The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #63 with Jorge Masvidal

Episode Date: April 16, 2019

Joe is joined by UFC welterweight fighter Jorge Masvidal.

three two one and we're live we're live what's up brother what's up dude how are you very good we got you in here finally man how many times we have to talk about this several right a lot this was the universe wanted it right now The universe made it happen after the Till victory That was That was For a lot of people

A big coming out party for you Was it? Yeah I thought I was Yeah, you were already out But that was like Holy shit The way you put him out

It was That was a holy shit moment I was going for that moment That's what I was trying to do Yeah I knew a decision wasn't going to come my way that way. Not to say nothing about the English, but I don't like the judging over there. I've seen a lot of decisions go super crooked.

I don't like decisions in almost every state. Yeah. There's decisions in almost every athletic commission that you just shake your head at and you don't understand. What's the worst one you can think of? I don't know. I don't know. I'd have to sit back and go over the archives, but I've seen some horrible ones.

Even ones where guys win. They, like, barely win. You're like, how the fuck was that close? Like 29, 28. Yeah, that kind of shit. And you're like, what round? Yeah, there's a lot of those. It's getting better, though,

because more fighters every day are joining that force. Or I hear about fighters that used to fight that are involved in the commissions, at least like in Florida and stuff. So I know 10 years from now, there's going to be nothing but productive people in there, people that know what they're looking at. We can only hope. I mean, that's the number one problem. I think the scoring system sucks, too, like adopting the 10-9. Even the new improved scoring system, it's like MMA is so much different than boxing. And to adopt this scoring system just because it already existed for boxing, that's like adopting the rules of tennis for ping pong.

They're different things. It's a mafia. Is that what it is? The boxing thing. Why is the boxing commission governing the MMA commission? Shouldn't we have our own thing? I think in some places they just didn't have the infrastructure. Nowadays we could do it.

Nowadays, for sure. Yeah, in most places. But yeah, I mean, times are changing. I mean, you've been around for a long time, my friend. I remember the first time I ever saw you fight.

It was a backyard bare knuckle fight in the Kimbo Slice days. That was the first time I heard about you. And then I saw you fight Eve Edwards in Bodog. Yeah. Remember Bodog fight.

Yeah. It was the golden ages. The golden ages, man. It was a while ago. Damn, it's crazy. Like, Bodog fight was a fun organization. It was super fun.

Cain Velasquez fought there. Chael Sonnen fought there. Yeah. Eddie Alvarez. That's right. Yeah. Fedor. Fedor had a fight over there.

Fedor had a fight over there. Brad Pickett as well. Yeah. Yeah. Fedor. Fedor had a fight over there. Fedor had a fight over there. Brad Pickett as well. Yeah. Yeah. Mike Brown. Yeah. What happened with them? They went under because of the whole gambling rules online changed, right?

Not from what I heard. No? From what I heard was the spending budget. This is what I heard. Calvinair, that was the owner of Boro, right? He put up this huge budget. And these are just rumors from what I heard from the people working, you know. It was like $100 million for X, Y, Z amount of years to get him publicity so people would see the fights and then go to the casino.

And that $100 million got blown out like in two, three years is what I heard. Oh. And I wouldn't disagree because they used to pay me really good and give us super perks. They used to give us some super perks, you know. Take exotic locations to fight be there for two weeks you plus two they'd fly out take care of you they really really took very good care of you so when i heard that they blew out 100 million in three years i was like yeah it could be you know well they were fighting on the beach with hot girls and bikinis wandered around dancing but you were on the beach like in the sun i was like what the who the fucking idea is to fight in the sun but around dancing but you were on the beach like in the sun i was like what

the who the fucking idea is to fight in the sun but let me tell you the training sessions that went on there were some of the best that i've seen in the world because they so you would go and you'd bring two of your corner men and then somebody found that and then before you know you had like four people of your entourage going with you from whatever team that was and everybody was doing that and we'd have a training place. And what they had done was laid out tarps and mats, and it was huge. So we'd have like 100 pros, 50 pros from all over the world just training. When you don't know each other and it's like, hey, you want to roll,

you know it gets competitive. So there were some great training sessions that I saw and that I took a part of. Wow. Yeah, it was fun, man. Good fucking time. Look, the world needs more of those. They need more one FCs.

We need more Bellators. We need more, you know. Competition. Whatever the professional fight league is called now. What do they call themselves now? Professional fighters. Is that what it is? It's PFL.

It used to be World Series of Fighting. That's right. Yeah, we need more. We need more of them. Oh, so PFL is World Series of Fighting. It used to be world series now it's pfl okay yeah i think pretty sure most of the same organization okay yeah do you need we need more you know i need more money yeah that oscar de la joya thing you know that that's probably never going to happen again after the the tito and chuck fight it doesn't look like but someone of that ilk, someone like a Golden Boy promotions,

they started getting involved in MMA and putting together, they could get some guys that aren't signed but are super high level with a big name. Like maybe the contract comes up and they decide to do something with a big name promoter. It'd be good for everybody.

Golden Boy tried many years ago, didn't they? Where Affliction was an Oscar part of that, I remember. Oscar, Donald Trump. That's right.ald trump was a part of affliction that's right josh barnett sunk that ship josh barnett tested positive and that ship sunk remember yeah yeah and then the ufc bought it like right afterwards yeah yeah they had some fun fights though that fucking tim sylvia fedor fight was wild as shit andrew alasky yeah alasky fedor look at donald trump and fedor he with tom

atensio that's hilarious yeah back in the day son yeah donald trump and tim sylvia that's hilarious he was a totally different character back then. Donald Trump was like a fun guy. Like everybody liked him. You want to be like Donald Trump. He was always at the boxing fights too. Yeah. People liked him. He'd get cheered on. Now people are so fucking mad at him. Same guy. Nah, they don't see him that way no more.

No, they don't. They don't, man. That's why he has all the security around him now. Oh yeah, he has to. Yeah. He fucked up. Became president. Yeah. It's a huge mistake. For anybody. yeah, he has to. He fucked up, became president. It's a huge mistake for anybody. You want to enjoy your life? Don't be fucking president. He could disappear, get facial surgery or something after this.

Of course. Plus, you get that booklet with all the secrets of the history. Just for that alone. Yeah, the CFR book. Just for that alone. Who do you think gives you that book? Is it the CIA, the nsa or who comes to you with the book some guy with no face nothing no face yeah like uh the the guy with the water

and the mast what is the the watchman who was that guy ink blot what's his name rorschach rorschach that's right that guy yeah he comes to you he comes to you with the book what do you think's in that book we we all know what's in that book tell me I don't know what's in that book you don't know what's in that book what's in the book you think I'm gonna say here and what millions of people

listening get killed I can't say I've seen the book but I can't talk about it what do you think's in the book no I'm joking what do you think if you had to guess

let's say President Jorge your first day in office Mr. Masvidal what would you like to what would you like to go over first is Elvis still alive?

What about Tupac? Where the fuck are you keeping him? Where's Tupac at? Who else? What's going on with these aliens, bro? Are they real? What's really happening? That's mine.

Number one. Number one. Number one I want to know about aliens. I was hoping, this is my hope, when all these people are screaming these tweets about Trump, like, no! I was hoping the moment he gets in, he's going to ask about aliens. about aliens because trump's into conspiracies like he used to go on the alex joan show all the time i know he's into conspiracies if you were going to be the president the first thing you'd ask is fucking aliens what do you got what's going on here with these green fellas

yeah what do you think is going on with them i don't know you live in florida there's plenty of aliens down there no we don't got oh yeah we got a lot of aliens different types of aliens florida we're talking about those no florida the trip it's one of my favorite places because it literally especially the whole southern florida area like miami you know west palm down it seems like you should have a passport to go there it's just it's so different than the rest of America. It's wild. Don't speak English. It's great. The food is all exotic. It's such a different flavor. And then the weather's crazy.

It's almost like going to another country. Yeah. You need a little passport. You go to the gas station trying to put gas there. What language are you speaking? Nobody speaks English there. People get upset. I'm always at a gas station and somebody, like an American person will be in the line and fucking damn it man nobody speaks

english here and then i have to like translate oh calm down man it's okay bro you know there's people speak english and spanish you know it's yeah it's also the weather there it's when it gets crazy it gets so crazy i went with eddie bravo once and he was doing a jujitsu seminar we had a drive from west palm down to mi. And as we're driving, this storm hit. It was so hard. You had to, everyone stopped dead on the highway because you couldn't drive because you couldn't see in front of you. We were laughing. No one could see anything. It was just all a wall of water that was pounding down the car for about 10 minutes. And then it all went away. We were like, what in the fuck was that?

You can't see in front of you. Didn't matter if you had windshield wipers on. You were going nowhere. You couldn't drive. You couldn't see. Sounds about right. That's about right, right? That's why Miami people, Florida people got that spastic behavior as well, just like the weather.

We're here one moment, we're gone the next. It's all temporary yeah yeah well you know you being down there though you couldn't ask for a better training environment I mean

what they've established down there I mean it was great when there was the Black Zillions there as well but I mean American Top Team down there

like holy shit we are in Florida I mean Black Zillions was trying to do that cute thing to saying that they were doing this competition I don't whatever happened to that team well the guy died no but

before that it was long extinct yeah well it's look dan lambert's a bad motherfucker it costs a lot of money to do what he did and that guy is uh he's one of the treasures of the sport yeah you know and what he did was not just do it once, but then build a whole new place. The giant new place with dormitories and shit, state of the art facility. Dan loves it, man. He's amazing. Have you ever been to Dan's house? No, never have. Oh, he's probably going to get mad at me.

I'm going to put him on blast right now. But fuck it, let's pick out him real quick. He's rich, so. He's got a really nice house to start with. And you go inside the house and you don't see any pictures of his kids. But she has a beautiful family. But do see pictures massive pictures i'm talking about they won't fit in this room they're huge pictures of his fighters knocking people out of some people all over his living room man and he'll tell you wow i the gym is my baby i would no way i'd

get rid of this you know this is that's his thing that's his baby man he loves it man yeah and dan's also a tough motherfucker bro i've rolled with him back in the day when he was maybe like eight years ago he used to roll with everybody if you were a world champion or nine be like let's roll just straight jujitsu and he's pumping pretty good man yeah he's very good he's legit yeah he's a great guy too and i remember when that place was basically just a money hole for him he just kept pumping money into it he was funding fighters some of them took advantage of him a lot of them it was but he stuck with it and then he started developing world champions and now it's like wow look at that place i mean we talk about best gyms on the planet you always have to mention att you have to obviously my opinion is biased but but I think we stand alone in the world.

I don't think nobody's just sheer numbers. We just got another title holder. On my card, we got four people from American Top Team fighting against the world. I think for a while it was Greg Jackson and AKA. They were producing a lot of people. But as of late, the last four years, I think it's American Top Team. Yeah, it's also the incredible diversity of talent that you could train with. That's what attracts it.

You're a 135er, and back home you're the only 135er, and maybe you're a world-class guy. You come in here, you've got like five 135ers, and 30 of them might be in the top ten in the UFC. What do you attribute your longevity to and your enthusiasm to because you've always been a guy who loves fighting and you've always been a guy who i mean you've had that enthusiasm for a long time man you know not a lot of things uh can capture my attention you know like i can't just watch tv for example you know like a football

game and sit through the whole thing you know not trying to dis football i just don't have that attention span or basketball or baseball fighting can just like i'm talking to you and the fight goes on and i just like almost get zoned out you know so it's always had my attention since a kid since before i knew that i could make money off of it. It just attracted me, you know? It's that primal instinct, survival, whatever it is. It's just hardwired deep into me, you know? And my longevity. One thing I definitely attribute to is not taking steroids, man. You know?

Just being natural, enjoying this ride, the natural form, you know? Yeah. Not, like, pushing my body towards limits that I'm bench-pressing 400 pounds where my ligaments are weak, things like that, you know? And I also think God made me for this. The way that I've been fighting my whole career, I have really good defense. The last fight

it didn't show, but I'm also built hard, man. I walked out of the two fights without a bruise. You got clipped with one left hand in the initial after you dick kicked him, which is crazy. That was the first fight i ever saw with an opening flying sidekick dick kick luke kank to the balls sorry um but then he clipped

you with it was a perfect straight left but you survived on the ground you survived in the ground you covered up you showed great defense on the ground you got back to your feet and you kept it together you know and the combination that you hit him with you'd hit him with that combination a couple times you did is that something you prepared for that when you were switching and then throwing that left hand is that did you prepare for it that way yeah yeah yeah me and my coach uh he's he's the one that'll do like all the techniques the guy that i've been with uh forever paulina and nines i think the greatest striking coach ever he uh he showed me like hey let's do this you know oh man i don't want to do any techniques come on let's just do it you know then we started doing and doing and doing and this was

like a while ago and then for this fight and i had stopped doing it you know because a lot of techniques we work them a lot when when this shit when he brings me a technique to the table we're gonna rep it out 1 000 times in a week and the next week the same thing talit feels that i got it and then it'll be like all right cool it's it's there in the tool shit when we need it we'll polish it up so for this fight he's like hey remember that, cool. It's there in the tool shed. When we need it, we'll polish it up. So for this fight, he's like, hey, remember that technique? Let's bring it. I think it'll work here. I go, man, but he's a southpaw.

He's like, I'm telling you, the way he's moving, the way he's fighting with you, it's going to work. So we started doing it, and boom, money. You caught him with it a couple times before you put him away with it, right? Not with that one. With that same exact one. Similar ones, but i didn't uh i didn't go full southpaw to to the blitz you know i did it other different ways you know and i also caught him a lot with like overhand and left hook as he was coming in especially in the second round

i caught him i think maybe twice with that combo yeah man that's a big knockout that was a big knockout he's a he's an interesting guy because he's really too big for 170. He's so fucking tall. But you are a guy who doesn't cut much weight at all. How much weight do you cut? By the time I get into shape shape, I'm around 182 pounds, 180 pounds. So fight week, I get over there and I'm like eight pounds away, seven pounds away. That's so light.

