The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #57 with T.J. Dillashaw

Episode Date: January 31, 2019

Joe is joined by two-time and current UFC Bantamweight Champion, T.J. Dillashaw to discuss his most recent fight and more.

here we go in five four three two one tj yo how are you brother i'm doing good man what is it like now what is this uh what first of all what was it like that night if her people don't know let me just give you the rundown just so you don't have to say it cool you were involved in one of the most high profile flyweight fights. You're the bantamweight champion. You dropped down to flyweight. You went through this extensive training routine to get your body down to a manageable weight where you can cut the last 10 pounds or so and make 125. The fight starts.

Cejudo lands a good shot early. There's a lot of action, and the referee stops the fight. And I was shook by it. good shot early there's a lot of a lot of action and the referee stops the fight and i was i was shook by it everybody that i was watching the fight with was like what the fuck dude and it was almost universal like no one thought it was a good stoppage it's one of those stoppages where no one goes yeah it's a good stoppage stoppage no one everybody was like what the fuck you jumped off and you're like dude come on come on man it's been rough man it's a rough one to rough one to swallow on on multiple reasons you know um like you say he landed a good shot um everything's being overshadowed by this shot

that landed behind my ear you know um i was over off balance i threw a right hand i came in a little too aggressive that's the way i fight right he pushed me over i was off balance he threw a kick i blocked it and he went to throw a right hand and i came in a little too aggressive. That's the way I fight. He pushed me over. I was off balance. He threw a kick. I blocked it. He went to throw a right hand, and I tried to dip out of the way. It was one of those shots that hits you right behind the ear. Not illegal. We're on our feet.

It's completely illegal, but it was an unfortunate situation. One of those punches just kind of takes your feet out from underneath you. You're 100% there, but your equilibrium is off, and he jumps on me. I remember hearing the ref say, Dillashaw, show me something. I told him I'm good. And I remember talking to him before the fight in the back, and he said, like, if I'm telling you that, make sure you're talking to me. Give me, show me something, you know.

But how are you talking? I said it. I said I'm good. I mean, but in his, you know, from his perspective, how does he expect you to talk while you're blocking punches? He even said, too, in the back before the fight, too, like, like you know give me a thumbs up or something if you're in a choke this or that you know so uh to be honest i think he was i didn't i didn't know who he was i think he's really inexperienced watching him ref as well too jumping around as soon as the commotion kind of

kind of happened he was looking for a reason to stop it almost um but you know i think he was amped up yeah i mean it's a big fight for him too you know for him to get a high profile fight first time on espn plus yes big deal 100 huge huge deal 100 so that's i think that's the part that almost bugs me more is that i was there um but it was the shot that hit me behind the head um and then obviously the controversial stoppage so it's it's a rough one to swallow you know it's it's definitely uh been bugging me but uh i'm good about keep my mind off of things and staying busy i'm already back in the gym um doing business things and uh trying to stay as busy as possible so i don't think about it and

want to punch a hole through the wall every time i walk by one well it's such a different fight because it was such an arduous task for you to get down the flyway i mean people are looking you look great right now your Your face is full. You look healthy. But goddamn, dude, I saw you the week of the fight on television. Yeah. And I was like, look at his face. I looked like a tweaker.

Yeah, you did. You looked like you were, you know, Cejudo said it best. You look like an ultra marathon runner, like some guy who runs long distances. If I would have decided to lose all the weight at the end i wouldn't look like that right but i got my body down to five to six percent body fat you know so when i start losing anything towards the end it's going to come you're going to see it out of my face right you know and i'm one of those guys that loses and gains weight out of my face you know after my fights we call myself fat tyler because that's my my real name is tyler and i go by tj and so justin buckles gave me that

name back at alpha male like fat tyler i'd always get puffy face after my fight so my alter ego is fat tyler you know i'm going out and eating and being an asshole but um spaghetti and shit yeah exactly um but uh so when i when i decided to like if i did over 12 weeks so my body weight was down i mean my butt my my body fat percentage is down to five percent that's crazy And so when you lose any more water weight or anything, you're going to see it come out of your face because I was doing it for so long. Now, what was it like being that low as far as your body fat goes? What was your performance like physically? How did you feel?

I actually felt the best I've ever felt before I walked out before the fight. Really? Dude, that's another reason why I'm just so bitter about this thing is because i didn't get a chance to show the work that i put in i didn't get a chance to show all the science behind sam calvita and what he did to my body i was stronger for this fight than it was my last cody fight i walked out two pounds heavier for this fight than i did my last cody fight what did you walk out to before i started warming up i weighed 149 what yes and Yes, and I felt great. I didn't feel bloated.

I didn't feel nothing. Wait a minute. You went from 125 to 149. Yeah. I was a glycogen battery. I was ready to fucking go. I couldn't get tired before the fight when I was warming up in the back.

I seriously, like, I've never felt better than this before a fight. Like, my mood, my energy levels, like me hitting mitts with Dwayne in the back warming up. I was feeling smooth. I was feeling smooth.

I was feeling good. I remember even walking out in the cage and everything felt too good, almost too good. I remember looking over at Dwayne, smiling at him. I felt awesome. And that's even more of an unfortunate situation. I didn't get to really show that, you know? Well, I mean, hats off to Henry because he's a beast. Yeah, of course.

I mean, he did catch you and he is one of the best. Yep. And he's a, I mean, there's a, that kind of caliber of athlete is what made this fight so special. You being the Bantamweight champion, going down a flyweight. Yep. And I think the way you did it is probably the only way to really do it. Safely. Yeah. For sure. Yeah, I mean, I guess you were safe, because you were safe because you were only you were like what

135 ish the day before i made weight the night before the fight what are we are not the night before uh weigh-ins so i went to sleep um 1.3 pounds over and i floated that actually took a shit the morning of weigh-ins which is insane that never happens like my body was still working um i i wanted to make the weight the night before because obviously i hadn't made 125s i didn't want to wake up in the morning and see what my body was going to do and if it was going to give me that extra water um but i made i made weight super easy man like don't get me wrong the 12 weeks was a motherfucker it was hard it was a lot of work but though the actual weight cut was easy i had no hiccups nothing like sam would tell me like what to go to bed at he knew what i was going to wake up at he tells me the water loading i'm doing um the amount of

electrolytes i'm taking in the the amount of food i'm eating and so he knows exactly what my body's gonna wake up and do he's been tracking it for not two years now that guy sounds brilliant i really need to talk to him i've watched videos of him talking about it and seeing the work and just what a what a unique individual he is. I mean, that's why I decided to move back down to Southern California. For him, really? For him. Wow.

And then everything else kind of came along with it. My life is wonderful now. The people I got around me. I'm lucky that I have Dwayne Ludwig that's willing to travel out and train with me out there. But I moved down to Southern California because of Sam Calavita. And I came down to two weeks with him and started noticing, yeah this guy knows his shit you know yeah i didn't really uniquely uniquely know i mean there's a lot of people out there who know their shit but he seems like he's on some new level i mean he sent me graphs that i have on my phone of like the like he like to

every week we knew exactly where my body weight wanted to be at he was telling me weights that i'd be at before i would even be there my body would just do it you know um so you didn't need a separate person so he's here this is what's unusual about this normally if you would hire somebody you you would hire like a george lockhart or someone like that mike dolce and then you would you would hire them almost specifically just for the weight cut and some nutrition advice. He's training you physically as well. He's told me my low base, like so my long distance running or my fasted low base. Yeah, he does everything, my strength conditioning, my nutrition. They make my meals.

They do all my meal prep. He's told me like how much low base I need to do per week, like either morning or night. He's told me when I should train. Everything is completely mapped out. There's no guesswork in it. There's nothing. he's telling me when i should train um it's a everything is completely mapped out i don't there's no guesswork in it there's nothing like he's telling me everything like he's listening to my heart rate when i'm sleeping my heart rate variabilities he's telling me what supplements to take um all of it you know like everything i i seriously and and that's that's another reason why it's just so tough that this fight didn't get to like really

let me prove anything not only for myself and who i am but so tough that this fight didn't get to, like, really let me prove anything, not only for myself and who I am, but the work that this guy put in. You know, like, I'm going to sit here and brag about him and tell him how badass he is, but then people want to tell me, like, oh, you're malnourished. You don't have a chin. 125s was a bad cut for you. They're giving him crap all over the place. And I've almost felt just as bad for him as I do for myself for how much work he put into it

and actually how great I felt before the fight, and I didn't get a chance to show it. Like I said, I walked out at 149, glycogen battery, ready to go. I really never felt better. I know, man. It was insane. I really couldn't believe how my body absorbed everything. So what are you walking around like now? I'm in low 50s. I'm in low 50s right now, but that's because around like now i'm in low 50s i'm in

low 50s right now but that's because i'm trying to be at low 50s my body instantly wanted to just store everything and i got up to like 60s low 60s and i was like oh shit so i started doing some uh hot yoga and going to where i just worked out with sam yesterday i'm going to his house later after this you know so um that's kind of the only way my mind can stay at ease right now with everything that's been going on is that I need to get back in the gym. What was that night like after it was over? I mean, going back to your dressing room and going back to your hotel. It was rough, man.

It was definitely a motherfucker. I was pissed. Everyone wants to call me a sore loser. know everyone wants to call me like a sore loser i've never said i wasn't a sore loser i fucking hate losing more than anybody i mean you you show me a champion or a high level competitor that likes losing and i'll call you a liar you know what i mean i think you're 100 correct and jamie and i have talked about this many times when you know we're talking about uh lebron james or mich Michael Jordan. Those guys were infamous for being terrible losers. I hate losing.

Yeah, I mean, I just don't think you get to be that elite of the elite unless you're a fucking maniac. I really think that. I mean, I think about it constantly. I'm one of those OCD guys that if I'm not in the gym, I'm thinking about it. I'm thinking about my training. And sometimes I need to distract myself. That's why I distract myself with other businesses or things i got going on because i think about it too much um and so especially when it's a controversial thing when people are questioning things and

yeah it's going to piss you off even more i mean i hate losing so you're definitely going to see that so that night was rough man i mean the ride back to the hotel and you know i didn't want to go out i didn't really want to eat i just wanted to hang out with my son you know like right just get me away from fighting let me think about my family so yeah so um where is everything at right now in terms of have you talked to the ufc what was their take on everything um i know dana said it was a quick stoppage yeah i mean everyone's been saying it's a quick stop big john mccarthy big john mccarthy's calling out the ref saying he thought it was a quick stoppage. We got Dana texting me. I talked to Mike Beltran a couple nights ago.

He was saying the same thing. Yeah. I mean, so everyone thinks it, you know, and Dana was saying like, hey, kid, we'll figure it out in the next couple of days. Early stoppage. I'm obviously pissed about it. There's nothing I want this to happen, you know. So my manager, Tiki, he's been in talks.

We haven't really heard nothing yet on the decision of what's going to happen. I love Tiki manager tiki he's been in talks we haven't really heard nothing yet on on the decision what's going to happen i love tiki he's the best he's a great guy he's he's a great manager because he's been in the fight game yes he's been around he's fought he's been here forever early ufc days he's such a good dude too he's got such a great personality he's just a fun guy to be around yeah so he's been he's been um awesome for my career i've only been with him for a short while time but he's been awesome for me but uh he's been in talks with uh hunter and dana and so we're i'm hoping to figure out something soon because i'm i'll fight tomorrow you know like i'll fight henry at whatever weight he wants i obviously would prefer 25s because i put in a lot

of work and i want to show that i i know what i'm doing and it wasn't a fluke. Or that this was a fluke. That this wasn't something that... Well, here's the deal. Even if the fight went longer and he stopped you, and he legitimately stopped you. Look, he's Henry Cejudo. That's a possibility. This is the game. This is what it is. That's why MMA is so great.

Anything can happen. You know what I mean? You go out there, no matter if you're the huge favorite, anything happen yes what it just didn't get a chance to happen that's what's unfortunate i mean he really did land some good shots he really was coming on strong but he came out ready yeah he was he was ready yeah he's a bad motherfucker and he and you so are you which is why that fight was so interesting he had some shit to prove he was there to save the flyweight division yeah and look he did it. I mean, until I had the balls enough to drop down to 125s,

there really wasn't any hype on a flyweight fight. But now there was. And now there still is. And he wants to talk about saving the flyweight division. Then let's do it. Well, I think he wants to go up. Of course. Because then he can be champ-champ.

And I understand that. There was no champ champ before. When Conor came around, Conor really changed the game in so many ways. But I mean, one of the ways he changed the game was calling himself champ champ. Now everybody is champ champ. You know, Ryan Bader's champ champ.

You know, I mean, Amanda Nunes is champ champ. It's a way to market yourself and get your name out there. It is a really big deal, you know. But the term champ champ. That is a fucking Conor McGregor That's a Conor McGregor term. He's got some gold behind his touch. Anything he touches turns into gold.

I know. Lucky charm. He's a character. He really is. And I understand that. I'll fight Henry Suda whatever way he wants to fight because I have no I can't dictate where it goes because I just hope it because it just happened. Well, it seems like the correct weight to do it would be at 25. Because if you guys fought at 35, it's a different ball of wax.

