The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #76 with Terence Crawford

Episode Date: August 19, 2019

Joe is joined by current WBO Welterweight champion, Terence Crawford and his coach, Brian “Bo-Mack” McIntyre.

Ladies and gentlemen One of the best boxers on planet earth And his trainer Bow Mac and Terrence Crawford Gentlemen thank you very much for coming here Thank you man We're live now Appreciate it

Hey man I'm a big fan of yours We've talked about you many times On this podcast I'm a huge fan of the way you switch stances You know you switch stances as smooth as anybody ever Like you gotta go back to Marvin Hager To find a champ that switched stances, like, as fluidly as you. It's pretty impressive stuff, man. Have you always been doing that?

A lot of practice. Yeah, since I was little, I remember getting in trouble because I used to always switch him. My coach used to always say, you need to worry about fighting one style first and perfecting that before you try to switch and do a different style. But I always switched, so it got to the point where it was just like, all right, well, you're going to fight like that. We're going to train like that. Wow. So you forced it through. Right.

Wow. Now, when you first started out, was there anybody that influenced you to switch like that, or was it just something you felt naturally? It was just naturally. Wow. It was just like, all right, this is not working, so I it just something you felt naturally? It was just naturally. Wow. It was just like, all right, this is not working, so I got to do something else. Just make it more tricky. Right. Yeah, well, that's part of what's interesting about watching you fight.

Watching you fight is that you could see you trying to figure out what's up. Like first rounds when you fight is one of my favorite things to watch because I see you measuring dudes. I see things happening, and you're switching stances, and then when you start finding the timing, it's like timing is one of the more fascinating things to watch about boxing because a guy who has perfect timing and perfect, like when you see a guy make a read and then execute and it's perfect, it's one of the most beautiful things in all of sports. Right, right.

It's like you you know you're watching every move and then you just dissecting them slowly how do you think do you think about it like when you when you start a round a first round of a fight is it different for every fighter or do you always want to do that do you always want to like put them into the computer no it's different it's different like sometimes i just want to go out there and just be like all right i'm gonna see what dude got, see if he can take it. Just go right to him. Yeah.

And then sometimes I'll just be like, all right, I'm going to take my time and, you know, figure him out, see how fast he is, see, you know, what things he'd like to do and what he don't like to do or see if I move this way, his reaction, just certain things. It's, you know, you came to the UFC this weekend, and obviously I love MMA, but one of the things that I love about boxing is when you take away all the elements, you take away wrestling and kicking and all that stuff, you get the highest level of exchanges and punches,

and you get to see with guys like you or guys like Canelo or Floyd or the top-level boxers, you get to see with guys like you or guys like Canelo or Floyd or the top level boxes you get to see what's possible with guys that are training with the best scientific methods and with all the knowledge of all the past fighters I mean when you were growing up who what was the fighter that influenced you the most well hands down Floyd Mayweather and Roy Jones Jr. You know, I used to love watching Roy Jones Jr. I'm pretty sure everybody was a fan of Roy. But set aside Roy, I always watched Floyd Mayweather and Pernell Whitaker. Yes.

I was too young for Sugar Ray Leonard and them. I'm old enough for that. I was there for the Sugar Ray Leonard days. I was there for Sugar Ray Tommy Heonard days i was there for sugar ray tommy hearns that the sugar ray duran i was there for all that stuff but i i watched everything when i was when i was young my coach midge minor he used to always take me to his house and watch boxing tapes that was to keep me off off the streets and keep me out of trouble until i went to the gym is he still around no he passed damn he probably like look at that what did that work out you know we talk about an investment in time that worked out tremendously yeah the it's always uh in

our culture there's a special place for the highest level of boxers there's like a special place of uh admiration and i just feel like with guys like loma chenko with guys like you with canelo and triple g this is a great time for boxing it's fun to watch man there's so many earl spence jr there's so many elite boxers right now it's like a really exciting time for sure for sure do you recognize your place in history do you recognize that like you're you're a special dude? Of course, of course. Like, I always tell people when they mention me and Errol Spence, you know, of course I want to fight.

I tell everybody that. I always say, with or without him, I'm going to the Hall of Fame. When you look at all the things that I've accomplished in the sport of boxing, people that's in the Hall of Fame didn't even accomplish that. You know, so I just tell people I don't need him. He really need me. Well, we need it. Right?

Don't you agree? Yeah, boxing do need that fight. Boxing needs it. I mean, it's one of the beautiful things about when a Canelo and a Triple G do get together. You see these guys in their respective weight classes that are in their prime. It's fun. That's what everybody wants to see.

That's the fight, right? That's what it's all about. You need to stop a whole lot of barbershop conversations. Yes. You need to stop a whole lot of comedy club conversations, barbershop, garage, everywhere. Yeah, that's the fight to make in your weight class right now, right? For sure.

What's the holdup? You've got to ask them. Oh, that's the fight to make in your weight class right now, right? For sure. What's the holdup? You got to ask them. Oh, it's them. Everybody has to hold out a little bit, right, to get the best deal, right? Yeah, that's cool. That's cool. You know, it's all about business. But at the same time, my side of the deal is ready whenever.

And you can see all the interviews out there, man. You can see where if it's Terrence or myself or Bob or anybody that's affiliated with Team Crawford, we all say we want to fight. You know, we had to fight tomorrow, you know, if we wanted to. So, but we know the reality, it won't happen. to so but we know the realist it won't happen but so when would you think that he's waiting for the right time marketing wise or do you think he's ready for the right time where his skills he feels like are able to challenge you like what do you think is the actual hold up i think it has something to do with top rank and pbc oh okay so it's a promoter issue. Right. So it's a financial scramble. I won't say financial

because the money will be there if the fight was ever made. I just think it's, you know... Eagles. Yeah. Eagles. I think it'd be probably some Eagles. So do you think, hopefully,

this is just something that's going to take a little while, but it will eventually come to play? Of course. I think it'll happen. You know, but I'll happen you know but i think you know me being with top rank is standing in the way of a lot of things happening that makes sense that makes sense it's like it's interesting that promoters of boxing promoters work together well at all right you know like you think about it like if the ufc had to work

with bellator and put together some world championship fight, basically, there's so many times. You've got champion versus champion. They have two different promoters, and they have to decide to get together and make this happen. Who wants to get the most of the pot? That's probably what it is. Yes. Or what network it's going to be on.

If it's going to be on Fox or ESPN, and who's going to promote it. It's also like when someone like Floyd mayweather has done what he's done and sold the kind of pay-per-views that he sold and then you know and achieved this sort of level of financial fame as well as like people he's famous not just for being the best boxer but famous for being insanely rich like that's part of the fame because he promoted yes because he promoted because he figured it out and a lot of other people are going to probably try to do the same thing as well. Right. That's just not my style.

Too busy, right? Too busy. Yeah, man. I mean, you got to just stay busy being Terrence Crawford. You don't want to be promoting. That seems like a lot of pain in the ass, man. I'll do all that. I'll do all the promoting.

I'll run my mouth and shit. What about after you're done? When your career's over, when you retire, do you think you'd do some promoting then or training? What would you do? No, I'd just be in my gym back at home. My coach got us a gym and just put my time and effort into the kids in the gym and my five kids that I have. Beautiful. Yeah, that's a solid plan.

You don't need to get involved in that promoting shit he do get in the gym sometimes and work with the fighters do you yeah why's that funny

because it's funny to see him work with him because after about two rounds he was like I can't do this shit man he's not listening

no man it's like you telling him over and over to do one little simple thing and like just say you tell them keep your right hand up right and they keep going like this you're like are you talking about brand new people like yeah like even even boxers that been boxing for years that they really don't have the fundamentals down to a T. And you're like, dude, you've been boxing too long for you to still be making the same mistake. And it's like, I only could say certain things for so long.

And then it's just like, all right, I ain't saying it no more. Well, yeah, your opinion is as valuable as anybody alive. You're one of the best Fucking boxers ever You're a beginning boxer And Terrence Crawford Is teaching you something And you're not listening

You're probably nervous as shit Probably For sure For sure That's crazy That you'd be working With beginners That must be wild for them

I work with all of them That's awesome That's gotta freak them out though Especially the ones that's professional. And they be in the gym, and I be yelling at them. They be on the mix with Bo Mac. I come over there and critique them, and they be like, shit, here come Bud. They looking at me like, am I doing it right?

Am I doing it right? So I just want everybody to win. I just keep them sharp. Well, when someone has achieved that level the level that you have you know like anybody around you that gets a chance to watch you train and be a part of that that's that's gigantic to see something like that in the gym wouldn't you agree just to see like a world champion i mean for just having him around you know in the gym when he's not even supposed to be training or just being around and and the other fighters around, it's phenomenal

because you'll see this little extra push in the guys. Sure, yeah. Or, like, he'll come and run with them, and I can see the smaller guys trying to get ahead of him. You know, so it's cool, man. It's cool. It's really cool. Yeah, do you think about that, how much you're inspiring guys?

Of course, all the time. That's why I come to the gym when BOMAC be like, man, just take a rest, just relax. I come to the gym and work out when, you know, I don't have nothing coming up just so I can show them. Like, even though I'm the champion of the world, I still work extra hard to make sure I stay champion. Because it's harder to keep the championship title than getting there. It's one of the more beautiful things about boxing is there's no shortcuts. None. For the best ever, you have to train. You have to train hard as fuck.

You just got to do it when you don't want to do it. There's no doubt about it. You got to do everything you're supposed to do. There's no ifs, ands, or buts. And if you don't, it'll fuck with your head. And that's one thing I took from floyd mayweather you will always see him yeah working out i don't care if he was at a bar you'll see him running from the bar he got his little workout clothes in his little tmt uh van and he just ran home like you'll see

him three o'clock in the morning. Man, let's go work out. You know, and that's what I admire the most is his work ethic. His work ethic's off the chart. It's the only way you'd be that good. There's no other way. I mean, yeah, he understands boxing at a level that, I mean, he grew up with it, having his dad and his uncle and all that. The family was so many great boxers around him all the time but he you don't get that good without

insane work ethic there's no shortcuts no not at all i i have never seen nobody like put as much work in as floyd so that's why you know for me i'm like thinking to myself i gotta work twice as hard you hard if I want to get above him because I never want to be like anybody. I always want to be myself, but I want to surpass the people that was in front of me. Was it eye-opening when you got to watch him train? Of course, of course. When I was younger, it lets me know that I wasn't working as hard.

