The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #54 with Din Thomas

Episode Date: January 8, 2019

Joe is joined by co-star of "Dana White's Looking For A Fight" and coach at American Top Team, Din Thomas.

And four, three, two, one. Dude, I didn't even get a picture of you. I had to get a picture. Would you go with the blowtorch or the samurai sword in front of the flag? What do you think? I don't know. What does everybody else do? Mix it up.

Some folks go blowtorch. It's that Elon Musk blowtorch. I'm going Elon Musk. That's a good move. Yeah. I like that. You know what? I want to be like Elon Musk.

You know what I'm saying? I don't want to be that smart. Why not? I think that's a good move. Yeah. I like that. You know, I want to be like Elon Musk. You know what I'm saying? I don't want to be that smart. Why not? I think that's bad for you. No. When I was talking to him, there was a moment where I said, what's it like being you? And he's like, it's not easy. He was talking about the thoughts that are bouncing around in his head.

I think his head is like a runaway train. His brain's just constantly going well yeah i mean but but to be that smart man you can come up with anything you could make anything to make things work for you in life well that is true i guess i guess i don't know man i want a little peace and quiet i like being kind of dumb do you really because ignorance is. You can just kick back and relax. Sometimes, you know, sometimes I just like to come home, put the headphones on, just lay back on the couch and listen to music. Just listen to some music. I don't want to think about having to fix the environment. Yeah.

I mean, I see that, too. I mean, I'm the same way. I'm an introvert, so, like, don't get me twisted. Are you really? Yeah. Really? Yeah. I would have never thought that. Really? Yeah. Yeah, no, I could play the role, though. You know, I could play same way. I'm an introvert, so don't get me twisted. Are you really? Yeah. Really? Yeah. I would have never thought that.

Really? Yeah. Yeah, no, I can play the role, though. I can play the role. I mean, that's all a part of life. Well, I think you're both, because you're really good at being friendly, and you're a fun guy. You have extrovert qualities.

Well, you need those to survive in life. But is that what it is? You prefer to be introverted? Yeah like you prefer to be introverted yeah i prefer to be introverted like i like i love my alone quiet time i just sit back and chill but you seem to love being out and being around people too yeah hang on i love that too yeah you love that too it's like i don't know it's kind of weird but it's good that's a balance yeah that's a healthy thing well because you know in order to survive in life you have to be out there. Right.

Because you ain't going to make money sitting at home listening to music. That's true. So you got to get out there. Right. And showcase. Yeah, but you enjoy it, though. Yeah, well, I mean, I want to enjoy everything I do. Well, you're really good on Dana White's Looking for a Fight.

Oh, you think so? You're very good at that. Yeah. I didn't know if anybody even watched that. I watch it. Do you really? Yeah. We have fun on it.

Yeah, we have fun. Yeah. It looks like it's a good time yeah silly nah yeah well you know me and matt we we have a good time i love dana too but like you know me and matt really have a good time yeah matt's hilarious and him and ray longo should have their own reality show i know everybody was saying that from for a year like matt and ray are like the best duo ever when they're in the corner the absolute should be one camera that's on them all the time right i know fight pass has that right they have the option to go to the corners you can listen to the corners do you yeah yeah fight don't don't think fight pass has some pretty cool audio options but like with ray longo and matt sarah that's a that's a plus oh i's a plus I love hanging out with them

they're so fun they're so Long Island I mean the epitome of Long Island I'm going up there next week and hang out with them actually I'm going to find time because I'm going up for Brooklyn so I'm going to find time that's right

who do you have on that card? Greg Hardy oh interesting I'm always nervous when I say that Who do you have on that card? Greg Hardy Oh, interesting Yeah Okay, cool I'm always nervous when I say that I know Yeah, because everybody's already cast judgment on him For people who don't know the story, explain the story

He was an NFL player Yeah, he was a very high profile NFL player And something happened happened domestic violence yeah he had allegedly you know beaten up this girl and you know

did some horrific things to her and but somehow he never was convicted of it and the case was thrown out what do you

does he talk about it no no and that's the thing is that we don't talk about it because I'm sure that's something he wants to forget about in his life. So I'm not going to be the one to bring it up to him. Right.

And I just know the experiences I've had with him have all been positive. Yeah, it's hard, right? Like you're not a girl and you're not alone with him. You don't know what happened. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I wasn't there. And I don't know how he is around his girls. But I just know how he is with us and how he is with me.

It's fucking hard, right? And it's also hard because you don't know what really happened. Yeah. Maybe something happened. Maybe nothing happened. Maybe a lot happened. Maybe it's exaggerated. Maybe it wasn't exaggerated at all.

Maybe he lost his fucking mind. Yeah. Maybe it's just... You know, the other thing is this is something that people don't like to discuss but fucking tbi man traumatic brain injury causes people to do terrible things there's that's just a fact that's just a fact yeah no doubt even know why they're doing it and they're they do wild violent impulsive shit i mean we see it with fighters we see it with football players i don't know what's

worse for you but i feel like football's worse oh man them guys head to head all day long it's way worse way worse even boxing is worse than mma i think football's worse too because of the the kind of impacts when dudes are running each other you get two full speed super athletes you know 250 pound men fucking sprinting boom some of those collisions you watch me just your whole body aches just looking at it but but they have and they have to do that like that's what the whole thing is is predicated on like mma like for me i like, listen, if you get hit twice, you need to grab. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. And it's just a fist swinging. Right. Not a whole body. Just like you said, 250 pounds. Yeah.

Even like the hardest kick. I guess if you get like neck kicked, if somebody roundhouse kicks you in the neck, I mean, that's probably as bad as anything in life. Yeah. But like, yeah.

Or like wheel kick, like when Edson Barboza wheel kicks people. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. When he did Terry Adam. in the neck i mean that's probably as bad yeah that's a bad life yeah but like yeah or like wheel kick like when edson barboza wheel kicks people yeah yeah yeah when he did terry adam yeah yeah wheel kicks that's like full rotation of your body weight into that one kick on your neck yeah that's pretty bad dude his fight with dan hooker holy shit yeah yeah first of all holy shit is hooker tough because that guy tried to keep going, but his body was just, I would, his organs must have just been annihilated. Yeah, because Barbosa don't play. No. He trained with us now, too.

Does he? Yeah, he trained the top team now. Oh, that's right. He went to Florida, right? Yeah, he came, moved to Florida. Why did he decide to move to Florida? His Muay Thai coach was in Florida? Yeah, well, we.

Because he was with Mark Henry, right? Yeah, he was with Mark Henry. But his Muay Thai coach is the guy who taught him everything from a kid. Yeah. And I know we reached out to his Muay Thai coach to come down and work with our team. And, you know, because I think he was in Brazil or whatever. So he came with our team, and then Edson just followed him. Wow. Yeah.

Yeah, that bond. Yeah. Well, I'm telling you, you man he looks fucking good i know i mean he's an amazing athlete he's so fast his switch kick is probably the fastest i've ever seen yeah i don't think i've ever seen anybody throw a switch kick that fast yeah i remember watching a switch kick and i was like it's like someone took a frame out of it yeah you know what i mean like a bruce lee move and not only that but he does like he's got a pretty high level of intelligence

in terms of fighting like he makes that stuff work you know I mean and I look at this like because I've worked with Mark Ducasse and physically

I mean just God given abilities but he just doesn't have the intelligence to like make all that shit work he's screaming out of the TV right now.

You motherfucker. I know, I know. And I say that with all due respect because he's my man. Isn't he a young guy though? Isn't he a young guy? Who, Mark? Yeah. Yeah, I mean early to mid-20s.

Yeah, maybe just trying to figure it out. Yeah, and that's what it is. He's trying to figure it out and it kind of pushed him a little fast so he didn't have a lot of time to make all that shit work. Because Edson's had some ups and downs. Yeah. The cowboy fight was a big down. I mean, he's had the Khabib fight.

It was a big down. Oh, yeah. That was a terrifying fight. That was when you realize how goddamn good Khabib is. Oh, I know. Yeah, that was like, that's the fight that put Khabib on the map,

really, for everybody to say, man, who's going to beat this guy? What he did to him. Who's's gonna beat this guy what he did to him who's gonna beat this guy yeah but that's what i've always said is that like if you had to pick like one thing that you're good at like what's the most important thing it seems to me to be wrestling because the wrestlers can just if you get a like a real high level wrestler they just dictate what happens they dictate where the fight takes place i don't think there is i mean you have to know how to strike you have to know the other things as well but i feel like the if you have a pyramid of shit that's important it feel like at the bottom is

wrestling and that motherfucker wrestles better than anybody in that division yeah i mean but see i disagree kind of okay and here's why um i don't necessarily because we talk about wrestling, I don't think it's necessarily the techniques of wrestling. I think it's just the way they're brought up. They're brought up different. In Dagestan. Not only Dagestan. They're definitely brought up differently, but any wrestler is just brought up different. Oh, toughness.

A different level of toughness. A different level of competitiveness. So when you go to a jiu-jitsu school the first thing you learn how to do is bow to Matt and kiss the instructor's ass that's it you know you bow to Matt and you're learning

self-defense and you're learning respect and wrestling it's not about that it's about dominating it's about winning and dominating so they have years

of experience of doing that like just that mindset it's also about being uncomfortable all the time yeah yeah and it's like yeah they're just,

the room is always rough. It's always tough. Like you go to a jiu-jitsu school, it's a bunch of dudes smoking pot, laying back. They roll five minutes, sit back,

smoke for 30, roll another five minutes. You go to a wrestling room, it's hot, sweaty. They're all uncomfortable. They're all grinding. So you take that guy and you teach him

some basic jiu-jitsu you got a champ yeah yeah it's just the mindset for me physical strength too yeah yeah they got physical strength the grip strength like that's so important like for me like grips is everything and in wrestling you learn a lot of that early so i feel like um that's kind of the difference they're just brought up different yeah i definitely think there's something to that. And then also being able to cut weight and still compete. Yeah, I mean, so I'm always telling my fighters now, when you have that wrestling experience, especially if you wrestled in college,

you go all your high school years, you got 50 matches a year. So you're competing 200 times before you even graduate high school. And then you go to college. If you wrestle in college, you're competing against the best of the best in the best school. And then you go to college. If you wrestle in college, you compete against the best of the best in the best room.

And then you fight MMA, it's nothing. There's nothing to you. And then you take a kid off the street who's never competed before. They're nervous. They don't perform well. They're always at a disadvantage

against somebody who wrestled. Right, because of the experience in competition. Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense. The only thing about some wrestlers, always at a disadvantage against somebody who wrestled. Right, because of the experience in competition. Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense. The only thing about some wrestlers, because there's a tightness to wrestling, and some wrestlers just never learn how to be loose with striking. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And some pick it up quick.

It's weird. Well, that's the difference, and that's what makes some of them better than the other ones. Yeah. When I look at, obviously, Tyron Woodley, he's got it. Yeah, he's got it yeah he's loose he's got it yeah even michael chandler when he throw his right hand it's loose yeah so yeah uh but you're right some of them just can't get it and that's why they struggle yeah and they struggle if they fight a wrestler who can strike that's oh yeah yeah that's terrifying for a wrestler who can't strike to fight a wrestler who can strike is terrifying. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. Absolutely. Some dude who can keep it standing and can fuck you up, especially if they can kick, too. I know. I know. But I think that's another problem with wrestlers. They fall in love with the striking early. Yes. Jiu-jitsu guys, too.

Yeah. Yeah. And that's what messes them up, man. They fall in love with it and think, oh, I have to be well-rounded, so I have to dedicate all my time to doing this. I'm like, man man but you're getting worse at what you're good at well i used to watch george gurgel fight i'm like if you watch that guy fight you'll never know that he was a brazilian jiu-jitsu black belt he just comes to bang i used to get so mad at him i'm like dude what are you doing what are you doing like he yeah i don't know if it was like fan expectation or just like in his mind he wanted

to be a striker but i'd be like dude what are you doing i think he liked it too and i think there's something to that too something that they like i don't know it gets weird when they have that new tool yeah yeah they thought i mean but it's ruined a lot of good fighters careers i mean you look at like johnnyicks or Josh Koscheck. He fell in love with that right hand. Hendricks fell in love with that left hand. And then when it caught up to him. Hendricks is an interesting case because something switched off.

Something changed with that guy. Like that guy used to knock everybody dead. And then it just stopped happening. Like you watch his Martin Kampman fight. Martin Kampman went flying like he had the death touch. Yeah, yeah. John Fitch went flying like the death touch. Yeah.

Like, he was smashing people. I mean, he caught them early. Boom! Boom, yeah. They were flying. Yeah. Like, if he touched you, you were getting fucked up. Like, something happened, and then all of a sudden, everybody's surviving.

Yeah. I'm not sure. Honestly, I'd have to look back and watch, but I don't really know, man. He started throwing a lot of leg kicks and just taking a little bit of steam off his shots, off his punches. I don't really know. It could be injuries. Sometimes you see a guy, as they get older or they get injured, they don't throw the punch the same way anymore. It's almost like they can't throw it straight.

It's like their shoulders are fucked up or something. Their mechanics are off. Yeah, their mechanics change. You see that with Orlovsky. Orlovsky. When Orlovsky was young, dude, his right hand was a fucking piston. Oh, man. He was great, wasn't he?

Yeah. Have you ever watched his fight with Paul Blantello? It's been a while since I've seen that. It's like the perfect example of an Orlovsky knockout. He KO'd Paul Blantello with his straight right hand. It was just,

bop! It just came right off the shoulder. Bop! And it doesn't come off the shoulder anymore. Now it's like it comes up almost.

It's like he doesn't throw it straight anymore. It doesn't seem the same when he throws it. Well, I see him in the gym all the time. He trained throws it. Well, I see him in the gym all the time. He trained with us, too. So I see him in the gym all the time. And, I mean, obviously it's kind of sad because you see him.

It's like you remember how great he was. And now, like with age and injuries, he's just trying to get through a workout. And that's not a knock on him. It's just what happens when you get older. He's 40. Yeah, yeah, he's 40 years old. So, like, your workouts are different. Well, it's also he's 40 years old with 15-plus years of world-class combat experience.

I mean, if you look at some of the knockouts that he suffered against, like, Sergei Karatov, against Francis Ngannou, I mean, he suffered some brutal fucking knockouts. Oh, I know. I mean, but just the fact that— Here's Arlovsky. fucking knockouts oh i know i mean but here's the fact here's our lovsky this is this is like i want to say this is like ufc fucking 37 or some shit boom look at that oh yeah that was straight down the pipe yeah show that again real quick look at this boom i mean just the timing the precision he was a fucking savage back then yeah that was yeah you couldn't really do it better than that yeah he was the scariest fucking heavyweight on the planet for a

while i mean and he had a you know you got to respect his career because he's done a lot and he's still good yeah yeah and he's still good he's still competitive. I mean, he loves to fight. He still fights with enthusiasm. Yeah. He just can't get his body to do what it used to do. Yeah. In the gym, it took him a while for him to kind of lighten up a bit. I remember he'd come in the gym. He's got that Russian, that scary Russian look to him.

And he'd come in the gym and wouldn't say nothing to nobody. But now he smiles. That's cool. It's hard to get these guys to smile sometimes. So is he down in Florida now? Yeah, he's down in Florida. When did he start going down there? It's been like two fights, right?

Yeah, maybe a little more than that. He works a lot with Mike Brown. Yeah. And they've been working together for maybe two years maybe. So he was at Jackson's for quite a bit. Yeah. And then he just decided to just keep moving, huh? Yeah.

That's the life of a fucking rambling fighter. Moving different towns and trying to assimilate. Man, it's so hard. Single, no kids. Yep. But nah, you know what? A lot of them, what they end up doing is they're getting girls and they end up shacking up with a girl because it's easier for them.

In what way? When you're a struggling fighter, fighter you got nothing hardly nowhere to live you find a girl and you shack up with her and she pay all your bills oh really yeah that's what a lot of fighters end up doing that's why you see them end up like with a girl and young paying the bills that's never a good relationship no girls paying the bills no no especially when you're a fighter and you you lose a fight. She looking at you like, this motherfucker. Get a job. Yeah. Get a job.

Get a job. You got brain damage. Get a job while you still can. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's a weird road when you don't think that you could win a title.

Right? think that you could win the title right like every fighter wants to think that they can one day be like a title holder or be one of the elite of the elite yeah you're in the in the hunt it starts out like that it starts out like that yeah it don't always end up like that though yeah but that's the weird the weird world is the world of the journeyman like when oturo gatti used to fight mickey ward and we both knew everybody knew that these guys were not going to win any titles but but you still wanted to see them beat the fuck out of each other still want to see them go to war well I mean but that's where we got to kind of draw that line between like sport and event right yeah you know because like when we and

fighters have to also be real with themselves too, is are you doing this for the sport? You trying to be the champ? Or are you just trying to be a fan favorite? Right. And you should train the way you want to, on what you want to project to the world. And a lot of fighters don't do that. Right.

But if you're trying to be a fan favorite, like if you're a guy who just wants to bang it out, like how many of those you got in you? It's not many. But some, you know, like, you know, you know donald cerrone you know he's that's that's his road now yeah in a way but i think donald still thinks he can win a title that's tough yeah it's gonna be tough for him well they were trying to get him um he was trying to get the conor mcgregor fight that would have been a tough fight for him it would have been a tough fight for him but at 155 pounds it's not a bad fight for him no not really but i mean the problem is stylistically

he just he don't move his head enough yeah you know and nate i mean nate doesn't either but nate took a lot of shots you know to the head so i mean it's kind of a bad, I don't know. Yeah, but Nate is a very good boxer. Yeah, Nate can box. Yeah. Nate Diaz is, it frustrates the shit out of me that he's not fighting. Why is that? Because I like to see him. I want to see him get in there.

I want to see him make money while he can, too. I mean, you're only going to be able to live this lifestyle. I mean, I know he made a couple million dollars off of the Conor fight, but he hasn't fought in two years. More than that. He ain't doing nothing else? But the Dustin Poirier fight, that was going to happen, but then Poirier got injured.

He's got some hip issue, and then he pulled out of that fight. I was looking forward to that fight. I want to see him back in it. Yeah, but I mean, I would have loved to have seen that fight. And then Nick was supposed to fight Masvidal. That's not going to happen? No. Why? I don't know. That's the perfect fight loved to have seen that fight. And then Nick was supposed to fight Masvidal. That's not going to happen? No. Why?

I don't know. That's the perfect fight. It's a great fight. I mean that's the fight where you could have got like the Hispanic culture, the Civil War, and Española going at it. Yeah. That would have been a great stylistic fight too. Yeah, and like they would have talked trash to each other.

That would have been crazy trash. Whoever dropped the ball on that needs to be fired i think nick just decided not fight i don't know i do not know i don't know i'm talking out of my ass i don't know the specifics but i was looking forward to it but then i saw an article that said nate nick diaz confirms he's not going to be fighting the ufc 235 i'm like, what? What? Get in there. Come on, man.

Last time he fought was Anderson Silva. That's crazy. That is crazy. That's crazy. But I don't know. I mean, I don't know, Joe. And this is something that we kind of got to stop doing, man. Like, maybe they ain't got it no more.

Well, I don't know if it's he doesn't have it anymore because we haven't seen him not have it. He fought well against Anderson, and Anderson's a 185-pounder. Yeah. Remember when he laid down? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, honestly, if anybody could still fight in their old age, the way the Diaz brothers fight, their style will allow them to fight longer. Yeah. Because they're not the best athletes, so they rely on skill and just— Endurance.

Endurance, yeah. So they can fight longer. they're not like the best athletes so they rely on skill and just endurance endurance yeah so they can fight longer so i'm assuming that they still have something left in the tank i'm sure i mean they're obviously not out of shape they're both thin yeah yeah they look like they're fit i i see them training i see you know pictures of them with jujitsu geese on and hitting the bag and shit it's you know who knows man i mean it's also like they want that big payday, you know, especially now. And they should get that big payday. But God damn, if I was the UFC. You'd pay them?

Fuck yeah. I think those guys are superstars. I think the UFC doesn't know. I think one of the reasons why Nate Diaz versus Conor McGregor was so big is because people love Nate Diaz, too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's not just Conor McGregor was so big, it's because people love Nate Diaz, too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's not just Conor McGregor. No doubt, no doubt.

