and doing jujitsu and all this shit. And I was actually enrolled in grad school at the same time to become a physician's assistant. He pretty much talked me into dropping out of school and give him fighting a chance because he thought I'd be good at it.

And now it's come full circle and now he's our coach again. Wow. Yeah. He's got some awesome MMA flow drills. Mark Muno Wow. Yeah. He's got some awesome MMA flow drills. Mark Munoz, yeah. He's got wrestling for MMA. Yeah. You can't just be like an awesome wrestler and come in and teach MMA wrestling.

You know, you got to know how to punch. You got to know the jiu-jitsu aspects of it. MMA wrestling is its own sport. Yeah, well, there's certainly rules that you have to follow that you don't have to follow in regular wrestling. That's the case with jiu-jitsu as well. It certainly helps to learn jiu-jitsu. One of the things, I don't know if you guys are paying attention to, but Eddie Bravo came

up with a thing called combat jiu-jitsu, which is sort of an intermediary step between regular jiu-jitsu and MMA. And it's basically jiu-jitsu with bitch slaps. Pancrase. Pow! Yeah, but some of those bitch slaps, they stop people. You get with the palms, right? Well, Boss figured out how to do get with the palms Yeah Well Bas figured out

How to do it He figured out How to pull his hands Way back And he was basically Punching you with his palm Where you could hit Anybody anywhere

You could hit them In the forehead You don't have to Worry about your knuckles I feel like that's harder Than my MMA glove Yeah I think so too

Yeah I mean you could Really put a beating On somebody with your palms Bas is an innovator For sure He's always thinking He taught me how to think, how to be open-minded and figure stuff out.

Yeah, so here it is. This is combat jiu-jitsu. That's a guy on the ground, I think. See, now, that's one of the things, too, like how Donner was saying. Otherwise, this is a fucked up one to pick up, Jamie. That's where the whole ankle attack and the leg situation

changes when it's an actual fight and you have punches, right? You want to watch attacking those legs. That's where the whole ankle attacking the leg situation changes when it's an actual fight and you have punches, right? You want to watch attacking those legs. I mean, you open up things the same way you would open up things with punches. You know, there it is. Bam. Is that one of my affiliate students from Montana with the blonde hair? Wagner Rocha stopped quite a few people.

Well, he stopped at least one person with just the slaps, but he's used those slaps. And Wagner has got a big advantage in being a high-level MMA fighter as well, heading into this. But the idea behind it was created by Eddie because he wanted to make it just a little bit more realistic on the ground, just add this other element to it. Because there's times where guys are going for leg locks.

Yes. And your face is wide open. You're committing both your arms to the person's leg. And that person's in a position where they could just smash your face. Thank you. And if you're used to that in the jiu-jitsu gym where a guy can't punch you and you just think you're safe and you always practice in that way. Thank you. Combat jiu-jitsu is a real wake-up call when you're just getting you always practice in that way thank you combat's jiu-jitsu is a real

wake-up call and just getting fucking hammered in the head it's like uh our instructor at our academy sam coots he teaches jiu-jitsu for self-defense and then he asks you if you want to compete in jiu-jitsu then he teaches you different jiu-jitsu he wants to figure out find out why did you come here what's your you want to get better you want self-defense you want to compete because there's a different way you have to approach things for sure which is why tj can be on the same mat with regular students in my gym because he's doing slightly of a different drill in combination with more contact than the average person you know so you'll get out what you put in and in your academy do you have everything there do you have submission instruction

wrestling or do you go different places for your jiu-jitsu how do you do it uh the only thing i do um not at my gym is my jiu-jitsu i go to gracie baja and irvine with uh felipe de monica great spot yeah man he's he's a straight up ninja man he he knows jiu-jitsu for mma just like you're saying mark munoz wrestling for mma and i probably have striking for mma man tj has a really good camp around him i would have liked to be in his position. Now with the understanding of martial arts, I'm not going to hijack the podcast, sorry. No, you're good.

Dude, I'm just so happy for him. Stop it. Well, it's his time, right? I'm not dealing to shut the hell up. No, it's your time too, man. Yeah, this is, I mean, like I told him the other day, we were texting about like, damn, you were meant for this shit. Send me a sick ass video.

It's like, dude, this is our journey though. You know, like this is, I'm not doing this shit alone. If I was doing it alone, it'd be a lot lot harder i'm not saying i couldn't do it but i don't i wouldn't be to this level i wouldn't be who i am i told him this is our journey you know i mean that's why this shit works because yeah i don't have a bigger ego i'm not like whatever you know like me and duane really see eye to eye i want him to be the best yeah i love this family now so it's it's so critical the relationship that you guys have because i think it's so critical, the relationship that you guys have, because I think he can add so much in terms of what he understands. And your acceptance of him and your appreciation of him allows you guys to fully integrate to this one project of TJ Dillashaw world champion, making you the best you can be.

If there was any sort of conflict or you got to be number one or you don't want to listen to him, I'm going to do what I want to do today. That shit happens all the time with coaches and fighters and fighters and then sometimes you don't hear about until after the fight and you're like what happened i gotta tell you man he wouldn't show up for training he was this and that he's got this new girlfriend she's pregnant that's why i'm all in because tj's all in yeah i don't have a vast stable of fighters i have a few guys that float through my place right right? I work with them a little bit here and there. But TJ's all in, so I'm all in. Now, one of the benefits of being in Colorado was the altitude.

You don't think so? No. It depends where you fight. What do you think? Because you can train a lot harder at sea level. Your body gets a little more dense. The oxygen and your recovery at sea level is way better. I mean, when i first started

going up to colorado and training at altitude i felt like my body wasn't recovering i was i felt older man um because the lack of air up there yeah i think the lack of of rebuilding myself you know we do altitude training we do altitude it's called alto lab something i breathe into at certain times certain time lengths, like different intervals throughout training camp. Instead of living and breathing altitude, I'd rather get the recovery and the hard training from sea level and then use the altitude to get in that hypoxic state. So the reason why less oxygen in the air, you create more red blood cells. And the more red blood cells you have, the more oxygen you transport.

And so they're thinking if you go down to sea level you're going to have more oxygen to transport but your body hasn't able to train as hard and recover as it can at sea level and then use the hypoxic state by breathing in this machine to get the red blood cell production okay so you can get the benefits of altitude without having to live there what I had heard is that the best move was to train at sea level but live at altitude. I don't think your recovery is good enough from what my coaches told me. Well, it makes sense. It's making sense. What do you think about those tents where people sleep in those tents?

I've tried one. I feel it's hard to sleep yeah so if you because you're pumping it up so it gets hot in there for one plus you start thinking like that scene in psycho with the fucking shower surrounded by shower curtains just have nightmares and shit every day but no uh it's when you're not when you're not breathing much oxygen it's it's just you don't feel recovered and you don't get a restful night's sleep. I see. I see.

I see what you're saying. Now, that totally makes sense. Yeah, you definitely feel the difference. And it totally makes sense that you would be able to train harder at sea level. You can push your body to that super far extreme that you wouldn't be able to get there at altitude. But if you live at altitude for a few years, doesn't your body totally normalize to that? Yeah, but then I'm,

but I'll be fighting at sea level. Right. You know, I don't, you don't know. Yeah, I don't know enough behind it.

That's just what I was told. I knew no matter where I'd fight, sorry Ninja, I knew no matter where I fought that I would always be ready to go

because I was born and raised in Colorado so I didn't care where I was. One of my goals was to get tired because I knew if I was tired

that that motherfucker was dead tired so let's go guys like Kyle Vita make my head hurt dude he's awesome about but thinking about all these different things that he's got you go on and thinking about all his the planning that must be involved it's a full-time job it's a straight up full-time job like even like the juicing I do every day. If he didn't do my meal prep, it would be impossible, unless obviously my wife was doing it all. It would be impossible to get all that done. They're doing so much. How many athletes is he working with?

It's a pretty small group, and it's growing now because obviously the name is growing and more athletes that we're getting along with. He's still doing it at his garage? Yeah, it's called the garage. We do it at the gym as well too, but there's a small group of guys that still go to his garage and do it there it's kind of like our our varsity team i guess you would say you know um once you once you've proved yourself enough in the gym you can get with that's what just happened guys have come to our gym they've worked out with us we've got along with them they become like you know family and then we bring him into the garage um so i'd say

he's got see cub one aaron pico syed um spike i don't know i'd say we're probably got like eight nine guys he'll come to his garage and work out that's a great group right there just have an aaron pico with you that's gotta help that's your world champion without a doubt for sure he's a savage not only like how good he is technically but mentally too like do that fools I'm competitive I go hard and he's to another extreme like really dude it's great we do this like hand peddler for distance at the garage we're on a down a decline so we're downhill and we're doing his hand peddler for distance and how far we can go, who gets to a mile first wins.

And I thought he won the world title when he beat me. Just stood up like, yeah! Like pretty much what I did to Cody. Yelling in my face after the fight, you know, or after the hand peddler that he won. Wow. He's just, he's very competitive. He's very good technically.

He's hungry. He takes no shortcuts 21 he was 21 years old and wasn't taking any shortcuts i didn't learn all this shit till i was 30 and he's already doing it now and he's a world-class wrestler um great boxer he's working with freddie roach a lot um he's good man he's really good yeah and you know i think there's a there's an actual real gift in losing his first fight. Yeah. I think there's a gift in that.

Because he had so much hype behind him, and he got cracked and submitted quick. He probably just got finished the worst he could possibly get. Worst. Yeah. And his very first fight. Other than a head kick. Head kick's the worst because you don't really recover very good for a long time. Not only did you get knocked out, but you got submitted as well.