100%. I just think given the circumstances and the fact that you did make the weight fairly, not easy, I would never say easy. I would say easy. I mean, like I said, it's a lot of work. But, dude, I can't believe how actually easy it was. not easy i would never say easy i would say easy i mean like i said it's a lot of work but dude i can't believe how actually easy it was um i mean it was going through the graphs that sam showed me and it was remarkable i got stronger i was putting up more weight so the last week before i left before my fight i was snatching and cleaning uh more weight than my last cody fight

and i was lighter so my power ratio was insane it almost is unheard of. But I think it's because of how strict I had to be for those 12 weeks is maybe why. What was your diet like? What did you eat? You can't be in ketosis, obviously, because I trained too hard, right? But no grains. If I'm eating carbs, it's simple carbs, things like that. Like fruits?

Yeah, fruits, vegetables, sweet potatoes, things like that. Are yeah fruits vegetables sweet potatoes things like that and you're weighing everything out they do all that i i'm not doing it personally myself sam and his family do it um the training lab they make every meal every snack so i'm eating three meals a day i'm actually eating pretty good calories too i'm eating three meals a day two snacks a day um but it's also about when i stop eating, my intermittent fasting, me doing my low base while I'm fasting to get my body to be burning 100% fats. When you said doing your low base, what do you mean by that? My long distance. Low cardio, slow movements, long sessions.

Yes, so it's not hard, right? It's something where I keep my heart rate at a certain variable. Depending on what my VO2 max is, what my RMR is, there's this crossover where your body starts burning carbs or starts burning fats. If you're sprinting, you're going hard and hard and hard, your body's going to start burning carbs because it needs to burn carbs to go that hard. But when you're at a certain level, like, so for instance, when I started camp, my crossover was at 145. So I need to keep my heart rate under 145 for maybe 45 minutes, or now i'm getting closer i need to lose more weight i need to go an hour so 145 is uh is that 80 no 70 of your heart rate must be uh everyone's different

it depends what your vo2 is right um i don't remember what mine was exactly percentage wise but at 145 is a sweet spot where you're burning fat at the beginning of camp but towards the end of the camp i can go to like 155 because i got in better shape um my my i i don't know i was just in better shape as a better machine to where i could go harder and still be in a fat burning substrate um and then he would dictate if i needed to do 40 minutes in a minute maybe an hour at night and depending on how we wanted my body to react and then he's also spiking and taking away my insulin levels to get my, cause I don't want to be in ketosis always, right? Cause my body will crash, but I need to be in it to get my body weight down without losing weight unhealthy. If I would have

waited to last two weeks to crash my weight, I would have been dehydrated, but all the way up until weigh-ins, my body was over 60, 60% hydrated. Most of the camp I was 66% hydrated. And that's because you don't only get hydrated from the water you drink. You're hydrated from the supplements you're going to take and the food you're taking in inside your cells. So when you say you're getting into ketosis, are you doing it 100% through diet or are you taking exogenous ketones? Are you doing anything else? Just diet and the way I work out. Diet the way you work out.

And then the intermittent fasting is a 16-hour window you're using? We switch it up. When I was getting closer to fight, yeah. But when I was further out, maybe like 14 hours, things like that. And I didn't have to intermittent fast the whole camp. Just after a certain point where I needed to get my body weight even lower than it was at. There's this trend that we were following to continue to get my body weight even lower than it was at there's this this trend that we were following to continue to get my body weight down and he would um implement certain things to to force it that direction wow it's just i've never seen i mean i know some pretty

well documented training routines and diet routines and some guys have really gotten into the weeds with this stuff but i don't think I've ever seen it like you. Man, I was always into training and doing everything as well as I can and finding every angle I could possibly be to be the best athlete. That's my competitive edge. And then when I met Sam, I knew that was my next level. Right. And I didn't realize that I had low tests before I met Sam

until he tested my levels and did my hair analysis and all that stuff. I didn't realize what was going on with my body. I just trained hard and I thought I was training smart. Right. Um, and then I met Sam and it took it to a whole nother level. Well, the training hard, sometimes the problem is your body just never really gets a chance to catch up. Never really gets a chance to recover.

And there's a lot of really good fighters that are doing that to themselves because they're just, you know, especially wrestlers, they have that mentality have that mentality just they just fucking go they don't care if they're miserable they're mentally tough they keep pushing and your body just is always behind the eight ball you never really get a chance to recover i was redlining my body you know i was i was not eating right i was working out as hard as i possibly could pounding the caffeine uh and my body was just telling me no. My testosterone was crashed. And to see where it's at now is amazing.

And what did he do to boost it back up? My diet, my supplementation, which all my supplements are food-based for the most part. I mean, they'll be supplements, but they're aminos and all whole food-based stuff. Magnesium, zinc. Oh, yeah, magnesium, zinc, tryptophan, ornithines, glycines, tyrosines

all different ways and different times to take them depending on what i'm doing um the certain kind of creatines i'm taking my proteins are all uh organic um he's this company organe that's i take a lot of their stuff you know they're they're everything's tested or organic um so everything i'm doing is all whole food-based supplements. And then the way I'm training as well too. So he's listening to my heart rate variability when I sleep. So what are you wearing? I wear a heart rate monitor made by Suunto.

Okay, yeah. Great company. Yeah, it's not so much the heart rate monitor that does it. It's his algorithm that does it. So every morning I wake up, my phone is connected to my watch. I send my heart rate what kind of phone uh phone just a apple phone but it's just the app is uh first beat i think it is but your watch it's connected to your do you have a watch it's one of those traverse alphas is that what it is yeah mine's uh yeah something like that but it connects to your phone through bluetooth and then um and so

you're wearing the monitor with the watch the watch is just on the nightstand okay i sleep with the monitor on and it'll track me all the way through my sleep and you mainly want like you know when you get into that REM sleep and it's like three hours and it'll automatically wake up i sync it to my phone it sends it to his program and then he's got an algorithm to tell me like what percentage recovery i am you know so this is his own proprietary program that he's developed himself yeah jesus christ it's taking him i mean dude this guy's a genius man i'm telling you like me hanging out with him for two years and i'm finally getting it all somewhat down you know i've learned so much from him i mean i've learned more from him in the last two years than i ever learned through school and i was a

kinesiology major i was clinical exercise science i was gonna be a physician's assistant i was always into the body but just going and working out with him in his garage a little tiny you know garage that it looks like you never think world champions train there ever you know like the aaron picos the one arch let as myself cub swanson like all these badass guys going and training there's just some little garage but i've learned more from him in that garage than I've ever learned through any of my schools and wanted to become a physician's assistant. That's crazy. Yeah.

What did you think of the Pico fight? Oh, man, so unfortunate. Crazy, right? Because he's just, he's such a killer that he wants to knock everyone out. Not only does he want to be the best fighter in the world, but he wants to be the most entertaining fighter in the world. So he's looking to punish you because he's got so many weapons that he doesn't use um he's so good man um but he lives by the sword and he dies by the sword

kind of thing you know he wants to be that that knock you out entertaining fighter he wants to be able to show a highlight reel first round knockouts you know um which is great yeah but you always have to understand that you are just like the guy right in front of you and then one shot especially in mma one shot can turn it all around and it did it was one of the most shocking knockouts i think i've ever seen because it looked like he looked fucking phenomenal he came out there and we knew that he had been training with you for this fight he was fucking fucking shredded. He looked like a world beater. Went out there, landed that clean uppercut, and then got just way carried away. Yeah.

And it's unfortunate because you think I'm in shape and I do crazy things. This guy's putting me to shame. Like in Sam's garage, what he's able to do on the bike and just his workout regimen and like just how competitive he is, man, he's a world beater. He could be by far a world champion. You know, there's some things that he's so young. So there's some things beater he could be by far world champion you know there's some things that he's he's so young so there's some things we need to get to figure out everyone takes losses and uh hoping one of these is going to spark him to realize how good he is everywhere

you know and uh yeah it's just an unfortunate situation mma yeah i mean guys have bounced back from knockouts and become world champions unquestionably it's just he's got to make sure he doesn't have too many of those and make sure he fights smart. Agreed. Use that goddamn wrestling. Dude, it's insane wrestling. I mean, he's so good as a wrestler. And when he gets that guy hurt, he's collar tied.

They're grabbing each other by the neck and just swinging shots. You're flipping a coin. You're rolling the dice. What, has he got six fights or something like that? Yeah. I mean, it's one of those inexperienced things and he's only 22 yeah I mean

that's the other thing and you realize like when he dropped him he could have jumped on him he could have swarmed him like Henry did to me you know like jump on him and swarm him

and look for that finish but definitely I think the inexperience kind of makes him realize like maybe he's invincible and just I don't know man

there's things that you kind of figure out when you've been out in the cage longer and longer and you've been around the career, you understand there's ways to finish a fight or how to just be a smart fighter that he'll figure out. What was the whole experience like being on this ESPN card? Because that was a historic moment, much like the Cain Velasquez versus Junior Dos Santos fight.

Which also stopped the same way. Well, no, that was legit. We got controversial. That was not controversial. The punch, though. The punch that landed was also behind the ear. Yeah, same punch. You know, like it's one of those things that you, it just takes your feet off.

If you've ever fought or if you've ever been in, got hit in the back of the head. Weird. Your feet go out from underneath you, but you're there. Like you're 100% aware of what's going on, but your balance isn't there. Then you have another grown man on top of you, you know. So, of course, you know? So of course things are going to happen. But, uh, with the ESPN, it was really cool.

The whole lead up to it, they filmed, they came and filmed my, they were around a lot. They did a lot of exposure. They, um, the stuff they put out was really cool. And then just seeing like our commercial for our fight on national football on ESPN or for the call, you know, cause college was going on and then you'd see the nationals was going on and you'd see me and Henry, like three different commercials on ESPN or for the college, you know, because college was going on. And then you'd see the nationals was going on and you'd see me and Henry, like three different commercials on ESPN. I thought that was pretty cool. No, it was amazing. You know, I mean, it really, it's cool to see.

It's cool to see that ESPN is embracing the sport and that it's getting into it. And, you know, there was a lot of hype behind this. And, you know, I got ESPN Plus. I wasn't, you know, I mean, I'm not a sports fan. I don't watch sports fan i don't watch sport i don't even know what's happening like what people like what are you doing for the superbowl i'm like when's that that's exactly what i did i don't have time for it man um i'm a i'm a raiders fan but i don't have time to really watch you know right um but yeah i mean it's just when you think

of sports you think espn yeah you really do i mean it's another level of acceptance in the in the sports world the only thing that kind of bummed me out and I should probably clarify this because I talked about this on the podcast was the Hardy fight and not not even because I don't think the guy should be fighting or not even because I think I you know I don't I don't really know what he did in terms of his past. I know there's a lot of shit, right? I mean, he was in trouble for something. There was an appeal, and he got off of it somehow. I don't know. Yeah.

But I'm only talking about it from a fighting perspective. You're watching the highest level fights. You're watching the co-main event. He's just not ready for a co-main event. No. Like, technically, no. No way. He's just not ready for a co-main event. Like technically no. No way. Yeah. Just he rushed out.

He gassed out. He burned himself out. Crowder recovered. And it just, it's not, the way it should be is you should have the early fights are people who are learning the sport. And then when you get to the last couple of fights, the co-main and the the main you're supposed to be seeing assassins like you and henry sahuda that's what you're supposed to be seeing and i just yeah crazy thing about our sport is there's a lot of entertainment behind it as well too so if you're hyped up you get pushed up the ladder maybe you

get title fights sooner than you should that's crazy it is i mean because now we're on esp and now we're like we're an official i mean we've been an official sport, but, yeah, it should be more on the level, like you're talking about, of the actual skill level and how you're ranked. I mean, Cowboy Cerrone and Alex Kidd should have been the co-main event. A hundred percent. I was stunned that it wasn't. I couldn't imagine. They were on ESPN, though. They wanted to kind of hype up ESPN+.

That makes sense. That makes sense for that reason. But there's another fight they could have put in place of that i mean there's a hundred percent and again this is not a knock on crowder or hardy they're guys out there doing it they're they're trying they did their job they did their job they're fighting i mean the ending was super unfortunate yeah again you don't know whether or not he did it on purpose whether he had a mental you're getting punched in the face that stuff happens so fast chaos yeah i mean especially because he is so new right yes he hasn't been fighting forever like that stuff just happens like oh i got him hurt boom yes you know exactly like there's things like i've even done

in practice like oh shit dude i'm so i'm in practice and i did something i'm like oh man that was stupid like if that happens in a fight i I'm losing a point. I'm so sorry. It just bums me out that this rush to commercialization, that this rush to trying to get the most eyes on it, the people that are watching it, if you watch something where there's two guys who really aren't ready for a co-main event, you're seeing sloppiness and guys getting out of gas real quick and you're seeing all the things that you're supposed to learn early in your career so that by the time you get to a co-main event, you're a fucking assassin. You're locked down and 100% professional.

You're a real elite pro fighter. That's what I want to see when I'm watching ESPN. That's what I want to see. I want to see the best of the best. I want to see world-class fighters fighting with precision and power and speed and knowing how to pace themselves. Guys with experience. They've been there before. They know how to recover from – they get cracked.

They know how to lay back. They know how to hold on. They know how to do what they need to do in order to win or fight their best. Instead of like you're seeing things and so many people are seeing this at this point and i feel like we're getting fans now that are more knowledgeable like yourself and and and people are seeing the sport and understanding technique now to where before maybe it didn't matter right you didn't know what bad technique is now you know but we get more knowledgeable fans to where they are going to start realizing

like what was that right the last thing you want to see is two heavyweights gassed out yes that is the fucking worst yeah do you remember when um what was it ben rothwell was it mark hunt i think it was ben rothwell and mark hunt fought in i want to say it's those two guys but i might be wrong see if that's in den. They made them fight at altitude. I remember the fight in Denver. I don't know if it was them either, but yeah. It was fucking ridiculous because they're at altitude, and they're so goddamn tired.