Conor McGregor, no disrespect to Eddie Alvarez, but when Conor McGregor fought Eddie Alvarez, the vast majority of the eyes were on Conor McGregor. Yeah. When Conor McGregor fights Nate Diaz, you're looking at a lot of people who love Nate Diaz. Yeah. But how do you think that happened?

How do you think Nate got such that star power? You think it's star power? He legitimately doesn't give a fuck. He smokes weed all the time. People love it. They love the fact that those guys

are like that. I know, man, but what does that say about our fan base and our society? Well, I don't know. You know what?

Here's what's disappointing to me. That for whatever reason, Mighty Mouse never became a giant superstar. Yeah. That confused the shit out of me. I'd watch that guy fight.

You know, when he took Ray Borg and suplexed him and caught him with an armbar on the way down, I was like, what the fuck does this guy have to do to become a superstar? I mean, his skill level's off the chart. For sure. He doesn't get hit. For sure. He's a dazzling fighter. He puts on shows. Skill for skill. He's a dazzling fighter.

Puts on shows. Skill for skill. There's nobody on the planet who can do what he does. No, he's the best ever. He's the best physically ever. Yeah. The only thing that keeps him from being thought of as universally the greatest of all time is Jon Jones. And Jon Jones has been able to beat better guys.

Jon Jones fights a better caliber of competition because the 205-pound weight class, at least at one point in time, had a deeper talent pool. Yeah, but do you think it was – I mean, I'm going to agree with you there. But I will say this. I think that sometimes we confuse popularity with actual talent. Well, I say yes and no because if you think about like daniel cormier daniel cormier twice yeah rumble for sure rumble's the scariest rumble yeah scariest knockout artist in the history of that division no kidding nobody mercs people like rumble no kidding fuck that guy hits hard i know jesus christ he's one of the scariest I would not want to

Piss him off I wouldn't want to Piss him off Fuck Yeah I see him in Florida Every once in a while I'm always like Hey

Hey how you doing buddy Hello friend You good Can I get you anything Let's stay tight Yeah That's a scary motherfucker Rumble beat him twice

Think about that And think of what he did To Gustafson Think of what he does To everybody What he did I mean fuck man what he did to Gustafson. Think of what he does to everybody. What he did. I mean, fuck, man.

What he did to Little Nog. He just smashes people. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you're right. I mean, John Jones. Yeah, you're right. John Jones would beat a better caliber, guys. Easily.

Yeah. And he did it easily. I was really looking forward to that fight. John Jones versus Rumble. Very. I was looking forward to that fight. Jon Jones versus Rumble. Very. I was looking forward to that fight. I wish that fight took place. But for whatever reason, Rumble couldn't beat the best of the best.

You know, it's unfortunate. You know, I think, I mean, and he wrestled too. So I don't really know what his performance anxiety was based on. But he had it. But you know what he said? For some reason. He said after he retired you know in the fight with when he lost to dc he goes i'm just good at this he goes i'm not really a fighter

he's like i'm an athlete he goes i'm just really good at this yeah like how the fuck are you not a fighter you smash people i mean it's he's a terrifying fighter but he just that's not his thing well that's the thing joe and i and i gotta tell you because when i'm coaching guys i have to identify that early and what i'm working with are you a fighter you're an athlete right you're a competitor or are you an artist right i put them in them four categories and they have to be trained all differently like okay how do you train an artist like an artist you got to let them get creative like give me an example of an artist like a as a fighter yeah i look at somebody like, prime example,

we just saw him, Ryan Hall. Yes. Ryan Hall's an artist. What he did, that was like art, that's poetry, what he did to BJ.

And the fight world ain't really ready for that yet. You don't think so? No. It's getting there, but they're not ready for that yet because when you saw him when he fought Gray Maynard,

he's trying to perform his art. Gray Maynard wouldn't let him. So who do we blame? We blame the artist. Everybody said, oh, bad Ryan Hall. Get him out of here. He's a pussy. He can't fight.

Well, you have to fight the smart way. For sure. Gray Maynard hits hard. For sure. So he fought him. He dove for his legs 15 minutes. But when it works, we can appreciate the art. Yeah.

Well, just Gray Maynard was prepared and he shrugged them off. Here's an example of an artist. Stylebender. Stylebender. Artist. Pure artist. Pure artist. Pure artist.

Yep. Anderson Silva. Artist. Artist. These guys are artists and you can't train them the same way you train a fighter or an athlete. Yeah, you can't train them like that. Mike Perry's an animal.

Yeah, Mike Perry. And I know Mike Perry since the first day he walked into a gym. And he's always had like this edge on him and this chip on his shoulder. I didn't think he'd make it this far

to be honest with you. Really? I thought he'd be in jail. I swear to God. Wow. Yeah. Wow. What made you think that?

Just that he had a little, like he had a little chip on his shoulder. He was always getting in trouble, getting arrested, getting in trouble. But I'm proud of him, man. He was always getting in trouble, getting arrested, getting in trouble. But I'm proud of him, man. He really turned it around, and he's got a good head on his shoulders.

Well, he's still in the hunt. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, he can recover from the cowboy fight. He's got some holes in his game, but he could shore those up. But he's got the one thing that you need in order to cover up holes, and that's power. Savage. Yeah, that's power. You know what I'm saying?

Even though he got holes, he got power. Not just power. He takes it well. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's got the one thing that you need in order to cover up holes, and that's power. Yeah, that's power. You know what I'm saying? Like, even though he got holes, he got power. Not just power. He takes it well. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's got a great chin. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's got a great chin. And he's tough as shit. Tough.

Like, his mind. Like, he's an absolute fighter. Absolute. So he's the type of guy you just, hey, man, get on that heavy back for 30 minutes, and I'll throw you some raw meat. Go fight. Yeah. That's how you train him.

You know what I'm saying? You just let him go. Right. But don't you, like, it seems like what they've done at jackson's though is made him more calculated made him more technical like if you see uh some of his more recent fights uh before the cowboy fight he's he's fighting a more calculated style i like the way he looks better yeah i mean that works but the problem is sometimes it takes time to develop and that's okay like mike prayer still has time so that's okay but the thing is you don't want to calculate his offense too much calculate his defense make him more aware but then you when

it comes to offense man just punch a motherfucker in the face just punch him in the fucking face that's it right so defensively you keep him aware and calculate it it's like his attitude you just want to like keep it the same yeah yeah and that's the problem is that like some coaches and i'm not blaming nobody over there but um but you just have to make sure you communicate with them to look i don't want to change the way you think right i just want to make you more aware you're gonna be a better fighter if you don't just run out there swinging wildly we need something to do before you can swing wildly what was it like for you to transition from being a fighter to being a coach is it was it a seamless process or were there some hiccups

along the way no it was it wasn't a seamless pro i mean it was seamless as as it could be it was no hiccups really because i can i can identify and i can relate to uh rumble because i wasn't a fighter neither really yeah i always thought i was an artist so when when it was time for me to transition i said i no longer want to express myself by punching people i'm gonna show people how to do it hmm do you like taking people that are already good And making them better Or do you like taking people That don't know shit I like taking people

That don't know shit Really Yeah I like taking people That don't know shit Cause like if you're already good So I mean that's hard Because like if they're already good

And then you like You win a world title with them Right That's them You know what I'm saying Like there's no real Let me ask you Let me take a guy like this

Okay What would you do with Gustafson gustafson yeah because gustafson that weird spot right can't be dc can't be john fucks up glover to share yeah looks like a world beater he beats jimmy manua i mean he's got world-class talent for sure but it seems like it's just shy of world championship caliber. See, but that's something that he might have to go soul-searching for because he might not have it. So if he don't have it, you just start going, you know what, I need to get fights just to make a bunch of money.

Do you think maybe it's where he trains? Do you think maybe he's training overseas? He trains with alir latifi who's really good yeah i mean does he have world-class coaching over there i mean does he does he have world-class sparring partners people that recognize patterns yeah so that's that's what i think too is it in europe and somebody mentioned this to me a couple couple months ago is in europe the coaches are better? And I don't necessarily think that they're better, but they're more attentive.

They're more attentive to their fighters. So if Gus were to leave his coaching staff, I think he'd be a worse fighter. I think he needs to keep his coaching staff, but maybe add something else to it. We spent some time in alliance. Yeah, and I think he needed that. But what he might need are just better partners.

He might just need a few better guys to give him some different looks but i think the coaching staff or his coach staff is fine i've worked with someone before because latif used to come to the top team and i met all them guys they're smart and they're more attentive to their guys than american coaches american coaches sometimes you gotta roll right, roll, do what you got to do. There's a bunch of good guys in the room. I don't need to tell you nothing. So I think that's the biggest difference between America and then in Europe. They're more attentive. More attentive.

What's the reason for that? Just not many guys to work with. Right. You know, so, you know, and you go to, the states here is so big is you go to a room there's one coach 20 fighters right the coach is just like well you guys are good go ahead spar and whoever's left i'm gonna get you a fight yeah and you're a little of that right yeah you know this that's a similarity with uh comedy managers it's a very similar thing like there's

some comedy managers that have like a hundred clients and they just like go out there figure it out yeah and if you're good and we're gonna take you and take it to the top yeah i've seen like kevin hart oh yeah must had a great manager look how good he got no he's fucking kevin hart he was gonna make it no matter who is his manager and then there's some that have like a small amount of clients they spend a lot of time with them yeah and they they calculate a career together they map it out you know i think with fighters a lot of times you just it is a lot of like who's who's left who's still standing yeah who's still standing and i think that you know being a coach at top team we have a lot of coaches yeah so i think that helps us that place is so big yeah it's so big yeah it's so big we have a lot of

fighters but we also have a lot of coaches so So we can give Amanda Nunez 100%. She gets whatever she wants. Yeah. So she gets the attention. And I think it's just great because she can get that attention. Like, in different places, she might not be able to get it. I mean, she would still get it, but with the level of our coaching expertise, it's just ridiculous, too.

Dude, that chick is a savage. I know. She's a savage. I know. She had a smile on her face when she was fucking up Cyborg. I know. She had like a half a grin when she was digging in. It was half grit teeth, half smile when she was fucking her up.

See, people are like, I don't think they gave her no credit. I did. Yeah, I mean, oh, yeah, she hits hard. She knocked out Ronda. She knocked out, you know what I mean? She beat up me. She knocked these girls out. But, oh, yeah, she fight like a dude, but she fight like a brother.

Yeah. She get the swag. You know what I'm saying? She fight like a brother. Well, you know what? To me, I think one of the most impressive performances was Raquel Pennington. Yeah. Because I don't think people give Raquel Pennington enough credit.

I think Raquel Pennington was one of those girls, like, you see her first fight with Holly Holm. She almost beat Holly Holm. She lost by split decision. Her fight with Ashley Evans-Smith, holy shit was that chaos. Yeah. And she gets her in that bulldog choke and chokes her unconscious for like one second left.

Like, ah! It was madness. Blood everywhere. I mean, that girl's tough as shit. She's super. You're right, man. She's super tough. Tough, tough.

And when Amanda fucked her up, I was like, good Lord. I was like, this is a different Amanda. She's got everything now. Before, she had the power, but she didn't have the endurance, and she would fade. And, you know, like, perfect example was the Kat Zingano fight. She fucked Kat Zingano up bad in that first round. So bad that Kat's head was fucked up for years afterwards. She was having problems with her cortisol levels.

Her hormones were all fucked up. She gave her hypothyroid. She killed her thyroid in that fight. Oh, my God. Yes. Like, she talked about it on my podcast. She's like, that girl hit me so hard. She gave me a thyroid condition. Oh, my God. Yeah, she went to all sorts of god yes like she talked about it on my podcast she's like that girl hit me so hard she she gave

me a thyroid condition oh my god yeah she went to all sorts of serious fucking traumatic brain injury therapy afterwards they did this shit they do for soldiers down in san diego they did it with her she went about it in detail with my on my podcast from amanda she's like that bitch hits hard yeah so hard like different than anybody else. Like, bang. You're like, what? I mean, she's really good at hitting home runs. Like, her swing to contact ratio on the money, on the button, is just high. Yeah.

And the force behind it. Yeah. Like, you saw when she clipped Cyborg. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I said, oh, my God. I didn't know it was over. As soon as I saw it, I said, this is over.

Yeah. This is over. Crazy. Crazy. But Amanda's is over. Crazy. Crazy. But Amanda's another one. Prime example. Because I've worked in all Amanda's camps, except for maybe like this last one. But she's not a fighter, believe it or not.

Really? Yeah. What? What is she? Is she an athlete or is she an artist? She's an athlete. She's an athlete and a competitor. So here's the thing.

You can't just put Amanda and go, all right, spar. And you try to push Amanda, she's not going to respond well to that. And that was why I think in them fights she would gas out because she didn't train properly. She wasn't happy really with her training because it was like everybody was trying to push her like a fighter but when you let her do her thing she pushes herself oh yeah she pushed herself to the limit but when you try to take control of her no you need to do this you need that she's not gonna respond well to that but you let her do her thing coach i got this go ahead you do it. World class. Best ever. Weird. Yep.

So for her, what was the missing ingredient when you look at the early Amanda to champ champ Amanda? I think it wasn't necessarily missing ingredient. I think it was just everybody was pushing her too hard. Really? Yeah. Believe it or not, they were pushing her too hard.

Oh, you need to come in. You need to come in and wrestle for two hours. You need to come in and do this. You can't be a world champ if you don't really train hard and she was like i don't know if i'm good you know i'm good and i don't know if i'm down for that just let me let me do it let me let me figure this out let me figure what my body needs and when she figured out what her body needs she said all right i'm gonna push myself and she gives no less effort than what she would have gotten before but she made the decision so maybe she just doesn't like people telling her what to do.

I think that has a big part of it. Because she's now the best of all time. Yeah, no doubt. She knocked out Cyborg in 50 fucking seconds. She beat everybody. She fucked up Misha Tate. I mean, she fucked up Ronda Rousey. I mean, she fucks up everybody.

I know. She's the best. She is. No She fucks up everybody. I know. She's the best. She is. No doubt about it. Beat Valentina twice. I think if anybody is other than her who's the best, it's Valentina. Yeah, Valentina's a beast. Yeah, she's a beast.

But I think that the more confident Amanda gets, she just walks Valentina down and beats her up. She's too big. Yeah, she's just too big too good too quick so goddamn but valentina is so skillful she's yeah and that's like stylistically it doesn't make for a great fight because valentina is so skillful yeah so like it can she made it yeah she ain't gonna brawl with her and she's moving got good defense and she moves her feet well she does everything yeah she's really good yeah i feel bad for them other girls in flyweight. Yeah, well, she might take over that division for a long fucking time. Yeah, for sure. Yeah.

I mean, if you look at what she did, she shut Jacek down, and Jacek was way healthier, way healthier flyweight than she was at strawweight. I feel like strawweight, she just sucks too much weight, you know, drains her too much. She's not as durable because you look at the shots that she got hit with by valentina they're probably arguably harder shots yeah but she just you're right she's more durable she's just not she can't cut that weight and perform at the same level yeah i don't know why fighters feel like that's the answer all the time cutting away cutting weight cutting weight i hate it i hate i'm like if you're gonna allow seven pounds to dictate whether you can beat this guy or not you got a

problem yeah now you're not that good then yeah you should never allow like seven pounds to dictate whether you could beat somebody or not do you think that the sport would be better if they eliminated weight cutting the way one fc did i think so i think so too i think so i wish they would i think the performance would be better i think so i wish they would i think the performance would be better i think guys would be more durable they'd be able to take shots better and i think there would be less bullshit i think they just need more options in terms of weight classes i think that's one i think because there's there's too many giant jumps like yeah 85 to 205 like what the fuck is that 20 pounds is a lot well i mean that's just one issue with this sport

just like incredibly antiquated yeah the weight classes yeah like this is i mean this stuff was 20 years ago i mean it was and we're keeping it the same like the pay structure antiquated win bonuses but knock a guy for winning i'm like why are we having a win but knock a guy for winning you're paying them double to win. Yeah, well, not only that, you're paying these assholes to judge. Yeah, judging is terrible. You're paying people who don't know what the fuck they're watching. I would love, I mean, there's some great judges. Don't get me wrong.

If you're listening and you're a judge and you're great, thank you. There's some terrible judges. And I would like to know how many of them have ever even trained probably not many if you if you're watching someone there's there's some crazy scramble and some guy almost catches someone with something and the guy gets away and almost catches someone and it gets away the person who doesn't train do they even understand how close it was like how do they yeah they don't they don't know how could they know understand how close it was? Like, how do they know? Yeah, they don't know. How could they know? How could they know?

They can't. And sometimes I get in arguments with people about this, too. Another thing is, like, you know, the open scoring. I feel like we need open scoring. I love that idea. I'm like, because as a coach, you go into a fight, and, like, there's certain things that you want to do in certain rounds based on where you are in the fight. But you don't know where you're at in the fight.

The only argument against it is that a guy would coast. Yeah, but- Then the other guy would go crazy. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I think it would be more exciting to go, oh, he's going to coast. But this is what's happening now. Both fighters are coasting because they thought they won. Right.

That's terrible. So both fighters are coasting because they thought they won. You have to be crazy to think that these judges got it right. You have to be crazy. Yeah. If you won the first two rounds, you're like, I got this. Yeah. You have to be crazy to think that these judges got it right. You have to be crazy. If you won the first two rounds, you're like, I got this. You got to be crazy. You have no idea what these fucking people say. You never know.

They might just be guessing. Yeah. I think sometimes they do. I think they do, too. But I'm like, man, if I knew what the score was going into the third round, I would be able to tell you better what you need to do. You know what Douglas Crosby, he's a referee, a judge rather, he told me once they were in the middle of a fight and some woman looked over at him a guy had another guy in a Kimura And he's like, what is he doing? What is that? Oh my god

What is a Kimura? Oh my god It's not something crazy. And I mean these are the guys that are in charge of your life your career career Yeah, and especially in MMA. I mean look it's the guys that are in charge of your life. Your career. Your career. Yeah. And especially in MMA. I mean, look, it's terrible in boxing as well. There's terrible decisions in boxing. But this one is insane because it's 50% of your purse. Yeah.

The win bonus is 50% in most cases. Yeah. I don't even know why we still do that. I hate it. Why do they still do that? I hate it. Guys fight their heart out. They should get what they're supposed to get paid.

Yeah. You should get what you get paid. Yeah. And the only is should be for finishing the idea that someone's not going to fight hard like they're not going to fight as hard as they would if they guys want to win yeah they want to win you dare to win anyway everybody wants to win you're not going to fight any harder right because there's a win bonus no that yeah i've never i've never come back to a guy in the corner and be like, hey, listen, you got that win bonus. You got the win bonus.

You got to win this because of the win bonus. No, you want to win anyway. Let me give some advice to fighters, too. Stop asking for those performance bonuses. You're not going to get them when you ask. It just doesn't work that way. Is that what it is? They never get it when they ask.

Unless it's obvious. There's some win bonuses where you're like, of course. Yeah. Well, Conor started that whole thing, didn't he? Did he? I think he did. 50 G's, baby. I think he might have been the one to start that.

Maybe he did. But again, it was probably a performance where he was going to get it. Yeah, he would have probably got it anyway. He would have probably got it anyway. Some guys do it on fight pass prelims. I'm interviewing them. I'm like, I wish you didn't say that. Yeah.

You're not going to get this. You might not have gotten it if you didn't say nothing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just I don't like that either. I feel like the performance bonuses, I'm like, oh, come on, man. I think they should give everybody a bonus if you finish because then you're going to get guys looking to finish. That's a great idea.

Yeah. That's a great idea. Having a finish bonus. Yeah. On every fight. Yeah. Every fight. Every fight.

If you finish, you get paid what you get paid. Win or loss. And then there's an X amount of dollars for every finish. Yeah. Yeah. 10 grand to finish. 20 grand to finish. Whatever it is that you finish.

Yeah. I agree with that. That's great. I think that I do think that there's a real – I think it's unfair that you don't fix the judging, but yet you also have win bonuses. I think that's unfair. It is. Oh, I don't like it.