Yeah. It's nice. I don't cut anything. At 55, if everything went right when I used to fight at 155, I got there at 174 pounds, 173 pounds, 5% body fat. And the rest is just water, man. It would fucking kill me. So I always felt I was too big for 55. I loved it because the competition was stifter, but it was just getting harder and harder. Once it took ivs away forget it there was no way for me to make that weight yeah and moving up has been very successful for you i mean you look better moving up than i think you have ever in your career i don't think i had any stoppages at 55 with the hands like

ending somebody i dropped numerous people but i never killed somebody stiff you know and at 70 i got a couple of them and it's do you attribute that to having more power at 70 like energy healthier feeling energy confident you know once once you run that desert to cut the weight and then you still have the fist fight that's still in the back of your mind like right you know do i have 50 good hot right hands in me you know right right and those doubts and stuff come in you and also your insides take a beating when you cut that weight when you're cutting like 12 pounds and And also, your insides take a beating when you cut that weight. When you're cutting like 12 pounds and up of water, your insides take a beating. So you get hit in the stomach and like, whoa, that shit fucking hurt. It doesn't hurt like this in practice.

So it sucks, man. It sucks. Harsh water cuts suck. We were talking about it outside that I think that if they instituted hydration tests and more weight classes and just cut it out, just cut out weight cutting altogether. Cut it out, man. Just figure out a way to eliminate. Make people fight at what they weigh at. But you've got to have more weight classes.

No, definitely. I mean, most of the population walks around between like 145 and 170, I think, right? You know, most of my friends are not heavyweights or very short dudes. You know, they're like right around there. So I think definitely in those weight heavyweights or very short dudes, you know, they're like right around this. So I think definitely in those weight classes they could definitely add more, you know,

maybe even seven pounds in those weight classes every seven pounds a difference. And then as they get bigger they could do like 10 pounds, you know, like 85,

95, 205, you know. I don't think it's, some people said that boxing is too watered down. I think what waters down boxing is the different organizations.

Yes. I don't think it's weight classes. 15 belts per weight class, come on. Yes. I don't think it's weight classes. 15 belts per weight class. Come on. Yeah, I don't think there's anything wrong with a 147 and a 154. No. That doesn't bother me. No, no way.

That seven pounds. 147, 154, 160, and they have 168. I think that's perfect. Perfect. Yeah. I don't think, I mean, I think, look, I always thought it was weird that we didn't adopt, if we're going to adopt the boxing 10-point must system, why don't we adopt the weight classes?

That's what I'm saying. It's so weird. How is lightweight 155? Lightweight's always been 135. We all know that. Welterweight's 147. It's not 170. How is that welterweight?

That's ridiculous. There was already a welterweight. It's like calling a pound. Like, oh, well, this is our pound in South Dakota. It's seven pounds. It's a little heavier in South Dakota. Yeah, like what is that? You know what's it's it would be better for the athletes but i get the ufc's idea that they don't want to have like all these titles they don't want to have like 12

different titles they don't want it to be watered down but it's starting to be we got a bunch of interim champions right now don't we yeah yeah well listen those two that we had um this past weekend i don't see how anybody could argue with those. No, no, no. Those were great fights. Those were amazing. Wow. And I've been training alongside DP for a while.

Everybody knows who DP is already, but this, I think, puts him in a special category. For sure. To be the guy like Max, man. And to beat him the way he beat him, to stun him bad in that first round. And then just every time he connected he was rocking him i mean he just he really showed his power showed the difference between a 55 and a 45 and uh he just showed how he can crack i've been working with him for a while yeah i've seen him lay out dude stiff in the gym a lot you know he's got one of the higher body

counts for laying dudes out at att not even joking i believe it yeah yeah power another guy that would lay dudes stiff on the constant was hector man those guys got body counts yeah for the gym lombard yeah i can imagine he kind of spars hard yeah he spars a little hard he's a wild man he's also a freak athlete too yeah. Yeah. You know, I remember when Hector was laying people out in Bellator before he came over to the UFC. I mean, I think he fought his prime fights over there, really. That was at 85, too. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, 70 was a harsh cut for him. Brutal cut. He's so thick. Yeah. You know? Those fucking Cuban genetics, man. Yeah, that's what he looks like. Thickness.

Yeah. Joel, too, is another guy. Yes. All neck. Joel is ridiculous. 42 years old, can lay you out with any head. I can't even believe this is a real human. Whenever he weighs in, I'm like, what the fuck is this? He's such a specimen.

Scary dude, bro. I've been training along that guy too long. He's one of the freakier athletes. Oh, yeah. Him, Lombard. And to me, one of the best athletes I've ever seen that I've been around with. Not too many people know him, but he's a wild man. Like the wildest of the bunch.

He's the one that when he comes in the room, me, Joel, Hector, whoever's there that knows him, takes off the hat and goes, the guy's here. The man is here. It's Alexis Villa, bro. That guy's a freak athlete bro Yeah Two time world champion wrestler Olympic bronze medalist

But man that guy could play any sport man Like handball When did he How long has he been over at ATT? No no he's Right now he's He's beating a sentence right now He's doing a little bit of jail time for

For a crime that he didn't commit But he was fighting He fought in Bellator He beat Joe Warren Knocked him out Oh no shit Okay Alexis Villa

And man From pure athleticism This guy would do crazy stuff You know He played basketball With like a basketball high school team Just by like What the fuck

What weight does he compete in? He was at 125 and 135 Freak athlete Yeah Do some crazy stuff Yeah bro just by like, what the fuck? What weight does he compete in? He was at 125 and 135. Freak athlete. Yeah. Do some crazy stuff. Yeah, bro. Freak athlete, man. Yeah, there's some freak athletes

in the sport now. It's interesting to see the difference between the athletes from like 93, you know, and the first UFCs to now. It's a crazy difference. I still don't think

that we get the same caliber of athletes as the NFL or the NHL or rather NBA. Well, in different ways, yeah. Yeah. In different ways because we get the best and fastest guys from like 170 and down. Like those 45, 35-pounders, they're growing up either wrestling or boxing or doing something of that nature. They know they're not going to play basketball or football.

That's true. That's true. Yeah, that's true. Yeah. Yeah, we do have some pretty freaky lighter weight athletes Yeah, how old are you now? How old are you now? 34 34. How many more years you feel you're gonna be doing this? Comfortably, I'm gonna fight till I'm 38 at least four years and then if the money is right, I'll stick around, you know but at 38 I've I've

Lived this roller coaster long enough it's time to stop just dedicate your time like 20 18 pro yeah wow i had a couple amateur fights went pro and and enjoyed this roller coaster it's my favorite roller coaster what kind of training did you have before you went pro um just that somebody that had like maybe one or two pro fights and mma like advising you like i think you should be doing this man why don't we go chop trees and shit all right let's go do it you know whatever you have any fight training yeah i had fight training but it wasn't like structured you know um what was your first original martial art uh like as a kid my my uh dad had sucked me like

in anything you know martial arts because i was a very hyperactive individual, you know. So my dad is like, man, I got to stick this guy in something, you know. So they had me, like, in karate. What else had I done? Maybe some taekwondo. But I didn't get, like, far in a lot of these things because I'd start to excel in the programs, obviously, because of my natural aggressiveness.

But then in school, if I get in trouble with the grades or anything, my mom would be like, no, we got to take him out. It's only going to further the damage. We're not going to let him go there and be at peace. We're going to take him out every time he messes up at school. So I'd start doing good at the gym like two, three months and then get taken out, you know. So that was like a recurring thing until I got to like 14 years old,

and I was like, that's it, man. I need to be in the gym all day long. It's the only way to do it. So when did you – you had parts in your career where you took it more seriously? Oh, as a kid until I got to like 13, 14, I wasn't able to – like, Mom, I'm not going to school today. I'm going to the gym now, you know. Right around I got 14, I knew already more or less what I wanted to do.

I had already seen the UFC enough. And before the UFC ufc came out i was like i'm either gonna box or i'm gonna wrestle those two things are amazing the coolest things i've ever seen and then uh ufc comes out and blows my fucking mind i was like what the fuck is this bro you're getting paid for this and then i was hearing what they were getting paid at the time i was like man i could i could make a living off this i'm doing doing this. Fuck that, you know? And I invested everything I had ever since, you know, into this. Wow. So you keep saying the resurrection is a big thing that you're putting on, like, social media, the resurrection.

The resurrection. What is that about? Numerous things, you know. More on the personal side. Just cutting off a lot of bullshit out of my life, like tremendous amounts of it, you know, and focusing on what I got to do. You know, I've done a lot of stupid shit in my career, you know, just from being from having genetics and being blessed. And like, man, I can party all night long and park the car at the gym at 6 a.m. in the morning. I wake up at 10 a.m. and then kick everybody's ass in the workout room and i'm not talking shit because anybody works out

with me i'll tell you every day that i'm in there i'm a nightmare you know and then i go home and sleep a couple hours and then go back to the gym at night and do stupid shit like that you know i did that for a while and i've not that i was currently doing that but i did that a lot you know i abused my body your body a chance to really recover. You know? From that into like a million other dumb things. So I've just focused on just fighting, man. Just doing this 100%. You even cut out social media. Yeah, that I've cut out a long time ago.

But even more now, you know. For me, I'm not good with technology to start with. I'm not the greatest with the technology gizmo and stuff, man. Right. You know, you got the Elon Musk's of this world and you got me on the other spectrum, man. I'm not the greatest with the technology gizmo and stuff, man. Right. You know, you got the Elon Musks of this world and you got me on the other spectrum, man.

I just want to fight. I just want to do athletic things, sports. Call me up if you're going to go for a fucking five-hour hike, but if I got to send emails and shit,

I'm fucked. So I'm talking about social media. I don't know how many followers I got in there. It's a lot of pressure to keep up with this stuff, you know?

Right, so you just ignore it now. I don't know if I'm talking yet. I don't ignore it. I get on it. My manager stays on top of me, and he helps me out tremendously. But I was in the special classes in elementary, you know. I had the short bus, two teachers in my class, eight students, you know.

So you can't force me on this social media stuff, you know. Feels like I'm back in school. But you obviously are a smart dude. You're a smart dude. I can tell that from talking to you. And you're clearly smart from the way you fight. You know, there's no way you could fight the way you fight and be as creative as you are and not be intelligent it's just you're expressing it in a different way yeah yeah for sure for fighting yeah i definitely have to be smart there's no unless you're just some crazy

freak athlete you know for for fighting yeah i uh i definitely got like a good uh sense of what's good and what's bad you know yeah definitely have you always had that sense of what's good and what's got in terms of like have you always had good timing for sparring oh for for straight the my most gifted ability that god said here is boxing since the first day i walked into the boxing ring maybe like uh three weeks later was the first time I would let this guy spar you know and they put me to spar and I remember there was a couple coaches that didn't know me they were handling already the the boxing team for that program and uh I used to go to the state sponsored program which was like 40 for the whole year you

had access to the gym three four hours a day and it was like perfect you know it was the best thing that could happen to me so it was a lot of good talent and then we had a couple national champions come out of the program and i remember my first sparring session sparring the coach is coming up to me he goes hey man how many amateur fights you gotta go no i've never fought in my life i go what all right come over here man and start working with you and it was like immediate you know and i just had like a natural born radar where i could see the punches in slow motion you know i didn't know at the time how to react to them right you know just trying to get out of the way and it would just work you know and still to this day i have that same radar so i'm that's just a blessing god

gave me and also from the ass whoopings my mother used to give me because when the belt would come with a metal buckle and the shoes that that's the first test of the reflexes. When I get home at 2 in the morning, I was like 12, 13 years old. My mom would be waiting for me. Dodge the broom time. You've obviously put more work into, though. Oh, yeah. It's not just this whole resurrection.

You seem more focused definitely more focused i've always been like ultra focused when i got a fight you know like nothing for forever in all my career like i got a fight that's i'm gonna make it to every single practice it's on my schedule if i got two practices today and three tomorrow and whatever it is i'm always gonna do it outside of fighting though like once i don't have a fight those seven eight weeks madness would happen fucking stupid shit you know so you know that that gets you into trouble that gets you out of shape i'm fucking yeah i love to eat you know right that's another fucking huge problem right yeah i love to eat too much maybe

what's the heaviest you've ever gotten in between fights? It was recently. Right before I went on this reality show, I checked my weight. I was at a staggering two sexy. You know, it was time to cut the weight, man. It was just too much, man. What reality show was this? I went on my manager, Abe, got me this deal. We were having trouble. This was after the Thompson fight.

We couldn't really get a matchup. Couldn't get a fight that I wanted. I wanted, like, a tough fight, and they were kind of offering me, like, ultimate fighters and things like that. No disrespect to them. At that stage in my career, I want the hardest fighter, the best fighter that I can get. And he calls me up one day.