And the UFC is like, we're never going to do a heavyweight fight again ever at altitude. Was it? Yeah, it was Ben Rothwell and Mark Hunt. But then they wound up doing Cain Velasquez and... Verdum. Verdum. Fabrizio Verdum.

In Mexico City. In Mexico City, which is even higher. It's 2,000 feet above Denver. Verdum was smart and went up there early. Yeah, way early. He looked like a killer out there. Yeah, way early. And I think, from what I remember, that Cain went out there two weeks before the fight,

which actually makes it worse for you. It'd be better off if you went up there three days before the fight because your body's still in shock right rather than going up there in two weeks and now your body's screwed yeah you know you need to be there if you're going to be there early go six weeks or more don't don't go less if you're going to go less come a three a couple days because your body's still in shock and you see how a fight like that can literally change the course of a fighter's career yes i mean it changed kane's career in many ways you know one one loss like that to a guy like fabrizio verdun you know um he's fighting real real soon excited for that frances and gano i hope he's healthy he has to be i hope so god damn it yeah i mean if

he's not he's in trouble because man he could be the best heavyweight i mean i think he was the best heavyweight just unfortunate situations where he didn't get to to prove that i mean he's one of the well i think his thing was that his body just couldn't deal with his mind like his mind is so strong and his his will and his work ethic is so powerful and that goddamn camp of killers up in true san jose aka is just assassin central and just the years of wrestling. Yeah. I mean, wrestling hurt me more than anything. Really?

Anything that I still do today, even if I get hurt today, it's from wrestling practice. Wrestling is the hardest thing on my body. Your neck, your back, your shoulders. I mean, it's rough. Sam Calvita's son right now, AJ, he's been on the couch for the last four months and it was from wrestling he hurt his back he uh bulging disc in his back

or herniated disc um from wrestling and he's 16 years old Jesus Christ that's a rough one when you're that young and you hurt your back yeah man yeah wow yeah so it's what part of his back it's lower yeah lower back yeah what's he got him doing for it I would always assume a guy like that knows exactly what to do to try to heal something like that. Yeah, so he's been doing it. So we've been, he's had to, they tried doing everything naturally, but he's had to go and get a couple epidurals now to kind of shrink the swelling. So it's pushing on a nerve. And so it's messing with the sciatic nerve and it's hard for him to walk. He was having to crawl around the house like a dog, like laid on the couch forever.

Now he's starting to walk. But Sam's got him out in the garage doing pull-ups because that's the only thing he can do because it's a decompression. You know, he's able to hold onto the bar at least and get some pull-ups in and start to strengthen his back so that it will hold his spine kind of where it needs to be. Because he's losing insane amounts of muscle mass. I mean, this kid was 16 years old, looking good, working out with his dad out in the garage and then gets hurt now he looks like a different person i feel bad for him being a 16 year old kid you know well i definitely feel bad that he looks bad but i really feel bad that he's got that kind of an injury at 16 that's a that's an injury you see which guys in their 20s and 30s and you you know you realize it's a lifetime of beating on it

that when you get to that when you're 16 that's not good i dealt with it in my neck um in college and then also early in my fighting career and it messes with you i had to get a epidural shot in my neck throughout the front bulging disc uh yeah i was pushing on a nerve i lost like 70 percent of the strength of my left arm and it's rough man, I was on my way to the exact same thing. I was getting numbness in the hands and the ulnar nerve, which goes from like your pinky down through your elbow. I was getting pain in my elbow. But I got real lucky that I found a good doctor,

got some spinal decompression and Regenikine. Regenikine really fixed it for me. Yeah, it's that blood-spinning procedure. They heat up your blood, and then they run it through a a centrifuge and they pull this yellow serum out of it. Is that your plasma, right? Yeah, yeah. We detailed it, what it is. We showed a thing from the website that shows the stuff they add to it.

But it was pretty remarkable. And a lot of people with back injuries are finding real powerful relief for that. Because not only does it reduce the inflammation, but it actually really speeds up your healing. But for me, the spinal decompression was like one of the best things ever. Just that harness that you strap on your neck and hang from the door. That fucking thing is amazing. That click, click, click.

Have you done that one? I have the one that it's not as nice as that one. I've used it where you pump it up. Oh, that's a good one too. It's like a little neck brace you put on and it hardly fits on anything. And you pump it up and it really stretches your neck out. That's great too. I'm going to try to get taller.

Well, you definitely get shorter as you get older. That's true. And that's what it is. I mean, Eddie Bravo gained an inch. He's 5'9 now because he had a disc replaced. Oh, wow. Yeah. Well, all the years of jujitsu and weightlifting and wrestling, everything is getting squashed.

Especially him folding himself in half all the time. Yeah. Oh, his lower back was destroyed. I can imagine. Destroyed. And also, he's not the kind of guy who balances everything out. He just kind of does it and then smokes weed because he eats a burrito. So, yeah.

So, his lower back was just fucked, beyond fucked. It was essentially bone on bone. And just constant state of inflammation. He was always in pain. Like he'd be standing up. Like if we were somewhere, like say if we went to a bar and had a couple drinks or something like that, he'd be standing up. He'd be in pain just standing for too long.

And this is a world-class jujitsu practitioner. So he got his disc replaced. And gained an inch. Yeah. They put a, well, I mean, he had nothing. So he got his disc replaced. And gained an inch. Mm-hmm. Wow. They put a, well, I mean, he had nothing, and then all of a sudden he's got an inch of disc. Wow. And it's a titanium articulating disc, so it actually moves around.

It's not fused. Okay. So in the old days, they would take your two, you know, the vertebrae and lock them together and screw them in place. And it's a nightmare because, and it puts an artificial load on the upper disc above it and the lower disc because now there's this unusual leverage there. But instead of that, now they use a disc, an actual disc. They put it in place, and it lasts a long-ass fucking time, and it moves around like you, and he doesn't have any pain anymore.

And guys are back to rolling. I know some real chris weidman actually just got a disc replaced in his neck i saw that as well yeah now but kane had his fused right because he had back problems and his was his fused he's got a bunch of shit going on his back he's had multiple back surgeries i don't know the exact extent of all the different surgeries that he got but he's definitely got a lot of stuff going on in his back yeah interesting to see him i hope he comes back healthy and looks good look man um skill for skill ability for ability i think he if he's not the best of all time it's him and fedor you know and then you

always have to mention verdum because even though stipe knocked verdum out in the first round verdum has submitted the best of the best he He submitted Minotauro. He submitted Fedor. He submitted Kane. I mean, what the fuck? I mean, that guy is just – Verdum's record. If you just look at – Who he's fought. Who he's fought, he's the best. Yeah.

In my opinion. And for how long he's been around. But it's like – but when did he beat those guys? Like, when did he beat those guys? Did he beat those – like, when he beat Fedor? Fedor was as close to his prime as you can get. When, you know, like it's hard to say. Like the Brett Rogers fight, a lot of people were saying he wasn't as focused for the Brett Rogers fight.

But he still knocked him out with one punch. Remember that crazy fucking KO? Anytime. You got to be ready for Fedor with one punch. But Verdum handled him, you know, on the ground and submitted him. I would have loved to have seen what it was like in Pride if he could fight him when Fedor was at his peak, like back when he beat Minotauro.

Yeah. But Verdum, you know, he's overlooked in that argument of who's the best. And in terms of accomplishments as a UFC fighter, well, it's Stipe. Because Stipe's the only guy to defend the title four times, and it really kind of bums me out that he's out of the conversation right now yeah you don't hear about a stipe fight he's like a two in which i feel like he should get more attention for this he's just a normal guy like he has a full-time job or he's a firefighter like i feel like more people should resonate with him because of that yeah but they don't i don't he's a fucking great guy i feel like you have to kind

of be an asshole to get attention these days i don don't know. I mean, I feel like if he had beaten DC and, you know, I mean, beat Francis, that was a big fight because Francis came into that fight with a lot of hype and after the Overeem knockout. Yeah. Stipe fought like a fucking champion. Really fought like a champion. Smart. And he showed Francis and

look, Francis fought after that. He was not the same thing. No. When he fought after that and he fought Derek Lewis, you could see he was still- He didn't want to throw anything. Right. He was still fucked up from that last fight. Yeah. And he admitted it to his credit.

He bounced back with the Curtis Blades fight and looked fantastic in that fight. Which is a big one for him because Blades is an awesome wrestler. Exactly. Blades is a very athletic wrestler. He's huge. Yeah. He's big. He's fast.

He's powerful. And that's twice Francis has beaten him, but twice he's powerful and you know and that's twice francis has beaten him twice he stopped him that was his first ufc fight so um he stopped him then he stopped him in this one as well so coming into this fight with kane you know there's there's a lot of questions we haven't seen kane in two years yeah right it's been about two years yeah it may be even longer let's say when was the last time Cain Velasquez fought. Yeah, I think you might be right I think it might be three years. It's been a while. It's crazy. I know. But when when he was at the top of the food chain when Cain was at the top

He would put a fucking storm on these people that was just like a hundred year storm that would never end It's like how is this guy have this kind of endurance? And to see Verdun to do that to him in Mexico City was crazy. I thought it was gonna be the other way around. Yeah, it was crazy. See, Kane, tired. So, here we go. 2016. Yep, July 9th. So, two and a half years. Yeah, almost. Yeah. And that was Travis Brown, which is just a phenomenal beating.

And that was UFC 200. Yeah. And they did the Junior Dos Santos one. And the fight before that was a year. You know, so he's like, it's not like he's been active. Well, he had shoulder surgery. And the fight before that was a year. Mm-hmm. So it's like he's been active. Well, he had shoulder surgery. And then 2013, look at those gaps. Yep, yep.

Dang. Two-year gaps. Yep. Two-year gaps, one year, two-year again. That's rough, man. Yeah, it is rough. Especially when this is your job and how you get paid. Fuck yeah, right?

Yeah. The lucky is a heavyweight, and they get taken care of a little more, but yeah. You know? Right? Yeah. They're lucky he's a heavyweight and they get taken care of a little more, but yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's just, I wonder how much you could fix all that stuff that's going on in the spine. Yeah. You know, I mean, it's one thing if a guy gets a knee, you know, he's got ACL or something like that, you know that you can come back from that. That's 100% possible. But back stuff is weird.

from that that's 100 possible but back stuff is weird once it seems like once things start going it's like you like a car you know once a ball joint blows out and the axle starts grinding you're like oh jesus it's like a bunch of shit's gonna go wrong something that that's like your core yeah but at his best man he was fucking terrifying yeah because it's just i never saw a heavyweight with that kind of endurance. Man, I remember being so scared of Cain Velasquez when I was,

I think I talked about this last time on your podcast when I was a kid wrestling in college because I was like this tiny ass little white boy wrestler and Cain would walk around

with just his singlet straps on and shorts and he had brown pride tattooed across his chest. He's just a huge heavyweight wrestling D1 for ASU. I was just like so scared of that guy.

I was like, damn, look at that guy, man. Walking around like wondering, wandering probably ripped my head off has brown pride tattooed on his chest just wearing just his singlet straps just huge it's funny yeah i remember him forever man well you know him and dc having that kind of a relationship is such a unique situation for the two fighters that they have you know another elite guy that's their size and they just smash each other left and right and work with each other that's what i try to create wherever i go um and that's what we're doing in southern california i know warner chaletta

aaron pico's cub swanson's we're trying to build a room of smaller guys that we can but we're a lot we don't want to kill each other right and that's something that we i've always had to control myself i've always gone really hard and something I've had to learn to control. But having that room full of killers so that when we go to wrestling practice, like you don't know if you're going to have a good practice. You might be getting beat up on that day. Right. You go home and be all pissed off like, shit, I had a bad practice.

I got taken down with this. But that's what makes you better for the next practice. If you just go to practice and beat up on everyone every day, you're never going to know what you need to change or what you need to get better at. So I think that's why Kane and DC have gotten so good, so quick at MMA, that each other to build off of. Yeah, if you can survive it. Yeah.

If you survive it, yeah. And, you know, like the knock on AKA, some people said they train too hard because they're always injured. But look at the amount of champions they produced. Yes. Look at the amount of fucking killers that have come out of there luke rockhold dc kane khabib i mean get the fuck out of here that place is a a den of assassins yeah if you can survive it right yeah it's perfect i mean yeah i mean that's the only way man i mean look it's not good to spar full clip like old

school lion's den days yeah where they used to beat the shit out of each other or the militant days i mean nobody knew anything back then they didn't know the consequences they didn't know what it's like it was speaking which um there's an article in the new york times today that i was reading on uh a guy that we knew jason harriston um and it just talks about his cte and how bad it was and um you know jason is a guy who founded this clothing company that we know called Kuyu. And he'd been on the podcast before. I knew him pretty well. Yeah, it's crazy because something you never would have guessed how bad it was either.

Yeah, because... Every time I see him, he's happy. He's awesome. For people who don't know the story, committed suicide um about a year ago or so yeah about that yeah and um no one no one outside of it saw it coming it was a just a giant crazy blow and um you know i was uh texting back and forth with one of his friends and uh you know essentially said he had a broken brain man didn't make sense because you when your brain's broken it's like having a broken phone it's like having a broken anything it's just broken it's not it's not

working right it's irrational it doesn't make sense i couldn't imagine the thoughts that had been going through his head to have that happen because like i was texting him two weeks before it happened like talking about going on a hunt with him and doing this and that and he's like talking about how great the business is doing like Like you think he's living the American dream, like awesome, you know? So it's tough, man.

