The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #62 with Brendan Schaub

Episode Date: April 15, 2019

Joe is joined by Brendan Schaub to discuss the fights from UFC 236.

Let's go live. 5, 4, 3, 2, 1. And yee-haw, Brendan Chobb. What's up, dawg? Did you buy those shoes yourself? Yeah, I bought these. A little too much flair for you? It's summer, bro.

Confident move. You got the tight pants around the ankles. Yeah. Just riding high enough to see the Gucci shoes. Yeah. I get it, bro. Gucci denim, bro. I get it. it gucci denim bro i get it what's up bro it works you can pull it off you're making fun of me going yeah i always say like i bet your girls like these like yeah girls also like dick though man good point legit point sir it's true it's so true dude how about these fights let's get oh my god

how about these fights how about i almost didn't see them can i text you during the broadcast the espn plus thing was a nightmare man yeah they had some hiccups yeah that'd be an understatement yeah that that has happened before right well digital stuff in 2019 though especially with espn though that's where i was just shocked and me being like a super fan i had to figure it out but you know how i had to figure it out because it didn't work on any platform so and it's a hiccup where you kind of ordered off the app so you had to close the app order it from a desktop then shut down something then go to your tv it was a nightmare but that didn't work for me and then i was like all right and then i slowly was missing the first fight i'm like man i gotta figure stuff out and i tweeted out i was having problems and

2 000 savages sent me links to legal streams legal or illegal illegal but of course you didn't watch those illegal streams i didn't joe and i'm glad you pointed out i did not but if i were going to would it be awesome it was awesome it was hd and had zero problems if i was going to i'm glad you didn't because they could track you that face recognition software they could they could definitely track me it's a huge problem well it was definitely a huge problem for the first event um i don't know uh i don't know how many people downloaded it and did it but i bet they probably didn't see the number coming it was a big fight and those two fights were huge i mean first of all something

happened um i think within the last year or so for max holloway or where when Max Holloway's face goes up on the screen, people go nuts. Because they know he throws down. Yeah, I think it was the Ortega fight. I really think that Ortega fight made him a superstar. I really do. The Aldo ones definitely helped him. For sure they did.

The back-to-back Aldo ass whoopings and then the Ortega one. The thing that was different, though, is Ortega had a big following. Ortega was the young, beautiful- Lion with fantastic jujitsu, handsome guy, cool, smooth talker, looks like a champion. Yep. Fucking everybody up. So he had a lot of fans coming in there, and they went to war. They went to war. And Max came out on top, and I think Max, a lot of those people, and because they were

so cool with each other during, before, and after. People loved it. Dude, Max, he loses better than anyone on the fucking planet. Loses or wins. He just goes, hey, I'm just going to get better. He doesn't lose a lot. He doesn't. No.

I mean, he lost to Conor. He lost to Dustin in his very first fight ever. You know, he's 20 years old. But I also think Max is, because we've always said, I think both of us have been in agreement where if a guy is cutting a ton of weight and killing himself, go to the next weight class. I've always said that, whether it was Darren Till, whether Chris Weidman, Luke Rockhold, John Jones, like, dude, go up a weight class. Dominate.

And then this is kind of the first time we've seen a guy where it's like, it's not that easy because Max hollywood went up but you could see the power wasn't there like he might have he and he did he landed more than uh dustin poirier but when dustin hit landed it you could see that it fucking counted dustin is big dude he's big remember he used to fight at 45 though he used to fight at 45 and it really struggled there um but at 55 he's found a spot and you look at him he almost looks like a welterweight i mean he's big he looks like tyron woodley size and he cuts a shitload of weight and max hallway in that fight just looked like they didn't look like the same no just poor like

fucking meaty well and you gotta give credit to poyer too because if you look at the two of them like after the fight there was a big difference between the amount of damage that Poirier landed. Big difference. He was hitting him with big shots. And it wasn't just big shots. It was shots, period. He was hitting him with really clean, well-timed shots with great head movement, great movement. How about that knee?

Dude, everything, man. Split open his head, man. Yeah, everything. He did everything great. I mean, he really, that was a coming out party for Dustin Poirier in a lot of ways. For the common fan. I mean, he really, that was a coming out party for Dustin Poirier in a lot of ways. For the common fan. Well, yeah. Well, the people that knew him from the Gagey fight, knew him from the Eddie Alvarez fight,

they knew that, man, he beat these two really good guys. But Max Holloway might be one of the best pound for pound fighters in the world. And I think he is. I think Max Holloway is the greatest 145er of all time. Yes. I think he's a damn good 55er. But 55 could be tough for max well this is a great example of what we've always said about the differences between the size of people and this is a it's it's first of all i mean all credit to uh dustin poirier because he put on a phenomenal

performance he got you know he got tested in that fight he came through and we see we talked about in the post-fight interview that he got hurt in the third round. He came through and just super impressive. Think about his wins. Striking. Yeah, man. Anthony Pettis. Anthony Pettis, world champion.

Gaethje, world champion. Eddie Alvarez, world champion. Max Holloway, world champion. The Pettis one, though, wasn't that an injury? I feel like Pettis got injured and he stopped the fight. Did he break his hand? Is that what happened? No. I feel like the Pettis got injured and he stopped the fight? Did he break his hand? Is that what happened? No.

I feel like the Pettis one was an injury. He had the issues with Eddie Alvarez, right? Which was a no contest. Yeah. I think, well, there was one fight where Dustin Poirier, no, yeah, I think that was it. There was one fight with Pettis where Pettis broke his hand and Duke Rufus stopped the fight. Remember that?

Tony Ferguson. Was it Tony Ferguson? That's Tony Ferguson. You're right. You're right. That was a great round. Maybe it was an injury. Oh, it was a rib.

Remember? Oh, it was a rib. That's right. That's right. Dustin got on top of him and hurt his rib. That's right. But still, look at Poirier's wins, man. Yeah.

Well, that's a weird one too, right? It's because like, was that rib injury from a Poirier body shot? Yeah. What was that from? Or was it from the takedown? Like, what was it something happened yeah I don't remember that's right but either but that's more like a TKO yeah you look at Poirier's uh his list man the guys who's fought and who's lost to it's so impressive

yeah and Poirier's the guy same thing with when Michael Bisping won I always root for those guys those guys who've been around forever and they fight the best of the best. They might lose one or two here, but they've been around for so long. You just hope there's a title at the end of their career. You just hope. And sometimes it doesn't look like it's going to happen. Then when it does happen, I'm just so happy for those guys. He's such a good guy, too. Dustin Poirier.

Great guy. He's a great guy. He's smart. He's ambitious. Theo Vaughn's favorite fighter. He works hard. How hilarious is that, seeing those two guys together? That was hilarious.

He's calling them the Rat King. They both went to the same homeschool. How about Theo was yelling instructions? I see him in the Martin King of Sting. I'm going to roast the shit out of him. Did you see him? Take him down! I went, what is happening right now?

Why does this happen? Yeah. Shouting instructions. Luckily, the UFC provides me with headphones. I was hoping you would have turned around Like dude What are you doing I love Theo

He's the best Yeah Such a character Unique kid He was so happy He was so happy I mean him bet Well I just bet

Because obviously him You thought What did you think I thought it was Going to be a great fight I thought Max At 55 Everything was going to

Carry with him I thought Max Would probably get it done But I knew it was Going to be a good fight. I thought Max at 55, everything was going to carry with him. I thought Max would probably get it done, but I knew it was going to be a good fight. I was just betting Theo because Theo is boys with Dustin. They're from the same area. So it was just a friendly bet. I would never bet against Dustin Poirier. Look at these fools. Hilarious.

That's amazing. How about Theo? Theo's never been in a fight before, and he texts me halfway through. He goes, dude, I can't believe you did this shit. I go, maybe a little respect now around King of the Sting, all right? Maybe a little fucking respect, bro. Yeah, he was looking at it as a complete outsider. He had no idea.

I told him. I said, it's super intense, man. You're seeing four of the best fighters on planet Earth. You're seeing the very, very best. Shootouts, man. The Kelvin Gastelum stylebender fight was a shootout. of the best fighters on planet earth yeah you're seeing the very very best shootouts man the kelvin gastelum stylebender fight was a shootout best title fight for me i've ever watched ever it's one of the best fights of all time has to be it has to be and when you see stylebender

get rocked in the first round dropped you're like holy shit i think it's the best thing that happened to him it's a good thing i think it's a good thing for career-wise and going forward it's a good thing you face a little adversity we see that he's not going to get hit and crumble you and i you got one you got a special dude in stylebender and how good is kelvin god damn he's tough how fast are his fucking hands he's so fucking tough and even after all that i mean stylebender was teeing off on him in that fifth round and kelvin is finding a way to survive i'm like he's a great incredible stylebender's face looked like he was allergic to shellfish did you see his face look at his face how the fourth round he was in a war man he was in a war kel Kelvin hit him with some bombs, man. Bombs. Yeah. And it's also, I think it's good we saw Asanya get hit and get knocked down.

We saw him get taken down. We saw what happens when he's off his back, look pretty fucking good. He's attacking. He's transitions. He had him locked up in a triangle. He had him locked up. Who knows what the fuck would have happened if that was early in the fight and they were dry. So I think that fight for Stobin checked all the boxes.

But also, what's great about this is Kelvin's stock doesn't go down. No. If anything, I'd watch that guy fight whenever. Whenever. And let's be honest, he's really a welterweight. Correct. He's super small for a weight. If Darren Till can make 170 pounds, so can Kelvin.

It's a discipline thing, yes. I just think there should be more weight classes. I don't even think it's... I don't think he's a... Talk to dana man 65 you could tax me no one no one listens to me and i don't want him to really yeah i do i'd rather just stay out here and talk about it yeah i want to be involved but what happens if pushed it i've said i think there should be a weight class every time i get out of here we could like dangle the carrot like yo we do a fight campaign every time a 165er fights

and just dangle that carrot. Yeah. He probably still wouldn't do it. Probably still wouldn't do it. It's one of those things where I think they like it the way it is. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Yeah, but it doesn't make sense because if you're going to do all these interim belts,

why not do 65? Belts on belts on belts. Do you think they would think that it's watered down? They have too many weight classes? That people would just be jumping back and forth from weight class, which they would be. Talking about chaos, which I love. But you would also have people that find a weight class where they could be at their best versus either have to bulk up or have to drop too much weight and compromise yourself.

It's a happy medium for a lot of guys that are not hitting that happy medium right now. We're not getting their best performance. But here's the thing about so if Kelvin should be a 170 year style benders a small 85 er Yes, he weighed in at 183. Yep. He weighed under the weight limit. So look at how big some of these guys are Oh my Brandon Davis do the kid that fights in 35. He was 160 dude. There was Brandon Davis, right? Was that who said that? Well, some of those 85ers, like you look at Jacare, you look at Yoel Romero. Yoel Romero's gigantic, dude. He looks like a heavyweight.

I mean, it's going to happen. Think about Yoel Romero, stylebender. Like Yoel Romero's jack, dude. Yeah. He's a big fella. Like stylebender could probably make 170 easier than fucking 85. I mean, 85 is a big weight class. Yeah. That's why, have you seen the talk, it makes no sense, style a A big weight class Yeah That's why

Have you seen the talk It makes no sense Stylebender and John Jones That's crazy What are we doing Who the fuck's Picking up on that That's just cause

They're talking shit What are you I can't find I don't see anything Just the last card Just I see it right here It just says

Yeah he ballooned back up To 160 pounds Yeah It was Brandon Davis right From 35 He's really talented It's crazy when I'm Standing next to him This guy guy weighed in at 35.

Because I'm looking at him. He looked all of 165 pounds. He's 5'10". He looks so big for that 135-pound weight class. I'm like, this is crazy. Well, even Max at 45 is fucking huge. But the UFC Performance Institute gave him the green light to do that. Wow.

So they must have known what they were doing. It says, David's fight with Costa was a first in the the bandwagon division said he needed to make serious sacrifices to get there he said he cut out drinking alcohol damn shit and ran 20 miles per day oh the terrible in order to make the weight by the time he stepped in the octagon at 236 he had ballooned back let me see this dude he's really big man he must be huge. Well, the thing is, he was also, he was not just tall, but he's thick. It's weird how you can lose that much weight. But why not just fight at 45?

Why kill yourself? 20 miles a day? When he did fight at 45, he fought Zabit in his last fight. Wow. Yeah, Zabit Magomed Sharapov. Zabit got him in that crazy arm bar from the back. Yeah, I remember that. Leg lock from the back.

Yeah, which is so nasty. Filthy. From back mount. Filthy. That's nasty. There's two that night. Oof, I know. It's crazy.

That's a crazy move, right? But when I think of 185ers, think of Luke Rockhold. He's huge, man. Yeah. He's a big ass. He's huge. But then Whitaker's not like freakishly big. I think Luke's done

With 85 Yeah he's at 205 now Is it 100% Or is he just gonna No it's 100% He has a fight lined up already But I mean Is he gonna stay there

Or is he just doing it For one fight Pretty sure he's staying there Probably a good idea But then you look at Whitaker Who's at 85 He's not huge He's stocky

But he's not like huge He's like the perfect size Whitaker Cause he still can knock out Anybody But he's got awesome Cardio and pace Strong too He's strong I mean he's like the perfect size whittaker because he still can knock out anybody but he's got awesome cardio and strong too he's strong he's not as strong as yoel romero but he's strong enough to hold them off no one is who is no one is you gotta get that that cuban gene pool to get

that there's you know i'm saying like there's there's certain gene pools like that fucking mountain from game of thrones there's some gene pools out there man well yeah and then we throw in steroids in that pool oh you do do you see admitted to it of course he did of course he did yeah how yeah he was like yeah no shit yeah and then when they kept asking about the go are you currently taking he goes listen i don't really want to talk about this it's like yeah no of course i am why are they asking questions like that i know it's the strongest man contest but think think about, come on. Yeah, who's going to win? Who gives a fuck?

How about Stylebender versus Whitaker? Yeah, man. The all-oceanic fight. Are you really going to fly to Australia for that pay-per-view? Thinking about it. Dude, there ain't two dudes on this planet that can get me to fly to Australia. Two? There's not.

No dudes on this planet. Wouldn't you want to be there live, though? No, Joe. I'd rather be here. no dudes on this planet. Wouldn't you want to be there live though? No, Joe. I'd rather be here. I'd rather be here. You're crazy. I love Australia, but now if Rihanna

was like, yo dude, get to Australia. I'm like, I'm on my way. Say no more, fam. No. But not two dudes.

Yeah, but that fight, dude, I want to see that fight in the flesh. Live? You're going to do it? I think I might. I want to see how that goes the flesh. Live? You're going to do it? I think I might. I want to see how that goes down.

That's a great fight. Whitaker is a fucking animal, man. Just think about how much pain that guy had to be in to an almost fight with a hernia and a ruptured, he had a ruptured rectum, right? Was it a ruptured rectum? I thought it was just a hernia. I think his rectum's fine. No, no, no.

I think he had two major injuries. No, I know his intestines were popping through. Yeah, but I think it was another one. Damn, his rectum was fucked up too? Yeah. Didn't he have a tear? Is that called a hemorrhoid? No, no, no.

Like a tear. In his ass? You know, think about the fucking strain from sparring. Just think about getting taken down while you're trying to throw a kick you land fucked up on your hip never ripped my asshole you could rip your asshole i'm just saying i never kick you catch a kick in the asshole yeah easily for sure for sure people lose eyes how about someone misses a spinning back kick low and it just catches your taint oh man just the heel hits your taint rips your taint away from the bone that shit happens

i wonder what i i don't know what the odds would be i would assume whittaker's a slight favorite in that fight i would say so yeah i would say you know based on what kelvin did well based off what kelvin did based off whittaker's uh two fights with yoel he's been the only guy to hold yoel off although i have said that i did think. He's been the only guy to hold Yoel off. Although I have said that I did think that Yoel won the second fight. Interesting. I thought Yoel, I think by the new scoring, Yoel had him rocked and hurt.

By the new scoring, I felt like it should have been worth more. You thought it should have been a 10-8. Yeah, I mean, he had him almost out. He had him staggered. We didn't see him do that to Yoel, but he did he won more rounds and survived he survived he won more rounds it's like how much of those a draw if you're watching a fight if a fight is a fight if it was i mean i understand it's a sport but it's a sport of

fighting if you're watching a fight and one guy is really fucking a guy up and the other guy never does that who do you think won that fight do you think you're right you can't yeah but do you think the guy that just moves around and touches him with the jet and i'm not saying this what whitaker did but just as a what if if a guy's just moving around for four rounds and he's touching you with the jab and leg kicking you and shutting you out fighting in the street but then in the round, you knock him down four times. You beat the fuck out of him. He's running away from you.

His nose gets bloodied. You end the fight with your hand raised without a mark on your face. The other guy's face is pizza. Maybe. I'd look at my boys like, damn, for that first 20, that boy was moving. Right, right, right. It's a good question. It's because how much is that round worth? As a sport, though.