He said, hey, I got this reality show. And I was like, oh, awesome. Click. And calls me back the next day. What? Don't hang up yet? Listen to me. up one day he said hey i got this reality show and i was like oh awesome click you know and uh calls me back the next day yeah what don't hang up yet listen to me you know um i think you might like this it's not like that it's not like a jersey shorts like a competitive like you're gonna compete against people i'm like no no thanks bro you know and then we talked like a week later what's going on did i get a fight no we can't get you no fight yet unless you want to fight joe blow

or this guy you know i'm like i've already been sitting out seven months nursing my injuries i'm already thinking yeah i'll fight whoever it is you know so while this is going on the reality shows pitching numbers at us they keep increasing the number every time they get to a decent number they talk to my manager my manager talks to me he's like i can't get you no fight right now that you want why don't you just go there a couple weeks one or two weeks collect these paychecks come back and that's it you know and uh the the reality shows like you go through like a parkour um kind of obstacles and then at the end you gotta aim so while your heart rate's all up you'd have to like knock down water bottles with a frisbee or football or something like that but the cool part is that i'm up against olympic gymnasts parkour dudes, tennis players, soccer players.

All types of athletes were just mixed in there and were just all competing in this thing. So it was pretty cool. It was an awesome experience. I ended up lasting 13 weeks in the show, and the show ran for about 15 weeks. So I got pretty far deep in it. And the coolest thing was that I got to be alone by myself

because one of the things is there's no cell phone, there's no TV, there's no music on the the show so it's just the interaction of us and outside of that that's it that's your only interactions you don't have no interactions with the town people or nothing they strictly forbid that you know they want you like cage up so it was awesome I thought you know after a while it was the best I'd go work out in the nature be by myself in the mountains or in the beach and just chilling and you really get to notice yourself and that's why i call it the resurrection because i thought about like all the negative dumb things that i've done in my life and just let me eliminate them whether i like

them in my life or not let me just eliminate that shit and that's it you know that's why we call it the resurrection you know yeah well that fight with till man if anybody had any doubts that fight erased all of them and that was uh i I mean, Till was top five, right? When you knocked him out. I believe so. Number three, yeah. Yeah. And so that puts you in the hunt now.

And what a crazy goddamn division that is now. Yes, sir. I mean, we got Robbie Lawler, who's about to fight Tyron Woodley again. They're going to have a rematch. That's a crazy fucking fight it's a crazy fight usman is waiting to see who's gonna be next for him at 170 now that he's the champ i mean wonder boy uh just got KO'd by pettis which is crazy that was crazy and now rda which is a ranked seven pounder is gonna fight He's going to fight the 55.

I just forgot his name right now. Kevin Lee. Oh, yeah. Kevin Lee is going to go up to 70 now. Those are the things that throw me off. If Pettis stays at 70, awesome, right? But if he goes down to 55, it kind of makes it more of a weird setup. And same thing with Kevin Lee.

I don't know if he's staying up at 70 or he's doing, like, a one-time, one-night stand thing, you know. He's staying. According to him, when I talked to him, he just had – it was just too hard for him. It was like 55 just ruined him. Every time he got down there, he made – well, you've met him. He's big. Yeah.

He's a big guy. Yeah. And he's walking around like 185 easy, maybe more, and thick. You know, it's not like – man, there's not a lot of weight there that you can cut off. 30 fucking pounds. Yeah, see, if he stays, no problem. I love it thick you know it's not like man there's not a lot of weight there that you can cut off 30 fucking pounds if he stays no problem I love it

you know but when it's when they come and go it's like fucks with the division yeah it makes it a labyrinth yeah I don't understand

why the UFC is so reluctant to have more weight classes I really don't get it like Dana said that the 165 pound weight class will never happen

while he's running the UFC and he's going to be running it for the next seven years, he said. Was it ESPN plus Kevin Lee's want to make Rafael Dos Anjos fight at 165? He's asking them to see if they can make a backroom deal to just both weigh in at 165 instead of 170, just to sort of force it. What? That's not forcing it.

That doesn't even make any sense. That's so weird. I mean, five pounds is not that much of a difference. It's not. But it would be nice if there was a 10-pound gap. I don't know. They both, I mean, Del Sanjos has fought successfully at 170. He looked great when he fought Lawler.

Beat Magnum, too. Yeah, but I feel like he's probably a guy that should be 165, too. You know? They can make it like a 162 or something. Yeah. 163, something like that. Yeah. I don't know.

We'll probably just fucking whistle it in the window. They have their ideas. Look, I don't want to run that business. I don't want to tell them what to do. Fuck running that. Imagine being running the UFC. What a nightmare that would be. Depends how much money you can pay for it right i guess still once you have all that money for a few years and then you're dealing with high blood pressure and your fucking panic

attacks in the middle of the night they got things for high blood pressure they're pretty good they do yeah yeah marijuana that does help what's it like in florida getting weed is it hard now florida's a fucking mafia man and i'm gonna get killed for this but you know every state went That does help. What's it like in Florida getting weed? Is it hard now? Florida's a fucking mafia, man. And I'm going to get killed for this. But you know, every state went legal and had the flower and shit. We only had wax. That's it?

That's it, man. And that's for medical, right? Yeah, for medical. They're literally about to become. I think flower just became legal in Florida or it's about to become legal. Medical, right? Yeah, medical. Yeah, no just smoking the smoke. legal in florida or it's about to become legal one of the two right yeah medical yeah yeah no uh no just smoking the smoke i wonder if they're gonna be easy with the medical recommendations the way they used to be for opiates opiates you'd be able to just you'd be able to get oxys with

like just go to a doctor one of those little pain management centers oh in florida yeah oh yeah i'm wondering how hard it's going to be to get weed because obviously there's someone who's spending some money trying to keep it from being fully legal there. Yes. Yeah. And I think a big part of it is because like South Florida culture, there's a lot of natural growers over there. They grew like it's always been a big business. It's illegal, of course, to grow marijuana in Florida and sell it, you know, especially in Miami, Florida. And a lot of people did this.

So I think when the rules came about legalizing medically marijuana, they said, we're not going to have plants because everybody's going to grow plants. And, you know, it's like we can't really charge them because it's legal, you know. So that's why I think they did the wax. You can't grow the wax in the air. It's hard to manufacture. Yeah, I guess. And I don't really agree. It's like smoking wax. Like somebody giving me wax, like, oh,, I guess. And I don't really agree in smoking wax.

Somebody giving me wax, like, oh, here, smoke this. I don't really know what's in there. It always feels like from cocaine to crack, people thought, oh, it's still cocaine

and then you're fucking crackhead. So the wax always, I don't care how many times somebody tells me, no, this is super safe, I get it, but I'd rather the flower

if I'm going to smoke. Yeah, it's pure. But apparently, one of the things they're dealing with in California is pesticides. Yeah. Some weed, you know, grown by shitty growers has pesticides on it. You're smoking these pesticides. I mean, this is why it should be legal, so you could test things. Exactly.

Test things and find out what's pure and what's not. Make things organic. Only the best of the best make it to that other side. Yeah. I don't know. It's just weird. It's weird that it's so easy to get opiates in Florida. It's so hard to get weed.

I wouldn't know nothing about that. I wouldn't know nothing about that either. So when you look at the landscape now, you're obviously in the running for a shot at the title. Has anybody given you any indication of what you would have to do to get a shot at Usman or to be next in line? Well, the next one is this idiot. I won't even mention his name on your show because I'm not going to make him famous. He's a fucking idiot, you know. But fight this guy and then go for the title.

That's what they told me. So you have to fight somebody else? Yeah. What does his name rhyme with? Dolby? No, no, no. That guy? You don't want to say who it is?

No, I was trying to think of something. Oh, Leon Edwards? No, no, no. He just made that guy famous too. I think you made him famous a couple weeks ago. I know. Who? Schman.

Who? Schman, yeah. Oh, that's right. You're supposed to fight at Ben Askren in July. That fucking dork. You don't like him? Not one bit. Really?

Not one bit, no. Not as a person. Why did I forget that fight was scheduled? That fucking dork. You don't like him? Not one bit. Really? Not one bit, nah. Not as a person. Why did I forget that fight was scheduled? What's the problem with Ben Askren? He's that new age, you know, and he's like a fucking 40-year-old science teacher, too. I don't know why he asked for his new age. But he's like these new age dudes that just fucking talk. Like, just talk and talk and talk about everybody.

Shut the fuck up because when you when when somebody sees you in person you're not that guy and like i said i'm not i don't come from this technology world i come from like if you if you say like yo fucking joe you're a fucking idiot where are you gonna punch me in the face where i better be ready for it you know i'm just not going around disrespecting people. I get taught respect because if not, somebody's going to make you respect, you know?

Right. But these guys nowadays, they grow up with these little things and they can just say whatever the fuck they want. Words carry weight, especially my kids can read your stupid comments.

You know, my kids have access to the internet now. I just don't like them. You know, one incident I remind you, when Khabib won the title, right?

And Ben immediately comes out, I'm Khabib's kryptonite. I would smash him or something like that. For starters, you're a 70-pounder, you fucking moron. He's a 55-pounder, and you're not even in the UFC, you know? He's that type of guy, an attention whore. Look at me, look at me. I don't even like his fighting style. I like a lot of wrestlers' style because if that's what you did and you're imposing it and winning, awesome.

But when your sole purpose is just to hug somebody's leg as hard as you can, and then I don't know what you think about the Robbie fight, but he didn't win that fight in my eyes, you know. Robbie was not asleep. We watched that fight several times. We watched that fight several times. I thought that Robbie was asleep for a second, and then Usman showed it to me, and then I changed my mind,

and then Herb Dean came on and talked about it, And I changed my mind again because Herb Dean was saying that what he was concerned with was the way the arm dropped and that it was a cervical lock. Essentially when you have a bulldog choke, it puts, it puts a, some serious leverage on your neck. He's like, and he's seen guys go out from that and their whole body goes paralyzed.

And he saw a guy, uh, where that happened to and he came back he is he got his movement back again but for a while it was pretty fucking scary so he was getting choked out you know by getting his neck pinched it was pinching down the nerve he was worried that that was happening with robbie he said the way his arm dropped he goes it wasn't normal and he goes and he gave me some serious concern uh ben askren said that he let go of the choke a little bit when herb came over to

him because he thought herb was going to stop it because he thought robbie was out and he thinks that during that time when he let go robbie came back to life which could have happened i don't know it's hard for me to say but i feel like in herb dean situation i think he did the right thing because the arm dropping was fucking weird and yeah the arm dropping was fucking weird. Yeah, the arm dropping was a little weird. Yeah. But he wasn't out. I've never seen nobody go to sleep doing this. I've seen people go to sleep. Ashley Evans Smith went to sleep.

With the thumbs up? With the thumbs up. But here's what Herb said that made sense. He goes, was it the thumbs up? He goes, I want a thumbs up. If someone looks at me, I want this. I want this. It's not, is your arm down in that position? He goes, was it this?

Did he do this? Or was his arm down? I don't know. Only Robbie knows whether or not he was out. He says he wasn't. So you have to also say he's in the middle of war. Exactly. If it's up to me, I want the guy to go peace sign with the Chiefs.

The guy's defending a choke. That's true. That was the other thing that Herb said. He didn't grab for the choke. He said the natural defense would be to get his hands on the hands and try to separate them. He didn't do that. But that's Herb's natural defense. Maybe Robbie, because he's seen this guy do it, has a fucking thing.

Maybe Robbie can't be put to sleep from there. There's guys that are weird like that. There's just certain positions they could go three minutes, you're choking choking them and then they don't go to sleep maybe robbie's that guy all i know is he wasn't sleeping yeah well that's what robbie said robbie said that he was waiting for ben to tire his arms out that's what he said he said he felt the squeeze so the squeeze is really tight but he's like i'll just let him gas his arms out here that was his thought look i mean michael kiesa said that when kevin lee got his back and they stopped the fight before he went out he said i let my hands go because i was concentrating on

my neck i was just tightening up my neck and and trying to to keep my blood flowing i think that one was a little different that was a rear naked you know yeah it was different so that's you're gonna go to sleep eventually and that one let a guy go to sleep like that one you should let a guy go to sleep let him yeah nothing happens you just wake him right up hey you went to sleep no big maybe they pee their pants while they're asleep no big deal there's certain neck cracks where you just go no but that one's not gonna put you in a wheelchair especially not from ben's ass man So your take is on all of this trash-talking, media-hype shit that you see going on now. You don't like it. I don't.

I don't. I think I fast-forward. It's distasteful right now to a certain point. But if you just fast-forward to the guys like me when I was 14 years old watching this sport, now you're looking at the dudes right now doing it. You're going to grow up and think, oh, I got to do the same shit. I just got to fucking talk

a shitload of shit. I don't really got to go to the gym that much. Just got to have a banging, lit social network account and I'm fucking golden, you know? And we see it, you know? Sage North, for example, you know?

Great talent and stuff. But what he was getting paid out didn't make sense to a lot of the fighters you know why why was he getting paid so much because of social media is but is he really bringing in those people into the chairs and into the tv because you have a lot of likes you know so things that i wonder not like to diss the girls or nothing but sometimes girls have like tremendous amount of followers you know do those numbers translate to viewers on the tv or

or like butts in seats or any of that like i i would like to know you know and a lot of times when i've asked like people in the ufc and stuff they say no those numbers don't translate so why do they get more money you know i'm not talking about the girls getting more money you know something about guys that have like a social media presence that are just getting more money well don't you think it's kind of translate a certain amount no i'm sure it does i'm sure it does like guys like colby colby's got to translate i mean he talks so much shit he you know gets people excited about the fights there's something to it i don't know i just i appreciate what you're saying though and i look i appreciate the way

one fc handles things because they concentrate on just fighters being honorable and fighting their best and fighting the best fighters they can fight. And they don't emphasize that shit talking at all. They emphasize the martial arts aspect of it. I get it. Me and you don't like each other. Jon Jones in D.C. I love it because you can feel these guys don't like each other. Yeah, you feel it.

They fucking kill each other, you know? But to me, it's okay. Everybody's doing it. When Max Holloway fought Dustin, there was none of that. There was just two guys who were the best in their weight class. I mean, Max is the best 145-pounder ever, and Dustin Poirier is absolutely one of the best 155-pounders alive, and they're going to go after it.