I couldn't even, I couldn't even put myself like to have that kind of torture. Well, you know, he was friends with Donald Jr. Donald Trump Jr. And, you know,

they hunted together and he was talking to him just a few hours before, like everything was fine. Yeah. You know, they were going back and forth with each other. Everybody was blown away. Like what happened? Like how, how could this possibly happen? Yeah fine yeah you know they were going back and forth to each other everybody was blown away like what happened like how how could this possibly happen yeah but you know scary thing more reason for us to be smart as we possibly can with our training yes a hundred percent that's what i was going to get into this um that that you there is a way to train hard

but save your body from especially critical damage like brain damage there is a way to do that and duane has been a savior to me because of that you know duane with his experience of fighting and being through the gyms and him probably going too hard himself we've learned a lot of hard drilling and and live drilling uh through him that is probably gonna prolong my career and hopefully my life and and not going as hard and just sparring. Because before Dwayne, when I was at Off Metal, we sparred like three or four times a week. We just went. That's what we did.

We were wrestlers and that's how we knew how to get better was just go. And then he came in and started teaching us how to drill and how to really get better. And your reaction times and everything with fighting without having to beat yourself up so much. My injuries were less. I wasn't getting injured as much. and i actually got a lot better too yeah i think sparring is critical i think it is important but i think maybe as critical or maybe more is drilling and this is with all martial arts including jujitsu and jujitsu it's you know you know you do jujitsu it's fun so everybody wants to just slap hands punch knuckles and start rolling because it's fun.

It's fun. It's like a fun game you're doing. It's a good release. Yeah. But the best way to get better at it is to constantly drill. And then you develop these pathways that are just ingrained in your subconscious. And so when you're in that half guard position, you immediately go for that underhook. You immediately, you know the path. You know where to go. Instead of ad-libbing and thinking while you're in that half guard position, you immediately go for that underhook. You immediately, you know the path.

You know where to go. Instead of ad-libbing and thinking while you're in the middle of a roll. And when you see guys that come from camps where they don't drill, they only do like one technique at the beginning of the class, you'll notice a technical deficiency as opposed to like someone who comes from Hickson School or someone who comes from a school that's very technical or the Mendez Brothers or something. in school or someone who comes from a school that's very technical or you know the mendez brothers or something you know though it's just it's so important to look at this look at the sport whether it's mma or kickboxing or jujitsu whatever it is but to look at it like a like a

puzzle like you're trying to figure out what's the best way to solve this and you know what duane has done for you it's been pretty remarkable as far as like giving you footwork skills and tools to move around and angles and i you know i've watched you guys drill and train together i mean it's really amazing stuff yeah stuff that we think is simple and then we go and teach another gym and there's like wait what can you guys do that like 10 more times we need to see that again it's like oh, oh, all right. It's something we've just been doing. The footwork I've created with Dwayne, he wasn't a footwork guy. When he fought, he was straight forward.

I know, isn't that crazy? He's the one that's created all these angles with me, and now we've created a whole new style. It's so funny that he saw that kind of while he was fighting, and then after he was fighting, he's implementing it on new fighters and didn't do it himself. And he laughs about it. Yeah, he wishes he probably would have had someone like himself coach him, obviously. fighting he's implementing it on new fighters and didn't do it himself yeah and he laughs about it

yeah he he wishes he probably had someone like himself coach him obviously fucking for sure yeah everybody does yeah yeah he's a fucking wizard man he is because he doesn't stop thinking about it either too he's like a sam calavita for strike i'm telling you like i have all the best coaches in the world around me like he's like sam calavita of striking and mma um and i'm trying to convince him to come to southern california and start a professional fight team so we can help recreate what we do for everyone trying to get him to move out here yeah but he loves colorado he does he does but he also loves being the best coach in the world and you know so i'm hoping that i can convince him enough that he'll do that you know how close you think you are to convincing him i think i'm close duane i know you listen brother you know you want to come to california

i've never seen anybody with as detailed um an instruction manual like the way he breaks down his system no matter what striking i mean it's really remarkable even when he comes into here to talk to you he'll have a system written in his house what he wants to talk about what he wants to do like the guy doesn't stop thinking he is he's on top of his stuff you, he'll have a system written in his head what he wants to talk about, what he wants to do. Like the guy doesn't stop thinking. He is – he's on top of his stuff. He's OCD in a good way. Yeah, in the best way.

In the best way, absolutely. Well, it's like you were saying about being competitive. I mean I think it's – the idea that you're going to be this balanced, chilled out person and still be a fucking world smasher. Good luck with that. I'm the farthest thing from relaxed and chill. I try to work on it but yeah but when you're training and when you look you there's a mindset that's required to beat the best guys and it's not the same mindset that's required to get good to get good you could get good and be a chilled out relaxed person like say you want to be a black belt in

jujitsu that's totally possible yeah you can be really good people can go hey look at mike man mike has got a great triangle watch him roll wow he's really good but if mike wants to be the motherfucker of motherfuckers you better be crazy you know you better be goddamn crazy you better be like mike tyson when he was young yeah be those michael jordan's you're talking about they're always thinking about it roy jones jr yes all those guys you got to be a fucking crazy person absolutely everyone roy jones jr played a professional basketball game the day of his fight played a goddamn basketball game the day of his fight and he's just an athlete yeah yeah i mean i just don't think there's any other way i mean i think if you're gonna win a race you're gonna redline the engine because i just don't see

how you're gonna beat the best guy. Everybody is trying their best. This is the thing. There's so much going on there. I mean, you could have a really good coach, so you have an advantage technically. You could have a really good group of guys you train with, so you have an advantage in the environment that you're training in, and there's a lot of inspiration.

But if you're not a fucking psychopath, good luck. Good luck. I agree with you 100 man i mean i agree with you because that's how i am i know that's why i'm saying it i'm just letting i mean people who like wonder why you're so fucking crazy like that's why he's so good there's no there's no other way around this game i appreciate it i mean listen i appreciate it too i mean for me as a fan and as a professional commentator it's important to me

if there's not people like you out there that are raising the bar people like you and Henry Cejudo you can go through the list of champions the great fighters that are around today this is the best time in the history of the world to see martial arts

there's never been better martial arts never well the information is so easily accessible as well too you know like when i was wrestling as a kid yeah you got like we're talking about drilling i remember being a kid and like drilling the same move thousands of times you're like why are we doing this you're so bored i learned this you know but now i understand it being my profession how important it is and now how easy like information like instance, I created my Fit to Fight program, my online academy thing, and I'm showing technique that I've learned over my whole entire life,

and it created me a year to create it. But I'm giving you information. Think of when I was starting up, I wish I could have learned from other world champions just by going online. Or when I was a wrestler, if I wanted to learn Sam Calavita's nutrition plan, I can just go online and check it out. Yeah.

Sam has a he has a whole online program yeah he has an app he started called train champ and it's on his uh website uh traininglab.com is it uh android and iphone is it for both yeah it's uh it'll go through like his workout routines it goes through the supplementation he puts me on it goes through it has certain recipes that i've been on throughout my fight camp the first one he created was around around me first um because we put so much work in to go 25 so we created a whole supplementation diet plan a workout plan of what i did and put it out there accessible for people i mean he even has a um you can even get a hair analysis on his app you send in like they send you a little kit you cut off on the back of your head where your

brain stems at you cut off your hair and you send it. Why where the brainstem's at? That's where all your nutrition comes out at. Whoa. That's where all the nutrients from your nervous system will come through. Who the fuck figured that out? They burn the hair and they get the toxins from it. Whoa.

That's how I found out I have too much arsenic in my body. What were you eating that gave you that arsenic? He thinks maybe the rice or maybe my tattoos. Tattoos? Mm-hmm. It's really big in tobacco. that gave you that arsenic? He thinks maybe the rice or maybe my tattoos. Tattoos? He thinks, it's really big in tobacco. There's a lot of, I mean,

since. Arsenic is big in tobacco? Really? So like if you chew? Yeah, chewing. I used to chew in college. Yeah,

but that wouldn't be still in your system, I don't think. Well, your body won't get rid of heavy metals unless you make it get rid of heavy metals.

Really? You have to do like a detox. What do you do? So I juice. I do a lot of juicing um but i juice uh like a quarter cup of cilantro every day within all my juices i take cilantro is effective in getting heavy metals out of your system yeah big time and same with uh burritos too yeah uh methionine well juicing it's you actually absorb a lot more of the nutrients when you cold press juice it compared to just eating it. I can eat a whole table of fruits and vegetables and I'll absorb more of the nutrients from it if I juice it rather than just eating it raw. Really?

Mm-hmm. Interesting. Because your body doesn't break it down the same. But then I also take methionine. It's a methionine. I don't know how to pronounce it. But it's an amino that helps push out heavy metals. Chlorella and spirulina will help push out heavy metals.

What else do you have me on? I tested positive for arsenic back in the day because I was eating too much sardines. Yeah, they're heavy in sardines. Yeah, but all I did is just back off the sardines and it went away. You tested it again? Yeah. Oh, really? Yeah.

And you never tried pushing it out, huh? I didn't do shit. Huh, interesting. Yeah. How did you test it, though oh really yeah and you never tried uh pushing it out huh i didn't do shit huh interesting yeah how did you test it though blood work blood work so the blood work sauce one the difference though when you do your blood it's only right then and there what's in your body so when you like when you do your hormone levels you have to go in in the morning and and get your blood drawn before you eat or drink anything right because it's what's in your body right then and there but when you do a hair analysis it's what's in your body right then and there. But when you do a hair analysis, it's what's in your body the last nine months. It tells you more what's in your actual body over time. Because you might have just pushed the arsenic out of your blood rather than out of everything.

At least that's what he told me. And he's a mathematician by trade? Is that what he is? He's a calculus teacher at a private school. The world's best calculus teacher. He won some award um his kids that take the placement test as advanced placement test they all got a hundred percent i think there's a i think there's a kid that missed one question that's crazy just one kid um there's kids that travel all over the world to come to his school because of his accolades of

being a calculus teacher wow yeah i mean numbers never lie you know and i think that's what was always uh drawn to like his his results and his studies is always numbers. Everything comes back to the numbers of your body, your hormone levels, of my heart rate variability. Everything's done by numbers. Wow. So this is all a system that he devised himself. I mean, does he have a background in combat sports at all? He wrestled. So he wrestled at Cal State fullerton he was a big time wrestler and then he was the world's strongest man uh they

did like that at disneyland they used to do the world's strongest man and he won for like the nation's uh strongest man competitions he was huge he used to be giant how much did he weigh like 260 280 and now he's probably like 160, 170 pounds. That's crazy. Yeah, he was giant. Like you could stack a cup on his chest. His chest was so big, you know? I would never guess that looking at him. He looks like a marathon runner.

He is now. He does Ironmans. Wow. So he switched up. So I think he had some health issues from getting so big and being so strong. He decided to switch things up and he just got into his body because he started doing Ironmans. And he wanted to get better at being an Ironman. So he really got into how to train himself.

And now he's done 14 Ironmans. He's qualified for Kona now. He's going to do Kona in October. Wow. How old is he? I want to say 53 or 54. Wow. I think he just turned 54. getting after it yeah man like he every

day i went worked out with him yesterday he did and then uh when i got there he'll get in the garage and he'll do like a two-hour bike ride and then get on the treadmill and he's always doing power intervals and will he come in and do a podcast i can kind of talk him to he's uh he's very he tries to hide everything he does. He doesn't want his intellectual value getting out there. He puts a lot of work into it. And I think he'd be really good on your podcast because some of the guys you come in, your information goes way over your head.

But it's nice to be able to listen to it again and listen to it again. Right, right, yeah. I'd like to convince him to come on. I think it'd be really interesting. I don't know if he would. He's a real sheltered kind of guy. What do you think would be easier to do? Talk Dwayne into moving to California or talk Calvita into coming on here?

Man, I think maybe talking Dwayne into coming to California. Really? I don't know. Just got to get him used to that beach life. Yeah. So he's been coming down. My fight camp was 10 weeks long with him. I was longer, but with him it was 10 weeks.

And he was flying out three days a week. So every Monday he would land, he would leave Wednesday night. Wow. And we would train Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday hard, right, and make sure to take Thursday off and then do my other stuff while he's gone. But every week he was traveling back and forth. That's fucking dedication right there. Dude, I have – we're family now.

Yeah. He's lived in my house. He's on the meal plans with the Calvitas. He's full bore into it. He gives me his all. I'm a very fortunate person to have met Dwayne. It's an amazing relationship. Our relationship, yeah, how close it is.

It really is. I mean, that's the ideal when you can get a mentor and a student that have that kind of a bond together and you can learn so much. Yeah, and he won't let – we have such a good bond now too that he won't like let bullshit slide, won't be pumping me up for no reason. He won't like let me, I mean, I'm not a lazy guy, but if I was, he wouldn't let me like mispractice or,

you know, I mean, he almost has to pull me back more than anything, but he gives me this true assessment of what needs to be done. I obviously lost the pseudo. We got home and he instantly texted me he's like hey i'm coming out tomorrow i'm gonna work out with uh one but i'd love to get some working with you we just

some things we should go over i was like all right wow so like i was working out with him three days after the fight what did he say about that exchange um he says like he maybe he needs to change some things on the mitts and maybe like so for instance the whole exchange uh i think i closed the distance too hard henry suda switched up who he was as a fighter i think he came out differently which was great by him he's done great things he um i expected him to maybe run a little bit more and he came out aggressive um and so getting used to the distance control you know not always having a set plan and and going for those combos what i think is going to happen, to be able to adjust on the fly. And maybe me and him, sometimes we are too set on certain things

rather than reaction time stuff. And I need to react to distance change. I need to react to things like that. It's hard to really change anything on that fight because I didn't get a chance to see it either. Right. It was so quick. Now, have you talked to Dana or anyone since?