Yeah, that's what it is. Because as a sport, you that's what it Because as a sport Yeah you have to judge it As cumulative Yeah if you're going to Judge it on a scorecard You have to It has to be cumulative

The question is like How much is it worth For a guy to Really take it to a guy And almost stop him See I don't I don't think there should be More draws

I don't have a problem With a draw I don't have a problem With a draw Like when that fight If there was a draw I'm like that makes sense Redo it

Let's get a clear cut winner I think when a person Gets really rocked like that it's worth more than a point i think it's worth more than two points i think it's worth a lot you think it should be like 10-7 i think it's a big deal god then you're fucked you're fucked but you are fucked in real life you're because of a rough well no because real life you're kind of fucked right like you did the idea that you could go through a round, you don't know who won, right? A round where it's like a lot of feeling out, a lot of touching, you know, the this and the that. And, you know, okay, perfect example.

First round, Anderson Silva versus Stylebender. Yeah. Okay? You could give it to Stylebender for sure, but it was a round where they were feeling each other out. Either way. There was not one big moment where, oh my stylebender's taken over this fight is almost done so that's 10-9 but yet another fight where a guy beats the shit out of a guy and doesn't drop him and they have exchanges but the guy gets rocked and hurt is that 10-9 too i know it's weird what

if he head kicks him and drops him and the guy barely survives you hammer fist him at the end of the bell is it 10-9 i know in the old system it is but what the end of the bell. Is it 10-9? I know. In the old system, it is. But what is it in the new system? Is it 10-8? But even if it's 10-8, I think it should be more than 10-8. That guy almost went out. But the only thing is you're fucked. Let's say you do a 10-6 or 10-7. Right.

Then you get dropped. It's going to be tough. You've got to get a finish. Here's the argument against what I'm saying. Here's the argument against it. Frankie Edgar versus Gray Maynard, especially the first one. Right? Gray Maynard drops him, has him badly hurt in the first round.

Frankie manages to survive and come back and win enough rounds and win the fight. That's the exception, though. It is the exception. Well, it's kind of like if you gave him like five points for that round. Yeah. Well, it's kind of like with Roundtree and Eric Anders. Dude. How the fuck were people scoring those rounds 10-9?

Yeah, that's ridiculous. What the fuck are you doing? That's a perfect example. What are you fuck were people scoring those rounds 10-9? Yeah, that's ridiculous. What the fuck are you doing? That's a perfect example. What are you doing? How is that a 10-9? That wasn't a competitive fight. How good does Roundtree look? How good?

You said something on the broadcast. Someone's booking a trip to Bacow. Yeah. Every fighter's like, where the fuck was he at? They're making fucking plane trips to Phuket. My only thing with that is, what's the grappling like out there? Hey, man, I don't know, man, but get somebody to help him. Get somebody.

That motherfucker, he throws some of the nastiest inside leg kicks, and so fast, and he was total Thai style. I wish I could lift my arms up. He's got my shoulders hurt. You could tell he was just in it. Total Thai style, but he was feeling it. With a light front leg. Dude, his timing, his speed was off the charts.

He fucked his leg up. I hope Eric Anders posted a picture today about it. First of all, how fucking tough is Eric Anders? His coaches, what are you doing? This is not a title fight. There's nothing really on the line here. It's just not his day. They couldn't ask him to quit. You didn it's just not his day you couldn't ask

him game plan for fucking ask him to quit they just wouldn't ask him to quit he's so fucking coaches have he's so tough crimson tide alumni monster did you hear what john annick said what he said he said he goes he loves when he fights because then bruce buffer has to say your boy oh really that's hilarious is your boy your Your boy, Anders. That's hilarious. Dude, he's a bad motherfucker. Your boy? He's a bad motherfucker because that guy does not have a long history

of mixed martial arts like a lot of these guys. Athletic, man. Way more athletic than the rest. Way more athletic than a lot of them. But look, Khalil's athletic as fuck too, man. You know he used to be 320 pounds? Yeah, he was huge.

Have you met him in photos? Great guy. Great guy. Used to train with him. Monster. I'm just, well, I was impressed when he knocked out Gokhan Saki. And then I know he lost to Johnny Walker, who's just a beast. I don't know what to make of Johnny Walker yet.

Ooh, he's scary. I'm on the train, but I'm kind of like, where are we at? I'm on. I'm fucking too. I'm on the, me too. I'm pulling hard. And I'm on the back like, let's go, Johnny. He's a bad motherfucker, dude.

He's something special. He's something special. I'm not, I'm not. I hope he didn't hurt his fucking shoulder when he fell. I know. When he did that worm thing. I something special I'm not I hope he didn't hurt His fucking shoulder When he fell I know When he did that worm thing I hope

I hope he didn't really hurt himself Cause if he really hurt himself And they can't fix that That would be a Damn shame If the way he got injured Is falling down Playing around

After a spectacular victory I thought he came out And said he was fine though His man said he's fine He would say that I would say that too Yeah me too you gotta tell everybody you're fine we'll fix this we'll fix he does look like a freak though

he's a freak dude he has crazy power crazy power he's scary and he caught khalil with uh an elbow with one of those up when those elbows were your hands up high you know in the tie style in the clinch but it was beautiful flatline them it was him The way he did it though Like the technique Look anybody gets flatline With that fucking elbow Anybody That guy hits hard But how about That's the fight

That was the reason Why Khalil went to Thailand Yes That's what I was gonna say It's beautiful And now he's all in He's like He's moving there

He's gonna move his family there He's gonna do all his camps That's so intense It's so intense But when you have results like that Like I love it I love a story like that I love a story like that. I love a story like that.

Until a grappler comes around and goes, boy, that's cool. Thailand riding elephants and shit. Check this out. Yeah, but doesn't like Phuket top team and a lot of those places out there and AKA Mike Swick's place, they must have wrestling. I'm sure, right? Mike Swick came out of AKA American Trick Boxing Academy. But Mike Swick Wasn't exactly a wrestler

Well he But he knows the deal Always with wrestlers though Yeah you're right I mean he knew how to wrestle Swick could do everything Yeah that's true And he's been in the game

I'm sure they got But is that where he's at AKA out there Yeah he's got his place out there But now I'm saying Is that where Khalil's at I do not know where Khalil's at I think he's at

Straight kicking bamboo I think he's doing the real deal Lionheart style Yeah Drinking coconuts Hanging out with ladyboys Go to his I do not know what Khalil is at. I think he's at straight kicking bamboo. I think he's doing the real deal. Lionheart style. Yeah. Drinking coconuts. He actually posted. Hang out with the ladyboys. Go to his, see if you can go to Khalil Roundtree Jr.'s Instagram page, because he posted thanks

after the fight. There's a lot of people doing it. Yeah. Well, a lot of people are going to Thailand. I think there's something to it, man. Learning in the motherland with those dudes, watching those guys work out and train and just to be in that environment. It's good for the soul. You know what it would be like?

He's the nicest guy, Joe. The nicest guy out there. Yeah, that's Khalil's Instagram. That's me and him and his crew. You know, he used to work at like an MMA warehouse and sell shirts when he was 300 pounds. It was like, dude, I want to fight. That's crazy. See if there's a thing.

Go back to the, oh, that's it right if There's a thing Go to the Back to the Oh that's it right there Sorry go back to that one See there It says Teddy Bear Peachy Indie

Boxing See that Click on that Click on that That's the dude I think that's That's the gym So he's with

Or that's One of his friends That's him He's training with him Right there That's the gym there Yeah Oh that's not what I'm thinking See I want That's him. He's training with him right there. That's the gym there? Yeah. Oh, that's not what I'm thinking.

See, I want to, damn, that dude is in shape. I want to see. Listen, you want Khalil Rowntree Jr. kicking you, you're probably better off in that shape. You'd be fucking, yeah, you'd be shaped like a tight snowman. So that dude was probably his pads guy that helped him with his pads. He's doing work, man. Damn, look at the legs on that fucking tight dude, bro. That dude's thick. He's on that fucking time dude bro dude's thick he's on that

western diet son he's like pass on the pad time get me the donald trump pad time fuck that noise but there's something too i think it's good for the soul might be so being over there you mean yeah there's something about khalil man oh this is a jamie's doing this just to make us laugh thank you son of a bitch Shout out to that guy Yeah There's something about Being in a place

Where something was invented That must give you Like some extra juice Have you ever done Jiu Jitsu in Brazil No It's a special place I mean they hate white people

But it's a special place No they hated me But yeah Especially when you're Fighting Noguera Doing Jiu Jitsu Of course they're gonna hate you If you fight Noguera

Yeah it's fine Yeah And you're a Jiu Jitsu guy Yeah Yeah you came from Jiu Jitsu So for you to fighting Noguera doing jiu-jitsu. Of course they're going to hate you if you fight Noguera. Yeah, it's funny. And you're a jiu-jitsu guy. Yeah. Yeah, you came from jiu-jitsu. So for you to fight Noguera, that was a thing, right? Like if you fought a jiu-jitsu guy. And remember the early days?

If a jiu-jitsu guy fought a jiu-jitsu guy, it'd be a real issue in the jiu-jitsu community. Why don't you fight somebody else? Well, remember with Anderson, he didn't want to fight other Brazilians. That's right. And we fought like Tal's ladies and Damian Maia. It was like the worst fights ever. Yes, that's right. Strange. Isn't that weird?

The Tal's ladies fight, it's almost like you just kind of let them survive. Because he's Brazilian. That's crazy. White people fuck each other up. No, I think it's like a, do you think it's a nationalistic thing? You think they made like,

They take care of each other? Yeah. I think for a little bit. Or do you think it's just that Tal's latest was think they made like... They take care of each other? Yeah. I think for a little bit. Or do you think it's just that Talos Leites was good? He didn't want to take any chances? I don't think so. I think it's too much of a respect thing. Really?

Yeah, I think so. So you think it was a Brazil thing? Although with Vitor Belfort, it was a cool story flicked to the face. Yeah. But the thing with Damian Maia was they had a real problem. There was some sort of real animosity between them. Because remember Damian Maia... Oh had like a real problem there was some sort of like real animosity between them because remember Damian Maia

oh with the mask yeah no no that was Vitor you're right but he was yelling at Damian Maia that's right and Damian was like

this is disrespectful Brazilians don't act this way yeah there was something going on there when he's fighting other Brazilians it sucked

and then he he blew himself out going after Damian maya and then coasted for the last few rounds remember yes that was a big deal everybody's mad it was in dubai and chris weidman fought on the same card and bj penn that's when frankie edgar beat bj penn that's right that's a new one the title i heard there i heard khabib's next fight might be in dubai in september whoa dude khabib is pack your bags kusty versus dustin whoo that is that is going to be wild that's going to be wild that's yeah that's a tough fucking fight man can crack dustin

can crack he can crack i mean he's uh he's an interesting cat it's like how good is he going to be able to fend off that grappling how good can anyone fend it off it's going to be hard no one can it's going to be hard i'll tell you what the fight is i had him on my show it's justin gaethje and he was like dude i'd love to fight khabib he's like what's he gonna do to me i was like take you down he's like i can wrestle my ass off and i scramble that's where he gets guys in the scramble he goes that's what i specialize in he's a wild man you know one thing i believe he doesn't like being called wild i believe he would want to fight i don't mean wild like he's not calculating but i mean wild in that he takes risks correct he calculates his ability to perform in those risks but he forces action

he wants one of the reasons why yeah he forces action it's it's definitely technical but he's he's a risk taker. He's not laying back. Like if we just talked about Anderson Silva versus Talos Leites, that was not a risk taking fight. Terrible fight. That motherfucker never has fights like that. Never. Just to gauge you.

He takes your soul. He says he fights that way because he doesn't have the car. He goes, the way I fight, I don't have the cardio to go fight. Like my style isn't conservative. I have to get it in. Jesus. Well, with Khabib, those are issues, man. Yeah.

That motherfucker will go all five. All five. I don't know who's going to beat Khabib. He's big, too. I don't know who's going to beat Khabib. Khabib struggled for 55. He struggled. Khabib's scary, man.

Until he got his nutrition on track, remember? He had some issues. He's a fucking phenomenal grappler. I don't know who's going to beat him. He's scary, man. Until he got his nutrition on track, remember? He had some issues. He's a fucking phenomenal grappler. I don't know who's going to beat him. He's so good. His grappling's so good. When he tied up Conor's legs in that first round, I was like, Jesus Christ. This is early on.

I think maybe Tony Ferguson. Tony Ferguson has a real good chance of making it interesting because of his own wrestling and his scramble ability. Tony's a wild scrambler. Ready for this? Tony Ferguson and Gaethje. They're both available. Everyone else is matched up.

Chaos. Chaos. Pure chaos. But I bet Tony is pissed and wants a shot at the title, which he was on his way to that when his knee ripped apart at a fucking promotional thing. UFC Tonight thing. It's so crazy.

Tripping on wires. A freak incident. Talk about a guy who deserves the title shot yes and a guy who people have kind of like forgotten in the mix of all these killers there's so many 55 pounders that are just straight up killers monsters you know i mean it's what a what a wild division when you look at 55 70 85 that, there's never been a better time to be a UFC fan. It is murderous fucking row. It really is, man. You look at it like, oh my God.

It really is. I was looking up the matchups for Stylebender. I'm like, what the fuck? These are scary. So many fights. I look at 170. Who's the scariest, if you had to think of Stylebender? Is Joel Romero the scariest fight for him?

That's a pretty scary fight. Right, stylistically, right? He's scary for everybody. He's scary for everybody. He's scary for everybody. Still. 40 years old. Jesus Christ. Every bit of it, too, and just monster.

Monster. And so explosive. And the fucking wrestling. His wrestling is from another planet. And he's getting explosive with his striking. Yeah. He'll fuck you up. He'll spinning backfist you.

You always got to worry about him exploding. He's a fucking nightmare fist you. You always got to worry about him exploding. God, he's a fucking nightmare, man. Because you got to worry about him exploding. If you try to catch a break, if you're standing on the outside and you're both breathing and you're moving, you're like, maybe this is the time I'm going to catch a break. And then all of a sudden, he flying knees you in the face and you didn't see it coming. And whether you're Whitaker or Stalbender, whoever wins that fight in Australia, you got Yoel Romero next.

Yeah. He's number one. I'm sure he's going to fight before then, but. How much longer can he do that? When's father time go? Yoel, you're special, but let's go. Yeah. When is it?

You know? But Whitaker also, the thing with Whitaker is he gets seriously injured after every fight and has to have surgery. When's that going to catch up with him? Well. When stylebender's healthy as fuck. That's true. Or drink the shellfish, but healthy as fuck. when you're that good and you go that hard i mean to train as hard as he must train

to be as good as robert whittaker is the human body like like kane velasquez is the great example of that right a guy was never that explosive like those guys right but he has unbelievable work ethic correct that's part of what it is man man. Correct. It's just the ability to push through pain, the ability to just keep working and working and working and grind and attack. And that way when you're in those fights, like a guy like Kane would put it on people to the point where they couldn't believe it was real. They're like, this doesn't even make sense. Like, how is he coming after me still? Like, how is he not tired? What the fuck is going on here?

But you know who can do that and decides whether or not he's going to do it? It's Jon Jones. Jon Jones can do that. Can do this. And not suffering from those kind of injuries. Nothing. And Jon goes, what style do you do? You're a grinder?

Let me show you how to grind. Yeah. Oh, you're a striking expert? Let me show you how to strike. Yeah. He's so fucking good, man. Why is Stylebender and Jon Jonesones why are they talking shit to each other do you know what started it uh yeah um john did a it originally it started it did start with

john he came out in the interview and goes you know stylebender's looking good he's fighting 85 it's only a matter of time before i think we cross pass which is silly and then stylebender i think tmz asked him he's like i already beat one goat i need another one you know i'm just getting started but if you're john why are you even engaging in this why are you punching down john because santa john well it's great for john because he wants to let everybody know hey i'm the best motherfucker on the planet but we know this yeah but he wants to let everybody know like when he's when there's a card that's about someone else. I mean, he's active now, right? Jon Jones got momentum now.

Think about where he's at right now. He's in his 30s, right? Long-ass fucking career as champion, as the best ever. Correct. He's on a run right now. That's what I think. I think they took it away from him for all those months when he tested positive. That long suspension, all that time off, all money that he should have made,

all the legacy that he could have made, all the legacy that he could have laid down. And now I think he's just fucking chasing it. I'm all about it. 100% all about it. However, talking to 183 pounders is kind of silly. Yeah, but if you say that in an interview, I don't think that's that disrespectful. I don't either.

The way he said it is that one day maybe we're going to fight. Yeah, but then Stylebender, TMZ asked him. They don't know shit about fighting. Like, oh, this guy's big. This guy's big. They're both black. Let's fight. They have no idea. You know tmz asked him they don't know shit about fighting like oh this guy's big this guy's big they're both black let's fight they have no idea you know that's what they think right so then then it gets picked up but then also i think john jones is the hot you know senior in high school and stylebender's the new freshman who's hot and it's like mean girls like fuck that dude it's also i wonder how much of this is like they all agree is good for

business it's entertainment yeah well, it's good for business. Well, look at Conor. Anytime there's a fight, blast something out. Well, not just blast something out. I mean, Conor's real good about that. But the way he's able to turn these shit-talking back and forth into publicity for fights. There is real shit-talking. It is psychological warfare.

