The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #79 with Vinny Shoreman & Liam Harrison

Episode Date: September 18, 2019

Joe is joined by mind coach and fight commentator Vinny Shoreman & 8 time kickboxing and Muay Thai world champion, including holding the W.M.C. belt, Liam Harrison.

Here we go. Liam and Vinny, my savage friends from Mother England. Thank you for having us back. Good to see you again, man. What's happening? How's it been? All sorts of things are going on. Joe, all sorts of things.

Birthday boy over here as well. 50 today. Happy birthday, sir. Thank you, sir. I appreciate it. You don't look a day over 49 and a half. You're looking good. I can feel it.

I feel it. I pulled a muscle in my leg bowling last night. Oh, no. Bad news, man. When you're a world kickboxing it. I pulled a muscle in my leg bowling last night. Oh no. Bad news, man. When you're a world kickboxing champion and you pull a muscle bowling,

those are sad times. It's pathetic. I'm looking at myself in the mirror this morning when I got up and thought you are a loser, man. What have you done? The worst neck injuries

I ever got was in the shower. I was just turning to get my shampoo just like that. I'm like, ah, fuck, fuck, fuck. Just pop. Look at that.

Knocked over Roy McDonald and Bruce Lee with my shenanigans. My antics. Yeah, that's a bummer, man. Bowling? Bowling, mate, yeah. The thing is,

while I felt it, I thought, I've done myself in here, but I can't lose the game and I carried on. At least I won the game. Well, imagine if you had a workout

and your trainer was like, okay, we're going to do some bowling. You're like, how the fuck? This isn't even an effort. I wouldn't mind yesterday morning. It's a mad round sparring.

I've got a little black eye from it and stuff. Clinching, running, fine. No problems. Bowling. Well, maybe it was like some residual stiffness. Do you know what? We've been driving around a lot. We've been, the schedule's been hectic.

We've had seminars and stuff going on. We've been sat in the car a lot, so my hips have been stiff. So I think it was to do with that, to be honest, because it's right up here on my hip where I'm doing this. Yeah, man, that's legit. That's a big deal. When I come out of here, when I just get up after sitting in a chair for five hours, everything feels weird. I wake up so... You've got to roll it, stretch.

I wake up as if I've been fucking beat up. I don't know what that's about. I don't know. What are you doing? Nightmare demons. What have you been up to? I don't know. I've been asleep. What's that? I've been asleep, so I don't know. What are you doing? Nightmare demons. What have you been up to? I don't know. I've been asleep.

What's that? I've been asleep, so I don't know. You've been asleep? No. Every time I wake up, I'm like, fucking hell in the morning, so I don't know what goes on. Part of me feet, me hips, whatever. Yeah, but you're 50.

I get it. With him, I don't get it. Yeah, I know. You're supposed to be. He's in his prime. Yeah, we've had about 300 fights, haven't we? That's true, too. Kicking fuck out of people.

The craziest Fucking record ever Is probably Lomachenko Right Because didn't he only Have one loss In the amateurs 398 wins Something crazy

Like that 397 397 wins One loss Yeah Which he reversed Twice And then one loss

In the pros Yeah He's obviously not Taking too much damage Either because of his style But even making weight 300 Times 398 times Making weight And stuff That takes it Oh yeah Yeah Yeah, he's obviously not taking too much damage either because of his style but even making weight 300 while with times

390 times making a way and so that takes it. Oh, yeah. Yeah Being on a diet for that long and just being that strict for that long. It's impressive that well as he's moving up He's not cutting it's not yeah, third weight class. This is third weight class, right? Yeah, they're on about him moving down as well What is this? He's going up and down. Yeah, that's what Bob Aaron said What is um so but his last fight against uh the englishman what is his name connelly luke campbell campbell i was there it was a great fight yeah that kid's good he put a really good account of himself because most people in england had wrote him off before it even started everyone wrote him off i'm only

fighting to be fair the second time he went down as well he didn't have to get back up because he'd already put a really good account of him build by that point yeah to get back up finish the fight and finish strong that were you're impressive no he's unquestionably that kid's a warrior i was impressed with his use of distance i mean he gave lomachenko some problems until lomachenko figured out the timing and how to get inside of him and yeah he did he's big for that weight as well andy knows out of box he was a gold medalist himself So He was impressive I was there

And then Lomachenko turned And saw He looked I felt like he looked at me Did you feel like that? You're like a little fangirl Yeah I just went yeah

Well you know what I'm like Hello Yeah I bet he wasn't looking at you I bet it weren't In my world In my world He wasn't You can't say it that way

Does it help you at all To think that he was looking at you? Yes What do you get out of that? he was looking at you? Yes. What do you get out of that? It was a four-hour car ride, and I was in the A&E that morning because I injured myself. I had to go to the A&E in the morning. What's the A&E?

Accident and emergency. Oh, okay. That's some English shit. Yeah. So we had to go there, but all the way there, I was thinking, I can't not go. How did you get injured? Doing weights.

Doing some weights shit and pulled my groin here. So I was like hopping about. And then the nurse at the gym at Four Corners, I was going to train that morning. She said, you better go to Wayne here. So I did. So what was wrong with you? So it was touch and go. I just strained my groin here.

That's it? It wasn't fun. It wasn't fun? It wasn't fun at all. But you're better now? Yes, sir. So it couldn't have been that big a deal. Yeah, but in my world, don't forget. It wasn't fun? It wasn't fun at all. But you're better now? Yes, sir. So it couldn't have been that big a deal. Yeah, but in my world, don't forget.

That fight was like two weeks ago. I'm not a black belt in jiu-jitsu, and I'm not an eight-time world champion. I'm a natural coward. So any little pull just immediately. Yes, straight to the doctors. That's one thing about socialized medicine, that you guys have free health care. Yes. You don't have to worry.

Yeah. You just go show up. Yeah. I'll tell you what last time though when you were on and you told me to do a bit of hot yoga you said yes i did it yeah just started recently my girlfriend started doing it i've just started doing a bit with a mate fuck me that is like the hardest shit i've ever done in my life and you said last time i'll have a joint and go do it it's amazing i had a few like blast on vape last night and i just

melted into the bed i couldn't do that and then go do that. No way. Yeah, you could once you get in there. You actually, it's crazy. It seems like you can't, but I love to get high and do it because it's like I feel everything. I know I'm in tune. I get like 100% transmission from all muscle fibers. Well, the thing is as well,

the beginners all go at the back, so I went at the back, and there's some little old guy with me. I thought, I'll be fucking cool next to this guy. It's all right. I won't humiliate myself myself and he's bending around doing it all perfect and i'm going to have good balance i've had 115 fights so if i should have good balance i'm stood there shaking on one leg and it's like don't stop don't stop and so you're

not stopping until he stops mate it took about 45 minutes in and i was just like checking all over i got to stop before hard man's fucking hard those old ladies make you feel stupid we're 100 it's one of those things where people look at it like it's some relaxing thing it's one of the most underestimated activities you can do in terms of like the amount of stress and strain that's required it's fucking hard you know what i've never sweat like it in my life either even when i've been in a sauna to lose weight for a fight and stuff i've never sweat like that i went must have gone for about five of them easily yeah yeah i bring a 64 gallon or gallon 64 uh it's what is it liters no that doesn't make any sense what would it be ounces ounces is that it yeah yeah 64 ounces of water yeah like a hydro

flask i bring a big one and i just fill it up with ice and water and i just fucking drink the thing the entire time and i make sure i drink a shitload of water on the way over there too you're just pouring water but they did a study recently uh harvard study there's one of them they're doing right now where they're trying to see if the same effects from hot yoga you get from sauna like if it's it's very similar because sauna does you know it's like 40 decrease across all causes of mortality heart attacks strokes with people that regularly do the sauna i think they consider it four days a week they have like incredible results like health-wise because of the the reduction of inflammation because when you're in that heat

it just really reduces inflammation across your whole body. They think that that's going on when you're doing yoga because your body heats up so much. Because even though it's only 104 degrees in there, when you're fucking sweating at 104 degrees, holding those poses and shaking, your body temperature has got to be through the roof. Yeah, 100%. The only thing that saved me on that day,

my friend came with me as well, and he's a big guy. He's like 6'5". So I knew that every time I was struggling, I looked across And he was fucked So I was like Fucked for that Oh yeah Big giant people

You don't realize How badly Out of balance Your body is If you're a weight lifter Until you do yoga Like especially those dudes With little toothpick legs

And a big meatball body You know those guys Yeah That's a fucked up body For yoga man You just fall forward You got no chance Yeah it's like a Like a car with a giant engine

and skinny back tires. You're just sliding all over the place. Not these. It's just, but I think for athletes, it's one of the very best things to keep your entire body balanced, to keep it in tune. I was speaking to someone,

and he was saying, how long do you want to fight for? And I said, I want at least another three, four years on myself. Yeah, I said, I still feel good at the minute. He said, but I said, but I am getting injured more so he said serious i know you've been told to do it so just to do it he said you will get another four or five years out maybe it'll help just so much and i walked out the room i was dead but i felt amazing about 10 minutes after yeah no it's great for you and

it's also for for kickboxer like your coordination and your ability to have a full range of motion is so important flexibility everything yeah head kicks

you know you want that flexibility you want it to be looser so you can let those babies fly yeah head kicks are really my specialty

I'm more of a leg kick type of guy but every now and then you never know it's good to let one go I surprise a few people every now and then how was your knee

I know you had a knee surgery oh yeah it's all good now that go. I'll surprise a few people every now and then. How was your knee? I know you had a knee surgery. Oh, yeah. It's all good now. That was in, I did it in Thailand in December. You got surgery in Thailand? No, no. I did the injury in December and my leg started locking all the time.

And I had a fight. Yeah, fuck that. No chance, mate. You got some crazy ass staph infection right there. Yeah, no way. So I did the injury in December just before I was training for a fight in the end of January

and my leg started locking so I didn't really know what it was. So I thought, I'll get the fight out of the way then I'll go see my specialist get an MRI and see what's what.

Did the fight, got through the fight, won the fight, didn't throw my left leg once and I thought, oh, it's alright now. Went back to the gym, I threw one kick

and then my meniscus tore. It got stuck in my knee joint so my leg locked Like totally bent So I couldn't walk I've had that exact same injury Oh my god It was crazy painful

It was honestly One of the worst things I've ever felt I was rolling around on the floor Like I'd been shot Yeah I went to the hospital And I thought

Because it was so bad And I was just saying Right it's my job They might fast track me A little bit Went to the hospital Oh no we'll let you see We'll let you go for an MRI.

We'll ring you with an appointment. So I had to go home. I sat at home for like four days before they'd even rang. I thought, fuck this, I'm going private. So I went private. By the time I'd had an MRI, which told me what it was,

and had the surgery, I'd only just got a letter to go have an MRI from the hospital. So they were just going to leave me there for fucking however long. I was sat there watching my leg turn into a toothpick, all muscle wasting away and everything.

That's the downside of socialized medicine, right? Big lines. Canada, it's rough. I had a friend. She had to wait over a year to get a knee surgery. She had a torn ACL. Over a year with a bad knee. Just hobbling around.

That's the thing that just left me in the lap. It's good and it's bad, right? It's good and it's bad. I feel all ashamed now That I went in with my pulled groin And you hit me in the leg Didn't You should

And then you were hanging off I got bit by a shark Whatever Yeah he fought with that I had the surgery And they said Oh don't Probably after 12 weeks

You'll be back to full strength You better start fight training again I had a fight after 10 weeks Wow So I did like a full month Just rehab Getting it back to where it was And then I trained for like 6 weeks For a fight and I fought and won championship.

I had that exact same injury. It's called a bucket handle tear. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. God damn it's rough. Honestly, I've never felt like it. Horrendous man. Now when they removed the chunk, is your knee okay now? Did it feel unstable at all or does it feel sore? It gets a bit sore because it's just rubbing on bone now I'm guessing there's not there no i'm sure there's something there oh well that's what it is now they haven't took the whole thing out but they're just trimmed away you know what helps man is uh if you get some stem cell shot in there yeah just make your way down to panama i know you told me that before you messaged me i said get down there yeah i'm gonna might might look into it i was having real problems with my left knee because that's the one that i had the meniscus tear and anytime i

had to do anything rigorous, it would start swelling. It would hurt. And then I got one stem cell shot like five years ago. It's never bothered me. Really? Never bothered me since. Yeah. What about one session?

Is it BPC 157 as well? That's like a new peptide type of thing. I don't think that's for, see the difference between meniscus and ligaments is that that's more of something that they think is really good for tendons and right right yeah but that's there's some real promising results yeah i've heard like people raving about glenn were just telling me about it then like one of my friends from home he uses it on his tendonitis and stuff and he said it's that it's amazing yeah dr mark gordon is using that in his protocols he's that guy that does a lot of work with traumatic brain injuries and different you know people with like pretty significant injuries and he's found there's some great papers that are being published right now

on bpc 157 there you go straight into groin yeah it's a peptide shoot it into the old groin area well i've got a uh limited internal rotation on my left leg anyway come from kicking so limited internal rotation internal rotate um how come from what from kicking from kicking from left kick you saw it doing I saw it doing crossfit

I caught I saw I've got a physio Darren Henlon Irish guy top guy he's been working on it

but this was like 5% this was like 5% of strength of that so that was like 5% yeah it was fucked

so this one's 100 this one's 5 yeah this was absolutely fucked I had like 5% of that so that was like five percent it's so this one's a hundred this one's five yeah this was absolutely i had like five percent of that so what's what's the actual injury um i actually don't know i've got a tight hip capsule and i tore i ruptured my hip flexor that was doing thrusters but i didn't realize i had one leg shorter than the other so i've got one like you have one leg shorter than the other like a pirate how much difference um about that much can you put like that much in your shoe yes i've got one i've got one like yeah so basically i'm disabled why don't you get your leg pulled on when i didn't know what it was uh because he's like is it the bones or is it because of the capsule don't know doctor why Am I a doctor? Why am I asking

you these questions? I haven't got a fucking clue. I just go and see him and he twists it about because it's loads of pain but it's progressively got better.

So how is fighting in one FC? Are you enjoying that? I'm sick, mate. Is it? Absolutely. I love it. I'm gutted that it

didn't come around earlier and now I'm like 33 now so I've only got like three or four years left. I 100% want to finish my I've only got like three or four years left. I 100% want to finish my career with those guys and put in a good run with them. I need to see the event. I hear it's amazing.

Mate, seriously, I've fought all over the world and stuff, and the production and everything there is absolutely unbelievable. Yod Chakri is a top guy as well. How do they make the rule sets? Because some fights are with kickboxing gloves, some fights are with MMA gloves. Yeah,

I'm not too sure to be honest. I think when they send you the contract over, you can say, oh, well, I don't want to fight in MMA,

will you fight in the kickboxing? So I think it's the management team that get a say in it. Like my manager, Richard, he's always said,

no, no, it's dangerous fighting in MMA gloves. You'll break your hands, you'll shorten your career. And I'm like, nah, fuck that, I want to do it

before I retire. I said, I'm old as shit anyway now for fight wise. And I'm like, nah, fuck that, I want to do it before I retire. I said, I'm old as shit anyway now for fight wise. I'm coming towards the end. I said, I want to do it. I remember when I went out

the first round, I went bang with a jab. I thought, fucking hell, that felt amazing. And then he hit me and I went, whoa,

that wasn't a glove. He was like in Home Alone and Marv gets smashed with iron on his face. That's what I felt like. How much difference is it with the little glove? It's weird because obviously the glove's spongy,

so that like, it wobbles your head a little bit. That was like a sharp bang. It's like a bare knuckle basically because those one gloves as well, they're tiny. There's not much padding in them whatsoever. But boxing gloves feel more spongy than we've seen? Yeah, when you get it with a boxing glove, if you get it on the chin, it wobbles your whole head

because it's such a big surface area to hit. With those little gloves, it's hitting you in one point. I got cut four times on one eye. I took three or four right hands and every one of them cut me. So that's how dangerous they are. But I made a stupid mistake in that fight. In Muay Thai with the long gloves, I'll do long guard a lot because it works with the bigger gloves on.

So I can protect myself. I did it once in that fight. I got caught with an overhand right, right my ear and balance went i'd stack a knee got an eight count came back up and then i was chasing the fight after that and then even though round three i absolutely battered him i cut him bad and i nearly stopped him with leg kicks it were only a three-round fight so i'd lost one round 10-8 so first round were even second round him tonight first third round i battered him but it was too late by then so one mistake in them gloves and it is that's interesting that it makes you reassess your defense right because you're second round him tonight third round I batted him but it was too late by then so one mistake in them gloves

and it is that's interesting it makes you reassess your defense yeah because your defense is dependent like you see a lot of guys

like Botter like Botter always fought like this yeah his hands like those earmuffs the first thing I did as well like when I was training

to do it I was sparring with him just to get used to it and I put my fucking hands shut like in a glove I would and did that and someone kicked me and the fucking knuckle stuck in my head like oh my god this is going to be torture trying to get used

to no put your hands flat and more red movement and stuff like that i did that absolutely i really loved it i really enjoyed it i can't wait to fight for him again what did you think when um they had that bare-neckle boxing event paulie malinaggi fought artem levin um so that's a lot i'm love off Malinagy fought Artem Levin I'll say Artem Lobov yeah I'll say

Artem Lobov sorry that's one of the more interesting cases because you've got a guy in Pauline Malinagy

who's a legitimate world champion world class boxer you know a few years past his prime and hasn't really been fighting

but then you see him fight a guy like Artem Lobov who's used to fighting with MMA gloves there's not much of a difference

fighting bare knuckle and Lobov actually was beating him in with MMA gloves is not much of a difference fighting bare knuckle and Blov off actually one yeah eating him in a decision which nobody fucking saw Paulie's not a puncher anyway, so to go into that Against a guy that's naturally bigger as well, but you would have still thought stuff. I didn't enough. Yeah It's a but we ain't known enough, you know, like a guy like Roy Jones jr. Not out boxing him You know I'm saying like if some it's just like a guy like Roy Jones Jr you're not out boxing him you know what I'm saying like if some it's just like a world class boxer

you would imagine even if he's a few little tricks just to get he's still gonna fuck you up he's just gonna make the adjustments

I wonder how he trained for it God knows no idea you know what I mean did he box with bare knuckles he broke his hand

in second round as well didn't he straight away and he broke it bad because a few weeks ago because he's a pundit for Sky TV and the boxing and he had his hand in second round as well, didn't he? Straight away. And he broke it bad because a few weeks ago, because he's a pundit for Sky TV and the boxing, and he had his hand still in plaster or whatever it was then, so it must have been bad. And he's very left-handed as well, isn't he?

