The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #50 with Yves Edwards

Episode Date: December 5, 2018

Joe is joined by UFC Lightweight veteran and current PFL commentator, Yves Edwards.

Powerful joke. Here we go. Four, three, two... Hello, Eve Edwards. What's going on, my friend? Not much, my man. What's that shirt? What is it?

A moon smiley face? Yeah. Graffiti in the moon. Ah. You know me and my smiley faces. Yeah. People would graffiti the moon if they could get up there. If they could, right?

That's probably the first thing you're going to have to worry about with these virgin flights they're planning on going there. People leaving some shit that you could see from Earth. You know? Yeah. Pissing everywhere. Dude, so much to talk about. So much going on.

Yeah, there's a lot going on in the world of MMA and the world of Doug Jitsu. Yeah, your world, MMA, even boxing. There's a lot of shit going on in boxing. Looks like we're going to get Deontay Wilder on Monday. He's going to be in here. Oh, yeah. Yeah. He's saying, did you see the video on his Instagram?

He shows that it's more than 10 seconds. Yeah. It is. It's a fact. I mean, he plays the clock. As soon as Tyson Fury goes down, then it's more than 10 seconds before he gets back up. The only problem with that is, I mean, it's human error, right? You can't start immediately.

There's always that little space of time. Isn't there supposed to be a guy on the sideline though that starts the count? And then he picks it up with five, four. But the problem is referees when they're in the heat of the battle the fucking adrenaline,

their seconds, it's not like they have a stopwatch in their hand. They hit it every time a guy goes down, which's not like they have a stopwatch in their hand they hit it every time a guy goes down which why don't they have probably it's too much to remember we're just talking about the heat of the moment

boom click is that too much to remember I mean think about all the shit Tyson Fury has to remember that's all instinct right yeah

Fury I mean that fight I wanted of course I'm rooting for Wilder, because I like big knockouts, you know what I mean? Yeah. And he looked good in the first two rounds, and then he just looked like he abandoned the game plan, and he was just looking for the knockout after that.

Well, he's got a problem. The problem is he can knock anybody the fuck out. That's a problem. Anybody except that guy, except Tyson Fury. It problem is he can knock anybody the fuck out. That's a problem. Anybody except that guy. Except Tyson Fury. It seems like he almost knocked him out. He knocked him out. Yeah.

He was out. If it wasn't, I mean, he definitely did 10. He was definitely down for 10. But here's the thing. If the referee, instead of saying 8, said 7, instead of saying 6, said 5, would he have gotten up quicker? I think he probably would have. Because he's waiting for 8, 9, and then he's standing up because he's trying to give himself he's an old vet he's trying to give himself as much recovery time as he can i don't

know when i watch when i watch him getting up i look at that that replay and you see his head like his head comes up like he's trying to get up and he can't and then he just like stands up like a zombie i i think that's some gypsy shit. That's scary. Well, I did not expect him to get up. I was watching the fight. Were you? Yeah.

I was in my own world there. Yeah, fuck yeah, yeah. Wilder was celebrating too. The thing was, when he went down, I went, oh shit, I can't believe he knocked him out in the 12th. Like that. And it was the left hook going down that was the craziest boom the right hand then bang the left hook going down it was so insane and he walked off it was a walk off it was a walk off knockout he was dancing and he was pointing to his woman in the audience and she was saying i love you and he was like the whole

thing was a celebratory moment and then the look on his face when he realized that tyson fury had gotten up like what yeah you know you know what that is remember remember the 80s and 90s um the friday the 13th movie yeah when you kill jason yeah and then you turn around it's like oh shit that movie's still here rise when you're full set up that's what that was how does wilder punch so hard as a man who studied martial arts his whole life like there's some dudes right don't you think yeah just they have some freak that explosive power but it's crazy how much he's got he's only 212 pounds that's the crazy thing it's like he's very small for a heavyweight like a lot of these guys 250 remember remember a guy named mike tyson oh yeah

he was like in the 215s right he was like was like 215. Yeah. Yeah. Not much different. He hits like a truck. I don't know how... I mean, I didn't have that kind of power. My knockouts were from stuff you didn't see and quickness. But a guy like Jeremy Stevens hits like that. Melvin Gillard had that kind of power. I don't know if you could develop that.

I think that's a natural thing. Yeah. Rumble Johnson type power. Yes. Yeah. Yes. I don't think you can develop that. I don't think so. I think that's a natural thing. Yeah, Rumble Johnson type power. Yes. I don't think you can develop that. I don't think so. I think you can accentuate it.

I think if a guy hits hard with better technique, you can hit harder. I think it's a bone structure thing. I mean, it's like if you look at Deontay, he's kind of built like a gigantic Tommy Hearns. Yeah. You know? Yeah.

Just wide in the shoulders, and his back is just a fucking bundle of like muscle ropes yeah it's just it's like those uh those thick ass ropes that they use for for boats you know what i mean when they moor ships that's like the muscles in his back just just jack back that's where all the power comes from i guess you should let him body shot you fuck all that fuck all that. Fuck all that, dude. Yeah, that dude's a scary dude, man. Yeah, he hits harder than anybody, I think, in recent memory.

Like, his one-shot power, it's ridiculous. What do you think? I mean, Tyson was a better boxer. Yes. A pure boxer, too. But, like, I would love to see big power punchers. They need to make a boxing game where they have all the – I guess they might have.

I don't know. But they need to have one where they have all the power punchers and do a power puncher tournament. Right. Well, you know what? I feel like that was a perfect boxing match because you have in Tyson Fury, first of all, you have this guy that overcame

depression and suicidal thoughts and you know drug addiction and alcoholism and he was just obesity yeah he was living in a world of depression he was just drinking constantly and doing coke and fucking his life up and then loses more than 100 pounds cleans himself up gets in there against the scariest guy in the heavyweight division, and puts on a boxing clinic. However, he still gets clipped. He still gets clipped not once but twice hard and dropped hard, especially in the 12th round.

So it's like for a person who loves watching fights, it's such a perfect fight because you've got, first of all, they're both great guys. Like both guys like if you're a fan of like exceptional human beings both guys are great guys yeah like the more i see deontay wilder interact with his family talk about things talk about the way he approaches fighting the more i appreciate what he's doing you know and then tyson fury how do you not love the guy and the way they exchanged like pleasantries after the fight was over, and Tyson was telling him he loved him and he kissed his fucking fist.

It was great all around, a great feeling. Even though it was a draw, I felt good about it. That was Rocky I. It was Rocky I. That's what that was. It was Rocky I. It was Rocky I. Sort of, right?

But it wasn't the slugger that won, you know? I mean, what it was was just a great— But nobody won. Nobody won. And Rocky I, right? Yeah. It was a great, great boxing match. That's what it was.

It was like it had all the good elements. It was the best heavyweight fight I've seen in a long time. I mean, that might have been better than than holyfield tyson that's hard to say i know holyfield was like the good guy coming in against the bad guy like there was so much to that fight and then with tyson like you thought he was invincible and then holyfield just eating his shots and slowly beating him down and then eventually stops him i don't know i think it's the ear bitten. Was it bite?

No, that was the second fight. The second one, right? Yeah. Second fight, yeah. Yeah, that was one of the best. I'll tell you what, though, man. Anthony Joshua versus Klitschko was one of the best in a long time before that. Yeah. You know?

They're going to goad that fella into a fight. Someone's going to trick that fella into a fight. I want to see that three-way mix, you know? i think joshua better stay the fuck away from wilder if i had if i was in his corner i was like dude you get hit sometimes you don't want to get hit anytime by that guy right he's he's trying to avoid him i mean he's got his head movement going now yeah i know he's waking up in the morning like just fucking bobbing and weaving it's like the dudes like that the consequences of getting clipped are so great it's so it's so interesting when someone has that kind of power the consequences are just so great

they're different than anybody else because you never stop watching you never stop watching that fight with with with tyson fury i mean we saw the gap getting bigger in the points. But then that ninth round hit. Yeah. And he dropped him. And it's like, yeah, see, he could still do it. And you're watching, watching. And then the 12th round, he hit him.

And then, you know, if you're a Wilder fan like me, you're jumping up and you're celebrating your victory. And then fucking Zombie gets up. I'm so impressed. Not only did he get up, he won the remaining parts of the round. He stung Wilder, had him back off. That can't, well, I guess it could, but it doesn't really happen in MMA, where somebody just gets destroyed or dominated. I guess in MMA it would be like a bad beating in one round,

and then the next round you come out and you're just like fresh. Because when he dropped him and when Fury got up and he looked at him, you know, he was a little bit broken, but he was probably like, all right, I'm going to take this motherfucker out. And then Fury put it on him a little bit. And that probably not broke his spirit, but that probably made him kind of shrink up a little bit. Well, he got lit.

I mean, he definitely got stung. He got cracked. Yeah, and you see him, like his eyes roll back. He backed off a little bit, Well, he got lit. I mean, he definitely got stung. He got cracked. Yeah, and you see him, like, his eyes roll back. He backed off a little bit, and then he grabbed ahold of Tyson. I'm like, whoa, he got rocked. Look, both guys are incredible. Good conditioning, too, for heavyweights. I mean, to take shots that late, because that's a lot about conditioning.

When you get tired, you know, your brain's ready to shut off. Yeah, and to be that big i mean six foot nine 256 pounds and still have that kind of conditioning you know and wilder to carry that knockout power in the 12th after being frustrated and just whiffing a lot for 12 fucking rounds that exhausts you yeah the punches you miss, that takes so much off of you. Yeah. It takes so much. Yeah, yeah. It was just great all around. It was just great.

What's the best boxing fight you can remember watching in your lifetime live? Not in person, but just watching it as it happens. Wow, that's a good question. I think Julio Cesar Chavez versus Meldrick Taylor. A lot of people say that. I didn't watch that one live. Because Taylor was so good. He was so fast.

And he was winning up until the 12th round. And Chavez just kept the pressure, kept the pressure, kept the pressure, kept the pressure. And then eventually, crack, crack, he hit some of the big right hand in the 12th round. You see Meldrick is just beaten down. The downside of that fight is Meldrick Taylor was never the same again. That was one beating that just he crossed over beyond the pale. Yeah. He went to the dark lands.

It's just not good after that fight. So what do you think if, was it Richard Steele was the ref? I think it was so steel doesn't start that fight in in those last seconds and meldrick taylor wins on the cards then then what happens is there a rematch and does he look the same as he like was he the same guy after that i think if he wins rematch he's done he's done no matter what i mean remember when terry norris knocked him out after that? Yeah.

He just did not look like he could take a punch anymore. That fight was so brutal. If you watch that fight again, Chavez just constantly raking his body and clipping. But Meldrick was just so fast and so skillful, like his movement and his speed. But Chavez was just relentless. It was a great fight. It was a great fight. It was a great fight. I watched it after the fact.

But there's a few of those fights where you know that that was the one where the guy's never going to be the same again. Yeah. You felt that way watching it? No, I felt that way afterwards. Okay. I mean, watching it, you go, like, what a great fight. But then afterwards, you realize, like, oh, that was it.

That was the fight. I kind of felt that way honestly for mma i felt that way about rory after the rory robbie fight oh right then he fought wonder boy and i was like yeah he doesn't look the same well i think he was having real problems with his nose you know um his nose has been shattered a bunch of times and he just can't take a shot at it anymore it just starts bleeding really bad but i think physically the way he moves and his ability to take punches is still exactly the same like you saw him in the lima fight you know he looks good still yeah he does he up taking that musashi fight though yeah that's too big too too big i thought the same thing too you know

exactly i mean they have a lot of similar skill sets. And then the bigger guy. Musashi might be a little better, too. Striking. Yeah, he's definitely better with his striking. His ground's no joke, either. Yeah. Musashi's just so good, man. He's so good that, like, if I was in his corner, I'd be like, look, I get that you want to do a super fight.