Yeah. Oh, that's right. And you did it in front of Madison Square Garden on the main card for your first fight ever. So he experienced the lowest lows for his first fight. So now it's like there's no going lower. Everything's skyrocketing now. And everybody was so hyped up about him. There was so much hype about him, which is deserved.

But it just shows you that everybody can get caught. Anybody can get finished. That experience, I think, is so valuable for him. I really do. Which is deserved, but it just shows you that everybody can get caught. Anybody can get finished. Hell yeah. That experience I think is so valuable for him. Yeah. I really do. And that left hook that he landed in his last fight, holy shit. That's two fights, huh?

Yeah, two fights. That's two fights. Nasty. Murderous. He'll find that body shot every time I spar him. Jesus. Obviously you've got to get ready for it and you can feel it, but he finds it every time. Oof.

Yeah, you've got to be ready. And then you start worrying about the for it and you can feel it, but he finds it every time. Oof. Yeah, you got to be ready. And then, like, you start worrying about the body shot and you're opening yourself up, you know? Yeah. Yeah. He's good, man. He's really good. That's one thing I feel Mr. Coker or Bellator does pretty well is gives people the proper fights that help build them up, right? And I don't think Pico's first fight was a bad matchup.

He just got caught. He got caught. He got caught by a tough guy. Yeah. You know, I love Coker. Yeah, me too. I like what he's doing. And, you know, I'm supposed to be somehow or another

in competition with Bellator. I say that's horseshit. I mean, I'm the one who got Jimmy Smith hired. I was trying to get him hired years ago. And I love the fact that Big John's over there now and that Goldie's over there too. And Morrow, I love Morrow. And there's a lot of great fighters over there, man. I mean, I love the fact that Rory McDonald's over there too yeah and morrow i love morrow and i just there's a lot

of great fighters over there man i mean i love the fact that rory mcdonald's over there that he's a champ i mean he's one of the if he's not the best welterweight in the world it's him and tyron you know i really think that i really think i gotta practice that name sorry tyron just don't have an e on the end yes sir i'm on it but if it's not i mean he's most certainly one of the best musasi one of the best 185ers in the world, if not the best. I mean, they have like legit claim to world-class fighters now in at least two weight classes. They got the banners, the fighter walkout.

It's like an old-school UFC. I like it. I like it. I like that the fighters are having a good time over there. They're getting paid well. I don't hear any complaints. Yeah, I want it to grow, man. I really want it to be right up there with the UFC. I would

love it if it was a full rival like Pride was. Yes. Man, I miss Pride. I love Pride. I didn't figure out a way to do that crossover fight. So you can stay in Bellator, build Bellator up as far as UFC is, and then have like this, like, oh yeah, we're fucking better. Look, man, those are big fights. Like Canelo and Triple G. Yes. Look, if they had a Floyd Mayweather

versus Conor McGregor MMA style, if there was like literally a guy as big as one. There were talks about that, right? Well, there were talks about Mayweather versus Conor McGregor MMA style if there was like literally a guy as big as one. There were talks about that right? There were talks about that for Floyd and Conor but I don't think it was real. What I mean is a guy who gets as big as Mayweather has gotten in the UFC and a guy who gets as big as he got in MMA with

Bellator and then they have some giant ass fucking super fights. This is enough for everybody I just think for the athletes it's better if there's choices and it's good for you. It's not just choices. It's enough for everybody. I just think for the athletes, it's better if there's choices, you know, and it's good for you. It's not just choices. It's more competitive.

And when it's more competitive, they try harder to do a good job for the athletes, make it attractive to the athletes. Like if you're a football player, you can get, you can go to a bunch of different places to play, right? But if you're a fighter, you got like two spots. You got Bellator and you got the UFC. It's like there's two teams out there. And I think that's unfortunate. I think it'd be

way better for fighters. I don't think that boxing is a clean system and I think boxing definitely has its flaws in terms of like promotion and how fighters are treated. Is that why this fight's happening in the game with Triple G and Canelo when it should have already been over? Like Triple G won that fight. Yeah, but that could happen in the UFC.

It does. Bad judging happens all the time. There are some fucking terrible judges out there. Yeah. I mean. You've experienced that. Fuck, it's crazy, man. It's crazy that no one's doing anything to fix it. There's people that have passed bad calls that should just be removed.

Yeah. So you don't understand professional high-level fighting. There needs to be, like, a grading system. Thank you. Like, if you see these judges and they can, they've made like, look, this person's made like four bad choices,

four bad decisions. Right. You're out. I think they should go through a training course and be tested on it. Just like I test my students for their ranking in the system, right? They should be able to go through this information and get better and, and under,

and pass the test or not judge the fight or let a fight go through and let some quality judges judge it and then test those results versus their results. How do they judge it and compare those notes to see? Because we're dealing with people's careers and their livelihood and a lot's on the line with these people aren't making the correct decisions from their lack of education that they could definitely get better at.

Oh no, please go. When they start pointing some old fighters, maybe ex-fighters, retired fighters, as far as being judges, but then maybe there's some hold back on that from, what would you think? Biased. Biased. That's totally possible. But I think you're better off with those fighters and their bias than someone who really doesn't understand the sport.

Because they'll be afraid of being called out, too. If you continue to see their decisions they're making, they're going to be afraid to get called out for it. And just don't have them judge someone who they have a close relationship with. If Frankie Edgar is fighting, you don't have Ricardo Almeida as a judge. Oh, yeah. Because he's a part of the commission. That's right. Even though I think Ricardo is awesome.

Yeah, he is. The Henzo team. But you need people that understand martial arts. And there's a lot of the people that are judges that just have no background, which to me is crazy. Agreed. It just doesn't make any sense. It's not like there's a shortage of martial arts practitioners out there. There's millions of us.

Yes, sir. Yep. We're out there. You could find us and you could get us to be judges. I'll judge some fights. Yeah. There you go, man. I mean, and I think also, and we've said this before, I'll say it again, it should be more

than three judges. There's no reason to limit it to three. All you need is two dummies, and they ruin a fighter's career. You could get bad luck and have two dummies out of three. That's not hard to do. Two people really don't understand a fight. You need at least five, and I think we'd be fine with ten. I don't think there'd be anything wrong with having ten judges.

That way, if you really got a 5-5, that's a real draw. And I think real draws are real, too. There's fights where you go, Jesus, I don't know who won that fight. I'd have to go over that fight with a fine-tooth comb. And the difference, the distance between winning and losing is so close, I think

you're better off arguing for a draw in some fights. I don't think there's any shame in that. Yeah. I agree. If it actually was that close, why not be it? Yeah, a draw in some fights. I don't think there's any shame in that. Yeah. I agree. I mean, if it actually was that close, like, why not be, you know? Yeah, because there's some fights where the guy gets a decision or the girl gets a decision,

and you're like, how? They both won. I mean, it's a fucking incredible fight. One person goes home a loser, the other person goes home a winner, and it's almost like flipping a coin. Overtime. When I used to lose fights.

It's a draw, overtime. Glory does that still. I would just say I came in second place. I never actually won. I try to ease it a little bit. Glory does still the one more round. That's right, yeah. I'd still do that.

I'd be like, that'd be cool as shit. That would be fucking wild. Like you're getting up there ready to get it. And now it's like, I fucking won this one. You know, like, oh, fuck, we got another round. All right, let's do this. Sweet. We have a split decision. You're standing there like, I fucking won this one, you know, like, oh, fuck, we got another round. All right, let's do this. Sweet. We have a split decision.

You're standing like, oh, Jesus. We have a majority draw. And you're like, oh, no. One more go.

The audience would go nuts. Hell yeah. If you had that, only for championships. Yeah. Only for championships. One more round. Yeah.

That'd be cool, man. People would start pounding on the ground. Yeah, nice, yeah. It should be like a 10 minute round. It should be like a 10-minute round.

It should be a 10-minute round, too. Pride style. Yeah. Pride style 10-minute round was awesome for grapplers. And the gloves, too. Yeah. Pride gloves are excellent, right? Yeah.

Yeah, you think that's a big factor, right? The curve of the gloves? Yeah, and my boxing coach, Trevor Whitman, is working on some kind of gloves that are eliminating the eye poke situation. I'm not quite sure exactly what he's thinking, but if there's anybody to do that job, it's him. I love that dude.

He is why I'm as technical as I am is from Trevor Whitman. He's very detailed. One of the things that a lot of people were like almost like

wondering or down on him or trying to look for something to criticize was when Justin Gaethje knocked out James Vick. Cracks him. Drops him. Smashes him. Stops him. Everyone is going crazy and look at Trevor. Trevor just sitting there like this. I was in Justin Gaethje knocked out James Vick cracks him drops him smashes

him stops him everyone is going crazy and look at Trevor Trevor just sitting there like this no he knows yeah he what he what he didn't jump up and scream yeah he's had his arms crossed and he's what you see if you can find that it's kind of not I did not only did expect it he was like quietly satisfied I was like look at that it's like a tyrant after his title. He's like, hmm? Sort of. Just what I do.

Woodley cried when he got his black belt. That was cool. That was crazy. Then Thomas too. A fellow fighter like that, that's awesome. That was cool. That's direct lineage. That's cool.

That felt more to him than winning. That's so crazy that that would feel more to him than defending his title. He's been world champ. He knows he's world champ. He's confident, you know. Without a doubt, one of the best welterweights of all time. For sure. Without a doubt.

