The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #70 with Aljamain Sterling

Episode Date: July 11, 2019

Joe is joined by UFC Bantamweight fighter Aljamain Sterling.

Boom and we're live you're the first guy with a high top ever to wear these my I was wondering whether or not the microphones were gonna sit but it's perfect yeah it's just right in there it's like a little fluffy like a little rest area does that help this this having that much hair on the top of your head is there any benefit of that I think when you get like elbowed or anything like that I think it helps out a ton like if someone if you have someone in their guard and they're trying to elbow the top of your head, I would imagine. Yeah. It's a little cushion on it.

So I think it protects you. And I kind of grew out the beard for that kind of the same reason, but it doesn't get as burly as I kind of want it to, but it works. I think in boxing, they used to make people shave their beard. Yeah. That's probably why. Impact. I, you know, that kid, Desi Green, I used to live with him.

He's in the UFC also. And whenever I put that guy in the guillotine because he has these big dreads, he would always get out of them because the dreads were like – it gave his head – it made his head appear like it was bigger. So you wrap around it and you squeeze the cushion and it just compresses and then his head just slides out of it, completely out. So it's like a cheat code. Slippery.

Slippery dreadlocks i would also imagine though that having a bald head if you get sweaty would make it a little greasier like if you have stubble like on the top of your head that would provide like a little bit of friction yeah it makes sense i i follow you i follow you on that i haven't had a bald head though so i don't i it's hard for me to. I like how your shirt even has a gold chain on it. I was going to wear the big boy chain today. Why did you not? I don't know.

You only carry that out when you fight? I usually do. I try to keep it not too ridiculous all the time. Try to be only in character. Make it for a special occasion type of thing. I would consider this a special occasion, but I try to make it more of an MMA thing. There's something extra special about a t-shirt with gold chain on it. It might be more special than an actual gold chain itself.

It works. It's kind of silly. Yeah, man. How much does that thing weigh, the real one? Not very heavy. Really? Not very heavy. It looks like it's like 10 pounds.

Nah, I wish it was 10 pounds. That'd be 10 pounds of gold, but it's not. So is it like an Easter bunny? With a little hollow they're hollow yeah that thing is massive right so is it hollow they're like hollow tubes yeah you think that would be so heavy you would think i get a lot of people that come up to me and start grabbing my chain i'm like oh yes this is supposed to be a mystery you know to the human mind. You're not supposed to know what this feels like. That's really light.

Give them the illusion that I spent like $25,000 on a big-ass gold rope chain, but nah. Well, you remember when Rampage used to wear the motorcycle chain? Yeah, the links. Yeah, real heavy links around his neck. I was going to actually go. There was two routes I was going to go. The old school route with my chain, like the way my dad used to wear it and how we used to wear it when we were kids. Or Rampage Jackson and be like the new generation of Rampage Jackson.

Even though I wasn't slamming people, but I would have to somehow work that in there. Yeah, that's what I said. Still fighting. Crazy. Crazy. Still competitive after all these years. I mean, Rampage was a fucking pioneer, man. Yeah.

I remember his fight with Chuck Liddell, his fights with Vanderlei Silva, even the one he lost in Pride. When he went through the ropes and then he came back and got redemption, I was like, God, that's got to feel so good because that's like the bad highlight. He came back and got a highlight of his own. I think he lost to Vanderlei twice in Pride. He got stopped twice in Pride and then flatlined Vanderlei in the UFC. Yep.

I also think, man, it's speculation, but I also think that the Vanderlei that he fought in the UFC was the one who got drug tested. Yep, 100%. Different Vanderlei. Yeah. I think there's a lot of that for a lot of people too um a lot i don't like don't like saying it yeah i don't like saying it because you know what it is i feel like i see these people and then it's like i know you might have heard me say this so it's like that little awkward tension and i don't like that man i know yeah yeah you're a good

guy it gets weird but it is a thing that if you look at it historically, if you look at the sport in terms of like, when people look at Barry Bonds and when they look at Jose Canseco or when they look at, what was the other dude's name? The dude? Mark. Mark McGuire. Yeah. Or Sammy Sosa.

Everyone knows those dudes were juice heads. That's just a part of the thing So you go They're amazing baseball players Incredible athletes Also were on the sauce Yeah Fact

Does that take away from it though? That's my That's It's hard to say right Because everybody was on it Yeah Do you know there's a great documentary That's out right now

By Billy Corbin He's the same guy who did He did Cocaine Cowboys One and two He's got a new one out about A-Rod. Okay. What is it called? I've got to check that out.

Screwball? Yep. Screwball. It's hilarious. But it's about the players that... It's about how a debt, how owing a Roy doctor some money turned into this horrible revelation where they found out how how these baseball players were getting their juice from that guy okay because they owed somebody some money this guy and that

guy didn't get paid so he went public with everything so it was like a small amount and they had a bunch of kids like these little kids play the doctor and play a rod so like in the movie the reenactments the reenactments were all done by children that's hysterical i definitely gotta check that out it's hilarious it's a funny movie this is funny yeah this is they he gets really fun that's a rod as a child it's fucking really funny man oh man what's it called did you say screwball screwball yeah well billy corbin is a genius he's a really really great director and he like i said he directed two of my favorite cocaine documentaries of all time cocaine cowboys one and two okay have you seen those no no okay

don't even look at screwball yet i haven't even seen narcos who gets oh jesus i'm like i'm trying to catch up there's so's so much content on this. It's hard. Do you fuck with Stranger Things? I've got to get into that, too. I just started Black Mirror. I'm on season three. And that just started opening my eyes.

I'm like, man, technology could be used in such fucked up ways. It's crazy. The Unabomber was right. The Unabomber was correct. Yeah, that show fucks me up more than any show because it's so close to possible. Yes, especially episode one, season one with the pig. Oh, yeah, that was intense. The one that got me most was Crocodile, that one where there's the car accident and they hide the body

and then the lady winds up doing all these different things to cover up her crime. People can read people's memories. You can get people's memories and you can watch them play. Oh, rewatch. That one I saw, which was freaky. Yeah, when the lady did terrible things. Yeah, yeah. I'm like, ah.

Season away. Oh, it's a season away. That's a season four. Oh, okay. Well, I don't want to tell you anything. You're going to shit. I didn't even ruin it. It's that good.

There is one, though, with the memory with the guy and the girlfriend. Yes, that was the one with the girl's cheating. Yeah. Yeah, even ruin it. It's that good. There is one, though, with the memory. Yes. With the guy and the girlfriend. The girl's cheating. Yeah. It's fucked up. Yeah, it's fucked up. That's all coming, man.

That's all coming. I've been talking about this on stage. How good is your memory? Because my memory is not that good. If I try to remember things that happened yesterday, if I had to draw everything I saw yesterday, it's not that good. No. Even if you say your memory's good

it's your recollection of actual things you don't have a video memory but if you had a video memory wouldn't it like that's what that would be a first thing that we surrender if they could put a chip it's like aljermaine listen wouldn't it be amazing if you could pull every technique and and see it exactly as it should be done you could see it play out in front of your head you could pull every technique and see it exactly as it should be done, you could see it play out in front of your head. You could see all of your memories, all of them. Exactly. So you'd have no, like if your girlfriend says, you told me, and you go, no, no, I didn't

say that. This is what I said. I'll play it for you right now. That's how they're going to get us. Yeah. But it's kind of scary. And they showed it. The guy was able to freeze frame the the guy's memories with his uh

wife yes and then it was like that's my that's my picture in the background and she was like oh it was only like a one week thing and then it was like only like a one month thing that turned into like yesterday yeah that's up it was up it's good though yeah i don't think i want that that would be i... I want it. That would just be... I want to know. I want to know what I'm dealing with. I think we're going to... I don't think it's...

I don't think we have a choice. I think it's coming. I think it's inevitable. I'm going to rebel. You're going to? The Great Rebellion. I'll be the leader. Imagine if, like, they just figure out...

I mean, when you're thinking about people that have CTE and brain damage and car accidents I'll be the leader. Imagine if like they just figure out a way. I mean, when you're thinking about people that have CTE and brain damage and car accidents and football and fighting and all these different things, what if they say, listen, listen, we could fix all that. We could fix all that with this chip. It just rewires the whole brain. You're fine. And it provides you with that video memory. So you could have your entire MMA career, never worry about CTE.

You could just swing for the fences like right like lamas and max holloway did yeah stand in the middle of the octagon swing no worries just bang yeah but then if you did that then what about like parkinson's or anything like that would that still be a thing or i mean if that wasn't a thing then i'd be all for it but also oddly enough i think that part of what makes mma so exciting is that there's crazy consequences it's part of the reasons why when you see like masvidal knocks out ben askren with that flying knee part of why it was so exciting like oh he's hurt bad yeah it's not that he's going to be fine nothing there's no damage from this whatsoever like no that's real damage like he went out cold instantly and then he got punched in the face

twice it's part of what it's terrible but it's part of what makes the sport so exciting is that you realize these guys are so brave to face these potential consequences yeah it makes it it makes it it's like an added element of danger that makes it exciting it's very true but it's man i felt so bad for him when that when i saw that because it kind of brought back memories for myself i was like ah i know exactly what that moment feels like i don't remember it but i know exactly what that moment feels like when you fought mirage do you remember what happened up to that yeah and you just don't remember it landing i i saw like right before it lands and it was like you know in those movies when it goes it was at this very moment he realized he fucked up that's exactly what that was for me and out like a light man and i didn't like come to and like

i mean i woke up but i didn't come to, like, actually remember. Like, shit, I was in a fist fight and I lost, like, really bad, like, really quick when I got to the hospital. That's when you realized it. Yeah. I heard Ben say the same thing. I was like, oh, this is not just me. I guess it's just a really bad knockout. Him shooting forward and Masvidal jumping into him like a car crash, man.

And Masvidal's running full clip. That was a 40-yard dash. Running full clip and perfect placement of the knee. I mean, you don't get a cleaner knockout. No. And just the way he did it, like, he was showing a video of him practicing it and saying he had, like, three different scenarios of how that situation could have went. That's, like, masterful thinking and tactical.

Like, there's not a lot of people who are that cerebral when it comes to the game. scenarios of how that situation could have went that's like masterful thinking and tactical like there's not a lot of people who are that cerebral when it comes to the game and i think the way he broke that down was just super impressive and he kind of lulled him to sleep like his hands behind his back i loved every second of that because you weren't sure what was about to happen i was on the edge of my seat that was my main event fight and then he just comes out takes a side step like just drifts off to the right and then boom 40 yard dash and flying knee ko it was just as much a main event for me too because it's so important for the welterweight division yeah whereas like john jones versus tiago santos it was an interesting fight and it turned

out to be a great fight but it was an interesting fight because you're like okay how is john jones going to beat this guy and is this guy going to be wild enough to catch john jones but when you looked at on paper john was a prohibitive favorite yeah when you looked at Askren versus Masvidal you're like man I don't know yeah when I looked at Holly and Amanda I'm like Holly's a great champion and she's a great fighter but Amanda's so goddamn good it's almost like she doesn't have anybody else left to fight it's not like Holly had made this incredible case for her being the one to challenge amanda next it was just that amanda's kind of cleaned out that bantamweight division yeah she fought one person she beat uh

megan anderson and i felt like she struggled with that fight the only way she i felt like she'd done really well when she was able to get uh megan down to the ground but when she was in a clinch she ate a lot of knees this is holly and then she tried to do the same thing the previous fight was cyborg and she ate a lot of knees in the clinch trying to slow cyborg down it just didn't work out in her favor so when that matchup was announced i was like holly's gonna either stay on her bike the entire time and just try to point fight or it's just not gonna end up good and sure enough that's what happened yeah i thought she was gonna probably try to stay on her bike as well and throw kicks from the outside but i guess amanda had planned for it that's why she caught her with her leg up you know if you see the way she landed that round kick she caught her with

her leg up like she was like like pressing with that side kick and then boom yeah with that round house kick right across the top ah and holly's such a good girl she's such a good person yeah that was almost too nice but then you feel bad for her yeah but i know what you mean she she she didn't make a great case like you said for the title fight but there was really no one else for her to there's nobody well once she beat up raquel pennington the way she did and then once she goes up and destroys cyborg it's like who else is there i mean raquel pennington is like as tough as they come yeah and she she was battering her the way she way she put away ronda the way she put

away misha she just smashes people it's scary i think it's it's her shevenko cyborg and then everybody else i think you're 100 right i think that's an interesting fight she might decide i don't know if she can make 125 but if she just i don't know that's a big girl yeah but if she decides or if shevchenko decides to step up one more time to 135 and tries to become champ champ and beat her, I mean, they had a really fucking close fight, especially that second fight. Yeah. That second fight was very, very close.

I didn't know who to even really score for, but. Yeah, and Valentina made a case at the end that she thought that she had won, but it was a very good fight. Yeah. The point is, Shevchenko, obviously, when you see her knock out Jessica Ai, who used to be a top band and weight contender herself she's one of the rare girls that like Amanda and like Cyborg can flatline women with one shot it's scary man it's scary those those those ladies hit hard yeah and her kicking technique is just exemplary you know Valentina is just so good on her feet her kicking is so

nasty man she's one of the cleanest spinning back kicks in the sport you don't even see it coming yeah the way she just i like the way she hops up and down it kind of reminds me of like a little koopa in uh mario brothers because she's like hopping and she's moving sidestepping check hook boom boom spinning back kick out of nowhere yeah it's like she's a weird combination of muay thai and karate yeah she's got traditional martial art techniques but like rock solid muay thai too it's the dancing i think her assistant yeah i think it's the dancing well you know that's lomachenko's secret that's one of his secrets i heard amazing boxing technique his dad made him dance like traditional i think ukrainian dancing make sure

that's right i don't want to fuck that up it's like some kind of traditional russian dancing for like four years yeah now i heard that he made him stop boxing for a bit so that he could focus on yeah dancing that's what he did for four years yeah that's uh crazy makes sense i guess the footwork and everything is gonna do that though If they said Al Jermaine Listen how old are you now How old are you now I'm 30 at the end of this month Okay

34 is your prime This is what we're gonna do Next four years You're just gonna dance You'd be like what What the fuck are you talking about I'm gonna fight I'm gonna hunt for the title right now

Yeah I'm that close Yeah You're that close Especially after Henry Cejudo Just beat Marlon Marais Like holy shit.

Door's wide open. Where are we? Where are we? Yeah. This is a whole, we got a double champ situation here, right? It's crazy. Crazy. So crazy.

That division's wide open. I love how much the band weight division has heated up. It's been such a crazy ride for myself and just being a part of this and being able to see the wave and generations of a part of this and being able to see like the wave and generations of different fighters coming in and out. You know,

I was talking about it like El Nino, you know, Gilbert Melendez and seeing like when he was on the top and now he's kind of like his last fight

with Arnold Allen is kind of like you can kind of see like the passing of the guard or maybe he's just not because I know he popped for some type

of PED also so maybe that was something to do with it. He's 35, I think, or 36. Yeah. And Arnold Allen's 25 and fucking nasty. It's a young bull, yeah. And he's being trained by Faraz Zahabi, who, I mean, I don't think there's anybody better.

Yeah. In terms of trainers. I think there's like just as good or in the neighborhood of good, but he's the fucking man as far as I'm concerned. Yeah, and there's just a lot of hot prospects just coming out. And then you've got the Corey Sanhagans, even Rivera. I know Rivera lost two fights in a row now, but he's still as tough as they come. He was beating Petey Yan until he got dropped at rounds one and two.

He won round three even having his nose busted up and everything. That Petey Yan, though, man, he is a seasoned striker. It's really interesting to see him with a guy like Jimmy who relies on his power and his toughness and his bulldog tenacity to see him get lit up in those two rounds. So Jan just set traps and looked for openings, and then when he finally found them, he just cracks them. Yeah.

I mean, it's a really exciting division right now real exciting that might be my next fight though him for the belt i would hope i would think that would be the next fight and i'm i kind of like that matchup he actually tried to punk me at the ufcpi center uh last week it was kind of it was funny at the same time i was like dude i i'm not really understanding and then on my left side i got i'm getting worked on i got yuna cascaya whatever her name is she's on my left side and she's getting worked on and then i didnuna Kaskaya, whatever her name is. She's on my left side, and she's getting worked on. And I didn't know they were teammates. So he comes in.

He's at the mirror. He's doing the thumb thing, slashing his throat. I start busting out laughing, and I show him the belt, and I start slashing my throat. I'm like, yeah, I'm going to get the strap, whatever. So then he comes in. He comes in with his camera crew, and it starts to go a little bit back and forth. But I can't understand. He doesn't really speak English.

So I guess he says said something and then she translated out of nowhere so I'm like I'm getting ganged up on right now and then she's like he says why are you afraid to fight him in Moscow

and I was like whoa where did I just come from but then I look back at him like tell him no one's afraid to fight him and then after I thought about it I was like wait

motherfucker who's ranked higher you don't call the shots I call the shots I was like you're not Dana White you're not Sean Shelby you fight where call the shots. I call the shots. I was like, you're not Dana White. You're not Sean Shelby. You fight where I say you're going to fight or wherever Dana says we're going to fight. So don't sit here and try to act like everyone's afraid to fight you.

I'm like, one, I don't want to go to Moscow to fight. That's one. I will openly admit that. Does he live in Russia? He lives in, I think he's from Siberia. Oh, Jesus. From what I know. But I know he trains Tiger Muay Thai.

Okay, that's right. So he trains in Thailand and he lives or he's from the coldest, most dangerous part of the world. Great. Yeah. I'm not looking to go there and fight their guy. I'm like, I mean, if I have to, I will. Is there a Moscow card scheduled? There was talkings of it in, I think, November.

Oh, upcoming. Yeah, yeah. Oh, wow. It would be a cool experience, but it's not an ideal thing for me in terms of financial situation, getting out there, paying the taxes. I'm like, dude, that's just, I'd just rather be home. You know, somewhere local. Fuck, yeah. I don't care where he fights.

