The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #77 with Cedric Doumbe

Episode Date: August 26, 2019

Joe is joined by current Glory Kickboxing World champion Cedric Doumbe.

Boom! Alright, we're live. What's going on man? What do you got there? Text messaging people? No. Shutting your phone off? Yeah, I just put it on silent. Silent mode. How long have you been in America now? You're only here for like two weeks, right? Yeah, I came for two weeks and three days and I see you invited me at the UFC. Didfc and did you enjoy it yeah was great that's my first time at the that's the first time really even at an mma even you've never been to an mma event really no in france so boring you know you know that uh now is forbidden in france yes and you can't hit a guy when he's on the floor. So that's why it used to be boring in France because they fight, like striking,

and then when a guy takes you down, and then he's just busy. Just a mission. Yeah. Oh, that's interesting. So the MMA rules, when they would go to the ground, no striking at all. No striking. Even to the body? Even in the body.

Oh, I think, yeah, in the body they can. Oh, okay okay but you can't punch to the face no it's so boring that's why i never i never been in a mma even in france but ufc at two for one was crazy especially the fight the diaz fight and and the main event was now as a kickboxing champion and when you watch MMA do you I know that you've been training and I know that you spent some time while you're out here at aka yeah are you thinking of eventually making way to the UFC I'm not thinking that's what that's what I will do you will do yeah that's what I will do that's what I I want to do you know uh yeah as you said i'm the glory champ now i have five belts my my first dream before glory was to to become the yeah the greatest kickboxing in the world kickboxer in the world i wanted to beat everybody in my division that's

what i did before nikki holskin was the the champ champ yeah and defeated since six years yeah he was the greatest in glory and I was like

damn how how do I gonna beat him you know he's so he's so strong and I beat him I beat him

yeah twice I beat everybody so after that before people was asking me do you think to go to MMA

because I I think you should do something great. And I was like, no, I don't like MMA. I don't like like wrestling, BJJ. I don't like this kind of sport. I'm a striker, you know. I was like, no, I don't like it. And yeah, two years ago, I was like, damn, I think I like it, you know, because I trained once.

And I really like it. What did you like? Did like it you know what did you like do you like mma training or did you like mma training yeah mma training and jiu-jitsu i was and i was watching jiu-jitsu all the time on tv and more i watched jiu-jitsu i was like oh it's so complicated it's so yeah it's not only two guys who are rolling and making string stuff on the on the ground it's's more than that. So I was like, oh, it's complicated. It's not easy.

Right. Yeah, I wanted to learn that. I wanted someone to teach me that. And yeah, I was thinking about MMA. Now I really want to do it. I want to do, you know, what Conor McGregor couldn't do. You know, he was the best in MMA in one combat sport

and he wanted to beat Conor McGregor Floyd Mayweather yeah in another combat sport he wanted to be the greatest in two combat sports different combat sports

he couldn't do it he failed and that's what I want to do and I think I really really will do it I'm the best in kickboxing and I want to be the best in MMA and I think I really, really will do it. I'm the best in kickboxing, and I want to be the best in MMA. And I think I will.

If kickboxing was as popular as MMA, do you think you'd still have the same desire to do it? Yes. Yes. Because you just want to be the best. Yeah. Because I'm young. I'm 26. My dreams came true.

I'm the best in kickboxing my nickname is the best and i'm really the best so well i'm a big fan of yours and i was really excited to get you in here and one of the things i was really interested in uh is that you sort of changed your style and you were more movement oriented and you would win on points but then you started fucking people up you started like people like nikki holtzkin had said that about you that you're a mover a runner yeah that you're a runner i was trying to say it nice that's what he said but man you changed that around yeah yeah you know people out because uh yeah my first my first big big fight fight in glory was against Nicky Olskan,

and that was only my third fight in glory. As I beat the rank number two, who was Miltro Grunert, as I beat him, they put me a title shot right after. And I was like, Nicky Olskan is really, really complicated. And you were like 24, right? Yeah, I was 24. That's very young. Yeah. Fight Nicky Holtzman is really really complicated and you were like 24 right yeah I was 24 that's very young yeah

fight Nicky Holtzman yeah I was I was yeah I was I was impressed by him because he's very good

he's very good and I still I still impressed by him because for me he's a very very great champ he was and I was like

I will not knock him out I used to before Gloria I used to fight every month sometimes I used to fight every month. Sometimes I used to fight three times a month. Three times a month? Yeah. Really?

Yeah, because of tournaments. I used to knock people out at the first round. And when I saw Niki, I was like, okay, I will not go for the KO. So I trained myself to do all five rounds to make points and to and to stay myself like funny in the ring and um yeah and make a lot of movement hit jokes play with the audience share you know and that's what i did and uh yeah and i kept going that way after nikki i kept the same style, the same style, the same style. And once I failed, I lost the fight because of that.

My diet wasn't very good. I make a good first round, and then I was tired as fuck, so I couldn't do the job I wanted to do. And then I took a diet. Now my diet is perfect. What did you change? What were you eating before? Before I was like, okay, to prepare a fight,

I start two months before the fight, the G-Day. And then before I was like, okay, still two months. Okay, I start tomorrow. I start next week the diet I start tomorrow tomorrow

tomorrow and then we are two weeks before the fight I'm like damn six kilos to lose okay

I start today and then I come in the fight week and I never started the diet and I started in the hotel like

three days before the fight I had five kilos to lose six kilos to lose in three days and i was like okay i don't eat anything no more now i just train train sauna training with no food with no food oh that's silly even no water and that's why that's that wasn't smart you know it's so hard for people to believe that world champions do things like that. But that is the case. Sometimes, and sometimes you need a bad fight to sort of snap you out of it

and realize, hey, I have to be disciplined for many, many months out in advance. That's right. You know what the first thing Glory said to my manager before when I won the first title? They said, hey, Cedric is very lucky because we don't even know how does he arrive at this level with no diet, no team, no trainer, nothing. I was very surprised. I think a lot about this and that's why now I'm very professional. After that diet, I start to knock everybody out. So what did you change in your diet? Like what do you eat now?

Now it's like you know my diet in France is she's very famous you know her name is Cecile Golden Coach. Her name is Golden Coach? Yeah Golden Coach. That's her real name? No. I was like, wow. And, yeah, she takes care of many champions in France. And, yeah, I cannot tell you exactly what is inside my diet because it's so complicated. But I told her, hey, I don't want you to tell me how many grams and this and this and this. Just tell me right what I need to eat Monday, Tuesday, morning, evening. And that's what she did.

So you just follow her instructions. Yeah, I just follow her instructions. Do you have a meal prep company, someone who makes the meals for you? No, no, no. You do it all yourself? Not yet, yeah. There are some in France, in Paris especially, but I didn't choose yet. So what kind of foods are you eating?

I love African food but African yeah African food is really really not good for my diet because I'm a lot a lot of oil a lot of a lot of meat good that sounds great hey sounds great but wait no I used to eat Japanese food. I really like Japanese food, sushi, fish. Asiatic food is very healthy, so I like Japanese food, Korean food also. That's what I used to eat when I go out to restaurants. So now what does she have you eating? Now?

Yeah. Now I don't have to prepare any fight. I just keep on shape. So I eat what I want. You eat what you want now? Yeah, what I want today, today, yes. But starting September, then I'm going to start a new diet. And yeah, morning is like two eggs, two eggs.

How much do you have to lose? What is your normal weight? My normal weight in kilograms is 85. 85. What is that? Like 170? What is that? How many?

85 kilograms to pounds. Maybe 190? 190? Yeah, it's 160, 1.2.2. What? 188. 188. And you have to get down to 170.

