The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #68 with Will Harris

Episode Date: June 24, 2019

Joe is joined by filmmaker Will Harris, who runs the popular YouTube channel/series "Anatomy Of A Fighter": https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC47UlrwAYX5HRs5bm2KbEZg

And Will Harris, you're live. Man, this is crazy. You're on the other side of the camera now. Let me give you an introduction for people who don't know. Will is the man behind Anatomy of the Fighter. If you've ever seen any of those videos, particularly the most famous one was when Conor McGregor threw that dolly at the bus with Khabib Nurmagomedov was on it. And it became a huge part of the promotion which i thought was weird that it was this shameful act right that he did that i mean

really awful cut a bunch of innocent people that were on the bus but they used it over and over and over again that was your footage yes a lot of people didn't even know including me no one did um you know i was telling a friend the other day what's funny. No one has ever heard this, but when it happened, I showed Khabib at the back of the bus because he had a smile on his face. And I showed him and everybody else on the bus that I actually caught Conor doing it because they didn't really know it was Conor. Right. So I remember Khabib looked at the footage. I was holding the camera. And he was like, brother, you can get paid from this.

It's like, bro, this is worth one hundred thousand dollars. He looked at his manager, Ali, a shout out to Ali. And he was like, get this, get him, give him some money. He deserves this. And then I gave it to the UFC to use for Embedded. And I thought that was just it. And they promoted the fight with it. And I was like, damn, I should have just leaned my head to the right and got hit by the dolly.

So I could not have to be doing GoFundMes and shit. Well, what you should have done is ask for money for it. That video footage, it turned out it was very valuable. Because it set up the fight, which also set up the post-fight brawl. I mean, there was so much that was involved in him throwing that dolly. And you caught that video. And they played that shit over and over and over. I was actually kind of shocked that they did that.

Because at the time, we were like, whoa, Conor might go to jail. Like, that was like legitimate assault. They used it the next day. I know. I was like, damn. WME is merciless. When I saw it on Fox News and CNN, I was just like, that's my footage. Yeah.

Because when you're building a channel or a series like that, you think, oh, this is my moment. Everybody has a moment. Yeah. And unfortunately, the UFC promoted it. And shout out to them because they've been nothing but good to me. I can't say anything. I still wish I would have got something from it. You should have got something from it.

Pull this mic up. Just get it up there, like a fist from your face. There you go. Right there, right there. Yeah, no, you do a fantastic job. I mean, you really do. And like I said, until that video footage came out, I didn't know that you weren't even a part of the UFC's promotion team.

I didn't know. I thought maybe WME had hired you, and this is another thing that they're working on. I did't know. I thought maybe WME had hired you and this is another thing that they're working on. I did not know that you were independent. Well, what was crazy is that I started it almost two years ago. I was just sitting at home in Florida. I was living in South Florida and I was hanging out with the guys at the Black Zillions at Jocko. I had stumbled over there one day at the gym and I seen it when I was grocery shopping and I just stopped in um and I was doing stuff for Shannon Briggs let's go champ let's go champ I was going to the

heavyweight factory you were you do all those no I wasn't doing his phone videos what happened was I reached out to him and he invited me to the heavyweight factory Holyfield was there everybody and I just went there a few times and i created some creative videos for them still working out he was when i was there i seen he still looks good he does man he like what crazy he's like 50 something years old he's 50 years i got some i got some amazing stories about like that i've never released about tyson fight like crazy things like his his oh man i got some stuff yeah are you putting it up well initially anatomy of fighter was just supposed to be a documentary that was it and i was that was it

just an hour-long documentary um i i never knew who a khabib was or nothing like i just didn't know i i knew michael johnson all these guys because they was at the black zillion so i knew the first day i ever went in a gym like like Michael Chandler, Kamaru Uzman. Shout out to Kamaru Uzman because the first time I ever saw him, I thought he was a bum. What? Because Michael Chandler gave it to him and I got it on camera. And I thought Michael Chandler was the stud, right? And then it was like, oh, he won the Ultimate Fighter, things like that.

So that was almost two years ago. You thought he was a bum yeah just because i saw the rough day in the gym it was sparring it was just sparring so i mean i'm going around filming people and then i just turned to the cage and like michael chandler just dropped him with like a low shot and then michael chandler like walking around him like i created this film called the portrait of the black zillions that was like the first thing i ever made because it was glenn robinson r.i.p to him and tyrone spong that really pushed me to do mma they saw the stuff that i did with shannon briggs and they called me into the office that same day that i i gave whoever the

manager was at jaco the the footage and glenn just said listen we need this type of work in mma like this is high quality stuff and tyrone spong boxing, so I knew he was probably loving the footage with Shannon Briz because he ended up boxing. And that's after he broke his leg against Koconsaki, and he decided to just go straight to boxing. So, you know, Tyrone, he's very persuasive, and he was like, hey, hey, we need this in the gym. So they gave me a pass to go to a sparring day and really work out with them

and um yeah there it is right there but uh yeah that's how it happened and i just kept going to the gym every day put that back up chance and the other okay yeah that's the first thing i ever filmed in my life called the portrait of the black zillions and that shot of uh michael chandler uh rp to jordan parsons that was a fighter that you know died after getting hit by a car um but that's the first thing i ever filmed for anatomy of fire uh that that was the sparring match and um yeah that was it and from there uh everything was born um i still was like focusing on doing like a documentary um until i moved to vegas uh like a summer after that during a conor mcgregor and uh floyd mayweather fight i just wanted i felt like i needed to move to vegas because the energy was taking me there and i

felt like oh if i'm gonna do a documentary i might as well be in vegas where a lot of fighters is this is a giant shift for you right so what were you filming before two years ago when you were at the black zillions uh before that like i have a wedding business so i was doing weddings my big black ass was doing weddings which is funny i go to these weddings and people be like because will sit down will's gigantic i'll tell you six five so he's towered over all these people i really thought like man my life is miserable at one point. I was like, I'm just shooting these. Yeah. After a while, like you win an award and another award and another award.

And it's all based off reviews. Right. It was like, man, I got to do something more than this. So I did like basketball documentaries in Italy. I lived in Italy for a minute. I went to China, did a basketball documentary there because that's my background, basketball. But after that, I was just like, man, what else can I do? And I literally just stumbled.

I saw the gym one day, Jocko. And I was like, that's where them Black Zillions train. And I went over there and that's how all of this started. So you just walked in, no martial arts training? Nothing. I just saw the gym. Wow. And I was like, that's Jocko.

I know the Black Zillions train there. So I went in there like midday. Nobody was in there. And I just said, listen, I'm a filmmaker. I would love to film some of these fighters. Did you go to school for that? Yeah. So I went to college at University of Southern Indiana in Evansville on a basketball scholarship. I was the top senior in America coming out of high school. And I went to this top division two school after I tried to wait my senior year to get some division one offers if people know like division one is the top level of basketball and then division two is right under that probably not now but back then it was and um I went uh Bruce Pearl was my coach he was very persuasive to get me to come to the university he coaches at Auburn now.

They just went to the Final Four this year, if you know anything about basketball. But I played my first year, and then going into my second year, I tore my ACL. And my life was over. All I knew was basketball. If anybody know anything about Carbondale, it's about 25,000 people. People don't leave that town. It's kind of a miserable thing. I think the average household median income there is like $16,000 a year for families.

Jesus. Yeah, so you come from the bottom. Did you get it repaired? Yeah. So I had surgery. I had the red shirt. So when you're in college and you sit out of here, you red shirt. So one day I was dating this girl and she was going to Walmart.

And she literally was just like, oh, you want to come to Walmart with me? And I was like, yeah, I had some Pell Grant money and I was addicted to the remember the MTV show Road Rules and Real World. Yeah, I used to be addicted to that stuff. So I used to watch it all the time. And I went to Walmart that day and bought a camera. That was my Sony Handycam. The one you used to put little mini DVDs in. And that was the birth.

Literally, my life changed as soon as I bought that camera. And I was like, oh, I'm going to just film my rehab and come back more ferocious. And all I was doing was like filming girls at parties doing bongs and shit like that. Literally, for four years, I had a camera every day. So you just stopped playing basketball? No, I continued to play basketball. I came back a year after my red shirt. every day so you just stopped playing basketball no i can i continue to play basketball i i came back a year after my red shirt um i finished it one of the top five scores in school history and

university history top four rebounds all-time leader and field goal percentage all-american my senior year we went to the national championship played on national tv everything after that was done i wasn't the same player after i tore my ACL. I can just admit that. I was this high-flying, super freak, athletic, 45-inch vertical type of player. I couldn't do that anymore, so I had to adjust my whole game. What was wrong? I don't know. Maybe I just, you know, it was different back in 2001, right? As far as the surgery?

Yeah, as far as surgery. Did you get the patellar tendon graft? I got patellar, yep. That's a rough one to come back from. That's a rough one. And they don't do that anymore. They still do. They do?

Yeah, George St. Pierre had that done. They do that sometimes because they think that the patella tendon, I had it done in 90, no, yeah, 93. I had it done on this leg. And then this one I had the cadaver, which was way easier. Cadaver's like a six-month rehab and I was back to jiu-jitsu 100%. I was always like slightly knock-kneed, right? And it's like that surgery made my left knee even more knock.

And it's like that's why I was telling Jamie, like, I need that because I feel like I need to, like, strengthen my IT. Oh, you mean Jamie has this crazy roller thing. What does that thing call again, Jamie? A roll recovery. Here, pull it up. All right. I got it. Yeah, I need up. All right. I got it.

Boom. Yeah, I need something like that. Jamie's showing everybody. There you go. It's crazy. Heavy duty. You clamp that thing down your thigh. It didn't seem that good for my calves.

Well, you were standing on it. You can't have any tension on it or whatever. You have to have a loose muscle. But your thigh, it seems like it would be a lot of pressure because it's like a spring. Yeah, the thicker your muscle. Yeah, it's like, I don't know how much weight it is pushing on it, but it's a lot. And you could also push with both sides. Yeah, for sure.

What's it called again? R8 roll recovery. It said medical grade on the box. I was like, okay. Medical grade, like weed. Yeah. I feel like I need that to wake up my left leg still to this day. Two decades later. Did you go through rehab and everything?

I did. I did all that. It just didn't work as good? So listen, I recovered fine. My college career was totally fine. But you just didn't feel the same? I just didn't. Honestly, I lost the love of basketball.

Honestly, after- Filling girls' bonds. That's all I had in my life was basketball. So once that was gone, even when I came back, I wasn't the same. So even though I had games where I was 25 points, 15 rebounds, like great games, winning all these awards, all regional. It just wasn't there anymore. And I had this camera that I love to just have because that year off, I was able, like my first ever film I ever did was I went around campus and filmed like girls and asked them

who the hottest athletes was. And I felt like they gave me power. It gave me power like just to be able to, because back then that's when Girls Gone Wild was popular. Oh, wow. Yeah. That was 2000. Girls Gone Wild. Wow gone wild remember that remember that

man girls gone wild doug stanhope hosted that at one point in time yeah that's funny but so i graduated college in 2004 and um i moved to phoenix with my best friend mr organic and uh he was out there just living and i wanted to get out of my little town. So I went out there, and I kind of wanted to take a year off and then try to play professional basketball because you either play in the NBA or you go overseas to play basketball. So I went to Phoenix with no idea what I was going to do with my life, and I literally started working at a call center. It was a – what was that old phone company that went out of business?

I can't remember what it was called, but I used to just call people, collect and try to get them to sign up for long distance. And then you get caught. Like I got caught every word in the book every day. But it was funny, like people's calling you the N word and everything. And you just laughing because they bad. Right. And then you like convince some like 90 year old lady to sign up for long distance. No one is illegal as hell. Like you just convinced convincing this lady to sign up for long distance.

But I was good at it, though. I was good at it. So that was like my first job I ever had in my life. So it's like one of them shady phone. They call you up. Like I get those robo calls. Yeah. You did that like do you

want unlimited long distance do you feel guilty a little bit but they went out they went out of business uh like six months after i uh had the job okay and uh i from there i just didn't know what i was gonna do and i had uh um he's not my cousin but he's like somebody we all call our cousins like black people we call everybody our cousins but he's like somebody we all call our cousins. Like black people, we call everybody our cousins. But he played in the NBA. His name was Troy Hudson, and he was from my town. So he was like the most successful person that ever got out of our town.

He was playing for the Minnesota Timberwolves. And I reached out to him because I basically was like, listen, man, I need help because I want to play basketball again. But I don't know how I'm going. I don't have an agent. I don't have anything. So he kind of invited us up to Minneapolis. That's the first time I literally went from Evansville, Phoenix to Minneapolis to try to pursue this whole basketball career. And I did that for like three years, like chasing it, going to tryouts, things like that, sending tapes to agents and things like that. And it just didn't pan out.

Nothing stuck. You know, I had opportunities. And it just didn't pan out. Nothing stuck. You know, I had opportunities. I just wasn't the same player. And I can admit that. And I'm comfortable with that because I know I had a successful basketball career. It just didn't go to the level where I made millions of dollars. So after that, man, I was literally stuck. After traveling around the world, I ended up in Malaysia.

I was in Australia trying to pursue. You don't want to know how I ended up over here? I do want to know. Man, this is funny. Only a few people know this story. So when you at your bottom, you try to find something for comfort. I've never done weed or anything in my life,

but I was addicted to like online dating back then. Really? Yes. I was like trying to meet girls, like just to try to find some situation. I felt like, oh, I feel incomplete. So let me like online date or whatever. And I met this girl, like one of my friends in Phoenix played basketball in Kuala Lumpur.

So obviously you need a visa to go over there. So I'm thinking to myself like, what's the way I could get over there to Kuala Lumpur and try to play basketball? So I was like online, dated. I don't even remember what website it was. Well, I understand you're a good looking guy. I know. How are you not getting girls in America? I do.

But I'm just saying, I was just, listen, my whole point. I'm sorry, go ahead. My point was, I literally met this girl in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. She was from Canada. She was a singer over there singing in little military bars or whatever. A little hot blonde or whatever Little hot blonde Or whatever she was And

I remember talking to her For about a month And I convinced her That I wanted to come visit her But my whole intention was Let me get over there Try to find out What this team is

And see if I can like Try out for them Some crazy shit You don't do that today I did it back then So I went over there To

I'm laughing because I know people that know me is dying listening to this right now this is a true 100 story I get over there to Malaysia with no money I may have four hundred dollars I got people to pay for a ticket yeah I'm going to Malaysia to play basketball just lying to people right so I get over there this girl I don't want to say her name she might sue me uh but she picked me up at the airport she looked exactly like her pictures beautiful from Canada everything so she take me to her apartment she got this nice apartment it's like in the jungle Joe like I'm talking about the balcony I seen like little monkeys on the balcony

whoa yes it was crazy and then it's like a rainforest right and then in malaysia if you ever been to malaysia i don't know if it's like there now the doors are high off the ground like two inches so it's like anything can crawl under the doors or whatever so that's the first thing i noticed when i got to malaysia i was like this is some crazy shit right we're in the jungle and the the like what about snakes or bugs i remember asking these little kids when i first got to malaysia i was like have you ever seen a snake like in this area and it was like yeah i seen a cobra and all this stuff and i was like holy shit but the back to her she turned out to be a sex addict yes congratulations man listen yo this is crazy like because this is way before i ever

decided this i'm gonna do film for a living right i was over there um the first day i got there like i had a good time with her then i you know ended up having relations with the lady and she turned out to be a sex addict so you know as a man i just flew all the way across the world to see this girl you sleep with her and then all of a sudden she want to do it again and again and again and then when you like slow down like you know i just got here bro she started crying and going nuts and i'm in malaysia i'm like i don't know who this girl is oh no listen she's crying because you won't fuck her again? How many times did you fuck her? About two times And she wanted to

Yeah Two long times too Like shit Like it was crazy So I am Listen I am in Malaysia I'm not in America

I'm in Malaysia So the crazy thing is Probably after a week She started to go crazy And complain about I'm not sleeping with her I'm in my i'm in my prime my sexual peak and you don't want to sleep with me and i'm just thinking to myself like

i don't know what the fuck am i doing over here in malaysia like with this lady so i ended up meeting this black guy uh that she introduced me to there was like a hustler in kuala lumpur malaysia and i started hanging out with him just to get out of the house and you're like living with i don't have any money to go home oh my god so i'm just stuck in kuala lumpur with this beautiful girl that you have to fuck all the time first world problems right serious first and then she started getting even bitter like i hate americans you americans are so ungrateful. And I'm just thinking like, damn. Wow, you're representing America. Yeah, it was crazy.

I was like, damn, I must have just didn't do it good enough. I thought girls be lying to me. Right? Well, maybe she's just extraordinary. She was like in her late 30s and I was in my early 20s. Some girls in their late 30s, they hit this itchy peak. Man. They're all the time she ended up she ended up kicking me out of her house in Malaysia Joe like I went out with Bobby one night this dude his name was Bobby too and um I came home and she said um your stuff is outside like she texted me I had a little international phone she's like

your stuff is outside I'm thinking like she was like yeah this is not working out so think about that imagine being in another country and this is not working out no money no money zero not a dime and i the guy that i was with i told him what happened he was like i'm gonna take you over there get your stuff you can stay with me until you figure it out i get there and all my stuff is outside with me until you figure it out i get there and all my stuff is outside everything she's not there she's done left or whatever and i had some brand new timberlands remember the boots timberlands i am poor shit i need them timberlands they in the house i haven't worn brand new so i kicked the door down boom oh no yes like i was trying to get in the door i just kicked it and it broke like the little handle broke i got in got my timberlands left i remember she texted me she was like hey did you break my door I was like no I don't know what you're

talking about I just left so from there I was I stayed with Bobby for like three weeks in Malaysia I was hanging out with him every day going to parties and I'm like bro I gotta get home to America so I contacted my one of my uh mentors growing up uh in australia he was playing pro professional basketball in melbourne named rashad tucker shout out to him and i convinced him to get me a ticket to come over to melbourne because i was like bro i need some money to go home and he was like nah man i just get you a ticket to come to melbourne i was like bro literally like i'm trying to go back to amer. I don't know what to. But then when he sold me on, I was like, damn, I really ain't going back to nothing.

So let me go. He was like, man, you can come over here and try out for the team. You can try out practice with us. And I was like, oh, that may be my opportunity to play professional basketball. He's one of the top players in Australia. So I ended up in Melbourne and I was in Melbourne for three months not doing shit but going out practicing with the team this it was mid-season so I couldn't like make a team because they was already you know they think and then I ended up getting stranded over there too because he left me because he cheated on his girlfriend and uh he had to go make up with her so he left me talking

about I'm gonna be back and then i was just stuck in australia like yo bro i need to get back to america no job no job no money nothing oh my god he was like uh i'm glad i was young when i did all this stuff he was like hey man tell her tell one of them girls a sob story they'll get you a i'm like a sob story. Bro, you have money. Buy me a ticket to go home. Man, I can't do it right now. I'm like, man. So I had to tell this girl a sob story. Her name was Deanna.

Deanna Kassar. I'm giving her a shout out because she saved my life. She bought me a ticket home. She went in her savings and bought me a ticket back from Melbournebourne to honolulu to las vegas and um i didn't know why i chose las vegas but i just chose to go to las vegas so you literally had zero money zero money how were you eating shit her people that i was around right they just fed you yeah man sometimes you have angels in your life yeah and i guess these people were angels to because that's i was just telling jamie like i just seen a documentary on homelessness it was like four out of five people in la county paycheck to paycheck i think it was like eight

like or it's four out of five people are like one four hundred dollar emergency from being broke or it was like 80 of people live paycheck to paycheck so i always always tell people, like, when I'm inspiring people now, I'm like, bro, I was homeless once because that's essentially homelessness. If you ain't got an address, you can't pay bills, you're homeless. No matter if you got a roof over your head. And I feel like people, you see all these beautiful moments that I do now or what anybody does, and they don't see the story that ultimately led you. Like what ultimately turned to you doing what you're doing now?

So after Australia, I went to Vegas. I was living with two strippers. Yes, I lived with two strippers. Congratulations again. Yeah, I lived in Vegas with two strippers that worked at the Rhino, the Spearman Rhino. I met them on Craigslist for rooms to rent jesus christ and i had enough money like six hundred dollars to move into a room so i literally moved in with these girls and one day have you ever been in the vegas casinos because this is like the climax

you you ever seen like the mega bucks slots? Sure. So one day it was Floyd Mayweather versus Oscar De La Hoya. So that was the year. I was in the Mirage and I seen these two hot black girls and I had like some money in my pocket called a hundred or something.