I get that you want to do a challenge. This guy's quite a bit bigger than you. And really, really fucking good. Like, Musashi might be the best 185er in the world you think so he's not if he's not he's there he's with whittaker he's with yoel he's there i there's the mix of them i really really like i have a whole lot of confidence in whittaker me too quietly he just kind of rose up to the top and i think people still sleep on him i think so too but i gotta say that i was surprised at the decision in the yoel romero fight the second one yeah i was like i think romero won that fight yeah or if not won it it was so close it had to be a

draw it was so fucking close but i think romero did way more damage romero hurt see he hurt him a couple times the thing about about the Wilder fight, someone said to me, oh, the scorecards are all fucked up. Tyson Fury should have won. Maybe, yes. Maybe I see what you're saying if you're looking at it in terms of that.

But as a person who knows what a fight is, Wilder clearly won the fight. If it was a fight. Yeah. Who's getting fucked up? In the schoolyard, Wilder won that. He won. And this is the Yoel Romero-Whitaker thing. Who won the fight if it was a fight yeah right who's getting fucked up right in the schoolyard while they won that he won right and this is the yoel romero whittaker thing who won the fight whittaker is getting you know just he got hit with bombs by yoel yoel hit him with some fucking haymakers

and whittaker survived but whittaker never put yoel in that same sort of situation where yoel was staggering around like really, really badly hurt. I mean, look, Whitaker is a champ. I mean, the skills, the heart, the courage, all those things. I mean, he's got everything. He's a champ. But I felt like the damage done. I hate the 10-point muscles.

Yes. I fucking hate it. Especially if MMA. I hate it. I mean. So stupid. Doesn't make any sense. You've got five-minute rounds. You're only using ten points.

Why? Because it was already there? Exactly. That's the big thing for me because, I mean, we've got aspects of jiu-jitsu. We've got aspects of wrestling. We've got aspects of striking, boxing, and kickboxing, right? And we're using a rule set from boxing only. Yeah.

One set of weapons. Yeah. That's it. And, like, how does that quantify the takedowns and the grappling exchanges? Right. I don't know. It's crazy. I disagree.

I remember they had all these different systems they were trying to work, and I feel like at one point, I think Doc Rivers maybe? Doc Hamilton. Doc Hamilton. Sorry. Yeah. Doc Rivers is a basketball player. Yeah.

Doc Hamilton is an excellent system. It was a half point system. Yeah. Which was better. It was a half point system Right Yeah, which was better Was better than what we're using now The pride system was better Yeah, the pride system was better Judge the fight as a whole And the last part of the fight is more important than the first part of the fight

Right Because that kind of tells you the path that we're going on Schoolyard Who's on top? Who's on top when the teachers get there? Who's beating the dude down when the teachers get there? Nobody cares if you're like throwing leg kicks And boxing the guy up for 15 minutes and then the teachers come right when the

guy gets on top of you and punching your face and i won the decision no no no no no the teachers pull that guy off you yeah and then you get rematches rematches in school they're fucking hard to swallow you gotta you gotta have gotta have balls have that rematch in school. Yeah. You know what you're getting into, right? Yeah. No money. All glory. Yeah. This has got to be a rematch for this fight, and it's going to be the biggest heavyweight

fight of all time. Yeah. I mean, it's going to be jive-fucking-gantic. And I'm happy for Wilder, because Wilder is finally a star. I mean, forever, we wanted an American heavyweight champion. Yep. Klitschko had it forever. Now we have not only an American heavyweight champion, but we wanted an american heavyweight champion yep klitschko had it forever now we have not only an american heavyweight champion but we had an american heavyweight champion that knocks everybody the fuck out knocks everybody the fuck out super exciting

great guy for some reason he didn't catch like it's weird like who catches who gets famous yeah it's weird but then when you look at the post fight interviews And um Tyson Fury You know God bless me God bless you God bless America I mean he got a lot of people On his side He's not American

He's a great guy He's great I've had him in here He's great I mean he's a real character He's a real deal Both of them are I mean I'm fucking so excited

About the rematch When do you think that happens? It's gotta be a long time He got hit with some bombs If I was in Tyson's camp I'd be like Dude we gotta take some time off. I know you feel great and you're riding this high.

How about the guy donates all his money to charity? Isn't that incredible? That's ridiculously incredible. $10 million. $10 million. Just donate it. Is he going to do that in the rematch? No, no, no.

The rematch is $100 million. 10%. He's making on that Floyd Mayweather money. Right. No, no, no. The rematch is $100 million. 10%. He's making on that Floyd Mayweather money. The rematch could be the biggest heavyweight title fight ever. I mean, it's bigger than right now, especially with the way the world is. It's bigger than Holyfield Tyson. It's bigger than Bo Holyfield.

Yeah, it's bigger than Holyfield Tyson, I think. Or right there, at least. Right there. It's hard to say because Tyson was such a cultural phenomenon like there was no one like him when we were kids and when Tyson would fight it would just be like a watching a public execution yes and people would like wonder should I pay for this should I get this pay-per-view how long is it gonna last have a bunch of people over popcorn and shit and last 15 seconds what do do you think the benefit of Wilder having Tyson come into his next camp is?

Tyson, I mean, he's a student. He knows boxing well. Is he doing that? I don't know. But what would the benefit be? Look, the benefit would be great. Mike Tyson knows a lot about boxing. I mean, he doesn't just know a lot about how he

boxed the history but he he knows so much i mean that was like one of the big things uh one of the big uh stories about his childhood was him watching jim jacobs old reel-to-reel films then watch those he'd watch all those old school films with Joe Louis and shit and Jack Dempsey. He patterned a lot of his style after watching those old timers. Archie Moore. I think he could definitely help him.

The style of someone who could help Wilder would be someone who is going to incorporate more movement and more switch up. Don't always throw bombs. You know who I would bring in if I was Wilder? Andre Ward.

Andre Ward and Virgil Hill. Have those guys tighten up what he does. I think Andre Ward's one of the smartest guys in boxing. How is he as an instructor, as a teacher? He's too fucking smart to not be good at it. Right. He's too smart. He knows too much about boxing.

Like, he's one of my favorite analysts when he talks about fights, like the way he breaks things down. Yes. And he's a guy who really does find weaknesses and exploit them. It's not just pushing buttons and throwing haymakers. Like, if you look at his rematch with Kovalev, he figured that fucking guy out. He got hurt by him early in the first fight, but then won the remainder of the fight, and then won the decision, a little bit controversial, but then said,

I know how to beat this motherfucker, and then came back in the second fight and stopped him. Yeah, Andre Ward and Virgil Hill. That's old school. Old school. Yeah. That would be a good fit, but there's a lot old school. Old school. Yeah. That would be a good fit. But there's a lot of good fits in boxing. You know?

Yeah. Boxing is an interesting thing is that they've had this long history of trial and error that MMA hasn't had. You know, like you see this, you know, you've got lineage that goes back to the 60s and the 70s. Yeah, lineage goes back way further than that. Yeah, yeah. Like Willie Pepp. Sure. I mean, in terms of, like, active trainers.

Oh, yes. Yeah, and active gyms, you know. I mean, these guys have been around forever. They've been putting champions into rings for decades. There's a lot of those guys out there. I think about i think about that too with like with tyson i mean like if costumato didn't die when he did would tyson's career have been different it probably would have that it probably would have been different i mean

i think kevin rooney did his best to try to keep that teaching going but uh i think sometimes that mentor is the glue that keeps you together. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Yeah. Yeah, the other stuff. That guy meant so much to Tyson because Custom Auto essentially gave him this new lease on life. Yeah. He thought he was going to be a loser and his life was going to be hell.

And then instead, he's the heavyweight champion of the world, the youngest ever. You know? Yeah. But then, yeah. But you know what? Teddy Atlas had a very very very interesting take on tyson he just felt like tyson never developed the skills to overcome adversity it's like as long as he was dominating everyone he was great but as soon as it started coming back in him he would

he would never recover from that you know we call that an mma a bully yeah or a front runner yeah yeah there's a lot of guys like that, right? Yeah, and good on top. Yes. They're a good hammer, not such a good nail. Yeah. You gotta be able to take them both. Yeah. When you say hammer and nail, it reminds me of, like, there was something I was thinking when we were talking about

Rory and Robbie. Like, what it takes, how much pain you have to be in to be a fighter, to be a fighter of Rory's caliber, and then just sit down and concede. Yeah. Because, like, it hurts that much. I think his face was shattered. I think his nose was, like, broken into eight or nine pieces or some shit like that.

It was just mush. And I just don't think he physically could go on anymore. Like, I've had breaks in training. I've had breaks in fights. Broke my jaw once training. once training i was like oh that hurts uh and then i got hit again i was like yeah i can't do this then um just was it a like a clean snap no it's just a uh it was a hairline but like it hurt like i couldn't chew i was crying the next day like i didn't know it was broken until the next day but um and then when i fought ludwig and bang and i fought i was on top he was on his back he throws a punch upwards hits me right in the eyeball and um

bust my orbital yeah you're talking about this the last time you were here yeah that is crazy when he hit me though i was like that hurts oh i put my head down for a second then i was like i gotta tap this guy gotta tap this guy so i'm just'm just trying to institute a jiu-jitsu game. And he's escaping all the time. But the pain, it wasn't like I want out. For Rory to sit down and concede, I can only imagine. Because I've been in pain in a fight. Excruciating pain is like, I just got to figure this out and move on.

But he was just like, no, that's enough. And it's Rory. We know how tough he is. Also, he's crazy like this is a dude who you know he's like you just kind of expect him to have bodies have bodies on him did you see him when he was on the podcast no i didn't i didn't see that he's not like you would think he is he's a great guy he is he's like very like warm and friendly he's awesome i sat on him sat with sat next to him on the bus a bunch of different times. We were just riding to the arena.

We've had a bunch of conversations. I love him. But when you see his demeanor or his persona when he's in front of the camera, he just seems very serious. Yeah, very serious and that killer-like, that serial killer-like. He is. He's a fucking killer. I mean, he is. He's not done either. I mean, I think the Musashi fight was a bad idea,

but I still think he's one of the best welterweights on the planet. 100%. Yeah. I mean, he can come back to the UFC and threaten Tyron. Oh, yeah. I think so. I mean, he beat Tyron the first time, but that's a different Tyron. Tyron with Duke Rufus is a different Tyron.

Yeah, for sure. And I think, you know, he knows more now. He's a different tyrant tyrant with uh duke rufus is a different time yeah and i think you know he's just he knows more now he's a champion now he's successfully defended his title several times he's much better too he's um he still slows later in the fight but like it's drastically different than it used to be um and once what i would like to see out of tyrant is than it used to be. And what I would like to see out of Tyron is more use of all of his skills later on and not just looking to land that big right hand because Tyron can do everything.

Tyron can do everything, but there are those times when you see him start to really depend on that right hand and only look for that. And he's like, right hand, right hand. Wait, wait, right hand, hand wait wait right hand right hand right hand the thing about that right hand though is it works yeah when you have something like wilder's right hand or like tyrant's white hand you have something that can you have a right hand that

could put anybody out i mean this is i've brought up this up before but think about it he fought darren till and he fought wonder boy twice. Those are two guys that are arguably the best strikers in the 170 pound division. Fuck both of them up on their feet. I mean, both fights, Wonderboy was on Queer Street, and then in the Till fight, the only punch landed at all

was by Tyron. He cracks Till, drops him. Till never touched him with a glove. Drops him, beats the shit out of him, and then chokes him. I think that was one of the best performances from Tyron. He looked really good in that fight. Really good. He looked almost disdainful, too.

Like, you know, you motherfuckers. I can't believe you guys got him the betting favorite. Yes. Like, what is that shit? That guy beats Cowboy Cerrone, a guy who was supposed to be fighting at 155 pounds. It was tough as shit, but one big fight, and all of a sudden you guys have him the betting favorite? This is preposterous. Put some respect on my knee.