You just told me that story. It breaks my heart to think that these guys are judging in control of everybody's career, and he don't know what a Camorra is. There's a lot of people like that out there. There's a lot of people like that out there there's a lot of people like that i mean we've seen we've seen scores where it's just so like this is what i think i think first of all three people is too few yeah i think seven should be the number that's a good number i would think i would like this i would like like a good number like seven maybe but then on top of that i want an online score i want to see

what people and i want to get like you know just experts like get a bunch of fighters to give their input on it like have a pool of experts yeah you know it's like what did tyron woodley think about that fight oh tyron's watching at home he felt like it was this yeah what did mighty mouse johnson think what did what did john jones think like if whoever wants to contribute who wants to contribute to the pool like have a verified account and say this i'm scoring it at home it was this you know this it was that and then you look at this online pool like 90 felt it should have gone this way but the judges went the other way oh yeah yeah that kind of shit yeah That kind of shit would be very telling. Yeah. And I don't get it. Like, because we all look at fights and go, all right, that shit was not, that's not how

it went. Right. This guy won, but we all know he didn't win that fight. What's like the big, can you put, I'm trying to think like, what's the most egregious example that you could, you could come up with? Well, I just saw a fight in, where was I? It was Justin Scoggins fought a kid this recently and i think i dropped from you see from that loss it was a bad decision oh the terrible i'm thinking

oh yeah i went in fact i left to get something to drink because i was like he won that scoggins got dropped yeah he just fought in like japan or somewhere yeah he's good yeah he got weird style too yeah yeah sideways yeah sideways he's like a small like wonder boy that could wrestle yeah yeah interesting yeah well they're all from the same area like they do a lot of karate up in this carolina's i think it's interesting yeah did you see that robin black breakdown of the dude this i've always said that one thing that i used to see in sport karate and i used to see in taekwondo was sliding like guys knew how to lift up that front leg and slide in yeah it doesn't i don't see that a lot in mma but if someone was good at it, there was a guy that I used

to train with, his name was Larry Jones, and Larry was, he was tall, he was like 6'2", but his legs went up to his armpits, man, it was crazy. This dude would just fuck people up with his front leg in Taekwondo tournaments. He would just slide across, BAM! Yeah. He would just slide across, and people just didn't know what to up with his front leg in Taekwondo tournaments. He would just slide across. Bam! Just slide across. And people just didn't know what to do with that front leg. They were trying to figure out that front leg.

And Robin Black, see if you can find this. I think it's on his Instagram. This dude, I don't know who the guy is. I've never seen him fight before. But he slides in with a sidekick. Bam! Slides in again. Bam!

And then goes to the guy's face. I mean, he's covering like 15 feet bam, and then goes to the guy's face. I mean, he's covering like 15 feet with his one leg up in the air and one leg down, just sliding in with his hips and his momentum. Well, see, that's a unique skill to have. And I got to tell you, when me and Tyron, we first started training for the Wonder Boy fight, we couldn't find anybody that could do that really. And that's why a lot of people have problems with Wonderboy because, oh, yeah, I'll just get a bunch of guys

that can strike. But his striking is different. It's different. It's very different. And here's the guy. Look at this. Watch this guy do it. Is it this one?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do it from the beginning, though. Well, it's got to reset. Yeah, but just reset it. Watch this guy. Watch how this guy does this. This is crazy. See how he slides?

Yeah. Look at this slide. Watch this. Boom! That's some serious sliding. Look at this slide. Watch this. Boom! That's some serious sliding. Oh, my goodness. Serious coverage. The distance of that. And that you see a lot in those sport karate guys.

Yeah. Especially guys that know how to correctly throw a front leg sidekick. And this dude, whoever this gentleman is, he really knows how to do it. What is his name? I think Jamie Falding. Jamie Falding. Yeah, click on his shit. I got to follow that dude.

Oh, he's a jujitsu guy too? Damn. He's going to be tough. He's got some serious fucking power with that front leg. But he's also, if you watch, go back to that original clip again. You watch what he does when he does it. Watch how he lifts his knee up waist height which is critical yeah because everybody the the people that do it wrong their knee is low yeah

their knee is low and they're kicking up he's his knee goes high his knee goes like when he he throws it it comes off straight see look how high his knee is his knee is like up where his hip is and then as he throws it he throws it in a straight line. You just get all this power. See, he touches him. And I like how he even delayed. Like he just hopped, hopped, hopped, hopped. And when he got in range, then he delivered.

Yeah, man. I used to see a lot of people in the Taekwondo days that were real good at this and very few in MMA until this guy. Like, bang! Like that is a fucking – look at that stretch on this dude. That's some serious flexibility, too. And to fuck a guy up with a front leg sidekick to the dome like that, that's incredible. But it's the slide that's the most impressive.

The distance he covers. If you're not used to that, you think you're okay because you're outside, but you're not even nearly outside. You're right in the wheelhouse. And, like, he doesn't have to change his position. He's not vulnerable to a lot of attacks. Yeah. Being like that.

Wonder Boy has an interesting way of doing it. It's a little bit different. Wonder Boy does a slide, but his leg comes up from the ground. He's lifting his foot up, and you're not even sure what it is. And then as he's extending it, it's still low, and then he brings it up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He stabs you in the stomach with it, and you're like, what? Yeah. The Johnny Hendricks fight's a great example of yeah. He stabs you in the stomach with it and you're like, what? Yeah.

The Johnny Hendricks fight is a great example of that. Johnny didn't know what the fuck he was doing and then Johnny smiled and then he got roundhouse kicked in the face. Like, what?

Well, I'll tell you, I mean, it's just because like the way, like Johnny came up a little bit later. He came up after I did but when I was coming up, nobody,

you couldn't do karate? Right. No karate. No karate? You did karate? So like that, that couldn't do karate? Right. No karate. No karate? You did karate? So like that whole stigma towards karate, just like it carried on for so long that now like if you do karate, you got an advantage because nobody knows how to defend it. Right.

Yeah. There's definitely something to some, as long as you can do the other shit, there's something to some styles of karate. Yeah. But Conor does a lot of karate. Yeah. You can tell. I mean, you see it in his style yeah that when we fought aldo he tried a front leg side kick to the thigh and slid back but he's got a karate style he's moving in and out karate

watch he's not muay thai no he's very elusive and then but when he gets in boxing range he put them hands on yeah like a boxer yeah that's an interesting style that's an interesting way of doing it there's there's just a bunch of different ways that's an interesting style. That's an interesting way of doing it. There's a bunch of different ways. That's the beautiful thing about MMA. There's a bunch of different ways to do it, man. Yeah. There's Ben Askren's way. Just grab ahold of you and gorilla fuck you.

Throw you to the ground. Ben is my man, too. I love that dude. I've known Ben since before he started fighting. He came and stayed at my house. My dog bit him and shit. Your dog bit him? Yeah, I had a little chihuahua and bit him and shit.

But, yeah, Ben is my homeboy, man. And I think that I was nervous about him going to the UFC because I was thinking that, you know, they was going to get him too late. Yeah. You know, because, like, when he, you know, but I think he's still good. He's in his prime. He's never taken any damage. Yeah, he never takes no damage. So I was just nervous that they'd get him too late.

But, you know, Ben has been instrumental in Tyron Woodley's camps. I mean, he's just, his brain is just like, we think on the same lines. Well, he's a brilliant guy. He's always sending me book suggestions. Like, he's smart as shit, dude. That guy reads. But he's also very analytical in his approach. Yeah.

You know, like, he's not going to, you know, no disrespect to George Grigel. Well, George Grigel abandoned his jiu-jitsu and just started banging ben's not no no he's never gonna do that yeah it's never happening and i like the way he thinks too he's like you know like he didn't he doesn't spend time away from what he's good at yeah he stays in that room oh he's coaching yeah constantly involved in wrestling yeah yeah he's always coaching kids but i mean even mean, even with himself, like, we'll go up there. Ben ain't training for nothing. We'll go up, and Ben will give Tyron however many rounds he needs. Really?

Yeah. You know, most guys, I got to bring in, like, two, three guys in to get Tyron some work. Yeah. Ben will give him work no matter what, no matter what kind of shape he's in. He gives Tyron work. Well, he was talking about, you know, if they do open up that 165-pound division, which I guess they're talking about, because there's so much talent in that division. I really think if they moved it to 75 and they had a 65-75-85, I think that's better.

Yeah. And then Ben would fight at 65 because he doesn't want to fight Tyron. Yeah. Him and Tyron are real good friends. But I like a lot of matchups with him. I really love the Robbie Lawler fight. I mean, I know they pulled off that fight because the Anaheim card fell apart. But they're going to fight.

Is it on Brooklyn? I think they're fighting March 2nd. Is that what it is? I think so. Is it Robbie and him? And Robbie and Ben. I felt like they were going to make that a headliner for a fight night. I felt like I saw Robbie's face as a head.

I don't know if that's been solidified. Just text Ben ask him yeah right or text Dana it's a it's a great matchup though that's where you see

where Ben fits in against world class competition I mean you'll see where he fits in against world class competition or see if Robbie is done or not

yeah it's a great fight for both guys. Or if Robbie's still a savage. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I mean, I like Robbie taking the time off, too. I think that's important for Robbie. I mean, you look at the wars.

Wars that guy went through. The Carlos Condit fight. The fucking Rory McDonald fight. I mean, good Jesus Christ. I know. Who gets out of that unscathed? Not a single human that's ever lived gets out of that fight unscathed. And he needs time off.

Yeah. Yeah, because when you get hit like that and just... He's a savage. He's a fighter. When he was screaming and his lip was split open, I mean, it was like a zipper was open. Yeah. And he's screaming. And I'm interviewing him after the fight, and I'm like, dude, I like dude i can see your teeth like literally you see his teeth right through his his mouth i mean right through his

lips oh yeah my god yeah and he didn't give a fuck no stitch it up no like yeah he's he's a fighter man like that's that's that's the type of guy like hey get on that bag yeah and throw some meat at you well he used to not even spar, which is really crazy. When he was fighting in Strikeforce, he wasn't even sparring. And I asked him about it. He goes, well, I already know how to fight. Okay. Questions are over.

Thank you. Well, I mean, also, too, you got to look at it, too, like where he comes from. Yeah. Like, you know, them dudes in the Midwest don't got no filter. You know what I'm saying? They was just trying to kick shit out of each other every sparring practice. That was every practice yeah every practice

the military stays just knocking guys out drag them off the floor until they wake up and then bring another guy and then when they wake up bring them back in bring them back in

yeah bring them back in that's what's really crazy when guys get KO'd I remember that from boxing gyms you'd watch guys get dropped like boink and then they'd be sparring

like 10 minutes later like what are you doing you should be in the hospital. Yeah, right. Do you understand what just happened to your brain stem? See, I don't like that part of the game. You know? And I don't even know if it's even necessary.

It's not necessary. It's not necessary. It was ignorance. Because if that guy gets hit again, he could get like, do you know Joseph Valtellini after he beat Marc DeBond in glory? He won. He won the title. He was fucked up for months. He couldn't have any lights

on. He had to be in a room. He said that the light from a charger, from a cell phone charger, that little tiny little light would fuck his head up. It'd give him headaches. He had a severe concussion from a fight he won. He got clipped with a giant knee in that fight.

And just, boom, sent his head back. And even though he won the fight, he still was fucked up for a long time afterwards. I was looking up stuff. UFC 235 takes shape with two title fights and three ex-UFC champs. So is that on the cards? It says it's Jones, Anthony Smith, Tyron versus Kamar Usman, and then Askren and Baller. Woo! That's it.

There we go. Is that March 2nd? Yeah. That's in Vegas, right? Yeah. Goddamn. Pray to the MMA gods. Keep that card together.

Keep that card together. And then don't forget Pedro Munoz and Cody Garbrandt. Ooh, is that on that fight too? That's on there too, yeah. Wow. Yes. Wow. That's a fucking card right there. I know. That's that fight too? That's on there too, yeah. Wow. Yes. Wow. That's a fucking card right there.

I know. That's a fucking card. Here's the rest of it. Holly Holm's also on it. Holly Holm, Aspen Ladd. Can't get rid of that ad. Zabit and Jeremy Stevens. Holy shit.

Gotta love it. Gotta love it. Mickey Gollum, Diego Sanchez. Jesus. Ovin St. Preux and Misha Surkinov. Man, that's a great card. That's a fucking crazy card. That card bombs away, man.

That is a bombs away card. I don't know about Anthony Smith and Jon Jones. Wow. I wonder why they, I don't even know why they made that fight in the first place. They probably just wanted, John wants to fight again. Really? Yeah, John's probably, well, look, he had to take two years off, no money, all that bullshit, finally gets his title back.

He's like, let's keep this ball rolling. You know, and then probably also feels like the best way to get back to like his top form is to compete regularly. You know, gets loose so he could really show what he can do yeah i mean although the fucking pressure that must have been on john from that fight you know i mean part of me that wants to feel bad for him i mean there's a lot of pressure on this young man yeah but then a part of me is like man will you stop fucking up yeah it's it's again i think it's what we're talking about with fighters.

And, you know, they're crazy. They're impulsive. They're wild. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They make mistakes. They do stupid shit, especially if they like to party. Yeah. You add that into the mix, I'm like, phew, you're going to make some piss poor decisions.

Man, I should have saw the signs. I hung out with John. This was before he was big time. It was in Buffalo. It was like some small show in Buffalo. I don't even know why he was there. And he was just doing like fucking jackdaws, like out the bottle. I was like, what the fuck?

But that's also why he's so good. Yeah. Because he's such a wild motherfucker. I mean, there's an ingredient list in great champions. Yeah. And some of the greats. Yeah. You know? And some of the greats. Part of it is they just don't give a fuck.

Yeah. They just, they go, and that was what I was saying about Amanda. When you allow her to not give a fuck and don't try to control her,

Yeah. she's going to fucking rise to the occasion. Yeah. And, but the problem is it doesn't work for everybody because some people

need to be controlled because they can't rise to the occasion like that. Right, right. But when you let them do their thing, man they can't rise to the occasion like that. But when you let them do their thing, man, they just rise to the occasion. It's funny trying to figure out

what is that, what's the right mix? Yeah. It's the right mix of discipline and conditioning but then just being free, you know? Dominic Cruz brought this up

when we were doing commentary. He's like, some guys fight better with like a week's notice. Yeah. No pressure. They just show up and they're good, you know? Some people fight better with like a week's notice. Yeah. No pressure. Just show up and they're good.

Some people fight better when they're the underdog. Nobody's thinking they're going to win. They're like, I'll show you, motherfucker. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you go out there and put on a show. I also think that part of existing Amanda, too, is when she's the underdog, it's just less pressure on her. So, again, there's another distraction away. So she's just like, all right, watch this. I'm the underdog. Watch how less pressure on her so again there's another distraction away so she's just like all right watch this i'm the underdog watch how i fuck y'all but when y'all put pressure on me to be the you know to win this fight easily you know i think she can hold back a little bit

well she was this favorite against raquel pennington she was a favorite against raquel and i think that was one of her best performances yeah but raquel hung in there a little bit you know she did a little bit but she never threatened Yeah, Raquel had a round or two. I don't think she won a round. She had a round. You think she won a round? She took Amanda down at one point and had a round. Maybe.

I don't think so. I mean, don't get it twisted. I don't think Amanda was in trouble or anything. Interesting. I think Amanda won every round. If I'm recalling it correctly, I'd have to go back and look at it, but I remember thinking it was like a slow, steady beatdown. It was.

I mean, it was. I mean, it was convincing. It was a pretty easy fight for her. Who the fuck is left for her? Especially, like, there's one legit featherweight, size-wise, it's Megan Anderson. But Megan got exposed a little bit by holly yeah you know because holly took her down and really dominated her in the clinch and got her kind of to the

ground at will and i'm sure she's tightened up a lot of that but nah she doesn't she's too slow you think so yeah yeah a lot of people don't understand like speed is everything in this game really more so than size that's why i was saying about like cutting understand speed is everything in this game, really. More so than size. That's why I was saying about cutting weight. Speed is key in this game. And a lot of people get exposed when they're not fast enough. And I don't mean necessarily even just speed physically. It's heavyweight speed physically, but speed and decision making. All that speed is key.

And I don't think Megan Anderson is going to have enough speed to deal with Amanda. Well, you also have to think that Megan Anderson, when she she fought holly holm that was her ufc debut right and that is that octagon shot is legit as fuck we've all had it yeah you see that we've all had it you see that moment where the bright lights hit you for the first time you're like whoa and then also her first fight is against holly fucking home i know jesus christ yeah i mean that's as experienced as you get i mean holly is she's what was she like an 18 time world boxing champion yeah yeah i mean she's yeah she was like 27 and two she has one of until amanda knocked out cyborg she had the greatest highlight reel KO in a championship fight. Well, yeah, in a championship fight. Because I think that Jessica Andrade, when she knocked out-

Karolina? Karolina Kowalkiewicz. Yeah. Yeah, that was a bigger knockout than even Holly Holm. Right, right. It was like one, well, not bigger. It was right up there. Yeah.

It was right up there. But Amanda just took the fucking cake. It was like's like out it's mine she's like you think you saw the best women's mma ko ever hold my beer because it's who she did it to i know i know ah it's everything and she did that even surprise i mean i ain't gonna lie man was surprised. As much as I love Amanda, I hold her dear to my heart. I was even surprised. Dude, she throws bricks. I know. You know what she's like?

She's like a bowling ball on the end of a rope. Yep. Boom. Boom. But have you ever spent time around her and hung out with her? A little bit at the fights when she's not fighting backstage. Very friendly. But this is what I'm saying.

A lot of fighters are like know they can have kind of aggressive personalities yeah she's nothing like that right i mean she likes to sit at home like she she's got instagram pictures like she's cutting the grass and flip-flops i mean she's just so carefree and she just like she likes to play with her dogs in the backyard. Well, I was upset when she was fighting Ronda that all the promos were about Ronda coming back. Yeah, that pissed her off. I said before that, before, when Ronda was about to fight Holly Holm, I said that I disagreed with that fight. I said, I really think Amanda Nunes is the most dangerous challenge for Ronda. I said, because Amanda has a Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu black belt and her hands are what's really scary like when Ronda has to close

the distance to get a hold of you when she gets you on the ground she's armbar on you I felt like Amanda like sizes up with her that's the most dangerous challenge in my opinion but then Holly knocked her out and then when you saw Amanda knock out Ronda, I was like, well, this – how did you guys not see this coming? Like this is not a good matchup. And you spent the entire promo talking about this one person who's not the champion who's coming back after a devastating knockout. And then you didn't show anything about the one person who is the champion who's the first openly gay women's champion in the history of the sport right she's she's the first gay ufc champion yep and she's a fucking destroyer i mean she's exciting as shit and all you're showing is ronda pacing around her mansion

you know ronda getting excited about this fight and thinking I'm going to go out there. I'm like, Jesus Christ. And then backstage, here was what was crazy. I was listening to these agents talk because Rhonda's fights, one of the things that was interesting about it was she was such a force, such a cult of personality that she had all these agents and shit around, like all these, like it was all agentified backstage. So I hear these guys talking and they're like one agent dork is talking to the other agent dork and he goes who's ronda fighting and he's

i forget i'm paraphrasing but he's basically said i don't know who she is but she's a victim like i don't know who it is let's call her so they so they really thought that they had no idea what was gonna happen idea they had no idea i was going to happen? They had no idea. They had no idea. I mean, look, that's what they were hoping. They were hoping that Ronda wins because she's this gigantic superstar. Like if Ronda comes back, beats Amanda Nunes, wins the title back, rematches Holly Holm, beats Holly Holm. Yes, she's back. But instead she gets murked in 48 seconds.

I mean, Amanda just put it on her on and i was saying to them afterwards i goes this is what i was telling you like how the fuck are you not promoting her like what she just did if you put equal time promoting her now you got a new star in your hands instead the story is ronda rousey got smashed the story's not amanda yeah that's where they really dropped the ball even afterwards they didn't they didn't pick up with Amanda. Yes. Yeah, I agree. But it's crazy to me to think that they thought that this was going to be Ronda's comeback to stardom.