And it was beautiful. Dogs, two dogs. It was beautiful. No barking, just biting and fighting. Shaking hands, full respect before and after. And I get a lot of people like they have that uh i hate you syndrome going into the fight so they don't want to shake hands like fuck you i don't like you you know but when when they're giving so much attention to that wwf stuff and

right pushing you to the forefront that i don't really like you know and just to think that the kids watching it are going to be even worse they're going to do it to the next power you know did did you get upset i mean when when you went over and got into a fight with leon you were being interviewed he was yelling some shit at you while you're being interviewed and you walked over and one of the one of the things that i like what you said is you walked over your hands behind your back You're like look Talk Say what the fuck you want to say to me But then when he was standing in front of you

Like he wanted to punch you You're like okay Well You know for a start What was he saying to you? Well initially I was doing my interview And he's crossing by

And he's with his corner man And I don't know If this guy consumes a lot of drugs or what That he thought that that would intimidate him. He was walking like this, looking at me and like pacing back and forth. And I'm trying to do my interview, you know. And he asked me something about something, a date.

And I say, maybe, maybe not. And then he tells me to shut up. You know, everybody watching this back home from Miami was like, you should have punched him as soon as he asked you a question while you're interviewing because that's my natural instinct you know if you're getting interviewed and some fucking idiot comes here and cuts your interview off well you should get punches slapped upside your head you know that'll teach you respect not to do it to nobody else again i should immediately done it but i didn't i answered this question politely maybe maybe not he goes on to say, shut up after that. I can't take that.

My daughter might be watching this interview. I've been telling her, stand up to bullies your whole life. Don't go running to somebody and tell them, so-and-so is picking on me. Handle it yourself. That's what's wrong with this country, I think, with this whole somebody picks on you, go tell somebody else. I'm not going to tell authorities this hooligan's picking on me. I'm going to handle it myself, you know, because I'm going to see him again. He's going to think he can pick on me. Got to handle it myself, you know i'm gonna see him again he's gonna think he could pick on me gotta handle it myself you know i'm in my interview man you're gonna steal my moment i just worked out here just kick some butt out here you barely want a split

decision in your own country i knocked this dude out and you're trying to steal my shine like this that's what i'm saying like and then he got famous off that which i hate so only thing i could take back about that night that it wasn't filmed. If they hadn't filmed it, it'd be even better, you know? He would have just gone off in silence, you know? Leon got his ass bleached. But I think it helped you, too. Did it help me?

Yeah, but it helped him more than anything. Nah. Yeah. No, it helped you. People know who this hooligan is. People know Masvidal doesn't take any shit. People have known that since. They know, but they like to see it.

Before Rainbows had color, they already knew that, man. They didn't need to see me whooping to know that they know that but they like to see it Since before rainbows had color They already knew that man They didn't need to see me whooping To know that People like to see it They like to see it They like to get remembered huh Yeah They like to see people

Have consequences for shit talking In this weird era Of constant shit talking You know I think people enjoy it They like it And if you guys ever fight It makes it a bigger fight for sure.

I guess, man. You know? I guess. But does that, like, I beat number three. I've been in this sport for a while. I've been beating up guys. Would that validate him to fight me? Not yet.

He hasn't beaten a top ten guy yet. No. He's still yet to beat a top ten guy, you know? But he could get that fight off that. That's a new age and era that we're in, you know? Right. That's that fight off that that that's a new age and era they were right you know right that's a concern yeah that's a concern i'll fight when when his when he's beating the top 10 guy i'm gonna be the first guy to expose him to break his face but until that moment comes you're talking about the business side because you already saw on the personal side any day of the week i will address you but on the business side get to my level buddy put in

the fucking word go be the top 10 guy knock him the fuck out did you worry at all about getting in trouble for punching someone in another country i was scared out of my fucking life yeah that's what i'm thinking i was scared i thought this guy was gonna kill me man i might have not looked it but i was scared out of my life yeah i get it i'm very cold-blooded you know i get that from from genetics from my my pops and them but I was scared out of my life Yeah I get it I'm very cold blooded You know I get that from From genetics

From my pops and them But I was scared out of my mind I thought this guy Was going to take everything I had You know You had to do that I had to defend myself I understand it

I understand But did you worry at all About them arresting you Or any weird shit Like that over there I mean you're in another country I wanted to press charges Ah

That's how scared I was But I'm not going to press charges Because I understand I'm a man Yeah But that's how I felt You's how scared I was, but I'm not going to press charges because I'm a man. Yeah. But that's how I felt. So you were in danger.

I was fucking hell of in danger. Did you not see? It was not just one assailant. It was him and his crew of hooligans. Ah, hooligans. Lawless people. I had to defend myself. I did everything in my right to defend myself.

It was one against like three or four dudes, and they know it. It's on video. Okay. I understand. I understand. And so the what the police say to that oh then you tell me nothing man they didn't tell you i didn't speak to no polices that's amazing no no police for me no talking to people anyways you started me up in the spanglish immediately we're going mute and not picking english okay no picking english yeah i mean how many times you fought england before well first No, no, no We go on mute And not pick English Huh? Que? Not pick English Yeah, I mean

How many times have you fought in England before? First time Yeah, so like If you go the rest of your career And you can't go to England Oh well No, that would suck though I really liked England

Did you? Fans were so knowledgeable And they were just cool Even the ones that were like Till fans Would say like a funny joke to me Or something cool But it wasn't like that

Weird, bad energy You know, even if they were Till there were till fans right oh my boy till's gonna get you you know but it'd be like funny and how they say cheeky you know it was a great experience everywhere i went the people were super super duper cool yeah um brazil's rough if someone's fighting a brazilian yeah they don't they don't i've heard the story they're super nationalistic and proud. Very proud. So they're not into people coming over there and fighting Brazilians. They're not going to be friendly to you.

But England's different, man. They're very polite. Very knowledgeable, too. Yeah. They're one of the countries that's been around for a while with the sport. Yeah. What did you think about that Stylebender-Gaslam fight? Oh, that was pretty good, man.

That was wild shit. That was pretty good. Tested. Both. Both tested, exactly. Yeah, that was pretty good, man. That was wild shit. That was pretty good. Tested. Both. Both tested, exactly. Yeah, both tested. Gaslam's got a ton of heart, man. Phew!

He's a tank. Was nobody going to get mad at him if in the fifth round he said, you know what? Yeah. He just fucking didn't stop. Dug in. Survived. I mean, incredible. It looked like Stylebender was going to take him out several times.

Yeah. I mean, what a fight. And to have Kelvin land the first big shot early on and drop Stylebender and show him some real adversity and let him know, hey, man, you can get knocked the fuck out in this fight. That was a real awesome moment, man. What a fight, too, man. Back and forth. Yeah. Ooh, so much chaos.

And to have Kelvin head kick him and rock him how about that shit the thing that really rocks stylebender was a fucking head kick from kelvin i thought kelvin would press him up against the cage maybe get a takedown but just definitely keep him up against the cage and work him there you know with his wrestling background when i didn't i didn't see that going like that you know yeah um there was some wild scrambles on the ground too style bennett threw up that fucking triangle like whoa he's got a game on the ground no he's a gifted athlete and fast as fuck man and more than just gifted you could tell he puts in the work a hundred percent he's smart as fuck yeah he's smart and

creative and just has a broad encyclopedia of, first of all, striking knowledge. But obviously, when he went to the ground, he knew what the fuck to do, man. He was throwing up triangles. He locked Kelvin up in a triangle. They're slippery, and it's the end of the fight. And he popped out of it. Obviously, Kelvin used the right technique to get out of it, too. But that was a serious fucking triangle attempt.

It was a serious fight, man. That was a good fight. Serious fight. You pay your hard-earned money for that fight oh yeah well i hope um enough people got a chance to watch it because i don't know what that espn plus debacle was because apparently there were a bunch of people that couldn't get it like there was because you got assigned right to the app and there was some crashes and some people wouldn't work on their device and they had to order it online then it still didn't work so all pay-per-views now are bought through espn yes whoa i didn't know that i thought it was just like some no it's all of them from now on so if you have direct tv tough shit you got to get it through espn plus i think it's a good move because i think in the future

that's where everything's going to be i think the ufc just way ahead of it. Whereas most people are still at boxing matches and shit. You're getting most of them. You're getting them off of pay-per-view on DirecTV or cable or whatever the fuck you use. But now they're using that DAZN. DAZN has a lot of fights you get from that app. A lot of boxing matches. They're the ones who signed Canelo to that huge, huge deal. They signed Triple G.

So they're doing a lot of streaming shit too. They're the ones who signed Canelo to that huge, huge deal. They signed Triple G. Yes. So they're doing a lot of streaming shit too. Yeah. I saw a commercial with them the other day. They've been busters with Tracy Morgan, I think. Yeah. Yeah. Streaming, I think, is the future. And I think that's why DAZN got way ahead of it.

And then ESPN Plus is getting way ahead of it too. I think they see where they're riding on the wall is. Yeah. Just from here to there, it's going to take a little bit little bit of time yeah everybody's used to just pay-per-view direct tv you know or whatever comcast people are going to get used to having their tv connected to the internet there's a lot of fucking people that don't have their tv connected to the internet you know so once people start using yeah once people start using like apple tv and connect through that and then get the app through apple or use uh you know uh android or whatever the fuck they use to get online it'll be normal to have that on your tv in five years yeah but right now it's it's rough if

you don't have that you want to see the fights or if you come from the stone age like me and you got an internet labyrinth, it gets crazy, man. Yeah, I wonder how the pay structure works. Like, say if you get a title fight. Say you beat Askren and then you get a title fight with Usman. What, I mean, how do they do that with ESPN Plus as opposed to, like, pay-per-view points or something like that? That's so true, man. How does that work?

Yeah, look at you. You're in pain. No, I'm using brain power. That's what true, man. How does that work? Yeah, look at you. You're in pain. No, I'm using brain power. That's what I'm saying. That requires energy. Yeah. That's why there's this gentleman by the name of Abraham Kawai. Let him deal with all that, man.

It's a good move. Yeah. Let Abe handle it. Yeah, he's been there, done that, negotiated bigger contracts than mine. So just, hey, bro, take care of this man, you know? Now, this askren fight um you're you're fighting him in july what is that july 6th yes sir um when do you like how much of a camp do you give yourself how much of like a fully dedicated just all-in camp all day every

day all day every day if you look at him from a skill set, Ben's not even worth waking up before like 10 a.m. in the morning. But I don't like this dude, man. Before my alarm goes off, I'm already awake. I want to break his fucking face, man. I want to break his fucking rib cage. And I don't want to knock him out early on. I just want to torture that guy, man. If I get the chance to torture him him 14 minutes and 50 seconds before i

stop him that's what i'm gonna do man you know i just i don't like the dude at all i met him a long time ago he's a fucking prick man i don't like him man there's not too many people that i genuinely dislike he's one of them you know if i was to see him right now If I was to see him right now, probably wouldn't be too friendly of a greeting, you know. Now, do you base this on how he talks shit and just plays around, tries to hype things up, or have you had a real conversation with him? Combination of things, you know. Like, I'm the type of dude that if we train, you go to American Top Team, Joe, and let's say I get lucky and I tap you out twice. I'm not going to ever tell nobody that because that's not my glory moment.

That's just fucking training. I don't give a fuck about that. I already forgot about that. But there's some people that violate that man code of Jim. They go, I went to American Top Team. He's that type of pussy. He's talking about Jim's stories. He came over to American Top Team after I dumped him on his head we kept wrestling he out scrambled me and he said it yeah you beat me wrestling but we were straight wrestling

two-time national champion you're proud of that you're telling people that you know and uh that just shows me his character you know he's not he's not who he pretends to be and then he talks so much online then i could have respected him a little bit if he had held to his guns. But I see him in London. And as soon as I see him, I start walking towards him. He goes, hey, man, I'm going to spare you. I'm not going to say nothing until after your fight. Ben, don't do me no fucking favors, bro.

You're not doing me no favors. Say whatever the fuck you want when you want it, you know. And I addressed him and I went up to talk to him. And UFC got involved. He put his head down and they escorted him out of the hotel and he never came back to that hotel you know and he actually wished me good luck at some point too like right before like why are you doing this man you're not that person on on on social media that you portray to be you're not you know so you're fake as fuck you're selling something to the public that is not there obviously and you're a coward fuck You're selling something to the public That is not there obviously

And you're a coward Fuck it let's throw that in there too And if people don't believe me Tune in July 6th I'll show you how much of a coward he is Just to play devil's advocate Don't you think that what he's doing Is smart marketing

To play devil I know you don't like it I know you don't like it But to play devil's advocate But it's corny though When he looks back It's corny Like though. When he looks back, it's corny. Like, ain't nobody going, oh.

He just wants validation. He wants to be accepted, you know. I think half of what he's doing is corny on purpose. All that boom roasted shit. Come on, man. Half of that stuff is corny on purpose. No, no, no. That guy, you haven't seen him.

You haven't hung around with him. That guy's just fucking corny. It's in his DNA, bro. I like him. You can't. I like talking to You haven't hung around with him. That guy's just fucking corny. It's in his DNA, bro. I like him. You can't. I like talking to him. He's a smart motherfucker. He might be smart, man, but he's a corny motherfucker, bro.

You know? And he's cocky for all the wrong reasons. I just can't wait. I love the fact that you're a purist like this, though. I really do. I want to hurt that dude, man. I know you do. I want to hurt that dude, man.

It's going to be a great fight. It's one of those interesting fights because you've got good wrestling, takedown defense. You've got very good wrestling. You've got very good takedowns yourself. But you clearly have a big advantage in striking. So it's one of those, can he impose his will? Can he get a hold of you?