I'd fight him in the fucking bathroom. I would have fought him in the PI center if he deserved it you know if he if he deserved it but it is what it is i'm like dude no one's afraid of you i'm a fighter i don't understand when fighters try to intimidate fighters and make it look like like we fight in a cage right you know it's like dude but it does work the thing is like fucking with people's heads is real yeah this is true that is true like the best example jose all is one of the greatest fighters of all time yeah i really believe that he was out of his composure when he fought connor and that's one of the reasons why he charged after connor and connor cracked him with that straight left it's like connor was in his head that he was working in the back room when he was like yeah

bouncing yeah that's unreal unreal unreal i mean he planned it out he knew it was coming it's like masvidal practicing that flying knee against Askren. It's really similar. Yeah. It's like you know tendencies, and you also know emotions. And he just wanted to get at Conor so bad. Yeah. And Conor knew he was coming.

So you give him some feints, hop around, throw some sidekicks, hop around. Yeah. Knows he's coming. Bang! And as he's coming, catches him. Perfect timing. Catches him coming in. And again, similar because they're both coming at each other.

Yeah, charging in and getting caught. Crazy. Car crash. But I don't know if he really thinks he's going to intimidate me. I don't know if that's what he thinks or... I'm like, dude, he's trying it. It's a time-honored proven tactic. Yeah.

You get inside someone's head, they get angry. And one of two things happens. Either they fuck you up more because now they're really personal about it you know like like masvidal yeah or it bothers them and they they lose some people lose genuinely lose their composure if they don't like a fighter yeah you know i would say that cowboy in ats that was an insane fight and that was i think that's last time he probably ever let himself get mad he said well it was a learning experience you know he realized that like that shit talking fucked with his head and you know but there's some guys who do better when they shit talk yeah i think i

perform better when there's more in the line like when pedro was talking shit to me i didn't really understand it i was like dude all i did was ask whatever happened with the results of your drug test and that turned into oh fuck him he's a bitch if he said that and what happened did he have a yeah he popped for something in 2015 when he was four in nova scotia oh what was it was it a diuretic or it was that year there was like three or four guys from black house mma that all popped for something and i can't remember all the names i know kevin casey was one of them pedro was one of them and then it was like two more other guys i think silver might have been one of them yeah and it was one more guy did Pedro was one of them. I think it was like two more other guys. I think Silva might have been one of them.

Yeah. And it was one more guy. Did you ever see Anderson's trainer? No, no. Is he jacked? Dude, he's not just jacked. He's jacked and he's like 68. He's old as the pyramids and built like a brick shithouse.

This dude is fucking stacked. I mean, full six pack, giant pecs, arms, small as fuck. Jamie will pull up a picture of him. He's a picture of him doing a selfie. I mean, look at that guy. Come on, son. Come on, son. That dude is jackmified.

Dude, his abs look like a turtle shell. Look like a ninja turtle. Yeah, like you'd roundhouse kick him there and he would laugh at you. He ain't going nowhere. He'd laugh at you. Ha, ha, ha. That's like a dude roundhouse kick him there and he would laugh at you. He ain't going nowhere. He'd laugh at you. Ha, ha, ha. Yeah, that's like a dude in 300 that comes down to your head with an axe. Dude, that's serious.

Yeah, so that was Anderson's trainer. That dude is most likely aware of some Mexican supplements. Probably. Most likely. I would say so. I would say so. Yeah. I mean, come on, man.

That guy's... Whoa. Yeah. Apparently a, come on, man. That guy's... Whoa. Yeah. Apparently a very good trainer, too. So he was the strength and conditioning guy for Anderson and for a lot of the Black House guys. Giving him a lot of strength. He gave him a lot of strength. A lot of strength.

He gave him a lot of strength. Speaking of strength, did you hear Mark Coleman and Ken Shamrock are going to fight in some new bare-knuckle boxing promotion? I didn't even see that announcement. Just today. Oh, my Lord. No. I was like, oh, no. How do we save this?

I think Eddie Bravo sent it to me. And I just looked at it. I took a deep sigh. Like, oh. I don't like seeing stuff like that. It makes me sad. And it makes me wonder if I'm going to be like that when I get older. And I'm like like i hope to

god not i hope when i walk away i just fucking walk away i hope so too but then again if they're in a situation where they need money and something comes up like this and they're willing to do it why do i give a fuck like why why is it a thing where i i'm cool with young guys doing it if they need money but i'm not cool with guys that are 50 doing if they need money like what is it i see your point i'm saying but it's like seeing the guy in their physical state and you're like dude you should not be doing this right so it's like you you're watching i don't know it's almost i don't know it's hard i don't really have an analogy for this right now but i know exactly what you're saying though it's like you hope that they find a better life and they they they they hit the finish line they're like thank you very much they're in the hall of fame and then they move on yeah that's what you hope i'm hoping that's what i do get

the fuck out some people can do it you know make my money my favorite example in all of combat sports is marvelous marvin haggler yeah marvin haggler when he lost to Sugar Ray Leonard in a very disputed decision, said, that's it. I'm done. Just walked away. Never came back. A rematch with Sugar Ray Leonard would have been bananas. He would have made so much money.

He was a middleweight champion. Loses one fight, and he's like, I'm done. I'm going to be a movie star in Italy. He moved to Italy and just never fought again. And he talks perfect now. When you hear him talk, he's got no brain damage. Or if he does, you can't tell by the way he's talking. He sounds fine.

I mean, a lot of this stuff they say sets in later on in life. But Marvin's in his late 60s. I hope to be him. I hope to be that guy. I try to do a good job of bobbing and weaving, moving my head, slipping off the center line, wrestling guys. You throw a lot of kicks, too. You keep guys on the outside.

You have a weird style, man. You're too close, man. Yeah. That's what it is. Daila, diala, diala. You're too close, man. You're too close, man. Back the fuck up. Did you start out from a—I mean, I know you have a wrestling base, too.

Yeah. What did you start out with? What was your first martial art? I didn't have any. You know the the karate kung fu like vhs tapes i shit you not i have a family of this i think there's 20 of us now my dad my dad just had a newborn son i shit you not he's 57 the guy's out of his fucking bird wow but uh he just had a newborn son i haven't even met him yet that's one and uh all the boys grew up we We had these karate tapes, VHS tapes, and we would imitate the characters. And we'll be like, we're the drunken master or we're the white tiger, white lion.

And we have to do their fight styles. And we're like little kids. So we're still flexible and malleable. We don't break as easily. So we just start beating the shit out of each other. But we'd do like spinning back kicks, jumping off the couches and shit like that. And I think that might have translated because that was like we did that for years. But that was the most combat we did.

We didn't do any like wrestling, nothing traditional at all. Before I ever got into martial arts, I used to do that same thing. I used to throw kicks with my friends. I didn't know what I was doing. But it was fun. But, yeah, you like watch a Bruce Lee movie and start throwing kicks or some Chuck Norris film or something like that. Yeah.

You learn how to do stuff by watching, but you could also develop some terrible habits. Yeah. But you don't look like you developed any bad habits. If I had to guess, I would say you have a traditional martial arts background. In what? The way you throw kicks. You throw kicks like a guy who started throwing kicks when you were really young. Yeah.

But they're right. You throw them right. Which ones would you say? All your shit. Your roundhouse kicks, your front kicks. You have great front kicks, man. You're really good at keeping guys off of you. You have good movement.

You've got a style that's a unique style. So when guys have to fight you, they go, oh, this guy, he's going to be kicking at me from the outside. He moves a lot. He bobs and weaves. It's hard to hit. You've got a lot going on with your style. It's very tiring I was gonna ask you that

I was gonna ask you that Dude Cause we called that In your last fight Like the third round You were kind of Slowing down a little bit I'm like

Imagine all the energy This guy's using Yeah Because you're always Bobbing and weaving And moving and kicking And moving and kicking And moving

And Mungos is just You know Bobbing towards you And throwing traditional Type shit Bobbing his head too like you looked at like energy output like how much more energy you must have put out in that fight than he did just in terms of the amount of kicks you throw and the amount of jumping back and forth and leaping in leaping out like this that's all like plyometrics it's it's a ton and the good thing is credit to like the training that we do you know I get the right work

I got that guy Marab Divashili Who's a freaking psycho That guy does not get tired We call him the machine For a reason The guy He would finish sparring with me

And I'm like I did my rounds Championship work I'm done I'm just going to get on the bike Or hit the pads Whatever it is Or band work

Just to get a little Extra cardio push And he'll be in there And grab two Three Sometimes four more bodies To spar with And I'm like This guy just Doesn't fucking stop he's out of his fucking bird this is no exaggeration

this guy is out of his fucking bird but it's the reason why my cardio i'm like you want to get your cardio top notch get yourself a fucking marab get yourself one of those guys he's a man he's a good dude he's a good dude sometimes too much of a good dude i'm like marab i can carry i can carry my own wallet you know it's like it gets to the point like that like dude thank you but i appreciate it but you know but um yeah it's a very tiring style um but we do a lot of work and i do my own strength and conditioning just from having a background in physical education and uh student courtland so you do your own yeah so i've been doing it since i was amateur like writing my own thing my own program because they taught us how to like work on like isometric squeezes and different type of like explosive muscle endurance

workouts and stuff like static holes like holding on the pull-up bar and going out to punches so i i put together a pretty decent program it's been working i can't complain so when you do it how do you design it do you design it for the entire camp like do you set it out every day like where you want to be and do you adjust it depending on how you feel and injuries like how do you design it for the entire camp like do you set it out every day like where you want to be and do you adjust it depending on how you feel and injuries like how do you schedule all that exactly like that so and when i'm further out from the camp or not in camp at all i'll do more lifting and i'll lift heavy and i don't really do like benching no more i think that shit's like stupid for for fighters it doesn't make a whole lot of sense i'm not gonna bench press somebody

off my back you know you know i don't know whatever but i'll do that and i'll adjust the training camp and just the the uh the programs when i get close to the fight and i don't mind to like sharing this because i think guys they make it more complicated than what it should be like i sometimes i see all this crazy shit i'm like i just don't understand the whole necessity behind needing that but i'm no i'm no physical Strength and conditioning Doctorate or anything like that But

From what I've seen That works for me I just try to mimic everything That I feel in a fight And implement it into a workout And I figure out which ways I can do that Whether it's bands

Pushups Box jumps Wall sits I do wall sits Get ups with two plates So I'm sitting down on my butt And I do like a technical stand up And I use the wall

And I push up So it's a lot of leg works A lot of core work With two plates With two plates It's fucked up Sometimes I like I come there

And I do it by myself in the morning I go to law and the may By myself 9am and I'm like Why am I putting myself through this Like it could be so much easier And more simple Like just to do

The other stuff Like the plyometric stuff And which is a is not as much impact on the body. But this is what I enjoy. I think this is what translates to the fight because this is what I feel. And I feel when I do this, I notice a drastic difference from one sparring session to the next. But to answer your question, I adjust it. I'll do it if my legs are on fire and I feel like they're really beat up from sparring, I'll do more upper body. And then if I feel my upper body is more beat up

I'll switch it off To the lower body And if I feel like I'm fresh Like I had a good week Maybe I didn't spar On a Saturday And I come in fresh on a Monday I'll hit it hard

And do full body Everything And I'll give myself Five rounds of pushing it But I'll separate it into rounds Simulate the fight with rounds So I do

Every single minute But I'll do about Forty Forty Depending on how far I am From the fight If I i do every single minute but i'll do about 40 40 depending on how far i am from from the fight if i'm like just on the training camp i don't want to kill myself i want to ease my way into it so i'll start like anywhere from like 30 35 seconds to like 50 seconds and that 10 second window or that other 30 second window is my time to recover and get to the next station and i'll just rap whatever i'm doing, burn it out, burn it out. I'll do the med ball between my legs. I'll do the foam roller in my arms, and I'll squeeze it.

I'll simulate the rear neck choke, and I do it for two-minute intervals. And I'm just squeezing the piss out of it. And obviously you can't do it, but you do it to failure. And your arms get tired, you switch and go to the other side. And you switch your legs, you figure forward, you scissor the legs. So you give yourself a different type of stimulation to your body to kind of account for everything that you may possibly be in for the fight and you never know it's like something this fight i did a lot of grappling but i also did a lot of punching because i thought to myself there might be a chance i it might be a possibility that

i do not get pager to the ground and i i was happy i didn't force the takedowns because that would have fatigued me even more i was was like, if it comes, it comes. But I did a lot of output just burning out the arms, getting that muscle endurance, kind of using that Floyd Mayweather structure of a workout, just getting the heavy back count, like high punch count in a five-minute round. And I would do that for a couple rounds. And we do that a couple times a week. And I think you implement that with the lateral footwork that we do in the cage

and just staying on your bike and having people like like stalk you and like just not going crazy but it's control like they're throwing punches like hooks or they're throwing um a one two and you got to like bounce side to side and get out the way so it's a lot of like at least i think it's practical for what you're going to actually see when you get in the fight and i think sure enough a lot of the things we did pretty much happened in the fight just I think long squeezes is a great idea. Oh, it's insane. Because that's something that comes up often in a fight where you maybe got a guy in an arm triangle or something like that. And it's that close to whether you get it or he escapes.

It's like how much squeeze, how long can you keep it down? You know when you're caught in something and it's like you're almost going to tap and the guy lets go. You're like, whew. If you just held it a little bit longer. Yeah, long it's like you're almost kind of tapping the guy. Let's go Long squeezes like my friend Scott Epstein Einstein. He teaches at a tenth planet West, LA He's always been a big fan of slow slow workouts Like he'll do chin-ups like this like super slow I think that's what they call it super slow and he'll do chin-ups like he's doing a chin-up It might take him two minutes to do a fucking chin-up

yeah for the entire time so like when you're grappling with someone it's like you're trying to squeeze it to pull them in you've got that

long-term squeeze endurance it's like quicksand yeah it makes sense because if everything is fast and exploding but then you get a rear naked and you have to

like continue to compress or a guillotine where you continue to squeeze it's different it's such a different it's such a different it's such a different feel it's kind of remind it not kind of reminds me it is exactly like my brian carraway fight although i did do three workouts on the day of that fight before

the fight even matt told me in the back room he's like aljo save some for the fight i was like no man i'm good and i was just going crazy i was like in my head i'm like i did all the work but i i just wanted to be so prepared because i knew it was the biggest fight of my life. I knew if I beat him and finished him, I was probably going to get a title shot. I was 4-0, undefeated, coming off three finishes. And I knew if I finished him, I'm more than likely going to get—and they lined me up too. Because the next week, I went to Fox, and I was supposed to talk about the Dominic Cruz fight versus Uriah Faber fight, which I went. But the fight didn't go my way, so it kind of had like a bittersweet taste to it.

Do you think it had anything to do with the extra rounds you put in? Or the extra work? Did it tire you out? A hundred percent I think if I had just done my one morning shakeout 15-20 minutes It was what I do now Just get the food moving through my system

So that my body can get like Just feel like it's more alive again Like it does during training camp I think that fight Easily done in the first round Or even the second Because he survived the first But I think the second round i think i get him out of there but it's just experience you know learning and becoming more mature about the game and trusting your training

do you think that has anything to do with you training yourself do you think that you've if you had a legit strength and conditioning coach who's monitoring your heart rate are you monitoring your heart rate and all that stuff no i just started doing stuff with the pi center and i try to because i saw that guy brendan davis he's he's 45 or 40 to beat and he's a he's a big fucking dude he's 135 now which is insane to me so i don't know how he makes it that's what i said so i'm like dude if i'm gonna have to be finding these giant guys i need to figure something out i'm like they they explain how he was able to cut the weight like he was running like 10 miles or something a day a day which was insane to me i know he was saying like some of it was like walking but it's all about your heart rate your resting heart rate where you burn the most fat and calories or whatever you want to call it he's so big when i was standing next to him i

couldn't believe he makes 135 it's insane i i was actually pretty upset i was like fuck this guy go back up to your weight class there he is right. And didn't he say that he weighed, I think I asked him what he weighed in the cage and I think he said somewhere around 160. Yeah, I don't get that big. What does he say?

I'll look, I'll check. It's bananas, man. He's so gigantic and he's, what is he, like 6'1 or something like that? Yeah. Crazy for that weight class. Yeah, I don't want to fight

a guy that's 6'1. I got the unfair advantage right now. Take your ass back out to 45. There's a device that I've been using called a Whoop, and it measures your heart rate variability. It measures your heart rate. It measures your sleep cycle. You wear it while you're sleeping.

And they say that that's one of the things that really determines whether or not you can push hard is monitoring your heart rate on a daily basis so that you see what it's like when you wake up. So say if you wake up and your resting heart rate is like 40 beats per minute or something like that. If one day it's 50, you need to chill. That day was maybe active recovery, maybe just do some light drills, nothing crazy. But you can't push it that day because you're already 10. So you might be getting sick or you might be worn out and you need to give yourself enough recovery i've gotten sick a lot in my last three training camps yeah which is something i've never like experienced or dealt with before tonsillitis

twice i'm like this unreal i've never had to deal with anything like that before in my life that has something to do with it man but if you just had monitor your heart rate and make sure that when you're waking up in the morning it's not too high yeah because sometimes you just say look you're a fucking professional fighter man you you're tough there's just no you have to assume that maybe sometimes you're too tough for your own good because fighters are so fucking tough they're not complaining about shit they're like time to go to work i'm not a pussy you know if i don't feel like going to work i'm going to work that's my mindset yeah you know i even talked to tony ricci he does some of the strength and conditioning with like caitlin chukagin and

some of the other fighters okasasaki and the other guys at the gym and i always pick his brain like whenever i have questions because i said i'm not this is not my field my expertise i've just been using the same program just changing it up and i still work out from other people and i'll ask them questions and ask them so for some things that could tweak within my training session but of late i've been i've been doing better with taking more days off like two days back to back there's one time i even took three days off and i was like so nervous like you get in your own head like dude you're taking off way too much time and sometimes ray has a way of like breaking my balls and he go i don't know he's like this is'd go, I don't know, Aljo.

He's like, this is a big fight. I don't know, Aljo. Are you going to take another day off? I'm like, oh my God. Don't do that to me. Because then I feel, I know he's just playing, but sometimes I feel like it's hard to know if he's playing or not. I think you're being serious. He's so old school.

He really is. Him and Matt Serra. Ray Longo and Matt Serra in the corner of the most entertaining corner of all time. They're the best. They're hilarious. They're the best guys. It's so old school. He really is. Him and Matt Serra. Ray Longo and Matt Serra in the corner. The most entertaining corner of all time. They're the best. They're hilarious. They're the best guys. It's so funny. They should have a reality show.

