The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #69 with Yves Edwards

Episode Date: July 2, 2019

Joe is joined by UFC Lightweight veteran and current PFL commentator, Yves Edwards.

Eve Edwards, ladies and gentlemen. Hello, sir. Hey. Good to see you, brother. What's going on? Everything and nothing, man. Everything and nothing. Yeah.

You were telling me this is a crazy time for you. You're a vagabond. You're traveling around, man. Yeah. You're like a gypsy. I like the term nomad. Nomad is good. It's a good term.

Yeah, vagabond makes it sound like I'm poor and I got a stick with my clothes tied in a bag. Yeah, nomad's like a gypsy with money. Yeah. No, but gypsies, is that a derogatory term? It didn't used to be. I think it might be now. They can say it.

Like King of the Gypsies is Tyson Fury. He's allowed to say it. He's allowed to say it. Might be one of them things. Yeah, we got a word like that. A lot of people do. Those words are expanding. There's more of those words than before.

See, I'm going to get in trouble right now can midgets call themselves midgets i don't know man i don't know that's a good one that used to be a normal one you know if you know it's really crazy if you look at when kids had were born with down syndrome the original term was mongoloid idiot that used to be like they would put that on birth certificates like are like when you say the original term are any of those people still alive like is that still on somebody who's alive's birth certificate that's a good question do people with down syndrome live less they don't live as long right i think that's the case yeah yeah yeah you don't see a lot of older people yeah

i don't know just like we're tightening up the word i just can't wait till we can read minds so that's all this nonsense just go out the window i think once we can read minds and then you just see intent and there's no like words like because right now it's just words that convey intent and some of those words are forbidden. But some of those words have, like bitch, perfect example. You could say, that's a bad bitch. This bitch is crazy. This bitch is fine.

You could say, this bitch is hot. That bitch is so cool. Or you could say, oh my God, this girl's a bitch. Yeah, the connotation's completely different. There's so many of them. There's so many different ones. Words, man. Words is a hard thing. I remember one time Mickey Joe, Mickey Joe Schilling, Mickey Gall, Joe Schilling and

I were talking about words and perceptions and like your shirt. Your shirt is green, right? But if I were to be in your consciousness, would I see your shirt and would I see it as red, but I know it is green? Yeah. i would be in your consciousness when i see your shirt and when i see it as red but i right i know it is green yeah i mean do we see the same colors of the same thing no we don't you have no way of knowing right right i've no way of knowing what like some people are into weird shit like yellow cars right that's not weird though that's weird for all the colors to paint a car like why the fuck do you want a yellow car like a nice car like you see like a yellow corvette like what the fuck are you doing to that corvette i swear you were going to say something different i swear i

was like he's like people listen to people in the weird shit i thought you were going to say like scat or something oh well they're definitely into that yellow cars that's not so bad yeah but i mean i don't know what they're seeing like to me a yellow car is like ah it's unfortunate you know like why would you do that color did like maybe it was on sale because it's a shitty color i think that so yellow cars should cost less yeah for sure yeah unless you just you have trying to make a point like your car is like a bumblebee or something. You know, like you have black stripes and yellow. See, that would be cool.

On a bug, on a Mustang. I don't know what else. I think those are the only two cars that really should be yellow. A Mustang? Like if you're going to paint it with some flames on it. I don't even like Mustangs. You don't like Mustangs? I'm not a big muscle car guy.

I do like sports cars. I'm not a big muscle car guy i do like sports cars i'm not crazy about muscle cars somebody needs to indoctrinate you into the world of muscle cars i bet you just haven't seen the right ones you know i think i think that comes from where i grew up because like you need a lot of open road for that and we don't have that in the bomb like especially not where i'm from like i i'm not a big fan of um of like choppers i'm not if i don't know those seem silly to me. They seem like you can't turn. Yeah.

I like crotch rockets and dirt bikes. This shit drives me crazy. The A-pandals, when you're holding, if you don't know, for people just listening, they have handlebars that are above your fucking head. Yeah, you're hanging. You're driving around like this. And if you have to turn quick, you're fucked. Like, how can you get away from shit? And once it goes bad, like, you're not around like this. And if you have to turn quick, you're fucked. Like, how can you get away from shit?

And once it goes bad, like, you're not going to recover. Yeah, I would think they would have, like, a secondary handlebar. Just so that you don't have to ride like that. So you get tired, have some shit right over the gas tank. That folds out. Like, we can do that. We can patent that and make that and probably make millions of dollars. I feel like crotch rockets seem safer because they're more maneuverable yeah like you can handle those motherfuckers like those things move good

yeah especially i mean that's what they're designed for if you control at a high speed i saw this video of a motocross uh i don't know what you call when crotch rockets are racing but um these guys were racing this dude was like he was losing it and he got thrown off i saw that but he was on his knees sideways yes he hung on there man and he looks, he was losing it. And he got thrown off. I saw that. But he was on his knees. He got sideways. Yes. He hung on there. Man. And it looks like he was still giving it the gas.

Yeah. Yeah. I don't know what the rules are on cutting the track. Right. But if he wasn't disqualified, that was a ninja move. How do you get back on, though? You have to slow down. You have to, right?

You've got to do a ninja move. You've got to hit the brake real hard so you slam and then your body shoots at the air land back on the bike hit the brake and pop your hips up yeah at the same time like something you see on the fast and furious i'm scared of bikes i don't know how to ride you don't mean i can ride a bicycle but i can't ride a motorcycle i can't ride i've never ridden a crotch rocket i I've only ridden scooters. You know, they're making them electric now. You won't even, there's no gears. It's just like a Tesla. But, I don't know. The whole thing about riding a bike is being able to control it, isn't it?

Well, you can still control the speed, but you're not going to be able to shift gears. You don't have to do the shit with your left foot where you're going with the clutch and up and down and all that jazz. You have to learn how to do that. You don't have to do that with one of those things. It's just... Okay. Yeah. Then it would be fucking ridiculously fast, too.

I feel like I would be like the guy on... You know, when you go to Dave and Buster or something on the motorcycle video game. Yeah. In Europe, they're making cars, like electric cars, have noise. You have to have noise like a regular car so that people can hear you. That's dumb. Yeah. Well, yeah, I mean, you're not riding on the sidewalk, right?

Well, yeah, I mean, I guess it's if people are crossing streets and shit. Maybe also, I don't know what the rules in Europe are for riding motorcycles, but I don't know. Do you hear guys when they're riding in between lanes? You know what I mean? I don't hear them all the time. There's a lot of times where you have to look. In LA, that's such, when I grew up in Boston, and you couldn't do that. That's not legal.

Everybody has to stay in a lane. Really? Yeah. In Texas, it's legal. Oh, it's cut and split in lanes? Yeah, so I don't know. How often it's legal versus illegal? Well, there's a lot of states that you don't have to wear helmets.

Yeah, Texas was one of them. I don't know if that's changed. I know Louisiana is one. That's crazy. When I was in, last time I was in Miami, I was watching dudes fly by me on the highway with no helmet on. I don't know though. I mean, do you, do you want a helmet on?

You hit something at 90 miles an hour. I don't know. Um, I mean, yes and no. It's like, I think sometimes people make it, you know? Yeah. But, like, what about you get all that pain and then you die? California remains the only state to allow lane splitting. Wow.

Wow. So I guess it's no longer in tact. I think you can just do it whenever you want. It's on the motorcyclist to be – take your own risk. Oh, so inia it's legal yeah but in all the other places it's just you just kind of do it probably i mean yeah it's weird so it's immediately crossing the state line unless nobody crosses it has texas oregon nevada here too i don't know maybe it's partially legal there or something certain cities areas yeah freeway maybe only or something

like um traffic laws it's weird traffic laws being different like so different in in every state i was um in texas a couple days ago and i'm driving and i'm getting over because the cops pull somebody over um on the highway and passenger she's like why are you getting over like you don't have to do that but in texas you're supposed to if you if you can get over you're supposed to get over and give them that lane berth otherwise you slow down to like 10 miles below the speed limit or whatever um but like in dc maryland where she's from it's like you don't have to do that like but it's like if i'm from if i'm from maryland i'm in texas and i do that and then But it's like if I'm from Maryland, I'm in Texas, and I do that, and then another cop's behind me, I'm getting a ticket.

Because if you don't know the law, it's still not their fault, right? Right. It's your fault for not knowing. Did you see the Hong Kong protests that are going on? No. There's crazy protests going on in Hong Kong. But what's amazing is there was an ambulance, and the ambulance was trying to, I mean, there's giant crowds on the street.

I mean, fucking thousands, if not a million people, right? They part like the sea for this ambulance. It's crazy. Like, if that shit was happening in America, good luck. You could blow that horn all you want. What is this, Jamie? We're going to have to run. That's it.

That's it? Yeah. Mm. Why does it say North Point and not like Chinese characters on the street? Yeah. You sure this is the one? Hong Kong, I mean. Hong Kong protesters block road, make way for ambulance.

I saw an overhead shot of it. It was more impressive because it was this giant sea of people, and they all just made way, and everybody got right the fuck out of the way for ambulances. It's like when a predatory fish swims through a small school. Oh, here it is. This is what I saw, yeah. So these people just open up.

Good luck trying that shit in America. I mean, these people are so polite. There's millions of protesters there, like two to three million or something yeah what do you know what they're protesting over i can't there's so much outrage worldwide i can't keep track man yeah there's stuff going on everywhere you see that there's this stuff in sudan right now everywhere you know every part of the world is up in arms gaza there's a bunch of shit going on that's been going on forever you know there's a bunch of shit going on there right now. That's been going on forever. There's new, more recent shit. It's exhausting.

Yeah. Why can't people just not be assholes, right? It's impossible. That's why we need this mind-reading software. The problem with that is then you're just reading the mind of assholes. Maybe. Maybe. Maybe, but maybe people can let you know, like, hey, man, you don't have to think like that. Your problem is the way you're thinking.

Because that's 90% of the problem with people is the way they think, and then they act on the way they think. I don't know if it's 90%. I'm not a mathematician. I just threw that number out there. The thing that popped up yesterday I showed you is sort of on the way to what you're talking about. How your friends can play a video game together using only your minds. okay this is what you were talking about after the show telepathic communication yeah this is this is the future a hundred percent there's going to be a time where we share some sort of i i think it's going to be some sort of a universal language they're going to create a

language that's based like on images or or things that are culturally like you could it could cross boundaries like people from other countries are going to be able to understand it you'll be able to understand it has like google translate in it yes i really think that i think there's going to be a language i mean like do you ever see someone's tweet i read uh tweets from people all the time from different countries it's kind of cool you could like read some russian see some russian shit and then just say translate the tweet and you get a chance to try to figure out what this guy's saying yeah um i've seen that a couple of times and then especially with um some of my teammates friends brazilian guys and um they will have it in portuguese but they will also translate have it in english yeah a lot of brazilian guys do

that but then when you translate it it like it moves words that are already in the english translation it makes it like screwed up it makes it like the grammar is all messed up yeah it's really weird i don't know why why it even touches the english if you're bringing it to that language yeah that's the problem with languages right like the way they say things is different so trying to translate something to english you have to take some sort of editorial license you would have to move things around what you're trying to say is this you can't just translate it yeah yeah especially because of like where we place like prepositions and like there's some like um there are some languages where they don't have the word off like don't you don't they don't say turn off the light. It's like when they speak in English,

they say kill the light. You know? Well, that's the way. I mean, you can still get it. But yeah, if they don't have an off word. Like I would imagine that Asian language is going to be the hardest, right? Because they have characters. They don't even have letters.

You know? Yeah, their alphabet is so much bigger. And their characters can mean so many different things this little piece of a character combined with this changes everything the changes each one individually yeah like it's like this one is water and this one is fire and you put them together and it's chocolate when you were fighting what was the place that what you how many different times did you travel overseas to fight seven six or seven something like that was there any what was the weirdest place weirdest most different was japan yeah but um i wouldn't say it was weird

just different just different yeah very different it was like being in the future sometimes right yeah right like tokyo yeah you're like i i don't know it was a lot of fun the different things they do the weirdest thing about being over there was that pachinko game what's a pachinko game? it's like these people they play it's like a gambling game and they have these

buckets of like ball bearings and they put them in the game and I don't I don't even know what the rules are but you see like

older and middle aged Japanese people they just sit there for hours just playing. And you win, and it's like winning a slot. It's like a slot machine kind of, right? So when you win, like you get a bunch of these balls back.

I swear to you, if you, like I don't know, if Jamie pulled up like something, I think it's P.A. Chenko. I'm sorry, here's a guy who's Japan's biggest gaming obsession explained, Pachenko. They're like putting ball bearings in there And they just go For hours They're all wearing That's how many people are wearing masks

That's the other weird thing about Asia right Yeah A lot of people like to wear those masks So So that's the game That thing that they're This weird How's it work

Did you play it No I mean I don't know I don't know what you're trying to do. Like everything's in Japanese. That's the currency for the game. What? Those ball bearings.

I really don't understand. I can't believe I'm just finding out about this. And you will see somebody sitting there and they will have buckets like this big, like square rectangular buckets. And they'll have like two or three stacks of them next to them. And they just reach down, drop them in the machine. And and that's how they play i don't know what they're doing though i don't understand it at all i want to play it but then i'm like it looks stupid i don't want to win ball bearings what am i gonna do put in my car yeah what the fuck look at that it's so strange a bucket this guy's just taking fists of ball bearings and throwing them into

this machine and then they're bouncing around like a like a pinball machine turned up on its side yeah i i don't i don't understand it at all i don't know like what's the value on those ball bearings dude i i don't look every time i go to vegas every time i go through a casino i freak out i just i just see those people i feel like they're wasting their life playing those goddamn slot machines yeah yeah yeah but the first time i went the first time i fought in vegas i um i played a slot machine um that was the only time i was the first time i gambled like in the bahamas when i was growing up also bahamians couldn't even gamble in the bahamas but then i came here and i was in vegas and was like, I want to play slots, but I was like against gambling. So I played the nickel slots for a while.

I want 20 bucks on nickel slots. I remember shaking my, my, my winnings in people's faces. Like you got to go to like circus circus or someplace to play the nickel slots. Yeah. You ever go to that place? I bet.

Yeah. I've stayed at circus circus. That's a window into history. Yes. I go to circus circus every time i go to vegas with my kids because my youngest daughter likes going there she likes playing all those stupid carnival games she thinks it's hilarious she's nine you know yep so she likes shooting water at the thing and the balloon pops and all that stuff so we always go there but it's

always and then they do like a circus show well they they have like a clown and trapeze artists but it's like no disrespect but it's kind of second rate you know like the trapeze guy's got a gut yeah I mean especially when you come here you know

he's a little thick around the middle his best days are flipping around through the air over he's got yeah the big gut the long arms you know what I'm talking about yeah yeah that's I don't know especially Flipping around through the air over. He's got, yeah, the big gut, the long arms. Stretch down arms. Yeah.

Yeah, that's, I don't know. Especially when you compare, when you say second rate, especially when you compare it to like Blue Man Group or what's going on at like Mandalay or MGM or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I mean, A, it's, you're still on the strip. You're not on Fremont. Like Fremont is like, Fremont is like,

like second rate Vegas, right? Yeah, yeah. You're not on Fremont. Like, Fremont is like second-rate Vegas, right? Yeah. It's very different. Very weird. I remember, and, like, I know I'm going to probably catch some flack for this, but I got to tell you this story. I was there one time, and I'm telling my friends about it. I'm like, this is weird because I've never really been to Fremont

until this time in Vegas. And I was like, man, why aren't we on the strip? This is just so weird being out here. I was there for some fights. I was like, everything is just a little different. I mean, like, everything's really different. I mean, look, like, even the women. Like, look at that girl.

She's so, like, her body. She has a great body, right? She's, like, so fine. Then she turned around. She's like, her face is just, like, ruined, you know? Like, it's not my fault. I mean, she wasn't attractive to me. I'm sure she's attractive to somebody.

It's funny that it's hard to say that these days. You used to be able to say, someone's ugly. You can still say a dude's ugly. Nobody gives you a hard time. You can still say a dude's fat or a dude's ugly. Everybody's like, fine, no problem. People call me fat all the time. No one has a problem with that.

Fat and ugly for a guy is fine. But if you say a girl's fat you're body shaming if you say she's ugly you're a fucking sexist piece of shit and you're objectifying her yeah i i it's it's really hard i mean like there was this there's this lady who's a who's a singer um her name is lizzo right um big lady uh a bigger lady um plus size woman, right? Right. She that woman that was on the BET Awards? Yes. She's fucking talented. Yes.