Yeah. So now when fighters come to my camp or I bring in some sparring partners or some friends that's professional that just want to, you know, come to camp and just experience just being in camp with a world champion, they all say the same thing. Man, I thought I was working hard till i came up here man you work man you work too hard and and it ain't for some people because some people they just be like i can't do it today like nah i'm gonna let y'all do them too i'm gonna go to the gym but i ain't gonna do the other stuff and i just be like man come on man they're like man my body like man see that's what's gonna determine winning and losing you complaining about your body when you can rest later you know right what other stuff you're trying to get them to do i know you

do a lot of stair running right i do a lot of everything i do yoga i do straight really i do swimming hot yoga too you do hot yoga i love that hey joe i used to do it too dog You do hot yoga? I love that. Hey, Joe, I used to do it too, dog. I believe you. Listen, man, everybody can do it. It's just a mixture of, you know, just all around body working out.

What do you find that you get out of yoga? Man, yoga is harder than you think. You know, you in there, you got to control your breathing. You know, just holding your hands in certain positions is tiring. So them little muscles that you're really not using, you know, in the day-to-day activities, you're using in yoga and it's just burning. And you're just like, man, just holding your hands up like this and going like this. You be like, you be in there shaking like, man, it's kind of burning. And you see the girls and you're like trying to do it.

And it just helps you with your balance as well. Yeah, it helps you with a bunch of things. It's just interesting that more fighters don't adopt it. I think anything that makes your body more flexible and increases your range of motion and then gives you strength. It feels like when I do yoga, like all the the connecting stuff like the shoulders and hips and knees all that gets like this extra stability workout that you don't really get from a lot of other things i feel like it connects everything together good and it and it helps you prevent injuries yeah yeah so now speaking of that like what do you

do in terms of recovery do you do uh ice baths or sauna and massage like what kind of shit massaging um i don't i don't like the cold so i don't like i don't really take epsom salt baths yeah just get massages that's a grown-up in nebraska thing though right what's that cold yeah it's cold in nebraska but i'm used to that cold But I just can't Fix myself To get in the ice tub I never was that type It's hard

Yeah It is hard I be like You pick your poison Yeah I stick my feet in there And be like I ain't getting in there

Yeah It's rough They be like Come on It's gonna help you It's gonna help me next time Cause I Fuck that Have you ever fucked With cryotherapy? You ever tried that? Yeah yeah yeah I did that one time It's rough. They'd be like, come on, it's going to help you. All right, it's going to help me next time.

Fuck, man. Have you ever fucked with cryotherapy? You ever tried that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I did that one time. That's easier. Yeah, it was cool because it's dry. Yeah, it's dry and it's only three minutes. Yeah, but that ice bath, I'll do the cryo.

The ice bath, nah, I'll be sore. I don't know what the science says. What's better? I've heard both things I've heard that the ice bath's better Because it's prolonged Because it's like 15 minutes And I've heard that cryo's better

Because you hit your body With such a high degree of cold That it freaks out And produces these Cold shock proteins better But either one You do those You do massage

You do yoga What kind of I know you do strength And conditioning stuff Watch your Instagram You got a great Instagram Right And your kids are wrestlers

Right Yeah That's awesome Yeah Do you think your kids Ever fight MMA Nah Actually I'm gonna

I'm trying to Convert them to baseball Really Probably In the next year You know because It ain't that much money In wrestling

It's true You know when you look At the MMA fighters They ain't making A lot of money to get beat up like they getting beat up. Like, look at Pettis. He broke his feet, right? Yeah, it looked like he broke one of his ankles, maybe. Yeah, and I at least heard it.

I'm pretty sure he didn't make over $300,000 for that fight. I'd like to know. See if you find out how much Anthony Pettis made for that fight. He did break his foot. He broke his foot for sure? Yes. Oh, yeah, he was walking around or being pushed around in a wheelchair today on Instagram. Yeah, it's rough.

You see people get knee kicked in the face, teeth. Do you look at it as being more brutal than boxing? Yeah. Yeah? You take more risk in ufc boxing more head injuries but ufc more risk for yeah for for sure for injuries right broken bones and ankles and knees and shit yeah and i just think it ain't it ain't worth all that boxing ain't worth a lot of things too because you're seeing people die in the ring. It ain't worth your life at the end of the day.

When you decide to hang it up, how will you know when? Me personally, I won't think I'll ever know when, but I just got to date and age. All right. Middle 30s.

How old are you now? I'll be 32 next month. So you're close. Close. So you have it in your head. Just go out on top. Like Marvin Hacker was one of the only ones to ever do it. He went out on top, another switch hitter.

Marvin Hacker was the only one out of all the greats who lost that fight, controversial loss to Sugar Ray Leonard. He's like, fuck this. I'm done. Just walked away. Nope. Nope. Never.

Never came back. His last fight was Ray Leonard, wasn't it? Yep. Yep. That was it. Controversial loss to Leonard. Became a movie star in Italy. You ever seen his movies in Italy?

No, I just know you. Want to watch some clips? It's hilarious. You can pull up Marvin Hagler fucking people up. He's like a movie star He does like these Crazy Italian movies What is this?

This is how much he made For his movie $155,000 Wow Another $155,000 If he won So Diaz made a flat $250,000 For the win

Yeah They used to Before the Reebok deal They used to make Much more than that Way more For sponsorships Yeah

Cause I got a buddy merce you know yeah i know that guy he's really good very talented oh is he oh okay cool he's from bosnia but he lives in lincoln nebraska okay you know uh real real good friends real good friends and talented kid yeah and they just always say all right well we get paid for this if we win this for showing up this if we get best knockout of the day whatever this is this is marvin haggler as this is marvin haggler as an action hero and this is like not far after the fight with indio too because there's a lot of a lot of shit that was unresolved after Indio 1. I've never seen that before.

Oh, these are the spaghetti westerns, but for whatever year. Marvin Haggard shooting everybody. This is hilarious. So can he speak the language? Yeah, yeah. Apparently he speaks Italian. And he's a star over there. Wow. Yeah.

Look at him. He's a star over there wow yeah look at him he's body shot but he just decided like i don't want to box anymore i'm done that's good for him though yeah you know i mean you gotta get punched in the head no more he speaks perfect when you hear him speak today they do uh you know have you made it doesn't never i'd love to. Yeah, I'd like to meet that guy. He was my hero when I was a kid. I remember there was a video of him.

He was training for Mustafa Hampshire and he's running down Cape Cod in the winter with a hoodie on just screaming war. War! He's all the cold coming out of his mouth, the steam, and he's running. I was like, oh my God. Because I was, you know, doing martial arts back then and I was watching him going like oh my god because i was you know doing martial arts

back then and i was watching him going like that is that's the ultimate champion that's a champion that puts himself in a terrible play puts himself down on the cape in the winter time to do all his training in the cold and runs in the cold and it does it he runs in combat boots too he ran in combat boots and he would just be he was hard as fuck and he just had crazy work ethic crazy work ethic and i remember whenever i would think about being think about being lazy i would think of him running down the beach going war just just shadow punching in the beach roar it's crazy that you say that because i remember when we was little we used to always run in the cold I mean it'd be so cold where the snot is freezing up yeah you tearing up but as you get older you'd be like man I ain't

about to run in that cold I run on the treadmill well you already know you you you already know you know how to fight you already know you know how to persevere you already know you're a champion you already know you're at the top of the game You don't have to prove that to yourself anymore You know how tough you are No, no It'd be times It'd be times that I'd just be like

Alright We need that That hardcore work Let's go Everybody be like what? We ain't going to wide Nah we going to One time

One time We ran Right after Thanksgiving dinner Oh no Right after ran right after Thanksgiving dinner. Oh, no. Right after? Right after Thanksgiving dinner. Everybody stuffed. I don't get out there.

I just get in the truck. Let's go. Come on. Everybody like, what? What? So he made Thanksgiving dinner. And we're in training camp. So, you know, we all got to lose weight and stuff, and pole made, all this food.

Man, we all grubbing and stuff. And then so I'm eating. After I get done eating, I'm like, man, I'm stuffed. I'm like, man, I can't wake up this heavy. I was like, man, everybody, let's get it ready and go and run. And everybody looking at me laying down like, man, it's cold. You for real? So we running with these little flashlight, like the little, you know. Oh, man, like hiker lights.

Yeah, where you go fishing and stuff. Yeah. So we all running. Everybody honking. Do, do, do. Wow. It's at night. It was pretty chill.

Wow. Yeah, but that kind of shit, like what Floyd Mayweather does, that 2 o'clock in the morning workout routine. Every now and when. Be ready to do it always. That's why that cold weather running is big. Cold weather running. Those people that live in cold climates that run in the winter, man, that's a hardy breed of human.

That's not a regular person that decides like nobody's got a gun to your head it's not your job you decide to put your fucking running shoes on and lace up and go out there when it's zero it's kind of like when before i fought america and i was down there shadowboxing in in the snow in that blizzard oh yeah I put it on I put it on on my Instagram everybody was like oh he training for Spence

like I'm fighting God 10 inches that day 10 inches that day it was blizzard and we actually got knocked off a couple days from leaving

leaving for training camp yeah wow cause it was so much fucking snow dude but there's something about that like even you talking about it you know it's kind of fucking snow dude but there's something about that like even you talking about it you know it's kind of wild you're out there boxing in the snow shadow boxing

in the middle of a blizzard something wild about that but it's crazy though because when it's snowing it's not that cold right it's true isn't it yeah like insulates a little bit some weird way i was just sitting in the house and it was just like man go outside and do something so i went outside ran a little bit and then i come home and i was like come here he's like what like come and record me shadow boxing and stuff after i ran so it was cool so when when i see you doing those uh those stair runs you do that quite a bit right right every sunday where you do that at don't probably want to tell anybody where you go. They know. They know?

It's in Colorado Springs. Oh, okay. That's a famous spot, right? Yeah, Manitou Springs. How many steps is that, that whole thing? Something crazy, right? A thousand. It's a mile and a half up, I believe. No, it's a mile.

A mile up a hill. How long does it take you to get up there? Probably like 35 minutes, 34. That's a fucking horrible run. A mile and a half up a hill. you're not running we walk but some people run it oh you walk it yeah that's insane them people that be running insane because the air getting thinner and thinner as you go and then the steps you got some steps that's like this that's small and then you got some steps where you got to really reach. Oh. Like. So if you're running and you slip.

Yeah. That's a fucked up tumble. Yes, for real. Okay. For real. Yeah. Like, when you up at the top, it feel like you in the clouds sometimes. Like, looking down, like the cars is straight shot.

Would you do your training camp up there? Yeah. In Colorado Springs? Right. Just for the altitude? Yeah. I actually got your training camp up there in Colorado Springs? Right. Just for the altitude? Yeah. I actually got a house up there. Oh, really? You just go back and do it for each camp?