Just them in the corner giving fighters instructions. Yeah. They're amazing. I'm hoping they could get something. That would be sick if they ever got a reality show. Even something with the team. I think that would be fun. We've got a bunch of characters.

Oh, I'm sure. Yeah. I mean, every fight camp does, right? Yeah. You've got to be an interesting person to want to do that for a living yeah yeah they are dude sometimes i would just listen to the i just like listening to the feedback so i can hear them screaming in the corner and you can just hear matt going off like yes aljo that's it aljo show them who you are whenever they're in the corner together i always say i always tell the guy in the booth Go to Sarah and Longo

Go Go Go I'm like I want to hear them Dude that last one was great The ESPN guys They posted like a little clip Of them in the corner

When Matt comes in And Ray comes in He's like fuck yeah Joe's like Dude I got pumped up And then They tweeted something like Get yourself a corner

Like Matt and Ray Best That was the best They're amazing people They're just They're just great guys, too. Yeah. There's so many great corners now.

It's really interesting to see this sport evolve. And that's why when you get a bad corner, it stands out like a sore thumb. When someone gets bad advice, they don't get good technical advice, or they don't get honest advice from their corner, it's like, wow. And all the other fighters get the chance to see that. That's your advertisement, right? Like, Firas Ahabi is probably one of my all-time favorites, for sure. He's a beast.

He's really a beast. When you hear him in the corner between rounds, in many ways, it's an advertisement to go train at his gym if you're a top fighter. Yeah. Because you hear him talk. He's so technical in his description. He's so aware of what should happen and when it should happen that he just knows what to do and when to do.

And it's like, that's excellent advice excellent advice yeah jamie shut your mic off i'm hearing your fucking rapper you know your mic's got to be on is that loud i didn't think it was yeah i heard it too i did hear it what are you man? Was that made out of paper chips? The wrapper was made out of potato chips? Yeah, it's like a corner is, in many ways, it's the advertisement for the gym. You see when you hear, you're winning, you're winning, you're definitely winning, just go out and outbox them. It's not winning.

We're in the corner. That is not good advice. It's not. My thing is you've got to give some type of instructional feedback, something to correct or something to do better or encourage them to keep doing the same things that they're doing or something where there's instruction, not like, get up. Oh, really?

You think I need to get up? I think I know I need to get up, but how the hell do I get up? Well, the weirdest shit was Diego Sanchez. Diego Sanchez in his last fight, I don't know who he trained with. He left Jackson Winkle, Winkle John. I don't know if he had training partners. I don't know what he did. And he had the one guy in his corner tell him, be like Tyson.

Go out in there and be like Tyson. No fucking way did he say that. Yes, he did. He was giving him weird advice. And Diego was getting Michael Chiesa was just flowing on him. Yeah. Just flowing. And every time Diego

was able to capitalize on a position, like a slip-up or a window of opportunity to get on top, he just fucked it up. And then Chiesa just got right back up,

created a scramble, and then he was right back in a dominant position once again. I was like, yeah, this is not going to end well. I thought he was going to get the finish, but.

Dude, the way you saw, like, Diego Sanchez manhandle Mickey Gall. Crazy. yeah this is not gonna end well i thought he was gonna get the finish but dude the way you saw like diego sanchez manhandled mickey gall crazy then the way you see michael chiesa manhandled diego sanchez levels wow levels levels and size chiesa it is you want to talk about a guy who cut too much weight it is incredible that that dude ever made 155 pounds he's so large big that is a big man he's so big and when you put your hand on him like i'm interviewing it's like a fucking piece of wood man yeah that's some grappling constrictor strength you know yeah he's a big dude man i saw him before the fight in the pi center i was like dude and i told him the same thing i was like dude

i don't know i really do not know how the fuck you ever made 155. It's probably counterproductive for you to even go down there. Yes. Because you've just got such a big frame. I think he would excel at 70. I think so, too. But what's interesting is he's done way better at 70 than Kevin Lee has. And Kevin Lee beat him at 55. Yeah.

So it's crazy how you've got to go up and wait, but you've also got to do it the right way. Yeah. I think he did it the right way. When he's at 170, he's super healthy. Yeah. Strong dude, man. So fit. And he's fit.

And he flows. The way he was flowing with Diego, he didn't tighten up. He was in total control. He would take chances. He would roll into crucifix positions. He would lose it and get a hold of him again again take him down it was like it was like a black belt rolling with a blue belt that's what it was like i was like wow this is crazy to watch or a purple belt it's crazy to watch it's different man it's really levels to

the game and uh it's also size size 169 like the day before the fight wasn't didn't have to cut any weight at all whereas kia'sa probably would in the 190s. He looked huge. I wonder what makes him want to go down to 55 then, not go down to 55. What is this, Jamie? This is voodoo coach. Oh, this is his coach.

This is the voodoo coach that would be Diego Sanchez's corner. No one else. This dude has no experience as an MMA coach, by the way. So this is the dude that's telling him to be like Tyson. He's being like water right now. What is he doing? That slip, that slip. that slip that slip bro well touch butt touch butt diego's such a strange guy man he might believe that this dude has mass magic powers because he's he was talking about but i think a big part of diego's success is his belief system right diego just believes things

dude oh this guy's amazing what technique oh come on son show me that oh people out bro imagine looking at this guy go listen fuck Longo and Sarah that would actually be a good like skit like yeah I'm going out to train like just had the whole thing leading up to it and then let him know like I just fucking was just fucking around, you know. I think that's what Anderson Silva did when he brought in Steven Seagal. Complete joke. People were buying it.

Well, Seagal was selling it. He was selling it. You know, he's like, that's a technique that I taught Anderson. It's a front kick, bro. That's a front kick. Everybody knows that one that's day one white belt class oh man that i i can't believe people bought it for so long it's almost like the ron de bros thing too there he is look at this oh karate dead to the head son

imagine these dudes standing there while he practices all this shit there's george george they all had to do it with a straight face. Anderson's like the ultimate troll. Look, he's practicing it. Anderson's practicing it. His acting is so good, though. Oh, my God. It's so good.

This is like a, you know what this is like? This is like a circus clown giving Dave Chappelle comedy technique. Some dude who's like a, you gotta get a nose. Honk, honk. it's like dave chappelle getting comedy technique from a clown the uh that reminds me of the napoleon dynamite when he's like would you want to get kicked by me in these pants break the wrist walk away yeah but the thing is sagal was a legit aikido specialist like if it was just aikido like that's what people just because a guy seemed kind of silly you forget

like he had a real legit history with aikido he was the first american to ever teach at a dojo in japan he speaks fluent japanese and he's a legitimate Aikido master, like 100% absolute legitimate Aikido master. The thing is, Aikido is just not something that translates perfectly to MMA. What is this? Seagal best Aikido with Russian national Aikido team. Yeah, bro, I'm not bullshitting that. His Aikido is 100% legitimate. Yeah, bro, I'm not bullshitting that.

His Aikido is 100% legitimate. But you see, I would almost discredit everything just based on that one parody thing of a joke, that shit show of a joke. Yeah, but I mean- Break the wrist, walk away. But this is all nonsense. Someone's going to give you their arm like that. But if they did, he would fuck you up. Better than this, because this is Se sagal as an older man who's overweight

go to steven sagal when he was really young there's black and white footage of him teaching at a dojo in japan there it is he is 100 legit and akito's not the best martial art for self-defense it's just not but it has its applications and in its applications he's a master at it much like jujitsu has its applications but it's not great for kickboxing right yeah taekwondo has its applications but it doesn't work if you kick the legs and punch the face yeah but if you learn how to do it those techniques can apply if you know all the other stuff well if you know all the other stuff this motherfucker has some real shit it's just whether or not you would have to be so good at all the other stuff that you could

utilize this. Now, obviously, he's showing in this technique, he's showing knife defense and stuff like that. But this is all 100% legit technique. He's good, man. I mean, not good. He's outstanding. His Aikido is outstanding. The real question is how effective is Aikido?

Yeah. I'm still like I can't get past the jokes of the front kick. It's hard to get past that part. I didn't know this. I didn't know this. It's hard to get past someone who doesn't have an objective understanding of how people view them. Me and George St. Pierre, George St. Pierre wanted to learn how to throw a turning side kick for me. Dude, you're an animal at that, by the way.

I felt embarrassed teaching him, though though because i'm just a comedian yeah and i'm a you know i'm a commentator but i was like i know this sounds crazy but i really know how to do it and then when i did it he was like holy shit i was like yeah this is what i used to do so but but me showing him that i mean i'm under no illusion that i could kick george saint pierre's ass he would fuck me up every day of the week. But I was like, I have this one thing that I can show you that I bet you can't do the way I can do it. And I can show you how to do it. But I'm not like, you know, like what Seagal's doing.

Like, Seagal, that's a front kick, man. You know, that's a front kick. You know? And even a spinning back kick, you can teach someone someone it But them having the confidence To execute that To choose to do that Like you're in a situation The guy's coming forth You choose to spin

You gotta be so rock solid With your understanding of that technique You're not gonna get that Without years and years and years And years and years of drilling it That could be a death sentence In a live combat fist fight Yeah

So Even like when I throw it sometimes I'm like man, man, I throw a lot of shit, man. Like I do like the tornado kicks and shit now. Yep. And I do like, I did one time to Pedro on this fight where he came at me and I stepped back and I did like a hopping, spinning back kick. Like the one Uriah Hall hit Gegard Mousasi with. Oh, yeah. I did that, but it hit him like right on the belt.

Not exactly where I wanted to hit to land. In the picture, my foot slides down. Looks but it hit him right on the belt, not exactly where I wanted to land. In the picture, my foot slides down. It looks like I kicked him in the balls, but it was right above the belt line. I was like, oh, man, if I just got a little bit more to the side with the heel, I would have probably dropped him. Do you practice that in front of the bag? Oh, yeah, but then I would have someone holding the shield, and I would just go for 20 minutes. I just have it controlled. I'm like, yo, because I want to have like a stationary target, but also somewhat moving

so it's more practical. Because no one's just going to stand in front of you like, hey, just spinning back kick me to the ribs. The way I learned how to do it was swinging a bag. I would swing a bag. And the bag was coming close to me. I would jump up there and spin. And stop it.

And do it that way. The only fight that I have from Taekwondo at all was me winning by knockout with a jump spinning back kick really the only one that's on youtube yeah the only one when i was like 19 jb could probably find it but that technique if you do it right if you do it right it's fucking devastating but you open yourself up whenever you turn and you spin especially so i'm doing it in taekwondo where you can't punch to the face it's it's less risky you can't kick to the legs you can get away with it more you can't punch to the face. It's less risky. You can't kick to the legs. You can get away with it more. You can't punch to the face, but you can kick to the face.

Kick to the face, yeah, which is ridiculous. What do you got? What happened? Oh, here it is. This is me when I'm 19. Ooh, that's you? Yeah, that was me. But it's like the same thing.

He's coming forward, and I caught him as he's coming forward but that that technique in mma i mean if you got like valentina does it better than anybody she does it you don't even see it coming valentina shevchenko yeah you just throw that guy you're not flying if you hit somebody with that it's like getting hit by a car yeah you know i mean that's what i was telling george i was like if you do it right your your weight is going towards it the problem with the way most people do it, they're hitting it and bouncing off of it. You're not even going all the way through it. You're not following through.

They're going bang, like that. They're hitting it and going bang. I'm saying go boom, go through it. Your weight should be going through it. And it seems awkward. But once you develop the technique and do it properly, it's not awkward. It's the best way to do it. And you get so much weight going forward.

That's another problem I have. And I was talking about this earlier today with some of the guys. Like, I normally try to, like, rewatch all my fights and then take, like, a notebook or my phone and jot down notes of things I could do better or things that I think I fucked up or I want to clean up, that type of stuff. or things that I think I fucked up or I want to clean up, that type of stuff. And one of the things I'm noticing, I mean, I've noticed it for a while, but now I think that's going to be like the next evolution of my game is sitting down on my punches and my strikes more so that it has more of my body weight behind it because I punch a lot in transition.

And it's cool. It's fancy. It's hard to hit. I'm super elusive that way. But again, like we were talking about, man, it's a lot of the work rate is just high. You got to be constantly moving, but it's fun to watch do you think you're going to stick with doing all your strength and conditioning yourself or do you think you will move to like a professional like strength and conditioning group i mean as you move into five rounders too yeah right well i trained for five round fights when i was doing this too but i mean obviously the level of competition wasn't the same um that was on the regional circuit before I came up

And I mean I had success in training When I was sparring with five different bodies Five different individual rounds And I did pretty good in terms of my cardio But I was also a young bull back then I'm a little older I still think I'm a young bull But it's a difference when you're 21, 22

Compared to 29 Even though I think right now my prime year is getting there I think also you're aware Of all the damage you're doing to your body all the time. Yeah. Where you're 21, you're barely aware of it. I just, you just go nuts. Yeah. Your brain's not even fully formed.

Just throwing kicks and punches and going crazy. Yeah. But I, I mean, maybe, I mean, that Tony Ricci guy at the gym, he's pretty, he's pretty good. It's just, I feel bad taking up his time because he helps out so much and volunteers so much of his time. I feel bad because it's not like I'm not – he doesn't ask for money. So it's like I feel bad if I'm not paying you for your service. I don't like – He doesn't ask for money.

Nah. Hey, Tony. Not from the fighters, you know. He asks for money. He likes just seeing like the local guys do well and he likes helping out. That's amazing. Yeah. He's a professor.

I forgot the school he's a professor at. But really, really smart dude I know he goes down To the PI center From time to time To like I think share some knowledge And learn some stuff

From those guys as well So maybe I'll go that route It would be nice If I was able to train At the PI center Yeah And have that entire staff On hand like

And got on those guys That's such a Have you thought about Doing a camp there I mean if you did Do you think Longo and Sarah Would be interested in doing that? They can't, right?

They really can't. They can. They got family. They got the kids. They got their gyms. Yeah. I always tell them, like, yo, can we, like, move to, like, somewhere warmer, like a Florida or something? No state tax, you know?

I know. Bring the whole team. Bring the whole team. Bring the whole family. We get a bigger house. They don't want to do that, though. Not these little shacks. Those Long Island dudes, man, they got roots. know that's that's what it is ray's like

i got my uh he's got everything in here you know they both do they're so used to that community too it's like that's their family their friends everybody's there all the guys who come to the gym it's like yeah i get it i get it but man If you're a professional It seems like Every little edge That you can get Can mean a little bit Of something

And that performance institute Is a real edge Yeah That place is amazing Well I look at it Like I got my striking From Ray I got my jiu jitsu

From Matt And all the other guys Jason Brown Those guys And the Henzo gym Whenever I go to Henzo Is in the city And then I had the wrestling

My own background And then You know I teach to Henzo's in the city and then I had the wrestling my own background and then you know I teach the wrestling classes at the gym and then I go down to Hasha sometimes and I borrow some of those guys some of the

I mean they're not like the Penn State but they're still solid wrestlers you know they're giving me pretty damn good work compared to what

a lot of the wrestling looks like in MMA now you know so I'm getting solid work there I think the main part is my nutrition and I really don't sleep I have a I sleep I'm getting solid work there. I think the main part is my nutrition. And I really don't sleep.

I sleep, I'm so fucked up. I really don't sleep. I mean, the CBD helps me the most, but everything else, unless I'm like hammered and I just pass the fuck out, but then I'm like fucked up the next day. That sounds like counterproductive. Totally counterproductive.

Have you heard of that chill pad? No. This is something I haven't tried, but Mark Sisson, he's the guy from, he wrote that book, The Primal Blueprint. And he's like a nutrition expert and he's a former endurance athlete. But he's a giant believer of this thing where you put it as like a mattress pad and it chills your body to a certain temperature. You could set it for whatever temperature makes you most comfortable. But apparently he said it is a game changer in terms of your ability to sleep

through the night. Like I woke up in the middle of the night last night. I must've been having a crazy dream. I was sweating like a pig and I woke up and I'm drenched with sweat. I'm like, fuck, why am I so sweaty? Like what the fuck's wrong with my brain?

But with this, apparently when you keep you at a chilled temperature, you just snooze. And he said he sleeps hard. What do you got? I got that bed. You did it. It's coming.

You got a chill pad? So I don't have it yet, but it's, we'll be here by the time we get back into another show. I'll have a review for you on how it works. Amazing. Yeah. So you ordered one full bed though.

It's not just a pad. Like literally there's a tube that like an air conditioner tube goes into the mattress whoa and it's connected to an app and it can regulate your body like a sleep number what's it called this one is called like eight sleep i believe or sleep it's the same thing yeah same thing so this is the actual mattress itself so how much is that thing not it's i looked at the prices i was surprised it was not as expensive as i would think it would be especially compared to like i heard miss pat say she bought one of those like uh sleep number beds yeah and it was oh she's funny as fuck by the way oh my god that last episode oh my god it starts at two thousand bucks i guess which probably goes up depending on size but wait a

minute they give it to you for free i I do have a promotional offer, I believe. Oh, shit, Jamie. Working in the promotional game. I like it, though. I don't have a code or anything to give anyone. I don't have a bed. I haven't tested it, so I don't know what it's like. I have a pull-out couch.

What? Dude, I have a very unique way of thinking. You're a top band and weight contender in the fucking UFC. It's fucked. Are you sleeping on a pull-out bed? Yeah. What? Al Jermaine, that's outrageous.

You need to be able to sleep. No wonder why you have a problem sleeping. Well, I feel like I still always had the problem. I think I might have sleep apnea. My girlfriend, Rebecca, she's had me. She's recording me like, oh, my God. I was like, yeah, baby, you just got to deal with it. You just got to deal with it.

I bet you do have it. Dudes with big necks get it. I have it. I have a thing that I put a mouthpiece in that I got from this guy, Dr. Kropian. It pushes my tongue down. No, the mouthpiece sits on your bottom, and it's got a tongue. Someone touching your tongue, pushing down down on it and it keeps my tongue from sliding back

sliding in the back of your throat and covering over my air hole okay so how how much I want to I mean I got I just got one from a dentist that I'm working with

and he has the one that pulls your bottom jaw forward like these bands is it helping you? it's been helping but it's just my jaw

is just really tight in the morning so I'm like oh that's not good then you gotta wait for like like half an hour for it to kind of reset and adjust back but man being able to sleep i feel like i could be so much more efficient with my day because i always hit that midday crash which i'm not sure if that's normal but i wake up i have the most energy because like i'm just taking a bunch of power naps because i wake up so many times in the middle of the night well there's a company that i know that sells them that you could just

buy and it's like a boil and bite mouthpiece night. Well, there's a company that I know that sells them that you could just buy. It's like a boil and bite mouthpiece kind of thing. And it has a bar that keeps your tongue from sliding back. That's what you use? No, this is a different one. Here's a couple of different versions here. I don't know which one you want to. I've never seen a tongue one.