And I sent you the breakdown. I sent that to you. I don't know if you saw it. Because I scout all Amanda's opponents, and I do the breakdown. I come up with strategies for her. And after scouting Ronda, I said, this is going to be an easy fight for you. And I told her that.

I said, this is going to be easy. And it turned out to be easy. And it just surprises me that they thought that this was going to be the come out party for Ronda. I didn't talk to Dana about it. I told Dana before I thought it was a terrible matchup for Ronda, but that was before the Holly Holm fight. No, no, no, she got this.

Well, he was saying, I don't know, he thought that i was saying that holly home that ron was going to beat holly i'm like i'm not saying that's easy either that's a tough fight too yeah but the thing about amanda is punching power holly's not known for a punching power no she's known for her speed her kicks her timing her technique her her toughness yeah she's known for all her athleticism endurance physical strength yeah she's known for her athleticism. Physical strength. She's known for all those things. She's not known just to go in there and blast girls.

Amanda blasts people. She puts them into another dimension. She's different in that respect. But they didn't concentrate on that at all. How are you not concentrating on this destroyer that Ronda's about to face? Show the Misha Tate fight and people would just be like, Jesus. Yeah. Beats the fuck out of her, and then strangles her.

You're like, God. I know. That's why it surprised me that they slept on Amanda. I'm like, how y'all sleeping on her? Because it's Hollywood, man. The narrative that they had was Ronda was the best ever, which she was when she was the best. But if you looked at the way she fought Holly, this is my opinion. I feel like there was a million things going on other than just fighting.

There's a million things going on. There's movie offers. There's television shows. There's everybody's, there's agents and deals and books and all this shit is happening. And then she's with Edmund. Okay. She's, she's not an American top team. She's not, she's not dealing with a bunch of people that are being 100%

honest and people who have a deep background of experience of training world class mixed martial arts fighters who recognize the holes in her game, the strengths, the weaknesses. Someone like you who can categorize who she is and how to mold her. There's no great minds

behind her orchestrating this. It's just some guy telling her oh you're great you're getting better and she's holding the mitts and she looks great on the mitts and she does look great on the mitts there's times when she didn't look too bad on the mitts when she fought Bechko and she's in Brazil you're like damn she looks like a fucking kickboxer

but that's there's a big difference between that and then being able to do that on Amanda Nunes there's a big difference between that and then being able to do that on Amanda Nunes. There's a big difference. And you need world-class coaching. You need someone who's going to recognize there's hiccups in what you're doing. There's stages missing.

I mean, one of the things that Greg Jackson said when they prepared her for Holly Holm, or prepared Holly Holm for her, they said, if you look at how she engages, it's always grab with the left arm. It's always grab with the left arm. And they were just, who said, if you look at how she engages, it's always grab with the left arm. It's always grab with the left arm. And they were just, whoop, move out to the side. And if you lock, when she ducked under Ronda's punch and she went to that right side, she's always going to that right side.

And then, boom, there's that head kick. That might have been one of the funniest moments in the history of- When she ducked that punch. Yeah, UFC, when she ducked that punch and she hit the knee and hit the fence. Yeah. I ain't gonna lie, that was pretty funny. Well, it was indicative of some serious errors in preparation. And also, I think the way she fought was just so reckless, just charging forward.

Champions don't fight like that, right? But it's understandable. I'm going to say this in her defense is understandable because that's who she was at the time. She was the greatest ever. So she didn't expect to ever be in her defense is understandable because that's who she was at the time. She was the greatest ever. So she didn't expect to ever be in this position. Right. You know, that's. Yeah.

But. She had an opportunity to correct it. And she dropped the ball on that. Well, here's the thing about Rhonda. She's very smart. She's very, very smart. But she's also very strong minded and willed. I believe.

And there's probably very few people that can pull her aside and go you got to listen to me because you get knocked the fuck out this is real okay you're the great you're the greatest ever of course but this is not how you do this camp this is not how you prepare for this person we need more we need we need different things we don't need you just sparring boxing with people because you're not boxing. You're not going to have these gloves on. We need world-class MMA coaching. We need to figure out how to shoot and land a double.

You can't just be grabbing and clenching because that shit doesn't work on everybody. Right. She almost got choked out by Liz Karmouch. Remember that? Yeah, yeah. Liz had her back for that little bit. She had her back. She was under the chin. Yeah, yeah.

I mean, Ronda just gutted it out and got out of it it she's such a great grappler and her neck is so goddamn strong yeah she gutted it out and made it out of there but that was dangerous yeah her jaw was fucked up after that fight for a long time really yeah from just getting cranked just getting the i mean liz karmush is a she is she's yeah she's she's strong i saw her in the back i was like that's my fucking bitchy strong ass legs she's strong as fuck and she almost the back. I was like, that motherfucking bitch is strong as legs. She's strong as fuck. And she almost pulled it off. I mean, she almost pulled it off from that. That headlock position is a very dangerous position, man. Yeah.

You headlock someone and their legs go around. And if that head pops out, they're on your back. Yeah. It's the worst position if you can't pull it off. Yeah. And that was her thing. Her thing was headlock people flipping to the ground. And it worked on almost everybody.

But it's like, ooh. Eventually, it was going to catch up. Yes. Eventually, it people flipping to the ground. And it worked on almost everybody. But it's like, ooh. Eventually it was going to catch up. Yes. Eventually it was going to catch up. Maybe, maybe not. But the thing is you need, look, you could look at a guy like Mighty Mouse, who we both agree is like the best expression of mixed martial arts talent. That guy does everything. He shoots doubles.

He'll ankle pick you. He'll fucking, he'll hit you with a flying armbar. He'll do whatever the fuck he wants. He could do everything. You can't have, like, you can't have only one approach to success because as soon as someone figures out oh she grabs that left arm i'm just gonna get the fuck out of there i'm not gonna be anywhere near that left arm right yeah well that's what i was saying about speed too like when you look like a guy like mighty mouse like yeah he's doing all that yeah with speed yeah and the precision of his technique

is just like unstoppable ridiculous speed i grabbed him once just joking around backstage and he hit me with two knees to the body i was like jesus it was so fast i was like my brain is too slow to even calculate that you know that that kind of the the move I was like oh you imagine being Henry Cejudo when he fought him and had her experience that and written the first fight yeah in particular realized like oh Jesus I know but Henry Henry came back I was just he made a judge he made an adjustment but I think in a rematch I think I think TJ beats him in a rematch do you think DJ beats him in the rematch I wonder because it was very close yes very close that's what I'm saying it it was a very again eventually it catches up to you but it was also get caught up to

how did he win he won by taking him down yeah he didn't win by dominating him right it's not like how mighty mouse beat him he destroyed him right it's like he could he has a much better chance of finishing so hudo than so hudo has a finishing yeah yeah no doubt yeah so that's why I think DJ if they fought again I think DJ finishes the only guy I think gives DJ a problem and you might not

you might not know who well we haven't seen TJ at 125 yet right but Kyoji Horiguchi really oh my god

but he beat Horiguchi he did yeah but that was years ago really yeah that was years ago he armbarred he dominated him and then armbarred with one second to go he did he did but that was years ago. Really? Yeah, that was years ago. He armbarred he dominated him and then He did but fuck the mo

This guy but this guy's got speed coaching Horiguchi. I've worked with him a little bit, but I'm not like his main guy Right, but this guy's got speed Unbelievable speed. He's got serious knockout power and serious knockout power I have to say yeah, I believe you I thinkout power. I have to see. Yeah. I believe you. Because you know your shit. I think he gives DJ. I'm not saying that he will beat him.

If they ever fight. I'm just saying. But he could. He could. I would have thought Scoggins was a real threat. When I first saw Scoggins, I was like, this guy. He should have been. He should have been. Yeah.

I was like, this guy with that style, that karate style, but also can wrestle. I think that had to do more with coaching than anything, though. And I hate to say that because he's probably got a coach right now listening but i really do think that is like maybe not really filling in his holes you know because he's got a lot to work with like you said like that karate style he can wrestle i'm sure he's got decent submissions but he's probably got some holes coaching is so critical you coaching can take a guy who could be a journeyman and turn him into a world champion there's there's there's this pivot like the fights you choose the things you do when you do them you know when when to say no to things when to say yes to things yeah guidance and coaching yeah but the problem with fighters man is they

so damn hard-headed yeah you have to be right yeah you have crazy beliefs yeah yeah you do you got you have to and that's like like we were saying earlier like amanda she hard-headed sometimes you know like yeah but that's what got her her success but most fighters are hard-headed and are in a position to be hard-headed right and that's like the hard part is like you're trying to tell them listen you need to listen to me right now. No, I got this. And then their careers just. It's crazy because that's what made them a fighter in the first place. Right.

Tell everybody else to fuck off. Yeah, that's it. Stepfather beat their ass and they left the house. They're 16. Fuck you. I'll show the world. Some fucking girl dumped them in high school. And that's happened to me and shit.

That's what happened to me. And then next thing I know, I'm out there and I'm fucking getting in the cage. I feel bad for dudes who didn't get dumped I do why that? because it's good for you yeah it taught me a lot man

I remember my girlfriend in high school dumped me I was devastated for months just devastated but then I realized what the fuck is wrong with me and I thought

imagine if I married that girl imagine if I had kids with her and every day was just torture her bitching at me and controlling and i got light i got off light well here's one for you then joe well same thing happened to me i got dumped in high school yeah the girl started dating another dude i ended up hitting this motherfucker in the head with a wrench. A wrench? Yeah, I ended up hitting this motherfucker in the head with a wrench. Why'd you hit him in the head with a wrench? I don't know.

He pissed me off. Oh. He pissed me. He made me so mad. Did he make you mad because he was banging the girl, or did he make you mad on top of that? On top of that. Yeah. So I ended up hitting him, and then I ended up going to jail.

Damn. And I ended up doing 52 weekends in jail. Damn. But within that time. Every weekend? Every weekend. And I had to go in on friday four year come out on sunday oh four year so i couldn't leave i couldn't leave my city so in that time

i taught myself how to fight that's why i'm here today wow yeah and during the weekends uh-huh no so uh during the week because i couldn't leave so i would just i work and then me and paul riguez he fought 20 of the suzerain uc 32 then me and Paul Rodriguez He fought Tony D'Souza In UFC 32 Yeah Me and him We trained We taught ourselves how to fight

In the backyard Watching videotapes Wow Tony D'Souza The originator of the Peruvian necktie Yep Yep That's where that came from

Is that really where that came from? Yes He's Peruvian No kidding That's where that came from huh? Yeah Yeah That Peruvian necktie is a motherfucker

That's a great move That was Tony's shit Yeah I incorporate that in one of my systems man i love that movie he's a hell of a grappler yeah yeah so he ended up choking out uh paul arregas ufc 32 and that was the night i got knocked out by bj wow yeah but it all happened because I got dumped. Wow. That's crazy. You hit him with a wrench, huh? Yeah. Ouch. Yeah, I know. I ain't proud of it.

Yeah. How old were you? I was 17. Yeah. Frontal cortex not even fully formed. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like, you know, you make dumb decisions. You're 17.

Like, you with a girl at 17 for two years, that's half your damn life. I know, right? You know, so you thinking that's the one. Also, like, the heartbreak, if you're not accustomed to it, like, everybody experiences heartbreak.

Somebody breaks up with you, like, oh, I feel like shit. But then you call your friends up, like, come on, man, we'll go out, get a couple drinks. Then you have a couple drinks,

like, ah, whatever. And then you get a text from an ex, and you're like, oh, shit, we're back in the game. And you'll be all right you know that girl yeah i'm all right i think it's good to get broken up with it is good you learn you know you learn

you also you learn why you were annoying to her you know like there's some stupid shit that you're doing that you don't even realize you're doing but you're doing it and then it becomes a pattern you do it again and again and again then finally they dump you and then you get some reflection time you're like oh why am i so annoying yeah i remember hearing you say talk about that before about like self-reflection and awareness and like that's so important man it's critical being real to yourself and aware and being aware of where you are in relation to everybody else in the world i try to coach myself do you yeah i try to sit down with myself and when i do like meditation sessions and shit i try to pretend that i myself and when i do like meditation sessions and shit

i try to pretend that i'm like a coach and i'm looking at myself honestly i was like all right dude you ain't spending nearly enough time doing this like you need to fix that like yeah yeah you're right no man that's great i had to start doing that because it's a skill like like you have to like develop it because i think like that's part of most people's problems is that they're not aware of where they are in life you know another product problem that people have too is momentum they get caught up in momentum of doing stupid shit yeah or momentum of being lazy or momentum of eating bad or drinking or whatever it is that does that's bad yeah they can't break that you get caught up and you need to stop reflection.

And that's one of the reasons why I think meditation is so important. Oh, yeah. I meditate every day. Do you? Yeah. How do you do it? What do you do? I lay down and close my eyes.

So what I do is I'll start with some self-talk first just to get me going. Self-talk, positive affirmation statements. Just lay down, quiet for about 10 minutes. Can you give me an example of what kind. Self-talk, positive affirmation statements. Just lay down, quiet, for about 10 minutes. Can you give me an example of what kind of self-talk? What kind of positive affirmation? Just, you know, I appreciate life. Appreciate where I'm at. I'm going to keep going.

I'm doing, you know, just every day strive to be better. Or I'll get even more detailed. I do a lot of entertainment, try to do a lot of entertainment stuff, so I want to get better at public speaking. So I'll try to talk myself into it. You do a little stand-up. Yeah, I do stand-up. I do every so often. I heard you're funny.

I heard you're funny. Not at the Dime Bar last time I was there. That's tough. That Dime Bar is sketchy. Is it really? Yeah. Well, good. That makes me feel better. Yeah, Jeremy Piven said the same thing. He said, last time I was there. That's tough. That Dime Bar is sketchy. Is it really? Yeah. Oh, well, good. That makes me feel better.

Yeah. Jeremy Piven said the same thing. He said, yeah, I bombed. I was like, not when I was there. Yeah. But no, so I'm intelligent. I'm smart. I'm going to make it.

I got this. I'm making lots of money. I try to talk myself into that. And then for the next 20 minutes or so, I just sit in silence and just let all that soak in. Do you concentrate on your breathing or any more particular things? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because if I get distracted, like noise or whatever, I have to center it back to my breathing. Yeah, that's the big one for me.

I've tried a bunch of different styles of meditation, but the one that I like the best, especially in the tank, is breathing. You bring shorts with you? Today? Yeah. No, but. Have you done the tank? No, what is that? You never heard about it?

No, I've never done that. You could do it today. Yeah, yeah. I want to do the tank. Okay, we'll set it up. I want to do it. Yeah. It's right on here.

I'll show it to you afterwards. Somebody said something about some tank. Yeah. What is that? I don't even know what that is. There's only one guy who's used this tank other than me, unless Jamie's been sneaking here in the middle of the night, is Dan Harris from Good Morning America. He's used it because he's a big meditator.

I set him up with it. But it's amazing. It's a tank that's filled up. It's a flotation tank. It was made by this guy named John Lilly, who is a psychedelic adventurer and a pioneer in interspecies communication. He was working on trying to communicate with dolphins. He would take acid and get in the tank and take acid and give dolphins acid. And he was out of his fucking mind. Lily was a real trip. You know, his books are amazing. He

was like a super genius who was, he was going through his career during this psychedelic revolution, like the Timothy Leary's and all those people of the time, Terrence McKenna. And he was trying to figure out a way to separate the mind from the body. And one of the things that he realized is like sensory input. Like you and I are sitting here. Your butt is touching the chair. Your feet are touching the floor.

You feel the table. All that stuff, those are signals. Those signals go to your brain. Your brain is touching the chair. Your feet are touching the floor. You feel the table. All that stuff, those are signals. Those signals go to your brain. Your brain's processing that. And the analogy that I always make is imagine if you and I were having this conversation, but right over there, there was a dude with a jackhammer. Just da-da-da-da-da-da-da. We could still talk, but it would be super distracting.

Right. And maybe you wouldn't be able to express yourself the right way because you would be taking in the input of all that noise. So we'd be like, hey, man, let's go talk over there where it's quiet. And you go talk over there and it would be easier because there'd be no distraction. Well, your whole body's a distraction. Everything's a distraction. Sitting down's a distraction.

The lights in this room are a distraction. The fact that Jamie's here and the table's here and you're taking into account all the objects around you and this is all input. Without input, your brain becomes a very different thing so in the tank the water is heated to 94 degrees that's the temperature of the surface of your skin then there's a thousand pounds of epsom salts in the water so which is really good because your body gets the magnesium from that but also really good because you float like a motherfucker you lie in that thing and half the your body is above the surface of the water.

You're just floating because there's so much salt. It's so dense. And then you lay back and then you close the door. Total darkness. You don't see anything. You open your eyes just as dark as when you close your eyes. Then total silence. Your ears are underwater. You're just laying there floating in this water and once

you center, because you kind of wiggle around a little bit because the water's swishing you, because you step into it and you got to let the water settle and relax and then let your arms settle. And you can't tell where the water is and where the air is because it's all the same temperature. Because the water is the same temperature as your skin. You don't feel the water after a while and you get relaxed.

So then when I'm in the tank, then I concentrate on my breathing. All I'm concentrating is in with the good, out with the bad. In with the good, out with the bad. I'm just concentrating in, breathing through my nose, out through my mouth. And I'm only letting myself concentrate on the nose. But I don't think about stupid shit like, gotta clean my closet and i gotta do this and i haven't been in yoga in a week and i have but all those thoughts eventually will go away i just gotta go don't do that don't do that don't think about that like man i need i think about lisa my car's

up soon and you can't let those right right you just gotta think of the breathing in through the nose out through the mouth and you never i never in my times of doing this, I've never had a pure experience where I didn't have to fight off those thoughts. Some people think they, oh, one day you'll get to a point where you just, oh, I've never had that. Never been there. I try all the time.

But when you have the absence, in the absence of any sensory input, your brain becomes supercharged. You could see your life much more clearly. There's nothing there but you and your thoughts. Your mind you could see your life much more clearly there's nothing there but you and your thoughts your mind is detached from your body this is what lily figured out he figured out a way to separate the body from the mind damn but you sure i'm a float because you know black people don't swim dude i don't swim either oh really sink like a rock all right good

yeah did i sing like a rock do you i barely good. Yeah. Did I sink like a rock? Do you? I barely can tread water. Barely. Even in the ocean, I struggle. All right, because I ain't trying to die in your tank. Yeah, you're dense, man. I'm sure you... But that thing is so... There's so much salt in that water, everybody floats.

Oh, yeah. Everybody floats, yeah. It's basically like it has to be stirred up every day. There's a pump that constantly circulates it. It's got all these water purification tanks that are attached to it. There's purification filters, rather, for like – there's giant – the guy who made it is my friend Crash, who runs the Float Lab in Venice, which is the premier distributor of float tanks. They make the best shit on the planet, bar none. He's a mad scientist.

When you see the whole setup back there, you realize there's so much salt in it that it has to constantly be recycled and move through otherwise it'll crystallize and you get these giant salt rocks that you can pull out of there yeah so it's gonna constantly you're gonna float you'll float like it's gonna be beautiful it'll be like that baby in nirvana just floating around there oh you're gonna love it it's amazing yeah i definitely want to try it yeah it's but i feel like att could benefit from having one of those down there. It's a really good thing for fighters. It's a really good thing for relaxing. Like Epsom salt baths, right?

That's giant for just loosening your muscles and relaxing. Good therapy after you train. That's the more Epsom salts you're ever going to get in a fucking bathtub. That is real Epsom salts. You put that thing around a bunch of fighters, that has staph and shit. Jack and shit. Worm and shit. One of the Brazilians is going to get in a fucking bathtub yeah that is real epsom salts you put that thing around a bunch of fighters that have staff and shit and worm and shit in there one of the brazilians gonna steal it right att has uh you guys have dorms too right yeah we got dorms that's crazy yeah it's great though i mean it really it's really helpful to the guys because we got at all times we got like Brazilians and Dagestani guys.

Yeah. And Greg living there. Yeah. It's crazy. Yeah. Yeah. It's amazing. I mean, it's good, though, man.

I mean, it's the best gym on the planet. Can't complain. But certainly one of them. I mean, in terms of the actual overall facility, I don't think there's another facility like it on Earth. No. It's number one, right? In terms of the size. Yeah, size.