What made you decide to do your camps out there? Just to get away from home, you know, clear my head, get away from all the negativity. And I've been doing it since 2013. 13? Yeah, 13. Yeah, 2013. 2013. So do you have a gym set up at the house? Oh, that's nice.

I saw like Canelo had something like that down in San Diego. There was a thing when he was training for one of his fights. They just rented a house, turned the garage into a boxing ring. So you do that kind of thing? You have it all set up out there? Yeah. A lot of guys do that at Big Bear too, right? Yeah.

It's similar to that. Yeah, having having that high altitude is that what you prefer like like for for your wind yeah that that helped my wind but at the same time everything is is already set up like everything from the yoga to the swimming to the gym to everything it's like a second home to me so it's not like i gotta go looking to find where i'm gonna do this where i'm gonna do this it's like everything is everything and you know my family come up there and visit me and we get the job done it's all locked in right now when you go up there who sets your schedule as far as what your daily routine is? I do. You set everything, yoga, everything?

Well, it's two more coaches that helps me. Salo Diaz and Red Spikes. So we all get together. We make a calendar like a month in advance. Now, when you do things like when you add in yoga and swimming, how do you know when to put those in? Well, everything was always it started off with a trial and error back in 2013 grab that microphone pull it up close to it there you go like i said it's moving around it moves all over the place all right and like i said

it's done with a trial and error 2013 you know we tried this and we tried that and we started doing this and we started doing that and then you know just just look at the fighter and just see if it is if it's working for him you know and if it's working for him you want to stick with it and then you start adding little small things into it like the yoga and the swimming the running the you know the incline and so um after so many amount of years i think we've been since 13 i mean he just worked like clockwork now now do you monitor in your heart rate or how do you know like do you do doing any of that stuff while you're training nothing just go by feel yeah yeah there's a two schools of thought right the schools of thought is like the old way is the best way

like just do hard shit chop wood yeah you know run do the do the standard stuff and there's other people that watch their macros and you know they're you know you're smiling you're not watching i know what you're talking about but i don't we don't do none of that yeah i think we train more or less like the old school way but we do got like some of the new stuff in like the strength and condition we got the strength and condition. We got the strength and condition guy, Jamie Belt. He's excellent. And he kind of adds a little stuff, new modern age stuff into the workouts. Like sometimes I'll be wanting to do more, and he'll be like, no, that was enough for you. Like you might not think you did enough, but trust me, you'll feel it tomorrow.

And you wake up tomorrow, and you're like, God damn, I don't really get sore. and you wake up tomorrow and you like, God damn, like, I don't, really, it is sore. But there's sometimes,

like, I'll add in some stuff and just, you know, try to make things different. He look at me saying, nah, bro,

we not doing that. Cause you already be like, dead, and he be like, trying to add extra stuff or he'll be like, one more round. All right,

come on, one more round. And then you'll do that one more round and he'll be like, all right, we got one more round, y'all. he'll be like one more round all right come on one more round and then you'll do that one more round and they'll be like all right we got one more round y'all you'd be like man you'd be like man i just pushed everything out of that last round because you said that was the last round well come on baby come on i'm not about to argue with you so you can be great so it's like all right with a fighter it's like there's a there's got to be a balancing point right like you don't want to do too much right so like when that guy told you like that's enough for today and you like want to keep going that's the natural inclination is to work harder yeah

it's that weird balancing point where you got to figure out when you're over training right so if you're not monitoring your heart rate or anything like that you just basically if you have a flat day you feel flat you just chill out yeah yeah like sometimes sometimes boy always asks me before we go work out how you feeling how you feel like i'm good but i'm good or sometimes i'll be like man i'm tired like he'll be like all right well we're just gonna coast today like if it's sparring day he'll be like all right well don't be trying to do too much we're just gonna spar hit the mitts get out we ain't gonna do no bad we ain't gonna do nothing extra and then after i do the bag and sparring i mean not the bag but the mitts and spar i might be feeling good and i'd be like man let's do it like no you say you weren't feeling good at first listen come on let's go that's the hardest part right yeah to pull it to know when to pull it back right because

he knows me he been with me since the beginning so he knows just by looking at me you know what type of day i'm having like either in the gym or outside the gym that's got to be important isn't it like knowing him from the time when he was younger and just starting out to today it's definitely his way it plays a big part in the relationship as far as, like I say, inside the ring and outside the ring. Because, you know, as a trainer, you'll never want your fighter to overtrain. You'll never want him to undertrain. But I'll never have to worry about him undertraining because he's always in the gym.

But I do have to worry about him overtraining because he's always in the gym. You I do have to worry about him overtraining, you know, because he's always in the gym. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Like you said, some days it'll be like, I mean, we're going to pull back this week. Why, man? He's been training already for eight weeks, you know. So, and we still got one or two more weeks to go before we hit the down, the actual peak point.

You know, all right, we'll pull back, you know. And then sometimes he'll get hard-headed and say, no, come on, man, let me do a little bit more. All right, do a little bit more, but don't do too much. You ain't got to put your all into it. Just move around a little bit. You got to do basically all fighters like that, especially good fighters, because most good fighters like Terrence and other fighters, Jamel Henry, Steve Nelson,

you got to pull them guys back. You always got to pull them back because they always want to go, go, go, go, go, go. Because they always got this winning. I got to fucking win. I got to fucking win. I understand that. I want you to fucking win too, but I don't want you to break your body down. I don't want you to do your boxing inside the gym.

You got to have something left when you go to the the fight that's a lesson that's very hard for young guys to learn right oh yeah oh yeah yeah but it's so critical to know where your body is and at this stage your career i would imagine you just kind of feel it you know exactly when you're in training camp and you're gearing up for fight is that how it feels like you know where you're at like oh this is where i'm supposed to be. I feel this right here. This is normal. It's funny, though, because every fight, every single fight before the fight, you know, Bomek always waiting to hear me be like, oh, man, I'm ready.

I'm ready. Like sometimes it be a week before the fight. Sometimes it be two week before the fight. Sometimes it be two weeks before the fight. But when he hear it, that's what I've been waiting on. It's like now I'm comfortable. Because, like, sometimes he just be like, he'll look at me. I'll be working and stuff, and then he don't say nothing. But then when I come to him Like yeah I'm ready

He be like He said he ready He said he ready Yeah You see You get that from the fighter You know what I'm saying Right

Fuck that shit man I'll beat this motherfucker's ass Yeah Well because you guys Know each other so well And you work together so long Like you must like say Okay here we are

We're where we're supposed to be Right You've been there Falls right into place. My biggest thing that I always told Bo, ever since I was an amateur, because I remember losing a couple of fights because I didn't train as hard and I got tired,

and I couldn't really do too much, and I always told Bo, I said, Bo, if I'm in the best shape that I possibly can be in, nobody beat me. Nobody. Then Bo was like, I know. That's why you need to quit bullshitting. So it just got to the point. That's a real friend.

That's a real trainer and a real friend. So it just got to the point where I just started training real, real hard. And I was just training not to get it. How old were you when this happened? I was a teenager. I just started training not to get tired. If I can go in there and fight and not get tired, I'm going to win. That's what I always said.

So the switch flipped. Yeah. You figured it out. I was losing to people that I shouldn't have lost to. Just head down, just swinging all wild, but they was in shape. And I was trying to be all cute and slick and get tired. Now it's a matter of life and death, me holding, they pushing me. I'm falling all over the place as a little kid. And I was just like, I'll never get that tired ever again in a fight.

That is such an important lesson for young fighters to hear. Such an important lesson that there's no shortcut. When you look at a guy like Terrence Crawford, you say, well, that guy must be insanely talented. His timing, his reads on people, the ability to switch stances. He said, well, yeah. How'd that come about? That talent came about through relentless hard work. That's what makes that talent emerge.

I'm sure you have an amazing inclination for boxing. Every elite of the elite fighter does. But you don't get to be there without any hard work. It doesn't exist. There's no way. There's no way. It's so important for young fighters to hear. That's what a lot of guys don't see is that hard work in the gym.

You know what I'm saying? Hard work at home. When you look at any top fighter and you look at all the sacrifices they make just to be where they at and you have people taking shots at them and stuff and they be like, man, you don't know what I didn't put my body through to be here today

or you didn't know what I went through. And it's just like total disrespect for somebody that haven't even stepped foot in the ring to be trying to critique you when they ain't they ain't even stepped foot to get punched in the face before they can never really understand though right no one could ever really understand what it takes to be an elite boxer when your whole the future of your family the future of yourself your financial success and all the people around you is dependent on you navigating the most shark-filled waters in professional sports a bunch of trained killers with their hands everybody's real good at knocking other people out with their hands and you're successfully navigating those waters like no

no one really understands that other than you right You and all the other people like you. I mean, people on the outside that are close to you kind of get it a little bit. You are the only one who's ever going to be able to understand that. So all these people are talking shit. Like, they might as well be speaking a language they don't even know what the meaning is. Facts. It's nonsense. They're saying nonsense.

And it's just like you got a bullseye on your head and your back. Because you reverse. First, you had your eye on somebody. And you was like, man, I got to beat this dude. After this dude, I got to beat this dude. So you was eyeing that person that was in your shoes, you know, that was once champion of the world. Like I was eyeing Ricky Burns when I was coming up.

You know, and after I beat him, now everybody's I and me because I'm champ now. So it's no more Ricky Burns. It's Terrence Crawford. We got to get Terrence Crawford. He's the champ. So now it's like, damn, everybody wants your head. So now you've got to train even harder to keep the title. Do you ever have guys show up at your gym, talk shit, like Shannon Briggs style?

Nah, we ain't. Ain't nobody coming to Omaha man let's go champ Shannon Briggs were if you were his weight class he would show up in Omaha no

let's go champ no Shannon Briggs Shannon Briggs he's hilarious he would leave Omaha the same way he came in he the man got beat up

by somebody you ever see what he did To Vladimir Klitschko When they cut each other And that No when they were Well there's a couple times One at a restaurant

Pouring water on his head But two He cut himself Oh that's right From the broken glass Right But the other time He was on a wakeboard

Or on a paddle board And Shannon came by In a boat And knocked him off The fucking paddle And the wave fell on him. That's why I think that was staged. Do you think it was staged?

I think it was staged. Seems like it was staged. Because, like, man, how do you know where this man at every single time he goes somewhere? That's a good point. That's a good point. And then you just so happen to have some good cameras getting the footage. It's true. They want some good cameras.

But Shannon wisely would travel with good cameras and then just start making these scenes. He never fought him. Yeah, he did never fight him. I think he fought him when he was younger or something. Knocked him out or something like that. Vitale. Vitale knocked him out. Yeah.