Woo. Right? And like, see, here's the thing. Like, yeah, she's a plus size woman. Some people think that's overweight, but I'm like, she's not obese. So it's like, I mean, she's like gross, grotesquely obese. I guess that's how you say it. Right.

Not grossly obese. She could lose a say it. She's not grossly obese. She could lose a few pounds. She could if she wanted to. If she wanted to. But there's definitely plenty of guys in the world who that suits. There are some guys my size who that suits. There are some guys who are linebacker or lineman size who that suits. But then there are...

Nobody complains about the petite woman, but what about the big linebacker guy who's into petite women like yeah well you know that dude the mountain from game of thrones his girlfriend or his wife or whatever she is she's like three feet tall and he's a fucking giant yeah yeah like you see that sometimes i think the guy that played chewbacca like the original chewbacca i think his wife was was a tiny woman like not like a midget or anything but i'm in trouble now yeah there's uh that's the mountain oh wow that guy actually you know what she might be normal size yeah he's so fucking big well she's got heels on there at a gala. But he's so fucking big. Like that right there.

That looks like me with my nine-year-old. Yeah. It does. It does. That's height-wise. That guy's so goddamn big, it's ridiculous. Like if you cut off his body where her head is, he would still probably be twice her size. Twice her weight.

Oh, yeah. For sure. Yeah. The big fella. Yeah, he's always entering those strongman competitions are these the most ridiculous thing to watch you know whenever i'm like bored flipping through the channels and i catch some dude throwing a beer barrel over a fucking pole you know it's like there's always a suspended pole yeah throwing it over it over the top of like a high jump pole. It's so ridiculous. Yeah.

I mean, but those type of competitions you talk about like that. There's that and then you have that for the athletic or dynamic people like American Ninja Warrior. Yeah. Oh, that's fucking interesting, man. Yeah. Those Ninja Warrior shows are crazy. You watch those guys and you go, that is some serious fucking athleticism people do that. Yeah, that's a whole sport now.

They create gyms based around that. People are training for it. People are training for the trials. Yeah. I imagine. There's probably... I'd like to know who's the best at that weight class-wise. I bet it's guys that are like 160 pounds and under.

Yeah. Because you can carry yourself easily. We did a stunt on Fear Factor once where you had to, they were off a bridge and they had to hold, just hold themselves like on a chin up bar over a bridge. And the girls all beat the guys.

Wait, they were? They were just hanging. Just hanging, not killing themselves? Nope, just hanging. Just not just hanging nope just hanging huh just holding on the girls all beat the guys all three guys fell now it was like part of me was like maybe these guys are just bitches but part of me was like well the thing is like the guys they're pretty big dudes they're all around 200 plus pounds and uh you know that's a lot of weight in your hands and the girls are like 120 110 105 it's not as much weight there's there's a a genetic thing between men and women where there's some things that like we all we we see these in sports and whatnot there are some

sports that are just much more fun to watch when men are playing there's some sports yeah when we're playing there's some sports that are much more fun when women are playing. There's some sports that are both, right? Right. But there's something, I forget the test exactly, but it's something about leaning over and picking up a chair. There's a certain posture that you're in, and men can't do it, but women can. Huh. Like you can, but it's like a folding chair, like very, very light chair.

I don't know. Leaning over and picking up a chair? Yeah, so like you're leaning. I think you press your head onto the wall But arch your back in a certain way And you just have to use like your lats basically To pick up the chair And men can't do it

Really? Yeah How weird Yeah it's like a center of gravity test I remember doing it when I was younger So you leave your butt Oh You know my daughter tried to show me this the other day

Trying to get me to touch my toes With keep my back flat against the wall With the back of my legs against the wall And go down and touch your toes You just fall forward See, I had it all backwards You put your butt against the wall, not your head I'm just not used to sticking my butt up against stuff

Let me see that Let me see Tricks guys can't do Stand three feet away from a wall. Bend over. Put your head against the wall. Now try to stand up while lifting a chair. Oh, no.

You had it. Okay. There's a couple different things. So, yeah. It's all based around the center of gravity, though. Yeah, that's the one I'm going to try. I feel like I could do that. That's what I said.

Yeah. I mean, I don't think I'm being cocky and saying I could do that. But what if a guy's got, like, really good core strength? I don't think it has to do with your what if a guy's got really good core strength I don't think it has to do with your core Nothing to do with that Just all about center of gravity I think not most guys But you take a bunch of fit guys

They have a good strong core They can't do it You take some average woman Congratulations on your victory ladies You got us on one Yeah I don't want to You take some average woman. Congratulations on your victory, ladies. You got us on one. Yeah. I don't want to say.

That's one of those sensitive subjects where I'm like, I don't want to say anything smart-ass or anything, any kind of way, because I get myself in trouble. So much trouble to get into today. So many different things people get mad and upset about. They did a test with the way that men and women do a one-legged squat and i guess the way that each of us would go down is completely different when you have when you break it all the way down to that move oh so like the mechanics yeah is that because of the hips muscle structure everything yeah it probably is that but with women the the it's so different the

way the shape of their hips the like mechanic. Women kicking, that's one. For every Valentina Shevchenko that can knock someone out with one kick, you would think that a woman, take a 140-pound woman who is carrying 140 pounds with her legs all the time, going up flights of stairs, running, doing all these different plyometrics and shit, you would think that bitch could be able to kick a fucking hole through you. See, there's another use of the word bitch. That's okay.

It's out of respect. That's not derogatory. But no, like if you see a girl kick a bag, like there's a giant difference between a 140-pound girl kicking a bag and a 140-pound guy. Big difference. And now is it mostly technique or is it, you know, biological? I think it's biomechanics.

I think it's technique. I think it's just muscles. They're just built different. There's just different muscles. Like the hips are like this, right? Women's hips, especially if a woman has wide hips, right? Their hips go out wide and their legs kind of go in a little bit. Whereas a guy, I wonder if that's responsible for the,

what do they call that? The male spread? When dudes sit on a subway. And they spread the legs. They man spread. Yeah, they man spread. And people get real mad because they want to sit next to you. Yeah.

And your legs are all splayed out. You're being rude. But if a dude has no one next to him, that's how they sit. Yeah. Like their legs spread. I don't think women sit like that. I don't think it goes that way.

No, I don't like sitting like that. That's like sitting in, like, I've sat in coach most of my life, you know? And, like, it's uncomfortable. Like when you have to sit like that for an extended amount of time, it gets really uncomfortable. With your legs pinned together? Yeah. Yeah, it's weird.

Yeah, and then there are some times where after a while you just feel uncomfortable inside your pants and you've got to move stuff around. You can't even open your legs to do that. But with women, I think that's a normal way to sit. I think their body naturally, with their hips in the shape that they are, their legs kind of go towards each other. They kind of point towards the knees. It's more normal for them to sit with their legs kind of go towards each other they kind of point towards

the knees it's more normal for them to sit with their legs together i think does that make sense it makes sense i just i wonder if it has to do with anything that the equipment down there yeah it probably has to do with not wanting to be a hoe right i want to sit like this with your leg spread if a dude sits like that that's a confident man But if a girl's sitting there with her legs spread Like, look at this bitch There's another use of the word bitch This is a scientific article explaining manspreading And this is a spinal neurosurgeon's explanation

Thank you, spinal neurosurgeon The overall width of the pelvis Is relatively greater in females And the angle of the femoral neck Is more acute These factors could play a role in making a position of sitting with the knees close together less comfortable for men. Exactly. So all you man-spreading people that are shaming men for sitting in a natural way, how dare you?

You should be ashamed of yourself. Yeah, I'm offended. Yeah. I can't wait until women have all the power So we can just start shitting on them See, here's the subtle thing about that They kind of do, right? They have some It's like, who's the world champion of your house?

Yeah, but that's just happy wife, happy life That's how you have to run that shit Yeah Anytime you Otherwise, it just I've never seen another situation where it works Or you have like some some woman who just afraid she can't talk and you know you don't want that either no

that shit's not healthy it's not healthy it's not like how do you enjoy that i don't know you have to be a sick fuck yeah yeah i don't have my my house is zero designed by me there's no decorations of mine just i have one mounted elk head. That's it. The first elk I ever shot with a bow and arrow I have mounted. That's it.

Everything else is fucking, I don't care. It looks good. The first time I came through you gave me some elk meat. I made spaghetti out of it. It was some of the best spaghetti

I made ever. Super good for your body, man. Really good. You could eat that shit all the time. If you lived around here I'd hook you up all the time. Yeah, I used to. When I get back, I'm just going to start hitting you up asking you for help. How long are you in town for?

I leave in the morning. Do you have a place to cook tonight? Yeah. I got some food for you. Okay. Okay. I got some elk sausage that's out of this fucking world. All right.

Oh, it's good. Yeah. I'm completely down, man. The first time, I was a little hesitant because I was like, well, this didn't come from the store. You know what I mean? But then I took it home. I made it up, and I was just like, oh, man.

The flavor is so different. The flavor is different. The texture is different. I don't know. I wanted more. It's alive. I mean, in terms of when you're eating it, it just feels like it's got energy. It's got power.

Yeah. Like it tastes like it had a good life. Yeah, man. If you're eating some, like a pig that lives in a pen, like, oh, sad. It's just sadness. Yeah. You're eating an elk, especially if it didn't know you were there. Like that elk had no idea you were there until that arrow hit its ribcage,

and then it's dead in seconds. That thing lived a noble life. And that's the best way it's ever going to die. If you're an elk, you don't want to get caught in a valley with some wolves. That shit's rough. That's a rough way to go. I was talking to your buddy Jeff earlier about that. Like you got a choice. Of course, it that um like you got a choice right you're good of course

hypothetical you got a choice you're gonna you're gonna get mauled by a bear a gorilla um or die by a wolf or tiger what do you choose i take the gorilla all day because i think he's just gonna beat your ass i don't think he's gonna kill you because i don't think i don't think he wants to eat you but like the premise of the question is you're going to die. Yeah, then the tiger. Because the tiger is going to get your neck and kill you quick. That's my choice also. I think so.

Did you see the video of the tiger chasing the dudes on the motorbike? No. In India? It's horrific. These fucking dudes are driving on this road in this wildlife preserve. And this tiger comes full clip chasing them out of the jungle, and just bails off at the last second. Just can't catch them.

It should. It's fucking horrific. They're so fast. Like, what do you do, right? What can you do? There's nothing you can do. Unless you have a gun. You're so weak.

There's not much you can do. But then when you think about that, you think about Africa, you think about India, you think about these places where lions and tigers exist and people have existed since the beginning of time. At some point, someone had to win that, right? Just numbers, just population numbers. Here's a video. Check this shit out.

You're going to freak out. I don't need to see her, Jamie. Here it is. So these guys are on this thing this thing just he just tried he tried now the reason why this is significant is because in india tigers eat people all the fucking time they eat them all the time like there's tigers that target human beings there's a place in india called the sundarbans And the Sundarbans is, it's near this river that they think that one of the reasons why the tigers are so irritable is that they're drinking this river water.

And the river water has a high degree of salt in it, high level salt. And so they're irritated all the time. Yeah. They're just in agony. And they're particularly vicious. And over the last 200 years, tigers have killed more than 300,000 human beings in this one part of india why do you still live there like i'm i'm giving them you know i'm giving them i'm giving that place to the tigers because i i see that i see that video

and i imagine being that guy on that bike and like, you know what a bike seat is like, right? Yeah. Can you imagine being on a bike seat with like, I'm shitting myself. Yeah, for sure. If you have any shit in your body, it's going to come out. Like, there's no way you win that. Nope. There's no way you win that.

Not today. No, you don't win. You only win by being on a motorcycle and getting away. Yeah. The fact they got a video of it, though. Yeah. How did he do it? I hope he had a GoPro on.

He's just like riding. Hey. Listen, they get got all the time. All the time. Especially in India. India, I think, is the worst place in the world for tiger and human interactions. I don't get that.

Are the tigers in India bigger or smaller? They're just tigers. Yeah, I know it doesn't matter the size. They're either like 300 or 500 pounds or something like that. I think the biggest tigers are in Siberia. Okay. I think that's the case. Usually with mammals, what happens is the same species, when they they're in a hotter climate tend to be smaller

depends on the animal obviously than they are in the colder climates it's something it has something to do with preserving body temperature like deer for instance like if you get a white tail deer from texas it's much smaller than a white tail deer from saskatchewan yeah it's the same species. But way up north, it's just colder, and they'll grow like 300 pounds up there. Whereas a big whitetail in Texas is like half that size. Yeah. Yeah. That's people, too.

There are certain places where people are just larger. Yeah. The mountain guy from Game of Thrones, that motherfucker. I guess they had a controversial moment at the end of last year, end of this year. They had a tiger that was known for killing 13 people or more, and so they had a shoot to kill target on it. Yeah.

And I guess someone got it. And people are mad? People are mad. It killed 13 people, and people are mad that someone killed it. People are just fucking weak. They're just so soft. What if you got the wrong tiger? Fuck him.

Fuck them all. Anyone that you get a chance to kill that's close enough to kill you, kill them. Man, I think I can't get that video of the tiger chasing that bike out of my head. Because that's another thing. Those things, They're so coordinated That thing at full speed Can take a swipe At that back tire

And then you're screwed Like what do you do Because you Like what's your first reaction Going to be Like get up and try And get back on the bike There's nothing you can do

There's nothing you can do There's no way You can get the bike Going in time The tire would be on you So fast I mean they can run They can probably run

40 miles an hour Those fucking things Yeah And it's probably 400 pounds 500 pounds 400 pounds of something an animal is 400 something pounds and runs at twice the speed of usain bolt how is that fair i mean that's why there's not a million deer you know the reason why there's not a million deer in that same spot yeah because of those tigers they need them you know i was um in lanai which is um one of the smaller islands in hawaii hunting uh axis deer and the axis deer were given to king kamehameha of Hawaii like in the 1800s. And when we were over there, you know, you bow hunt these things.

And I'm telling you, you've never seen a deer move this fast. The reason why they're so fast is they evolved to get away from tigers. So when they see you, they make this noise like, and then they fucking scatter. And they're so fast. Like, it's hilarious to watch. fucking scatter. And they're so fast. It's hilarious to watch. Like, wow. They're so fast. When you say that, my brain just starts doing the math.

And I'm like, of course, the ones that got caught by the tigers are the slower ones. So the fastest ones are mating. Yeah, I can only imagine. Like, yeah, I can only imagine. It's kind of like an Olympic sprinter, a female Olympic sprinter marries a running back and they have a kid. Woo! Yeah. Look, genetics are real. I mean, that's one of the reasons why America's becoming softer and softer is because what are you getting?

You're getting people that sit at a desk all day with fucking herniated discs and a fat belly, drinking coffee and eating donuts, and they marry someone who's just like them, and they barely get their shit together, and they have a kid who watches video games all day and eats cookies, and he's gross, and then he marries another girl who's like that, and next thing you know, you go through this four, five, six generations, you get piss-poor genes. Yeah.

four five six generations you get you get piss poor genes yeah i um i i just recently went home to the bahamas and i i'm starting to miss it more and more and more because as i get older i i i long for the things that i did as a little kid i long for the places that i was at as a little kid and so my family's from this little place called Farmers Ski Exuma that's three-quarters of a mile by seven-eighths. I think I told you that before. And it's tiny. And I was there this time and just seeing, just waking up every morning and just looking out the window and just blue ocean all day. I want to go back there. And the people that live there, like you get a boat at like 14, 15 years old because there's really nothing that you can do on the island other than interact with your family and fish, right?

Everything that you need staple-wise, you have to go somewhere else to get it or it has to be brought in. So, like, I have a cousin who is, like, he's older than me. He's, like, my grandmother's generation, but he's my cousin. He's, like, four years older than me. But, like, this guy, he free dives. he's like four years older than me but like this guy he free dives and he will go down and he will hang out on the water for like two or three minutes like with us with a spear he doesn't he doesn't like to scuba he doesn't like to take um take a tank with him one time we're we're fishing off the back of the boat he's off the front and he's like he and then on top of that he's in he's

in the water and he really comes out of the water, and he reaches up. He says, hey, Julian, bring the boat over here. It's a shark. So, like, there's like a – and then he goes back down. You know what I mean? There's a shark in the water near him, probably a reef shark. And he's got his spear, and he's just like, just get closer, but I'm still fishing. Like, that's the life. So he just wants to be able to get out if shit goes sideways.

Yeah. I'm assuming, but I'm like – He's not scared. Would you think that it would be safer to be in the water or on top of the water if there was a shark? Like if you had goggles, you could see the motherfucker. Wouldn't you want to be in the water rather than on top and not knowing where he's coming from? I would think so. I would think so.