I feel like there's three guys in the running. It's Matt Hughes, George St. Pierre, and him. He's just so athletic, man. So good. It's crazy how athletic he is. And with Dean in his corner and with Duke Rufus, he's just coming into his own, man. And people criticized him for the Damianian Maya fight and the Wonderboy Thompson fight But because those fights were boring that's the way you have to fight those guys

Period if you want to fight Wonderboy, you think you're gonna go crazy and charge at him. Good luck. Yeah, good idea Yeah, yeah, you're gonna eat some knuckles. So going back to the training method, you know, and that's one thing I wonder how much time Duke is spending with him and and Dean is spending with them Good idea. Yeah, you're going to eat some knuckles. So going back to the training method, and that's one thing. I wonder how much time Duke is spending with him and Dean is spending with him. Din. Din Thomas. Din is spending with him. And then taking that skill and testing it against all the other ATT guys. So I'm just wondering how much class work he's doing versus one-on-one work and then how much live work he's getting with the crew.

That's a good question. I don't think they're doing too much work at ATT because ATT is where Col right now oh so where's he you know he's training that i haven't seen a lot of it at duke rufus okay he spent a lot of time with duke but i don't know exactly where he trained his whole camp you know i have questions pettis said he was at uh at duke's he was at duke's yeah good well he looks fucking phenomenal duke's figured out a way to get him to really conserve his energy and manage it properly too because we all know that when someone's that big and that much muscle it's so

hard to maintain endurance but he hurt Wonderboy in the fourth round of their fight you know and hurt him bad like he carries that knockout power deep deep into the fight so he's figured it out he's figured out a way to manage his energy correctly and if you see the countdown shows too he's doing a bunch of crazy strength and conditioning shit, too,

which I kind of think everybody has to do now, right? Dude, it's a real – we're going to ESPN. It's a real fucking sport. You know, like you can't take shortcuts, man. This is a profession. Like I told you, my training schedule is a full-time job. It's hard for me to get anything else done when I'm in training camp. Now, when you're not in training camp like now, you're out of camp,

how many days a week are you working out? Lately, I've only been doing my strength and conditioning with Sam. So when I'm back in town a couple times a week, I'm going to go back out to Colorado and I'll be spending every day at Dwayne's doing kickboxing. I'll probably start going to Gracie Ballhouse. This is all fun. I'll go to do normal class.

Right now at Sam's, it's not like I'm peaking for a fight, so it's just maintaining my body and keeping certain things strong to prevent injury. And then I'll go to Gracie Baja and I'll probably roll some gi just to do it. Just to kind of stay active. When you roll gi, do you grab the gi

or do you just try to do no-gi techniques? I need to get better at learning how to grab the gi. I just still do no gi techniques because that's what I always do. I never did – I would never really use a gi. I hardly ever use a gi. It's not my favorite. But I wear it. Yeah.

But I don't use it. I just do no gi with the gi on. They can grab me. Yeah. But I just do no gi stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's why you got to go in there for fun. You can't go in there like expecting to be great because there's so so much shit if you don't know it they're grabbing your belt pulling

you in certain directions crazy shit that they do they pull your your thing out your lapels out yeah try to choke you with it yeah they'll pull the back of your gi out and wrap it around your neck like all right settle down but i mean for the gi competition as long as that's all legal that's great but i mean for someone learning um arts, whether it's for self-defense or – for me, what I found about doing gi is it really improved my no-gi submission defense because it was so easy to control me with the gi. Because if someone's grabbing your collar and grabbing your sleeve and they hold you down, you have to get out of things technically.

Like if you get locked up in an armbar, you can't just explode out of things. You have to figure out a way to slowly, incrementally release yourself the right way and defend everything the right way. Because if you get too deep with all that friction, with that heavy canvas key, they can lock you up. You have to be technical in your defense. I still don't really care too much for the key. It makes you more meticulous about your submissions yeah it does make you like hold yeah absolutely especially defense yeah i mean if you're gonna compete in jujitsu then wear a gi but if it's for self-defense then i would actually train no gi i say that but if you're in new york and you're wearing a leather

coat yeah winter dude imagine what ronda rousey could do to someone who had a winter coat on yeah talk shit to her with a jean jacket on bitch you're flying on your head hell yeah hell yeah you are let's do that rolling with the typical clothes though right because yeah that's gonna be different than an actual key but even close enough but it's enough to grab yes i mean you know like if you're grab you could choke somebody out with a regular collared shirt oh yeah you know you grab a hold of like a regular dress shirt and you get a hand in the lapel. That's a dead man. He doesn't even know it. Just get a hold of that collar and pull that fucker in.

That'd be great. I mean, kind of like you were saying, changing who I am because of where I'm at in my life and my family now. I wish I could train more outside of fight camp. I wish I had more time to get in the gym and train. But I'm going everywhere, getting pulled in every direction, creating businesses to try to set up my future. I know you've got your seasoning business. I've used your seasoning.

Yeah, Flavor Republic. Did you come up with this on your own? So, yes, I started it because of my new diet with Sam Calavita. I had to eat super clean. I wanted low sugar, and I wanted something that was low sodium or no sodium so that when I'm cutting weight, I can still use it. But we make our own sea salt, organic sea salt as well, so that we can add it to when we want to. Because you need sodium. You need good sodium.

Yeah. But when I'm wanting to flush the water, I don't use it. Yeah, you sent me over a bunch of stuff. It's great, man. Oh, thank you. I use a lot of it. Yeah. Seasoned meat with it all the time.

Yeah, yeah. I just used it last night. I mean, I'm actually into the company and like it you know that's cool especially for wild game and things like that it's cool man it's really really fun do you uh do you have a pellet grill do you cook with i do i have a traeger those things that shit yeah they sent me one of those those bad those badass ones yeah they sent me one too timberline yes dude you got the the meat thermometer everything with it i love It's sweet. I love that thing. I cook on that thing almost every night. The taste is the best too.

Well, it's all wood. It's natural wood. For people who don't know what a pellet grill is, and there's a bunch of companies that make real good ones. We have out back, we have a Yoder that's really good. I had a Green Mountain Grill. That's a really good company. The Green Mountain Grills are very affordable too. And they come also with a built-in thermometer

just like the Traeger has. What you do is you pour wood pellets and these pellets are made, like if someone makes a table like this, the natural, the sawdust from an actual table is they just compress it and the natural sugars in the sawdust force it to form into these little pellets, these like little tubular pellets

and you can snap them with your fingers. But they go through this worm drive onto a heating element, and it's just fire and wood. That's all it is. You're cooking your food with fire and wood. I mean, it's all complicated and electronic and shit, and it's all sophisticated and engineered, but at the end of the day, the result is fire and wood, and the food tastes like fire and wood. Yeah. it's fucking

great that's why like they have different pellets for different tastes and you can taste the difference absolutely i love pellet girls man i'm just such a big fan it's such an easy way to cook too and that that timberline just maintains its temperature perfectly you could start it with your phone yes you can connect it to your phone so if you want to heat it up before you get home you can start heating it up. Traeger has an app. They have an app. Like, I was going to cook lobster tails. I'm like, hmm, how do I cook lobster tails on Traeger?

Go to the fucking app. It tells you what to have, what ingredients, how to do it, all of it on your phone. It's fucking incredible. I'll have to get you one for the house. I'll take it. I have room. Thank you, sir. So you didn't get an elk tag this year.

Oh, man. Well, I'm going with Chad Mendez for rifle. Where are you guys going? Colorado. Oh, all right. I don't know exactly the area we're going. It's something set up through Fins and Feathers, his company. He has a guide service called Fins and Feathers.

Dude, he's living the life, man. He is. He loves it. He even told after his last fight, he's like, I'm not fighting until next year. It's hunting season, my business. Hell yeah. He loves it, man. He's awesome. He's a good dude. It was nice to see him business. He loves it, man. He's awesome.

He's a good dude. It was nice to see him come back and come back with a beautiful knockout. Yeah, I mean, that's still one of my very close friends. We're doing a hunt here in end of October for rifle, but my love's archery. I didn't get an archery tag this year for elk. Can you hunt

with your bow during rifle season? I think you hunt with your bow in um during rifle season i think you can yeah yeah the thing about rifle season is though you're dealing with they're not right like right now we had a video of being up in colorado like just 20 yards from two big elk fighting they didn't even know like i was standing up or leaster was standing up didn't even know they were there you know just 20 yards away i mean 20 yards away. That's why you get to do archery during root season. Yeah, dude, I'm a just...

I live for it. I love it so much. To me, it's like, it makes me so happy that I have my meat for a year. You shoot an elk, basically I have meat for a year. And for all my friends. Now I've gotten all my friends, like Brian Callen and all these guys, addicted to elk. Tom Papa. I give them pounds of it, man. it man just constantly giving them elk sausage and elk steaks and it's

like once you taste that natural wild meat you go oh man and just learning how much healthier it is for you too you know do you feel different when you eat it that's all i've ever eaten i grew up that way so i grew up hunting because my dad my dad's been an archery hunter. Your dad's a wild man. I met your dad. Yeah. You tell right away. Oh yeah. I'm like, okay. That's where it all comes from. Nice to meet you, Mr. Dillashaw. Yeah. He's, I mean, I remember that guy just, I mean, he's always been the baddest dude I've ever known. He's always just, uh, he's game. He's taking me on crazy hunts where we'll hike our ass off, we'll hike 20 miles and, and work, work really hard, hunt public land. like it's never been the easy thing it's always been as hard as we can make it nice it's made me really like fall in love with hunting

even more those backcountry hunts man people are starting to catch on to what an adventure that is and you know these guys like my friend aaron schneider who runs kafaro's one of the best backpack companies in the world they make hunting backpacks and wilderness backpacks and it's like you used to be able to go eight miles down the trailhead and there'd be nobody. He goes, now you go there, there's three tents. Yeah. You know, cause other guys are learning how to do this too.

