The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #85 with Max Holloway

Episode Date: December 18, 2019

Joe sits down with former UFC Featherweight Champion Max Holloway.

You know took yoga Hung out my dog and now we're here. All right. We're live. What's up, Max? How are you brother? Good to see you Yeah, how you doing? I'm good. Finally here I've been asking for about I think uh, what 17? 17 fights straight We tried to organize it a couple of times but Mayman you live on an island in the middle of the ocean. I know it's little it's a different thing you know logistically i know i know but uh we you finally made it happen yes you made it happen you man i can't wait so how you doing man everything all right everything good walking good boy walking great yeah you look totally fine oh yeah i was i told you guys i was

i had an apple party after the fight. I was booging. I was doing the party slide. Chain Smokers, they was actually at Excess. Well, they had their concert thing at Excess. And they brought me up into their booth. And I was trying to get him to let me jump on and off the stage with him. Because he looked like he was having fun. That's amazing, man. Because your left leg, it looked like, at least fun that's amazing man because your left leg it

looked like at least during the fight it was getting busted up yeah yeah you know it's yeah it is what it is you know i i heard i saw i got to watch the fight a little bit over you know and uh but you're not talking about the fight a lot of people actually about the press conference when i said i thought i won I think so people I uh people is taking it uh taking it the wrong way a lot of his fans take the wrong way it's like when I was in there in my mind I thought I won because I when you think about it I I thought I was landing more damaging shots to the head and body you know I know leg kicks he was landing here and there but I didn't think it was too much until after i saw whatever happened you know but

at the end of the day you know it's like it's what i said i just my my legs fell fine i went to the after party i danced and and if if i put it in this way you know out of my all my title fights this is the least damage i took in a title fight and i lost my tap belt so you mean like to the face into the body yeah to the face into the body yeah to the face into the body you know and he hit me some of the i know he was landing some leg kicks and and some um some was power and but then a bunch of other ones i i thought so it was like you know i didn't know that there's it was landing that much to that to that extent and um then again this is uh it's not a street fight you know it's not street fight. It's a game, and he helped point me in the game.

So good for him. Yeah, it's an interesting game when it comes to scoring, right? Because what should be scored more, punches or leg kicks? It's hard. Leg kicks are damaging. They mean a lot. Fights have been stopped on leg kicks. But Barboza, I think, stopped two people with leg kicks. Yeah, two people, I think, yeah.

Yeah, but it's just, it's, I think the system sucks, the 10-point must system. It's boxing system. It's not our system. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We shouldn't have that system. Yeah. We should have a more comprehensive system that recognizes everything. And then sometimes it's weird, too, you know, especially, like, not technically my fight,

but, like, other fights, like, people, you see people who stick and move nice and this and that. And just because the guy is walking forward, he's winning the fight. Right. And then like you see them get into, you see people get into scuffles. And then one guy bounced back. It looks like he's retreating, but he's actually not. He land more in the scuffle. And since he bounced back, they're like, oh, I think that guy that was staying there was actually winning the fight

so it's just it's what you said it's just super like you know some guys like they favor a little bit more thing than another thing and uh I think there's a real problem

with judges not even being martial artists that's why that's a giant problem that's why Burt Watson say don't be bitching at judges don't be making crap but that's easier said than done

it is especially when you're fighting the best guys in the world, too. You can't expose yourself. It's not smart. It's not a smart way to fight. The way you're fighting is the best way to fight. But the judges should at least have some martial arts experience.

And I know there's a bunch of them that have never even fucking trained. They just took some courses. I was talking to some people that was behind the scenes. They came from the D.C. It was the D.C. event in front of Arizona, yeah? And some of the commission there at the D.C. event was like, I heard, was crazy. Some people was just not like... They didn't know anything?

Yeah, not supposed to be there. I was like, what is going on? And to put it in perspective for people out there, it's like, you know, it's all I do for a living. It's all I do. So to me, I got to put the trust in someone that doesn't know what they're doing. When I'm over here sacrificing my time, it's kind of hard. I'm not talking about my fight again.

I'm just talking about other people. Yeah, anytime there's a bad decision. It's just tough. It's horrible. It's horrible, and they don't do anything about it. And there's people that have put in bad decision after bad decision you know it's just it's just tough you know it's horrible it's horrible and they don't do anything about it and there's people that have put in bad decision after bad decision and then you see them still uh being listed as judges and you're like this is crazy like i want to ask them questions i want to show them a video i heard that the last time i was inside right before i did my uh press conference and stuff i heard you go who is judging this we need to fire this? We need to fire everyone.

They do need to fire everyone. You know what they should do, man? They should hire ex-fighters. They should. They should. I talked to Frank Trigg before he moved off of Hawaii. And he was trying to become a ref. He's reffing.

And now he finally got to Bellator. I think he just did ufc for the first time a couple a couple weeks ago a couple months ago and i was telling him like why would they not just let you put in there there's like oh you there's a time system you need to do this i was like you like fought for a championship belt in the highest organization what what who in the right mind is being like yeah this guy's's not qualified. I would want you sitting or judging my fights. You know what I mean? 100%.

Just because someone, okay, maybe they did take a class, but it's like license. Just because you pass your license test doesn't mean you should be allowed to drive on the road. You know what it's like? It's like passing a written test but never having driven a car. Exactly. That's what it's like. Here's your driver's license. You don't even know how to fucking hit the gas.

You don't know how much brake you should apply. When you see some of these people that are judging, you know they've never done anything. They don't have any idea what's going on. They just have a cursory understanding of fighting. And that's not acceptable for the highest level of the game. There's so many

ex-fighters that would make amazing referees or judges. I don't have much of a problem with referees there's a lot of great referees but there's so many people that could be great judges there's so many super fans out there that have been training their whole life that just they're really really into the sport and a lot of these fans these these judges rather than not even fans yeah they're just people that are doing it for a job. They're getting a paycheck.

And then getting to watch the fights for free live, front row. And they don't even care. They're not even fans. It's ridiculous. Yeah, it's crazy. It's funny. Yeah, like you said, the fans, I actually think of, what is his name? I'm brain farting right now.

Joe, the old matchmaker. Joe Silva. Joe Silva. Joe Silva, yeah. I actually think, have you ever heard his story of how he got to work for the UFC? Yes. That's when you were saying, like, they're super fans. Like, he was one of the guys. He was a super fan.

He shot. Hey, Joe Silva was the, guys, shout out to Joe Silva. Shout out to Joe Silva. He was the first guy that actually, like, shot his shot. Yeah. He told me how he – I heard his story. He told me his story in person. He wrote down – he told me what he did.

He wrote a letter to UFC, this and that, and what he think he should change, this and that. And then they called him up and be like, hey, would you like to come on? We like your ideas. The dude got set up. Like, wow. Joe Silva is the first shot shooter, guys. Yeah. Well, he's a legit fan. I mean, still is to this day. He made guys. Yeah, well, he's a legit fan.

I mean, still is to this day. Yeah, yes, he is. He made enough money. He retired. He's a smart man. He just said, fuck this. I'm out. I don't want to work like this anymore.

Why? You just got, you just, you was a part of the business when they got bought out. You might as well chill with your family, you know? Yeah, he just decided to just lay back, build himself a nice house. I know, even that, like, what his story does so mean, like, there's, there's like saying like, oh, yeah, you got to move here, this and that. He's like, nope, I can do it from home. I was like, Joe, you are a boss. Joseph is a boss.

When he's talking to me, I'm like, my gosh, Joe, you're a boss. It's a hard gig. It's a hard gig setting up fights. Well, MMA fights in particular because guys get injured so much more than in boxing. In anything. Yeah. That's one thing that I like talking to people or telling people. They're like, oh, there's no difference of this and that and blah, blah, blah.

I'm like, guys, boxers, MLB, NBA, NFL, they have the set schedule. They have a set schedule. Like, I can sit down. LeBron can sit down before the year. Right when they announced their first regular season, he knew exactly where he was going to be the whole year. Boxers do the same thing. They know exactly, we're going to fight this month and this month. They don't know the opponent's name, but after a fight, they already kind of know who they're fighting, you know?

MMA fighters, they're like, don't you know what's going on? I was like, I have no clue. Right. Well, how about when you Almost fought Khabib Yeah For the title 10 days

On super short notice Or 6 days How much did you weigh When you were trying to get down to 55 And they stopped you When they stopped me What did you weigh When you started

I was When we got the call When I got there When I checked in I was already The day before Weight check I'll tell you what I was, the day of the weight cut.

I was 170. 170, the day of the weight cut. And I'm not going to tell you the exact number I was before they stopped me, but I was like in reach. Like I was right there. Why did they stop you? They came in the room. They looked at me. They said, oh, yeah, you don't look good.