I think he had a bad right hand. They never chucked right hands really anyway, did they? He was always left-handed anyway, wasn't he? There wasn't a lot of combinations exchanged, but that's the case with most of those bare-knuckle fights. It's a totally different thing. Yeah, it's getting big in England now as well,

like the BKB thing. They're having big shows, filling out big arenas. I think they've got me down in London at O2 and stuff now. One of my friends fought on it recently. It's getting a really big name for itself. Well, people like the least rules. Violence. Yeah, the least rules possible.

They like it. You know, like Lethway or, you know, anything along those lines. You know, headbutts with Lethway. I mean, they take it to another level, right? Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah. When did a guy come over to England and did some seminars and that? And he was headbutting pads and all sorts.

David Ledoux? Yeah, probably. Yeah, yeah. I've got him coming on the podcast soon. I was a big proponent of no gloves with mma i was like well if you don't have gloves on your shins and your knees and your elbows why the do you have money knuckles yeah i changed my mind the thing is yeah that that's the two worst things i got cut four times on one eye and me hands after the fight yeah because we had like a

bit of a war and i just started swinging all over the place in round three, trying to KO him. I wasn't really picking my shots properly like I should have been. I've got bad problems with this one. I've got a metal plate with this one. The day after I flew back to England, I went to the gym, I put the gloves on just to try and hit the pads and I couldn't even make a fist properly for about a week and a half, two weeks. Just swelling? Yeah, it felt like all my wrist tendons and stuff around here,

I couldn't squeeze a fist properly. They were awful. Wow. That was my own stupid fault. When I was chasing the here, I couldn't squeeze a fist properly. It was awful. Wow. That was my own stupid fault. When I was chasing the fight, I wasn't picking my shots properly. I was just swinging around, hitting the top of his head

and trying to KO him. Yeah, it was fucking good, though. Yeah. It was fucking great. I loved it when I was in there doing it. It was just there. But yeah, it is exciting. One mistake,

it's going to change the fight, which I've learned that now as well. Well, we've seen that with MMA fighters. it's really top flight kickboxers like gokan saki when gokan saki fought khalil roundtree and khalil just cracked him with one left hand and dropped him it's like it's a different world 100 i mean you thought gokan saki man he is one of the elite of the elite in kickboxing he's in mma if anybody's going to beat him it's going to be on the ground yeah yeah you don't expect anyone to knock him out. Anybody can get caught with those little gloves.

Like I said, I did long guard like that, which was stupid. I trained the whole time as well not to do that. Instincts. Yeah, exactly. You go back to what feels comfortable, don't you? It cost me. That's one of the craziest things about fighting, right, is that you train for years and years years and years and then you have this

style and you try to make adjustments during the fight but as soon as things get crazy you go back to what you go right back yeah that's why i always felt like it's it's it's almost not almost it's definitely worse to learn things wrong and then relearn them than to not learn anything at all and then start with a blank slate. Like if you could teach someone and they were 25 and they had no martial arts experience whatsoever versus teach someone and they have five years of some bullshit.

That five years of some bullshit that's going to be in their head. Yeah, muscle memory and you've got to iron it out and it's in the unconscious. That's why we get a lot of people who come to the gym as well who've done karate for years

and then you try and teach them how to kick like the Thai way and you just can't do it. You take it over and over and over. Yeah. Because they've been taught that way for so long it's just so difficult

to get them out of that old habit. You know, some guys were effective even with the karate way. Like, because of the amount of power they could generate. Like,

Cro Cop was a great example. Yeah. He kicked karate style but the fucking power that guy could generate. Yeah, with that head kick. Yeah.

Oh, my God. Disgraceful, man. The body kicks. Do you remember that there's a fucking picture when he kicked Heath Herring? It is, till this day, one of the most, to this day. I was just thinking that. That guy owns that expression forever. Yeah, exactly.

To this day. When he took his glasses off, I was like, fuck. I got terrified terrified i wasn't even the room and i got scared but there's uh there's a shot of crow cop with his shin halfway into heath herring's body look at this picture this picture oh yeah dude that's a big old leg to be ripping through you as well dude oh my god that fucking body shake i don't need like who's that jesus christ i don't know who that is but that's horrific is that head kick as well that is landing on his yeah i don't think that's the one with heath herring the one with heath herring is uh if see there that's the upper

left hand corner that's it that's Oh, that's full of shit. Yeah, look at that one. Look at that one. Oh my God, go full screen on that. Look at the fucking penetration. That is horrific.

And that's all liver. Liver. That is all liver. His arms, back and everything. Oh my God. That guy could generate so much force with that left kick. It's insane.

But that one right there, I mean, fucking A. Yeah, nah. The most horrific body shot I've ever seen in all of MMA. Yeah, it's not even full, it's full shin as well. Full shin. For perfect. Just, it's like a textbook. Ugh! But he, again, karate style. Yeah, yeah.

Initially. When you've got it down to an hour to fight like that as well, you can mix and match with a style winner as gifted as Iwo as well. It's Kyokushin, isn't it? Yeah. Kyokushin karate, the knockdown karate, isn't it? Is it Kyokushin? I don't know if he had a Kyokushin background.

I know he had a traditional martial arts background when he got into kickboxing. But see, here's a good example of a guy who made that transition well into MMA because he was so explosive. Whereas there's other guys, like if you had a guy like Peter Ertz, who wasn't as explosive, he was more of a technician and methodical, or Ernesto Hoost, they probably wouldn't have had the same sort of success in MMA as Mirko did. Yeah, definitely.

Like remember when Ernesto fought Bob Sapp? Yep. Oh, yeah, that's that one, didn't he? Twice. He got stopped by him. He couldn't keep him off of him. Where Mirko fucking Mirked him. Mirko cracked him.

If he were going to do that in MMA, a wrestler trying to grab hold of him, he'd be done with him. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, exactly. You need to have that... Mirko had that explosiveness that those guys didn't have. It's interesting how so many variables change what a fight is.

No gloves versus gloves changes what a fight is, changes your ability to defend yourself. And then whether or not there's takedowns or grappling. That's one thing about kickboxing versus Muay Thai. It's like people say, well, I like kickboxing because it's more action, because you can't clinch. I'm like, yeah, but you're not going to get fucking elbowed straight in the face. Yeah, and the knees to the body and from the clinch

and trying to escape from the clinch is an art in itself. It depends who it is. I mean, now that the generic Dutch style, like you had Ertz, Carmen, and Ernesto Hoos. Now the Dutch style has changed, especially the Moroccans. The guy that's training Badr Hari now Saeed El Badoui different style

all together how so? they use more leg kicks and throw knees up the middle they're really quick with knees now

they can knee in their face and they'll hook you in the body and they'll right knee up your middle it's just a different angle all together

it's like the attack with more sort of more of eclectic mix of stuff, you know? This gentleman who's training Badr Hari, who has he trained before?

Ilyas Belaid, who's a fantastic fighter. Yeah. He's just, he's signed for Bellator. He's from M-Fusion. He trained Melvin for his last fight.

Melvin looked good in his last fight as well. He did look good in his last fight. Yes, sir. Yeah. I mean, a lot of people thought

Melvin was done. Yeah. I really like, and he's a good guy as well he's from El Omane gym Nordin El Omane was a good coach as well he's got some good fighters

but it's these kids that you don't get to see because I'm an infusion who I work for they have like an infusion talent so I see all the new kids

coming through and they are fucking lethal these Moroccans you've seen them Nabil Harouli Nabil Harouli Tyson you've seen him

you like him he's a wild group of people those Dutch Moroccans are wild they're dangerous they're dangerous they're so wild

you know and that's like Badr Hari that's his whole deal you know he's just this wild technical guy Rico

he's fighting Rico rematch with Rico that's a tough fight for him of course it is and Rico is so active Yeah for how long He's had out as well Yeah

How long has he been out Two years Three years He's been out since Yeah but Rico was calling bullshit Rico said he just Wanted out of the fight

When Rico was on the podcast He's like you look at him He goes he looks at one elbow And then he changes his mind Yeah really Yeah I watched that Yeah he said he wanted out He said he wanted out

He was getting fucked up Yeah And he said he knew That I was tuning him up You know And I don't, I watched that. Yeah, he said he wanted out. He said he wanted out. He was getting fucked up. Yeah. And he said he knew that I was tuning him up, you know? And I don't know. I mean, that's also Rico trying to fuck with him. Yeah. Getting his head. 100%.

But, yeah, it's like, I would have loved to see Botter have a few fights and get real sharp. He had, like, one, right? Yeah. Didn't he have one? Didn't he fight? He fought Hedzy, right? Yeah, he fought Hedzy Gergis, yeah. Who else did't fight he fought head see right yeah yeah for head see go guess yeah lots of the fight did he find one of the person

thinking for long to me favorite pull up butter heart he fought long as well he didn't fight anybody else just had see just had to get in and they were yeah before long that was the last fightant since he did his stretch on holiday. So, Hedzy, Rico, he hasn't fought since? He fought before he fought. Does that say he hasn't fought since? Oh, that's Glory, bro. That's the Glory record. In Glory, but he did fight Lant, Ishmael Lant.

Go pull up his Wikipedia record. His Wikipedia record, he's definitely had at least one fight since. Yeah, Lant it was. Yeah. I think he's had two somewhere i don't know i think he fought hedzi again did he fight hedzi again that makes sense he fought hedzi the first time he fought him i was commentating he kicked him in the face didn't he on the floor that was a long time it was a long time ago and it's showtime right

okay what does he got okay so you did fight yeah that's that he is ishmael lont yeah so that was at he had a no contest against Hedzy the last fight? What is that? It says decision unanimous. Why does it say no contest? Did someone test

positive? When did it kick him on the floor? And it's showtime like. But look at this, it says decision unanimous,

but it says result no contest. What the fuck is that? In blue as well. I've never seen that. Yeah, can you click on that? What does it say? PDs. Oh, right, yeah. but it says result no contest what the fuck is that in blue as well i've never seen yeah pull can you click on that what does it say pds all right yeah both fighters let him go both fighters why are you testing badr hari just look at his instagram that's enough you

should just give him a suspension based on his instagram like listen bro he's jacked just give him a suspension based on his instagram like listen bro he's jacked i mean go to botterhart's instagram he's about as shredded as like a professional fighter as everyone he's in ridiculous shape in there so the with this rico fight are they going to test him i wonder i don't know look at him shredded shredded yeahded. He's obviously in incredible physical condition. Look at him. Dude, look at that fucking picture. Get the fuck out of here, man. Come on, son.

He's on all the Mexican supplements. All of them. He should be wearing a sombrero in that picture. Looking good, Potter. I'm really excited about that fight. Please don't test them. I think it's in December. December.

I think it's December 12th. Please don't test them. Just stop, Glory. Stop testing people. Let it go. Let it go. But Saeed is a good coach. And he's some really good coaches in Holland.

Osama El Ghaoui. Really good coaches, man. And he just, it's just different pad style. You know, old Dutch style was right hand to the head, left up to the body, leg kick, left up, leg kick, you know, high kick, leg kick, high kick. But these guys are really intricate. These guys now are all like pro boxers who've been taught a few kicks and knees. They're fucking that good with their hands.

Yeah, they're amazing with their hands. Do you think that that is the way to go? But look at the success that a lot of the Thai guys have had in glory. Yeah, they're amazing brands. Do you think that that is the way to go? But look at the success that a lot of the Thai guys have had in glory. Yeah, they have, yeah. You know, I mean. City-chaiing fat guys like that. They've been dominating. Yeah.

I think it's because a lot of the time, when they have a class, they all train the same. I think they lead off the lead hand a lot. And I think it's very difficult with a Southpaw heavy kicker Thai who can step off. So do you think it's a southpaw issue honestly i think south southpaw style is a completely different game altogether for sure but what about when it's southpaw southpaw when i think what the ties are good at is a lot of the dutch fighters the fighting rhythms so it's like they're bouncing with the feet in and out in and out and then they explode into the combination fighters like city chi and superborn and guys

like they're so good at breaking your rhythm and timing little off balancing stuff it keeps putting them out of their rhythm then they're scoring with their shots stepping off and stuff like that yeah they're so good like even something like a little teetot front leg no i'll just stop them subtly for a minute they'll kick them out score and then move and they're always having to reset themselves which i don't think the dutch are used to really because when they're fighting other dutch or moroccans they're standing in front of each other right you go i go you go then move and they're always having to reset themselves which I don't think the Dutch are used to really because when they're fighting other Dutch or Moroccans they're standing in

front of each other. You go, I go, you go, I go and they're just having a complete war. Something subtle like that while the Thais are doing is just

breaking their rhythm and they're able to score. The trouble is as well though, there's a flip side to it because a lot of Thais start very slowly.

You can't do that with these kids because these Moroccans fight like you've nicked something off them don't they? They fight every week as well. They get to like 23 of that 100 fights.

And the sparring is just fucking ridiculous. It's just crazy. You've seen it, haven't you? They just knock the fuck out of each other. They're in a fight in 16-ounce gloves twice a week. That just seems like they're limiting their future. They are, a lot of them. They don't get past like 26, 27 a lot, do they?

Not really. Just from impact. Just impact. Just going for it. We've seen that with so many fighters i think there's a different sort of um i think they have a more ingrained especially the moroccans have a more ingrained sort of they refuse to lose anything i think even i think it's sort of massive pride thing but the problem is like they love fighting right well you're fucking yourself over and you're going to limit your ability to fight for long periods of time yeah you know i mean i've had to i've done that like the older i've got i've changed my training up we used to spar i had quite a lot of

bad company we don't do that well i don't myself maybe once a week head guards on just hard boxing sparring but i don't do any hard kick sparring at all anymore really i used to no how come i just don't want to save myself. I don't want to injure myself. Is it knees? You're worried about your knees? Yeah, a little bit. And even just picking up knocks now,

the order I've got is I had to check off. I don't think I need to do any hard kick sparring now. I can play a spar and it still gets my eyes working as long as I've done some good boxing sparring, hard boxing sparring with the Edgards on, with James France, who's one of our top fighters, and he's a really good boxer. If I can hold my own with him

I know I'm ready to fight what is the difference in the amount of damage you take with hard kick sparring versus hard boxing sparring the thing is the way

when you start going hard in sparring especially with our competitors we all are at my gym because lots of top level fighters

start going hard and the tighter you get so you get to around 6 or 7 you miss a kick you kick an elbow you kick a knee you do an elbow you kick a knee you do stupid shit

you've hurt your foot and then banged knees you've clasped knees and stuff like that when I was younger I could just check them injuries off I would spar again tomorrow

but the older I've got I don't want to even put myself in a position where I need to do that I don't feel like I need to anymore anyway

I've worked out that play sparring like 50% sparring is just as good it still gets your eyes working it's still doing all the same things just not getting hurt well the Thais really have that

yeah yeah they do it's such a wise thing that they learned you know and when you see guys like San Chai yeah

when he's sparring it's like he's just slapping well when I go to Thailand I train with him at that same gym and that's all he the sons I get there they'll call me in

ring no shin pads just play a spar they spa fucking humiliate me but I learned so much in about three minutes off him and stuff like that play to learn don't they the thing is do that as well

the Cubans when they box they don't punch fuck out of each other either well that's also jujitsu I mean Henner Gracie his whole thing was always keep it playful

he would tell people you want to learn jujitsu want to get really good be playful don't be fucking stiff and tense just flow you get caught you get caught it's play you're playing a game right if you're playing basketball and someone scores in you it's not the end of the world exactly you know about ball goes

in the neck you don't get to your knees and start crying but if you get caught in an armbar it's like your life is over it's not you got caught you caught. You know, if you don't think the guy who you're sparring with can catch you, you're sparring with the wrong people. Yeah, 100%. You know, if you're fucking tapping everybody,

either you're Hicks and Gracie and you're just so good, you're better than everybody else, or you're sparring with people that are not challenging you. It's really that simple. Yeah, definitely. And the thing is as well,

like what happens is like on a Friday at our gym, like the whole gym will likely be changing partners and stuff like that. So if I come across someone who's a bit less experienced and stuff and they're going hard and they're not too sure about what they're doing and you end up getting hurt.

So that's why I took myself out of that and don't really do it anymore. Yeah, that's a wise thing, man. It's wise and I really wish more young fighters would appreciate that early in their career because I think so many of them are compromised by the time they get to the big leagues yeah you know by the time they get to bellator or mma and with ufc or you know even kickboxing guys by the time they get to big fights they've already been dinged up too much they can't take a shot yeah 100 i've seen that load recently as well like fighters were like 27 28 should be just starting the prime now for the next four or five years and they're already punchy as fuck you know i mean i think you said an interesting thing sorry no usek alexander usek yes you know

i'm boring and i'm always watching fights even if it's in you know russian and you know reading the subtitles and there's one about alexander he's boring no i'm boring i just sit there watching fights all the time it's just what i do but um there's a video of usek and he was saying about now people aren't moving their feet he said you watch the American styles and the British

they're all like doing this and the Philly shell and stuff like that they're not moving their feet anymore which I found was really interesting

because if you look the footwork is their footwork is so superior to a lot of people Iman Lama when he fought Tony Bell

you put up a great performance against him but he just put him in a position and the end of it he waved for Tony Bell you put up a great performance against him but he just put him in a position and the end of it he was fucked yeah not many people realised what he'd

actually done either as well he'd put him there and he was waiting and waiting and waiting and when he got him there he knew

he couldn't get out and bang it would have been amazing if we got a chance to see Floyd versus Loma when Floyd was in his prime

that would have been fucking incredible to see which style superior because Floyd would move towards you like this he would just get

right up on you and he'll be trying to move on the back of him it would have been amazing I think it was when you said

he was talking to someone where he was Mayweather pretty boy Floyd and Money Mayweather it's like two different fighters

really because Money Mayweather the pretty boy Floyd was better on, was more on his feet, sharper on his feet. More aggressive. Yeah, more aggressive as well. He were a fighter.

Especially with them right hands when he fought Philip N doing it, he had like six right hands, like bang, bang, bang. Yeah, what he did to Gatti and stuff like that. Throw right up to the body with the right hand. Oh God, that was a horrific massacre. Oh man, it was bad.

I remember watching that, we were only young as well when I watched that, I remember thinking, fucking hell, he's bad, yeah. thinking fucking hell he was executing him no business being in the ring with him I'll just show you how good Floyd really is because of the fact that he's won

decisions by playing it safe people just don't get excited about him and they recognise him with the all time greats, he's the best ever. Yeah, I believe so. I believe so. Look what he did with Canelo. I mean, he absolutely schooled him. You know what?

Shut him down. He just absolutely schooled him. Changed Canelo's style. Yeah, he did. You look at the way Canelo fought Daniel Jacobs. Fucking so much head movement and so elusive now.

Yeah. He learned. Yeah. You know? What do you think about Canelo going up and fighting Kovalev? Kind of crazy. Kovalev's big, man. You know what? So big. You know? What do you think about Canelo going up and fighting Kovalev? Kind of crazy. Kovalev's big, man.