These are different, though. These are different. There's one that. Here, I'll pull it up real quick. This one goes around your tongue. It looks like a pacifier. That's real weird looking. That looks really around your tongue. It looks like a pacifier. That's real weird looking. That looks really weird.

Yeah. It looks like an octopus. Not an octopus. What's those things? Jellyfish. That's weird. I don't think I can sleep with that. This is more like what you're saying with that.

Like you bite down on that. No, there's one that's different. Hold on a second. I'll find it here. I'll go into my orders. Yeah, this one is, the one I got is molded to my teeth, and then the bottom jaw just gets pulled forward. So when I just relax my my

tongue is not like full like it's not covering my my airway it's a really common thing with guys who are like football players and power lifters and wrestlers you develop oh here it is jamie it's uh hold on a second it's called uh z y pA. I've heard that. I've heard the commercials are pretty funny for it. Z-Y-P-P-A-H Is it two P's or one P? One. Two P's.

Two P's. Z-Y-P-P-A-H See, that's it. So you see that thing there that has that band that band sort of lays on your tongue and it keeps your tongue

from sliding back and then you breathe out of the top and bottom just like an over-under mouthpiece. I'm trying to like envision this right now. It's just keeps your tongue from sliding back, and then you breathe out of the top and bottom, just like an over-under mouthpiece. I'm trying to envision this right now. It's just keeping your tongue from sliding back. That's how it helps you. See that band at the bottom, the band at the back?

Yeah. That's what it is. I remember I went to a dentist, and they tried to tell me, yeah, we could get you a mouthpiece for five grand. I was like, get the fuck out of here. Five grand? It's like some guy in the city, friend my friend is the one who connected me with him it's like yeah this guy's gonna do right by you as a guy told me five grand i was like dude

get the fuck out of here five grand for a mouthpiece that's so crazy and then he made me two mouth guards and they were both shit anyway he was like uh he made mouth guards i don't want to bash this let me not bash this guy but Well shout out to the mouthpiece guy He made mine The guy's awesome Yeah He's got an Instagram page Shaq makers We do Shaq

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Ready go Fall asleep Fall asleep I'm tired And I'm like And he's 800 pounds And he's 17,000 feet tall And he's laying next to you

Yeah It's just not happening It's not happening That would be a hilarious Like fear factor type show Trying to fall asleep Next to Shaq You could end up in a hotel room Next to him and play that game on accident.

Accidentally. Yeah, for sure. Make those walls shake. You hear the chandeliers clinking. Clink, clink, clink, clink, clink. Every time he breathes out. Clink, clink, clink, clink, clink, clink, clink. Yeah.

Yeah, a Giants dude like him, he must have a crazy snore. Andre the Giant's probably the same. Yeah. Yao Ming. Yao Ming. That stuff takes away so much from your recovery because if you're snoring you're not getting the proper oxygen in you know this dr caropian that i go to he puts this thing in your mouth and he has you breathe in and out it actually literally measures the output of your breath like how much comes in comes out and he devised this thing to hold your tongue in place To open up your airway

Almost like a resting VO2 max kind of thing Yeah Similar at least Yeah and some guys wind up getting up I know a couple guys have gotten an operation Where they open up your throat hole better And they remove your tonsils And they remove your adenoids

And it opens up the area Really? Yeah They literally get their fucking neck operated on. They cut some of the meat out so that you have more air. I wonder how does that work in terms of being an athlete. Would that be a benefit? You definitely wouldn't be able to get choked for a long time.

Yeah, I feel like that would fuck me up. For a long time. Imagine someone getting you in a guillotine after you've had your tonsils and adenoids and all that shit. You'd be months, months after where you'd be able to really train hard, I would imagine. Yeah. Maybe I'll heal up. Not going to do that.

Maybe I won't go that route. But if it works. But the thing is, doesn't your tonsils, don't they play a part in your immune system? I don't know. I mean, they're there. Just hanging out. They're not like an appendix, right? They're there for a reason.

It's not like a leftover vestige of a different time. And people get it removed too. Yes, what Jamie? It does? What does it say?

Part of the body's immune system location at the back of the throat stop germs from entering the body through the mouth or nose.

Nice. And they contain a lot of white blood cells. Need those. Yeah, so maybe just get a mouthpiece yeah well i got this guy this guy andrew he's he's making these new dental mouthpieces um it's like it's called dental impact so it's supposed to help you for like mma fighters supposed to have like a little extra cushion for you because you know you ever you ever tried the double padded mouthpiece supposed to have Like a little extra cushion For you Cause you know You ever try the double Padded mouthpiece

And they have like That little slit And you're supposed to Be expected to breathe Through that Right But once you open your jaw The mouthpiece falls out

So this one is supposed to have Like a little bit of a layer Like a gel Where you bite into it And it helps Like almost like Pull the jaw forward So it gives you like

A little bit more Room for impact So you can bite down And I think it's gonna Just be better for like Combat I haven't tried it yet He's supposed to send me one So I can try it out It gives you a little bit more room for impact so you can bike down. I think it's going to just be better for combat. I haven't tried it yet. He's supposed to send me one so I can try it out and give some feedback and see how it all works. There used to be a company called Shock Doctor.

Are they still around? I know they do cups and shit like that. I think there was a Shock Doctor mouthpiece that had the same idea behind same idea behind it but i was super skeptical there it is yeah shock doctor but i think there's real science to that look at that fucking thing what is that shit it's got a lip guard demandable man mouthpiece for like football players usually use that hmm shield a lip guard oh so you don't get your mouth your lips busted but hmm But, hmm. So there's a, what's that airflow one? Screwed up a little bit there, the white one. What does that say? Max airflow football mouth guard.

Huh. That looks stupid. I guess it lets air through the middle, I guess. The hole. Yeah, but that's fine with football. That's not fine for a five minute round. But it looks small. You know what I mean?

Like it doesn't. The hole? Yeah, to like go all the way. Well, the part you bite on. Right, right, right. It's not far enough back. Yeah. Dig all the way Well the part you bite on Right right right It's not far enough back Yeah Dig into it

Like what are you biting on Just the top part With your first few teeth Well I think they used to have These kind of things And they were making some claims Maybe not Shock Doctor But maybe another company

I think it was another company That was making a claim That it would allow you To take shots better Reduce concussion I think it has something To do with the Those two like nubs on top of the jaw, the mandible bone.

I guess it clips the nerve, and that's what shuts the lights off in the brain. What is that one that says fang double braces? Scroll back up. It's for people that have braces. Oh, is that what it is? I always wanted it because my daughter had braces, and she was going to jujitsu. She'd get choked, and her mouth would get all cut up.

It has a bunch of holes in it, not just one big one big one oh you're not allowed to wrestle without if you have braces in wrestling in high school you're not allowed to compete unless you have a mouthpiece that's like a new rule that should they should they shouldn't be allowed to compete without mouthpieces anyway you don't want to fuck up your lips yeah even now when i wrestle and i bite down when i'm shooting sometimes and i get my jaw like smashed against my teeth i like chips on my yeah chips on my teeth that way yeah it's not good now i wear mouthpiece always i always wear a cup too and i wear a cup because uh i got need in the dick once my dick was bleeding oh yeah yeah again my friend scott epstein einstein same dude he was past my garden just in accident slammed his knee into my dick, flattened my

dick out, like right on the dick. It's just sometimes it happens where it's like you zig, they zag, pop. And when I took my jock off at the end of rolling, there was blood in my jock strap. I'm like, oh no. Were you guys drilling? Were you going live? Because if you were drilling- No, we were going live.

Yeah, we were going live. It just was an accident. It was just just an accident it's just shit that happens yeah but it was if i had it now i wear one of those uh diamond mma cups you ever fuck with those with the compression shorts so here's my thing with those guys and i was going to say something earlier but i didn't want to i just don't think one cup fits all i just can't see how- You're trying to say your dick's too big. I understand. I understand, Aljo. No, my crotch is just not- The diamond cup is too big for my crotch, man. Well, they make different sizes.

It like chafes. Oh, I see. It's not comfortable. And I tried it. I was like, dude, maybe I'm wearing it wrong. I tried it upside down. They must be making different sizes. They told me, no, dude, it's one size fits all.

I'm like, dude, this just doesn't make any sense. Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. Francis Ngannou and Henry Cejudo, one size fits all. We're in the same cup. Get in the fuck out of here. That's what they told me. What are you saying? That's not even possible.

Yeah. That's outrageous. They've come up to the fight events. I've actually seen them in Chicago. I saw them in Chicago again, handing out samples and stuff. And he asked me, how did you like the cup? i'm like yeah i don't want to be a dick i don't like being a mean guy but you asking me this question i feel like i gotta tell you the truth i'm like ah man i just didn't like it he's like oh what was wrong with it tell me i was like one size just doesn't fit all i just that's what i told him i was like it just doesn't fit it's too

big it's too big down there you don't want something that's comfortable so you could kick and lift your leg squeeze your legs together and nah that shit's going to be crushing my sack all over the place. I get it. Well, for me, it fits perfect, but I get it. Everybody's got a different size junk area. And if you have fatter thighs too, right? Like dudes with like giant, like Sean Jordan, guys with giant thick ass legs. Like how are you going to get, you know? Yeah. It's going to rub against it.

But the compression shorts would help with that because that's the whole idea is that instead of, like, the way everybody used to wear it was just like a jockstrap, right? You'd have a cup in the jockstrap and it kind of floated around. Like, I remember in a Taekwondo tournament, I got kicked in the balls once and my cup slammed into my nut. Ah! And I was convinced my balls were useless

after that because my shit swole up like two times the size it should have been and it was all purple and i was like i broke my balls did you have to get it drained or did you just like go down please i was 18 i didn't do a god damn thing i didn't do a god i think I jerked off To make sure it worked Yeah Once it still worked I'm like we're good Oh man It's horrible That's what I did After Einstein broke my dick

I waited that night I beat off Just to make sure it worked I'm like we're good We're good That is funny man That is funny It was like chicken embryos

In my toilet bowl My baseball coach When I was younger Like Just say it I had chicken embryos in my toilet bowl. My baseball coach when I was younger. It just came out bloody too. I pissed blood for a couple days. That's the worst, pissing blood. Well, I knew it was all just dick blood.

I was just like, the moment I feel any sort of infection or it feels like it's sore, it didn't hurt. So I was like, I'm not going to be nervous. I'm going to treat it treat it like my nose i'm like i don't want my nose to fall off either but if my nose is bloody i don't freak out so i didn't want to freak out if my dick was bloody i'm like let me just treat it like it's a normal thing just don't don't freak out and it was fine it's like ignore the lion in the room don't freak out keep moving if i'm pissing blood i'm freaking the fuck out i know i was a little freaking out it wasn't like i was not nervous at all but i was trying to rationalize and i was saying okay this is no different than my nose if my nose was bleeding

right now and i ran to the hospital freaking the fuck out i'd be a bitch right right how many times has your nose been bloody a lot lot. It's your dick. You gotta need that for some things. You definitely do. I definitely wasn't, I mean, I wasn't ignoring it. I was like, the moment it feels, like if my nose is infected, I probably walk it off. But if my dick is infected, I am going straight to the ER. Oh, man.

It's dangerous, man. Infections are fucking dangerous. They scare the shit out of you. Especially down there. Anywhere. Infections are fucking dangerous. They scare the shit out of you. Especially down there. Anywhere. Infections are terrible. There was a football coach today. I guess he publicly stated he would cut his dick off for a Super Bowl win.

Oh, don't say that. Yeah. Then they're going to have the female Super Bowl league. When the female NFL comes along, you could join up. You could be a champ. Nowadays, you can just do that. You just decide, I'm a woman and I'm a champ. And so nowadays, you can just do that. You just decide, I'm a woman, and I'm a champion. Someone make that argument that they said Dennis Robbins should be considered the first NBA player.

No, he's still his dick. He fucks girls. He bangs girls. He doesn't even pretend to be a girl. He's just crazy. I guess, I don't know. He's more of a cross-dresser. But even that's more for show.

He does it for fun. He's too big to be doing All that shit How crazy is it He's like the link To North Korea He's friends with a dictator They fly him over there

He's playing basketball With that dude Partying with him And even giving him advice On like How to get along with Trump And everybody should get along Yeah yeah

I guess I mean if it's working They're not gonna bomb us And shit He was my favorite dude Him and to get along with Trump and everybody should get along. Yeah, yeah. I guess. I mean, if it's working, they're not going to bomb us and shit. He was my favorite dude. Him and Eric Roberts were my favorite dude on Celebrity Rehab because neither one of them

had a real problem. Like, Eric Roberts would smoke weed. So he stopped smoking weed. You see him every morning. He's fucking reading the newspaper, drinking coffee. He doesn't have a problem

in the world. Fucking Dennis Robbins on the treadmill. He's running miles and running miles he's a professional athlete man so he's not drinking he's not partying anymore he likes to party

what is he going to live forever if he doesn't party and Eric Roberts smokes a little weed what's the big deal so both of those guys on that show were like

I don't see the problem you guys are okay like really can you check again Rodman's doing miles on the treadmill everybody else is going through seizures detox and they're freaking the fuck out and rodman's just sweating whoo getting it in yeah he's fine that's funny that's funny man how crazy is it that kim jong-un dude loves him i that's a weird relationship how does that work? There's a lot of guys who

Look there he is Look at that Party Isn't that crazy? The guy loves basketball man Crazy What happened to his lip though? Rodman?

Yeah He's doing a bunch of stuff Putting Barbs in there and stuff No but it looks like Something happened Like it got bit by like A rattlesnake or some shit

You know what I mean? It's like The shit is swollen Well he's always had big lips and then on top of that he's got a hole in it look at that fucking hole that ring that's pushing down

on his lip that's crazy but I feel like when he was in his prime years in the NBA it didn't look his lips didn't look like that they looked like burnt out

looked like it looks infected I think that barb makes it look crazy er crazy er yeah crazy crazy er I think it'sb makes it look crazy. Er. Crazy er. Yeah, crazy er.

I think it's like that picture right there. Look at that. Trump with his lips. It's like a fucking, which lip would you have for the rest of your life? If you have a truce. Like weird downturn lips, gigantic infected lips, or little tiny, tiny, tiny lips. Yeah, I don't know. It's a hard call. It's a hard call.

If you have to take who's look for the rest of your life, Kim Jong-un, I'm going to go with Rodman, because at least he's a professional athlete. He's got a great body. You know? Well, it's weird when dictators get really into athletics, right? Like that Chechnyan guy sends a lot of MMA fighters out. Oh, I heard you talking about this. Wyman was telling us the story.

That guy's like nuts, I heard. I'm sure he's nuts. Like, he like, he said he, I don't know if this is like okay to talk about or not. He's a powerful, powerful man. Yeah. But he said he's like. Dangerous, powerful man. He told Wyman to like fight the other guy and it was like dead serious about

it. I don't know if they like had a, I don't, I think he figured out a way to like get out of it or something. And then Verdun was there. He wanted Weidman to fight one of his guys? I think it was either one of his guys or Verdun. Fight either Verdun or one of his guys. I think that's what he said.

Something crazy like that. I was like, yo bro. Did he want to pay him to do it? Uh, I think so so but it was kind of like one of those like just super powerful just kind of like what he he gets what he wants you know holy shit that's like dude you that's like some get the fuck out of here enter the dragon shit right he flies you out to an island you you fight fight and he sits there in his fucking giant throne that's crazy Asking people to fight

Yeah Yeah I guess if you're That rich And that powerful You can kind of Get away with that But it's happened before We've had dudes out there

And they made an agreement Alright Let's fucking fight Let's go after it right Yeah There's stuff like that Makes me nervous To go to places like that

I'm like I just came here To enjoy the culture Not to do all this Extracurricular shit Imagine if You go to Moscow And you knock out Piotr Jan Oh I'm running The just came here To enjoy the culture Not to do all this Extracurricular shit Imagine if You go to Moscow And you knock out

Pyotr Yan Oh I'm running the fuck out of there And then Then Putin wants you to come over Come Come Come over To the castle

Yeah I don't know What the hell is happening You go in there And Pedro Munoz Is there in shorts You're like What the fuck is going on Rematch motherfucker Rematch, motherfucker.

Rematch. Yeah. Fuck. Yeah. That's crazy. Oh, I was saying, the bed though, man, I got a pull-out couch.

Yeah, why do you have a pull-out couch? This is funny how he got all the way to here from the pull-out couch. Yeah, so Airbnb, my house, I got my real estate license back in March. I finally finished my,

I did like one flip Before in Arizona It didn't go so well But I gained experience I used that as like The cost of doing business So I learned a lot man Learned a lot about

Like developing And that type of stuff You learned that from Rage Now? No We took the course together The same year How to flip houses There's actually a bus tour

Going on right now And our guy hit me up Nick Lamania He wants me to He wants me to come down Probably tomorrow It's in Irvine But those guys They kill it man They're doing like There's actually a bus tour going on right now, and a guy hit me up, Nick LaMagna. He wants me to come down probably tomorrow. It's in Irvine. But those guys, they kill it, man.

They're doing crazy commercial stuff. They're doing stuff in just residential Hawaii. All right, Quinta's doing a lot. He's selling a lot of houses, right? He's killing it, man. Yeah. That's awesome for him. I got my license.

I haven't sold a single house yet since March. Well, I was training for a fight, you know? Right. So it's got to be hard. Yeah. Well, I don't even know How to use the fucking MLS yet So But that's a problem

Yeah So if you ask me to show you something Like send you houses Like listings I should be able to like Comprise like some data Of like things that fit your criteria And then send it to you

On like an automatic email But I gotta learn how to do that So I'm kinda just sitting there But To get back to what I was saying Like I bought the house After the Cody Stamen fight Before the Cody Stamen fight So I'm kind of just sitting there, but to get back to what I was saying, like I bought the house after the Cody statement fight, before the Cody statement fight.