But then you like not only is it 360, but it's like universal. The view is universal, right? Right. But if you're on top of the water and you can see, at least it's like you got your back to the wall. Yeah. You can't come from the top. That's true. That's true.

I don't know. I don't know. But at the same time, you're in the water with an animal who's, that's his natural habitat. Yeah. Like, you can't even turn around nearly as fast as he can. He can probably swim around you and come up from the back before you can even turn around yeah probably yeah they swim pretty fucking fast yeah they're like ninjas in the water they just clean the cleanup crew just like that tiger i um so my girlfriend and i were there and i was um

feeding the turtles right so i try to grab a turtle and literally the turtle is this big it's no bigger than this and i'm about to pick it up i'm trying to pick it up being like explain to people oh i'm sorry yeah um probably like 16 inches yeah a trash can lid no bigger than a trash can lid and um i am trying to pick it up and this before i can get it out of the water those there's this big, arms that they have, he pulls me down into the water. Like this little thing, he probably weighs 40, 50 pounds, right? And it's just so powerful in the water.

Like if I were to hang on to that turtle, I would be moving faster than I would move with fins on. Whoa. Like how is that possible? Like I don't want to talk about my weight, but I'm a lot bigger than that Than that turd You getting sensitive?

I'm not a fight weight anymore You're eating well You look good man Don't worry about it Do you think you're going to move to Bahamas? Do you think you'd live there someday? I like Ultimately I'm definitely going to live back there

Yeah In my lifetime you know I I mean If I want to I want to die there whoa you know what i mean i don't necessarily want to die anytime soon right but when you do you want to live the end of your life there the relaxed life island life hey man i get it every time i go to hawaii i just i my brain starts spinning i'm like can i live here why don't i just move here like i don't i don't need

much you know you you had did you watch the steve jobs movie no i haven't either but just recently it was on television and the opening scene was some guy in like i don't know the 70s or 60s talking about computers when computers are huge when computers were like those big things take up an entire room um he's like yeah one day like you can be anywhere in the world and you can work. You can be on a remote island and you can be doing your work and you'll get emails. He's talking about emails like in the 60s. He's talking about the internet in the 60s or something. It's on the beginning of the Jobs movie.

Is that the one with Ashton Kutcher? No. I was going to ask which one. There's another one. Michael Fassbender 2 that came out. I think it's the Fassbender. I don't know what Michael Fassbender looks like. I know that name, but who's Michael Fassbender?

He's – What was he in? I think he's like Loki in the Avengers. I think that's him too. Oh, that makes sense. Unless I'm just mixing somebody up. Yeah, I think – That makes sense.

I think that's him. But yeah, that movie um they were talking about that then and i'm like you know and then 2001 was when um jobs came out with the yeah that's him oh no no is he loki no he's someone but i'd make somebody up but he's from prometheus he's the robot in the prometheus and alien He's the, yeah, that guy's excellent. Yeah. Oh, so he played Steve Jobs. Was Steve Jobs an asshole in the Steve Jobs movie?

Yeah, I mean, I only saw like the first five minutes. I want to watch this, but he does look, yeah, he is in the movie. But the claim is that you have to be an asshole to be like a genius. I don't know if I buy that. I don't buy it either a lot of people who get a lot of shit done eventually run into people that don't get shit done the way they want and so the only way they figure out how to get shit done with those people is to dominate them yeah push it to yell at them and to you know like the apple deal was that you had to work insane

hours too that's a weird thing man if you're gonna work for a company you got a good job is it a good job what's so good about it that you get money where's your life you don't have a life you're working 17 hours a day oh okay that sucks that's a shitty job even if you're making a lot of money like a guy who makes less money but it can take the weekend off and go fishing and hang out with his kids and chill, that's a better life. Preach it, Joe. Preach it. That's a better life.

I'm listening. Hallelujah. That Bahamas life is the way to go. I'm telling you, man. You got me thinking. When I was at home, it was just nice. A fighter's life is kind of like that. Right. A fighter's life is kind of like that. I mean, not all the time and not every one, but you get to do what you love to do, and then you get to do what you want to do.

If you can handle the highs and the lows, with fighters, it's handling the highs with the ego and the lows with the emotions and just letting everybody down and the depression. Both of those things. Those are the extremes. depression that both of those things that's like those are the extremes but that that the highs of of winning big fights and and have getting being admired for something that really truly becomes a part of you just just being yourself yeah like um that that feels good but you do put a lot of weight on yourself and and when you lose like i't going to lie, man, there has been some things on the internet. Like when I lost to Hominic, right? It was like, oh, he threw that fight.

And I was like, that breaks my heart. That hurts my heart. When someone says you threw the fight. Yeah. Yeah, you just can't read that shit. But I know what you mean. Yeah. You can't read.

There's people that they have crazy theories about nonsense. There's, you know, that have crazy theories about nonsense. That's crazy, the idea that you threw a fight or that you would get together or make a bet against yourself or something stupid like that. I just heard at some point over the past year or so, I heard an argument that, well, if a guy doesn't make weight and the other guy gets so much of his purse, and he's going to get his win and show money, right? If he's guaranteed his win and show money anyway, then why wouldn't he just throw the fight and get a bonus percentage of the winner's win money? That's a moron.

That's a moron. Well, not only that. Thank you. That's not just a moron. It's a moron. Well, not only that. Thank you. That's not just a moron. It's someone who doesn't understand the psychology of a winner. Yeah. The thing about a winner is the last thing a winner wants to do is lose on purpose. Right.

And when you have the opportunity, the big thing is winning. You have the opportunity to win. It's right in front of you. And you only get a chance to do this three times a year, four times a year, five if you're a cowboy. Right? Like, how many times he... Cowboy's crazy. He's crazy. But he fights like five times a year, right? If he could.

He'd probably fight every week. Yeah. But the idea that you're going to throw that, the best feeling that you could ever achieve, they're crazy. They just don't understand it. But that's just the problem with the internet is reading comments.

Too many morons with ideas. I used to love the underground, man. It was great back in the day. I was like, I had the O, what? I think I have double O's. You know what I mean? Like being from back then, you know? Yeah.

Or maybe even a 90. Like at some point they just gave you the number. I was on in double O's. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like being from back then, you know? Yeah. Or maybe even a 90. Like at some point they just gave you the number. I was on in the 90s. Same here. Yeah. So like I don't know if my thing says 99 or double O. I still sign in every once in a while. Just to check in.

Just to check in. So much toxic conversation. But that's just the internet in general. There's still a lot of good discussions on the underground. I think last time I was on was about a month ago. I went and checked. I was like, hmm. Especially there was some good jiu-jitsu talk.

There was some good technique talk about leg locks and whether or not there's going to be a transition from leg locks because the leg lock game sort of overtook jiu-jitsu, whether or not it was going to, uh, switch to choking or when there was someone's like, whether it's going to be a new trend because leg lock defense is so good now. And I'm like, I appreciate that.

I appreciate when people are like devoted practitioners and they're really discussing technique and discover, but when it's like, this guy's a pussy and he fucking sucks. And you know, Ronda Rousey's a fucking bitch. There's so much of that on the internet. It's hard to filter through that to find some good conversations sometimes. Yeah, it's like, in your life, you would avoid people like that, like the plague.

Like, if there was a guy in your life that wanted your phone number, and all he does is complain about things and have stupid theories, you'd be like, get this guy the fuck away from me right yeah but you can't avoid them online yeah no online that's the thing that and that you know being anonymous on the internet that's that's some power for some people man sure man that's crazy well it's also you got to realize that the people that are executing that power the the people that want and need that power, they're all either young or they're losers. Those are the two. They're either young and they don't get it. They're 14.

Someone lets them on. They just want to say mean shit because it's fun. Like you got a rock. There's a window. Eh. No one's looking. I'm going to throw this rock. That's what people do.

It's normal. But I don't want to hang out with young kids and I don't want to hang out with losers. But see see that's the problem i think there's something with that too that um i mean i mean we know there's something with that where that being anonymous you that's a protection yeah like you see sometimes that bleeds into their real life i mean i saw this this video this kid he's like he's just like making fun of this older man he was he's being rude to this woman he's making fun of this older man. He's being rude to this woman. He's making fun of this older man. So the man starts making fun of him too.

He's like, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh. And so the kid starts punching him in the arm. And the guy's like, he just turns away. And the kid's swinging at him. And this is not like a little kid. He's a little kid. He's not a kid that you would smack if he started talking smack to you.

You wouldn't fight him because of that. But then this kid starts punching him. And he tells the kid to stop and the kid keeps going and he grabs my throat and he pushes him. And the kid falls down. Then he starts crying. Hey, you assaulted me. It's like, what reality do you live in, man?

Your parents have failed. I'm sorry. Life failed them. They live in a blurry reality it's too much online not enough real world yeah like not enough getting your ass kicked that's the thing fighting solves everything man solves a lot of things everything i hate those people that say fight fighting what is that going to solve like everything i'm telling you like my thing is like if you start if you i don't like going back and forth. You know what I mean?

We're not going to go back and forth. You say something disrespectful, I'm going to say something disrespectful. I'm going to up the ante. And then if you want to keep going, man, we can just stop talking right now and go. I know I'm an old man now, but that solves everything. There's no reason to be talking also having a history of that in your life Gives you a much better perspective of the consequences of talking shit If you don't have any history how many times you've seen guys talk shit, and you know they can't fight like this is crazy

This is like someone challenging someone to a race They've never driven a car like they don't even know how to shift gears You don't know a goddamn thing what you watch a jackie chan movie thinking to fuck somebody up it's like but there's a lot of people that are doing there's so many people that believe that like and then just guys who watch fights like they they believe that they could beat they they're legit people that believe they could beat people that are inside the octagon or inside a professional cage inside inside the PFL or Ryzen or somewhere. And they're just like, I could beat that guy. No, you can't.

I can't really believe that. No, you can't. Just by being them. I could be Pauly Malignaggi. Did you see? No, dude. No, he'll fuck you up. That was a sad fight, man.

I watched it again. I didn't watch. I don't know. I can't bring myself to watch the bare knuckle boxing. I tell you what, man. It changed my opinion. I was thinking for a long time that MMA done correctly, you'd have bare knuckles.

Because I was like, why you got bare shins and bare knees and bare elbows, but you have your knuckles padded up? That doesn't make any sense. But now I see the cuts, like Chris Lieben, his face was just opened up, man. I was like, that is just – I don't want to see people take unnecessarily cuts that way because then that scar tissue opens up and then shortens their career stops fights i don't want to see it also breaking hands i mean like i i that's why i don't want to watch it i i'm not a big fan of cuts remember um marvin eastman and vitor belfort i don't i don't i don't like i don't like you know yeah

horrific i want i i want to show you something okay that's like you do when you do you see when you see those gory videos does that really throw you no okay so i'm gonna show you something and it's horrible right but um oh crap what is it um it's a video it's a video of i don't even know how to explain it i don't want i don't want to tell you what it is until you see it because it is so graphic. Is it a fight video? It's not a fight video. It's just something gory. Okay.

You want to see some gore? Yeah. All right. Show me. I keep forgetting how to get through my phone sometimes, but I found it. Okay. Let's see. So you're watching that, right? Okay.

I don't know if those two things go together. Oh, Jesus Christ. Oh, Jesus Christ. Yeah. Whoa. You can see that, Jamie. Yeah. Yeah.

Whoa. I don't know if that part one equals part two. I don't know if that was just edited, but still. It looks like it took him right in the mug. That seems like what it would do if a log hit you in the face like that. I don't want to see that. Whole head is broken. He's missing his upper jaw.

Yeah. Yikes. I don't even want to look. Yeah. Well, how about Cyborg? When Michael Venom Page hit him with that knee? Woo! That's one that makes you fucking, your whole body tightens up.

Like, how do you dent somebody's skull? Like, do you know how much force you have to hit somebody with like that? Crazy. Think of all the fights you've seen. We've never seen that. I've never seen that i've never seen that think about this when something you've everybody's been hit on the head or something fell on your head and it's an edge of something and just that pain yeah i can't imagine what that pain is like that's that's bone yeah the bone i don't want to see it there's like

no i'm not saying no but i'm just like over there, like, that screen brightened up. Well, how about, yeah, what Cosmo Alexandre did to Sage Northcutt. That's crazy, too. One punch broke, like, eight bones in his face. Yeah. Like, this is not for the lighthearted, man. It's not for the lighthearted. Like, a lot of people, like, I'm not a sage hater, but I'm not a sage lover. You know what I mean?

But, like, I don't wish that on anybody. I don't wish that on anybody either. And I don't like that matchup. I didn't like that matchup at all. I was like, what are they doing? That's a world champion striker. Cosmo is a fucking bad man. He's a bad man.

He lights people on fire Yeah You know And him at 185 pounds With no weight cutting And that's one of the things That he said about that fight How good he felt Like where he didn't have to cut any weight

You see how thick Fucking full he looked It wasn't depleted and dehydrated And everything like that And that is just not Sage's Bring it back to the beginning but look how does this in all angles you can see look how thick he is too like if you've seen cosmo's fights before i remember when he fought john wayne parr in lion fight i mean but

john wayne parr is a multiple time world champion and a skillful guy and he managed to avoid like the big power shots like this and didn't get hurt. But it's also Cosmo having a chance to punch you with MMA gloves on too. The majority of his career he fought Muay Thai. Boom. I mean, that is a crazy punch. Everything's behind that. And it's like this kid is just not ready for this yet.

He's just not ready for this. As much as he has experience in karate and he had some good MMA fights against some good fighters, this is not a good fighter. That's an elite world-class striker. And you're fighting him with little gloves on in a ring. And your mixed martial arts game is primarily a striking game. Yep. You're at a big disadvantage. Huge, enormous disadvantage. I like what one is doing, though. I really do. I like what they're striking. Mm-hmm. Yep. You're at a big disadvantage. Huge. Enormous disadvantage.

I like what one is doing, though. I really do. I like what they're doing. I thought that's interesting, too, that they made them fight in a ring. I don't know how many events one does in a ring versus does in a cage,

but the dynamics shift radically when you get caught, you get cornered. You know, like, that's one of the cool things about the Bellator cage. It's circular. There's no corner in anybody.

Yeah. But that, you know, when you see a boxing ring like that yeah um that's especially again with cosmo like yes that's where he spent most of his time like all of his time it's a different environment and cutting that off is so much easier and for a guy who's who knows how to do that it she it's almost like Sage was set up. I'm not saying they set him up, but that's just a bad situation. I mean, I guess he didn't have to take the fight. I don't know. I should say I don't know how they do their matchmaking.

I don't know if it's like the UFC kind of forces fights on people, right? They let you know, like, you take this fight or we're probably not going to call you. I mean, it's up to you, but if you want a career in the UFC, you take fights when you get them. But when you see fighters in boxing, they have a really good manager. The manager knows who the guy you're going to fight is and says, okay, Eve, this guy is good, but you can beat him.

And this is what I like about this style. He's going to challenge you in a couple areas, but overall you're a better fighter than him. But it will give you a challenge, and we're trying to build your record up to get you a title shot. And, you know, maybe you'd be 9-0, 10-0, 11-0, 12-0. And then, you know, you get to a certain level, and they go, okay, we're ready to fight for a title.

And then it would be this big promotion. Eve Edwards, you know, 17-0, you know, 16 knockouts, and it shows your highlight reel. Like, this is something that big management. This is the reason why it exists in boxing. It's actually smart because it's part of the development of a fighter. For every Jon Jones that could just step into the octagon at 21 years old and start fucking people up there's so many

young fighters that could be world champions but then they run into elite competition early in their career and get fucked up and then they their dream kind of drifts away from them yeah fear gets put in put in them early yeah that's yeah that's a problem and unnecessarily in my in my opinion yeah i agree um and that's that's the thing about guys getting into the ufc really early in their career like that's everybody's goal virtually every fighter on the planet that's where they want to be that's the most recognized belt that's that's the belt that everybody considers the the highest rank belt right so that's where everybody wants to get and getting there with two or three fights under your right under your belt um it's exciting but like you don't you're you're in the wolf's den now yeah it's not smart everybody wants to

say they're a ufc fighter but it really isn't smart the smart way to do it is to fight on the regional circuit train at a really good gym, and develop yourself. Get to a point. Brian Ortega. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, look what Marlon Marais did. You know?

When he was before PFL, when it was the World Series of Fighting, he was fucking everybody up over there. And we were watching him going, how would this guy fare against world-class competition? And then you get him into the UFC. You go, okay, this guy's the real deal. Yeah, he's right there. He's the real deal. But it took all those years in smaller shows and to build up that sort of skill set and that confidence and experience.