I know you said that you guys would talk in the future but it's been about what how many days it's been about a week or so it's been two uh about a week and a half it's been a week and a half now yeah um i haven't heard anything since the the day after the fight i was texting with him the day after the fight and he said they had to sit down figure out what the plan is kind of thing you know um but obviously everyone knows that we want to run it back and and it sounds like they do as well too so well as far as something that people want to watch whether it's at 35 or 25 i think people absolutely would like to see that i mean at 35 the big selling point would be henry gets a chance to become champ champ of course do

i'll fight him at 25 and put my 35 pound belt on the line i really works that way i know it doesn't but i'm saying like if you beat me, I seriously don't even care. The belts are awesome, all that stuff, and the recognition, all that stuff, but to me, I want that win back. I want that opportunity back to even just show how much work and how smart I was

and how I didn't get hit, and I wasn't fragile from being at 25s. I really wasn't. I didn't get beat because I was a 25-pounder. I have no excuses. I got beat because I got beat, right? I have no excuses that I was too fragile at being at 25s. I felt better than I've ever felt my entire life.

I just want the chance to prove that. You know what I mean? So that's why I say that I would give him my belt at 35s if beats me at 25 again but well obviously take the fight wherever i mean i think ali needed frazier right sugar ray needed tommy hearns i mean this is just the this is the nature of the sport and a guy like him i mean i think you you and cody needed each other yeah i think there's something about that kind of intense rivalry that is so important for for for actualizing so who does the motherfucker man he's good i mean he's a he's a world he's a olympic gold medalist he's a competitor he knows what he's doing right i mean just arguably from his accomplishments he's one of the greatest combat

sports athletes of all time yeah the guy's the first guy ever to be an olympic gold medalist and a ufc world champion which i the gold medalist thing I even hold even higher for him than even being a world, like obviously UFC champion's huge, right? But I wrestled my whole life. I grew up wrestling and to be an Olympic gold medalist is a fucking huge thing. Yeah.

I still think today wrestling's the hardest sport I've ever done. And to see that achievement, especially how young he did it at, that's, I almost hold that higher than him being a UFC champion. Well, also the fact that he was beat by DJ,

he beat by Mighty Mouse in the first round. He gets destroyed. He gets kneed to the body, taken out, beaten up, and stopped and humiliated, right? Comes back, and what was it, like two years later? I think it was two years, yeah. And beats him. I mean, becomes the fucking champ

and beats the pound-for-pound consensus best fighter on the planet and the guy that had held that title from the very first time it was ever brought to the UFC. He's been the only flyweight champion until Henry came along. And that's another reason why I want that fight, man. You know what I mean? I know that I'm better than him. Obviously, people are going to give me shit for saying that

because obviously the fight, they all think it went down the way it went down, but guess what? I'm better than that motherfucker, and I want better than him. Obviously, you're going to give me some shit. People are going to give me shit for saying that because obviously the fight, they all think it went down the way it went down, but guess what? I'm better than that motherfucker and I want to prove it. I want the toughest fights. I mean,

that's why I was calling out Max Holloway. I wanted to beat Henry Cejudo. I want to call Max Holloway. With Sam Calavita, I could be walking around 165 pounds with 6% body fat.

Really? 100%. Like this guy, man, he can stack the weight on me. He can take it off me. I can go... I have a secret weapon with Sam Calavita, I'm stack the weight on me. He can take it off me. I can go, I have a secret weapon with Sam Calvita. I'm telling you.

And I could have, it's not a secret. You just, yeah, but, but people, he won't work with everyone. He won't do it. Yeah.

If you come to him, like, unless you fit who he, he likes, if you fit his image, like we work out of his garage, which is so crazy, you know,

like he could have a giant facility with all his hard work and science he does but he likes the the grit of having it in his house like he gets home from work he's all dressed up in his tie sometimes we're already there waiting for him and he's doesn't even change he's out there throwing medicine balls at our face in his tie and all dressed up from the suit from work you know like he likes that shit you know he could probably not even be a calculus teacher anymore and just be a strength conditioning coach but that's not what he wants. He's not in it for the fame and the money. He's in it for the science and the love of doing it.

I want to see that garage. Pull up his garage because this doesn't – now I'm thinking about how big my fucking gym out here is. You couldn't even park two cars in it. It's a small garage. We have one squat rack. We have a spot to do like our cleans and our deadlifts what he really has is he has three four by i don't know three bites so there it is yeah that's crazy so it's a very small two-car garage yeah that has got filled with a bunch of

murderers yeah he's got like three bikes that we ride jesus christ imagine walking by if you were a girl oh dude all the time people people walk by all the time we're in the garage and i'm yelling when i'm in there working out because he's pushing us like sometimes our workouts are three hours long yeah you know and we're going there's a park across the street and we're throwing medicine balls at each other and go to that back to that last one with pico please yeah you get a chance to see what's in the the garage so i guess he parks his car in the driveway oh yeah he doesn't he doesn't park that's his sanctuary man that's crazy he's got these stationary bikes in there that where he kills us on that's like um how we push our lactate thresholds so what does he he's doing something with bands right here yeah that's a lot of things

with bands right yeah because you get the eccentric and concentric contraction you know you have a strength he's like what he's doing right there is for your shoulder stability you know your rotator cuffs i mean yeah with the jujitsu and the wrestling your shoulders take a beating yeah and so that's kind of really just strengthening it yeah i do a lot of cuff stuff because all the different injuries that i've had i do a lot of band stuff with my you know like this way external rotation internal rotation stuff yeah bands are great now why bands though as opposed to cables? Like cables with stacks of weight. Why does he use bands?

Probably just what we have. I mean, if you had a nice Kaiser machine in there, maybe we'd use it. But I think the resistance coming back really, really wants to pull. The further you extend a band, the harder it wants to pull you back. To where when you have a weight on there, it's the exact same weight going in and out. Right. To where the further you extend that band, the harder you make to pull you back to where when you have a weight on there, it's the exact same weight going in and out to where the further you extend that band, the harder you make it on yourself.

There's I think there's just more you can do with it and it's just very easy and takes up no space. Right. Right. We do a lot of medicine ball work for our core and for our shoulders as well to like catching in weird angles with keeping our balance. We do like a lot of like kind of like old school shit but in a certain way in a certain time yeah and so how does he get all that shit into his garage does he have to pull stuff out into the driveway there's stuff on the side of his house he's got like a little chest he stacks stuff into and um man we a lot of it's he doesn't need much he really doesn't there's a

there's a lot of work you can do with just body weight. I mean, we have 100-pound medicine balls. We've got these big logs. It's almost like the strongman competitions. There's a big hill next to his house that he makes us carry these 100-pound logs, and we have the farmers carry them up the hill, and we're doing it with a partner. When I get up so far, I drop my run back. I get the 100-pound medicine ball.

I have to sprint up the hill with it. Things like that where you're pushing your lactate threshold over time. Wow. Yeah. And how does he schedule the training sessions? Like how does he know what to have you do and when? Off of our time frame of when we want to peak, off of my heart rate variability and how my body's reacting to our training.

Because maybe I sparred and I did mitts too hard with Dway so i wake up the next morning and he realizes oh we got to pull back today like if i push you hard today you're going to go in such a deep hole that's going to take you a week to come out of it to where he only wants me to get to that really high peak take a day off so that now i can start coming back up again to where if i just continue for four or five days just crushing it going as hard as possibly can. My body's going to crash so hard that it's going to take me, it's going to be more of a detriment to come out of that hole than if I would have just taken a break in between those days. So he'll schedule, our schedules will change. We have a, we have a schedule from the beginning. So say I'm 12 weeks out, like, all right, this is our plan.

That's what we're going to do. But then maybe i get sick or maybe i trained too hard with duane the day before and so he'll realize all right this next day was go a little bit easier even if it's my jiu-jitsu he knows i'm going to jiu-jitsu practice he's like maybe just drill you know go with flipe and just make sure it's like a low base drill like don't get your heart rate over such and such which i don't roll with the heart rate monitor on but i can kind of just guess you know how hard i go. Yeah, I've never – could you? I guess you could. Does anybody? Do you know anybody that does?

Mm-mm. No. It seems like it would get knocked off or something. Yeah. I mean, maybe for drilling. Yeah. So when he's got you doing all this crazy stuff like deadlifts and plyos and medicine ball work, is there like a logic to what exercises are done when and like how does

it like because it seems like you're doing all this old school stuff like badass stuff but my question is always like when do you do that yes like when is that when is that done like once a week is that done early in the training camp is Is it done late? Like when are you doing strength work? Because you were saying you were doing cleans, like the week out. Only – so when I'm doing those, like a week out, I'm doing only a certain amount of reps. I'm not – maybe not taxing my body for as long as I would in earlier camp. Even though I'm going heavy, maybe I'm only doing two sets.

Right. Just to keep my central nervous system strong. Oh, I see. Other than just taxing yourself, you know, or there's certain times, like there's certain days he knows I need to get explosive power work or some days I need to do cadence, fast foot, fast feet, um, cardio work. Um, and he has that all mapped out on what days are what, what weeks are what, depending on where I'm at my fight camp, or if I'm going 25s and if I want to stay as strong as I was at 35s, things like that. Or if I end up going 45s to be able to keep my cardio up because the thing was if I were to go 45s, I'm going to have to put so much more muscle on, the worry is that I'm going to lose cardio. Right.

But he wants to be able to keep that lactate threshold and keep my cardio if I'm able to walk around at 165 pounds. Now, what other stuff does he have you doing for recovery you're doing any sauna work are you doing ice baths like what kind of stuff i have an infrared sauna i do um i do red light therapy i do um what do you mean by red light therapy there's a machine that i have in my house is called a juve do you mean by red light therapy there's a machine that i have in my house is called a juve it's um a big red light it's a 680 to 880 nanometer light that i stand in front of it for a certain amount of time to um not only increase my testosterone but to help recovery in my uh my mitochondria my cells and flush my body out um what does that thing look like whoa Whoa, look at that. Dude, you're in the future. Yeah. Is that you? No.

It looks like it. Dude's jacked. But yeah, I have one of those in my garage. I have an infrared sauna in my garage. How big is that thing? There's new ones now that are huge. It's as big as my body. They have ones that go on the back of your door.

They have travel ones that you can take with you that's really small. Really? um they have ones that go on the back of your door they have travel ones you can take with you that's really small really the reason why i got into it was for uh um increasing my testosterone and the motility of my sperm hollow yeah because i was i was i was having um my testosterone was low and i wanted to increase it and i saw this um through matt brown actually matt brown's the one that kind of got me this when i was out shout out to him he's got some awesome training equipment yeah he's and he's a very knowledgeable, very well-read guy. Very. And people wouldn't guess that.

Well, when I had him on the podcast, that's one of the things a lot of people said. They go, I thought that the guy was a caveman. Yeah, right? And he kind of is, but he's also kind of brilliant. He wants to be the caveman, like manly man, but he's very smart about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So he's the one that turned me on to that and so i got into it and uh i wanted to increase my testosterone but i also read about

increasing motility in my sperm i was trying to have a kid and we're having trouble and this and that and it could be that could have been my diet i switched so much up that i can't tell you which one it was you know because sam helped me out this helped me out i mean so i'm i'm doing that i'll do hyperbaric chamber i'll do cryotherapy how often do you do the hyperbaric chamber um only when i need it because it can mess with your um your hematocrit you know if i do a lot of altitude training as well too i'm trying to increase my red blood cell count and my hematocrit um and then when you go and you get into a uh high break chamber you're breathing 100 oxygen so if i'm in it too much right it will lower my hematocrit right but i do a lot of his his altitude same as an altitude machine he has me use it's called alto lab um i breathe into it

for a certain amount of time and that's again another program he created the company was around but he created the program that i'm supposed to do to put my body in a hypoxic state for only a certain amount of time. Because you can overtrain yourself that way as well, too. To increase my capillaries, increase the vasodilation in my veins, as well as increase red blood cells. That's amazing because, you know, one of the things that's a big um well i don't know if it's a misconception but it's one of the things that people always talk about is that you should train at altitude and you did that you went to denver and a lot of people do that and they find benefits in that but the thought process now seems to be that you get more work done at sea level

exactly so i thought the same thing and then i I met Sam and I, and I actually felt this, but I didn't understand it. Your body can't recover the same or you can't push as hard at altitude. Um, and your body actually gets a more dense at sea level when you're working out, you're able to push harder and your recovery is better. Um, and same reason why I think sleeping in altitude wouldn't help either. Cause your body won't recover completely so i feel better training at sea level but i use this alto lab for only a certain amount of time on and off with breathing techniques and i felt the best the best benefits with that so so what does this thing look like it's uh yeah it's just a mask and it's got a bunch of cylinders on it. And the more cylinders you stack on it, the more it's emulating the altitude. So it's like breathing at 40,000 feet when you stack a lot of them on there.

So you're hooked up to this thing how? You have a gas mask on it? Yeah, you could use that where it's just like a snorkel, right? Or it could be a gas mask kind of thing. And you're doing it while you're training? No. No. Not doing it while I'm training.