170. Yeah. So when I say that in AKA they was like oh you good oh yeah because MMA fighters lose a lot of weight but before I was

the biggest thing I did is in 7 weeks I lost 15 no 17 17 kilos last time I came to AKA I lost 15. No, 17. 17 kilos. Oh, wow. Seven weeks.

Yeah, last time I came to AKA, I was 95. 95 is 200? Two plus. Yeah. 95 kilos? We got a little calculator here. What is it? 210?

So you were 210 pounds. Yeah. Wow. And seven weeks later, I lost 17 kilograms because of Cecile. Oh. Yeah. Yeah. But it was very, very, very hard.

But your energy level's okay while you're doing all this? Everything was good. I was just training twice a day and diet, diet every day, every day. Now, kickboxing is huge in Europe. I mean, it's very big people big people i mean i had um rico verhoeven on and we discussed this like how enormous kickboxing is in holland and in europe yeah and in america for whatever reason it never caught on i don't understand it i've been a fan of glory and i've been trying to tell people about them for a long time uh i i cannot blame usa for that because they they legalize mma so mma is just more more

attractive for people you know the people who doesn't know about about fighting they just watch mma is like oh two people are fighting there that is interesting you know keep boxing and like things like sport like weight I kickboxing if you doesn't know the rules it's kind of yeah you just want you do this you don't understand you don't understand but MMA is more easy to understand you know yes just yeah yeah two people so i don't i really don't know why kickboxing is not uh it's not maybe at the same level as mma in usa well what's crazy to me is boxing is very respected in the united states and mma is very respected but one of the things that people like about mma is stand- up they like the striking yeah but the best striking

is like glory yeah or muay thai like the best elite kickboxers are the best strikers that's right but i think people love the cage people love the blood so small gloves you know that's what that's what people like people don't like you to don't like uh how you say them uh knock down they like ko or nothing yeah they don't like the break and one two three no they like yeah they like to see to to watch ko so that's what i think that's what they prefer yeah and then they well is there a movement at all to try to get mma full mma legalized in france uh i think in january is gonna be it's gonna be okay so they're gonna have to allow strikes on the ground yeah yeah everything everything soon soon in january oh in january january oh january oh okay and i think ufc gonna

come in so they'll probably be ufc in paris yeah for sure okay i think that sounds wild yeah yeah well the more guys like you get involved in mma though the more it complicates kickboxing though because like when elite fighters world champions like yourself make a jump to mma then people might look at kickboxing as a stepping stone instead of as a valid individual sport yeah yeah that's right but uh you mean when a guy step from kickboxing to mma yeah they're like maybe people won't care as much about kickboxing because they'll look at it as a stepping stone to mma yeah yeah of course and uh yeah yeah that's right that's what i that's what i want to i want to do also because because I think for a guy from kickboxing to go in MMA, it's not really difficult for him if he learns the ground game.

And wrestling takedown defense. Yeah, wrestling takedown defense. If he learns that, it's going to be more simple than a guy who comes from Muay Thai. Muay Thai is really different like kickboxing. Kickboxing, when you fight in kickboxing, you move a lot already. You're not a standing target. Instead of Muay Thai, if you watch Muay Thai fight, they don't move a lot. They stay still and the fight is all about power, power kicks, power punches.

Why do you think that's different? Because of the clinch, because of elbows and knees? Because of the movement. The movement. In MMA, they stay still. And in kickboxing, there is no break. They just keep fighting, one, two, three, one, two, three, one, two, three. And in Muay Thai, it's more like one, one, one, elbow, knees.

And, yeah, also, but the clinch is good for MMA because then, you know, in MMA, yeah. The Thai clinch. Yeah, of course. This is good for MMA. Now, in France, is it easy to get wrestling? Do you get wrestling training? In France, I get grappling training. I think here in USA, you call that BJJ no gi.

Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, no gi. That's why I'm training in France. What about takedowns or takedown defense, wrestling? But, you know, this style of no gi training I get is a little bit different as BJJ because we start on our feet and we used to wrestle and then after the takedown we continue. Right. So it's not like an Olympic wrestling. Right.

But they call that luta libre. Okay. I don't know if you have heard it. Yes. No, luta libre is what they call it in Brazil. But I know what you're saying. Yeah. Yeah.

So in America, most Brazilian jiu-jitsu, they start on the ground already. They'll start on the knees or something like that to avoid accidents. Because, you know, you've got a class full of 40 people rolling around together. And they're trying to tackle each other and collide. And people blow their knees out and things along those lines. That's crazy. Yeah. So that's why I'm training in Paris for a big team, the coach is Medhi Othman, he's

very good and he says for a few times I'm very very good, I learn fast, I learn very fast. Of course, you're an elite athlete. Now at 26, how much time do you think you need between now and when you have your first MMA fight? You know what is my dream now? Now I beat everybody, so I'm getting bored in kickboxing. I'm still defending my title because I like it, because of the cash price also. of the cash price also. And my dream is, I'm still in contract for one, one year and a half, a little bit more than one year.

So my dream is prepare myself to MMA during one year. So I still got time. time and after the the end of the contract directly go to UFC and take the champ for a direct title shot or a top five rank guy I really I really really would like to fight Nate Diaz or Anthony Pettis for from my first fight mma to why to to to shock only to shock the world to to show everybody that a guy who comes from kickboxing directly his first fight is against a top guy in mma and he he him up so that's what I want to do and I really really believe in me

and I know I will I can and I will do it now have you been in talks with the UFC does the UFC

know about your plans not yet not yet what they do now not yet but I think after this show there we have

now they're gonna know yeah so you're training at AKA. Was that the first time you ever trained up there? No, that's my second time. Second time. When did you train before? Before was one years ago, November.

Yeah. I came here after my glory fight. I broke my ribs. So I took a little bit vacation in Thailand. And then after that, yeah yeah I just fly to a case on Jose and yeah I meet I met everybody DC cabi wasn't there but I met there a lot of great great teammate the the West Wing level is just amazing there so I met have also yeah Javier Yeah. Si. So that's a great camp for a guy like you too because it's very wrestling heavy.

Yeah. That's what I like. Yes. I want to train, you know, what did I say to Mehdi in France? I say I want to train wrestling, BJJ, like I want to be a world champion of wrestling, you know. Yes. So I just want to train wrestling like a wrestler. I don't just want to train my takedown defense or shit like

that no I just I want people to be afraid of me on the ground you know I learned fast as I really like it I think that's the level I wanna get and how is it going when you train at a K are you hanging in there? Do you find it uncomfortable? How's it going? Of course, as a striker, in striking, yeah, my level is higher than anybody else in AKA. But in the ground, yeah, they're fucking, fucking strong. So, yeah, everybody, I tap. Every day i tap in a case yeah yeah for the

moment and uh yeah they say i learn you have plans on tapping yeah of course yes for the moment i tap and because i'm learning and they say i learn very very very fast like they show me once and then i get it you know five minutes later I get it. And so I feel very confident for the future in MMA and I think I will do it. Well, I'm hoping you do. It's always exciting to see world champions, particularly kickboxing, make that way to MMA and to the UFC. And for a guy like you, it's the perfect thing because you're so young, because you're 26 and you're already a very accomplished world champion that's right and you I think I'm thinking about Israel Addison yeah you know he he he in Ada he couldn't do it you know well he was very smart yeah

it's real the way he planned it he really worked on his takedown defense and made sure that by the time he made it to the UFC, he was already at an elite level. Yeah, he was an elite, but he got a title shot in Glory and he lost. And after that, he went to UFC, you know. So that's what I want to do. I want to be the only one to be able to do that, you know. And Glory kickboxing champ and then UFC champ. Yeah, he fought Willness, right? Willness, yeah. Yeah, very close fight.

Jason Willness was very close. I thought he won. Some people thought he won. Yeah. And some, no. Yeah. But Jason Willness is elite. He's elite, of course, yeah.