Yeah, we're cutting it. I was like, what? I was like, I look good yeah we're cutting it i was like what i was like i feel good let's do it you know it was right there and then uh that's just what they said you know and it is what it is they had a real problem with new york in the beginning i mean especially there's a lot of people that just weren't prepared for mma yeah i mean i i mean like i mean the new york cards period don't have a lot of luck at all every time you see when something happened and i told and then i heard them that they're going back to brooklyn whatever New York cards, period, don't have a lot of luck at all. Every time you see one, something happens. And I told, and then I heard them, they're going back to Brooklyn or whatever.

Where is Tony fighting? Tony and- Brooklyn. It's fine. Why? Why not just fight in Vegas or something? I don't know. They had a Brooklyn card already scheduled, and that was a good fight, and so they put

it in there. Yeah, I know, but- God, you got to keep Tony away from cables the day before the fight.ony just someone needs to just be around him all the time just ready to catch him just please man this is the fifth fucking time they scheduled this fight hey you know what they say right it's a great fight though i love the fight i can't wait i'm excited i'm excited stylistically i think he's the best guy that that khabib's ever faced because he can fight off his back yeah he's a guy that doesn't survive off his back he attacks off his back and he's a guy who just he just he throws a lot of weird things from weird places like you it's just it's hard like people don't understand

it like it's it's very hard when you fight someone weird and awkward, even Spartan, because you try to get something and then he's like, bang, hits you with an elbow. But his head is by the ground. It's like, what are you doing, Tony? How did I get hit by an elbow? I thought your head is over here. He's the most unorthodox, high-level guy ever. Yeah, he's good.

He's real good. He's real good. At his level, though, because I consider him a world championship caliber fighter. For sure and his at his level i don't know of anybody that's more unorthodox than him for sure it's fucking cardio man his cardio is crazy off the chain off the charts i don't i've never seen anybody with cardio like that i don't know what the fuck it is do you think that's genetic i to some extent i yeah 100 i think you gotta have it everybody keep telling me oh you gotta it's just like knockout power. You can't build it, but some people just have it.

I was talking to my friends. I got a little Japanese friend. He's with me on my corner all the time, my wrestling coach. He helped me out a lot, Michael Nakagawa. And I tell him all the time, this dude is a little 125-pound, 115-pound guy. Pretty much a little girl, I tell him all the time. I'm like, you're a little 125 pound, you know what I mean, 115 pound guy, pretty much a little girl, I tell him all the time,

I'm like, you're a little girl, but, if anything, like, there was this one time, we was out and about, and this guy was just acting crazy,

this is, this is like, a couple, a couple years back, and I was at the UFC, but we was at one of the UFC events, I forget what event it was at, but we was doing something, it was a big thing, and, and we was at a party, UFC events. I forget what event it was at. But we was doing something. It was a big thing.

And we was at a party. And then this one Asian dude was just like getting all crazy. And people's faces like crazy drunk. And blah, blah, blah, getting in his face. And I told, this is how hard my friend punches. I tell him, I tell him, guy, I would crack him. But I'm scared I'm not going to put him to sleep. I know if you punch him, he's going to go knock out.

So you go hit him. And he wouldn't hit him, though. He wouldn't hit him, but he punches so hard. He's the smallest guy in our group. Even one time, we was at home in Waikiki walking, and there's this drunk guy. And there's five of us, and he's the smallest guy in the back. And we're all walking in almost a line. And this big guy, he slips everybody everybody little guy laughs he bumps him hard and i look at him i'm like

like what are you and then he goes the little guy he goes he turns to my friend he's like what and i go my friend goes what and he just and then he's like oh oh okay nothing he walks away and i told him and then i told uh we was hanging with this new guy. This guy was just hanging out with us. I told him, that is the wrong guy to bump into. Because out of everyone here, he'd probably one punch knock you out. It's the smallest guy. This is it.

I think it's just genetics. Punching power is definitely a genetic thing. Look at Deontay Wilder. There's no way. There's no way you could teach that kind of power. 200, what is it? 215. 215. And he no way. There's no way you can teach that kind of power. 200, what is it? 215. 215.

And he's cracking. Flatlining people. On the forehead. Yeah, but he's like killing people. You know, this is not guys who's getting flash KOs. Wilder is different. He could wake up. You know what I mean?

But everybody else he hits, they're like. They go flying. Did you not see that video they made of his last fight that Tussauds came out? Yes. But that's what it's like, man. That's what it's like. When he hit Ortiz on the fucking forehead, man. You hit him on the forehead.

You hit him in the chin. That's how you know you hit hard. You just hit different. Yeah. But he does it to everybody. When you look at his record record he's got 40 knockouts and 42 fights one decision and one draw 40 knockouts and 42 fights and then when you look at it he's like he's huge he's skinny yeah you know like very thin like you would be like he's

a skinny dude you know and like if you looked at anthony at Anthony Joshua... You would think he would knock out people. He would knock out everybody. Especially before he fought Ruiz the first time. He was super... He got a little more lean after the first fight. But yeah, he's big. Do you remember Frank Bruno? Frank Bruno.

Frank Bruno was a boxer from England. That was one of the biggest guys ever. And Mike Tyson fucked him up. He was this big, giant dude, though. He was so big like a little bit like a bodybuilder you thought he would just flatline people and Mike Tyson just smushed him. Mike, see Mike is genetic. Yes, that's genetics. Did you not see the video of Mike Tyson showing who what and uh Nagano? Yes.

How to slip like woo woo woo but I was like guy in his 50s come on guy why are you moving like this Teddy Atmos told me that when he was 13 years old Tyson weighed 190 pounds what he brought him to smokers yeah it was true he brought him to smokers

and they would go how old is this kid he goes 13 he goes get the fuck out of here he's 16 he's like I'm telling you he's 13 they would put him in

with 16 year olds because they wouldn't believe him they didn't believe he was 13 you sure you sure you didn't do that from what is that called what uh what is that one movie that one movie that baseball movie benchwarmer is when he's like i'm 13 oh right right no with tyson it's real yeah man it's genetics are there's uh there's him with ingano look at that watch this watch this move he looks like such a elder statesman too you know with his beard yeah yeah and then watching he does his slip thing he does where is his slip oh i think that was a different one that was him was it oh here it is here it is here it is bring it from the beginning put it for the beginning jamie whoop whoop whoop whoop yeah he's showing them angles this guy is a beast

well you know in ghana was thinking about fighting in boxing for real yes and i think i think that's not a bad idea because the the boxing heavyweight division is like it's very good at the very top there's like four or five really really good guys but i think he could murk motherfuckers on the way out and you probably make a shitload of money. I mean... Oh, yeah, definitely. 100%. Now that UFC is getting involved in boxing, I don't think it's a bad idea. Yeah.

But he's got to get past Rosenstreich. Rosenstreich's a scary fucking dude. That thing he did to Alistair's lip, I've never seen it cut that bad before. Oh, yeah. That one with five seconds left? Yeah. Yeah. Crazy.

That just shows you how nuts the sport is, right? Alistair's winning the fight on points, he scoring he's fighting smart and he just just has a mental lapse games are inches seconds millimeters you know just you just cannot you know like every time like that's the hardest thing with of being in a fight you just gotta be on yeah you gotta just keep because there's sometimes like oh i'm just'm just going to do, do, do, boom. Right. Five seconds left. Winning the whole fight on the scoreboard,

he's winning. They showed it. Yep. How sick is that to watch after going that far, you're five seconds away from the final bell, and then you're going home with a fat cut, you probably need like 400 stitches on that lip. Yeah.

Your lip not going to ever look the same. Look at that lip. Look at that picture. That is god damn crazy. crazy that is without a doubt the nastiest fucking injury i've ever seen in this world i mean i almost rather get a broken leg than that oh no no no definitely not almost like anderson's broken leg oh no no look at that though look at me smiling that motherfucker oh my gosh alistair takes a loss you take a loss better than anybody but alistair is right up there it is what it is it's living that's saying though it is what it is it is life it is life it's like every after the fight was

walking around with me and my son the next day. Oh, not the next day. Oh, yeah, it is the next day, Sunday. I'm walking into New York, New York. There's a Hawaiian. I love Hawaiians. I love my Hawaiians. They're the greatest fans in the world. She comes up to me, and she rubs my back.