So I wanted to sit down next to them. So I went over there and sat next to them and was just, you know, trying to shoot the shit. And I put a $20 in them slots because, because you know you can get free drinks if you put in a slot so i just hitting it talking to him where y'all from y'all going to fight blah blah blah and then one of the girls was like hey you won i was like oh okay you know you think you ain't winning no slots guess how much i won how much nine thousand dollars whoa swear to god nine $9,000. Whoa. Swear to God. $9,000 till somebody broke.

Wow. Yes, $9,000. So when they give you that, do you pay taxes on it later? Yeah, I gave them the wrong social security number though. You gave them the wrong social security number? Yeah, I gave them the wrong social security number. You could do that? Yeah, because they just asked you your name and your social security number.

Oh, okay. Maybe you shouldn't have just told everybody that. I don't know. They can't prove that I want anything they can't that was like 12 years ago they didn't have records back then i don't think so i hope not nah me too ain't nobody gonna watch this nobody's watching this no one this this is nobody's gonna watch nothing so after that i literally lived off that um nine grand for about the rest of the summer and uh i ended up moving to san diego after that like i'm skipping some stuff but i moved to san diego and that's when my life changed because i lived in san diego and was just partying what

brought you to san diego i met a guy in vegas during the night of the floyd mayweather fight and just partied with him that night and I just got his phone number one time. And then I was just, you know, staying in touch with him or whatever. And then he was like, I live in San Diego. He's in the Navy, Dr. Bill. And I literally said, let me come out there one weekend. I was like, let me just come out there and kick it with you or whatever, because he was telling me how great San Diego was.

And I went out there and I didn't leave for four years. San Diego is pretty awesome. Yeah, I love San Diego. But I essentially was doing the same thing I was doing for the past couple years. Lost. Because you got to understand, like, athletes go through this now.

Like, I just did, I just released the episode with Ron Bader on my channel and I talked to him about that. Like, when your sports career is done, a lot of people go to something else. They lost and things like that. And I was for about four or five years and it wasn't until I lived in San Diego that I figured I was like man I gotta really do something with my life I'm literally a failure I gotta I have a college degree I graduated from college so it wasn't like I just didn't want that

responsibility of having to do a nine to five or things like that. So it wasn't until I live in San Diego that I literally talked to the guy that I was living with and was like, bro, I don't know what I'm gonna do in my life, bro. But I got to figure something out. I was like nearing 30. And I ended up moving to Minneapolis, back to Minneapolis. And I got a job as a teacher like a teacher's assistant they called it behavior assistant I was like working with kindergarten kids Jesus literally crazy life right what a crazy life to end up where I'm at now to be on Joe Rogan right so it it was March 3rd 2011 um it was like negative 20 degrees outside I was living with my guy my best friend and um I went to work that day and it was freezing outside and they literally still went to recess that day. I'll never forget that.

They was like, oh, put your coats and gloves on, kids. It's time to go to recess. And I was like, what do you mean? Are we going to the gym or outside? They was like, we're going outside. I was like, man, these people in Minnesota are crazy. Those are hard. Those are hard people, bro.

That was the last day I ever worked in my life. You said, fuck this? I can't do it, man. You can't be outside in that weather? It was just the fact that I was like, what am I doing with my life? I'm working with Kenneth. Great rewarding job. I'm like, what?

There's nothing wrong with me. Right. I'm physically able to do anything. I'm intelligent enough to do anything. I'm qualified enough to do anything. You're a victim of circumstance. Things just kept happening. Things kept happening. And a lot of it is my fault like because you're just lazy right so march 3rd 2011 is the day i said i'm quitting my job i went back to my apartment with my roommate

he was pissed he was like bro you're always quitting jobs and he was like bro what you gonna do i was like bro i'm i'm finna figure something out i'm finna buy a camera or do something he was like yeah yeah whatever and and we literally was sitting in the kitchen in this little kitchen on the floor talking about life because i was just telling i literally mentally broke i was like bro i'm just jacked like i gotta figure something out i had pale grant was coming up i was getting my my tax returns back and I had enough to buy a camera. And the first camera I ever bought was a Canon T2i. It was like $800 and I bought a lens and that was it. That was it. It changed my life. And I literally spent like the next year shooting videos in garages, like cars coming up, filming the wheels. And I was just really literally honing myself

because back then when I had a camera in college digital cameras wasn't even out until 2008 like these little new style cameras so I had to relearn everything and I relearned a lot from YouTube and Vimeo and I was watching the I had a creative eye and a mindset so I was just like I got to get the skill set so I started doing rap videos for fifty dollars, one hundred dollars free. You know, I tell all these kids that message me now, like, bro, I spent two years doing videos for free just trying to learn how to do this stuff. Everybody want to get paid for something. And I'm like, you probably don't deserve to get paid yet.

So I have friends. Shout out to Mac Irv Mr. Organic Like I was shooting their videos For free And I was just getting better I was just getting better And better And better And better And then like

Three years into it I shot a music video Called Saks Fifth Avenue And So you're editing these as well I'm editing them I'm doing them all What are you editing on

At the time I was editing on Sony Vegas Okay An old program Now I remember that It's It's now. It's pretty easy to use. And it was cheap to buy, like 90 bucks. So I was able to use that, like the movie studio version. You don't get all the little tools, but you got enough. And I had this cheap laptop that this

girl bought me. She lied and told me she was going to buy me a camera and then end up buying me a laptop. I was pissed off. And I was like, she was like, listen, like the most popular camera

back in like 2011 was like a Canon 5D Mark II. It was like $2,000. I couldn't afford that. So I met this girl online literally from denver colorado from denver colorado and you know you start your little love affair whatever you talking you promising and i want to see you so one day she was like i'm gonna come see you in minnesota this is around the time i started and uh she told me she was

gonna buy me that camera because I was telling that's like my dream camera my dream camera and I remember my roommate uh like I run in his room like look bro look at this short film that was shot with this camera I'm finna have this camera bro we finna do all types of things so she like kept telling me she had the camera kept telling me had the camera so like the day she came I picked her up i had this little used 1992 ford taurus it was blue and um i picked her up the airport i remember i was like where the camera at soon as soon as she picked me up where the camera she was like don't worry don't worry don't worry and i'm like driving thinking like man she ain't got this camera she lied to me she just want to

see me right so we get to my apartment and my boy he anticipating it too he's like man he's gonna get this camera we're gonna shoot all the music videos right because if you get this camera at this time you oh you shooting with a 5d so i remember she like put she was like here's a gift it's like she put out the gift and i'm like this ain't no camera box it was a brand new laptop and i'm sitting there complaining. I'm complaining about a laptop and I already have a camera, but she like give me this laptop and I was just like, all right, cool.

So she gave me the laptop and I, I get the Sony Vegas program and then I started editing with that. And I had that camera for about two years. I was going to grow. I don't know. There's a lot of that in my life and I don't blame them girls listen man yeah i used to be one of those guys you know them girls that's materialistic and they all about nice things and they like to travel or you ever date a girl and you like see her previous boyfriend and they be like damn they

done went to like napa valley and fucking vegas for her birthday or new New York pressure and you're like damn I can't even take you to the movies I'm like damn so for me if a girl get tired of you now they call it ghosting right they call it ghosting but back then ghosting that's what ghosting was it's like oh this guy ain't worth nothing let me get rid of him so she left I she left I had a summer job my last ever official job was at 43 hoops in minnesota it was a basketball academy where i was there with a lot of pro basketball players or semi-pro or guys that had college experience and we just taught kids all the time and um i was getting paid you know 20 an hour 25 an hour per session to teach. And I kind of made a ruckus there too, complaining about just, bro, we teaching 20 kids and I'm only getting $20. How much are y'all getting for all these kids? Right. But I mean, that's just work, right? I shouldn't complain

about a job, but that whole summer I was just telling everybody in there, I'm finna do film. I'm moving back to California. I'm about to just do film. I'm about to do film. Cause I had enough, like I was doing videos at that point, but now I have a part-time job and I'm ablena do film I'm moving back to California I'm about to just do film I'm about to do film Cause I had enough Like I was doing videos At that point But now I have a part time job And I'm able to do videos And I'll never forget One day

I was telling a group of guys In there I'm quitting this job And I'm finna go do film And I just remember To look on they face Like You know like the boy

That cried wolf Like whatever man You ain't gonna do anything But that drove me insane Joe Doubt Doubt drove me insane joe doubt doubt drove people doubting me that's what i needed i needed that fuel where people could tell me i couldn't do anything needed haters i needed haters and it drove me insane and i went nuts and i started

shooting a lot of music videos that any videographer out there that knows this industry they know like music videos feed you you make a lot of money it's a recession-proof business people always gonna need music videos especially rap videos and i got good i got very good i did a lot of high profile videos i made a lot of money who'd you do them for i did uh music videos for like rappers like chief keef you know yeah yes you did his videos yeah that seemed like you'd have to wear a bulletproof vest to be around that it was a video called Traffic. You got to check that out. Oh, okay.

I think I've seen that. That's you? They went wild on the streets. Oh, I would imagine. Wild. They're legitimately wild. Yeah, there was real gangster shit going on with the Chicago rappers and stuff like that. Well, that dude is like the king of that shit, right?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's only like 20, right? I think now he's like 20. Nah, he probably like 23 24 now yeah they was kids man but i was shooting a lot of music videos in minneapolis and i got popular because that's a huge music scene it's a very indie you know prince made it popular but i think the hip-hop scene is very enriched there they just don't they haven't had anybody like explode out of there so I made a living just in Minneapolis like shooting music videos but after a while I remember I was dating

this girl and this one lasted a bit and I remember I used to brag to her like look at this music video this music video and she was like you want to just be known for doing music videos you want to be a guy to just do music videos you need to do other stuff and that's what woke me up I was like let me see if I can tap into my creative side and do other things so i did like a film called like the confessions of skid row i will literally went to skid row and filmed homeless people oh wow yep and is that available yeah it's somewhere on the line online freaks me out yeah it was called the confessions skid row and then i did it was i was like i'm gonna make this this series called the confessions and then i did the confessions of Skid Row. And then I did it was I was like, I'm gonna make this this series called The Confessions.

And then I did The Confessions of Gay Pride. And I literally interviewed this guy in San Diego about how when Obama passed. Don't ask, don't tell. Like I interviewed this guy and he told me how he came out to his parents. And I'm like, I know my boys just look at me like, what the hell are you doing? Like these type of films. but i was fascinated by documentaries so i was like let me just do this type of documentary content doing the one on skid row did that have like an extra impact on you because you were basically homeless yeah 100 i told i told the guy i was like i was literally homeless so i know what you feel like and i don't think people understand that like if i look at my life now i live in downtown la view of the staples center things like that like they don't think people understand that like if i look at my life now i live in downtown la

view of the staples center things like that like they don't understand years ago i didn't have i couldn't afford to live in a 400 a month apartment you see what i'm saying because you didn't have any guaranteed income and that's how it was even the beginning of my film career i lived out at like you know them shitty hotels well they're not shitty to everybody, but like extended stays. Yeah. I lived in extended stays for like two years. Literally, like say I was getting $400 for a music video from a rapper or something like that. I would use $200 of that for six days in extended stay because, you know, that was like $30 a night. It'd be nights where I'm like, damn, I got one day left. I got to convince somebody to give me like $200 to shoot a music video so I was hustling like reaching out to people on Facebook hey man you

trying to shoot a music video you trying they not knowing I need this money to just live somewhere wow so once I was able to sustain enough income because it's just too long of a story but I was able to really get myself to a point where I was making some money i moved to florida when my best friend tone from macedonia six foot nine macedonian mercenary that's what he want to be like he a crazy guy like he wants to like go around the world and kill like drug dealers that's literally he's from macedonia man they're crazy man they're crazy so brother tone i moved in with him in boca raton and that's literally how it started that's how all of this anatomy male fighter stuff started i moved to florida live with him i had a roommate so it was cheaper to live i went to italy that year and shot a

documentary so i got some money from my guy bobby jones and um i was able to have a life i felt comfortable i wasn't like felt like a a monkey was on my back at that point so you're getting momentum i got momentum um i had a lot of momentum at that point about 2014 i was making money so when you were doing these documentaries like uh confessions of skid row and confessions of gay pride like what are you doing with them and how are you getting paid from them just releasing them online for free really and i didn't get paid for anything i paid i paid like i paid like the homeless guy to let me talk to him they gotta be on vimeo they gotta why don't you put them on youtube and get the ad revenue from yeah that was back in the day though but you but there are they out there right

now yeah okay no i have i have a great one if you know alan watts yes so i it's called the beauty of nothingness by alan watts if you put the beauty of nothingness by alan watts and Will Harris, you'll see one of the most beautiful homeless films you've ever seen. That was like three years ago. I went to New York. I was here in L.A. I was in Florida. I was just sitting on the streets with homeless people talking to them for two days. And is it Alan Watts' narration?

Yep. That's amazing. It's The Beauty of Nothingness. It won an award in New York. Well, when I first saw it, I don't remember what video I saw of yours that was first, but I was like, this guy's got an eye for shit. It's not the stance. You know, sometimes you can see videos and you're just watching a video. Like, okay, this is cool.

I'm seeing how these guys are training. I'm seeing their lifestyles. I'm seeing their family. But then you see one and you go, oh, whoever the fuck is filming this, they know what they're doing. That's what I got from you. Well, it's because look at all the shit I've been through. Yeah. For sure.

But it's also your focus. Yeah. Like you have a vision. Like it's very clear that you're an artist. Like when you're doing these videos, it's not simply you're filming things. Like you're thinking about how to film. Yeah, 100%. You're thinking about the angles, how to edit it what what you know how

to have people talking you hear their voice while their their mouths not moving because they're talking from another you know what I'm saying yeah the narration yeah when you see things that where someone puts it together and like it makes it richer makes it more interesting and did you ever hear of a documentary called hoop dreams yes it was uh that was my high school life like they were older than me but when i was in high school that film came out that fascinated me and i was like a documentary documenting somebody for five years follow their life i was obsessed and then my favorite documentary of all time is pumping iron oh of course so when i saw that in college i was like i want to shoot documentaries so i was always obsessed with documentaries like i don't know if you remember you remember

banging in little rock yes yes that was on hbo right yeah banging a little like all those that's what i like i don't like movies i like documentaries me too so for me i've always was obsessed with docs i'm like if i can ever shoot a doc i know where that passion comes from so when i literally moved to florida like i literally just reached out to shannon briggs one day i was like because i was doing weddings and music videos so i was making money especially with weddings i was making a lot of money with weddings because that's just i mean people get married every weekend right right so i mean you can get and if you get good enough you can get three four thousand dollars a wedding video so i mean i'm booking two a week i started to get to a point where I'm.

Let's go champ. Yeah, that's one. Yeah, that's the one. I love him. That's the one. So that was that was three years ago. Did you ever see the podcast I did with him? Yeah, of course. Yeah. He was called Portrait of a Boxing Gym. Yeah. So like he's a fucking character. Who is the guy Deontay Wilder knocked out? Bermaine Stervane? Yes. Stervane. Stervain? Yes. Stervain.

Stervain. Yeah, I remember he was in there that day. So I used to do stuff like this before I ever decided to do Anatomy of Fire. When you say who Deontay Wilder knocked out, you got to say everybody fought. Yeah, that's true. 40 knockouts, 41 opponents. He's the craziest fucking record in the history of boxing. He knocked out Tyson Fury too.

Well, basically. 10 seconds. Yeah. He didn't get up. He's the craziest fucking record in the history of boxing. He knocked out Tyson Fury, too. Well, basically. Ten seconds. Yeah. Yeah. He didn't get up. That's my dream. Listen, if you ask me who my dream guest is on Anatomy of a Fighter. Deontay?

One, I would love to do a behind-the-scenes fight companion with you guys. Just be in here with the camera filming y'all motherfuckers talking. But that's what the fight companion is. No, no, no. But out in the hallways. No, no, no. But out in the hallways. No, no, no. Because Eddie Bravo bring up some crazy

conspiracies. Well, hopefully Eddie Bravo will be rolling our eyes and try to get away from him. Hopefully I get Eddie Bravo on the day with Cheeto Vera.

Yeah, you'll get him on. Yeah, well Cheeto's fight is canceled, right? I know. Are they trying to give him a replacement opponent? I was hoping they Shout out to Cheeto Vera.

Yeah, he loved your show by the way. I love him. He's a tough motherfucker. He is. I love Sean O'Malley too. That was unfortunate. hoping they shout out the cheeto yeah i was he loved your show by the way i love him uh he um it's a tough motherfucker he is he uh i was hoping he got too that's it was i love sugar sean i love both of them i love how he's taking it too yeah like he's taking it because you know i've seen a lot of people online talking about you know are they gonna move the car to enterheim now it's like no they ain't doing that for sugar sean No, no, no. He got a tainted supplement. These new studies or these new tests that they have, they are so fucking extensive.

They catch shit that you did years ago. That's crazy. And if you took a tainted supplement with something that has zero performance benefit years ago, it can still show up in your system. Whereas they used to have like, oh, it'll be out of your system in six weeks. Especially talk to a gym professor There's a lot of cheating in professional sports There's a lot of cheating For sure A lot of cheating in MMA

A lot But less than there used to be Because of USADA and Nowitzki And what the UFC has implemented 100% there's a lot less But supplements are a dirty business I know This firsthand from on it from being one Of the owners of on it and not even

Supplements tainted with things that Are illegal when we first started making Alpha brain we had it independently Tested we get all our shit third party tested And we were like what the fuck is this doing In there we had stuff in there that's not supposed to be In there well it turns out when you get stuff Made like say if you have a you put together some sort of a pre-workout drink and you want to

have vitamin b12 and all these different things in it you get those mixed by a third party lab this lab mixes it all for you but you don't know what the fuck they're doing they're not cleaning out their vats they're not cleaning out their shit so they might have been doing steroids right before they do your shit and you're having to make mix you up some creatine and your creatine has osterine in it which is like yeah what is that some kind of steroid i don't know what it is it's some kind of steroid i was talking to uh the bodybuilder mike rashid about supplements because you know obviously he a bodybuilder yeah he has a company i think he he works with trifecta, too, or something like that. And I was just like, how does that happen, like these tainted supplements?

And I interviewed him about it. I'm going to release it one day, how he goes into it. But, you know, with bodybuilders, they catch flack because they're bodybuilders. You've got to be on something. But these guys know their shit. He has a legitimate business. I'm sure he does, but most of them are on something. Like if you want to get to the size of like a lee haney you don't get that big without steroids it's not a human size you know when you get to like um you know just go back and look at like franco

colombo oh man my favorite oh my god you know but but then you look at like frank zane frank zane you can get that body without steroids. That's possible. What about Francis? Francis Ngannou? If he started to be a bodybuilder. Oh my God, he'd be gigantic. There's freaks.

There's natural freaks. Kamal Usman is a freak. Yeah. Tyron Woodley's a freak. They're freaks. Brock Lesnar's a freak. There's freaks. Look, there's girls with giant tits.

They're born with triple F tits. This is how it works. Some guys have 20 20 inch dicks this is just how the world works some people have big noses the world's weird i wouldn't want to have a 20 inch dick though no it's too big and imagine saying that i know it's too big but you can't complain though you can't complain eight and nine is good but you know how many dudes are crying out there with a three inch dick they'll be like 70 more inches yeah you're better off having a 20 inch dick than a three inch dick if you just find a girl who's had like eight kids and just wreck her it'd be weird like listen you want to know another fun another funny online story in my

life these was all in the past but i remember uh dating this like older lady and she was like i'm a freak i'm a freak i'm a freak and i was like how much of a freak she is like she went in her drawer and pulled out like a dildo that was like 20 inches i was just like like a horse cock and i was just like what the fuck am i do with this i did everything on my powder she didn't feel shit i got mines mines though, Joe. I believe you. I believe you. Hey, there's some weirdos out there, man. We all weird in a way. Yes.

Everyone's weird. We all, listen, vegans are weird. Yep. People that say they don't drink are weird. Yeah. People that only eat nuts and berries are weird. We all weird in a way. Atheists are weird.

Christians are weird. You can't judge nobody. I'd be like, oh, I never smoked a weed in my life. But then I'd be online dating. That's some weirdo shit. You've never smoked weed ever? Never. Not one time.

How come? Drink a little bit. Maybe five times a year. How come you never smoked weed? I had an addictive family. I seen it. And it was embarrassing and struggling. My mom was 14 years old when she gave birth to me and my mom was born the same month I am.