Very, very high high level fighter yeah well glory is like so exciting i'm such a fan i love watching it man it's like one of my favorite things to watch yeah just uh it drives me crazy that it's now popular and i was very excited when it was on spike tv in america it was they were making a big deal out of it it looked like they were gonna you know try to promote it as much as possible, and they tried it for a little while, and then they stopped. And now it's on ESPN a little bit,

and it's on UFC Fight Pass, which is great. I think the country where Glory is very, very most popular is in Holland, I think. Yeah. In France, it's also popular, you know. Yes. Some people recognize me in the street when I i when i'm in france yeah because of glory is is very popular in europe well uh myrtle growing heart he's is he the guy that you're

fighting next uh he's the guy who want me to beat his ass next but i don't know if i will fight him next do you have a fight scheduled next not yet yet. Because Growing Heart's been talking a lot of shit. Yeah, he's talking a lot of shit. Because he knows I'm the money fighter. So that's why he's talking against me. But yeah, I would like to fight Myrtle next. Because when we fight each other, people really, really like it. It's a great fight.

He's very good. He's a very good fighter. He's very entertaining. And yeah, people like it. But you've already beaten him sorry have you already beaten him yeah of course yes of course what did how did that fight go i'm trying to remember uh i i i won by point but was it a good fight for me you know wasn't a good when i look at that fight today yeah for sure i'm saying that it was that four years ago? How many years ago was that? Yeah, four years ago.

Four years ago, yeah. Yeah, four years ago, yeah, before the belt. Yeah, four or five years ago. I was in Paris. And, yeah, I won the fight. And, yeah, for me, it's going to be interesting if I fight him because I fought everybody in that division. So I don't know who's going to be my gonna be my next opponent but yeah sounds good for for

myrtle and then yeah it's gonna be it's gonna be only rematch you know on the rematch rematch rematch for them so from then out one year plus then you make your way into the the world of the, no matter what. Even if Glory comes with more money, if Glory's like, listen, Doombay, we love you. Stick around. No, I really like Glory. Glory is my first great experience as a real champ. And they are doing a great job for me.

I really like Glory. But I have to think about me first. Right. Your legacy. Yeah, my legacy. And I like to do what I love to do. So for the moment, I love kickboxing. I love defending my title. I love the Glory event, you know the the team I love everybody

and everything in glory but tomorrow I don't know I don't know I just gonna follow my my goal follow my my needs and yeah I want to be the, I hope, the first French UFC champion. And that's what I want. I want to chug the world. I want to write my story and a new story. People never heard about it. So even if glory come with a big, big, big money, no. I just want to follow what I want to do.

You just have a plan. Yeah, I have a plan. And I know I will get more after that. So I will not fail. I'm confident. So you've been out here now. You went to the UFC event. And then you did some training at AKA.

When you are outside of camp, say, whenever your fight is scheduled, what kind of training are you doing when you're not in camp? Are you mixing it up now and trying to do a lot of jiu-jitsu, a lot of BJJ? When I'm not in camp, what I do, my conditioning trainer, Valentino Gargiulo, he follows me everywhere. He's with me today. We just train strange conditioning because before that was my weakness the condition i used to knock everybody out at the first round so i never trained my condition i never took it very serious because i used to

knock people out at the first round so when i did my first five round i was like wow damn the condition is so so important so that's why i'm training a lot you know uh strange for sure conditioning and also yeah when i'm not when i i don't have a fight kickboxing fight plan i train bgg i train wrestling mma yeah, it's a completely different condition. It's crazy. When you wrestle with a guy and then you get up and you're trying to strike. You're exhausted. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Your arms are filled with blood. You don't feel nothing. Your legs. Yeah, it's very crazy. Now, what kind of strength and conditioning are you doing? And how often are you doing it? Like, say, if you're preparing for a fight, how many days a week do you do strength and conditioning are you doing? And how often are you doing it? Like, say, if you're preparing for a fight, how many days a week do you do strength and conditioning?

When I'm preparing for a fight, every day. Every day. Every day. It's not, of course, it's not the same training, but every day I see Valentino and we train together, yeah. Every day. I train more conditioning and strength more than kickboxing really

yeah I don't have a trainer in kickboxing what that's right what yeah really people

people don't believe doesn't believe when I say that but I don't you train yourself I train myself that's insane I have of course

my friend in France who hold hold mitts for me for sure I can I can hold mitts for myself he hold mitts for me for sure I can hold meets for myself

he hold meets for me and we just talk together we just plan a game plan together for a fight

we just talk I'm my own coach you know that is crazy I never had a coach to be at your level yeah to be your own

you've never had a coach no of course I had a first guy to teach you yeah he teach me after that he couldn't teach me anymore because because of his job you know when i when i was young

and then i just moved from uh to country and countries and countries to learn to learn to learn and then came back in france paris and i just trained myself that is insane how many world champions just train themselves? I think nobody. How do you do that? That sounds crazy. But why didn't you get another coach? I don't know because I didn't find a coach who can, I don't know, can just teach me.

I really don't know. That's a good question. I don't know why I didn't find a new coach. I don't know. Have you thought about making any trips to Holland or to Thailand? I didn't why I didn't found a new coach I don't know have you thought about making any trips to

Holland or to Thailand you know Bordeaux in France sure yeah so

I was raised there that's where I started kickboxing I started with full contact

you know full contact sure Rick Rufus was my first idol really yeah

I was watching Rick Rufus his brother Duke is one of the big coaches in mma yeah his name is um his brother duke duke rufus yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah he's a friend of mine he's great oh nice yeah he's uh out of milwaukee yeah yeah rufus sport yeah yeah so when i started full contact i was watching all the fight of uh ofufus, especially Rick Rufus against Rob Kaman the first and the second was crazy crazy crazy

Rick Rufus against Ernesto Oost for contact fight so after my first coach couldn't teach me anymore I just flowed to um amsterdam because of yeah because of kaman you know in my mind i was thinking about okay uh where is the best kickboxer in the planet um holland so i went to holland major gym was famous because of rob kaman because of remy bojansky sure and i went to major gym i trained there maybe two years you, I was flying Bordeaux, Amsterdam during two years. And yeah, the coach was Andre Manard. He teach me a lot. You know, I learned a lot there.

And when I figured out that I couldn't learn anymore else in Majority, I just went to Belgium because I met Samir Majoubi he's a very very great coach for me he's the best coach I never I never had well why wouldn't you spend your camps with him then why yeah because because we meet each other at an event in France and then I saw one of his fighter he was fighting and then when i saw his technique his his condition he was you know his first round was looking the same at his fifth round it was crazy a very very high level condition his name is muhammad and was very crazy and i say that's that's like this i want to fight right he was so technical you know and i say that's that's like this I want to fight right he was so technical you

know and I say that's what like this I want to fight I went to Belgium in Brussels and I trained with him also two years I was driving Paris-Bruxelles Paris-Bruxelles two years during two years I train with him and I that's with Samir that I won my first belt against Nick nikki roscoe he if you watch my fight before nikki oscar and the fight against the kilken he's completely two different fighter so why don't you do your camps with him now now because he live in brussels oh because it's too hard yeah yeah it's too hard i can't anymore So that's why I left Samir. But Samir is still in my corner when I fight. He just come, you know, but I don't train anymore with Samir.

So there's no one in Paris? No, no. Or in Bordeaux that you can? For me, the best, the best, the best trainer, the best school is in Brussels, the Queensberry Gym. And I never found another team with that kind of level. So I cannot train with any coach. I just train myself.