Yeah, well, he's a polarizing figure for some reason. I don't know why. Maybe it's one of those things where guys have to catch. Maybe it's like if Tyrant like had a gsp fight like if gsp comes out of retirement fights tyrant tyrant smashes gsp then maybe people go i wonder like what muhammad ali was like because i wasn't i wasn't there right like everybody loves him now yeah but did they love him when he was when he was you know running his mouth and like i'm sure people did i'm sure that he had um his you know like the conor mcgregor fans you know because he he was that good but

i wonder if there was this big contingent of people that were like yeah no um we hate that muhammad ali guy well he was really that good but then he wasn't see what happened was we got really crazy with ali was they made him take three years off of fighting. And during that three years, he was supposed to be fighting in Vietnam. He's like, fuck you. I'm not going to Vietnam. So they strip him of his title,

and then he doesn't train. I mean, when he came back, did you ever see his comeback fight? Nope. He came back against Jerry Quarry, and I'm telling you, man, he looked like he had no muscle. Like, you look at him from the old days.

Like, look when he fought Cleveland Big Cat Williams. I mean, he was just a Greek god. But then you see him when he's coming back and he's fighting Quarry, three years out of the ring, probably barely trained at all. His body just looks slower and smoother. He just didn't look the same, like, physically. See if you can find that i mean and jerry quarry was just a super tough guy just would walk forward and eat a bunch

of shots but you like you look at his body like it doesn't look the same so you look at his back he doesn't i mean he obviously went through a full camp to get ready for that but he doesn't look like the muhammad ali of old and then when he, but he doesn't look like the Muhammad Ali of old. And then when he's fighting, he doesn't move like the Muhammad Ali of old. Those three years took a toll on him. Like, look at his body. It just doesn't look the same. Yeah. Yeah.

He looks a little smaller. Yeah. Smaller because he hasn't been training. So he probably lost a lot of muscle, just looks smoother, and just doesn't look as quick or as good. And he's fighting a guy that has no business in the ring with him. You know, he's fighting a guy that, I mean, and he's a, Jerry Quarry's a sad story when it comes to brain damage, too.

Like the end of his career, the end of his life, rather, was horrible. I mean, he had fought so many times against big punchers and was known for being able to take a punch and then also I think coming up I think it was his brother's his brother also had like a real problem with brain damage I think they did a lot of real hard sparring together and a lot of hard sparring in the gym and the end of his life was awful I read an article about what it was like at the end for him and it was similar to what the end of his life was awful. I read an article about what it was like at the end for him. And it was similar to what the end was like for Ali.

It's, I don't know. I always, when someone says something, it makes me think of something else. And you talk about Corey and his brother. It made me think of Joe Lozon and Dan Lozon fighting in the yard. When they would have those barbecues. Beat the shit out of each other. Like legit beat the fuck out of each other Yeah

I don't know if I could do that to my family They had a different kind of friendship That's so funny It's crazy Those videos of Joe on top of him Punching him in the head from behind I'm like whoa Joe That's your brother

Yeah exactly That's what I'm thinking It's like that's not a stranger man Yeah Well you know That's some of the toughest guys grew up with brothers. And they are right here beating the shit out of each other. This is what I was thinking of.

The thing is, though, this is Massachusetts, man. Massachusetts is a fucking hard-ass place. And they are fighting. I mean, they're full blast kicks and punches. And then their entire family is watching, too. And they're having a real Legit MMA fight Yeah

I mean Look at that That's so What a bunch of psychos They got little girls Watching and shit And they're on the grass And he's beating the shit

Out of his brother And he's better too Look at What kind of psycho family Are the Lozons Look at those Look at those little girls In front of the fucking car.

The whole family's sitting there. Oh, Uncle Joe is beating the shit. Oh, they put a soundtrack on it? Oh, that's hilarious. That's awesome. Yeah, let's not watch this. I like both these guys. You got him in a triangle.

About Tyron, though, I don't – look, when Ali was – the whole thing about him refusing to fight in the draft, people hated him. There was a lot of people that hated him, a lot of people that considered themselves patriots. Because before, we have to realize now pretty much everybody thinks the Vietnam War was a terrible idea. Right. The Gulf of Tonkin incident, which got everybody into Vietnam, was a false flag. It was all bullshit. We shouldn't have been there in the first place. Who knows what the real reason for being in Vietnam was, but a lot of people think it had to do with heroin and money and all kinds of other crazy shit, right?

So when Ali said, I'm not fighting in that war, back then, though, back then people thought he was a coward. Right. Back then people thought he was a traitor and he was aligned with malcolm x he changed his name from cassius clay to muhammad ali and everybody was worried about the black panthers and the black muslims and you know it was like there was a lot of hate towards him i'm sure and so then when he came back and he was not the same guy anymore i'm sure people loved it they were happy they were happy when joe fra beat him. People were happy. Yeah. Yeah. That's a human nature, right? It is.

People pick sides. Like you pick sides when Wilder knocked down Fury. Yeah. We pick sides. I don't, I mean, you don't know those guys, right? No, but like I'm also not going to hate on him. You know what I mean? That's the thing. I'm not hating on Fury.

I wasn't like, fuck Fury. No. But you were also a successful professional fighter you're not just a regular hater no you're just a dude watching i'm a special kind of hater you're a successful former fighter who fought many different organizations like for you to be rooting on somebody it seems feels different to me it's okay okay i'm glad i got the stamp of approval if he just doesn't feel i get it you like a style i mean who doesn't like knockouts right who the fuck doesn't like knockouts everybody

loves it gotta love it man like jeremy stevens is a guy i love to watch fight right um like when i was fighting him that's a different story but like watching him fight Yes I want to see that Every time But then when I'm fighting him I want you to root for me Yes You know what I mean He had a terrifying style Still has a terrifying style He's just do or die

If Jeremy connects It's over He can be fucksville And he carries that power deep Deep into a fight Yeah You know Remember when he was young

And he fought RDA Yes Yeah That uppercut Yeah That was a That was a. That uppercut? Yeah. That was a highlight reel uppercut for a long time. Did you see the Usman fight? RDA and Usman?

I saw the end of it. Dude. The last round. Usman's a motherfucker. Usman's dangerous. I was a Bellator. I was a Bellator with Schilling and Bamba. Did you see Schilling's fight?

Schilling looked great. Right? He looked great. Man? He looked great. Man. He looks like a completely different guy. We were in the dressing room warming up. He's warming up and he's hitting mitts. And my first thought was, yeah, he looks like he's ready to defend some takedowns.

He's sitting low. He's more comfortable. Yeah, he's... He's a different dude. He's very different. He's got to that point where you um it's not it's not uncomfortable to wrestle like he didn't know what to do for a long time and i've been gone for a while i came back and he was he was out there with cowboy and mickey and and

and jafar even here and those guys really helped him and um i'm rolling with him and i'm like oh this is a different character now yeah you know i'm like this is not gonna be easy i better get my i better tap him now while i can you know well he's a world-class kickboxer so and when it comes to the stand-up game he's gonna have an advantage over almost everybody as long as he can defend takedowns and as long as he fights smart you know if he doesn't fight recklessly which is you know he has in the the past. That Japanese fellow that knocked him out twice. Yes. What's that guy's name? Kakuna?

No, that's not his name. I'm horrible with Japanese names because they all sound the same. That guy's a beast, though. That guy hits fucking hard. Joe hits hard. Joe does hit hard. Joe hits hard. Asaki Kato.

Asaki Kato, yeah. That guy is a beast, though. That guy fought in MMA and then fought in kickboxing. I mean, that's what a beast that guy is. And he's not really a kickboxer as much as he is an MMA fighter. But Joe is turning into an MMA fighter. You saw his hips? For sure.

You saw him sprawl? Yeah, dude, everything. And on top, he secured top position, held him. Ground and pound was ferocious. Kind of good fishes, ground and pound, right? Real stri position held him ground and pound was kind of good fishes real strikers real strikers have horrific ground yeah because they just can generate so much more power from the top this is terrifying you know yeah now he knows how to how to control his hips when he's on the ground yeah it's just a different story i want to see um i want to see where he goes now he's like it's weird because now he's like a prospect in a different way.

Yeah. You know? Yeah. Well, he just needed to fix that one piece of his game. And he fixed that one piece of his game, the grappling and the takedown defenses. I want to see Joe get to the point where he's completely comfortable on the ground. He's close to it. But like, and two or three years down the road, him and Stylebender.

Right? Stylebender. Right? Stylebender's a special kind of dude. Yeah, he is. He's a special kind of dude. That Derek Brunson fight showed it. It's like, this is a special kind of dude. I like that kid. He's, yeah, he's fun to watch, man.

He's slick. Yeah. He's slick. He's fighting Anderson next. I don't like that. For Anderson? Yeah. Yeah. I don't like that. For Anderson? Yeah. I don't like these fights where, like, I didn't like Yair and BJ.

Right. I don't like these fights where, like, these guys who've done so much for the game are kind of getting fed to the wolves in their twilight. But every now and then, you get a Shogun Tyson Pedro fight, which the fucking old lion roars again. Right? Did you see that fight I missed all the UFC fights This weekend Damn Because of Bellator

And the boxing match Shogun Returned from adversity too I heard He got hit hard in that fight He got staggered And fucked up And Tyson poured it on

But couldn't keep it up And then Shogun got him to the ground Smashed him up a bit Got him standing up Hit him with a big right hand At the end of the fight Dropped him And then beat the fuck Out of him on the ground, smashed him up a bit, got him standing up, hit him with a big right hand at the end of the fight, dropped him, and then beat the fuck out of him on the ground. It was, for me, when I saw that fight announced, Tyson Pedro versus Shogun, I was like, damn,

Shogun's got another hard fight. It's hard watching Shogun get knocked out a bunch of times. But he won, and he won in a big way, and he won in a war. It was a war. He's still a fucking badass How is Shogun still so goddamn aggressive to like he's not slowed down It was like real frantic and aggressive and it was awesome. That's that's this thing inside you right? You can't get rid of that well some dudes

They lose a bit of it when they take too much punishment there They lose some of the ferocity or some of the enthusiasm or whatever the fuck it is. But one of the things I was watching that fight, I was like, God damn, Shogun's ferocious. Still ferocious. Just everything about it. Like, ah, when he had the dude hurt, he was fucking pouring it on. But he was pouring it on in a demonic way. Yeah.

Like a monster. Like he was enjoying it. Like he was Shogun. Yeah. Like the Shogun of old, man. Yeah. This is it. Yeah he was enjoying it. Like he was Shogun. Yeah. Like the Shogun of old, man. Yeah. This is it. Yeah, this is it.

I mean, he fought really well, too. Like his ground game was real solid. His ground and pound was real solid. But it was also like his, the exchanges, he would be, when he would find openings, he was frantic and like real aggressive. Yeah. It was an awesome fight, man. Yeah, man. I had to fight past this. Yeah. It was an awesome fight, man. Yeah, man.

I had to fight past this. Yeah, it was an FS1 thing. I don't know. When did they put those FS1 fights on Fight Pass? I think it's like a month. Is that what it is? I think. Go further ahead of this

because this is a long period where Tyson was trying to secure Kimura. You don't go overseas, right? Not anymore, son. No, those would cripple me, man. Those fucking overseas things. There's where you drop them with the right hand. Yeah.

They would wreck me for a week and a half afterwards. I'd be exhausted. Yeah. Fly to fucking Brazil or fly to Australia is the worst. That's what I was going to say. I was like, Brazil, isn't that just like north-south pretty much? It is, but it's still 16 hours on a plane. Really?

Yeah. Yeah, you got to fly to Miami, and then you got to fly 10 more hours to Rio. It's 10 hours from Miami to Rio? Yeah. Yeah. I didn't realize it was that far. South America, son.

It's a whole other country. It's a different continent. I loved being there I hated getting there I hated going home I hated how I felt afterwards And I'm just too busy It's just too

It's too costly for me Financially To take that much time off And it's also It's just too hard For me physically You know So

If They compensated you For the time It's still Physically Nope That's that Fuck you money joke Yeah Fuck you They compensated you for the time. It's still physically. Nope. That's over.