He fought the older brother, Vitale. Yeah, he was a monster. Yeah. That's who he fought, right? I believe he fought Vitale. Vitale. That's how you say it? Vitale.

Vitale. That's how you say it. Vitale. Vitally. That's how you say it. Vitally. That guy had an iron jaw. The brother. Nobody could knock out the brother. It was crazy. That guy would just take bombs.

Remember when he fought Lennox Lewis? Yeah, vitally. Yeah. Took bombs. I mean, that guy was so goddamn durable. He would have won that fight if he wouldn't have got that cut. Giant cut. Yeah.

He was winning. What a weird style, too, right? Right. He had one of the most awkward, like so strange watching him throw punches, but it was effective. He reminded me of Drago off of Rocky. Yeah, a little bit. That guy's a doctor. He's got a PhD.

I think he speaks like five languages. What did they call him? Dr. Iron Fist? Wasn't that his name? What a character. It's interesting, too. Like, the heavyweight division has now become the focal point of boxing again. It's very exciting.

That's good. Yeah, for a long time. Vladimir Klitschko was the heavyweight champion of the world. And for whatever reason, nobody gave a fuck. It was weird. Because he was dominating for all those years. He was jabbing clutch jabbing clutch i think it was because we didn't have the american champion yeah you know for sure so everybody

was like ah forget it they're probably something to do with it but if he was fighting and like if he was fighting the way dionte wilder does who cares if he's from the moon right you know he's starching people like that like we want to see that guy fight like you don't care if that guy's from fucking brazil or wherever he's from when he when you're laying there right here good night god damn it's one of those punches where people just go you see people in the audience god he hits hard even when he don't fully extend it'd be like the crazy thing is when he fought Tyson Fury he was 209 209 that's nothing and he punches so fucking hard it's crazy that dude is an anomaly the fact that he won a bronze medal in the olympics three years after taking up boxing right it's insane it's just insane yeah because there are a lot of people they asked me because we was in the same, you know, trials in 2007.

And it was like, do you ever remember Deontay Wilder and the amateurs? I said, man, he came out of nowhere cracking people. I said, man, he never went on none of the duels or nothing. He just came out of nowhere. Yeah, he's all the top guys in the heavyweight division. Crazy. That's a, he's a unicorn, you know. When you look at his record, what is it like?

39 knockouts out of 41 fights? Is it something like that? 40 knockouts. 40 knockouts out of 41 fights? Oh it something like that 40 knockouts 40 knockouts Out of 41 fights Oh it's four Yeah 39

Yeah it's two Only two fights What is it The first one Was it Brazil No no Brazil he just knocked out Who went the distance

Oh Stiverne Stiverne went the distance In their first fight Stiverne Yeah And then he flatlined him In the second fight

That crazy one. So he hits dudes. They go flying, man. People go flying. He got the right last name. Because he get wild in the mug. And once he get wild, he start. How about that interview?

To this day. The dude interview him was like, shit, what did I do? What the fuck did I do? And then he uses hashtag till this day the dude interviewing was like shit what did I do what the fuck did I do and then he uses hashtag till this day he uses that all the time

on his Instagram so that guy gets shell shocked he gets PTSD every time he reads hashtag till this day he's like no hey it's funny though

because we all we all be saying that now we be like till this day I ain't going back to that store. To this day. So everybody just... Yeah, he took that

phrase over. That was a phrase that he just owned. He took it over. That's his now. That's his. To this day, that's his. One interview. To this day. One interview. One interview before a fight. He's getting geared up. But you see the look.

Oh, my God. It's terrifying. It's fucking terrifying when you know how hard that guy hits and he's mad at you. You're like, shit. This motherfucker about to knock me out. Even if you know for sure 100%, he would never do that. It's like you're in the room with a lion. Like, oh, no.

And he's aggressive. Please, Mr. Lion. Oh, you sure this thing's trained you sure it's not gonna eat me he's so he's there dude that must have been terrifying please blink he is fully geared up and ready for war before this fight that is that fight. That is hilarious. That is hilarious. So this whole division now, if you look at the heavyweight division

between Andy Ruiz who just beats Anthony Joshua and then they're going to try to figure out... They were going to try to do that in Saudi Arabia, but apparently Andy's like, eh. We're going to fight in America. He should have took it. A big money fight. I'm sure. Well, they're still going to do it. They He should have took it. In Saudi Arabia? A big money fight.

I'm sure. Well, they're still going to do it. They're just arguing over where it takes place. So Saudi Arabia, is it off the table now? I don't know. Who knows, man? I mean, you guys know better than me. It's a lot of gamesmanship, right?

Like what you were talking about before, ego and stuff. Same kind of deal, I'm sure, is the Errol Spence Jr. fight. Same kind of deal. They're jockeying to see who could get the andy's worried about him yeah he's worried about taking some mexican supplements while he's over in another country that they won't test him so he should have vada or yes right testing that is going to go over there and you know test the fight yeah that's uh that's one of the reasons why people are going to love a dude like andy ruiz as a champion champion. He looks like a regular folk. He's got a lot of extra body fat.

He's a bad motherfucker, but Anthony Joshua looks like he was made in a lab. He's got a perfect physique. It's crazy how big that dude got. He's huge. Because, man, he wasn't that big at first. But now he's slimming down. But I think he put on a lot of weight to you know carry with vatomir is that in my clitchcoe clitchcoe is that when he put all the weight on yeah i think

so yeah what kind of testing they do for that fight uh they test you for everything but do they test you for everything at the weigh-ins no see see me, me, I'm with the Vada. You're in the full testing pool. So they show up at 6 o'clock in the morning, the whole deal. Yeah, they can test me right now if they wanted to. So they might be waiting

outside right now. It's cool because I'm good. But when he fought Vladimir and he got all big, would they do any kind of water testing? I don't know what type of contract or what they sign for on on their contract on their fight contract but i know me when i'm in training

camp they come whenever they come six o'clock in the morning and turn around and come to six o'clock at night if they want to that's a point of diminishing returns when you get too much muscle right like you can make you stronger but that that's gonna need a lot of diminishing returns when you get too much muscle, right? Like it can make you stronger, but that's going to need a lot of oxygen too. And if your body's not used to it, if this is over the course of like a year or two, all of a sudden you've got this extra muscle, like are you a fan of guys lifting a lot of weights and looking that big? No, no, no. Lightweight, yeah. Lightweight just to stay strong.

Yeah. Well, I have Evander Holyfield. We're scheduling Evander Holyfield. I'm excited. I'm a huge evander holyfield fan but he was one of the rare guys that put on the mass and moved up from cruiserweight to heavyweight and fucking still never got tired i mean evander never got tired because he put the work crazy work ethic and he was a guy that got thick and muscular but it didn't slow him down It enhanced him You know Especially when you get into

Like the Tyson fights Like That muscle didn't Hold impact at all And he was fucking jacked I mean he was He was In comparison to

Cruiserweight Evander Holyfield Do you look at Heavyweight Evander Holyfield Like the Riddick Bowe fights God Yeah he did He did swell up a lot

Fuck he was jacked He was cut though Yes Chiseled Yeah That's what Joshua should do. Should cut down a little bit, chisel up, and get mobile. Do you think, and this was something that he got mad at Lennox Lewis for saying, that he needs to change camps.

Do you think that makes sense? Maybe he should sit down with his team and figure out where they went wrong at. I don't think it should change everything. The word was that he had gotten knocked out in training. Mm-hmm. You heard that as well?

By Joey. Well, if Terrence Crawford heard it, shit's got to be real. That's what I'm saying. I'm just going, I'm putting it on Twitter now. I won't say it feels real or fake. I'm just saying I heard it.

You heard it, yeah. But you know. Most people heard that. Rumors go around and everybody hear it and it's not even true. That could happen, right? Like Richard Gere with that gerbil up his ass.

Remember that one? Do you remember that rumor? I heard that. Everybody heard that. You never heard that? He said a gerbil up his ass? You heard it, right? Yeah.

Tell them the rumor. I just heard the rumor. I don't know why it happened. When we were kids, there was a rumor that Richard Gere had to go to the hospital to get a gerbil taken out of his ass. Now, I grew up on the East Coast. My friend Eddie grew up in California. He heard the same story.

I was like, this is the same goddamn rumor. Like, how did this rumor get across the country? We're the same age. No internet. The rumor made it all the way across the country when we were in high school. So was it true or not? Probably not. I think you'd get a gerbil out yourself.

You don't need to go to a hospital. It's not worth the embarrassment. You'll take some time and go to the store and buy some tweezers. All right. But you don't need to go to the hospital. Just get a mirror and some tweezers. We can handle this. We don't need to let everybody know our business.

All right. The other one was Rod Stewart. Rod Stewart. There was a rumor when we were in high school. It was pre-high school. Rod Stewart had swallowed a bunch of jizz and had to go to the hospital and get his stomach pumped.

There's probably some guy who Rod Stewart fucked his girlfriend and he started spreading his rumor. The band guy? Yeah. That's probably true.

I don't think so because I think, look, when I hosted Fear Factor, we made people drink cum They had to drink They had to drink donkey cum You could drink it

You could drink a lot of it And you're fine I don't think you have to go to the hospital I don't feel like it's over with My experience on Fear Factor Taught me that I don't believe that Rod Stewart

Never had that real problem Hey so Did you ever do any of those Attempts I ate some shit They wouldn't let me try any of the stunts Because of insurance purposes Or you know They had a clause the insurance doesn't let the host just try it out for fun like i wanted to drive some of the cars off buildings and shit but they wouldn't let me

do we had one where they hit a ramp off the top of a building they hit a ramp and the ramp flipped the car through the air and they flew and they landed on these cardboard boxes they stacked these cardboard boxes up like several stories high And that's how they would get these cars to land softly so the car would boom hit the cardboard box and just slowly Sink down and then they would use a crane flip the car over and then they could use that car again It didn't even get damaged wow so these people would fly this fucking car It looks like the craziest amusement park ride ever and you want wanted to do it. I'm like, oh, fuck yeah, I wanted to do it, man. And I'm like, come on, let me do that one.

It looks easy. I'm like, I'll do it for the promo. Like, come on. That'd be cool with jumping out the plane. Yeah, we didn't do any of that. But we did have people bungee cord jump off of a fucking helicopter. That was crazy. We had people with a cord that was attached to a helicopter.

And then they were hooked up to a tree, and they had to unlock themselves from the tree. They had a ring of keys. They had to find the right key in a certain amount of time, and then when they did it, they unlocked, and they went flying through the air because they were attached to a bungee cord, and the bungee cord was underneath a helicopter, and it would go fucking launching them out into the middle of this crazy canyon.