There's a lot of good guys that came through there, like Gaethje. Sure, perfect example. Yeah. And it's also a good place when guys got get when when guys got but when i'm not talking about now of course because it's not along the world series but when guys got you know they got to the ufc and they did their experience show that they weren't ready for it and you know having these smaller promotions that that's a good thing because some of those guys their spirit doesn't necessarily break they just know they're not ready for that yeah so going back down and working their way back up but then again it's hard it's sometimes it's hard to to earn that

second shot you know what i mean yeah like you can go back and and i guess it all depends also on the relationship you had with with with the powers that be right once you once you're out you know if you you went out on a bad note it kind of doesn't really matter yeah there's some bridge burners out there. Some young guys, they get crazy and then they do an interview. Interviews are so toxic, right? You start getting crazy and you say something that really could fuck up your entire career. And you might not even really mean it.

Or if you do mean it, you might mean it only for an hour. And then after you say, like, why did I say that? Really, I should look at it from their perspective. They're trying to run a it from their perspective they're trying to run a business don't be in your feelings yeah don't be in your feelings well like you know one of the more interesting things about the pfl this season was uh vinnie magalhaes like vinnie magalhaes has become who i thought he would be earlier in his career because he's such a phenom with grappling i mean he's he's the legitimate world champion i mean i remember watching him throw a flying arm bar on peyde pano who's a multiple time brazilian jiu-jitsu world champion himself and vinny just locks him up and

jumps into a flying arm bar i'm like that is crazy and finished him off i was like that is insane like that's how good vinny is and he was catching people and and i thought he was on his way and sean what is his last name sean o'connell o'connell yeah i want to say o'malley but i know that's not his name sean o'connell i was very impressed man amazed that he was able to beat him man he put he put a real good game plan together he had jeremy horn in his corner too like having having that knowledge yeah bank behind you you know what i mean but um like vinny i think his fights lasted like not even around to get into to get to the finals yeah so that's four fights and he hasn't even spent five minutes in the cage yet you know and then sean

takes him to the end but then this season vinny just fought a couple of weeks ago and um man the i guess it's kind of like the strategy to be Vinny, of course, is to keep the fight standing, not get taken down, not be on bottom, don't even let him pull guard. But he took a pounding in that first round. He needs a win. He needs to show that Vinny-level jiu-jitsu in his next fight to get into the playoffs this year.

Did he win his fight? He lost. He got stopped in the second, year. Did he win his fight? He lost. He lost. He got stopped in the second, I believe. By who? Emiliano Soti. Oh. He lit him up, man.

Really? He just picked him apart, stayed on the outside. I think Vinny did land one takedown, but Soti defended, got back to his feet, and he just worked him. Body, head, just really good boxing. Yeah, Vinny might be just that guy that's just elite level jujitsu guy that never quite realizes his full potential in mma you know and it's also like the amount of time you got to think he was back in the ultimate fighter

ryan bader stopped him in the finals that was a long time ago it was like third or fourth fourth or fifth season something like that so what that, 2007 or something like that, 12 years ago? That's a long career. That's a long time. But, like, he still looks good. He still has it. His striking has gotten better. I mean, he's not going to be able to go toe-to-toe with the elite-level strikers in his weight class.

But his wrestling is where I think that's where he really needs to focus now if he still wants to do it or how much longer he wants to do this. Right. How old is he now? I think Vinny's 33, 34? 35. That's close. But his striking is, you have to respect it.

You have to respect his standing. And if he can transition to taking a shot off of that and just chain wrestle, that'll be so much better. Because on top, of course, he's going to taking a shot off of that and just chain wrestle, that'll be so much better because on top, of course, he's going to be a monster, but if he's pulling guard, there's a few guys he's going to catch, but most of the

better guys, you're going to have a problem there. What are you going to say? It's his birthday today. It's Jack 35. Happy birthday, Vinny. Yeah, he's one of the few guys. Didn't he get two Kimuras in a row? Two Kimuras on the same night. Did he really? All of them fighting on the same night.

That shit's crazy. I'm not a fan of that. Why? Because I think that the problem is, say if two guys fight, right? And one guy knocks the other guy out real quick and then goes into the next round. But the other guy who is going to fight, he fights and he has a rough three-round war. And then he goes into the next fight. One guy is super fresh and the other guy's body is beat to shit.

Just doesn't make sense. One guy's legs are all fucked up. He's been leg kicked. He might have got dinged. He might be a little dizzy. And then he's going to go and fight an hour later? That seems ridiculous to me. But what about like, so that's different for you if it's wrestling or if it's a submission grappling tournament?

Yes. Because there's no striking? Yeah, because there's no striking. The thing about that is you can always, if you're going in banged up, right, or if you get hurt, we saw that last year in the playoffs. I forget who it was. I believe it was Islam Amadov, right? He won his fight, but he – I don't remember what the injury was, but he pulled out, you know, and the guy he beat,

who was not banged up really. I mean, the fight was a tough fight. He claimed he was going in at 100% except for the conditioning. Yeah, but the thing is, like, there's a difference between being injured, like you tear your ACL and you know it, and, like, I can't fight. I can't go on, and just being beat to shit. That is the difference. But, I mean, what's the difference between fighting?

You can only fight five rounds. Right. And no commission is going to let you fight five rounds more than five rounds in a night so in the playoffs for the pfl we have two rounds in the quarterfinals and then the semifinals is three rounds right it's kind of tricky because should the fight end up in a draw then the fighter who won the first round wins the fight what yeah i think it should be the second yeah some people think it should be the second some people think it should be the first why is it the fighter that won the first round i don't know i mean that seems silly it's yeah don't you want to like if the the teacher comes and pulls you off a dude you're on top you punch him in the face but that guy was hitting you with a jab for the first two minutes it doesn't matter everybody knows you won the fight street fighter yeah if you're on top and you punched him in the face but that guy was hitting you with a jab for the first two minutes it doesn't matter everybody knows you won the fight street fight yeah if you're on top and

you're punching him in the face when the when they break it up you won yeah he knows it too everyone knows it i agree so i i do like i do like the second round being weighed weighed more heavily yeah i think also having the second round weighed more heavily um where the first round is you're going to press the action and and the guy's not really going to run because if i mean if you do run you can't be assured that if unless you dominated the first round completely you can't be assured that you're going to win that i get the strategy though where they want people to fight exciting fights they don't want anybody to hold their energy hold back back until the second round. I get that.

That makes sense. Yeah, but at the same time, if one guy presses the action in the first, everybody's good. I mean, you got to go. Yeah, that's true. I don't know. But it's, see, the only problem with that is if commissions would allow three rounds, you know? Yeah. I mean, what's an extra round anyway like there's there's not a single it's weird how sometimes these people who don't do it and they they say they they um

they're concerned for your safety you know like we're fighting we already agreed to do this like you know what i mean i know that's the worst thing that could happen today is a fight. Yeah. You can't wait about someone's safety. Yeah, it's funny. I don't know, man. I just think that twice a night, when you talk to neurologists in particular, they think it's very dangerous because they think repeated concussions. Like one of the things about football that they're really concerned with was guys that get head injuries early in the game,

they sit on the bench for a quarter and then jump back in. They're worried about that. They're worried about repeated concussions in one day. I get that. And I also think, like, where football is concerned, again, I love football. I still like to watch the sport. And I have nothing against that. As long as the players have the information, you're making a choice, right?

It's freedom. Now, today, yeah, they have, you know making a choice, right? Right. It's freedom. Now, today, yeah, they have – you know, Bo Jackson said he wouldn't let his kids play. Yeah. Well – Which is really interesting. Yeah. He said he didn't know. He said no one knew back then.

Yeah, no one – I mean, it's like, well, yeah. They thought you were wearing a helmet. You're going to be fine. See, that's the thing about – that's where I think the difference between fighting and the NFL and football happens is because like if I gave you a basketball and I stood here and I said, throw that in my head as hard as you want, right? As hard as you can, right? I don't think you're going to go, you're going to try to smash me in the head with the basketball, right? But if I put on a helmet, you're going to be more willing to throw it harder, right? But it's like that doesn't like that really doesn't change anything.

It's now that you – this perceived defense protection, there's just a barrier, but I'm still getting that concussive force of you throwing that basketball at my head, right? But when you take football, you're not taking just a punch, traveling at like 20, 30 miles an hour from like two feet away, hitting somebody. Yes, it's repeated, but people don't take really more than 60 punches in a fight. But sometimes they do.

But football is like you're slamming into each other, and we're talking about 250-pound men at full speed at 15 to 20 miles an hour. Boom. Boom. And then they're both running at each other that's yeah like a head-on collision so that's the impact's insane that's that's so different but um like i don't i don't i don't say don't don't play the sport just make sure the information is out there let that the people make their choice what if there's ever going to be anything they can do to figure out how to protect the brain. I mean, there's got to be a way that they can figure out how to,

well, maybe not. I mean, your brain's sloshing around inside there. Yeah. They have a way. Give us the information and let you decide whether you want to put your brain at risk or not. You know what I mean? Yeah.

But what I like, the thing about the pfl because when you get when you get to the playoffs that those two fights in one night um i fought in tournaments i like you know you knew about boxes being punchy and all that i knew that but um like i don't know there's there's a thing there's a thing about competing there's a passion about competing and having that tournament opportunity that's a lot of fun. Like a lot of these young guys, a lot of these young fighters, they didn't get the chance to fight in tournaments because tournaments kind of ended recently.

The Pride tournaments were awesome. And then, of course, back then there was a lot of tournaments. The UFC had the tournament originally. So that's a whole lot of fun. But like with the PFL season, what I like about it is there's a bunch of of fun but like with the pfl season what i like about it is is there's a bunch of different storylines that happens you know you you're fighting to gain points to get into the playoffs so the there are two regular season fights and the first regular

season fight you um you you know where you everybody's sitting at zero but then you come in the second of course everybody wants to win their fight everybody wants to win as soon as possible to get the maximum amount of points but then when you come in the second. Of course, everybody wants to win their fight. Everybody wants to win as soon as possible to get the maximum amount of points. But then when you come into the second fight, then everybody's like, okay, you're looking at the numbers. I need this. I need this. You're concerned, and then you're watching throughout the night to figure out who's got to do what. Well, explain that to people that don't understand what we're talking about because you guys have a score system.

We have a scoring system. So in the Professional Fighters League, a win, you have to win. We have a seating system we have a scoring system so in the professional fighters league um a win you have to win um you have to we have a seating for the playoffs so the top eight fighters in in the in the male weight classes and the women are only eight so the top four fighters get into the playoffs right and you get in by point standings so you get a draw that's one point for each fighter you get a win that's three points but you get a win by stoppage in the third round that's one point for each fighter you get a win that's three points but you get a win by stoppage in the third round that's four points win by stoppage in the second five win by stoppage in the first six so you try to accrue points so accumulate points so that when we get to the

playoffs you're seated in the top eight and i'm talking about the men just remember that the women are four in the playoffs but when you you get seeded through the top eight and then you fight a quarterfinal and semifinal fight on the same night and the winners from those nights,

the winners in the semifinals go to the championships and that's on New Year's Eve and that's for a million dollars. So you get three fights for a million dollars. That's pretty fucking good. That's really good.

Yeah. Right? So I wish this tournament was around when i was because like i'm like yeah i want to do that you know sure i want to win a million dollars so how many fighters got a million um six wow six fighters got a million dollars last year so um there it is six champions million dollars each yeah and this year will be six six millionaires again um the the way that the season plays out like i said you you fight the first round of the regular season when you come in we're going into

the second round of the regular season now so on on the 8th on july 8th i'm sorry july 11th on thursday night we're going to be in atlantic city we have the women and we have the women 155 pounders and then we have the men welterweights. And so this is a fight that I'm really excited about, right? Magomed Magomed Karimov, he won last season, but then Chris Curtis came into the PFL and he won his first fight. Magomed won his first fight, got six points. Chris Curtis got four points, got a third round stoppage

and he called out Magomed Karimov. He called out the champion from last year. So he wants to go into this next fight fighting the champion i'm like why would you do that because if you lose that you're not making it into playoffs you lose your opportunity a million dollars but like that that that that bravado of being a fighter and wanting you know you want to you want to knock the best guy off right you always want the best guy but to call him out in a fashion where where it it threatened your potato like he has to perform right he has to perform now so like that fight really interests me because maggie mad karamov is really good he can do everything like he's one of those guys who doesn't look like you know his body type he doesn't look

like the kind of guy will smash you but he will like did you see ray cooper last year like ray cooper the second ray cooper the second that's what's crazy is that jake shields fought his dad yeah and him and him and fought him twice that was what was kind of fucked up i watched both those fights i was like damn they're making jake shields fight this dude again they didn't make him do it i know they didn't make him do it but he fucked jake up and then he fucked him up again a couple months later yeah how many months later was it? Like three or four months? Like three months. Yeah. The seeding.

That's rough. But a bad KO like that from the same guy, and then you fight a... I mean, he didn't have any answers for that dude. To fight a guy like Ray, who is, I believe he's a state champion Hawaiian wrestler, right? And who does he have some fucking heavy hands? He's like the Mike Tyson of welterweights. And for welterweight, he's fairly short. he's like the mike tyson of like welterweights and for welterweight he's fairly short he's like five seven yeah he just throws fucking bricks well so does john howard though john howard's got some fucking bombs in his hands yeah i like that fight

too yeah very interesting fight that's a very good fight now with that fight i because ray hits a lot john howard does have some bombs in his hands I think Ray has more power though You know I feel like Howard's going to have to stick and move Use those leg kicks And try to slow him down

You can't You can't go out there Trying to take Ray Cooper out early Well John's been around a long time too John has had a long career Yeah You know I mean How old is John now?

I think John is probably like 33 now. He's at least. Maybe 35. He was in the UFC a long time ago. Mine is 36. 36, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and he's been in some crazy wars, you know.

He's been in some wars. He's a black, like he just got his black belt. And that's the only guy who beat Ray Cooper last season. You know, Magma Karamov beat him by submission. belt um and that's the only guy who beat ray cooper last season you know maggie mary caramoff beat him by submission um i think that's that's the best the best option for a lot of guys facing him because he has so much power now all these are on nbc sports is that what they're doing espn 2 espn 2 now espn 2 and espn plus okay well that's that's right that's that's new to this year right that's new to this year that's very exciting's new to this year. That's very exciting.

That's very exciting. So ESPN+, which also has the UFC, and put it on ESPN as well. That's great. That's so good, man, that ESPN is stepping into MMA like this. I love it. It's huge because I thought this last year when the UFC signed with ESPN, I was like, that's a great thing because a lot of times the UFC, when fight fans watch the UFC,

they only, they only think of the UFC as, as mixed martial arts. I'm sorry. They think of mixed martial arts as the UFC. Right. You know, people ask you,

train UFC, you know what I mean? Right, right. But, but like ESPN being the worldwide leader in sports, I've seen like highlights on ESPN from Ryzen, from,

you know, from Japan, from you know from japan from one all these different from some small promotions and it's like that helps the sport grow that helps people recognize that this is just there's not only one avenue for the sport and these these guys do have to cut their teeth somewhere and also there are some other organizations where where you can get some quality fights and really good fighters. And money. And money. Yeah. I like there being a lot more options for guys where the money's concerned.

I'm very happy about that. I mean, that's how they lured Sage over to 1FC and also Eddie Alvarez and Mighty Mouse. Yeah. But it's a different world when there's no weight cutting. I am such a giant fan of that know what weight cutting deal, the way they're doing it over at 1FC. Okay, so what exactly are they doing? Hydration tests. And how far out before the fight?

I don't know. I don't know how they're doing it, but what it was explained to me is they essentially say if you were the 170-pound champion, they bump you up to like 185. They're like, look, you're going to fight 185 now. There's no weight-cutting. We're going're gonna test your weight we're gonna test your hydration we're gonna we're gonna know what your real weight is so this is your real weight your real weight is 185 pounds you're dropping 15 pounds of water to get to 170 but we both know that when you get into that octagon you're going to be 185 pounds so let's just cut the shit and have you never drop down to 170

and just say you're 185 pound fighter which is what they i mean you stand next to guys like kamaru usman you're like how are you 170 that doesn't make any sense or yoel who's the craziest version yoel is so big he's so big his fucking neck starts at the top of his head. And his shoulders, they meet the traps in the middle. It's like, doge, doge, doge. He's just this mammoth of a man. And the idea that that guy is 185 pounds is bananas. Tim Tebow, those kinds of guys. And these guys are still muscular the entire time.