And they're realizing this, especially high country mule deer, which is insanely difficult animal to hunt. Cause they're so switched on. Cause every day they're running from mountain lions. Every day is like that mountain lion. Is that a mountain lion? What was that brain? They're so fucking smart. They're sketched out. They're so switched on because every day they're running from mountain lions oh every day is like that mountain lion is that a mountain lion what was that brain they're so fucking smart sketched out they're so sketched out when you get to a five-year-old deer you know which is what everybody wants to shoot what they want to shoot is a four five and older deer you're

getting this giant deer they're probably 300 pounds they have enormous antlers i mean mule deer have these crazy racks all knotted up yeah all knotted up crazy and they they've been hunted since day one yeah oh every day of their life they've been five years it's like a fighter who's been fighting at a championship level for five years like you ain't getting away with no sloppy bullshit with him exactly that's a good way to put it yeah perfect yeah you can't snap on branches and they don't notice you're there they fucking turn nocturnal as well I went out 5 days before opening day and saw

2 3 pointers and a big 4 pointer right in the area I'm going to go hunt and then 10 days later I go out because I missed opening day too late I know 10 days ago after they're gone yeah they go nocturnal they hide and they just realize that people are after them they've been doing it so long that hunting season is literally factored into their internal clock.

Like their DNA. They just realize it. They go, oh, well, there's the people. I know what this is. They go, I know what this is. It's time to get the fuck out of here. I'll eat at 2.30 instead of the regular. Yeah, they'll just, especially during full moons and things like that.

It's really interesting, man. Once you experience these, I mean, even if you're not into hunting, I always advise people just please just go hiking deep into the backcountry. Just take a six, seven-mile hike deep into the backcountry, and it'll put it in perspective for you. Like those two and a half days I spent in Colorado, I hiked probably 20 miles by myself with no one, and I didn't get anything. I didn't even see an animal. I found one dropped a horn of an elk i didn't see shit you know and i still

loved it i still came i was like i'm glad i did it you know hiked my ass off was out there my cell phone didn't work it's just when you go out there do you bring a spotting scope yeah so you bring a spotting scope spotting scope binos the whole range finder yeah no you looking at google earth in advance or i'm looking at Google Earth in advance? I'm looking at, what's that app I use? Onyx Hunt? Yes. It's Onyx Hunt.

Yeah. So it kind of like downloads the area where you're at. So then when you're- Shows you where it's public, where it's private. And you can even download the app to when you don't have service, you can still use it. Yes. And it knows where you're at. Right. And you know if you're on private property, if you're on public land, it maps everything

out for you that way. Yeah. That thing, that's an amazing app. But just being able to see the territory and know where the basins are and the ridges are. Waterholes. Yeah. And get a sense like, okay, what time of year is it? I mean, it's not just going out to get food.

There's really like a science to mule deer hunting. And what the weather's been like. If it's been hot, they're going to be high country. They're going to be really high if it's been hot. Yeah. You know, you want it to be like overcast and cool so they'll come out more during the day because they'll bed down when it's hot they bed down all day long and that's why they come nocturnal as well as it it's cool enough for them to expend energy to go get food yeah to where if you go

in the middle of the day at 12 o'clock you you have to spot them with your binos laying down and hopefully sneak up on them and not let them see you or wait for them to get up and start feeding and then sneak up on them now when you go out there are you do you have the creeks mapped out or are you hauling in water what do you how you getting water um i i'll always take uh those pills with me to be able to um purify water purify the water iodine tablets yes iodine tablets they say you're not supposed to drink too much of that though i'm sure you're not but i don't hunt 24 7 you know i mean worst case scenario at least i'm not going to go out there and get gerardia and get lost like i'm at least gonna be able to purify some water and i have a lighter well i don't have a i don't have i have a canteen so i would melt but anyways

uh to heat it up yeah to be able to heat it up but yeah i know where the water holes are i always know that and i bring enough water for me to to drink and i pack it into camp too um luckily this spot in colorado wasn't very far from where i had to park my truck so i was able to drive in a bunch of water oh that's cool yeah yeah it's uh well my dad though we hiked back in the rubies like 20 miles and then hunt back there hopefully not finding anybody like you said you still find people yeah um but yeah we have to bring the iodine pills or we have a pump. Pumps are great. Obviously, we packed in pots and we boil it. Usually, we boil it back at camp.

But if you're out and about and you only have a canteen on it, you'll fill it up, throw an iodine pill in it and shake it around. And 10 minutes later, you got clean water. Yeah, you don't want any of that beaver fever. No, hell no. Especially being 20 miles out. I think how bad that would suck yeah yeah it's um it's beautiful country though man i mean to be able to go out there into that back country colorado colorado where there's no people yeah you just realize it doesn't even look

real it looks like you know you find like a mountain lake up there like this isn't even real this can't be real it's like a movie beautiful yeah yeah pictures you take don't look like you like you just come off the internet. Yeah. That's out near you, man. I don't ever hunt, though. Do you eat it? I'm sure I have. I had some mistakes at his

house for the last camp, actually. We got this from the Kingston Coffee guy, right, Mark? Also, yeah. We had both. What kind of diet do you follow? Actually, when I'm out in California with him, Sam's family makes me the same meals. Well, not the same. I don't know if they're exactly the same. Pretty much the same.

But I eat the same meals as him. And I usually eat pretty clean, too. When I did my hair analysis with Sam, all my levels and stuff came back pretty good. I was pretty baseline or healthy for the most part. Are you training or just training people? Do you train yourself? Yeah, I still train. I stay sharp.

I got to lead by example, and I love it. So that's what I've done since I was eight. I started with the Kyokushin karate and just been on it since then. Man, when he comes out to the training lab and throws the gear on and holds mitts, for me, Cub, Juan, he just did three hours of holding mitts. He's getting a workout doing that shit. Just the impact and moving. Oh, yeah, of course.

I don't just stand there either. I've got to give him the feel and the reactions and throwback. I get to play UFC a little bit without getting beat up. It's fun to still, again, live vicariously through these guys. But I still definitely do train and, again, lead by example and stay sharp. Have you ever thought about one day, I mean, you're in a weird situation where you could potentially go to 45 and you could potentially go to 25. I mean, you're in a weird situation where you could potentially go to 45 and you could potentially go to 25.

I mean, you could be champ, champ, champ. My coach, when I first started working out with Sam and I was fighting Cody the first time, he was like, I'm going to make you a three-division champ. He's like, that's our goal. Why don't you be the first one ever to do it? He's always, like, reaching for everything. And the way I know I can do it, too, is because I can pack the weight on with him, too.

I've gotten up to 158 pretty solid before I went down to 35. It's the first time. Max Holloway, who's the UFC 145-pound champion, is a fucking big guy. I don't think he should. Eventually, he's probably going to have to be a 55-er. Yeah, I don't know how he does it. When they had to medically stop him from cutting weight to make 55, when he's a 45 pound champion oh wow he started

in at around 85 pounds oh jesus how crazy is that he's ortega's big too man big dude he's a big dude as well yeah these 45 pounders are yeah look i wish there was a way to stop all this nonsense i wish everybody did it the way you're doing it where you're just a little bit overweight yeah have you ever been heavier before we you had a cut? Mm-mm. Never. Never. So it's always been your weight. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

And a good thing, too, is that I always train at the weight I'm going to be in the night of my fight. So if I weigh in at 135s, I'm going to be 150 when I walk in the cage, so I train at 150. When I'm going to fight 25s, I'll probably walk in the cage weighing like 140 or low 40s. I'm going to train at low 40s. Mm-hmm. And that's why my camps are longer i get in shape before i start my camp because i want to be i want to know exactly what that feeling is of what the night's going to be of being in the cage i want to be in shape i want my weight to be where it's supposed to be and so it's like the same exact feeling for my whole camp it's got to be satisfying for you to have all these changes, take all these chances,

go through all this emotional shit with leaving alpha male, but the results prove themselves that you were making the right choices for your career. Very satisfying. You know, I'm building my own, my own everything, you know, um, it's all kind of finding a place in this cause I've surrounded myself with the right people. I followed Dwayne cause I believed in him. I came back to Southern California cause I believe in Sam, you know, and there's guys like've surrounded myself with the right people i followed duane because i believed in him i came back to southern california because i believe in sam you know and there's guys like steve martin like i was talking about before that made that possible you know and there's just like these for whatever reason this group of guys that i've just gotten around that's just uh very synergistic and it works you know and so that's why i've been really focused on because i've been to a lot of gyms that are money-driven or ego-driven

and to make sure that's not the case. So you might be an awesome fighter, but if you don't have the right mentality, you're not part of the training lab. You might be the best fighter in the world, but if you're a cancer, we're not going to let you work out there. And kind of really treating it like we're professional athletes. I mean, I am treating it like we're professional athletes instead of before I was just a fighter.

Well, have you seen that really across the board? There's much more of an attitude of a professional athlete versus just some badass guy who wants to fight and kick ass. And you're seeing people approach it much more scientifically now. How much has that changed since you were on The Ultimate Fighter? A lot. A lot, a lot. Like I said, when I first got an ultimate fighter i was uh alpha male and we sparred four or five days a week and was that 2012 11 11 yeah 2011 and then it can't

aired i think 2012 so you think about that that's not that long ago we're talking about six seven years yeah so in seven years the sports radically changed big time wow big time i mean i mean it's also because of how big the and how mainstream the ufc is getting you know we're gonna be on espn we're on fox we you know we went from spike like the more and more mainstream gets the more like legit it makes it and the more legit it is the more science behind it the more that like why wouldn't guys that are smarter sam calvita go for football because there's money and there's like exposure behind it compared when it was fighting it was so raw and just like whatever right now i feel like since it's so legitimized those smart trainers and now the guys that have been fighting forever

are now coaches it just makes it more legit and you have more science and the ways to train behind it yeah no it's it's exciting. But it's still growing, and I feel like we're on the cutting edge of everything. That's true. We don't miss anything. This is by far, out of any place I've ever trained, the most scientific and smart way to train. That's so exciting, man.