I was like, oh, my God. Someone's going to die. Someone's going to die. This isn't worth it. This job's not oh, my God. Someone's going to die. Someone's going to die. This isn't worth it. This job's not worth it. There was a couple times where I thought someone was going to die. Yeah, that's crazy. Stupid.

Ridiculous. I'm glad we got through it with nobody getting hurt. Who all came up with the stunts and all that? There was a bunch of people. They had a whole team. There's teams of people that came up with the eating stunts. There were the B-team stunt guys, and guys And then the A team stunt guys was the first stunt And then there was the C

Which was like the big championship finale thing It's a ridiculous show I used to watch that show all the time All the time I can't even believe it's real I watch it to this day I was like is that really me? What is that?

So long ago I remember I used to watch Jackass Jackass. Jackass is amazing. Those guys are alive. Steve-O's so healthy. He's fine. He's talking about making a fourth movie.

Oh, no. They're rolling that dice. They're rolling that dice. Someone's going to die. Damn. That's crazy. I only see the glimpse of that. Johnny Knoxville was a movie star for a while.

Right? Is he still doing big movies? I think so. He was doing big movies, and then he was still willing to let a bull hit him. He put a blindfold on and stood in front of a bull, and the bull just fucking launched him through the air. Blindfolded. That's just dumb as shit. That's the dumbest thing. That's why they call it a jackass.

Those guys got fucked up, man. I mean, they're taking some beatings. Just so we can laugh at them. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Crazy. See, what you do is control who gets fucked up.

Right. That's what I like about boxing. When I watch Boxing Express at the highest level, it's like one guy is controlling who gets fucked up. You know? Yeah. Whether the other guy likes it or not. Whether the other guy likes it or not. highest levels like one guy is controlling who gets fucked up you know yeah whether the guy like it or not whether the other guy likes it or not who was that the mexican gentleman that you fought recently that was talking a lot of shit and you stopped him benavides benavides that's right yeah

that seemed like a particularly satisfying one for you yeah because there was a lot of shit talking leading up to that fight for years there's certain times we watch guys talk shit and i go son this is this is not a good idea but it just came out of nowhere like i never said nothing to that dude never did nothing to that dude like and he just out the blue just for years like i'm ducking them i'm like dude you went up and wait i'm at 140 like when i was at 135 he was talking about fighting me he was at 140 i got up to 140 he won a little fight and then he moved up and wait and i'm like dude like you're nobody for me to be worried about so then it got to the point where he was like oh well they made me an offer to fight you and you ducked me and this so he started telling everybody i ducked them i've been ducking them

since 140 so in a press conference i said did y'all ever offer me or him a fight to fight each other and it was like no so i was so worried come up with that i was like well it don't matter we fighting right now so i it's all right. It was a good fight. It was a good fight. It was a good fight, too, to showcase you, particularly the knockout. That was a beautiful combination, man, when you clipped him. Right.

And then he gets up and then you put him away. When you watch a fight like that where you have a guy who talks shit and then you wind up fucking him up, is it ever more satisfying? Oh, yeah. Because you seem to enjoy it. The best fighters enjoy putting a beating on someone. Of course. Like, going into the fight, I had to calm my emotions down.

Because of the anger? Right, right. Because I really wanted to hurt that dude. So going into the fight, gotta keep reminding myself stay calm relax don't go in there and do nothing stupid because this is what he wants you to do and you've been here before you know there's nothing new you didn't have people talk crazy to you but not to the level that he did but you didn't have people talk crazy to you so that's why when i first got in there i was being patient taking my time and just filling him out you know because he's long he's tall he's long got some speed on him but he's a naturally uh counter puncher so it was like i wasn't gonna

go in there and be careless and get countered because i already knew what he wanted to do so when you when you see a guy a guy like that and you're fighting him, what is the strategy? Like, is this a different strategy than a normal fighter because of the length and the counterpunching ability? So you have to adjust. Right. So what was your plan going in there?

Well, see, me, I got long arms to be in the division and my height. So I was just like, all right, just right just pick them apart you know and then once you go into your combinations make sure you throw more than once because you're gonna counter that first one properly and when you watch the fight you feel like that's exactly what you're playing preparing for right now when you see errol spence excuse me we see errol Spence Jr., does he represent to you like one of the best of the up-and-coming guys that are possibly on your radar at least? I really can't say that, you know, because Errol, this is the first real big test that he's up against, you know. His last fight was with? Mikey Garcia.

That was a good fight. I mean, that was a good test. Mikey's a smaller guy. It's true. You know, Mikey came from, what, 126? You know, he's, what, 5'6"? When you see the two of them at the weigh-ins, you really can see the difference. And the size of Errol.

I mean, Errol's ripped. Right. You know. So that's why I say you really can't tell with mikey garcia don't get me wrong mikey's a hell of a fighter you know but that's his first fight in the division he's a smaller guy he's short his arms is shorter arrow taller longer bigger you know so faster so you he really couldn, I really couldn't see what I was trying to see out of Mikey Garcia. So, Mikey went up just because it was a big fight, right?

Right. Is he going to stay there, do you think? Yes, I believe he's going to fight Danny Garcia. Oh, interesting. Interesting. There's so many different outlets for boxing now, you know? There's PBC, there's Fox, there's, you know, ESPN is putting on high caliber fights now, too. Right. It's very interesting. But HBO putting on high-caliber fights now, too. It's very interesting.

But HBO's out of the game. Doesn't that feel weird? It does, Ben. That was the go-to channel to watch boxing when I was coming up. Only people you had on Showtime was Mike Tyson. And it was the best commentary crew, too. It was Jim Lampley, Max Kellerman, Roy Jones Jr., or sometimes George Foreman. You know? Larry Merchant. Emmanuel Stewart. When he was doing it yeah man emmanuel stewart and harold letterman would come

in in between rounds until giving his score it was fucking great i missed that yeah don't you miss that i mean harold letterman rest in peace he passed away recently um didn't he yeah yeah but i missed that man jim Lampley was fucking great. And Max Kellerman was great. It's like you don't have that. There's not a commentary team like that right now in boxing. Is there? Am I wrong?

No, not to the level of their expertise. Why don't they have those guys go over to one of these streaming services like DAZN or ESPN or something? It just seems like that's the team, right? Yeah. Andre Ward. Andre Ward's fantastic that's the team, right? Andre Ward. Andre Ward's fantastic at it. He's coming on here, too. I'm excited to have him on. Tim Bradley's coming along pretty good, too.

Yes, very good. He's taking that role of Teddy Atlas. It's like he's got all that energy. Yes. Well, Teddy's fucking, what a character that guy is. You know? Hey, Teddy. He's amazing.

He did it. We're firemen! We run to the fire! Teddy did it as well. He was like, oh my God, I'd rather get out there and fight. He was screaming. I was getting fucking scared. It's funny how he'll say on air, these judges need to be fired.

Yeah, he doesn't give a fuck. What fight are they looking at? He doesn't give a fuck. He gets so furious at bad decisions. And he's right. He's right sometimes. You know? He's right.

He was wrong about that Jeff Horn fight. The Jeff Horn Pacquiao fight? Yeah. Is that when he freaked out? Is that one of the ones he freaked out? Yeah, that's when he freaked out. I watched, when I first watched it, you know, listening to the commentary, I was like, man, Pacquiao whooping them. You know what I mean?

Why they cheat them? You know? Because I wanted to fight Pacquiao because I was the next in line to fight the champion. So, of course, I'm rooting for Pacquiao to win because that's a bigger fight. But after watching the fight again, I was like, they not saying nothing about all them shots Jeff Horn was hitting Pacquiao with. And he was just brutally bullying them, roughing them up. They could say, oh, he was being dirty. Sometimes he a headbutt, but it's a fight.

That's going to happen. You know, but he was real life manhandling Pacquiao, like pushing them all around. And you see Keith Thurman couldn't even do that. Yeah. Seeing him beat Keith Thurman at 40 years old, like, God damn, this guy's great. I mean, just look at his career with eight different weight classes, world titles. Eight. Eight different weight classes.

40 years old, beats Keith Thurman, who's in his prime. Right. Crazy. I mean, what a man.man, who's in his prime. Right. Crazy. I mean, what a man. I mean, what a world champion. Well, he sure turned back the hands of time on that one. It's fucking crazy. Isn't he?

And he fought in spurts. Both of them fought in spurts. And I thought Keith was going to pick up on it, but Pacquiao was only fighting the end of the round. Like, Keith would come on strong at the beginning of the round, and they would be like, all right, Keith winning, of the round. Like, Keefe would come on strong at the beginning of the round, and they would be like, all right, Keefe winning, winning this round. And then Pacquiao would just be like, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop. And then Keefe would be like, like, oh, man.

I hadn't even seen the fight. Well, when he dropped him with that right hook early in the first, you're like, oh, shit. It's like a right jab. Yeah. No, it was like he jumped in with the left and then followed by like a straight right. It's like a right jab. No, it was like he jumped in with the left and then followed by a straight right. It was crazy. Yeah.

It was crazy. It's like, wow. He went over the shoulder. That's his punch. They were showing him hitting other fighters with it, the same thing. Well, boom, boom. He has such a unique style. The leaping in firing shot.

What would you do if he came in with that shit on you? Punch it. Boom, boom. Oh, man. No, but I'd take my hat off to Pacquiao. Do you think it's possible that you could get a crack at him now? Because now he's in the hunt right now. You could get a crack at him now?

Because now he's in the hunt right now. I wouldn't say so because I was in the mentions and talked to fight Pacquiao since 2014, and we was in the same promotional company, and they couldn't make it happen. Do you think it's because he's not interested in that? I don't think he was interested in it because his coach uh mentioned numerous times he didn't want him to fight me and he wanted him to stay away from me so i don't think they was interested yeah well i could see that at this stage of his career but you know keith thurman is a fucking murderous puncher right which was one of the reasons why it's more impressive that he beat him and so who are they talking about pacquiao matching up with next uh he chasing the mayweather of

course so why not floyd come on i know you love money he was saying that he thinks floyd's out of money already because he says floyd spent so much money he's probably already out of it well he's spending money too i think pacquiao spent more money than floyd on everybody else oh that's right because he's got like 50 people that he just has supported. Yeah, I mean he's a he's an interesting guy man Cuz he's so friendly right, you know like Pat even like when people are trash-talking He's like smiling and then it's in that ring kick your ass later To that roast like this is a whole different set of rules he's flying with. Like, keep Thurman talking about you're going to crucify him and stuff like that. And he's just like, ooh, don't say that.

And got crucified. Yeah, but he's super religious. I wish you the best, too. Good luck in the fight. Good luck in the fight. He's a killer pool player. Did you know that about Pacquiao? No, I didn't.