So I'm like shitting bricks. I'm like trying to close. The house was about to, the deal was about to fall through the day of closing. I was like, get the fuck out of here. You're going to close this deal one way or the other. Even if I got to shell out extra money, I would shell out the extra money. So I get the house. Next thing you know, my mortgage is three grand. So three grand plus my My utilities I'm looking at about Like thirty five Thirty six hundred Now when you equate

Like the salary that I make From fighting and everything And New York taxes And all that It's just not very Lucrative Yeah It's not sustainable

There's no way I could do that Unless I'm fighting Like three four times a year Like guaranteed If I'm not I might be in some trouble I don't have health insurance Right now

Really Yeah And this is like Crazy That's crazy That's crazy Guaranteed If I'm not I might be in some trouble I don't have health insurance right now Really? Oh yeah And this is like Crazy shit That's crazy That's crazy You're fighting in a cage Without health insurance

Don't get hit by a car Just don't get hit by a car today If you get injured in a fight though You're compensated right? I'm compensated But if it's like an illness I'm not compensated For nothing like that

So it's a little different So that's why I'm like I gotta make sure I don't get sick I gotta make sure I'm doing the right things Look both ways Before I cross the street Like little different So that's why I'm like I gotta make sure I don't get sick I gotta make sure I'm doing the right things Look both ways Before I cross the street

Like little things like that But uh Yeah so I bought the house Whatever I managed It managed to close So I'm trying to figure out Ways to sustain this

Cause then My mom's in a situation Where she's like Facing an eviction At the time She's going through A five year divorce now It's gonna be

October's gonna be five years And uh It's just my dad's He's a fuck He could be a pain in the ass to deal with in terms of just using his rational, humanly side of thinking. He just doesn't get it. And I've been trying to like somehow be like the bridge between the two. Because, you know, it's been a lot of fucked up years, like domestic abuse and shit like that. So I grew up with a lot of that, man. And my dad, not to get off subject, but that shit fucked me up in terms of like my confidence

like as a kid i mean he would just call us stupid and and all these names for whatever reason and i felt like even till like dating in middle school and high school was tough for me because yeah i was the good looking kid but at the same time it's like i didn't know how to hold a conversation because i was never taught. I was never taught by my dad how to do certain things. And that made me like very self-conscious and like approaching females and stuff like that. Like if they didn't approach me,

if my friends didn't start the conversation, forget about it. If I seen a chick that I liked, I had a crush on, forget about it. I'm not talking to her. Even my girlfriend to this day, we went to the same high school. Never talked to her.

We never spoke. And I thought she was one of the sexiest, prettiest, most beautiful females we went to the same high school never talked to her we never spoke and i thought she was one of the sexiest prettiest most beautiful females out there in the whole high school and i didn't i just never talked to her i just always see her i would smile i'm like yeah i want to talk to you but i can't i just can't do it i just can't do it but now we're dating whatever but um yeah man so i had to learn how to do a lot of that stuff on my own but uh yeah i'm trying to bridge the gap between the two of them and it's just been really tough so she's facing the eviction I got to figure something out now and I end up long story short I don't want to like go too crazy into details but um long story short I won the fight with Cody Stamman so that was huge for me if I didn't win

that fight I would have been fucked in terms of like really trying to help my mom because I wasn't trying to take my money my hard-earned money and throw it into something like a rental I'm like it just doesn't make any sense because she doesn't have a green papers so she wasn't trying to take my hard-earned money and throw it into something like a rental. I'm like, it just doesn't make any sense because she doesn't have her green papers. So she wasn't working. My dad paid for everything. He was a sugar daddy. He did his street pharmacy stuff.

He had his street pharmacy ways. Oh, shit. So he made his money the way he made his money. She never had to work. That's an interesting way of putting it, street pharmacy. Yeah, I don't know Like what's like Okay to say You know Before there's people

Knocking at the door So yeah your son just Confessed to like Years and years and years Of her No no band-aids Yeah yeah street pharmacy You know

Selling tampons But my mom would help him And I just felt Obligated as her One of her oldest kids I know she's got Two kids older than me On her side alone

She has ten kids Just with my mom Not with my dad Like just her alone And with my dad as her one of her oldest kids i know she's got two kids older than me on her side alone she has 10 kids just with my mom not with my dad like just her alone and with my dad she has eight i'm the oldest of the eight with my dad and then the two other kids are from another two different guys so it's just our family tree is like just fucking wacky it's just all over the place like my family has even met my girlfriend's family it's just like it just like, I don't even know how the wedding's going to go. We haven't decided to get married. It's going to be chaos. Yeah, do I invite?

Who do I invite? Who do I not invite to make sure there's no bumping up heads? This is you alone, bro. Just alone. We did it last minute, guys. We ran off to Mexico. We didn't have a party, though. This way the wedding doesn't get ruined.

Yes. But then you have a party afterwards, and then the party goes sideways. Hey, we had a great wedding. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, just go you just you and her and maybe like a couple other people just go to fucking the bahamas or something see that's what i want to do but you see what she wants to do she has a huge family too so she wants everybody there she's got family in california and texas back in salvador i'm like yo it's my special day it is it is it's my special day that I'm probably

gonna be paying the entire bill for it fuck yeah you have to isn't that that special day is so nuts you spend so much money

like shouldn't we not spend this money and just go on vacation that's what that's the way I live my life and also more than that

like if a lot of weddings are like a fucking car yeah it costs like a brand new car. It was a kid's tuition. It's your future child's tuition that you're spending on a wedding, you know? What are we doing with all this money? Society, man.

I think you see everyone, they got the way they dressed it up and they programmed our brains to, and if you're kind of like stuck in your ways and that's what you want, that's what you want. And I get it. I want to be a princess. Everyone wants to be their princess moment. I get it. I get it.

I want to be princess. Al Jermaine. Yeah, exactly. This exactly very important to me aljermaine it's very important yeah i can imagine her listening to this right now like sorry i'm just joking i'm sorry i apologize like i'm married too like i should shut the fuck up yeah you want to be happy this that expression happy wife happy life just yeah whatever what do i gotta do i was like my house i don't have a goddamn thing on the walls of my house. I didn't put nothing up. It's all my wife. That's why this place

is so crazy. She did this too? No. This place is free. This is what my fucking house would look like. It'd be elk skulls and American flags

and Mitzi Shore and Thai Buddhas and Richard Pryor. The Ghostbuster gun. That's what my fucking house would be like. This podcast studio. But if you go over to my house, you'd be like, oh, we're in the wrong place. Joe doesn't live here. That's what my fucking house Would be like This podcast studio But if you go over to my house

You'd be like Oh we're in the wrong place Joe doesn't live here That's funny This is like a woman Or a gay guy Who lives here? I hear you man

That's how my house is Except my girlfriend Hasn't She hasn't moved in yet So she hasn't been able To like put her own Special touches Bring her a mattress

And get the fuck over Yeah pretty much I need a fucking bed I'm like babe We need a new bed set We're just gonna take yours hasn't been able to put her own special touches on things. Tell her to bring her mattress and get the fuck over. Yeah, pretty much. I need a fucking bed. I'm like, babe, we need a new bedside. We're just going to take yours. Her bed is actually pretty comfortable. What about one of these?

Maybe make a deal with this company that gave Jamie that bed. What's that company again? It's called Eight Sleep. Hook a brother up. Eight Sleep. Call out Al Jermaine. Listen, reach out to me. Reach out to Al Jermaine. Let's make something happen.

Listen, if there's something that really does work like that, I mean, I need to try it. That chill pad is one that Mark Sisson recommends. He said it's incredible. He said it's a game changer. It cools your body down. You sleep way better. Yeah. I don't know if it's going to help my apnea, but it might feel better while I'm sleeping.

The other thing that will help your apnea is if you can get to a position where you've got a pillow where your mouth is down. Like falling forward. Yeah. Like if you can, instead of sleeping on your back, which is your tongue is going to fall back, sleep where your mouth just kind of turns forward. Because if I forget my mouthpiece and I go on the road, that's what I do.

And it's fine. As long as I make sure that my head is pointing down. It's like an awkward angle. I wake up, my neck's killing me. Yeah. And I got bad neck from like bulging disc and herniated disc in my neck, just from wrestling And jiu jitsu

So Everybody does Yeah And yeah it's fucked up Do you ever use One of those harnesses Where you hang From your neck a little bit

And to Spiral decompression I think you were talking About one that That sleep mask thing Oh yeah I tried that too You breathe out of your nose

That thing looks ridiculous I tried that Everyone was laughing at me Yeah I can't sleep I can't go to bed With my You know But if you breathe Out of your nose, does your nose work good?

Yeah, I think so. I don't think it's deviated. It might be. I don't know. Can you go, do you do a yoga class ever and just breathe out of the nose only? I've done, I think, one yoga class, and that was in college. That was a long time ago. But if you can, these neck things can you can find them on amazon they're

just a neck harness it's not expensive and it straps to a door the top of the door decompressing like a little click click click you pull it and it pulls your neck and you can just relax and it just stretches your neck out what's it called it's i mean i might know decompression harness yeah i probably could get one of those they'll help you you. It's a good thing to relax your neck. When you do like the incline bed and you hang upside down, even though all the blood rushes to your head, which sucks. Yeah. I have one of those too.

Yeah. That's the only thing I don't like about it. It's great for the lower back. Yeah. That thing right there. That's what I have. That thing's the shit. I got to do that in my safe space.

Yeah. When no one's looking at me. Yeah. It's definitely that. But you pull on it and it click, click, click, click, click, and it relaxes your neck. What's the clicking? Is that the spine? It's like the little notches.

Each notch, it pulls at a certain amount. Yeah. Click, click, and you pull it more. Click, click. And then when you want, you just sit up, and you release all the tension. I just had a terrible thought in my head with that. Jerking off? No.

Because that's what people die from. That's all David Carradine from Kung Fu. He died strangling himself while he was beating off. Allegedly. What? I heard he might have got killed by the mob. Yeah, he died of what they call autoerotic asphyxiation. Do you remember the band NXS?

NXS? NXS, yeah. I was thinking of the car, NSX? NXS? NXS. Yeah, I was thinking of the car, NSX. NXS, the lead singer, same thing. He died from autoerotic asphyxiation. There's dudes who try to choke themselves while they beat off. They hang. That's some next level shit.

It is next level shit. Why? My favorite was a preacher. A preacher. They caught this preacher wearing a wetsuit he had a dildo up his ass and he was choking himself and he he blacked out while he's beaten off and died ray donovan yeah something like that right might have been they might have set him up too who knows he might have been banging some kids that's how they got back at him yeah nah i've never heard of that. Yeah. That's a different way of.

Autoerotic expectation. That's a different kind of. What's it called? SMS or. Yeah. That's sadomasochistic, right? That's sadomasochism and bonding. SM, whatever the fuck it is.

Bondage. That's next level, man. I can never. How do you get off on that? They say that Something about Being choked That it accentuates The orgasm So

Well I mean Come on Hey babe Babe Fucking ridiculous Give you that look You know You know what I want

Time to strangle Time to get that Lasso Stop roping cows And wrap it around your neck We'll give you a full report Look, you know what I want. Strangle. Time to get that lasso. Stop roping cows and wrapping around your neck. We'll give you a full report when I get back. What is this Alabama minister who died in June of accidental mechanical asphyxia, was found hog-tied, wearing two complete wetsuits, including a face mask, diving gloves, and slippers, rubberized underwear, and a head head mask according to the autopsy report

51 year old pastor of mont what does it say montgomery's his death was not caused by foul play if that is not foul play how how do you play and can i read your rule book that shit seems foul yeah yeah he had a dildo up his ass right didn't he It says his bum up his bum Condom covered dildo hey you don't want to get pregnant Right Condom covered dildo up his ass While he was Beaten up I mean that's from like Trying to like hold back

All your sin pretending that you don't have Any sin because you're a pastor and it just bubbles up On the surface He would have had to special order that too it. It's illegal to sell those in Alabama. Good. Illegal to serve what? Dildos. Dildos?

Yeah. Really? Oh, Alabama. Stop hating on dildos. How is it illegal to have a dildo in Alabama? I just heard, too. I think Mississippi is the only state you're allowed to drink while you're driving, as long as you don't cross over the.08.

That is goddamn hilarious. Wow. You can have a beer in your front seat. Wow, Mississippi. Mississippi also has the fucking Confederate flag in its state flag. Yeah, yeah. It's a part of the state flag. It's like, yikes.

There's wild laws down there. The wild, wild west. The wild, wild south. I don't think... Have I ever been to Mississippi? I haven't. I don't know if I've ever been. I haven't even been to New Orleans.

I still want to go there. New Orleans is wild. I hear. It's fun. Nothing but good things. Great people, man. I can't wait. Nice, friendly people.

And the food is outstanding. Yeah. I got this idea that I've been trying to do for like years now. And I haven't been able to make this happen because of financial situations. The whole thing with my mom And shit like that Like trying to get the house For her and what not But I want to hit like

Every Do like a cross country tour And hit every state Hit every capital And document the entire Fucking thing Like a One two month

Like Escapade or some shit So maybe after your next fight I would like to But then I'm also thinking like I would at some point Like to Maybe Have kids or something But then I'm also thinking like I would at some point like to maybe have kids or something. But then I'm like if I have a kid and I can't leave her while she's pregnant and unless she just comes along like.

But then she works and she's in school. I'm like, damn, does everything just nothing ever works out unless I just go. And then you make it work out. I feel bad if I would just leave for that long. You got to win the title. Then I'm like, I'm out. Got gotta get that that big scratch i'm out like i'm out bitches what would you do if you won the title would you would you vacate and just say enough but do you have an idea of when you want to stop fighting ah you know what it's very interesting that you asked me that it's always been i you guys the guys at the gym too has has always been 32. 32. So we're close.

I'm close. Whether or not I'm going to feel the same when I'm 32, being that I'm about to be 30 and I'm realizing how close that is. If I realize my dream and I got the real estate thing, I got a college degree in physical education. I'm trying out for the FDNY. I'm still unsure how that's going to work out. It's just the flexibility Of the schedule And actually being able To have healthcare benefits For myself and my family Whoever that is

You know Did you talk to Stipe? Um No But I have Firefighter friends Back home I know I actually

I think I have one time And he told me he loved it Uh Eddie Wineland too right? Yeah Eddie Wineland as well Yeah Firefighter I think I was talking to him

About that briefly in Chicago Shout out to the mustache mafia Yeah yeah yeah He gave me one of those things yeah i didn't even know he was fighting on the car until i seen him pop up and i'm like holy shit and then yeah he had a crazy ass fight that car crazy that new guy crazy yeah wild it's a wild fight man eddie wineland's a tank he's one of the more unusual fighters when you watch him move like he's one of those guys where you could see him in a silhouette you go oh that's eddie wineland yeah yeah yeah his pants and everything yeah crazy crazy like weird style to try to sort out like he's he's so unusual in his movement first

wbc champion right yes yes way back in the day i remember these things that's still sharp that's back when it was in uh northern california right yeah yeah where was that the little cage yeah it was like where the fuck was the original original wec was like i want to say low die but well i don't think it was low die but it was like lamore lamore california or something like that one of those weird spots yeah i never looked at the location like now i start to pay attention to things like that now, like more where I fall, where the fight's going to be held, and things like that,

because I always end up going to the events from time to time. It is Lemoore? That's right. WEC 20, which 21 was in Lemoore, California. Yeah. That's where they used to have them out there. That's when Reed was running it. Shout out to Reed Harris.

Yeah. I love that dude. He's a good dude. He's a great dude. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, those pioneers of the game, man, those guys who, you know, like Bud Brutsman used to run King of the Cage,

and these people that run these little small organizations where everything started. Yeah. When we used to do it in California, when they first started doing MMA shows in California, they had to do them on native american reservations because you couldn't have it anywhere it wasn't sanctioned yeah like new york yeah back then yeah so like when we would go to see king of the cage when eddie bravo used to work for king of the cage

and i would go with him out to these events we would have to go to the middle of nowhere man these weird ass casinos that's the only place where you could go to see the fights yeah i fought on a reservation a couple times in New York Because we couldn't fight in New York I still can't fight in New York Because I got some medical thing They're not sure if I was born with it or not But I didn't even know about it until I got

I had my UFC debut in Vegas UFC 170 And yeah I had to get a CAT scan I got the CAT scan and I had like two spots on my brain So they just kept monitoring it And I had to go see a neurologist and all that. And they just wanted to make sure I wasn't bleeding out and I wasn't going to just die in the octagon randomly. So they were looking out for me,

but I've been able to fight everywhere except for New York, and I'm just hoping that these guys do the right thing so I can at least fight one time before my career is all said and done in my home state i think that would be something that i've dreamed of for like a very long time you know i never knew this would happen until my debut to kind of just do a wrench into everything do the the neurologist say it's okay yeah i'm clear to fight it's just the wording in this in the new york body's sanctioning rule or whatever i'm like so what do you guys have to do to change it oh i think they say just a doctor has to go like rewrite it

or some shit like that i'm like but why is this taking so long it's been years now i've been like just every time i see kim hey kim hey is the doctor gonna go like change the rule or something so i could fight in new york and uh nothing you know i don't know they're not i guess they're not moving the needle for me so that sucks i guess that in new york they probably don't know They're not I guess they're not Moving the needle for me So That sucks I guess that in New York They probably don't want To take any chances Because it's so recent

That they even got it approved Right Yeah It's only been a couple years Right How many years Three now 2016

2016 I was there for the bill When they signed it Yeah That was a fun time Those fucking Madison Square Garden cards Are bananas

Yeah yeah They always put Bananas cards on in MSG. Yeah, I was there live for the Conor McGregor, Eddie Alvarez, and just the weigh-ins were electrifying. I was like, yo, you get chills. There's something about that building. Yeah. I mean, you think about all the amazing boxing fights that happened in that building. I mean, that is the most famous arena in all of combat sports.

Madison fucking Square Garden. fights that happen in that building and that is the most famous arena in all of combat sports madison fucking square garden i remember the first time i walked in there for the ufc i got chills i was like i can't believe we're here right here i get chills i'm getting goosebumps right now just thinking about it like you walk in that place it has a special feeling man yeah and i just hope to god i could get to feel that one day at least one one day. Yeah, feel it. Come on, New York. Come on. So right now you're dealing with a bit of a thumb injury, right? Yeah. You have this cast that you have on your arm right now. This is to isolate your ligament?