He's going to get a hold of these fucking nuts, man. This dude, bro. You're gonna get a hold of these fucking nuts man I've had numerous people talk shit to me in the past, but they'll say to my face and man I gain respect for you Right cool, bro. I'm a punk or whatever you call you said it to my fucking face, you know But you say it online. It's just the whole way it gets set up I you say it online then when you see me what's up hey how are you picture picture man

fucking kidding me man what the fuck is it where I feel like I've been brought out from like a twilight zone from a different dimension sometimes

cause a lot of these rapper fighters that you see acting like criminals on on the social media when they see me hey what's up bro let me get a picture

of fucking fanboyed out i go man i could have sworn you were just mentioning my name saying some shit bro that's fucking nuts to me it blows my mind right i'm such a simpleton bro it just blows my mind every time no you're a purist i don't know if it's a purist simple i don't know where you want to put me but it's not. You just don't want to play that game. You're not interested in that game. It's mind-blowing. Yeah. Listen, Khabib's not interested in that fucking game either.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. When he was on top of Conor, let's talk now. Bam. Let's talk. Come on, Conor. Let's talk. Let's talk now. I love that shit.

Same shit. Purist. I love it. I love that shit, bro. I do. I appreciate when that shit-talking has consequences. Yes. I like some shit-talking, though.

It's fun. It makes it exciting. I like shit-talking when you back it up. Yeah. Back that shit talking has consequences. I like some shit talking, though. It's fun. It makes it exciting. I like shit talking when you back it up. Yeah. Back that shit up. Yeah. Now you see me in a hallway lobby and fucking run to security and get escorted out.

Who's the guy you fought in the past you had the most beef with before you actually fought? I don't know I never really had like Real beef Nah So not like this fight Like Till and you

Went back and forth A little bit right No no no No We went back and forth Like hey you wanna fight Yeah let's do it Alright fuck it

Boom boom boom But we never But it was pretty respectful Yeah Yeah Till's a cool dude man What about Cowboy Cowboy I Cowboy.

I mean, yeah, a little bit of beef, you know. Nothing crazy. Like, if I see him on the street, we're going to start fucking fighting or nothing, you know. Is that what you mean by, like, beef? Or just, like, we were going back and forth? Yeah, like, talking shit to each other. Like, where it gets emotional. Yeah, you're right.

Me and Cowboy were talking a lot of shit back and forth to each other. You know. Yeah. Yeah. It's coming from genuine places from both sides, you know. So, it was good. It made, it gave that fire it gave that fire you know yeah yeah that's definitely one it came from like a little bit of but not like this askren one i respect the cowboy going into that fight you know obviously i think he's a fucking stud bro and he proves it again by having the most wins most knockouts and missions dudes

a stud i i don't think askren is even yet to get a win in the ufc you know i i just think about it like if i had fought robbie lawler which was a great champion and has done amazing things in the sport since the start of robbie till now by the guy still fighting man i remember watching him in the ufc back back in the day knocking out 37 and a half what the fuck this guy that's what he came seen 37 and a half. What the fuck? That's when he came along. 37 and a half. Still fucking laying people the fuck out. And looked amazing.

Yeah. Looked fucking amazing. Looked amazing physically when he hoisted Askerin up in the air and dumped him on his head. And then started just driving his fucking knuckles through his brain. And it shows you how tough Askerin is. The dude's durable as fuck, man. He handled that. He's built for survival.

Even by his body type, you can tell, like, physiologically, he's just built for a guy like me to put him under the radar. Like, oh, this guy's not a threat. Look at him. You know? But it's not going to work. I already know what to do to this guy and just fucking hurt him, man. Even the way he's fucking built is for patheticness, man. But let's skip the subject, man.

Let's go to somebody else man I'm gonna make this guy Famous on your show That's too late Too late Well listen man When they put his picture up On the marquee

He gets a big pop It's crazy People love Askren I I guess I don't know I haven't seen that They loved him before

He fought in the UFC too I've never seen that Cause I I saw in England And Man in England They fucking hated his ass, man. They were booing him out of the fucking stage and shit.

Because he looks like he belongs there. Right? He looks like, ah, you left us, lad. He looks like an English guy, doesn't he? I guess, man. I mean, doesn't that, like, what do you think his nationality is, Askren? He looks like he probably has some English in him. Yeah, sure.

Curly hair. A lot of English dudes have curly hair. Forrest over there. Yeah. You got to admit that the dude's got a wild-ass wrestling style. Wrestling style. It's funky. Yeah, it's very unusual.

Very effective. You know he's going to have that wrestling match with Jordan Burroughs. He's going to get smashed. Is that before or after yours? I think it's before. Does that concern you? He might get injured doing that? I don't give a fuck. If if he does that's because he faked the injury out you know he knows what he's doing he's a big boy you know it's like if you're gonna fight joel romero and uh one of

your teammates might come up to you and tell you like hey man i think you should fake the injury i know drake joel romero just fake the injury and cop out of that fight you don't want no no problems with that guy you know so that might be what he's trying to do. Who knows, man? Damn. That fucking 185-pound division with Romero in it. What a division now. Now with Stylebender

and Gastelum and then Stylebender's going to fight Whitaker and I hope Yoel fights Boricina. They're supposed to fight, right? Paulo Costa? They're supposed to fight.

I don't know. I thought he... I know he's going to fight Jac right? Paulo Costa, they're supposed to fight. I don't know. I know he's going to fight Jacare, then Joel got hurt. And Yoel was supposed to fight Paulo first, but then someone got hurt there. It might have been Paulo, but Paulo's healed up again, and the Jacare fights out. And so they set a new fight up for Jacare. So Jacare's got an opponent and now Yoel doesn't. Man.

It's a fucking crazy division though. Yeah. That division's a real shark tank. To tell you the truth I would like to see Yoel fight for the title because I feel like not to take nothing away

from Whitaker because I think he's one of the baddest dudes on the planet. I feel like Yoel won. I feel like he won too. The second fight. I think so. Straight up Whitaker won. think he's one of the baddest dudes on the planet I feel like you all won I feel like you won too the second fight the first fight straight up Whitaker won the second one I straight up thought Jewel won I was actually there in his corner and uh I was like oh we got this wow you know he won the third round won the fourth won the fifth and also with the new scoring damage yes with the new damage with the new significant damage I think I don't

know if they use the new score cards the new method, but if they did and he didn't win, then it's a real travesty. But he had him hurt. There wasn't no 10-8 rounds, no 10-7 rounds. That's the big difference in that fight, in my opinion. Robert Whitaker for sure scored. He fought well. He won rounds. But when Yoel hurt him, he really

fucking hurt him. And there was no moments like that for Whitaker where he had Yoel staggered and almost out. Whitaker's a fucking beast, though, man. A beast. Super intelligent dude, I think, when he fights, man. Him and Stylebender's going to be very unusual because that's a big step up to go from Stylebender to go from the very first fight in the UFC, which was only like a year and a half ago, all the way up to Robert Whitaker in a year and a half. It's amazing.

It's an amazing step up. Whitaker's- Something special. ... shit, man. Yeah. And he's another guy that was 170, just cutting way too much weight. Way too much. Couldn't do it.

Went up to 185 and really found his own place. Yeah. So many guys, I think, they're in that category where they'd be healthier if they went up. Yeah. Oh, yeah. But when you saw Holloway versus poyer did you get the impression that really holloway should stay at 145 um yes and no because i i know personally dp so i i know he packs a punch so i don't think it's like oh your career 55 is done max no you

fought one of the the more clever powerful punchers because one of the better boxers yeah one of the better boxers and and to the knitting grit of it man dp is like a brawler you know he likes to brawl but an intelligent one you know yeah he wants to hit you as much as he can without getting hit very greedy you know and uh i think it was just a bad fight for max i think max is fucking there's a lot of guys max murders at 155 i think think. I think so, too. I think so, too. But I think at 145, he's almost unstoppable. Yeah, I don't even know how he makes 145.

I don't know how he makes it either. But when he gets down there, man, he's just something special. It doesn't seem to diminish him in his performance. If you look at his performance against Ortega, he can make it. He can make that weight. And once he once he gets there man good luck catching up that gas handcuff is incredible

it's incredible footwork timing the fakes that he throws and then he switches up and then he explodes and then he fakes fakes and he explodes

I love his rhythm and pattern yeah very great at distance management and also switching stances and being creative and always giving you

a different look yes he's amazing he's a special guy he really is he's in my pound for pound and also switching stances and being creative and always giving you a different look. Yes. He's amazing, man. He's a special guy. He really is. He's my pound for pound this, you know. Mine as well. And he takes a loss like a fucking man.

I mean, just takes that loss so well. You know, he's like, hey, it is what it is. He's a great champion. He beat a champion. You know, I'm still the champ, 145. He's like laughing and shit. Like he took it. He gave everything he had. He came up short, no, I'm still the champ at 145. He's like laughing and shit. He took it. He gave everything he had.

He came up short. No excuses. And full respect to Dustin. It was great, man. Maybe a year or two from now, he can run it back. 100%. A couple fights from now. Hey, he's only 27.

Yeah. That's even crazier. Already the best featherweight of all time. One of the best pound for pound fighters for sure on the planet Earth. Only 27. Yeah, man. He's good fighters for sure on the planet Earth. Only 27. Yeah, man. He's good. And his grappling defensively is pretty fucking good.

He throws those chokes up and shit. Yep. Yep. Yep. He can do everything. Scary dude, man. Yeah, he does everything. He really does.

I mean, it's an amazing time for the sport. It really is. There's so much talent right now. I wish they still had the 25 division. I like that division. Well, they still kind of do. still had the 25 division i i like that division well they still kind of do i mean benavidez is still uh still trying to set up something you know and if sahudo goes up and beats marlon marais and decides to still defend his 125 title that's a huge fight that's a sick fight marlon's a scary

cat yeah he's a scary cat but so is sejudo oh yeah wow oh yeah i remember when uh sejuda won that gold medal we were watching i i was we were already like fans of him and stuff and he came over to american top team not long afterwards and uh he was already working out and he said no i'm gonna keep wrestling but i want to fight eventually i remember watching him uh this guy work out he was like maybe 20 21 because he was he i think he's the youngest gold medalist ever in at least american history i don't know if all wrestling history so i remember watching him work on i was like man that dude one day will do something big in the sport if he commits to it the way he did the wrestling yeah and sure enough he's done fucking huge things you know well the way he took out tj i definitely

thought it was an early stoppage but i definitely thought tj was fucked he was in a bad place and if so who know oh if they just let it go for another 10-15 seconds he might have shut the lights out on tj i mean we don't we don't know but the fact that he just staggered him and just came out right off the bat and just started dropping bombs on tj i mean that that just and again the backgrounds in wrestling just shows you what an athlete he is and how quick he learns. When he fought Wilson Hayes, and all of a sudden he was fighting like a karate fighter. Remember that? He was standing sideways, and then he drops like blitz right hands on him.

I'm like, what the fuck? Like, look at how he's fighting. The fact that he can incorporate all these different styles, too. He's something special. Endurance, power, speed. And success. You know, the first guy ever to be an Olympic gold medalist in wrestling, and then a UFC world champion. He beats the best guy ever to be an olympic gold medalist in wrestling and then a

ufc world champion he beats the best guy ever ever ever you know i mean it's amazing he's an he's an amazing guy something else too man that's another guy that you could write books on yep whoa yeah that's another scary fucker yeah he's a he's a special guy yeah i'm uh i hope he gets fucking paid over there at one fc that guyc i really do and they have a deep talent pool over there they have littler guys in asia you know there's a lot of guys over there for them and they got a lot of uh i know they bring in a lot of good multi guys which i know mighty mouse would just scoop them up put them on their head but it'd still be fun to still be fun to see because those high level tie guys are fucking something else. And I think Mighty Mouse is entertaining

the idea of having grappling matches over in 1FC and even maybe possibly kickboxing matches in 1FC. Oh, shit. Because you know they do everything over there. Yeah. 1FC has a fucking huge audience, man. Yeah. You know, they're talking 40, 80 million people

are watching each event in Asia. No way. And all throughout the world. Yeah, it's giant. Fucking giant. And they aired over here in america too i think it was on the encore network i was flipping through the channels and uh it was on i was like whoa okay so it's on it's on tv in america too i had no idea yeah it was after the

fact it wasn't live i mean i think you could watch it live on bleacher report live there was a website right you might watch it on bleacher report live what the day of the event i think it was free wasn't it maybe uh find that out i think it was yeah i don't know yeah anyway um it was free to watch the replay on television and look they got fucking high level athletes that guy nasty yukin who knocked out evy alvarez that guy's legit as fuck if you could take out eddie alvarez like that you're legit as fuck they got some could take out Eddie Alvarez like that, you're legit as fuck. They got some Thai guys, too, that are scary with the stand-up. Yeah.

225 fucking Thai fights. Yeah. How about Yat Sin Klai? Yeah. How about they got Yat Sin Klai fighting with MMA gloves on? Almost illegal, man. That's not fair, man. He's so dangerous.