I don't know how Gleason did it all those years. Gleason was walking around well over 190 and getting down to 155. Not even, man. Like, I'd see T-Bow in the gym, and I was like, T-Bow, what are you wearing right now? He's like, oh, my friend, 190, 195. He's like, get on the scale. No, no, no. Like, he's not doing that, you know?

He's easy like 205, 210. Really? 205, 210, you would get down to 155. So big. How did he do it? I don't know. Sheer force of will? Yeah.

So I've seen him at weight cuts just like laid out. We fought on a couple cards together also, you know? And he's just like laid out and he has to be carried out of the room, you know? Of course, you have to walk up to the scale on your own. That's so insane that you let a guy do that and then they fight a day later. Yeah, the next day. But you wouldn't let somebody recover from the flu. Say, oh, I feel better.

The temperature's down. You wouldn't let them fight the next day. They'd probably be healthier. Yeah, much healthier. I don't know. It's the dumbest thing in all of combat sports in terms of weight cut

yeah it could be avoided so you think the one there's no I can't I'm because I haven't been

in the position I don't know how you work the system right with the 1FC system I would like to talk to Chotri

Chotri Chotri is the one who set it all up i mean it's his organization and he i think he's the leader in terms of the safety and and also fairness because i think that what weight cutting is i mean look everybody's doing it so it's not like everybody is ethically compromised but i think it's cheating. I think it's legal cheating. That's what I think it is. If you're pretending you weigh 125 pounds like Mighty Mouse does, he doesn't really weigh 125.

He weighs like 140, 140-something. That's what he really weighs. And the thing is, when he's fighting over in 1FC, those are the guys he's actually fighting. He's fighting guys his size. So the guys that really did a great job of cutting weight, they do have a significant advantage once they get into that octagon. But I don't think that's a fair advantage.

There's some guys that do it really well, too. Yeah. Really well. Some guys are excellent at it. Yeah. Some guys. Yoel, he's excellent. Even though he's missed a couple of times.

Those guys, they just, the advantage is so spectacular. How does James Vick make 155? That's a good point. He's a tall fella. Yeah. Yeah. There's a lot of those guys. How about Paul Felder?

Paul Felder's a fucking gorilla. How does he get down to 155? He's so thick. Yeah. Yeah. He's broad, man. I remember when Dustin was making 145. Mm-hmm.

Crazy. He looks like he's having a hard time making 55 now. But look, man, the difference between him at 45 and 55 is pretty significant. So with Dustin, like, I'm kind of biased because he's one of my best friends, right? Sure, of course. But you see how Max dominated a lot of guys at 45. And then, you know know you talk about max is like now he now he's the greatest now he's the greatest at 145 he may he may be the goat he may

be greater than jose aldo like that's an argument people can make well he beat him twice right although he beat him later in his career right jose's not 50 years old he was in his early 30s yeah and he was still he was still the number one guy he was still dominating everybody else yeah right or at least beating everybody else um but like the way max beat those guys beat ortega beat jose twice um and then dustin's having these tough fights he's he's fighting these same guys he's fighting gaethje he's fighting eddie um he's he's winning them um he's convincingly winning them but um when he fights max like max the the fight is dustin's fight is the same fight that he had with gaethje he's the same as far as competitiveness right max was still in there but dustin wins these but like i just i this is where my bias

kicks in i'm like give that man some credit man man. I mean, I know everybody loves Dustin. I mean, not everybody, but people love Dustin. They appreciate the way he fights. They appreciate his style. But I'm like, man, he's taken out champions. He's taken out champions. Gaethje was a champion. He was in World Series, but he was a champion.

He took out Eddie, champion. Max, champion. He's like all these guys he's beaten. Sergio Pettis, I mean Anthony Pettis, champion. He's just champion after champion. He's like all these guys he's beaten. Sergio Pettis. I mean, Anthony Pettis, champion. You know, he's just champion after champion. He also rises to the occasion. He fought better against Max than any other fight he ever fought in his career. That's the thing about him, though.

Like, he just, he's like the cream, you know. He rises. That's why his nickname is the diamond, you know. What do you think happens when he fights Khabib? Yeah, that's the one. That's why his nickname is The Diamond. What do you think happens when he fights Khabib? Yeah, that's the one. That's the fight. That's the fight. I mean, Khabib is the guy.

Khabib is definitely the guy. I was talking to him about it. I started a new podcast. What's it called? SupFam. SupFam? SupFam. SupFam with Eve Edwards. Yeah. I know. i um what's it called sup fam sup fam sup fam with eve edwards yeah i know i just just released it today it's on on um on my youtube it just started today yeah well just released the first

episode oh all right um and dustin's my first guest oh perfect so i was out there with him last week we're just hanging out we talked about some of that but like what do i think happens this is a tough fight. It's the toughest fight everybody's going to get. I absolutely understand and agree that Khabib should be going in as the favorite. I want, of course, I want Dustin to win this fight. The every round starts on defeat. Dustin's got to make smart moves every single time

because when Khabib takes him down, it's virtually impossible to get back to your feet, right? And that's where Khabib is going to want this fight to happen. Dustin's going to have his opportunities, but is he going to be able to stop that wrestling consistently enough to make this fight happen where it's best for him and that's the hardest thing he's got a good training camp he's got really good people there with him he's got mike brown there you know who i want to get with him gregor gillespie i want

gregor gillespie to to to get with dustin and just get on top of him for the next two months just feel that high level wrestling yeah smashing pressure just that pressure pressure pressure and get comfortable working out of it working under there protecting yourself doing that would he be interested i mean he might fight him down the road though it's possible yeah right um but like tyron and robbie trained together a long time ago oh that's true yeah i mean that's how you get better. Yeah. It's one of those things where it's like sometimes you've got to trade with a potential rival, not an enemy, but iron sharpens iron. Yep. And sometimes you have to go with somebody that's a possible matchup in the future. Especially if you're going to fight a guy who has that same

style and i think you nailed it too because gregor gillespie is probably when you get past khabib the scariest wrestler in the division yeah i mean he's a guy that gets on top of people and just smashes him and he's relentless with his with his wrestling also he's a guy who's not going to get tired he's going to put that pressure on he's going to come forward and once he's a guy who's not going to get tired. He's going to put that pressure on you. He's going to come forward. And once he gets a hold of you, if you don't use perfect technique to escape and get that distance back, he's just going to chain wrestle and chain wrestle. There's no stopping until you're down. Until he scores his two, the takedown is still happening. Yeah. He's got some fucking relentless strength and conditioning sessions, too, that he puts on his Instagram.

You watch it and you go, oh, this is why this guy doesn't get tired. Fuck. That guy doesn't get tired because he's obsessed. Yeah. Like, he runs like five-minute miles. Does he really? Like, he'll run like six of them. Jesus Christ.

Straight. Like, he'll run eight miles and he'll keep the ball under six minutes. So, he'll run six miles and a half an hour? Yeah. Fuck. He can do that. Fuck, man. Like, he's crazy.

Wow, that's crazy. He's crazy obsessed. That's high-level marathon pace, right? Yeah. Like, people don't know some of the things about these guys. Like, there was a point where training with these guys, I was just like, all right, man, I'm too old to be doing that. Like, I can't. I just can't keep up with that.

You know what I mean? Yeah. And that was one of them, man. Gregor, like, we were on this Nike running app together. And, like, I had to delete him off my thing because I was getting, like, discouraged. Like, I'm not trying to beat that. You know? That's hilarious. Like, for real. You should go fishing with him. because I was getting discouraged. I'm not trying to beat that.

That's hilarious. For real. You should go fishing with him. I want to go fishing with that dude. I want to take him fishing in the Bahamas. Oh, that's a good spot, right? Yeah. And line fishing.

Not with a rod. We fish a lot of line fishing. Okay, just with your hands? Yeah. That's wild when you feel the fish on the line. Oh, and you're just fighting and pulling oh i love that it's fun i mean there there's some fish like i'm not pulling up a grouper like that now why do you why do you prefer line fishing with your hands just because it's the old school way just just because it's the way i grew up right you know um like when we when we came like my cousin i told you about who's who you know free dives

like he'll spear fish. So I remember once I was a little kid and he was out with his dad. He was spear fishing and he missed the fish and he smacked the turtle. Oh, I thought you were going to say his hand. No, no. His spear hit a turtle. Turtle took off with his spear.

Oh, no. Stuck in him? Yeah. I mean, it's potentially some turtle out there in the ocean right now the spear stuck in him this is like 30 years ago those things live forever they do live forever i wonder if it survived it calcified over the the spear point yeah i've never been spearfishing but it looks like a hell of a lot of fun i have i've never spearfished like inside i've you know I play with them on land.

And, of course, it's with the rubber, kind of like a slingshot. The bungee cord. Yeah, the bungee cord. So that one was cool. But, of course, they have the guns. I would like to use a spear gun. But I don't know. You kind of have to earn that right, I feel.

Yeah? I got to go free diving diving with curly and do some of that what's the longest you think you can hold your breath underwater um so we used to have this thing as a kid where i was where we say we try to blow the pool and um i i can i can swim an olympic level well i have swam an olympic length pool staying underwater right but how long does it take that probably took me like no that probably took me like 40 45 seconds and then also you're swimming yeah you're exerting so yeah but uh but like he like i'm telling you he goes down and he's under the water for easily three minutes you know who's supposed to be insane at that is egan egan anyway i heard about that i heard about six minutes seven minutes yeah i it's like i don't know maybe it's from sucking up a choke you know i think it's just practice i think you just practice free diving

and hawaiians they do that crazy workout there was a member one of the countdown shows and bj was supposed to be fighting george saint pierre they had him doing his strength and conditioning in the water where he would dive underwater and pick up a rock and move it and drop it and swim to the surface and dive down again and pick up the rock, a big-ass rock, and move it. And that was part of his strength and conditioning. So, like, I was good with my cardio. There were times when I gassed. But, like, when punches are coming at you, a lot of people blink. A lot of people do that.

So that was my thing. I keep my eyes open a long time. You know what I mean? So that whole stair cam thing, that kind of comes from that. I just keep my eyes open, not blinking. Those guys who do those underwater things, how do you think that relates to,

like I understand you can hold your breath long, but how do you think that relates to cardio? Because your muscle's not working except to hold. the rock well the idea is the doing the rock thing like moving and carrying the rock while you're underwater i don't know man i don't know enough about it but i know i had lair and hamilton on recently you know he's a big time surfer and uh one of the things that he's doing now with he has this whole program where they're doing weights in the water so they're they're doing weights in the water so they're they're doing like heavy dumbbells and they'll bring them to the bottom of the water

and you have to take the dumbbell swim with it to the top catch a breath of air and then you go back down again and there's there's also doing some where they're taking like a you know like a 70 pound dumbbell you hold it to your chest and you're swimming through the water while you're trying to carry this dumbbell and you know extremely difficult to do the thing is how much is that applicable to fighting that's what i don't know because i remember when i was like real heavily into jiu-jitsu at one point in time i didn't do any striking for like like a whole year i didn't even hit pads But I was in really good jiu-jitsu shape I was rolling a lot

And then I went to hit pads I was like god damn it Why am I gassing out so quick? This is crazy It's a different shape right? Yeah it's a different shape I don't I always

I'm always concerned about that Or curious about that anyway Because Because of all those different aspects of it You know There are times when when you when you're grabbing onto something holding onto something and you and then you get back to your feet and all that lactic acid yeah your arms and your arms are slow but like you still feel your conditioning feels good but you just feel heavy yeah but um there's those times

also when you're you're grappling and then you get back to your feet and then it's like your arms don't feel tired but it's like it feels it's a i don't know i don't is it because you're grappling, and then you get back to your feet. And then it's like your arms don't feel tired, but it's like it feels – I don't know. Is it because you're holding your breath? And maybe that's what going on the water is for? I don't know. You know, the people that trained BJ in the prime of his career was Marv Berinovich. Do you remember that? Yeah, I remember that name.

They had these ridiculous plyometric drills they had him doing. And their attitude – and Nick Curzon is one of their protégés, and he still sort of has the same philosophy. Their attitude is that you already know how to fight. Like you're already a skillful fighter. When you get to the UFC, if you have eight weeks to get ready for a fight or 12 weeks to get ready for a fight fight the most important thing is your gas tank and that you should concentrate on these fucking preposterous plyometric drills and strength and conditioning drills and just get your body so you have the biggest fucking gas tank possible and then

all your skills you just drill like that shouldn't have any any effect like cardio wise like if you're doing drills as far as like striking grappling combination drills or whatever you're doing like those things should almost be secondary to your strength and conditioning yeah that's their attitude i i kind of agree with that i mean there's a point where yeah you can always improve technique wise but are you going to do that in an eight-week camp? Right. No, like you do that in your downtime. You do that when you're not in camp. When camp comes, it's all about being ready to fight for as long as you need to, as hard as you can.

And I think their attitude also is that this way you're doing way less sparring, way less opportunity to get hurt. to get hurt and mostly it's these crazy plyo drills box jumps and all this crazy shit medicine ball stuff all this all this stuff where you just explode explode explode explode explode everything is just go go go go go so that your body's just used to that so that when you get into a fight your body has this insane gas tank and they might i mean there's something to it because those were bj's best days the sean Chirk fight, the Diego Sanchez fight. That was prime BJ Penn when he was the motherfucker of motherfuckers. That was what was up. I mean, he was training with the Marinovichs.

Did you see that video of him beating up the bouncer recently? Sad. That's sad. He's obviously having a real tough time, man. I just saw the video. I don't know how it happened. I don't know what's... Yeah, he's just inside a real tough time man i didn't i just saw the video i don't know how it happened i don't know what yeah he's just inside control with flip-flops on yeah yeah but um here's my thing i don't know the situation that led to it i only saw that he's on top of the guy and i'm like and i'm like this is in hawaii like who picks a fight with bj penn in hawaii

or who even like steps to bj penn in Hawaii? I mean, I understand. I don't know the situation. If it's like, BJ, you got to leave and he's not listening, you try to get BJ's friends to come. Talk to your guy, man. Get him out of here. But you don't go toe-to-toe with BJ Penn, right? Seems stupid.

It's just a bad choice. I don't get it. Hey, did Max Holloway, is he the one who started the bottle cap challenge? Do we know that for a fact? He's the first one I saw. I'm so tired of seeing people kick bottle caps off. I was going to say, there's something different about his is that the cap stayed on the bottle.

Everyone else was just kicking the cap off. He kept it on and it kept spinning. I think that was just coincidental. I know, but that might be to the bottle of Tito's, I think, that he used. But that's a little more impressive than some of the other people just knocking it off. Slightly, slightly, but it's not that big of than some of the other people just knocking it off. Slightly, but it's not that big of a deal. There's a reason why so many people are doing it.

It's not that hard. It's just not that hard. You throw a wheel kick like this. You just get someone to hold it, get someone to hold it tight, and the wheel kick goes like this. And you have the bottle cap barely on, so the bottle cap is like this, and you just make sure you throw a wheel kick like that. But you don't knock it off. Everyone else knocked it off, he kept it on

Well I think people using water bottle caps Which have a shallow set of grooves Whereas the bottle that he used has a deeper groove Would it be more impressive if they showed the whole bottle And there's not someone holding it And you only grazed it I guess To me, I've never even thought once about doing it

I know how to throw a wheel? I guess. To me, I've never even thought once about doing it. I know how to throw a wheel kick. I'm not going to do it. It seems silly to me. Like with Jason Statham's doing it. When John Mayer did it, the fucking shark was jumped. But that's what Max challenged, wasn't it? That assassin.

I think Max called him out on it. He did? Yeah. He called out John Mayer? Yeah. Why? It's like, why does Justin Bieber want to fight Tom Cruise? There's so many questions.

I would watch it. I would watch it. I would watch it. I think Tom Cruise will fuck him up with all those crazy voodoo superpowers that he has. That from Scientology. And the aliens. And belief in himself. Man, the fights last weekend. Yeah.

Right? I just so I didn't want to watch them I was in Texas and I called there's this ice cream and they were in Austin I was like

they never have it and they had it one time I drove from Houston to Austin to get some ice cream really yeah you drove from Houston to Austin that's like three hours

yeah you drove three hours for ice cream I did oh my god you're embracing the fatness It was worth it Get ready for people to see you in the later stage James Tony

Yup, I don't want to be James Tony. I want to still be able to take off my shirt But man, I had to go get it. Oh, wow. But I did watch the fight. And I watched the main card. Francis is fucking terrifying. Right? He's fucking terrifying. Like when JDS missed.