So she was born May 3rd. I was born May 19th. So she could have had me at 13. My dad was the same age. So I didn't grow up with any parents. I mean, you know, your parents,

I hate hearing that, but I don't know my dad, um, at all. I may have to either i may have talked to him twice and the only the last you know the last conversation i ever had with my dad he had got out of prison and i was living with his mom my grandmother the one that raised me and he like overtook the room that i was living in because it's his room again

like a grown-ass man telling his son oh jesus and i found his porn tapes and me and my best friend like i knew i was like yo you want to watch some porn so i like went up in the closet took out the tape put it in and then i heard him coming in the house so we ran and put the tape back and this is how precise he was with his porn probably he noticed some clothes moved so we like left the house he came out the house hey stay out of my room i said man shut up you're a grown man watching porn this is my dad that's like the last conversation i've ever had with him wow he's been in prison in and out his life that's the thing it's like listen man everybody can make a picture out to be poor me yeah i don't that's not me

me telling you all this stuff ain't poor me it's just real it's just life right right where i'm at now is beautiful you know i was filming videos to survive and then i finally found something that stuck i never in my fucking life thought it was gonna be mma never crazy never so you you saw people with addiction problems and you just didn't want to have anything to do with anything yeah i just thought it was luckily for me man i found sports in the fifth grade and i just was i have an addictive personality whether whether there's masturbation or anything right i have a very similar situation you know what's crazy i've seen one of you like what's fascinating about this podcast is that if you go to your channel on youtube and you go to click oldest videos that's

why i'm not in in a rush for anything because everything takes time. I looked at like one of your podcasts with Eddie Bravo, like three hours long. You got like 11,000 views. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Like 20,000 views. People always want to say like, hey, how do I get paid for podcasts? I'm like, do them for six years.

Yeah. I didn't get paid at all for a year. I mean, this podcast is almost 10 years old and I didn't really start getting paid like five years ago and that's it's fascinating to see that like you go look at your oldest videos 20 000 30 000 views yeah and that's the thing like mma fans are fickle right they like who they like they don't like they like it's only about three or four fighters that can get a lot of views but on youtube that's that it's that way with everything that's what i'm saying comedy so we were yeah and people are fascinated like i i'm lucky enough to know a khabib right or somebody like that like i didn't know who this guy was until rashad evans was like yo let me

introduce you to my guy ali and then i met ali filming some henzo gracie stuff for him um and he was like yo i like I like you, man. Let me put you together with my fighter. You know who Khabib is? I was like, is that the guy that fought Michael Johnson? I didn't know who Khabib was. He was like, I think y'all would be a good fit because the way you do stories and stuff like that, I think he'll like you and you'll like him. And I literally met him of January of last year of 2018 in Boston

when Francis was fighting Stipe and Volkan was fighting DC and that was the first time I ever met Khabib and the rest is history I filmed him up there he was fighting Tony um then I filmed him doing the whole Conor fiasco a la Quinta then I went to Dagestan I went to Dagestan what's that like intense but it was it was beautiful because people tried to scare me when i was supposed to go to dagestan who like i got people in the ufc that was like oh be careful over there i'm thinking like people that work for the ufc yeah just saying like be careful like and i'm thinking to myself like in my dms on instagram like bro just be careful they don't fucking play over there i was going to i went doing went doing Ramadan last June at the end of Ramadan.

Did you have to observe while you were there? So Khabib wanted me to come during like the last tail end of Ramadan, right? So I went over there by myself, went and got my visa in Miami and went over there, just got my ticket. And I went over there. I remember the first day I got there, I was in like customs for like two hours because they couldn't speak English at this little airport in Dagestan. And Khabib was outside and he wasn't coming to the airport because he's too famous. Right. And this is in the middle of the night. And I remember when I first got there, it was just checkpoints everywhere when I got there

like we like drive down the street person with some guns I'm like all right cool I don't know where we at but this is Dagestan and um I ended up getting to this this I stayed at his uncle house I think and from there it was it was just a beautiful moment the Dagestan Chronicles is my most popular thing on my channel obviously because it's showing Khabib in a way no one's ever seen him um I observed Ramadan the whole time I was there I didn't eat I didn't drink I did exactly This is my most popular thing on my channel, obviously, because it's showing Khabib in a way no one's ever seen him. I observed Ramadan the whole time I was there. I didn't eat. I didn't drink. I did exactly what Khabib did, because I think a problem with us a lot as Americans is we take our culture somewhere else. And I wanted to observe their culture and really see what it was like. And I was fascinated.

I wanted to know why women covered themselves. And I asked all those questions. All of that stuff is in the documentary. And now when i get all these millions of people watching these videos the most common thing is like where is the women at and i'm like why are these people so obsessed with where the women at and and i literally went into that like i asked like when you when these women are married you don't point a camera at these people like i've seen women you just don't point a camera at them it's rude right and that's like in their culture in their culture did they explain this to you yeah they did and they did how what did they say they literally just said they look at they like I talked to a couple of them a couple people over there and it was just like we look at our women as women as queens and we cover them because

in in in the in the Quran is you know the man is weak to the flesh. So they don't want their woman to be, you know, looked at by other men. Yeah, that's the word I was looking for. So you just cover themselves up. And in our culture, you know, that may be weird, but I respect it. Like what they told me, it made sense. It literally made sense where it was just like, listen, we don't let another man look at our wife. Right. I'm not going to bash on that culture because I feel like that's silly. A woman can do whatever they want to do. That's just how they feel. Like I don't, you know.

So but I've seen women. I've seen some beautiful women, too, in Dagestan. So it wasn't the fact that I didn't film any women. I've seen women. But they explained to you when you go here, you cannot film the women. No, no, no. It was just, yeah, in a way. Like, just don't film another man's woman. Like, I think I talked to Chris Wyman once when I was at his gym when I was doing A La Quinta. He went to Chechnya.

Yeah. And he told me a story. I think him and Vordun went to Chechnya. And he was telling me a story of, of like he accidentally touched a woman's hand and they like literally got on like you don't touch another woman. You don't touch a woman's hand over here because that's bad on her. Right. Right. And I was like, damn, that's crazy. You came because he said he was just like reaching out, shaking people's hands. Right. You know, human instinct. You reach and grab somebody's hand. And he just said, man, that's a different culture over there. A woman can't touch another man's hand.

Yeah, that guy from Chechnya, the leader of Chechnya, he's like really into MMA, right? He flies people out. Yeah. You know what's crazy is that I don't know anything about the guy or his politics or anything, but I know that he obsessed with fighting right i know tyrone spong been over there and yeah why i'm in and all these guys i just met uh nick the tooth the other day and they went up they went over there to chechnya him and the mendez brothers uh did i say jiu-jitsu yeah they had i think the mendez brothers had like a uh Mendez brothers Had like a Seminar or something

Seminar I did like a preview Of Cheeto Vera And he was talking about it In there Like they did a Jiu Jitsu Match in front of some Oligarch

Over there Like it's crazy right Like they flew him Over there for that Yeah Well he's got a lot of money Yeah Hey

I'm not even fighting These sponsors Didn't he give Khabib Like some crazy mercedes when he won i think i saw that on instagram he got like a gift i think he gave him some crazy s class khabib getting that dubai money now though he's always in dubai look i mean since his fight he's been in dubai how many times what's he doing over there speaking things like that i mean when you one of the most famous i think he's like top 15 and the most famous athletes now

I mean, when you one of the most famous, I think he's like top 15 and the most famous athletes now. Well, for sure. And definitely the most famous Muslim athlete. Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean. And the only UFC champion that's undefeated other than Jon Jones, who should be undefeated if not for that one fucked up disqualification.

After spending time with Khabib in Dagestan, like me and his father going into the mountains and things like, I just don't see nobody beating him. I'm sorry what you throw at him. In what way? I just feel like just his pedigree of where he's from. It's nothing that's going to break that guy. It's not, you can't, what are you going to do? I just don't think there's nothing you can do.

After going to Dagestan and seeing how those people live and how they're cold and their values of how they live. In what way? What was so convincing? and their values of how they live. In what way? What was so convincing? Well, just how strict the faith is over there, right? And they tie in everything they do to their faith.

It's sort of like how Ali was. Like, I'm not going to lose because of Allah and things like that. And I truly believe after seeing just the camaraderie over there, the gyms they train in, the mountains, everything that makes this guy. It's nothing in an octagon that someone is going to do like this going to beat Khabib. Like everything can happen. A fluke can happen. We see it all the time. But I just feel like mentally there's nothing that's going to break Khabib. Like if I feel like if he was ever in a situation where he had to tap, he wouldn't like you. He would just have to put him to sleep because I just don't think that's possible.

Like, to beat him. I honestly feel like Khabib can't lose. I just don't see nobody beating him. I've been in locker rooms of fighters and you got a butterfly feeling and things like that. Like, when he fought Conor and I was in a locker room, Khabib was FaceTiming his people in Dagestan laughing. And Javier Mendez is like, let's get focused. Let's get focused. Let's get focused.

Khabib is not caring. Wow. Khabib just ready to go. Right? When Tony Ferguson was fighting Pettis, he like hit mitts with Javier. And Khabib's just looking up at the screen. Javier's like, let's get focused. Let's get focused.

Khabib don't care man it's a different level he always said that's like his favorite thing this is a different level that's what I love about him man it's like people are obsessed with the fighter I like Khabib as a person and that's the thing that I get out of this anatomy of a fighter it's like just hanging out with this guy but like if you ever watch my series i never really talk about a guy's fight coming up like if you ever watch anatomy fighters not about your opponent it's just about your life because i felt like when i created it i felt like these organizations wasn't promoting fighters all the way and not yeah they're gonna promote the top fighters and things like that but what about the guys that are two and one in the UFC not

ranked like they in the UFC like they may get cut after a couple fights like what do they have left after that and I was just like let me create this series instead of a documentary and just continue to build this and follow these guys lives and that's all I really wanted to do it was no hidden incentive where I was like I'm gonna make millions of dollars off this i'm gonna end up on a joe rogan podcast it was like i love following these fighters and telling their stories because it's sort of like similar to my journey you know these guys are what was the guy that just fought um duron win in greenville eric spicy or spicely whatever his name was he tweeted like oh i had he just got they got fighting tonight right he was like i had two minus 270 in my bank account yeah i've been there joe so that's why i

i get the passion out of doing it because i've been there with these fighters i've at this point of my life i've paid for fighters flights and hotels because they couldn't get a hotel like these fighters know that some of these fighters know that to where i'm able to help them and i i'm funding this all on my own breaking myself so i'm to me i'm just thinking on myself like you're doing this for a specific reason you're passionate about it you want to tell these guys lives and i just really wanted to offer another glimpse into fighters lives other than fight week and are you getting paid from the youtube revenue yeah i my account is monetized and verified yeah monetized and uh verified and depending on a month is it can be a good month it can be a bad month um it's surprising to me i haven't got a sponsor yet

like as popular as the channel is but it is what what it is. You can get one now. Probably. Who knows? I mean, shout out to like people like 8 Man Strong. Like, you know. And that's Ryan Bader's company. Yeah, that's Ryan Bader. Shout out to Adam,

the owner of it and his brother. Like, they was the first people to ever send me stuff. Like t-shirts. I was just happy. I was like,

damn, I got some free gear, right? Like, man, finally, I remember seeing their shirts back when I first started with Kamal Uzman was wearing their stuff. you know companies like that you get money here and

there from them but like to sustain this like remember fight land remember the show fight land i heard they went out of business because of funding wasn't it vice yeah something like that vice company because i doubt they went out of business because of funding vice probably just decided to stop doing it. Listen, Joe. Was, right? You travel. But Vice is a billion dollar company. That's true.

Were they? I believe Fightland is a Vice show. Wasn't it? Well, let's find out. Yeah, find out. I'm pretty sure Fightland was Vice. If you flew to Phoenix for three days to do comedy and get a hotel. And you know how expensive flight.

So imagine me funding this on my own if I want to go somewhere for three days. Well, especially Dagestan. Yeah, shit like that. And where are you staying when you're in Dagestan? I was staying at Khabib's family house. Oh, wow. Yeah. So I stayed.

They put me like above a store. And he told me he gave me a key. He was like, brother, lock this door at night, brother. Jesus Christ. He was like, don't go outside. Oh, my God. I still went outside. Did you?

Yeah, I still went outside. Where'd you go? I just was roaming, like walking around, just filming stuff. What's it like out in Dagestan when you're roaming the streets? Well, they never really seen black people over there. So I was like a little celebrity over there. And you're a big one. And they know I'm from, I'm with Khabib. So I was cool with that.

Oh, so they knew that. Yeah. Okay. So they're all friendly with you? Yeah, they was chilling. Do they speak English? A couple people did. A couple people did.

Did they ask you questions? Yeah. They asked me questions. They, you know, they, they obviously, I had already been with Khabib at that time. You know, I was, that was past the Conor McGregor fiasco. So, you know, my channel get popular because of something like that. Right. They just watch anything Khabib related.

Khabib got some crazy fans, man. And how many people live in Dagestan? Man, I don't know. Jamie, pull that up. Do you always want to say that? Yeah. I saw some of the videos Of people celebrating

When he won It was fucking crazy man The streets They're honking their horns When he won The title Or when he beat Connor When he beat Connor

Yeah that was crazy 2.9 million Yeah okay Cool So So it's You're It's a city

But it's essentially like Nestled in the mountains Yeah it's big. The mountains are like right next to it or something? Yeah. Like sort of like Denver? Well, when we went to his mountain village, we had to drive like two hours to get there. Oh, really?

Yeah. Like we had to go on the borders of Chesney. I had to get another visa. Oh, wow. Just to get through that checkpoint. I'll never forget. Like we got to the checkpoint and we had to all give him our stuff. And then Khabib was like, get out.

And the dude was like, get out. The army guy with his gun. And then I get out and I come around the car and Khabib is like, get your camera, brother. Right. And then he was like, they want to take a picture with you with the camera. I was like, oh, thank God. What the hell are y'all about to do? I caught like a bad case of diarrhea while i was

over there because i eat nothing but meat i was trying to do keto while i was over there and listen the toilets are just a hole in the ground do you have to squat yeah you got to squat and pull the string or whatever oh jesus so i remember like we was driving from his village at the that was like my last night there and i like i was all was destroyed i was like and we got two hours oh no we like stopped a couple times to eat and pray and all that stuff like you know and i remember like i was suffering and khabib like filming me with his phone laughing look at his brother look at his brother he's about to shit himself and i remember getting back to the place where i was standing dagestan oh my god i probably lost

like eight pounds it was crazy man it was a crazy experience man it was a crazy experience in dagestan that's life changing changed my life how long were you there for nine days wow it changed my life really yeah because when you in this type of industry, everybody materialistic, we all want nice things. We want to live in nice places, want to drive nice cars. I do. Most people do want to live nice and comfortable. And I saw just how happy these people was just living their lives. Like I went to his village. I went to his mountain village and I was in the city and I saw these people were just happy. in this city and I saw these people were just happy and maybe on on the outside they was happy and maybe they was dealing with other things that we don't know about but I saw familiness brotherhood and I I had a little bit of respect for their culture like obviously with Islam and

things like that is so many different sects that makes it bad just like with christianity and people in the catholic community and the priest and everything and that's my experience with the islamic community being around khabib so that's the only thing that can go off of and obviously everybody's seen muhammad ali and he praises and things like that but um i had a newfound respect uh for just the simpleness of of that like khabib i thought honestly khabib was going to retire after he fought connor because i talked to him a little bit about that and because he don't want much what did he say after the connor fight no no before the connor fight before yeah he was just like what do you think about uh me retiring after the connor fight

i was like man you do what you want to do i can can't tell you. He was like, I mean, I'm going to have money. What else do I need to do? Right? Because he obviously knew that was going to be the biggest fight ever. How much did he make for that fight? I don't know. Well, remember they took his check, right? But obviously he got a lot of money for that.

Yeah, they gave him a small... I think Conor had a $4 million check. And then Khabib had a two million dollar check and then obviously they had the pay-per-view points right so i was like damn where my money at i promoted the thing you should have definitely gotten paid for that video listen you know what's funny is that uh somebody asked me a long feels like if if you got anything out of this whole thing what would you want i'd be like a camera let's get a new camera so i could shoot some movies or something right that's literally the low expectations i had out of making the series right especially when it was a

documentary i was just like man maybe i make this documentary put it on netflix or amazon for free about fighters and now looking back on it the stuff that i have captured on them hard drives i can sell a documentary for millions of dollars i think i got amazing footage i got i got the whole connor thing that i got like that that tape is like 20 minutes nobody's ever seen it i have it no one's really seen the whole thing like i got connor when he first ran down the tunnel like because i seen him from a distance. I wonder if the UFC would be against you putting that on or pro you putting that out. Because—

Well, I put it out on my channel, a snippet, and then at the end of it, when it happened, I was like, watch the full episode on Embedded, right? I gave them their just due. Right. And then they literally told me, like, oh, we'll give you credit. I never got credit. I was just hoping they put, shout out to Anatomy of a Fighter for helping us get this footage. I never got that. They should have.

Either way, you're getting it now. Yeah. So here we are, man. Yeah. You know, like going from the first day I walked into that gym and seeing Kamaru Uzman, filming him for two years all the way to the title. I used to post videos of Kamaru Uzman on the channel. He'd get 4,000 views. And people are like, why are you posting this bum?

I'm thinking to myself, these fans are crazy. You can't pay attention to that. Those are just— It's hard, Joe. Those aren't even the fans. It's hard. It's trolls. It's a tiny amount of losers.

Yeah, it's crazy. That's all it is. Because I love the MMA fans. I'm close with a lot. We were talking about that the last time you were here. We were talking about the comments. You can't read it. You can't.

It'll drive you fucking crazy. Because the people that want to comment, that want to fuck with you, it's the smallest number, the loudest, the most vocal, and they have the shittiest lives. No one with a good life wants to do that. Yeah. No one who's happy and healthy wants to fuck with you and say it's crazy when you put your time and effort into something like say for example i flew to phoenix film shine and film baiter and then you spend all these hours 10 hours editing something and then you put it on and then somebody like this that dude sucks it's like damn man is

you appreciating what i'm doing or are you just trolling you're talking to morons yeah i mean that you're you're reading the thoughts of morons. You're reading the thoughts of limited minds. That's all it is. It's really that simple. Yeah, it's nuts. Anybody thought

that Kamaru Usman was a bum? I knew Usman was a murderer years ago. I saw him fight years ago. I'm like, nobody wants to fight that guy. I know. I used to put your,

I used to love taking snippets of your podcast, your voice, because you're just that narration voice and putting it with stuff. And you can be like, oh, that was the universe pulling us together. But no, I just was like, this goes with this.

When you and Shaab are together, I love that because y'all able to bounce. Because obviously his experience with the fight game and then your experience with the fight game, y'all able bounce uh debate and things like that and i'm like that's a good mix like a lot of people go in on the episode i did at the weigh-ins with connor and khabib and it was like you and shop talking and that's just the narration shot of how i do film because that's what i love about document sports documentaries is narration and that's how i get it i get so many people that's like oh i want to i'm trying to do the same thing you're doing and i'm like don't try to be anatomy of fighter right like if i if i'm filming one fighter it's a thousand other fighters not just i don't want to just do ufc i want to do bellator i want to do one i want to do boxing that's why i was trying

to say earlier my goal i would love to do an anatomy of deontay water i bet you could do it i bet you i tried to get i had andy ruiz and really and they didn't so what happened was mike rashid reached out to me and was like hey do you want to do andy ruiz i was like i'm thinking john ruiz right so i'm like junior like junior or senior right and he was like no the guy that replaced big baby miller and that's one of my good friends big baby miller and uh he was like, no, the guy that replaced Big Baby Miller. And that's one of my good friends, Big Baby Miller. And he was like, yeah, man, he's fighting Joshua now. He got a good chance. I posted on my Instagram a text message from him. He was like, man, it'll be a good opportunity because I think he can really beat Joshua.

And he did, and I missed out. See, those are the moments like the Conor Dolly thing. It's key moments in film, like this viral nation that you need to catch. That's why I film everybody. I film these guys that's not popular, things like that, because these guys may be the champions one day. And I want to be like, I was there at the beginning. That's the thrill you get out of it, if anything, right? Yeah.

And I film the Suhudos. I film the Uzmans. I film the khabibs i've i've been in locker rooms with the title winners i've been in there when vulcan lost but you were telling me some great footage that you got that you wouldn't have gotten that story wouldn't have got out about suhudo about suhudo coming back from the olympic gold medal winning the olympics in wrestling and then fucking living in the gym to to the Golden Globes. That's crazy. Crazy. I never knew that.

That's the ecstasy I get out of filming these guys. Like you hear these little stories. Yeah. And I was like, you never talk about that. Right. Like, you know, he's running with the whole heel of the gold medal thing. Well, he's doing some weird shit now. He's like, he's calling himself the King of Cringe.