He's so dangerous to let him fight Thai style but with MMA gloves it's like I love it man I fucking love that cause now they get to like they get to work their grips a little better maybe their takedowns

are gonna come out a little better and the shell does not work as well yeah exactly the shell the hands sneak through little spots

and that's what happened with him and Andy Sauer and with our gloves that's what happens when these like high level strikers come into high level like mma you know they think they're safe when you're fucking not you're not safe perfect

example is go khan saki and khalil roundtree roundtree just snuck that beautiful straight left right down the pipe boom dropped him did you see roundtree in his last fight no holy shit against eric anders this weekend no holy, I didn't see that. Holy shit, dude. Fucking. Holy shit. Massacre. Pissed to shut out. Was the best he's ever looked. He went to Thailand. Apparently after he got knocked out by Johnny Walker, he got hit with an elbow in the clinch

and decided he really needed to work on his clinch game. So he moved to Thailand. And he was there for the entire camp. Put all this shit up on his Instagram, all these videos and training footage. He looked sensational. But when you see him live against Eric Anders, he came out like a Thai guy. put all this shit up on his Instagram, all these videos and training footage. He looked sensational. But when you see him live against Eric Anderson, he came out like a Thai guy, light on the front leg, hands up in a classic, and just brutalized him.

Brutalized him. Pitched a fucking shutout, man, against Anders, who's a savage. I watched it. I mean, I knew – we knew round tree was good, but there was just a giant leap Between the round tree of pre-Thailand And post-Thailand The most I've ever seen a guy improve

In two fights Amazing Look at the significant strike differential 63 More significant strikes he landed But it was the way he did it man It was the highest significant strike differential. That's crazy.

Oh, that's from that event. That's all good and everything like that, but it was what it looked like. His switch kick to the inside thigh was insane. It was so fast. He's such a big guy, man. 205, right? Yeah. As fast as he was, No No telegraphing

Anything It was like Over and over again And he was All Thai style It was really interesting To watch man He just embraced it

And came out Way better It was a surprise When he got Gokhan Like that you know But I also knew It could happen Cause it's

It's not kickboxing And I think Gokhan's A stud kickboxer man That guy is fucking Good at kickboxing man Oh yeah For his weight The shit stud kickboxer, man. That guy is fucking good at kickboxing, man. Oh, yeah. For his weight, the shit that he does, he moves like a 55-pounder, you know? Yeah.

I was surprised I didn't see that, you know? Brown Tree has a ridiculously fast straight left. He caught Anders with it a bunch of times, too. He dropped him at least three times. His background's wrestling? No, he's a striker. Striker. Yeah, his background's striking.

He's a beast, man. I mean, it'll be a while before anybody's excited about anybody fighting Jon Jones. Because it's like, what do you got? You got a dude who's just, there's certain guys, like remember when Anderson was in his prime? And like, who are you going to throw at him? There was nobody there. Till Weidman came along, everybody that they threw at him, you're like, hmm, what's Anderson going to do to this dude?

When's Anderson going to knock out Yushin Okami? When's he going to connect on this guy? I think that we're in that situation now with John. You know, we got the Tiago Santos fight that's coming up. It should be interesting. Yeah. But it's just the interesting thing is that Santos is a murderous striker. Is he going to be able to connect?

That's what makes it interesting. I think Jones has some of the best defense. The best. Both wrestling, grappling, and striking. Just doesn't get hit. Yeah. Distance. Sidekick to your fucking kneecap is no longer there.

And then when you're fucking thinking about that sidekick, boom, left elbow to the eye orbital. Yeah. It's a tough puzzle. He's not light on his feet. He's just right there in front of you like an unmovable force. He's just going to stand right there in front of you. He's not going to go back or nothing. And if he catches you catching a break, you're trying to take a breath of air.

Whap, whap, whap, whap. Starts pouring it on you. Starts kicking your legs, front kicking you in the body over and over. He sees you slowing down. He's a predator, man. I wish they could make a science experiment, make Mighty Mouse 205, make that fight happen, or shrink Jon Jones and make that fight happen.

Yeah, no shit, right? No shit. That would be crazy. That would be crazy. See, the thing is, no 205-er can move like Mighty Mouse moves. You would have to see how can Mighty Mouse move at 205. Yeah. Because the thing about him is there's no gravity.

There's no gravity fucking with him. Yeah. When he's 125, he's fucking cutting angles and he's, whoop, where is he? You know, whoop, he's on your legs. He can do everything. But it's technique, though, is also. That's what I get from him. When I see him doing the things,

he kicks like a fucking Thai dude, shoots a double leg like a fucking good wrestling dude. It's not like just an athletic guy that's explosive. Everything is done just right. Same thing with John. He's got great technique everywhere. Yeah, I mean, Matt Hume has produced some great fighters, but then there's Mighty Mouse.

He's produced some great talent, but then there's Mighty Mouse. He stands way out. And you've got to wonder, is's Mighty Mouse. He's produced some great talent, but then there's Mighty Mouse. He stands way out. And you've got to wonder, is it Mighty Mouse? Is it Matt Hume putting more emphasis on him? Is it a combination of things? Because usually when you get a guy that's that good, you get a gym that starts producing multiple champions like that.

Usually, right? But that area, Pancration's not known for having that kind of talent other than him there's like him josh barnett yeah josh barnett came from there so but josh trained everywhere now josh started his career there but he's basically been everywhere is matt hume open to like the public like anybody just walking i think so i mean he has regular classes the whole deal but i know he gave a lot of specialized attention to mighty Mighty Mouse To Mighty Mouse Also he just felt like Mighty Mouse was a real sponge You know

He really learns well Yeah For a fact That guy does everything good man What do you think you're gonna do When you retire? I don't know yet You don't think about it at all?

I do think about it The main thing is Make sure that Before I'm retired, my kids are set for life with their universities, with their houses, all that stuff. That's number one goal. Then when I retire, I don't know. I got a lot of options I could do. I'm going to see which one I'm going to like the most because whatever I'm going to do, obviously nothing I'll love as much as fighting. Nothing will make me wake up at 6 in the morning to go fucking run. Nothing will have that love in me.

When you ask about the longevity, it's just because I love it so much. I don't have to work for it. I just love it. I love what I do. Even hitting the bag for 35, 40 minutes sometimes is so fucking boring and monotonous. But if I got the right music going on, got me a little bit of water, let's do it. I'm going to have fun doing it. on got me a little bit of water let's do it you know i'm gonna have fun doing it you know so i gotta just find something that my heart is solely in and i'm having fun i still haven't

figured out what that is you know maybe skiing you know every time i go skiing the skiers are trying to recruit me they're like yo who is this guy man we need this guy over here in our team maybe skiing man that shit gets my blood pumping you know really you like skiing i fucking love it man i hate it i love that i always worry about falling that's your problem that is my problem over here in our team to where maybe skiing, man, that shit gets my blood pumping, you know? Really? You like skiing? I fucking love it, man. I hate it. I love that shit. I always worry about falling. That's your problem. That is my problem.

It's fucking snow, man. Nothing's going to happen. You've been kicked in the head. I know, but everybody I know has had their fucking ACL torn apart. I've already had two knee reconstructions.

I know. So when I go down the hill, I'm like, don't get hurt, don't get hurt, don't get hurt, didn't get hurt. That's so crazy

how brains think because I'm thinking there's no way I can get hurt when I'm on those things. I'm just fucking going as fast as I can. Oh, you're one of those guys. Yeah, I'm like, there's no way I can get hurt. It's fucking snow. But you could definitely get hurt. Yeah, definitely.

I've had fucking, while I was standing still, like, past my friends, hey slow down to to say what's up and just like some 70 old man didn't see that i'm stopped not moving here and just fucking hit me into the kneecaps good thing they're somewhat flexible nothing tore nothing but it was like a good hit though you know like a good little low kick out of nowhere you know i worry about that with my kids some claude hopper oh but if they if they start young, though, forget about it. Oh, yeah. No, they're good. They're already doing Black Diamonds, little fuckers.

Yeah. Yeah, but they're so low to the ground. They're tiny. You know, the little skis and shit. No fear at that age, either. No fear. Once they're already fellin' on one, two, three, I say, oh, dad, it's just snow.

I watch some of those fuckin' men going down those hills, though. Oh. Just shush, shush, shush, shush. When they drop him off in the helicopter. Oh, my God. Oh, that's ridiculous. I watched a video the other night of a guy went down this mountain that no one's ever skied down before. They dropped him off at the top, and he had to climb the first couple of feet down with the skis on before he got to this open chute.

I was like, what in the fuck are you doing? He's climbing. You can't just ski. There's rocks everywhere and shit. That's crazy. Fuck you. That blows my mind. Yeah, go get a better hobby.

It's ridiculous sliding down a mountain. I might end up in there one day. You think so? Not in no time soon because those guys are a lifetime of skill, but I wouldn't take it off. I'd love to ski one of those crazy mountains that are just fucking super-duper steep and just rip it. One thing about skiing is you could do it when you're old. Yeah. Because this lady who was teaching my daughter, she was giving my daughter lessons at the ski place,

she was deep into her 60s. She was skiing great. Well, they got technique, technique. They probably grew up in the snow. I started skiing when I was like 30 you know So I got a lot of Catching up to do Yeah Yeah

It's uh I just know too Like Ari My friend Ari He broke his wrist last year And he broke his ankle Two years ago He's always

Fucking himself up Is that guy Balls to the wall I don't know He probably has done mushrooms That's a good time to ski man That's what I hear Fucking

That's the best time to ski. I know a couple people that have done it on mushrooms. They say you ski really... Yeah, you like it? Oof. What's the best thing about skiing on mushrooms? Well, it could go both ways because it fucks up your depth perception. Oh, right, right, right.

You don't know where the trees are. So the first time I did it, I was like super grandma, you know? Like everybody's like, what's wrong with you? I'm like, no, no, no, just leave me the fuck alone. Because the snow is all the same too, right? So now it just fucks with your depth perception so bad. Oh, you don't see like the divots in the snow? Yeah, yeah.

It fucks with you a lot. Because everything gets pixelated, right? Yeah. Oh, you were really tripping hard then. Oh, man. And everything is like the same and I can't really see the bumps. And then I don't see the bumps. I just feel them and i whoa whoa whoa all right i'm gonna need to tough this one out let's do it you know and then the next time i did it did a lot of literal less of

a dosage had a blast you know yeah they say it's a it's a micro dose thing yeah just like don't take like three grams take like a half a gram yeah something like that well the first time i was i was doing the bro science and it was like oh yeah i think it's like that well the first time i was i was doing the bro science and it was like oh yeah i think it's like four grams it's cool man let's go yikes on a fat and on like a slight fast you know the problem with it that the vision thing when things when you do the mushrooms and things get pixelated where you see like almost like a matrix around you yeah i would imagine that that would fuck you up skiing you wouldn't be able to see all the creases in the snow and shit.

And then you just feel it all of a sudden. You're like, what the fuck happened? Did you ever snowboard? I did it for like half a day. That was pretty cool. But I used to ski like inline, like in parks, you know, like on ramps, on half pipes, rollerblades. Oh, really? Yeah.

So I could like jump on rails and half pipes. And I could even do like a front flip on my skates. But this was when I was not like 13 14 years old yeah yeah so skiing came very easy to me and snowboarding not so much because i didn't skateboard when i was a kid i skateboarded as a kid um but i've never snowboarded but uh the people that do it they say it's easier to get better at snowboarding than it is to get better at skiing they say it's like it's hard in the beginning but once you get it it's easier to get better at oh okay but when you fall a lot of lotitudes fall this the snowboard goes up in the air your feet are stuck on it you land right on your fucking head a lot of people get knocked the

fuck out because you can't move your legs individually like you can if you're skiing and you land on the tailbone a lot too a lot of people tell me yeah and if you're skiing and you land funky the ski snap loose and you can move your legs around you're strapped in there yeah you're strapped in no snowboard is this shit too then people go through the trees like fucking silver surfer that's fun man yeah but that's a rush the slowing down part with those seems different like less options to slow down oh i love all that all that shit. Anything that gets my heart pumping, man. Do you skydive or anything crazy like that? I haven't done the skydiving because I'm afraid of the landing.

I've heard bad stories about the landing, how you are with the skiing. You got a couple buddies that got in hurt. I got a couple buddies that got in hurt on the landing of skydiving. Oh, really? I can't do that. I'm fighting still. As soon as I'm done fighting, whoo. Yeah.

Yeah. Have you had any knee problems? Yeah, numerous knee problems i've torn the meniscus a couple times on both knees yeah from wrestling practice all from wrestling practice i'm sure yeah do you did you get them scoped or what'd you do about it just rehab i got a big uh fear of going to sleep by uh anesthesia yeah really yeah i got a supreme fear that i don't want that in my life right now I'm not ready for that

That's a sucky way to die Go to sleep To get your knee fixed Yeah That's a wrap See you in heaven Yeah Tweet tweet

Yeah Not yet So you've just basically Whatever meniscus tears You've had You've just dealt with it Just rehab And then I also heard

From doctors You don't really need The meniscus It's just gonna fucking hurt Like fuck so You don't really need meniscus? That's what they told me. A lot of times, instead of scoping it, they cut it.

I know a lot of athletes that just cut it. They cut pieces of it, yeah. Especially depending on if it's a bucket handle tear or how bad the tear is. Like Mike Brown has, I know, his meniscus cut. And he was the one that was telling me last time I fucked up my meniscus. He said, do not get it scoped because then you're going to re-injure it and you're going to be again through the whole thing. Get it snipped out. Get it cut, you know.

So that's what he did? He just got it cut out? Yeah. All of it? Yeah. Joel Romero, same thing. I don't think Joel Romero has a meniscus. Sure.

Yeah. Because I've had numerous problems with my meniscus. And I was about to go in and get the surgery. And I was asking everybody if they had the same problem. And I was was like fuck it i'm just gonna rehab it i'll just do rehab and i did rehab for like four or five months and it got better oh wow four or five months huh well that was uh last year in 2018 that's what i did a larger part of the year just heal up injuries that i had you know just get better and better

and better so when you say like rehab it what what kind of rehab are you doing for your meniscus what were you doing like where they you go to the place and the guy tells you like you hold a towel. You do like things like this. Okay, different. Get on the phone, match. Physical therapy. Yeah, physical therapy, you know. Right.