I'm doing it while I'm resting on certain days, like a certain schedule. I can't do it all the time. So this thing without training, this thing jacks up your cardio. Yes. It'll help with your – Where do I buy one of these? I don't know. So you just breathe?

Yeah, but I'd have to give you the technique, because you can overdo it as well, and you can end up hurting yourself as well, too. And how long do you do it for? It says here 10 minutes or 60 minutes, and then there's a program, initial 15-day program. An hour breathing session will produce performance effects that last up to three weeks. Jesus. Wow. day program an hour breathing session will produce performance effects that last up to three weeks jesus wow so for a 60 minute session six 10 minute sessions 10 minute what's wrong with my voice six 10 minute sessions or 10 minute intervals so you do six minutes on four minutes off so six six per hour and so you're basically doing these intervals where you're just breathing.

Yeah. And it's one of those things. So you have a, you have an oxygen reader on your finger. It tells you your oxygen levels. Cause you want to put yourself in a hypoxic state. Right. And there's certain levels that Sam wants me to keep my body.

I just want me to go too low either. Cause your body will start producing a hormone that tells you you're dying. Oh geez. Yeah. And I've, so Juan Archuleta, when i first met him i was coaching ultimate fighter came out and told me he's like hey man i've been breathing this thing sam tells me to do it i'm like all right what do i do he's like just get your levels as low as you

can i was like cool i ended up passing out because you get so i'm you know me i'm very competitive right and i was like i was looking at it and you're supposed to do for six minutes and i'm like oh i got like 30 seconds left, but it's getting hard. Like I can make the rest 30 seconds. Next thing I remember, I'm like seizuring on the couch. I fling this oxygen monitor off my finger. And then I wake up a couple minutes later. I'm like, oh shit, I passed out, you know?

Wow. You can, yeah, you don't want to do too much. Yeah, 40,000 feet seems a little excessive. Yeah, oh yeah. But it seems like it would be amazing for hikers too or someone who does want to climb Everest or something like that. You can acclimate yourself to it. The person that started it, I think they started it for some sort of disease

and obviously everyone runs with it for getting better results. Dude, I'm buying one of those motherfuckers. If I can get better endurance just sitting here and breathing. But it's work though, dude. Oh yeah, you'll sweat sometimes from it too, yeah. So it's just because it's hard to breathe with the thing? Yeah, so you want to get,, dude. Like you'll end up, oh yeah, you'll sweat sometimes from it too, yeah. So it's just because it's hard to breathe with the thing?

Yeah, so you want to get, yeah, I mean you're not getting, and sometimes I'll have to like pull off and get some fresh air and then get back onto it. Like you want to keep your levels at it because you want to go too low

and you'll pass out. And is it a breathing exercise? Like are you doing anything? Are you pushing? You learn, yeah, you learn how to, like breath of fire type stuff? You learn how to get

the carbon dioxide out of your body as well, too. You really learn a lot about breathing when you're doing this thing because you have the oxygen monitor on your finger. And when you want to increase your oxygen levels, I'll let more air out. But if I want to decrease my oxygen levels faster, I'll take shallow breaths. And I can learn that I can get my body in a hypoxic state faster by doing it. But then when I need to get more oxygen in my body, I'll make sure to exhale more of the carbon monoxide and then breathe in more air.

So it does teach you how to breathe better as well too. And then you're creating more capillaries, more lung strength, a lot of stuff. He's going to be mad at me for probably talking about that. Yeah. Now, are you breathing in through your nose? Are you breathing in through your mouth? I have my mouth, my nose closed.

I'm pinched off. Is your nose functional? Not so good, right? my left is good yeah my right most fighters yeah yeah my right side's i mean i'm a mouth breather have you ever thought about getting it opened up i have but i was told that um for me to get it done it's just gonna happen again like it'll it'll it'll weaken the structural integrity of my nose and because they gotta like carve out the because my nose inside is just crooked so i'd have to carve it out and so they say that'll just re-happen and i'll have to get it done again so yeah i had it done it was one of the best things i've ever done i've heard you say that but it's one of the best things i've ever done it's ready here sounds so good like i'll be in yoga i've been doing yoga the last like

four days because i've been trying to keep my weight down. And then I make you breathe in through your nose and I'm just in the back of the house like. I know. Trying to breathe in. It's the worst. When I used to do yoga before I had it fixed, the guy would tell me, breathe through your nose. I'm like, I don't, I basically don't have a nose. You can fart in my face.

I barely smell it. This thing's useless. Yes, exactly, man. I hate being a mouth breather at night too i wake up in the morning with like the driest mouth you know yeah yeah worst well i mean it's just part of the part of the struggle right yeah yeah so uh cryotherapy how often are you doing that um when i have the time i mean sam's all sam's stuff and the training i do is a full-time job more than a full-time job.

And so it takes a lot, depending on how much recovery I need. We're looking to open up our own gym and put our own cryotherapy in it so I can use it more often. We're looking to team up with a company that wants to join forces with us and come into our gym where they have hyperbaric chambers on hand, which I own my own, but I haven't been using it because I haven't hooked up. What company are you going with right now because have you have you gone to cryo health care they have the best fucking cryo is there's like a room or is it like the little one is a room is it the room one is the one you want because the little room one is cold air okay you know the woman who died in vegas you know the story no she worked at a cryo place and she did

it herself unfortunately and she had it adjusted wrong and so it was like below her nose and she was breathing in this stuff and she blacked out and froze to death she was working there by herself unsupervised you're never supposed to do that you're never supposed to climb into one of those things unsupervised i would have never guessed the one they have in cryo healthcare, it's not liquid nitrogen that's on your body. It's cold air. So they're freezing the air with liquid nitrogen. And this is it right here. I took David Sinclair, he's a professor at Harvard and one of the leading guys in the longevity movement.

And I took him there the other day. It's, you walk in that chamber and, you know, you put a little mask on your face and earmuffs on just to stop frostbite, 240 degrees. I'll take you there right now if you want. Damn, okay. Yeah, we'll do it right when we get out of here. I'm in, yeah.

It's the shit. Okay. It's the shit. You're in there for three minutes and it's so, I've done the below the neck and it's hard. Yeah. It's like, ah, it's cold. But it's nothing shit you're in there for three minutes and it's so i've done the below the neck and it's hard yeah it's like god it's cold but it's nothing like this thing because your fucking head is frozen i don't feel like those are the ones i've standard like the three minutes when you're talking about very hard exactly yeah yes okay i'm glad we're gonna take you down there

yeah there's a there's a company called o2 that wants to team up with us like i said they have red light therapy we're gonna do uh cryotherapy we'll do float tanks i've started doing float tanks since i uh was listening to your podcast really beautiful and do that seriously for me it's like the only form of meditation i can get because otherwise i have too much stuff going on my phones i got people asking me to do this people ask me to do that like i have it's awesome because you go in there and you have to like get rid of everything yeah i usually fall asleep i usually go in there for the most part like maybe like 30 minutes i'll be there and relax i'll be like meditating thinking about stuff and then eventually i like will wake up like oh damn i fell asleep dude if you're ever around this area i got one right there you can climb in anytime you want i'd love to text me okay i'll

open it up yeah much in here man because this one right here the float lab version have you seen this one have you seen the one i have no it's fucking huge okay it's giant it's seven feet tall and nine feet long no it's huge okay it's enormous okay and the guy who who made it this guy crash he's the reason why there are high level tanks today he's a mad scientist and he's the guy who's behind the float lab when you see how extensive the purification system this guy has he's got like water purification systems that you would use for commercial purposes like for a fucking like a a block like a city block and it's just for this one tank okay it's crazy oh it's probably he's a maniac yeah it's very expensive he's a maniac okay and so he makes these insanely overdeveloped tanks and when i first got into tanks was around 2000

you had these like kind of thin plastic ones which were fine they worked i had one in my basement but then it busted and the water spilled out i had to fucking get my basement drained it was a nightmare and the guy who was fixing the tank told me about the float lab which is they have a place in venice and a place in westwood and uh they were fucking the this the whole sport the whole industry was dying it was going away and i didn't understand it i was like how is this so awesome but no one no one knows it's too much huh so well it wasn't that it was just nobody tried it nobody knew about i didn't try until i heard you on a podcast dude i can't shut the fuck up about it i just i love it it's amazing it's still i mean my life is crazy i'm sure everyone's life is crazy mine's insane i have I didn't try it until I heard you on a podcast. Dude, I can't shut the fuck up about it. Dude, I love it. It's amazing.

I mean, my life is crazy. I'm sure everyone's life is crazy. Mine's insane. I have too much shit going on all the time. So it's like seriously one of the only ways I can shut my brain off. It's the only time you're alone with just your thoughts where your body's not even there. Sometimes that's the reason why I like to take a shit. Yeah.

Because I'm by myself. My shits have been like three times longer because I go sit on my toilet and I'm like, ah, yes. Do you know what the key to taking a good shit is though? What's that? Don't bring your phone. I know. because I'm by myself like my shits have been like three times longer because I go sit on my toilet I'm like ah yes no one can talk to me do you know what the key to taking a good shit is though what's that

don't bring your phone I know it's the hardest thing you bring your phone you start scrolling through Instagram looking at girls butts and fucking explosions

and animal attacks that's like the first thing you look for when you gotta take a shit like oh where's my phone I gotta take a shit exactly exactly

my kids know I grab that phone I start walking into the bathroom and go oh daddy's gonna be there For a while Me too man It's the worst

Yeah I bet cell phones Have created Triple the hemorrhoids Oh I'm sure Yeah right For sure You don't know

How long you sit On the toilet now Compared to what you used to Eddie Bravo has Very extensive theories On creating hemorrhoids On the toilet Like about what is

Happening to your ass Ask him Oh no He goes into great detail About the pressure theories on creating hemorrhoids on the toilet like about what is happening to your ass ask him oh no he goes into great detail about the pressure of the bowl that it's an unnatural pressure like squeezing part of your ass and this part he needs to create a toilet seat then he needs to create his own toilet seat to get rid of hemorrhoids really the move is those squatty potties oh dude i have one of those dude those old it's like whoa i didn't know how much in there yeah it's just everything comes flying out. Yeah.

I've seen you had a, is it a Toto in here? Yeah. Dude, that thing's amazing. What's a, what is it, Brondell? Brondell, I think. Those are the shit. I built a house out in Colorado and I put one of those in my, I don't want to shit anywhere else.

Yes, exactly. It's like, dude, I just only want to go home and take a shit because that toilet seat's way better and it's got the bidet in it. It's awesome. So do you rent your house out in Colorado? Nuh-uh. No. You just go out there and visit when you can?

Yeah. Kind of like a little vacation house now. Oh, that's nice. I live in Orange County. I love Orange County. I do, man. It's nice out there. I went to school down there.

I went to school at Cal State Fullerton. So all my close friends I wrestle with are in the same part of their life. They're all young kids. They're all in the same area. So it's not only that. My family's close so i love orange county it's definitely been a great a change for me but uh colorado's beautiful how far are you from the beach uh probably a half hour that's not too bad no about a half hour from huntington newport so yeah it's it's nice it's a suit i mean your berlinda is like a family area too yeah it's like such a nice little cool area

it's very nice yeah yeah that whole area is nice and calv Linda is like a family area too. Yeah. It's like such a nice little cool area. It's very nice. Yeah. Yeah, that whole area is nice. And Calavita is out in that area too. Calavita lives in Yorba Linda. Juan lives in Yorba Linda. Cub lives in Yorba Linda. Oh, nice.

So we got a good little family we started there. All the guys I wrestled with in college live in the area. Well, it's nice to see guys from both organizations with UFC and Bellator training together too. I mean, I've seen that with you guys. I mean, Bellator really now is like it's a major player. I mean, they have like major, major talent. Absolutely. Very interesting.

Yeah. I mean, they don't get as much credit. Obviously, they're not as big a promotion, but they have some of the best fighters. I mean, look, they've got Gegard Mousasi. They've got Rory McDonald. Yeah, Rory McDonald. Yeah yeah you can go down the list it's i mean how about fucking ryan bader ko and favor like that crazy i i thought bader was gonna win i thought he was gonna use his pressure and just wear on him and out wrestle him

yeah um but yeah that's crazy 10 seconds well he clipped him with that crazy it's like a level change yeah level change half hook half jab i think he was getting fedor to think that he was in drop for a shot and then looped a hook over the top right it seemed like he wanted to get fedor to do that isn't that how he got the knockout the fight before that too right exact same punch left hook yeah yeah i think it was a level change left hook and people are thinking like oh shit he's coming for a takedown well as a heavyweight man he's a motherfucker yeah he looks good he looks fantastic body looks good he's huge yeah i mean he looks like a heavyweight yeah and you know he's weighing 235 ish somewhere around there you know which is a great weight for heavyweight i think it's the

best weight for that weight class yeah there's that point of diminishing returns right you get to like 260 unless you're in gano well see the in gano doesn't know how to wrestle so that's part of the problem but but if he did holy fuck but as agile as you need to be toannou doesn't know how to wrestle, so that's part of the problem. But if he did, holy fuck. But as agile as you need to be to wrestle, I don't know if he can move that fast. He can move fast, man. That guy moves like a cat. Damn. He scares the shit out of me.

Yeah. It's like if that guy knew, if he knew what everybody else knew, I just think he's so physically gifted. Yeah. I mean, when you see him punch people people it's like it's a different thing it's different yeah just a lunchbox coming at your head the power is just preposterous it just doesn't even make any sense yeah if that guy could get with a guy like duane and start moving and just you know not just rely on throwing hammers but setting stuff up and switching stances and i don't know if you can do that with that kind of weight.