My friend holds me for me. I train with Valentino, the conditioning training. For me, it was more important than the kickboxing. Everybody knows how to kickbox now. We know how to kickbox. But the difference we will be make with the condition for that's interesting you know there's a thought there's a thought process that follows those lines in MMA and it's Marv Marinovich and this guy Nick curse on and

they've only trained a few fighters but they've had very high levels of success because of their conditioning and what they say is that you already know how to fight so just let's concentrate on the conditioning it gets your conditioning to a super high level and that when you're fighting you can just go yeah that's right that's what i say every time when i when i i give advices to people. They say, what should I train? This, this, this technique. I say, listen, between two fighters in the same level, the same experience, what's going to make the difference, the condition in the fight? You know, if you fight one, two, three rounds and then you're fucked up, you're going to lose the fight.

But if you fight five rounds, even if you're not good enough technically, you're going to win the fight for sure. Because you don't get tired. Yeah, that's right. Now, another crazy thing about you that people might not know is that you're a comedian. Yeah, that's right. You're a stand-up comedian. Yeah, that's right. Which is hilarious.

Before, before. right you're a stand-up comedian yeah that's right which is hilarious before before yes but you for you to be a world champion kickboxer and a stand-up comedian that is a very unusual combination that's right because first my first dream and that's still still my dream today is to become an actor a comedian and uh before before i started uh combat sport yeah i was doing stand-up before I started combat sport, yeah, I was doing stand-up, I was in high school also, I was learning

comedy and stuff, acting, I really like it, and then come the combat sport, and then I started to improve myself, to become more, to fight, to fight, to fight, and then I stopped a little bit, yeah yeah stand-up acting but

three months ago I was I played in a small movie short movie in France yeah I played it's gonna it's gonna go out in a few in a few few weeks now when you do stand-up in Paris are you working at comedy clubs like do they have comedy clubs in Paris it's not in Paris uh comedy club in in Bordeaux yeah yeah I was very young I was I still young but I was yeah 18 19 and so Bordeaux has comedy clubs yes comedy club and it's all obviously in French in French of course yeah not in English right have you ever done comedy in English never

never oh yes one in I think you can find it in YouTube is I was I was teaching people

how to cook how to cook a great chicken yeah I did that I did that with Glory I was promoting

my second fight against Nicky Holskin and I was training in Belgium Brussels and I did that with Glory. I was promoting my second fight against Nicky Holskin, and I was training in Belgium, Brussels, and I did it with Glory. You can find it on YouTube. So is that something you would think of doing once you retire from fighting? Yeah, I really want to do it. That's my first way.

That's what I really, really want to do in the top of my bottom of um in the top of my heart that's that's what i want to become because i read that you if you had to choose between being a famous comedian or a famous fighter you would choose to be a famous comedian yeah for sure really yeah really but that's so crazy when you see how good you are fighting yeah you know people people doesn't believe when i say that but if if i didn't find if kickboxing didn't found me because i think i didn't find i didn't found kickboxing kickboxing find me if kickboxing didn't never find me i will follow my my way in comedy stuff yeah

yeah for sure. And now I'm good in kickboxing, so I just follow myself. Well, you're better than good. Yeah, yeah. Thank you. Now, how did you become, how did kickboxing find you? You said it found you. Because I was 16, so 10 years ago, I was 16,

and I was playing soccer. I was playing soccer, and i wasn't that good i was yeah just i was just fast you know fast and in front of the goal i was falling no i wasn't that good you know and um one one day my cousin just just called me and he say hey in front of the house in the neighborhood there is a gym uh boxing is there uh i thought i thought i thought there was boxing like muhammad ali mike tyson i say yeah yes but so what he said yeah let's go try yeah it's gonna be maybe it's gonna be funny you know i saw i saw people who goes out from there they had the how you how you call that black eye yeah black eye he says it's gonna it should be funny i said okay

once we're gonna we're gonna go there so after my um my soccer training i went there once i tried and i i discovered that it was full contact with legs, with high kick, middle kick. It was a little bit strange, but I just follow. I just train, getting better and better, and yes, I like it. So immediately, like you caught the ball. Yeah, immediately. After my first training, I went there. And you know that my mother was against that. She said, no, no, no, I don't want you to fight.

I don't want you to train boxing. I don't want you to fight I don't want you to train boxing I don't want any boxing in this house I was I cried when when she she said that because I really like a full contact combat sport so I cried when I when she told me that and I was training but she doesn't she doesn't know that she doesn't know that no Secret. Yeah, secret. It was secret. How old were you when you had your first fight? My first, 17.

17. She didn't know. So this was full contact? Full contact, yeah. I did maybe three years full contact, and then I have to kick back. Let's explain to people who don't know. Full contact is no leg kicks. Yeah.

No. Full contact is no low kicks. Low kicks. Yeah no low kicks low kicks yeah yeah yeah that's what oh yeah okay kick the legs yeah yeah yeah you guys have different terminology because it's called low kick and oh yeah we call it leg kicks yeah but low kicks is correct low kicks is correct so uh you just can't kick the legs which is interesting because that's very effective and you're very good at that yeah that's a big part of your game right now yeah so but i'm better in boxing so because i start with with full contact and it's a little bit it's a little bit similar than than boxing the way you move the way you fight because no low kick no leg kicks right so yeah it's a little bit similar as boxing and uh when i was training uh full contact i was watching a lot of muhammad ali so

a lot of movement yeah a lot of movements yeah i'm better in the in in boxing when i fight kickbox when did your mom find out after after one year after my first fight she was like where one where was you i said no i wasn't in the soccer training and she said why do you have gloves and say oh sometime i go to watch boxing and she said i told you i don't want you to watch and to to fight i said no no i don't i'm don't i know i'm not training just watching she said no i don't want it and every day i just went to the to train to train to train and she doesn't see me with any uh black eye or things like that so one day she was very very tired and i say yeah mom listen i went to the boxing training. And she was like, okay. And then the day after I went to the boxing training, she was like, okay.

I think because she didn't see me with any black eyes, that's why she was scared at first. Right, she didn't want you to get hurt. Yeah, and then she just accepted the thing because I make, in French we call that forcing i just i just went to the training like it i like it so i do it and today what do you say in french forcing forcing yeah forcing like we just uh we just go hey you you don't care you don't care if someone they say don't do that it's like it yeah like it and let me show you a video okay of my mom

so it's very funny because sometimes i send her this video i say look at you look at you you you didn't want me to to fight first and now look at you and now she's very excited yeah well i mean she must be happy that you're doing it now now that you're world champion yeah she gets to watch you on television yeah that's my motivation my mom oh that's beautiful yeah for me it's everything if i count through my stories is uh is amazing my mom did oh look at your mom oh that's amazing yeah wow that's incredible man oh man oh that's amazing that's amazing and now she's like that and i that's got to be so crazy imagine if you're a mother you give birth to a boy you give birth to a child and then you grow that they raise that child and then you watch that child become a world champion yeah that must

be crazy your baby yeah your baby for her people up and she's like and when i when i sometimes when i talk with my mother i say listen i really I do my best in the gym I train every day harder than harder to to to knock people out and I really hope that I will never get knockout because I don't want you to see to see me yeah fall down you know I don't I don't want her to feel this uh this kind of emotion yeah i just want her to be to be happy that i won so you train very hard so that's why yeah there it is we're watching the video here yeah that is an amazing video look at you strutting too and you know the the woman she's hugging she she doesn't even know her. It's crazy.

Your last fight against, how do you say his name, Nabiev? Alim Nabiev. Yeah, he's a bad motherfucker, man. He's very good. And for you to knock him out like that, the way you did. Nobody knock him out in glory. He's very tricky. Yeah, he's tricky.