And she's like, oh, I'm so sorry, boy, and blah, blah. I'm like, for what? She's like, you lost your fight. I'm like, Andy, I'm alive. I didn't die it's okay you know we're gonna get the belt back you know it's just a fight it's one fight

we'll be back but yeah a lot of people talking to me like it's my funeral or something I'm like guys I'm okay I'm gonna be back I didn't take no real damage

I'm just happy that I'm not injured and out for a long time and I can get back to do what I love and that's punching people in the face so

at the end of the day I'm happy you know like i said i didn't need the belt to be a champion i know i'm a champion the belt was just to let people know that look i'm i'm one of the greatest guys to ever do it you know and my plan is to be one of the greatest of all time and um whoever whoever you guys think it is let me know i'll go knock on their front door right now and be like, hey, let's set something up. Yeah, well, you just need to make some adjustments for a rematch. Exactly. The whole thing was him attacking your legs. Yeah.

He was getting close. It was a smart strategy. Yeah. It was real good. Game of inches, you know? Yeah. He did what he did. Like we said, it's not a street fight.

He did the points. He's nice. You switch better than anybody. You're really good at switching while you're fighting. You switch stances. You switch orthodox. But you were forced at certain times in the fight to fight Southpaw because of the leg damage, right? Not really because of the leg damage.

Because I just felt when I was going Southpaw against him I just felt more like he was he was waiting a lot more like as soon as I went regular it was funny because like I was like I could hear

I could hear his teammate style I could hear his coach as soon as I go I go Southpaw they're not really saying anything and as soon as I switch

back to regular I hear the word Dragon Dragon and Dragon was leg kick I was like oh leg kick's coming. Like a dragon tail.

I don't know what they was calling, but they was saying dragon. It was like a late kick. So I could hear it in there. And I was like, okay, well, let's go southpaw. See what they start calling here. And they wasn't really calling anything. They was just like, you need to punch now or you need to move now. Attack.

So I guess it wasn't really ready for a southpaw, Max, more than a regular. Because as soon as I went back regular, they were screaming dragon like it was religious or something. So it was crazy. It was crazy. What did you think he was going to fight like? What did you think his strategy was going to be coming into the fight? You know, I thought so. I thought so he was going to.

I knew he was going to do that. A lot of feints for sure. You know, I thought he was going to do like how he did Aldo. Maybe live in more against the fence. But I think so he's kind of tripping out how he did aldo maybe a little bit more get me against the fence but i think so he's kind of tripping out when uh he when he got me there and i was able to get off and some some of them um i think so he's tripping out that he couldn't take like he he was gonna i thought so uh they was playing a narrative like they was gonna take me down and ground and pound me and stuff you know so i don't know i don't know what we did i think so

we did good and then he just did better in one aspect with the leg kicks and uh it all added up yeah when i have to watch the fight again but i don't remember him landing a like a real significant punch that had you hurt it was no no not really it was good punches but it was just his leg kick work was excellent though i mean he he did a lot of great work some of the first ones in the first one, some of the first ones was great, was good in the early rounds. But some of the other ones was just like we was super close, and then he would just throw it.

We'd end up getting into a tango, and he would just end with a leg kick just to even touch me. At the end of the day, I was like, oh, I guess that was the game plan, was to leg kick him. Well, you've got to get a rematch. I mean, you are, without a doubt, the most accomplished featherweight champion of all time. I mean, if you look at your career, you beat Aldo twice. You beat basically everybody.

You beat everybody in the division. Ortega, you beat all the up-and-comers. You beat all the veterans. You beat everybody who was there. And so in my eyes, a rematch makes sense. And it's a very exciting fight. It would be a great rematch. It would sell.

Yeah, it's going to sell for sure. Because there's no one really compelling. It's not like you lost the title, Volkanovski beat you, but there's another guy who's been begging and pleading and right there where everybody wants to see fight for the title. Yeah, Volkanovski was that guy. Volkanovski was that guy, yeah. I mean, there's good guys in the division yeah but you've beaten most of the guys like ortega was the big

guy right he was the one that everybody wanted to see you fight because he was undefeated and he would win in such spectacular ways but you you know you've you deserve a rematch i really feel like yeah we see what happens you know i can't wait if they you know i heard a little bit they didn't hit me up yet but i heard dana saying something in australia or whatever but yeah that would be fun yeah and um we see what happens you know i'm just you know how it is and i got this never backed out attitude i don't believe that little motherfucker used to be 240 pounds how crazy is that that that is crazy you know he was tank, man, when he was playing rugby. He was just like a bulldozer.

I don't know how someone that tall is that heavy. That's kind of crazy, you know? Good for him, man. Like an Andrew Ruiz on our hands for a little bit. He wasn't that fat, though. He was just jacked. Huge, yeah. He was just jacked.

He's just huge. You still see it in his legs. He's got giant legs. Yeah, he's still a big boy. He's a tough fucking guy, yeah. He's just jacked. He's just huge. You still see it in his legs. He's got giant legs. Yeah, he's a big boy. He's a tough fucking guy, man. It's interesting to see this city kickboxing gym from Stylebender and Hangman Hooker. Hangman's a bad motherfucker. Yeah, I was a big Hooker fan for a while.

Yeah. For a while. I've been watching him since he was four. When he was in 45, I was watching him. He's a beast. I was like, we're probably going to end up fighting each other when he was at 45 and then he went to 55. And everybody's like saying,

he's a big 45 and I'm in 55. He makes these 55 guys look small. He's pretty jacked. He's huge. Yeah, he's good. I love watching their style. Yeah, he's had one bad fight

where it didn't go his way. That was the fight against Barboza, but he stood with Barboza, which is just a fucking terrible idea for most people. Barboza kicks so goddamn good. he's a he's the fastest switch kicker i've ever seen in my life yeah i've never seen anybody throw a switch kick i never did i always try to i always try like i watch his fights and then i always try to go to the gym and mimic it i'm like yeah yeah yeah i

can't be doing this i don't even know how he can balance that fast. It's a tap. Yeah. He kicks so fast, man. And then when he, like, even sometimes when he would, like, leg kick people and, like, just even switch kick people to the body

and just his foot land, I'm like, yeah, that can't be that hurtful. But when he lands only his foot, I'm like, God, this sucks.

It hurts. It doesn't matter if it's shin or his foot. He could fuck you up with just his foot. Yeah. Well, he's got the first wheel kick knockout ever in the UFC. Yeah.

Against Terry Adam. Yeah. Come on. Nobody's going to forget that. That was crazy. That was the first ever. First ever wheel kick knockout. Yeah.

All those fights. Imagine. And in Brazil. And then the statue after. That was crazy. The way he. He's a beast, man. It's just. It's interesting he's so he's the

most kick oriented fighter i think in the sport because you don't see him beating guys down with his hands no no he all his all his hands is touches yeah touch touch yeah touch whack boom yeah and leg kicks and sometimes he chose like two leg kicks he chose so fast his kicks his kicks is like his jabs yep yeah but then they they it's like jabs, but they hurt like shirt rides. Yeah. I mean, he stopped Dan Hooker with a punch to the body, but that was because his body was brutalized by those kicks. That was the left body kick, right?

Yeah. He wasn't. He switched kicking him first. He was switch kicking him. He hit him with spinning back kick to the body. Didn't he make Felder too, like pee blood or something? Yeah. Like Felder said.

Him and Felder had two wars. Two wars. Yeah. Two. Yeah. Crazy. Yeah. Crazy. Felder too like P Blood or something like Felder said him and Felder had two wars two wars crazy he's yeah he's a really interesting guy

it's so so many different styles that's one of the cool things about the sport there's so many different ways to do it genetics especially like

look him Mariah Mariah Jose Aldo look all Brazilians guys these guys

fast twitch stupid muscles unfair what are you guys are fast twitch Stupid muscles Unfair Like what are you guys So fast for What did you think Did you watch the Mariah Aldo fight

I was kind I was warming up during it So I kind of got to see Kind of Kind of didn't So I never really watched it Most people are pretty salty On the decision

Yeah How do you feel I didn't like it Yeah I thought Aldo Was pressuring him I thought He

Look he opened up With a switch kick to the head And had Aldo staggering a little I thought Aldo was pressuring him. Look, he opened up with a switch kick to the head and had Aldo staggering a little bit. But Aldo covered up and weathered the storm. And then Aldo started putting the pressure on him. And Aldo started hitting him with big punches and really was controlling the center of the octagon and really pressuring him and being very aggressive.

And then he got taken down the last couple of seconds of the first round, but nothing happened. He just took him down and holed him. In my mind mind that shouldn't mean much that don't mean nothing that doesn't mean anything i i get mad about takedowns period in uh in um in mma because like i don't understand how i can beat somebody up for four minutes and 50 seconds and you you take the last 10 seconds you take me down for the last 10 seconds and you win the you win the round it's crazy like that doesn't make any sense i think so you you have you take me down for the last 10 seconds, and you win the round? It's crazy. It doesn't make any sense. I think so.