Yeah, so in the fight, I don't know at what point where one of the punches I threw, I guess I landed with the thumb because the UFC gloves, they don't protect the thumb. There's no padding on the thumb. I don't know if I like it or don't like it, but whatever. I've been fighting like that with these guys for so long now at this point, I don't really even notice it. This is the first time I really, really banged up my hand. But it's like the ligament on the radial and the ulnar side that hold the thumb to keep it from turning out. My thumb on this side, they compared it, and he saw how lax it was on this side.

He was like, dude, does this hurt? I was like, nah, that's just normal. That's my thumb. So they think my thumb being able to do this on the other side, maybe it's just my anatomy. Do it again. But, yeah, it's like, it's kind of freaky. Yeah, mine locks up right there. Yeah, but it doesn't hurt at all.

Like, 15 degrees more movement than mine does. But I'm double jointed in my thumbs. So I don't know if that's what it is. Yeah, that looks doesn't hurt at all. You have like 15 degrees more movement than that does. But I'm double jointed in my thumbs. So I don't know if that's what it is. Yeah, that looks like it hurts. Ah, I got tap right here. Ah. Did you see Craig Jones and Anthony Rumble Johnson had a grappling match? I saw, but I didn't get to catch the match.

Go to Craig Jones' Instagram. He wrapped him up quick. Oh, damn. Yeah, Rumble took him down. Craig Jones got a hold of that leg. It's gorgeous. It's a beautiful transition. If you're a fan of leg locks

It's just scary Craig Jones Who's Rumble Johnson Is obviously A gigantic man He's in like He's like 260 now

And Craig Jones Is probably only about 210 But when they rolled But there's a video of it On Craig's Instagram If you find it Yeah it's right

That's probably it. Try it right there. Versus Goliath. Yeah, Craig Jones versus Goliath. Yeah, that's it. Is this it? Let me see. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's a repost he put out. Here's the info here. Okay, make it like a little larger. Presented by Chael Sonnen, Submission Underground. This seems like just the advertising for it, though. Or, yeah, you're right. No, it is that. Is it just the advertising for it, though. Or, yeah, you're right. No, it is that. Is it just the advertising?

I sent it to him. I sent him a congratulations, and I said, well, maybe it's not on his. Maybe it's on my own. Let me find that real quick because we could play it. Dude, imagine about to fight someone that big, and the big guy's like, I'm going to fuck you up. And then the other guy's just like, I'm going to break your fucking ankles. It's like, damn, that's a. Yeah. And yeah and then he goes out there he actually does it you know no it says here i'll send it to you jamie hold on a second yeah hang on a second

all right i sent it to you All right, Jamie, I sent it to you. Did you get it on Instagram? It's actually from Craig Jones BJJ from his Instagram. Weird. Yeah, I don't know. It wasn't showing. Yeah, it wasn't showing up.

Here it is. So watch this. So rumbles on top, and Craig elevates with that right Leg Passes him Boom Locks a hold Gets the heel hook Tap

But he didn't He didn't fight the hands Nope Nothing Not only did he not fight the hands He didn't even wrap a hold of the heel Yeah Like they were still in transition

He had the legs laced up He had inside control See this watch He gets it Flips Rolls it He's got the leg And Rumble's like

I get it He's like Now fuck that Fuck that I'm walking out of here Yeah exactly He's like Alright well

Now I know I walked in here And I'm walking out That's the More amazing thing About leg locks Is Smaller people

Can get away with Things From the bottom That it's very difficult To get away with Because you're using Both of your legs To control a person's leg It's like you have so much strength in in leg locks and so much control

with those two legs around one leg i mean you're obviously one from the henzo team which is that that is the where it all started with john donahue with dean lister said so the donahue and donahue refined that system and eddie cummings and and all these fucking animals that are coming out of there now there's so many leg lock specialists out of that part of the gym or that part of the world like that one gym that henzo gracie gym is responsible for a gigantic evolution in in leg locking yeah those guys are phenomenal to work with whenever i could get down there to get some training it's always fun it's always a battle that nicky ryan kid super young still gordon ryan gary tonin gary tonin leg lock machines yeah uh damien jason rau nick nick uh nick ronan those guys are those guys are animals scary

scary ripping knees apart but you know what they say why would you ignore 50 of the human body i was like why why would you why would you ignore 50 of the the human body? I was like, why? Why would you? Why would you ignore 50% of the human body? He's such a weird guy to talk to. He's funny, man. He's talking to Professor Xavier. Donner is too smart. He makes me nervous.

He makes me feel like, ah, shit. Don't say nothing dumb. Don't say nothing dumb. What do you do from here? I'm like, what are you? Tell me. Tell me what the fuck you're making me nervous, man. I won't say nothing wrong. do you do? Tell me. Tell me what the fuck. You're making me nervous, man. I almost say nothing wrong.

He was making fun of me. Oh, you have a 10th planet black belt. Come on, man. Just tell me what to do. Don't mock me. I'm here to learn. I want to know. I want to learn.

John, this is a judge-free zone, damn it. But he's so smart in his analysis of positions. Instead of just rolling and getting better and drilling and comparing, he's done just like a systematic analysis of various positions, what you need to do, what you need to master, where you're going from here. And from what I understand from everybody, Eddie Cummins is a big part of that as well. Oh, if it lets him out.

Yeah, Eddie Cummins is a master. He's a master. Just so good at leg locks. So I've watched that guy compete multiple times online. It's just like his transitions are so smooth. It's amazing. I think I saw him compete at Eddie Bravo's Invitational too at EBI. I'm pretty sure I was there for him.

That rule set is an interesting rule set, and I think that's the best rule set for, like, if you get a stalemate at the end of, you know, initial time period, then from there you have a chance to, you go at it for a certain amount of time until someone gets tapped. And you start out in different positions. You start out either with back control or what you call spider web, where you, like, have, you're on side control, your legs are across the face, and you have have the arm trapped inside but you don't have an arm bar fully extended and you're like ready go yeah and you start from there and then they calculate how long it takes to escape versus whether or not somebody tapped so if you tap somebody they have a chance to tap you and they have a chance to get back in that same position but if you tap them quicker than they tap you then you win yeah great it's great the only position of that I just really didn't like that much was uh

The back control position because you see a lot of the times the guys Will escape and let the guy end up in mouth and then that would be considered an escape But it's like but was that really an escape if you're in a fistfight Do you really want to be there in that position? Mounted you didn't escape shit. You're gonna get fucked up. It's a good point like right you should want to be there in that position mounted you didn't escape shit you're gonna get fucked up it's a good point like right you should have to escape escape yeah you should have to get out of mount but did you that's what i'm saying it's like when you think about it and the concept like are you are we training guys to mount right is that what happens so i'm i'm not

100 sure on the this geo martinez geo who's a beast he's one of eddie's black belts actually caught cummings in an arm bar he's one of the few guys that i've ever seen tap eddie yeah and this was from spiderweb but you notice when he goes to spiderweb he controls that right leg yep that's very notice that it's very very important that uh for the bridging yeah what's also you you just you could keep control of one part of the body so there's no movement side to side, right? Yes. He's not moving around towards the head. He's stuck in that spot.

So whether or not he extends or doesn't extend, whether he catches the arm there, I mean, you could still defend. It's possible. But it cuts out a lot of the pathways. It creates a lot of control. Yeah. There's no rocking. Yeah, exactly. Even here.

Even here. here he still got that leg he still got that leg and you're always in a bad spot with a guy like geo who's a he's an armbar well he's just a jujitsu master but what weight is this 45 i think it's 45 i believe and geo like his brother richie they started out out as break dancers. These guys are strong as fuck. They have crazy physical dexterity. They can do all kinds of nutty shit with their bodies. Now he's got the nearside leg. He's going back to the far.

Yeah. And this is a bad fight to showcase Eddie Cummings. He wound up getting caught. But he got caught here because they started out from spider web. He's not starting out from a neutral position. They're starting out from spider web yeah you know he's not starting out from uh from a neutral position they're starting out from a disadvantage and this is one of the rare times he's so he's got the arm in that spider web and now he's got like a figure four well he had a figure four it's like a little loose now but he had well yeah it's really loose it's called an arm crush yeah so

he was going for like a biceps okay and then, it almost snaps your forearm. No, it sucks. Tremendous, tremendous pressure on the forearm. It's awful. Especially when you go big guys. Yeah, but it could be a bicep slicer as well. Those positions are terrible. Just a crushing of the limb like that. It's a terrible feeling.

But he eventually catches him here. Dude, your arm is so shot after getting out of that. I know. You don't want it. So compressed You know It's a horrible feeling too It's like

Forearms And your leg And the leg The back of the calf Is crushing it And the other leg Is squeezing down Like a triangle

It's awful Jiu Jitsu is amazing man It really is amazing I love it Amazing martial art I would probably Forever do it Till I'm like My late 40ss, as long as I'm still able-bodied and all that. If you find good training partners, you can do it.

Yeah. The thing about the human body is you only got so many explosions in you. So many times you could push a guy off you. So many times you could dive forward. So many times you could just thrust up from the bottom. you so many times you could dive forward so many times you could just thrust up from the bottom but if you do things with the right technique like john jock machado i don't i think he's at least 50 john jock still rolls and he don't have any injuries he's still a role but he's you never see john jock just like he never goons out of anything

you know if a guy can goon out of stuff? I've gooned out of things before. Yeah. Sometimes you've got to be a goon. When someone catches you and you just fucking, rah, you just explode. Yeah. You catch them when they're maybe resting a little bit and you goon out of it. He never goons out. Everything is smooth and technique. It's all defense. It's perfect.

Yeah, yeah. You know, it just flows. It's not like, get off of me. Yeah. Well, that was what's interesting about watching Michael Chiesa and Diego Sanchez. He flowed. It just flowed. There was no, like, he didn't have to do anything crazy.

He was in control. From the moment he clinched him, got a hold of him, he's just moving constantly, chaining, you know, chaining, control, submission attempts, control, submission attempts. It was just beautiful. Yeah, yeah i i gotta re-watch that fight i was at a wedding when i was watching those fights so i was like partially with my dancing shoes because i didn't want to be like disrespectful so we got the fights up and we're like hovering over the table oh speaking of which shit i told eve edwards we would watch that shit while it's on the background oh turn the tv on and put it on espn 2 if it's on espn 2 or is it on um eventually it goes to espn plus let's see if it's on espn 2 right now five o'clock probably is he said okay word to your mother and other motherfuckers that's me i told him we would watch it i love that dude i'm glad

he's making his way into uh transitioning into uh commentary too he's excellent yeah really good well you're so such a technical fighter that uh he's uh really good at transitioning into uh what's happening with the television oh by the way Just I forgot I never finished my Bed story Yeah well not even the bed Like So Let's go back

Real quick And just to finish it Because people are probably Going to ask me like Whatever happened with your mom And whatever Oh yeah yeah yeah So

So After the Cody Stamford fight I needed to I needed to win that fight Otherwise I would have been In a really bad spot Because of all the renovations I did to my house

Because my house Smelled like cigarettes It was like It was really fucked up But I got in a short been in a really bad spot because of all the renovations I did to my house. Because my house smelled like cigarettes. It was really fucked up. But I got in a short sale in a really nice neighborhood. And Massapequa, I'm in the hood. The hood of Massapequa now. It's not the hood. Massapequa.

It's really nice. It's really nice over there. We have a lawn. Yeah, so. That's nice that you get a short sale. Like some other ones folly and fuck up. Yeah, you can sneak in and take a nice house. It's almost disrespectful.

But they were there. They were kind of happy to get rid of it. To be honest, I think they were struggling with the payments or whatnot. So it was cool. But I love my neighborhood. I don't have real like neighbors. I have side yards. So I'm not in anyone's way.

But to make ends meet, Ibnb my house so i sleep in a basement so that's why i had to pull out because i didn't want to make it all packed up i mean like you know like the little cricket guys i'd be jumping around all over the place i don't want like a ton of shit for them to hide and start like making little cricket babies so so i just so i just got the pullout couch right this is a lot easier to clean. Got a rug, whatever. Crickets in your house are so fucking annoying if you can't find them. They're the worst. They are the fucking worst.

I will find you. And I will kill you. But I don't kill crickets most of the time. Most of the time I grab them and I throw them outside. I don't know why. You grab them with your hands? I'm prejudiced against certain bugs. If I find a spider, it's dead.

Dead. You're dead. But if I find a cricket, I'm like, oh, little oh little fella come on let me get you they don't bite i heard they bite your hands cricket just trust me bro i'm just trying to get you outside i'm trying not to kill you yes i get the little traps the sticky traps and i feel so bad because they just wither away and i'm like it's such a fucked up way to go. But I'm like, you came into my hood. You came into my territory.

This is my land. That's right. You know, so. Snakes in my yard, dead. All of them. You have snakes. Yep. Rattle snakes.

Rattle snakes. Dead. Dead. All of them. People say, you shouldn't kill. Shut the fuck up. I have kids. You have rattlesnakes in your yard?

Yeah. Out here, man. Yeah. Out here in California, for sure. R rattlesnakes in your yard? Yeah. Out here, man? Yeah. Out here in California? For sure. Rattlesnakes are everywhere. I went to look at a house, and I stomped a rattlesnake to death in the front yard of the house, of this house that we were looking at.

Poisonous? Yes. There was a fucking rattlesnake sitting there in the front yard, and I just saw it. I said, okay, I'm just going to go. This is what I would do if I lived here. I'm stomp this motherfucker i wouldn't i knew i was in a position they're not that fast okay they're that they're fast when they strike but if if a rattlesnake is flattened out and he can't see you he doesn't see you coming i'll stomp that motherfucker i just crushed his head dude Dude. Stomped him.

That's badass, because I would not fuck with that thing. I wouldn't if it was pulling back. It's like... But I saw where it was, and these people live in this house that they were selling, and I was like, they don't want this fucking thing here. No one wants a rattlesnake there. In their fucking yard and shit. Smashed his fucking head. I would have been scared shitless, man.

I'm like, I'm going to... I'm calling the exterminator. Well, I developed a real anger for them when they bit my dogs. I've had, three times I've had to take my dogs to the veterinarian with their face all swole up like a water balloon growing out of the side of their head because they got bit.

Rattlesnakes are fucked up too because what their venom does is it digests your tissue. It's one of the, it's something about their venom is how it helps them like eat rabbits and things that they kill. Because the venom, not only does it kill you, but it kind of breaks down your tissue. Yeah. So when people get bitten by it, it's real bad, man.

They have to get these horrible skin grafts and they get necrosis where all the tissue around where the bite was all dies off it's like sometimes you can see the bone i get a rot down to the bone yeah it's not for the weak heart that's why stop it's all those motherfuckers out you gotta go fuck you sound like me or you yeah and i see i'm not big into like the wilderness surprisingly because my parents are from jamaica so you know we have that Caribbean upbringing. We weren't raised in a traditional American home, like the lifestyle,

so we have different rules and everything. And we never really experienced that type of stuff in Jamaica and shit like that. What's going on, Jamie? Well, one, I can't figure out why the drag TV is not coming through the TV, but two, it doesn't even start for another 25 minutes. Oh, okay.

It starts at 5.30. All right, we'll, it doesn't even start for another 25 minutes. Oh, okay. It starts at 5.30. All right. We'll check it out in five minutes or 25 minutes. Does it start on ESPN Plus in 25 minutes? I was looking for ESPN Plus. It's not on there. It says ESPN 2 at 5.30. Oh, okay.

I'm looking. All right. Must be the previews, though, or the prelims. Maybe there's prelims first. That's what I would think, but it's not. Oh, here we go. Well, I like that the PFL's doing what they're doing. Just go up to

the machine and see if you can... ESPN Plus won't work on that TV. I'd have to get it through my laptop. It will be at ESPN Plus at 5.30? No. ESPN 2's at 5.30. This is that problem we had even with him when we were trying to explain it. So it should be on ESPN Plus right now. I'm trying

to get it on there. And then ESPN 2 would be at 5.30. Right, which would be on the TV, but I can't even get – I don't know why DirecTV is not working on TV. We'll figure it out. We'll figure it out. Eve Edwards, shout out. I like the fact they're doing that, though. The PFL is giving away all that money.

I love it. I love it. It's like six or eight people each year. Was it six or eight? I think it was 66 on the show. But a million dollars if you win the season That's amazing Probably more money

I think that's more money than I've made in 13 UFC fights That's crazy You think about jumping ship? Nah You know what it is? I would need to Before I would ever do that I would want to win the belt

And I think that's a very obtainable and realistic thing for me To be able to realize that dream before I would ever jump ship. Because it's almost like what Mighty Mouse did. He was like okay with leaving because he was a UFC champ, super dominant. He didn't really lose that Sayuda fight in my eyes. I don't think he lost that fight. I think at worst, at best, it was a draw.

I don't think there was any real clear-cut loser, but I didn't think Sayuda won. I didn't think Mighty Mouse lost. But for him to go to another organization, and if he does win the belt, it's arguably like you really can't deny the guy is one of the GOATs, if not the GOAT. So that's the way I kind of look at it. And I'd probably be retired anyway because 32 is close. I think as now, you can't deny him anyway. I mean, no matter What happens from here on out

Mighty Mouse In my opinion Technically Is the best ever The best ever technically The thing about him Versus Jon Jones In my eyes

Is that Jon Has faced stiffer competition Yeah I think Jon just Fought more dangerous guys And also Jon Is completely undefeated He only has that

One loss to Matt Hamill Which is a disqualification In a fight Where he was totally Dominant in Where I think it was a bad call anyway. Yeah, I thought Matt was fucking him up. Matt Hamill? What? How dare you?

You confused the shit out of me. I was like, do I have a tumor? Is my memory completely shot? Fuck. No, no, no. But then I look at it like this. See, now that Mighty Mouse is removed and there's new life at the flyweight division, everything is super competitive now, right?

So it goes to show, maybe it speaks volume on just how good Mighty Mouse just really is compared to everybody else. Maybe that's why the division just looked like that. People are like, oh, you're just little guys, not like fighting the big guys. I get that, but it's like the same thing with Jon Jones. But now there's closer competition. Now you see Jon Jones going to decisions a lot more

as opposed to finishing the older veterans who were the pioneers who were the Shogun who was the Rampage Jacksons the

who else has he murdered that Matthew Shank I mean he wasn't a champ but Vitor Belfort like those guys

even though Vitor almost snapped that arm in half that was crazy. Fucking insane. I jumped out of my fucking car. Whoa! Well, that showed you what an animal John is. Yeah.