King of Cringe. What is that about? Well, because people was calling him cringey. Why is he hissing then? You know how they rake on Luke Rockhold? Because he's like triple C now? I'm now triple C. He's running with it.

He's like the Mexican Kobe Covington. He better be careful. What he is is a fucking beast. He a beast though. His mind is just unstoppable. The fact that Marlon fucked him up like that in that first round and was chewing his legs up. Oh, my God. I mean, I did not think.

And it looked like he was going to get KO'd. It looked like he couldn't close the distance. Marlon looked calm and comfortable and super professional. And then a switch flipped, and then the second round came around. And Cejudo's just walking him down and closing the distance. Then he gets him in a clinch and lands knees. I'm like, this is like a fucking movie. That's albertson and santino defranco and all those guys over there uh that definitely has something to do with those guys you know when he lost

special athlete i did not know when he lost the dj so who was lost he went on a whole world tour to find himself he went to thailand he went to brazil he was training everywhere after he lost after he lost the first time yeah and that's those are the stories yeah right there like he felt like as he needed to get better as a martial artist well he did i mean with dj at the time it's arguable now who's the best it's like him or john right now he's at one fc it's a totally different ball game but what what DJ was was the most complete package we'd ever seen. The guy who you couldn't hit could hit you. He could wrestle you. He could submit you.

He could strike with you. He had incredible footwork and speed. I mean, DJ was just perfect. And that night, he just found that opening, just fucked him up with knees to the body. I mean, DJ, man, there was moments dj's career where i remember watching him and calling this fight i'm like god damn this dude's special it's like something about what he's doing he's so far ahead of everybody else in the division so far i think i'm about to go up to seattle or kirkland that's a great idea for one fc concentrate on matt hume matt hume is a bad

motherfucker oh my god he's got such a deep knowledge and understanding of the sport. You ever see him fight? Nope. Matt Hume stopped Pat Miletic back in the day. I know Pat. Who did he submit? Kenny Johnson? I forget who it was in one of those. They had a professional submission grappling pay-per-view event at one point in time.

Frank Shamrock submitted Dan Henderson. And Matt Hume was a fucking straight-up killer. I mean, he was a really, really good world-class mixed martial artist back when nobody was. He had excellent Muay Thai, excellent submissions. He was good at everything. How is the Seattle MMA scene? Well, I mean, there's been great guys to come from it,

like Josh Barnett and, of course, Mighty Mouse being the biggest one. It's not as big as come from it like uh josh barnett and of course mighty mouse being the biggest one it's not as big as say like miami like where you're at in south florida that's that's the biggest yeah that was uh when i lived in south florida that was that i mean black zillions and american top team on one spot and then a plethora of world-class jujitsu around that area i mean and then also world-class boxing obviously i mean that's where um i mean um what the fuck is his name sugary leonards trainer muhammad ali's trainer um the old guy custom model no no no no no no the old guy who said to say cuss no no no you're blowing it son what the fuck is his name old italian guy fuck i can't remember his name i can't believe i can't remember his name this is embarrassing um sugar ray leonard's boxy trainer angelo dundee

yeah angelo dundee you're blowing it kid yeah when he comes out and stops tommy hearns the next round yeah that was that was uh that was miami denver so i'm not gonna be in la long like la of course not you're a gypsy man you just move around so my whole thing is honestly joe i'm i need to i want to settle somewhere though where do you want to settle denver's so this this is that this is all i was going to ask you so these are the three cities i'm thinking about okay to settle for maybe a few years four years back to san diego, Denver, and Seattle, which one should I choose? I would say San Diego or Denver.

I love Seattle, but that rainy season can suck my dick. You can't do it. It'll drive you crazy. When it rains for seven weeks in a row and you look out the window, you're like, I got to get the fuck out of here. There's not enough online dating, huh? Ah, you and enough online dating huh be sitting in there swiping left right

no it's just vitamin d man it just it really is it's not good for you i love san diego san diego i love it well i love san diego i live in a nice apartment complex now and the good thing about it is i can transfer they have a relocation program like if you want to transfer 30 miles away that you can do it for free so i can choose those cities oh so like i can just transfer to them cities and i'm thinking like man i got to get out of downtown la man that's gross it's gross it's not a real downtown it's not like downtown new york it's like the walking dead at ross yes bro listen i go there all the time it's gross i went in there the other day and i was going to get like some

quest bars and um i seen like this dude in the aisle like and he and he was like what's up man and he had like a basket full of stuff and then i look at him again he's just like opening up stuff eating it like you go to another, somebody just roaming with a cart. And these is all homeless people just putting stuff in carts and just didn't get kicked out by security. And then you see him and check out. And you're like, this is crazy. It's every day. Downtown is insane.

It's infested with homeless people. Like you can't fix it. Like the only way to fix it is bad. You'd have to take them, arrest arrest them put them in a plane and fly them somewhere and drop them off but that's what i heard they doing i heard they did that to la like dropping people off didn't we go over this we went up and someone got sent to like indiana yeah what we we looked this up and in fact they've been doing that forever sending people all around the country this whole flight paths of what they did with homeless people.

They just send homeless people and let someone else deal with it. Shit, they need to drop them off in Denver. It's bad. I heard Denver getting bad, too. Of course it's getting bad. With that weed money. The weed money and now mushroom money. Because now Denver decriminalized mushrooms.

Prostitution next. Woo! Probably. Cheaper than dating these days. You excited? Hey, man. L.A. boy is tough. I probably just spent a lot of money on first dates. Yeah, I'm sure. probably cheaper than dating these days you're excited hey man la boy it's tough i don't i don't i'll probably spend a lot of money on first dates yeah i'm sure it's a very materialistic city

because it sucks to be a man in dating because you gotta impress well if you can impress it doesn't listen when before i started making money and having money dating was fun because you was broke and you can do smoothie dates and Starbucks dates and then you know you was going to spend five, six bucks to have a conversation. How old are you now?

I'm 37. Yeah, you're too close to 40 to be doing that. I know, you can't do that no more. You got to take chicks to Palm Springs for the weekend

and things like that. Well, they want a nice meal. I like that stuff now though. Sure. They want a guy who can take them to a nice dinner and buy them nice things.

I don't fault any woman that wants a man that has his shit together. Yeah. Because for so long I didn't. And now I do. Now I want to have some fun. Of course.

Yeah. Forget that. I ain't trying to complain no more. But as far as like cities, the vibe, I love the vibe of San Diego and I love the vibe of Denver. I love those cities. Yeah. I'm leaning towards back to San Diegogo because it's still close to like i

just drove to irvine the other day i was like that was a simple drive yeah as long as you do it early yeah you try to do that shit at four o'clock in the afternoon you want to shoot yourself yeah you will want to there's irvine improv i work out all the time dude when i have a seven o'clock show i leave here at fucking noon and i'm not playing games i leave here at noon i get there early i check in i have dinner i don't fuck around with that 4 p.m. traffic. It's insane. It's nuts. It took me six hours to get down there once.

When you went to Shob's show when he had his special, how early did you? Noon. Noon? Noon. Damn. Got a hotel just to put my shit in. Checked in. Checked out.

I didn't even stay there. My daughter had an event the next day that i had to go to for school so i was there i said yeah i drove that back that night damn after the show after the second show that's a easy that's an easy drive though i remember it's not bad yeah especially late late at night yeah you get a couple red bulls in you you're fine yeah i got to la quick once uh from when i lived in San Diego. I used my boy's truck. I met this girl online in the middle of the night and just drove. You met a girl online in the middle of the night? Listen.

You used this online shit. I know. If I ever was going to end up on a Joe Rogan podcast, I thought it was going to be for me writing a book. About online dating? Really? Confessions of an Online Dater. I swear. Well, you should do that.

Well, you don't need a book, but just do a video about it. Do documentaries about how crazy it is. I used to film girls and interview them and everything. About dating. Like, what sucks about dating

and things like that? Online dating is only existed for like, like, it's rawest form 20 years. Right?

Rawest form was 20 years ago. That was like AOL. That was, you was a weirdo then, though. Oh, wow. Listen, if you do Tinder or Bumble in LA, you seeing celebrities and everything on it. Really?

Yes, chicks. Like all these successful chicks searching for love. Wow. That's scary, though. Why is it scary? Because you don't know who you really meeting. Like for a woman, imagine being a woman. It would suck to be a woman.

That's got to be weird, a successful celebrity woman trying to meet dudes. You want to hear this story? And this is crazy. So I met this famous online female trainer, beautiful, here in L.A. She's very popular. I ain't going to say her name. I met her on Match.com. And I got her instagram and she we you know we exchanged our instagrams or whatever so i read i looked at it looked at her her instagram

and she was doing like you know content but on her phone like in her living room doing like squat jumps and things like that and i reached out to her like we set up a date we're gonna go hike and run you and do everything and i was like listen i i looked at your your your instagram page and your content i would love to be able to help you out and give you better content she lost it i don't need your help i don't need your help you look like you need to help yourself like i'm like i'm just telling you that i could help i'm like why like i am a filmmaker i could help you do some content like she thinking she took it the wrong way like i'm probably trying to take advantage of her millions of followers and things like that i was just like i was like man i'm gonna be single forever but i think sometimes that's also, there's a, there's very limited communicating with people on, in a text.

Yep. And they take it the wrong way. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You got to kind of meet people. Like if you, but I bet if you met her and you said, Hey, you know, you're, you are, you're beautiful.

You got a great body. These videos are great and everything, but I think I could make them even better. She still would have taken the wrong way. Oh, she was like in her 40s. Some people get set in their ways. She was an alpha female. You know, those alpha females that you can't. Some girls have been fucked over so many times,

they think everyone's going to fuck them over. It's like a dog that's been beaten. You ever pick up a dog from the pound? Oh, yeah. Yeah, I've had dogs from the pound. You're like, hey, I love dogs. Come on, I'm not going to beat you. They don't care.

It's nuts. So, yeah, I would probably san diego would be the move or denver i like both of them man i can't go wrong you can't go wrong well you can't go wrong mma wise like san diego has alliance you know san diego has a ton of great jujitsu shout out to my man boogie at 10th planet and then it's close to here yeah it's real close to here but then denver is the fucking shit. Denver got a lot of gems. Denver also has really good vibe.

I'm trying to do some stuff with them. I like the people in Denver a lot. I like the people in San Diego, too. I would, look, I'd flip a coin. If I had to move out of LA. I have no kids, so I would just flip a coin. San Diego. We're going.

That's it, everybody. That's how I'm going to do. I would be happy. Either one. You can't go wrong. And they're both A good size city You know what I'm saying Like not too crazy

Yeah Like San Diego Is a great size city And I'm not a going out guy Like I'm not I don't do clubs You know I go to a bar here and there

It cuts into your online dating Right It gets in the way Well I don't know I think in the early days I was in the clubs Every day Yeah

That's a waste of time. Yeah. And a lot of years I wasted just partying and not trying to get my shit together. So I feel like now it's different when you find a passion, man, and you get obsessed with it. And I'm obsessed with this Anatomy of a Fighter thing. Like I have a post in my phone that I was going to show you where it was like August 22nd, 2017, and I have 54 subscribers. And I was like 46 to my first 100. And I was like, listen, it's not a lot, but I appreciate all the supporters that I have.

So this is going to be one of the biggest MMA documentary channels in the world. And that was August 22nd, 2017, when I first started the channel. I couldn't even name an anatomy fighter yet. You have to wait till you get 100 subscribers. So like looking back on that journey and the sacrifice that I've made to like I went from South Florida to Vegas, Vegas to Florida, Florida to Vegas, Vegas to Florida, Florida to here. And now here we are. How many subscribers you have now? How many do I got, Jamie?

I think 238,000. Beautiful. Not bad. I have a little thing in the back from when we had 100,000 subscribers. We got a little award. Yeah, I got one too. I was like, look at that. Silver Creator Award.

100,000 subscribers. That was my only goal with Anatomy of a Fighter. My friends have YouTube channels and I seen what they was doing. And that was a goal like the Silver Creator Award if you get 100,000. And I was like, maybe I get it in two or three years. That's what I thought. Like and I can just do this on the side. And then once once I started getting some traction, I was like, let me ease back on weddings.

And I'm leaving guaranteed income and comfortability to put my time and effort into this. Because now I'm like, I got 200,000 people following me. I can't go back now. I got to continue to build this. Well, it's going to be giant, man. You're really talented. And it's really good. And what I like about this podcast, what I was hoping this podcast was going to be is exactly what it was i love to hear people's stories i love to hear

that's one of the reasons why i like documentaries because i think we can all relate to moments in our lives where we're lost or we just didn't have it or it wasn't we you know it was all wasn't wasn't where we wanted it to be and trying to figure out how the fuck do I get it together? How the fuck do I make it happen? It's the real world. It's the real world? Instagram is fake. You make it look whatever you want, but documentaries won't lie.

Exactly. And that's the reason why I love doing that form of content because it's just like everybody. Listen, one thing I've learned about the whole series is that everybody's not going to like a certain fighter. One fighter is not going to get a lot of views. Some people are not even going to care about that fighter because that's just the way momentum and popularity is. But that's when I love it the most. Like somebody asked me the other day because I had posted a picture on my Instagram of the NBA draft. It was one player sitting by herself while they was interviewing zion williamson all the media and you know how it is in media day in the ufc

everybody got their name well this guy was sitting by himself and nobody was trying to talk to him and i said yo if you ever in this position use this as motivation and i think like kamal uzman posted like i've been there where nobody want to pay attention to you so somebody commented was like would you rather film khabib or a regional lfa guy i was like the regional lfa guy i take pleasure in connecting with people just like me i'm not popular it was that picture right there like nobody's paying attention to him and and that's how no thanks it's you just click no thanks in the pop-up ad that's essentially what they're saying about him yeah no thanks so that's that's how i feel even in the media circuit with what i do that's how it is with everything yeah i mean i've been there as a comedian i've been there in the

early days of podcasting you know it's it's how it is it's just life is a journey and what i love about your story is that people can relate to someone struggling and then figuring it out yeah and then it gives them hope like okay i'm struggling now but if i just make the right moves and put the right amount of effort and focus and and dedication to something i can make something happen everybody can i really believe that and i love that it's one of my favorite things i'm a i'm a success junkie i love watching other people's success i'm a big fan of other people that's the great it's the greatest yeah it's it's the greatest helping people yeah listen i'm i've been in locker rooms when they lose and i'm in there when they they win and

it's the same for me i feel bad for the other opponent like i people always ask me do you get any type of excitement out of filming guys win or not? Not really. I'm just telling the story. You have to be like that. Kobe Covington, Kamaru Uzman. I would love to be neutral and film both of them and do a story on Kobe and a story on Uzman. People always get mad.

It's like, why don't you post about this fight? I'm like, I'm funding this myself. I can't. First of all again stop reading those fucking comments dude they'll change perception so i've i've met people that have gone mad reading comments they go crazy they think the world's out to get them i'm like hey you got like a hundred people that are talking shit to you and then you got a thousand million or whatever the fuck it is they love they love you don't don. Don't, don't do this. Yeah.

Don't do this. But I, but I do wish I, I get, I can't wait till I get to a point where I can have the resources to go film a lot more content because I love doing this. Yeah. Like I would love to go to when you had Khalil round tree on and I had

commented on, on a comment on YouTube. Like I would love to do anatomy of Khalil in Thailand. I'll hook it up. I would love to do Anatomy of Khalil in Thailand. I'll hook it up. I would love to just go there. You want to go to Thailand? Do you know Khalil? No, I never met him.

He's amazing. Just go. But I ain't sitting on the edge of no damn buildings like he was doing. He crazy for that. He's crazy. But the transformation that guy's made as a fighter from when he went to Thailand, he's back there now. He's in Bangkok.

He's a beast, man. That Eric Anders fight, I was like, holy shit.ic is a tough dude he's as tough as it he did that's one thing khalil said he never even winced i mean he is eating leg kick after leg kick from a guy who kicks as hard as anybody i've ever seen that's crazy khalil is so fast when i was watching him throw those kicks i was like where who was this guy he was brutal how did you turn into this guy like you see his earlier fights and you see this so he beat gogan go what's his name gogan zaki not gogan and then he lost right yeah he lost to johnny johnny walker johnny he went and reinvented himself again johnny caught him with an elbow in the clinch man he

caught him with one of these one of these elbows in the clinch and he KO'd him and you know he just said okay I have to really learn Muay Thai and so fucking I'm going to Thailand I know he went to Thailand and I followed his Instagram journey you know I'm watching all his training footage and he just fell in love with Thailand and then he came back and I'm like this motherfucker's fighting like a tie looking like saget from street fighter but like a jacked muscular 205 pound boy too crazy that's crazy and the nicest guy yeah he couldn't get a nicer guy it's it's nuts to to see that transformation like to see him go from like this god it was chubby and and then this world-class fighter well does that too but the the difference between him and, well, it's hard to say, right, because the Gokhan-Saki fight was real quick.

He just cracked him with a left hand, and Khalil's very fast. And then to see him getting KO'd by Johnny Walker. But then to see, I've saw his other fights. I've seen many fights of his, but see the transformation. I'm like, what the fuck? The kicks, man. It was the kicks. He put it all together, he was fighting thai style it's like he was one more of the most representative of muay

thai i'd ever seen in mma because he you know he just he just absorbed it man what's what's better the thai style kickboxing or dutch there's no better man the thing is like look at ramon deckers ramon deckers went over there and he fucked everybody up in thailand and he was their size it's the athlete but it's also how they incorporate it in but you know just look there's some great thai fighters like um um who the fuck is i forget how to say his name that just uh doom bay just knocked him out um big time tie fighter uh he had like 200 pro tie fights he had so many and doom bay caught him with uh right in glory caught him with the right hand the clinch and KO'd him it's like everybody's style and doom bay is more of a

kickboxer it's everybody it's it's the athlete but everybody's style has merits. There's merits to just being that wrestler who ground and pounds and doesn't throw many kicks. There's merits to being that jiu-jitsu guy that doesn't care if they get taken down. It's just like, who are you, though? Are you Damian Maia on the ground? I mean, if you're Damian Maia on the ground, there's merits to that style. Damian Maia has strangled a whole lot of world class killers that never even got a punch off on him

Uzman got out of that wizard they broke it up they fucked they fucked Damian Maia Nabelev is the guy he knocked out in his last fight Doombe's a beast

well Cedric Doombe is an interesting guy man because he reinvented himself he was more of like a runner not a I wouldn't say a runner but more of a mover and he would win on points,

but then he just, the last few fights, it was a couple fights ago, two or three fights ago, he fought, I forget how to say the fuck his name. I don't remember how to say the dude's name. Thai guys have those crazy names. I'm going to do some stuff with uh glory too glory's amazing glory does not get the respect that it deserves i know i'm a giant fan i watch all the glory that's that's that's what fascinates me about what i can do yeah because people just think it's ufc no it's anatomy of a fighter is everybody anything yeah it's all of that

cedric dume babe concentrate on that dude he's my favorite Cedric Dume Kickboxers man He flatlines everybody He's gonna There it is Sitsong Pinong That's it Tong Chai Sitsong Pinong Say that real quick

Tong Chai Sitsong Pinong Go back to his So that guy that he fought Tong Chai Tong Chai had like I I mean, hundreds of fights. I don't know how many fucking fights he had total. It was more than 100 Thai fights and then a shit ton. Look, 136 wins.

Yeah, 175 fucking fights. I'll take 39 losses if I won 136 times. Yeah, he fought 175 times. That is insane. So, I mean, he's got that Thai style where Doombay's more of a kickboxer style. A lot of times people say, well, they prefer the Thai style because the elbows and the clinch and the knees, but Doombay flatlined him. It's the athlete.