And all what Dan Lambert has done. Like fucking God bless Dan Lambert. That guy has put more money into the development of MMA than anybody other than the Fertitta. Yeah, and there's absolutely no doubt about that. I can't think of another guy who has been around as long and has pumped more of his own money into just helping guys. And he's such a good guy helping guys and he's such a good guy yeah he's such a good guy and a fucking real man yeah yeah man's man but not just a rich guy that's throwing his money and he fucking trains he trains his black belt yeah he's legit like he

in his house he had a gym and he used to have all the dudes come over back in the day more of the booster mansions armory potential come over The Nogueira brothers Be there training with him Yeah He's legit Yeah But he loves it I mean he legitimately Loves the sport

Like when Amanda won And he was in the cage He was so happy He probably shed a tear Crying and shit He's a legit dude man Yeah He's very legit

But what he's done is amazing Because he had an amazing gym already And then he built This gigantic fucking facility Built it from the ground up Specifically for that. Yeah, I know. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Like, yeah, you're right. He bought the land and built the gym on top of it. Who the fuck does that? Everybody else just goes to a warehouse and goes, yeah, okay, we'll set up the cage over here. No, he designed it. I know. I wish they designed it a little differently, though, because I would like to have seen the pros separate it. How so?

From, like like general population. Oh, I see what you're saying. You know, like, and that's something that might, I mean, it's easy to look back hindsight and say, yeah, it was better if they were separated. But like now it's kind of like, you kind of want to separate your pros from like, you know, five-year-olds taking class, you know.

Right, right. You know, Arlovsky walking around with no shirt on and his hairy chest bumping into like some old lady who's there with her grandson, you know? You look at his nose, you're like, what happened to that guy? Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a bit scary, you know? So, I mean, it just, you know, my selfishness is like,

oh, man, we need to stay on the side so we can. Yeah, yeah. Well, how many regular folks do you have coming into that gym? Like regular folks? Yeah. Oh, I mean, it's a whole thing of like regular folks. Really?

Yeah. So, like classes for little kids classes for little kids you know regular jujitsu and watching guys banging out in the same well we do i mean we do a good enough job of having the bang out sessions in the morning oh but like at night you know they're still running you know the fighters are still running around acting a fool you know is there good pictures of what it looks like online? Yeah. Yeah, I think. Google American Top Team. American Top Team, the new gym in particular.

Fucking incredible facility, man. Yeah. How much did that shit cost? I don't know. I don't know. It was so expensive. Just to land alone. To think about it.

Look at that place. I mean, it's South Florida, too. Yeah, it's expensive as shit. That's an amazing facility, too. And they have a giant, look how big the mat space is. Holy shit. Stadium stairs or seats. Yeah.

They have a whole strength and conditioning set up down there, too, right? Yeah, they go to the other end of that where you see that man hand, the strength and conditioning side over there and kickboxing side. That's amazing. Yeah, I mean, that's what everybody hopes for. I mean, how many people must move down there just to be able to train there? You know, honestly, we don't. I mean, we do get a lot of people that move down there just to train there.

But I think we do better with guys who come and just do camp. Really? Yeah. How come? I don't know. I don't know. We just seem to. Because come and just do camp. Really? Yeah. How come? I don't know. I don't know. We just seem to, because we can provide for them. We have dorms.

Right, right. Yeah, so we have dorms. So it seems to work out better for most guys where they live somewhere else, and then they want to just come do camps. They come for six weeks. They stay in a dorm for six weeks. We tighten them up. Boom.

Yeah. Who does that a lot of people do well robbie was doing that right yeah no robbie actually moved down he moved down yeah robbie moved down um tyron was doing that right not really tyron comes down whenever he feels like it but he does his camps in milwaukee with we go to duke Rufus's what do you think about him fighting Usman I like Usman it's a great fight yeah I've always liked Usman I like him as a fighter for sure yeah I don't know him as a person but as a fighter he's fucking terrifying yeah he's he's super smart yeah he's really good he's very versatile he can do everything yeah so that's why I think it's

more of a challenge than colby yeah because usman brings more to the table striking striking power wise power and the the colby thing though was in terms of like a marketing fight like i felt like that was a very good fight marketing wise yeah i think they could have had that fight stand alone yeah you know i don't wonder why they didn't do that i think but you know i don't think they could have had that fight stand alone yeah you know i don't wonder why they didn't do that i think but you know i don't think they could have had that fight stand alone they didn't need john jones and anthony smith i think colby talks a lot of shit i don't think he doesn't just talk shit when the cameras are on i bet he talks shit all the time i don't know like you know me like we had colby in camp sometimes and like i remember when he first started fighting and we was always

cordial but now you know i'm saying, I don't even talk to him. He goes his way in the gym. We pass each other all the time. Just as awkward. Yeah. You know, it's like he's talking about my homeboy. He's talking about Tyron. You know what I'm saying? He's dogging him out.

You know? But you also know that he's got to do that. Yeah, I do. That's the only reason he gets the fight. But listen, I'll say this, too. Like, even though I know that, I'm still, like, happy for him. I'm happy that he was able to get the success he's gotten, whether it was from talking or not.

He still won the fights. He still beat Dos Anjos. Yeah. And he beat Dos Anjos convincingly. Yeah. He beat Maya. He beat Dos Anjos. So he still won.

He talked a lot and I'm happy for him. But, but I was just hoping that, you know, it's time to face the music. You deserve this ass whooping. Well, I think the UFC offered him Usman.

And I think he said no. I think he said he wants to fight Tyron. And they're like, you're not in any position to decide. And even though they had promised him a shot at the title before, Ben Askren said, did you believe Dana White? Askren tweeted to him. I love Ben. He's the most ruthless when it comes to Twitter. He's the most ruthless.

He's so honest. He's hilarious, too. Check under your skirt, man. Ben will get you. It's a great fight, though. Usman and Tyron, I'm not mad at the fight. I do kind of wish that Colby was getting the shot because I want to see that fight, and I don't know if I will ever see that fight.

Like, Tyron's mad. He doesn't like Colby. Yeah. He doesn't like him, man. He's angry. Yeah. An angry Tyron is a scary human being. Yeah.

He might be the fastest, hardest-hitting 170-pounder that's ever lived. Yeah. Who the fuck is faster than Tyron? Who the fuck hits harder? You look at his fights with Wonderboy. Wonderboy recognizes one of the greatest strikers in the sport ever. The only person who got hurt in those fights was Wonderboy. The same thing with Darren Till.

Darren Till's a motherfucker on the feet. Tyron shut that shit up quick. Blam! One big right hand drops him beats the fuck out of him chokes the shit out of him well here's the thing man is it you know it's coming too yep like every like you just can't prepare for it yeah it's so fast yeah you know it's coming you're like here it comes here it comes oh there it is bow well you gotta engage and the thing about tyrant too is he's intelligent and patient yeah and he'll just he'll just hang around on the

outside he'll hang around the outside come on yeah i know you want to do this make a mistake yeah make a mistake make a mistake the wonder boy fights like people are saying all those fights are boring you have to fight wonder boy that way yeah how else do you fight him there's not another way to fight him there's no other way you're gonna lose yeah this is the way to fight him you have to fight that way if you don't fight that way you get fucked up if you fight the way to fight him. You have to fight that way. If you don't fight that way, you get fucked up. If you fight the way, you know, fucking... Jake Ellenberger. Yeah.

Yeah, you get wheel kicked in the head. Yeah. Yeah, you fight the way Hendrix fought him. You get fucked up. You get fucked up. Yeah, you've got to fight that way. You've got to stay on the outside. You can't give in to those feints.

And he's going to hit you with them little pity pats and tips and taps because he's trying to tag you and touch you before the big ones come in. And he's elusive and he's clever and he's a lot quicker than you think. He also bends at the waist like a goddamn cobra. Yeah, yeah. He's very good at bending at the waist and then coming back with punches. Yeah. He's a dangerous fighter. And Woodley fought him the perfect way, and he did it twice.

Yeah. And people are like, oh, that's boring. But that's Wonderboy. That's what it is. I know. You either be exciting and you get fucked up, or you fight in a cautious, intelligent way, and the fans boo. See, Joe, I got you all wrong.

How so? I thought you hated Tyron. Why would I hate Tyron? I don't know. You know what I'm saying? Because everybody kind of always had- I think? I thought you hated Tyron. Why would I hate Tyron? I don't know. You know what I'm saying? Because everybody kind of always had- I think Tyron thinks everybody hates Tyron. Yeah, maybe we talked-

You don't go and listen to the shit I've talked about Tyron. It's all positive. Yeah, we've never actually talked about it. But it just seems like everybody wants to jump on him no matter what. No. Yeah. Not me. No.

I think if he's not the greatest welterweight of all time he's in the running because like matt hughes i feel like you have to give legend respect to because matt hughes was the first yeah matt hughes was a was a powerful wrestler that was the first guy to embrace submissions you look when matt hughes beat george saint pierre and he hit him with that far side arm bar that's spin on the counter to the Kimura. Yeah. That's some high level shit. He fucked up Frank Trigg twice, took his back and strangled him.

Matt Hughes was the first high level wrestler, tough as shit, strong as a goddamn gorilla, who embraced submissions. And did it in a really intelligent and effective way. He was like, I feel like he was the first. Yeah, so you got to give him his props. He gets legend props. Then George St. Pierre is number one after that because George St. Pierre was the fucking full package. He could do everything.

He figured out how to beat everybody, and he beat everybody for a long time. Then there's Woodley, and I feel like I look at Woodley and George St. Pierre, and I feel Woodley matches up very well and George St. Pierre and I feel Woodley matches up very well with George St. Pierre and I would

I would have loved to see I think George is still look if you look the way George looked against Michael Bisping he still looks like he's in his prime and he hasn't

he didn't he fought very well in that fight and I think his submissions are probably even better the way he took Michael Bisping's back and choked him

like motherfucker still got it. Well, you know, he's working with Donahurst, so that guy's a wizard. Wizard. Yeah. That fight, I'm very curious to see. And I feel like if George really wanted to come back with a big challenge and have a big, gigantic,

you know, epic super fight, I feel like Tyron Woodley, A, deserves it, and B, matches up with him very well. I mean, that's a very interesting fight to me. The other interesting fight to me with George is Khabib. If he could really get down 155 pounds, which he says he can't, that's super interesting. Yeah, I'll say.

What do you think about George and Ben? I like that too. Yeah. I like that too. I like Ben against Khabib and Ben? I like that too Yeah I like that too I like that I like Ben against I like Ben against Khabib Yeah

I like that I like that a lot I like that a lot Because Ben is bigger He's strong as shit And you don't get better Wrestling credentials No

The problem like with MMA Is like you get all these fights These like fantasy fights That you want to make But you can't make them Yeah Because A lot of politics involved

but at least everybody's under the roof right like before it was like when fedor was over in pride like god damn i want to get him over here i want to get him over there so bad but that never happened you know and then when he finally made it to strike force he was kind of it wasn't the same guy anymore he had some miles on him long fights just didn't look't the same guy anymore. He had some miles on him, long fights. Just didn't look physically the same as he looked back when he fought like Mirko Krokop or Noguera. I mean, he was a goddamn destroyer. Yeah. I always wanted to see him fight in the UFC.

I think he could have been UFC champion. I really do. Yeah, back in his prime? Yeah, for sure. Because he was like the first dude that was really like mauling guys mauling the way he was mauling and like with his ground and pound yeah and that's something that like i don't think with the exception of khabib nobody else has actually recreated the type of violence that he put when he got on top of people he would hurl himself into you and throw bombs yeah he would

fuck people up man and And also could catch submissions In a blink of an eye Yeah Off his back even Yeah Remember when he fought Randleman Yeah Randleman sent him flying

Suplexes him He lands on his head He lands like that On his neck and his shoulder And then seconds later He catches Randleman In a Kimura And finishes him

Uh huh He's like watch this Yeah Good for you That's adorable Now watch my turn Yeah Yeah Fedor was the man Like it sucks Like this generation Like, watch this. Yeah. Good for you. That's adorable. Now watch my turn.

Yeah. Yeah. Fedor was the man. Like, it sucks. Like, this generation of MMA fans that we have today don't have that type of history. Yeah. And they don't know. They don't know, like, the real Fedor. And they see him now in Bellator.

I'm just thinking, yeah. You're not getting a chance to see the real Fedor. You're not seeing Fedor from the early days. Yeah. He was so good. He was so fast, too. Yeah. I mean, he was just everything.

He had the full package. He could smash you standing up. He could submit you on the ground, ground and pound the fuck out of you. He could do everything. Yeah. And he was just terrifying because he looked like a robot i know just did no no expression no emotion i was with jeff munson when jeff munson fought him in russia and when jeff was walking out it looked like a man walking to his death i swear to god and then when they fought it was the worst beating i've ever seen

a human being take yeah munson took some beatings too man and he was getting kicked in like he broke his femur he was from from leg kicks really yeah he was getting kicked in the leg so bad and just falling down and oh it was it was a scary night i felt so bad for monson is monson in russian now doesn't he speak russian and he wants to be a communist? He does, right? He does. I'm not sure if that's the term he would use, but he's- Socialist? Yeah, socialist, Marxist, whatever he wants to call himself.

But he's in between like Russia, England, and South Florida. Really? He like bounces around. Is he still fighting? And every so often I'm like, yeah, I got a weird fight and I'm fighting in Russia or I'm fighting in Africa or like these weird places where they're fighting. Or he like just had like a wrestling match against like Tim Sylvia. He's doing like all this weird stuff that no other human being does. Dude, when he was at the top of the grappling world, he was like wrestling a building.

Yeah. It was like wrestling a building. He was so jacked. So jacked and he was so good at what he did. He didn't have a diverse skill set, but he'd beat everybody two to nothing. Yeah. You know what he did? He also was one of the first guys to use the north-south choke, but he was so strong.

I talked to some Brazilian jiu-jitsu guys, and I was like, is that legit? He's like, I think he just gooned him yeah just grab his neck and gooned him yeah but then Marcelo Garcia started hitting people with that and then everybody's like okay wait a minute what's going on here yeah what is this guy doing and then you realize like oh you can you can get it in the right way right right right you can north-south choke a real black belt yeah you can nobody Monson was one of the first guys to show that but he's so big and strong You can north-south choke a real black belt. Yeah. You can. Monson was one of the first guys to show that, but he was so big and strong.

But he was just squeezing with his sweaty armpit. But we're right, Marcelo Garcia. In fact, Marcelo Garcia taught me how he did it and how he does it, and he showed me the finer details of it. And I was actually working with Hani Yaya yesterday. That guy can squeeze some necks. That guy can squeeze. That guy's got to squeeze. And he was doing it to me yesterday, too. I was like working with Hanayaya yesterday that guy can squeeze some necks that guy can squeeze that guy's gotta squeeze and he was doing it to me yesterday

too I was like you got this he's weird too because you look at his body you're like how is that guy a grappler he doesn't like if you look at Monson

you're like oh that guy looks like a grappler Hanayaya looks like like a kid who plays soccer not even he looks like he's never done anything athletic in his life

like he's like really yeah athletic in his life. Meanwhile. Yeah, he's like flimsy. He gets a hold of the knapsack. His grappling ability, the way he moves. I think he's a black belt under Hickson. Is he really? He's either a black belt under Hickson or he's most certainly coached by Hickson. Because I remember Hickson was with him in some of his early fights.

Ah. He worked with Hickson. There was some sort of connection He worked with Hickson. There was some sort of connection between him and Hickson. But his strangles in particular are unbelievable. He's so good. I've seen him tap out

a lot of good guys in the gym. I believe it. A lot of good guys. And it's like, they're just different. They're just, you know what it is? It's not that they're different.

They do it right. Yeah. You know? They do it right. And also they develop a skill, like what it is it's not that they're different they do it right yeah you know and also they develop a skill like whatever it is you know some guys just have a triangle to stay the fuck out of his guard the guy just has a triangle that you just can't get there's certain guys who just get really proficient at one particular maneuver yeah and hanyaya was like his his chokes were just nasty. Yeah, so I'm working with him now on some ground and pound stuff to try to incorporate that into his game. Is he in South Florida as well? Yeah, he's in South Florida too.

Wow, South Florida. Goddamn hotbed. Now, what do you think about altitude training? I mean, obviously it has to work, right? Yeah. I mean, I tried it. I don't think it worked for me. Maybe I just didn't believe in it at the time, but it has to work because, I mean, I it i don't think it worked for me maybe i just didn't believe in it

at the time but it has to work because i mean i don't know maybe everybody does it so it has to work it seems like it would work scientifically right increases red blood cells yeah it should work it should definitely increase your endurance but tj dillashaw disagrees really and he's got incredible endurance yeah and he you know he works with that Calavita guy. And what their take is is that your ability to work is compromised when you perform and train at altitude. So even though your body produces more red blood cells, you're not working as hard because you just can't. There's not enough air. So the idea is I've heard that you should train at sea level but then sleep at high altitude.

And TJ, I believe TJ said that that's not even, they don't even think that's the case anymore. I think you're better off just with all that air just for recuperation and just higher work output. Higher work output and heart rate monitoring and making sure that you're doing like Tabata intervals, things like that, where you recover and making sure that all that's monitored, that it's done scientifically.

Yeah, I don't know, man. It's hard to go against TJ because I've never even seen him breathe harder to fight. It's incredible. Yeah, so it's hard to go against what he's saying. But I kind of like the idea of that you know i mean i just you know i'm kind of an old school guy so i don't really believe in all the bells and whistles and gadgets and i guess what tj saying is just work harder yeah well he he does a lot of calisthenics a lot of explosive stuff a lot of like plyometrics and you ever see the shit that he does down in the garage

no the guy's name is calavita right sam yeah and he's apparently i've never worked with the guy or even talked to him but massive respect from so many different fighters to train with him aaron pico's down there with oh really yeah and this guy is just a master of strength and conditioning look they're doing a bunch of this kind of shit, jumping over strings and bobbing and weaving under them. And Calavita's got them all wearing heart rate monitors. There's no guesswork to the training. The training is all really well thought out, and it's all mostly that kind of stuff.

Plyometrics, box jumps, medicine ball work, that kind of shit. And, you know, I mean, you can't deny that TJ's in phenomenal shape. And that guy never gets fat, never takes time off. But isn't this in Colorado? No, it's here now. Oh, it's here. Yeah, they have a new gym. They call it the training lab, but the word train is has the word rain in it like

mark muñoz style like rain gym so t-r-e-i-n yeah yeah and um they they put together a gym and so he's down here now and duane goes back and forth you know from colorado to here duane still has a school in colorado and he comes back here to train t so but who does TJ do work with as far as skill wise while he's here I think Munoz and him are doing wrestling he's got a bunch of people down there a bunch of jiu-jitsu people and then also like I said Aaron Pico's down there who's very high level bunch of bunch of different guys are training them and I'm really interested to see how he does at 125 how his body does with that massive weight cut. I mean, and this is the one thing I like about TJ is that I don't think he's doing it just because he feels like he's going to be better at 125.

I think he's doing it because it's a challenge. Yeah. Because he's also said he's willing to go up to 145 to fight Max Holloway. Yeah. So I'm kind of rooting for him. I'd love to see how he performs at 125. Yeah. He says he can make it, no problem. Wow, that'll be interesting.

He's so lean. You look at him now, he's leaner than he's ever looked before. I mean, he's shredded now. He looks like he's ready to weigh in now. Really? You know what I'm saying? You know how guys look so lean when they're weighing in, and then they fill up a little bit when they add water?

He looks like that now. Yeah. I mean, whether or not he's got too little body fat i mean is there a point of diminishing returns you know what that's that's a big question and that's the way i always see it too whenever guys cut too much weight the returns aren't the same like you just you're depleting yourself too much almost like the same concept is that if you are so concerned about your weight your output as far as like skill training and physical training isn't the same yeah look at him there shredded that's yesterday shredded shredded well look at that that's ridiculous is he is he working with somebody on his weight cut

or is it just uh i think calavita works with them on that as well it works with them with the nutrition i mean that guy is supposed to be a real mad scientist i need to talk to that gentleman and have him in here but he's um you know this is in the garage they got any videos them training together yeah so his nutritional analysis oh this is what he has? Yeah. Set up for it. Oh, he's got an app? Yeah, yeah. Jesus. Yep, yep. Jesus. Yeah, become a fat-burning machine. Ooh, I want to be a fat-burning machine. Virtual training.