You know what? So big. You know, I don't think I'm rubbish at predicting fights. I am. You're rubbish at predicting fights. For Americans, that means he's not good. Sorry, I'm terrible. I'm terrible at that.

He's rubbish. No, I'm really bad at predicting fights. We have a boxing group on WhatsApp, the boxing team it's called. And I always get it wrong. You guys use WhatsApp. That is such a fucking British thing. No one in America uses WhatsApp. We have groups.

No one knows what the fuck that is. And I think the key for Kovalev is his jab. I think the thing is everyone thinks that he's easy to hit to the body. But Andre Ward Was amazing And slipping underneath that jab He was so good at that

He's just a king Amongst normal people But he was tested in his last fight What's that dude's name? Anthony Yard In round 8 He was gone in round 8 He did well to recover from that

To be fair He got a fucking tag in round 8 I mean it looked bad It looked like he was a couple punches away From being stopped Sav he got a fucking tag in round 8 I mean it looked bad it looked like he was a couple punches away from being stopped saved by Bell 20 more seconds

he might have gone I think you're getting him at the right time I think but Kovalev's still in it with his job he's better now with Buddy McGirt

because he beat Alvarez after that he got lost to Alvarez and he fought Alvarez again and he looked great but against Yard young 8 round 8 Yard's massive as well compared to

canelo but he still stopped didn't have enough experience yeah that's really what it is 18 fights 18 knockouts yeah just white floor with everyone never been in that deep water never been at world level and he put in a good account of himself like but like he didn't yeah dangerous as after that fight yes he's gonna learn from that experience and understand like wow his conditioning is probably a little off maybe he needs to lose a little bit of muscle mass

maybe he needs to put in more running but god damn he's good he's scary powerful kid really powerful you know I mean

even Crusher said it afterwards this guy's a future champion for sure and I felt sorry for his coach because his coach is not

you know a lot of people they find him unsavory in many ways because of what he says and stuff because he said a few things about, he said his skill level was better than Andre Ward's, which is nonsense, no way. He said Yard's skill level was better than Andre? Yeah, he said that. That's hilarious.

And Ward was like, there's a bit of back and two between them. But I do think it's a little bit unfair that he got so much shit. But then again if you say stuff people are going to hear it and want to give it your back so yeah true but i think yards yeah definitely a future champion but it's a hard division oh yeah what's the other guy called he's another russian it's and they're fighting a unification fight soon it's all russian yeah it's a russian division and we were talking about it. Like, look at the division. It's fucking Russian. It's crazy.

And then Jusek is going up to... Heavyweight. Heavyweight. He's fighting Tyron Spong. Yeah, Spong. He's fighting Spong. Very interesting. Very interesting.

That's a big step up for Spong. Yeah, he's going to be a bit too smart, I reckon, Jusek. But Spong won't be afraid to fucking throw down Willie. He's dangerous. Yeah, if you touch him, he can bank at you. Left hook especially. I he he's dangerous yeah yeah he can bank eyes so left hook especially i think he's left on the door he won't be afraid to just fucking go at him either so yeah well he won uh he won his last fight by split decision though in suriname all right yeah so i don't know who he fought i think he fought again um yeah only a couple of weeks ago yeah uh yeah

because he said i think it was based on, because I messaged you then, I was saying I've heard it's Tyrone Spong, and then I think he... Had another fight to keep sharp. Yeah, but I think I like Tyrone. I remember years ago at Showtime, Tyrone was saying that, he said, hey, man, I want to fight this David Hay.

Yeah. I fight him, no problem. So I don't think the Dutch really have got much respect for boxers because every year the kickboxers and the boxers fight

once a year they fight and the kickboxers always win really yeah they fight boxing rules and the kickboxers

and the boxers lose that's what I was saying about it before the kickboxers there now are pro boxers

who have been shown some kicks and they can fight at South Port that's our porn orthodoxy just it's a lot from that big they just chuck stuff about i'm sorry i gotta make a text that i forgot about don't keep talking anyway about me buddy um i'm thinking that with Tyron Spong, what's interesting is that he had this really big career as a kickboxer. He was one of the best. And he has that fight with Gokhan Saki and snaps his knee and his leg in half. The worst thing I've ever seen.

It still gives me nightmares. I've seen that in person twice. Yes, have I. Anderson and there was another gentleman, Corey Hill. Was it Corey Hill? I think it was Corey Hill It's just a rough Fucking break man That's a terrible injury

Because then you're always going to be thinking about that When you throw it And then they also say that when you have those metal plates Like Paige Van Zandt is dealing with that Like the area where the metal Meets the bone Sometimes it compromises that bone And so it snaps

It's like she's had like I think three different surgeries On her forearm She broke her forearm throwing a spinning back fist And hit somebody in the forehead That's the way Paul Felder broke his too He threw it And you land like this

With your forearm instead of your fist And just your arm snaps I think he went to savas michael savas oh he got a fight and won and he fought lucilla and he got his leg caught and he lifted him up and swept him and he tried to put his hand down and his elbow dislocated and like twisted the other way horrendous he's a good kid he's a great fighter but he's getting his back home in cyprus now recuperating but yeah it's a shame that as well because the kid's 20 years old he's a massive star he's a great fighter but he's back home in Cyprus now recuperating it's a shame that as well because the kid's 20 years old

he's a massive star in Thailand they were going to give him a stadium title shot he's just making a name for himself on one

he'd smashed his first fight so I think you're in line for a one title shot as well which is fucking big money

when you're going to be 20 years old and then that happened to him is it the elbow joint though is it just the joint

I'm not sure I've not spoke to him for a while yet I spoke to him a lot long back and he were in um rehab and i was just like doing some like really light exercises trying to get back but it looked like in this like a frame thing yeah it looked like the elbow his arm was like twisted around it horrendous dude i was in utah recently i was in park city and uh my family and i were driving down the street we saw this lady fall down on her bike she was on the other side of the street and she was crossing and something happened she slipped and she fell and she was just yelling for help and so uh we we looped around parked the car i get out

in her fucking elbow oh it was like it was like the bone went like this and the elbow went like that and i'm like stop moving and they were trying to do that the elbow went like that. And I'm like, stop moving. What are you trying to do there? She can't do shit. And they were like, let's take your backpack off. I'm like, don't touch her. Don't touch her backpack. I'm like, grab my hand.

I'm going to help you up. We're not going to move your arm. Your arm is broken. I've never had a broken bone. She was like freaking out. She was 50. Never had a broken bone. Never had a broken bone.

And then the lucky thing for her the cops were there but it's like seeing you're a bone of a person that's just clearly snapped and seeing the elbow just kind of hanging loose

it makes you realize how fucking fragile we are when I used to play football soccer I seen it all the time you know like 50-50 challenges

where you just do and you think oh someone's brought the leg there and you don't look but then you do look oh fucking hell yeah it's bad man it's just we're so fragile but then you think about look what we enjoy like we enjoy sports that are designed to break your

fragile body like that fucking thing with merco and heath herring. Who would ever engage in an activity where that's possible? Where someone can do that to your ribcage and... We're not meant for shit like that, but we find the way to fucking persevere and go through it. And then you rewind it and watch it again. That is weird, right? The enjoyment of watching someone get smashed.

Put it on that, rewind that, put it back. God damn, it's so enjoyable. It is. It's the most fun. It is enjoyable when you're in there actually doing it. I've had the most rewind that put it back god damn it's so enjoyable it is it's the most fun it is enjoyable when you're in there actually doing it I've had the most fun

in some fights that I've lost as well even when I've lost and I've been getting hurt myself I've had some of the most fun in those fights they've been some of the

best fights that I'll take away with me like the second time I fought Sanchai we absolutely battered each other that fight I cut him really bad

with an elbow and he hit me with a body shot in round three. And I remember thinking, oh my God, I didn't think he could punch that hard. And I was just, I took about four more in a row and I thought,

I'm going to have to take a knee here. And then he ran in to do it again and I elbowed him and then cut him. And I thought, fucking hell, this is amazing. Now I remember at the time thinking, this is fucking amazing.

Like looking at him and he was bleeding. I couldn't breathe. And I remember thinking, fucking yes. You know what I mean? Well, that's why people love you. Because you have that sort of lust for combat. You know, it's like that, you either have that or you do not.

You know, some people, they look for a way out and some people look for a way in. Yeah. You know, I mean, that really is the difference between people who, win, lose or draw, love a real epic scrap. Yeah. And I think that towards the end of my career now, when I was younger, a few times I'd go on back foot

and try and point score and not get hurt and stuff like that. Now I'm just seeing it as I'm an entertainer now. Do you know what I mean? People pay their hard money. They go out and work. And if they're buying a ticket to come watch me fight, they're going to get fucking fired.

Do you know what I mean? Win, lose, or draw, I will go out on my shield and I'll give them ticket to come watch me fight, they're going to get a fucking fight, you know what I mean? Win, lose or draw, I will go out on my shield and I'll give them what they want to see, that's how I look at it now and even my last couple of fights, Vinny said,

don't fight like that and I'm like, you know I'm going to and you know I'm going to enjoy it and that's that. You know, you go through all these things and he comes and trains

at the boxing club right near my house, Four Corners, John does great work, if you don't know John Gilley he's down there and he's like, yeah,

I've got him to slip and he's doing all this, and he looks great on the pads, and he just goes. Fights down, yeah. You know, it's interesting, I wonder how many fighters' careers could be extended if they took a different approach to the way they recuperated between fights, because I think so many fighters, they'll have a fight, they recuperate a little bit, and then they have another fight, and they recuperate a little bit and then they have another fight and they recuperate a little bit and there's a lot of benefit to that in terms of your timing and then your relaxation inside the ring because

you're so used to competing it's like you get that more but then your body i feel gets compromised after a while you see like they're throwing punches different there's not a lot of fluidity to it you wonder like if they did a lot of physical rehab or preparation in terms of weight lifting and stretching and yoga and maybe even Pilates and chin-ups and push-ups and just strengthens their body more. Everyone's concentrating on fighting techniques. It's fighting techniques, sparring, getting in condition, making the weight. But physical training i've only just realized this now towards back into my career and stuff as well that's why all ties are like a lot of them are retired by time to 25 26 yeah about two 300 fights

the bodies are just ruined yeah and none of them are when i lived there not no one did strength and conditioning snc that wasn't even a thing there now, all the gyms, especially the mainstream gyms, are bringing an SNC coach in. A lot of them are doing a lot more stretching and stuff like that. And they're all getting smart about it now. And you'll see, that's why Thai fighters now are getting into the 30s and they're all lasting longer. Look at Sanchai.

Yeah, Sanchai's 40 now, now 39, 40. And he's the best. Yeah. I mean, he's still currently the best. Twice a week. Twice a month, sorry. Twice a month. And he's still destroying everyone. I know. And he's smiling. twice a week twice a month. Sorry. Yeah, I'm still destroying everyone

I know he was like, but he's smiling like puts it on his Instagram page. I fight tonight like And then you know afterwards big smile, you know, I won because you Didn't be Warren did it's a paperor Paper Stone oh my god mate in Italy what's that we got a friend called Warren Brown he's an AXA he was a

two time world Muay Thai champion himself and we played Scissor Paper Stone at the after party at Yoko when Sanchai fought

and Warren beat him he fucking well bestowed the thing is he beat him in rock paper scissors but I don't think we're talking about that Vinny.

That doesn't mean Jack shit. For drinking. Me and Sanjay fought on that show that night so we entered the after party. If you lose,

you've got to take a shot of your beer or whatever. But they didn't have beer, they had fucking wine. So they were drinking pints of wine. Oh boy.

Mate, you should have seen that. I've never seen that. Why didn't they have beer? Where were you? Italy. In Italy, they didn't have beer?

I think we ran out. That's how the fucking after party finished. It got like, all the Thai fighters there, we'd all drank them out, and then all we had left were wine, so they're playing. Kickboxing is big there too, right? Yes.

I mean, you know, obviously, Giorgio Petrosian, who's, I mean, he's probably the most popular guy ever from Italy. Yeah, definitely. He's still doing big. He's fighting for a million dollars next month on one championship. Is he really?

Yeah, we're in the 170-kilo tournament. He's fighting. What do you think about that fight where he lost and they reversed the decision? What do you think about that? We're split with this. Liam thinks Giorgio lost. I think he won. I mean, because of the punching and because of the scoring

where you're not allowed to clinch that long. I think it's very unfair though that if you lose, you lose. I don't think it should have been reversed. I watched the thing where they were saying that he clinched too long. I didn't see it. It seemed like a normal fight to me. I still think he landed more punches but nevertheless

that's open to conjecture but I honestly think they shouldn't have reversed that. It depends how you score it. I felt sorry for the tie. Yeah. And then they fought again. And Giorgio won a pretty clear decision. He won that clear.

What do you think was the adjustment? Leg kicks. Yeah, he did. The first thing he started, the first 10 seconds, he smashed his leg with about three solid kicks straight away. And obviously, when your leg's starting to go a little bit, the rest of your game is going out the window as well

it was interesting with Giorgio though because he was really jumping in with his right hook so he obviously wanted it he's obviously wound up about it

the second fight never seen him aggressive I've never seen him like that before he's normally clinical isn't he I think he probably realised that

there was a lot of stink on the first fight being reversed too he put it to bed with the first fight Being reversed too Yeah I mean he You know He put it to bed With the second fight

But when you're Giorgio Petrosian You know You really kind of have this I mean the one knockout That he lost in glory To Ristie

Ristie just hit So fucking hard man Yeah But that was very shocking Yeah You know It took a while for him To rebound from that

Right He didn't fight For a that right he didn't see he didn't see that even like liam was saying about the long guard if you watch he got caught with an uppercut with his he put his arms out long guard but i know that his arm was fractured in that as well it was chin wasn't but you know his hand was fractured going into that he always fractured he always had operations on his hand oh my god you should see all scars all over it when you see it's so bad god but once they they put the bolts in there and the fucking plates, doesn't it just strengthen up? Still kept going.

I thought that. How's yours? Mine's fine. I've got a plate there. Mine's stronger than this one. When I brought this one before, I brought this probably three or four times. And twice we were in Thailand and I didn't go to a hospital because I just didn't trust what they do with it. I just fucking let it heal like an idiot.

So now I've got this big claw that I can't even... Oh, so it was broken and you never even go to hospital because i just didn't trust what they do with it i just fucking let it heal like an idiot so now i've got this big like claw that i can't oh so it was broken and you never even went to a doctor i iced it and then left it yeah so this one i broke it and i went straight to hospital play it in stronger than ever this one's just all like you can see a big lump on it yeah it's fucked and it still hurts when you punch people all the time yeah i just have to get on with it in training but imagine would imagine it's probably jagged in there, right? It's got a big ganglion on it and stuff like that. I try and take lots of CBD, turmeric, stuff like that, inflammation and stuff like that.

Does it help? A little bit, but it's just one of them things. You don't tap anything, do you? You know, if you hold pads for him, he doesn't tap anything. Everything's like, bang, bang, bang. Everything's screaming.

It's very exciting. It's very exciting to watch. But I always wonder about your joints like jesus christ his shoulders like everything's like it's like so much torque you know you that's but that's the thing about strength and conditioning that i wonder like how many guys are overusing their body by just continuing to throw you know like full power kicks full power punches at the pads at the bag you know and sparring whereas like maybe you could extend your career and extend and maybe your body would work more efficiently if you had like a a really good strength and conditioning coach who actually understands combat sports and the rigors well the one i use in lead steve campbell now he recently well because he's training a lot of

fighters he took himself off on a strength and conditioning fight seminar so like he's learned a lot more about that now i've got another one as well dan mitten who vinnie uses who i try to be more of a movement and agility coach doing stuff with him has been fucking amazing for like shoulders hips everything like that it's a real art to it yeah yeah dan's a i train with dan uh twice a week sometimes for two hours in the session and do a lot of gymnastic rings now because of my hip i can't really i can't run or do much like that but can't they fix your hip isn't there's something it's a very very slow process so it's gonna take a while but i don't think i'll ever be

it's weird because i can't seem to get it into my head how to run because i've i've learned to walk in such a different way because you're one leg is shorter yeah maybe probably better off doing something that's like low impact yeah have you seen that zero runner thing that i have out there no it's very interesting it's weird like you got to learn the gait of it but once you learn the gait of it it's like it mimics running but there's no impact at all right it's it's because it's real weird because most people when they get on it their legs just start swinging and you're like this is stupid then i'm like like i had to show my wife i was like no no don't swing like lift your legs up like bounce like you're running

and then once you do that you you go, oh, okay. And then you get a swing of this. You're like gliding. Yeah, and you could run, but it's actually harder than just running. So it's like... Have you got one here? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's interesting. I've used it a few times and I'm, you know, it's

kind of a torturous device. You don't look convinced. I do, but I use everything you know like i have a big gang of out there right i have a rower i have that echo bike from rogue i have the versaclimber yeah that bike and then the uh the self-powering trail trail um uh the treadmill thing from um air runner it's the air runner that one made you sprint on it that one yeah you're but you're powering it and it's like that's the best for Is that one where you sprint on it? Yeah But you're powering it And that's the best

For running For real running Because it's actually 13% Something like that Harder than actual running Because you're propelling the treadmill As you're running So when you do that

And then you go to regular run Like you have more pep in your step Because you're used to Like running at a Mechanical disadvantage Because of that thing but it's actually therapeutic it actually and it's also got a bounce to it so it's not a lot of pounding you know it gives and you're running on this thing and you're actually pushing it with your feet as you're you almost like pulling it as you're running you try it

that's another thing I've stopped doing as well I don't run outside anymore no really yeah just for just save me knees and. I do all my running on the treadmill and like 15 minute high intensity sprint work. Obviously when you fight, you're not like running at a slow pace like when you go for a long jog, which is what they've always said to do in Thailand. Get up, go run 10K slow,

route park on the concrete. You're fighting in bursts, so it's more sport specific really to be working like that. Like high interval stuff. There's a lot of fighters that they ruin their knees and they can't run anymore and they have to figure out what to do like kamaro usman the ufc welterweight champion he's got some of the most incredible cardio of anybody and he can't run his knees are destroyed really oh my god he said his knees were so fucked up that he has to walk on grass like when he's really he

walks on grass rather than concrete because his knees are hurting my cousin andy house and he was like one of the most insane fighters like to ever come from england he's got a massive rep for like being a warmonger fighting his lord of war he didn't run because he couldn't he just refused to run he went i'm running i don't like it i'm not doing it and some of the fights he had were absolutely insane and he he never blew i've never seen him blow did you know never never never never gassed never it's totally possible to get in amazing shape without running but running helps a lot yeah i believe so i believe you know i'd love to i used to like it to be honest i used to love it it was uh it was fun well perfect example is colby covington colby covington is he's got insane cardio i mean he's got that rob. I mean, that Robbie Lawler fight,

his fucking cardio is insane. And he trains with my friend Cam Haynes who's an ultra marathon runner and they run Mount Pigsa in Oregon.