It's the way they incorporate their style competing against the other style. There's merits to kickboxing i prefer the thai style because i think there's there's a real benefit to being really good at the clinch yeah to be and especially when it comes to mma real good at the clinch the knees to the body the elbows in the clinch and kickboxing doesn't allow elbows or knees to the body but we've seen world class kickboxers that have come on like like cro-cop yeah i had a tremendous success in mma going from kickboxing into mma i always wonder what like somebody like ray cepho then would do in a prime in mma like well look at mark hunt and mark hunt's

had a tremendous run and mark hunt he fought ray cepho right yes Yes. Yeah, he did. Yes, he fought Ray Cepho. I mean, when you go back to Mark Hunt, Mark Hunt really, I mean, when he won the K-1 Grand Prix was probably when he was in his prime as an athlete. And then he fought a lot of fights in pride. So by the time we got him in the UFC, I mean, Mark's in his 40s now, right? I mean, I think, is Mark still, is he retiring? He just lost his last fight, right? Who did he lose to?is um yes yes he lost to willis yeah i think so i think he's i think he's retiring though i don't know but he's probably close you know i mean he's had a long long when i when i was living in florida like my home gym

is hard knocks 365 that's where i started that's hen Hoof's gym, right? I love that guy. That's like my big brother, man. I love him. He's a great trainer. He needs a platform to tell his life story because it's crazy. Henry Hoof, he just got back from Thailand. He went over there. He told me, he's like, I just got away from the game for a couple weeks,

and then I came back refreshed. Because, you know, he's a beast. Like i wouldn't want to like get caught in the alley with henry hoof he's a big fella too yeah he's tall as me you're gonna kick your damn knee out like that's just how he is i done pissed him off a couple times he done kicked me through the cage why i just complaining like complaining like hey man these people didn't pay me enough and he like quit complaining like fell back i was like damn i was like holding on to the cage i'm like hoof is a bad man man you don't want to get on his bad side he's a great but he is a good he a great guy and i'm happy i've listened starting his journey i've seen so many people say oh hoof is a great coach but he

just can't coach a champion and just to see him grind and find, but he has champions. He has Ong and 1FC, the double champion. He had Michael Chandler, then won the belt a couple times. How do you say Ong's first name? Ong. Silent. N-Song. How you pronounce it?

I don't know. Ong. That's what I call him. He's a beast, man. He's a beast. People are sleeping on one fighters. And I think when you see guys eddie alvarez go over there and get ko'd and you see a lot of fighters go over there and have real i mean mighty mouse had a real hard fight he did that wasn't an easy fight i love chachri too it's a i love chachri as well but it's a different world

when you're not cutting weight it's a different world you know those advantages you have being big they don't exist anymore you're now fighting someone who's your size. I think it's better. I'm a gypsy. Hey, I would love to go live in Singapore for a year and just film one FC guy. Well, maybe Chachri, if you're listening, if he hears this, maybe he'd have you come down. I'll talk to the executive producer of content. They want me to do some stuff on though it is it's changing the landscape of mma

because it is literally larger than the ufc worldwide because of asia all the millions of views and millions oh my god millions and millions every imagine if i got the asia market on anatomy fighter with them subscribers oh my god and then well the good thing is you wouldn't be able to read the contents yeah the comments the comments would be all in asian you'd be like i don't know what they're saying great thank you perfect thank you appreciate it just don't fucking read them man it's tough man i know it is it's it draws you in yeah you'll be healthier and happier you get it like i had got addicted for a minute like when the khabib effect and connor effect is real and you post the video and you get 100,000 views within four hours. You like it's going to be like this all the time.

Then you post, you know, shout out to my guy Desmond Green, a video of him. And it's insightful and it's talking about some stuff and he'll get 5,000 views. And it's kind of like that. It's like a high. Right. And it's like I got away from it, though. That's the reason why I was like, you know what? I started thinking about a lot of stuff in the past month.

I was like, man, I just need to move somewhere, live a normal life and film. And I can I can go fly somewhere, come back home, live in Denver, live in San Diego and just be away from popularity and materialism. And and that's the thing. It's like I just want to stick to building this however long it takes. Like I said said if i look back on your channel and i see i can't imagine where this could be in six years yeah imagine where it could be yeah no and it can be gigantic especially when you think about the fact that you have so many different arts and and just different disciplines to study muay thai kickboxing dutch kickboxing boxing jiu-jitsu i mean there's so much you can study and so much you can watch and so much you can learn.

Are you going to train yourself? Kamal Uzman told me I should go over to Undisputed or Unbreakable. Unbreakable in LA? With Glazer. Why not? And just throw some hands. Well, just do something. I don't know.

It'd be fun. You've built for it. Shit. You have that long reach. That's these shirts, man. They make you look good. A-pan strong. Well, you obviously work out.

Yeah, yeah. I work out every day. Yeah. Every day. But I kind of, you know what? I did, I read a whole thing on runner's high yesterday because I was like, I want to get back into running. For endorphins?

Yeah. You're heavy, man. Yeah. How much do you weigh? 230. Yeah. The thing about running like i really think that a lot of people overdo it when they're when they're larger people in the

beginning and i think you really should make sure you you get uh someone who shows a mile a day is fine a couple miles a day yeah sure but make sure you don't run on concrete man no treadmill yeah i'm a swimmer though i you like i haven't since I've been in L.A., but in Florida, I swim every single day, every day for an hour. Have you ever used one of those Life Runner treadmills, those ones you self-propel? Mm-mm. We have one here. Oh, yeah.

They have them at the Institute, too. Yeah. What is it called? Not Life Runner. I made the wrong word. They have them at the Institute. Yeah. Yeah.

Aerosalt. It's like an aerosalt. The aerosalt bike, the same company, they make that treadmill. It's like an Air Assault The Air Assault bike The same company Okay They make that treadmill It's the shit It's literally 13 Something like 13%

Harder than regular running So it makes you better At regular running Yeah Is that what it's called? Yeah Assault Air Runner Assault Air Runner

Yep Okay Yeah I want to get back Into running though Yeah I'll show it to you When we get done here But it's It's really good Because you's self-propelled.

You're pushing it rather than keep. Because with a treadmill, all you're doing is lifting your leg up and putting it down. You're not really propelling yourself forward. You know what I'm saying? Like the belt's moving. But this, you have to make the belt move. And so when you're making the belt move, you're actually pushing with your legs and strengthens your legs up. I prefer it.

I'd be afraid to do anything at my age where, man, I'd be seeing these basketball players just tearing their Achilles by just stepping. I'm thinking like, man, that's tough. I wouldn't want to get kicked in my left knee right now. But I have, like I study things that I film, right? And I just be like, especially like henry hoof i'll look at all his leg kicks when he's teaching leg kicks i'm like if i ever get in a street fight i just

need somebody to properly teach me how to kick in that leg i'm disabling whoever in my face that's the first thing i want to do is kick you in your legs yeah i'll punch you in your face i'm athletic enough to beat your ass but i'm just saying like the kick it's the wrestling that's gonna get you because most fights end up on the ground so you got to know what to do when you're tussling with some when you go to ted's planet tonight just ask him to show you some shit yeah or choke with a choke with long arms are great for chokes man great for chokes and darces and arm in chokes because look at john john my height sure like i've been around john and i just think like you see john jones on tv and then you see

him in person you're like he a long motherfucker he's long and he will fuck you up the best at using it no one's better at using distance ever than john he did a did you see ever see the video he uh do you know dr bo high tower Yes. Like when he let John kick him. He did? Yeah, he just let, I guess he like. Why? He just let him kick him and John kicked him in his leg and he just buckled. I was just like, oh my God.

Why would he let him kick him? I think he had reached a number of subscribers on YouTube. Oh, geez. So for the. Decided to be crippled? Yeah. Yeah, John is a beast. I met John a few times.

I haven't done Anatomy of John Jones yet. Oh, is this it? Yeah. Watch this. It's crazy. He's putting his weight on it, too. John is crazy. Oh, boy.

He deal it to another doctor, too. Oh, my God. He's crippling doctors. And he didn't even hit him full blast. Nah. But you know how weak that leg can be. Yeah. If you don't train that and strengthen that.

How do you even strengthen that part of your leg? You get used to getting kicked there. You develop all these weird veins, too. It's real strange. Oh, man. You ever see Kevin Randleman's leg after he fought Pedro? Kevin Randleman with the hair? Didn't he have his hair blonde or something?

Yeah, sometimes. Some fights he had crazy blonde hair. He had big legs, was jacked super jacked but he fought pedro hisso and pedro hisso fucked his legs up so bad he had these giant like veins like weird like broken veins all over his leg randy couture had him too also from pedro hisso i like randy good all the years i've seen people kick legs, Randy probably, I mean, Pedro Hizzo probably kicked harder than anybody

I've ever seen. I remember I watched him at Beverly Hills Jiu Jitsu in the 1990s. He was kicking a heavy bag and I was just like, what in the fuck? His leg kicks were

preposterous. Just, funk! It would just bend that fucking bag in half and you just think about what it would do to your leg. Pedro fucked a lot of people up.

Pedro Hizzo was a fucking beast back in the day. I've seen a lot of people get fucked up in the gym. I just don't release it. Yeah. I got a lot of footage that I can't ever embarrass people. Right. And that's the thing. I appreciate all the fighters that have let me document their lives because they trusted me with the intimate parts of their lives.

I'm getting invited around these guys kids they wives like you just don't do that right so that's the respect level they've given me to where they trust me

that I'm doing well with the story so I appreciate all you have to take care of that yeah you have to hone it listen when I first used to come into the gym

with Hoofnim at the Black Zillions I remember Hoof was like, who the fuck is you? Who are you? Right. Like, what are you doing here? Right. Like, you have to gain that.

Like, I get so many fans be like, hey, do you think I could be with you at a fight week? And I'm thinking like, nah, man, you have to build your way to this trust. This is these managers have to trust you. Like the gyms have to trust you. These coaches have to build your way to distrust. This is, these managers have to trust you. Like the gyms have to trust you. These coaches have to trust you. You know, some people are,

you're real picky about what you film. And, you know, maybe it's one week after the fight. They know a lot of people watching your channel. Now we can't release. That's how they was with Cejudo. When Cejudo fought Marlon. Yeah.

I had released a snippet of the episode that I was going to release. And it was like, they was on the oppositeet of the episode that I was going to release and it was like they was uh on the opposite sides of the cage at the gym and it was like fight and then he came out exactly the way he was going to come out with Marlon but I wasn't paying attention it was slow motion he was just coming out so Suhudo freaking out fight week he like bro did you post this yet I'm like no he's like man you gotta take that down because that's exactly what I'm doing with marlin and i was like oh man what was he doing that was so unusual you know like soon as the fight started he was going to come out in a certain stance he was going to come out in a certain stance like a look you know his little karate style yeah and then he was going to

actually do i don't know what it was but he was freaking out and i was just like that the thing about marlin is marlon is a giant 135. Yeah. I mean, Marlon is so big. I don't know how much weight he cuts, but I know that California won't let him fight 135 again. Because California has that rule where you can't hydrate more than, I think it's 10% or 10%. So you can't blow back up. You can't blow back up. So he did blow back up in a fight in California.

He said, no more 135 for you. So it's very obvious that he's cutting a tremendous amount of weight. He's huge. He's huge. He's built like a comic book character. Yeah, he is. So I think that he cut way too much weight. And I think that contributes to his demise in the second round.

Because he couldn't take Henry out. Henry was locked on with the knees. I was like, it's 10 knees in a row. Well, it was ridiculous. And he let him clinch with him like that in a way that you don't do unless you're tired. And I think he compromises himself. I think there's two things going on. One, I think Henry has a force of will that very few human beings can ever possibly understand.

I mean, Henry has a self-belief and just a stainless steel will. That motherfucker just puts it on you and i think marlin outclassed him in that first round but i don't think it's sustainable i don't think he can keep that pace with that dehydration level and with what he's doing to his body to make 135 pounds i think he cripples so where does the division go now since henry is out here's the problem if he goes to 145 right if marlin goes to 14, then he doesn't maintain the same advantages that he has in cutting all that weight. Then he's the size of these guys. Okay, so he goes to 145.

Just think about guys like Calvin Cater that can flatline you. That can crack. Flatline you. Yeah. And he's tall and long, and that shit is not going to work on him the way it works on those 135-pound guys. It's a different world. You got Jose Aldo.

You know, you got Max Holloway, who's walking around at 180 and getting down to 145. That's his teammate, though. What's that? Zabit. Zabit, yeah. Oh, my God, man. Zabit is a motherfucker, dude. That's a Shaolin monk.

Woo! He's amazing. They're going to make a movie of him. He's another Dagestan guy. They're going to make a movie of him. Of Zabit? Yeah, he got a crazy story. Yeah?

Like Shaolin monk type stuff, sent him off as a kid type thing. Really? Yeah. Listen, Zabit, I've never seen nothing like Zabit. He's super technical. Filming him and training him. His English is getting better too. It is getting better.

That's a good thing for him. I think he's the next. Well, man, there's so many stars brewing in Dagestan. There's just so many of them over there. I'm sure. If they have that mentality and they're that tough, I mean, that breeds more people like that. You know, killers breed killers. You look at, like, gyms like AKA, right?

You know, you've got Cain Velasquez,iel cormier you know go down the line you know luke rockhold john fitch and just josh koshek how many fucking killers have come out of that gym you got to see uh the khabib and play basketball uh in dagestan when i was over there it's like one of my most popular videos where they train they play basketball full game hours of basketball and then train for two hours. No dribbling. But doesn't Khabib have fucked up knees? What do you mean by no dribbling?

It's called Dagestan basketball. They just hold on to it? Like rugby basketball. Come on. Look at this. What the fuck am I looking at? It's the craziest thing ever. They just hold on to it?

Yes. Yes. And no. They trying to wrestle. They throwing you down. People are getting choked out. Like it's the craziest thing ever. This is the most ridiculous basketball I've ever seen.

Khabib, so sorry in basketball. Well, Jamie, Jamie loves basketball. So this is hilarious to Jamie. This is crazy. White Russian basketball. Yep. Oh, my God. Look at Khabib.

What happens when the ball goes down? Oh, they wrestle. Yeah, it gets intense too. Oh, my God. I played with them once. Why don the ball goes down? Oh, they wrestle. Yeah, it gets intense, too. Oh, my God. I played with them once. Why don't they dribble? I have no clue. Look at his dad.

Look at his dad. Look at his dad. And he intense, too, yelling at him. They probably play with a medicine ball. No, they play with a medicine ball. Heavy as hell. That is so ridiculous. Watching people run around and play basketball without dribbling.

Look, look, look. That is hilarious. Look at Khabib. Look. Khabib scored. Look. Look, he looked at me. He pointed to me.

He pointed to me like he was happy. He was like, bitch, you traveled. This is not real. And they play for hours. That's so crazy. And then they're like, oh, it's time to train. It's time to train now. So that's their warmup?

Yeah. That's the gym Khabib trains in right there. Wow. That's it. That floor. Yep. Right there. Wow.

That's crazy. Look at these guys. Look. The fact that they play a different version of basketball. Yeah. Did he just get KO'd? What happened there? Man, at the end of this, Khabib is going to choke somebody out.

Really? Yeah. It's crazy, man. They do not play. And they run on the mats with their shoes on these motherfuckers are gonna get staffed look look look look look it could be what is happening here this is so ridiculous it looks like a running back looks like they're playing rugby yeah it's like rugby basketball that's what i called it but they call it a different thing in uh dagest That I found out What do they call it? It's something man It's like Australian rules football

Right? Like Dagestan rules basketball Yeah literally And I played with them And my knee was swelled For two days in Dagestan Because they tackled you? Oh they was killing me

And look After I was done Did you try to dribble? Or did you just play their way? I was scoring and everything But when I kept My knee started hurting Khabib was like

Brother You too big to be sorry. I was like, hey, I can't move, bro. What is wrong with you? You twisted your knee? Yeah, they was all arguing about picking me up. Remember that when I dunked on Khabib, I sent you that image of me

dunking on Khabib like he was trying to guard me? Yes. They really wanted to pick me up then. They was like, oh, we getting him. So I'm thinking it was going to be easy be easy i'm gonna just hold the ball up and jump boy they was taking my knees out oh they was taking it easy on each other until they saw the black dude when they saw the black dude play they was like oh we really not about to you know a guy who actually had the potential to play professional yeah and they and they go on cray look look at this this is hilarious this is such a weird way They take it serious too

Basketball That's fun Look The ball's like dead Every time it hits the ground It's got no bounce Or the floor's dead Or something

He dimed him though Well it looks like the floor Is a regular basketball floor It is Look how happy they is Look at his dad Like that Look at this running

With the fucking ball like this It's hilarious And this is slow motion So you see Look Push you out of bounds They do all that They did that to me

A couple times But they run on that Fucking mat Look at Khabib Look at this Watch this Look at this Here it is

Right here Watch this Look Look Look Look Look Khabib ain't stopping

So he's wrestling With this dude Why is he doing that Cause to hold him down. Like, now they're wrestling, wrestling. Look, Khabib ain't stopping. And they're doing it on the mat. Look, Khabib is a madman.

Oh, my God. He's taking his back. He's choking him out. He's hitting him. He's hitting him. He's hitting him. He's hitting him. He's hitting him.

He's hitting him. That is crazy. So they wrestle while they're playing basketball. Yes, they will tackle you down. So there's no rules. No rules. That is hilarious. Look, it's still going on. Oh, my God, you down. So there's no rules. No rules. That is hilarious. Look, it's still going on.

Oh my God, he's on top. The guy tapped already. Look. And now he's got him in an armbar. But the guy already tapped. Oh man, it's bringing back memories. But wait a minute. So you-

Look, now- People trying to get Khabib off him? Yeah. Why is he mad to do this? Because you free up another opponent so you can play. But look at Khabib. Look at Khabib. Look. That is hilarious.

He thought he was Dr. J right there. He thought he was Dr. J right there. The skyhook. Oh, man. That is hilarious. It's crazy seeing MMA fighters playing basketball. That's the worst thing ever. Well, this is not basketball, though.

This is something different. I mean, when you're not ever dribbling. Did you see the video of Francis trying to act? He paid an homage to Zion Williamson, and then he was out there shooting basketballs. ESPN just did it. Bro, Francis is the worst athlete. He's not an athlete, bro. I'm sorry.

If you can't, if you're 6'5 and can't dunk a basketball. Well, don't you remember when Mike Tyson was in his prime? Remember when you seen that basketball with the overalls? With the overalls? Oh, my God. Well, it's just he's got dedication to one thing. One thing. That's the thing. I mean, look? Oh, my God. Well, it's just he's got dedication to one thing. One thing. Yeah.

That's the thing. I mean, look at the pants. Oh, my God. That was bad. Well, look, look, look, look. He's laughing now. That's probably the first time he ever tried to do that. Man, and he will punch you with a pinky and your soul will come out your body.

He hits so fucking hard. When he hit Alistair, there's another kickboxer who made it big in MMA, right? Alistair over him. But Alistair was like a real, Alistair's very, very well-rounded. He's not just a kickboxer, but K-1 Grand Prix champion. You got to call him a kickboxer. But when he hit Alistair with that left hook, I was like, Jesus Christ. He sent him flying.

I saw it the other day. They did a free fight. They did a free fight on UFC channel. And I just watched it over and over and over. And I was like, damn, it was the follow through punch. Yeah. I was like, that's the scariest. The scariest moment I ever.

I wouldn't say scariest, but the most intimidating moment I ever have. I was filming Francis eating a banana and he didn't like it. He didn't like you filming him? I was in the elevator with him and Uzman. We was in Pittsburgh when we did UFC Pittsburgh when Rocco fought David Branch back then.

And Francis came to support Uncle Mauro. So they going to do jujitsu in a little workout room and Francis was like talking to Uzman opening in a banana. And I'm like,

he put the banana in his mouth and he started eating it. And I'm filming and he looked, hey, hey. He like slapped the camera away that was my boy though for instance my boy but that's before i really know i'm filming him eating you maybe he just didn't you know men with bananas in their mouth they might not like the banana in the tailpipe that was funny for instance intimidating man oh he's. When he clipped Cain Velasquez, there it is.

There's that uppercut. It's like an uppercut left hook. Like a shovel hook. Look at this. Boom. Right before that, his swagger, he had the confidence bouncing his shoulders like he was ready to. He believed he was the greatest in the world. And that Stipe fight changed his fucking trajectory, man.

It really did. Changed his life huh that's a really interesting fight because stipe was a real champion you know what's crazy i was in a room next to francis in boston and he didn't go he never went to sleep and i had my door like so my room was right next to francis and i had my door open because i was like if fighters come by i'm gonna just catch him with a camera your door open because I was like, if fighters come by, I'm going to just catch them with a camera. You just kept your door open? In the middle of the night, editing.

Because during fight week, you know how Embedded releases their series? Yeah. I'm filming all of these fighters, and then I'm going back up to my room, and I'm editing. But I'm already editing in my head. That's how I'm able to get stuff out that quick. What program are you editing with? Premiere now. Premiere.

And you're just doing it, just slapping it up as quick as you can? See, my method when I film is I'm already knowing What I'm going to use Okay so you're making Your cuts I know the opening shot I know everything Are you writing

All this stuff down No I keep it in my head Just keep And people be like How can you edit And release it that fast It's like It's already done

Before I go to my room I just have to go up there And put it together Music Everything I'm able to just I don't know how I'm able to do it

It's just Something natural I've been doing for years Well obviously You have a deep a deep passion yeah i have a deep and i've developed the skill set to it's easy you know they always say well you put in 10 000 hours and some you become an expert i feel like i put in my 10 000 hours doing all types of different types of shoots to to survive and now this is my arena this is my big Right. But I remember that week, Francis never went to sleep. I'd be like, bro, go to sleep. What are you doing with your door open?