He's sneaky. That guy fights very technical. Yeah. But I was so focused on that fight because did you ever see robin bra you know who robin black is no robin black is a friend of mine and he he breaks down fights yeah he he talks about like what someone did that worked so well the guy who say enjoy the hostility my friends yes yes yes that's exactly the video He's famous for saying Bink Bink Bink

Yeah I know the guy Yeah I love that guy He's a good friend of mine But he did a breakdown Of your fight The way you set up That right hand

The way you knocked him out It was very cool It's very cool to see That getting more and more attention Yeah Nabiyev is very good man So for you to set him up like that Dude

Second round As I say Before the fight I say I would knock him out at the second round. Because second round, the first one for me is just warming up. And then the second round, I feel very, very good. That is the most dangerous round when you fight against me. Because the second round, I'm warm, you know. I'm just ready. I'm ready for everything. So he's a very good fighter.

You set a trap for him, though. A trap? Yeah, the way you set that right hand up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. For me, I just follow my plan, you know. I just wanted to fight. I didn't want him to read my move, my movement. So he just, the KO came before that knees

before that knee because I touch him with a left hook and the right hook he was wobbly on his legs mm-hmm and then yeah he just throw a knee and boom yeah so the finish now it's very impressive yeah very impressive to knock that guy out and that has to be so as you're looking at your career now and you're saying that there's no one else to beat

after you knock out a guy like Nabiyev does that make it harder for you to get motivated no because for me the more I win fights

the more I'm getting to the top of the world like UFC champ and after maybe after the UFC belt I will have another I don't know maybe a crazy no for me I still get because if I now I'm glory champs so if I lose my my my title defense now I'll go down so go down so i need to keep the same same level yeah yeah the

same level so that's what motivate motivate me yeah so when you were telling me that you do uh strength and conditioning every day like what kind of stuff are you doing today like we talked today and you said that you were running on the beach yes so uh today i wanted to train first like um it's not a it's not strange but it's uh like um i don't know how to call that in english but uh it's like conditioning uh conditioning training we we want to do and i think that's what we will do after and conditioning with um as a bike yeah those are amazing also um also running i saw your your different stuff also running and he's like he's training me um the same way i have to i have to feel the same thing i feel inside the cage inside the ring so that's that's that's the conditioning uh training so

today was a relaxed run relaxed running and yeah tonight is gonna be harder you know where are you training tonight tonight i think i will train right after the show uh in your gym all right yeah and i gotta take a picture of that such a dumber in my gym so i think i will train there because you have yeah your gym is so so full is so complete so exhaustive so cool I like it so you will see how we're gonna train okay I cannot talk about you know I'm like you know the tip yeah you're the coach tell me what I do push-ups okay I just do you just do it yeah sometime I ask question like when I'm in the cage in the ring why do I need to do that and then he explained to me and then i okay let's go

but uh no i can talk about uh exactly the the training what does that mean so he has you do a lot of cardio exercises but i just want him to yeah that's what i say before we we start a training camp i say hey i want my cardio better than ever, and I want to keep my power, even improve my power. You say, I got you. And then we go. So is there a lot of weightlifting as well? No. No.

Not a lot. We need to maybe twice a week. We do that very poor training twice a week, legs and upper body. And then what kind of weightlifting are you talking about? Like Olympic-style training? Are you using kettle kind of weightlifting are you talking about? Like Olympic style training? Are you using kettlebells? How do you call that? Squats.

Squats. Deadlifts. Deadlifts. Cleans, presses, stuff like that. Yeah, yeah. Power moves. Not presses, but we do it unilateral, like one leg, one leg. Okay.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what we do. Yeah. He likes CrossFit also. Oh, Crosshmm crossfit do you use kettlebells I hate kettlebells yeah yeah because that hurt me yeah I don't like the feeling and I have big hands so my both of my hand inside the kettlebells yeah I feel like oh for swings yeah yeah yeah well as you said If you learn how to do it correctly It doesn't hurt as much

Yeah Yeah you just gotta learn How to swing it through When I put it here Swing it through When he comes here Yeah That hurts me a lot

Yeah it lands on your forearm A little bit Yeah But you gotta learn How to just rotate it through Maybe As you do it You rotate it through

Maybe I don't have the technique Yeah I bet it is Did you ever get a good Kettlebell instructor To show you Kettlebell instructor to show you kettlebell answer yeah i even don't know that you don't even know that they're a thing yeah i could show you a little bit but i'm not qualified to really show you but a really good kettlebell instructor it's a technique as you're swinging like if you're like cleans yeah as you come to

clean as you're doing it you're just sort of punching through a lot of people they lift it up and they just boom oh yeah yeah you don't want that you want just sort of punching through. A lot of people, they lift it up, and it just falls. Oh, yeah, yeah. You don't want that. You want to control the kettlebell. Oh, I got you. Yeah, yeah. I get it.

Yeah, I'll show you some stuff afterwards. I'm a kettlebell fan. Yeah? Yeah, I love them. Yeah, but obviously you see all the machines out there. I saw the Caesar kettlebell. Caesar, the monkey. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, we have Bigfootfoot i have an alien i have gorillas i have chimpanzees yeah do you see the bigfoot one that's the biggest one that's fucking huge bigfoot's ones like yeah that's i don't know how many kilograms that is i still it's like yeah we got star wars ones yeah we got uh yeah darth vader yeah those are all from on it yeah we have a bunch of cool looking kettlebells but just regular kettlebells are fine you know i'm a fan i just think they're the great thing about kettlebells is they make you use your whole body make you use everything all at once oh not like um no regular weight right not like isolation exercises yes do you do battle ropes do you do that i do that i do it yeah i like it the most that i like is the you know the the things where

you run but it's not electric you just run and yes we have one of those too that's a that's from the same assault bike company yeah it's what is it called the air runner assault air runner yeah that thing's the shit that's so good it's fucking hard to run that that's 13% harder than regular running oh that's what I felt

yeah because you're forcing your footsteps that's what I said Valentino because he wrote me a program like 400 meters

you do this 400 meters 800 I was like it's fucking difficult in this machine it was like maybe you were tired

I said no It was good No that machine's hard Oh yeah It's very very good What about the Versaclimber You ever use that one Versaclimber

That's the one Oh yeah I use it once It's fucking That's hard I got that out there Yeah I saw it Yeah for arms

Yeah No that's amazing For the cardio It's good also Yeah it's amazing How many different cardio, it's good also. Yeah, it's amazing how many different machines there are that you could get your cardio on. So the beautiful thing about it is I like it because it's variety. You know, different things all the time force your body to adapt to different things. My best training, what I like to do is to run, but on stage.

On stage, yes. That's the training I prefer yeah I do it once a week yeah once a week every Thursday morning that's the training I prefer because I have big legs and yeah it's also not pounding too right cuz you're pushing off yeah you're pushing on just slamming it's like when people have friends that run on concrete and like yeah if you're bad for your knees that can't be good yeah no it's good for me i like it well hills hill stairs yeah i prefer oh yeah yeah no do you run you say you ran on the beach today yeah do you have any is bordeaux

bordeaux doesn't have beaches right not not in bordeaux no but the beach is two hours far from too far from too far yeah too far yeah it's too far to go training that's a great way to run too though if you can run on sand

yeah on sand it's very good for the cardio and also for legs you know that works a lot of muscles

very deep deep muscles yes that's what I like now when you're training and you're doing strength and conditioning

are you using a heart rate monitor? Are you using? Yeah. What's the brand of the? Polar? Polar. Yeah, that's what I use. Yeah, sure.

Very famous. And it's especially for the trainer because I don't care. He just look and make his calculations. It's mathematics. So he keeps you at a certain heart rate. Yeah, he want to keep me on the do you monitor your heart rate in terms of like when you wake up to make sure that you're not over trained no i never do that no no i just i just go training if i feel good i go train if i

feel tired i go train you know it's so funny man so so many elite fighters the same way i had terence crawford here the other day yeah same thing yeah you just go train yeah yeah i like whole school old school things i like also new school things like you know polo things you know i like those kind of new things but for me the yeah the compass part is is a mind thing also you know yes you Don't get too much, how you say that, too much electronic, technical, yeah. You just, hey, you have to train twice a day, every morning, every evening, let's go.