But it also hypes people up to no end. Like the Khabib fight. All the craziness that led to that obviously that backfired when khabib tried to fucking attack him after it was over and was it was and it jumped in the crowd and all the other people punched him in the head and all that craziness that has never been bigger yeah look khabib's never been bigger connor's never been bigger and yeah i mean he needs to fight he needs to fight he needs to fight he needs to fight You guys know this I ride Conor's nuts I ride Khabib's nuts

Stylebender's nuts But with Conor I'm like god Hopefully something gets lined up Yeah but what I'm trying to say Is like that shit talking Keeps you relevant It was

Yeah It's worth something It's worth something To both of them Agree Like if Stylebender And Jon Jones Did decide to fight one day

That shit's worth something To both of them Agree Yeah Agree There's a big gap Between 85 and 205 though, man. John's a giant 205-er. John could beat up any heavyweight in the world with these.

Could beat up probably six of them in a night. So to fight a 183-er is weird. Yeah. Well, obviously he wouldn't be 183. If Stylebender was going to do it, I'm sure he'd want to put some weight on. That's such a nightmare. But that's what makes Stylebender special because those guys,

same as Matt Holloway, goes, I'll fight anyone. Yeah, sure. That's what it's all about. But it also, and this is not a knock on Santos or the level of competition, but at 205, there's really nothing there to get excited about. There's just not. You look at the other divisions. Santos is going to be a fun fight.

He's going to be a plus 700, plus 800 underdog. But I like that John's active. I like watching John beat everyone's ass. Yeah. It's one of those things now where you've got to find contenders for John, right? Because no one's really standing out. Rock Hold would be cool at 205. Heavyweight's the place.

Dominic Reyes just beat, who did he beat? Did he fight Volkan Ozdemir? No. Yeah, he did. And I didn't think he beat him. And I'm a Reyes fan, but I don't think he beat Ozdemir. I thought he lost. Yeah, that's what I was going to say.

That was a weird decision. Yeah. So that one is, look, Volkan's a very good fighter, no doubt about it. But you saw what Daniel Cormier did to him. Neither one of them are ready for Jon Jones. Not ready for Jon Jones. They're not even they're not in the same realm right so but we were looking at dominic we were like that kid's really talented super he's got massive potential and i still think he does oh yeah you know so he's a stud he's just gonna get better from this johnny walker

right but that guy might have a blown shoulder let's say he doesn't though if he doesn't he's still four fights away from john j. He might be four fights away. Here's the thing. He might knock four people into another dimension on the way to Jon Jones. Like, guy's something special, man. That's what I'm saying. But you've got to knock those four guys out so he can sell this thing. You do.

He does. I mean, he's put away two top-level guys pretty spectacularly. And, I mean, you look at the way he fights, too. He's loose and weird and then, boom, jumps on you. It's awkward, man. It's so special. Power, dude. Fucking crazy power.

But I think with John, his team's smart. They're going, no, we know heavyweight's there. We're going to clean out 205. Ain't nobody beating us. We're going to clean out so we're considered the greatest of all time. Then we'll go to heavyweight and get paid. Well, you know, they wanted this fight. They thought it would be a good fight with Tiago. i think one of the one of the things that's a good

fight one of the reasons why it's a good fight is tiago can shut anyone's lights out he knows he can shut anyone's lights out that motherfucker throws for the bleacher you used to fight at 70 no 85 i mean 85 right 85 struggled to makeled to make 85 Look he's big He's big He's big A big dude But the fucking power That that guy has Like in the Manoa fight

And he just swings man He swings wild Now John is not going To fight him The way Manoa fought him Yeah I can't touch him You know John is gonna Keep him on the outside

With those kicks And if he decides To clinch him He'll clinch him Wrestle him Take him down John's ground and pound Is horrific

His top game Is off the charts Submissions are everything striking is better elbows are from hell from the top john jones gets on top of you the best you're getting elbow to oblivion and they're coming one after the other after the other after the other but the in the wild exchange where he has to be careful is that that tiago dude tiago santos will swing with everything johnson he will throw it all in there john's not even gonna engage in that you're not gonna see the opportunity i mean that's what makes him so special those guys that go that's where you're one places to win watch this yeah he just cancels it out i don't think that he would

willingly wade into a firefight. But it could happen. But it could happen. That's how you sell a fight, sir. It could happen. See, what John is going to do, if I had to guess, is try to further cement his legacy. He's going to fight the best way he can. He's got great coaches.

They know what the fuck they're doing. He's going to go in there. He's going to kick that dude. If he decides to clinch with him, he's going to have a giant advantage in the wrestling. But he's got to be careful on the way in, man. That dude will swing. He will try to kill you. he swings in a different way he swings like this ain't making it to the

fifth round there's no fifth round he's not even looking to get he's that guy is just every shot he's trying to take the lights out no i'm definitely gonna watch it he's a wild motherfucker man i think this is an interesting fight john jones should be the strong favorite he should be a giant favorite but But it doesn't mean it's not going to be interesting because this dude's style, because he's so fucking wild. The question is going to be

how does he perform? How does he perform when that octagon door shuts and you look over and you see it's Jon Jones? And title fight. And title fight. But I think

one of the reasons why Jon talking shit to Stylebender is one of the pros is we're talking about him, right? Because we probably wouldn't have talking about him right because yeah we probably want to talk about him versus santos on this show if it wasn't happening it keeps him relevant you know he is probably the biggest name in the sport now outside connor the guy who's the

most active him and could be probably the biggest names him talking shit to stylebender i actually think it helps stylebender too right because now he's associated with the greatest of all time he wants to be the greatest of all time. And it's going to get there, and I can't fucking wait. When he goes, all right, I'm ready for heavyweight. Him versus Francis? Dude, what are we going to do? What are we going to do?

Him versus Stipe? Kane? Well, they're probably, if the Brock Lesnar deal doesn't get done, the talk is Stipe versus DC. Because the Brock Lesnar deal doesn't get done, the talk is Stipe versus DC. Because the Brock Lesnar deal is not done. Now, in that whole process. Because Brock lost? No, that's not real.

What? WWE. Fuck. You didn't know? I thought it was real. I'm sorry. Did you see Game of Thrones? I'll give you some more spoilers.

Dude, I did. Bet your sweet ass I did. Don't talk about it. People get angry I know Shut up There are dragons though It's DVRing

Dragons are real They think that DC steep A2 Brock might not fight They don't know Brock has to decide This is something He definitely wants to do

Hey Brock Quit fucking giving us Blue balls And get the fuck in there Get the fuck out He's gotta make the commitment And I know he's been training. He's been training a lot.

Yeah, and he's trained with some high level wrestlers. I hope it happens. Brock, D.C.? Yeah. July? Mm-hmm. What's up? Yeah.

That July card is stacked. You got to be careful with Brock. Remember when he tagged Randy Couture and dropped him and hammer-fisted him into oblivion? Yeah, Randy was 48 years old, but I hear you. I hear you. I hear you. I like how you sell me on these fights. Remember how he smashed Frank Mir? Yeah.

That was terrifying. That was, remember, him and Frank hated each other? And he fucked Frank up. Well, it's because Frank got him with that knee bar, and he tapped, the referee didn't stop it. Dana White says, Steepy Miocic Not Brock Lesnar Next in line

When did this happen? The pre-conference maybe? Oh wow But that's just the headline He goes We don't know what Brock's gonna do But if it doesn't happen It's Stipe

Oh that's just one of them They got us They got you They got us You know better Jamie But it worked See if we can listen to it Clickbaity motherfuckers

They got us. I love Steep Ape. Steep A DC. I'm like, all right. Yeah. Yeah. I need something spicy, man. I get what you're saying, and I get the Brock Lesnar appeal.

I would rather see Steep Ape. Steep Ape. You know why? Because you're a purist, and that's why I like you, but not me. I'm like DePrentice Hilton of MMA. First of all- Not me, sir. Out of respect, because Steep Ape-

I know. He deserves it. He won. He defended the title more than any human being that's ever held it. He's the number one guy in the heavyweight division. So you have to rate him the greatest heavyweight of all time. If you look about accomplishments, he's the greatest UFC heavyweight of all time. DC's not?

In terms of accomplishments. Just because he's done it four times. Okay. You know, DC beat him. accomplishments in terms of accomplishments just because he's done it four times okay you know dc beat him obviously dc is supposed to mean if you if you had to rank him you know like right now like one through ten think about dc's beat roy frank dc's number one because he's the champion and he knocked him out to say he's number two would be silly but to say like the all-time greatest most accomplished heavyweight your boy danis is dc's okay the all-time greatest, most accomplished heavyweight, that's what Stipe is.

Okay. The all-time most accomplished greatest heavyweight is Stipe. You got to take into account. Well, Kane never defended as many times as Stipe did. The question is, did Kane beat the better guys? Did he beat Junior Dos Santos when Junior was young, before he had been through those wars with Kane, right? Because by the time Stipe got him

Junior had been In some wars And Junior has looked Really good lately He looks amazing But you can never Discount that damage No

I'm not saying That he's not as good now I think he's still Phenomenal now But not as good The Bam Bam Tuivasa Fight Knocking out that dude

That dude's tough as shit Man Knocking that motherfucker out And the way he did it He looks good, man. Dude, is JDS Francis an ESPN card? That's not a pay-per-view. I think that's fucking...

Is he ESPN? I think so. We should do a fucking companion. We should do it from around. And he fought Derek Lewis, right? Yeah. Stopped Derek Lewis. Stopped Derek Lewis.

Yeah. Look, Junior Dos Santos still is an amazing fighter. That's up in July card. Ah, fuck. Haters. So, I'm gonna watch it. When Stipe beat him, but you know what? Stipe can knock anybody out like that too. It's hard to say. You know what the problem is with Stipe? The problem

is, DC's fought what, twice since their fight? Stipe's just been chilling. Well, he's been wanting this rematch. I get it, but it's a risky thing when you're a former heavyweight champion and you're going to take a fight when you rightfully deserve a rematch. And what if you get hurt while you're taking this fight? What if you have this fight and you get hurt, and then you have knee surgery, and then you're out for another year,

and then DC loses it and DC retires? He wants to fight him again. And the way to fight him again is to hold out. To hold out this whole time? I don't know, man. Obviously, retires. He wants to fight him again and the way to fight him again is to hold out. To hold out this whole time? I don't know, man. Obviously, the UFC... He wants to fight DC again.

That's the way. It seems... Well, now, in hindsight, because Lesnar's not happening and Jon Jones is not going to heavyweight, but he's the third choice in all this. Well, I thought... Fuck waiting for that.

I thought it was very interesting that Jon said that to Stipe. How weird is that? I don't think it's weird. I think it's the same thing. The same thing we do with Stylebender. He's just fucking with everybody. He's getting his name out there.

He's learning from Conor. See, I think there's more to it. What? I think UFC was fishing and went, hey, you down to fight Stipe? And John went, yeah, fuck up, Stipe. And they went, Stipe, you down to fight Johnny? Yeah, fuck up, John. I think there's more to it.

You think so? Yeah. What makes you say that? I don't know. reason at all maybe they did have some preliminary discussions as to whether or not the two would engage in fisticuffs maybe they did that's a great fight it's a great fight Steve Bate deserves it 100% he deserves big fights man look the guy doesn't deserve to be forgotten no not at all but again Francis Ngannou fight was one of the most impressive heavyweight title defenses. Because Francis was on fire.

He was so dangerous. Do they have Francis ranked ahead of him now? Just be disrespectful. But Francis has done work. Stipe's got to be the number one contender. No. What? Be decent.

Stipe's number one? Yeah. Come on, man. You have to be, right? Have to be. You never know with rankings. Have to's. Stipe's number one? Yeah. Come on, man. It has to be, right? It has to be. You never know with rankings. It has to be. It has to be.

France number two. Stipe and Francis. Yeah. Stipe beat Francis. It's that simple. Stipe beat Junior. It's that simple. I mean, come on, man.

Dude, Francis Dos Santos. Oh, my God. Dude. I can't believe that's even happening. Boy, he gets dicey down that heavyweight. even happening Boy it gets dicey Down that heavyweight After six It gets Dicey

Look man Francis There's only 15 heavyweights In the world Francis with takedown defense Francis with An understanding Of what it's like

To fight five rounds And Francis With a little bit More experience And good Dude him Dos Santos Fucking luck

Stipe booked a Jiu Jitsu match i saw did he really against who dude imagine you blow your knee out in a jujitsu match and you can't fight for the title those jujitsu matches are backfiring you trust me they're rough man and those big dudes want to fuck you up so depends who he's going against right fight that's true fight to win 110 in cleveland who's he and please don't say it's a leg lock he Please don't say It's a leg lock guy Please don't say It's a leg lock guy Oh no

Or Cyborg Cyborg will rip your legs apart Or Gordon Ryan Gordon Ryan can't really Do that right now right Or Gary Tonin Gordon Ryan just Tore his knee

No there's no info On his opponent Oh okay That's cause he's probably Booking a fight He's like see ya Dude your boy Ben Askren is fighting

Yeah but The fucking Not fighting Masvidal He's fighting Masvidal booking a fight. He's like, see ya. Dude, your boy Ben Askren is fighting. Yeah, but... The fucking... Not fighting. Masvidal. He's fighting Masvidal, but I'm saying he's doing a wrestling match with Jordan Burroughs, right? Yes. Isn't that crazy? God, man.

That's like May 6th, I think. You know, if Ben Askren can really hang with Jordan Burroughs still... Dude. Yeah. Insane. Because everybody who rolls with him, I've never even clinched with him, but everybody who's done everything with him,

the closest I came to a clinch is like, that hug you do when you bro hug a dude. Get the over under a little bit just to feel it out. But they say that it's like he's got four arms. They say, dude, it's ridiculous. Dean Thomas was telling me. Dean Thomas was saying, dude, it's ridiculous. It doesn't even make sense.

Wally Waps, world champions, we all know. Yeah, just ragdolls, people. That's how good his wrestling is. I mean, if you see that fight with Robbie Lawler, the fucking bombs that guy took. It's fucked up early, man. He still figured out a way to get a hold of Robbie Lawler's neck. He still figured out a way to get him into that headlock.

And Robbie knew he wanted to clinch with him. He couldn't keep him off. I was sweating in that fight because you and I hyped him up so much. I was like, oh, please don't get starched in the first round. It's still a super controversial ending to me. You had Herb on. What did he say? Well, Herb said that, first of all,

Herb Dean is the shit. Nice guy. Couldn't be nicer. Great guy. But I love but i love his perspective so laid back and his ego is so healthy like when he talks about things like you don't see any it's very reasoned like the way he approaches things but he's just like chilled out and he's like very self-deprecating and chilled out about it but he had a very good point he's like that's not just a manipulation of the neck like in terms of like cutting off the carotid artery he's like this is a manipulation of the spine it's like a bit of a neck crank and you think about that he was talking about like you look how he's got a hold of the head and how he goes

the real what i'm concerned with is if someone's going unconscious from from some nerve shit oh wow yeah like from a neck crank like apparently he had seen a guy who had got neck cranked like that and then afterwards the guy couldn't walk he like couldn't move it came back but for moments but for moments he couldn't move he's this is shit we don't even think about i'm like exactly yeah exactly that's why he's herb dean he's the gold standard he's the gold standard it's Big John McCarthy and him And Big John doesn't do it anymore So it's Herb Dean So it's Herb Dean Numero uno

And just that When you think about And Askren says What he says is that See that's nasty dude That looks terrible That's nasty With the way he's holding on

To the head like that And cranking your neck I like that they're not Rematching It's a very bad position I like that UFC went Oh alright we're good Yeah

I dig that I get it I want to see it again I disagree I like that they're not rematching. It's a very bad position. I like that UFC went, oh, all right, we're good. Yeah. I dig that. I get it. I want to see it again. I disagree. I think that I agree with Herb's stoppage, and I see that the arm went limp, but then the thumb came up. But then as soon as he let go, Robbie jumped up. Usman had me convinced that Robbie was never out.

Robbie jumped up. Usman had me convinced that Robbie was never out. But Herb had me convinced that it was too dangerous for him to allow it to continue once the arm dropped in that weird way. So do you side with Herb? You have to side with Herb. Yeah. In that situation. He's the expert. You have to side with Herb.

Because he's right. Because that is a special circumstance. See, I looked at it in terms of, and I didn't even consider this when I was talking to Usman, that I looked at it in terms of, it's just a choke. Yeah was talking to usman that i looked at it in terms of it's just a choke yeah and her no it's a neck crank me too so but still i'd love to see it again i'd like to see it next so so if they if they both win because askin masvidal i know that doesn't get your dick hard no askin masvidal is wild and then let's say askin wins that which is tough fight to win that's a tough and then say uh woodley then let's say Askren wins that, which is a tough fight to win. That's a tough fight. And then say Woodley and Lawler say Lawler wins that. Then they fight.

It's even bigger. Woodley versus Lawler, though. That's a tall order. Yes. You know, after Woodley knocked him out. Well, it's a tall order for both of them. For both fights. It's a tough fight.

For both fighters. It's a tough fight to call either way. Yeah. I'm really interested to see how Woodley bounces back. But he's been saying all the right things. I love Woodley. I love Woodley, too. And one of the things that I love that he said,

he said he didn't realize the value of the title until it was gone, and now he really understands it. I mean, I just think he really understands it now that it's not there anymore. He's not the champ anymore. And to get beaten in a, it's not like a fight. You could make a rematch with Kelvin and Stylebender in six months. True.

Back and forth. Yeah, you can make that rematch. Kelvin knocked him down. Kelvin hurt him. That wasn't that kind of fight. No. Usman looked so good. Different fight.