Trying to catch you. And then he'd come in, sit on the bed, and look at what I was editing. Because obviously, I was filming him as well. And it was just funny. Like, just those type of memories. What time was it that he never went to sleep all night? Well, you know, you get there Monday, Tuesday, fight Saturday. So it may be Wednesday and you're still up at 3 in the morning.

Because you fight late. No, because think about it. Think about it. The last fight is at what time? 10 o'clock. Yeah. 9 o'clock. Well, L.A. time.

Boston time. Midnight. Yeah, midnight. Yeah, so he up because he can't go to sleep early because he got to fight. And that's one thing I discovered about the fight game. Like, damn, that does make sense. You're fighting at 11 p.m. Yeah, you want to keep yourself on that stage.

You got to say. So he's just walking around the hallways, big-ass Francis in Boston. It's crazy. It's like looking back on that stuff and it's like, man, I've captured a lot of stuff already. What's crazy is with him, you watch him and then this next fight against derrick lewis and neither one of them threw anything derrick had a fucked up back he really probably looked like the paulie paulie and artem fight nobody wanted to do anything that fight was terrible oh my god i watched it the fact that artem beat him in a boxing match it

shouldn't have been even no contest but paulie's's never had power. He's never been a powerful guy. And them hands is brittle. You know them hands is brittle. Yeah. But he's also, he's never been a guy that can just, like, keep you off. Conor really beat the hell out of him. I firmly believe it now. You think so?

Yeah. I don't, like, after watching that. Well, also after watching Pauly's examination of that fight afterwards. You're like, wait a minute. You thought you lost? You mean you thought you won a decision? You thought you got a shit decision? Like, you didn't do anything. Nah. Con you think connor gonna do whatever he wants probably do a lot of coke you know what's crazy before i ever

just kidding i think he's gonna have some fun man i think if he if he finds a fight that's fun he's got a hundred million dollars in the bank if he finds a fight that's fun he's gonna do it but the problem with him is I mean They wanted him to do cowboy And there was some talk about him Doing a cowboy fight But he wanted it to be a main event The UFC wants main events

To all be Big time Championship fights Anything Conor do is big time That's what I said But they think that somehow or another Having no championship title on the line It wouldn't be that valuable

I would love to Spend a day in a life with Dana White Well Justin Gape I don't think he'd let you do that You don't think so Conflict of interest Yeah on the line. It wouldn't be that valuable. I would love to spend a day in a life with Dana White. Well, Justin Gate, I don't think he'd let you do that. You don't think so? Conflict of interest? Yeah. Because they've got their own thing.

They've got UFC embedded. That sucks because I really want to do the anatomy of Dana White just hanging out with him for a day. Maybe. Who knows? Maybe it would help embedded

and maybe it would help the Tuesday Night Contender series. It would help pump that up. Eric Alberison said the perfect thing. He said, why would the UFC be worried about you? You like a lemonade stand and they Coca-Cola.

Well, I think that way, but some people don't. Some people don't want to help other things get going. But I'm promoting them. But what if you stop promoting them and just really concentrate on Bellator and the channel's gigantic now because you did so much UFC content. That's true. That's how people look at things. Well, you know, my first idea was to tell the UFC, let me just film all the fighters

y'all not going to promote this fight week. So embedded is 10 other fighters. Let Anatomy of a Fighter get them. Give me a credential and let me just film them all week. So I'm around, film these fighters that y'all never going to post. What did they say about that? Not interested? Nah, I didn't get a not interested but i don't know it's it's weird because i much love to the ufc because they give me a lot of

access and i love every single person over there like dean klein and heidi dean all those people i love them they treat me like a annoying cousin they're great people i'm an annoying cousin when i'm at fight week and that's the thing i haven't been to a lot of fight weeks but it seems like people think i'll go to every fight week and it's like i only go to ones i can afford or they make sense like if i had the the funds i'll be at every fight week filming are you going to be in vegas for the john jones tiago santos yeah because i'm nominated for award against you oh really for what the world mma awards what's the best mma programming world mma awards for the jre mma show yeah now you're on it so crazy is that i know that's so weird that is so well i told you confessions of an online date it was the way i thought i was

gonna end up on here well i hope you win because i won a bunch of those it awards. It's me, you. I never go. It's me, you, Embedded, Dana White's Tuesday Contender Series, and then MMA Hour. I hope you win against me. How about that? That'd be a, that'd be, I'll smoke weed if I did. I'll be like, I'm done, I'm done. Listen, I understand your reluctance to smoke weed. I smoked weed maybe five, six times until I was 30 years old, like a handful of times ever. Like a couple times in high school, a couple times afterwards at parties.

I get it. I mean, I get it, the whole personality thing. When I was 30 years old, that's when I started smoking, like really started smoking weed. And I don't think anybody should do anything if they have an obsessive personality and they're worried about getting locked into it. I mean, I don't think you should drink. But if you can handle it, a little bit of weed, I think, opens up these doorways of creativity. And I think that it's very valuable as a creative tool. I told you, that's what Cowboy told me.

Cowboy told me. About mushrooms, right? Mushrooms. Mushrooms as well. Cowboy told me. Cowboy told me. About mushrooms, right? Mushrooms. Mushrooms as well.

I think psychedelic drugs, whether they're marijuana or mushrooms, they're tools. And the way I've always described it is like you could take a tool and you could build a house with it, right? You could take a hammer and you could build a beautiful deck. Or you could just hit yourself in the dick if you're fucking crazy. True. You could abuse a tool. But it doesn't mean the tool's bad. It means the application's bad. and you don't give a hammer to a two-year-old right you don't give a little kid weed and tell them to smoke it every day but i think for a grown adult it's good

to participate in something that gives you an altered state of consciousness because it allows you to look at yourself in a fresh way and for someone who's always like trying to be self-assessing and objective and always trying to analyze who you are and your thinking and your behavior i think something like marijuana is very important because it allows you to see yourself in this way that maybe you don't ordinarily do allows you to drop your blinders and get a glimpse of how other people see you yeah which is very hard to do it's very hard for especially people that you you know, you put up your barriers, your defenses, you have an ego. It's hard for you to look at yourself to find the things that you're doing wrong.

So if you can't find the things that you're doing wrong, it's very difficult to grow. So a lot of people call that paranoia, that effect that marijuana produces. You know, smoke a pot. I don't like smoking a pot, man. It makes me paranoid. That paranoia, I effect that marijuana produces. You know, smoke a pot. I don't like smoking a pot, man. It makes me paranoid. That paranoia, I think, is awareness. And I think you close those doors of awareness in order to get through your life. But the subconscious is always aware of these things.

The subconscious is always aware of these things that are fucking with you. Marijuana just finds all the problems and just turns the lights on. So if I moved to Denver, I'd probably end up smoking weed. Everybody smokes weed. If you do it, just a little. What about an edible? Edibles, careful. I heard like a cookie.

They'll fuck you up. I heard a cookie will destroy you. I got some cookies that'll put you on the moon. Rashad Evans, that's like my big brother. He always told me about the toad. Oh, 5-methoxydimethyltryptamine. Yeah, that'll fuck you up too. Oh, he's done that now, right? He said, yeah, you can go into another dimension. Oh, 5-methoxydimethyltryptamine. Yeah. Yeah, that'll fuck you up too. Oh, he's done that now, right?

He said, yeah, you can go into another dimension. Oh, you literally can. I might be the president of the United States in the other dimension. Who knows? Well, there's no United States in that other dimension. There's no states. There's no people. There's souls.

You go into like a well of souls. That's crazy. And disembodied entities the toad i remember when i kept what the hell is he talking about the toad the toad nobody gets it from a toad though they're really five methoxy dimethyltryptamine they get from usually from laboratories and so it's synthesized with a bunch of precursors but the um the the other one nn dimethyltryptamine is the one we see the visuals it Really? Yeah. How long it lasts? 15 minutes, unless you eat it.

If you eat it with ayahuasca. What if you did it in a float tank? You could do that. You could do it in a float tank. You would have to do it quick. Like, you'd have to... Have you seen the float tank yet? Yeah, remember?

Oh, that's right. Yeah. Have you done it yet? Nope. You got to. I've seen how expensive they was online. How expensive? I've seen some.

Oh, to buy one Buy one Well you could always There's a The float lab They have a place in Westwood They have a place in Venice And then there's a giant place

That opened up in Pasadena That uses all the float labs What was the name of that place again Just Float Just Float And that place has That is the biggest float Establishment on earth

And you do it for how long Well last night I did Two hours Damn I like two hours Yeah That is the biggest float establishment on earth. And you do it for how long? Well, last night I did two hours. Damn. I like two hours. Yeah. I like to just get in there and find out what the fuck's up. When I was with Chito Verda the other day, one of his teammates did it for like an hour.

And he was just like, I didn't know where I was. Was I asleep in a dream? Yeah. It was just crazy. You're disembodied you know charlemagne charlemagne the god he uh was on last week we were talking about it because he's doing this whole mental wellness retreat sort of center he's like establishing these mental wellness centers he is yes he is because you Because Charlemagne, his new book, Shook One, is all about his anxiety, his issues with anxiety. And anything that allows you to relax and just center yourself can help you with anxiety. And that's one of the things that he said about the tank was that he's never felt stillness like that. That's crazy. Yeah.

Because you're not feeling your body. You know, your body is just, you can do it. You can try it right now if you want. He had a crazy life. Yeah, he had a crazy life. Yeah, he had a crazy life. And also, like I said to him about, he's the last samurai in terms of radio. Radio is a dying industry.

He's the last guy, I think, to get famous off of radio. Yeah, that's, Charlemagne Tha Goda God, I saw a little bit of it. I remember he said that he got fired at 31. He was 31, no job. With a two-year-old. That stuff is inspiring because I was like 29 when I was lost, and then I was turning 30, and that's when I got my shit together. So to hear Charlemagne Tha God say, I was 31, I had a kid, and I was lost and then I was turning 30 and that's when I got my shit together. So,

to hear Charlamagne Tha God say I was 31, I had a kid and I was no job. Like, I think so many people in life are so obsessed with getting somewhere fast. And I understand

it takes time. And just to see somebody like that be open enough to say like, I was at a low moment in my life. Like,

at my age now, I used to think when I was 25, 37 was young or old. Old as fuck. You're young as hell. You're not old at 37 no more. Yeah. You've never been. It's just we always thought.

Especially if you're a healthy 37. Yeah. When we were kids, our parents, by the time they were 37, they're working 12 hours a day. They felt 50. They felt 50. They probably felt a lot older than that. They felt 50. I mean, thank God to the internet.

I mean, because if it wasn't for the internet, I wouldn't be able to put up these amazing videos. I would have to go work for one of these companies. Well, it's also the internet allows you to get all this information. It allows you to stay healthy. You get a better understanding about diet, nutrition, mental health, relaxation, how important meditation is. And I think one of the other things that Charlemagne did that's very important is he talked openly about anxiety. And he's a famous, cool guy.

He's like a famous guy known for his opinions, known for being brash. And for him to say, hey, I've struggled. I've had real mental struggles and mental health struggles. That's a very fragile conversation in the black community. Mental health issues and anxiety and things like that people don't want to admit it right because we all but you know even tough it out yeah you want to feel brave and for me man i felt hopeless and defeat many times in my life sure me too and luckily for me sometimes i say damn i don't have kids luckily yeah you know i've been able to to figure it out on my own without having a

responsibility to take care of somebody right so i've been lucky in that sense where i haven't you know had a child a son a daughter and i was like and that's it gives that gives me youth it feels like every day i wake up i'm like i can do what I want to do because the only person I'm responsible for is me. Yeah. And that gives me the freedom to be a gypsy. I couldn't be a gypsy if I had it. No, not the life that you have. Nah.

But you know what? If you had a kid, you would just alter that life and you would take great comfort in the fact that you love someone deeply, like a child. It's a crazy thing, the love you have for children yes it changes people lives it changes like i see how you are whose mind when he had his daughter when he's carrying his daughter and that was crazy man it's so hard for me not to cry it's so hard for me not to cry when people win and they they start thanking their mom or you know their parents hug them or it's like when he was holding his daughter up i'm like oh jesus here it comes yeah that just tried to fight it back that was crazy listen man you know remember when he got in trouble for like the 30 percent or people's

going in on him because he was like i'm 30 i was 30 yeah like i the thing that i can say about being around these fighters i see all the injuries and everything and people don't understand what they do in a fight. Well, how about the fact that Usman went into that fight with a broken foot? I know. How crazy is that?

He had a broken foot when he fought Tyron motherfucking Woodley and he never stopped coming. Never stopped moving forward. You would never been able to guess by any stretch of the imagination

that he was injured. Yeah, I did. I did because I filmed it all. You knew it. I knew it. I just can't release it. You see what I'm saying? I'm not going to, now after the fight, I did. I did because I filmed it all. You knew it. I knew it. I just can't release it. You see what I'm saying? I'm not going to.

Now, after the fight, I can say, yeah, he was injured. Right. But I have that on so many fighters. Cejudo, everybody like. Well, how about Cejudo's ankle? I know. How crazy is that? That was crazy.

Cejudo's ankle the week of the fight was giant black and blue, completely fucked up, where he couldn't walk. And then he goes in there and fucks up Marlon Morales. Well, the Khabib-Connor fight, didn't they say he had like a— Conor had something wrong with his foot, too. Well, Khabib had a problem with his weight cut, I heard. Did he? I think so.

It was a bad weight cut. Well, Khabib is so big. He's another guy. He's a mountain man. He's so big. What is his diet like? It's clean from what I see But he's had problems making weight in the past

But that was 209 Think about that How long ago that was Yeah UFC 209 Yeah That was the last time he ever had a problem But it's

No he had problems before that though Yeah I didn't know Yeah I didn't even know Khabib at 209 Oh really? Yeah That was when The the first ufc

event i ever went to does he have a nutritionist like in in uh dagestan does he have someone that cooks for him i don't know but you eat with him yeah but that was ramadan we was eating all meat meat and potatoes and i sat with everybody and ate and does he train during ramadan yes he did that was the whole dagestan Chronicles. People couldn't believe it. He trained, trained too. So he trained, trained during the day?

Without eating. Without drinking water? Crazy, man. Wow. I'm talking about really hard too. Wow. No drinking water.

Yeah, I want to turn that whole series into a movie. I can understand kind of being able to work out like fasted workouts nah but fucking no water like training jesus christ and playing that basketball

like with no water no nothing that is so crazy that's what i'm that's what i'm saying like that mental that's what i'm saying that mental toughness like and then when i seen the face off with him and dustin because dustin i would love to to document dustin because he's a good guy um i thought dustin was huge when you just see him with everybody else and then when he did the face off with khabib i'm like damn khabib tall it in him everything i'm thinking like man he's gonna have to keep that guy off him khabib is just such a good wrestler his wrestling said it perfect he to grab him, put him on the ground, mount him like that dummy and smash him.

Now, I'm not a fighter, so I can't say it, but I kind of feel like that's how I always call Usman a black Khabib. Because as soon as he grabs you to fight over, that's how I feel.

As soon as he grabs you, it's over. Because you're not going to get away from him anymore. I'm latched to you. Yeah. But that Damian Maia fight, that referee saved his ass. I know.

I was in a locker room. You never know. You never know what would happen. The world could have changed if that referee, whoever the fuck he is. I don't even want to know his name. Last Maia fight. See how he took the back? Yep.

That's what he does. Yeah, against Lyman Good. That's what he does to everybody, man. And that referee separated them. And I was sick. And Matt Serra went fucking crazy about it. And I was with him. That was what he does to everybody, man. And that referee separated them. And I was sick. And Matt Serra went fucking crazy about it. And I was with him. That was a tough one.

But you don't do that. I asked Usman. That guy doesn't understand fighting. I said, what would have happened? He said, I would have just held it there the whole time. But you just never know. Well, that's how he lost his first fight. He lost his first fight by getting choked out.

I know. You know, this is something that people don't know. So Usman got one fight that he's lost. Colby Covington has one fight that he's lost. That's what this,

I'm all about stories, like the storyline. So, the only fight that Colby Covington lost to was what? Leon Edwards? Yes.

He choked him out, right? Short notice fight that he took in the UFC and he was injured. He had something fucked up with his ribs. So, he lost via choke.

Yeah. Usman beat Leon Edwards. The guy that Usman lost to early on, Kobe Covington beat. So both of their losses are to people that, that's just a weird storyline. Yeah, but that's MMA math. Yeah, I know. But no, I'm not comparing them. I'm just saying that the fact that they both got one loss and they supposedly hate each other and it's two people they've beat.

It is crazy how fighters' careers just change. They become a different person. And whoever they are, like four years ago, you really can't compare them to whoever they are now. The Colby Covington thing is interesting because he really did beat the shit out of Damian Maia. And he really did beat the shit out of Rafael dos Anjos. I don't know if Damian Maia was three rounds I feel like it was

A main event You might be right though No it was three rounds Three rounds Yeah because it was in Brazil Rafael Dos Anjos was five rounds Yeah that was Right

Yeah Yeah But Dos Anjos won two rounds right Three to two Did he I think on the scorecards Yeah He took them down and everything

Yeah he did Yeah Not with Kamaru Kamaru Nah it was brutal That level Not with Kamaru. Kamaru. No, it was brutal. That level change that Kamaru do, that level, like, threatening to take down, he will piece you up because Henry, who's got his striking crazy, and it's getting better. Yep.

Oh, for sure. Well, he did fantastic against Woodley. Yeah. He had Woodley in real trouble from striking. Yeah. Woodley looks good in his comeback trails, though, too. I like Woodley, man. The footage that he's doing, he too I like Willie man Willie got mad

Willie didn't want me to film him the week of the fight Why? Just gaming shit Dean Thomas came over to me and said Hey man, Willie don't want you to film him It's another distraction And I get it I was mad

I wouldn't say mad, I was butt hurt Because I like Willie I'm like come on man, I've been filming you all week and then all of a sudden, day before the fight. His head, he doesn't want anything there. Yeah. He just wants to come. I mean, he had so many distractions. He released a fucking album with Wiz Khalifa.

He was touring. He had rap videos, slapping asses. Yeah, and he's doing this fucking TMZ Hollywood shit that he does. He does a lot of shit. But I like that he does a lot of shit because he's recognizing that he's going to have a time outside of fighting. Yeah, you got to have a post life. And he's got a real opportunity to make something happen forever. Yeah. I mean, he's a smart guy.

Inspirational guy. Yeah. Listen, I have none but, listen, I love after the fight with, you know, Willie's mom. That was amazing. I love, I love after the fight with, you know, Willie's mom. That was amazing. I love, I like Willie. His team. His mom. When his mom was talking, me and Usman were both tearing up because, like, we were talking about it and we played it.

I mean, his mom just goes over and embraces Kamaru. And Kamaru was crying. And his mom was like, they're coming for you, baby. They're coming for you. You better be prepared for it. Mama Willie, look, got tears in your eyes right now. That's the sport, man. The sport is this emotions and soul in this sport.

It's not just the winning and losing. It's like your life is on the line. So imagine what I feel when I'm documenting this. You're right next to them. Because say like a journalist, right? They got to work for a show. They reporting. They interviewing guys.

I'm in the gym with these guys every day. Yeah. Like I'm literally sweating in the gym with these guys, going with them to eat, going to stay the night,

sleeping on their couch. Like I'm doing all of that stuff to be next to these guys to tell them. But you know why you're doing that Will? Because it's yours Yeah

This is all yours You're doing this You're not working for some fucking company When you got some asshole producer Who's telling you what to do It wouldn't be the same man You wouldn't do that vision I wouldn't do it

Not only would you not do it You wouldn't be as motivated You wouldn't But more importantly It wouldn't be The singular vision that you get when you know that it's coming from one person yeah when you you know something's coming from one person you get this like you get a feeling like this is this is will harris he's there he's filming this he's

editing it he's putting it together he's putting it out here's the video that's a beautiful thing about the internet man yeah it really is it's amazing it really is it doesn't exist in any other media there's nothing like. There's nothing like that. There's nothing like that ever in the history of the world. If you wanted to put out something like you've done, you needed a gang of people behind you. You needed a network. A production company. You needed someone to choose you.

There's probably four other guys that wanted to do what you're doing. Five other guys. Ten. A dozen. Everybody wants it. And they have to pick you. And then these other guys will be trying to fuck you up from behind. It happens. Yes. It happens. And they have to pick you. And then these other guys will be trying to, like, fuck you up from behind. It happens.