That's what I did. What's your diet like? Man, I got many of diets. Many of diets? Like when you're in training. When you're training. Not when you knock out Darren Till. I'm sure you ate like a wild animal yeah for a fact I got many of diets at all times though I just kind of at 55 I used to have to diet so hard eight to ten weeks I would

have to diet to bring my body to like 173 174 especially the last three four years of my career mixed with a lot of running you know at 70 i don't have to do that so i'm still kind of strict i just stop eating after like a certain time like 7 p.m i stop eating you know i wake up when's your last training session uh depends it could be sometimes i got i'll finish at around 10 10 30 night and i'll just drink at night yeah so you don't need anything after you train no i just drink a shit ton of water you know this is when i'm like i'm training training i'm used'm used to it because I used to do it at 55 because I couldn't gain weight. So I just, let's say I went for a run at like 10 o'clock at night, finished at 12.

I just get back, drink a shit ton of water, wake up, and then have my meal. When I'm in training camp, one thing that I notice, I don't like to have a big breakfast before I go train. It fucks me up really slows me down the body's processing all that shit i just don't feel as accurate i could just wake up and go to the gym and do fine if i wake up eat till all that stuff then go to the gym it's not the same you know yeah the energy the energy it takes your body to digest it that's legit yeah i always feel the same way i think you're better off uh just eating a little bit of fruit yeah a little bit of fruit.

Yeah. A little bit of fruit. Exactly. Some pineapple, anything with sugar, some coffee and go. Just light. Yeah. I don't want my system actually having to dissolve things as I'm already training. That's why I'm surprised that you're running late at night and then you're not eating something

and then you're going through the entire night with no food and then a light breakfast. And I'll burn right through it. Like I'm burning through fat in my sleep do you have a nutritionist that you consult or i had numerous ones at 155 i had numerous ones and i took what each one gave me that was like wow this actually helped me for this or for this and i've jot those down on my book and i use those things still to this day there's some things that i use then mixing with the stuff that i know works for me you know like i know for a fact somebody numerous nutritionists tell me no but that's wrong you should just wake up at six in the morning get a meal and then at eight in the

morning get another meal and then by 10 o'clock you're good to go not buddy i'm just gonna go to the gym and i'm gonna fucking feel amazing i don't need all those extra fucking meals and then after that i pick out and when i eat man i man, it's almost a religious experience for me. I like to be very happy. So if we go to a place to eat, and I've never been there, and you're telling me this is the place right here, this is where you want to eat at, I'm getting everything on the fucking menu. I'll fill this fucking table up, and I'm going to try everything,

and I'm going to know what's good at this place. I don't like to put restrictions when I eat, but I don't eat like that all day long. So so my one or two meals that i eat they're powerful you know so you real light but when you eat a big meal you just go hog yeah and then nothing nothing after 7 p.m at night yeah nothing after 7 p.m yeah that's like basically like intermittent fasting really so you're mimicking that and then i i saw that the intermittent fasting and started breaking down like the details of it, you know? Because where I got it from is that when I was at 55, let's say I'd finished my workout at American Top Team.

I finished at 178 pounds. Fuck, three weeks ago. Okay, I get back home. I'd eat a little something because I just finished doing a two-hour workout. And I put my sweats on and go run. And I got to run 10, 11 o'clock at night. And I'd run for, like, an hour. I'd get back i'd

touch down like to 172 maybe 174 i couldn't eat i just drink water so i got used to that that regimen of not eating after my workouts you know i'm feeling fine the next day just a ton of water your body just got used to it yeah maybe electrolytes or whatever and then when those the the intermittent fasting diet or the or the fasting came up and they put the science behind it i'm like oh no wonder it makes sense to me you know it's not that i'm a special mutant it's there's a science behind this you know yeah it's actually healthy for you your body needs breaks hell yeah yeah now when you're doing uh strength and conditioning and things along those lines how often are you doing that a week um it depends where what stage i'm at in the fight if i'm like 30 weeks out obviously or like 12

weeks out like right now i'll lift weights running swimming anything to just get my heart going and i do a lot of kettlebells i like that it's uh it's like a full body workout and it's kind of like almost wrestling you know when you're when you're getting in there in the reps and it's heavy if your technique's off you just fucked up that rep you wasted too much energy you're not going to get to those projections you wanted to get and i got lucky down at the gym that i trained uh one of the kettlebell champions he's a world champion he's at the gym so he showed me like a lot of technique and a lot of the the grit behind it and it's amazing i mean this guy does incredible things you know so it's uh it's huge for me the kettlebells i like them you know a lot of strength and conditioning too with my coach uh jesus guy we've been together for like 12 years

you know yeah i'm a big fan of kettlebells as well it's my favorite exercise tool if i pick one thing that i would say give me a chin-up bar and kettlebells and i'm good yeah a grip back and then the sheer coordination of you know pop them up in the air. Making the whole body work as one whole unit. And when you're tired and you can't fucking not concentrate because every one of those techniques, every one of those lifts has a severe technique behind it. And if you fuck up, man, you fuck up your back, your shoulder. You just throw your whole shit off, you know?

Yeah, yeah. Now, what do you fuck up your back, your shoulder. You just throw your whole shit off, you know? Yeah, yeah. Now, what do you alter when you get closer to a fight? Like, what do you eliminate? Do you eliminate the weightlifting? Do you? The length of the training session, you know, as in when we're more out from the fight, we'll train for longer periods, two, three hours. You know, three hours is always the max.

And maybe I'll do that twice in a day. You know, when I'm closer to the fight, maybe an hour and a half. Tops, tops, two hours. And maybe two of those in a day, you know, and then that's it. You know, I'm also 34, so I don't like not when I was like 26 that I could fucking train 10 hours in one day and wake up the next day like nothing happened, you know. So now I just, I also listen to my body like, man, that last session beat me'm gonna do a one hour session now you know do you take your heart rate do you use heart rate variability monitors or anything like that no i don't even know nothing i don't even know what

you just said right now old school yeah it's um you know people are doing that to see what their heart rate is when they wake up you know see if uh like if your heart rate's inconsistent say if you have a resting heart rate of uh you know 40 beats per minute then you wake up. See if, like if your heart rate's inconsistent, say if you have a resting heart rate of 40 beats per minute, then you wake up one day, it's 47, 48, that might indicate that you're overtrained. 52, 53 would be a real good indication. And you would probably want to either do active recovery that day or just take the day off. Maybe even go for a light hike or something like that.

And maybe I shouldn't invest in some of this stuff. There's a lot of thought behind that because sometimes people are getting sick and they don't realize it they're just too tough and they just push through it i feel flat today but what's really going on is your body's fighting something off yeah it makes perfect sense yeah how much uh sleep you're making sure you get a night for the larger part of my career because i'm i have uh sleeping problems like really bad i would sleep like four or five hours and be fucking perfect man yeah be perfect never never have a problem you know as i started getting older i've been trying to force myself to see that's one big thing with

my coaches and my management because they know how i sleep and uh like on fight week i'd be up in the lobby three in the morning and then go to sleep wake up at eight in the morning and no we got to change this you know so i've been trying to change that a lot and i just try to put myself in bed early and then i just stay in there you know i don't do nothing the phone's already off there's no tv in my room i'm just chilling in but this isn't fight camp this is not like year round you know right and i'm just trying to go to sleep you know however long that takes does american top team have a float float tank no not yet but they're working on it, aren't they? Dan, did you just hear Joe Rogan? We need the fucking float, bro.

Get the float, man. Why did I think they did? Were they thinking about it at one point in time? Is that what was going on? They sure are now. Dan, get the fucking float. Joe needs the float. You know we love you, Dan.

Get that fucking tank in there, baby. I'll hook you up. I'll get you to the right people. Float lab. You got the hookup from Joe now. Float lab in Venice. Shout out to the float lab. Yeah, the guy who put the hookup from Joe now. Float Lab in Venice. Shout out to the Float Lab. Yeah, the guy put my tank in here.

Nice. They're the best tanks, man. I'll show it to you afterwards. They're so ridiculously over-engineered, but when you get in them, man, you relax. It changes your world. Those things are fucking awesome. I've done it like two or three times. You're fucking mind-blowing.

Is there a good spot near you? No, not near me. Maybe like... On the road? Yeah, yeah, on the road. Yeah. Two hours up north. That sucks.

Yeah, Dan should open up a spot down there. I mean, it'd be great for fighters. As long as you keep them from jacking off in there. That's a problem. You get a little too relaxed. Certain guys that are already flagged like, no, so-and-so can't come in these waters, man. Come in these waters. You got to evacuate, my brother. You gotso can't come in these waters man you gotta you gotta

evacuate my brother you gotta have a passport for these waters sir yeah there's certain dudes that are just freaks you gotta be careful with them athletic freaks and fucking yeah freak freaks double freaks yeah well you you guys have how many people at your gym you probably have one of the freakiest gyms ever in terms of talent overall talent how many fighters are there i don't know man sometimes i get to the pro classes and there's like 50 pro fighters on that you know crazy 40 pro fighters on the mat because the main mat and the other main mat are covered in the cages covered in the square cage where i'm always training at which fits like another 10 people is completely covered with pro athletes, you know. And that day we have the 11 o'clock to like 1245 session.

And then on different session for like either the lighter or the bigger guys will come in at a different session, you know. And then we got guys throughout the day doing their individual training. So it's just crazy. How much of your time is spent doing group classes versus how much of his time is individual specialized stuff like say working on something a combination to land on till or you know what you're planning for aspirin group classes will be more like uh well i won't really learn it's not that i can't learn too much but i'm not like my mike brown for example which which is the the guy that runs my my camp in something great guy not only is the guy that runs my camp at American Tom's. He's a great guy.

Not only is he a great guy, but his brain is, he's like Elon Musk of like fighting and shit, man. His ideas are fucking dope, solid, and like way ahead of their time always. You know, a lot of stuff that we're seeing now, Mike Brown's been preaching to us for like a while. So he knows me pretty well. He knows, man, Masvidal can only do about two moves a day so if he's gonna show me something he showed me one to two moves tops and i just i'm a driller i'll just drill those moves as many times it takes me for me to get them and that that's like my group setting you know that's like okay go just drill this and he knows that i need at least an hour of

drilling with a brand new move for me to get it you know and then after that just go live with whoever's in the class you know whoever they they brought for me um now when you say you you drill a lot like are you drilling a lot striking drills mma drills wrestling drills basically everything you just constantly i'm a driller i drill i drill a ton and i go live a ton but i i like to complement it with a lot of drilling. I just feel that I'm always at my best game when I drill. Now, sometimes I take away from drilling completely because I feel drilled out. Like, man, I've been drilling so much.

I just want to go live now. But usually every day that I'm in the gym, I'm drilling a particular technique. I think that's so important. Oh, super important. For every martial art, jiu-jitsu, anything. Martial arts, sport. You're drilling your free throws or whatever it is. You have to just drill it so your body knows how to do it without thinking about it.

Yeah, that's why when you see guys that just spar too much and all they want to do is spar, like, man, you're decreasing your chances of success to think you're enjoying because you're just not spending enough time focusing on the fundamentals and techniques. Gotta sharpen the tools. Yeah, and keep those tools, like,

keep moving them around. Like, keep adding to them. Of course. Driving guys fucking nuts. When you just drill and eventually you hit that 1,000 mark,

it's not the same when you were doing it five or six times, you know. I'm giving out too much wisdom that these people are gonna know what's up, but that's the way to do this drilling. It's know. I'm giving out too much wisdom now. These people are going to know what's up.

But that's the way to do it is drilling. It's boring. So people don't enjoy it as much. It's not nearly as exciting. I'm the only sociopath. And you could ask my friend. I enjoy drilling, you know. At a good pace, good speed where we're just going.

And it's almost like a live where I'm just drilling that move but I'm giving all my energy into it. I love it, man. Well, you're also aware that that's going to bring you success yeah oh of course but i just i just love it you know the sheer making sure that my penetration step is right or my left hand was up when i threw my right hand and my coach goes hey good job do it again okay bam that i fucking love it man now you when you have a fight coming up like say with askren are you watching footage on him no i don't watch footage my uh mike brown paulina hernandez gao they'll watch footage uh and tell me what to do and what not to do you know like for the till fight same thing you know or maybe they'll send me like a

clip that they wanted to see me like when uh woodley fought till they're like look how woodley uh countered him with this on or look what till did there's something like little clips and i'll watch him but to watch fights, I don't really watch. Like my opponents fight. Now what about recovery? Do you guys get a lot of massage? Do you do ice baths? Do you do any shit like that?

I do. I've always done ice baths in there throughout my career. But thanks to my good friend Michael Miller, I try to do them a lot more, which I still need to do them more. A good two, three times a week is when I feel like at my best. Sauna, I use it for recovery, you know, especially after like a lot of the guests that you've had in your show. I've always done the sauna to cut weight and knew that it had great benefits and training in the sauna, but I didn't know the science behind it. Then you have like Dr. Ron, like a Patrick will come in and it's like mind blowing.