That, like, when you, if you run with a person who's like a real runner, like someone who does, like Cam does 240 mile races.

They last three days. Yeah. Yeah, and you sleep for like 14 minutes in three days i'm not joking yeah the woman who run who won it uh courtney dowalter she slept one time she slept for a minute yeah one minute they woke her up she said she felt amazing after that one minute sleep really yeah i watched that it was good she's a savage that lady that lady is the mental strength of someone like that like because she can't she's not a tough she's not like a tough girl like she's i'll kick your ass like she's all smiley and happy but the real strength like when when the fucking rubber hits the road like

are you gonna quit yeah that lady ain't quitting for shit you ain't getting her to quit she won a race when she was blind she was was having some sort of bleeding in her retinas and she couldn't fucking see. I feel fucking pussy all of a sudden. So do I. I went to the hospital. Yeah. 205 miles in one run. Courtney DeWalter is an ultra addict. That's her.

Just won like a new race I think. Of course she did. She's a savage man. This lady's a savage. She beat she won that 240 mile race, and she beat the second place person by 10 hours. What? 10 hours. Do you know that?

10 hours. That's quality. I never knew that. Fucking animal, dude. She just doesn't, she just, she can push through things that other people can't push through. That's a special kind of fucking human being, that to be able to, even when you're that far up front,

to still push and push and push. Yeah, she could have taken an eight hour sleep and still won by two hours yeah exactly which is madness yeah he's there mad that's a special person that's it yeah and again like she eats fucking candy and drinks beer and nachos and shit like her diet is not like it's not like she's drago from rocky you You've got her strapped up with machines. Nope, just tough. Going back to the cardio and stuff, though, like the MMA guys, I think a lot of theirs from like wrestling and grappling and stuff, like their cardio is like really fucking something else.

I did a bit of work with Brian Ortega the other day. He was just hitting pads for an hour, nonstop. Nonstop, not getting tired. Crazy. Yeah, and we did like nearly two hours amount of work, and he still one tired by the end of it they are they're fit fit guys well i also think he's really ramped it up since the max holloway fight because he faded in that fight yeah max started battling he was saying he said like he's not fighting for another couple of months but he's still doing all the work now and yeah yeah well you know that's what happens with you know Brian is a

championship caliber fighter he never won a title but he was beating world champions like Frankie Edgar like really elite guys and you know

he just ran into the best guy in the fucking business at 145 and the thing as well they were telling us what he did to his body in that fight

I think he fractured both his hands he dislocated his foot or something ligaments went in his knee and it was a crazy fight though wasn't it so I'm not fucking surprised

it was one of the best fights I've seen that well to me Brian Ortega's got great stand up for sure but his best skill

for sure is his ground game yeah and for him to not emphasize that as his strategy in the fight to me just seems

I feel like it's short-sighted because I think he could tap anybody in the world at 145 pounds. I really do. He's fucking massive. I couldn't believe it. He's a big fella. Big for that weight. He's huge compared to you, isn't he?

Compared to me, we fight similar weights. I couldn't believe it. He's coming down on Monday. He's going to do some hypnosis, and Liam's going to work with him as well. Oh, yeah? Nice. Well, his fucking triangles,

I mean, that's his nickname, T-City. Yeah, T-City. He throws triangles up like a fucking world beater. It's crazy when you watch. Real nice guy, man. Sharp, sharp technique, man. But, you know, again, guys fall in love with their hands. Yeah.

You know, they fall in love with the ability to punch people. I just think that jiu-jitsu and MMA, I mean, one of the things about MMA in general is that there's so many different ways to win. And when you do win by knockout a few times, you kind of get into that and you kind of look to do that all the time. The crowd sort of expect that from you. That's the scary thing about MMA is, like you said, there's so many ways to win, but there's so many ways to fucking lose too. You see these guys stand up lighting someone up and all of a sudden they just go, and that's it, you're fucked. So, so so dangerous man it happened to gaston bolanos you know he got caught with a guillotine in his last fight yeah we're doing a seminar at csa on the coach's clinic on saturday this saturday yeah i love gas yeah he's spinning elbows yeah oh my god yeah it's crazy kieran's a

good coach man yeah he's excellent very good coach every time you see anyone one of his gym from his gym yeah the quality yeah he's got some really good fighters yeah really good girl fighters as well yeah yeah yeah zoiler and uh stephanie frost and that's another gym that really emphasizes strength and conditioning when they have a whole crossfit gym yeah they're attached to it yeah they do yeah it has to be done like like i said earlier that even the ties are doing it now because they don't want to start getting left behind anymore it has to be done like what kind of shit do you do?

when I was a bit younger I used to like absolutely smash it I do a lot more like flexibility and mobility stuff now like the exercise bands and stuff like that

instead of just smashing my body with heavy weights and stuff I still do like the odd set of like high intensity explosive lifts and all that

high pulls and a bit deadlift and stuff like that but i do a lot more on the bands you know like activating my glutes and workouts like that really how many times do you do strength conditioning a week twice twice and is that when you're in camp for a fight as well or just normally no i'll when i'm in fight for in fight camp i'll do it twice when i I'm not, I'll probably do it once. Once, yeah. Just to conserve your body. Yeah, just to keep... I lose my mind if I don't train. Right.

I'll teach, but I can't sit around doing it. Even when I'm fucking injured, it's my own... That's one of my worst traits. I cannot do nothing. Yeah, but that's also one of your best traits. Yeah, true. That's why you're so exciting. It's because you have this drive to succeed.

The interesting thing about strength and conditioning to me is that there's no clear blueprint. you're so exciting it's because you have this drive yeah to succeed it is uh the interesting thing about strength and conditioning to me is that there's no clear blueprint it's no there's no like it's what works for you yeah it's no there's no established protocol like you have to do this and then you do this and do that and then two days a week you do this it's not everybody does it differently yep and then you've got like the nick curson school of thought like the marv marinovich school of thought which was those guys just concentrated almost entirely on strength and conditioning. And their thought was that strength and conditioning is everything. You already know how to fight.

So when you're in camp, you should just be doing box jumps and rope skips and all these fucking explosive things with balls and medicine balls and shit. And their idea is like get your engine so you have the most incredible gas tank the most powerful engine you already know how to fight and then skill work is secondary while you're in camp and then when you're at a camp then you work on all your skills then you hit the pads you do all these different things you do less of the strength and conditioning but you maintain a base but then when you go into camp The camp, like when BJ Penn was at his best He was training with Marv Marinovich Like when he fought Diego Sanchez

When he fought Sean Shirk That was the best BJ Penn we ever saw And he was in insane shape Insane shape It's because they brutalized him I mean, they just made him go through these absolutely insane Strength and conditioning workouts So they gave him this

This cardio base and this conditioning base That was just through the roof him go through these absolutely insane strength and conditioning workouts so they gave him this this cardio base and this conditioning base that was just through the roof yeah my thing with that would be i'd be a bit the closer the fight gets i'm one of my main weapons i want to know is working in my eyes so if i've not sparred enough close to the fights and i can tell that as well if i'm get the fight the closer the fights get when i'm sparring if i'm getting caught with stuff that I shouldn't be seeing I can tell so I'll spar a bit more

so that's my only worry a bit well there was a thing with Anthony Yard when he fought

Kovalev he didn't spar at all so they say I mean that's what they say I don't know

because I heard he was sparring but that's so they say I don't know I couldn't

do a fight can we not spar him no I think when he fought Kovalev But that's so they say. So they say. I don't know. I couldn't do a fight. I'm not a sparring. No? No. I couldn't do it. I think when he fought Kovalev, he was that concerned here. He didn't move his feet.

And Kovalev was just a couple of inches out. But Kovalev's smart with his jab. Well, clearly Kovalev was the best fighter he's ever fought. It just takes a while to understand as a fighter. You know there's levels to the game but when you used to just put knuckles to face and putting people to sleep you just think i'm gonna put this guy to sleep too and when it doesn't work out you're like okay i did that i had my first 28 pro fights unbeaten and my fight 29 i fought a thai champion um called dwell and i dropped him in round two and thought fucking easy this and he got up

and fucked me up like worse and I have I was pissing blood and all sorts he absolutely battered me for three rounds and I was like

wow what was the difference what did he adjust he took me into clinch and I was only 18 and he was like mid 20s and it was the first time

I'd ever fought a Thai champion he took me into clinch he cut me with an elbow he kept throwing me on the floor he fucking knee me around back knowing my kidneys i was pissing blood and stuff after and that's when i fought after that now i'm right i need to go to thailand and and fight all day fight train all day train do what they do if i'm gonna ever be able because i can punch i can kick a knee i need to be able to do what they're good at to get on their level what was it like going to thailand um i loved it like just two years i was there for what i used to do is i go for

six months come on for a month go back for six months come on for a month so stay in thailand for six months yeah yeah that's what i used to do and uh it were amazing i've got some fucking ridiculous stories like crazy crazy shit used to just happen all the time there i remember one time i went back i've been this is a bit long-winded this one but it's a funny one i've been there about three days and some promoter came in, Jim, and my coach, he went,

oh, he wants you to go fight pro boxing in Cambodia. I said, I've never fought pro boxing, so I'm not doing that. Pro boxing in Cambodia? I said, I've never gone there.

I said, I don't want to go to Cambodia. He went, no, no, it's good money. I went, no,

I'm not doing it. Came back the next day with his camera. I said, what are you doing? I said, I'm not fighting. He said, oh,

you need your pitch tuck, you've got to go fight. And JT knew that I wasn't going to say no. He said, listen, it's double the money you're going to get for Thai boxing, do you want to go do it? I camera, I said, what are you doing? I said, I'm not fighting. He said, no, you need your pitch tuck, you've got to go fight. And JT knew that I wasn't going to say no. He said, listen, it's double the money you're going to get for Thai boxing, do you want to go do it? I went, fuck it, all right then. So the fight ran about 10 days. I'd never fought anything other than Muay Thai. The fight ran 10 days. I started doing a bit of work with the boxing coach in the gym. But this is like Thai sphere. JT said, you're not fit, train Thai boxing Thai boxing it's harder you'll be fitter when you fight

so he made me kick the pads knee the pads do all my clinching everything like that that's what he made me do after that done all my Thai boxing then I got to work with a boxing coach

he said you need to be fit so that's what they made me do but just before the fight I went right when we're flying to Cambodia JT he went I can't come I said what do you mean he went they want it to make it look like

they're flowing you in from England for their news and stuff. So you're going to have to go with other Westerners. I said, yeah, but none of these like elite level like cornermen

and all that, what am I going to do? So I took my friend with me and we got there. We got off this little propeller plane from Bangkok to Phnom Penh. And the first thing that went in my head,

I thought, they think I've flown from fucking England on a propeller plane to know who's going to buy this. I said buy this i said i said who am i fighting as well he said oh you don't have to lose weight you can fight at 67 kilos so at the time i was fighting at 135 so you can fight 147 you don't have to lose weight to the guy's rubbish don't worry got off the plane and all the news people were there with the news cameras and all sorts of

can't be this fucking rubbish I thought news people were there looking looking pictures and everything got in the back of this pickup thing opened the paper big spread of him on the paper

got to the weigh in they went you're too light what are you doing I went I'm 67 they went it's the fight's at 69

so we're at 154 not 147 I said this is fucking bullshit this whole thing is absolutely ridiculous. First round, I got absolutely battered. He was fucking massive.

He was well bigger than me. Round two, he pinned me on ropes, and I just put my head down, and I threw a fucking left hook. It hit him straight on chin. He went down, starfished. I'm running around the ring, jumping on the rope, celebrating.

I must have been jumping around for about 20, 25 seconds. I got off the rope, and the count were only on three. So the refs going, three, four, waiting for him to get up. He picked him off the floor. What? They're serious. I've got it all on video as well.

I'll put it on there. Is it online? No, I'll put it online and I'll send you it. It's serious. I ran back out with him. I pinned him on ropes. I dropped him again. The ref picked him up because his

nose started bleeding took him to his corner wiped his nose give him

a drink restarted the round and the bell the bell rung but luckily

it's only a six round fight I dropped him again in round four and again

in round six so there was no way they could rub me at all I dropped

him four times in six rounds but still did they still make it close probably

I just wanted to get out of there if I wanted to get lynched here but yeah it's like crazy shit like that happened all the time and all living in thailand just like mad stories like promoter coming jim do you want to fight tomorrow

no next thing i'm fighting my hands wrapped going what the fuck's going on here but like wayne power's got loads of crazy stories and like as well like and i wouldn't change any of it it's got me to where where i am today the whole culture of fighting over there the fact that they get those kids to fight at you know they take them from their parents essentially when they're like five six years old and they spend most of their time in the gym and then they have their first fights when they're little tiny kids and then by the time they're 15 16 years old they might have 100 fights well i i remember i fought a fight called singdom and um it was my 100th fight which is a big thing for a westerner

and i said to him before the fight well it's just 100 fight it's a lot for a western what do you think of that he went oh that one or 15 he didn't give a shit i don't care yeah that is singdom's a legend just stop and think about how crazy that is like how many what what are you doing do you fight 25 times a year every week

yeah you think tile kills everything don't they oh no problem okay what is that Tiger Balm and liniment

but what is that liniment does it do anything someone actually told me over there like one of the main ingredients is aspirin or something like that

aspirin someone told me over there I never knew that I don't know if it's true or not that's someone actually told me over there one of the main ingredients is aspirin or something like that aspirin is it someone told me that over there I never knew that either I don't know if it's true that's what someone told me I think there's an issue with people using that shit

though in the clinch because they use it on their body and then they clinch with you and they get it on your face I've had fights before where people have put it on their gloves and stuff

rubbed it on their gloves with Vaseline so they pour it in a tub of Vaseline scoop it and they rub it on their gloves and I've had that before it's awful that's so fucked up that in a tub of Vaseline, scoop it, and they rub it on the gloves. And I've had that before. It's awful.

That's so fucked up that someone would do that. Did you complain about it? Yeah, I was sat in a corner going, I can't fucking see. And Richard, my coach, he had to tell them to go over the corner and wipe his gloves down. And then they did it at the end of every round and start of every round and wiped his gloves just to make sure. But he 100% put something on his gloves, 100%. I'd had about 50 fights by that time

and I'd never ever had it before dirty people that's so dirty that people cheat like that that makes me so sick that goes against everything that

fighting is supposed to be about it's supposed to be about you're at your best they're at your best you touch gloves I was told when Giorgio Petrosian fought nonathan paul

pramukh he's only that's it only lost his wrist and put a nonathan and um i heard that georgio told me that he was poisoned yeah he gave him a drink because there were a big side bet on the on the fight he gave him a drink and then he said he felt all dizzy and and stuff like that happens a lot in thailand whenever there's a fight with a side bet so like the gyms so the gym I think Petrosian's camp and Bukow's camp they had like a 20 grand side bet

or something like that right so whenever there's big big bets like that it happens regular now with the poison and stuff like that

what kind of poison do you use? I don't know it's stuff that makes you feel really poorly but sometimes it's like your stomach and you want to spew

and you're fucking shitting everywhere and stuff like that but I've seen sometimes where they must have you want to spew and fucking everywhere and stuff like that but i've seen sometimes where they must have like overdosed and the fighters ended up getting taken to hospital and been in a really bad way and stuff so the fight just they're just trying to get an advantage to win the bet but the fight hadn't even ended up happening because they fucked them up so bad it's like fighting in thailand's like a john claude van damme movie it's like there's also a fuckery of foot yeah that's it depends on looking after you because

on the island i only go to kosomo only i go to super pro when i go over there and it's not really like that over there it's not as not as rough i love the gambling culture though i love the fact that they're like you see all the guys in the background like passing money around and just like waving their hands and yeah but when i used to live there because i was fighting for money if i what i used to do if i got short money i'd bet on myself to live there because I was fighting for money what I used to do if I ever got short money I'd bet on myself and I got told

I was fighting this guy who I'd lost to previously before but I was so close to knocking him out I was 100% certain I was going to beat him and I was going to knock him out

so I bet my entire wage I bet all the money I had everyone in the gym put loads of money on me to win as well and I hit him with a left hook in round three

his legs went I ran in to finish him he bounced off the rope and need me and he didn't drop me a rope but he just all my power just went and i'll try to finish him i went sat down and around three in my corner when you fucking do him how you finish him i went i can't breathe i went out round four all my power had gone i lost round four which is the money round then i was chasing the fight in round five no money why is round four the money round in muay thai in thailand like round three and four are the big rounds round one and two they're just easing in and it's like basically scored as if it's a marathon not a sprint so even if you win round one and two if you lose round

three and four you've lost the fight really yeah interesting yeah i like that i lost all my money everything that i didn't get a purse i'll mail me other money i had to fight again three days later because i was fighting for money three days later JT put me on a plane and went down to Phuket and it was an easier fight but I was still really banged up

because it was a tough fight I just had and I had to fight three days later just to get some money now when you have to fight three days after you fought do you train at all

in between those fights I couldn't I was injured I was fucking but I had to go do it do you know what I mean because you needed money either that

I'll go home I'll ring my mum and go mum give me some money. Oh, God, damn. And I'd already tapped her up a few times, I think. So that's what I had to do.

Luckily, down on the islands in Phuket, where I went to fight, the fighter's heart is strong as in Bangkok. So I won that fight. I knocked him out, but still. What is the difference

between fighters that train in Phuket and fighters at the time? In Bangkok, they're all there to make a name for themselves on the elite level stadiums Rajadamnern

Lumpini Channel 7 Omnoid these are the elite of the elite these are the guys who are going to get scouted and go on

to stuff like one championship who are going to win titles and get money and become massive names in Phuket

it's just like they're probably just fighting for a bit of extra money just to cap off the wage at the end of the week you get a lot of them who's got another just to cap off the wages on the end of the week

you get a lot of them who's got another job and they just might fight at the end of the week or they're a pad man be a trainer in a gym, they won't train they won't bother doing anything other than just holding pads all day and they think oh you know what I can get an extra 10,000 baht which is probably about what 200 dollars at the end of tonight and I'll just go have a fight for 200 bucks

something like that yeah so they'll just go do that they'll take a few shots and they'll probably fall down but in bangkok where the elite fighting the elite that you know you're not going to get any of that you know people are there just to like make a name for especially in those stadiums that's a crazy place in the world bangkok like you have to think with this one place with this one style of fighting became the most popular and it's used as gambling. If you think of the rest of the world, there's no place where you go

where people wrestle for money, where everybody's gambling on wrestling. There's no place you know where people throw money in the air for Western boxing. Gambling's illegal in Thailand. The only thing you can bet on is fighting. Really?