Usman looked spectacular. Former champions Tyron Woodley and Robbie Law are to meet in UFC main event. Yeah. Yeah, that's what we're talking about. It's booked somewhere. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's booked. Yeah, it's booked.

Yeah. Yeah, that's what we're talking about. I thought it was booked somewhere. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's booked. Yeah, it's booked. Yeah. Yeah, that's what we're talking about. Signed, sealed, delivered. Minneapolis, right? Yeah. Yeah, no. I'm not going to be there for that one. It's a fight night.

Yeah. June 29th, Target Center. That's a hell of a fight. Imagine that. That's a fight night. Two former world champions. And, bro, Robbie Lawler physically in that last fight. He looked so good.

Shredded. He said he had this crazy strength and conditioning program. Super motivated, you know? Dude, we haven't talked about this on air. We talked a little bit at the comedy store. How about your boy TJ Dillashaw? It's not good. Both our boys.

Yeah, it's not good. Did you see his apology? Yeah, I did. What'd you think? Well, I mean, at least he's just straight up admitting it. I think that's what you have to do because then you're kind of like,

yeah, I fucked up. Then people can't really come at you. Yeah, I mean, he's being honest about it. And, oh, I do have to correct something. Someone wrote an article that said that Cody Garbrandt found out that TJ tested positive for his fight, too, and Cody went crazy. I think I got duped by a clickbaity article. No, we all got duped. Everyone thought that.

I think somebody got us with a clickbaity article. But everyone did. But I should have been more responsible so my apologies to tj so they have i don't think there's a been another one that they tested him on that he's positive but they're looking into it now here's the thing well we have to this is something that i know um epo is not always tested for correct and you see dana what'd he say because you saw it as expensive as fuck he goes hold on you guys aren't he he didn't know he goes you guys aren't tested for epo every time we pay this much Correct. Did you see Dana? What'd he say? Because USADA's expensive as fuck. He goes, hold on. You guys aren't, he didn't know.

He goes, you guys aren't testing for EPO every time. We pay this much money for you numbnuts to show up, guys, at three in the morning and test them. You're not testing every time and we pay this much. He goes, I had no idea. Yeah. Well, time to cancel USADA. Thanks, boys. Thanks, boys.

Thanks for playing. See ya. Everything's been looking good. Jeff, take it from here. Come back. Be cool, bro. Yeah. Next thing you know, ya. Everything's been looking good. Jeff, take it from here. Come back. Be cool, bro. Yeah, next thing you know, everybody's back

looking thick and juicy. Now, but I guess what they're going to do is they're going to go back and see if they still have the samples for when he did beat Cody and test those for EPO. Well, this is what you and I were talking about when we were at the store and we were like, how far do we go

back? Dude, I'm telling you, Joe, you don't want to go down that road, man. Test them all. You're crazy. Test them all.

Let's find out what's real. Why? Why do you want to do that? Test them all. You're crazy, dude. You can't do it. You're going to ruin the foundations of the UFC.

This is an intellectual exercise. I don't really want you to test them all. Yeah. But, if I was going to argue, I'd say test them all. I think.

Line it up. Let's find out what's up. We've always wondered. Have we? Not me. I've never wondered. You want to test Forrest Griffin and Stephen Bonner, UFC? Test them all.

The fight that catapulted the freaking UFC? But then again, test all the football players. Test all the baseball players Test all the baseball Test everyone Everyone's feelings are going to be hurt Did you watch Screwball? Did you watch Screwball? No I haven't

Holy shit is it good The Billy Corbin documentary Yeah Do you know what they did? Yeah They had little kids Play A-Rod Play the actors

It's crazy right It's hilarious I know the story The story's nuts Because it's in the people Who are actually there Narrating it They're telling the story.

And they got these little kids playing A-Rod and playing the- It's brilliant. It's fucking great, man. It's a crazy story, though. It's a crazy story. I feel bad for TJ, man. You know what, man? When everybody makes an agreement to not cheat-

Oh, come on. And they're testing you all the time to try to make sure that you're not cheating. Don't you think that the environment's different now than it was before USADA was initiated? And don't you think that's a good thing? I'm putting words in your mouth. Notice how I phrased that question? Yeah, I know. I was like, come on, Fox News or something.

Politician, I know. Thanks. No, you're right. It is better overall for the purity of the sport. I think it's better. But I still assume guys are going to figure out a way to cheat. Yeah. Because PEDs in sports is no different than a referee or a judge or gloves.

They go hand in hand. People have always done PEDs or enhancements in every aspect, whether it's football, basketball, music, surfing, sex. It's just what humans do especially when the odds are so high that this little thing can help you achieve maybe it gets you a victory but you know and then also with with tj dillashaw's thing granted we know epo is illegal but this is this one's a little different If you tested positive for like steroids or whatever Like straight up steroids Because if you and I engage in a fight And we have eight weeks of training

And you go to Mount Everest Or where the fuck you want to get your red blood cells higher And then fight me back at sea level But I just stay here and inject those red cells You know? The difference is that If you operate at sea level and you're taking epo you will be able to work much harder and get more rounds in and you will recover much better

if you are up at altitude the problem is living and training really at high altitude you can't put out as much output but the night of the fight we're gonna have the to have the same. No. Why? The EPO will have more. Way more? Yeah. Not even close. No, you could have a stroke from that stuff. Not if you do it right. Depends on how much you're taking.

Yeah. That was one of the things Nowitzki was telling me about were young cyclists. It's thick. That were just having strokes. Well, your boy, I think it was Lance Armstrong. Maybe he's on your show, but he would wake up in the middle of the night and have to ride a bike because his blood was so thick. No, no, no.

That was my friend Salami Do I know Salami No I'll explain Okay But you know what I'm saying Like You can't chill for long

He was a bike racer You'd have to wake up In the middle of the night And ride your bike I think Lance did discuss How guys would do that I think that's where I got it Yeah

It's been We've talked about it Maybe Lance did Did Lance talk about Having to get up in the middle of the night Or did you and I talk about this Did I talk about getting up In the middle of the night? Or did you and I talk about this? Did I talk about getting up in the middle of the night riding a bike? No.

I'm just kidding. No. I'm just kidding. But anyway, obviously, look, with the Lance Armstrong thing, I feel like everyone was doing it. And you don't think- Everyone was doing it. You think TJ's the only one?

No. I think other people are taking EPO and they're hoping they don't get caught. That's what I think. I think it's still cheating. Correct. And I don't think everybody's doing that. I think there's a lot of guys who are doing it honorably. I agree.

Most guys are doing it honorably. I think you could get it in your mind. Look, it just is what to take from Max Holloway, it is what it is, right? It is what it is. It is what it is. It's cheating, right? He would – TJ would admit that, I'm sure. He did admit it, yeah.

Yeah, he did. That's what it is. But, I mean, I don't even know if I have a point. I don't know if I do either. But it's – the guy's trying to – I was going to say the guy's trying to provide for his family, but so is everybody else. So is Cody Garbrandt. So is Cody Garbrandt. So is Henry Cejudo.

So is everybody. Everybody he fights. But I would like to sit down with TJ. I've reached out to him since he's been suspended. I want to sit down with him and say, why did you do it? What led you to this? Because his cardio has been great since he was a child with his, with his wrestling background.

At what point along the way, was it six years ago, six fights ago? Did you think you need to do this in order to beat these guys? Well, let's, we could look at one thing that we know that he's been doing. He has a rigorous strength and conditioning program,

that training, that strength and conditioning program that training lab that strength and conditioning program that he's doing yeah i have an issue with that i i understand your issue but that shit is off the charts crazy difficult they're doing wild stuff and medicine ball work and plyometrics and all this stuff and tj looks like a fucking beast when he's doing it have you seen brian ortega's workout with with his with mike yeah they do crazy shit too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I mean, I'm not justifying it. But what I'm saying is that in order to do that kind of work,

like to put out that kind of pace, your body's going to have to have some time to recover in between workouts. Well, if you take EPO, that time of recovery is diminished quite a bit, according to Nowitzki. You're saying it allows guys to put in more work so it doesn't just give you more cardio it allows you to recover faster so you could train harder and you know as well as anybody that sometimes the difference between victory and defeat is just having a little more in your gas tank just having especially at that a little

longer camp not being injured The last couple of weeks We lost some cardio You know those awful feelings Well if you had The opposite of those awful feelings Of not Instead of being compromised Being enhanced

It's gonna help your hair too It's gonna help you mentally Yeah exactly It's gonna help your head You're gonna come in there Like a fucking champion To that What's that song

He always comes into Oh Give it away Give it away now Is that what he comes in for Oh no he comes in He comes in Red Hot Chili no, he comes in, he comes in with Red Hot Chili Peppers.

Oh, does he really? I always forget guys, the only guy whose walkout music I always remember, two, two,

one was of course Matt Hughes because he'd come out to Country Boy Can't Survive. Country Boy, yeah. That fucking song. Who's the other?

Randy Couture when he came out To Stranglehold Oh interesting Not Anderson Silva DMX Oh that's right That shit was fire

That was scary Mickey Gall's got The best one though What do you think Oh Mickey You're so fine You're so fine You took my mind

I don't like that one Come on man Wonder Boy's got a good one What's Wonder Boy's It's a Tenacious D song It's called Wonder Boy Oh is it really Oh that's pretty dope The words are like Wonder Boy's got a good one. What's Wonder Boy's? It's a Tenacious D song. It's called Wonder Boy. Oh, is it really? That's pretty dope.

The words are like, Wonder Boy, what is the secret of your powers? Oh, that's awesome. Who came out to the Game of Thrones song, though? Someone came out to Game of Thrones. That's pretty gangster. It's a little boring, but you know shit's about to go down. But it's still something special. Did you see D'Elia, that fuckingork With his shirt off God Doing an air violin

To Game of Thrones Fully committed Fully committed I was like What are you doing He's so silly He's so fucking silly He's so silly man

Do you think I was thinking about TJ Do you think two years Is good enough It's a good question I think it is Two years Without income

It's a good question But here's the question What are they gonna do What if they decide What if Cody Demands that they test His sample for EPO That's a good question without income? But here's the question. What are they going to do? What if they decide, what if Cody demands that they test his sample for EPO? That's a good question.

So let's say they can test that. This might have already happened and we don't know. You'll know before me. So let's say that they go back and test the two fights with Cody that he beat him. So let's say both test spots for EPO.

I don't think they will, but let's say they did. That's three brother that's the three strike rule you're out for life man can they go back that far and do it i mean this would be stressed this would be the best argument for getting rid of uh novitsky says dillashaw was tested for EPO In both fights against Cody Garbrandt Results came back negative Okay So

So he's good But they could go back to But go ahead and go Because if he didn't do it during Cody Garbrandt fights Come on dude How long has he been training at the training lab Was the first Cody Garbrandt fight when he was out of Denver Was he at He was switching time and then moved here training at the training lab? Was the first Cody Garbrandt fight when he was out of Denver?

He was switching time and then moved here permanently because of the training lab. But also, which was the first fight? Was it the Cody Garbrandt fight? I'm pretty sure. The first Cody Garbrandt. The first one. But also, at 125, it makes sense you do EPO because cutting that weight, 125, Henry's going to have more. No energy when he's trying to train

Yeah Yeah Because you're wrecked So that would make more sense That does make sense They tested hot for it one time Yeah And he was like

Fuck 125 And he was like Fuck 125 Fuck That's awful Awful Oof Still

Before this first fight with What's that? Before UFC 217 The Madison Square Garden fight Okay So that's it Yeah So that's when they started

Training together That makes sense When he would do it right Yep Makes sense Because he's trying to get down To an ungodly weight Dude he looked so bad

When he was walking around that day Shredded city The day But no no It was more than that It was Skeletor style That's why I'm talking Shredded like an Ethiopian kid

If it was more like Like someone who was starving Yes It was like his face was so sucked in. I was worried about that. I was like, this just doesn't look good. He looks so sick. He looks like an ultra marathon runner, like one of those crazy dudes who's just doing one every weekend.

God, I need to get like that. What is the one on the bottom? 135. 135? Wow, he looks so much bigger. That's crazy, the difference in the amount of muscle he carries on like his body eight muscle what a nightmare what a bad decision go to 125 well and also to do it where he wasn't draining himself that much because he got down to like 135 naturally this is what bothers me last 10 that training lab how and

they have to do a safe face i get it they but tj came on my show and he's talked about other interviews saying how they did blood work every day and testing everything you're telling me that when you insert fucking epo no one had any idea you're doing yourself and this is the other alarming thing epo is not a gateway drug it's not like marijuana the drug it's not gateway pds that's some black belt level shit is it yeah talk your boy lance about it you just don't start with epo that's some high level shit man because think about your blood thickens you got to run tests right you wouldn't want to start with like some anivar yeah a little quick wind straw what's up baby look at the traps coming in

son it's just dope i'm only four weeks in. Yeah. Like, EPO's some serious shit, man. That is serious. That's a very good point. Now, maybe someone came to him and was like, dude, better cardiac 125. EPO's the way to go. And I know how to do this. Let's go down this road. Who do you think's going to be the first dude to come along with gene editing?

Might be Yoel Romero. You might have heard of him. You probably did. Just a Cuban experiment. Just some fucking crazy science project. God. He never gets old. might be yo ramero he might have heard there he really did it just a cuban experiment just some fucking crazy science project god he never gets old he's a ninja turtle he looks exactly the same yeah what is happening here yeah he doesn't age like a normal person probably some chinese dude but what yeah one day they're gonna deal with that one day there's going to be a person who shows up who is ridiculously jacked that never gets tired and as fast as everyone's fucked and everyone's fucked if they figure out

a way i mean how much can they manipulate cardio when you're when you have big muscles that's what we're going to find out we're going to find out if there's like a point where you can't like the the physical structure won't hold any more muscle and you can't get any more oxygen through it. You only get to a diminishing point of returns, you know? What are you going to do then? I don't know. China would be the first one. China, for sure.

For sure. Or Russia. Jack Chinese, dude. Russia doesn't need it. They're a great bigonary. They think they might have already done something like that with Corellon. Did you ever see Corellon and his parents? No. The crazy conspiracy theory was always that corellon who was one of the most feared

wrestlers if not the most feared wrestler ever who just would take 300 pound men and hoist him through the air and he moved like a panther and he's a big giant guy panther his parents were small they're little tiny folk weird oh dude they called him the experiment there's a picture of him i think it was Sports Illustrated. One of those sports magazines where he's got his hand on his mom and his dad. They're like, he's children, bro. He's a giant. He might just be a freak, though.

Might be a freak. There's that. Might be. I don't think Shaq's parents are big. Dude. Holy. Oh. That's him with Fedor.

Oh, my God. Dude, I am telling you. Dude, he's a gigantite. Go to that black and white photo Of him looking ferocious There's a Look at the picture of him Right there with the shirt

Right there Click on that one Click on that one Holy Fuck Bro Listen to me Oh he has giantism

Look at his chin dude Bro He's got more than that dude He's got more than that He's got more than that How big is he He's not He's fucking huge man

Look at that picture with him. That's him right there. Look at that, bro. He would pick dudes up and they would go for a motherfucking ride. Guys would try to flatten out and lay their whole body on the ground in hopes that he couldn't pick them up. He would clinch his hands underneath their belly, hoist them up in the air like a fucking pillowcase, smash them on the ground he's the guy our american beat yes the fat guy who lost all lost his toes in the winter yeah roulon gardner yes yes yeah did you have him on here no i never had but i would but roulon gardner beat him in the twilight of his career does not take anything away from roulon but it only beat

him by a point because he made uh correll and his hands. It was a sumo match, basically. It was a controversial new rule. It was like a controversial new changing in point system. Look at Rulon. I believe I'm calling that correctly. Look at Rulon. Make sure I'm calling that correctly. Like how Rulon Gardner.

Yeah, that Russian. That's fucking right. Dude, he was so scary. Dude, he's jacked. He was so scary. And he had one, I think he had a fixed fight in Japan. It looked like a work. You know, like they do those.

Oh, yeah. They used to do those in Japan. They still do. Yeah. It looked like he had. Tension and fucking Floyd was fixed. What? You think it was real?

100%. Oh, Joe. You want to watch again? We can. Why do you think it was fixed? Come on. Do you watch it? Yeah.

I just think it's some bullshit. No, it was a guy who's a legitimate 155-pound man who is fighting a dude who fights- Do you see Tension crying and rolling around on the ground? Dude who fights at 126. Yeah, it doesn't make any sense. Who's never had a professional boxing match. How crazy is that? Who's fighting against the greatest boxer of all time.

Listen to what you're saying. He's so small. It wasn't fixed. And Tension's their fucking poster boy. Yeah. And they're like, yeah, here's Floyd Mayweather, dude. I don't think they thought he was going to knock him out. Really?

Tension's a beast, man. He's a beast. But when it comes to boxing. I understand that. But they were really thinking he could hit him. This was the thought. Was that Tension is really a striking genius. Have you never seen him?

So is Conor McGregor. Well, no, no. But it's different. Tension is faster. It's smaller. I mean, he moves like a lightning bolt. And in Japan, the fact that this kid's only like 18 or 19 years old. It's crazy.

And been fucking people up, including knocking out world Muay Thai champions. So they threw him to the wolves real early on. Okay, let's watch this. And tell me why you think this is fake. I see a dude who's so much smaller than Floyd. Look how little he is. Way smaller. He's way smaller.