It really is. TJ's got a bump in the martial art evolutionary chain as far as how many people were switching stances and having that fluid flow before TJ stepped in the cage. Not that many. Not that many at all. He's definitely leading the pack. Dom switched his legs back and forth. No attacks.

Yeah. He didn't fight the same way righty as he did lefty the way you do. Kind of like you've seen it now in boxing too. Terrence Crawford. Terrence Crawford. He'll come out orthodox because he's right-handed, but he's like, I'm going to do better against this guy's softball and stay softball the rest of the fight because he sees that advantage

and being able to do that. I mean, boxers used to say, never switch your stance. Your defense won't be as good. Make it that good. Marvin Hagler used to switch all the time. He was one of the greatest of all time. And then there's orthodox, there's softball, but then there's a whole world of things that you can do offensive

and defensively during the change of the stance as well that people – Yeah, so we'll keep those secrets under the cover. Peeking over the edge here. Yeah, it's one thing to switch your stance to fight better that stance, but then what about the strikes while switching your stance, you know, or in those crazy motions where I'm coming this way but you're over there. I can fight – it's almost like fighting two people at once, you know. Yeah. You want to create those angles and take advantage of them, those crazy motions where I'm coming this way, but you're over there. I can fight. It's almost like fighting two people at once.

Yeah. They'll create those angles and take advantage of them, and they have to do the slow turn to stay in their stance kind of thing, you know? Yeah. No, there's fantastic advantage to it. It's a fucking matrix. I'm telling you. It's fun. You've got to start mapping out the kill a shot MMA series and get a bunch of MMA flow

drills going. Hell yeah. I'm really excited about the switch to ESPN, too. I'm really excited about getting the UFC on ESPN. Yeah. That's a big deal, man. ESPN is such a huge venue for sports. There's so many just hardcore sports fans.

When you think of sports, it's ESPN. Sure. And you think of sports bars that have fights on. I mean, they're going to have ESPN on. Yeah. I mean, so many people, they just turn their TV on, they put on ESPN. And that's like all day long. Real sports fans.

They're going to get a chance to see guys like you, real high-level fighters. And ESPN's also been putting on real world championship boxing events, which is very exciting. If they're going to do that, and then they're going to start putting on real high level championship UFC fights as well people are going to get a chance to compare and contrast and see like wow I think that's going to open up a whole new world I think Fox was great

and all the fuck but there's like what is it like 80 Fox sports channels and no one knows which one the fuck it's on yeah there are a lot of Fox channels right yeah it's crazy yeah I remember years ago

one of my Japan K-1 trips we went to a restaurant and they were showing some fights on TV and we lost our shit It's crazy. Yeah. I remember years ago, one of my Japan K-1 trips, we went to a restaurant and they were showing some fights on TV and we lost our shit. We're like, holy shit, they're showing fights on TV. Japan's so cool. Now it's out here all the time. So, you know, thank you, Dana White, Fertitta Brothers, you know, the UFC for making it mainstream.

You know, they and you as well, Mr. Rogan, for bringing martial arts to being so popular it is now. It's like you guys have helped the evolution of martial arts come to life, and it's fun. It is fun, and people are getting a chance to see where it's at right now, which I don't think, you know, if someone hadn't seen a fight like your fight with Cody or your first fight with Hennon Burrall is a great example. Your second fight was really like a blowout.

I felt like in the second fight he knew you were going to fuck him up before the fight even started to evolve yeah he didn't evolve um but if you see these high level you know world-class fights i think if people just got to look and what's what's going on right now at the top levels they'd get hooked you know real quick well i mean you do a great job of teaching people. The commentators as well as people involved in journalists of MMA need to teach the average fan what to look for. Yes. And I feel like you've done a great job. You've helped our sport grow because of that,

of not only hyping the fights up but making people knowledgeable of MMA. We need to teach the judges. Yeah. They need to come to our seminar. I haven't done the best job. They're out there still. I just don't understand what commissions are waiting for.

I really don't. I don't get what's the holdup. Just these people are incompetent. Fire them. Get new people in. It's not hard to do. I don't believe it's hard to do. I think a motivated person

could fix the entire system inside of a year. I don't feel like they're worried about their job. If they make a bad decision, like if I ruin your career, if I steal millions of dollars out of your pocket. Yeah. I wonder if they understand that aspect, you know, that they're doing people's career.

I don't think they care. They're just doing their job and they think they're insulated from it. I don't have a job. They have to be accountable because they have a name. You know, their name gets, you know, Adelaide Bird scored the fight and you hear that so they're accountable somewhat and then people hear certain names and they're like oh not this fucking guy because you know that that guy's given some shitty ass decisions in the past but oh yeah it's not enough and if you just left it off to if you ran it through a computer and looked at all the bad decisions and all the judges that call these bad decisions.

Rate them like an Uber driver? Yeah, just get rid of them. Just anyone who just gets a D or below, just get rid of them. You really know. Anyone who gets below an A. People are going to make some questionable, subjective decisions. Some people like a submission game. Some people like a striking game.

Some people think a guy takes you down. No matter he's on top you win yes you know well i feel like well they've said it's gonna not matter as much now but if you do if you take down you have no damage like you take down and even count yeah which i believe in because i mean it's really who's winning the fight not like the position we're in right then even me being a wrestler like yeah i can take people down just win from being on top but that's not how an MMA should be scored no I agree and I think that if a guy does some damage standing up and then you take him down and hold him down for a full minute but nothing happens he did more damage

standing up and there's a lot of judges that think that if you take someone down and you're on top you win and they can't think that way it's not wise especially when guys are battling off submissions off their back or getting busted up with elbows from their back. I mean, there's just – did you see Nico Price's fight where he won from his back? Oh, yeah.

He trapped him with the foot and hammerfished him. That was sweet. He hammerfisted him from the bottom. Okay. Knocked him out. It was one of the craziest. That was cool. Who did he fight?

I don't remember who that was. I get excited so fast. Yeah. He fought off his back, won by hammer fist. Okay. It's like we're realizing you're not really safe. There's things that people can figure out what to do in weird different places. Find a way to be successful.

Yeah. As much enthusiasm as you have about the sport and of you and myself and a lot of other fans, I want the judges to have that kind of enthusiasm as well. well yeah i want them to go into these fights knowing what they're looking at here it is right here oh like right before that does it show it look look at this oh wow from his back hammer fist some unconscious oh wow fucking crazy yeah i've never seen that before in my life me neither and. And that's something that, I don't know if you would see that in a curriculum or not, but definitely is an opportunity.

In that position, it's a good place to be. When guys start seeing it happen, they're going to go for it more. You're going to see fighters go for that. Well, the Travis Brown, that elbow from defending the takedown. Josh Barnett, right? Travis started KOing people.

He KOed Josh Barnett. He KOed Josh Burnett. He KOed Gabriel Gonzaga. Same way. Yep. He flatlines people from that position. Those long ass crazy elbows. Do you take different alpha brain than I do? What do you mean?

You're sharp. I think you might have some stronger alpha brain than I do. This is his job. His job is to know this stuff. There is an alpha brain turbo that we're working on. Really? Yeah. Is it here now?

No, I have it at my house. Is it just a stronger version? Yeah, it's got some extra shit in it. See, I was asking Aubrey about that a couple years ago. Yeah. It won't take so long. Our original AlphaBrain was giving people headaches. We had to adjust it along the way.

Some people. Aubrey says the weaker chain of mumps. I was just going to say that, yeah. You weren't made to take AlphaBrain. You know what I mean? Well, it's a dose-dependent thing, and it's also there's people that get headaches when they drink caffeine. There's people that can't drink milk.

There's a lot of biological variability. But what this is is a more potent version of alpha-brine. We're pushing the boundaries a little bit. So we're going to run some tests on it. So we've got some trials, and I've been taking it. Send me a couple. I'll test it for you. I'm a fan. You're a fan, yeah. Yeah, it works. It's got some DMT in it. I love it. So we've got some trials and I've been taking it. Send me a couple. I'll test it for you. I'm a fan. You're a fan? Yeah. It works.

It's got some DMT in it, a little bit of alpha brain. You know what I really like too? I've talked about this before, is Neuro One. It's Bill Romanowski's company. He's got a great nootropic supplement. I like it too. It tastes good too. I drink the chocolate. I feel like Bill Romanowski now the way I walk around with all my

supplements and stuff. He's got like a tackle box. I do, i do man like when i travel now it's like i have a whole suitcase full of supplements do you really yeah it's like no matter where you go yeah so even if you're on like a couple day road trip somewhere you're bringing all your supplements with you yeah or i have those divider packs you don't have like three of them right you don't fuck around yeah even on my hunting trip really oh yeah man wow yeah, man. Wow. And you're on a trip, you eat clean? Yeah, I do. That's why I bust into those Mountain House fucking fettuccine Alfredos. Dude.

Drink all those freeze-dried. The farts are so bad, though. But once you've been so clean and you know how it feels, and then after your fight you eat like a fucking asshole for a week, it instantly is like, dude, I got to stop. I got to stop this shit. I feel depressed. I feel horrible. I got gotta get back into eating clean you know it's like how much time did you take off after the cody fight the second one uh food nutrition wise probably like a week maybe or maybe like when hog but even then it's just like not the whole day

it's just like i'll have one bad meal i'm like oh fuck i shouldn't have done that you know like i'm gonna feel that shit what is it about it like wanting a pizza because you know you shouldn't have it like looking at that pizza go fuck it we We're going in. Yeah. Well now so I never used to be a sweet tooth But now it's sugar. It's desserts Like I used to be more just like I eat more pizza like stay whatever it could be But now since I haven't been eating sugar, I want to drink a soda. I want a doughnut regular so the regular soda Yeah, I when I drink a regular soda the first thing I think I can't believe people drink this oh yeah i don't like regular like people are drinking this shit all day long because i don't drink it so when i drink it my body's like what the fuck are you doing stupid

like i had a mountain dew after the fight and i feel i feel like hung over the next day it's weird how your tolerance drops too yeah if you don't eat sugar anymore and then you take it in, the first thing that happens to me, like I'll have an ice cream sundae, I just have to sit down. I'm like, ugh. Dude, the sugar is the root of all evil, man. It's so bad. Not good for the body.