Yes. It happens. And that's what I, listen, I try to portray that message to every single person that messaged me. This is not easy. Like, it's a lot of sacrifice in this. You have to be willing to put in years to do this. I'm going on two years. And August 14th will be full two years of committing to anatomy of a fighter.

And it's a baby stage to me. In August 14th will be full two years of committing to anatomy of a fighter. And it's a baby stage to me because of what I know it can become. Yeah. You can have millions of subscribers. I firmly, firmly believe that. So to me, I'm like, you know what? I'm not going to stop no matter what. I'm not going to stop. I want this to be the biggest thing ever.

I want a guy that's not even on the radar right now. I want to discover him and then he become a heavyweight champion in the world or a UFC champion or a Bellator champion. And that's the thing that I get out of it all is the fact that I can just create what I want. Yes. With whoever, you know, you know, I thought about it the other day. I was like, man, I need to put more women on the channel, women fighters and promote more women because I feel like they don't get promoted as well i want to get amanda nunez um ashley yoder i was supposed to go with her and dan henderson and temecula i wish i could have got them on but that's the type of like because it's the freedom to do it yes they don't have to pay me yeah i just go do it and make it

and put it out there and hopefully somebody latches on and say we want to be a part of this this movement and i'm probably doing valentina shevchenko and her sister they are some beasts she scares the shit out of me i just want to film her doing that little dance i know it's crazy right that fucking head kick on jessica i look oh i was supposed to go get her eric nixit her coach she was like i'll come down to vegas and get uh jessica that was a tough one i like uh jessica i was you know she took it well though she took it well but she was uh severely outclassed that was a a bad matchup there's levels levels well i don't think there's a level higher than valentina there there there's people on her level but there's no level higher That was a little Debatable match against Nunes

The second one right Yes She could have won that People say she should have won Very very close fight But Nunes is a bigger girl Nunes is a legit 135 Where she's not going to make 125

You know And when she knocked out Cyborg Everybody was like What in the fuck She flatlined Cyborg. And she's chomping at the bit to do it again. Listen. She's like, set it up again.

I'll do it again. What do you think? If Cyborg left the UFC, where do she go? One FC maybe. But what fighters is over there? They'll get some fighters for her. They'll find some. There's some Muay Thai champions that'll fight her.

There's some badass women. I'll talk to Cyborg her. They'll find some. There's some Muay Thai champions that'll fight her. There's some badass women. I talked to Cyborg. She wants that fight bad. The Amanda Nunes fight? Yeah, she want it bad. I'm sure she does. It might happen the same way. Because it was rock them, sock them robots.

It was rock them, sock them robots, but only one person was rocking it. That's what I'm saying. From her in. Yeah. She was moving towards, and Amanda was just doing the perfect thing to deal with that style. I thought it was going to be a harder fight. I thought if Amanda was going to beat her, it was going to be by decision. Oh, really?

I really did. So you were shocked? I didn't think she was going to flatline her. Cyborg always gets up. She fought Jarena Barge in Lion Fight, who's a world-class, top-of-the-food-chain Muay Thai fighter, and she didn't have a single muay thai fight and bars knocked her down twice and cyborg was chasing her to the last second of the bell and she just seemed so durable i just never thought we'd see her face plant amanda nunez

hits like she's got bricks in her gloves just she just drops those fucking and the nicest person in the world you wouldn't ever think would never think she'd fall. So nice. And when her and Cyborg were talking all that shit, she seemed cool and calm and just you wait, just you wait. She just knows, man. When she fucked up Ronda Rousey like that, I was like, good Lord. That was a fight where I remember the run up to that fight. That was one of the first fights fights when WME bought the UFC.

And they were really promoting the shit out of Ronda Rousey. Ronda was walking around some big mansion looking at the TV. And they were going to say, this is the big comeback fight. And I was like, you guys should be paying attention to your first ever openly gay UFC champion who happens to be a fucking murderer happens to be a chick that murked Misha Tate happens to be a chick that flatlines people she's probably one of the hardest punchers in the women's in any women's combat sport I mean fuck man she hits fucking hard you you know you got to go back to Ann Wolfe's one-punch KO in boxing to see a woman who hits a beast. Oh, my God.

But you got to go to that to see a woman who hits that hard. And Amanda loves to fight, man. You see she loves it. She fucking loves it. She feeds off of it. And when they were setting that fight up and they weren't giving amanda nunez any credit and they weren't promoting her at all i'm like you guys are crazy this is a bad fight for ronda this is a bad fight because first of all that chick's a brazilian

jiu-jitsu black belt ron is not going to submit her and she's probably not going to get a dominant position on her and when they're standing up on the feet this chick is gonna throw bricks and it's not a good place for ronda yeah that was like it looked bad like 48 seconds stumbling how she was stumbling she's out well you know there was a lot wrong there a lot wrong there motivation wise a lot wrong there to go from the holly home ko to that to that should have had a warm-up fight right for sure i mean there's a reason why boxing has warm-up fights what is the percentage do you give holly home a chance against nunes well holly home's a world-class fighter you know you got to give her a chance get anybody she survived against jermaine durandame knocked her down and jermaine durandame is a legit world champion muay thai was that the

fight with the late the late after the yes twice she got hit after the bell. She should have got a point taken and she would have won. I think she won that fight. I think she won anyway. Anyway, yeah. She dropped her twice. She dropped her with a straight left and she dropped her with a question mark kick. I thought she won that fight. But Amanda's just a fucking murderer, man.

It's hard to pick against Amanda. Imagine if Holly shocked the world twice. She could. Look, she could, man. I like her, too. She's an amazing person. She hates the cameras. Does she?

She won't let me film her. Why? She won't let nobody film her. Just distractions? She just don't like it. That's interesting. And that's one of the girls I would love to do. You know, because this is fun for me, so I'm like, I would love to just get this person on and be able to let the world get to know this fighter right like i get it from their perspective though because it is a distraction

it's another thing another factor to consider and some people don't mind it like some i bet henry so hudo probably likes it yeah in a way some some i've i've gotten away from going to fight week because it's kind of the same thing i've done it a lot so i like to just go way before a fight and just document this stuff and then release it during the fight week what is it like at a bad motherfucker ranch donald cowboy's place i haven't been there yet i've only been to jackson's oh okay uh listen i gotta go there for like a week yeah just be with him and shilling and that's the place to go because they. Because they're all doing mushrooms. Jumping jet skis off the top of buildings. Eating fresh eggs.

Yeah. Eating stuff like that. I would love to do that. Cowboy is, Cowboy to one of them people, like if you see his face, you would think he's mean. Like sometimes. But he's the coolest dude I've ever seen. He's been nice.

Man. He's so nice. Like that's crazy. Like when him and Mike perry fought i had access to mike perry that fight week and i reached out to a cowboy's team and said i want to be neutral on this and film both of y'all that week and cowboy said yeah no problem so he let me hang with him i was with perry after the fight they met they talked i had that little famous moment where they met and you know cowboy was, you lit the fire in me.

And Perry was like, what? He was like, you talking all that shit lit the fire in me. When he made that Instagram video, he was like, I'm coming for you. Yeah, all that stuff. So that's probably one of the, if people ask me what my favorite moment is, it's probably the Mike Perry week because of just, I had both of them. And then I had the raw emotion of Mike Perry after because of just I had both of them. And then I had the raw emotion of Mike Perry after he lost in the locker room.

Like where he looked at the sky. I was like, damn, God, you couldn't let me out the first round? He's like, damn, it was embarrassing, right? But it was. Perry's a funny guy, man. He is. He's a character. He can do anything, I feel like. I mean, he's going to get better in fighting.

He can be in movies. Well, he's gotten better since the move to Jackson's. He really has. He's gotten more calculated. But he went back. Went back where? To Fusion XL in Florida. He went back to his original team after the cowboy fight.

Interesting. I wonder why. I don't know. I have no clue. But he's not at Jackson's anymore. He's at Fusion XL. Well, I'm not aware of Fusion. I don't know if I have no clue. But he's not at Jackson's anymore. He's at Fusion next year. Well, I'm not aware of Fusion. I don't know if they have good trainers or anything like that.

That's where Jacare trained. Oh, okay. Yeah. I like what they were doing for him, though, at Jackson's. I like how they're giving him a more measured- Frank Lester, man. Yes. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Frank the Tank. They're giving him a more calculated approach, making him fight more intelligently, more of a game plan. Because he's always going to be wild and he's always going to have that power. That Paul Felder fight.

Yeah, that was wild. That was wild, but I wanted to see that fight of Felder. First of all, Felder's a different weight class,

but if Felder didn't throw that spinning back fist and bounce it off his forehead and snap his arm in half. They should run it back, huh? Well,

I don't think Felder should be fighting 170 because I don't think Perry has a chance in in hell making 155 no but felder can teal versus perry is a good one that's a great fight and they hate each other i like that especially after teal coming off getting knocked out by mazvidal two losses in a row so that's a great fight for two losses in a row but the big one the big one was Masvidal because Masvidal flatlined him. I thought that was disrespectful the way they had set it up where the bookies had set it up where Tyron Woodley was the underdog. I was like, you guys are out of your fucking mind. Oh, yeah, in Dallas?

You're out of your fucking mind. I don't know what hype you're buying into them we've never seen this guy on the ground we've never seen this guy with a guy like woodley and like woodley hits hard he hits ridiculously hard he's so fast and wrestling wise i mean it's not even close i thought that was crazy i'm like yeah he beat cowboy yeah he looked great yeah he beat wonder boy but you know i mean it was a fight where he clipped wonder boy with one really good shot you know he hit him with one really good shot and a good five round i wouldn't call him a hype train uh but i i feel like the promotions they did it with pico now he got two straight losses well you get excited about a guy because a guy has

something special and sometimes those guys that have something special, they never – like Uriah Hall never really became what everybody thought he was going to become. We saw Uriah Hall in the Ultimate Fighter. We're like, holy shit, this is the next Anderson Silva. Yeah. Like, look at this guy. Wheel kicking people in the head. He's built like a Greek god. He moves like a fucking gazelle.

He just had this perfect style. Like, holy shit, look at this guy. But never quite became who we thought and then the paula costa fight you see him getting beaten down by costa he was fucking him up though at first with the jabs yeah the jabs paul costa can take it yeah i was just like him versus yoel romero good googly moogly is that a crazy fight that's here that's gonna be in californiaaheim. Yeah. Woo!

With Nate and Pettis. That's the battle of the best bodies ever. Those two guys. He inspired me. How you look like that still at 40-something years old. He's got the freak genetics, man. He talked about it on the podcast. He's like, go look Cuba.

Everybody look like that. He was saying that everybody look like that. It's just amazing genetics. And then Costa. look like that he was saying that everybody looked like that it's just amazing genetics and then costa well it's also like when you think about what yoel has gone through that cuban wrestling program man they they they just call everyone who's not an elite five star super a plus athlete you ain't making it he was telling me that the the people that are the best they eat more they get better food and they eat more.

And they sleep in better places. And they set it up where you're training with all these other people that want what you have. Wow. So you're around them all the time. Have you seen that podcast? It's amazing. That's what Joey was with. Joey is the translator. Translator.

With Yoel. Did he speak some English? Yeah, he speaks a little. But he needs help and Joey would help him. I never met him. Yoel? No, I haven't met him yet he's a great guy yeah he's so super friendly and he's man he does shit to people inside the octagon you think he's gonna get any of that money oh the 27 million from the supplement company he for people don't know what we're talking about he won a lawsuit against the supplement company just like we were talking about before with sean o'malley yeah um they gave him tainted supplements and he won 27 million dollars

it's a big company see we we thought that it was a smaller company they would just go under but this is a big fucking company and you know their company makes 100 million dollars a year and they they owe him 27 can you settle out of a settle? Like, the judgment was 27 million. But could they be like, oh, we gave you 10? That's a good question. I don't know how that works. If they do, you probably could take that and then sue them for the other 17. Because you have it.

You gave me 10. I think they're supposed to pay 27 million. I just don't. I think they have to go bankrupt. He should never fight again. Well, maybe he wants to, though. He wants to be the champ, you know. He's got a legit shot. I think he beat Whit go bankrupt. He should never fight again. No, maybe he wants to, though. He wants to be the champ, you know? He's got a legit shot.

I think he beat Whitaker in the last fight. That's what I was going to say. I think he won that second fight. I think he won. I think he won. What about Rockhold going light heavyweight? I don't know, man. The way he smashed Rockhold in that fight, I was like, good Lord.

And he kissed him. Yeah, he kissed him after he flatlined him. Rockhold was talking all kinds of shit. But Rockhold said it was like hitting someone who was made out of steel. He said he was so fucking hard. Yeah, Rockhold told me that I've never felt a human like that in my life. That super five-star elite athlete, that's what that is. That is as elite as you get.

When that guy goes into the cage and you see him move around, you're just like, jeez. First of all, you go. With that neck? No neck? You go, how the fuck is he 185 pounds? Dude, I weigh 200 pounds. How the fuck is Yoel Romero 185 pounds? That's insane. Insane.

I seen a side-by-side with him and Khabib when they were younger. And I was just like, man, this dude is massive. He's giant. Khabib is a bear. Yeah. Khabib is thick as fuck yeah yoel's on another level freaking like uh he a gargoyle he like built like a little gargoyle or something well when he knocked out chris wyvern with that flying nail it's like jesus

he's just he has this like slow move and he sets these traps on you and explodes where do you feel like like these veterans the sport is changing so much, so now you're starting to see all these vets try to figure it out, like why I've been going to light heavyweight, Luke. Is why I've been going to light heavyweight now? Really? Yeah. Really?

So it's like, is he's got, like, because obviously this, with Dana White's contender series, all these fresh guys are starting to the sport is changing so fast it's like now these guys are starting to become the Tito Ortiz

the Chuck Liddell's of the now it's like this new fresh because think about it it's like Jordan said it's going to be somebody better than me

one day Michael Jordan it's going to be somebody way better than John Jones one day wow and think about that

the evolution of the sport. Well, that's what we've seen, right? When you go back to the old days, the Tank Abbott days, and then you see what you see today. I mean, that's unrecognizable. You're talking about 1993 to 2019. What is it going to be like in 2030? The Phil Barone days.

Oh, my God. I mean, what we're going to look at in 10, 15 years from now is probably just, I mean, you're seeing it now with the Tuesday night contender series and with these guys coming out at one that you never even heard of before. The Johnny Walkers, where you come from. Yeah, exactly. That Nazi-Ukan guy that knocked out Eddie Alvarez. Like, who the fuck is he?

He's a monster. Never heard of him before, right? There's so many guys coming up right now that no one's heard of that are just dedicated and driven and focused and they also have a a higher benchmark you know they've seen the mighty mouses yeah they've seen these guys and they they know that this is this is the level they're trying to achieve instead of you know looking back at the early days you know we're guys just weren't as complete as they are now that's correct do you think what is the, Daniel has said plenty of times

there will never be a cross promotion. Do you think it is, will it ever be, would you like to see that? Yes, I would. A one versus UFC champion? Look, I'm the worst businessman of all time. I'm not about protecting any brands. I don't give a fuck.

I would be like, yeah, come on, let's fight. Let's make a fight. Let's all make money. I don't care. You know, I'm the wrong guy for that. If I was the – I would make the UFC lose money. I'd pay people more. I mean, I'm not the right guy for that job.

And I think that I would have a lot more weight classes. First of all, I wouldn't have a jump between 85 and 205. That, to me, looks crazy. Why don't you have 10 pounds? Every 10 pounds. 165 is needed. Yes. 165 is needed. Yes, 165 is needed. Kevin Lee could be champion easily there.

Well, 55, 65, 75, 85, all the way on up. 95, 205, 215, 225. There's more fights. Yes, more fights, more champions, and I think it's the right way to do it. Also, I feel like it's weird that we call it welterweight when it's 170, and now Glory calls it welterweight at 172, but welterweight, like in the Sugar Ray Leonard, Tommy Hearns days, it's weird that we call it welterweight when it's 170. And now Glory calls it welterweight at 172. But welterweight, like in the Sugar Ray Leonard, Tommy Hearns days, it's 147. That's welterweight.

Yeah, because Mayweather was a welterweight champion in 147. That's boxing. That's boxing. That's the fucking legitimate original name for that weight class is the boxing name. They called it welterweight. That's crazy. They called it middleweight. They called it cruiserweight.'s they called it middle mate they called it cruiserweight

it was their names yeah so what we've done is some weird thing where we decided fuck you i'm gonna call it welterweight it's like you know i live on brown street yeah fuck you brown streets over here now how can we have two brown streets that's ridiculous yeah it doesn't make any sense why wouldn't they create 165 they should i don't know i don't like what would be the one my relationship with dana white is we're very good friends i love the guy to death i've loved him forever he got me in a commentary if it wasn't for him i'd have never done it but i don't i don't do what he does i don't want that job i don't get it i don't agree with him on a lot of shit i don't agree with him on weight classes for sure i don't i don't agree with them on some of the rules i don't agree with him on weight classes for sure. I don't agree with him on some of the rules.

There's a lot of shit I don't agree with. There's a lot of things I don't agree with in the sport in general. I'm changing my opinion, though, about bare knuckle. I used to think that it would be a good idea. You like it now? No. Oh, you don't? No.

For MMA, I feel like people would get too cut up. Yeah. Paulie barely got hit. You see his face? Yeah. Well, did you see Chris Lieben's face? Oh, that was brutal. Pull up that picture from Chris Lieben's thing today.

Dakota Cochran opened up just a fucking river on his head. It's crazy. I just feel like. Imagine seeing a woman and her face look like that. We've already seen him. And we've seen girls in Muay Thai in particular. Look at that gash. Dude, that is crazy.

I mean, that looks like you fell off a motorcycle and hit a tree. And these fans just want more blood. Well, it's just the knuckles cut your face up so easy. And elbows cut your face up as well. And you can definitely. Look, we've seen some horrific gashes inside the UFC. But I think it's harder to hit someone with an elbow and cut them up like that. It's like you're getting a lot of punches in.

You're not getting a lot of elbows in. You're not getting as many. You can, especially with ground and pound. There's a real good argument for bare knuckle, but when you watch these bare knuckle fighters, they're breaking their fucking hands almost every fight. Everybody's getting their hands broken. Artem loves it.

He's an animal. Yeah. Artem is an animal. Jason Knight loves it, too. You know what's crazy? They call him the goat, and it's just funny trolling with it. But he's a game opponent. He even fought Michael Johnson tough as hell.

That would be a tough fight for Michael. He's tough. The Russian Hammer is a good nickname for that dude. He's a hammer. Yeah, look at Paulie. He got hit with like two punches. Yeah, and he said, I got only hit clean once. Well, he got hit clean a couple of times.

But the point is he didn't do shit. That was bad. I'm a fan of Paulie Malignaggi as a boxer. One of the best commentators. He's very, very, very good as a commentator. And I think he beat Adrian Broner. I think when he fought Broner, I think he outpointed him. But that's with those big ass gloves.

He doesn't have a, no disrespect, he doesn't have a good body for the sport. Yeah. He's not genetically gifted. He's just not. He's got an awkward body.

Like athletically, he moves in an awkward way. He's just really smart and really tough. And he did the very best with what nature gave him yeah and he became world champion yeah he became a legitimate world champion and he knows so much about boxing but it's a different world when you don't the owner of bare knuckles is like this

proves that we have the best combat sport in the world after the fight i was like oh my god there's some thai guys because our fighter beat a boxer yeah yeah but they don't it's just you can't say it's the best combat sport in the world because you can't let them elbow and kick and punch and knee it's like there's a thing about boxing right the sweet science the thing about it is if you only let a guy box and with boxing gloves you get to see some shit like when you see floyd fight where guys are punching him and they can't fucking hit him he's right in front of them and he's moving away because his knowledge and understanding of what you can do with those two weapons is just off the

charts he's got it focused like a goddamn laser beam and you just can't touch him he's he's better than anybody that's ever been in terms of like his defensive like he gets hit less than anybody who's ever fought and had 50 wins. There's nobody that gets hit less than Paul. How many more fights did he have after he beat Canelo? That's a good question. He fought Pacquiao after that. Yes, he fought Pacquiao.

He fought Berto. He fought... Was it the... What else did he fight? Did he fight Tim Bradley? Or did Bradley fight Pacquiao? No, he fought a Maidana, right? Twice? Was that after? No, no. he followed a Maidana, right? Twice?

Was that after? No, no. I think the Maidana fight was before. That was one of the things that gave a lot of people that thought Canelo had a shot because Maidana cracked him in that first round, remember? Yeah. Or not first round, the first fight, rather. Right before the bell. Yeah, right before the bell and wobbled him a little bit.