You feel tired, let's go training. You know, when I'm sick, like when I get the cold, I just go running, training, you know. And instead of people who say, no, I'm tired, I don't want to train, I go training because I think the sport is the the best medication in the world really that's what i think even when you're sick even when i'm sick and that's that's work because when you say training you're not kick you're not sparring not sparring just running yeah just running hit the bag hit

the bag yeah not sparring because sparring is, then I will contaminate my guy. Contaminate them. Yes, yes. That's funny. Yeah. So when you say mental, do you use a mental coach? No. Do you have, no?

No, because I think some people need a mental coach and some doesn't need. For me, like my story is, I think I have my of course i need a mental coach but i think i am my own mental coach uh my story for me is is a big motivation for me so tell everybody your story it's like it's fucking long but i can tell a short story like like when I think about everything I went through in my life, I'm talking like I'm 55, but I'm 26. But you've had a lot of things happen to you in 26 years. Yeah, of course. I was born in Cameroon,

and then my mom moved to Paris when I was eight. And then one hour later, we went, my sister and I we went to Paris to follow my mom and yeah we was living in a small apartment you know a very small apartment one room you know no water we was we went to the how you say that to restaurant to to ask water with a big bottle of water, empty. We went to restaurant to ask water, you know. It was, yeah, my mom went through so many things. And when I think about everything we went through, when I'm inside the locker room, I'm stressed, you know, I'm nervous.

I just think about it and I say, listen look where you are now you train for that you train for this you train for for everybody is waiting for you everybody is screaming so don't get nervous this is nothing you know so just go and and uh yeah do what you you like fight. Overcoming hardship a lot of times is the best teacher. Yeah, that's right. So you know where you came from, so you know the hardships. And I know where I want to go, where I want to land. So for me, before I fight Nicky Olskan, I used to get nervous in the locker room. And I say, hey hey you want to fight

nikki holstein and are you nervous for this guy right come on i know it's funny it's like you get what you ask for yeah but while you're coming up you're like oh i want to fuck that guy then all of a sudden you're like oh shit he's right here he's now he's time i was like damn the same with me i i talk a lot of shit on the internet before the fight. And when I'm in the locker room, I'm like, damn, it's time. Why did I talk all that shit? Why did I say that? I remember the fight against Nicky.

I make a poster on the internet with his head. Oh, he cut his head off? Yeah, he cut his head off. And I was like, that's what's going to happen during the fight. And he was like, no, I don't care about the internet. I don't care about Instagram. I don't care about talk. I will talk in the ring.

I was like, pah. And during the fight, he was in front of me. And the referee was like check hands if you want if you like he was like he went back to his corner

like let's go I want to fuck him up and yeah I was like oh you talk you talk shit but now you have to back it up

so I remember that fight it was very interesting because I'm a big Nicky Holtskin fan as well during collision the first one yes I remember that fight and I was watching I was like wow like this guy It was very interesting because I'm a big Nicky Holtzkin fan as well. Drill Collision. Yes. The first one. Yes.

I remember that fight and I was watching. I was like, wow, like this guy, he's got his number. Like you, by the time the fourth round came around, I was like, you're ahead on points. And it looked like you had his style figured out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was, this is is I think for me this is one of my best fight in my best fight ever I was so small in this in that fight so yeah you're small in that fight in what way what do you say you said you

were so small in that fight no I said I was smart so yeah because I didn't want to knock him out right I said i i would knock him out but that was fake right yeah that was only a strategy so i know i will i will not i will not knock him out because he's so strong he's so smart and he's a counter the counter fighter so yeah i was very very smart make my points and then yeah after three fights against um three fight after nikki yeah people was calling me a runner because i was making a lot of points and and then now they're calling me the number one powerful power in glory isn't that crazy yeah you fought nikki twice twice when did you fight him again when was the second time i fought nikki

and then i fought kongolo and then i fought nikki again and you beat him again yeah yeah point and after the fight i remember i say you run too much i say respect my style i respect your style i respect my style do you think you'd fight him differently now why would you yeah yeah i think if i fight Nikki, like, tomorrow I will fight different. I will go for the knockout this time. Because I'm not the same fighter as before. So I think I will success, I will knock him out. Now, he's over in one FC now, huh?

Yeah. Which is interesting, because they fight in a cage. Yeah, man. Little gloves, too. Yeah. No. Oh, he's using big gloves. Muay Thai.

Muay Thai, sometimes you find little gloves. They mix it up a lot over there. Yeah, there was a lot of different rules. When he knocked out Cosmo Alexander, though, I was like, ooh. Yeah, it was a crazy knockout. That was a crazy knockout. It shows you how good he is. And then you see Cosmo Alexander fuck up Sage Northcutt, and you realize how good Cosmo is.

Yeah. And then you see how bad Nicky beat up Cosmo. You're like, damn, Nicky's good. Yeah, he's very good. I like, you know, before I fight Nicky, he was one of my, yeah, my best fighter I ever liked. Because when I was watching him against Karim Gaji, the French fighter,

when I watch him against Joseph Valtellini, I was like, damn, this dude is fucking, fucking strong. Or Raymond Daniels, when he beat Raymond Daniels. Yeah, he beat Raymond Daniels. Because for me, Joseph Valtellini is not an easy fighter. He's not an easy opponent. He's very strong. He stopped him in the last round, too.

Yeah, with a right hook or maybe a left hook. Well, Valtellini, who's a really good fighter, he got a little carried away. He was trying to trade with him at the end of the fight, and then Nicky caught him. I was like, I really, really like this fighter. And then when I received that email that I will face Nicky Oskar, I was like, damn, Nicky Oskar.

And you were only 24. Yeah, only 24. So you're thinking at the time, like, holy shit, it's here. Yeah, and I didn't even have a strength and conditioning coach. No, only a kickboxer, only Samir kickboxing. And I was doing my shit alone, running in the morning and just training by myself. What kind of strength conditioning

were you doing other than running uh push-ups running some crossfit but nothing like you're doing now no no no i was doing things i was watching on youtube you know so that's crazy world champion watching stuff on youtube and learning it's a little bit like john jones uh before when he started i heard about him he was saying that he started uh mma watching uh fights on uh on youtube sure yeah you try moves out yeah fights yeah so yeah well some people are just talented yeah you know some people find a way now when you think about those fights like and how important those fights were to you especially the nikki holtzkin fight when you look back it's got to be kind of a crazy feeling that that that sort of that made your career that nikki holtzkin fight

particularly the first one yeah right because you know my fight was a little bit hilarious because the story of that fight I was the co-main event and I think that fight was was made for Nikki Olsen you know because I had only three fights in glory and the put me a title shot as I was a little bit and entertaining and I made poster and things like that they say okay it's gonna be a good good show but that's gonna be a fight for nikki you know for sure i think they say to themselves nikki gonna win the fight nikki is undefeated you know nobody could beat him he's gonna win the fight and uh yeah he's the fight just before badarari and rico fights so a lot of eyes was uh yeah on us so i just created the surprise and uh yeah i just surprised everybody and uh that's why i have a

lot of fans in morocco because they they was waiting for badarari fight and they they saw me so yeah it was like i i received a lot of messages from Morocco like, oh, my brother, I really like your style. You're funny. Moroccans love fights. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Those are wild people. I like the Moroccan fans and Moroccan people because I went to Brussels during two years.