Like, world class. Like, he could play pool professionally. Me, too. Really? Yeah, me, too. You could play class. Like, he could play pool professionally. Me too. Really? Yeah, I'll be too. You could play? Oh, we got to play then. Yeah, I heard you got your little personal sticks.

I'm pretty good. Yeah. You good? Yeah. Okay, what do you play? Whatever you want to play. You play, like, nine ball, ten ball? Whatever.

Okay, we'll play. Cool. Hey, so if I leave five balls on the table, you owe me. Five of your balls on the table. If you leave five balls on the table. you owe me. Five of your balls on the table. If you leave five balls on the table. What are you playing, eight ball? We can play eight ball. That's nonsense.

That's a nonsense game. Hey, but that's a silly game. You're trying to get me to leave my balls on the table. Why would you do that? No, I'm saying if I win. Like you take your balls. If I win and you still got five balls on your table, five of your balls. You got seven balls if you're playing eight ball.

So the only way that I win – explain what you're saying? Okay, so you got seven balls to start. If I beat you and you still got five of your balls on the table, then you owe. Owe what? Whatever. So you mean if you break and run out and I don't get a shot? No, that's seven ball then. If you get Owe what? Whatever So you mean If you break and run out And I don't get a shot No that's seven ball

If you get all the balls Yeah that's seven ball If I have five balls left Yeah Then you win Yeah What is that What kind of weird game is that?

You didn't get it I'm not getting it So if I win And you still got five balls on the table Okay Then what happens? You owe I owe what?

Whatever But if we play If we play nine ball Or ten ball You can't win If there's five balls on the table. Okay. Then what happens? You owe. I owe what? Whatever. But if we play nine ball or ten ball, you can't win if there's five balls. No, no, no, no. Nine ball and ten ball, that's different. But that's what we were saying. Yeah, yeah. So you're saying like play eight ball. But I don't like playing that because that's tricky.

Yeah, it's tricky. You got to play. That's the strategy. That's the strategy. Yeah, yeah. You got to learn how to get out. Yeah. I'll hit all of them and miss the last one. We can play eight ball though. That's so cool. I like eight ball. It's okay. But it's a strategy Yeah yeah You gotta learn how to get out Yeah I'll hit all of them And miss the last one

We can play 8 ball though That's so cool I like 8 ball It's okay But it's a simpler game And you pop me for the last shot Yeah yeah yeah Leave you hanging

Yeah You fuck up Leave that 10 ball Wobbling in the hole Yeah like you done did All this for nothing I've done that before It's very heartbreaking

It's very heartbreaking This is the worst way To lose a game I swear it's like All that for nothing And the guy Thank you for cleaning it up Now let me way to lose a game. I swear. It's like all that for nothing. And the guy, thank you for cleaning it up. Now let me win. That's a game that no one wants to lose to a girl.

It's hilarious watching dudes play pool against women when women are good. They panic. They start getting nervous. There's something about losing to a girl. It's almost like getting your ass kicked by a girl. Some of them cold. I done seen some girls at the pool hall oh yeah taking a lot of money oh for sure yeah there's there's like elite women players you know what i do to eliminate

that what i just be like nah i'm gonna let y'all play especially when you're watching them and then they try to hey i got next i'm like yeah y'all y'all can play because it ain't it ain't for me to be getting washed up by no female. Well, any professional. I've played a lot of professionals because it's one of the weird sports. You can enter into a tournament, and you could be a guy who has a full-time job, and you might wind up matching up with Efren Reyes, who's like the greatest player of all time.

You might meet him in the first round of a tournament. All you have to do is pay your fee, and then your entry fee you join in just like everybody else and you're playing like a world champ like the terence crawford of pool yeah i'm like whoa and you could just be some regular dude playing effing reyes but it's cool you can be like man i lost to one of the greatest lost to one of the greatest of all time yeah i've played a bunch of like great i played mike siegel before i got to play a bunch of great players, get my ass kicked by them. You a professional pool player? No.

No, I'm quite a bit below. If you had Manny Pacquiao, he could play professional. He would beat me. I'm one notch below that. I'm probably a notch below that, two knots below that. But Manny plays in tournaments. He gambles. They call him, unfortunately, they call him the cow because they're always milking him. Because he's real high-level pool players, man.

Man, he's too busy with running the country. I mean, he's a fucking senator. On top of that, he's one of the best boxers in the world. And on top of that, he's got a family. He doesn't have time to be at the pool hall 10 hours a day. All those psychopaths that are like world champions, they play pool 8, 10 hours they play all day long all day long you go there you'll find them that's where they're at you say you go there you'll find they're there every fucking day everybody that i know that's like elite world-class pool player like mika eminem and you know these kind of guys

you go there they're they're at the goddamn pool hall every day no money in that shit though you think there's no money in ufc there's no money in that shit there's a lot of money in poker there is i gotta learn how to play i know right could poker it seemed like uh my friend anthony giordano he uh directs those used to direct those poker shows he said what changed it is when you had the the tv shows where you could see the person's hand so like we were all playing the folks at home could see the person's hand. So if we were all playing, the folks at home could see what I have and they could see

what you have but we didn't know what we have so they're all in on it. So they're like, how's he going to play that? How's he going to play that? So it made it way more interesting

than just watching because if you were watching three guys play poker, you would have no idea whose hands are what. But when you're at home and you watch it on TV, you get to see the hand.

And I still don't know how to play. Yeah, I don't know how to play either. But I just be seeing people with their poker face all in. Don't have nothing. And then this dude with a good hand, he just be like, throw his hand and dude just be like, ah!

Poker face. Take that risk. I be like, oh, man. There's something cool about that, right? Like a bullshitty. It's bullshitting, you know? There's something cool about that right Like a bullshitty It's bullshitting You know There's something about that Like the hustle

There's the thing about poker That doesn't exist in anything else A psychological hustle That's why they call it the poker face Yep That's a Lady Gaga song bro Pop pop pop poker face Or somebody that's just looking all like

Looking all sad like Yeah I got a bad hand Knowing you got a good hand Yep It's tricky then they hey you all in okay plus i think those gamblers when they're around each other all the time and they just fucking that's all they do is gamble and read signs and check each other out they probably have

like a highly tuned sense of someone bullshitting. Right. Highly tuned. Oh, there's something going on behind his eyes. But that's why they're wearing them glasses. Yeah. You know what I've always loved watching but I'm scared to get good at is chess. It just seems like it would eat your fucking time. It does. Do you play? Yeah.

I taught him how to play. He taught me and I beat him the same time. Look at you. He flexed up. He flexed up. him the same at the same day he taught you yeah he just taught me how to move the pieces and I'll be oh jesus yeah wow that's interesting so we international right so I'm gonna confess right now I'll let this dude be I let this dude be beating me internationally ranked? No I'm saying

We on an international show right The whole world is watching I let this dude beat me You let him beat you? Why'd you do that? Because you know Get his confidence up Get his confidence up

But hey But this is how I do it There's some fights Where I want him to play test So I can So he can use his mind right So okay alright alright The whole camp He's using his mind he can use his mind Right So okay Alright

The whole camp He's using his mind He's using his mind So I'm like okay Alright So he come out there And he have a great performance So I'm like okay

Alright That's another strategy Try to get him To do better Right But there's some mornings I'm going to tell you About this last morning

We had You don't let me beat him. I just beat him. Anytime I really want to win, I win. It's that long. Come downstairs, right? So he comes downstairs

and his boxers and shit. This old Terrence Crawford look. Looking at everybody like, hey, good morning. Good morning. Let's play. Alright. I'm kicking his ass, right? He getting mad. Good morning. Good morning. Let's play. All right. I'm kicking his ass, right?

He getting mad. He getting mad. You can see it in his face, right? So he started making these different moves. No, man, you can't do that. No, man. Yes, I can. Yes, I can.

No, you can't do that, bud. You know you can't do that. After a while, you just got to kind of fear for your life a little bit. No, man. I like being confronted with this dude in chess, man. It's funny. It's funny when he's losing. He beat me.

He beat me that day. He didn't want to play me again. I was so hot. I can see it in your face right now. Oh, yeah. You're counting it. You can see you reliving it Because

He just caught me off guard It's just like You know what I mean Like I'm coming downstairs To eat some breakfast And he's talking about Let's play He got it ready and everything

So we're going I'm making stupid I'm like damn man I didn't see that Like fuck So He went He went and play me.

But the next times he played me, I whitewashed him. Killed him so bad to where he don't even want to play me no more. It's funny. That's one thing that champions have. All champions, they hate losing any game. And Jordan, they said if you beat him playing pool, he would fucking hate you. Because he didn't want to talk to you. Until he could beat you again. Until he got you again.

See, my thing is, we have a lot of people that want to play the game. Right? So I don't play the game like I used to. I used to play and I used to beat them all, but once my nephew got good, I stopped playing. I'm like, man, you're a game head. I ain't got time to just sit on the game.

Right. Like video games? Like Xbox? Yeah. You know. Like video games, like Xbox. Yeah, like 2K. You can't fuck with those kids. Those kids that don't have responsibilities, they don't have children, they have nothing but time. They get too good at those goddamn things. They get too good. And you would lose your life trying to chase them.

So now it gets to the point where I just watch them play. So we had this dude named Chiz. Oh, man. to the point where I just watched them play. So we had this dude named Chance in the house. Oh, man. So Chance, we got Shakur, and we got Chucky. They all like to play, and we got Kenny. So Kenny was playing Chucky. Chucky and Chance was always going at it with each other.

And Kenny was beating Chucky, and he was just rubbing it in his face. And it was just like you could see how mad he was. And this dude, Chucky, he's the one that always be joking around and stuff. It's all fun and games. And you could just see. He was like, why is you even talking if you not playing playing it gets so bad in the house man too you gotta put the game up do you have you guys have like moments where you don't want them to play games and things like that like during camp you just want them just dressed no no no because that's relaxed that's relaxed is it relaxing yeah

but video games are a little they get tense. That's why he took the game. He's like, you gotta take the game, man. It gets so intense, people want to fight each other. People get in arguments. One dude will get mad, the other dude will be like,

ah, you mad. Ah, you mad. You're like, man, shut up, man. That's why we sparring when we get to the gym, huh? How about that? Oh, that's hilarious.

It'd be funny as shit, man. It can cause problems, too. Oh, sure. A bunch of competitive dudes all training together and then you play something competitive that makes you angry if you lose? Yeah.

Recipe for disaster. Right. Hey, they don't care. They don't care. They don't care in the house, man. They just like, whatever. I still want to play. It's like a big daycare.

That's basically what it is. It did me. I'm the oldest. Got to start cussing at them. You can't eat. Don't you come out your room. Get up here and do these dishes. Oh, man.