That's that fuck you money, Joe. Fuck you. But you know what the other problem is, man? This fucking TV and watching it on Fight Pass or doing Fight Companions, you know? Yeah. Those Fight Companions are the shit. Yeah. Those are fine.

I did that one with you and Joe. Yeah, we did one for Glory. Yeah. We got to do another one. Definitely. Do one for UFC. Yes. Yes. Yeah, we did one for Glory. Yeah, we got to do another one. Definitely. Do one for UFC. Yes, yes. Yeah, let's pick one.

You know what? Where are you going to be for New Year's? I'm going to be on vacation. Oh, okay. Well, I was going to say, man, if you're here, do a fight companion for the PFL finals. Oh, for PFL. Yeah, so tell me about PFL. So you're doing commentary for the PFL? Commentary and telestrator.

And who else is doing it with you? Randy and Boss. Randy and Boss. What a combination. Right? What a fucking combination. When I got that call and they were like, yeah, and the team is going to be you, Randy and Boss. I'm like, wait, you just put my name in the same sentence with those dudes as equals?

And it's like, for me, I get some fight fans maybe thinking, yeah, that makes sense. But for me, I'm like, these are guys I looked up to. And now I get to hang out with them and we're having a drink at the bar. That's pretty amazing. But listen, dude, you're a really good commentator. Thank you, man. You're a really good analyst, too. I loved watching you in the Fox desk.

I loved the way you break down things You know what one of the cool things about that desk is you'll have like a Michael Bisping or you have Tyron or you know Kenny Florian whoever it is Everyone's got their own idea of how to fight and what what what's important and what they think is gonna be a problem in Right, like that's such a great move to have these ex fighters and continue to you know Ten Cormier is always doing it continue to have them you know explaining from their own experience yeah yeah that's um that was the first thing for me because I didn't I was like I don't know what I'm doing you know I have no idea what it is that I'm doing but it's just talking about fights and it's so much fun to be doing it with

with guys that are on that same level like like because you know you're at home you probably do it when when when you're at home and you're not doing a fight companion you're watching fights or maybe some friends around they ask you things about fights and you're like you have to explain it to people who don't understand but when you're having a conversation with somebody who knows what's going on and then you can especially when you come to a point where you disagree yeah because you have you have strong opinions why, and you have strong arguments as to why you're right and why the other guy's wrong. And I don't know. I love those moments, man.

I love having those things, especially being able to do that with guys who know what they're talking about. Oh, it makes it so much more fun. When you're doing it with guys who know what they're talking about, one of the cool things about Fight Companion is that we're,

except when Brian Cowan starts talking. Just kidding. Just kidding, Brian. Just kidding. But when you're doing it, like everybody's got their own opinion of how something could go down or what's going to be a problem. A lot of times you agree, you know, like the Till-Tyron Woodley fight. Well, Till's chance is standing up.

That's it. And, you know, if I was Tyron, I'd take him to the ground. I mean, Tyron's a far better wrestler, far much more experienced. But like there's some fights where you're like, man, here's one, this weekend. Brian Ortega, Max Holloway. Who the fuck knows how that's going to go? I've bounced that one around

my head and people have come up to me on the street like, hey man, who's going to win this fight this weekend? Especially Hawaiians. Hawaiians are super excited for Max Holloway to win again. I mean, he's the new BJ Penn, right? It may be a different level. Max Holloway to win again. I mean, he's the new BJ Penn, right? Man. It may be a different level.

Max Holloway's a motherfucker. That's one of those fights, yeah, it's very hard to pick. Was that even? Like, it's pretty even? It's got to be. I mean, let's see what the Vegas odds are. By the way, I love the fact that you can actually gamble on fights now online. Like, it's legal, basically, right?

You can kind of do it, right? If you were a fighter, would you mind on yourself? Depending on the state you're in. Too much pressure. I wouldn't want to think about it. Unless I knew. Unless the guy was a fucking asshole. And he's like, I'm going to go smash this dude. It's very close.

They're both minus 105, minus 125, which would be Holloway as the favorite. Slight favorite. That makes sense. That makes sense. That should be how it is. Slight favorite because he's the champion. You know what's interesting?

What Holloway said, he goes, it's kind of weird when the new thing is older than the current thing. Because it's like, I'm younger, man. I'm the fucking champ. I beat Aldo. I beat all these dudes. I'm younger, and yet this guy is the new thing coming up to challenge me. It's like, motherfucker, I'm the younger fighter. It's kind of funny. Yeah, I mean, we haven't seen something like Ortega a little bit

in the featherweight division. Guy submitting, like, only submissions off to, like the one with Cub. Yeah. You know? I think that was beautiful. Like he readjusted on that guillotine too. That's probably the hardest submission to readjust. You know?

One hand hanging on, readjusting, and then still sinking it in against Cub Swanson. It's not like Brandon Bishop or whoever. It's Cub Swanson. You know what I mean? That's crazy, man. Well, he's a direct lineage, right? He's real Gracie jiu-jitsu. He is Henner and Heron.

He comes from Horion. That school, I mean, this is where Brian Ortega comes from. He's direct from those mats. And his technique is like razor blade. It's so sharp. It's so sharp and precise and so honed and just through drills and a constant emphasis on proper leverage and position. I mean, they're sticklers to that old style of jiu-jitsu.

And some people, there's an unfortunate word that people like to use that sometimes pisses people off like viddy magalese used this to describe minotauro and he didn't mean it in a negative way but he meant the basics he's like his jiu-jitsu is very basic he and people go fuck you my just jiu-jitsu is basic yeah but the basic is like the best the fundamentals but these there's guys that have those basics like haja gracie his jiu-jitsu is he's mostly the basics he's not doing any crazy de la jiva shit or anything that you've never seen before like what was that yeah he's not doing anything we never saw it before it's strict you know guard pass smashing on top triangle triangle, mount, arm triangle, arm bar. Everything he does is classic jiu-jitsu.

But it's just so perfect. Everything, the leverage and the weight and the emphasis on certain positions over others. It's all like basic classic jiu-jitsu. And that's Brian Ortega. His jiu-jitsu is just so rock solid fundamentals. He's all about fundamentals though. Yeah. His jiu-jitsu is just so rock-solid fundamentals, you know? He's all about fundamentals, though. Yeah, man.

Even his boxing's not—I don't believe he's as good a boxer as Max, but he's fundamentally sound, strong, and direct with his boxing. I mean, look, he knocked out Frankie. He knocked out Frankie. He submitted Moikano, who I think is one of the dark horses in that division. Yeah. Renato Moikano is a fucking beast, man. He's so good. frankie he submitted moicano who i think is one of the dark horses in that division yeah and i thought moicano is a fucking beast man he's so good mike brown has nothing but praise for him man he's like that kid is legit he's he's gonna challenge for that title i believe that i believe

that and he's super like respectful and intelligent and like everything about him i like i love his his approach the way he fights. And in that fight, Holloway, or excuse me, Ortega made him shoot because he was beating him standing up. And he shot and Ortega's like,

thank you. Clink. That guillotine is just a death grip. He's just got a vice. Just clamps down on your fucking life. Yeah, man.

There's no room. I gotta put you to sleep. There's no room. There's no room.'s no room you're going to sleep or you're going to tap and he's a big kid he's like my size he's big he's a big he's big max is big too there max is huge max was 185 when they told him about the the the fight the the horrible thing about that fight was that he lost all that weight really rapidly for no reason. And then they wound up pulling him out of the fight.

The commission was like, fuck this. You can't fight. And a lot of us at the time were like, why is the commission telling a champion whether or not he can make weight? Let him try to make weight. Get the fuck out of there. You don't know what you're doing. But then you find out after that that when when he was preparing for the the first fight with ortega and he was experiencing these weird concussion like symptoms symptoms but they said

he didn't have a concussion and then people say no this is weight loss this is rapid weight cutting his body is responding to the fact that he just went through this and now he's trying to do it again and his body's rejecting it so this is a bunch of theories there's not they're not giving us a whole lot of information about exactly what's wrong with him medically or what was wrong whether they know it or not i don't know right but even ortega has been saying all week like what the fuck was wrong with him why not how come they're not telling us like what if it happens again like ortega's got to be thinking right now here we we are today. It's Wednesday. Tomorrow's Thursday. The weigh-in's Friday.

He only got a couple of days. Like, we don't know whether or not this is even actually going to happen, right? Right. Like, what if it gets down to Thursday and Friday, and he's in the middle of the weight cut, and he starts blacking out, or he starts experiencing those symptoms again. They pull him out of the card. Moikano's on standby, you know. I did not know that.

Yeah. He's on standby for this fight. That, yeah, see, and then it becomes an interim title? It must. It has to. It can't be. They're not going to strip him. But then what happens?

I mean, a guy like Max, I don't know. It's one of those situations where it's like, if that happens multiple times, what do you have to do? Can you continue to fight? How much longer can you continue to fight at that weight? I don't think he can continue to fight at that weight? I don't think he can continue to fight at that weight very much longer

because I think he severely compromises himself getting down to 45 but he's been able to do it because he's a champion but and I think if you do have like a George Lockhart

in your corner a guy that gets you to do it scientifically and then rehydrate yourself scientifically it can be done and you can pull it off

and 24 hours later you can fight at a very high level. But is that the way to go? I mean, your kidneys start breaking down. Your body starts getting beat up. I mean, your organs don't want to get dried out like that. Your brain doesn't want to get dried out like that. Your muscles don't want to get dried out like that. There's just no way you perform at your best when you're just at death's door 24 hours ago and now here you're fighting again.

Yeah. I mean, Frankie, when he was fighting at lightweight, that kind of shows you that you can be the smaller guy and do well. But it's weird because now Frankie set a bar. And now guys reach that bar. so Frankie had to change weight classes. It's a weird thing. I mean, it's the fight game. You try to get the best out of yourself, and you try to get the biggest advantage that you can, so the weight cut's going to always be an issue unless the weight classes are changed and or weigh-ins become same day.

Well, Josh Thompson just said recently that he thinks that the UFC is getting rid of the 125-pound division. They're going to put on a 165-pound division, which I think is very interesting. If they do do a 165, I would like them to switch 170 to 175. I think that would be wise. I don't think it's wise to have a 65 and a 75, but I do think a 65 and a 75 is great. Right. Yeah, I agree.

10 pounds. 10 pounds is good across the board. I think across the board. I think we had every 10 pounds a weight class. I mean, a lot of people don't like the boxing thing. There's so many champions and so many weight classes, but who fucking cares? Who cares? Who cares that there's a welterweight and then a super welterweight?

Right. Who cares that it's only Seven pounds difference This is more fights It's more fights It's more champions It's more champion Versus champion I mean

Don't you want to see that I want to see that I want to see Yeah I want to see The best and the best You know what I mean We're getting We're getting some of the

Best of the best right now You get the number Let's say Kevin Lee Right Kevin Lee could be 165 pound champion Yes But

And probably that's his Weight class too really He probably struggles To make 155 He's a big fella He's a big dude But then Kevin Lee, right? Kevin Lee could be a 165-pound champion. Yes. And probably that's his weight class, too, really. He probably struggles to make 155. He's a big fella. He's a big dude. But then he can't do it anymore. But Tyron wrestled at 165. Imagine if he was still that age and he could fight at 165.

I bet Tyron can make 65. I bet Tyron can make 65. I think he can make 65. I definitely think he could fight at 75 and be at his best. And I think he could also fight at 85. I think Tyron has legitimate potential to be a three-division champion. He should start rallying for that 65-pound weight class. Nobody listens to me anymore, man.

If they listened to me, Melvin Manhoef would have been in the UFC back in 2002. They listen to me sometimes. I think they listen to me with Ben Askren. I'm going to go on record and I'm going to say I'm a big reason why Ben Askren got in the UFC. I brokered a meeting between him and Dana White. Okay. Dude, I put it together. I called Dana.