In Brussels, a lot of Moroccan people. In Holland also, a lot of Moroccan people. Do you think you'll be fighting on the next Rico-B hari fight it seems like you think so yeah it seems like when is that because before that there is that december december before december there is a two event in uh in uh in october and they are they're almost booked so i think yeah for me it's gonna be december it's gonna be a good thing because i like badarari yes and uh yeah to fight in the same card this is my third time i will fight in the same color as him as bad heart yeah i'm very interested to see how he fights rico in the second fight me too very very interesting rico is good though very good

and fight me too very very interesting rico is good though very good so he's not crazy cardio for heavyweight crazy cardio is and he moves like uh like a welterweight you know so when he fights he fights like a welterweight it's not like a regular heavyweight well he beat everybody in that division he beats everybody yeah he told me that when he was training when he was coming up he was training with light guys yeah so he's like you have to move yeah he's like so he he developed that cardio and that ability from training with guys like 180 pounds yeah yeah yeah that's why for me and the fight he he the way he fought against jamal ben sadi oh yeah like he he was almost almost done at the first or the second i don't remember he was almost done at the first or the second. I don't remember.

He was almost done. And then the way he knocked him out back in the last or the forefront, it was crazy. I was like, yeah, this dude is a good champ. He's a real champ. He's so smart. He's very smart. But, you know, I like, I really, I think people like Badrari because of everything. His story, because of the

man the bad boy yeah and he's wild yeah he's very strong and he's he's really cool to watch and yeah and when when bother come when um when the the speaker called by the rally and he comes in damn the mood is just you know everybody's you can see the flash of many phones in the out John no it's great it's very crazy feeling when when bother every fight he's the most famous yeah he's a legend and he's not just a legend because of his fighting which is mean he's been an incredible fighter but also just cuz he's so crazy yeah there's so much wild shit he's always getting in trouble yeah that's right yeah that's people love by the way because of the fighter

yeah but also because of the bad boy yeah it's funny fighters that get in trouble conor mcgregor has been in a bunch of trouble lately yeah you know some people are upset at them and some people are not and it's just it's not good you know everything is not good but he's a wild man wild men do wild shit yeah not good to smack that guy at the bar though no i watched that again i thought it was like a touch last time i talked about i thought he just sort of touched him in the head with his hand i saw the video kind of looks like almost like a punch yeah almost like a punch yeah he hit him like a punch. Yeah. He hit him. I misspoke. I thought he just, I basically thought he just touched him in the face.

No. Because I watched it on my phone and it just wasn't that clear. No. Then I watched it on the computer. I was like, damn, why does he do that? I don't know. Maybe the guy said something really bad to him, but either way. Even, he's an old guy, you know, you just.

And you're a big star, so. Huge star. You can't do that. A guy at a bar doesn't want your whiskey what are you even but he's all that the wild shit like grabbing that guy's phone and stomping on it i saw that he's just a little too crazy just a little too crazy sometime i don't understand maybe he was drunk i don't know probably maybe something else yeah i can say nothing about this Yeah But Yeah maybe he was drunk

That's what I thought at first I was like He was drunk But Even your team may control you You know Your guy may got you Yeah

If you offer a man at a bar A drink And he doesn't want it And you punch him in the head He's just like You're definitely fucking up He's definitely making some mistakes But I love watching him fight He's a wild dude and he doesn't want it and you punch him in the head. No. Definitely fuck it up. He's definitely making some mistakes. But I love watching him fight.

He's a wild dude. It's amazing how many fans he has too. I've never seen anything like it. Conor? Yeah, early on. Early on in his career, before he was a champion. Even after the fight.

Of course, when you slap guys, your name keeps building up. But the problem with him is going to be guys like Khabib and he wants a rematch with Khabib. Of course, when you slap guys, your name keeps building up. But the problem with him is going to be guys like Khabib. And he wants a rematch with Khabib. Do you think he... I don't think so. I don't think Khabib's going to fight him.

Khabib fucked him up. Why would he fight him again? That's right. I think... A money fight. Yeah, I think the money fight for him is Nate. Nate is going to fight him again. That's a big fight.

But Nate, they're talking about Nate fighting Masvidal. If he fights Jorge Masvidal, I think that fight is, that's a huge fight as well. Conor may or may not ever fight again. Who knows? He says he's going to, but if he does. Yeah, maybe Poirier. Yeah, maybe, but Poirier's got to fight Khabib.

I mean, that's next month. That's the big fight. And Khabib. Yeah. You know, I mean, that's next month. That's the big fight. Yeah. Right? And Khabib is the big fight. I mean, Khabib's the only one undefeated in the division. Yeah, that's right. His wrestling is fucking terrifying.

Yeah. He gets people on the ground, just beats the shit out of them. I saw him work at AKA. It was just crazy. Khabib is, yeah, he started in a combo sport when he was when he was a kid you know yeah you ever see how they play basketball yeah so that's the craziest will harris my friend was will harris productions he's been in here before as well he filmed these guys playing basketball over there and you watched i was watching that podcast and then after that video

i just went to the to youtube to watch the the video you was talking about and uh yeah the basketball crazy it's crazy the western basketball they're playing wrestle basketball it's like what the fuck are you doing and then he gets a guy in a rear naked choke yeah and the guy tapped and he doesn't give a fuck he keeps going he can't even tap like the whole thing is so like they're they're hard people over there man they are hard people i i watched the postcard he was talking about he went there to film khabib and yes he went yeah well will's very talented will harris he does a great job of capturing these guys stories yeah and put in he's a nice guy so people like him so they're they're loose and

relaxed around him and he's very talented as a filmmaker. So when he puts these pieces together, they're very impactful. And that film is on YouTube? Yes. Yes. All his stuff is on YouTube. What is this? Conor McGregor to face Floyd Mayweather in Japan.

What? Just today? So I just looked up his name. So I brought it up. There's a game show they supposedly have signed to be on where they're going to compete against each other. And this says he's going to sign for a reported $10 million to do it. To do a game show? Non-contact.

A game show? So he won't break contract or anything. What? So he's going to get that much money for that. $10 million for a game show. Well, they paid Floyd $9 million to fight that tiny Japanese guy. He's supposed to be part of that, too. Yeah?

Tension, yeah. Yeah, Nazukawa, who's a bad motherfucker, but he's tiny. He's so small. And a lot of people thought that that fight was fixed with him and Floyd. I was like, no. Like, even good fight commentators thought that was fake. I was like, watch it again. That's what I thought.

Watch it again. First round kill I thought. Watch it again. First round kills. The dude weighed 120 pounds. He fights 126 pounds. Floyd beat the fuck out of him. He's so much bigger. Floyd was so loose. He just walked in

and just clubbed him in the head. This is crazy. When you fight Floyd Merida, you must train like you ever did. But they didn't even give him enough chance. And Floyd was fat. Yeah, he was fat ever did and they didn't even give him enough chance like the he was a couple of months yeah yeah well he didn't have to get in shape for that guy look floyd is way bigger than him way bigger i mean floyd's not a big man yeah he's way bigger

than tension tension's tiny he's a tiny little as but against those other 120 pound guys he those guys up he's really good Yeah he's very good Very good Even in kickboxing He's very very good Very interesting The way he fights He does like wild shit Like weird spinning kicks

Yeah And stuff like Japanese fighters Are very good Like Masaki Nori also Sure He's one of my Favorite fighters in Japan

Yes And the twins brothers Also Yurabe Koya Yurabe And the other guy I don't know It was damaging

To Tenshin's legacy Because Everybody thought He was a joke After Floyd Fucked him up That's what I thought For 9 million

If Floyd let him kick It would be a different fight That's what I was hoping I was hoping When they were Talking about a fight I was like Is this going to be

A kickboxing fight Like maybe Floyd Would be so crazy That he'd say, go ahead and kick. Let's see what's up. Fuck his legs up. There's only been a few world champion boxers. Vince Phillips, remember

when he fought in Japan? He fought Masato. I know Masato. Fucked his legs up. This guy was a boxer. Yes, world champion. Cool Vince Phillips. Yeah.