It seems like you guys are having a good time. Oh, man. It's fun. That's beautiful. Oh, yeah. It's fun. Camp is fun. It's hard work man, it's fun. That's beautiful. Oh, yeah, it's fun. Camp is fun. It's hard work, and it's hard, but at the same time, you know, work is work.

And then we try to come home and, you know, clear our head and not just be so mentally drained over thinking about the fight. Right, right. So we want it to be fun at the end of the day. Do you have, like, a mental coach, or is there anybody you've ever worked with that's, like, where you've tried to do visualization work or formulate a game plan, or is it just go out there and get it done? Just get it done.

No need? No need. Like, my mental is so strong, like, from what I've overcome and been through in my whole entire life. It's like nothing's going to break me. That's my mental. If that couldn't break me, you're not going to break me. You mean in terms of your childhood and growing up? Yeah.

Everything that I went through. Irreplaceable. Right. People that have gone through, like Mike Tyson, like many great fighters have gone through hardship when they're younger. Right. That ability to endure. It's not, I wouldn't say when I was younger, it's still going through. Still going through.

Yeah, I still go through a lot. A lot. How so? Like, it seemed like before all my big fights somebody died in my family you know like my grandpa just died the day before yesterday sorry to hear that yeah but i'm here you know i mean i'm about to go in training camp and prepare for my next fight you know so it's just like things always happening but at the same time i got a job to do and i'm gonna still be focused and nothing's gonna distract me now will you go into training camp with a date in mind or would you just but do they but you haven't nothing's

been signed yet right nothing's been signed yet so do you just sort of go in and get the wheels moving and then just get ready to ramp up like how do you determine when you ramp up your training camp if you're like i say if you're getting back into training camp now but you don't know when the fight's going to be scheduled so how do you how do you approach it in the beginning no i don't i don't i wouldn't necessarily necessarily say i'm getting in training camp right now because I'm not like my training camp is six to seven weeks so you getting ready

to get into training camp no I wouldn't even say that I'm just saying in general okay you know but you're not getting ready right now

I stay working out I stay working out of course you know now when you're not when you're not in the gym well when you're in the gym but you're not training for a fight

are you still doing all the strength conditioning stuff and everything as well yeah here and there here and there not in the gym well when you're in the gym but you're not training for a fight are you still doing all the strength conditioning stuff and everything is yeah here and there yeah not not to the same intensity but just to keep moving right and so you do that just to make sure that you preserve your body and don't get injured and things along those lines so when you think of it in terms of camp like that is the roughest experience you're going through right you're going through how many nine weeks that what you say you prefer? Seven. Seven?

Seven weeks. Seven weeks. So those seven weeks is when you're pushing it to the limit, and then everything else is more like a maintaining thing? We like stair steppers. We got a pre-camp, and then once we're in camp, it's like this. Dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun. And you know where those steps are.

Right. So when we get to the end of camp, we're already at the highest step. So that way, when we go to the fight, we're already at the end. And so this is planned out in the amount of rounds you do, the amount of running you do. Every week is something added on. Every week. If it's four rounds, six rounds, eight rounds, 10, 12, minutes, we do minutes. What's amazing about this conversation is if you were a young up-and-coming boxer in 1982 or something like that

and you want to know how Marvin Hagler did it, there's no podcast. There's no Marvin Hagler breaking down how he does his training camp and talking all about it. But today, kids can watch you and they can see what you're doing. And I guarantee just listening to you talk about realizing how hard Floyd can watch you and they can see what you're doing and i guarantee just listening to you talk about realizing how hard floyd worked and you working out you wanted to work out even harder and all the crazy shit you're doing like people right now lacing up their shoes right now getting fired up running out the door thinking i gotta work like terrence i have to you know that is one of the coolest things it has to be about being a world champion is that you are

the guy now you know when you were a world champion is that you are the guy now. You know, when you were a kid, I'm sure you had like those Ring Magazine posters and shit. Like you're that guy now. Right. That's got to be crazy. Some kid right now who's like six years old, who's just getting into Golden Gloves, and he's looking up at his bedroom wall. Silver Gloves. Silver Gloves.

What is Golden Gloves? Golden Gloves. 18? Yeah, when you're a senior. Silver Gloves when you're a junior. Silver Gloves is when you're a junior. Silver Gloves doesn't sound as good. Boxing, amateur boxing. Kids getting into amateur boxing, they have heroes.

You're one of them, man. I mean, that's got to be a cool feeling. Oh, yeah, man. I love it. I love it. When I go to them little smokers or them little national tournaments and see all the little kids run up to me. Terrence Crawford, Terrence Crawford.

I'd be like, what up? I'd go grab him. Wow, that's awesome. Grab him by the head, mess around with him. Even at the wrestling tournaments, people are like, yo, you Terrence Crawford. I'd be like, yeah, what's up? What's your name? And they'd be like, dude, man, you real cool.

I'd be like, yeah, man, what's up? That's amazing. So they all gravitate to me. Was there someone that you met when you first met him I'd be like, yeah, man, what's up? That's amazing. So they all gravitate to me. Was there someone that you met when you first met him where you're like, I can't even believe that I'm sitting there with Evander Holyfield or someone like that? Someone real famous where you couldn't believe you were actually being around them? I'm going to have to say Roy Jones. Roy Jones.

Because I never was like a big fanboy. I would always be like, oh, like oh man they just humans like me but when i seen roy for the first time i was like oh that's roy jones jr like i i met floyd mayweather but this roy jones jr like yeah it was just crazy and he was real cool and you know i was just like damn i didn't want to be like all like shy as to i like damn like i met sugar ray lennar when i was an amateur and it didn't feel the same it was just like man that's sugar because it's a different era because it was a you didn't watch him fight watching roy jones man when i was a kid when he was in his prime he would lead with a left hook it was like more than

a jab he would just whip that left hook at dudes and they didn't know what the fuck to do with that that speed was preposterous so fast whoa roy was doing stuff to people that made you just go wow like he's not even doing the same thing they're doing right he's like he's on another dimension he's a different record speed you know he was so fast. Max Kellerman had this incredible rant once about just realizing how good Roy Jones was in his prime. It wasn't like he wasn't around great fighters, but they couldn't do shit to him. He was around world champions, but he was lighting them on fire. It was crazy. And all good things come to an end.

It only lasted for X amount of years. I mean, what was the best years of his championship reign? But he was untouchable. Untouchable. Untouchable. When he knocked out Virgil Hill with that body shot, you're like, God damn. One punch.

When he put his hands behind his back and still knocked down James Toney. I mean, when he dropped his hands like this, and James Toney does it too when he leaps in and drops them. With the left hook. That one dude he knocked out with his hands behind his back. Who was that dude? I forgot. When he was on the ropes.

Yeah, put his hands behind his back. The dude moves forward and drops him and knocks him out. It's like this is a movie scene. This isn't real life. No one does that in real life. Roy Jones was having fun with people. Yeah, he was. He was having fun with people.

He was entertaining. He was incredible How fast he was But like I didn't Man I didn't met people Like Roy He's a fan of me

It's amazing And it's like Dude Like I be like So starstruck It's like man I'm a fan of you

And he's a fan of you You a fan of me Wow Like today That must make you so happy I was on Instagram And I was like I went past LL Cool J

Cause we was listening To some old school music And I I was like dang LL got a Instagram So I clicked on him And he's following me

I said Bro Look LL Cool J following me on Instagram. So it's just crazy just to think of all the people that you, like, grew up admiring and, like, you a fan of. And for you to see them fan of you, it's like, damn. Like Iverson. I met Iverson. Wow.

And he came up to me, and he was more happy to see me than I was him. Terrence Crawford, oh, man, you the mother of man. And I was just sitting there looking at him like, this Allen Iverson. Like, damn. So it's crazy, like, seeing all those, you know, celebrities and all-time greats. That's big fans of mine. And it's like, fuck. Does it wear off or do you still freak out?

I still freak out sometimes. I still freak out sometimes. Like, it just depends on the person. Like, fuck. Like, damn. Right. Like Snoop or someone like that. Like, Snoop too. I met Snoop. I'll be like, person. Like, fuck. Like, damn. Right. Like Snoop or someone like that. Snoop, too.

I met Snoop. I'll be like, damn. Like, fuck. Like, that's when you know that you made it to a certain level in your professional sports that everybody watching you. Yeah. Well, you know, and that's one more thing that's beautiful about you meeting those little kids is that they can realize, like, oh, Terrence Crawford's a man.

He's a man. I mean, he's a superstar, and he's a champion, and I see him on TV, but he's a man. He's right here. He got me in a headlock. Oh, shit, we're playing together. He's a nice guy. Oh, he's a person.

Yeah. Because you see someone that's achieved a certain level of status and championship reign, and you see him on TV knocking people out. That doesn't even seem like a real person when you're on tv knocking people out that doesn't even seem like a real person when you're a kid like that can't be a real person right and then you're there and then you're shaking his hand he's like what the fuck this is crazy you change that kid's world yeah like his idea of what the future is idea what a person is a person is terrence croft is a person right i'm a person too like i, I just got to work hard. And it's crazy because, like, a lot of people, they'll see me and they'll be like,

where are your bodyguards at? Where are your entourage? Like, they be having questions to ask. Yeah. And I'll just be like, no, man, I'm a regular person. They be like, man, why you don't be on TV like Floyd Mayweather? Like, man, that ain't for me, man. I'm chill.

They be like, oh, well, where are your cars? Like, they be just asking me all kinds of crazy stuff. And I just be like, no, man. I'm chill. They'd be like, oh, but where are your cars? Like, they'd be just actually all kinds of crazy stuff. And I'd just be like, nah, man, that's cool. Do you still live where you grew up? Right. Wow. That's crazy. And everybody's cool?

Everybody's cool. Nobody gets jealous? The fact that your turn's crossing now? You're always going to have that. Right. No matter where you go. You're always going to have the jealousy and the people that envy you. People want loans.

Yeah. That too. That too. That too. Guaranteed. You just got to move different. Yeah. You just got to move different. What kind of cars do you ride?

I drive old schools. Old schools. Like what kind? I got some Monte Carlo SS. Oh, that's right. I saw you and it looked like a Grand National. Do you have a Grand National? No, it's a Monte Carlo. That's a Monte Carlo. Oh, is it a. I saw you and it looked like a Grand National. Do you have a Grand National? No, it's a Monte Carlo.

That's a Monte Carlo. Oh, is it a souped up Monte Carlo? No, it's all original. I just put the rims on it. The souped up one is the silver one, the 87. Oh, is that another Monte Carlo? Yeah. Oh, you're a Monte Carlo guy.