I said, look, he's a good guy, man. He's talking shit, but everybody talks shit. Like, come on. I'm like, the guy's undefeated. And he was like, when Ambien wants to go to sleep, it takes Ben Askren. And I'm like, when Ambien wants to go to sleep, it takes Ben Askren. And I'm like, it's fighting. See, the thing about fighting is it's not a matter of what's exciting to watch. For a person like you, a person like me, who's like sitting by, how is this going to play out?

I want to see. What's going to work? What works? Yeah, I get that. Yeah, I want to see what works. When I see a guy like Ben Ask that yeah i want to see what works when i see a guy like ben askren i want to see what works well he's a three to one favorite over robbie lawler holy shit that's crazy they just added another fight to this card listen man you can't sleep on robbie fucking lawler don't sleep on robbie lawler that's crazy. That's crazy. 3-1?

3-1 is horrible. Robbie Lawler can wrestle. Robbie Lawler has been shutting people's lights out since the fucking early 2000s. So that's a decent bet then? It's a fucking very good bet. I would take the Robbie Lawler bet. 3-1? 100 to make 300?

It's plus 230. So you'd win 230. So you'd have to bet 3, he's a three to one. So you'd have to bet three to win one on Askren. Right, correct. Yeah, I'd take that bet. It's a good bet, but I like Askren's chances because I think that wrestling's just on another level.

That's the fight. Here's the fight. 165, Khabib, Ben Askren. Boom! Woo! I guess Ben can make 65. 165 Khabib Ben Askren Boom Woo I guess Ben can make 65 100% he can make 65 100%

100% He wants to make 65 Cause he's good friends with Tyron And he's like I'll be the 65 pound champ Tyron be the 70 or 75 Whatever they decide to go with That's the fight man

Khabib versus Ben Askren Cause I'm telling you man Ben Askren They just put his face On the camera the other day while he was in the crowd, and the audience went crazy. He hasn't even fought in the UFC, and they love him. Yeah. Real fight fans know who that guy is. They know who he is now.

They know who he is now. It's like he's been building momentum. The hardcore fans absolutely are excited that finally this undefeated phenom of a wrestler is fighting in the UFC. Yeah. I would pay money to watch him. Fuck yeah. For sure. Fuck yeah.

A lot of money. Woo! I'll fly to Russia for that fight. You think that's where they'll have it? Fuck, I don't know, man. I'm going to fly to Russia. And commentate that fight? Yeah.

And as soon as I get to my hotel room, I'm going to have one of them things that checks for bugs. I'm going to have one of them things that checks for bugs. I'm going to check for hidden cameras. You got to rush, man. You check for Putin. What's that? It's going to light up like a Christmas tree. Yeah, it probably would, right?

The whole house is a fucking bug. Yeah, man. I think that's a fight that I'm very, very excited about. Because right now, Khabib, the number one fight for Khabib, I believe, is Tony Ferguson. I think that's a big fight, giant fight. I'm real excited about that. I like that. I heard rumors, and I've spoken to Dustin, of that whole Tony and Khabib, Dustin and

Conor winners fight each other. I heard that too, but here's the cynical part of me. I know that Nate Diaz was supposed to be fighting Dustin, but Dustin had to pull out with a hip injury. So I'm like, okay, well, how bad is his hip injury and when is that going to heal up? And is it going to heal up? Or is it going to be a reoccurring thing?

And them saying that Dustin is going to step in and he's going to fight Conor, that is a good fight, but does that make Nate Diaz go, what? And does that make Nate Diaz come back to the bargaining table? And then they have a, because that's the big money fight.

The big money. If I was a promoter, I'm not a promoter. If I was a promoter, I'd be like, Nate, what do we got to do? We got to get weed. We got to get girls.

What do we got to do? You want a new bike? What the fuck do I got to do? What do we got to do? We got to do we gotta do You want a new bike What the fuck do I gotta do What do we gotta do You wanna deliver some weed We'll have a girl Deliver weed on a new bike Like for real Like if you wanted

To make money And that's what I presume They all wanna do The reason why they wanna have Brock Lesnar fight DC Is cause they wanna make A shit ton of money Right

Nate Mother Fucking Diaz You wanna make money right? Nate motherfucking Diaz. You want to make money? You call Nate motherfucking Diaz. Go party with him. Become his good friend.

Lighten him up. Give him what he wants. Give him a lot of money. That's a good fight. I mean, we saw it twice. It's not just a good fight. It's a gigantic fan fan friendly spectacle of an experience nate diaz doesn't take any bullshit you can't trash talk him it doesn't work yeah

exactly it doesn't work it works the opposite way it works the opposite way like when connor shit talked nate nate was like fuck you and i was like what like it didn't work i ain't gonna lie man one of my favorite nate fights was him and him and cowboy And I was like, what? Like, it didn't work. I ain't going to lie, man. One of my favorite Nate fights was him and Cowboy. Oh, that was a great fight. Right? He got in Cowboy's head. He did. That was a good lesson for Cowboy, though.

It was an important fight for him in terms of the path of his career. Yeah. You know? Yeah, he grew some from that. Yeah. But that third round, Nate standing there flipping him the bird. How good did Cowboy look against Mike Perry? Holy shit. It's a new Cowboy look against Mike Perry Holy shit

It's a new Cowboy He looked different man Everything looked smooth Like a god damn executioner I heard rumors of that too I heard rumors of Cowboy and Conor That's a fight that I would make I would make that fight

That's a fucking exciting fight And that's also a big sell You could sell the shit out of that fight That's a fight that's a fucking exciting fight and that's also a big sell you could sell the shit out of that fight that's a big fight oh but but connor or excuse me cowboy has not been fighting at 55 you know he's been doing majority of his fights um that's another 165 yeah how many fights he fought till he's fought masvidal. Those are all 70s. They're all 70 fights. Yeah. Perry.

Yeah. There's only those three or was there another one? Leon. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Leon Edwards. Yeah. So that's – those are all 70s.

Yeah. I don't think he's fought 55 in quite a while. No. I think he can still make it though. It's not a big 70. Yeah. I think he was talking about going back to 55 didn't he say something about that and you know and if they do have a 65 pound weight class i mean

that's where he sits for real i'm just there's a lot of great fights at 65 cowboy and kevin lee dude anybody in kevin lee yeah kevin lee's a beast man he's something special yeah. I think Kevin Lee's one of those dudes you don't see him fight for six months, and then he gets in there and you've got a whole different animal in front of you. You've got a guy with new skills, new momentum, new experience. He's just in that, I think he's 25 right now. He's in that peak, prime, learning, growing, confidence part of his career where he's just a monster right now. I don't know, man.

Those guys are so much bigger than the guys from my day. I know. At 55? Yeah. Kevin walks around 190 pounds. He's a big guy. I'm retired. I'm retired.

I'm no longer in this. I don't worry about my weight as much, and I stand next to these guys, and they're still bigger than me. Yeah. It's like, how is that? Why is that? Well, you know what's the craziest? DC.

Yeah. You stand next to DC, he's like 5'10". Yeah. 5'10". And you're like, he could be a middleweight. He could be a middleweight. Picks up heavyweights, tosses them around, slams dudes. You know?

I mean, when you see him with Derrick Lewis, you're like, Derrick has no business being in there with this dude. And Derrick is a legit 265 murderer. Knockout puncher from hell. And no business being in there with DC. Nope. But then you saw that guy win. DC's training partner at the Affliction. Not Affliction.

At the Tito Chuck fight. Oh. He fought Tom Lawler. Oh, I didn't see that fight. Oh. Yeah, he's like 5'6". Really? Yeah.

5'6", 205. What is he, 85 or 205? 205. Really? Yeah. 5'6"? Yeah. Who is he?

I forget his first name. Wynn is his last name. He fought Tom Lawler. He trains in D.C. D.C. is like, yeah, this guy takes me down. What? Yeah, he's a good wrestler. But it's funny because he sprawled on Tom Lawler, but he's on his feet.

Like he's standing, but he sprawled. Tom Lawler is on his knees. Like on his knees upright. Wow. And this kid sprawled. Yeah, I guess I'm old in here. This kid sprawled on his head. Yeah.

But he can box too. He's little. He's getting sprawled on his head. Yeah. But he can box, too. He's little. He looks a little awkward. He looks like a guy, you're in a Walmart parking lot, you talk shit to him because he's little. Yeah. He'll fuck you up. Do you remember Dwight Muhammad Kawi? No.

He used to be Dwight Braxton. He was the light heavyweight champion way back in the day. And then he fought Evander holyfield as a cruiserweight and uh kawi was 195 he was 5'7 he was just a tank of a man and he would come at you like this just real low he would get even lower he was a tough tough guy man just and real thick like you didn't see many dudes that were that thick back then. And he would wear his trunks way up high, so you'd have, like, this much body to hit, and it was all just jacked.

It's like the strike zone. Yeah. Yeah, he's making it smaller. He was one of the first big tests for Evander Holyfield. Yeah. Dwight Muhammad Kawi from Camden, New Jersey, the Camden Buzzsaw. That feels like I've heard of that, but I don't remember anything.

I feel like I've heard the name and everything. Holyfield versus Kawi. Kawi, you spell it with a Q. You talk about that, man. Q-A-W-I, I think. How do you spell Kawi? Is that it? Q-A-W-I.

Yeah, I found the other guy too. It's Darren Wynn. How do you have a Q with no U? Different language. Yeah, what is that? Q-A-W-I? Yeah, I found the other guy too. It's Darren Wynn. How do you have a Q with no U? Different language. Yeah, what is that? Q-A-W-I. It's an English rule. Qua.

Yeah, Q always has a U, right? In English, yeah. Yeah. Doesn't it? You want to see the K? Yeah. What if you start with a Q? See if you get into that.

Yeah, see, this is, he would fight real low. He was just a tank of a dude. Yeah. And he was all bobbing and weaving and always ducking under. And big punches. And this is Evander Holyfield fresh out of the Olympics. He had had a few boxing matches, but wasn't the Evander Holyfield that we think of when he won the heavyweight title.

This was also before he started training with Mackie Shillstone. Mackie Shillstone put a lot of muscle on him, made him a lot bigger. He was a 195 pounder back then. See how much thinner he is? This is the style of Kawee, that bobbing and weaving style. See how Evander's having a hard time hitting him.

You move your head to protect your body when you're that small. And he was giving you all forehead, and it was a big old bald forehead, too. So he's just like coming at you all forehead first. Just a real skillful old school boxer, though. And them socks, old school stripes, stripes on the calf. Pulled they up. All the way up up I used to love Watching these old

Boxing matches This is something I really miss man That boxing used to be On TV Wide world of sports Yeah You know

They're showing Actually Lomachenko Like the best of Lomachenko Too last night On ESPN too Like at Well he fights on ESPN Yeah

You know ESPN Is doing some serious World championship fights ESPN has really Ste You know, ESPN is doing some serious world championship fights. ESPN has really stepped up, especially now that HBO has gotten out of the game. I mean, it's in a precarious situation. I don't know why HBO

decided to get out of the boxing game. It's kind of crazy to me. Yeah. And after all those years of covering the greatest fights ever, HBO decided to just pull out. Yeah, I know.

The guy that started that, or not started, but the guy who's like the pay-per-view model creator, Mark Taffet, he left. And I don't know if that had something to do with it. I'd imagine it has to be a profitability thing. I think that's the only thing that makes sense. Yeah. It has to be that they were losing money.

I mean, you've got to think the production is huge, right? You've got all these cameras and all this thing, and they're there live. They've got to get the trucks, the production trucks. Live sports is probably an extremely expensive thing to pull off. Yeah. Yeah, it makes sense. But they were the best at it. Lampley and Kellerman.

I mean, fucking commentary. Roy Jones Jr. doing commentary with them sometimes. Andre Ward. They had some of the best fights ever, the best team ever. I like Roy Jones Jr. I loved Roy Jones Jr. I'm trying to get him in here too. Shit.