Floyd is not even remotely nervous. He's not remotely nervous. This kid is a fantastic kickboxer. Look at Floyd laughing. Yes, of course. Remember, he didn't even do this to Connor. Right, but of course,or can knock him out. This guy can't knock him out.

He's supposed to be the next big thing. Dude, he's a great kickboxer, but he's not kickboxing. He's boxing. You're not going to outbox Floyd Mayweather when you've never had a professional boxing match. At least I don't think he has. He's had a lot of kickboxing, though. And in kickboxing, he's fucking amazing. But he's also amazing against guys that are 126 pounds.

That's so 18. Dude, look how small he is compared to Floyd. Floyd's tiny. And look how easily Floyd blocks those punches. And he's not feeling any danger. So he just tries to put it on this kid. He's walking him down. He's walking him down.

Looking for an opening. This is the first round. Why would he wait? Boom, he cracks him. Why would you wait? Cracks him? He just cracks him. That was a crack? Back it up. Back it up. Let's watch it again wait? Boom, he cracks him. Why would you wait? Cracks him? That was a crack? You don't think? Back it up. Back it up. Let's watch it again.

Back it up. Let's watch it again. Dude, he cracked him. Watch this. Right there. Here it goes. Let it roll from here. Gets him in his corner. He hit him with a left hook to the temple. You don't see that left hook to the temple? Watch one more time. Pank. Right there. Thank you. He fucking cracked a dude who's a legit 30 pounds lighter than him on the temple and

dropped him. How dare you? You just watched it. Cracked? You just watched it. Dude, that is a full on left hook. First of all, there was a stumble in there as well. But he hit him.

See the stumble after he got rocked? Dude, that's a tough one, Joe. It's not tough at all. I don's a tough one no it's not tough at all it's not tough at all the kid gets up he got wobbled they give him a standing eight count he looks nervous as fuck he looks over he's got stung man you're fucking crazy he got stung and now floyd moves in and the kid's even trying to fire back he's just not good enough man floyd standing right in front of him with his fucking hands up the kid's got no to fire back he's just not good enough man floyd's standing right in front of him with his fucking hands up the kid's got no chance he's much smaller no experience against a guy as

good as floyd and floyd's walking him down with his hand this is real man this is real that kid's trying to hurt him he just can't do it he's fighting the best ever and then boom come on son that was real that was no all of it's real That first one didn't look legit. You should know. We've all seen guys get hit with shit that didn't look like much and they go down. We've all seen it. We've all seen guys get touched on the chin and they fall down. Like Floyd. Look at this.

Do you remember Travis Luter versus Marvin Eastman? Yes. Do you remember that? A lot of people said that was fixed. They're like, that's fake. No one gets hit with a punch like that. No, no, no. Sometimes you come into a fight compromised.

Look, this is 100% legit. One, two, right on the fucking head and he falls down. Dude, this is 100% a legit fight. This kid got fucked up by the best boxer of all time. He's 126 pounds. None of this made any sense in the first place. Zero sense. But you got to admit, that's a real fight.

That looked pretty legit. I'll give you that. It you gotta admit that's a real fight That looked pretty legit I'll give you that It's real That's a real goddamn fight That first one That first one was questionable The next two were great though No it wasn't questionable at all

Well I'm just saying For the argument For my first one it looked questionable To me If you watch the whole thing play out In slow motion What happens is you see a left hook That was easy work for Floyd

And then you see a stumble And Floyd moves in And their legs tangle up a little bit And then Floyd Hits him with a right hand When he's on his way down Floyd fucked that dude up That's all that happened

Did you see Manny Pacquiao Signed with him now? Does he have a mouthpiece in now? Or is that One of those real tiny He probably took it out I mean the whole fight That I was watching that video

Didn't look like he had one in He probably didn't even Want to wear a mouthpiece Fuck your mouthpiece You fight in Japan I'll let you do whatever you want This was a This was. Fuck your mouthpiece. You fight in Japan. Well, think about it. This was in a sanctioned fight. Dude.

Exhibition. No mouthpiece. Oh, yeah. He don't need a mouthpiece, son. Dude, they let Dos Caros. Remember that dude? That suspect. That dude who wore the, what was the guy's name, that wore the wrestling mask when he

fought Crow Cop. Oh, God. The best Crow Cop KOs of all time like a scene from a movie dos caros is that who it was i'm trying to remember his name but anyway crow cop hits this dude with the perfect left high kick shin to the dome the guy goes down like he got shot and blood starts leaking under what the fuck was he he thinking? Dos Caros, that's it. But when he lands his kick, dude, the end is so crazy.

It's like a scene in a movie. Like a Quentin Tarantino movie. Some dude who is a pro wrestler who decides to fight one of the best kickboxers of all time to ever enter into MMA. Boom! Now watch this.

Watch when they focus in on homeboy. When he's down, the blood... Let me see this. It ended. During Pride, when it ended, the dude is sitting there. You see blood trickling out from underneath the mask. He shinned him. Dude, how about Crokeup had to retire?

I think it was something in his neck or his heart. He had to retire, though. What was it? He had a health heart. He had to retire, though. What was it? He had a health scare. Oh, Jesus. He had like a small heart attack, I think. Is that right, Jamie?

Some health concern. Stroke. Yeah. He had to retire. He woke up on a stroke? Yeah, the thing with Whitaker, too, I was trying to bring it up, but you guys were going too fast. He had an abscess on his, not a torn rectum, but it's in the same area. And then because he was taking

antibiotics for that he got chicken pox god oh my god which once he had that his whole team was like you're not fighting he still kind of wanted to but jesus christ such a monster so he had a cyst in his rectum he had the hernia and then an abscess in your rectum it's like a muscle tear like oh it's like a pus pocket thing. But probably from some sort of an injury, right? You can get it from a lot of different things. Have you ever had a hemorrhoid? Yeah.

They're awful. Nasty. Awful. Why does Preparation H work so well? It doesn't work that way. If you have a serious one, it don't give a fuck. Oh, man. I've had like a grape one.

No, I didn't let it go. I did like deadlifts or something it went let's not do that and flared up the size of a small grape yeah they get gross oh my god ari bleeds every time he shits still yep that can't be ill gotta be bad all right i mean have you had one jamie yeah once but i just the picture in ari's he's like shows pictures of just like yeah just lots of them yeah he sends you those i love aries text about her tweet about uh game of thrones spoiler fuck you i'm gonna i want to talk about it yeah stay offline that's what i say what happens stay offline love game of thrones

yeah it was pretty dope last night how i mean we can't give away any spoilers but how good are those goddamn special effects they're good good. Fucking dragons, man. There was a lot to get this episode. They had to tie everything together, so it's slow. So if you're new to it, yeah, cut the shit. Get the White Walkers fighting now. They also need, let's be honest, you can't do this all in eight more episodes. You're lying to us.

They're going to, though. That was only five. I thought it was only six total. I could be way wrong, but they're longer, though and then it's a fuck up that was only five i thought it was only six total i could be way wrong but they're longer too they're like the last two are 80 minutes i think this first one's the shortest one right and then it's it's i thought it was eight isn't it crazy that the show is the most popular show in the world and they're gonna stop it i wonder what they're just like we're good like the whole thing you always want if you're in show business is to have the most popular show in the world.

But it's good to go out, right? It's good to go out. But I mean, you know how hard it is to get the most popular fiction show and one of the greatest fiction shows, if not the greatest ever, and you're there in the peak of it. How many people are watching it?

How many watched last night, do you think? 17.7. Yeah, there's only six episodes this year episodes do you know how crazy that is 17.7 million people watch something on hbo that's crazy you know what that would be like if it was fox if it was i was just thinking like roseanne was like 40 million charts it would be off the charts because everybody has regular channels yeah but everybody doesn't have h, especially today with Netflix and all these different Dude, how many people would watch it if it was on YouTube? Oh, my God.

But would you watch it on your TV on YouTube? Yeah, I watch it all the time on my TV on YouTube. Do you have an app you use? Yeah. Do you use it for Apple TV? Well, no. I have Dish. I can just go to channel 372 and it's YouTube.

Oh, right. And I click and watch all my shows. 372 on DirecTV is YouTube? No, Dish. On Dish. I can just go to channel 372 and it's YouTube. And I click and watch all my shows. 372 on DirecTV is YouTube? Dish. On Dish. It might be 371 is Netflix. It's amazing that there's only one, right? Like there's Vimeo, but like YouTube in terms of like how much content is online.

They have a big competitor that not a lot of people talk about. What's that? Porn Hub. For real though. No, they do. Oh, yeah. There's a lot of people that have had to move and they put their content on there whether or not they're doing like there's tits out or whatever too but a lot just uncensored and like there are people actually making money on there also it's with ads you're up again yeah but probably nowhere

oh i don't know i don't know how many users are on you porn a ton there's a lot of guys on there so they're on the both websites, though. When is VR porn going to really start taking off? When those headsets don't become so cumbersome to wear. Yeah. You can't jerk off of the backpack. Oh, my God. Attached to a wall with a cord. You just won't be able to relax.

You know? You won't be able to relax. That brain tracking thing, though, would be Would be an interesting While you're beating off You want to find out What's happening Meanwhile Jamie's just thinking About like animal attacks Well

That's your issue Hold on No it's Jamie Do we know how many You can't even say users really But how many users Does YouTube have Compared to everyone

It's not even close Right You don't even have to have An account to go watch a video No You don't to sign log in or nothing that's really a crazy business model right they figured out some wild thing let people just stream shit and the the thing about it is that there's no one else like it like where the fuck are the next ones there's nothing even close i'll say this too like i've never just go back to the the fights i've swear swear on my life i've never done a legal stream ever because i was thinking i was taken

away from the fighters don't want to fuck them over right and when i couldn't figure it out and i thought i might have to do that i got probably 2 000 dms of links and i and i'm just thinking like this is how people watch the fights now. It's a real problem. I was in a coffee shop before I came here and the guys were fight fans and listened to my shows and they go, man what did you think of the fights? I went, yeah good. How did you guys watch

it? And it's four young guys and they go, come on man, we're not paying 80 bucks. I went, you're just a league streamer. I went, tons of people are doing that. But I think it's actually people are doing that But I think it's actually Good for the fighters I think it's good It's good for their popularity

For sure And that's all they care about Because the UFC's gonna pay them A finite number No matter what Yeah And it's probably also good For the sport that way too

Because more people see it More people see how awesome it is The more people that saw That last fight The more people are gonna recognize How At the very best level How fucking exciting

this because think about espn plus and when you have to buy the pay-per-view you're limiting how many people can see that by behind these paywalls right so with these illegal strings at least for the fighter's sake everyone can see these great matchups yeah i knew i know what you're saying you know like i'm always torn i'm always because, because I don't want the UFC to shut down. I love the UFC. Love the fucking UFC. I don't want it to do bad. I hope these numbers do great. But when I see what I had to go through as a diehard fan, like, my dad was like, oh,

I'm out. Nope, I'm not doing it. I'm like, come on, man. He's like, no, too much. So I'm wondering how many people did that. I'm sure quite a few. But that's, you know, it is what it is. There's nothing to cite Max Holloway again. There's, you know, it is what it is. There's nothing to site max hallway again.

There's nothing you can do. Those streams are legit. They're going to fix it when the day's over. Yeah, the streams are going to exist. There's nothing they can do, really. They got to make it easy for people to just get it, make it easier. And once they make it easier, once everybody's set up, I think the numbers will go up. I think most people don't want to go through the hassle of going through a stream and putting it on their television.

Most people just want to be able to tune in correct and if you can get that espn plus on everything that's the other problem right if you have like direct tv and that's the only way your tv set up your tv is not set up for the internet correct so then what do you do you know what if your internet's not strong enough to stream it even with all that but then yeah if you're not that's a problem that's for everything yeah but but that's for a fight but now if you're 18 to 36 80 and let's say you just you're struggling to get by 80 is a lot of money it's 80 for the whole year though the whole year of espn plus and the fight so hold up yeah it's not 80 for all the pay-per-views No No No sir No no no

No for ESPN Plus A membership for a year Correct But if you want to see the pay-per-views Right Then it's You got to pay $80 Yeah

But How much would a year cost Of ESPN Plus $60 $60 So For $79 You get the fight

And a year of ESPN Plus Not pay-per-views Not pay-per-views No And there's 10 pay-per-views You just get all the fights All the fight nights a year of ESPN+. Not pay-per-views. Not pay-per-views. And there's 10 pay-per-views. You just get all the fights, all the fight nights, every fight that has happened. I wonder if you get the ESPN fights as well as the ESPN Plus fights. Yes.

Do you? Yeah, you do. Of course they would do that. Why wouldn't they do that? So if there's 10 pay-per-views and they're $80, that'd be another. The $80 was just for the one deal. Just for the one. But they can do it again.

They might have other deals. You might get to buy two for one in the future. Who knows what they can do. There's a lot of content on there now, too, because they put the pay-per-views up there. They put a bunch of pay-per-views up there, like the older fights. Like Fight Passy. Fight Pass. On ESPN Plus?

Yeah. They put the old fights on there? Yeah. Yeah, you can watch some old fights UFC Fight Pass just over then I don't know What are you going to do with it? There's other stuff on the Fight Pass

That's not That you can't get on ESPN Plus For instance Make sure I'm right about that Any Bravo Jiu Jitsu stuff That kind of thing Yeah yeah yeah Fight Pass is a lot of great shit

But they have Glory too How dare you guys Is that Make sure that's true though That Fight That ESPN Plus has older pay-per-views. I'm pulling my pick up right now. I don't think so, Joe. Pretty sure it does.

Really? Yeah, pretty sure that in the lead-up to one of these fights. Well, you can click on it, but you can't go back and say, watch UFC 183. You can't? I don't think so. I don't know. No. No?

I think they might only have... that would be kind of cannibalizing yeah fight pass fight once the day they've aired maybe like they only have the stuff that was aired 3spn like from now on they'll have all that stuff like they're building their library from this point it must have been a pain in the ass but i know fight pass like what was it 229 that could Like What Is it great The Khabib Khabib Conner You can watch on here Oh Yeah So that does have Only certain ones

Yeah there's only certain ones 197's on here also And I don't see Okay so it's not all of them Yeah it's just random But there's some So you're right There's some

But it's not like Fight Pass Where you can go through And see all the guys So Fight Pass You can see everything You can see every Pride fight And I see

Fight Pass for me Is like I like throwing up some shit that I've never watched before, like some Muay Thai, like where just some dudes I've never seen fight before. Yeah, I love doing that. I have no interest in that. I like doing that when I work out for whatever reason. Well, ESPN now though, but like on ESPN2, those throw up like classic fights. Like Max Holloway, Brian Ortega was on. Conor Nate Diaz too was on like i'll watch those when i'm working out but again with all the cspn and buying this and 79.99 i've never been a dark web guy and when i clicked on something like

dude this is a problem yeah because it's so good yeah it's so good and when i talked to the young like fans around they're like yeah man why would we pay 80 i'm like i can't tell you because i used to always think you'd be fucking over the fighters do you understand the the tech knowledge behind it do you know how they would stop it how do you stop a stream i have no clue from from where i've watched they've never they've they can fight them but you can't stop them remember when they were suing people yeah my buddy got sued really yeah he put on his gym put a pay-per-view on his gym did he make people play or uh no no no he just had it on for free he paid the whatever the who ratted him out i don't know they or they can track the ip address and we're like hold up this is a

gym where you owe us this much money. And then they looked at the capacity or this is how much it is to do that. So he paid just this, whatever, $69.99 at the time. And went, hold up, you're doing it from a public gym? And it fits $300? You owe us, whatever, $15,000. Oh, so he made the pay-per-view. So he paid for it.

Like on his laptop, but streamed it on a big thing. Key icon. They don't fuck around, man. This is also for US only. So for people that are outside of the United States, the ESPN Plus thing doesn't, it's not for them.

They still watch their Fight Pass or whatever. Okay. They also get it on their regular networks. Correct, correct. Yeah, they don't have to pay pay-per-view or anything.

They don't have all that. Like English fans were making fun of me when I was having proms. They're like, you fucking Americans. I'm like, yeah, no, man. So in England,

they could watch it for free a lot of it yeah yeah and brazil they don't have a pay-per-view thing in england the way we have it here they do but it's cheaper like when joshua fights like 1999 oh really yeah huh why are we suckers like what's going on is that what it is jamie we're willing to pay for it yeah yeah man if someone's fighting and it's a yeah. We're willing to pay for it, though. Yeah. Yeah, man. If someone's fighting and it's a crazy fight and you've got to pay $70 for the HD. I think it means people bought Floyd Mayweather Pacquiao for $100. Is that what it cost?

Yep. $99. That's hilarious. They've never gotten cheaper from what I remember in my whole life. It's always been. It's always been expensive. $60 maybe. Yeah.

It seems like it's always. Yeah. It's always in the $59, $99, $69, $99, something like that. It's never cheap. No. It seems like it's always in the $59.99, $69.99, something like that. It's never cheap. No, it's not cheap. They're wild encounters. Dude, I panicked though. When I couldn't figure it out and I knew four of my favorite fighters, I panicked.

Yeah. Dude, listen. I love working for the UFC, but I used to fucking love watching, and I still love watching a good pay-per-view. I love pay-per-view. From the comfort of my own home. Nothing better, dude. Sitting down, kicking back.