Yeah. I'm interested to see how he performs against Cejudo, because Cejudo has a hard time making that weight as well. Yeah. I mean, I can imagine that. UFC made him fight at 135 for a bit because he kept missing weight. I mean, have you ever seen the size of his head? It's a big boy. He's got a Tito head. Yeah, he's got a Tito mean, you ever seen the size of his head? It's a big boy.

He's got a Tito head. Yeah, he's got a Tito head. He's got a big head. It takes a good one. Yeah. You know, those big-headed dudes take a shot. Yeah, man, listen. But he's, you know, for a wrestler, man, like, he can box.

Well, the Wilson Hayes fight. Yeah. You know what I mean? And he fought karate style in that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. By, like, sideways. I mean, but when you can wrestle that good, you can afford to be in any stance you want

because you can always just adjust and revert back to your wrestling position. Yeah, that's true. Yeah. But I don't know. That's an interesting fight I'm looking for. That's next week. I can't wait to that, man.

That is next week. That's the 19th, right? Yeah. Are you going out to that? No, that's Brooklyn. Yeah, that's ESPN card. I'm not doing that one. I only do North American pay-per-view now.

That's it. Oh. Big time, man. Too busy. Too busy? Too busy. Yeah. The show's on the road?

It's that. I travel too much as it is. And I don't want to do that. I don't like going to Australia and shit anymore. I love Australia, but that fucking, that wrecks you for two weeks. Yeah. I feel you. Yeah.

No, I know you. I know you, B. I saw you do stand-up in Boston. Yeah, I'm just too busy. When you opened for Shaw. Oh, that was right? Yeah. That was fun.

Yeah. That was fun. I was proud of him, man. Shaw's killing it. He's about to do his special. Really? That's why, where I'm going to be on the 19th, I'm going to be with him. He's recording a Showtime special down in San Diego.

No kidding. Yeah. Yeah, because I'm like, damn, because he's only done comedy for a year or something. Two years now. For two years. A little over two years. And I saw him, it was like a year ago. Maybe not.

Yeah, maybe a year ago. And he was doing comedy for a year, and he had an hour show. And it's good. Yeah, and it was good. Yeah, and I'm thinking, I've dabbled in it for a couple years and i got five minutes not even i got i got a week five he's out there doing it every night that's the thing you got to do it every night i mean he's performing with me tonight at the improv oh yeah yeah yeah you got to do it every night it's like it's sort of like like you

can't be good at jujitsu if you don't have endurance from rolling. Right. You got to roll. You got to do comedy all the time. You got to get in that mind zone. There's like a hypnosis zone of stand up. Yeah, that same thing Jim Norton told me. Yeah. Yeah. But I mean, my whole thing was like, I'm not really in love with stand up like that to go out and want to do it every night.

You got to love it. Yeah. It'll grind you. And when you eat shit, like you bombed the dime bar. You know what that feels like? Yeah. Yeah. Not a good feeling I'm like man

that shit worked one time how come that joke worked one time now that shit don't work well Shab treats it like

a professional athlete and this is one of the things I say to young comedians when they say how is he doing so good so quick I'm like listen to me you lazy fuck

you don't even write you barely perform you do like the same five minutes over and over again night after night Say, how is he doing so good so quick? I went, listen to me. You lazy fuck. You don't even write. You barely perform. You do like the same five minutes over and over again, night after night, without any improvements. I go, this guy's treating it like a professional athlete would treat it. That's the difference. Yeah. Being a funny guy already, he's funny.

Having a good mind and then having discipline. Just discipline where you analyze your shit and you work on it and you get better. It's possible. He's on an accelerated program. The most accelerated. I never heard anybody doing an hour special two years in. Yeah, that's why I was like, damn, he's killing it. Killing it.

Yeah, and he's cool too, man. He responds to my texts and shit like that. You know what I'm saying? Some people, they get all high. Big time. Yeah, big time. He's a great guy. He's like a genuine good person. Yeah. You look forward to seeing him succeed. Yeah, and get all high. Big time. Yeah, big time. He's a great guy. He's like a genuine good person. Yeah.

You look forward to seeing him succeed. Yeah, and I like this. You said it was funny, but it was honest. Yeah. Where he's talking about his career and his life is honest. Yeah. A lot of people aren't willing to be that vulnerable. Right.

Yeah. They want to be the cool guy all the time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Always trying to be too cool. The cool guy's not funny. It's not funny to be the cool guy all the time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Always trying to be too cool. The cool guy's not funny. It's not funny to be the cool guy. Yeah. That's why, like, that's why, because LA, man, everybody tries to be the cool guy.

How do you get away with that? All the actors try to be the cool guy, or rappers, maybe. Actors and maybe singers and musicians. Maybe they try to be the cool guy. But in the comedian world, there's no room for that. You know, people paid money to hear you talk. You better have some funny shit to say. If you have some funny shit to say, but you don't have any funny shit to say about you,

that seems weird. That seems weird. Yeah, so you got to be kind of self-deprecating. You got to open it up. Open up Pandora's box. Let's see those zombies. What's in there? What are the demons? Let them box. Let's see those zombies. What's in there? What are the demons?

Let them out. Let them out. You only do so many specials before you let the demons out. And you might be able to get away with one special making fun of stuff outside of you, but you have to be able to see everything. If you're going to be a comedian, you're going to keep going. How you're looking at the world. And if how you're looking at the world, none of it is reflecting on you.

None of it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. And if it's reflecting on you and you're funny, you've got to be able to be a fool. You have to be able to be a fool. You have to. Every great comic makes fun of themselves. Yeah.

So, I mean, i do more improv shit you know masser always gives me shit for that because i hang out with nerds and fucking improv theater improv troupe yeah that type of shit so i do more of that shit matt sarah gives you a hard time oh my god oh yeah this is a fucking lemon improv troupe i'm a theater nerd man i hang out with little improv nerds He told me this is a fucking lemon improv troupe. Yeah, he's giving me a hard time with that shit. I ain't gonna lie, man. I hang out. I'm a theater nerd, man. I hang out with little improv nerds and shit, so I do that.

But that's why I didn't really dig into stand-up as much. I don't know. For some reason, I was just like, man, I don't got time to be going out there fucking every night getting my fucking teeth kicked in by these audiences. But I know it's necessary, and it's part of the process. Yeah, but it's not necessary if you don't want to do it like it's it's not something everybody should do yeah yeah you tried it you didn't like it and it's not that i don't like it neither that's the thing it's like i don't mind it right yeah it's just yeah but i feel like if you want to be good at

it and get to the next level right did you have to fucking go through that process well this you would say the same thing to a fighter if you had a fighter that was coming in like i like to train but i don't like to train that much like don't you're not fighting yeah yeah yeah you gotta you gotta love this thing if you want to be a professional fighter man you have to have a singular focus like you have to be really driven and dedicated and the difference between that is with comedy yeah you might get your teeth kicked in but but with fighting you're might get your teeth kicked in but but with fighting you're gonna get your teeth kicked in like really yeah yeah yeah you're getting

really fucking banged up and you have to be able to suffer almost every day in order to get yourself in the kind of condition that you need to be in to fight yeah you need to have there's a level of discipline that you need to have to be a professional fighter that's almost unequaled in sports yeah because i mean it can like that because it's not just discipline like you you have to have great discipline if you want to be a runner you want to be a marathon runner or a great discipline if you want to be a professional football player or professional basketball player but the difference between fighting is you have to have great discipline but you also are going to get fucked up yeah you're also going to get your face punched in you're going to get your liver kicked you know you're going to get limbs pulled yeah yeah you're going to get your

legs thumped with shins slamming into the meat of your leg where everything goes numb don't remind me thump i don't do that shit no more i don't do that shit no more. I don't do that shit no more. Do your legs go back to normal to the point where you don't feel like you can take it anymore? Yeah, I can't take kicks no more. Isn't that a weird thing? You develop an ability to absorb those. If you watch Robert Van Roosmalen or something like that, Robin Van Roosmalen, that guy will take a leg kick and it doesn't even seem to affect him.

Yeah, but when you stop doing it, you can't go back. go back right i mean do you spar around a little bit no oh yeah no i haven't kickbox sparred in forever yeah i was i just think like getting hit in the head should be something that you should decide okay no more of that like there should be a time where like you could spar jujitsu and you can keep going pretty much forever i mean elio was sparring when he was in his 90s he was still rolling yeah but striking it's like at a certain point in time you got to stop yeah i don't do it yeah yeah i barely i mean honestly i barely roll to be honest with you like i just study and study and study do you work out a little bit like i mean i still have to roll at times to try shit. But do you do other kind of workouts?

Do you just drink conditioning or nothing? Nah, nah, I don't drink conditioning. That happens to a lot of fighters. They stop fighting and they... Yeah, I mean, you spend so many years, like, running and doing all this stuff. Like, when you're done, like, the last thing you want to do is run. In fact, like Tyra and Willie, we go into camp and I say, Hey, listen, you got to buy me a bike if you want me to Go alongside of you While you're running

I ain't running with your ass It's gotta be hard for him to run too Cause he's so thick Yeah Yeah he's I mean he hates running But like I think that part of Part of that motivates him to go

This motherfucker made me run I'm fucking him up Yeah Yeah So he But yeah so How old's Tyron now 35

35 Maybe 36 How many more years Do you think he's got left? He be bullshitting He be like yeah Another three years I don't think so

You know his rap career About to take off so You think so? I don't know It could I mean you know I mean he's such He's the most

Hustling guy I've ever met He's always on TMZ He hustles He's always doing something Yeah the cat hustles So Does he have a podcast? Well me and him have one together.

Do you have one now? Yeah, but we don't ever record because he'd be- What is it? What's it called? It's The Morning Wood. Oh, okay. I've heard of that before. But we ain't recording in like a year.

Oh, wow. So he don't really have- Inconsistent. Yeah. To say the least. That's the number one thing about podcasts. You got to be consistent. Well, wow. So he don't really have. Yeah. Inconsistent. Yeah. To say the least. That's the number one thing about podcasts. You got to be consistent. Well, yeah.

So like I do one now with TJ DeSantis called The Beatdown. And I'm like, dude, let's record. We got to record. Because like you said, consistency is key. It's everything. Yeah. There's too many out there. Yeah.

People get bored with you. Yeah. If you don't give them, like you got to make them addicted. And the only way to make them addicted is you got to first of all be addicted. You got to be enjoying all these conversations because it's the only way that it is contagious. There's no other way. Like if you're half-assing it or faking it, you really don't want to talk to these people. Yeah.

Then that comes through people's ears. They hear that, you know. Like I always love talking to people i like i've always been like when i was in the brief amount of time i was in college the only thing that interested me was psychology really yeah i was interested because i knew my own mind like i got into psychology because um the same reason why i got into philosophy and because i was scared scared of fighting i was like what's wrong with my brain like why am i always scared like why am i Why am I scared before every tournament

and scared before all these different things? And then I realized everybody's scared. Okay, well, how do people manage that? Is there a right way to think? Because I knew that sometimes I would go in there with a perfect mindset and I'd win and I'd feel great and then I couldn't recreate it two weeks later. I'm like, well, what the fuck is wrong with my head?

How do I figure this out? So I always wanted to talk to people and find out what makes you tick. What motivates you? How do you discipline yourself? What are you thinking about when you're pushing yourself? What are you thinking about when you're calm? Do you spend time reflecting on your work?

Do you just keep going and keep doing it? Or do you analyze it? What is happening with you? What do you do? And then, so a podcast to me almost came naturally because i'm always i'm always talking to people and i'm always trying to i want to always trying to like get behind the doors of the eyes like what's in there but i said jim norton said that about you too he's like it's a great conversational lesson he's blanking and shit

well i'm curious i'm like i don't want to just talk i want to i want to i want to hear people like sometimes comedians are just waiting for their turn to talk and they're not listening to you like i've always tried very hard to listen to people and trying to like see what where they're coming from trying to get into their head so let me ask you this. Did you ever figure it out? What out? Why you couldn't manage those emotions. I was young, first of all. I stopped fighting when I was 21 or 22, somewhere in that range,

between 21 and 22. There was also no future. That was a problem, too. It wasn't like I was working towards something. When I was fighting, I stopped in 88, 89, I think think maybe i had my last kickboxing fights and there was no there was no future there was no nowhere to go like kickboxing you got like 500 for a fight you get your brains punched in there was no money in taekwondo and then the olympic scoring system the olympics were

incredibly corrupt like the the scoring was terrible, especially if you fought a Korean. Oh, good Lord. In Taekwondo, you had to beat the living fuck out of them. Or you had to stop them. You had to KO them. And then I was also seeing brain damage. I was seeing people in the gym with brain damage. Especially when I started kickboxing because I was spending a lot of time in boxing gyms.

I was seeing guys that were slurring and stuttering their words and they just acted weird. And you see guys that acted different after a KO. They got KO'd and then you see them

just a little bit more distant, a little bit more glassy-eyed and slack-jawed and you're like, oh, Jesus Christ. Like, you see it. Yeah.

I mean, I hate it, man. It breaks my heart every time I see a guy take unnecessary punishment yeah and not even even if he's not slurred just like taking unnecessary punishment because you know where it leads i know where it leads and it really breaks my heart when i see like the fans like expect it from fighters yeah yeah they um you know they don't know what they're watching you know they're just they're just watching violence it's almost like it's not really there yeah it's not really happening like they don't know what they're watching. They're just watching violence. It's almost like it's not really there.

It's not really happening. They don't know what it's like when a guy gets knocked out. Yeah. And then, because for them, it's over. They're going back to their regular life. But for me, I'm going to the hospital with this motherfucker who got knocked out. Yeah. And he's got his fucking eyes busted know busted open and he's all busted up

orbital bone and and for the next you know three or four months you know this guy's depressed because he was trying to cater to the fans and put on this exciting fight yeah and yet he then went through all this punishment and that's just then and then you do that have a career of that you're gonna be fucked up yeah yeah i don't yeah i don't like it yeah it's uh it's just it's hard when guys don't know how to get out or where to go when they get out and it's hard when you see them knowing that they have to get out but they're still fighting yeah oh yeah that's the worst man i'm always like damn what do you do when you have a fighter that you you know should stop i'm pretty honest with them i'm always honest i'm always like, damn. What do you do when you have a fighter that you know should stop?

I'm pretty honest with them. I'm always honest. I'm always like, man, listen, this ain't for you no more. And I always have to tell them. If I feel like it's going to affect them physically and hurt them by continuing the fight, I tell them, man, you need to stop. And more often than not, they kind of listen. They probably kind of know. Yeah, they kind of know.

And they just need somebody else to say it. And I'm more willing to tell them i always try to tell them but sometimes if they don't want to do it then i can't really be a part of it like when you saw tito versus chuck yeah that's one of the in my opinion and no disrespect to chuck he should do whatever he wants to do maybe he should do whatever he wants to do. Maybe he enjoys it. Maybe he wants to compete. But that was one of the worst examples of a guy who used to be a fucking destroyer. Chuck was a destroyer. When he fought like Babalu. Babalu, yeah.

Oh, man. Dude. Randleman. Killed Randleman. Killed everybody. He was a killer. Chuck was a straight up killer. I remember watching him fight fucking Pele Landy bare knuckle in Brazil.

Yeah, when they had the net in the bottom of the ropes. He got knocked down three times with head kicks and still fucked Pele up. Yeah, man. And then to watch him. And then again, another case and scenario where young fighters see him and go, oh, that's an old guy. Yeah. But he shouldn't be fighting. go, oh, that's the old guy. Yeah. But he shouldn't be fighting.

Yeah, he shouldn't be fighting at 50. And he clearly can't take a punch anymore. Whatever it is, when Tito connected on him, everything just shut off. You see it just shut off, and then Tito smashes him. And we're talking about Tito. We're not exactly talking about fucking Anthony Johnson. That's true, but I think Tito's punches are a lot better than they used to be. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And I think Jason Perillo is a fantastic coach. I think he did an amazing job. And I think Tito, you know, he's just not a natural striker. It's not like his thing. He's a wrestler. But it's the way it happened. It just, Chuck couldn't connect. He's like, everything looked off.

His timing, his movement, just looked, his balance looked off. And when you talk to people that are neuroscientists and they understand what happens to the brain after repeated brain trauma over and over and over again, and then what we're seeing is just in the cage. We have no idea how much brain trauma he and over and over again and then what we're seeing is just in the cage we don't have no idea how much brain trauma he took in camps and it's probably pretty significant yeah i would assume his style was so he's such a brawler and he had an iron chin for the beginning of his career it was just one of the greatest chins of all time so when it failed him there

was no there was no escape clause there was no there was no way there was no back door this was the style the style wasn't all of a sudden you're going to be like mighty mouse and not get hit switch stances yeah and become slick that shit is just not available and when you saw him with this hampered movement he just doesn't his balance doesn't seem right i was watching him hit the pads when they were preparing when he's getting ready i was watching him hit the pads i was like what is happening here like his balance looks fucked up like it didn't look right like even when he's throwing kicks he like threw a kick and then fall back like it didn't look right yeah well i mean and i feel that even with myself, I don't have the same balance I had when I was 20.

Right. And I could imagine him, like, because he probably never even focused on that. Right. He just did it. He was just throwing punches. Right. So for him, like, I watched a video of him shadowboxing. Horrendous.

It's rough. Horrendous. But didn't you go back and watch him when he was the champ? It's like, Jesus Christ, he's a murderer. Damn, I know. I watched him hit the bag. He was like a fucking murderer. Boom, boom, boom.

Speed. Power. Yeah. Just everything. Putting it together. Yeah. And just that style. I mean, the reason why he became such a fan favorite, because you knew Chuck Liddell was

coming to kill you. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he was coming to kill you. And that cage door shut, and they said, let's get it on. He just stepped forward and just looking to smash. That was his style, and it was the reason why the UFC became so famous. One of the big reasons why the UFC became so popular was Chuck Liddell.

Yep. He was a guy who everybody could identify with. Yeah. And the fan base of the UFC saw themselves in Chuck Liddell. Well, they wished they could be that guy. Yeah, yeah. That's like he was. Yeah, shave head, the mohawk, the tattoo was fearless.

Yeah. It was knocking people out and would scream afterwards. Yeah. Yeah, it's like that's what they saw. They said, I want to be that guy. Yeah. And you're right. And that's how the UFC became so popular so fast is with Chum.

When you see him now at 50 fighting the way he fought against Tito, you're like, oh, it's so hard to watch. But then on the other hand, it's like I don't want to tell the guy what to do. He's not going to live forever. Like if this is what he really enjoys and he wants to do that, maybe it wouldn't be the worst idea in the world for him to keep going. I don't know. I'm not his dad.

I'm not him. I don't know what to tell him i mean it also you got to think like he probably does worse things in his life than than getting in a cage with a an old buddy you know you think so probably i mean i i never hung out with the dude but i'm just saying you heard stories but he yeah yeah well he's hanging out at the church he definitely I'm just saying. But you heard stories. But he, yeah. Yeah. He ain't hanging out at the church. He definitely did his share of partying. Yeah.

Which doesn't help. Yeah. Yeah, depending upon what you're partying with, too. You know, I'm sure there's certain substances that are worse than others when it comes to your brain. See, that's why I can't never live in L.A. Staying my ass in Florida. Well, what's in Florida? It's the cocaine capital of the world.

I know, man, but... Not as much ecstasy? Yeah. I don't know. The party scene just seems... It's not the same. Florida? Fucking Florida?

Florida? Miami's got to have the craziest party scene on the planet. Yeah, you can stay away from that, though. Yeah? Well, you can because of the gym yeah and hanging around with the right people but whenever i'm down in miami i'm like this is the most chaotic place ever yeah miami like i never go to miami i don't ever go down there really yeah it's a fun place last time i did a gig there though i was it was right before i was

filming my netflix special and so we have these yonder bags yonder is a cell phone bag that they use where you have to put your cell phone this magnetically sealed bag to get into the room and the only way to use your phone is you got to leave the room they open the bag for you they give you your phone you hold on to your phone the whole time you have possession of it but it's sealed in this bag keep people from texting and filming and all that kind of shit while the show's going on. Every other place, it accentuated the show because it made the show like 10% better because people were just focused. They weren't staring at their phone. They just focused at the show. In Miami, all people kept doing is just getting up to go outside to use their phone.