Do you know what's happening with him? Michael B. Jordan's talking about how he could box Roy Jones. Isn't that hilarious? I love your reaction. It's hilarious. Yes yes that's funny i love i love a cocky like robust young man who's delusional i love it yeah you gotta add that caveat i mean he's a fucking beast if you look at his body right right michael jordan is just just jacked full six-pack built like a greek god but son stop it creed's a movie it's a movie man i know you felt good hitting

those pads i know you look good look at him roy jones jr will light you up like a christmas tree in time why is dennis rodman in this quarter i don't think that's denn Rodman in this quarter. I don't think that's Dennis Rodman. I know. Like it's his brother. He looks just like him. I mean, he's jacked for sure. He looks good. But listen, it would be a terrible disaster. Check out my segway. Like if he thinks he's that tough, he should come fight in PFL for a million dollars. So what is the deal with PFL and the million dollar thing?

Is it for each individual weight class? Yes. A million dollars? Yeah. So on New Year's Eve, there's a $10 million prize pool. All the winners, the six winners of their championship fights get a million dollars. Wow. So three fights for a million dollars because of the playoffs fights, right?

The playoffs are cool too, though, because once you make the playoff, if you lose in the quarters, it's guaranteed 50. If you lose in the semis, that's 100. And then the finals are the winner gets a million, the loser 200. Still good. Still good money, right? I'm happy to see how good Vinny's doing. Vinny Magalhães is a beast. He's a completely different guy, man.

He is. He always had some of the best jiu-jitsu you're ever going to see in MMA, period. But then his striking wasn't up to par, but now it is. His striking was good. I mean, he won two fights because of his striking, one with strikes and one by setting it up with his striking, you know. Vinny, he's really working at it. He says he claims to be training four times a day for this,

and he looked that way. He didn't get out of the first round. Like, each fight got longer. And the longest fight was like 2 minutes 33 seconds or something like that for Vinny. His jiu-jitsu is on another level. Vinny Magalhaes is one of them. Just forget about MMA. He's one of the best in his weight class on the planet Earth in jiu-jitsu.

I mean, he's a monster. Do you ever see when he fly an armbar at Pei de Pano? No. Dude. Dude, when you fly an armbar, armbar at Pei de Pano? No. Dude. Dude, when you fly an armbar, a world champion like Pei de Pano, I mean, Vinny just, they tie up and Vinny just throws his 220-pound body up in the air and snatches his arm out of nowhere, flips him over on his back, and Pei de Pano tapped out. He was like, fuck!

Vinny's a ninja. He's a bad motherfucker, dude. Yeah, his jiu-jitsu is really on. That's, I think that that is the fight that I'm,

the second fight that I'm looking to the most for the finals. Then that Ray Cooper III. Dude. He's another one. 5'7". Yeah.

Hay makers. Vicious. Why did they make Jake Shields fight that dude again? It's just how it played out. That's crazy how it played out that's crazy being the number eight seed right smashed by by ray and then he's got to fight him again yeah and it's like he didn't have much time in between them to improve right and five months not even five months four months it was like let me see the first one happened in like July. The second one was October.

July, August, September, three months, yeah. How crazy is it that Jake fought his dad? Jake fought his dad 14 years ago. And then when they were scheduled to fight the first time, Jake is the favorite. Because we know who Jake Shields is. We don't know who Ray Cooper III is. We don't know. State champion wrestler.

Haymakers. It's like a truck. Dude. I mean, he's just a tank of a man. And when you see him in there, he doesn't look as small as, like, when I stand next to him and talk to him, it's like he's a short, stocky guy. Yeah. But then when he's in there against Jake Shields, I don't know, that persona, that attitude,

that personality, he's coming forward, and Jake's backing up, and it makes him look bigger than he is. Well, he's only 5'7", but Jesus fucking Christ, he hits so hard yeah he's terrifying and he's got crisp technique like it's not just like throwing wide looping fucking ridiculous punches like ricardo mayorga or some shit that if they hit you you're fucked no he's throwing everything with great technique he's a monster i i i monster. I mean, he's been my biggest favorite this season, like just watching. Well, he's unquestionably world class, and so is Vinny, and that's one of the more interesting things about today's climate. I feel like with Bellator, with the PFL, absolutely with 1FC,

you have world class fighters in many organizations. It's not just the UFC. And these guys can all come over and compete. Essentially at the top of the heap right now, and basically you've got Lance Palmer. You've got these guys in almost every organization that I feel like can compete with the best in the world in any organization. It's getting pretty even now, much more so than it was four or five years ago.

Yeah, it's weird, though, because all of these more so than it was four or five years ago yeah it's weird though because all of these things happened in the past we had pride we had strike force you know the wec and then those things got absorbed yeah right and then all the best guys ended up in the ufc and it's like well all the best guys are here now and like now these other organizations one was still around and one was always not a threat but always always had quality quality fighters you know now we know that the know that there's some really legit guys over at one. Then we got Askren coming over. Now the PFL's starting up.

Guys like Vinny, his career, he's a different guy now. I think he can compete with anybody at 205. Exactly. I really do. It's a very different story for a lot of guys. But now what happens when when these guys in the ufc the number eighth rank heavyweight in the ufc sees a guy make a million dollars and he's like i would and he's and he's thinking himself i'll fuck that guy up

i love it it's good it's good for everybody yeah good for everybody. Yeah. Competition is great for the sport. It's great for the athletes. It's great for the organizations because the organizations, whether they like it or not, it's going to make them pick up their game. Yes. It's going to make them step up. Some people don't like to pick up their game, Joe. Some people like to be comfortable.

They just like to be comfortable. That is not life. That is not. That is not life. No, it's not. Life is pick up your game. Man, there is something I wanted to show you that reminded me of why I need to pick up your game. Man, I got there is something I wanted to show you that that reminded me of why

I need to pick up my game. I was looking through my phone a couple months ago and I have this video of my dad. I'm going to show it to you. I had to turn this down. But I'm just going to go straight to the end because that's the coolest part. Do you want to send it to Jamie? Yeah, I can do that.

Can you airdrop it to him? I can airdrop it to Jamie. Oh, I love technology. I see young Jamie's MVP. Yeah, that's it. That's it. Bam. There we go.

Jamie, what are you going to call yourself when you hit 50? What's little Wayne going to call himself? Best answer ever. I didn't name myself. You did. That's right. I named you. It's true.

It's a good point. But you got to go forward through some of it. But yeah, just reminded of some of the things in my life. So what are we going to see? What is this? So my dad danced limbo, right? My dad was the baddest limbo dancer on the planet. Really?

And he did some crazy, crazy stuff. You might need to try it again. It didn't, I think. Oh, probably when I close my phone? Yeah, stop. Okay. There we go. Waiting for Jamie to grab it.

And I'll leave it open. No, my dad used to dance limbo. Limbo's when you go under the stick yes yes and um he i don't want to i don't want to ruin it right but he was the best he used to tell jokes also like 88 oh like the year before he died wow yeah so like i don't know it just reminds me of some of the thing and and people my family anytime I did something that I thought was cool, they would just be like, yeah, so what? Your dad would do that.

It was like, fuck. Like, I could never get out of his shadow. This is your dad? That's my dad. Oh, shit. With fire? Yeah. Damn, how the fuck is he doing that?

That is insane. Dude, that's insane. Yeah, he did this for tons of people. Everybody wanted to see him do this. He did it in front of Mandela. He did it in front of the queen. Look, he's going to go under it there. Yeah.

But it gets better than this. Hold on. Damn. How the fuck is he doing that? You know what kind of core strength that takes? Yeah. Blowing fire. That's insane. But this right here. here now this is where it gets ridiculous this is like i see this and i'm like yeah that's my dad like he's gonna go what so this is on fire folks and this this thing is

i'm not bullshitting and he's got two flaming pizzas in his hands and he's like that that might be what 13 14 inches off the ground and he's going under it that's insane and he's spitting fire while he's doing it holy shit you weren't joking no my dad was a badass that's crazy how crazy is looking at this old vhs footage right digitized it's not that long ago man no and that's a different world and that that that kind of thing my dad kind of i mean i was always with him i used to love being with him you know he's like my best friend i remember i was telling my son this story about him so i had this this thing with my kid and i'm recording this conversation with me and my son and i'm like what would you do if you go back in time and he's like what i was like if you had a time machine you can go

anywhere where would you go he's like i don't know the 1900s if you had a time machine, you can go anywhere. Where would you go? He's like, I don't know, the 1900s. And I'm like, I grew up in the 1900s. What are you talking about? That was like last week. I want to grow up. I want to be in the 90s, Dad. What? And then I told him this story.

I was like, I remember when I was little, my dad used to bring me on stage to do that. I was like four, five years old. No, I was like four years old. And he would pick me up and carry me under the bar, right? And one time he brings me on stage. He like this is my son and he presents me in the spotlights on me and i'm like shy and i'm like oh and he's kind of disappointed you know he's really disappointed me that day and then um a couple weeks later i was with him again he's like i was like daddy can you bring me back on stage and he brings me on stage and um he's about to

pick me up and i'm, and I moonwalk away. And I go back to my seat. And he loved it. He loved it. And I told my son that story. And my dad was like, afterwards, we walked through the hotel to go back. And he has me on his shoulders. And he's just so proud.

He's like, you see my boy? And he's like, you know. I told my son about that. And my son was like, this is like 40 minutes later in the conversation. And my son was like, dad, if I had a time machine, I would go back and hang out with you and your dad wow and i was like that was like that was like the best moment of my life yeah because he didn't get to meet him but it's one of those things man and just just thinking about that kind of thing um kind of makes it inspires me to like to like want to do things where we're you know kids like this is... My dad did that for me, and he made me excited about things,

and now I want to do stuff where I can give something to kids. This is what you're doing with your book? That's what I'm doing with that. My thing is mixed martial arts, right? So this thing, this is the first book, The Talent Quest. So it's about these characters. Did you write all this? So here's the thing.

The concept and the characters came with me. I have a good friend. She's a psychologist and she's in Australia. She wrote this story out. And then we have this girl that does the illustration. She's Nari M. She fights in one. She's fighting this weekend.

Wow. Right? she's uh nari m she fights she fights in one she's fighting this weekend right so like it's all it's all about mixed martial arts and the psychology of it and working on all these different things but we're going to put this whole program together that that's all about teaching kids like discipline self-respect you know self-resilience all of these things and put these stories together with these characters and um it's a whole lot of fun i i have a book for you and beautiful i want i want you to to to enjoy it with with you know with your little ones i will do that thank you man that's awesome so is this available for sale where can people get it so you can get it on amazon and

amazon kate was it kdp i have i have to read the thing in my phone but it's um it will be available we were going to release it on the 15th of december and you can get it by e-book, and you can also get it a printed copy like this. So let me know when it comes out. It's the 15th of December. 15th of December. If you remind me, remind me, and I'll tweet it. Man, that'll be super dope.

When this PFL thing comes out, when is this? It's on New Year's, and it's on nbc sports so what channel was that on look what is nbc sports on direct tv that's one of them weird ones yeah you got to find it yeah yeah if you want to watch the olympics right is that what it's on nbc sports you want to watch curling synchronized taekwondo shit yeah taekwondo yeah well they're gonna do mma they're going to do MMA. They're talking about doing MMA in the Olympics.

In the Olympics, yeah. I heard about that. It's right next to FS1. It's right... FS1 is 219. NBC SN is 220. Nice. So it's great in that channel.

What is NBC's plans for this? Is this like... Obviously, they're spending a lot of money because they're giving a million dollar prize to three different guys. Yeah. Well, the PFL is its own organization because they're giving a million-dollar prize to three different guys. Yeah.