How long can a guy like that move around? I bet Sam can get him to move that long. I guarantee you, dude. Sam, I'm telling you, if I'm going – for my body mass, if I'm able to walk around 165 and the lactic threshold he's told me I can have, I guarantee you you could do it with a big guy like that. Wow, that would be insane.

Well, there's not a lot of big guys like that. That's the thing, too. It's like, who does he have to train with that's going to push him? Yeah. You know, that is a giant problem with heavyweights, whether it's in wrestling or jiu-jitsu or anything. It's finding someone that they can train with that's that heavy, that's that big. I mean, he's a legit, natural 265-pound man. Yeah.

You know what I mean? Well, I feel like if you're getting hit by another 265-pound man too, it's going to take more out of you. That's true too. Even if you're 265 and you're getting hit by another guy that's 265, I still feel like your head can only take so much. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, how much more can you take, right? Yeah. I mean, that's the football thing that we were talking about when we were talking about Jason Harrison. I mean, he was a lineman for UC Davis and played a little bit in the nfl he was a bench warmer but you know was training with those guys it's just that that when you're dealing with gigantic huge dudes slamming into each other like that the force yeah i guess you got to do more of like the drill and what we're

talking about like live like live drilling you know where you're going with like partners you can trust that you're going to do 50 sparring you're not going to crush each other but you're going to get that reaction time kind of stuff but then you can wrestle hard you can do jiu-jitsu hard and get that that hard training that way but then drill the right ways striking you know yeah yeah now um as far as uh your recovery stuff did you detail everything here? You got the red light. You have your infrared sauna.

You're using like one of those Fit Spas, which would kind of – I think it is a Fit Spa. Is that the kind that has like a TV in it? No. It's got Bluetooth for listening to your podcast. It's infrared, so it's got the red light. It only gets to 140 degrees, right? But the infrared makes you sweat from the cells inside out, which I feel is better for the recovery.

I do like the super hot ones. Like they do something to you that like it's hard to describe when you get out of it. Like when it's really hot and you feel great. But I feel like I get more recovery out of the infrared throughout my body. Same reason why I use the Juve red light therapy. Ice baths? No, I don't um ice baths no i don't do ice baths they're torture but i've done the cryo and again too i don't do that much of it um i think mainly i need i get my recovery from uh taking the days off i need to most my recovery

like uh i take i take more days off now working with sam than i've ever taken in my past um when i was working with duane out in colorado or at alpha male i would just go go go go go go go i thought working more was gonna get me there better and that's probably why your testosterone was dropping 100 i was redlining myself yeah and so i take more days off now with sam but the days that i'm not taking off are a lot harder um just knowing when to cycle those days off like you have to rest and i my sleep um i have a one-year-old so i created a guest room that i'll sleep in during camp because i got to get my nine hours of sleep right um and knowing what days i gotta take off um and those days will be off from training completely

i'll try to like go take my son on a walk, go hang out with my family. Obviously I got less of that this camp because I'm going 25s. It took a lot more work, but just making sure to take those days off. What about massage? Yes. Yeah, absolutely.

How often do you do that? As much as I can. I mean, I'll do it. I mean, I don't think you can do too much of it as long as you've got someone that's knowledgeable. But massage big time,

somewhere you can actually, and that's another way to really relax and shut the brain off too yeah yeah um anything to get my really your recovery needs to be dropping your cortisol levels if you could drop your cortisol levels everything else is going to go the way it should go um which is another thing i test throughout my camp is my cortisol levels you know maybe i'm doing too much um outside of training like too much uh sponsorship stuff or my fit to fight program or all my other businesses my flavor republic which by the way is excellent tell people about this stuff this stuff is really good you sent me this a while back you've got some great rubs this is uh honey garlic it's all healthy

stuff it's called flavor republic this is not i mean this is a plug folks but i'm not getting paid for this i just love i love it yeah it's really great stuff man when and i got into it because i met a um a jujitsu guy he's really his name's kenny tinney he's really big into jujitsu he was taking propitia and it messed up his testosterone levels we were talking about this before the show did the same thing to me yeah it messed up his testosterone levels so he had to get into his diet to kind of recurve what he had going on because he was taking insane amounts of therapeutic level of testosterone to get his body back. And so he wanted to get his diet on point so he wouldn't have to take as much test. And as well as I teamed up with just an average Joe.

He's just a guy that wants to get into fitness and wants to be healthy. He's just a guy that wants to get into fitness and wants to be healthy. But us three, we created this because I got into my diet so much because I'm not eating any sugars. I don't go complex. I'm pretty much going like paleo, keto. And every time I wanted to do meal prep or Sam wanted to do meal prep, we couldn't use spices and seasonings. Because if you look on the shelf, they have like 14 grams of sugar and a bunch of table salt. Yeah, we were talking about Traeger. I love Traeger's grills.

And I love their rubs. And their barbecue sauces and everything too. They're so good. But there's some fucking sugar in that shit. That's why they're so delicious. Exactly. And so we created this so that we could do our meal prep and still be healthy. You got an espresso rub.

That's really good on your wild game. Yeah, I bet. Yeah, it's like a peppery egg. That one doesn't sell very well because I think it's called espresso rub. That's really good on your wild game. Yeah, I bet. Yeah, it's like a peppery. That one doesn't sell very well because I think it's called espresso rub. People don't really understand it. Yeah, espresso blend. So we almost need to change it to like a Colombian something, you know, because they're like coffee. I don't put coffee on nothing.

Well, people don't know, man. We were talking about with Ben Greenfield yesterday. Coffee rubs are fantastic. Awesome. He was saying that coffee actually reduces the amount of carcinogens on cooked meat. Oh, really? Yeah. Having it on the outside, that it acts as an antioxidant and reduces the amount of carcinogens.

The first time I tried it was a piece of meat I got at Whole Foods and it had an espresso rub on it. It was amazing. Yeah. So we need to make that. I'm telling you, all the wild game I have, it takes away any of the gamey flavor let's get that it doesn't sell as well because people don't understand but it's really good do you are you getting any hunting in do you have any time i did this year nothing successful um after my cody fight in august i went out in the middle

of nowhere in colorado by ss park and hunted by myself i did like that's a nice getaway huh dude my phone didn't work no one could text me no one could hold me i slept out in the middle of the wilderness by myself under the stars like kind of freaky i've never done that before you know um shane dorian was telling me about that that was like you got to do it it's like it's one of the best things i've ever done i like hunting with people because you get to get like really to know them right like you go sit around the campfire everyone that splits up to go hunt you talk about your day you get back to the campfire, and you really get to know each other. And I go with my brothers and my dad all the time.

It's one of my favorite things about hunting. It's the best. It really is. And you really get to tell stories and get to know each other. It's awesome. But I went by myself for the first time this year, and that was an experience as well too. Like you got like just hunting on and doing like the wilderness by yourself,

like making sure you don't get lost. How many days did you go out for? Three days. So did you backpack in? Oh, no. I got to drive in. Okay. It wasn't.

So you went to a trailhead. Yep. And how much are you carrying on your back? It's probably like 40, 50 pounds. Okay. So you got like a 10. Like a day pack. Yeah.

And like, yeah, I got that. And then I'll just hike back in. And you have a bow. My bow, yeah. Yeah. I really only like to hunt with my bow. I will do some rifle just when the opportunity comes. Do you have time to practice?

With my bow, I do. It's kind of another escape for me as well too, like another way, like maybe my off day. If coach tells me to take a day off, maybe I'll go shoot my bow. Or if I'm in Colorado, I'll take my boat out or go fishing, things like that. So, yeah, it's one of my hobbies. Even if i'm not getting ready for hunting season i'll just shoot just to shoot next time you come here you got to play techno hunt is this the one out here yeah in front you haven't seen that yet huh i've i've played it i've played it at an archery shop in colorado it's like a 3d hunting or it's a video game pretty much and you shoot like these

magnets at the screen well it's not a magnet it's just a, instead of a broadhead, it's flat like the head of a nail. Yeah, it's cool. And it's a Kevlar screen. It's very realistic too. It's amazing. And it gives you a score if you get like a vital shot or if you wound the animal and stuff. Yeah, exactly.

It's cool. Exactly, yeah. Yeah, for sure. I'll have to bring my bow next time. It's super addictive. I mean, you got the fantasy factory here. You know what I mean? Like, I don't even know if I'd go home if I had this place.

Well, now I got a bunch of stuff here for my kids. Oh, really? Yeah. Do you see that inflatable thing out there? My girl's into gymnastics. I figured that was just to judge how far you're shooting from. No, no, no. No, that's bouncy.

That thing's all filled up with air. My 10-year-old comes in here and does fucking backflips and shit like that. But with a concrete around it? She's a fucking freak, man. Really? She doesn't care. I'd be scared as shit. It's not very wide. You got to let them do wild let them do wild shit i guess well there's the mats out

there too the jiu-jitsu mats she does them on that too okay and she has gymnastics yeah that's hard on your body it is yeah i've when i wrestled that we had a gymnastics team and they were always in the physical therapy they were always hurt their backs their ankles but i think 10 year olds it's like first of all i just see the shit she does like she could stand here and take her hands and and touch the back of her ankles yeah she just bends all the way back and it's like what how the fuck does your body even work that way yeah i look at this 51 year old fucked up body of mine from all the years of beating on it that's like but although all the weight lifting you do is gonna make you stiffer too i mean oh for sure if you're not knowing what i was doing just lifting meat head style and just get like you know like right now i'm training with sam and we're going heavy just to keep my

weight we don't know i don't know if i'm going 35 i don't know if i'm going 25 so we're 45 or yeah i'm just keeping my weight where it needs to be and getting a lot stronger so he's telling me like we're adding all this muscle make sure you're doing your yoga and that's that's why i've been doing that yeah that's the other thing i want to talk to you about outside of yoga are you doing stretching yes yes how often do you guys stretch well i stretch before every i do a dynamic stretch before every practice before practice is interesting because most people don't don't agree with that well static static don't do stat i don't like doing static stretching before i work out so by, you're constantly moving while you're stretching.

Yes. It's something I've learned from Lauren Landau out in Colorado. It's something I've added to my Fit to Fight program is I go through a whole dynamic warm-up that I do before every practice. It's like a walking series, like a walking knee hug, a walking quad pull, inchworms, things like that. And like a quadruped series that will keep my hips loose, things like that. I'll do that before every

practice um but then at the end of practice you do a little bit of i don't do as much static stretching i do more dynamic kind of like in movement stretching you know same thing as like i mean i get more flexible i got so much more flexible when i started kickboxing just from that throwing a head kick throwing a head kick and just opening your hips all the time yeah um but before i throw a bunch of head kicks i need to do my quadruped series to not mess my hip flexors up or my my psoas will get tight as shit you know you have one of those so rights do you have one of those i heard chandler talking about i got one for you did you yeah i got a gang of them really it's a sponsor so they give me a bunch of them that thing is the shit and you lay on it right yeah you can

do all kinds of things with it it hurts hard fuck yeah it hurts but it works because i had a psoas messed up for one of my fights before my joe soto fight i couldn't throw a kick so two weeks before the fight i couldn't throw kicks i was like fuck man like my back i thought it was my back my lower back was toast i was like i had a massage therapist working on my back working on my back and then finally i got with someone's like no dude it's your psoas and they started digging in my psoas, and it was so freaking painful. Until Chandler brought it up, I didn't even know it was a muscle.

I didn't even know what the fuck that was. Dude, it's a motherfucker to get that work done. David Goggins had an issue with it as well. It was keeping him from running. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, it messes up your whole core. Yeah, but this is a simple plastic device.

You know, you lay on it. They sent me a box of them, man. I got one for you. I see it on my Instagram All the time It's a sponsored ad And I always Because he's Chandler Talking about it

So I was curious Chandler's really into his body And working out And he's got his own Workout program and stuff too Yeah his Instagram page Is good to follow It is

Because he's a fucking freak I mean he looks like a bodybuilder Yeah He's a freak athlete too I mean he's doing He does these Medicine ball back flips Oh yeah

Have you seen those Yes yeah He's an athlete man Back flips Slam the medicine ball Back flips S does these medicine ball backflips. Oh, yeah. Have you seen those? Yes, yeah. He's an athlete, man. He's doing backflips, slam the medicine ball, backflips, slam the medicine ball. Yeah. Jesus Christ, man. Yeah, he's a killer, man. He's another one at Bellator.

Yep. Another fucking stud. Yep. I mean, he's one of the best 155-pounders on the planet, no doubt about it. 100%. I agree with that. Just they've got to change the name. Yeah.

Scott Coker, I love you, but that name's whack. Yeah. Bellator. What is a Bellator, I love you, but that name's whack. Yeah. Bellator. What is a Bellator? I have no idea. I have no idea. But I feel like you can kind of feel the difference in the promotion when you go.

They're getting bigger and bigger, right? But you can feel the difference when you're there. Of course. But you see the talent that's in there and you're like, oh, shit. And they got Goldie over there now. I miss Goldie. Goldie's awesome. Shout out to my man. I saw him when I was there.

He always puts a smile on my face. He's great. I love that guy. I miss him. I was there. He always puts a smile on my face. He's great. I love that guy. I miss him. I love John Anik too, though. Yeah. And I just think they just don't have the funds that the UFC has. They don't have the deep pockets.