You have to take me down, and if you're not going to advance, you at least got to ground and pound me for 30 seconds, 40 seconds to make that a legitimately takedown. I agree. It should be something happens when you go to the ground. For 100%. You got to brutalize the guy or threaten with a submission. It's got to be something. But with Marlin and jose

aldo if they gave that first round to marlin it's on the basis of that high kick some strikes landed but i thought aldo did more and i thought aldo did more in the second round and i thought all i thought aldo won the fight i thought it was close but i thought aldo won the fight i think he was more aggressive everybody's tripping on his wig cut him back be like oh you see how he looked i was like he looked good like aldo just have high cheek He looked good, though. I was like, he looked good. Aldo just have high cheekbones. And then he was leaving his facial hair for all fight week. So people was like, oh, my God, he looks scary.

I'm like, guys, this is how he looks. This is his face. He's bald, too. That doesn't help when you have no hair. People just think you look crazy already. Well, you know, that was the first fight that he ever had a nutritionist for his whole career. That's what I heard. That is crazy. That's crazy.

I told him, like, man, that's what I heard. I heard his meals when he was at 45 was just whatever he wanted to eat. Like, he felt like eating whatever he wanted to, and he did it. I'm like, yeah, that's why this dude is one of the greatest of all time. He's an animal. Well, he ate whatever he wanted, and then he just drained the shit out of himself. Yeah, exactly. But he had some times during his career where people didn't think he was going to be able to make 45 anymore.

He was going to have to go up to 55. So then to see him down at 35 was kind of crazy. But what I saw, when I saw him, when he was posing and getting ready, I saw muscles. Yeah. It wasn't like he was drawn out. Yeah, like drained. You see some guys when they're just they're making a bad wake up they just look like shit yeah he just looked ripped no he looked good he looked real good you know even when i uh because i saw him uh what did what did i see him

ultimate media day or or whatever early in the week we i even worked out me and him had the same workout room for one of the nights and we worked out together and uh when i shook them i i you know i shake hand you put it in a hug first thing i go back to my god i was like that heart is a rock he's gonna make weight when you when you're that hard and you have muscle it's much easier to cut water right when you touch someone they soft it's like yeah my man i don't know how you gonna do this weight cut but good girl you know may peace be with you people don't think that right i mean uh we had uh it's it's it's a we had a conversation about that with um the fuck is his name that uh it wasn't dolce it was the other guy i'll remember his name in a minute lock Lockhart? Yes, thank you. George Lockhart.

Sorry, George. It's the weed. I blame the weed. But Lockhart was saying that big muscular guys, it's easier. It's easier. You can suck water out of someone who's muscular because his muscles are going to let go of water. But if you got fat, fat is going to hold on to everything. That's why you fat. To be honest Yeah you're holding on to everything

You're holding on to whatever Goes in your body Like holy shit What is this Let's just hold on to it Muscle is like Once something bad Like muscles won't even hold on

Hold on to something bad If you eat sugar And you're so muscular You feel sick It's funny how different guys look On the scale Versus the next day. Like, Lombard

was a good example. Like, when he would make 170, he looked so much smaller on the scale and the next day he'd be like, fuck, is this the same guy? Because his muscle, yeah. All muscle.

And then muscle wants water. So when you put water into that bad boy, my gosh, you look like a balloon. Carb up, swells up. You know Lombard's fighting bare knuckle boxing now?

No. I didn't know. Who are you fighting? I think he's fighting Joe Riggs. What? I think he's fighting Joe Riggs in a bare knuckle. Bare knuckle boxing is weird.

It's gangster. It is gangster, but it's weird how popular it's become. Yeah, it's crazy. And it's nuts to me. I think MMA fighters, we do much more better than professional boxers inside of it. Because professional boxers, like MMA fighters, we're so used to the small four-ounce gloves that the certain slips we know don't work already.

Like, when you watch and you see a professional ex-boxer go to that bare-knuckle thing and they try to do their shoulder rolls and stuff, it don't work because no more of the glove, you know? Like, the glove, the little half-inch of the glove would, like, bounce off and work. But now it's just coming straight to you and ba-com! And you just see people's eyes just eyes is gold you know it's crazy yeah there's certain techniques like floyd mayweather would employ that just would never work with no gloves no never work and you can kind you can kind of fight in the clinch too right with

bare knuckles so yeah yeah you can clinch you can clinch you can clinch and punch from inside the clinch you know other things kickboxers the same deal you know you watch a lot of the top level kickboxers they're fighting like this yeah they're like covering up yeah because we can you can even when you go around like you might not get the full glove you know i mean but now there's that the extra pad is it's not there anymore so you think you're going to block it it's coming right through yep yep yep it's interesting what would you think if mma no gloves? Would you like that? Ah, man. I got little small tiny hands, so I don't know.

I think it'd probably screw up my knuckles. I hurt my thumbs almost every fight. So, I don't know. Did you hurt this fight? Before the fight, every fight is just a nagging injury. You know, so we always take care of it, this and that. Do you have to tape it any differently? Not really, but I love taping my thumb like a boxer. That's the best feeling when you just got something holding.

Because when we do train, we're in boxing gloves anyway. So you always feel something there anyway. So when we go to the fight night, it's just kind of weird if I don't tape my thumb. I tried not to tape it one time. I was like, yeah, no, I got to tape it. Do most guys tape their thumbs or no? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

I think it's just preference. Personal preference. Did you watch the Colby-Usman fight? Yeah, I watched a little bit of it. A little bit. Not the whole thing. What did you think? I thought it was crazy.

Crazy fight, right? I thought it was crazy. That was a wild fight. I like what you said, you know? Even though, like... Even though Colby talked like that Most guys that talk like that Act like him Can't fight

He can't fight He can fight He tricks you He does He tricks you into thinking he sucks He's wearing a cheap suit He's carrying around Donald Trump Jr.'s book He's wearing a MAGA hat

His suit costs $3 Is that on the same page? He's on the same page He's not reading He's not reading that fucking book I mean He's Look

I give up I give it up to that guy for a lot of reasons. First of all, his back was against the wall. The UFC was telling him they're going to cut him after this fight with Damian Maia. They don't like his style. They think he's boring. They literally told that to him. So he goes in the ring after the fight, calls Brazilians a bunch of filthy animals, says a bunch of crazy shit.

And the next thing you know, he's got this fucking character. Oh, yeah. For Joe Rogan. We were making fun of his suit. And next thing you know, he's one of the most popular guys in the fucking sport from talking shit. And that was only three fights ago, man. It was a massive adjustment.

Yeah, it's crazy. Smart. Yeah, it is. And at the end of the day, if people ask me, oh, how do you feel? Like, he came out and said that it was like a stick, you know. I was like, oh, sure, whatever it is. I just told people, like, it's him. You know what I mean?

Like, it's not me. Why am I bothered? Why are you guys getting bothered by it? Like, let him do it. Let the guy water his own. Like, he's digging his own grave Let him go dig it You know what I mean

He got to live in it now You know like Now he got to live in it Like I think it's at the Fighter panel They asked Oh what do you

Why did you laugh When you found out That he outed himself I was like Cause it's a storyline You don't see these WWE guys Going around and be like Yeah this is just fake

No they They keep their storyline Until they go out And then they change it. Well, we kind of outed it first. Yeah. We outed it first. Me and Brendan Schaub outed it first.

Yeah, but then you- We told the whole story. La-tee-die, brother. You know what I mean? I would text you and be like behind the scenes, like, Joe Rogan, guess what? I hate you. And that's it. That's all I'll leave it at.

That's it. And then when it comes back, I'll be like, I don't know what Joe Rogan- Joe Rogan is a liar. I would start making lies. Joe Rogan don't even smoke it. That's all I'll leave it at. That's it. And then when it comes back, I don't know what, Jorogun is a liar. I was talking about making lies. Jorogun don't even smoke weed. That's fake. He's smoking just regular grass, guys. You heard it here first on JRE from Max Holliday. He's just smoking regular grass, guys.

Oh, that's hilarious. Look, man, we haven't had a guy that put on a character like that before. He's the first. Really. Yeah, he is. Chael Sonnen a little bit. Yeah. Chael Sonnen a little bit.

He kind of put on a little bit of an act like that, but Colby took it to a whole new level. I mean, the suits. And he's adjusted it over the years. Because if you go back and look at the beginning of it, he used to wear nice suits. He was wearing a very nice tailored suit, really expensive. Now he's wearing the cheapest shit that he could buy. Like blue and orange. He's on purpose.

You know he's doing it on purpose. He's wearing cheap suits. It's fucking hilarious, man. It's hilarious. It's terrible. And it was a good goddamn fight. It was a good fight. It was a real close fight. Got 50K.