The best. Watching it all play out. Listen, if I did watch it on the dark web, I'm saying I did. Right. But if I did, I did buy a Stylebender shirt to give back to UFC. That's good. You're still getting some money. How much did Stylebender get out of that?

Seven cents. I was thinking about just DMing him some money. How much does Stylebender get out of that? Seven cents. I was thinking about just DMing him $80. He should just start selling his own shirts. I wonder if you can. You can't. I don't think so. You have to sell a deal. It has to be through Reebok.

That would be insane if that's the truth. I'm sure it is. Don't you think? Do you think fighters, they must have some sort of a garment and apparel deal because they all have like style bender t-shirts like everybody has a you could buy a t-shirt with uh yoel romero but you i bet you can still sell your own shirt you think so seems like a unknown fighter would be prevented from doing that would be a little strange to stop from trying to that would be fucked up but if you're styled better I don't know Conor has his own gear Conor has his

McGregor August shit What is that? His own line of clothing Yeah but that's like It's not athletic gear Yeah that's not athletic gear That's David August

He makes suits He makes the suits That I wear for the UFC You're right bro So can he As a fighter You can have your own shirt And slang it?

I don't think you can I don't know That's insane I don't know I'm's insane. I don't know. I'm not a businessman. I'm not sure. But I would think they have an apparel deal. With Reebok.

Yeah. I know that I love you, that Yoel Romero shirt, which I almost wore today. I forgot to wear it. That'd been hilarious. Wish you did. Dope shirt. Great shirt. Is it Reebok?

It's a Reebok shirt. Do you see the style bend of Reebok shirt? No. Fucking dope. It looks like the Matrix he's all different colors shit was sick

that fight was sick man he showed who the fuck he is in that fifth round he showed who the fuck he is great fight that was a great fight but in that fifth round

favorite fight he went out there like a they both went out like monsters both of them they did both go out that way

just Stylebender eventually got to him that fifth and final round woo like a fucking champion. They both went out like monsters. Both of them. They did both go out that way. Just stylebender eventually got to him. That fifth and final round, woo! And, you know, that's what he said when I interviewed him that he just felt like

he was ready to just throw it all out there. He was talking to himself during that fifth round and he was saying something like, this is, saying something to that.

Yeah, that's it. I mean, he decided to go out there and and be a champion dude think about if let's say francis becomes world champion which definitely possibilities number two you got three african champions boom boom boom yeah well when if daniel cormier decides to retire and francis keeps getting better i mean francis only been doing mixed martial arts for what five years four months he's he's so powerful man he's that's what i told him i told so i told him wait it out let dc do his thing and you just go do your thing because he

kept saying i want whatever gets me a title went i don't know what you're talking about let's not fight dc let him go out and do his thing. Then you go. What that dude needs is a best friend who's a super heavyweight wrestler. Correct. That's what that dude needs. Just a best friend who's like,

bro, I'm not going to hurt you. He needs that Russian. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's friendly. That guy's like 55. No, no, I'm saying a guy like that. You should watch a wrestling match with him because it was so preposterous.

The way he would hoist guys up in the air. See if Google Carellon slams. Dude, there's no way that guy's clean. No, I've heard of him. Yeah. When I saw him, I recognized him. I had a picture of him on my Instagram. I used to have it in my favorites on my iPhone.

I'd pull it up every now and then just to remind me of what a pussy I am. Dude, that guy's so intense. It's the black and white one with him grabbing the guy and all the fucking teeth and the muscles. He's such a... It's crazy like our American beat him. Rulon Garner beat him. He's all chunky. Look at this.

Look at this. Watch how he'd hoist guys up in the air. Guys would be like, oh, please don't serve. That's embarrassing. Watch this. What the fuck? Boom. He hit you. He's just using the ground. Watch this. What the fuck? Boom! He hit you.

He's just using the ground. Watch this. But look how devastating this is to you. Boom! He's driving you with all his fucking weight, all that momentum and power, and he's knocking you the fuck out, man. Holy fuck. Powerful Reebok sweatshirt. Yeah, look at that. Reebok, back in the day, was sponsoring Carellon

Dude, he was so ridiculously big and strong Dude, who's the little boy wrestling there? That's all he has Who the fuck's he gonna fight? Another 7'3 guy? Who the fuck's he gonna do? Look at the Reebok shoes Look at it

Fucking monster, man How tall was Carellon? I think he was like 6'9 or something like that But just Didn't he Wasn't he undefeated for like ever for years only six three it says he says only six three that seems weird that doesn't seem but he was undefeated forever oh man he was a when when he was fighting i think he was 300 plus pounds what does it say there 285 okay he's 51 now God damn that guy was a gorilla

I wonder what he does now I think he works with wrestlers Holy fuck I think I mean I think You know that whole Russian program They probably have a very prestigious position Yeah wasn't he undefeated forever to Rulon beating?

Yeah But again the way he beat him If you could please google that Because I think Rulon Garter beat him, and this does count, but by getting him to separate his hands. I was looking that up. They had to do a video review even of something that happened,

and then Rulon was awarded the point, and then that made Carellon be extra aggressive. And Rulon kind of ran, right? He had a 54-inch chest. He said that was really hard for him to get his hands around in the first place. Yeah, that's right. Rulon's a big fella. Thick.

Remember when Rulon fought MMA? Yes. He was blasting people with a jab. That's right. He was getting hit with the bottom of a dumpster. Bang! Then he lost his, yeah. Dude, he was so big.

Then he went on a hike and got lost in Colorado and lost his toes and fingers. No, I think he was snowboarding. Snowboarding? Yeah, I think he was snowmobiling. Snowmobiling. I think he was snowmobiling and it broke down and he got frostbite and lost toes.

He lost at least one toe and I think he kept fighting, man. I think he fought in Japan and I think they let him wear shoes. Oh, that's right. They let you wear wrestling shoes. What's he do now? I don't know.

He was on The Biggest Loser. Oh, that's right. He had eaten a lot after he retired from fighting bro he was so big country fed son look at the size of that motherfucker that was when he was on the biggest loser he was that boy got some tits high yeah but look at him in pride go to go to roulon gardner in pride when you see him in shape as a uh an mma fighter you realize what a dangerous guy he was he was an enormous man everyone should be thinking they're lucky stars that russian freak didn't decide look at him right there look at

him in the far left far left that picture dude um that was uh who did he fight there he ain't skinny that's uh that's god damn it that's the the judo guy. Fuck. God damn it. I can't believe I can't remember his name. That guy was amazing. Weren't they two Olympic medalists? What does it say that is? It doesn't say. But I think they're both Olympic gold medalists.

Right? Just go to Rulon Gardner's MMA Wikipedia. I think it's Yoshida. Oh, Yoshida. That's right. Exactly. Yoshida started out. He was a gold medalist in judo and was fighting with the Gion.

Yeah, because I remember that fight because they were saying they were both gold medalists. I forgot about Yoshida. Another great fighter that was fighting during the pride days. But here's the point. Rulon Gardner was so much bigger than him, dude. Go back up and you see that photo of the two of them standing there right there. Jamie, the one, yeah, that picture. That's how you get to just an understanding of the difference in size. Rulon didn't have that many fights, though.

Dude, he was so big. He was smashing that dude with a jab, too. Like, he was beating him with a jab. Like, Yoshida was getting stunned by this giant heavyweight jab and um shout out to Rulon Gardner yeah I think I don't know if he really if that was his first love though you know I think he really loved wrestling he said he was burnt out of wrestling too though yeah I remember seeing that and then he went to MMA that's tough man after all the years of wrestling especially at that international level.

How many of those guys do you think, in the top echelon of amateur wrestling, if they just decided, you know what? Fuck this. I'm going right into MMA right now. How many of those guys would be a giant nightmare for everybody? All of the above. All of the above, right? Think about Jordan Burroughs.

Are you kidding me? Are you kidding me? With his athleticism? Dude. And world-class experience Are you kidding me? With his athleticism? Dude. And world-class experience. And work ethic? Yeah. And just the knowledge and the mental fortitude it takes to become Jordan Burroughs?

Are you kidding me? It's crazy that Askren and him are going to go at it while Askren is in the middle of embarking on an MMA career. Dude, what if Askren beat him? What if he takes him down? That would be insane. Is that possible? If Askren beat him, what if he takes him down? That would be insane.

Is that possible? I don't know wrestling that well to the point where, does Askren stand a chance? We're going to get lit up on the internet for this, but does he even stand a chance? Or is that crazy? No, I think he does. I don't think he would take it if he did it.

I don't think he would take it if he did it either. He's too smart. Yeah, I mean, I want to see. I'm very curious. He's so hard, dude. Go ahead. Go ahead. Yeah'm very curious. He's so hard, dude. Go ahead. Go ahead. Yeah, go ahead. If there's odds for it.

If there's odds? Yeah, like. Well, I would imagine Jordan Burrow's got to be the favorite because. You want to see how big it was or something. Yeah, because Askren has been fighting MMA for so many years now with one and then before that with Bellator. The Bellator one is such a weird situation because he was clearly dominant and clearly their champion, and they just let him go.

And I'm really excited about him and Masvidal because if there's anybody that's going to be able to give him a really hard time by being sneaky and creative and using slick counterpunches and having good wrestling takedown defense and good defense. And he wrestles with a lot of big guys, big, powerful guys. He's a slick customer. That's a real interesting fight because he has such a giant advantage on the feet, especially coming off of the Darren Till fight. Him being able to knock out Darren Till like that, that's a giant statement.

I mean, Darren Till is a legit expert striker. I mean, he's a lightning fast knockout puncher, knockout kicker, nasty Muay Thai skills. And to see Masvidal crack him like that and drop him. So it's like there's never been a better time, like Shab and I were saying, to like fights. There's never been a better group of champions and contenders either. It's like everyone is at the top of the chain.

So what were you pulling up right there? I was trying to find if there was odds on the fight or what's going on. It's like a charity event, apparently. So I don't know that it... They're also fighting, but they're weighing in at 74 kilograms, which is 163. Put that up so I can see it. It's 163? Mm-hmm.

Oh, wow. So Ben's got to lose some weight. He could do that easy, though, I'm sure. It doesn't say too much more about it, really. It's at 163, apparently. The Jordan Burroughs-Ben Askren match. Brendan Shaw back from peeing. Oh, man.

Oh, that's the best feeling in the world when you have to piss for a long time. Nothing better, dude. And you're like, ah, ah. Nothing better, bro. Very interesting. Very interesting. I'm looking forward to that. Where can you watch it?

I think it's a pay-per-view thing, right? Online? Is that what it is? It might be online. Yeah, it doesn't say. It doesn't say? I'll definitely pay for that. Slowwrestling.com.

Slowwrestling.com. I'm on the dark side. Don't, don't go. No, I'm not going to. I'll definitely pay $80.com flowwrestling.com I'm on the dark side. Don't go. No, I'm not going to. I'll definitely pay $80. Imagine if you got sued. Imagine if they went after you. This is allegedly.

Allegedly. Allegedly. Right. I'm sorry. I'm an ESPN Plus cardholder. Oh, there you go. And I contribute. Well, you should be able to legally stream.

No one should say shit. Why? If you're a cardholder. Oh, no, no. Because it doesn't get for the pay-per-view. Damn. I try to give them my money, too. they would legally stream and no one should say shit why if you're a cardholder oh no no because it doesn't get for the pay-per-view damn i try to give my money dude that's a bold move on the ufc's part to go with espn plus for all their pay-per-views that's a bold move i mean that's like when apple got rid of the cd tray oh yeah what it's a little shocking at first cds but i'm sure they'll figure it out yeah yeah dude you. Dude, you're an ESPN employee now.

It looks like it. Congrats. Well, I'm an independent contractor. That's what the fighters say too. I am. I'm an independent contractor. But to watch, you have to have ESPN. Yes.

I pay for it. I pay for it. Listen, I love ESPN. So I grew up with ESPN. Listen, man. I think it's good for the sport. I think what, there's going to be, these hiccups aren't great, but. The future is in streaming.

Yes. The future is in something on the internet. 100%. It's as long as everyone, see right now there's a lot of people out there that got fucked because they might have a nice TV, but it's not set up for the internet. And they couldn't set it up in time. So it's going to take a little bit of an adjustment period you know and and eventually you know and some people don't want to go i have to go out and fucking buy something that's internet ready like a tv that's internet ready

like to watch it on your tv if you've got a tv at home you see you've got satellite and you don't know how to fucking set up your tv for the internet he's not banking on those people they're banking on the people who figure the shit out in the future. But what I'm saying is it's going to be a bit of a learning curve for a lot of people before they absolutely know this is how to do it. Yeah. So that's why it's a bold move. But you have to do it.

Whether it's now or in six years, you have to do it. You don't want to do it in six years because then everybody will already have done it. Dude, I support the movement. Yeah. You got to be there in six years. So six years down the everybody will already have done it dude i support the movement yeah you got to be there in six years so six years down the line everybody knows pay-per-view tonight on espn plus that's what they're going to say they're going to say dude pay-per-view tonight on espn plus i bet you in six years just espn there won't be any plus i bet everything's digital interesting yeah which is it's it's a good move It's funny because

The only reason to have Regular TV For a lot of people Is live sports Regular people Like a lot of people Like look You can get

A whole fucking year Of whatever TV show You want to watch On iTunes Or you can watch Netflix But now YouTube has sports Yeah Right

But remember how much It used to cost To get like cable Yeah Like how much it used to cost to get cable? How much cable used to cost? How much direct TV used to cost? How much did it cost? Well, yeah. I did have a Dish sponsor for the last eight years, and they were like, hey, buddy,

no more. So I have to pay for it now. It's like $100-something a month now. Now think of that in terms of what Netflix costs. What's Netflix? Like $10? $9? Didn't they just raise it to like $15? a month now now think of that in terms of what netflix costs what's netflix like 10 bucks nine bucks or something like that they just raised to like 15 and then you need an internet connection and then that's it that's it apple tv youtube apple yeah or uh amazon because i don't have hbo but i have hbo now so i can watch prime is even more interesting because if you have amazon prime

for shopping you get amazon prime for free like the tv you watch Prime for shopping, you get Amazon Prime for free, like the TV. You watch the TV shows. So you get to watch Mrs. Maisel. You get to watch, do you ever watch

the guys from Top Gear went over? Oh, I love those guys. They went over to, it's the Grand Tour. Yeah, they went over because they fired them and the other two guys

went, fuck it, we're going with them. Yes. Tight move. Well, Jeremy Clarkson got drunk and punched some dude and so they fired him I guess he was different

Whatever Whatever Guy's awesome He's the best He's hilarious The best Funny dude Can't do a show without him

And so Apparently like they just Ended that show And he was crying Like he cried Like that's how He teared up Oh it's over

Yeah Oh damn Yeah I think They committed to do Like a couple of seasons. They're paying them so much money. I'm sure. Look, it's a good move.

Rightfully so. That Bezos dude's burning money. He can do whatever the fuck he wants. He has so much money. Although his girl has half now. She's third on the list of richest. Chaka, chaka, chaka. Yeah.

He has that dimey piece with him now, though. Hulu's got in that game, too, for live stuff. So it's like everyone is playing the game pretty soon it's gonna be over imagine if you're trying to do a shoot a sitcom right now could you imagine if a guy got divorced from a woman who's like a duchess or some shit and made out in the deal as good as jeff bezos's wife was gonna make out to be sick do she did she get like a billion dollars something like that she got way more than a billion get billions yeah son they said as soon as they divorce she's gonna be like top 10

richest in the world yeah he gave her like 25 of his stock or some crazy shit he get yeah like but they did start together like his room yes listen man yeah she deserves it but it's hilarious it's so much money like damn She banked on it correctly She's hanging out With that dude When he was like 24 Going this fucking psycho He's gonna run the world

Have you seen Have you seen that Yes That picture Yes That picture's amazing That's amazing I want that

Send me that picture Isn't that a great picture Do me a favor And send that to my phone I need to see that Isn't that great I'm gonna put that as my I'm gonna replace

The American flag With that Isn't that great i'm gonna i'm gonna put that as my uh i'm gonna replace the american flag with that isn't that great i'm serious and he's like and he's like shaved his head trt tan come on stylist ballin just look at that banner on the wall look at the just the little desk paint banner look at him there dude and have you seen his new girl what's up? Holla. Sure, that cost you about $40 billion, but you ought to be happy. Yeah, he looks like he's enjoying it. Also, when you have $80 billion, what's $40? Who gives a fuck? How much can you spend?

You can't spend it. And by the way, do you think he's going to... Here's the problem with that dude. He might be making so much money that if you think about it, like, when did Amazon even start? Was it 15 years ago? A hot second ago. What year was that? A hot second ago. Wasn't that long ago?

What's it going to be like 15 years from now? When he's on fucking gene doping and they got him backdated to a 24-year-old Bezos. His chin looks thicker. He's got shoulder caps. He's going to be 85 years old running shit, looking 30. How much money do you need if you're that guy? He'll have a billion, billion dollars. How much money?