Especially in high doses. Yeah. Like, you know, people that walk around with a two-liter Pepsi and just chug it. Ah, man. Yeah. Man. I mean, how many fucking servings are in a 2 liter Pepsi And some people drink that whole thing in a day

Easy Like you see the truck drivers with the big bulbs Just fill in their arteries With bullshit Black insides All that fat, gut fat The lower abdominal fat Pushes into your balls

Lifts up your belt Just so uncomfortable Lower abdominal fat pushes into your balls. Lifts up your belt. It's going to get another Pepsi. Just so uncomfortable. We know that the sodas that have the Zevia sodas, those ones taste good. Those are really good. Zevia's are great. Those are awesome. I drink those all the time.

Me too. Guilt free. The difference between them and a Diet Coke in terms of flavor, I actually like them better. When I drink Diet Coke, I'm like, ah, it's kind of fucking chemical-y. It tastes like chemicals, yeah. Yeah. Whereas Zevia just tastes like a good flavor, but it doesn't make you feel like shit. There's no glycemic index.

There's no change in your sugar levels. You just taste good. It almost feels like there's no sugar in it when you drink them. Yeah, I know. Yeah, this stuff, Stevia is an interesting thing because too much of it it tastes like shit yeah it's got a weird aftertaste right yeah you gotta it's so potent you just need like a touch yes but when you put it in your coffee like i'll put it in there like sugar but they're like whoa like whoa yep it's rough what other um stuff does he have you eating that you weren't eating before?

Is there any concentration on different kinds of greens? Dude, I juice like crazy now. And you're juicing mostly green stuff? A lot of it. I mean, there's a... Do you blend or you juice? No, I juice. I do a masticating juicer, a cold press juicer.

Because if it's something fast like a blender, it kills a lot of the nutrients. Really? And you absorb more of it. So even if you were just to eat this giant table of raw food, you would absorb less of it than if you juiced it. Really? Why is that? Because it goes right into your bloodstream?

Something about how your body breaks it down. Yeah, so something about the cold-pressed juice is your body is absorbing it more. So, I mean, that's like a have-to. Even when I'm traveling, I don't have my juicer. I end up buying it, which aren't as good, but I, I have to drink some sort of green juice every day. And are you taking it with any kind of fat? Cause what I heard about, especially with vegetable juice, that your body absorbs it better with fat, like with coconut oil or avocado oil or something like that.

We do, uh, yes, we have to have to do a certain kind of MCT oil. I take tablespoons in the day and in the night to help absorb not only that, but then the ubiquinol goes with it to help me rebuild red blood cells and do a bunch of crazy things. What is ubiquinol? It's also some sort of oil. I take them in a pill, but some sort of oil that helps with the transport chain of, I don't even, couldn't even tell you. You'd have to get salmon here.

I'd have to get salmon here. He'd probably try to hold back. I have to get salmon here he'd be he'd probably try to hold back i want to get him in here dude he'd be very interesting but uh i almost don't want you to because that's where all my secrets are it's like my secret weapon man there's people that just wouldn't listen anyway yeah that's true there's so many people that would and they would listen they wouldn't really follow but and it's a full-time fucking job though you know what i mean like you can't be lazy and do Sam's shit.

I can't imagine how you could be. It seems like you have to be on top of it all the time. I don't have time in the day to do all the shit that he has me doing as well as training. So do you take the MCT oil

with the green juice? You can or just take it. And for people who don't know what that is, a medium chain triglyceride oil is derived from coconut oil. So it's the more nutritious form of coconut oil so it's a the more nutritious form of coconut oil so you you can take it what it was explained to me was that you're

better off when you're taking something that's as nutrient dense as juice cold pressed juice that you really should take it with a fat and it'll help your body absorb the nutrients better i don't know yeah he never told us that okay but maybe i'm wrong no i don't know i mean he didn't matter no he doesn't know i mean he didn't know he doesn't know everything when i take kale shakes i always add either uh coconut oil or well i usually add both coconut oil and mct oil to it i mean i think that's not bad for you so why not you know yeah i don't know if it's better or not but i know it's not bad for you yeah now um what is your ratio like fats to protein do you know what that is or does he

map all that stuff maps all that out and depending where i'm at and how my body's recovering um but yeah i'm high high fat high protein diet you know um low to no carb obviously different kinds of carbs i i have to have carbs but just uh like i won't be ketogenic but i'll get my body into ketosis certain times throughout my camp right make my insulin sensitivity high, right? So I'll eat simple carbs that break down faster. You know, they've found that people, even on this carnivore diet, which a lot of people are doing now, they still reach ketosis. They still reach ketosis because they're not taking in any grain.

They're not taking in any carbohydrates. And even though your body converts protein through glucogenesis, it converts it into sugars into glucose um it's it's doing it in a very efficient way and processing in a way that a lot of these people are in ketosis all the day most of the time just not not the same like high levels if you were going like a regular ketogenic diet i think it's supposed to be 70 percent fat something crazy or 60 something percent, and then the rest protein. Wow.

Did you tell Jordan Peterson that? Isn't he eating all meat? Yeah, he's eating all meat. I think, and I had his daughter on recently as well, and it's very controversial, particularly for his daughter because his daughter is giving paid nutritional consultation, but she doesn't really have a background in nutrition. But she's just showing people what really has worked for her and her experience and her background. I think her and her father, Jordan, I think he has a serious autoimmune issue, like serious. And I think it's very possible there are some people amongst us

that are allergic to almost everything. They have allergic reactions to all kinds of different foods. I think it's really, really rare. I think for most people like you or I, you're really better off eating rich, dark, green, leafy vegetables and nuts and fish and chicken and wild game. And I think if you get some wild turkey or some wild pheasants, you should eat really good, lean, healthy, real food. I think most people can eat apples and oranges and watermelon. There's no problem.

But I think there are a few people amongst us, and I think Jordan's one of them, where his body just fucking rejects things. I think his body has terrible reactions to all these different things. And going on an all-meat diet has cured his depression, got him off antidepressants for the first time in more than two decades oh wow it reduced his

weight back to the weight it was when he was 25 years old i just don't think it's a viable or intelligent diet for everyone yeah i just think it's it's a good diet for people that are very extreme in in their their nutrition requirements because they have some serious autoimmune issues. If you have autoimmune issues, you should definitely go towards keto. Yeah. You know, Sam's gotten rid of my psoriasis. I didn't even know he could get rid of it, but he got rid of my psoriasis with my diet.

I mean, they say it could be from the stem cells too, but I believe it's from, I mean, I did so much stuff, but the diet, you know. Well, I know several people that have got rid of their psoriasis through that um i think jordan is actually one of them as well okay he had psoriasis and the psoriasis he also had some serious gum disease that he was having for his whole life gone as soon as he got in this carnivore diet and it's just i mean he's just eating beef that's it yeah i mean literally he drinks drinks water and eats beef that is it i feel like it's gonna

be bad for your like you would think so how brock lesnar got hurt right i didn't say yours brock got diverticulitis uh anthony bourdain told me that sometimes people get diverticulitis from all sorts of reasons from like eating you could like have a seed like a fucking some seed from some plant that you ate gets stuck somewhere in your lining, and it gets infected, and you can get diverticulitis from that. He said diverticulitis can come from a lot of different things. I think Brock probably wasn't even chewing. I think he was probably swallowing animals whole.

My dog. Out in the wild. He's, like, grabbing fucking gophers and shit and just chucking them down. And screaming naked on top of a hill. Hell yeah. That's sick. Fuck. I'm really bummed out that the WWE ever had him.

I really feel like if Brock Lesnar had just gone from amateur wrestling. Dude, he was a beast. I'm calling wrestling. He's a beast. And if he just completely dedicated himself to mixed martial arts from the jump. I mean, he's already, look, he knocked out Randy Couture. He battered Frank Mir. I mean, he submitted Shane Carwin.

He already has an incredible resume for a guy that was a WWE star, a multi-millionaire star before he ever fought his first MMA fight. Just such a savage. It was just beating inside of his heart so bad that he wanted to do it. But came in and did it. Really did it. Lost to Kane. Lost to fucking Overeem.

I mean, beat Mark Hunt. Even though Mark Hunt says he was cheating. Seems he might have been correct. Mark Hunt went on a rant today about Brock Lesnar. Oh, really? Called him a cheating piece of shit. He's mad that he's coming back to the UFC. He's got a legit claim coming back to the UFC. He's got like a legit claim.

Yeah. For sure he does. I mean, Brock's only fought the top of the top. He's never fought like a warm-up fight. He's never came in and had a warm-up fight, you know? I don't watch WWE, but they say he's shrinking. Oh. Yeah.

You saw it was about to come in. He's already in a testing pool. They're going to be knocking on your door. Oh, he already is. That's why he's getting smaller. They're knocking on your door at 6 o'clock in the morning that was the problem when he fought Hunt there was some stipulation where he wasn't going to be tested

or something yeah there was some weird loophole so he retired and when you come back you're supposed to go through a 4 month testing before you're even allowed to accept a fight and they waived that 4 month of testing so he was getting tested once he came back, but he didn't have to have that four-month of testing without having a fight.

This is what I heard. USADA. Boy, USADA's changed the game, kids. Changed the game. Hell, yeah. Indeed. And I look better than I did back then. I'm Jack City right now.