Yeah, this all makes sense. Why the sauna is so amazing. Why I feel great after I use a sauna maybe not immediately because after a two-hour wrestling practice or striking practice and then you go in the sauna because you're like heavy they want you to work out in there you feel like shit afterwards yeah but surprisingly the next day I don't feel that bad or the day after that. And I just thought nothing of it, you know, just fucking whatever, man. It's just I feel good today. I had a great breakfast, I guess. But I started thinking about times that I was implementing the sauna a lot in my training

regimen to times I wasn't. And I was like, wow, the sauna thing is amazing for everything, you know? Yeah, no, it's huge. It's giant for reduction of inflammation. And there was that study that they did In was it Norway or Sweden or somewhere Where they said there's a 40% Decrease in mortality amongst all causes Stroke, heart attack, cancer

Everything For people that Yeah 40% decrease in mortality For people that use the sauna I think it was 4 times a week For 20 minutes at a time At 180 degrees I think that was the study that they ran

And they just showed that 180 degrees Yeah so they just they which is you know normal temperature anywhere between 170 and 190s where a lot of people have their sauna set uh but they said that in that hot range for 20 minutes your body produces so many heat shock proteins that it just it's it helps with so many different health problems yeah i when i heard uh miss patrick gonna say all those things my fucking mind blew up yeah it's crazy right it's like i'll never have to take pharmaceutical drugs nobody's ever gonna take tell me you need these pills to survive right right and then people that hear this do they doubt it you know they have one pro fighter tending that joe rogan tending and they had a

doctor telling you you want to cure problems just go in the sauna yeah man people with arthritis Do they doubt it? You know, they have one pro fighter attending, Joe Rogan attending, and they had a doctor attending. You want to cure problems, just go in the sauna. Yeah, man, people with arthritis. And, you know, another thing that's great is cryotherapy. Cryotherapy is great for people with inflammation issues too. Anything where you can get your body freaking out about temperature. Your body freaks out about temperature, whether it's cold or hot. Your body produces cold shock or heat shock proteins and then that really helps your

body reduce inflammation that's fucking insane you just feel better too right you get out of there like ah i just feel better yeah even when i'd be sucked out like man i feel like fucking shit i just lost fucking four or five pounds of water after a practice in the sun you feel like shit but then i take a bath and then go to sleep, wake up the next day feeling good, you know. I put the water back in the system, obviously, but I would just feel good. And I didn't quite know why this is happening, you know. Like, let's say I got kicked in my elbow. My elbow would blow up, and then for some reason that day I had fucking 45 minutes of in the sauna because that's when my coaches thought I needed it.

The sweating would dramatically go down, but I wouldn't attribute it to that. I'd just be like, oh, shit, that's crazy, bro. I'm fucking Wolverine, you know? Well, I'm sure being Wolverine had something to do with it. But the sauna had something to do with it, too. Now, as you're getting, you know, you're one of the top contenders in the division now, and as things kind of heat up, are you having to do more media obligations before your big fights now? No.

No? Because I just fucking say no, man. say no man do you ah man i'm i don't like what if you get a fight for the title they're probably gonna make you do all that won't they you you want this circus show this is how it comes buddy you know because i i can't do all that i'm gonna fly to la fly to new york fly here wrecks you right i won't pay you now don't get me wrong. I'm a fucking soldier for the money. You're going to pay me for these fucking numerous TV outlet stores you got me going to and selling products?

I'll do it, man. And I don't want to sound like I'm not a company man, but I'd like to get paid for my services. If I got to be talking to numerous people, that's not what I signed up for. I signed up to punch people in the face. Let's get that right. If I got to be getting speeches out and giving out my my secrets of wisdom pay me some money for that cool i'll do whatever you want then yeah well it definitely takes away from you too yeah it does so much energy you have in this life definitely takes away yeah definitely takes away and i feel also like like the guys that

are constantly putting stuff Out there right Shit man People get bored Fucking just putting Shit out there you know Certain people are Putting certain things

Out there They fucking They gravitate to those things This guy's not On a lot of talk shows Or whatever I want to hear what he had To say on this particular

Yeah If you're constantly like This guy's an asshole And this guy's an asshole Everybody already knows It's the same shit already The notification comes in They already fucking

Put you on mute you know Right right right And you did that to yourself Yeah You got nobody to blame But yourself You little Instagram whore And I'm not talking about

To the ladies I would never talk to a lady Like that I'm talking about to the dudes That are fucking straight sluts Yeah To my ladies I love you long time

Me loving you always When you Have been in the game As long as you have and have been as successful as you have you have information that is very valuable to young fighters they can learn shit from you without having to experience a lot of the negative things that you've experienced a lot without having some of the mistakes you've made you know some of the things you learned that were positive you could teach people and But oftentimes, as fighters get older and then retire, all that knowledge just goes away.

It just gets lost because the fighters either don't become a coach or don't ever write it down or don't do interviews. I think a guy like you in particular, because you're a very crafty fighter, you have a lot of valuable information for young people, for young guys coming up. Oh, I do. I know it. You know, and you know how I got that information? Putting myself in uncomfortable spots. You know, I went to the University of Wyoming, which I loved that experience. It's higher than Colorado. And I'm with a D1 national program ran by Mark Branch.

national program ran uh by mark branch um i mean david branches are and chris pendleton these guys are fucking studs and they let me come in there i'm just some mma fucking fighter man you know and they let me come in there stay with them for about a month and just wrestle and be a part of the program so i i learned what worked at the high level or not because i might think when you get a single leg i could backflip out of it I might think and I go over here to this University I'm gonna find that if it works or not and there's the same thing went to the state the University of Oregon got to wrestle over there I've done a lot of high-level boxing camps with good boxers being around them amateur world champions gold medalist you know in miami we're a hub for

the cuban crime wave of great boxers you know we get all these guys that are olympians that come in there and i'd be at the gym with them picking their brain getting beat up by them learning since i was young so i i for the boxing fundamentals i got very very lucky i didn't even know what i had to me at that access that i'd be working out with gold medalists world champions it was insane you know so i think one thing i would tell any young fighter if you want to learn something submerge in it you know if you if i want to learn jiu jitsu i'm not going to go to rex quando i'm going to go find the dopest jiu jitsu guy and get humbled you know a lot of people don't like to get humbled i don't want to go with that guy he's really good at wrestling no man shut the up put the ego aside and go get humbled learn because the more

time you put into that craft eventually whatever is bad will get good if you put the time into it you know and a lot of people don't like to do that and i think even more nowadays that i see on the mat now with the egos and the social media and like people filming and shit there's a lot of pro fighters that i see sitting out that don't want to do the wrestling class because a couple wrestling studs just walked in through the door so there's like two types of guys that when i see these all-american and national champions i'm like whoa today's gonna be a good practice these guys are my weight i better be on my a game man i'm gonna put some good music on this just gonna get crazy or there's the guys that when they walk in they're like man i don't need it you Anyways, I'm not fighting a wrestler.

I don't need it. Me, I'm always hyped for the challenge to push myself to the fucking sheer limit and see what comes out of that. So you think a lot of it is just a mentality to embrace struggle and embrace difficult moments and embrace the opportunity to learn and grow? Yes. And unfortunately, in this sport, you don't have to get a concussion. Because in boxing, don't take me wrong, you don't have to spar hard to be a good striker you don't but there's certain things like wrestling you gotta wrestle hard you gotta drill hard you did two same thing you gotta drill hard you gotta get you're going with marcelo garcia you're gonna get

fucking tapped a bunch of times guess what buddy who cares bro right learn that humbling experience enjoy that you know if you get a chance to roll with a guy like that, take full advantage of it. And nowadays it seems like a lot of, sometimes people don't want to do that. You know, like I'm in the mix a lot. I'm in one of the biggest gyms. And I see sometimes guys don't want to take those challenges in. You know, like a top-notch MMA fighter goes straight wrestling with some college wrestler, some high school kid that's just a stud at wrestling.

You know, do that. Put yourself in that uncomfortable position. See what happens, bro. You know? do you think you'll ever be a coach i could be you know i got a couple uh amateurs that i got i got my boy charlie deca that's that he's also like a friend in the amateur and uh he's uh he's doing good things in amateur and now he's gonna go pro he's gonna fucking he's gonna tear it up man one day hopefully he'll be in your showman getting interviewed guys got a lot of talent but um i don't know i don't know if i'll be a coach it's a full-time job it's a full-time job and you got

to be committed to somebody right and if they don't have the same mentality that you had you're gonna get frustrated and i am sometimes fighters don't like to pay man what are you gonna do now you got to collect from a fighter she's gonna get crazy man a lot of them don't like to pay man what are you gonna do now you gotta collect from a fighter she's gonna get crazy man a lot of them don't like to pay i don't like to pay and you know something about me joe i like money man if i work i better get paid man because if i don't get paid it's gonna be a fucking problem man it's gonna be a fucking problem but there's a lot of fighters that do pain that are um fucking amazing and that are the most straight edge dudes you know yeah i mean certainly a guy like you if you ever did decide to be a coach, you would have a lot of choices.

Yeah. But what I'm getting at is that at the very least, you should write some of this shit down, like the way what you learned. Oh, yeah, it's written down. Is it? Yeah, we got the Street Survival series coming out, Volume 1, 2, and 3. It's going to drop very soon. Books, DVDs, everything. Everything's coming out. That's good to hear, man. I don't know when it's coming out, but it's coming out. Volume 1, 2, and 3 is going to drop very soon. Books, DVDs, everything.

Everything's coming out. That's good to hear, man. I don't know when it's coming out, but it's coming out soon, though, man. You should write a book about your experience. Just going from the backyard fights that people could see on the internet with Kimbo to where you are today, it's pretty fucking incredible. Oh, it's amazing. I love it. What an incredible rise to the top.

Yeah. And you know what's something I can tell all the young fighters? Before anybody saw this, before anybody saw me on youtube or anything i saw it up here i invested in myself i believed in myself that's why i put myself in these tough situations to go with the best wrestler in the workout room the best striker from the world and just constantly get there because i knew the difference between me and them was only time i just had to put in time where'd you develop this mentality where'd you get it where'd i get it maybe god opened up my mind and just gave me the message just growing up very humble and just fucking wanting certain things that i didn't have and just like i'm gonna i'm gonna get this but understanding that really

just takes work just really understanding it yeah really just takes work yeah it really takes work and it really takes the right mindset not just takes work. Yeah, it really takes work and it really takes the right mindset. Not just the work itself, but the way you're embracing difficult challenges. Instead of shying away from them to protect your ego,

you're doing the opposite. God's to. It's the only way. It's the only way. I'm in combat sports. In combat sports. Yeah. Tennis, maybe there's another way.

I'm not coaching tennis. Right. But as long in combat sports as you're not being set up but someone's gonna fucking murder you when you're first starting out exactly with striking that's not what you want you don't want to get yeah you know i've got 10 pro fights your first day here and i break your nose that doesn't do anything you know right but it's just embracing those challenges whether it be running a mile in six minutes or drilling for two hours long just two techniques because you're kind of dumb and

you fucking gotta just do it over and over and over and over embrace it you know i'm glad you're gonna put some of this information out i think um this is something that as i was saying like a guy like you that's been in the game for a long long time and you've learned a lot about what it takes to become a world-class fighter that that information a lot of times just goes away when that fire retires i mean so many fighters have retired and you don't really know too much about the process or what they learned well on we got a documentary he's been filming for about three years but we've had trouble when uh the ufc sold it to like esp and getting all the rights and and and things that go associated

with dropping documentary like that and in that documentary um i told him from from the start when we were going to do it if we're going to do it, I want it done right, meaning I want a lot of control over it, and I want a lot of training. I want a lot of the things that I do in training to get me in shape. Some people find it cool, some people won't. So in that documentary, there's a lot of just how I straight up train, like a lot of the Cuban mythology that goes behind it from my coaches that are Cuban, what we like to do to prepare for the fight,

how we break it down. Do you do different shit than people normally say? In the preparation? Yeah, actually, you know Joel well. Sure. And stuff. Joel, my coach, which used to train Joel as well, and a lot of the Cuban community, they have a big,

especially if they grew up in Cuba, they have that big conspiracy theory like nobody else. Whenever I'm hitting pads or anything like that and I'm about to fight somebody, you will never see me do a technique on the pads that I will do in the fight. I shouldn't even say this because my coach is going to slap me in the face.

You will never see me do anything that might resemble anything I do in the fight. And lives by that you know he doesn't he's another guy that just shies away from cameras hates cameras he's always in my corner he's got a yellow bandana or something yellow and he's been in my corner joel's corner numerous numerous guys corner and um they're very like secretive of the training you know they think that everybody's watching we still are you know they think america might invade cuba still so they might who knows right so that the training footage they don't want that leaking out you know and uh i've most of my career been like that you know but for the documentary we open up on a lot of things that we do for training for like from reflexes to

ways to recover how we spar how i set up the sparring things like that you know what kind of shit do you do that's unusual uh not unusual i guess i would say but i don't know i could we could do like two hours of boxing right just straight boxing and we would just break down fundamentals i would just just do two hours just straight basics which is fucking boring but it's just like endurance mixed with the technique, you know. We do also a lot of right from here from this chair. We'll punch from here, hit the pads from here. From the chair? From the chair.

Yeah. Just our core and arms. With the pads on, with the gloves on. Hmm. Just go five-minute rounds. Without using your legs? Without using the legs. You try it out

and you tell me how that feels, you know, it's fucking great, you know. Like right now for that, I'm going to get kicked in the fucking leg pretty hard, you know.

He's, bro, when I tell you, when I tell you this man is secretive. How's he going to feel about the documentary? He doesn't know how much

he's getting into the documentary because he's very like, this is for us, you know, why would you release this? Why are you still fighting? Release this when you're like this is for us you know why would you release this why you're still fighting releases when you're done fighting type guy you know and why do you want to release it while you're still fighting i mean fucking you can't stop the sun from rising you're not gonna stop me if you know my techniques you know it's not gonna change anything it's what's coming is coming you know That's a beautiful way to look at it. Listen, brother, I'm glad we got together and did this, man.

I appreciate you as a fighter. You're an interesting cat. And I wish you nothing but the best. And I'm very excited to see that fight. That's right, my bad. Try to reach. All right. Game bread.

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