Yeah. You can't make mistakes against him because you take one and that could be it. Well, I felt like JDS was doing pretty good in the beginning with the leg kicks. That's what you need to do with Francis. You need to just keep moving and kick those legs. It would be interesting to see if, well, I mean, obviously Alistair was the most elite striker. He's the most decorated striker in the whole division. And one of the most decorated strikers ever. And Francis still nuked him.

He just nukes guys. All he has to do is hit you man crazy you saw um um i can't say his last name champion dollar his nickname he fought on the undercard i think he was cameroonian also i didn't see the undercard the only thing i saw was the francis fight this guy looks like if you take tyron woodley and made him bigger stronger faster what what's his name dala lu lu i can't i don't know his last name i can't pronounce it but um is he a new uh acquiring i think this was his debut oh and he looked, honestly, I would like to see him in Alonzo Manifiel at some point. They both look, they're both like, it would be like watching two G.I. Joe figures.

You know? Just like getting in there and going to town. Do you know that heavyweight that fights in one FC? They call him the Panther. He just did the bottle cap challenge too. He did like a hook kick and then a wheel kick with a different leg no he uh he's this dude who is another one of those preposterous looking fellas that just unbelievably jacked and a heavyweight what do you okay here it is we're gonna see the this is the the highlight oh yeah oh my god he's fast yeah i see what you're saying and he's just so big

and powerful but it's light heavyweight white heavyweight light oh yeah oh that's well that's interesting because this fucking weight class needs some new blood that's for sure i mean yep that's a wrap quick damn i'm like i'm'm like, man, you want to come make a million dollars? How many contracts, I mean, these contracts, how many fights do they put them under? Just for the year. So to get to the million, it's five fights. And if you win, do you have to stay in the PFL for a certain amount of time? You do not have to stay.

You do not have to. When do you have to stay in the PFL for a certain amount of time? You do not have to stay. You do not have to. I don't actually, when it comes to that, I don't know the details on champions, but I know that the semifinalists have returned. So I haven't read everyone's contract or anyone's contract really, but thinking that the semifinalists returned, I don't know if there's a right to first refusal in the contract for the season,

but that's a good question. I need to know if there's a right to first refusal in the contract for the season. But that's a good question. I need to know that. Do you like the whole point scoring format thing? Do you think it's a good added element? I like it. I like it. And not necessarily because it changes how people fight. Fighting in this organization, though, I believe you're a little more loose.

You know what I mean? You show up and you know you have to win. You try to win and you try to win. You don't just try to get the W. There's a lot of fights sometimes when it's like you're on the bubble and it's like you're fighting very cautious. I feel like with this rule set, you get to just be yourself out there. You always want to win win so you're always

going to fight to win but you don't necessarily change your style to to play again play the rules you know you're just you're just going to fight the way you fight hmm the only thing that concerns me is that it's a little complicated like the paying attention to all for the fans yeah the points and all that so i i understand why you say that, but if you're watching the broadcast, you got me, Sean, Randy behind the desk, and we're trying to keep people updated with the points and how that works. And it's really not that hard. Who's Sean?

Sean O'Connell. Oh, so he's doing commentary now. So he's doing commentary now. He was a radio guy, right? Yeah, he was a radio guy on Sirius. Like a sports radio guy. I think he still has that program. Yeah.

Good for him. Yeah. That's amazing. And now he's a millionaire. He's a millionaire and he's diversified his portfolio. And he retired. He retired from fighting. And now he's in the booth with Randy and I.

That's amazing. And I think he's a pretty good play-by-play guy. Especially as a former fighter. Not a lot of play-by-play guy, especially as a former fighter. Not a lot of play-by-play guys are former fighters. Yeah, that's right. It's usually color. And he fought well in the UFC, too. He's a tough guy.

Yeah, I mean, and it's weird. I always make fun of him. I always tell him, like, you fight like Homer Simpson, but your fight IQ is higher. Why do you say he fights like Homer Simpson? Because he takes so many shots man he just like stands in front of you and just trades punches but like like he he had to use his brain to be vinny you know what i mean yeah um this vinny takes you down gets on top he's gonna he's gonna grind and grind himself to submission yeah but um with sean he was he was you know he backed away from from the

because all of his other fights all season were the Homer Simpson fights. You know, like he got hit sometimes, but he just came back and bombed on you and knocked everybody out. He lost every first round that he fought. One of them, he lost the entire fight. But every other fight that he fought, he lost the first round and then came back and just bombed on guys. Even with Vinny, he lost the first round you know but um but as far as the points go with that you have us communicating how the points work and it i remember being in your position before the season started thinking oh the points thing is it's going to be weird it's

going to throw people off but legit you see that play out one time it's like oh it's simple it makes sense you know you start watching guys like so this next round of fights coming up on the 11th and on the 25th then august 8th we have the different weight two weight classes per show right and um so we start with the women's lightweights and the welterweights then we have the featherweights and the men's lightweights and then we have the light heavyweights and the heavies so on those dates but when um when you think about the points right you understand that these guys are on the bubble. You're watching it like the NFL playoffs when the last two weeks of the playoffs is like, this guy needs to beat this guy, but this guy has to finish before this time.

If he can get this win in the second round in less than two and a half minutes, then he's in the playoffs. But if it goes past two and a half minutes then he's in the playoffs but if it goes past two and a half he's out you know so you but like we're we're communicating that through each fight especially in the this second round of the regular season but um you're watching that because these guys know that also you know so so some some of that like it's weird because in a fight you're not thinking about anything else but the guy in front of you but you go in there with that mentality that's already on the board you don't have there's a pin in a fight, you're not thinking about anything else but the guy in front of you. But you go in there with that mentality, that's already on the board. There's a pin in that. You don't have to think about it consciously, but it's in your subconscious at some point.

And you play to that. But even if you get out of that, if you get beyond that, then there's the pride thing. And this is a format that didn't exist with the PFL. Or with the World Series. World Series of Fighting, rather. No. This is a new format. This is a new format. So that's why they changed the PFL? Or with the World Series? World Series of Fighting, rather. No. This is a new format. This is a new format.

So that's why they changed the name. They changed the name. They changed the name just before they introduced this format. But I believe that the name was changed going into this format. I think they had one event as the Professional Fighters League

without this seasonal format. Oh, no, man. I might be too old school. You might be too old school, but if you say that, you gotta try it. You're a fight fan. And I promise you, as a fight fan, you're gonna appreciate it.

Okay, tell me what card to watch. What's a good upcoming card? The next card is a real one, because besides the women, you got Kayla Harrison, judo two-time Olympian. She's a beast. She's, right? She's a beast.'s right she's a beast she's a beast but she she needs to get a finish to guarantee yourself a playoff spot because she fought her last fight

she fought her toughest opponent who took her to a decision she she won the fight convincingly but she couldn't get herself a stoppage you know sarah kaufman is um sarah kaufman is sitting at the top of the women's rankings with with a finish um there's some some some really good women out there too there's two kickboxers they fought each other last time bobby joe dl and jenna fabian they're both built like european kickboxers they're tall lanky long women and they're legit good kickboxers they went to toe they went toe to toe with each other um they're fighting in this week they're not fighting each other but they're fighting they jenna fabian needs a w to get into the playoffs so those fights are good and then of course we have the welterweights we're talking about magomed magomed karamov and and and um chris

curtis i don't know if you know chris curtis he was on he was on um he was i think he was an lfa champion or rfa champion and he was on he was on the contenders he won his fight in contenders i don't know why he didn't get a contract but um he's really really good he's one of those guys he's been training with with um henderson and those guys for a long time now he's in vegas with um with extreme couture there and then the john howard ray cooper fight that's like as a fight fan you i know you appreciate that does an excellent fight so when is that that is on july 11th okay next thursday and on espn 2 okay and plus beautiful yeah i'm around i'm gonna watch that fight i'm good i'm legit gonna when we sit down for the broadcast i'm texting you okay you got it like if you don't respond if I'm going to put you on blast on television.

I'll text you back. I promise. This guy does it. Like on ESPN Plus, we're on ESPN Plus, and Joe Rogan is nowhere to be found. I can't have that happen. I'll be paying attention. All right. So all the fights are going to be on ESPN Plus? All the fights.

Because sometimes when ESPN 2 fights, you can't get them on ESPN Plus Unless you have it set up Okay, so a lot of times So we bounce between ESPN Plus and 2 I don't know the format for the first fight I can't remember which section of the card is on ESPN2 And then on Plus Oh, there it is There we go

So we're on Plus at 5.30 to 8.30 East Coast time And then on 2 from 8.30 to 10.30 The great thing about ESPN Including with the UFC, is that so many sports fans just have ESPN on automatically. Absolutely. Like I was at a pool hall on Saturday night.

I did a show in Baltimore, and then we went to a pool hall. We got there right when Junior was entering into the octagon. It was perfect. It was perfect timing. And I was like, don't blink, because this fucking probably ain't gonna make it out of the first round yeah that was that was a fight i was telling my grandmother about that fight like i'm not i'm not bullshitting you she was up it's interesting like francis wants

another shot at the title and you know it's it's uh i mean i don't know why they wouldn't give him another shot at the title in my opinion it's like what you got now is Stipe versus DC. That irons out who's the champ, right? And thank God they made that fight instead of the Brock Lesnar fight. I mean, I think the Brock Lesnar fight would have been fun, and I love DC. I want him to get paid. I think he sends Brock Lesnar into another dimension.

That's what I think happens in that fight. And I think he gets a big payday, and that's all great. But the reality is the real fight stipe stipe is the most successful ufc heavyweight champion of all time the only guy to ever defend the title four times and the only guy to survive the fucking hurricane that is francis and gano yeah the only guy yeah he figured it out he figured it out just weather the storm you know just roll with the punches kick the legs jab move usually wrestling wrestle i mean but he had to stop he had to avoid the punches at first yeah and he's got you know that was an interesting thing too i was thinking the fight with stipe

with francis how much did that take out of stipe because even though he won that fight when dc knocked him out with one punch, you're like, wow, that's crazy. You don't see Stipe getting knocked out like that. I wonder if he was still suffering from the Ngannou fight, which was only a few months before that. I don't know if he was still suffering from that versus... It's a perfect punch, too.

That's the thing. And DC talked about it. He talked about, we saw this being an option in this fight this being an opportunity to get this to land this shot this and um he did it you know that that's the thing um if francis anybody probably anybody with any power of course if francis lands that shots nights out lights out also yeah but um he didn't see it or he didn't he didn't have the skill set to provide that opportunity right you know so i think i think that's yeah that that might be more telling

than such a perfect punch too man you know he he gets rid of the arm on the left side then boom the right hand comes over you got like that that kind of thing that makes me appreciate like the fight iq of a guy like cormier you know know what I mean? Because, again, Ngannou, bigger puncher, but he just doesn't have the skill set that DC has. And seeing that, you remember him talking about that in the post-fight. Yeah. That was something they saw. And to know that that's there and find that opportunity

to make that opportunity happen, that that's um that's high level stuff man high level stuff that's what the best guys do i'm i heard that dc looks fantastic in camp i already look so good but i'm really interested to see what a motivated hungry you know out for revenge stipe can do and like he he knows to take that away yeah Yeah. You know what I mean? His D.C., he kind of got into it. He explained exactly what they saw and how they figured to use that against him. So, like, Stipe is also, like you said, he's the most decorated heavyweight champion. He's the most successful. That success didn't come from, like, not only his skill set but also his mentality.

So he has to go back into the gym, break that down, take that out of his game, make that not a thing. And also now he knows that the title is everything. You lose the title, people don't even talk about you. They stop talking about him. I felt obliged. I felt like I had an obligation to talk about Stipe. I'm like, no one's talking about him.

How are you not talking about the most successful heavyweight champion of all time yeah the guy who who i understand him having to have one fight before he didn't rematch or he could he could have legitimately just got the rematch because of the of his resume as champion you know um i don't know i i i don't like that part of fighting where you're only as good as your last fight. Yeah. No, I don't like it either. I don't. I just feel like I get the business aspect of it.

I get that. But I feel like a fighter like that, you got to give him a rematch. You have to. He deserves it. He's a champion. Like a legit champion. The guy says he wants a rematch set it up so a quick question where that's concerned when you say that right um Woodley like of course

like you had GSP you had Matt Hughes they had long title runs also but um the fight with Kamaru Kamaru was so dominant in that fight like what does Woodley need to do to get a rematch? That's an interesting question because it's a different thing, right? Yep. I guess it's a different thing, but is it really? I mean, is it really different to dominate a guy than to hit him with one punch? I mean, it kind of is, but it's also you're dealing with a guy who is like a longtime champion who dominated the division, a guy who, you know, just darren till's title shot hopes up into

smithereens you know that was that was the big one right yeah the darren till one because that one was confusing to me i'm like how were the how is he the betting favorite i don't understand it i get he beat cowboy and i get he dropped wonder boy but this – Tyron Woodley is a guy who's battle-tested, man. He's been in there with everybody. I felt that was one of the weirder believing the hype things in terms of, like, the bookmakers. Yeah, and it worked out well for hardcore fans that knew. But, yeah, Kamaru was so dominant. And then you got Colby Covington who still has the claim to the interim.

They took it away from him. They stripped him. But he's fighting Robbie. Yeah. So that's a fight I'm interested in because we all used to train together. When Robbie was getting ready for Johnny Hendricks, rememberby's a wrestler Yeah And he's a southpaw Right You know

It was years ago And Colby's grown a lot since then But I mean Those guys spent a lot of time On the mat together A couple years ago You know

How do those training sessions go? I can't tell you that Yes you can You don't even work for the organization anymore Yeah but But like One of them's acquaintance Another's a good friend.

Blink twice if Robbie fucked him up. A stair cap. You know what I like about it? Robbie looked physically fantastic in his last fight. And I know he lost to Ben Askren. It was a crazy, controversial situation. I don't know, man.

I went over it with Herb Dean. We watched the fight again when Herb was in here. I kind of believe him. The way his arm just dropped like that, I'm like, that seems like he was out. I believe that Herb felt he was out. I don't think Robbie was out. I think he was out for a second. You think so?

Yeah, I think he was out for a second. And I think when Herb came over, then Ben let the choke up. I'm going to watch that again in slow motion, but you don't come back from a choke instantly. Well, you do if he was letting the choke up while you were fighting. So if Herb's coming over, and he thinks Robbie's out, and he starts to let up, and then the blood rushes to the brain, and then Herb stops the fight, and he lets it go, and then he's up like nothing happened. Depends on how long you've been out if you're out for only a second it depends it depends on how tight the choke is is the blood kind of getting in there and then not getting in there i'm gonna leave it alone because now we're getting into conjecture i can't you know like we're just

guessing now yeah it was disappointing but also if he just put him to sleep, that would have been definitive. But it was just so confusing. We thought he was out, and then he wasn't out, and we were like, what? And then most people thought they had a running back, most people. Yeah, I thought so too. I'm surprised they're not. But I'm down for him and Masvidal.

Yes. I like that fight. Yes, I like that fight a lot because Masvidal can wrestle. Masvidal can wrestle, and he's super crafty, and he's mean as fuck. He's a mean man, you know? I'm not going to lie, man. I'm going to tell you, of all the people I've trained with, I think overall when you put the entirety of mixed martial arts together,

Masvidal might be the best real like he like his boxing is some of the best in the sport of mixed martial arts he he's not a kickboxer but he's confident and comfortable with all the kicks wrestling his wrestling is way beyond a guy who never wrestled like you know it's? It's like, he's like division one level, you know, at the very least. And then his jiu-jitsu, people sleep on his jiu-jitsu, man. Masvidal is legit on the ground. The first day I went into American Topton,

we had fought each other before, and I figured, nah, this guy's horrible on the ground, we just go. But like, I was like, I was surprised, and this was like 12 years ago, 10, 12 years ago, you know? And he's day in, day out.

He's a worker. Like he's constantly working on his craft. He's constantly working to get better. Ben Askren, you know he's got the ground. You know he's got the wrestling. But Masvidal's defensive wrestling, is Askren going to be able to, you know, maul him like he's done to everybody else? And he's got to close that distance.

He's got to close that distance. I mean, on the feet, Masvidal has a giant advantage just giant good footwork yeah great hands but askren has this crazy way of getting a hold of people even robbie even after robbie was blasting his brains into another dimension he still got up and was grabbing robbie it's like he has this ability to grab people and hold on to people like if you watch the douglas lima fight or the koroshkov fight in in bellatoria like jesus christ like he he ragdolls people it's weird and he holds yeah he's hard to get away from he's very hard to get away from i remember when i first met ben he um i watched he went to this tournament

he used to do tournaments and in college just to get more pins so he could have like the pin record so he got the pin record for um for missouri for the university of missouri um he used to but he would also with other high level wrestlers he would just like let people take him down or let people in on his legs so that he can get into these scrambles with that funk stuff that he does. Yeah. I really asked Dean Thomas one time. He's wrestling on that same trip. He's wrestling with Dean.