Yeah, it's illegal. You can only bet on fighting? You can only bet on fighting in the stadiums. Wow, I didn't know that. The closest casino is on the border in cambodia so if anyone wants to gamble in casino they go to the border up there oh that makes more sense crazy that's why everyone but it's just they fucking figured something out that other people didn't figure out i mean what you think about the one part of the world it's an island they figured out about how to kick the legs better than anybody it's really crazy they figured out how to work the

clench and knee to the body better than anybody to dump people and trip them yeah drop them and sweep them more better than anybody that's the thing when you're fighting the ties when you you clinch your middle and that's why i had to go live where because you can't you cannot clinch with one of them who's been doing this into we're five six years old even like the tall thin lean types who've got that like wiry strength are still like some of

the strongest people we'd look at him in the middle of the street and think I'll fuck him up no you won't the nicest people are there as well they're really nice

natured people they seem so but you get him in that ring and you're fucked how is San Chai able to keep up this high level of skill and performance at 40 years old?

I think his awareness is better than everybody else's I think he's got a sense of awareness that I think special elite people have he's distancing Giorgio Petrosian or Floyd, they just seem to have this ingrained sort of

congruence with the self you know he also is very agile in terms of his footwork yeah he doesn't take no damage like so now

that's why he's fighting twice a month still he's not getting hurt he doesn't really train much either he'll come into gym do a couple of rounds on pads

just to make sure he's sharp that's what he's done or a few rounds play spa or a few rounds play spa with no shin pads on right that'll do do you know what I mean just to make sure he doesn't that's me done or a few rounds play spa we know shin pads on that'll do

just to make sure he doesn't train out no not anymore he doesn't train out no not anymore really

not anymore when he was in stadiums as a champion he would train like no one had ever seen do you know what I mean

but like now no obviously the gym where we train is where he is so when I'm in Thailand still I'm training

alongside him so I see what he does and that's what's even more impressive about it he'll come in two three rounds on pads or two three rounds we train where he is so when I'm in Thailand still I'm training alongside him so I see what he does and that's what's even more impressive about it he'll come in two three rounds

on pads or two three rounds play spa no shin pads nothing strenuous no S&C he'll only run a little bit before the fight

just to lose weight as well he's got a great sense of humour as well he's quite humorous and quite playful how is he able to get away with such little work

because I think a lot of time when he's fighting now he's not fighting Thais he's fighting Western? Because I think a lot of time, when he's fighting now, he's not fighting Thais anymore, he's fighting Westerners. And I think a lot of time, these guys are fucking anti-Sanchai. Right.

So they're a bit starstruck before they even get in there, I think, a lot of time. Right, that makes sense. Even when they try and put it on him, he's so smart, and like Giovanni was saying, his awareness and his footwork and stuff are so good,

he can move off, kick his skull. He lost to clinchers, didn't he? Yeah. I mean, mainly to clinchers who people can grab and knee him and that was only because what they used

to do is make Sanchez weigh in at 5 pounds lighter than them just so it would be even for the betting so they'd make him drop down to 130

and then his opponent would be 135 just so it would be even on the betting because if you put them both at the same weight and Sanchez is fresh no one's going to bet

because you know Sanchez is going to win so they dehydrated him to bring him down just so the gamblers would be like he might be done by round four

interesting about Sanchez as well is that his style is so light on his feet and he doesn't kick full blast even when he's hitting the pads

like hey hey it's like he's slapping the pads he's not fucking digging in some guys dig in and he's got that internal rotation as well you know he's just he can just whip his leg over like he's so good

and he can he can fake your leg kick and then whack you around the neck he's a special guy question mark kicks off the charts yeah and he also he does stuff like he'll he'll land head kicks at a really close distance by stepping off to the side. Remember that one time? It was like a crazy head kick. Against the ropes, yeah. Yeah, against the ropes. And he steps off to the side and lands almost a straight up and down

left high kick. Yeah, I remember that one. But just the ability to land a high kick in that tight, it's crazy. It's his southpaw footwork as well. One minute he's stood in front of you, and the next he's done something, he's shifted off, and then he's there. Yes the next he's done something he's shifted off and then he's there yes and that's when that kick's gonna come up does he is he influencing younger thai fighters to fight more light on their feet and to to have more movement because you know the thai fighters it's so common to see

guys like standing right in front of each other and exchanging techniques he's not doing any of that there's not many who can do it like him to be honest he was a special kind of fighter um i've never seen anyone who's got the same style as him in thailand a lot of the gyms in thailand are clinch gyms so they'll be doing more clinching than anything else and even for the ones who are similar to his style they're still nowhere near him to be honest i think it's one of those things though as well where you if if you see someone like sancho and you try and mimic it a lot of coaches put you off it. You know, like the stuff that Lomachenko does. If you say to a coach, an old school boxing coach,

oh, I want to start juggling, I want to start standing on one leg, I want to start doing the short test, all the numbers, and they seem to go, that's shit, you're doing that. Do you know what I mean? I think it's sometimes people are stifled from learning because of the way that their mindset is, you know? Yeah, I think that coaches always want you to fight the way that their mindset is you know yeah i think that coaches always want you to fight the way they know how to teach you how to fight it's a rare talented coach that can see what you can do and move around it yeah you know it's one of the interesting things

to me in coaches is duane ludwig because duane ludwig teaches so different than he ever fought like he realized like at the end of his career, you know what the best way to fight is? The best way to fight is to give your opponent so many different looks and overload their brain with possibilities, switching stances to all these different, and then he put it all down into a system. But if you go back to watch the way dwayne fought dwayne fought like real standard dutch kickboxing style yeah like that was his style he thought decade and he thought ramon decker yeah he did well decker late in his career when decker's ankles were completely shot and you know he still still looked awesome well i wouldn't want to teach

anyone to fight like how i fight really you've You've got to work to what their advantage is and see what's going to work best for their style because everyone's got a different style. I can implement parts of my style onto theirs, but I wouldn't want to try and change it. There are some gyms in England that have all got one generic style. If you see a fighter, you know they're from that gym. At a bad company where we train,

all our top-level fighters are all different. We've got someone who's a boxer, someone who's a clincher, someone who's a kicker, someone who's an idiot. Do you know what I mean? It's like, all the styles are just totally different. Right, yeah. That's what makes a good coach as well, being able to bring that out of a fighter and add bits of your style to theirs, but mainly, like, let them flourish with their own style. But you would also think that, like, how many people can teach you how to fight like sunshine yeah i mean how many people even can move like that not many

he does weird you know like he's got that sliding push kick that's like a side kick yeah that he does a lot too he's like he like throws it off his front legs yeah yeah he trained a lot with thingy though didn't he what's his name somrat kamsing and somrat kamsing got an elusive sort of loose style. Yes. And he moved his head and he was an Olympic gold medalist when I think it was 1996, I think. But he had that elusive style, the head movement and stuff like that. And then Samart Payakarun, who's known as the best Thai ever, Thai fighter ever, I think. Super elusive, right?

Yeah, super elusive, moved the head and stuff like that. So, yeah, I just think it's like you say, though. I think it's the generic Kamsa. You know how they strictly are in Thailand, fucking fight like that so yeah i think i just think it's like you say though i think it's the generic camps that you know how they strictly are in thailand fight like that i don't fight do you think that the guys send the guys franchise fighting now are just like a little lower level yes yeah so the idea is like everybody knows he's a legend so you could pay him to fight someone pretty much they're they're paying for sunshine name do you know what I mean so not like paying to see a fight where it's going to be

oh who's going to win this who's going to bet on this no one's betting everyone knows what's going to happen he's earned his stripes he's done everything that not many people

will ever do and that's where it is now it's just like other westerners and stuff trying to make a name for their self now yes they know

I might be the one who beat Sanchai but unless someone I mean most of them just try and do a cartwheel kick don't they and if they get a cartwheel kick off it's hooray I'veai, but unless something ridiculous happens. I mean, most of them just try and do a cartwheel kick, don't they? And if they get a cartwheel kick off, they say, hey, I've won.

Then they get fired. You know what I mean? Now, do you think that, like, has he gotten an offer to fight in something like one? Because one is not going to let him fight. It might have done. Guys at the level that he's competing at, right? They would want him to fight.

Yeah. The only people one have got signed are elite level there's no there's no easy ways or anything on there all the ties that were signed

to him are all elite all the westerners are the best best westerners he might have got an offer but to be fair he can fight twice a month and he can fight

all over the world and he's still getting paid good money every time he fights so I don't think it really matters to him to be honest he's done all that already

and fought all them best guys and beat them all even with a weight disadvantage and being pulled by down so I don't think it really matters to him to be honest he's done all that already and fought all them best guys and beat them all even with the weight disadvantage of being pulled by down so I don't think

he's really has to worry about so he's just right now just sort of getting paid and having fun yeah

I wonder how much longer he could do it the level he's fighting at and if he keeps himself in shape then is that people lose when they get in

with him don't they you know what I mean he's no one they pick it right yeah is he yeah doing seminars You know what I mean? Yeah. There's no one. Is he in LA? They pick it, right? Is he? Yeah, doing seminars. For how long? I think he's just gone off to,

I can't remember where he's gone today. I was looking on his Instagram earlier. He's been taken off somewhere else today, though. So they've drove in a bus from the East Coast to the West. Holy shit. I think he's done about 20, 25 seminars so far, all over the place. Oh, my God.

So he's obviously earning ridiculous money. One of them had 100 people in and stuff, do you know what I mean? oh wow he's earning like money like from other stuff so he don't need to be putting himself in an elite level against young hungry right killer ties who're gonna want oh i'm gonna be pizza and jade so he's he's earned his stripes on this yeah and he's earned it the hard way aren't you let's be honest yeah no he certainly has how good is his english it when i first the first time i fought him 10 years ago he couldn't speak a word but obviously like in the jimmy's that now in thailand he can there's lots of

westerners coming there just because they know he's here so and he's doing more seminars so he's learned a lot more now you can have a you can have a good crack with him now you can have a laugh with him oh that's cool yeah yeah that is cool he's a proper cool guy and he spends a lot of time with spencer as well spencer's our friend from scotland he lives at the york al camp and he's a nice kid and they converse a lot I follow him on Instagram yeah do you think that like with what one is doing is kind of like the future of the sport because they're introducing elite level Muay Thai fighters to the gigantic Asian audience 100% especially the way they've got the show set out as well where you've got top level MMAma top level kickbox in top level tie the summit for everyone and it's still going out to these massive numbers so

yeah i don't i do i believe so grappling competitions yeah yeah yeah they've got everything i love that they do they just do whatever the fuck they want you know they i mean they've got you know really interesting talent yeah he's been saying as well your chat tree that they are they've got some some TV deals in America and stuff coming up, and then, so they're going to try and bring it over this side as well, and there could be like some rival to UFC in future, hopefully.

Well, I certainly saw, it was, I don't remember what network it was, but one of the more recent events was on television. Like, I was flipping through the cable channels, it said 1FC.

I was like, what? And it was a recent event. It was like right after the event had happened and then they were airing it. Well, there you go. Then so he's getting out there now because they've already got Asia locked down.

So if they can get into America and in Europe, he's going to be big. And they're giving chances to other people like from the Philippines and that. There's a lot of MMA fighters from the Philippines coming through and stuff like that. No, no, them guys are good as well. They are.

You'd never see it other than if we've wanted to give them a platform. That's it yeah it's it's cool I mean they're they're taking some of the top talent

from Glory as well a lot of those guys are going over there and some from Ilyas Anashi who was with Infusion who I work for he's just gone on to one

and then one knocked out the tie who did he knock out Pech Dam I said he'd do that didn't I yeah yeah one of these

he's a Dutch Moroccan. Yeah, and he trains with Saeed El Badoui, the same coach as Badr's training with as well. How do you get kickboxing to be big in America? Why can't they figure that out?

It doesn't make any goddamn sense to me. I think, in my opinion, I think because MMA, I think it's because it's, I think because there's college wrestling, I think it my opinion I think because MMA I think it's because it's I think because

there's college wrestling I think it's stuck as well you know the boxing America's always had great boxers and always had boxing fights but I think it may be

because of the college wrestling and because it's more of what you're used to college wrestling what do you mean well they wrestle don't they wrestling's popular you know what I mean

in colleges and stuff like that so I think they've kind of took to that. Or maybe it's a new sport and they've grabbed onto it and they've kind of got it as theirs because MMA is really, UFC's like... If one got over here, though, with their MMA and mixed show, and then if you're sat there waiting for MMA to come on,

but in between that you see some fucking crazy tie fight with two people going at it in four-ounce gloves, having a proper war, that might help if they did something like that do you know what I mean then you've got like

the average Joe who's never seen it before thinking whoa what was that and I've never seen that before I liked that

so maybe something like that like some mixed shows with like what one do that's why there's something for everyone

on them shows well Muay Thai and kickboxing hasn't took off in England either so it hasn't it's got a lot

better over the years but it's still not as mainstream as it should be it's not over the years but it's still not as mainstream as it should be it's not the platform that it should be

I mean Yoko your fight with Haseem Banu is just crazy you know what I mean or one FC

one championship fights we're always glued to as soon as it's on we're strapped with our phones

and watching it it's a shame really it's a bummer in America Dana White had a really interesting point he said we got ruined in the 1980s with uh pka karate yeah like these that pka karate and

you know there was some guys are really exciting like rick rufus yeah but a lot of it was bullshit it was like boring kicks above the waist yeah and they weren't that good. They would just throw a couple kicks and then shitty boxing. Wasn't there a guy called Steve Superkick Wick? He was good. I don't know who that was. Bill Superfoot Wallace. Yeah, Superfoot Wallace, but there was some called Superkick Wick. I don't know if he was good.

What happened in England, though, we got some airtime on TV, and I don't know who chose the fights. They chose shit fights to put on. Oh, really? So obviously no one's going to be interested in watching them if you're going to like get a spot you need to put out

there like pre-recorded shows of the best fights and put them on just to get some interest and then maybe people will just start taking a bit more notice

but we had a few like spots on Sky Sports and they put shit fights on that's a bummer yeah because there's so much great talent

exactly like whenever i watch glory i mean i stop and think i'm like how is this not enormous like there's so many boxing fights that are kind of boring yeah true and then you watch this and like jesus christ it's so much more exciting exactly and i can't get my head around it and even after that fight in cambodia what Cambodia, I had a headache for six days or something after that. That was only a six-round fight. That's why I thought, one, that was boring. I didn't like it. I hated it.

And two, I got a headache for six days. I'm never doing this again. Because you're taking more shots to the head? Yeah. Even when he's hitting your gloves and stuff, it's all like, he just didn't do it for me at all. I appreciate boxing. I do love watching it and stuff.

But Muay Thai and kickboxing is way better. It's also the reality is if any elite boxer decided to fight an elite Muay Thai fighter with Muay Thai rules, they're getting fucked up. You have a couple seconds to close the distance, Mike Tyson style, and put that dude away.

Otherwise, you're getting your leg blasted off. You're getting your leg blasted. I mean, I would like to see, I would have loved to see a guy like Mike Tyson in and put that dude away. Otherwise you're getting your leg blasted off. You're getting your leg blasted. I mean, I would like to see, I would have loved to see a guy like Mike Tyson in his prime if there was

a guy like Rico or some elite level kickboxer who could potentially fuck him up on the way in. You know? Because someone like Rico

has got good kicks and good knees for such a big guy as well. It'd be fucking no chance I don't think. Mike Tyson can always close that distance though you never know well did you see where the mike tyson and john jones was messing

about like play sort of sparring and you could see the right hands going boom and he could see what he was doing john jones like you know yeah yeah and also that's a 50 year old mike tyson yeah true yeah yeah it's just when he was young like when you remember the Marvis Frazier fight yeah that was like he ruined him and then he was flopped execution

yeah just stepped in and just I was thinking like what if someone was like an elite kickboxer would you be able to hold that guy off

like that one like that the Mike Tyson in his prime when he was storming his way towards the title yeah true he'd have to clinch

yeah he'd have to clinch. Yeah. He'd have to clinch and tie him up on elbow and knee and not let go. It was that quick. Yeah. It was that short and fast. You try and grab him, that's coming over top. But some guys did manage to make it to the final bell with him.

There were some guys that managed to survive. Yeah, Tony Tucker. Yeah. Bone Crusher Smith. Yeah, there was a few guys. There was a few guys. Bone Crusher Smith wobbled him as well. Towards the a few guys Bone Crusher Smith Wobbled him as well Towards the end

That was a right hand And then he just wobbled Dipped his legs a little bit Bone Crusher Smith Was a powerful dude Yeah he was yeah He was He beat Frank Bruno

Didn't he He was the First person to knock out Frank Bruno Frank Bruno was up And coming heavyweight Then England Yeah

Frank Bruno had the most Preposterous body ever Yeah Fucking like a bodybuilder Jesus Christ He was the original Anthony Joshua Yeah yeah That's what a lot of original anthony joshua yeah yeah yeah that's what a lot of people in england say that yeah but joshua is clearly a better fighter you know

who's definitely more talented but what did you think about that andy ruiz fight i couldn't believe it to be honest i i'd seen ruiz fight parker and it wasn't that really exciting fight or else so i didn't even watch it because i thought it was going to be a whitewash and then when i went boxing group that we talked about earlier and i seen what happened i'm like fucking hell no way but i'm not sure what did actually someone went right there he just didn't look comfortable from being on the first belt at all even on his ring walk he didn't look comfortable joshua the rule the the rumor was that he had gotten KO'd in training yeah i've heard that too but also i heard he hurt his neck. Have you seen the mask?

I mean, it's not making excuses. You get in there, you get beaten. That's it. And he's never said it. But you can see that the corner's rubbing his neck. And it's weird because Robert McCracken's trying to talk to him. And he's just elsewhere. Yeah, he didn't seem with it at all.

He didn't seem with it. But, you know, props to Andy Ruiz. Yeah, no, Andy Ruiz looked amazing. But if he had been ko'd in training if that was the case then it kind of makes sense yeah but even before that though he dropped him what round did he drop him around three around two or three yeah and usually he's a good finisher joshua yeah but he just didn't have but he went he went in the whole style of it was weird the way the way he was boxing was weird

he was like just he didn't I mean I'm not going to say any excuses for anyone you know what I mean but he just didn't look the same

but the rematch will say it all really you know which is interesting to me about Ruiz is how fluid his combinations are but I started watching him

on pads after that and watching him train and stuff and I'm like fucking hell he isn't actually fucking really good. Why didn't we look at him and go,

he's fucking dangerous. Yeah, his efficiency with his punches, like everything's so fluid and he throws high volume struts. Ba, ba, ba, ba, bam. Ba, ba, ba, ba, bam. Got power as well. Whereas Joshua is on the outside.