It was 3-3. On two judges' scorecards, they had it three and one. So three rounds to Usman on one judge's score, three rounds to Colby on another judge's scorecard. Yeah, it was that goddamn close. And two and two with the last judge. This is another example. That would have been crazy. It's crazy.

But this is another example why we should have more judges. We should have more than three judges. How much does an Olympic do? Olympic boxing? I don't know. I think they have eight. That would be perfect. And then they take whatever scores match, like the top five, whatever, and then they balance it.

That makes sense. That makes sense. Eight's a good number. Nine would be a good number because nine would be like a tiebreaker. Yeah. You know, like if you had five one or four one way, four the other way. I feel like three's ridiculous. Like why do you only have three?

You know the judges suck already. So why do you only have three people that suck? If anybody can change the sport, you can. I've tried, man. I've tried to eliminate weight cutting. I've tried to. I've tried. I've talked to these guys.

I've talked to Ari. I've talked to Lorenzo. I i said let's get rid of weight cutting get rid of it do what one fc is doing use hydration tests make everybody fight their natural weight open up weight classes make a bunch more having two weight classes between 185 and 205 is fucking bananas you got a 20 pound yeah we yeah we could yeah i think so we need to open weight yeah and then even like um uh one of the most weight things that i hate is like i don't understand why the champion and the challenger of the champion need to make 45 and then everybody else get the pound allowance yeah i'm like that's backwards like the champion and the challenger should have the pound allowance and everybody else need to make the weight.

Right, right. Right? Am I not right? Or you just be like, and if you want to give the champion more love, you just be like, look, champion needs to come in at 46 and the challenger come in at 45. That's just how it should be. I don't know. If you're going to cut all that weight, we know you're going to fight for five rounds. Give him an extra pound.

Yeah. But I feel like hydration tests are the way. to fight for five rounds. Give him an extra pound. Yeah. But I feel like hydration tests are the way. Hydration tests is cool. I think it's cool. I know a couple guys in the 1FC and stuff, and they do it that way. That's super dope. I bet you could feel better. I bet you would feel better.

And you just walk around and fight. But it's crazy because if we do do that, people are just going to try and find a way to finesse it anyway. I wonder what they do in 1FC to prevent that. I mean, apparently they haven't had an issue with that. They test people. They make sure that you're not dehydrated. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I don't know.

I have no idea. They find them what you weigh. They find what you weigh in camp. That's what they should do, just show up like one day. Hey, Max, what's up? Hey, get on the scale, bro. You're like, oh, I just ate cake. I just had ice cream. I ain ain't max i'm his brother what are you talking about he's at home i think what's the heaviest you've ever gotten the heaviest i ever gotten uh i don't know i got

we in hollywood i can't be telling you my way we're not hollywood this is hollywood no this is chatsworth we're pretty damn close where's the valley bro we're pretty close if you had a guess if i had to guess 180 probably 180 yeah 80 85 probably 95 90 that means 90 that means one it might mean 200 210 who knows You guys really think I over here Putting on an act Calling out DC DC You are eating

Everything I want to eat You know who the real Money fight is DC It's me I'll fight your ass And then eat you Then battle you To an all you can eat buffet

You let me know That is man on the planet Right here The dad is man on the planet right here. The daddest man on the planet. That is hilarious. There's never been a badder motherfucker on the planet with a body like DC. Never.

Never. Never ever. Because usually those guys are journeymen. Usually there's a lot of good fighters that are built like that, but they never really get to be like world class, world championship. The world class champion that did what he did. Yeah. And continued to do what he's yeah and do it and continue to do what he's doing yeah man look when he fought stipe he had a big old belly he's still cracked i tease him all the time i bought i bought it i bought you like this you can't be using the tights

bro you gotta bring your shorts up come on use some board shorts you can't be using these tights i get i tease about that i the time. I love that guy. I love that guy, too. What do you think is going to happen with them? I wonder if Stipe is going to be... Stipe apparently is injured. And he's having a hard time recovering. They're trying to do a rematch, but he's got an injury. Even if it's not a rematch, are they going to move on from Stipe or no?

Listen, everybody's scared of Francis. Nobody wants a piece of that dude. They're like, fuck that. Fuck that noise. Yeah. DC told me. Yeah. They offered him Francis. He's like, fuck that.

I don't want nothing to do with Francis Ngannou. No thank you, sir. He was like, I'm here for Stipe, and that's it. He goes, I'm in the end of this. I got like one or two fights left in me. They got to make sense. And he's not interested in that, which if I was in his corner, I'd be like, thank God in the end of this. I got like one or two fights left in me. They got to make sense. And he's not interested in that. Which, if I was in his corner, I'd be like, thank God you're thinking this way.

Fuck, that guy's too scary. He scares the fuck out of me. He's fast. He's fast as fuck. He's super fast for how big he is. Super fast as fuck, and he nukes dudes. When he hit Alistair with that left hook. That was crazy.

Yeah, that was in yeah that was that that was on that was in detroit i remember that when i was watching that you see you see how his head wiggles in the air before he even hits the ground my gosh how many times has alistair been knocked out like i think a lot it's been a lot but it's it doesn't help that you come from the k1 background you know like you just just getting punched so much. K-1 and pride. And then he was always at, what was it, 185, right? He was always 185, 205 in heavyweight.

Now it's like, come on. Well, he had a real hard time making 205, if you remember. Back when he fought Chuck Liddell, he was real skinny. He's smaller. And once you get past, once you're 185 and up, it's like everybody can knock out everybody there. Yep. And once you, like, and once you get knocked out, your brain is going to just keep saving

you early and earlier, you know? Every time, you know? It's just, once you get hit a certain way, your brain is going to shut off because it's just trying to save itself. Yep. Yep. And there's nothing you can do, you know? That is crazy, right?

There's no fix for that. No fix at all. Because your brain is just trying to protect yourself, you know that is crazy right there's no fix for that once you've been out because your brain is just trying to protect yourself you know like even like i know people who get choked out who got choked out to sleep and now you can choke them out or like easier because the brain is just like the brain the brain is like no yeah i've never seen that with chokes yeah yeah i saw i i know a couple people wow damn that's not good yeah they say that chokes i used to think chokes were a free ride. I used to think, no big deal.

You just got choked out. But now they're saying, no, no, no, no, no. Chokes give you brain damage. For sure. You're forcing your body to do something that it doesn't want to do. You're shutting your brain off. It's telling yourself, look, I'm going to turn everything off before you die. Yeah.

And this is it. Because if you keep holding it, when you knock look, I'm going to turn everything off before you die. Yeah. And this is it. Because if you keep holding it when you knock out, you're going to kill someone. Yeah, you're going to kill someone. So your body just be like, okay, look, I'm turning it off now. So let's just hope you recover. But they're finding CTE in jujitsu players. They're finding it in high-level jujitsu guys. I don't think that It's from choke, exactly

Like I hit my head All the time I hit my head when I'm grappling and stuff Just as much as getting punched sometimes Like sometimes I don't even get punched or kneed in the head Like when we're moving and stuff But when you're doing jiu-jitsu and stuff And like someone tries to take you back

Or snap you down Or you're rolling Collide heads Yeah, collide heads Or you stay on the top and they're bunking. Like you got a wild child under you and you hit your head, you know, or you get their back. You know, some people are wild.

Yeah. Like, like something when they do something, I'm like, when I got a wild child, I was like, boom. Okay. This is how it's going to end. And then we do it. I'm like, look, after you tap mom, like I'm like, look, you got to relax, guy. Take it easy.

You know what I mean? That's all they have, though. If you look at it, this is a cool thing about my team. My coach, he will never, ever let me do a jiu-jitsu tournament. I keep begging him. I'm like, I want to do a jiu-jitsu tournament. I want to do a jiu-jitsu tournament. He's like, no.

He's like, I'll let you go do a boxing match, but do a jiu-jitsu tournament I want to do a Jiu-Jitsu tournament He's like no He's like I'll let you go Do a boxing match But do a Jiu-Jitsu tournament I was like why He's like Cause you see All these top MMA fighters They go to do The knees The gis

Jiu-Jitsu Whatever the tournament is They tear their ACL They tear their shoulder They get choked out They hit their head They get cut Luke

Cut his eye In a fight A wrestling match Yeah In a grappling match Like how You know like Is this freak

Freak stuff happen When you're grappling Well Cub blew his knee out Just this weekend Yeah I heard Yeah I mean he's on a Real high note right now

Just beat Chrome Gracie Gracie yeah And he's also 36 With a family You know so it's like This guy can't afford To take a fucking year off Yeah that's why

He was locked up In a leg lock With Jake Shields Who's at least 30 pounds bigger than him Jake is a big fella And you know They're doing that

Quintet thing Where different weights Will compete against Different guys Shout out to Sean O'Malley I saw him put it on For the UFC team Did you see Kraus

James Kraus Caught King Mo In a standing guillotine No Kraus is really Underrated man Kraus is a beast I like Kra man i like him a lot very very smart guy really nice guy too yeah real nice guy i like him yeah i he was in the workout room too that

week i was like well i thought he was fighting but no he just doing the grappling so that's cool yeah so jake shields tapped out mark munoz and then he got him in the arm triangle and then uh head and arm choke and then he was in the middle of the scramble with Cub. And he had Cub's, you know, leg laced up, like, with a heel hook position. But not, it didn't apply a heel hook. They were just in the middle of a transition moving. And Cub just like, ah! And he just rolls over on his back.