And the UFC's been around for so long. They just know how to do it. They just made the right moves. I mean, look, they're with ESPN, man. That's so crazy. It's amazing. I'm so happy. So awesome. When that that was signed i was so pumped just to see think what it's going to be in five years when they're in five years with espn like how much

we're going to be on tv and yeah the shows they're doing they're doing this thing too that's like uh not only are they going to follow the winner around after their fight they're also going to follow the loser around whoa to get into your life like like i mean yeah it's going to fucking suck if you think about it's like i don't want a camera following me around after i lose but they want to see how it affects your life like like me i've been i mean obviously i've been pretty pissed off about it you know like me if i wasn't staying busy with my businesses and my family like i would lose my mind well like i would like to see that like say brian ortega after he fought max holloway yeah he goes into that fight looking unbeatable and gets just touched up.

Max Holloway just touched him up, man. We really got to see who the fuck Max Holloway is after that fight. And his distance control, his pace, his output. Everything. He's just a champion. He's just a fucking champion. His mindset, too.

Yeah, he's just a champion. He's a gangster, dude. He's as gangster as they come. I love it. He's so gangster. And Ortega's as tough as they come, too, man. He's just a champion. He's a gangster, dude. He's as gangster as they come. I love it. He's so gangster. And Ortega's as tough as they come, too, man. He just wasn't ready for that yet. I think he will be, man.

Oh, yeah. He's like, you're saying like that, like have a camera phone around after a loss. I think he's looking for new things now, too. Oh, yeah. That's what, I mean, if you're a guy that takes a loss and you don't branch out to do new things, you're never going to get better. Well, his jujitsu is off the charts. Yeah. When he grabbed a a hold of cub's neck when he got the darts at the end of the first round i was like holy shit it's over yeah but the the bell rang and he got out of it but

then the second round when he jumped on him and grabbed that guillotine he went over the top of him like while they're standing up and clenched and got it and then came down on it and then had it in the air it's nasty His technique is so fucking sharp. And he can do that with everything. I mean, arm bars, triangles. I think he's got like a good squeeze cardio too. Oh, yeah. Well, you know what?

He's real legacy jujitsu. He comes from that Henner and Huron camp. And that's Horian school and where hoist was from that's the torrence crew i mean that's that's right from the fucking motherland and that is and you know there's a term that some people get offended by that term is basic jujitsu i'm not offended by that at all because some of the very best guys of all time whether it's's Hodger Gracie or Hickson. You don't see them doing weird stuff. It's all very standard.

It's not... I mean, there's basic striking. Look at Max Holloway beat Ortega. He used basic striking to beat him. Distance control on one-twos. Basics win national titles in wrestling. 100%. A high crotch. 100%. A sprawling spin behind. But it's the level of the basics. And this is what I was going to say about Max Holloway's jiul and spin behind but it's the level of the basics

and this is what I was going to say about Max Holloway's Jiu Jitsu it's like the level of his basics it's just it's so fucking polished

it's like as a as a person who loves martial arts for me when I see someone whose technique is that sharp I'm like woo that's what I want

to tell people this is why I get frustrated when I see people that are on their back and they're in the open guard and their legs are just kind of sitting there flailing away, and the guy's got his arms on the ground. I'm like, Jesus Christ, he's giving you arm bars.

He's giving you omoplates. He's giving you a sweep. He's setting himself up, and people don't know what to do. That's one thing I've added a lot to my game lately is being at Gracie Baja with Felipe de Monica is my jiu-jitsu, and I haven't got a chance to show you. I've been talking about it, like my Cody fights, but obviously those ended in a defeat.

This one, I didn't get a chance to show it. I was hoping we were going to go to the ground. I wanted to out-wrestle Sudo. I felt strong. It felt good. I was working with Daryl Christian on my wrestling. My jiu-jitsu has been on point with Felipe, and I've been adding a lot of like crazy

stuff to it um because like duane's only been out three days a week right and we kill it while duane's out here but then when he's gone i work on all my other stuff so it's forced me to get into my jujitsu a little bit more as well and uh i've been doing so good man i've been wanting to show it off but i haven't got that chance does he have you ranked does he give you a belt i don't do any gi um he calls me a blue black he's like you you a blue belt but really you black you know so he calls me a blue black don't you want to wear the gi just to get a belt i do um i always just out of camp i always figure out like i run out of time like yeah to get in there like the only time i feel like i can go and do gi training is when i'm not in camp which i want to do it until i get a fight lined

up i'm actually was just thinking that i'm gonna go and keep my weight down a good way i can do in yoga but why not go and do some gi jiu-jitsu um just to do it for fun yeah um and show that i can do gi um it's fun it's it's a whole nother game but when i'm in camp training i need those fast scrambles especially being on a lighter weight class i need the wrestling scrambles and especially finding a guy like Suhudo. Like we're not going to do jujitsu. We're going to do grappling. We're going to do MMA jujitsu.

Right, of course. And so I needed that kind of like fast motion, especially with smaller guys. Well, especially sweaty and slippery, and you really need gable grips and overhooks. Yeah. Yeah. The problem with Gi jujitsu, there's great things to it. One, you have to be Very tactical with your defense

You can't just muscle Out of things And that That's a big shock For a lot of people Like wrestlers in particular They're not used to Just exploding out of things

Getting out of everything And then reengaging And when you get You get your collars grabbed Yeah And you're like Ah shit Someone's choking you

With your own clothes Someone has your sleeve And they have your collar And you're like Ah fuck I'm locked up here But it's funny it's like more realistic for as a street fight oh yeah you know like well that was gonna say like the last thing you ever want to do is get like in a street fight with like someone who's a judo practitioner you know like you just get like um uh john hackleman had uh he had a thing on his Instagram yesterday about that

where it's like he's pointed to the to the floor of the cage it's like now imagine this is a fight this is concrete and this is you and someone's getting

hoisted in the air it's like take down defense which is so fucking true man so true I mean you

if you got in a like Hector Lombard or something like that as a judo. Yeah, there it is. Imagine this is you and this is concrete. Fuck. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah. Especially if somebody really fucking throws their legs up in the air and comes down with you. Fighting in the street is so dangerous, man. Oh, Jesus. It's so dangerous. Just hitting your head on the concrete. Oh, man. Someone getting knocked out and hitting their head on the concrete is just so dangerous.

Yeah, and it happens every goddamn day with people who don't know how to fight because they watch this shit and they think they can go and do it you know they're like I can fucking do that

get a couple shots of tequila in ya yeah the best YouTube videos ever is watching that stuff but it's always like oh man that guy might be dead

well if he's not dead he's fucked up for a long time yeah I don't think people understand I think I'll do more jits once I'm done fighting like gi jiu jitsu

just to try to get ranked. I'd like to be a black belt one day. Sure, for sure. I'm sure you can make it. Just to have that. Would you like to compete? I don't know. I don't know.

When I'm done fighting, I don't know if I want to compete ever again. Right. I've competed my whole life. I haven't competed since I was eight years old. I've never had a job. I've had side jobs and stuff, but I've never had a job. Like, I've had side jobs and stuff, you know, but I've never had a, like a career. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, I thought I was going to until I dropped out of school and decided to become an MMA fighter. My parents were like, you're crazy.

I don't know. You're obviously crazy, but the most crazy thing is that you had this thing in your mind that you wanted to out-wrestle Cejudo. Yeah,

I can't. It's different. It's different, man. MMA wrestling is different. It really is, man. I mean, he's, trust me, that would have been a feat in its own, right? He's a great wrestler, but it's different it's different man MMA wrestling is different it really is I mean he's trust me that would have been

a feat in it's own he's a great wrestler but it's different man but the fact that you wanted to do it yeah I want the I want the toughest tough

man like I'm I live by the sword I die by it I go out there I sling leather I brawl I want to fight like I don't have

boring fights I want to that's why I want to challenge Max Holloway that's why I want to beat Henry Cejudo I want to be the best and to do that i feel like you really need to challenge your name i'm not just talking the talk i'm not just doing it to talk shit i really want to do it now where does the 135 pound belt sit right now because you're the champion and if you do decide to

pursue the flyweight title again yeah for everyone else in that bantamweight division this is a kind of a clusterfuck, right? Yeah, I agree. We got a big fight on Saturday with Sensau and Marlon Marais.

Yes, huge fight. And they've already fought before too, so we'll see what happens with that fight, you know? And Cody Garbrandt's fighting Pedro Munoz. That's a good fight as well too.

That's coming up soon as well, right? Yeah, that's coming up in March, I believe. Is that the Vegas card? Yeah, 235. Yeah. So there's a bunch of big fights in that division yeah but i'd say the one that that really kind of plays a factor would be a since i'm on mariah's yes right yeah um which i have beaten to uh since i'll right marlon mariah's been looking good as well too but

since i was got a big win streak so yeah oh we'll see man i mean it depends if i fight so who do i 35s too like i don't know what's what i mean obviously i wanted at 25s he's talking about saving the flyweight division let's pump this thing up let's get it done like i want to but you don't want to relinquish your 35 pound crown so what if they come around and they say hey you've got to defend i want to be active too that's also something i want to say when i was getting on here because i'm calling out 45s i'm calling out this but i also don't want to be the guy that's just going to walk away from my belt either. I want to be the Cowboy Cerrone and be more active. I haven't been active enough lately. I've been too long at gaps of fighting, but because these fights have been built up, hyped up, people get hurt, this and that, I want to be a little bit more active. I'm always in shape. I'm always in the gym. I'm always in shape. I'm always in the gym.

I must be a little bit more of the – I mean, one of my training partners, Juan Archuleta, he fought four fights for Bellator in 10 months. You know, like I want to be a little more active. That's how I get paid. I'm turning 33 on February 7th, so my career is not going to last forever. I want to start collecting them paychecks, you know. When do you think you're going to – do you have a game plan or when are you going to ride off into the sunset?

Not necessarily. I guess when the opportunities, it doesn't seem like it makes sense as well as maybe my health. As long as everything is going well, I feel healthy, which the way I've been treating my body is the healthiest I've ever been, which is crazy. So as long as I have the right people around me, like my wife and my coaches will tell me like, look,

man, you need to hang it up. And I feel like I have those people around me. Like, I don't want to be the, I mean, I don't want to talk shit. I don't want to be like the chocolate.

I'll fight him because I need it. Right. Right. Another reason why I've created other businesses to, I don't have to fight. I don't, I don't want to fight because I have to, you know,

so I've been, I've been really smart with my money. I've been really smart with my investments to where I could walk away, you know, but I have too much to prove right now. I have too much to give back. First and foremost is fighting against Henry Cejudo. Well, I'm glad to hear that you are thinking about that, that you're planning for the future.

There's a lot of guys that have done it. Mike Bisping has planned very well for the future. Brendan Schaub is like the fucking gold standard. He's really taken off since he's decided to retire. But it's, you know, there's a lot of stuff that you can do. It's good to see that you're doing this. And tell people how to get a hold of this, Flavor Republic Spice Company.

Yeah, we're on flavorrepublic.co. We are on Amazon. Oh, cool. Yeah, you can find us anywhere. I mean, obviously, I love people to go to our website to really check out who we are and the story behind us. Um, I've started my fit to fight program at TJ Dillashaw.com. And you have an app as well. Uh, my app, it's Sam's app, but I've created with him. It's called train champ. Um, that's at training lab.com. Um,

so there's like a difference. So if you're into martial arts and getting in shape, uh, my fit to fight program is, is going to not only make you better technically in it. I feel like it's one of a kind. It teaches MMA for everything. So kickboxing for MMA, boxing for MMA, uh, wrestling for MMA and jujitsu for MMA. So it's like more of an instructional thing, but it's also, uh, like training program. And strength conditioning for MMA, right?

Everything's based around like a fight camp. That's why it's fit to fight Sam Calvita's is like the if you're really into your body you want to be healthy you want to get in crazy shape or if you have goals to gain weight lose weight get your hair analysis done to realize like what's in your body or supplementation they do go hand in hand but depends like so if you want to just be more of like getting in shape and be healthy that one's like you'll get more information you can ever imagine off of sam's app like when i tell you about stuff it's hard for me to even explain everything his app or his website will tell you more about it

and your stuff is all web-based your fit to fight program yes yeah so like ipad laptop yes my fit to fight like once you buy the fit to fight you get all like it's 140 videos it's like all the cart you get them all like there it is and i run you through like um so say we're doing kickboxing today for our workout like i've run a class we're gonna do kickboxing drills and then i'll pair them up with a strength conditioning workout that'll make you better at kickboxing you know maybe i'm doing some core stuff or some uh footwork drills and then i'm doing how to throw a head kick things like that it's um it's a full full schedule you know badass little website too that looks nice thank you man it took it's taking me a long time to build it um been over a year of

recording videos and building it and obviously it's like 15 years of my knowledge of me putting in through wrestling and in all my ma career stuff too. So I've been doing that. I'm doing so much. I have a company I'm starting – well, not starting. I'm franchising out a cold-pressed juice company in Yorba Linda called Clean Juice. It's really cool. I'm opening that up here in the next couple months. Nice.

I am. I'm really thinking about my future. I got a one-year-old kid, and I got futures of having more kids. And so I want to be able to be around and have my career set up for that. That's awesome, dude. Yeah. Well, listen, best of luck to you. Congratulations on everything you've done so far.

And I can't wait to see you back in there and let us know, like, when you're fighting again. And we'll let everybody else know, too. Trust me, I'll let everyone know, man. I really appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you very much. T.J. Dillashaw, ladies and gentlemen.

Thank you.