Well, the PFL is its own organization. So it's a partnership with NBC. So the PFL puts the money up for the fighters. NBC does have – there's an influx of money coming in from NBC. But the PFL is in control of all of that. So I don't know what NBC's plans are, know but the pfl has big plans they have a contract with nbc that i believe the contract is up this year but of course they're going to renegotiate you know yeah they're going to work things out um and this is the only mma product that nbc has

mma is hot right now so i don't believe nbc wants to wants to let the pfl go it's the the thing that seems to be the bottleneck with other organizations is the name. It's like, you know, the UFC is like the NFL. Right. It's like got this, it's the biggest name. UFC is ever made to a lot of people. To a lot of people. Yeah.

And then you hear about the PFL. You're like, what's that mean? What's Bellator mean? Right. What does 1FC, what does that mean? It doesn't mean anything. Yeah. It's like it's hard to get.

I think Bellator is making some ground, ground you know because they've been doing plenty of uh television events and paramount network is a big network a lot of people get a chance to see it they've had good ratings but it still hasn't caught fire right the the thing with the pfl yeah the name professional fighters league yeah like you hear pfl you don't know what that means you hear professional fighters league you have an idea what's going on but um it's a good name it's a great name um and it's the name is is representative of what it is you know it's a league we have a regular season so you fight in the regular season you score a certain amount of points you score points by getting finishes you score points by getting finishes in the first round you know you win the fight that's three points you get a finish

in the first that's three additional points second round two points third round one point and then at the end of the regular season the top eight seeds get into the playoffs and you fight by your seed so that's why jake had to fight fight ray cooper again because jake kind of edged into that eight spot and ray cooper was the number one i might want to rework that jake might want to like the um finishing the third round is worth less than the finish in the first that don't make any sense to me yeah it's um because it's a little tougher to finish in the third yeah not only that it's a finish finish is a finish yeah i i i agree but i don't like sometimes it takes a while to finish a guy like like here's a perfect example

say uh you're fighting a guy like uh josh thompson you know back in the day like this is a tough fight right these are two world-class fighters versus you fighting henry smith from fucking albuquerque that nobody knows right it's different if you finish that guy in the first round like yeah you've got to finish in the first round but did you get a finish over a world-class guy if you get a finish of a world-class guy in the third that's worth more. I mean, it's depending upon who you're fighting and what style they are, how resilient they are, how difficult they are to beat.

But then it becomes more subjective when you're talking about the difficulty and matching up styles, and then you're starting to bring the odds into it from like, I guess it wouldn't be betting odds, but similar to betting odds. Yeah. Yeah. You know? So it's one of those things where there is no perfect way, but you take what you have

and do the best of what you can. I get it, but a point, the difference is in two points. Like, you get three points for the first round, but one point if you finish in the third? Yes. Fuck all that. Finish is a finish, man. So bonus points for a in the third fuck all that finish is a finish man so bonus points for finish is what is your finish i i made that argument we we had that conversation is it's like but then again then what do you do how do you get bonus what do you get bonus points

for here's a perfect example how dare you how dare you try to diminish Yair Rodriguez's last second KO of the Korean Zombie. Impossible. He shouldn't get all the points for that? That was crazy. He literally knocked the guy out with one second to go with a no-look elbow. Fuck. I mean, that's all the points. Give him all the points.

That's legit. Yeah, you get so many points for a finish, whether it be first, second, or third round. Finish is a finish. I agree. Because the one difference that we have is in a draw. Like, both guys get one point. I feel that if you, or if it goes to a decision, maybe you should get points. You know?

Maybe you should get a point for surviving, but the winner gets more. And then if you get finished, you get no points, but the finisher gets all the points. Well, it's definitely squirrely. The idea behind it is squirrely. I get what they're doing, but I don't buy it. I buy the fact that you've got to get points Because it's kind of like College wrestling You get team points You get points for a pin

You get four for the pin You get five for the major decision You get three for the decision It's weird And it may be tweaked next year It's hard for people To remember all that shit. That's the thing.

So we're constantly talking about it on air, you know, as the fight's going on. Yeah, but the people listening are drunk. They're like, what the fuck are they talking about? What is the point? They can't do the math. Point for what? Yeah. But it's super cool because it changes sometimes guys attitudes when they're

in there they changes what they do and how they respond in the fight you know um say the fight there was a fight with kyle allen car and mike kyle right both of these guys needed a finish to get into the playoffs either one of those guys gets a finish they get into the playoffs josh copeland's sitting at home hoping that nobody gets a finish. The fight starts and boom, Mike Kyle rocks Kyle Ilencar. And it's like, it looks like he's going to get a first round finish, make it into the playoffs. Kyle Ilencar starts coming back. He gets on

top in the second round. It looks like he's going to get the finish and make it to the playoffs. These guys go to the third. Both guys are gassed now. Nobody finishes. Josh Copeland jumps off his chair at home and he's in the playoffs now. And now he's in the finals Like he was the 8th seed He beat the number 1 seed

Then he beat the number 5 seed by KO Now he's in the finals And he has a chance to make a million dollars The number 8 seed is going in Interesting Okay you just made a good argument for it I'm not sure if I buy it though You buy it Joe

You buy it Why don't they revamp the scoring system? I would not sure if I buy it though. You buy it, Joe. You buy it. Why don't they revamp the scoring system? I would not be surprised if this offseason we do some brainstorming and change a few things. But I don't know if a whole lot is going to be changed. I think a few things will be changed and next season's going to be even better. And to a man, I've heard virtually every high level guy,

every UFC level guy that I've spoken to, they've said to me, are they going to be able to pay that million dollars? When they see that million dollars is real, then I want to see

the reaction to that. That's going to change everything. Once people get that million dollar check, once you see someone, you see Vinny Magalhaes driving around in a Ferrari, in a Rolls Royce. What the fuck?

Look at that motherfucker. I kicked his ass. Yeah. In that Rolls Royce. I know. Yeah. You're going to see Ryan Bader sitting around going, what the fuck?

He's going to be mad. Ryan Bader is another guy who's transformed right yeah he's like a legit heavyweight contender now he looks fucking good man the way he beat mitrione like jesus christ and mitrione mitrione has improved yeah mitrione's improved a lot knocked out fedor i mean come on that's a i mean that's a feather in your cap for the rest of your life. Shoot. I sat next to Fedor, and that's a feather in my cap. I know, right? I was going to go to watch Fedor's fighting Ryan Bader in L.A. They're fighting at the Forum.

But there's a UFC that night. Can't go. I wanted to go see Fedor fight live. Yeah. Never seen him fight live, and I felt like that was a great fight. Him versus Bader, that's a great fight to see live. I've never seen him fight live either. I have a picture of me, Fedor, and Tim Crater.

Really? Tim was fighting, and Fedor was giving me some advice on what to tell Tim. What was he saying? He was just, he's got to stay low and keep him moving because he was fighting Chael. Right. But this was before Chael was Chael.

Right. And he's like, he's a wrestler. And somebody's translating it too. But he's talking to me, he's talking to me, he's talking to me and someone comes along

and translates it. But he's like, he's got to stay low and keep him outside, keep him outside. The guy translating sounds like this. He says,

Fedo says, keep him outside and stay low. Damn. But just having a conversation with that dude and sitting next to him. And he's not that big of a guy. Fedor is not that big of a guy. He's another guy who probably could be a middleweight.

Yeah. Fedor is awesome, though. I mean, if you see some of the middleweights that are in the UFC, like Yoel. Yoel was in your chair, sitting right there, and it looked like somebody dropped a giant iron sculpture of a superhero. It didn't even look like a human. He's so big, dude. He's like 220 plus, just jacked, everything, neck, shoulders, back, just jacked. You're like, that is a heavyweight.

Yeah. If you sit him next to fedor he looks way bigger yeah way bigger than fedor yeah yet he fights at 185 but he's also so jacked and ripped and he's like my age it's incredible like but he's he's not like he like you can be my age and be ripped like i am if i take off my shirt but i want to embarrass you right don't please don't thank you but but like the way he is he's ripped like a 25 year old he's ripped like a bodybuilder yeah yeah right he's the freak of all freaks yeah like he like you see his body in the ring and you go first of all how did he make weight that's what i always think like when even

when he steps on the scale like back before we had the early weigh-ins we had the weigh-ins at the actual time of four o'clock he would step on the scale and make weight you're like how is that 185 pounds? It doesn't even make sense. He looks like he's 200 pounds. Easy. Plus. That same thing happened in the match with Conor and Floyd.

When Conor was getting on the scale, Mayweather's promoter was like, he's not going to make the weight. He's not going to make the weight. But I don't know. There's some guys who, you know, especially MMA guys are bigger than boxers. Yeah. You know? So it's one of those things.

Like, Yoel has that down. He is huge, but that dehydration hits, and that's probably why he sucks. Lockhart talked about it. Yeah, look at the size of that dude. That guy's like 42 years old. He's so big. He's so jacked and unparalleled wrestling skills, too.

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What do we got? What is this? UFC on Fox Oh yeah So that never happened Right? That never happened I don't remember it happening

No, that didn't happen. Yeah, I typed in Rio El versus Fedor, and there was a picture of them matching up. Yeah, that whole 185-pound division is kind of crazy because they're promising if Stylebender fights Anderson, they're saying to Anderson, if you win, you get a title shot. And everybody else in the division is like, what? What?

Yeah. Do you think that that's some trickery to get Anderson to fight Stylebender? That's exactly what I think it is. That's exactly what I think it is. Because did they offer Stylebender a title shot if he beats Anderson? Dan Hooker, I don't believe so. Dan Hooker posted that on his Instagram. I like Hooker, and I just had to say something.

I was just like, look, we know that Style, and my thought was, we know when Style Bender wins this fight. Because I really believe Style Bender is going to win that fight. When he wins this fight, he's not going to get that title shot. And I, for me, as a former fighter and knowing who Anderson is and what he's done for the sport and for the UFC, I'm just like, I feel like that's so disrespectful, if you ask me. That's my opinion. It's an opinion. It's mine, and I stand by it. That, you know, we want to make this young guy a star,

and we're going to sacrifice you to the Wolf to get that done. But Anderson still feels like he can compete at the highest level. Man, we're all going to feel like we can compete If you put enough money in front of me I will I will fuck Khabib up Right? Right?

You put something in front of me that I really want Right Like, that's the thing I give you a goal I give you a time period to train and prepare for it Yeah Anderson's what, 43 now? Yeah.

So that's the thing. He's not outside the realm of possibility. He's the same age as Yoel or close to it. Yoel's at least 40. Yoel's at least, yeah. He's at least 40. He might be 41. I mean, it's not – the problem with –

and then Anderson, when he started failing drug tests, you're like, okay, so he's probably struggling. He's trying to get that edge, you know, trying to recover in training. So he's taking a bunch of weird supplements, and some of them are tainted. I bet you if you go back to – just go back to what you used to do. Go back to what it was you did when you became the anderson silver that everybody loves you know before before he got to the point where like before the forest griffin fight because i believe that's when it started to decline for him yeah he still looked

good and he still still performed well but he got away from from the fundamentals you know um and that forest griffin fight he was able to take forest out without the fundamentals moving his head doing doing these weird things and just popping back um fundamentals are what's the strongest thing in the game for sure that fundamental the forest griffin fight's an interesting example too though because forest had been ko'd twice in training for that fight like he had no business being in there. And he just couldn't take a shot. Which is another thing I want to talk to you about. Tito Chuck. Yeah.

As a guy who's retired, who had an awesome career, and you're watching that, and you're seeing a guy come back at 50 and get stopped like that, what did that do for you? You kind of knew that, well, I felt that Chuck shouldn't be taking that fight. Right. Tito's been competing. Tito's still in there. Yeah.

And then when they stepped in, as soon as they touched up, it's like, yeah, Chuck shouldn't be in here. That's the first time he looked that much smaller than Tito. He didn't look the same size as Tito. He didn't look comfortable. He didn't look as coordinated. Like Chuck was always a little quirky and awkward in his movement, but he didn't even look like Chuck Liddell. He looked like a shell of Chuck Liddell.