You know better than everybody that once you get there and you go the wrong way, your leg stays there. Yeah, that's Kraus tapping King Moe with a standing guillotine. This guy is a beast. Yeah, grappling is not a safe bet. I can't believe that these guys who are fighting in the UFC for a career would be willing to risk that because you really can get fucked up, man. You really can get really badly hurt. Like jam your finger. Oh, yeah.

You know how many times I hurt my, doing, with my role with jiu-jitsu and my role with kickboxing, I have way more injuries in doing straight jiu-jitsu than in kickboxing training. Really? 100%. Wow, that's crazy. 100%. Well, I feel like it's easier to go light when you kickboxing exactly

yeah yeah yeah yeah cause you can control it you know and nobody wants to get knocked out like in Jiu Jitsu and stuff

it's like it's like oh you can probably put someone to sleep or break their arm but like you gotta be pretty good with your partner

like some guys like you know certain guys like yeah if they get this arm they're gonna fucking take it home I'm not gonna give it to you

oh there's always guys like that that I would hate rolling with. Some guys just fucking, they go so hard. Yeah. And they hurt people. Some guys are hurting. They hurt people. Yeah. Some guys are always hurting.

You always hear, ah! You look over. Oh, it's Mike. It's a motherfucker getting people in armbars. Yeah. It's a, you know, combat sports are, it's so hard. It's wild. It's so hard It's so hard to train correctly

You know Like if everything was great You would You would have full control Your opponent would have full control You guys would spar correctly Everybody would learn and grow You'd have great training

Yeah But it's so hard to find Good training And it's also It's an ego Yeah That's why I love my That's why I love

Love my teammates When I'm getting ready for fights whenever we gotta mimic guys like even though like sometimes it's horrible like sometimes like some guys like you gotta train a certain way and spar me and give me this certain look and they're getting it and they know if they just go back to their normal style they give me more competitive sparring right they still do it i'm, and I tell them after every practice, I'm like, guy, thank you. Don't worry,

when it's your fight, I'm going to take my ass with me too. So, I'm going to pay you back, my friend. What's like the weirdest style you ever had to prepare for? What fighter do you think

was like the most difficult to prepare for in terms of getting ready for their style? I think so, it was, what is his name? Will Ch will choke the one that i started the win streak on yeah he was so tall it's like six four like who do you get ready for like everybody

i know that was six four or something it's like already 200 pounds right 190 pounds 200 pounds you know these guys like stuff so like six four 145 is crazy yeah and it was crazy and then like i remember like going in there and i was like trying And then, like, I remember, like, going in there, and I was, like, trying to hit him, and he's just, like, jabbing me. I'm like, what is going on? Like, how is this guy so tall right now? Like, what is he doing? Like, how is he hitting me from this far?

You know, and that probably was the weirdest one, I think. Well, it's interesting to see long, tall guys and the use of distance. If someone's really good and they're long and tall that is such a giant event like john jones is the best at yeah yeah he's the best super super smart he's so good at using that length though oh yeah he knows everybody out there and then boom when he wants he hits you bum bum and then he does the he does the jujitsu way he's either all the way in or all the way out He's either on you

Or he's off of you He's never ever put himself in stupid positions Where you might get a shot on him I'm really interested to see What Dominic Reyes can do with him Very interested to see He's got to rise to the occasion Because he had some rough moments with OSP

Who also had a real good fight with Jon Jones. A lot of people don't... OSP's a beast. Big, strong guy. Very powerful. Genetics. Yeah, and very powerful. Excellent striking power. Especially with his left leg and his left hand. He fucks people up. He's got a nasty power left kick, man.

But he struggled with OSP a little bit. Particularly in the middle of the fight osp hit him with a good shot and then he knocked osp out he should have got credited for a knockout in that fight because dominic knocked him out like with like two seconds to go and he walked off i mean the referee didn't stop the fight and he's like no you got to get up you got to get up he's like what he he's out man and then the buzzer rang and then they just called it a decision they gave it to him

by decision but the fight should have been stopped I mean it was a knockout that's crazy he knocked him out that's crazy well it's just one of those things it's like

you know the referee's call was just yeah and we see what happens you know yeah we all know Jon Jones is different you know yeah he's a different animal

yeah just different he's the even though when you see him and you see him looking kind of normal and stuff, he just always finds a way. Yeah, he just finds a way. That looking normal is a trick. Trick, yeah. Yeah, like when he takes pictures of himself looking skinny fat.

Don't let that shit fool you. That's John Jones. Even skinny fat will fuck you up. He's so strong, too. I bet. You know, and you want to talk to genetics his whole family is super athletes all of his brothers are super athletes all of them imagine that one guy is the greatest light heavyweight champion of all time the youngest ever to win a world title

in the ufc the other two brothers are nfl superst. What the fuck is in the water at the Jones house? I don't know. That's some serious fucking genetics over there. And also, I think when you grow up with two bad motherfuckers as brothers, you know you're beating the shit out of each other all the time. Especially when you're youngest. Yeah, you're the youngest. You know he was getting it. Yeah, they're all beating the fuck out of each other all the time.

That's probably why he became the fighter. He's like, yeah, you guys go do this shit. I'm going to get you guys back. Yeah, yeah. And they talk shit about each other. And then when they do it, and then a fighter. He's like, yeah, you guys go do this shit. I'm going to get you guys back. Yeah, yeah. And they talk shit about each other. And then when they do it, and then when they come, if I was John, I would just tell them, dude, you're going to tackle me? That shit ain't going to work.

Well, his brother's training MMA, too. Yeah, okay. They train in between. Well, his brother, Arthur, is fucking gigantic. Yeah, I know. That dude's so big. Yeah. You know?

Chandler is huge, too. Chandler is huge, too. Chandler was talking shit about John. If I fought in MMA, I'd fuck him up. They talk shit to each other like that. Yeah, they're brothers. They're supposed to. That's what they're supposed to do.

Yeah, exactly. But then when they go home, I bet you John will be like, yeah, okay, Chandler, but on that contract. I see how much you're making. I'll fight your ass right here. Let's go on GRE to get a fight. It really is a crazy successful athletic family. I'll fight your ass right here. Let's go on GRE to get a fight. It really is a crazy successful athletic family.

I don't know of any other family that has NFL superstars and a world champion combat sports athlete. I can't think of another family like that. That's great. Life's not fair when it comes to things like that. When it comes to genetics, life is not fair. You just got to work with it. You got to work with what you got. When you had that situation happen where, you know, they were running a bunch of tests on you,

they couldn't figure out what was wrong with you, what do you think was going on? You know, what was funny was that July fight. Yeah. When we was getting ready. It was in Vegas, right? We flew. I had to fly to new york to do my media day so from hawaii to new york 12 hours yeah and then we did a 12

hour media and then we went to vegas i think i got to vegas on thursday and then you know i just felt out of it and you're cutting weight at the time too not really cutting weight it was dieting and stuff and like everybody even the water thing it was like why i drink the load of water fight week even what even with even before the fight you know we drink the load of water you know and um at the end day like a couple days passed and it just wasn't going away you know and then what was it like what did how did you feel i could tell i could tell you exactly what it was it's something we consumed you know and like right now not that much people know that i i i left my old management i'm with new management now and uh you know my manager now he's like a behavioral science

guy and uh he's probably like watching this stream right now squirming while i'm talking about it but we got we you know like uh we got stuff going on and we got a bunch of uh i i'm looking to like work on like with lawyers and stuff and we plan on suing somebody so there's what yeah there's a bunch of stuff that i don't i i really can't talk about it that's why he's squirming back there you know i probably shouldn't be talking about it too much but that's what it was something that i consumed and uh like a supplement uh i don't even know if i can tell you so yeah it'll come out in the wash. For sure. For sure. Well, let me know. I will. I'll tell everybody. I'll let you know.

When is this all supposed to be settled out? We'll see. You know, I just left that to him, you know. One of the great things that I love with the team is that, for me, I'm all about keeping the main thing the main thing. And the main thing for me is just fighting and making sure whoever's in front of me, whatever cupcake it is, I can enjoy that cupcake while they go do everything else for me.