See, pull that up. Vince Phillips versus Masato. And Vince was like at the end of his career. He's like 40. Is he Canadian, Vince Phillips? I think he's American. I think he's American. And Masato just fucked his legs up.

Damn. Kicked his legs out from under him. Franz Botha. Remember Franz Botha? He fought Tyson. There he is. Vince Phillips. And, you know, Vince was just, it was a fight.

It was just a terrible idea. And he's fighting barefoot. Masato. I mean, he really should have fought with shoes on. Just said, I'm not going to kick. Because he wasn't going to kick anyway. But Masato just fucked those legs up. Did it train like a kickboxer? Or it just went to the fight?

I don't even know, man. I don't know. Because look, he's getting lit up. Shannon Briggs did too. Shannon the Cannon. He went over there and he... Oh, see, he's already done. This is K-1?

I think it was K-1, yes. I mean, they basically just set it up. He's breaking his leg. Masato just fucks his legs up. He kicked into his arms and everything. I mean, Masato barely tried to box with him. And look, Vince is already done. He can't even punch anymore.

Yeah, he's already done. His arms are fucked up. And then Masato's trying to knee him. I mean, he's fucking those legs up, man. It's like a master class in how to fuck up a world-class boxer with kicks. See, look. Masato's already. He's getting him to bite those feints.

Like, look at that leg kick right there. Ooh. You know he's done. His leg is toast right now. He can barely walk. Look how he's trying to walk around. He's just hanging in there. Hanging in there.

No, he can't. Yeah. He's done. There it is. There it is. There it is. He's fucked. Look, he's in agony. You can't. Yeah. He's done. There it is. There it is. There it is. He's fucked. Look, he's in agony.

You can't. Boom. Yeah. A boxer against a kickboxer. No, you can't. It's amazing. People just don't know. They really don't know.

They don't know what it feels like to be leg kicked, especially by a guy like you. Even a kickboxer, even me, when I get a low kick, it's crazy. Even the first round in the ring, because you are in the locker room, you're just warming up, you know, and yeah, but when you're inside the ring, punches and kicks, you feel, I don't know, maybe twice,

ten times more than in the gym. It's not the same. Like a sparring and a fight, it's not really the same. No. No. Because of, yeah, the pressure, the light, the, yeah, everything is different. Sure.

You know? Yeah. Everything. Even the smell of your opponent's body. Everything is different. Some people don't wash just so they stink when they fight. Yeah. Matt Linlin apparently was famous for that.

He used to wrestle that way. used to not not wash himself and then like when guys would fight him they'd be like what the fuck one of one of my last opponents he was stinking as fuck really i can't say his name you can't say his name no he was in glory i was like. At the first one, he clinched me. I was like, pah. Crazy. Do you think they do that on purpose? No, I don't think so. Well, it's a good move. I don't think so. It would fuck with your head a little bit.

No. I was like, pah, damn. It stinks. I would think that would be a good move to smell really bad. Yeah, maybe. Guys wouldn't want to have anything to do with you. Because I don't think they test for that. people put tie all on their gloves oh i had this really one time when i fought in the in france uh the final of the tournament i was after the first one i was my skin was burning i was like it seems like somebody put me you know tie all on the

on your face. Did it get in your eyes? Yeah. And after the fight, my coach told me, you know, that team used to do that. They put oil on their gloves for the first round and then they just punch you on the face, on your eyes. They just clinch you.

And after the first round, you're fucked up. That's terrible. It's crazy, man. I don't know how people can do that. Even if you win the fight. They don't test for that? They don't check to make sure he has on? Sometimes the referee smells the gloves.

That was before. It's a small organization. It's not like Glory. You can't do that in Glory. Did you ever fight Muay Thai as well? I fought two times in Muay Thai rules. Two times. Two KO ko did you fight the same way your same style with a lot of movement and a lot of movement yes but was uh it was yeah all

ko at the first at the first round yeah as i said before i used to care people the first one i didn't care about i just go boom boom boom boom ko boom, boom, boom, care, care, care, before Glory, because now Glory is a high-level fighter. It's not easy to knock them out. Who do you think are the best fighters in Glory outside of you? Outside of me?

Who do you enjoy watching? If Nikki was still there, I would say Nikki, but as Nikki is not there anymore uh which fight i like to watch he's gone also robin van hoefman yes really like he's gonna fight in mma yeah he's gone he's training in florida with henry hoofed oh yeah yeah in florida that's why he told me yeah but now uh as a robin is gone a guy i like to watch fight um yeah instead of bother army but already don't fight uh often yeah i don't know there are many fighters i likes so um so we can look forward to you fighting again sometime around december hopefully

yeah and then when you do decide to come to the ufc please come back and we'll talk about it and we'll we'll make an announcement we'll make a big deal out of it what you mean i want when you do fight in the ufc when you leave glory oh you want me oh yeah okay so we can let everybody know of course of course it's that's a big deal to have a guy like you a world champion kickboxer of course make it make it to the ufc that'll be yeah that's that's that's one of my yeah my big ring if if i had diana white in front of me right now i can hook that up i would say hey diana what's up so you trust your champ now right you trust kamaru's mano you trust your fighter right i'm You trust Kamaru Usmano. You trust your fighter, right?

I'm the best. I'm the best in kickboxing. I'm the best in combat sport. And I can beat your champ. And I can become your next champ. I'm the future, you know. I'm 26. All those people in welterweight division are old, are boring to watch.

So, yeah, I'm the future. And I really think I'm going to beat anybody in that division. Well, there's guys that you're going to have to fight first. I'm just going to be honest with you. They're not going to give you a title shot. They're going to want to see you fight against a good fighter but they could give you a fight against a top 10 contender yeah that because like guys like kamaru usman i mean they will earn their way to be a champion of course you can't just

jump in there i agree but that's that's why it's my dream but a guy like anthony pettis yeah who's still an elite fighter but who just lost Nate Diaz, that is possible. That is possible. That's possible. If you came in with a lot of hype and obviously Glory is on UFC Fight Pass, so they have an agreement with Glory. Yeah, of course. So they could use your highlight reel and watch all those knockouts.

Yeah, of course. We could sell it. Even Glory can talk with UFC and we can make something. And I think, yeah yeah i don't think i will do it so yeah but this is good and then especially as a striker yes that's what makes it interesting yeah the pettis would try to stand with you maybe but first yeah uh yeah as a confidence first i was thinking about diaz because i really like uh the he fights. He's so crazy. Yes, yes. And I think, yeah, I think if I fight.

And because also nobody could knock him out. Maybe I'm wrong. Well, Josh Thompson knocked him out. Yeah, in the UFC? Yeah, he caught him with a head kick. I thought nobody could knock him out, so that's why I wanted to be the first. No, Josh Thompson,

who's probably one of the most underrated fighters ever, who was one of the very best in the world but then he left the ufc when the ufc dropped the 155 pound division many many years back and he went over to strike force and became one of the best he's it's absolutely one of the most unheralded uh professional fighters ever he's an elite elite fighter but he knocked out nate Diaz with a head kick. Oh, damn. Yeah, he's the only guy. Well, he stopped him.

He dropped him with a head kick and then finished him off. I'd be the second one. Well, maybe you'd be the first guy to submit him. Maybe. Maybe, why not? Good luck. Good luck with that. But listen, man, I'm a fan.

It was an honor having you in here. I really appreciate your time. And we're going to take some pictures of you working out here. Of luck with that. But listen, man, I'm a fan. It was an honor having you in here. I really appreciate your time. And we're going to take some pictures of you working out here. Of course, yeah. All right. Cedric Dumbay, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you, brother. Thank you very much.