Yeah. I love Monte Carlos back in the day. Like the 70s, like 70 Monte Carlos. Ooh, those are so pretty. Ain't nothing like the 80s. You like the 80s? 87. That's probably because you're younger than me.

Super sport. Me, I'm like, I get, for muscle cars, I get as high as 71 with a Barracuda, and then I drop off. Yeah. Everything else, like, I need 65 to 70. 71 is only Barracuda and Challenger. That's it. Everything else fell apart by 71. What about the Oldsmobile?

They made some cool shit. They made some cool shit, but it's just not as good as the 60s. The 60s and the 1970 cars, like 70 Chevelles. Yeah, I was about to say the Chevelle. Come on, 70 Chevelle. Oh, yeah. The problem with the drop top is they're wiggly. You know, there's a lot of body flex to it where you don't get the rigidity that you feel in the solid hard top muscle car. Right.

But I love those old cars, man. They have something to them. Right. And they cost a shit ton of money. They do. They do now. Especially if you get one that's all original oh yeah everything the paint still like man you bought this car to put it in the garage for 30 years dude i saw a barracuda that was for sale for over

a million dollars a million dollars for a car that was like 30 30 000 not even right didn't we talk about this wasn't like five grand When it was brand new Something crazy like that Now it's a million dollars I used to I don't know One of those Knuckleheads that likes Everything perfect

And original There's certain dudes Like with original Numbers matching Look at the VIN number Matches the tires These are the original tires From 1960

Got all the paperwork You better go slow Around the corner With those shitty tires Everything original Means everything's shitty. You know, shitty drum brakes and shitty suspension. I like the shapes. I used to always get up and watch them, car auctions.

Oh, yeah, the Meachums, that kind of shit? Yeah, I love those. Just to look at the cars. God damn. If you have a ton of money and you're there, that shit could be real bad. Yeah. Like, if you're one of those dudes that's like a collector and you're there that shit could be real bad yeah like if you're one of those dudes it's like a collector and you see all those cars moving by like i want

that one too a 55 off 55 chevy all right oh my goodness yeah there's there's some i mean i'm just a big fan of those shapes those shapes of the 1960 shapes there's something about the car they just nailed it they just knew how to make a car look beautiful back then and it was and it was built sturdy yeah like nowadays you bump a car you big old tent your bumper falling off back then you can run a car over and steal all still get a little bitty dent and go on about your way yeah it's a different but also they now cars handle good. They have airbags. There's some good shit about today's cars, too. Drive it yourself. Yeah.

Yeah. You ever driven one of those? You ever been in a Tesla? No, we just talked about that. I haven't been in that. They're freakouts, man. They'll freak you out. You're driving that thing like, oh, my God. Have you?

They fast as shit. It's ridiculous, right? Did you ever drive one? Yeah. Dude. The crazy thing about the Teslas is it's like a race car. It's like, and you'd be waiting for it to be like, but it don't never change gears. It's just straight.

And all of a sudden, it's 150 miles an hour like that. It's so fast, it doesn't even make sense. It's like a race car. It's like a time machine. It's 150 miles an hour Like that It's so fast It doesn't even make sense It's like a race car It's like a time machine It's like it compresses time Like there's a certain amount of time In a normal car You feel like you have to go

There's a certain amount of time That has to take place Before I can get in front of that guy And then get over here And then get to the on ramp With a Tesla You just go You're there

It's like time compresses Yeah Zero to 60 in 2.4 seconds Damn You never even felt anything like it It's a goddamn roller coaster ride It's like you're pinned to your seat It's like time presses. Yeah zero to 60 in 2.4 seconds. Damn. You never even felt anything like it So goddamn rollercoaster ride. It's like your pit deer seat. It's just going yeah, like fuck and they're making a faster one They got one that's gonna be 1.9 the roadster that really slick looking little tiny one. They're ridiculous. That's the future. Yeah, I got a demon Dodge Demon. Oh, those are nice. It's fun. That. That's a fun fucking... What is that, like 800 horsepower?

I think 909. 800. Something crazy. Yeah, it's crazy. After anything over seven, it's like, what are you doing? They made me sign my rights away. Really? You got to sign all these papers talking about if you die or get seriously injured and can't

nobody else come back and sue them. All kinds of crazy shit. Wow. Because of the cars so fast. They letting you know, like, you know, you can get real life fucked up. Do they make those in a stick shift or is it just an automatic? I don't know. I got an automatic.

It's a crazy amount of power. But I think nowadays you got the handle. Paddle shifters? Yeah, paddle shifters. That's cute. Where you can put manual. But the thing, shifting with your left foot in the clutch and shifting gears your right That's like part of the whole muscle car thing

Part of the old-school thing you don't want an old-school automatic Seems silly, you know just think school. Yeah That's true. It's way faster. Oh, it's way faster Cars today are way faster Period And they're all gonna be electric Within ten years They're just so much better They're so much faster Right

As long as they can figure out How to make it charge quick That's the thing that gas has You can just pull into a gas station Ten minutes later You got a full tank Right So your car

Charges up Yeah On battery How long does it take It'll take a good solid six or seven hours if it's dead. If it's almost dead,

it'll take like six or seven hours at a super, I have a supercharger too. Normally, it might take 12 like with a regular outlet. Fuck.

It takes a long time. Yeah. Yeah, so if you pull into like one of those superchargers, I think they can get you up to like 80% in like an hour.

To first charge the first 80 pretty quick so you could do that so it's like pay for gas yeah yeah you pay for it yeah use a credit card they gotta have walmart yeah i've seen them there but the airport's free you can plug in at the airport and it's free it's uh it's a weird experience man because i love the sound of engines but uh that car makes them all look stupid. They all seem dumb. It does, right? Yeah, you don't hear that.

But it's something, yeah. I got to have that muscle. It's fun. Yeah. And once you get into that. You can't burn out in it. Nah, there's no burning out. It just goes.

It makes a noise like this. It doesn't make any noise. It doesn't like. There's none burning out. It just goes. It makes a noise like this. It doesn't make any noise. It doesn't like... There's none of that. It just takes off. Yeah. It doesn't even seem real. I like them.

The inside is crazy with the big screen, touchscreen. Yeah. No, they're pretty dope. You just look like you're in the futuristic. It feels like you're in the futuristic. What do you spend your money on? Do you have a thing that you indul you indulge in no that's i don't really have no spinning habits just that's amazing stuff fishing and yeah we were talking before the show about bow fishing you

like bow fishing i love it i love it i got took on bow fishing one time and i've been hooked i've been spending money on it we actually actually walked in this pond. I bought waders. I got waders and everything. I'm out there in the water. In the little mud and stuff. Hitting the little guards and

anything I can find. Do you eat guards? You smoke those, right? No, no, no. You can't eat them? No, no, no. We mainly try to get the grass carp because they... They're invasive, right? Yeah. They try to kill as many of those as they can, right? Yeah, so it's crazy though because

the Asian carp, we on my boat, we in the river, and this was the other night. We going through this little spot in the river. And they start jumping in the boat. Yeah, isn't that weird? Have you ever seen that?

Yeah, I've seen it on one of these TV shows. Fucking crazy. They knock people out. They like this big, no lie. They was like. Did they say called jumping carp? No, Asian carp. They're like six, seven pounds. And they fly through there and hit you in the face.

Asian carp is different than grass carp. We was shooting grass carp in the pond, but in the river, the Asian carp that was jumping in my boat was every bit of 30 pounds. And they're hitting people in the head, KOing them, flatlining them. So didn't they bring those

things, those carps over to eat up something in something? Look at these things. These people fly up, boom! That shit got hit in the back of the head. Hey, that's how they jump, bro. Look at these things Look at that These people fly Boom That shit got hit In the back of the head Hey that's how they jump bro Look at these guys

They're trying to shoot them While they're flying That is so ridiculous What a redneck sport He just got hit What a redneck sport Oh Popped her upside her head

Look at this What kind of fucking fish Just throws itself Out of boat It's so crazy Oh man Isn't it the sound Of the

The engine that yeah get them started something like that it's crazy like this will give you a target panic man you're not going to get good at shooting a bow and arrow if you're getting hit in the head while you're pulling back your bow look at these guys are just trying to shoot no one's even pulling the trigger oh man now that's funny look at that pop yeah look He just keeps getting hit Donk What a weird fish That dude just got clipped Why was he laughing Though it got smacked

And he ducked the second one Look at him Oh Oh that guy got nailed Yeah I'd have a bat I'd be fishing with a baseball bat That's how they be bro I'm telling you

Or a samurai sword Hey them mugs get big What part Where was you at In the river So they're trying to kill As many of those as they can They're trying to kill

As many of those as they can Those things have Overpopulated lakes Just taken over I don't know why They brought them in though Originally More so of the lakes

Is grass carp Not Asian carp You know And some rivers That's those big Red looking ones right Those get huge Man

Like You know what's crazy? Buffalo. In America, we think of them as shit. They're like trash fish. But in England, they're prized. Like in England, they have carp fishing contests. And they have certain carps that they catch and they weigh in and then they release them.

And they catch them again like a year later. They know the carp. And they were in world records. Like, he caught mr fishy again mr fishy is now you know 85 fucking pounds they keep catching them year after year until these things die and when they die they make like a big deal we lost this carp like they they take carp fishing super serious which is so strange because over here in amer, we think of them as trash. They eat everything. Yeah. When we see the Asians fishing and whatever they catch, they keep.

Yeah. So it's like the gar, the Asian carp, they eat them up. Apparently, gar tastes good if you smoke it. That's what I've heard. I've heard you can smoke gar. Not fucking with it? It's a dinosaur. Yeah. It's a a weird thing to eat it's like eating a snack i didn't shop one just to look at the meat and it's all hard hot like autumn bones how you gonna

clean that thing yeah i saw a guy do it on tv i cooked it on tv i figured what was one of those wild game cooking shows he smoked a gar I could see an alligator gar Like when you go down Like Texas or something Oh is it a different kind of gar Yeah like an alligator gar Them mugs get big Maybe that's what it is

You know but The gar that we got Little skinny little pencil Little things Oh so they're tiny Yeah they like that big They long Yeah those Texas ones

Are freakish man Yeah They don't even look real Yeah But listen man i'm not going to take up any more of your time i just want to tell you i'm a big fan it was an honor having you in here um i really appreciate watching you fight one of my favorite i think when i when i talk to people about about combat sports one of the things that i always talk about

is like the difference between the skill level of an elite boxer when you see what that's all they do versus like an mma you see openings in mma that you would never see like in boxing so i'm just uh i'm happy you're out there man i appreciate it and let us know when your fight is we'll let everybody know and just alert the world i'm excited of course thank you sir thank you thank you man thanks bye everybody i mean can we get a picture? Yeah.