You don't have to think about anything else. Nothing at all. That's beautiful. That's the way to do it. If you're going to have a good team, people that train themselves, I'm like, you can't do that. It's crazy. I talk to them.

I talk to my team. I love the chaos. I love chaos around me a little bit. But then they make it so simple. And it's great, but I kind of like to put myself like, I like when things ain't in order. When you come to my house, I love that my room is messy. People might trip up and be like, you messy room.

I'm like, yeah, but I have somebody come clean it later on. But I just love the chaos. You like being messy? You got to be a little bit messy, just to keep me sane. If I'm too clean, I'm like, things are going too well. Things are going too good.

It's like a fight week. It's like a fight week thing. If something doesn't go wrong fight week, I'm like, nope. This shit ain't happening to me. I'm going to screw something up right now just so we got it. Really? Yeah.

Do you like things going perfect? Don't it feel weird when everything goes perfect? I guess I'm just different. No, that is a different way of looking at things that you like a little bit of chaos. I like a little bit of chaos for sure. I like to know that there's no, like feel like I'm a very very very fortunate person And I like to know that things Are crazy and random

So I can appreciate my fortune You know what I mean That I'm lucky I love that life is so unpredictable And strange Life is like MMA MMA is unpredictable And that's why I love it That's why it's so comparable Life is like MMA MMA is unpredictable The most unpredictable thing

And that's why That's why I love it That's why it's so comparable That's why A lot of people can Kinda compare Like they kinda get it But they don't

You know like Fighting is in their DNA Like Everybody Once they They're like I can't watch this fight This and that

I'm like I don't know what you're talking about Cause this is like a combat Like We're licensed We're like Licensed fighter This is like It's not the gladiator day the people like cutting each other's head off like

no take his life no it's not we're the sport yeah we're past these days you know so at the end of the day it's just when they actually i get i i always uh like my fans a bunch of my fans like old people even moms like moms like moms always ship out like i work out they come they come to the gym they see me work out, they actually talk to me, they're like, oh wow, I didn't think you'd like this

or whatever. I thought you was like this guy, just an asshole and blah, blah, blah because I was a fighter. I was like, no,

we're human beings. What are you talking about? Just like you. Well, people think of cage fighters. They think of the most aggressive, the meanest, nastiest people

in the world. That's the, nastiest people in the world. And that's the weirdest thing about fighters in the UFC. Like they're the nicest people. Like Cowboy Cerrone is one of the nicest fucking people I know. He hugs everybody. He's a sweetheart. He's fucking nice to everybody. He's one of the baddest motherfuckers ever.

He's just so nice. He's amazing. And Gano's a really nice guy. He is. He's super cool. Big, giant giant scary motherfucker Super nice Yeah

Real friendly Yeah You know Cain Velasquez Real nice guy Cain yeah Real nice guy Cain looks the most scary

Him and Gano Oh my god If you saw him and Gano In a Dark alley In a dark alley They're coming to you Hey what you doing

You wouldn't think They're not gonna help you Yeah you wouldn't think They're gonna be your buddies But they'd be like Hey what's up Yeah Well fighters don't have Anything to prove you know a lot most men

that run around in society especially men that don't train or know how to fight they feel like they have a lot to prove they're always puffing their chest out and talking loud and there's a lot of that with men particularly with men who who don't know how to fight but fighters you know if you're a ufc fighter man you've proved it you've already you're you're you don't need to impress people yeah you know you're and also you're fucking tired from training all the time too oh yeah 100 yeah 100 yeah yeah i know exactly what you mean like i tell everybody who always tell me like whenever they like all my friends whenever they bring new guys around or new friends is hanging out they're like asking me about fighting and this and that like they're so like cool like oh what about this what about that

I'm like guy what do you do for work is like construction I'm like well how's your job site don't go in right now you know how's the how's the fork how's the your concrete prices going up I don't know like I like they're like I want to talk about that like exactly I don't want to talk about fighting guys please please don't talk about fighting to me i know but you gotta understand that someone's a fan of you as they're running to you like it's max hallway oh shit max yeah they just want to talk yeah then they just laugh and they find out like look we actually have a lot more in common than fighting you know like let's go freaking go race some cars or something right right there's something fun

yeah what do you do when you're not in camp? Like now, now that the fight's over, you got a chance to unwind for a while. When we, what do you, what's a typical

Max Holloway day like? I just lounge around, wait for many blasts. Maybe if he got, if he's playing sports, take him to sports. He's been liking K1 speed lately, so we've been going racing

or we just got a roller rink in Hawaii. Oh, really? Yeah, like a roller rink, like an actual roller rink. Oh, cool. We had ice skating for everything we just got a roller rink in Hawaii oh really yeah like a roller rink like an actual roller rink not the ice skating we had ice skating for everything

we got a roller rink you guys have had ice skating forever in Honolulu yeah in there in Pro City in Oahu and then

now we got a roller rink and me and Minnie and a bunch of my friends we be going every day we trying to get a roll bounce on and just that and things

stupid stuff and you know like in camp, I really can't do it because I don't want to fall down and break my butt or something or a finger. So now,

now we can kind of play around more. Like, just do fun stuff. Just stuff that like, I don't have to go to the gym too much. Like, and then, I don't feel bad too

if I do miss the gym. Like, my coaches kind of know, like, they kind of let me off for like one or two weeks or so and then, we just hang out.

Nice to just unwind. Oh yeah, go let me off for like one or two weeks or so and then yeah we just hang out nice to just unwind oh yeah go to the beach just chill or just and just being able to just go to the near 7-eleven just get on a slurpee and drink whatever you want right yeah and then a couple weeks after the fight then you start batting and down the hatches again oh yeah getting right getting right back into it training you. And then you start talking to your manager, like, what's next? Yeah, exactly. I let him know. I tell him we plan and kind of have an idea. We kind of have an idea now because ever since we heard Dana talking about it,

but he didn't hit us up yet. What did Dana say? He said at the press conference that he wanted me and Alex in, what is that called? In Australia. In Australia. I just don't know when. Yeah. Beautiful.

Down under. I never went, so that'd be cool. Yeah, Australia's great. I love it there. I've never been to New Zealand. I want to go to New Zealand, but fuck, I love Australia. People are so cool. It's a great place.

You know, it's relaxed, man. There's only 20 million people, and it's a place the size of the entire united states for real yeah i didn't know that there's less people in the whole of australia than in la that's crazy that's crazy that is yeah california as a whole has way more people than australia that's way more yeah but la has more people than australia and and if you have a census those fucking people that have a census, those fucking people that have a census, oh, the census says

there's only 20 million people. Bitch, you're not counting Mexicans. You are not counting Mexicans. You're never going to count them. They come over here, they're sneaking around, they're doing whatever they want to do.

I'm happy they're here, but you don't know how many there are. I'm happy they're here. I'm happy they're here. Hey, there's a... You know where we're going after this?

Dollar Taco, baby Dude, there's a great place over here I'll show you a place Yeah, tell us There's this burrito spot Legit as fuck They got all those Mexican soap operas playing Yeah

Nobody speaks English Fucking Mexican food Totally, you know that sounds good right now Off the charts So good Some horchata Look, I'm a giant fan Mexican food is probably my favorite food

But my point is They don't know how many are here yeah there could be another 10 million yeah there might be 30 million people yeah they have no idea and either way it's more than the whole of australia definitely that's heavy that's heavy but that's why australia is so cool they're not all stressed out yeah you know there's too many people together in one spot. I was driving here today, and some dude cut me off. Just like. Oh, when we was driving there, someone just like. The hair just cut us off.

I was like, whoa. Welcome to LA, baby. They're tense. They did a study once where they set cameras up on one side of the street and then on another side of the street. And they measured the distance between the two cameras, and they measured how fast people were walking from one camera to the next. And through the speed of their walking, they could determine accurately how many people live in the city. So it's a direct response to too many people.

People start moving faster and more aggressive and more tense, and they walk faster. Yeah, yeah. You could literally set a camera up on a block, and within a couple of hours, they could tell you how many people live in that city just by how fast they walk. That's crazy. Crazy. Technology is nuts.

Also, how fast they talk. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah, technology is insane. Thank you, brother. Do you need to blow your nose? Nah, after.

Oh, okay. What happened? He saw me. James saw something I didn't see. Oh. You clever bastard. Smart. Yeah, no, technology is amazing.