That he didn't tap. He just let his arm get fucking jacked and then wound up tapping Vitor the next round. Yeah. John is, he's not just talented. His mind is just unstoppable. Yeah. He's just got incredible, his ability to overcome adversity,

his ability to get out of bad situations, his ability to press on. We saw that in the Gustafson fight. I mean, he wasn't in shape for that fight at all. Yeah. They said he was barely training. Bro, I party with John. Not like the hardcore party that he does,

that he has done. Let me say he has done. I'm not sure. Pre-party. I'm not sure if he still parties like that. But when he was partying, I would see him at the bar in Ithaca or he'll come out to Cortland College because Ithaca was right down the road. This was like when he was kind of going back and forth between Jackson's and our gym when I was upstate at Bomb Squad, right before he like officially left.

And then he was just coming home and going back to Jackson's, coming home, going back to Jackson's. And it would be like a couple of weeks weeks before his fight this guy would be out there shots and he'll be like asking me if i want a drink i'm like yo dude i'm fighting in like four like four weeks i can't i can't do that i have to i have a hard time cutting weight for him i was like dude you don't like you know it's not hard for you to cut weight if you get fucked up like this i mean i didn't ask him that but i was like i told him like now i got a fight coming up i'm like but i know you got a fight coming back clearly it does not fucking matter because you're john jones you're just going out there tooling people

anyway how funny was it what he said to daniel cormier i've beat you when i was on cocaine yeah yeah cocaine's a hell of a drug so it's a crazy thing to say to someone i beat you and i did cocaine yeah that says laughing that says a lot though man it does and dc's a fucking animal you know so it's like is it just john jones dc and then everybody else you know he's that good man but i'll tell you what man that tiago santos is a motherfucker yeah he kicked the shit out of john's legs put him in real danger and you know i think john would have made a way easier fight if he decided to take him to the ground but he never did yeah see and i i talked about that fight on my podcast this morning um i do it on wednesdays

tell everybody what your podcast is where they get it oh the weekly scraps you can get it on itunes spotify google play tune in and my website aljermaine sterling.com i'll be back youngin So what'd you say? But I was, see, the way I broke that fight down, I was like, John was always the guy, the aggressor, pushing forward, walking him down, cutting him off and pushing him back towards the cage. And then Tiago looked like he was just kind of waiting and waiting to pounce, like he was looking for John to take a half step where he could time it

while he was off balance and try to rush him and blitz him with those big bungalows he was throwing, as Rampage Jackson calls them. So I didn't feel like he connected on anything significant besides the leg kick early in the first round where he kicked his leg. I was like, all right, this fight is going to be interesting because he's attacking the legs early. But then he started attacking the legs more. started attacking the legs more but i felt like some of it wasn't really like it didn't seem like it was really affecting john the way people like watching it live i thought it was landing a lot more and then when i re-watched it i was like i don't know i have to really like i'm looking at it i put it in slow-mo and i'm watching the fight i'm like well that punch didn't connect that punch didn't connect and he did throw one head kick that john got his hand up at the very last second

and was able to block it the one dana white posted like a picture on instagram um was saying how tough he was fighting on the torn acl the pco and i think mcl and mcl and meniscus his fucking knees gone yeah i don't what was that the first or second round was that first round first round oh i thought it might have been a second but he threw a kick and we noticed his knee buckle yeah okay and um i was the first round was the first round so i was fractured He threw a kick and we noticed his knee buckled. Yeah. Okay. And I was- I think it was the first round. Was it the first round? So I was-

And fractured shin. Yeah. Fractured shin too? All right, fuck. Oh, well that was one ting too when he buckled and he threw a kick. And he was still throwing that motherfucker. It was crazy. I'm like-

Fractured tibia. Tibia. Whoa. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what it was. That's hardcore. Yeah. That's the big one.

That's the big shin bone Not the smaller one The fibula Yeah all the CC's of blood I saw them drinking that shit up Oh my god They're pulling out a quart of milk Out of his fucking knee Look at it And they've already got a bunch

In that little bucket Yeah Dr. Sanders did that right Holy shit man From the UFC yeah I think it was him Who did that operation Ouch More Oh my god Yeah that knee is mangled So he had to immediately Go into surgery Yeah, I think it was him who did that operation. Ouch! More.

Oh, my God. Yeah, that knee is mangled. So he had to immediately go into surgery after that. Yeah. His knee was mangled. Poor bastard. What a tough guy. Yeah.

I just felt like John was still controlling, dictating, like, the waltz. It looked like there was moments where it was like, oh! But he didn't really hit him. Well, he definitely kicked the shit out of his legs. John had to be carried out. In a wheelchair. And he landed some shots to the head with punches, but John moved with them. Yeah, like rolling a little bit.

Yeah, he rolled with them. He kept his hands up. He got caught, but he moved back. He's so good at that. And then he went back. He's amazing at it. He's the best ever at controlling distance. He does the finger range.

Yeah, pokeykey The pokey range No but You put your left foot in He's so good at that It's really insane How he does that shit I'm like dude No one's gonna get past

Those long ass fucking Go go gadget Inspector arms You know what I mean Yeah but it's dangerous When the eyes get in the mist. Because it happened to a bunch of fighters. He's claimed, you know how they have Ronda Rousey collecting arms on the shelf

like they did those pitches? John's got eyeballs from every single one. What this thing is. The whole light heavyweight division is in a strange state right now because it's like you got john jones and then who else you know you got johnny walker who who looked fantastic when he knocked out mitcher circonoff but then he fell down and fucked himself up his shoulder's still fucked up man just they've showed him doing rehab like real recently on his instagram page and i'm like whoa this was like six months later if that's

all he can lift like that's like stabilizer muscles and stuff that's around the shoulder that shoulder might be fucked you did your shoulder i did my shoulder my labrum yeah i've had all a bunch of uh stem cells shot into my shoulder that healed it up but i had some pretty significant shoulder injuries yeah you did you did the labrum surgery no no surgery iator cuff? No surgery. I put on a full-length rotator cuff tear. Okay. And they used exosomes, and it was gone. The next MRI I had, the tear was gone.

Yeah. It just seals up. They did exosomes with platelet-rich plasma, and they mix it together and shoot it into the injury. And I went through the rehab, and then I got another MRI like six months later, eight months later, whatever it was. When it started feeling good, they said, well, let's take a look at it, and they were like, holy shit. Like Dr. Roddy McGee from Vegas who does a lot of the UFC stuff,

he goes, do you know how crazy that is? He's like, your tear is gone. It doesn't exist anymore. That's – I got to see that. That's like fucking next level shit. Why don't they offer that to us when we have fucked up injuries? I'm like, my neck, my back. Wouldn't that help?

Well, I mean, if they really think that you need it. I don't know if they know that you have this injury. Like maybe you have to ask for it. But I feel like if you were one of your top guys, you would want us to be back healthy. Fuck yeah. And as best as we can possibly be. Right. It's not prohibitively expensive

for the UFC either. If you talk to Dr. Davidson or Dr. I mean, I'll connect you with Dr. McGee. I know they were last time I was with McGee. Yeah, he's got the good shit. Dr. Roddy McGee in Vegas

is always at the cutting edge. That guy is like every time I talk to him there's some new thing that's going on. There's new stuff now called Wharton's Jelly that is even more powerful than any of the previous stem cell ones. And I had that shit shot into my shoulder, too.

And that's all in the States? All in the States, yeah. Because stuff in the States now is way more potent than it was just five years ago. Okay. Way more. You had a guest on, and they were talking about going to… Dr. Neil Reardon. Yeah.

Panama. Panama. Hey, they're on another level down in Panama I sent my mom down there Yeah My mom has a pretty bad knee And it sent it down And it helped it

But she's gonna go down again It's heavy shit man They do IV stem cells too They do a gang of shit down there Yeah So let me ask you So what exactly does it help? Does it help with like

Regenerate soft tissue So like would that be like a tendon, a ligament? Tendons, ligaments, muscle injuries, things along those lines, they can regenerate ligaments, regenerate tissue, tears, stuff where you ordinarily would have to get things sewn up. Here's a perfect example. My friend John, his wife had a labrum tear. She had a tear in the labrum of her hip. The doctor was saying,

most likely we're going to have to fix this. It's going to be a big deal. It's going to be months off your feet. You can't put any weight on it for I think like six to eight weeks or something like that. Well, she got exosomes shot in there and then when they went in for the second MRI,

there's nothing. No injury. Gone. That's freaky. Freaky. So she had a little bit of a deformity in the bone of her hip that was causing an irritation against the labrum they sanded down that part of the hip that was kind of bothering her they they like cut away the part of the bone that's uh intruding on the labrum so that it clears the path so it's not that invasive a surgery and then six

weeks later she's good to go i mean she's rehabbing and everything and she's still like they still had to cut her open a little bit yeah but the big one was the labrum tear and all that was fixed so i had a bicep tendon repair now my bicep rolled up i don't know if you've seen matt sarah's arm it's like rolled up he never got his fish he never got it done he just took the fight and whatever um and i was contemplating doing the same thing it was after i lost like brian carraway that was like the most devastating time of my life that was like uh i went off the fucking rails but i didn't go off the rails that's another story i i was just binge drinking i was just out partying non-stop but my girlfriend and i went through a pretty bad breakup at the point

two and it was like it was two fights in a row we got into fights it was i beat johnny eduardo we got into a fight at the hotel and it got bad like real bad to the point like my brother's seen it like she got she has a nice she has a good right hook let's just say to the back of my skull and uh got physical It got physical. But isn't that unfair? It's super unfair. Because she knows that you can't do it back. Yeah. But she knows how I kind of grew up.

Not kind of. She knows how I grew up. And it's a good thing one of my brothers were there, Troy. He fights also. He's pro. That's another story. He's actually a pretty good rapper. But I think that's more of his calling than fighting, in my personal opinion.

He's more dedicated. i would just say that uh so he saw it but he said i remember i would tell him stuff like nah man sometimes this girl's crazy but i think that's all females whatever but uh and he was like dude if i never if i wasn't in the room to see that i would never have believed you that she would ever do anything like that i'm like now you know i'm not fucking lying i'm not fucking crazy i'm not full of shit but it was only had one girl swing at me ever yeah i couldn't believe it as she was swinging at me i was like up cut right hook right hook i was like i don't believe this is happening it was real telegraph she had zero training did you leave luckily i just ducked on i was like i can't even believe this i had to duck under and just get a hold of him like what are you doing yeah it's it's it's i

covered up because i didn't want to fight anyone argue i'm like i just came up the biggest win i finished johnny eduardo i was like it was a boring fight but i got the finish that's when i did the like the decapitating hangman thing and then i start doing the millie rock whatever on any block so i was on cloud nine you know i'm like celebrating and the way the fight started she kind of like she got more drunk than me at my own after party and i was i was like yo know i'm like celebrating and the way the fight started she kind of like she got more drunk than me at my own after party and i was i was like yo babe i'm not in the mood to be holding your hair tonight in the toilet because it's my it's my night and i get you you're happy for me but let me be more happy than you like let me let me be the one really really enjoying this moment

and i just don't like baby slow down like can you drink a little water and that turned it just spiraled out of control you don't think i know how to drink it went it got crazy it got crazy but then um long story short she right hook right hook left hook one of those her hands i think her hand is still fucked up from from till this till this day till this day till this day he puts that hashtag on his post it's everything it everything. It's the greatest fucking thing. To this day, it's a great hashtag. They're your people too. Especially since he flatlines everybody. Yeah. To this day.

But then the next fight, Caraway, another big fight. And we're still like shaky, you know, getting into arguments a lot. And I think we're kind of like six years in at this point. No, like five years in. So we're still figuring things out. You know, we're young, figuring things out. And I'm still like enjoying the the fruits of my labor like i'm on top of the world right now i'm ranked fourth in the world about to have the biggest fight against

brian carraway um potential title implications on the line and uh i'm you know i did a lot of dumb stuff you know i was like talking to other people i was i'm a very flirtatious guy, but I don't, I try not to cross the line, you know, and sometimes, sometimes, whatever, sometimes you cross the line. Shit gets ugly.

But by accident. It's not like an intentional thing. You know, I love her or whatever. And, but then after that fight, I lost, my first loss.

And, you know, I cried in the fucking, my after party. I was at Dre's. All my boys and families were there. Some of my sponsors. And it was a hard moment.

I mean, it wasn't a devastating loss, but it was a split decision loss. I never thought it would happen like that. Especially not to that motherfucker. I was like, dude, I talk so much shit. I'm trying to build that fight up. I was like, I can't believe I did all this work and then came up short because I just shot myself in the foot. Whatever.

And the next day, went to the pool because it was early and she likes to sleep in. When she gets the opportunity to work, she's on vacation, she can sleep. She sleeps the fuck in. Me, I'm like, I'm up, 8, 9 o'clock. I'm out. I'm having a drink. I'm by the pool, feet up. I'm under my umbrella because I try not to tan.

I already got enough of that. And she comes up, where you at? I think I go back to the room and it turns into another fucking fight. At that point, that's when I'm like, you know what? I don't give a fuck. I'm talking to anybody. Any girl I see I think that's hot, I'm going to talk to them. If I get caught, I get caught.

I don't really give a shit anymore. I did get caught. It was a very rocky time. Like I said, i was just drinking non-stop and i was just i was just kind of being a fuck up man i didn't mind i never did like hardcore drugs anything you know i was smoked but it's just hard psychologically to handle like a big loss like that is that what it is he just throws you off you know what you know i've lost a lot of my life you know i i would would think that I battled back from a lot of

adversity, just dealing with the stuff with my dad and my parents, them going through multiple, my dad going through a few divorces and the domestic abuse and, you know, being the first one to go to college and finish college, becoming a two-time All-American. Like I have a lot of things to be proud of and a lot of things that set me back, but I was able to overcome those obstacles. And then to have that happen, I thought this was my call, and I thought I was going to be the Floyd Mayweather of MMA, man. Well, you know, sometimes when you come from a background

where you've had a lot of losses and a lot of bad things have happened, but then all of a sudden great things are happening, and you're moving forward and you've got progress, setbacks are sometimes even more devastating because you start thinking about going back to the way things used to be or the way maybe your parents lived or the way other people you know lived and when you see that life you're like fuck this i can't believe i lost yeah because you had anticipated that you were just going to keep moving forward yeah so when it does happen sometimes it's more devastating than someone who doesn't have high aspirations and isn't on a roll you know sometimes when you're on a roll like a real roll and you lose it's like the worst thing

that can happen yeah because you think fuck i thought everything had changed i thought i'd re just reshaped my future yeah yeah you're 100 right and i i thought i was on the cusp of really changing my family's life this is before things really got crazy with like the the divorce and my my dad my dad came out of jail 2014 in october and from there just been a shit storm like them calling the cops on each other and getting orders of protection i had my brothers even like writing like you know jamal the guy on juicier small small or the guy who made up that fake thing like he got he got uh jesse small yeah with the with the hanging thing and say like people jumped him and uh whatever so that guy they would put like his like draw him on my on my door like

on a picture and post it on my door whenever I would leave for fights or leave their training. I'll come home and me and my brothers, we were bumping heads. And, um, it was like my dad and like his side of my, not my mom's kids,

like the other side, like the other half, it was like them against like me because I was, it was, it's such a, it was such a weird thing. They were fucking with me in the house. And it was like,

dude, I don't understand how you guys see one person, like, really, really trying to do something, push for, like, to be successful or something, and you guys just want to tear it down. I mean, our relationship is so much better now, so let me make sure I say that. But back then, it was so toxic, man, and I was dealing with that at a point, eventually, I had to just get the fuck out of the house. But my girlfriend was there. She was there from all that chaos and shit so when she was like being the negative nancy and i felt like yo this is just so so much burden going on in my life and now you're you're adding to it by stressing me the fuck out i was like dude i just i just rather

just be alone you know and uh just be a fucking bachelor with a bachelor's and like if like this is the way life was supposed to play out like i guess this is what happened like i thought she like showed her true colors But I knew deep down she just cared about me And she just wanted me to do the right thing And she didn't know how to handle A boyfriend being in the spotlight You know I'm pretty sure

You've probably had your fair share Of like battles coming up Like it's challenging And for the male The person Not even the male Guy or female Whoever's in the spotlight

Being able to handle that And do the right thing In certain situations Could be very very tough Sometimes you know Well I think a person In your position too Where you're so close

To a shot at the title There's so many things That could go wrong That could fuck you up Or go right And could elevate you And it's a delicate Balancing act

With personal life Economics Your health Training Trainers Training partners you and it's a delicate balancing act with personal life economics your health training trainers training partners like everything has to kind of be in place if you're eventually going to make that next step and and gain the title it's like there's that weird and there's a lot of stress involved with something like that well you are managing all these things and so any problem that you might have in your relationship goes sour that fucks everything up because then the whole system is all wacky if the system is smooth like you you and your girl get along good you and your training partners get

along good everything's good we're all positive moving in the right direction you have less ripples in the water we're good we're good we're good and then that good or bad can have a significant impact on your future right now yeah no i i agree 100 it's uh it's it's just been a really crazy roller coaster like uh you know and like even going on that binge i that's when i had the injury i remember trying to spar i was like you know what i looked at my life i was like dude I've just been partying since my loss it was was it May 29th

or 27th Memorial Day weekend on a Sunday and ever since then I think I probably drank like almost every single fucking day for how many months

all the way to July when I had when I had the surgery and no one really knows man I was like I was in a bad way like mentally

and to be able to pull myself back together was it was tough man and uh i'm just happy i was able to do it but then i remember i came back i was like you know what let's get out let's get our shit together i think i think it was maybe al or somebody else had a fight coming up and that was like kind of like the catalyst for me to have the newfound motivation to get back. And then I come back and I try to spar. And I pop my bicep tendon. Because I'm just on this binging drink. I'm just going nuts. So your body's probably weak.

Dehydrated. Yeah. And I go in. I throw a long check hook, which I always do. I don't know if you've seen it in the fights when I step back and I always counter with the opposite hand. And I hit guys on that transition going backwards. And that's all I did. Connected, flush, pop.