He's a one, two, big shot guy. It's like Ruiz is, you know, it's a dangerous combination of two styles because if Ruiz gets in tight, he's going to land. You know, he's going to land and he's going to land like a middleweight. The weird thing was when he was in a picture with the belts, he gave them Ruiz too old. I thought it was really weird. What?

Because there's a picture, there's a press conference somewhere, London maybe, and they were having, no, it was really weird because he give there's a picture where there's there's a press conference somewhere london maybe and they were having no it was it was new york wasn't it and they he gave ruiz his belts to hold like joshua's yeah and i didn't get that before the fight yeah because lomachenko went there was a picture of luke campbell holding the wcb wbc belt and he grabbed and he went and he was like what you're fucking doing that's mine yeah he hadn't won it yet And he went, and he was like, what are you fucking doing? That's mine. He hadn't won it yet, but he already in his mind

was like, that's fucking mine. It was strange. Yeah, I wouldn't ever be doing that if I were defending the title. No, exactly.

You wouldn't do that, If I were defending the title, I'd be like, hands off. Luke looked like he was having fun with them, Lomachenko, like they were being friendly

with each other before the fight. Yeah, Luke's a great guy, man. You know, he did a great job, but got massive respect for him.

Yeah, he hurt him with some body shots too. He really did he did you know and he hit with a long left hook but lomachenko just adjusted adjusted and that was it then he was looking inside lomachenko i was watching it with my friend and i was saying you can see him looking inside the jab there was a gap in camp gamble uh campbell's hands here and you could see him just dipping all the time you know looking for that gap and then get that and then and he threw um oh because i watching i was watching him training see what i could see and he was throwing up body shot if you're a body shot and then he looping left hand he was so fast it's interesting also he dropped him with a jab and that's the same punch that kovalev dropped yard

with he stopped him with his job stopped him with it which is kind of crazy i think he was more exhausted by that point no maybe he had anything to do that did the damage that did the damage that's what Ward used to do the damage with that with that jab

Ward had one arm you know that's really crazy I couldn't believe that when we were talking about it on the podcast he was saying his shoulder was basically

half hanging on you know about him I just I watched the fight I watched the most is Kovalev and Ward both the fights but I watch, I watched, the fight I watched the most is Kovalev and Ward, both the fights. But I watch, oh, I must have watched it about 15 times now.

It's Jorge Linares and Lomachenko. Yeah, that were great fights. That's a fucking good fight, man. Jorge Linares is class. Absolute class act. He's very good. Yeah, awesome. class act he's very good yeah and the the thing about lomachenko with this that's so interesting to me is that his father made him take four years off of boxing just to concentrate on dance ukrainian

dance for his footwork it's like wow like what kind of insight did his father have that's the thing now though when i'm watching him i don't know where to look i don't know whether watch his feet or watch what he's doing at talk either he's really interesting to watch especially for like a purist who's looking for yeah stuff like this i don't know where to look when i'm watching him and his dad won't have interviews he can't interview his dad he won't he won't no he said i will speak after his career is finished wow so he said i will talk after you know i'm like i'm like tell me can you just tell me well i, he obviously has a winning formula. I mean, the guy's the shortest amount of time ever has won

world titles in three different weight classes. I mean, it's just results speak for themselves. Ridiculous. And, you know, there's, I mean, the argument of who's best pound for pound is always an interesting argument. It's, in my eyes, it's him, there's Terence Crawford, there's a couple other guys

that are in the running, but those are the two big ones. Would you agree? Yeah, I would say Crawford, Lomachenko, Usyk's up there now with that because he unified the division and he's going up 7-8. But it's a lighter division in terms of

talent-wise. Yeah, I think Crawford's a great fighter. Eamon Errol Spence is just a ringing hand. That's incredible. Spford's a great fighter him and Errol Spence is just yes that's gonna be the one that's incredible Spence is a great fight

Port and next week yeah that's a hard fight they will be a good fight because Port will come to fight yeah but I think Spence

body shots might wear him down body shots and uppercuts because he gets close yeah when he fought Mikey Garcia Garcia was just a little too small

yeah a lot too small really yeah just really wasn't in wasn't in that weight class and you see earl spence is such a earl is just such a powerful guy and big at that weight class he's a middleweight banger man he hits so hard but he's his southpaw body shots that's difficult to prepare for especially that long he throws that he's got good such a good heavy jab that he can get that left body shot in so sweet. He's just such a good fighter, him. Yeah, he's got skill, too.

I mean, he's very skillful on top of having that great power and size. He's got so many good attributes. The thing about Crawford, though, is his ability to switch stances. Yeah. He'll start a fight orthodox and then just switch southpaw

and just stick to southpaw. It's almost like he's'll start to fight orthodox and then just switch southpaw and just stick to stick to southpaw it's almost like he's figuring you out as orthodox just trying to like you know like give you a

a different thing to get accustomed to and then all of a sudden yep done and that he's better as a southpaw he's got power from either stance

and stuff as well just as good just as good and just your no chances so mean spirit only since Hagler was the last guy who was really able

to do that switch stances as well and Hagler was the last guy who was really able to do that. Switch stances as well. And Hagler wasn't really effective in orthodox. He wasn't that as effective. That's what they say, the loss of fight with Sugar Ray Leonard, because he went orthodox to prove a point in the first six rounds. But I think Leonard had done his heading by then. I didn't think he lost that fight.

I thought Hagler won that fight. I'm a Sugar Ray Leonard fanboy. Are you? Yeah. Go to his Instagram. Change your mind. Yeah. Oh, well.

Really? No, I just watch him and just the way that he slips under shots, only for Hagler, and the way he just glided about. It's just so beautiful to watch his art, man. There was a video he posted recently of him when he stopped Floyd Mayweather Sr. I'm like, man, you forget how good Sugar Ray was.

He was incredible. Yeah, he beat him up, didn't he? But my God, his Instagram is hilarious. He does the most ridiculous workouts. Like, you know,

he's an older guy, but he's like, you know, we're working hard. I've seen him fucking unload on bag not long ago as well and he was still

faster than me. Really? He's like 60. Yeah, he does like ladder workouts like the he's like he's always he's he's obviously an older guy you know you could tell but you know still active see i watched the other day i watched meldrick taylor and chavez you know the first one oh yeah class but did they fight twice yeah they fought twice. It was at welterweight. It was the second one about brutality. Yeah, he stopped him in round eight.

He'd already lost to Terrence. That first fight changed his life, man. It was such a beating. And the fact that he made it to that final round, he's one of the worst examples ever of a guy being punch drunk. If you listen to Meldrick Taylor talk, it's so sad. I mean, you can't understand a word he's saying he and the funny thing was leonard said how to beat him how to beat chavez he said if he listens and not get involved in a fight and keeps it on the outside and keeps doing

what he can do he'll win the fight and clearly because he's from philly apparently he liked to fight he liked to scrap and then it was scrap. And then it was just tragic. His story's tragic. Because he was my idol at one time. Well, Richard Steele was criticized heavily for stopping that fight with like two seconds to go. But he was correct. The guy was done. The thing is as well, Duva came on the ropes.

This is the story. Meldrick was getting the count off Richard Steele. And if you look, Meldrick looks to his right, and apparently Lou Duva was on the ropes shouting his name. And he looked at him, and then Richard Steele went. But, I mean, one punch too late, or, you know. It was, wasn't it, in his case. Does a referee have an obligation to recognize that this fighter can survive,

and if he does survive, he's probably going to win a decision? I mean, does he have an obligation? Or if he looks and he says the guy's done, the guy's done. He's done, yeah. Whether it's five seconds to go or two seconds. I mean, but for people watching that wanted Meldrick to win, they're like, fuck. But for people who wanted Chavez to win, look, when he dropped him, I mean, it looked like Meljig was done.

Yeah. You know? And then from that fight on, he was never the same again. No, never again. And then when he fought Terry Norris, that was horrific. Yeah, he got smashed in four rounds, didn't he?

Well, Terry's another one, like severely compromised now. Yeah. Like you hear Terry talk now, it's really hard to listen to. He was trained by Abel Sanchez, wasn't he? Was he? Terry Norris, yeah.

Orlin Norris and Terry Norris. He had a brother called Orlin, didn't he? Yes. Orlin was a heavyweight. Yeah, but he beat Ray Leonard and I didn't like that. And Terry Norris beat Shiloh Ray Leonard. Oh, yeah, yeah. He fucked him up.

Yeah, beat him up. Yeah, Sugar Ray had no business being in there with him. But, you know, Terry took his knocks, man. I mean the the really big one well he had quite a few fights where he was hurt you know real bad but julian jackson one shot one kill when julian jackson one shot one kill him crazy power i mean they're going about golovkin don't they but julian jackson was one shot golovkin hits hard but it's a volume thing julian jackson would thump you one time in the face and your whole body would stiffen up almost one shot no Golovkin hits hard but it's a volume thing Julian Jackson would

thump you one time in the face and your whole body would stiffen up like you got hit by a lightning you see him when he knocked out Dennis Milton

you know I think he hits him with a left up bang and as he's falling he goes at the same time really he's like bang yeah

hey Golovkin will break you out of his job before he does all that he'll break you down slowly Julian Jackson he's putting one shot still can't find him

though can we yeah true oh Golovkin you guys are looking for that every year I come in I'll break you down slowly. Julian Jackson. He's putting me to bed. Still can't find him though, can we? Yeah, true. Oh, go up in. You guys are looking for him. Every year I come in. You're stalkers. You guys are stalkers. I 100% say to Brian Dober, our friend from Double Dose,

Brian, can we go to the Big Bear? All right, sure, guys. I'll take you to the Big Bear. I'm like, why not? Is that your Brian impression? That's the deepest I can go. And I'm looking out the window. We never, ever.

We went to his restaurant where he goes to eat, but not down again. That's so stalker-like, though. Isn't that weird that you're doing that? I am a weird guy. I just don't fucking mind admitting that. You know what I mean? If you find him, what are you going to do? Get a selfie?

I would just go, it's him. I don't know what I'd do. Bistro? You said to me, when Joe said that Andre Ward was coming on, he said if he was going on At the same time So he said Fuck you know

I'll have to pick you up Because you'll faint He would if he saw Andre Ward He would He would faint Yeah 100% I fucking love Andre Ward Andre is such a nice guy

Class guy man Well he's also One of the only guys Ever To walk away At the top Yeah Undefeated

Gold medalist In the Olympics two weight classes Kawasaki did the same Kawasaki doesn't get his due no he doesn't

for whatever reason no he does not 46 and 0 why do you think he doesn't get his due I've no idea

to be honest because he beat all big names fair enough beat everybody a few of them might have been a little bit

past their self-identity so what he beat everybody he had some massive wins. He beat whoever were put in front of him. I don't know why he didn't beat you.

He didn't trash talk either, did he? No. I mean, when he beat Jeff Lacey, I mean, Jeff Lacey was like the Tyson of the Super Middleweight. Yeah. At the time, because I used to, my amateur club, I used to, we're the same club as Robin Reid. Robin Reid had a WBC Super Middleweight title

and then He boxed Jeff Lacey Got smashed I think it was In seven rounds And he said Afterwards Carl Zaghi will beat him

And then when he was At MEN It was just like I thought Fucking hell Carl Zaghi's gonna get Smashed here But no

He was Absolutely class It's an interesting Situation Because he's never Discussed When you talk about Greatest of all time

He retired Best British of all time. He's the best British of all time. Oh, yeah, of course he is. But worldwide, he's not in the conversation. I don't understand why. He did what you're supposed to do. He retired undefeated. I think predominantly, though, he boxed in England. I think he only had two fights in the United States.

Yeah, but he was on television. But he was scared of flying, apparently. Really? Yeah, you should have seen me. I would have only had two fights in the United States. Yeah, but he was on television here. He was scared of flying, apparently. Really? Yeah. You should have seen me. I would have sorted that out easy. Scared of flying, but apparently he had a sports psychologist as well who used to work with him, Joe Carlson. Really? Yeah. Before, so it had nothing to do with the flying? No, but

back in the day, he used to have a sports psychologist as well. So he was probably one of the first guys to do that, then. Yeah, possibly, yeah. I know Tyson did some hypnosis that he spoke about as well. Oh, know tyson did some hypnosis that he told about he spoke about as well oh yeah he did some hypnosis when he was a little kid which is really weird it's a bit it's a bit strange yeah well he the way he would say that you don't exist just the task the task exists you step into that man and you you break his body down and you look yeah like man you teach that to a 13 year old That's never experienced any love In his whole life

That's programming that That's a different thing It worked You're shaking your head like you don't like it As a hypnotherapist I'm quite Some people can't fight I'm not going to lie

Some people do come to me and say I want to do this And I know I know that it's not going to lie. Some people do come to me and they say, I want to do this, and I know. I know that it's not going to... I don't work with everyone because I just think, well, maybe you should do something else. You know who can and who can't. You know that.

You're right. What is the difference, though? I mean, we all know when people can or can't. I think... It's not just with fighting. I think it's with kind of everything that's difficult. I think it's a thing where it's so glamorous to see someone like him.

You see Liam Harrison, you see him smash pads, but the actual physicality of the pain, of the nerves, of all the shit you have to go through. I think that as men, we want to be like, yeah, fucking hell, blah, blah, blah. But when you actually have to go through that, there's a difference in this. You'll go where other people won't go in his mind or through the pain and stuff like that. And I think it's very difficult for people to actually comprehend men, especially when they think that being a man is defined by that.

That's what my opinion is, you know, instead of wanting to be the, you know, the soldier or whatever it is, you know. Well, it's also that people have physical limitations. Like, that's one of the reasons why Malanagi is so interesting to me because he's clearly got a physical limitation his body is not the most stout body he doesn't have the best frame he doesn't have you know it's not he doesn't have the best genetics he just doesn't he's never had that that's knockout point no i mean even he doesn't look like an athlete no you know he just he's just smart as fuck and figured it out. You know, whereas like Yard, Jesus Christ, you look at him at the weigh-in,

you're like, that guy's a fighter. He looks like an athlete. Fucking animal. You know, Canelo looks like an athlete. Well, then Danny Bill didn't. Did he? Danny Bill didn't look like an athlete, but his fucking skill level was insane. Yeah, well, there's some guys that just aren't physically impressive looking,

like Chavez was never physically impressive looking. But he'd break you down. Smush you to pieces. He was such a beautiful fighter to watch because his style, this relentless fucking move forward style, rip the body, and he never gave you any air.

You didn't have any air. And he never did putts. He didn't even know how to hit the fucking speed bag. Really? No, he didn't do any pads. They had him hit the speed bag once. It was hilarious. He was going to the speed bag like this.

He's like, and laughing. To his, no one's head's on a fucking swivel. What did he do in the sparring? Sparring at the bags. Sparring at the bags. He never did pads.

He only did pads when he went to Emanuel Stewart, and that was for the rematch against, who did he lose to Frankie Randall Frankie the surgeon Randall I watched that

Because I didn't really Smoke weed But I watched that Stoned And I was watching it And I said Why I don't know

Why I don't smoke weed No why did you watch it Stoned Because me and my mate Was stoned one night And then he said Oh Chavez is on And I was like

I don't know He was fighting Because it was before Internet and all That sort of business and then when he got dropped what i did notice he got because chavez got dropped with the right hand all the mexicans jump up and go put their hands on the face and went he's got to drop me mate where did he and then the rest is history well randall had had that timing, man, with that right hand. He really knew how to time it. Yeah, he was, yeah. And he just had his number.

And it was also the perfect storm of Chavez at the end of his rope, you know, long career, like had a lot of wars, and that style was so... How many fights did he have as well? I think he went 87 on BN. But he didn't beat Penel Whittaker. No fucking way. He didn't beat Penel Whittaker that time when it was a draw.

No, it was. That was horse shit. Yeah, that was horse shit. Penel Whittaker was a special talent, man. He was special. Talk about awareness. Oh, my God. Defensively, he was just genius.

Well, that whole 1984 Olympic team, like, holy shit. I mean, think about how good that team was Vander Holyfield Purnell Whitaker Meldrick Taylor Mark Breland Tyrell Biggs I mean what a

talented group of people that came out of that Olympic team I never realised they were all on the same team that year they say that it was an easier run for them

because the Cubans didn't go to the Olympics that year but I mean even so they'd beat them in the World Championships anyway but if you watch taylor maldrick taylor he got in the world champions he gets dropped and has a scrap in that so it was in him anyway he had that dog in him that oh yeah that dog well he was so slick you know i mean that guy was as slick as they come

who was hit by a car i know that's what that's so sad oh god I knew he had I knew he did like a drink when I was old so was he hammered when he got hit I don't know but I did hear that he did like a drink

but he was I just I remember him watching Harold Brazier and he slipped side to side got round him and slapped him on the ass

and walked off how the fuck do you do that I mean the proper men who can fight properly and he's he was so gifted, man. Yeah, there's only a few guys that were capable of humiliating you like he was. Him and Roy.

Roy Jones in his prime was capable of humiliating people. But he put his hands behind his back that time. Glenn Kelly, wasn't it? Yeah, unbelievable. Australian guy. Well, I still think against Vinny Pazienza, it's the only round In CompuBox history Where the opponent Didn't score a single punch Which is insane

Because he was fighting A world champion Yeah Especially someone aggressive Like that was going to Be throwing as well God damn he was good And then he left uppercut

Right uppercut He stepped aside Left uppercut And just finished Vinny Pazienza was rock hard Nigel Benn's fighting again I know That's alright

How old is he? He's 80,000 years old 850,000 years old. 850,000 years old. I think he's 55. Really? Yeah, 55,

54, yeah. How is he doing now? Who's he going to fight? I've heard

it's Sakio Bika. Really? John Wayne Powell lost to him. Sarah, remember him

and Bika is how old? Don't know. Don't know. He's probably in his 40s. I think Roy Jones knocked

him out, didn't he? Sakio Bika, yeah. Back in the day. Yeah, and an old thing, you boxed him as well, Joe Calzaghe. See if there's footage of Nigel been training recently. I want to know what his body looks like.

55, man. He's in shape, though. But you remember that fight with Gerald McClung way back in the day, back when he used to have the dreads. And that was the defining fight where people realized, I remember that fight with Gerald McClellan way back in the day, back when he used to have the dreads. Yeah. And that was like the defining fight where people realized like, oh, God, a guy who's the elite of the elite like Gerald McClellan. Everyone was terrified of him as well. He could get brain damage.

Well, that's why I got into hypnosis for boxing and sport is because Nigel Benn, after he fought Gerald McClellan, he said, I'd like to thank Paul McKenna for hypnotizing me and making me believe in myself really yeah wow

so I went to an evening with Nigel Benner and I said I got into the job the career that you that I do now

through you so your influence well he certainly needed it in that fight yeah belief in himself

because he if that had got stopped in round one when he fell out of the ring no one would have complained no one would have

complained yeah it could have easily been stopped. McClellan was a murderer. He was a murderer. Is this day one back? He posted this on his Instagram. Let's see.