And then he just stops everything. He's like, do you know how to sprawl? Like Dean didn't even know what a sprawl was because his wrestling is so good. He was touching us and we were falling over. You know what I mean? Wow. His wrestling is that good. Well, that makes it even more impressive what Jordan Burroughs did to him.

When Jordan Burroughs and him had that wrestling match, there's levels. And he said it afterwards. He put it on Instagram. There's levels to this. And there is because he just ran him over. Right through him. Power doubles and everything. Isn't it crazy just when you think about that a guy who's

the elite of the elite in wrestling is so much better than the elite of the elite of in wrestling in mma yeah this is so much better but would he have still been able to do that the same way if ben was only wrestling that's a big question it It's hard to say because Jordan's so good. Yeah. He's so dominant. It's hard to say. Are you talking about what? Two-time Olympic champion?

Yeah. And he's unbelievably explosive too. You ever seen his workouts? Yeah. All plyos, drills, explosive drills. And he's just all about closing that distance with just ferocious energy. Boom! That dude crosses that distance like it's not even there.

God damn, he's good. Like he teleports. I was hoping he was going to get into MMA, but it doesn't seem like he wants to. No, honestly, when he was still in school, so one of my buddies, Lynn Oding, he was reaching out. This is how I met Tyron. He was reaching out to Division I wrestlers for me to help me with my wrestling after the Joe Stevenson fight because I was like, I can't wrestle. And Jordan Burroughs was one of the guys he reached out to, and he was just not interested in MMA at that point. He was like, I'm going to the Olympics.

I'm going to wrestle. He had no interest. I don't know where that stands now because the sport is bigger. There's more money in it. But he's still having so much success wrestling right and who knows how much time if any he's put into striking yeah but like that iq of his as far as wrestling that athleticism you know he's a hard worker oh yeah it will apply if he dedicates himself to it but if he hasn't at all he's so far behind the eight ball like if he jumps in now

with zero striking you know like how long would it take before he gets to a comfortable level of striking where he can hang in there you know like remember kamaru kamaru when he first started fighting was really just a wrestler yeah but then you really saw in the tyrant fight when he almost stopped tyrant on the feet he's his striking is legit now his fight with maria marias yeah sergio marais that was where i started to recognize his striking is improving like and you could see it if you watch his fights from then you can see each time a vast improvement in his striking but what i like about that is his wrestling didn't really fade his wrestling still stayed sharp yeah and that's that's where i like i'm, how do you do that?

Because there's only so much hours in a day. What's also crazy with him is he can't run. His knees are so fucked up. I didn't know that. He doesn't even care. He doesn't mind talking about it. He's like, Joe, my knees were so fucked up. I'd have to walk on the grass because I couldn't walk on the concrete

because it hurt too much. How do you fight at that level? Like if you can't run. I don't walk on the grass because I couldn't walk on the concrete because it hurt too much. How do you fight at that level? Like if you can't run? I don't understand. Well, he just does like airdyne bike. But I mean, how do you even, how do they even work inside the octagon if you can't run on it? Tough. Just tough.

Unbelievable mental toughness. I mean, I think he gets in there, he just forces his body to do whatever he wants it to do. Did you ask him if he feels any pain when he's fighting? He's in pain the whole time. Wow. Yeah. Wow. You never see it.

Well, you know he had a broken foot in that fight. Yeah. That's the kind of, there's like a mindset that some people have. Yeah. The champion mindset. All that stuff means nothing. And he had hernias. And he had hernia surgery after the fight.

I mean, what the fuck man that's yeah that's that's some different that's some different shit man jordan burrow says there's levels there's levels to the mental game too it's like some guys can just push through everything and some guys will find a reason why they have to get out yeah you know yeah there's there's that being in that moment and um like now now means everything you know there is no tomorrow yeah you know it's like i like to i i i try to keep that mentality also and some of the things that i try to do now because like it was like i'm this kid from the bahamas you know there's no reason that somebody in japan should know my name but because of mixed martial arts because of my

dedication to the sport because i wanted to be something in that, that happened. So it's like you just have to have that mentality of if I'm on a boat, if I'm in the Bahamas, I'm on a boat and my boat sinks and I'm out in the middle, I'm 20 miles from land. Like if I don't get to land, it's not because I failed. I mean, it's not because I quit. It's because I failed. Right. You know? So like that mentality, that's how I look at guys like that. Guys who just have no quit in them. not because i failed i mean it's not because i quit it's because i failed right you know so like

that that mentality that's how i look at guys like that guys who just have no quitting them i feel like uriah's like favors like that yeah the mike brownford yeah perfect example broke both his hands and was still throwing elbows kicks trying to take him down doing anything he could two broken hands tony ferguson tony ferguson's an animal. An animal. Like that. He's the scariest guy at 155, in my word. I agree. In my world. Because he don't get tired.

That cowboy fight freaked me out. Cowboy looked like Tony had bricks in his gloves. Yeah. His face was all busted up. Tony didn't look like he had a scratch on him. And Tony wasn't even tired. Tony posted a meme, I feel like, a couple days ago. He showed his last seven opponents. Yeah, they're all fucked up like they they all fell off a train

yeah it's crazy man he has insane power man it it's like it's a weird thing because tony does stuff to people and doesn't he doesn't get tired he doesn't get like he's legit crazy yes like he does it like i don't know if he feels pain that kind of crazy you know what i mean like he will do things in there that i remember when we fought i'm south pole he's orthodox right he throws that inside kick and i'm turning my leg over to check it and um like it was never at my knee. He was throwing that at my shin. Like, if you're throwing that calf kick with that open stance, you're throwing it at the shin. Right. You know what I mean?

So, like, I checked it, and I was, like, I was about to check, and then we banked shin to shin, like, the middle of the shin to the middle of his shin. And I remember thinking to myself, why the fuck would you do that? Now we're both hurting. Like, I seriously hated that feeling. But, like, there was no reaction on his face it was nothing he was just like still on just on to the next thing and i feel like i'm glad i fought him then because like look at him now he's

like psychotic you know yeah look at that tony ferguson's last seven opponents jesus christ they're all bloody messes. Even like his, the things he posts, like you get an insight to how crazy his mind is. Did you see his post, his press conference after,

after surgery, after Anthony Pettis? No. Yeah, he was talking about how he was going to be a doctor. I think he said something like, he said, what did he say?

He said, he said, oh, he said, you know what they like he said what did he say he said um he said um oh he said you know what they call me because he's like yeah he's a gq guy he's talking about anthony he's like he's a gq guy but you know what they call me they call me the gq killer you know what that is it's an awesome nickname i would like to see what his conditioning workout is because Eddie goes with him up to Big Bear,

and he trains with him, and he says, you've never seen anything like it. He said, everybody else in the camp can't keep up with him. He works out. He goes, I've never seen anybody have this kind of dedication in a gas tank. He said he works out a legitimate six hours a day. He says he's running hills. They do these hill sprints, and he said he laps everybody. He goes all the way to legitimate six hours a day. He says he's running hills. They do these hill sprints.

And he said he laps everybody. He goes all the way to the top before they do, goes down, and then beats them on the way up. He said he just doesn't get tired. I don't understand. What is someone doing when their cardio is so much better than everybody else's? Because the cowboy fight, I'm telling you, man, I watched him From the moment They stopped the fight After the second round I'm watching him

And he goes back To his corner Cowboy's face Is a mess He's just beating The shit out of cowboy He goes back To his corner

His stomach Isn't even heaving Yeah He's not breathing heavy I'm not gonna lie to you As I don't wanna see this fight Because I like both those guys

But as a fight fan I wanna see this fight And that like both those guys but as a fight fan i want to see this fight and that's him and dustin oh him and dustin would be insane because like those are two guys who don't know how to quit well if dustin beats khabib that's the fight yeah and if dustin doesn't beat khabib tony and khabib's the fight yeah they'll fight eventually i'm sure yeah i mean that that is a crazy ass fight but the thing is like tony's pace is so disturbing it's so disturbing because i watch him fight guys and i'm like how do you keep up with that like nobody keeps up with it like you gotta crack him you gotta catch like anthony caught him but he broke his hand but pettis had him hurt and he andando had him hurt. Lando Venata cracked him and had him hurt. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, but like- He knows how to survive, though. Yeah, exactly. And also, it's weird because he doesn't survive like most people do. He doesn't tie you up and try to recollect his self. Like, he just still fights. Yeah.

And he like, instead like- Scrambles. You hurt him, he puts it on you. Yeah. He's like, okay, I need a break. Meaning I'm coming after you now. You're going to have to stop me from killing you so that I can breathe. That's how I take a break.

Yeah. I've just, I'm always stunned at his pace and his cardio. It's amazing. I really like, I just want to know, is this scientifically planned? Like, are they monitoring his heart rate? Or is this just psychotic? Like, is it scientific or is it psychotic? I think it's the latter. I think it might be.

Like, Tony Ferguson. If this was a scary movie, Tony Ferguson would be that guy. He's El Kukui. Yeah. He's the boogeyman. They need to make a movie. Like, somebody needs to do some kind of, like, I don't know, mashup of his fights that make him seem like the Jason. The guy that just never goes away.

And as soon as you turn around, he's ready to kill you. Well, you just think about Luke Thomas posted some tweet where the last time Tony Ferguson won, who was champion and what was going on in the world. It was like 2013 was the last time he lost. And he lost to Michael Johnson johnson yeah also beat dustin yeah yeah that was dustin's last loss as well that much more recent though yeah much more recent i was that was here in la was it the former was it yeah um but that fight also where dustin's concerned now like you we propped up tony so i gotta give dustin some props. Because that's the thing about mixed martial arts. First of all, there's not a lot of guys who have some successes, successes, and then they get stopped. Then successes, successes, and then they get stopped.

And successes, successes, and then they get stopped. And then since that, but every time he got stopped or every time he lost, he made adjustments, made improvements, and got better. Sure. And that was the last one. Every time he lost, he made adjustments, made improvements, and got better. Sure. And that was the last one. And then he had the debacle with Eddie with the disqualification. And the knock on him going into that was when he hurts somebody, he doesn't necessarily know how to finish.

He gets too aggressive. He goes crazy. That fight, then he gets gaachy, where it's like if you hurt him and you go crazy you're putting yourself at risk so that was the perfect fight to demonstrate that he learned the lesson and he did yeah you know so like i don't know where i don't know really what the knock on him is now i remember this is something that um i i didn't want to say this to him because he doesn't watch a lot of his opponents and their press stuff. But I remember a long time ago, DC had Khabib on the Fox desk, and he was talking to him. He was asking about opponents.

He was like, what do you think of this guy? What do you think of this guy? And he said, just give me one-word answers. And he said, Dustin Poirier. And he goes, easy fight. Whoa. And I'm like, yeah. I want to see this fight now.

I wonder if he thinks that after the Holloway fight, though. That was an eye-opener for a lot of folks. Yeah. But Holloway fought Dustin the way Holloway would, the way Dustin would look the best. He stood in front of him. Holloway doesn't have the same knockout power that Dustin has. Dustin has like real legit one punch power.

Max beats you up. He just beats you, puts a pace on you, beats your ass and takes you out. But also, I don't think Max has the same kind of power at 155. He just,

at 145, he's just so much bigger than everybody at 155 he's their size and dustin's a big 55er yeah i dustin is a big 55 i i don't i can't say i agree about the power only because dust yeah dustin's been knocked out but he does have a chin you know he can take a shot no but i'm not just saying he does i know i know you're not you're not max has never knocked anybody out with one shot he beats guys up and then takes them apart yeah no you're right you're right dustin's capable of flatlining you yeah he he can flatline people with one shot yeah you don't really see that that much with max max it's he just he's sharp

super sharp a super high fight iq and just makes you fight wars with him. But he was fighting a war with a guy who had higher caliber weapons. That's what it seemed like in that fight. And Dustin just fought real smart. Great boxing and capitalized on these openings and really stung Max in a way that we haven't seen before. And good footwork, too. If you remember, Max was using his footwork early in that fight,

but everywhere he went, Dustin was there too. And there are sometimes, it's maybe not even a conscious decision where it's like, well, it doesn't matter. Wherever I go, he's going to be there anyway, so then this is what we're doing. I'm not just going to keep running around now. So he might have made Max decide to stay in front of him like he did towards this was the second and third fourth the difference is with khabib obviously is the grappling that's

khabib's bread and butter he's so fucking terrifyingly good when he clinches you it's like you see these guys they have this look on their face like what is this this is a new experience this is a different kind of grappling and he immobilizes people yeah like he gets you in positions that like you literally you can't go left you can't go right you know he's got that wrist wrap on the back side and a half guard on the front side so you can't turn turn to your, but you also can't turn to your left. It's like, and he straps you down, man. He beats the shit out of you.

Like, that's what I hope Dustin works on right now, like just sealing off, not allowing Khabib to get those underhooks on the ground, not allowing Khabib to get around his body, and just get back to his feet if he gets taken down and i i mean you we saw some of the we know that khabib's not the greatest striker you know um we saw um ally quinta do some do some damage on the feet in i think the third or fourth round he definitely showed where khabib if he has vulnerability, it's going to be in the striking. But he didn't really hurt him.

Never hurt him once. The only person to ding him is Michael. Michael Johnson dinged him once. But he recovered from that quickly and beat the shit out of Michael, especially on the ground. I also think Dustin is more of a predator. I think Al Iaclint is good on his feet he's boxing solid he hits hard

but I think just Dustin's boxing IQ like if he hurts you especially now I think if he hurts you he's smarter about being able to finish and with the power

that he carries he's more selective with his weapons interesting so like that that's definitely a big option.

If he can show that he can hurt Khabib standing, then he has a very good shot of stopping him there. But what does that mean to stop Khabib? Like, you know what I mean? Is it possible? I think, but you know what? I think you have to. Because, like, how do you beat that wrestling over 25 minutes?

Right. How do you keep him from taking you down over and over and over again? Just getting back up is not good enough. Yeah. Because he's going to keep

taking you down. That's a real good point because he's been able to do that to every single person he's fought inside the Octagon. I mean, even when Conor stopped a little bit of it early on,

I mean, it's just, it was a matter of time. Yeah. That's, that's, that's that whole Gregor thing, man.

I want, like, I hope Gregor's watching this and he's like, man, I of time yeah that's that's that's that whole gregor thing man i want yep like i hope gregor's watching this and he's like man i should do that i should do that because eve's eve's calling me out is eve in um i mean um is dustin rather in florida yeah he just he just so i was in texas last week i went up to i drove down to um to new orleans to lafayette youngsville to um to talk to him to to record that podcast we trained some um he made me he's i i'm like i'm like two i'm like an hour away and he's like all right you're running practice i'm like i'm fat i don't know what to do i haven't trained like weeks but um he came in we did that and then um and then and then he was leaving for Florida that Friday. So he's been there for about a week now, almost a week now.

And the fight is, what's the date of the fight? The fight is September 7th, Abu Dhabi. You're not going to that. Nope. So if you do Fight Companion, I'd love to come in for that. If we do a Fight Companion can i'll have you in because dust because dust is my boy man i want to find out if i'm even i'm even in town i might be on the road you're going to be in ac very soon huh i was just there okay that's what you said this past weekend

okay oh yeah no i'm home if i if if i'm still home i'm as of right now i'm home. If I'm still home, as of right now, I'm home. But if I'm still home, we have a fight companion. You're in, fella. That'll be fun. I'm down to be there, especially if I don't go to Abu Dhabi. I would love to be there for that, but that's Abu Dhabi. It'll be interesting, too. You know him so well, you know, to get your insight on that.

He's the only guy rapping thug jitsu right now. That's right. I love where he's like, I'm telling Bruce to mark me down as a Thug Jitsu fighter. He came up under Tim Crater. That's right. Yeah. Crazy Tim. Crazy Tim, man.

I remember Tim from the John Jock Machado days, like way back in the day. I first saw Crazy Tim. I never got to train with him, but he came down in like 98? Yep. Somewhere around there like 98? Yep. Somewhere around there. 98-ish. He started, when Tim started training with me, I was coaching him. We went to some fights in Boston.