I'm feeling better. I'm looking City right now. Sam with an awesome. I'm feeling better. I'm looking better. It's awesome, man. The professionalism that's going around our spots just made me continue. I've always been hungry, but just the science behind it and me being able to go three different weight classes and it being real and just me being the baddest man on the planet

has got me like ready to go you know like that's the only photos they have before and after trying to find a better one try that pull that one up again i didn't see much difference there anybody pull that up jamie anybody who stands or sits the way brock is sitting on the one on the right you're gonna look in here the way his arms are spread wide no matter what he's gonna be big yeah he's going to be big. Yeah, he's still going to be 265 fucking pounds. Yeah. Okay, well, there you kind of get it. Yeah.

Yeah. He's losing some size, definitely. But he's going to keep a lot. He's definitely going to lose a lot. The thing that's going to fuck with his head, if anything does, is when you are on steroids for a long time or anything that jacks up your endocrine system the way we're we're assuming he did here and when it's over it's a series already gotten caught I'm talking like a lawyer sorry you're assuming he did his endocrine systems got to be struggling and he's 40 years

old now I mean He's only 40? Yeah. He's going to be producing nothing but estrogen. He might not even be 40. He might be 39. How old is Brock Lesnar? But he's 49 or 39 in Viking years. They age different. 41. 41. Close enough. He's got to get in now while he can.

Yeah. Heck yeah. So what do you think you did that elevated your testosterone? think uh my recovery so not redlining my body all the freaking time i try i train too hard like i always went too hard i always wanted to do more i'm an old school wrestler like more is better more is better trainer no so my recovery big time listening to my body listening so by your heart rate variability when you're sleeping it'll tell you when you wake up how recovered you are and how hard you should push it that day.

So being the CEO of TJ Dillashaw and deciding, even if it's on the schedule, I'm going to go hard the next day, but I wake up not recovered, call everyone like, hey, man, I'm not coming in today. I've got to go walk around with the family. I'm not training, taking it off. So you know by how many heartbeats difference? It's not the heartbeat.

It's the variability. So sometimes your heart shouldn't just beat every second. It should be like 0.8, 1.4 seconds. So it will tell you that your central nervous system is not worn out. So when you're getting sick or you're overworked, your body will tell you from your heart rate that it's about to happen. So if you can catch it, and if you don't listen to it and you just keep going, like you go down this deep hole that you'll never come out of.

But if you catch it right away, no matter what, your body is always going to do peaks and valleys. But you want your valley to be lower and your peaks to keep getting higher. Valley low, keep getting higher. The way to do that is through your recovery, which is going to help your testosterone production, your growth hormone production when you're sleeping as well as my supplementation um what aminos i'm taking and why and when i'm taking them um you know the arginines the 21 blend aminos like i'll take them all different times um when do you take them uh usually three times a day um sometimes i'll take certain things at

night certain things in the morning depending on what it's supposed to do for me. Like my, my ornithine, my glycine and my tryptophan I take a night before I go to bed because it was helping my testosterone, my growth hormone boost. Things I'll take during the day because it's better for my energy system, my ATP production. Yeah. So he's just got all this mapped out for you. Yeah,'s amazing yeah he's how many people could he possibly do that for though he would have to teach other coaches to do it you know he'd have to do like a mentorship where coaches would come in and they would train underneath him you know and then hopefully stay with us that's the thing like if you teach someone too much they can go do whatever they want and they can have the science eventually it'll get

out to where you know you're going to see the test you know you're going to see what he's doing and people are going to want to come and learn how to do it and for heart rate variability do you sleep with a chest strap and a wrist watch that registers you don't have to have the wrist watch on but as long as it's close enough to register your heart strap what are you using which which one um i'm using suntone or suit was it sunto santo santo yeah oh okay that's they make hunting watches as well yeah oh yeah they make awesome hunting watches the best yeah like gps trackers everything yeah i use one of those yeah those are great and then so what do you do do you take the data from that and you put it on a pc like he's got an algorithm um and so i yeah went

from that i connected so my watch is connected to my phone. Okay. And then Sam is logged in. Your watch is physically connected to your phone or it's through an app? Through Bluetooth. Yeah, it's an app. And so the app shows you? Yeah, the app, I can put in my information and it sends it straight to Sam's computer. So every morning he checks in the morning. So he logs in and gets your data?

Mine. He's got a list of people that he checks, you know, and depending where they're at. Like right now I'm not doing it, obviously obviously i don't need to track my recovery but when i'm in camp he's tracking my recovery and he'll let me in the note in the morning like look man you're 84 recovered let's pick it up or you're 20 you need to chill you know like you'll decide so my my week to week you have an idea what it's going to be but it always changes how many times do you think on these days where you looked at the results and said, okay, I'm taking the day off, would you have just said, don't be a pussy and push through this shit?

Oh, yeah. I would have easily. I mean, I don't feel that bad. But then my next training practice, like, damn, I fucking feel good. Right. I'm primed and ready to go, you know? And so. Is it hard to do that?

Yes. To take your foot off the gas? Even in the past when I've redlined my body and didn't know the science, I've been had to pull back. But now that I know it, it makes it easier for me to do it, but it's still very hard. It's still very hard to not do more, not do more. My dad's taught me, work your fucking ass off. Work hard. Work harder than the next guy.

But work hard when you're working, but know when to not work. Yes. I think that applies to life too i really do i think you just burn it out all the time just like i was saying if like it was your sole focus was fighting i would burn myself out right you know i have to have these escapes you know i have to be able to do other things i have to enjoy family time i have to go golfing i have to go hunting i have to get on the lake yeah and even during fight camp so i have i used to be like fight camp was

fight camp that's all i did right but now going with sam and having these days off i get to spend more family time i get to actually do shit i like on certain days like i have two days off a week and we spread them out at different times sometimes i might have three sometimes i might have more depending if i'm getting sick or if i'm overworked but um i actually get to go do shit i get to go wakeboard you know that. That's nice. Yeah. Now, is there anything else that he's got you doing that's weird that we haven't, like, you doing any e-stim? Are you doing anything?

I mean, it's always changing. We're getting really big into, like, the extra recovery stuff, the cryos, the light therapy, the CVAC machines, the hyperbaric chambers, when to do them and how to test everything. Everyone has always known they're good for you, but I don't feel like there's been the exact numbers behind it, and now he's going to track it kind of thing. So we're getting more into that realm of it. I use an Alto Lab that helps with me getting my hypoxic state to do altitude training

to where I'm breathing in that for an hour a day. And that's, I'm, I'm going anywhere to like 40,000 feet, you know, but there's only like certain like blanks you could do it for. And you have to take like, like for instance, like doing like six minutes on four minutes off or three minutes on three, like in, in tracking what my body's doing the next day. Um, what else we're doing? Obviously my diet, my supplementation we talked about, I mean, just the crazy workout stuff he's got us doing too you know um like i said it's kind of like rocky training um but it's a shit ton of core work and his warm-up is not a warm-up his warm-up is usually everyone else's workout he's pushing us to our lactate threshold to where like you want to throw up you're done and then we're doing muscular endurance you know. So we're not doing any kind of strengthening until I've pushed that limit.

So maybe I've hit hard ground and pound. When you stand up and you have a muscle pump and you can't go, you don't have that anymore because your lactate threshold is higher now. If my lactate threshold is higher, then I'm not going to be able to push myself to where I have that pump. So get to that point so you know what it feels like right so mentally if i ever get to that point of fight i'm okay because i've been there as well as when you get there and you work out past it a smart way then it's going to increase your lactate threshold and your lactate it'll take

you longer to get to that point so when you're doing strength and conditioning work you're you're exhausting yourself before you're doing strength work? Not always, but yes. Yeah. Some workouts aren't as hard as others, but yeah, the ones that were, like when I said

the hardest I've ever worked on my entire life was that kind of shit. Wow. Yeah, to where you think like, even especially like when I first started doing it,

I'd be like, all right, nice, that was a good workout, dude, good job. All right, when it's over,

let's hit the garage, we're lifting, you know? Or we're hitting the pool, we're swimming. So yeah. Damn. Yeah, he's rough, dude. My girl just called Or we're hitting the pool. We're swimming. So yeah. Damn. Yeah, he's rough, dude.

My girl just called me. I need to go, Coach Sam. Yeah. No, come here. The way I'm saying it, yeah. Every time I drive up the street, I know it's string machine day, and I always pull up, and I see the stop sign right before I turn left to get to his house.

I'm like, fuck, I could just keep going. I don't have to turn left. I don't have to go do this shit, you know. But if you're in the garage and you continue to come back, you're a sicko. You know, you like this shit. Now, how do you organize that strength and conditioning days and what precedent, like how, what importance does strength and conditioning take over skill work? Like, and how do you organize that? That's something that still is always going to be

developed depending on person to person who needs more skill right um and who's obviously you never have it completely but um some people need more skill training than others and if you're getting in there like when i first started mma i probably shouldn't have done strength conditioning for a year and a half i should have only done skill because i needed to catch up um but i'm to the point now where each camp changes with technique and and I'm obviously going to continue to grow, and that's why my camps are so long. I'll do more skill outside of camp time and more getting my body ready. I don't know if I'm answering your question.

No, you are. It always changes. You don't want to burn yourself out that hard and then spar. That's still something I feel like we're even learning with Sam still too. He obviously is a wrestler, and he knows training, and he knows strength conditioning, and that's why we just know our heart rate, and that's why every coach is –

and that's the thing too is that at our team, every coach is going to talk to each other. They're all on the same page. We know – like they know what days are going to be off. Like no one's going to show up to the gym today. If they do, we're going to go light because we pushed it yesterday. It's never going to be like the strength conditioning coach's job is to kill you. Now you're going into wrestling, he's going to the gym today. If they do, we're going to go light because we pushed it yesterday. It's never going to be like the strength and conditioning coach's job is to kill you. Now you're going into wrestling, he's going to kill you too.