This is my point. If he stays healthy and is enthusiastic and still has this drive to succeed. How much is he going to be worth? When you start getting that kind of momentum, that's why companies like, that's why you get people like Elizabeth Warren. I don't know too much about about her politics but one of the things that i do know about her is she wants to shut down or break up some of these big companies you know there's a yeah i forget what big companies she was talking about but that would be an example like yeah just too much power so much power so much power she would probably want to break them up it's interesting because like you see like what is when when you see capitalism play out right you see someone

they start a business they want to kick ass they want to make a lot of money and then they do and then they keep going and then they get to this point where they can make more money more easily more often and they just keep going keep going and then they get to this point where if you hit the right river at the perfect time with the most ambitious person ever at the helm, and you got this fucking boat running, running down this river, just passing everybody, that's where you got Amazon with Jeff Bezos. It was the perfect guy at the perfect time with the perfect adjusting to the role of Scrooge McDuck.

He's making, he's like, Elon wants to make a rocket shop. Get me a rocket ship. Correct. It's an ego thing. Why is he exploring space? What is he going to do though? Yeah. You have nothing to do.

Like what challenges does he have? Bro, that one click is the shit. If you need something, it's the shit. Amazon? Yeah. It's amazing. It's the shit. If you need anything.

Anything. Yeah. Just go fucking find it bang boom you don't have to think about it anymore that to me that means a lot to me that means everything time i can save time and hassle thank you i don't have to leave my house thank you she's actually the only third richest in the world third richest woman they made a deal last month or this month actually to give to give her $35 billion. That's it?

Woo! Good for her. And she keeps a 4% stake. Oh, I thought it was more than that. Damn, 4%. She is balling. She's balling. She's single?

Just 4% stake in Amazon is fucking insane. And where's it going? Where's it going? What's it going to be 10 years from now? What's it going to be 15 years from now? Jesus. And she's got $35 billion. Jesus. Jesus. And where is it going? Where is it going? What's it going to be 10 years from now? What's it going to be 15 years from now? Jesus. And she's got $35 billion.

Jesus. Jesus. $35 billion. I bet she went, all right. You know, I bet I'll give you $35 billion. You're not going to spend that. She went, all right, cool. Okay. Okay.

I mean, right? Do you need $35? But also, I think Jeff Bezos Had a weird agreement With his new hot girl Where they're like They're not having sex Until the divorce is final Or some shit like that Oh sure

Yeah I heard that Yeah it was like Some weird thing That's what I mean Dude just bust nuts That's the story They're staying away From each other

Until they Dude what are you doing Jeff? Are divorced and married Or something like that Wow She's getting divorced too I guess Jesus

Oh yeah she's getting divorced too If you want to live like a movie you gotta write a script like a movie script dude's already living like he's in a movie what's yeah you're right yeah yeah and then when you get married make everybody dress up like uh priests or some shit do whatever you want to do god make everybody dress up like uh like a kanye service? Yeah, like one of those. Do whatever you want. God, what do you do, man? It's falling out of control. What do you do?

What do you do? Well, what would you do? You just do whatever the fuck... He can do whatever the fuck he wants to do. You're supposed to do whatever the fuck you want to do. There's only one Jeff Bezos. I know, but at what point do you just stop, kind of... You fucking keep the foot on the gas.

Like, if you're The Rock If you're The Rock Do you need to do 19 movies Or can we do 3 Can we do 3 Last year I did 19 movies This year 22

22 movies 22 movies 22 movies And I'm getting bigger Matter of fact Yeah he'll be 3000 pounds Yeah

Like how many? He's a gorilla, man. That dude's so jacked right now. He's so huge, too. When you meet him in real life, you're like, oh, my goodness. He's so jacked. He's so jacked. He's so inspirational, too, man.

You know, he's... But you know how he's being busy? Like, how often is he home? Dude, he's so inspirational. Oh, that's true. Yeah. Yeah, it's hard, man. It ain't easy. Well, I know my schedule. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's hard, man. It ain't easy.

Well, I know my schedule. Yeah. And I look at how often I'm home. Look at this motherfucker. I look at his. That's a silverback. Dude, his Under Armour shoes are dope, too. His workout shoes.

He's so jacked. Workout shoes are dope. I love this fucking guy, man. I love the fact that- I love him, too. I can go to his Instagram at any time, and he's always super positive, and he's always super motivated and motivational, and he's always getting after it. I love it.

He's always getting after it. But I wonder what it is in him that you have to do this many movies. I think when he was young, man, he was young. He fell upon hard times, and he never forgot, and that's who he is now. And he also knows that he inspires people with that work ethic. who he is now. And he also knows that he inspires people with that work ethic.

Part of what, who he is, is not just the things that he accomplishes, but how he makes people feel. Like that guy, he's an inspirational person. I think the same thing

you could say about Kevin Hart in a lot of ways, man. Don't you think it's for selfish reasons too, though? Because you check those boxes. I'm not saying he's a bad guy, but there's also this, this ego.

Everyone has an ego that he has to fill. Oh, dude. Which he gets from these movies and red carpets and he talks about it he talks about kicking ass he talks about how everything's going great you know he talks about that whole getting after it that whole aspect of it sure yeah but there's a getting after selfish for sure for sure you have to be yeah you have to be for anybody who does anything really good like that like you've got to be doing some of it for yourself but he's also what he's getting out of it is his what he gets out of it but what he gives out of it it's not just entertaining with that guy what's interesting is he's he's also super motivational right like if he leads by example which i

appreciate always really positive always now what before media, when you had an action star, you just had the guy that you went to see in the movie and you saw like, you know, Sylvester Stallone. Arnold Schwarzenegger. Arnold Schwarzenegger. The Terminator. Yeah, they would do interviews. You can't relate to him. Yeah, it would be kind of interesting. But it wasn't this kind of thing.

The Rock is The Rock and he's also the rock on social media and he makes very good use of social media because he just talks right to the fucking camera and you could tell he knows what he wants to say but he's speaking from the heart he's just talking to people right so he's interacting with people you know who's done even better than this which the rocks might be the best but on the other side of this will smith he's fantastic will smith hold up okay so the movie's doing all right but instagram's the new shit all right let me focus on this and it's i mean yeah ridiculous how good he is on there well on youtube as well remember when he did that fucking dance on the roof of that bridge climbed up what do you don't fall down will smith don't

fall down while you're dancing kevin hart's good at social media, too, though. No, he's phenomenal at it. He's one of the most inspirational guys I've ever talked to. Kevin? Yeah. I like this message. And so positive. Super positive.

But genuine. Genuine. Not a bullshit positive. Not a fake show business positive. Not a motivational show business positive. He's got a healthy outlook he does so many things though i got i got tired just listening to him talk about so much energy he was talking about all his businesses i was getting exhausted i was like how do you do that

how do you have the time it's incredible i mean he must sleep and he said he only sleeps a few hours a night but i mean he must be just from the moment he gets up, just fucking foot on the gas. I wish I was one of those guys. I wish I was one of those guys who only needed four hours and could just do function at a high level. If I don't get eight, I'm fucked, man. Do you? I don't think.

But I mean, do you really wish you were that guy, though, that always hit the gas all day long? Whoa, whoa. No, I'm saying I could get four monday through sunday and then before my son gets up at five i'm up at three i get my workouts in i can do all my research for my shows and then i'm off and running yeah i need eight man right like if i do a let's so if i do a set tomorrow at the comedy store i get home at midnight no matter what i'm up at 5 5 30 with my son and i go to work right it's a beast of a day yeah when there's certain guys they just need four hours yeah those people

are freaks you're not that guy no no i need five to feel okay six to feel good six i can work out normal i could do anything seven makes me feel happy seven is nice i'm seven i'm like i'm i'm a seven guy yeah yeah seven's good seven's a solid number if you could get that you probably got most of your bases covered but damn if you get eight or nine that's when the real if you could really sleep for eight or nine like engineer it so don't my problem is i drink too much water at night i gotta pee yeah it's so annoying it's so stupid and like i had a zevia last night while i was watching came with thrones i'm like i shouldn't have this i'm gonna have to pee dude i i have a problem i have to it's so weird i have to have beverages yes i want to enjoy myself i have beverages i'm at

home living my fucking tv yeah yeah you just want to be able to sit back And slurp that Zevia Not that better And then 5 o'clock in the morning God damn I gotta piss Do you ever sip on whiskey or anything at night With the wife you're watching Game of Thrones No

I'll drink a little wine with dinner But I don't drink whiskey at home very often I drink whiskey when I'm looking to get fucked up Or before you do stand up Yeah I'll have a shot Yeah Here's a problem So if I become an alcoholic in three years it all stem i'm blaming you because when we're doing that set i think at the improv you're like you want a shot of whiskey i'm like

i don't drink before shows man you're like i'm telling you it helps you with your nerves so i was like all right this guy's been doing it forever let me try it did the shot one of the best sets i've ever had i don't know how long ago that was. Two months ago? Three months ago? Every time I do comedy now, I have a shot of whiskey. Well, make sure you don't do that. Why not, bro? Because you don't want to become an alcoholic. But one shot?

Hey, come on. Come on. One shot? Who's going to get a whistle wet, bro? One shot every day. Yeah, you could do it. Yeah, I feel good. Because I work out the next morning. Hydrate.

One shot is not that bad for your body. No. It's not the best thing in the world, but it's not that bad. It's a living, though. But it's a good amount to give you just a little fuck it juice. Yeah, a little loosey goosey. It's so uptight. It's a fuck it, man.

Yeah. Come on, let's have some fun. Yeah, that's what whiskey's for. That's why it's been uptight it's a fuck it man yeah have some fun yeah that's what whiskey's for you know that's why it's been around so long you know like that buffalo tray shit that we drank when we're doing the podcast that shit man that stuff's from the 1700s fucking right it is that fucking company was started in the 1700s how ridiculous that is i was thinking about ordering some for my house because i like that whiskey so much i'm like i don't need that in my life yeah because i'll just start drinking.

Become domestic. I'm not an alcoholic, man. It's good during fight companions. Yeah. I'm going to save it for that. Yeah. I don't keep whiskey at home. I don't find myself interested in drinking it.

Because if I want to get a little tipsy, I want to be with my boys and fuck around. I like it at a bar. I like it at a bar i like it uh i like it at a comedy club i like it here i love it during five companions my favorite but it'd be like if i had like a man cave or guys came over when we played poker we'd drink some whiskey that'd be fun yeah but again you're with your boys yeah but i'm just chilling at home by myself yeah i might get drunk and say something inappropriate. Yeah. Get canceled at my own house. Canceled?

It's a different kind of drunk, too. Like, whiskey drunk is like, Jesus Christ. Like, you know, you get belligerent. I don't need that. Too old for that. Too old for that. You start having fun. You start playing Hank Williams Jr.'s songs real loud.

Outlandish. Yeah. Yeah. Dude. There's some fucking, It's outlandish. Yeah. Yeah. Dude. There's some fucking, you go into that deep country music. What were you just telling me about country music? That some giant country rap? Yeah.

Oh, this is hilarious. What is the song? It's called Old Town Road. Old Town Road? Yeah. Old Town Road. So it's like one of the biggest songs out at the moment. It's number one on the regular charts and the country charts, right?

Who put it together? Lil Nas X, is that right everyone's little x little nas what yeah little nas x but so he was on the country charts they took him off because like this isn't country man but then he linked up with miley cyrus's dad what's his name billy ray cyrus billy ray cyrus how dare you yeah so i think what also had to do with this is he used whether he did it or not i don't know but he used the video game red dead redemption and some of the cool graphics and then made a rap song country rap song it's called called country trap is what they're calling it that's why it's a different thing but it's got it's got it's catchy and it's based around this kind of stuff it got it got hot it caught it caught the wave country like the djs on all the stations

were like just ripping it off YouTube and playing it. That's why it made it on the Billboard. And then Billboard was like, hey, this isn't a country song. Take it off. And then because of that almost, it's like Streisand effect, it got bigger. So they, who took it off?

Billboard did. Why'd they take it off? Because it doesn't, and their description was that it doesn't meet the qualifications to meet country or whatever. It took Billy Ray Cyrus to jump on board. And then there's video of him and Billy Ray Cyrus in the studio. You know, it's so interesting when you're looking at the footage of it, how cool that

fucking game looks. It's just a game. That's a huge game, right? Red Redemption 2. But what a great idea to rap over Red Dead Redemption. That's a genius idea. That shit is so huge. Because think how big that game is.

We played it in here. Jamie and I, we played it. Good game? Yeah. You guys beat the shit out of me whatever game we played last time. That was quick. That was fucked up. You don't want to fuck with that game.

Dude. We were just talking about it. Tom Papa walked in. Jeff and I were battling to death. Tom Papa don't play. No, he was just watching us. What the fuck are you doing What are you doing

What are you doing Tom Papa's so funny man He just wants everything To be old school He's so nice He wants to go to the To the paper vendor And get a newspaper

And bake his own bread I dig that What is this Manson What is that They've made a remix of it Now with Billy Ray This is like a real video now Oh so they made a real video

Oh wow See I'm not feeling The real video Dude I like the way he just do dances with a cowboy hat on though but he's become a star because of this it's getting played all the festivals all the last couple weeks the crowds are loving it why didn't he open up at Coachella it was already booked it's more along it said this happened so quick you could sneak him in there with Billy Ray Cyrus let Billy Ray get his whistle wet at Coachella might have

played it I'm sure but like I saw that little the yodel kid was singing this song like he's even caught on all that kind of shit do you know who billy ray cyrus is do you know his big hit oh yeah don't break my heart my achy break you know where his daughter's way bigger um he was really huge for a brief moment in time yeah but yeah he was never like what she is she's a cultural phenomenon she's fucking sound as fuck and she was on that crazy disney hit forever hannah montana forever which made no sense i put a wig on nobody notices me because it is strange so ridiculous like batman there he is look at that glorious locks god looks like theo's brother yeah so powerful everybody was doing the achy breaky

heart back then 53 million i bet that must have fucking freaked him out man to be as famous he was back then for that brief moment in time dude don't you think it's weirder now to be famous like back then you could get away with things and now it's a nightmare yeah that's true do you remember the bill hicks bit bill hicks had a joke about Billy Ray Cyrus. What did he say? It was terrible. He was so mean. He was saying that this is my last show.

I'm not doing stand-up anymore because I got a TV show. He goes, thank you, ladies and gentlemen. I mean, I worked hard forever, and now we're going to do a new television show. It's called Let's Hunt and Kill Billy Ray Silas Jesus Christ Chase him down I forget what he But he said like grab him by his faggy ponytail

Jesus It's intense It was ruthless It was ruthless Cause Billy Ray only had that one hit right He didn't have like multiple big hits I think that was kinda it Maybe he had like one or two other? He didn't have multiple big hits. I think that was kind of it. Maybe he had one or two other songs that were kind of popular,

but that song was giganti. It's interesting that his daughter's so big. She's so talented, man. You ever heard that song Malibu? She's so good, man. She's so good. Yeah. Can't tell people you'd like it, though.

They get mad at you when you're wearing those shoes. And I don't give a fuck. Dude. W for miley cyrus acoustic suck this she's a beast i'll listen to that and wear these shoes the best thing she ever did to me like when i well the most impactful so the first time i realized she could really sing was that song jolene oh my god jolene Oh my god You ever heard of Jolene? Yes Jesus Christ Monster God damn Like this Fucking popped Do you watch American Idol at all?

What? Do I look like a girl? You don't watch any American Idol? What the fuck are you talking about man? You're talking Miley Cyrus and Malibu bro I'm a man I thought we were broing out over music here I'm not watching American Idol

There's only so much time in this life I watched the fuck out of it dude They did it at the Grammys this year But the American Idol Oh they sang it together yeah That kid's awesome Yeah you watch American Idol. There's only so much time in this life. They did it at the Grammys this year, but the American Idol. Oh, they sang it together, yeah. That kid's awesome. Yeah, you watch American Idol? You're fucking right, I do.

Where do you have the time? Only Sunday nights. How do you have the time for that? Sunday nights. You could be writing jokes. My night off, bro. You could be writing jokes. Sunday night.

You could be playing Quake with us in the air. Playing Quake, bro. Calm down. Have a little land party. At least they're real. At least they're real people singing. What? Your balls deepening Game of Thrones are dragons. It's real. I love it as party. At least they're real. You know, at least they're real people singing. What? Your balls deepening Game of Thrones.

They're dragons. It's real. I love it as well. It's real. But I'm just saying, at least American Idol are people pursuing their dreams. Oh, you're so sweet. And they can sing. Yeah.

A whole new world. Yeah, kind of. I don't hate on the show. I'm happy it exists I just There's only so many hours in a day son That's all I'm saying I hear you

You know But at night when you're chilling Not me I like to chill to fiction That's what my favorite shit is Like what? Give me examples Like Game of Thrones type shit

Or like Mrs. Maisel Or any show that I'm Ozark Any stranger things Any show that i'm ozark any stranger things any show that i'm really into that's what i like to chill with i like to follow like a storyline for years i like it's weird i'm with you when i get super like i'm super into game of thrones like i watched all the old seasons leading up to this yeah that's dope dude that's just it's just like a fun little escape where you're just locked into that. And to me, Paul Mooney said to me once a long time ago, he goes, if you really want to write, he goes, go get entertained first.

And I said, how? What do you do? He goes, whatever. Go see some music. He goes, go to the movies. He goes, go be entertained. You're entertained, and then you're going to want to write oh wow yeah there was great advice that i never heard anybody say before but

it made sense it's like go get entertained and like it'll fire you up and then just take take that fire and then just start creating inspires you yeah it's a it's a great piece of advice for for young people because i know there's been many times where I've seen someone murder at the store, where I couldn't wait to get home and write. I just couldn't wait to. I just wanted to run home and bust out that fucking laptop and come on. What do we got in here? What do we got in that brain?