It was like no one sat down the whole show. They were popping up and moving, popping up and walking. It just made it worse, huh? It made it worse. Yeah, it was one of the whole show. They were popping up and moving, popping up and walking. It just made it worse, huh? It made it worse. Yeah, it was one of the few places. When Tiffany Haddish, she just bombed in Miami. There was this big TMZ deal that she bombed there. I'm like, yeah, in Miami, you got to grab those motherfuckers.

You got to go, hey, here's the show. I tell you though, South Florida is probably the most unfocused place on earth. Nobody's focused on anything. On anything. Nothing. I say if you want to starve to death, open a bookstore in Miami. Yeah. That's true, man.

People in Miami, they don't have no football team. They got the Dolphins, but they ain't Miami Dolphins. They don't pay attention. They don't pay attention. They don't pay attention to the Florida Marlins. They don't pay attention to nothing but having fun and partying. That's all they want to do down there. Dance and fuck.

Yep. That's all they do on South Beach. That's it. It's great for that. Yeah. That's your sport. Yeah, but. If you're into dancing and fucking.

Miami is the place to be. They got great food. In Miami? Great food. Great food. Yeah. Fantastic Cuban food. Yeah, Cuban food.

Yeah, you're right. There's some great restaurants in Miami. Yeah. Fantastic Cuban food. Yeah, Cuban food. Yeah, you're right. There's some great restaurants in Miami. A bunch of great restaurants. Yeah, I mean, it's a great spot. It's just not the best spot for everything. Other than, I think it's not the best spot for anything other than partying and fucking. Partying and fucking and banks, apparently. And eating Cuban food.

You ever watch those documentaries on cocaine, the Cocaine Cowboys documentaries? No, I've never seen that. Oh, Dan, you're going to be so happy. You got to watch these. Why? Cocaine Cowboys 1 and 2, they are some of the greatest fucking documentaries. And you're going to realize why Miami is so fucking bananas. The amount of cocaine that went through Miami.

They say that at one point in time, I don't know if it's still the case, but at one point in time, Miami had more banks per capita than anywhere else in the continent. And it's all because the cocaine money was being laundered through Miami. Are you serious? 100%. This is all Billy Corbin's documentary. He's got two documentaries. Fantastic documentaries.

Cocaine Cowboys 1 and 2. But one of the things that it talked about is one year, every single member of the graduating class of the police academy either was murdered or went to jail. Every single member. The entire police academy was corrupt.

They were all deeply involved in the drug game. Yeah. Yeah, it was chaos. It was chaos. It was just people were making millions of dollars and burying holes, putting bags of it in their backyard, just digging holes in the backyard and dropping fucking big old sacks of money in there. Are you serious?

Garbage bags filled with cash. Yeah. Probably still out there. Probably guys died and there's garbage bags filled with cash that they left in their backyard they forgot about because they got shot oh yeah it's they're great documentaries i need to find out where they lived i'm going digging yeah i need a shovel just buy some sketchy looking houses and start digging in the backyard yeah oh my god i didn't know it was that crazy so crazy i didn't know it was that

crazy easy until i watched those documentaries. They're so good. Probably, if I had a top 10 list of documentaries of all time, Cocaine Cowboys is on there. That good. No shit. 100% must watch. Yeah. Especially if you live down there.

It's on Netflix, right? I'm sure. Is it on Netflix? Cocaine Cowboys? Certainly on iTunes. It's so good. You just go, oh my God. It's like you shut up and you don't know about griselda who's that el de blanco she's this bitch that was she was running everything back then it was a woman an evil woman evil woman that was running everything

murderer just a straight killer hired all these savages. Just gun people down. Babies, women, children. Everybody dead. Dead. Ruthless. Yeah. So what happened to her? Is she still?

She's dead. She went to jail in Columbia, and she got out. They let her out. There was pictures of her with her girlfriend. It was like sometimes she was a lesbian, sometimes she wasn't. But there was pictures of her with her girlfriend. She was like, sometimes she was a lesbian, sometimes she wasn't. But there was pictures of her with her girlfriend in Bogota after she got released. Like, that lady is responsible for the death of who knows how many fucking people. Millions of dollars moved around in money.

Yeah. Yeah, man. It's fucking great documentaries. Great. Oh, shit. Can't recommend them enough. Oh, yeah? Yeah.

I got to see this. You got to see it. Yeah. You're going to text me afterwards. You're going to go, oh, shit. I had no idea. I mean, I knew Miami was bad. I mean, obviously, it's so close to South America, so I'm sure there's kind of got to be a hub,

but I didn't know it was like- Jennifer Lopez is playing her in a movie, isn't she? That movie came out? No. It was Like it didn't Maybe they didn't make it Really?

Or maybe not yet She's too hot Who Jennifer Lopez? Yeah To play this girl? Yeah This girl wasn't hot? Oh really?

No she was disgusting Well how is she going to get to the camp? She looks like Joey Diaz with a wig on She was evil man Oh no Super evil It's just interesting With a whole crime syndicate

Run by a woman You know cause you Like see that in a movie Go yeah In a movie Get the fuck out of here This is real life For real

It was all the Blanco Yeah Damn Who put her in power though She killed everybody In 2016 She was labeled with it But then

2017 There's articles saying That Catherine Zeta-Jones And her were competing for it Oh But it's an HBO TV movie That has yet to be made So Oh Okay Yeah In 2017, there's articles saying that Catherine Zeta-Jones and her were competing for it. Oh. But it's an HBO TV movie that has yet to be made. Oh, okay.

Pull up a picture of her. The real Griselda Blanco. I'm telling you too much. You need to watch it. You just need to watch it. There she is right there. Joey Diaz with a wig on. Yeah, it is.

See? That's her with makeup. Imagine what she looks like in the morning when she's taking a shit. Yeah, that was her boyfriend. He looked like me a little bit. Yeah, he got in trouble because he was banging some chicks while she was in the pokey. Can you blame him? Nope.

Nope. Look at her. Evil. Damn. Evil. Evil. They talk to her hitman. Her hitman gets interviewed in the movie From Jail and talk about what the rules were and how she ran things. The amount of money that those people made, it's just ungodly sums of money.

And nobody knew how to get out. It was like once that money's flowing and you're making $30 million a week or whatever the fuck you're making, when do you get out? When do you get out? How do you get out? Yeah, you can't get out of that. And if you do get out, who takes over? Yeah. Who takes over distribution?

And then everybody, I think, probably just says, ah, next year. Yeah, yeah, next year. This is my last year doing this. Catch bullets. The only way out is death. Yeah. I have a friend, a very good friend, my friend Steve Graham, who did his – he's an ophthalmologist. He did his residency in Miami and was doing his residency in the emergency room in Miami while the cocaine days were going on.

He said every day just blown up heads, bullet holes, cocaine godmother review. Turns out they made it. Brown face casting is just one of many insults In the schlocky narcos rip off What? Oh that is brownface Look at that That lady's supposed to be Griselda Blanco That's not Catherine Zeta-Jones

Is it? Boy it doesn't look like her at all Does it? Yeah but it doesn't look like the lady at all You didn't even get fat You didn't even get fat. No. You didn't even get fat?

Come on, man. That's the difference between her and the, what's her face, from who was in Monster. Oh, that's my girl. Charlie's. Yeah, Charlie's their own. Yeah. She got fat. She did it the right way. Uh-huh.

She played that lady the right way. Wrecked her body. This was called Cocaine Godmother. Yeah! That was a Lifetime movie? A D. I shouldn't even give it a D. How'd you not give it an F?

Anything on a Lifetime is a D or a F at least. But I think Catherine Zeta-Jones is Latina. So that's kind of fucked up that they said they whitewashed her. Because isn't she? Isn't Catherine Zeta-Jones from Columbia? I don't know. She's also apparently losing her marbles. Really?

Yeah. I read that. See, I don't know about this Hollywood shit, man. That shit scares me, man. I don't know about it either. What? Get out of here, man. I'm on the outside.

I noticed that. I'm like, man, this is off in the cut a little bit. She's Welsh. Welsh. Oh, sorry. Sorry. Sorry. From the United. I noticed that. I'm like, man, this is off in the cut a little bit. She's Welsh. Welsh. Oh, sorry. Sorry. Sorry. From the United Kingdom.

My apologies. Yeah, they whitewashed the shit out of her. Yeah, how could you not give that role to a fat Mexican lady? How could you not? Or a Colombian lady? Find a fat lady. The movie didn't work anyway. Here's what you do.

You have some stars. You put them in supporting positions. Yeah, and have her play the role. Yeah. I mean, go to Telemundo, that channel. They got many of them on there. Catherine Zeta-Jones is Welsh? That don't even make no sense. I thought she was Latina.

She was so hot when she was young. She still married to that old boy. What's his name? Michael Douglas. Michael Douglas. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Look at that. Kabow. Come on. Tell me she doesn't look like Colombian or something. She does, right? Yeah. Well, what you going to do? Yeah.

Whitewash. Yeah. That's kind of crazy. You can't do that anymore. That's cultural appropriation, son. What's wrong with that? Can't do that anymore that's cultural appropriation son what's wrong with that can't do it yeah you can't do it right no no well none listen anything that offends people man you need to stay away from it just because it's too much work yeah that's yeah it's just too much work man it is it's just too much work like for me that's how i feel about

it i don't even say yeah i know it's like talking to people about politics like yeah i'm done i'm not talking about this i'm interested and i don't and i'm not in a position to tell anybody what can offend them and you know snowflake i'm not in it i'm not gonna do it i ain't gonna buy a snowflake because listen something's gonna offend somebody but it's just too much work it's too much work there's too much especially for someone like you you're busy yeah i ain't got time for this shit shit to do you don't want to be arguing people all day on twitter oh about foreign policy oh man i try i try to stay off of twitter man and sometimes i'll be in the middle of writing a tweet and i go i ain't gonna send this shit

good for you man good for you i'm more friends than that. Burt Kreischer just deleted his shit. He deleted his shit off his phone. He deleted the app. What app? Twitter? A lot of people are doing that now. I know a lot of people are deleting Twitter and they just don't read it anymore, don't pay attention to it anymore.

I go in every now and then, but the way I describe it, it's always like peering into a haunted house. Yeah. The fuck's going on there well the problem is it puts everybody on the same level so like

you the shit you know what I'm saying you work your hardest to get something and then you let these fucking guys just sign in and talk shit to you

yeah you know right they don't do nothing they don't do nothing in life but get on sign their name in and just talk shit

there's a lot of that there's a lot of that there's a lot of that sometimes someone will talk shit to me and I'm like who's this guy I'm like what is going on

with this guy's life and then I'll I don't I don't get upset but I will click their profile and then I look oh they just talk shit to celebrities

yeah that's what they do they talk shit to Nas and Jay Z and fucking you know but it's horrible I mean it's so sometimes you just like I see his name, your boy, Chris D'Elia, right?

Chris D'Elia? Yeah, Chris D'Elia. He be on that roast of people. He loves talking shit. He loves it. He be on it. It's like. But he's bored.

Is that what it is? He doesn't do anything. This is what Chris does. Writes jokes, goes to the gym, talks shit online. All day, he's making little funny videos. He just can't wait to do stand-up. He just wishes comedy clubs were operating at noon. Really?

Yeah, Talia loves doing stand-up. If comedy clubs were open at noon, he's at the store almost every night of the week. He just can't wait to do stand-up again. Can't wait to go up there and kill. Just the most fun. Really? Yeah, so when he's not doing that,

he's talking shit to Logan Paul And fucking this guy And that guy Anyway And he's good too So anyway he says anything He'll crush you Yeah he'll crush you

I watched him fucking I watched him embarrass Logan Paul I felt so I didn't feel bad for Logan Paul But I was just like Dude He'll hurt your feelings Yeah

D'Elia will hurt your feelings He's so good at that But like I'm thinking Man don't you got anything else to do He doesn't do all the day he doesn't he doesn't read he's not doing anything he's not interested in like bettering himself at all he doesn't care i mean that's just who he is he just likes being funny and he likes talking shit like if you look at his videos like he puts videos up on instagram they're just're just funny. Him being fucking ridiculous.

Him being silly. What's he got going on here? What's he doing here? Talking shit about Coachella. Let me hear it. It's very short. Let me see. Okay, let me hear this.

Bro, the names of the people and the bands playing in Coachella this year Are fucking Dumb That's it That's it That's so silly People are just like this is the perfect way to say it Is it that bad? What is going on with Coachella? Is it bad?

I don't know What are the names? It's just a lot of arguments people are making It's just like an Instagram concert people are just going to have pictures there's always a lot of that right also someone now coachella lineup what do we got here hmm who do we got childish gambino can't go wrong there. Who are these other people? I don't know who these people are.

Kid Cudi. Weezer. I'm trying to see people that I recognize. Ariana Grande. What? I would be really mad if I was DJ Khaled and I saw Ariana Grande's name so much bigger than mine. Oh, that's a different one. That's a different one. He's a singer? Yeah. man if I was DJ Khaled and I saw Ariana Grande's name so much bigger than mine. That's a different one.

How do you have the same name as the other guy? Because the other one was a DJ. He's like a Cuban DJ. Get on with yourself. Who's Boy Pablo? Pablo. Boy Pablo. Way down there. Tiny little name. And this dude's smaller name than him.

Who's Razor Bumps? I think that's part of what he's maybe laughing at. Razor Bumps is that's what you get when you shave your pussy. Don't make that as a name. That's ridiculous. There's US Girls and Men I Trust. They're both also there. Social House? Okay. No

disrespect to any of these bands. I'm sure they're really good. But yeah, Chris is right hop along super organism oh super organism they're working again what serpent with feet okay shut this off before i become crystalia hey that's music today man everybody had to come out with music these days a lot of musicians i'm not in that business i don't understand it i have them on here i don't know how they do it i'm like i don't know don't understand it. I have them on here. I don't know how they do it. I'm like, I don't know what you're doing. You have them on here all the time?

Yeah. Musicians? Musicians all the time. But I'm like, that world is just such a difficult. See, it's so difficult to break through. It seems like the most difficult world to break through. Because of the competition. Everybody thinks they can do it.

There's a lot of competition, especially rappers. You don't have to hold a note. All you have to do is just make shit rhyme. Yeah. And you don't even really have to do that. Not anymore. Yeah. No, you can mumble your way through things.

Yeah. You're right. Like the rap industry. God. Like at least in fighting, you can win. Yeah. You keep going. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, in fighting, you just fuck people up. Yeah. And if you fuck everybody up, you win. Yeah, you win and you're going to be the greatest ever. Nobody has to like up. Yeah. And if you fuck everybody up, you win. Yeah, you win and you're going to be the greatest ever. Nobody has to like you. Yeah. Once they lock that cage door shut, you just fuck that person up.

I'm sorry I didn't like you, but I'd fuck your boy up. Cut and dry. That's what it is. And rap or music industry is like, I'm the best. And then there's a lot of biting, a lot of stealing. Stealing raps and stealing rhymes and there's a lot of that, a lot of stealing, stealing raps and stealing rhymes. And there's a lot of that in that world, too. It's rough. In comedy, if people are laughing, then you keep going then, right?

I suppose. Yeah. But also, in comedy, there's so many places to work. Like, there's so many comedy clubs. There's so many comedy clubs. Oh, really? So you can work a lot as a comedian Yeah, you work every night You might not get booked as a beginner

But once you get going and once like you name a guy who's who's a good comic Adam Hunter Perfect example good comic that guy works everywhere. Yeah, so he's every always working everywhere Yeah, he's always got something going on and you could if he was a rapper he would be fucked. Yeah, I see it. He's always working. Everywhere. He's always got something going on. And if he was a rapper, he would be fucked. Yeah. You know what I mean? It's like if you're that level rapper, there's not a lot of options for you. Yeah.

Where are you going to work? There's no rap club. I'm going to go to the rap club, do a five-minute set. That shit's not real. You're right. Yeah. But comedy, yeah. Yeah.

But I thought it was kind of hard to get put on, though. you're right but comedy yeah but I didn't know but I thought it was kind of hard to get put on though it's not well not for Adam obviously because he's pretty successful

but in the beginning there's plenty of little tiny places and bringer shows where you do like you know a couple minutes and then once you're good

comedy one thing about comedians they help each other yeah really yeah I heard it was like the opposite where'd you hear that well norton no no no no jim didn't tell me that he said um it's different in new york yeah there's some comedians they get jealous of other ones that are successful yeah those are the ones that suck yeah okay yeah the good ones support

other ones that are good because you realize you need them. It's almost like you need, if you're in a gym, you need guys that are really good around you to push you. Good training partners. You need that with comedy too. You need other comedians who are really good. It elevates your idea of what's good. Yeah, that makes sense. I think in general, comedians are probably one of the more supportive of all art forms. One of the more supportive of all art forms one of the more supportive of other people

that are doing it I would hope so because it's such a world where it should be comedian against the audience it seems like so like you kind of

need people to support you and have your back and go man don't worry about that one also as long as no one's stealing from you

when they're on stage you're not so it shouldn't affect you at all and in fact you probably got into on stage you're not so it shouldn't affect you at all and in fact you probably got into comedy because you're a fan of comedy that's how i got into it so if i was if i didn't enjoy other people that were really good at it like what i took away the one thing that i really love to watch and then i started doing it for a living now i can't enjoy it anymore that's crazy the only way you enjoy it is you gotta appreciate something that's really good you can't be seeing

someone go eh ain't that good eh I could be better I wish I was up there I'd fuck that crowd up so do you still go watch

sometimes like you watch your homeboys yes yeah I watch my friends yeah all the time yeah that's one of the reasons why if I go on the road

I always bring really funny people with me I wanna laugh I wanna laugh before I go up some comedians don't want that though they want the audience to be suffering until they get up they'll bring terrible opening acts I always bring really funny people with me. I want to laugh. I want to laugh before I go up. Some comedians don't want that, though. They want the audience to be suffering until they get up. They'll bring terrible opening acts.

What? Yeah. That seems like a terrible idea. I agree. But see, you're coming at it from a martial arts perspective. Like martial artists. Look, martial artists, first of all, everybody supports everybody. Everybody helps everybody.

You have to. You're training together. You're working with – there's coaching. There's like you're advancing each other. You appreciate it. When someone fucks somebody up, like you realize like, damn, the guy's good. This is good. There's like a lot of props.

Like if you see like a comedy special, you'll see a bunch of comedians tweeting about how good a comedy special is you don't i don't think you see that much in the rap world where someone is really good and then a bunch of other people other rappers will chime in about how great that thing yeah you won't yeah you're right that's you're right about that but with fighters you do yeah if somebody fuck somebody up and like some some big like damn he looked good tonight they look good and you'll see all this chatter all the people supporting it Yeah Rap is the opposite The opposite Yeah

Fuck everybody Yeah I'll fuck the world I'll rap that motherfucker Yeah Drug game Yeah That's the weird one right

The drug game Yeah I don't know man Do you Do you anticipate Staying in South Florida I don't know I mean

So I don't know If they have it on the West Coast. Where are you from? Originally from Delaware. Oh. Yeah. Nobody's from Delaware. I know. I'm the only one. I made it out. You might be the only person ever escaped. Actually, me and... I don't even remember it was a state. You brought it up. Here's an interesting fact. Me and Roxanne

was born in the same hospital. Really? Yeah. Wow. That's crazy. What are the odds? I know. But I'm originally from Delaware, so eventually I feel like I want to be a snowbird. Yeah? Meaning, you know, hang out in Florida during the winter months.

And where will you live in the other time? I don't know. I might go Pennsylvania, Jersey, or some shit. Pennsylvania? Like Philly? Yeah, that's where my focus is from. Really? Philly's nice. I love Philly. Ph focus is from. Really? Philly's nice.

I love Philly. Philly's real. Philly's like a real city, yeah. I said there are really intelligent people that will punch you in the face. Yeah, that's Philly. Yeah. Yeah. They're wild.