Oh, shit. Damn. He looks fucking great. Fuck's sake. All these old guys make me feel like shit, man.

That's crazy. Except me. The only thing is, can he hold a shot that that age do you know i mean well he looks fucking great and like when you watch him throw punches you see him with ricky hatton on pads look at the speed man at 55 that's crazy and he could punch hard as well so he's still carrying a bit of snap in them shots which looks like i need you to piss into this cup sir yeah we're buying into it though, aren't we? I'm not watching it. Coming from someone who's on TRT,

I ain't buying it. That's amazing, man. That really is another video of him? Let me see here. They're working on some combinations here. But I mean, it don't look bad at all. If someone told you that guy was 30, yeah, someone told you that guy was 30,

you'd be buying it. I mean, it's crazy that he's able to maintain that speed. He's got a son called Connor Bennu, boxes as well. He's up well away. He's on beating as well. 55 is old, though, man. That's fucking old. He used to be fighting another man like that type of.

Yeah. The only thing that I would think is, well, one thing going for him is that he did not fight for a long-ass time. You know, I want to see what he looks like without a shirt on, too. That's only gay. But it's not. I'm just purely as a person and analyzing athletes. But even back when he did used to fight, all his fights were crazy wars. I know you've had a long time off, but do you ever recover from that?

Right. And how much do you recover when you get hit? Does it all come right back? I mean, he last fought, I want to say 15 years ago. How long has it been? The last time he fought was against Steve Collins. Who was that? He lost twice.

About 20 years ago. 20 years ago, yeah. Fucking crazy. Because he got heavily into the church and the belief system like that him and his wife I think her name's Caroline

they live in Australia yeah because he used to be a party animal didn't he back in there in his book and that it says he'd have a fight and then he'd go out

on a Friday night and he wouldn't come back home until Monday he used to do DJing and stuff like that so he would pop in pearls and doing all sorts out all weekend and he wouldn't stop until the promoter rang him used to do DJing and stuff like that so he would pop in pearls and do an all-sports out

all weekend and he wouldn't stop until the promoter rang him and said, right, you've got to fight in 10 weeks. Yeah, and he used to smoke

20 cigarettes a day. Then he'd stop and then go back into camp straight away. But his hands are like that. I've met him and I've been picturing his hands are like that big.

He's massive. His hands are huge. That certainly helps. Yep. But what I'm seeing there that's so shocking is his speed. Yeah. That at 55 he's still got that kind of speed. And he eats what I'm seeing there that's so shocking is his speed. Yeah.

That at 55, he's still got that kind of speed. And he eats what he wants, he says. He eats what I want. Don't eat anything. He's just not on a good diet? No, he just says, I eat what I want, what I feel like. But he trains all the time. Wow.

Like, runs like 10 miles a day and, yeah. Well, I'm interested. I'm interested. It's got me going now. Me, you, I'm not watching that and they were like i'm a little confused though when he says he eats whatever he wants he's not following a good diet like i would imagine that if you're gonna be at like bernard hopkins late in his career like he was an anomaly but you attributed it to his discipline yeah when you know he lived the life yes like

unlike anyone else yes i wonder i mean if nigel's not doing that how the is he able to i mean i mean he might be doing it now but what he said he looked well and look if he's fighting for a fight camp yet he might do it now but when i've been seeing interviews with all your fishing ships carry i'm not bothered you know and he's like he's what he wants doesn't he his fight with you bank like what got me into like boxing that first fight one of the best fights I've ever seen I hated Eubank forever

I loved him as well I hated him Eubanks was a great fighter he was a great fighter you know it's just it's so weird to see a guy come back at 55

it's so confusing I don't understand what for I mean bored bored him yeah fucking bored and obviously

he can still crack you know he's probably like I can think of how I can do this I'd probably be like if I got to that age and I hit the paddler

you know what that felt alright I'm coming back I'll be like in an old people's home with Alzheimer's he's coming back yeah you can see

the wheels spinning around you know what I can't wait till I'm dead old who is the like the oldest ever guy who came back in muay thai my fucking cousin andy alson he's had about 10 comebacks but uh he's like 40 and he's coming back again but i don't know what the oldest but he retired about five times how does he look he's 40 he's my padman you'll probably see me on instagram with me he's the one who's

always holding the pads for me and stuff so he's still in good shape because he's always training with me all the time but he's literally one who's always holding the pad to me and stuff so he's still in good shape because he's always training with me all the time but he's literally retired how many times five he's fucking insane honestly I'll have to send you one of his

fights mate you've never seen one like it I was in Japan with him and he fought against Torado there were five knockdowns in a

minute and a half dropped him and I was like yeah dropped him again and then got back into the corner and I said you alright he went my foot's

broke I went jump saw the fight he said nah fuck it I'll kick him with it anyway. Jesus. And he went out and then the next round there were five knockdowns in a minute and a half. So Andy dropped the kid twice, ran in to finish him, then got knocked down three times himself and lost on point.

Oh my God. He did people with body shots and he worked on his counter left hook and it worked sweet. Yeah. And it was as if he went, hey, it fucking worked. I'll do it again and again and again. And then he just got caught by it.

Went to the well too many times. Yeah. You saw the Stipe DC fight, Stipe Miocic versus Daniel Cormier. Yeah, the body shots, yeah. When was the last time you saw that many beautiful left hooks landed to the body in an MMA fight? In MMA, it's unheard of, really, isn't it? Unheard of. For someone like that.

And the way he was landing it was so clean. Yeah. But so short too you know there's no like wind up and craziness it was just just digging into

the body around fall when he started doing it as well when he was already tired as well our friend was crying over that

wasn't he it was hard to watch DC get beat up he seems a good guy he's a great guy he's a beautiful person but for me there was also part of me that was very happy for stipe because stipe was denied like they weren't even talking about him fighting again uh for the title he was the

most successful ufc heavyweight champion ever four times defended that or you know four defended that over you know four victories in title fights won the fight against Fabrizio Verdum KO'd him in Brazil won the title then defended the title three times so he won four world championship bouts nobody had ever done that before in the heavyweight division because it's such a crazy division so easy to get knocked out and then he goes and loses and then no one's talking about a rematch like how are you not talking about a rematch they were talking about him fighting brock lesnar it's like guys like i know there's a lot of money in brock lesnar fighting but get the fucking right to the title

when this guy defended the title three times no one else had done he was the man and then he proved that that was the case he comes back and beats beats DC in the rematch Like so good for him To get that shot And then to capitalize on it And he's the greatest heavyweight Of all time Yeah one of my One of my clients

Was just signed for UFC Chai Mills Not Chai Mills That's his name Chai Chai Perry Chai Chai

He's named Chai anyway You don't even know Your fucking clients I know Is it a kickboxer Is that weed in there Is that big cloud of weed We just had to walk through Like I forgot who I am You walked through it though You didn't even know your fucking clients. I know. Is it a kickboxer? Is that a big cloud of weed? We just had to walk through.

I forgot who I am. You walked through it, though. You didn't even smoke it. The smoke food. Do you mean Chai Perry Lewis? Yes. Yeah, Chai Perry Lewis. Okay, the kickboxer from Glory that's now.

Yeah, that's right. He's a dangerous man. You know what? He's such a sweet human being. They said that about Eddie Alvarez. Eddie Alvarez is a great guy. Yeah. i was so happy when he won i was so happy because we did some work and i said to him watch ricky ticky tarvey which is a story about a mongoose fighting two snakes and it's a it's a metaphor it's a really cool metaphor anyone to

watch it on youtube it's a 1975 cartoon It's a story by Rudyard Kipling. And there's just lots of metaphors as to not going down certain areas because these snakes were going to kill this monkey. It's a long story. People want to watch it. It's good. And I told him about that and then did some work with him and stuff like that. And he's such a nice guy.

He's a great guy. Such a nice guy. And him going over to 1FC was a gigantic deal. Former UFC champion in his him going over to 1FC was a gigantic deal. Former UFC champion in his prime heads over to 1FC after a win streak in the UFC

but that Timothy Nastukhin guy is no fucking joke. Yeah, they don't fuck around. That guy's a straight up murderer. He's a murderer, man. I was super impressed with him. I'm like, how many guys like that

are out there that the general public maybe is not aware of, but they're elite world class talent. There's a lot on that one roster as well. When I look at them, I think, fucking hell. That's what's crazy about going over there. Because you're going over there, like if you're a guy from the UFC, if you say, literally

if you're a Conor McGregor or someone like that, and you're a world champion, you're known throughout the land, everybody knows you. Guess what? They might have somebody over there that can fucking murk you. 100%. There's so many of them. Badass Russians. Yep.

So many. He said that as well. He said, oh, he's a third world guy. He's got nothing to lose. I said, but yeah, but you've got first world experience. So you've got first world experience. He hasn't. And when he won, I was at Super Pro Samui in Thailand where I go training,

and I went, fucking yes! And it was about half eleven at night, and all the lights come on, you know when people are fighters and they're looking out the doors, I was like, it's all right. But I was so happy he won, because he's such a good guy. He's a great guy. And that style that he has, like, holy shit. Like, if there's ever been more of a blood and guts fighter, you know?

And the fact that he was able to persevere against Justin Gaethje. Yeah. And that fucking crazy war. Yeah. Like, holy shit. Yeah. That kid is hilarious to watch. Gaethje, in the best way.

He's so cowboy. Yeah, cowboy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Fuck that kid's violent. Yeah, yeah. Is he going to fight McGregor then? Oh, please. Please.

God's a fight. Please let that happen. Is that happening on 14th of December, McGregor? He put something in Dublin 14th of December, didn't he? So is that his comeback? I thought he was going to box, I heard. McGregor? Yeah, he's going to box some other Irish kid

that he's got beef with. Oh, is that what that is? Yeah, yeah. Look, he might get knocked the fuck out. That would ruin everything I think I think a fight versus Gaethje

would be the fight to make right there's two big fights to make in the lightweight division it's Justin Gaethje versus Conor McGregor which is huge

and then it's Nurmagomedov versus Tony Ferguson that's the fucking fight that's number one if I had to give all my my blessings

to the gods like for one i said please never go off in that one never go off in tony ferguson please you know i i'm not really versed in um you know mma sort of you know things that they do and stuff but even i who's not educated in any way shape or form was i've been kickboxed Thai boxing and stuff but i watched that khabib and i'm just I can't help but fucking go wow because when he got back to the corner

Pettis got to the corner I like to listen to what they're saying to him and he said I can't keep him off he said I can't get him off me you mean Tony Ferguson not Khabib no Khabib

against Pettis yeah against Pettis no he didn't fight Pettis no he didn't fight Pettis no Tony Ferguson fought Pettis and then Khabib fought Dustin Poirier. Oh,

sorry, I apologise, well, that's obviously not often, is it? But, well,

Khabib's last fight and he went back to the corner and he said, I can't get him off me. Yeah. He's just, he's just like

so fucking strong. The thing is with a Ferguson fight though, well, it has to happen now because surely he hasn't got many

left in him doing what he does. Surely he can't have. He only wants two more fights. Yeah, there you go then. Though, I think the plan is tony ferguson and then george st pierre right that's big big big big big big money yeah there you go yeah i mean that's the biggest money of

all time what would he fight i don't know he can get to 55. 155. well i'm sure i've read someone in the net that he'd done like a mock wake up and got himself right down and i saw that before I read somewhere on the internet that he'd done like a mock wake up and got himself right down and I saw that before and he looked in decent shape

George is smart as fuck he's so intelligent yeah I remember him being on here talking about how intermittent fasting has changed all his life and all his

yeah yeah I remember that if he thinks he can do it he can do it I mean he wouldn't even be considering it if he didn't and you know

he's also training with Kevin Lee now Kevin Lee's up there training at 155 and you know he's decided to go back down to 155 as well I spoke to Kevin Lee he's a nice guy he's also training with Kevin Lee now. Kevin Lee's up there training at 155, and he's decided to go back down to 155 as well. I spoke to Kevin Lee. He's a nice guy. He's a great guy.

Great guy. Did you work with him? A little bit, but he was bouncing around to find out where he was settling the most, so I kept in contact with him just to not really do anything but just keep my eye on him.

You all right? How's it going? Just encouragement, really. He's a great guy. We'll see what happens in the future with him. not really do anything but just keep my eye on him you alright how's it going you know just encouragement really he's a great guy we'll see what happens in the future with him but I think if you know

if anything trips him up at all it's like he has this belief that he's the best and that belief

doesn't get shaken by losses but it also doesn't seem like he makes the proper adjustments that's why I recommend that he goes to Firas Zahabi I'm like listen man doesn't get shaken by losses, but it also doesn't seem like he makes the proper adjustments. That's why I recommend that he goes with Firas Zahabi. I'm like, listen, man, if there's ever a guy who could put,

I still think he could be a world champion. I really do. But I think Firas Zahabi is the guy to really hone his skills properly because who did he bring to the world title? George St. Pierre. Who does Kevin Lee fight like? Georges St-Pierre. If there's one guy he fights like, he's like unpredictable

whether the attack's going to be striking or wrestling, mixes it up beautifully. Who does that better than Georges St-Pierre? Nobody. He's the best ever at it. And Kevin Lee does that style. His last fight, St-Pierre, Bisping, his last fight,

because I wouldn't have expected him to just punch his lights out like that. Like how he did. Well, Bisping had a bunch, he had issues going into that fight he had a real problem with his his uh ribs like he was in the bathroom about to shoot lidocaine into his rib cage really and he was going to have his doctor on facetime and uh he just decided like the problem was if he up up the injection, he could attempt a puncture his lung. And if he punctures his lung, he was like, fuck, what am I doing here? So he decided not to do it.

But he in the bathroom had his fucking he talked about it, had his doctor on FaceTime. And he was going to like lidocaine his ribs. So he decides not to do that. And he also the reality is he had one eye. His right eye was fucking blind he can't see anything and George knew it

so George stepped to that side and that's where he caught him with that left hook blindsided literally literally blindsided

yeah I mean look Bisping is as tough as a fucking human being has ever been he is a warrior but by the time he got to that fight

god damn that guy had been through the ringer been through the ringer another one that deserves what he got to that fight god damn that guy had been through the ringer been through the ringer another one that deserves where he got put the hard work in and took his licks

yeah and he got there through mental toughness he's as mentally tough as any fucking human in business ever was 100% because when he fought

Silver as well in the knee the jumpy knee as well because everyone thought that was done then he wins the next round yep there you go

yeah I mean look Silver walked away like it was a KO you know and really it was kind of a cheap shot because his

mouthpiece was out and he was saying hey put my fucking mouthpiece out we're separated and then Silver's like check this out dunk

catches him you know and to come back like he did from that and still we won the fight as well did a little bit with him as well

Mike Bispin flying knees in MMAma is like when one lands you know you're you're seeing guys land them now like the masvidal fight with ben askren is the best example of all time like god damn that but in muay thai that is so rare it's hard to land it clean in muay thai as well and i've i've tried myself quite a lot of times when i've been fighting it is hard to land a clean one to the face you see like the the dutch what vinnie were on about earlier they've got it down because what they do is the unload with the hands make you cover tight right and then drive it straight from mid-league guard so they've got

it down to an art then but like for an actual flying jumping one like right across the ring it is hard to land in my child and landed one on bocal though didn't he yeah yeah he did beautiful classic picture yeah there's just so in in mma it's like you never know if a guy's gonna shoot and with wrestlers that that desire to go and dive on your legs and then boom you get caught with that flying that madrid i won my scandalous money he's in versus diaz i remember watching your reaction on thing as well. Fucking five seconds. But, you know, when you realize that he planned for that and that he actually set it up by moving to his right

to force Ben to definitely lead with that left leg forward. I mean, he really went to that side and then came at him. So Ben's instinct, he couldn't avoid it. It's like that's his thing is to get a hold of you and like here it's right on him and then bang that knee comes right up the middle god damn out one a it was just god damn and then they got another one in there and all the shit talking that went on before that fight that was a just a devastating loss yeah yeah big time and he's coming back Really quickly Against Damian Maia

Right And that's an interesting fight Because Damian Maia Is a fucking Strangler Yeah That was a bad KO as well Yeah

It wasn't like Just got stopped He was out It was a bad KO Right So to have him fight Just four months later It's like

Brave Yeah And maybe not I mean What if Damian Maia Decides to stand and bang with him Yeah I mean mean What if Damien Maia Decides to stand And bang with him Yeah

I mean if anybody Look Damien Maia Can take you out With his hands No doubt about it And if anybody Is capable of Stuffing takedowns

Or reversing position As a grappler Damien Maia Is a spectacular grappler Yeah Yeah true He's a brave or stupid One of the two

That's a right show though Wasn't it November the 2nd Madison Square Garden Is that on the card Yeah I don't know But there's a right show That's the one with Till

That's the one with Masvidal and Diaz I don't think Damian Maia And Ben Askren's on that card I feel like it's on The December card It should be Till versus Gasly

Till versus Gasly That's a tough fight Yeah another tough fight So Till's going up That's a tough fight yeah another tough fight so Till's going up that's it 185 huh yeah we're at my last fight and I said

mate you are fucking humongous I said what you been doing he went I'm just I'm growing he's still young isn't he so he's still like filling out into his body yeah he's getting thicker

yeah he spent you know I've got a lot of love for Till because I got love for him because I've known him a long time but he

he stood and all the people is it on that card no oh it's on the fight night the week before oh so is it the

main event is it the main event of the fight card yes oh okay interesting Singapore

okay cool yeah and they all bombarded Till didn't they and he stood for an hour and a half having

pictures taken with all the kids and he was wicked man he was brilliant with the people wasn't he in Ireland well when he got

knocked out by Masvidal that was shocking yeah and the way Masvidal did it again he's so is a fight iq is so high he's so clever at figuring out how to fight him and him and ds yeah god damn that's gonna be a sick fight if he stops diaz then there there can be no thing next except for a title fight. Yeah, got to be. It has to be. It has to be.

But I'm just very disturbed by this whole Colby Covington situation. Because I guess, you know, he just feels like they're giving him a shitty deal. And then they're trying to set up someone else to fight Usman next. And he's very upset. First of all, he's got a real grief, a real grievance. Because they took his title away. He won the interim title and they took it away because he wasn't willing to fight immediately afterwards. And he's like, look, I need time.

I fought five rounds of fucking war. Then he comes back and looks incredible against Robbie Lawler. It's like, well, surely now he's going to get the next title fight. And they offered it to him, but they offered it to him as a challenger with like challenger money. It's like, hey, I'm the fucking interim champion. I have in the ufc it was a a loss early on in my career i fought injured and lost like this is this is i've proven myself and he's also puts people fucking hate that guy right but that's my design i mean he's puts he puts asses in seats and he puts eyeballs on the screen yeah i'll see him lose him lose or I'll see him win. It's just one or the other, isn't it?