Yeah, he stumbled. Yeah. Both of them were. Both of them were before? After. After, they were. Yeah, look, that's what i'm saying floyd has some fights after so yeah oh that's right the guerrero fight canelo record was crazy even then yeah

look man floyd is a motherfucker dude he's a motherfucker you might not like the style and the way he fights but the boxers that appreciate how difficult it is to do what he does just he's a he's a new benchmark yeah he's a new benchmark in terms of how to get out of that sport with getting the the very least amount of damage and fighting the most masterfully and he's really changed the way canelo fights you see see Canelo against Danny Jacobs. Canelo's using a lot of his shit. His stuff, yeah. I mean, he's like, that's how you do it, man. It'd be crazy when people are like, Floyd should fight this version of Canelo.

Canelo's way bigger now. Yeah, come on. It's a totally different thing. Canelo's a legit middleweight now. You know what the Triple G Canelo trilogy reminds me of? Remember when Pacquiao fought um who was it that knocked him out oh my blanket yeah well one one man marquez they fought two three times uh pacquiao won twice um and marcus flatlined and they flatlined him and i was like damn what if

triple g get his third chance and that happens? Because it's similar stories. Like, he won, he won twice. Everybody said Marquez beat him twice. And then they finally fought again, and then he beat him. Boom. Yeah. And Pacquiao's still fighting, though. Yeah, how is that possible? He's fighting Keith Thurman.

I know. That's a tough fight. That's dangerous. He can win it. Yeah, he can win it. He just knocked out his last opponent. Yeah, yeah. Listen, Pacquiao's still good.

He's still good. And after he got shoulder surgery, you know what I mean? He's as good as he's ever been. Yeah. I just hate that he keep using that excuse that his shoulder is messed up against him. When he fought Floyd? Yeah. It would have been interesting to see him 100% healthy against Floyd, but Floyd was smart with him.

He's like, not yet, not yet, not yet, not yet. Isn't it weird that people say he waited until he got old, but Pacquiao's older than Floyd? Floyd's older than Pacquiao. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Floyd's older than Pacquiao. Yeah, but he did wait until Pacquiao got a little worn. After he got knocked out by Marquez, he's like, okay. Yeah, let's go.

It looks like now's the time. It still wasn't close. Well, it was also, you know, Floyd is incredibly smart when it comes to promotion. He's not going to let anybody get 50-50 with him. It's like, no, no, no. That's the whole Eddie Hearn shit, though. That's what, and then what can happen?

Well, that shit is crazy. What did you hear about him getting hurt before the fight? I heard that he had a anxiety attack yeah i heard it and i heard he got knocked out that's what i heard yeah we're talking about anthony joshua that's what i'm saying yeah but for the people listening we heard that eddie hearn is the promoter of anthony joshua and what i had heard was he got flatlined in training or dropped and hurt bad in training yeah and it was like leading up to the fight, like very close to the fight, whether a week or so out.

What did you hear? Well, I heard that happened and then he went to Miami to finish the rest of his camp after that. Really? So that's what I think his dad was bitching about. Like Joshua, I'm not 100% certain, but in the ring when they was getting into it,

he was just like, I told you he wasn't right for the fight. He't yeah you know they were supposed to they were trying to reschedule the fight yeah they probably should have they probably when you get dropped like that because you see how he like the punches he got hit with they don't seem like punches that would he also looked a little out of it out of it it's all it's easy to say that though after yeah but andy ruiz is a bad motherfucker dude that guy throws combinations man andy ruiz is a bad motherfucker you know people just get confused when they look at that belly if if you took all that fat away and you saw what was underneath it and you fought the same way but

he weighed 220 you'd go wow he's got a real shot instagram videos i'm training how fast his hands is i'm like fast as fuck confusing listen when I when they told me to film him I think he might have had 20,000 subscribers 20,000 followers and then in one night

he had like a million I'm like golly like and he seemed like a humble guy he keep like trying to promote

Snickers Snickers like every day Snickers he want that sponsorship Snickers need to giveickers like every day snickers snick he want that sponsorship snickers need to give him his sponsorship he likes snickers he's a big boy he's a big boy like he what do you think happens they're gonna do a rematch yeah and uh yesterday yesterday ruiz jr said uh i'm gonna beat him worse because I'm going to be in better shape. He can't box. And I was like, hmm.

Whoa. He was an Olympic gold medalist. He can fight. Yeah, he can fight. He can fight. He can box. He can box. It sucks because I was going to cover Big Baby Miller.

I think he's fucked if he fights Deontay. I think Joshua just can't. He can't hold up under that firepower. Nah. Deontay hits people and it's like he's got some fucking Mortal Kombat superpower in his glove. It's crazy. Yeah, he got that old slave genetics. Well, he's got that Tommy Hearns frame, too.

He's like a giant Tommy Hearns, where there's all that leverage, all that torque. He hits so goddamn hard. When you look at a guy that has, what does he have, like 40 wins, 39 KOs, something like that? Yeah, 41 wins, 40 KOs or something crazy. The only one he didn't KO is, as we talked about before, was Tyson Fury. But if you looked at the count, if you had a real clock and you hit start when he went down, instead of relying on the referee to go one, two,

maybe Tyson would have gotten up because he would have known that it was eight when it was eight because the referee was saying eight it was already ten you know it was like one two by the time he got to eight and nine and then tyson stood up ten had long been passed so technically yeah but that was also the case with buster Douglas and Mike Tyson, you know. Yeah. When Mike Tyson knocked down Buster Douglas, Buster Douglas did not get up by the count of 10. No. On a real count of 10. An actual 10-second count.

But his obligation is to get up by the referee's count, not by a clock. They should use a fucking clock. Why don't they use a goddamn clock? Early on, I used to document Tyson's trainer, Stacyacey McKinley, after he got out of prison. I used to always bring that up with Holyfield and him. But he was down 10 seconds. They don't mean shit. Ain't nobody caring about that.

They don't use that as an excuse. It's true because he could have gotten up at 8 or 9 if they actually had a real clock. It's not like he was out cold and he woke up at 8. He was just gathering his thoughts and trying to get his brain straight imagine if in mma if they had standing eight why the fuck doesn't boxing have a clock like well they have a clock when it counts the ring right the ring time three minutes for a round so soon as somebody fall have a fucking real clock that shows seven eight not so you don't leave it up to the god damn so then a ref can look in a corner and say oh it's it and you pick it up from there yeah

the ref i mean shouldn't it be the ref counting it should be like a voice like a digital voice one two three like so it's a hundred percent ten seconds yeah that's so crazy because one guy could have a fast count one guy could have a slow count that's stupid one guy can have a fast count, one guy can have a slow count. That's stupid. One guy can have an envelope in his suit pocket in the locker room. Just make it a little bit slower. Yes. So you just never know about that. I looked this up when we were talking about this a couple months ago. Supposedly the time official is supposed to start the count immediately

and then the in-ring referee picks it up once he's got his attention on it. Yes, that is what happens. The problem is the referee does not do it to 10 seconds. Right. He doesn't do it to an actual clock. That's what happens. When the guy goes down and says, go to a neutral corner, and then he picks it up at three, four, but he could be off by two seconds.

Two seconds. Easily. Yeah. Like a guy celebrating and then he spent four seconds trying to get him to his corner yeah but that's on the guy that's on the guy that makes sense but you once the guy goes to neutral corner the fucking clock should be like a legitimate second clock yeah yeah that's crazy or you flatline people like walter and then they don't get up yeah says it comes from a gentleman's rule so i don't know if it was supposed to be 10 seconds.

So it's parking your horse in front of the fucking saloon. Get out of here. It's 2019. We got clocks, bitch. This is ridiculous. It doesn't make any sense. Boxing is shady. Well, boxing is shady as fuck.

One thing I like what Glory does, though, they incorporate five judges. These five judges. I think the UFC should do that as well. I think three judges are ridiculous. When you see bad decisions. It's a lot of those. I don't know who the lady Angela Hill just fought against. I think three judges are ridiculous. When you see bad decisions. It's a lot of those. Like, I don't know who the lady Angela Hill just fought against. I thought it was a bad decision.

And I looked at that. I'm just like, why don't they have five judges? Five judges who know. And have five judges who know what the fuck they're doing. But you said it with even like they named 170 welterweight. Yeah. They do what they want to do. Well, boxing uses three judges, too.

I don't know. The more, the better. It's not like it's expensive to have a lot of judges. Because remember that scorecard that gave the draw to Canelo? Yes. Tim Bradley. No, Pacquiao. Tim Bradley.

Oh, the one with Canelo. Mayweather. Yes. Yeah, that lady, she vanished. And then she did it again right Yeah She did it again with Tim Bradley and Manny Pacquiao

Yeah When Tim Bradley beat Manny Pacquiao And everybody was like What What The fuck Even Bradley knew he didn't win that fight No

No he didn't win that fight But the Canelo one was ridiculous That was crazy They gave that a draw See that's one of those weird things Where it's like All someone has to do Was put a shitload of money

on a majority decision. You know that Floyd's not going to knock Canelo out. He doesn't really knock a lot of guys out. He's going to win. Put the money on a majority decision. It means one person has to be dirty. All you need is one person who's dirty and you can win millions. Boxing is so dirty.

It's so old school dirty. You can't be dirty in usc though right really with the judging yeah i don't think i think the judging is incompetent i don't believe it i've never had any indication no one's ever said to me they think it's dirty i think it's incompetent incompetent there's a lot of incompetent judges but then there's also we got state judges yeah it'd be weird with the refs sometimes i see i was, who is this ref? Well, like we were talking about with Kamaru Usman and Damian Maia. That's a ridiculous thing to separate those two. That's ridiculous.

Just let them play it out. Also, you got a constrictor. You got a guy whose whole deal is to get you in a bad position. And then he gets you in a bad position. He's working his way. He's trying to work his way. He's got one hook in. He's got your back.

It was time left, too. You're standing up. It's time left. It's time left. Break, break, break break fucking break you break are you crazy what the fuck are you here for what are you here for you just want rock them sock them robots you go watch bare knuckle boxing get out of here bitch i just re-watched the askren uh rob i think they could have stopped it when he slammed him he could have could have stopped it could have stopped it when he was fucking running his face

through boom could have stopped it but that was a lot of time left yup could have stopped it I was in the locker room with Robbie when he came back

could have stopped it but I watched that with Herb Dean I had Herb in here and we watched it and Herb changed my mind because I was thinking

that he wasn't out because you know I was like they got to run that back and Kamara was saying they got to run that back that he wasn't out because, you know, it's like they got to run that back. And Kamara was saying they got to run that back, that he was out, or that he wasn't out.

Where the arm dropped? Yeah, but then I watched it with Herb, and he's like, this is not a normal way your arm drops. I'm like, you're right, you're right. So he could have just been out for a second? I think he was out for a second. And then just woke back up? Yeah, popped back up.

And the way Askren said it is, when Herb started coming over to him, he knew he was out. Herb started coming over to him. He let up on the grip a little bit, and that's why Robbie popped right back up. And the way Askren said it is, when Herb started coming over to him, he knew he was out. Herb started coming over to him. He let up on the grip a little bit, and that's why Robbie popped right back up. Regained consciousness? Yeah, I believe Ben. I believe Ben. The arm, you don't let your arm just drop like that.

I think he was out for a second. So as soon as he picked his arm up, he woke back up because he was like, thumbs up. I think Ben clamped on his head. Ben squeezed on his head. The arm drops. Herb comes over to look at head. Ben squeezed on his head. The arm drops. Herb comes over to look at him. He thinks he's going to stop the fight. He lets up a little bit because he thinks he's already out. And then he pops back up to life.

And then Herb stops the fight. And Robby's like, what the fuck? I think that's what happened. That's one of the most confusing back and forth. Even during the fight, I watched it. You and Dominique. Yes. He was like, no, he was.

Nope, no, he wasn't. No, he's not out. Yeah, I believe you right there. It's hard to tell. You're also looking through this cage, right? It's over there. And we're like, what is happening? He's out.

He's out. He's out. Oh, he's not out. Herb was in a bad angle. He was in a bad angle. He's the gold standard, though. Yeah, he's a Herb. Herb's the best.

And he's so calm about how he handles things. Never emotional. Always logical. You know, he breaks handles things. Never emotional. Always logical. You know, he breaks things down. He's the gold standard, especially now that John McCarthy's not in it anymore. Yeah, he's doing a great job at Bellator, though. Yeah, I mean, look, Bellator. It used to be there was like a clear difference between UFC and Bellator.

Not anymore, man. You know, Rafael Lovato and Musashi. Did you see that fight? Yeah, I saw that. Man, that's crazy. That's a high level fucking fight man that's crazy especially after musashi beat rory mcdonald which rory probably shouldn't have been fighting him at 185 pounds this is a wrong weight class musashi's way bigger than him and musashi is beating guys real top flight guys at 205 yeah and then you know you got lima who just knocked out michael venom page brutal no promotion on him

and i was sitting there like man i wish i could have just got my hands on and told this guy's story yeah because nobody knew him lima's a murderer bro he's a murderer and his brother in the ufc right yep yeah yeah diego but douglas is as good as anybody alive at 170 pounds i really believe that's crazy i like man I like what Scott Coker doing. Yep, I do too. I wish that they would do the same thing that one is doing with the weight cuts. Just cut all that weight cut bullshit out.

Just stop it. That's not necessary. Michael Chandler cut a lot of weight too. He a big boy. So when he got hit. He's heavy. That's, I always like,

when I see him get hit like that, I see how much weight these guys cut because I'm around it. Yeah. And I'm like, damn, he didn't really get hit like that, I see how much weight these guys cut because I'm around it. Yeah. And I'm like, damn, he didn't really get hit like that. He got hit on the temple, though, right? He got hit by Pitbull, though. Yeah, Pitbull hit him on the temple.

That guy hits hard. Yeah. They both hit hard. It's one of those crazy games where, you know, whoever connects first can put the other guy out. Especially after Chandler knocked out his brother. It was a big deal. Yeah, that was a double champion.

It's a lot of double champions now. Conor started it. You got Bader. He's a double champion. You got Pitbull. You got Cejudo. Amanda Nunes. Amanda Nunes.

That's a lot. You had Conor, obviously. Yeah, Daniel Cormier. Daniel Cormier. Yeah. Crazy. It's crazy. Now he's threatening to be true.

I would say, because they're going to have to do, so who goes out for a year, they're going to have to do an interim at Bantamweight. Yes, yes. So who you do, Al Jermaine and Peter Yan? You could do that. That's a good fight. Yeah, that's a very good fight. But where does Cody Garbrandt fit in the picture?

That's a good question. I think Cody has to win one. Just get a fight. Yeah, he got knocked out twice in a row. By Pedro. Yeah, he got knocked out twice in a row. By Pedro. Yeah, Pedro Munoz. And, you know, obviously the TJ Dillashaw one comes into question. Now the TJ gets popped for EPO.

But what did he say on Chael Sundin's podcast? Yeah, he had an explanation. He took it because he was trying to make the weight. Yeah. He must have been just so drained trying to make that weight. You really do have to think. I like TJ too, man. I do too.

It was sad. I was supposed to film him a week before he lost to Cejudo and then he was just like, ah, let's just do the next camp. Dude,

he looked like a goddamn skeleton going into that fight. You see the picture when all those pills was on the table? Yeah. Ridiculous. It was like 500 bottles.

Yeah. I was like, why would you? Just to maintain his body, keep it alive while he's just basically draining all the life out of it to make 125 pounds. He's owning up to it, though.

Yeah, he is. And I like that. You got to face your truth sometimes. He also had really fucked up shoulders. Both shoulders are fucked up. And he wound up getting surgery on one of them. Then he had the video. He was fat looking and with the mustache.

I was like, what the hell is going on? Did he just go to get kidnapped by aliens and drop back off well when you lose that much weight your body wants to hold your body is essentially you went into starvation mode and your body wants to hold on to every fucking calorie it can it slows your metabolism down i just think you're doing a giant disservice for the rest of your life with your body when you do that. I think it's very unhealthy. Brutal cuts take years off your life. That's what a lot of fighters say, man. Sean Soriano does a hard knock 365.

I remember when Uzman was getting ready for the Willie fight. That's my favorite time to film during fight week because that's the true raw emotions is the weight cut. Everything else is standard. They got to do open workouts, media. It's boring stuff. But that weight weight cut you see these people's souls and who's mine in there uh ben askren they all in the pi they all cutting weight together i'm just thinking this is crazy and you've seen the picture with a cowboy and tony ferguson when they was side by side cutting weight that's when they were that respect goes to the all-time high with the fighters

because they all in there trying to feed their families, man. It's showing when money. Dude, Tony Ferguson scares the fuck out of me. That guy don't get tired. He doesn't get tired. And everybody who fights him looks like they got run through a fucking meat chipper. I know. Brick hands, right?

Bricks. What the hell is he doing? Punching in? He's got big ass hands, man. Fire every day? Tony has big wide hands. So so many people been screaming for me to please do the anatomy of tony ferguson he's so interesting too that's one of them situations where it's like i gotta see that how i don't know man it's weird i'm in a weird position because like for example i like connor but damn that relationship you got with khabib is horrible

i can't yeah i understand it just it sucks because i filmed the connor team before i ever met khabib i was had on roddy all these guys on the channel right and now i'm team khabib you know when you get invited to somebody's country be around a family eat the food with their brothers that's sacred yeah like you to respect that. So I respect that. Tony Ferguson's a different one. They talk shit, but I would love to get Tony Ferguson on the channel. Do you think that compromises your objectivity, or do you think that's just the price that you pay to be that close?

I know. I think it's the price you pay sometimes. But I wish fighters will understand what I'm trying to do. I know. I think they do, and they definitely will now. Yeah, I'm trying to build a platform for all fighters. I don't care if y'all fighting. It get ugly.

You throw a dolly through a bus, you talk about somebody's family and all this stuff, I get that. Ah, man, I can't touch that. But when it comes to somebody like Tony Ferguson versus Khabib, I want to have the access to go with Tony eddie and film that and talk to them and get inside the mindset of who tony is no one has really promoted tony ferguson i feel like i could do an amazing job spending a day or two with tony ferguson and talking about life and i think you could too but i don't know if tony be into it into it tony is a real rebel i mean he's a very unique he may give you a little bit but not

everything you want yeah too he doesn't want anybody in close with him he's got secrets too in terms of how he prepares and how he trains he he had one of my good friends um document him his last fight in vegas the one when he fought pettis he filmed he documented him the whole whole time so he had a camera crew with him. Well, I think after his last fight, I think people are starting to understand the cowboy fight. This guy is something truly special. Yeah, he is. And everybody knew. But if you look at his the last time.

I mean, Luke Thomas had something on his Twitter documenting the last time. How crazy it is if you look like who was champion the last time Tony Ferguson lost. I mean, he's a monster. His last loss was to michael johnson yeah how long ago was that long time i think it was 2013 that's crazy that michael johnson beat him he beat dustin poirier michael johnson beat dustin poirier flatlined him at lightweight yep ko and edson barbosa yep yep and his his tough losses was to gaethje, who he could have beat Gaethje. He had him beat. They both back and forth. That was it. Who knows?

And then the Khabib fight that I really, I mean, that's debatable that he stung him. He definitely tagged him. He tagged him, but it wasn't like a flip. No. He hit him. It's a fight. Yeah. But Khabib mauled him.

He grabbed him and it was. It just shows how good Khabib is. You have to give up. I deserve this. Yeah. Give up. That's when I was like, who the hell is this dude? You don't have to be champion.

I didn't know who Khabib was. I was documenting Michael Johnson for the camp. I know he's telling him to give up while he's beating the fuck out of him. You know I deserve this, right? And then Mike on the bottom and hit him back. Like under. It's like. I was like.

How about when he was beating the shit out of Conor Let's talk now Yeah that was brutal Let's talk Boom He's just beating his ass So you know I was backstage when he came back

In the locker room Yeah After the melee People have never seen that footage yet What was that like? It was crazy I remember Cormier was like Will turn the camera off

Cause it was just too much going on Yeah I've never released it yet Because Out of respect of the courts so i asked i showed us a snippet yeah but i just look there we need him to fight again we need to get past all that nonsense yeah i would yeah trust me i can't wait to show the world one day how crazy that was in the locker room but listen well we just did three hours man whoa believe that look it's 3 10 look at the clock crazy time warp in this place this was everything

i was hoping it was going to be man i appreciate it i appreciate you and i think what you're doing with your channel is amazing your documentary is amazing and uh i appreciate thanks man thank you thank you very much thank you you. Bye, everybody. Woo, fuck. Three hours. That was great, man. That was really good.