And then from there it was another setback. How many months did it take for that to rehab? Three. I didn't feel comfortable taking a fight until probably like the third month and then I was like, all right, let's, I didn't fight for the rest of 2016. So I didn't fight again

until I fought a SunStyle in January. What do you do during that time when you have like a giant gap like that where you're not making any money? I fought a SunStyle in January. What do you do during that time when you have a giant gap like that where you're not making any money? I went back to teaching for a little bit. I was coaching the wrestling team. And I was coaching at the high school program at Baldwin High School doing that. And it was cool, but you're not making any real money, so to speak,

because it's not like a real full-time job. So I had to figure things out real quick and that's why i always thank myself for not being like one of these guys who makes their money and just go on these spending sprees and just blow their money like people see me like traveling after every fight which i i do enjoy but i'm smart about it i i always try to do it on like the u the UFC's dime I try to be Be a guest fighter For every single event I enjoy these things It's not a burden for me

To go out and sign pitches To get a free flight To go to Liverpool And just extend my trip And have everything paid for Is that how it works With the UFC

They just let you do that If you want to go Well you ask Oh that's cool And if they have room To pay for it And I went to Poland Doing that

Oh that's badass man Yeah so I take advantage Of these things you know And how long do you go for It depends I was in London For seven days But I went to Poland doing that. Oh, that's badass, man. Yeah, so I take advantage of these things, you know. And how long do you go for? It depends. I was in London for seven days, but that whole trip was two weeks. So I started in London because I had my grandma still lives out there and some of my cousins and uncles. So I went out there, visited them, hung out.

We got shit face. And then we went to Liverpool, watched a fight, Wonderboy versus Darren Till. Crazy fight. Crazy fight. And then the last three fight, Wonderboy versus Darren Till. Crazy fight. Crazy fight. And then the last three days, I saw Kavanaugh. I actually have a video on my phone. It might not be on my phone. It might be on my laptop.

But I have a video of him and I grappling, drunk, in the lobby of the hotel in Liverpool after the fight. And I told him I was coming out to Ireland. And that was my introduction to him. And we became pretty cool ever since. And then I went out to Ireland, and that was my introduction to him. We became pretty cool ever since, and then I went out to Ireland to go train. I got to work with Brad Katona, James Gallagher for a little bit, and get some work in, and tour the island a little bit. So that was fun. Then I went to Poland.

So I've done a lot of these trips, and even courting Uka Sasaki when he flew into Singapore. I extended my trip, and I went to Bali right after because I have some Long Island friends. And I stayed out there for a week. That's an amazing place. That's a place I want to go to fly. What is Bali like? Because I almost went there last summer.

We decided to go to Thailand instead. Have you surfed before? No. Scared. It's a great place for surfing. Fuck that. You're not scared of sharks? No.

No. You saw a shark yesterday? No. Don't do scared of sharks? No. No. You saw a shark yesterday? No. Don't do this to me, Jamie. 25 to 30 feet long, 5,000 pounds. Wow. What? Yeah.

What are you talking about? This like Jaws is real. I'll show you. This like Jaws is real. That's the biggest shark ever, right? It's got to be. When did this get sawed? Someone said it to me yesterday.

I remember watching it on my phone. He just like said it and popped right in my head. What's the biggest shark ever? It's like the shack of human beings. They might have been exaggerating those numbers, but that's what it says. Here's the tweet. What is this from? Twitter.

Someone on Twitter. Martha's Vineyard. George does exist. Watch how big this fucking thing is. Okay. Here it goes. There's the tail right here. Martha's Vineyard. Isn't that supposed to be? That's where it was, There's the tail right here. Martha's Vineyard.

Isn't that supposed to be? That's where it was, yeah. Oh, my God. Dude, it's so big. Oh, my God. Wow. Oh, my God. Oh, my God.

That is so big. Dude, not just fuck with people who are that big. It's hard perspective-wise. That's why the numbers could be slightly exaggerated. Yeah, listen, that 25 to 30 feet, 5,000 pounds, how do you know? Who's saying this? Who's posting this? What is this, Gregory Long?

What does he do? I don't know. I'll look up and see. What do you do, Gregory? What is his actual credentials? He doesn't seem like to be a shark guy, but. It says Wednesday Wisdom. How's that wisdom?

Greg, what are you talking about? Greg, you drunk? He's just a guy. He's just a guy. I'll see if I can find out if that was real. Greg's drunk at work. That might have just been 15 feet. It might be a regular grave.

Either way, it's fucking giant. It might not have been really 25 feet. They have that one in Hawaii that they monitor, right? They have a chip in it. It's called like Deep Blue or Big Blue or something like that. Something like that. Yeah. And that's the biggest one they know of, correct?

Yeah. But I thought that was significantly smaller, like 20 feet. No, this is on a bunch of websites around the story. Oh. You see. Twitter user Gregory Long posted a video. But there's no perspective, though. There's not a boat that you can look at.

We can say, oh, this is a 15-foot boat. Look at it. It's 10 feet longer than the boat. Yeah. Come perspective, though. There's not a boat that you can look at where you can say, oh, this is a 15-foot boat. Look at it. It's 10 feet longer than the boat. Yeah. Come on, Greg. Stop being drunk at work. Either way, fuck sharks, man. Yeah.

But I think you would enjoy it. I'm sure. I'd love it. There's training there, too. My guy, Anthony Leone,nie carlo claus and his brother andrew leone they're from long island but they just been moving hopping around in different places they set up a gym and ball yeah they started in thailand i guess they had like a little falling out and he told me like they tried to like they threatened to kill him or like

threatened to tell him like you can't leave like in a way where it's like threatening like you you're not leaving this place but they left they got out of there and i guess in bali they have like a law where outsiders foreigners can't buy property unless there's like an indonesian like uh leasing it to you or like joint partners or something like that huh something interesting like that which i thought was pretty cool because they have some you can live in a very nice place, two bedroom, very nice place with a pool, with a garage. Get a scooter for like $2,000 for the year, which is like insane. For a year? For like, yes, for a year.

I asked the guy, Donnie, how much he paid. I don't want to misquote him, but I want to say he either paid $2,500 for the year or for two years, something like that. Well, I was like, yo, bro, I i could come here right now live like a fucking king as black parents everybody i'll see you later well i think it's really attractive these young guys that go to thailand and do their camps out there well not just young guys isn't valentina shevchenko didn't she do a lot of her training down in thailand too i think she she did It was either that Or Phuket top team I forget which one But I mean AKA

Mike Swick He's got AKA Thailand now too There's so many places down there Where guys go and train And you see Like a great result too Like Khalil Roundtree He went down there

And came back a fucking assassin That was a fun episode You guys had When he was talking about his training Yeah yeah Yeah it was great Yeah But all these destination gyms Are popping up But that's what they have over there in bali

they call bali mma but it's been they got the food like right on site so you don't you don't need anything you go there there's the showers there's the the food shop and it's all healthy stuff too which is pretty sick what's going on jamie people think that it most likely was a basking shark which is an average size of 11 000 pounds why do you think likely was a basking shark, which is an average size of 11,000 pounds. Why do they think it's a basking shark? Because of the size of it. Yeah, but it didn't look... I know.

What do I know? Am I a fucking shark? I was going to argue that like I knew it. What? They don't know shit. Because I want it to be a great white. That's one of those things. There were a lot of great white sightings in that area over that weekend.

So, fuck that. So, who knows? Yeah, man. Sharks over that weekend. So fuck that. So who knows? Yeah, man. Sharks. Fuck sharks. So basking sharks get that big? They get giant. They have that giant mouth.

But they're not dangerous. They got a weird face. They suck in krill and stuff like that. Look at the inside. Looks like all bones, no? Yeah, it looks like a tube. That kind of looks like the same. Could be. I don't think that other one had that wide-ass mouth. No, it didn't. But. That kind of looks like the same thing. Could be.

I don't think that other one had that wide-ass mouth. No, it didn't. But that might be a wide-ass mouth while it's open, right? Maybe if the mouth is closed. Hey, Greg, do you know what the fuck you're saying? Let me see. That looks different than me, man. One more time.

Big gills would be unmistakable. Let's take a look. No, that's a goddamn great white. Yeah, man, I don't know. Fuck all these assholes. That's a great white. That's fucking scary. It that's a goddamn great white. Yeah, man, I don't know. Fuck all these assholes. That's a great white. That's fucking scary. It might be a basking shark.

That might really be a 25-foot shark. Dude, that looked really... Show that again. That looks fucking gigantic. Nah, it is. I'm sorry for calling you drunk, Greg. Look at that. Whoa.

Imagine being in a kayak. And you're like That's so big I'm surprised those things They don't fuck with people man Like you see a ship You just don't Just start charging into it And like I'm gonna

Fucking knock this thing over Eat something Get a little snack A little snacky poo I don't know I saw the episode Like the little snippet That Dana White

And Matt Serra Dean Thomas put out I was like Get the fuck out of here Did they really go Into the water With sharks I could never

I could go surfing But never that I can't believe Dean did it Like He seems wiser He seems wiser than that He's black We're supposed to be

Smarter than this Dean And Serra jumped in there too Everybody jumped in there Did you talk to matt about it no i just sold a snippet as i've been out here so fuck and it looks like there was like blood in the water too like they threw pieces of meat in the water that's matt jumping in oh jesus they're like feeding her might be dana look at these fucking yeah see there's pieces of meat in the water oh my god they were counting like one, two, three.

Fuck everything about that. Fuck everything about that. I could never. I could never do that shit. This is a dumb way to die, man. Dana White's looking for a fight. How did Matt Serra die? Oh,

this fucking this YouTube show. Yeah, nah. He fucked up. Dana White's looking for a fight. Yeah, why would they do that look at that they're yelling screaming dana's laughing right isn't it funny dana white's worth like a half a

billion dollars and he still gets his kicks doing silly shit like this yeah i mean that show is a fun show because dana's not doing that for money not by any stretch of the imagination he's doing that to have a good time yeah i mean i love that i love that aspect of what he does like dana is a fucking legitimate wild man yeah i never got the chance to hang out with him i would i love him maybe if i win the bug i get hangout privileges or something listen man next time i'm hanging out with you with him i'll invite you yeah i love dana he's crazy he's a i mean he's perfect dude. I always say this when I do the announcing at the weigh-ins. When Dana comes on stage, I always say, without him, none of this would be possible. Because it wouldn't.

Yeah, for sure. He needed a wild man to take control of this fucking crazy sport. Because most people would want to tone it down or change things about it. Yeah. I mean, he's... And the only reason why I did commentary ever is because he asked me to do it. I never wanted to do commentary.

That wasn't my idea. That's Dana White's idea. I'll tell you fucking what, you fucking killed it though. Well, I got lucky that I got a chance in the early days when no one was watching to learn how to do it and get better at it. Because I wasn't that good in the beginning.

So like it takes a while to figure out how to do it. Yeah. But you were doing Fear Factor before that. I was doing Fear Factor and when I was doing Fear Factor that's when Zufa had just purchased the UFC. So I came to watch

when Tito Ortiz fought Vladimir Matyshenko and I went to some of the earlier fights like when Matt Hughes fought Sakurai. I was in the audience and everything like that. And Dana and I used to have conversations about fights. And I would say, hey, you should check out these guys, this guy in Japan.

You should check out this Russian dude. And we were just talking about fights. And I would always be asking them questions and what do you guys got coming up next. And I thought it was exciting because the sport was trying to take off and they were risking all this money like i was there hanging out with them as a friend when the uh pay-per-view cut short because they had a window of time for pay-per-view when tito ortiz fought vladimir matyshenko right after september 11th so it was this big patriotic thing and everybody felt terrible like this is right after 9-11 and tito comes out with the american flag and it was this big deal and then the pay-per-view the time stopped in the

middle of the fight and they just the screen went black and everybody wanted their money back so they lost a shit ton of money and i was hanging out with them as you know just a friend when all this was happening and then somewhere around uh i think it was ufc 37 and a half dana talked me into doing commentary because they were doing it was in promotion with fox sports and the best damn sports show remember that show best damn sports show period yeah they were helping promote it and so all that stuff happened together and then they talked me into dana talked me into doing commentary and i did it ever since yeah so when when did you actually meet him like met him in like 2000 right when they bought it like 2001 what happened was they bought the ufc and then they started

putting on these events in vegas and you know eddie bravo and i we had always said what this sport needs is some crazy billionaire who loves the sport, who just dumps a bunch of money in it to make it big. Because when I first started doing commentary, it was in 97. It was pre-Zufa. It was the old days when Bob Meyerowitz owned it, and Bob hired me and Campbell McLaren. And I was just doing the post-fight interviews. I'd interview guys after the fight was over.

And then I quit. I did it for for maybe two years. But it was just too much work. It was actually costing me money. There's not a lot of money in interviewing fighters. And there wasn't money in the sport back then. And I just did it because I loved it. But it got to a point where if I took a weekend off to do that versus do comedy, it would cost me a few thousand dollars.

I was like, I can't do this anymore and so i quit and then when i got fear factor i wound up uh going to one of their vegas events because the ufc just bought this and they were giving out free tickets to celebrities and so that's how david and i met yeah and then we just started talking about fights and he talked me into doing it that's crazy it's crazy i I never in my wildest dreams thought I would ever be a sports commentator. Yeah, yeah. No desire to do it whatsoever. And I remember early on, someone, I don't remember who it was, was telling Dana, like, hey, he's got to stop talking about weed. And Dana's exact words were, I don't give a fuck what he talks about as long as he talks about the fights. Yeah.

I mean, no one else would say that. Like, as a CEO or a president of a giant billion-dollar organization, no one would say that. No one would say that. It takes a wild man. He's different, man. You giving up on the TV? I have it on my computer. It's about to start here.

Hey, we got it on here. What? That's because it's on my computer. Oh, Ray Cooper start here. Hey, we got it on here. What's happening? Oh, Ray Cooper. There we go. He beat up his cousin. Oh, Ray Cooper's about to fight John Howard. He beat his cousin up.

He beat whose cousin up? He fought his cousin his last fight. Ray Cooper, dude? Yeah. Oh, my God. He fucked up Jake Shields. He fucked up Jake Shields twice in a row. That's one of the weird things about that organization.

Are you doing this through your computer? Is that how you're doing it? Oh. Clever boy. He fought his cousin. Call those dudes. Oh, there it goes. Bam. Oh, no, it's because it's still going through my computer. I'm surprised no one really talked about that.

Why is that thing in the middle of it, Jamie? Because I'm trying to switch the inputs to get that box on. He's, uh, you know, their thing is weird. The way they do it is weird. The way the PFL does it. Yeah. Like you have to fight the same guy again. To get into the playoffs.

This should be wild as fuck because John Howard can crack. He hits like a fucking bull. He cracks. They both crack. And John has fought a lot of high-level dudes. The thing on the bottom line, that guy, he got his arm ripped off in a crash over the weekend. What? An NFL player.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I heard about that. I heard about that. Yeah. What happened? That's fucked up. I just got cited in the crash. It said so.

There goes his contract, right? What the fuck? Yeah, unless they can rebuild him like Steve Austin. Well, he has a defensive tackle. Say the offensive guys, no. They can't. You can't have one arm. One guy's playing with two fingers. JPP?

Yeah, a fireworks accident a couple years ago. What? You didn't hear about that? He has a gigantic contract. He's still playing? He's still playing NFL. I think he's done now. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

He's done now? He blew his fingers off. He might be done now, like as of this season, I think. God damn. My boxing coach in Boston had his finger bitten off in a street fight, and he replaced it with his second toe. Not the big toe, but the second one. And they had it curled permanently so he could always throw right hooks.

Look at that ref cam. That ref cam. I was like, what the fuck is these bifocals on his face right now? The stats are going to show up on the screen, too, like striking speed and how much they move around the ring. Ray Cooper moving in quick. Boom, big kick, taken down. Ray Cooper is also a state champion wrestler from Hawaii.

Yeah, I heard that. He wrestles his ass off. I just found it weird that he fought his cousin. I guess he was mad that his cousin accepted to be in the tournament knowing that he was in the tournament first. Well, probably not the best idea. Yeah, but then... That dude hits so goddamn hard.

He hits hard. Would you fight your cousin? No. Well, I fought my cousin when I was seven. We got in a fight King Kong versus Godzilla.

I was a King Kong man. My cousins used to... My brothers used to beat my fucking ass. We used to beat each other's asses though They would jump me Really?

Yeah we'd jump each other though How many tough guys came from a family Where their brothers beat their ass? Probably a lot A lot A lot The numbers gotta be through the roof Think about it right

Like tough guys with brothers First of all Matt Hughes and his brother Mark Whoa beautiful takedown Oh he hit him with a nice left hook there That was a clean left hook Right? Like, tough guys with brothers. First of all, Matt Hughes and his brother Mark. Whoa, beautiful takedown. Oh, he hit him with a nice left hook there. That was a clean left hook in the transition. The Millers, Dan Miller and Jim Miller.

The other Millers, Cole Miller and Micah Miller. How many fucking animals have brothers and they fight with their brother? Yeah, yeah. It's like a lot. Oh, shit. I don't remember. Ray Cooper landed a big shot. Oh!

Wow. John Howard with a big left hook. Oh, my goodness. Yo, that was. Oh, that was. Ray Cooper. He's out. He's out.

Oh, he's out. Fuck. Oh, John Howard. Fuck. Whoa. Fuck. John Howard. Holy shit. Holy shit. We were just saying that, man.

John Howard can fucking crack. Damn. Jesus. Damn. Holy shit. He's got a huge... That's a nice knot. Let's end this podcast On a positive note

Shout out to John Howard Congratulations That little Bostonian And shout out to Funkmaster Tell people how they can get you On Instagram and Twitter And all that jazz They can find me on

Instagram Funkmaster underscore UFC And on the Twitter The tweety tweet Funkmaster underscore UFC And Oh yeah you could Go, the tweeter tweet, Funkmaster underscore UFC. And, oh yeah, you could go to my website, aljameenstern.com.

That's where I got my podcast or iTunes. And your podcast is on iTunes. And what's it called again? The Weekly Scratch because there's fights every weekend. There is pretty much now. Yeah, yeah, for sure.

Well, thank you, brother. I appreciate you, man. Thank you, man. Thanks for coming in. I'm going to watch these fights. I really enjoyed it. Yeah, we're going to watch the fights now. Bye, everybody.

See ya. John Howard!