Come on, there's something in there. Do you listen to music when you drive? Sometimes. Depends on if I'm on my way to the gig. If I'm on my way to the gig if i'm on my way to the gig almost always try to listen to last night's set or whatever new shit that i'm working on to go over it just not not just to go over but to examine it see if there's any way that i want to stop and rewind and maybe slow it down or speed it up or do it different if i don't take those extra like

say if i do four sets a week but i listen to three sets a week that's seven sets instead of four sets and i think that's that's a difference like a rep thing but it's uncomfortable like you don't want to do it the worst it's annoying but i think it counts almost as much as doing a set it's not as much because doing a set what happens is you get that spontaneity and you get the flow and you get the instinct the feeling when it hit the punchline but in the car is a mental rep it's a mental rep but it's also like a third party examiner like it's almost like you could watch it from the outside you could watch it as someone well i guess it'd be second party you'd

watch it as someone watching you and you go'd go, huh, this is clunky. Why are you saying this like this? If you could just do that and say it like yourself, and say it like yourself, but then listen like you would listen to it too. Yeah, that's a fan almost and critique it. Yeah, listen as a person who's also, you know, you do it. You practice it. So you know where the – but sometimes you get caught up and

doing something a certain way and it's hard to break out of the pattern of doing that bit to try to find a better way yeah it's like you're comfortable with like oh god i gotta get into this bit how do i get into it then you'll stumble into this one way and then you keep doing it that way when really the right way to do it is to kind of break it down and rebuild it yeah like you know where the funny parts are break it down and i it. Yeah. Like, you know where the funny parts are. Break it down. And I've done that a few times in broken bits where they never worked again. Sometimes it just, they don't bounce back. You know?

Yeah. You freaking, at the Ice House, man. Yeah, you did. I mean, you fucking, you did that because you're getting ready for your 420 show, yeah? Yeah. Yeah. Is that the biggest crowd you've ever done? Yeah.

No. Air Canada Centre done yeah no Air Canada Center was bigger Air Canada Center that's the Scotiabank Arena fuck in Toronto Air Canada

is that where that's where the UFC is that's right yeah it's the Scotiabank Arena now it used to be the Air Canada Center

and how many was that that's a good joint that's like 13,000 were you on a stage like Kevin Hart stage circular no no no it was on like a regular stage is uh san diego circuit yeah san diego circuit i find it awkward man watching i find it awkward it's gonna be weird son kill it but i find it awkward yeah i'm excited i think joey diaz doing 420 in Milwaukee. Joey Diaz is the best.

Can't get enough of that dude. So happy he's around. He's one of the most important. You know what he's doing right now, right? I don't think I can say it on air. Don't say it then. Oh yeah, I do know. I don't think you can say it.

No, I don't think he's announced it. It's amazing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Can't say that. Can't say that. But you know, yeah. Yeah. So cool. He's one of the most important figures in the stand-up world today. it's amazing yeah yeah yeah can't say that can't say that but you know yeah yeah it's so cool he's

the one of the most important uh figures in the stand-up world today in my opinion he's one of the the most free guys like in terms of like if if you look at if there was a style of um say the style of jiu-jitsu right where uh one guy's just always catching triangles on people super aggressive and always catching triangles like how is this guy always catching and it sort of changes your perception of how often someone can catch someone in a triangle joey is so fucking loose he changes your perception of what's loose like he he he moves the needle yeah this is rare that's rare i think bill burr does that too moves the needle too like with with bill and maybe it's because i'm around brian and brian's always like you know you gotta be careful if you say this stuff especially in the

culture side right now you gotta be careful with this i'm like yeah maybe so i've started like almost reserved and then burr went up with the laugh factor like oh shit you can do that yeah he's on fire right now he just filmed um he just filmed some uh special did he really yeah yeah yeah he's kind of come out with a i don't know i should say anything a while ago though right because the stuff he's doing now it's all new it well i don't know if I'm supposed to be saying this Did I give something away? I don't know I don't know if that's been announced So I'm going to shut my mouth

Either way, murderer He's one of the best of all time And no fucks given at all Yeah He's Uniquely free He was making the comics in the back. We were just watching.

I'm like, what the fuck? It makes hilarious points, too. They're so bold. But that's how he started. He's just sticking with his guns. That's what he is. That's who he is. That's who he is.

I think I see a lot of guys navigate away from that because they're afraid of offending people. And then Burr gets up and he's like shut the fuck up well people are taking comedy um as much more of a statement than like if you wrote a movie where some fucked up things happen like if you wrote and that's probably coming too if they let people take comedy they'll probably go after that next which would it kind of falls in line with what what could be next but if you decide that someone's saying something that they actually mean that and they shouldn't be able to say that even though it's funny and it made people laugh and the guy's clearly joking which is that has been especially when you try to use it in print you're it's a slippery slope it's a slippery slope a greased hill because then why

are why is quentin Tarantino allowed to write a movie where a bunch of people get killed? Why is he allowed to write a movie that might incite violence? Why is he allowed to write a movie where people use racial slurs and shoot people over nothing? Why is he allowed to write that movie? Yeah. Oh, it's all Quentin Tarantino? So he's responsible for this whole movie.

Fuck that. We got to boycott him. And that kind of nonsense is an episode of fucking South Park. You think that's coming? That's what's going on in this world. I think it's swaying back the other way. It could sway back the other way, but you got to realize

we could take a little break and then have it come back hard again. Maybe. Or the guys like Louis C.K. who's selling out everywhere and doing great comedy. He could sell out fucking Staples Center right now multiple times in a row.

What's crazy is he doesn't want to. Doesn't want to. He's just doing comedy clubs. Just working. Yeah. He could easily come back like Tiger Woods. Easily. Easily.

Right now. He said something so fucked up too. He goes, they asked me why I did it. He goes, I like to jerk off and I don't want to be alone. I like to jerk off and I don't want to be alone i like to jerk off and i don't like to be alone like oh and then you know he's great man yeah i mean he obviously did some creepy shit but definitely did did some creepy shit i don't approve of it but he didn't molest anyone i don't think we know exactly what happened either no But all I do know is he could sell out Staples Center.

Yeah. Because I think most guys and fans go, all right, man. The other thing that- And he's really good at comedy. Yeah, that's the other thing. The other thing that we

always have to think about whenever we talk about anything is that we're dudes. And so whenever we're talking about someone jerking off in front of you, just imagine- A woman jerking off

in front of us? No, you can't because that's not the same. Because it would- The only just imagine a woman jerking off in front of us no you can't because that's not the same because it would it the only reason why a girl could jerk off in front of you and it's hilarious it's because she can't rape you see if a guy is jerking off in front of you most guys are bigger and stronger than most women obviously there's some variables there. But most guys are bigger and stronger, and men make all the rape. Women aren't out there raping dudes. True.

Right? It's all men. So if a guy has his dick out and he's jerking off. Scary shit. That's why it's scary. It's creepy, too. Yeah. If you go over a girl's house, and for whatever reason she goes, I want you to watch this.

Sit down. Fucking fuck. She starts fingering herself. Fucking fuck? And you're like, whoa., I want you to watch this. Sit down. Fucking, you know, fucking fuck. She starts fingering herself. Fucking fuck? And you're like, whoa. Yeah. But you would laugh. You would laugh and you would come back to here and we would talk about it.

Because I know I could get out at any time. Right. We'd be crying laughing. But it wouldn't be like you were in danger. But if a guy is with, say if you have a daughter and your daughter weighs 110 pounds. Different animal. And she's with a guy, and the guy wants to jerk off in front of her.

Yeah, and he has to do it. And she says yes, because she's scared. Fuck. Then it's like, what would actually happen? And see, he hasn't really said anything other than the stories are true. And, you know... This comes from a guy that sounds like, you know, because you have two daughters.

Yeah. So you have to think like that. Well, you have to think like that as a human being, right? Yeah, but I'm saying to you, it's probably the first thing you think of because you have two daughters. Right, but I don't think that's what he did. I think from, I can't say too much because I don't know, but I think he did some regrettable things, and I think he would admit that, but I don't think he did what a lot of people are claiming he did

in terms of how often he did it or who he did it or what the circumstances were. But either way, there's no defending when it was bad. No, it's not good. There's no defending. I'm sure it scared the girls. He's got to say it's a terrible thing to do. But what's the punishment for that?

You know, how much should the punishment be? Did he not pay for it? He lost all his jobs? Lost all his TV deals? $35 million in a year of work. And people still were saying, no, but he's still, he's fine. I've heard that argument that he's fine. These are also things that he did like more than a decade ago right

what when do you offer someone compassion like when do you when do you let someone explain themselves when do you when is it enough is enough or should he have to do something like what would people like someone to do well i think they're mad because because there's only a year and then he's back and killing it because he's so good at comedy. Because like with Tiger Woods, right? People hated Tiger. Well, there was that but there was also

the material that got leaked when he came back so people were upset at the jokes, the Parkland joke. Yeah, not the best. That shit falls in line with how he's always

done jokes though. That's always been him, yeah. Whether he did this or not. He says the fucked up thing to say. It's part of what makes him really funny and he does that in real life too. fucked up thing to say it's part of what makes him really funny and he does that in real life too it's not it's a style of comedy man i mean it's just like

a quentin tarantino has a style of making movies his style of comedy is to say fucked up things so that compounded the fact that people were upset at him that a year ago you know he said he was going to take some time off and it's um i don't you know i think it's really important to know that i don't know what happened and and you know he knows and they know and it's it's it's never good when someone's upset that you jerked off in front of them that it's not a good time it's just never good for anybody but also him losing 35 million dollars and only being out a year, I think people are upset that it was such a quick turnaround.

Like, for TJ... Is that a quick turnaround, man? I mean... Not as a comic, but to the normal person, like, a year? That ain't shit, dude. But as a comic, not to be able to do what you love. Well, let's imagine that he's going to live another 50 years, right? A year.

A year out of 50. It's like 2%, right? it's like two percent right yeah it's a lot it's a lot and a lot of money yeah but now now now compare this to tj dillashaw two years two years of he's 31 yeah 135 or not a lot of fights left no two years is almost a death sentence it might be is that fair that's a good question i mean uh the real question is would he have even been able to pursue that weight class like what you were saying in terms of like having the uh advantage of the epo yeah wonder if he would have been able to pursue training but in the same way in hindsight what a terrible idea you know i don't know what the uh thought process was but it's definitely definitely not good and um it it doesn't take away from how talented and skillful he is as a

fighter and if that's the only time he did it, it's kind of understandable. That's what I'm saying. Given what we were saying. Yeah. If that's the only time. But I think, honestly, all bullshit aside, I think you are right as far as don't test anybody else. Don't go back and test everybody. No.

Unless you want to spend a lot of money. One of the things they were saying, to test everyone for EP EPO would cost an additional $2.5 million a year, something ridiculous like that. I might have made those numbers up. Listen, stop doing that. Divide that money amongst the fighters. Ooh. Give them the money.

And how often do you test? Don't care. Give the fighters more money. Oh! Okay. What Stalban and Kelvin did, and Max Holloway and Dustin Poirier, they should be set for quite some time.

Yeah. But here's the thing if we look over the history and really our only testing pool would be conor mcgregor who never has to fight again nate diaz i guess you could throw into that who they make life-changing money they don't fight a lot do they no and here's the question because if you give i'm sorry i don't mean to interrupt you but let's say you know if you give certain fighters $20 million, they're like, you want me to do what now? And they don't fight. Right.

So if you're Dana, you're like, listen, look at Conor, look at Nate Diaz. When they get this boatload of money, we can't get them to fight. They have no power. The sport's too hard. They won't do it. Hmm. That's interesting. I know.

So to keep them hungry, we we gotta pay him this yeah but that's it's so fucked up so i'm not saying it's the right thing to do but i'm saying if you're dana from his standpoint you're like when they get fat they really don't fight that way i think they really think that way i don't think that's the case you don't i think it's a side effect of making boatloads of money but i think they try to make boatloads of money because it doesn't happen very often it only happens with a ronda rousey or a Conor McGregor or some gigantic huge star like a Nate Diaz. You have to be a gigantic huge star.

Yeah, but that's rare. There's so few of those guys. There's so few of those. The idea that you would try to pay people less because you want to keep them hungry because if they become giant superstars and they're not hungry, then they stop fighting. Then we're not paying more.

So what you're saying is pretend they're not giant superstars and they're not hungry, then they stop fighting. Then we're not paying more. They have the capabilities. So what you're saying is pretend they're not giant superstars, even when they are. No, the giant superstars still get paid, but they also have crazy demands. They want to fight who they want to fight. They want to do it when they want to do it. There's all sorts of jockeying going on back and forth. I mean, I don't know what happened with Nate Diaz and Dustin Poirier, but they were supposed to fight, remember?

They were supposed to fight, and then Dustin got hurt. And Dustin got injured. So Nate was scheduled for a fight, and he's never pulled out of a fight that he's been scheduled for, as far as I can remember. No, he was going to fight that fight, and then when it happened, they made other offers. He's just like, oh, I'm good.

Right, but let's imagine that if Dustin Poirier did not pull out of that fight, what if he did fight Nate Diaz? And what if Nate Diaz beat him? Then Nate Diaz could very well have fought Max Holloway on Saturday night. Maybe. Maybe. Yeah, if you paid him enough.

Maybe. I'm sure he would. They might have decided to make that shit happen. And you know what? I bet it would have been, that was it. That was the face-off. I bet that would have been a very entertaining fight, too. Oh, my God. Oh, my God.

Oh, my God. Max and Nate Diaz? Both guys have insane cardio. Fuck, yes. Insane volume striking. That would be an incredible fight, man. Fuck, that would be a great fight. Great fight.

That would be a great fight. Yeah, Max and Nate would have been insane. But Max was going to fight Dustin Poirier. And, you know, he could be... Look, that would be a big fight. Dustin Poirier, if he doesn't fight khabib if for whatever reason they decide to go with nate over khabib they're not they're gonna do khabib next yeah in september well maybe khabib fights the winner or uh the winner rather fights nate that could be possible too if he really still

or tony ferguson nate or tony ferguson yeah god damn and gaethje's still in the mix i mean gaethje he's deep in the mix that knockout of barboza he's so excited before now he's right there how can you deny that i mean what a fucking division man amazing what a fucking division. It's crazy. How about that dude in 1FC that knocked out Alvarez? I know. Nasty Yukin. What a crazy name, too.

How about Mighty Mouse, though? Getting the win. Yeah. I'm still waiting for Sage Northcott to fight. Yeah. No shit, right? He has a tough fight, too. He's fighting Cosmo Alexander. Yeah, he has a tough fight.

Dude. Cosmo's no punk. That dude's a nasty Muay Thai fighter. That guy beat John Wayne Parr. He's really, really good. Yeah, he's built like an Adonis, too. That's going to be a best bod contest between those two. First team all body.

Yeah, that's first team. First team, both of them. Yeah. Dangerous fight for Sage Northcutt while they're standing. If he can't take it to the ground. I mean, Sage is a very good striker and he's very fast, but Cosmo Alexander. Cosmo, world class. He's something special. But Cosmo Alexander. Cosmo, world class. He's something special.

He's something special. Nasty, nasty Muay Thai man. Monster. Yeah. Big guy, too. You know? He's jacked. He's thick.

Sage is such a nice kid. Mm-hmm. Could be nicer. Couldn't be nicer. It's almost fake. Were you surprised that the UFC let him go? No. I'm not surprised by that the UFC let him go? No. I'm not surprised by anything the UFC does.

Not surprised. They don't need anyone. I thought they were grooming him. Me too. I put a lot of marking behind him. They're like, fuck it. We're good. We're going to ESPN.

We're good. What do you think the future is going to be like? Do you think this is going to be how it is for most sports? that they're going to be watching on apps you think they'll ever have that for like the nfl oh 100 they just the future the nfl just yeah yeah yeah like the last two years thursday night games have been on uh at least last year was on amazon prime they were on twitter too twitch for a little while they're on twitter last year so they're doing all sorts of stuff the nba has talked about moving towards being maybe on Twitch. They've even talked about shorting their season.

They're doing different stuff. They just had a big conference about that. The UFC made the smart move. It's a smart move. They're smart because they're getting out way ahead. That's what it is. I feel like once everyone's TV is hooked up to the internet, because right now it's not everyone.

No. It's a lot of people, but it's not everybody. It's going to be everybody. For sure. Dude, I got to roll. I got to get to my kiddo. It's 6 p.m. I know, man.

Brandon motherfucking Shaw. I love you, man. Thank you for coming out. I love you, too, brother. You're the best, dude. Hey, we're doing a show together. We are, man. We're doing that show.

Thursday. That shit's sold out, though, right? Sold out. Both of them are sold out. Ha-ha! I'm in Arizona, though, next week, Friday, Saturday. Where you at, son? Stand up live, dog.

Phoenix, Arizona. Beautiful. Phoenix, Arizona. Stand up live. Then after that, Tampa. TFATK.com. TFATK.com. TFATK.

All right, brother. Good night. See you soon. Bye, everybody. Oh, that was fun. Thank you.