I'm sitting next to the commission, and Tim's fighting this guy, and he's working on a stand-up with me. And they're trading, and the guy takes him down. And when the guy takes Tim down, I look at the commissioner and i grabbed like all this stuff and i'm like well that's the end of that i started putting everything in the bucket and um and then they're like i don't know before i even got my head up like tim tapped him and the commissioner was like you call that one didn't you there's some shit that you just know yeah right especially at a certain level of fights there's some shit that you just know yeah that's one of the more interesting things about the high level fights and high level fighters is you don't know anymore no it's so like because now everybody everybody knows the same thing

unless you have that checkmate card like francis like no disrespect to junior but i did not think that that fight was going to get out of the first round i had a feeling it was going to go that way yeah and that's what i said to all my friends i said if i had to bet my money anything can happen it's a crazy sport but if i had to bet my money i'd bet the house on the big fella yeah because he just does shit to people yeah i know like i said with that guy man those those only takes one guys they're they're scary like um and junior style it wasn't necessarily the style to to avoid and counter that right you know what i mean yeah like that that for me like the jeremy stevens fight was like that jeremy

stevens is those one he's that that that one punch kind of thing and you just have to you have to make sure that they miss and just pick your shots and for me it was fortunate that like i had him i caught him running into something too right i'm not i do have one punch power but i don't pack power like dustin does you know um i'm i would say my power is more if we're talking about the best today yeah more about precision more closer to like maxes in the sense of like i i would pick you apart but like all the knockouts they came from like volume or catching you slipping you know catching you coming in or something like that and um but like so i don't know who's at heavyweight who fights like that nobody you'd have to get a rico verhoeven you'd have to get someone who's like a world-class striker.

Rico's had some MMA fights, and he's still the glory heavyweight champion. And he's also a big, giant dude. But then again, man, he's been fighting with those big gloves, and he's been stopped before. Could he handle it? I mean, if he stands in front of Francis, could he handle it? Yeah, I don't know if anybody can. I don't think any human handles it. Yeah.

You've got to get a guy like Stipe that just knows how to get the fuck out of there. I think Francis could knock out an elephant. He probably could. I'm serious. At least a baby elephant. Yeah, a little elephant. That's fucked up, though. Hit the baby elephant.

Even thinking about that is fucked up. Yeah, I don't think there's anybody he can't knock out, which is really interesting if he decided to go to boxing. He's one of those guys where you go, if he really decided to go to boxing. Who hits harder, him or Bronner? Well, Deontay hits fucking hard. Deontay hits so goddamn hard. It's hard to tell because Deontay has fought the cream of the crop in boxing,

and he's knocked out 39 dudes. He's 40 and what is he like? 40 and 1? 40 and 0. 39 knockouts. Well, how's he 40 and 0? Oh, he's got one loss. The Tyson Fury fight was a draw. Oh, 40-0 and 1. So it's 40-0 and 1. Yeah. And 39 knockouts. Well, how's he 40-0? Oh, he's got one loss. The Tyson Fury fight was a draw.

Oh, 40-0 and one. So it's 40-0 and one. Yeah. And 39 knockouts. Stiverne was the only one the first fight where it went the distance, and then he nuked him in the second fight. Yeah. The first time they fought, I believe that's the case.

Who did he have a decision with? Does it say there? You can look in his Wikipedia. That's him. He hits harder than anybody I've ever seen in the heavyweight division in this modern era outside of Tyson. I feel like I should call him CTE. Like for real.

Remember they did that study on the NFL bodies and they did like 111 bodies and 110 of them had CTE? Yeah. 39 out CTE. Yeah. 39 out of 40. Yeah, he's giving people some real problems. Just the one. It remains Stiverne. Yes.

First fight against him. Stiverne was the only one that went the distance. Everybody else gets nuked. Boom. And he hits guys. They just go flying. You know? The fact that Tyson Fury got up after that 12th round, like Jesus Christ.

Yeah, that was crazy. yeah that that was that was crazy yeah that was like gypsy king stuff crazy like it was ridiculous yeah voodoo like he had like a extra chicken bone in his fucking shorts because you see like if you like i don't know for me i watch i noticed those things like when we were watching that thing with sage and and and and cosmo right um when sage went down, and then after Cosmo hit him, his body didn't give up. They didn't shut off on him, but he was trying to get up.

He was getting up to fight back, right? Because if you're not getting up to fight back, you're covering up, right? But he's trying to get up. Same thing, where Tyson Fury goes down, the referee's in his face, and he's counting him out, and you see his head. You see his head go.

Right. And he just gets up. Just gets up. Like he was like. Like it was over. I thought it was over. I did too. I was watching it at home. I was celebrating.

Yeah. I was like, I won. I'm gonna make some money. I was watching it at home and my thought was, God damn. He knocked him out

in the 12th round. How the fuck does that guy carry that power like that in the 12th round? And then, Tyson's back up and then he wins the rest of the round. That was even crazy. Deontay bombs on him.

He hits him with some hard shots, and then Tyson comes back and dings him. And you see he catches him. Yeah, he did. He wobbled him for a second. Yeah, and this is unbelievable. What a fight. That was probably the best heavyweight boxing fight I've seen. I can't remember one better.

Look at this. Tyson Fury says, put it this way He hits four times harder than Vitaly Klitschko He hits five times harder than Vladimir Klitschko He hits six times harder than Anthony Joshua And he hits eight times harder than Tyson Fury Well who said that? This guy here, Richard Towers

Oh, okay, he's a sparring partner for him Oh, I thought that was Tyson Fury's quote Yeah Well, that's probably accurate it says is deontay wilder a stronger puncher than a prime george foreman the thing about deontay is he knocks everyone out he's not winning any decisions except one i mean there's nobody like that you even go back to tyson tyson when he fought i mean he fought a lot of dudes that went to decision yeah and he beat their asses but they went to

decision i honestly i wouldn't mind um tyson getting into his camp and just even just kind of mentoring him a bit like mike tyson um i feel like somebody like that would really help a guy like Dio. I mean, it's not like he needs a lot of help. Right. But like somebody like Mike Tyson being around, just having him to like call on and talk to you sometimes. Tyson doesn't really want to have anything to do with boxing anymore though, it seems. And maybe not even in the gym. Maybe just somebody to talk to once in a while.

Just for life. Maybe some strategy. Maybe even about strategy sometimes, you know? Because I feel, I don't know. I forget exactly what it was, but there was a moment when I was watching Deontay Wilder and then there was something, I think when Mike was in here,

something he was talking about that I was just like, man, those two should get connected. That's interesting. I was a long time ago i was living in texas well i got a phone call at like like 2 a.m and my one of my buddies my buddy lynn oding and i was like um i don't want to answer that man i'm trying i'm sleeping in bed and my wife i'm sleeping these calls and then the next morning i listened to my voicemail and he's like eve eve if you get this call me back i'm like he was voicemail and he's like eve eve if you get this call me back i'm like he was at a club and he's like somebody wants to talk to you and he has a

phone he's like eve edward eve edward i was so pissed god i was like man i missed the phone call from mike tyson like he ran into him in a club or something. I was like, Mike Tyson knows my name? Dude, I met him at the UFC. And he's like, you're that weed guy. No, he's that weed guy. Well, I mean, he was into weed back then. But it was like, that's what he said. He goes, I like you, man.

You're funny. I'm like, thank you. So glad you like me. And then having him in here was so surreal. Because when I was a kid, he was the fucking man. Yeah. I mean, you would pay to see his fights just to watch him fuck somebody up. It wasn't a fight. It was an execution.

You would watch him execute guys. He was the man. He was the man. He changed heavyweight boxing. People don't realize that heavyweight boxing in the early 80s was dead. Nobody cared. Because Larry Holmes, after he beat Muhammad Ali, everybody was sad. It was like a sad thing.

Like there was a changing in the guard. Larry Holmes beat the shit out of Muhammad Ali. And Larry Holmes never got his due. He never got his due. He was so good, man. Yeah. Larry was so good. He had one of the best jabs of all time. He was so good, man. Yeah. Larry was so good. He had one of the best jabs of all time.

He was so good. But people were still upset at him because he fucked up Muhammad Ali. He was the champ after the greatest. And Muhammad Ali wasn't just the greatest in terms of the greatest fighter. He was a cultural icon. He meant something to people it was something i mean everyone knew the guy was out for three years because he protested the vietnam war everybody fucking hated the vietnam war especially people who went to vietnam hate the vietnam war and they

you know they they got it man and he just he meant a lot he meant a lot so He meant a lot. So when Larry Holmes came around, it's like, man, Larry just never got his due. Never got his due. That era of boxing, I remember going back, watching tape and doing that. And that's one thing I appreciate about Tyson. He was a student. Thank God he knew Jim Jacobs, who had that crazy library that he could get all that. Jim Jacobs was the guy who curated. He has every old-time fight, all of them.

He would watch Sugar Ray Robinson and Jack Dempsey. And he's watching like Willie Pepp. And he's not only watching like the heavyweights. Yeah, he watched every. Oh, yeah. Harry Greb. He watched all those guys, all those old school. And weird, obscure fighters, you know? guys that most people don't remember anymore.

Yeah, that era of boxing was very different. Sandy Sadler and, you know, all those guys. He would watch all those guys. Yeah, that era of boxing before him was terrible. It's like he had champs like Pinklin Thomas and Tony Tubbs and no one cared about the heavyweight division. And then he came along and just started blasting people. And you're like, finally. I remember I was like seven or eight years old.

I met Trevor Burbick. He was down in the Bahamas for a fight. And that's who Tyson took his belt from. Got his first belt from. 20 years old. Yeah. Crazy. Like 20.

20. Now you're the heavyweight champion. And then that was the thing, talking to him about it. Like, what was that like? And it's just, there's no way he can manage it. Yeah. No one can manage that. You're going to go crazy.

I feel like his career and his life would have been very different if Cuss didn't die when he did. I think so, too. Yeah. I think so, too. It's a tragic story, but it's also like there's so many lessons in that story. It's like for all of us it's like there's a lot to learn you know what happened when it got all the way to buster douglas when it was like he thought felt like he can't lose and he was in this rare state yeah yeah like his

life like he's he's had so many ups and downs and as as the heavyweight and like to be somebody that's the heavyweight champion of to be somebody that's the heavyweight champion of the world somebody with so many eyes on them you know the robin gibbons that whole song in his life you know um i remember they were i forget who was it oprah when they were being interviewed and they were on they were on the show and he just he just kind of looked like i feel like mike tyson and that interview was like those tigers that people walk with that they drug. Yes. You know what I mean?

Yeah, perfect. Perfect way to describe it. Man. They probably medicated him. Yeah. Because he just didn't seem like the Mike Tyson who I was a fan of. Right. I didn't dislike him in that moment.

I was just like, what's wrong with him? Meanwhile, who the fuck? I mean, it had to be her idea. If I was his friend were you gonna why are you gonna talk to barbara streisand yeah that's barbara walters whoever it was get the fuck out of here same thing barbara streisand barbara walters to me you're talking to some old lady you're the fucking heavyweight champ of the world get out of here with that talk no no no no no no no this is nonsense and you're gonna bring your wife what what are you doing what benefit is there yeah it was deaf is well i can't say definitely but my my assumption is it was robin gibbons she emasculated him yeah she emasculated him in front of the world and you

know and i think afterwards he realized what happened he was furious yeah but it's like that life is unmanageable his the life that he lived back then was unmanageable. He was the fucking king of the world. He was in his 20s. He was buck wild, just going crazy, flatlining people everywhere he went. People would throw rose petals at his feet and screaming, cheering fans. It's unmanageable. He's too young.

Imagine being a poor, adopted adopted black kid with no love in your life no love in your life until yeah until you're 13 and then you come into all this money because you're the best fighter in the world like there's what could he possibly be afraid of then too? Nothing Right Pet tigers bro He'd wrestle with them I mean that was the crazy thing Him talking about when he found out That he could get a tiger Yeah

What? I could get a tiger? But he's so humble now It's so interesting And one of the more interesting things That he said Is he doesn't train Because he doesn't want to

He doesn't want to fire his ego up. He's like, I don't like that part of me. I don't want that part of me to come out again. I don't want it. Wasn't there a video of him? I understand he doesn't train anymore. Wasn't there a video of him, I think last year, just before he came in here and spoke to you, where he was hitting the heavy bag? I think it was a little bit longer ago than that.

But, yeah, he was doing it for something. He still can crack Man Yeah Still scary Power is the last thing you know Well do you ever see that He's doing a movie

And there's a scene in a bar They're doing something And he just shows them A combination He just punches in the air No warm up Lightning fast Jab

Hook Uppercut Right hand It's like yikes It's all still there Man 50 years old Still fuck you up and that was that was like he was the heavyweight champion of my childhood you know yes like muhammad ali

came before you know but but again larry holmes just doesn't get the credit it's like for whatever reason it's just like in the first round when when tyson fought larry holmes it made me think like damn what would have been like if larry was in his fucking prime because when they fought Larry Holmes, it made me think, like, damn, what would it have been like if Larry was in his fucking prime? Because when they fought, Larry was like 36 or something like that, somewhere around there. It was already kind of over for him. Yep. And Mike was Mike.

I mean, Mike was black, shoes, no socks. There it is right here. Why is it? And then the weave. Yeah. I mean, he just can't help. I mean, that was like built into his system you know fuck i have movement deadly he was he was such an interesting guy too because he was only like five

he's probably like five ten five eleven i think he's like five ten and a half something like that but to be a heavyweight And just So low And bobbing and weaving And moving in And everybody was like Jesus Yeah Like you see him coming out

Like his head's right in your chest Yeah And then he's ripping your body And then uppercut That right hook to the body And then uppercut behind it That he used on everybody He used it on Frank Bruno

He used it on everybody Boom Whack Right up the middle Who hits harder Him or Francis Francis Really Francis hits harder Yeah Who hits harder Him or Francis Francis Really

Francis hits harder Yeah he hits harder I think so I think I think Mike Tyson Is a way better boxer Yeah But I think

If Mike Tyson can hit Like Francis does Just Francis just has to clip you He just Like what would he do to Junior He just grazed him Obviously they're different gloves Obviously I just think Francis to clip you. He just, like, look what he did to Junior. He just grazed him.

Obviously, they're different gloves. Obviously, I just think Francis is such a way bigger man. You know, Mike at his prime was like 209, 215,

around then. I remember on, on, on Punch Out, like, I never beat him. Never beat him. I'm still pissed about that.

Well, you know, Deontay, when he fought Tyson Fury, he only, he told me he only weighed 209. That's what he weighed. How tall is he?

He looks like he's 6'6". He's like 6'6", at least. Yeah. That's crazy. It's crazy. But I still, I mean, I want to see Deontay Wilder punch that thing that the UFC has. I have one of those out here. What is it called again?

The punch-o-meter. The punch-o-meter. The punch-o-meter. That's how I found that thing. I was looking for someone talking about his punching power somewhere if there's any gauge of it. Well, the thing is, I would never let him punch it

if I was his trainer. I'd be like, what if you break your hand? What if you fuck yourself up trying to just hit something as hard as you can? I mean, he's the goose that lays the billion dollar egg.

Yeah. Deontay, if he keeps going, going right like where he's at right now he has become the motherfucking man you know especially with that last fight with uh dominic brazil yeah he sent him into orbit after the tyson fury fight you realize like okay this guy's the fucking man right you want to see him fight andy ruiz you want to see him fight tyson fury again You want to see him fight Tyson Fury again. You want to see him fight Joshua if Joshua comes back. He's worth so much money now. I'd be like, don't be punching things.

What's up? So I guess on that, it's the Fox thing where they test punching. I think it's Fox. They tested punching power, and they actually do have Wilder on this, and I guess Andyy ruiz recently just broke it really yeah oh but see that those i know it's like a game those are silly i don't know how accurate let me see what andy ruiz can fucking punch snickers too or something did he he's got a mouthful of food and what's he got something plus and i think wilders was at 927

okay but i'm telling you that don't mean shit. It's a matter of how you punch it, and it just slams up. Meanwhile, Snickers, is he trying to get a development deal, a sponsorship with Snickers? That's hilarious. I love Andy Ruiz. He's coming here. We got him.

We got him for the end of the month. I'm very excited. Man. That fight was crazy. Yeah, Anthony Joshua. here we got him we got him for the end of the month i'm fucked i'm very excited man that fight was crazy yeah anthony joshua like um see that punching power record that shit ain't real you gotta hit that thing like i have out there where you really can tell even that you gotta hit perfectly too kind of you gotta have a sweet spot oh you have a different thing i have the one that francis hit oh okay the ufc performance institute has where franc Francis broke the record for the hardest punch. Yeah. Yeah. How many lightweights have you had hit that?

None. The only person that hit it besides Francis is Joe Schilling. And you. Yeah. And Brian Callen fucking around. Brian Callen. How dare he? Brian's got a lot of knockout power, huh?

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