He's still going to watch either way. Like Floyd. Like Floyd. Exactly. I mean, what Floyd did that's so smart is talk shit, show you his money, and everybody's like, oh, come on. I want to see him get spiked. And you can't even hit him.

I feel like number 24-7 would convince you that someone really shit might beat him. You're like, 24-7, he's done this and that. He's done loads of other things. You go, he's got a chance. Is he the one? I might be like 24 70s doing this and that is doing the one that's you here yeah well there's also these there was moments like my Donna when clipped him at the end of that one round yeah a little you're like maybe maybe my god mostly wobbled him a little bit as well but then when my Donna fought him in the rematch he couldn't even come close and after that when moley wobbled him In round two of that fight He just got took to school For the rest of the fight

He just adjusted I remember he just adjusted Like that Third round just went out Just woke up too Maidana's apparently Coming back again Yeah you heard that

How did he look? He was going to I think he stopped again He was going to And then he stopped again He was training to fight And then he stopped again When did he stop?

I don't know But I read that He was training to fight And then he stopped again When did he stop? I don't know But I read that He was training to fight And then he stopped again Because he wasn't Go to Mike Dono's Instagram He wasn't training with What's he called?

Robert Garcia Yeah Robert Garcia At Oxnard? Yes Yeah He wasn't training with him He was training in

Las Vegas somewhere So he wasn't training with him he was training in las vegas somewhere so we're training with him because that's in oxford it looked like he dropped loads of weight yeah put all that mayweather money weight on didn't he he was just loving it you're loving it yeah posting photos up with his guns and cigars and all that yeah yeah yeah living the dream but then he'd lost loads but then i read somewhere as well that he'd stopped to come back well that kind of lifestyle when you only have like one chunk of money and it's just sitting there you're chewing through

that shit every day buying Rolexes and Cuban cigars next thing you know you're like hey bro you got about

100 grand left oh shit shit get me a sweatsuit yeah I'm 55 I'm coming back yeah

yeah I mean he's not too old though Maidana's probably 35 36 right Nah You got his Instagram Chino Maidana

It's not It's from March It's not recent at all Oh really March 30th This is a picture of him Go to the That's his last

Instagram post Yeah that's why That's why I remember looking at it Then I read after that That he'd come back and stop Wow Clarence Bones Adams innit Who are you trying to recently Make on Really Yeah Clarence Bones Adams So that's why I remember looking at it and then I read after that that the comeback would stop. Clarence Bones Adams, isn't it?

He trained recently at American. Really? Yeah, Clarence Bones Adams. So that's it, huh? Let me see what's going on before that. March is a long-ass

time. Let me see that. That's what I want to see. Two weeks before that. But I want to see him hit. He looks thin there

though. That's Maidana looking so much better than he looked, I mean, a year ago he was fat as fuck Yeah ridiculous Like Bert Kreischer fat Damn he looks good

I don't know why the comeback's been Well who knows man Who knows It's hard I mean when you're out for so long To decide you're a warrior again And you're back to being a professional athlete again. Like the commitment

is so significant. Yeah, 100%. Go before that. It's hard enough. Not that one. That right there. Look at that fat face. Yeah.

Look at that face. He's so fat. That's a fat face. It's hard enough when you've had like two or three weeks off after a tough fight. Yeah.

In that first couple of weeks back, getting yourself back into eating clean in the gym every day, getting back into routine and being like look at that picture jamie that your cursor's on right now look at that that's what he's doing yeah pimping smoking cigars drinking hey yeah but i mean how much money did he make on those floyd fights yeah yeah maybe 20. because the people demanded didn't it the second one yeah he demanded the second one but you know when he beat brona down though that would class that one yeah that was good that was a good fight how many people went yeah that guy is so it's it's so interesting because he had so much potential

but for whatever reason he's just like stepped on his dick so many times. Yeah, I think he's... Oh, look at him. There he was. There he was at his fattest. He dropped on here. Damn, he got pretty goddamn slim. He got close. But what is he doing now? It doesn't say? That.

Stacks of cash, eating cheesesteaks. Having a good fucking time. Yeah that was great when he when he beat broner in that fight and bruno got around back of him and did that behind him and then he did it behind after he knocked him down as well yeah he talked to him twice and he dropped something light on as well well broner should have been a superstar you know yeah he should but his whole like the flashy lifestyle it's just his choices that he made as well that he's made as well they're doing stupid shit

like fighting in the street in the middle of Las Vegas stripping and stuff thinking no one's gonna see it I think it's too much too soon as well I think you get that much money you've still got that

immature sort of mindset that there's no really around you know they're so talented but there's no one around them to either they don't look

no one they don't get looked after or they don't listen to who's looking after them yeah you know it's a shame some parts of it is a shame you know what i mean he's uh and he had slow feet he didn't have very quick feet well i think that was his style was that philly yeah yeah that shell style was his well how crazy after the pacquiao fight he up didn't he yes he did and then he wounded after that as well well how crazy after the Pacquiao fight he was trying to say

that he got robbed yeah ridiculous even his corner was saying he got it in the back and his corner

was smart guys that was terrible corner work what do you think that was about I don't know because that wasn't close

in my opinion maybe somebody poisoned them bit of LSD in your drink mate enjoy vinnie what is like when you've worked with so many different people and there's so many different psychological issues that fighters deal with what do you think is like one of the primary causes one of the primary things the psychological missteps that fighters make that you maybe could help them correct um things from

the past I think I think it's it's down to what goes on in their lives before they may become fighters yeah yeah how so um because I don't think you can have any relationship with anxiety unless something's triggered it from the past so I like to go deeper than just um just the surface I like to go deeper than just just the surface I like to go back and talk to them about the childhood and stuff like that it seems to work but the thing is with my job Joe it's so interesting because everyone's different you know one's got the same DNA

or the same fingerprints and everybody's different to work with so to say one thing can be very difficult it's just about keeping them where they are completely at one with themselves or they understand themselves, you know what I mean, and not go down certain avenues of getting carried away. A typical example, Eddie told me that before one of his fights in Mexico City, I think it was, he was like, he was just praying or he was that nervous.

He was praying that he just, I want to go to sleep because his mind was so fucking overactive. And, you know, and it's things like that. I'm now working with Cody Nolove, Cody Garbrandt. And they're all so different. They're all so talented and brilliant at what they do, but it's all so different. To nail it down to one thing would be difficult but many times it's memories of failure

yeah or just yeah reminder because in the unconscious this is my belief that people might argue with it but i i think that you have to have a certain connection with something else in the past to get yourself a reference it's like i believe that anxiety is something from the past thought about now projected into the future you know so i think projected into the future is you're ultimately who you are that defines you or projected into future as in you're going to believe you're going to lose or you're going to do this so what we've done now is just lead it on to what we've both been doing is I've got a new thing called the Shorman Solution where people can go interactive website where they can go on videos. And there's like quite a lot of videos of different techniques.

What's the URL? The shormansolution.com. Yeah, it's not out yet. It'll be out released when this comes out. Let me know. So I can send people there. Yes, please. The idea behind

it is you can't just do it in one session right you need a bunch of it's like mental training that's what pisses me off about fighters yeah they get constantly two weeks before help me out i need to help her blah blah blah you know and or on the fight day um i worked with molly mccann who had two fights recently. But I had to stop Starbucks for all my kids, and the thing you get FaceTime and say blah, blah, blah. But I have worked with Molly anyway. But people hire me after they lose. Hire me before you lose so you can get the best out of your training and stuff.

But I think that's the nature of the job. I think it makes you question yourself when you lose. Right uh but that can be great yeah it's great for me but i mean no i mean even for them yeah it can be great to lose because it can give you a wake-up call yeah and so many fighters have done their best work after they've lost and made adjustments yes mighty mouse is a great example true when mighty mouse well he beat ian mccall but honestly that is a real questionable decision and ian was beating the fuck out of him ian had his back and he's pounding him in the head i mean it was definitely his worst performance or one of his worst performances and then from then on mighty mouse and matt hume had a conversation like hey

you can't just fucking half-ass this anymore. You've got to be all in. And he became all in and then became the best ever. He looked great as well. Yeah, he does look great on one championship. He's amazing. He's amazing. But he got tested in that first fight by a guy that no one in America knew.

And just lets you know. They're all over there. They're all waiting, them guys. Well, they're all waiting, right? Like all these people. Look, you think about how talent arises, right? When you get to be an Anderson Silva, when you step into the UFC and fight Rich Franklin, he's the champion.

A lot of people didn't know Anderson Silva was unless you followed him outside the U.S. And you'd go, holy fucking shit, is this guy good? This could be crazy. If you saw his Cage Wars fights, like, oh, my God. Like, he was incredible. If you saw his fights in Pride like oh my god like he was incredible if you saw his fights in pride like jesus christ he was amazing yeah i mean anderson before he got to the ufc i was letting everybody know bet the house on this guy yeah like because this is he's on a completely different level but there's a million of those guys yep there's so many of those guys out there in these other countries that no one's seen they don't get any press but they've been lighting people up in these amateur competitions and in

small on the small circuit and then just waiting for their chance just to like timothy naziukin people didn't know who he was you see that guy like jesus christ i like that guy against a lot of people yeah he's good dangerous very dangerous yeah it doesn't play big guy yeah you know and that's also the thing about the no weight cuts at one fc that makes things very interesting yeah that was fucking hard that the first time i did ever did it like my first fight for one i thought way out of my weight class i got called on eight days notice and i took a fight at like 154 which i never fight what do you weigh right now right now i've been enjoying america so i'm probably about

160 but when i'm training like even not in fight camp i'm walking around about 155 156 so and i fight and you will fought 154 what kind of hydration test do they give you guys to make sure that you're not cutting weight so on say if we fight on the saturday on the thursday on the wednesday you got weighing on the scales just so they can see what weight you are there's no meaning on it on anything

but on the Thursday you can have your first weight check you have to weigh in on weight hydrated because obviously they'll piss test you

so you're weighing bang on weight and hydrated if you fail either then you're going to have to do it again on the day of the fight so basically

you're going to have to weigh in three times if you don't do it correctly so then you do it again on the Friday weigh in three times if you don't do it correctly. So then you do it again on the Friday, weighing hydrated on weight. And then on a Saturday, you can,

then you can put all your weight back on or whatever you're going to do and fight. Do they test your body to make sure that you're not cutting any water? No, they just make sure that like, just check your piss. They basically just put like a little thing in it just to check how hydrated it is. So if you're under, I think if you're under 250, you're good.

And if you're over 250, that's a fail. Interesting. So they'll know that you're dehydrated. Yeah. So your weight is not representative of your actual weight

if you're healthy. Yeah. Yeah, basically, yeah. And so by making you do it several times, they're saying like, we know what you are. Yeah.

And you're not going to like go weigh in and then put on 25, 30 pounds overnight and be a giant the next day. Do you know what I mean? So it's going to, you're both going to be same size. Yeah, and that's the UFC do that Why doesn't everybody do that? Oh, it's the grossest thing in fighting is the way cut

Yeah, because it puts guys through horrendous internal damage Yeah, kidney damage the way the MMA guys do it as well like I can like me now when I'm walking around I've only be i will be seven eight pounds like that's you know they're losing 20 pounds like in a week of fighting stuff like that's crazy well with grappling it's such a giant advantage yeah exactly if you're gonna lay on someone and so big such a huge advantage if you can actually regain your strength and because of the real experts like george lockhart guys are really good at getting guys rehydrated and weighing you in

sucking all that water out of your body and then putting it back slowly and correctly it really is and if you understand that science but it's just

to me it's the most heartbreaking part of MMA is to watch those guys with their faces sucked in like zombies they can barely even

stand on scales and stuff like that getting lifted on their scales I've been like that before in fights and I thought to myself fuck it I never want to do that ever again. I'd rather just die it and let them be a little bit bigger than me. But now, if I finish my career with one FC,

I never have to worry about that again. That's great. I just think that's the smartest way to go. I really wish everybody would do that. I mean, I think it's legal cheating. I think it's legalized cheating. I agree. Yeah, like you say, if you've like someone who's lost five pounds and then

someone's lost 20 pounds and the next day they're putting 30 pounds on which is just crazy vinnie are you seeing a rise in people that take this mental training seriously and take things like mindset training seriously yeah um yeah and in different sports as well yeah because of thank you for having us on here because it does get us a lot of attention doesn't it so thank you for that my pleasure thank you brother and thank you for hypnotizing me and now i know it's real yeah you know what that was the worst most nerve wracking hypnotherapy i've ever done in my fucking life why well imagine it if i nemitize you and it didn't work i'd have to sit here for two hours going, that was shit. You're a prick.

Well, I treated it with respect and I treated it with full attention and I didn't go into it skeptically. I went into it with an open mind, you know, and it's real. It's like, I tried to explain the state of mind that you achieve when you're hypnotized. It's very hard to describe, you know,

without experiencing it because it's different than any other state of mind that I've ever had. But you are awake. That's the other thing that weirds people out. They think, oh, you're in another – you're in dreamland. He's going to take your pants off. You're not even going to know. And it's not a power over either.

No. And I'm carrying on continuing to learn more. I'm learning quantum linguistics and time, space, matter, and energy with Colin McKay, who's an amazing guy with linguistics. I trained with Bob Burns. I went down to Scotland when you say linguistics you mean by using special

yeah words words and combination yeah and listening to how people's language patterns are a lot of hypnotherapists now on my

Instagram and stuff they're all like sleep hey look at me and blah blah blah and you're out and I don't like that I can't do that but I

there's more subtle ways of doing it and I've been working with different people Bob Burns that, but there's more subtle ways of doing it. And I've been working with different people, Bob Burns. Okay, but what do you mean when you're saying linguistics? You mean like people using negative language that they need to stop?

And language to try and get them out of the model of the world. So insight to try and move them through their model of the world or their understanding of what they think their problem is. So once you think about a problem and then you, once you've got a problem and if you linguistically guide them, when they go back to it, it's not the same.

When you keep saying linguistically, like give me an example. Words. So like using like inside a problem, outside of your control, when you're above it instead of feeling like it's on top of you anymore. And it's a, I'm not completely au fait with it yet, because I'm still learning advanced linguistics with him. And you can see the changes in people. They start to question or consider it.

And I think a lot of hypnotherapists don't listen. I listen intently and think, that doesn't make sense. I mean, you do in your work. You have to listen to people and to get where they're coming from and then ask them questions. When you start questioning the belief of what their problem is,

it changes. Hmm. Interesting. What did you experience when you first started doing it? Well, I did it after I'd lost the fight, which we were on about earlier. And I were a bit sceptical,

but I knew Vinny did it. I knew he was good at his job, but I've always thought I'm that strong in my own mind I don't ever need anything like this but then when I was having the rematch with a guy who just beat me and not only beat me

smashed me to fucking pieces first time that had ever happened and we were getting brought to England and we were fighting in one of the biggest stadiums in England in front of everyone so I thought why not go use Vinny and try and make my mind as strong as my body's going to be? You can't ever be over-prepared.

So I thought, I'll just try and do both. What was the difference? What was the adjustment? So I trained as hard as I always do. I trained the same for every fight. But I went to see Vinny and we talked about it in the last one. We instilled some code words into my head. One of them was warrior.

And my coach and a few others were saying that in the corner. And Vinny were commentating at the time and I remember him saying in round two I heard him out outside the ring he went oh Liam Harrison's a warrior and I remember in that flat just like triggering I didn't he stopped me in the first fight because he smashed my legs to pieces he hurt me every time he hit me in the second fight I didn't get hurt once he was like I was in a bit of a trance state really because my concentration levels were just like through the roof and everything just worked perfectly for that fight it was a weird to explain how it worked but it did clearly we did some work recently as well um because he

felt like he was having a dip in his in his whatever way he was thinking so we did some work recently and even said the other day that he's getting his best performances now because he can you can forget it And you know and well mindset is so important to anything that's difficult Like you you go into it with like a wishy-washy mindset and you're not gonna have your ultimate performance the best performance I mean, yeah, yeah You know, that's all that's where he's going. That's where he's going and that's it your body can scream and he's his instagram is so fucking important for people i love it i love it it's so important for people because you realize that like he's he's saying these gems of wisdom but he's actually doing it yeah you know he's doing it he's not just some there's a lot of

these motivational speaker guys out there that can go fuck themselves because all they're doing is like giving you motivational speaking but they're not doing anything he's up there doing it he's running in front of the camera yeah it's fucking class i love it yeah i mean he's telling you stories about like mental toughness while he's running there's something undeniably effective about that he's better than somebody just stood on a stage saying oh we'll do this this and this and then this will happen and he's there doing it in front of you. It's evidence. Yeah.

People need evidence. And his book is excellent, man. I've read it, and the audio book's good as well. Fuck, the audio book's even better than the book because you get to hear him talking about each individual chapter, like on these unreal stories in between the chapters. Like the book is great, the audio book is better. Imagine him hunting you. You've got no fucking shelter you just find me you found me

he's never gonna get tired it's gonna keep going like t1000 but it's just important to know that there are people like that out there that are going to take it to the top level of human physical potential you know and that's what he's doing and that's there's a lot of those guys out there like my friend cam haynes like the courtney dowalter there's people that can do shit that like you have this idea of like physical limitations everybody does well they lead ways don't they mean roger bannister did it didn't he he broke the four minute mile and then everyone else started doing it yeah but what i like about this show and like about you is you you give people understandings of things that you wouldn't really look into, like David Sinclair, Matthew Walker, you know, these people that give us information. It's invaluable, man, to us and to everybody else.

Well, to me, too, man. I'm very fortunate that I have this platform. These guys are willing to come and tell us about these things because it's just you could learn so much that just was not available to us when we were kids. It didn't exist. There was no there was no outlet like we have now with podcasts.

Yeah, Elon Musk all them guys. It's incredible. There's so many people that are thankful to you for what you do. Like me, us,

thank you. I'm thankful to them. I'm thankful to you guys too. I enjoy this conversation as well. Thank you, sir. We did it all right thank you gentlemen um anything to say anything plugs anything just to plug uh the watchers group

that have been uh had a seminar of mine the other day zach and zach foldman and uh chase hero and look at working with them at the moment uh they're two guys in this mindset yes yeah the mindset training thing what's the url going to be and when's it going to be live? They just have a watchers group. No, your thing. Oh, mine, I apologize. The Showman Solution. And when is that going to be available? That's going to be available when this show is finished.

Right at the end? Yes. Okay. My website's up and running now. If anyone wants to learn any Muay Thai, it's an online course. Over 300 technique videos on there. LiamHarrisonTraining.com Beautiful.

Thank you, gentlemen. Thank you, Joe. Have fun, Tom. Thank you, mate. you Joe. Fun times. Thank you mate. Cheers. Thank you Joe.