Like we're all on the same schedule so that we know that maybe Wednesdays are our active recovery. So if you're going to go into practice, you're just drilling, you're moving light, you're not going hard because you got killed the day before. So when you're at your peakest, hardest days, your next day is either off or an active rest day. Do yoga. go do some yoga get your mind off it you know and does he have your weeks planned out in advance or is he doing it day to day like how is he when when do you know what you're going to be doing um i don't know but he knows he plans out everything in advance and obviously the whole camp my whole life for him

camp does it dude he's like my life coach man like even after this fight he's like all right let's not change the diet i don't want just rice to come back i don't want to have to work from ground zero i want to like stay this we can keep building um so he's like my life coach you know like i feel like i'm cheating on him when i'm eating a cheeseburger with buns on it you know but um that's funny he's got the whole camp planned out my whole just continuing to grow, and obviously it will vary depending on my recovery. Now, with this ESPN deal, I know they're planning on some pretty big events, right?

Have they talked to you about fighting on ESPN? Not yet, no. I mean, obviously, being a champion, you want to be pay-per-view, though. Right, that's where the Kizash is at. Yeah, yeah. I mean, that's what it comes down to. Actually, you're betting on yourself. When you fight live it's you get a lot of viewers you build your name right but when you have these pay-per-views you're you're betting on that people want to

watch you because you're you you know and uh i've just continued to fight my fucking ass off and and go ham you know that's gonna be my style i'm always gonna go pedal to the metal when i fight looking for knockouts because that's my entertaining. That's how I'm entertaining. Like, yeah, sure, I'll maybe talk confidence and talk trash. I'm going to fuck you up, you know, but I'm not going to go out and be the Colby's, you know. I'm not going to go crazy. That's my personality. I want to be able to look.

I mean, I know it's fun. It's awesome. We like those guys. But I want to be able to look back on my career and, like, show my kid, like, look, that's who I was. Like, I fucking stay myself. I stay my true color. I'm an open fucking book. I whatever it is you know but i want it to be like the chocolate l days you step out there and fucking knock someone out you get love for it you know

like the real kind of gladiator shit well it's definitely building for you now you know i mean there was a lot of negative energy that was coming your way when you left alpha male and when you were on the ultimate fighter there was some negative shit that was coming your way when you left Alpha Male and when you were on the Ultimate Fighter, there was some negative shit that was coming your way. But it seems like with every victory, like all that stuff is going behind you. And now it's really obvious you made the right choice. And now knocking Cody out twice in a row.

Yeah. I didn't want to do the Ultimate Fighter. They asked me, like, hey, so I was like, I want my fucking title fight. Like, I've been needing it for a while. You know, I've been begging for it. And then obviously they're going to give me Cody, like, hey, we want you to coach Ultimate Fighter first. I was like, fuck, of course title fight. Like, I've been needing it for a while. You know, I've been begging for it. And then obviously they're going to give me Cody. Be like, hey, we want you to coach Ultimate Fighter first.

I was like, fuck, of course. I got to go coach against Alpha Male. It's like the last thing I want to do. I knew all this shit was going to be fucking crazy. And so I didn't want to do it. But I wasn't going to say no because that's my shot at the title, you know. And I'm fucking so glad I did it because I got to show my true colors. I got to show how much I care about the sport, how much I got to be a martial artist, teach the way that me and Dwayne kind of do things, very professional,

let them be fucking assholes and then come around and have a bite them in the ass. It worked out perfect for me because we got to show what really is what. Sorry. No, go for it. It was a good opportunity to showcase how to handle those situations. You get to be your own judge. The more evidence you have in front of you, you get to be your own judge of what actually happened rather than Uriah and Cody running their fucking mouth of me leaving, me being a traitor, me doing this,

me taking PEDs compared to what's actually going down. You know what I mean? Like you get to be the judge yourself on who I am. So the more you get to know, I mean, that's the way I should look at it. The more you get to find out about me, the more you get to be the judge yourself on who i am you know so the more you get to know i mean that's why i should look at the more you get to find out about me the more you get to know me did you and cody talk after the fight at all no no i mean i shouldn't show respect to him and like i never had a problem with cody when we were at alpha male ever like i felt like i kind of feel bad for the guy because this wasn't any of his drama you know like he was coming to the team when i was kind of on my way out you know he just started i was holding mitts for me just got in the ufc because

we didn't have a coach because duane left right so i'm i'm running the kickboxing classes duane left i'm the only one left there to coach practices so i'm holding mitts for him and stuff like that um and then i get the ultimatum and i leave and then he becomes champ and now it's like all this pressure from uriah and team alpha Male to talk shit and us be the rivals of him was weighed on his shoulders. I mean, that fucking sucks. I mean, I feel like that's a big flag to have to carry rather than just carry your own flag. You know, carry what you care about. Carry your own fucking flag instead of like, damn, I got all my team on my back.

Like, that's a lot of pressure, you know? Yeah, I think for him, like like he really felt like that team and that family environment is what he needed yeah that really i mean he said alpha male saved his life it meant a lot to him yeah and what he should have thought that martial arts saved your life you know what i mean like yeah the team it's awesome having a team it's having like even like we have a team now i say be individualized but it's really good to have a team because you guys are going through the same shit together. It's good to have friends that are doing the same shit. I can't only have average Joe friends because they don't know what it is to be me.

They don't know what shit I have to do to be the world champion. So it's good to have those guys around you. But really you've got to know that martial arts is what's going to steer you in the right direction. If I wouldn't have had wrestling, if I wouldn't have went to college with wrestling, I would have fucking fucked shit up you know i just had that personality like i'm really glad that wrestling kept me grounded and then getting into martial arts and i'm a very addictive person i mean who knows what i'd be addicted to if it wasn't martial arts i'm exactly the same way at least i've i've found the right things to be addicted to i think that's important for so many kids i think there's so many young kids that are growing up and they

have all this angst and you know they're – their bodies are anxious and they're filled with fucking testosterone. Yeah, the kids want to break things. I think if you could focus that into wrestling or – Instead of giving them Ritalin? Yeah. Just let them wrestle. Yeah, just any kind of martial art, jiu-jitsu, something. It's just so good for their self-esteem and for just relieving that excess energy allows them to see more clearly,

think things through better. It's just so good for them. And unfortunately, you're seeing less and less of that with people today. There's less and less martial arts in people's lives. That's why I make a bunch of free videos and just lead by example. You know, like you asked me if I still train.

Hell yeah, I do. Like, I love this. And again, a bunch of free videos and seminars. Yeah, you know like you asked me if i still train hell yeah i do like i love this and and again a bunch of free videos and seminars yeah you can find you can find marsh like it's easier access of martial arts right now like duane's duane's online academy for instance like you can get technique 24 7 go do it in your garage with your buddy go hit a punching bag right learn jujitsu online like you know i'm starting my even like the physical fitness part of of training like i'm starting my own uh um my own academy as well online where i'm going to teach you not only the techniques behind it but how i get stronger at doing them how i get in better shape like a physical fitness part of it as well when it's not going to be available uh probably it's less than a month

hopefully beautiful yeah i'll tweet that let people hell yeah man beautiful yeah it'll be i mean you can get more information on now just on TJDillashaw.com. But, yeah, I'm going to start an online kind of – I'm actually – meeting Dwayne not only coached me in the technique of martial arts, but, you know, the way he's organized everything, how he's learned from Boss, how to organize, how to create a system. I've kind of done the same thing, you know. I've not only legit the technique, but the lifestyle, you know?

I'm kind of running with that. I'm running with that, and I want to show people. I'm not going to, because eventually I'm not going to hold back and have any secrets. I'm going to tell everyone everything, you know? Yeah. And I want to start a champ camp. I want to do, like, a very exclusive champ camp where it's, like,

only 10 people can come, and you come and stay with me, live at my house in Colorado, go wakeboarding. But then we also learn, like, the mental aspect of how I i think to be a champion how i eat how the techniques take them to doing gym like that's a great and i want to because that's what we need to do is lead by example right help out because then i can really feel like i can like let loose i can like tell you everything to where i i don't want to say to tell everyone everything because i'm giving away my secrets that's who i am that's why i'm the best in the world but i love to teach and i love to do it and i feel like by giving them small like small groups and giving some intimate time doing a real

champ camp is something i want to do as well and i want to start creating and i want to create them in places where we can have some fun too because i think fighting you got to have fun in this thing like you you're talking to donald serrani uh not too long ago and that guy has to have fun yeah if he's too much into them like the professionals of him just fighting then he's going to fall apart and so I want to teach you that I do that shit my recovery is serious, my nutrition is serious I teach you how I, everything

no secrets beautiful, but listen man, this sport is exploding and one of the reasons why it's exploding is the guys at the very top like you that are constantly innovating and keeping an open mind and constantly improving, so you're a big part of the whole grocery thing, man. It's awesome.

It's awesome to see. So congratulations to you, sir. Congratulations to all of you. Mr. Master Splinter. You guys are awesome, man. I'm a big fan of both of you. Keep kicking ass. Always.

And please tell people where your academy is in Colorado. Arabana. Westminster, 100th and Wadsworth. And we have a super seminar coming up with Sensei Basru and Trevor Whitman and TJ Dillashaw October 27th and then we got the Kellershaw MMA series

coming out as well your website is bangmuitai.com and hell yeah and TJ Dillashaw on Instagram Twitter

everything it all it's just TJ Dillashaw no nicknames no nothing beautiful heck yeah man thank you gentlemen

of course thanks to Rogan.