People in Philly are wild. Yeah, they're real and they're passionate and they're wild. Yeah. So you kind of have to like that. Yeah, and they're better looking than Boston. Sorry, Boston.

Really? Girls are better looking than Philly. Why is that? I don't know. It's too smart and fucking Boston. I grew up in Boston. Yeah. Yeah.

I don't know about that. I think Boston is dealing with a lot of the original genes of the original travelers that made it across that boat. Just savage folk that didn't want to live in Europe anymore. Yeah. Yeah. Those genes are not the best genes. Bunch of animals.

So they're still dealing with them fucking genes? Still punching each other. A lot of fistfights in Boston. Yeah. You go out on a Friday, Saturday night and go around the bars, you'll see plenty of fistfights in Boston. That's one of the few places in the world where people still, like on a regular basis,

beat the shit out of each other on the streets. That's good of the few places in the world where people still, like, on a regular basis beat the shit out of each other on the streets. That's good then, you know? At least they ain't shooting. Drunken savages. Well, there's some shootings too, for sure, but there's a lot of knuckling down. Yeah. That's kind of good. But I think there's something to that gene hole gene thing. When I was in Milwaukee and I was like, damn, why are these fucking

people so ugly? It's true. Got those old jeans. Yeah, y'all. Like, damn, y'all need to get some mixing going on. Well, I think that's the reason why California has some of the best looking jeans. Because the people that lived on the East Coast were like, I got to get the fuck out of here. They kept going until they got to California.

And they hit that water. I'm like, I don't want to live in hawaii fuck yeah stay right here and then just the breeding yeah yeah and then there's also the entertainment business all the pretty people from cincinnati they got on a bus yeah they came out here yeah i'm gonna make it look at these cheeks yeah i'm gonna make it how many of them make it very very very very very few it's almost not even worth it almost not even worth it unless you make it then you're like oh look at me bitch who won i did that's right you got a fistful of cash throwing them up in the air making instagram videos rolling around on your silk sheets filled with $100 bills

like I almost feel like it's especially in like in the age we live in now it's better to just stay where you're at and put your shit out

online online yeah for sure yeah but I think people are still caught up in the mystique of like coming to Hollywood

making it in Hollywood even people that do big things online they still want to do legitimate things. Like, I'd love to do movies. I'd love to do TV. They want to do things that pay them less money than they do being a YouTube star. Yeah.

Really? YouTube pays a lot of money now. If you're a big Logan Paul type dude, he makes a shit load of money on YouTube. How though? Who fucking pays him? Who signs his check? Advertisements. He's selling advertisements.

He puts these videos on. The videos get millions and millions of hits, and he gets millions of dollars from advertisement revenue. Probably more money than most successful sitcom people. God. Yeah. If you think of someone who's on a successful television show, you think, well, that guy's got to be balling. I bet Logan Paul makes twice as much money as those people fuck i know crazy and then there's people like pootie pie how much does that

guy make he's got like 77 million subscribers so the but the only thing about that guy is he likes to say controversial shit and he gets in trouble and then sometimes they pull ads off of them and stuff like that but i think if you're one of those like ninja is he another one that video game guy those people make outrageous sums of money outrageous sums of money like playing video games and talking shit yeah i thought it was like this little kid it was like a seven-year-old made like 20 million dollars like that doing toys yeah ryan ryan's toy review that's that him? He made $22 million in 2018 by reviewing toys. This little Asian kid right here? That little kid right there.

How much do you think the parents let him keep? I tell my parents, suck my dick. Get the fuck out of my room. Yeah, I would get out. No, you clean my room. Set up that fucking video and you clean my room. This motherfucker just raised up a wiffle ball jake paul 21 million see look at that 21 million just by talking he had a disney show for a while

he was on a disney show that my kids watch and then he decided fuck that i'd rather just be in my house what does it say on his wall? Team? Team Paul? Team 10. Team 10? Squad. He painted that on his wall? He's got a mansion. He's got it all fucked up inside.

He's got one of those Lego installations, too, that some guy came in and put Legos all on his wall. Oh, interesting. So who's number three? Oh, sorry. Let's see. This is a group of guys. Dude Perfect.

Dude Perfect. They make a, like... Five-man sports crew. Trick show. Oh, I've seen those guys. They do stuff with bows and arrow. They just... All group of guys. Dude Perfect. Dude Perfect. They make like... Five-man sports crew. Oh, I've seen those guys. They do stuff with bows and arrow. Just all kinds of things. They've been doing it for a few years, so they've been burning down any kind of trick shot you can think of.

So they made $20 million, all five of them. So $5 million each. Nothing to sneeze at. And then what else? And this guy is a solo video game. Dan TDM. Yeah. And he made else? And this guy's solo video game. Dan TDM. Yeah. And he made $18 million.

Holla slash ball. And that guy can go anywhere. Oh, Jeffree Star. Is that a guy or a girl? Let's see. Jeff, makeup star. Yeah. Makeup artist.

Since the MySpace era has reinvented himself as a beauty mogul. Wait a minute. You say himself. Are you misgendering him? I didn't say that. This article. This is an article. Misgendered. Are you misgendering him? I didn't say that. This article. This article misgendered. I think that's whatever that is.

What's this one? Markiplier17. Nobody ever see that guy before. That guy could go anywhere. Meanwhile, he made $17 million. Vanos Gaming. Canadian gamer Evan Fong plays mainstream titles like the Call of Duty. Plays games.

$17 million. Another one. Man. Another one. $16 million. Look at this guy. Hanging out. Pootie Pie.

Pootie Pie. Damn, Pootie Pie's way down there. Who is this Pootie Pie? You mentioned him before. I never heard of him. He's another guy. He's a famous guy. I don't know too much about him.

He's a gamer. I never watched him. The most followed on YouTube. The most followed. 72.5 million followers. I think the reason why he makes less money is because of the advertisers have abandoned him because he dropped some M-bombs. Oh, he did?

Yeah. What does it say up there? What does it say about his... No, below him. Below. There. Swedish gamer. The most followed.

Yeah. A backlash last year. Rash of anti-Semitic videos. That's right. Anti-Semitic videos. That's right. Anti-Semitic. He said he, but it was like he was joking around and he like was making fun of anti-Semitic people

while he was wearing a Hitler outfit, right? Something like that. Yeah. And they're like, yeah. Yeah, it's kind of bad taste. But again, too much work. Like he paid some people like to make a Fiverr video

putting up signs that they didn't know what they said and they just did it. There's that too. Yeah. Well, anyway, point being, you're right. They can make a shitload of money just being on YouTube and on Twitch playing video games. God.

I know. That's real. That's like if you're a CEO of a gigantic fucking corporation, you work 15 hours a day, you'd be super happy to make what these assholes make I mean these are just fucking like you're like you're right like with the exception of the little kid I'm gonna give a pass but the rest of them dudes are just assholes on YouTube making money I mean I think you have to be an asshole to get attention too I mean that's like part of the thing you got to be, what is Miranda Sings?

Is she in that list? This was just the top 10. Oh, okay. She's not in the top 10? But I mean, there's probably like a hundred people that make seven million. Oh, I know.

Crazy. So much money. Just give me, break me up. That's why I got my online project coming out. TrainBJJOnline.com. Yeah.

Nice. Doing shit to shit. And your TrainBJJOnline.com Yeah Nice Doing jiu-jitsu shit And your TrainBJJOnline.com Is that It's like From white belt to black belt Like you learn No so

The whole curriculum No not even like that Like cause I don't really care about belts Okay To be honest with you I care about being effective And You know as much as I do like

Jiu-jitsu For MMA is different for like competition sure very different yeah so like that's what i'm focusing on you know the differences and to make the shit work again because i think a lot of people are doing jiu-jitsu wrong for mma yeah they're using i think they're using it wrong how so um you know like because when you talk about like jiu-jitsu the way it's been played because when you talk about, like, jiu-jitsu, the way it's been played recently, it's like, well, the way jiu-jitsu played in competition, but all about getting points. Passing hard. Right.

Getting the back, put the hooks in. That shit don't work in MMA. Right, for points. Yeah, they're playing it for points. Right. So, I do it, I've created and developed a bunch of positions to we fuck people up. We hurt people and then submit them. That's the key.

Use your jujitsu to hurt people, then submit them. When you say use it to hurt people, you mean use it to maintain a position and land strikes? Yeah. Yeah. Punching people. Punching people. And then submit them once you soften them up a little bit. Yeah.

It's like the mentality of it is different you know i'm not i'm not because like think about it you're like if i were when you were doing jiu-jitsu right now like in order for me to pass your guard it would take me fucking 10 minutes you know you got five minutes to do this shit so i'm not trying to pass your guard right i'm trying to punch you yeah and also the other thing about it is like there's certain positions where you really just can't get away with if someone's punching. Yeah, for sure. Especially the bottom game. The bottom game has suffered tremendously because it hasn't evolved. Jiu-Jitsu hasn't evolved from the bottom.

And that's something, like I said, when I stopped competing, I studied, studied, studied, said what works, what doesn't work. And now I figured out all these different systems. I think that Jiu-Jitsu has evolved from the bottom in in high level jujitsu competitions we just haven't seen as much of it in mma yeah yeah oh for oh for competition like jujitsu is as great as it's ever been it's beautiful to watch like the way these guys move you know watching kena cornelius like slither on a floor it's fucking beautiful but he would do okay in mma But like most Like just Theoretically most guys wouldn't

I think Gary Tonin's gonna do very well He's doing well already Yeah I think so too He's fighting in one FC But I think Gary Tonin has such a high level ground game Particularly with his leg locks Yeah And you know

And he can do everything Yeah You take your back Arm bar you Whatever you need And he's He's making his way through the ranks at one. I'm very excited about one.

Yeah, me too. I like one FC. I'm a big fan. You know, Gary Tonin, I don't know if he wrestled before, but he has a wrestler's mentality when it comes to jiu-jitsu. He's very aggressive, and he's fearless. He's fucking on the money. So I like his chances against anybody. Yeah, I like his chances to be a world champion.

Yeah, me too. In MMA, in any organization. Yeah. But I think on the ground, like, he's so far above almost everybody else he's going to face. I know. You know? Especially when it comes to the leg lock game. His leg locks are just, that whole Donaher death squad, you know, they're raising some fucking killers over there.

And I'm studying that shit now because I think there's a place for it. And I think that in MMA, people say, oh, that shit don't work. You're just going to get punched in the face. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Yeah. I'm like, because MMA guys don't really know how to do it right. Right. They're not doing it right.

It's true. They're just swinging their leg around trying to squeeze. They're not doing it right. Right. Well, even Paul Harris, you know, when they were talking about Gary Tonin was going to face Paul Harris, Paul Harris is so much bigger and so much stronger than Gary Tonin. And Gary Tonin is still threatening the fuck out of him. Had him in some real bad spots.

And, you know, they went to a draw. It was a draw. But, like, if there were points here. I mean, if you were to say who won. Well, first of all, they're not the same size. I mean, what is Gary fighting in one FC? 155? 155 probably. Paul Harris is like 200's a gorilla yeah and he's he's on every mexican supplement that's ever been invented he's like a little pit bull yeah novitsky would come to him

with a like a fucking paper towel and just wipe his oh we got everything on this towel every fucking every metabolite that's ever existed. Yeah, he's a gigantic guy. But they were saying that his leg game, even though it's effective in terms of MMA, like his transitions and his entries, they're very limited and they're obvious. And they were seeing him coming. And he showed it when they competed against him. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But I like Gary Turner, and I think he's going to do wonderful over there. I mean, it'll be interesting to see him fight, I mean, obviously, Eddie Alvarez. They're probably in the same division, so it'll be interesting to see that. Yes. Very, very interesting. Very interesting. Yeah, Eddie Alvarez going over there is huge. Mighty Mouse going over there is huge.

You know, Brandon Vera's the heavyweight champion now. You know, Brandon Vera's fucking people up over there. Is he? Yes. That's under the radar because you don't really hear much about him being over there fighting it seems like someone he knows been south of the border as well he's about 240 pounds now oh my god he's so jacked you never seen brandon vera now i haven't seen him in years dude i didn't even know he was fighting over he's smashing people yeah smashing people and he's like 240 plus pounds now. No shit.

Giant neck, fucking traps, jacked as fuck. Is he still training at Alliance? I believe so. I believe so. Yeah. But I tell you what, man. You were saying that leg lock game. Ryan Hall has the ability to beat anybody in the featherweight division.

Yeah. If he catches a hole of a limb, you got a real problem. I think he'd beat Holloway the same as he'd beat Anybody else I'm not saying he can beat him But I'm just saying like If he gets a hole in that damn leg

Yeah He's finished He could tap you He could tap anybody That's Yeah his level of Jiu Jitsu His understanding His technique

His skill level Is very very very high Like world championship caliber High Yeah Yeah But there's a bunch of guys Look at that That's Brandon Vera now Jacked levels very, very, very high. Like world championship caliber high. Yeah. Yeah. But there's a bunch of guys.

Look at that. That's Brandon Vera now. Jacked. He's jacked, dude. Show me a... Yeah, look at that. Remember when he was in the UFC, he was skinny and slim? Well, he's fighting 205 and heavyweight in the UFC. Now he's just heavyweight.

And so he just packed on some meat. Put a video of like, there's a Brandon Vera highlight KO video out there. But he's fucking people up over there, man. Let's see something. Just that one that's on the, oh, there we go. The truth.

Brandon Vera highlights. Dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun. Mr. Freak Z's 75, whatever the fuck that is. Whoever the gentleman is that put together this highlight reel. It says, The Truth, Brandon Vera Highlights, February 1 Championships Highlight Contest. Let me see some fighting parts. Is it all? No, here we go.

Boom. And Brandon Vera always had very high-level striking. Yeah, he was always crisp. Yeah. And they see the 1FC, you can head kick, and you can kick people apparently in the back of the head, which is kind of fucked up. I don't know what the competition is like in the heavyweight division at 1FC,

like what level it is, but I imagine with the size of the organization, about how big it is, that the competition is going to continue to rise in all weight classes. Right now, in terms of the number of people that are watching, it rivals the UFC. Does it really? It's giant in Asia.

Gi-gi-gi-gi-gi-giant. But I think it's going to continue. They're making a lot of money. Yeah, yeah to continue. They're making a lot of money. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're throwing a lot of money at elite fighters. I'm hoping they bring some more because they don't really have a strong American presence. Well, I think they're signaling by having Eddie Alvarez come over there. Misha Tate is running shit over there now, too, as well as Rich Franklin.

He's running things. I think he's the vice president there now. A lot of shit happening over there. We need it, man. We need another pride. We need something like that. Yeah, yeah's running things. I think he's the vice president there now. A lot of shit happening over there. We need it, man. We need another pride. We need something like that. Yeah, yeah, we do. Yeah, we do.

Listen, I'm all for it because I hate, you know, I work with a lot of guys. And I hate when they don't have nowhere to work. Exactly. You know, and like if we only rely on the UFC, we all know how that is. One bad performance means you're out. Or bad judging, right? Yeah, yeah yeah what did you think about the pfl i love the pfl yeah yeah i love it i love the structure um what's his name sean o'connell said something very interesting just off the top but he said i just made a million dollars and all i had to do was win and he repeated it all i had to do was win so to me i was like i guess he was just like

he didn't have to be a character and this is coming from probably the only character in pfl right and he said that because like none of them other guys could do that shit you know but um but who was watching i don't think anybody was that's the thing that's the problem yeah i'm surprised he beat vinny me too i thought he was gonna win the whole i thought i thought so too but um but then when i thought about it, I said damn, he's been training with Jeremy Horn probably his whole career. And Jeremy Horn is a wizard too.

But I trained a couple of the Russians for the PFL. Magma, he won the welterweight against Ray Cooper III. Yeah, Ray Cooper's a fucking beast. I know. 5'7". I know. 170 pounds, throwing bricks.

I know. When he fought Jake Shields and beat him twice like that, stopped him twice, I was like, Jesus, state championship wrestler? I know. Yeah, I didn't think he was, because my guy took him down early, and I was kind of surprised he took him down as early as he did, because he is a state champ. He seems small for the division. Yeah, he could probably fight at 155.

Yeah. Have a little more success. Yeah. But I like the fact that at least these guys have an option, a place they can win a million dollars. A million dollars? Yeah.

And that's in the finals. Leading up to it, they're still making good money. Yeah. The loser made 250 and then like... How do they get eyeballs though i don't know that's the problem that is the problem right that's the problem with everything

i mean even with bellator i mean the way they got eyeballs was to have like hoist gracie fight i mean that's the way they get eyeballs to have they have to have someone they have to have someone who's got a name you know i mean that's the reason why they brought over tito and chale and all these you know it's hard and that's what i was saying like sean o'connell like if you ever hear him talk like he's very charismatic and charming and he's the only person who probably can handle himself on a mic isn't he a radio guy i think so yeah yeah i think he's got a radio i think he's a sports radio guy and for him to say all i had to do was win you know implying that he didn't have to talk like what did i say for you know natan schultz who won the lightweight who can't speak you know right like it's i don't know i can't imagine where they go in three years because

they're not going to have many stars well it seems like what does it say 2018 one championship registered an average of 11 million viewers per live event across its core markets according to nielsen that's a lot of fucking people 2015 this figure was less than one oh pop-up ads got us son of a bitch 2015 this figure was less than 1 million viewers per live event so in three years they went from less than 1 million viewers per live event to 11 million viewers per live event that's fucking amazing of course across its core markets the article is comparing it to nba um viewership in asia dramatic increase in tv viewership fantastic can't be more happy hope they keep growing i hope they i hope they develop like real legit stars and also they have legit world championships across every combat sport over there they've got yodson khali

is doing m he's doing oh yeah yeah yeah i saw that yeah yeah nikki holtskin is doing kickboxing over there i saw that yeah yeah yeah they're i mean they're they're bringing in world beaters and basically every discipline yeah i mean I mean, I love it. I mean, you know, we both have our affiliation with the UFC, but like,

without these other organizations, the game don't last. Exactly. Yeah, the game can't last. Exactly. It's so critical.

It's so critical that there's more opportunities, and then also, it raises the level of the UFC as well. It raises everybody. The rising tide

raises all boats. Yeah. It really does. Hopefully, the UFC kind of takes a page from 1FC and does the weight thing well. It raises everybody. The rising tide raises all boats. Yeah. It really does. Hopefully the UFC kind of takes a page from 1FC and does the weight thing. I would love it. I would love it. Hopefully they force them into that. They're trying to figure out what to do about weight cutting.

I mean, they really are. They're trying to figure it out. And I brought to their attention the 1FC plan, how the 1FC does it. They basically eliminated it. Everybody goes up a weight. They moved every champion up a weight class. They do hydration it. Everybody goes up a weight. You know, they moved every champion up a weight class. They do hydration tests.

They find out what your actual weight is and they don't let you fuck around. And you fight at what you really weigh. I mean, that's really what it should be.

And if you need to be in a lighter weight class, guess what, fat boy? Time to fucking get on a bike. You're going to lose some weight. Lose some actual weight. Yeah, do it again next year. Try again next year.

I love that. Like, at the beginning of the year, this is what you're going to weigh and fight at for the year. Stay here. Yeah. If you don't like it next year, fucking get another weight class. That's right.

All right, dude. We just did three hours. Damn. Crazy. Time flies by. You see how that is? We finally did it. We finally did it.

I'm sitting here thinking I'll be on here for like 30 minutes. No, three hours. Or 15 minutes. And let's do it again, man. Yeah, I'm down, man. Listen, I'm down. And give everybody your social media addresses. At Dean Thomas.

At D-I-N Thomas. D-I-N Thomas. Or you go to me at, yeah, or at TrainBJJOnline. Okay. Yeah, so those are my two social medias. It's Dean Thomas on Instagram, Twitter, Facebook. Instagram, Twitter, Facebook, all of that. Everything.

All right. Beautiful. Thank you, brother. Yeah, man, holler at me. Appreciate it, man. My pleasure, man. Facebook, all of that. Everything. All right. Beautiful. Thank you, brother. Yeah, but holler at me. Appreciate it, man. My pleasure, man. It was fun. It was fun.

All right, folks. See you soon. Bye. We did it.