Did you ever see him hitting the pads, like recent video of him hitting the pads? No. Did he look terrible? Yeah, see? He said he was just warming up. Like he had talked to Brandon Schaub about it. He says, I always look bad when I'm warming up. But it's not just that.

It looked like his balance was off. I get that. See, if I would have saw that beforehand, I still wouldn't put a whole lot of stock in that because I remember being in a locker room before I fought Hermes Franca the first time in the UFC. And Nick Diaz was in my locker room. And Nick's hitting pads.

And he's about to fight Robbie. And he's hitting pads. And he about to fight Robbie and he's hitting pads and he's like, yeah, I'm going to knock this motherfucker out. Yeah. And I'm like,

not the way he hit nose pads. He didn't look sharp. He didn't look like he had any power and then he went out there and knocked Robbie out. Well, he probably was just

warming up though, right? Like sometimes when guys are warming up, they're just trying to get their body. Yeah. They're not really trying to look like a fighter.

They're not trying to look sharp like they're going to be inside the cage. And yeah, I mean... See if you can find that. Chuck Liddell hitting pads. It's different. It's different because it's like his balance looks off. His coordination looks off. It just doesn't look

good. You know, it just there's a, you know, here it is right here. Take a look at this. Watch this. Yeah. Yeah. Looks like it has no pop, yeah. I mean, it's crazy to watch, right? It just looks like it has no pop yeah yeah i mean it's crazy to watch right

it just looks like let's see how he throws that kick and and leans back afterwards it just looks oh there's a real issue with someone who's had that many chaos you've been that many times like your your brain's been scrambled that many times. Like what is, how is the connection between your muscles and your mind? And goosebumps. Neurologically. Yeah, it makes you uncomfortable, right? Yeah, it does. Like, I mean, and that's Chuck.

Yeah. You know what I mean? One of the greatest of all time. I don't know. I don't, and at 49 also, or 50, that's, there's a point. Yeah. You know, I almost feel like i would do it again for for certain i'm not trying to be a world champion i'm not trying to get to khabib or

dustin and those guys you know um but like joe lozano diego sanchez somebody that's like from the same era yeah at least a part of the era that i was in somebody like that you know somebody i have respect for and it's like it and it's going to be fun. But I'm not. And I guess that's what Tito and Chuck is, but also Chuck, you beat him twice. Yeah. You beat him twice by knockout,

but I think he just felt like he always had Tito's number. But this is the problem, is like Tito wins now. Yeah. Right? The guy who he never wanted to win now wins.

The guy who wouldn't fight him when he was the champ now is the winner. When it all said and done, Tito KO'd him. And he KO'd him more soundly than Chuck ever KO'd Tito. Because when Chuck KO'd Tito, he basically beat him down, and then Tito covered up, but he was conscious. Right.

Like, Tito put Chuck out. He put him out. And, you know, I mean, it was a good shot for sure, but it just seems like you're dealing with a guy whose brains are, you know, it's just he's been scrambled too many times. Yeah. Yeah. Are you surprised that they made that fight?

I am surprised that the commission let the fight happen. Yes, if that's what you mean. Yeah. I'm not surprised that Oscar De La Hoya, Tito ortiz right came together and said let's get chuck to fight me right you know i'm not surprised about that at all um do you know that they said it was only like 25 000 pay-per-view that's what i heard that kind of sucks that's crazy horrible that's so low that must have cost everybody money like i have more Instagram followers than that. It was a hard sell.

And the undercard wasn't so good either. It wasn't like there was a lot of big names on the undercard that's going to draw people in. Where they're going to go, well, it's going to be great fights no matter what. Yeah. The undercard was not that great. No. No. You saw the whole show?

No. Because that's right. You didn't see Derek win. But the undercard was not great. And then the Tito-Chuck fight. I mean, Tito looks like the much better striker, much more accomplished striker in that fight. Tito Ortiz knocked out Chuck Liddell.

That's like a phrase I never thought I would hear, and it'd be real. But isn't it also the case of not just Tito remaining active and staying competitive? That's exactly what it is. It's that, too, but it's also Tito's skills got better. Yeah. They definitely got better. Jason Perrillo is an awesome instructor. I mean, he's a fantastic boxing coach, and he really tightened up Tito's hands and all of his techniques over the course of the years they were together.

And the last time Tito and Chuck fought, iPhones hadn't been invented. Yeah. Think of that shit. You know? No iPhones. People using sidekicks. Remember those? Remember those things?

I remember that. Flip up the keyboard. And everybody thought they were slick. Yeah. That was the last time they fought it's a different and my space was the thing is a different world man it's just um it's just sad to see it go down like that where i mean it would be one thing if it was a good fight if like tito looked like chuck chuck looked like tito because tito looked good yeah chuck did not look good

right they both look good and they put on their best fight and then tito wound up winning good for him but it wasn't that it was one guy was a just a shell shell of himself so what kind of fight for tito or rematch for tito would make sense to to that you think would sell is there is there one tito versus chale will sell a little bit. I mean, he's been calling Chael out saying, I want to kick your ass, but I think that was probably before the pay-per-view numbers came in.

And then they're like, ugh, Oscar. Chael's like, nah. He's probably got 15 voicemails on Oscar's phone. Oscar ain't calling back.

Oscar's just sitting there going, fuck, Tito Ortiz willing to postpone retirement to kick Chael Sonnen's ass again. Yeah, see, but the thing is he's postpone retirement to kick Chael Sonnen's ass again. Yeah, see? But the thing is he's going to try to do that with Oscar and Golden Boy,

and that's going to sell 13,000 pay-per-view buys. Nobody's going to buy that. Well, I mean, if Chael gets it on the marketing, somebody will buy it. Look, if they could figure out a real competitive fight for Tito against someone who's got a big name, and I don't know who that big name would be, but he could still sell some. Did you see the, did you see, there was, somebody posted these, I think Hanato Laranja posted these two videos of Tito where it was like,

somebody was asking him, how does he feel about this fight with Chuck? And he's like, I'm a much better fighter than I was 12 years ago. I'm a much better fighter. I'm bigger, I'm stronger. I'm younger. He said he's younger? Tito gets a little flustered with the mic. He said he wanted to outlive his kids too. Like, dude, that's the worst thing to do. Yeah, right? He also said, he also said, he also said, the guy was like, so who's making the money off of the pay-per-view? Is it just you? Is it all the fighters on the card? Or

is it just you and Chuck? And he's like, yeah, it's me, myself, and Chuck. We're going to make the money off of the pay-per-view. He just gets flabby and he just powers through these things. Yeah, well, you know, it's not a talker's business. It's a fighter's business. It's weird, you know, you're asked to be

several things. And when a guy like Connor comes along or a guy like Colby Covington, oh, that was the other thing I want to talk about. They're talking about Colby not fighting Tyron for the title now and then Usman

leapfrogging over Colby who's the interim champ. Didn't they strip Colby? Did they strip him? I believe Colby was stripped. Maybe they did strip him. Yeah.

Maybe they did strip him which is also weird. Which is weird because like that should have been Tyron's first fight back from that shoulder surgery. That's what the interim is for, right? Yeah. If it's not, then what's an interim for? If they stripped him, that's the only reason why I could see saying Usman.

But also that's another thing where I think it's probably negotiation tactics. It's like the Nate Diaz-Dustin Poirier thing. I remember looking this up, and someone was trying to correct me last time I did. It was supposed to be, which I don't know if it actually happened. When that fight happened with Tyron until when that fight happened, he was supposed to be stripped. But on the website, he's still listed as the interim champ. Well, it's a good move to keep him the interim champ if they decide to fight

because then it's champ versus champ if they do decide to make that fight i feel like on paper at least um financially it's a good fight because uh like colby talks so much shit it's like it's worth you know it's worth putting together just for that because people don't know who usman is as much. But Usman's a nightmare for anybody. He is the biggest, I believe, biggest threat to Tyron right now. Solid wrestling, solid striking, conditioning, everything. Super strong.

And just has been on a tear. And has gotten better with every fight. He's been proven, has gone through the trial by fire inside the octagon. Exactly. Like Colby has the wrestling submission awareness, at least. His offensive submissions aren't the best, but he can finish you. And his striking is competent, but he has no power. He's not going to hurt Tyra.

Interim title holder. Oh, okay. He still has it. Yeah. So they didn't strip him. They decided to keep him. But who knows? They might have just not updated the website. See that guy, Kevin McDonald? He still has it. Yeah. So they didn't strip him. They decided to keep him. But who knows? They might have just not

updated the website. See that guy, Kevin McDonald? He was one of my students. Really? Yeah. Wow. That's great.

He's a great ref. Yeah, he's a good ref. The Kobe thing is interesting. You know, it's like his fight against Rafael Dos Anjos. Like anybody thought he wasn't for real.

Like you see that fight. He beat the shit out of Dos Anjos. And his conditioning is incredible. I mean, that is one of out of Dos Anjos. And his conditioning is incredible. I mean, that is one of the big things about that dude is his conditioning. It's off the charts. He doesn't get tired in the gym. He does not get tired.

He's a fucking animal. So that's one of the things that makes that fight interesting. With Tyron, can he push Tyron? But can he survive? That's the thing. Yeah. That's the big thing. See, Dos Anjos is more of a volume striker at 170.

He's not going to knock those bigger guys out. But Tyron can knock out anybody. So this is a – I want to see that fight. And the thing with Colby, like the last time I trained with him, it's been about a year. But at that point, he was hard to miss, you know. For me, I know I'm a striker, but um tyron like tyron's got good crisp boxing but he hits so hard so hard he's so strong he's so fast like his straight right hand is just i remember when he fought um carlos condit he hit him with a lead right hand and i was just like whoa did

somebody like remove some frames from that from reality reality? He crossed over so fast. Like his distance, like he closed the distance so quick. He's explosive. He's so fast. I don't know. Tyron's a real champion. You know what I mean? He's a real champion. And not getting the credit that he deserves for a long time, that bothers him.

Well, he's in a handful of the greatest welterweights of all time now, in my opinion. You've got Matt Hughes, who's a legend. You've got, of course, George St. Pierre, Robbie Lawler, and then Tyron, who knocked out Robbie Lawler. I mean, in my opinion, he's right up there. And as these wins pile up, you make more of a case of him being the best welterweight ever.

Yeah, Tyron, with that being said, he's beaten a lot of the guys in the division, but he needs, like you said earlier, he needs a fight like a GSP. He needs something where somebody else is established because with him coming in and taking out Robbie and all these other young guys, they're proven amongst themselves and amongst each other.

But a lot of the fans, like you said, nobody knows Kamaru Usman, right? And Usman, he's a threat. To everybody. To everybody. Everybody. amongst each other but a lot of the like you said nobody knows kamaru usman yeah right and usman he's he's a threat to everybody he's to everybody everybody you know he's been wanting he's been wanting kobe he's been wanting daryl till he wants he wants everybody because he wants that shot at the belt yeah and um i believe for real he's the biggest biggest threat to tyron but um tyron could win that fight also could win it convincingly and then it means nothing to the to the world who tyron wants to respect what he's done as the

champion yeah in that case that's one of the reasons why i think the the fight with colby makes the most sense i think it'd be the most controversial highest profile because colby will talk mad shit tyron will get really angry and if he beats him and smashes him then it steps up him and puts him in and then in the meantime i mean till's not gonna fight at 170 anymore till's moved up to 185 okay so like but you still have a plethora of killers in the welterweight division i mean you can make a lot of matchups but the colby fight the colby fight also could help tyron get over too because colby's going to talk a lot of shit. And some of it's disrespectful and people like to see those guys get stopped.

It's true. I know. It's true. So maybe that's one. You like to see those guys get stopped, not just get beat. For Tyron to win that fight, for the most part, he has to stop Colby. Yeah. For Tyron to win that fight, for the most part, he has to stop Colby. Because Colby's not going to quit. And in the fourth round, he's going to step on the gas.

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