But that's just, you know, you live in Oahu? Yeah. There's a lot of people in Honolulu, right? Oh, yes. That's like a million people, right? I live in Waianae. Oholulu oh yes that's like a million people right i live in i live in waianae okay so it's like so if you put if you put a you put that camera you're talking about in waianae like people's less stressful over there they'd be we'd just be

chilling people people be walking slowly be like oh my gosh people's living it over here they're loving it that video of you that they play Where you were A really young kid Where you were just Getting into fighting I was I was I was 15 years old I was

I was 11 grade We shot that When I was 11 grade And That's when MySpace Was popping Wow MySpace

Did you have a MySpace? I had a MySpace And I was That was like Who was in your top 8? My old trainer At the time The guy who My boy My boy got me into fighting, Josh Keanu.

One of my friends, Birdie Bird. This guy named Shyson Lopola. My older brother, my younger brother. One of my cousins, and then another cousin. I remember my whole top eight. And then you got to change to top 16 and 24. And you started getting wild. Started getting crazy. And then people was getting mad when you top eight. And then you got to change to top 16 and 24. And you started getting wild. I started getting crazy.

And then people was getting mad when you top eight. Like, who is one? Who is two? Right, right. And I make the 16 one. I'm like, bro, you should just be happy you're on there. Right, people get mad. Yeah, people was getting mad.

It was crazy. Everybody wanted to be number one. Yeah, but then what's funny about that video, because at the ending, that video, they showed in the countdown, they showed me saying, like, if you're a loser, it's like, if you try, at least you're winning your book, you know, whatever, that loser quote. That quote was like on people's bios, you know, like the bio, you know, you can put a quote or whatever status. And that was people's bios. So I was like, yeah, your boy made it. Because they did it for, they made, that was a national, it won nationally. It it for They made That was a national It won nationally

It was for the STN Awards Oh When the schools come up And they do stuff And whatever It's here in California Whenever they do And I was supposed to go

That was my 11th grade year And I was kind of mad That I wasn't able to work Get it But It was just It was just cool It was just cool

It's got to be weird looking at yourself when you're 15 talking about you know oh yeah what's up brother that's all i was talking it's terrible my my accent was like i still have an accent but i still talk mok a lot but like now that i said what would you say did you talk what? Talk moke. Moke? Yeah, and moke is like, or pigeon. Okay. Is when, like, that's why. Actually, I can talk two languages. I can talk, pigeon is actually a language now.

Is it really? Yeah, they made it a language. Really? Yeah, Google it. How much different is it, like, if you were going to say something to Jamie? Like, if you were going to say, Jamie, hey, Jamie, my car is coming soon. I got to get the fuck out of here. I'd be like, oh, what's up, you fucker? Where's my car? Oh, that's normal. Yeah. What's up, you fucker? Where's my car? coming soon I gotta get the fuck out of here I'd be like Oh what's up you fucker

Where's my car Oh that's normal What's up you fucker Where's my car That sounds like you're from here Hawaii is a strange place Because I feel like it should be It's own country

I really do But I like the fact that It's protected by the United States You know they wouldn't You know Dana Dana had to approve me walking out with my flag. Really?

They wasn't going to let me walk out with the Hawaiian flag. Why? And even with the... In Vegas? When I first started doing it. What? Because that's when the Reebok came out.

We couldn't do no... I couldn't put a Hawaiian flag on my shorts or anything. So I was like, I'm going to walk out with the flag and then Reebok was stopping it. They was like, you can't because it's a state flag. And whatever. It doesn't have to do with anything shorts or anything. So I was like, I'm going to walk out with the flag. And then Reebok was stopping it. They was like, you can't because it's a state flag. And whatever.

It doesn't have to do with anything. Yeah. And then I was like, what? I was like, no, no, no. We could talk to Dana. So you could come out with a, like if you're from Nigeria, you can come out with a country flag? Yeah. Only country flags.

Yeah, no state flags. What? And then Dana White, them, talked to Dana, them. And they told me, they was like, Dana texted me and he said, yeah, that's stupid as shit, kid. Just walk with it. It was like, come on. Let this kid represent Hawaii. Like how you said, because he said, Hawaii is like their own people.

That's their own people. Just let them represent, and then they did it. It's five hours in a plane across the ocean. That shit is barely America. Hawaii is amazing. I love it. It's one of my favorite places to visit. I go there three, four times a year.

I love Hawaii. But that is not America. I love that they're protected by America. I love that they have all the rights. I love all that, but I feel very strongly that they should have their own. It should be sovereign. It's their own thing, man. How the fuck are you going to claim something that it takes five hours to get to on a plane?

It's not even attached. Fuck. I don't know. It's crazy. It's crazy. But again, I love that it's protected by America. I love that we're considered to be from the same country. I love all that.

But every time I go to Hawaii, I'm like, come on, man. This is their own place. People just differ in there. They're Hawaiians. Like, if you go to North Dakota, you can't look at someone and go, oh, that's a North Dakotan. Right? You go to Hawaii, you're like, oh, that dude's Hawaiian. That's a Hawaiian guy. You know?

Polynesian. I mean, there's so many people in Hawaii that they're clearly Hawaiian. You know? 100%. Yeah, I mean, there's no state like that. There's no other state. None. Zero. Where you look at them.

101. 101. Like, even Alaska. Alaska, you don't look at someone. I mean, they have the full beard, flannel coat, fucking moose leg over their shoulder. Maybe that's an Alaska, but you're guessing. Yeah.

He might've moved there. Yeah. It might just be a mountain man and move there. 100%. It's a great place though. There's a thing about Hawaiians that they have like a, when you're on an Island and you're surrounded by ocean, there's like a reverence for nature that Hawaiians have that I really like.

Yeah, you never see my hiker holloways? What is that? Hiker Holloway. Hiker Holloway? Yeah, I got a YouTube. We got a guy named Hiker Holloway. Who's Hiker Holloway? You're looking at the man.

You? You have a YouTube video where you just hike? Hiker Holloway. Oh, look at this. There it is. Hiker Holloway surviving Oh, look at this. There it is. Hiker Holloway surviving in the middle of this. What the fuck is this? Oh, this is the shit you did recently.

Yeah, yeah. You did this in Vegas, right? Yeah, yeah. It's Red Rock Canyon. Isn't that funny that Red Rock, just outside of Vegas, it's like a whole other world. You might as well be on Mars. Yeah, yeah, it is. It looks like Mars.

It's crazy. I just give you survival tips. You know all that stuff. Survival tips Go to YouTube guys And you know I break down plants There's a plant

That you probably see in there What plant? You can't name that shit It's called It's called a ladder tree But you need to go And see stuff Like do you actually know

What you're talking about? You're just talking shit You gotta go You gotta go see it for yourself Okay I'll check it out Hiker Holloway Surviving in the Wilderness All Maxis

Maxis? All Maxis Coming to you live and direct My friend I like it I like it All Maxis Do you surf?

A little bit A little bit You have to surf You're from Hawaii right? Yeah a little bit They get mad at you if you don't Yeah yeah I mean

The countdown people came They shot And they didn't get me on the best waves. I was like, wow. I was like, guys, I caught at least 20 waves, and you guys put the four that I sucked on? What are we doing? They're doing that on purpose. What are we doing here?

They're doing that on purpose. They're trying to say he's not great at everything. Or I could have actually only caught that four waves, and I could be lying. So we don't know what you're doing. I'm going to keep you guys up to you guys and keep it guessing. Surfing is an interesting thing, right? Because you're in their world. You're in the water world.

Oh, yeah. So I know all the big wave surfers and Makua Rothman, them. And they always tell me, or even when I see my friends that's surfing, Zeke Lau, Keanu Singh, and they come up to me and they tell me me or even when I see my friends that surfing seek lao Keanu was saying and they they come up to me they tell me man fighting is so crazy I'm like guy surfing is crazy and they're like no fighting is crazy I was like guy I'm fighting with a human being and I kind of can control what they do at certain times and what I do and this and that like when you're surfing you're fighting mother nature my guy like you

fall off your board and uh if mother nature just feels like I'm gonna go throw you three times you're going to get thrown three times did you see that video that Dana put up on his Instagram recently of the big that was on Maui I think I think that was on Maui that was a big wave that's like a 50 foot wave that dude got smashed by is that guy all right I think he's fine yeah I didn't know i didn't i just saw that i saw it because dana posted i saw a bunch of my surfing friends post that that is the number one nightmare this guy gets on the board and right away he's slipping and just goes down immediately watch this shit here he goes boom look how small the board look

to that to that wave. The weight of that water. And he's got one of those vests on where you pop up, right? Yeah, but see, that's the next thing I was going to bring up. Yeah, you got to pop off this, but I talked to my friend and stuff that does some of this. You don't know if it's going to pop when you go under the water. What if it malfunctioned? Look at him wiping there. Boom!

Jesus Christ. Look how small his board looked to the wall. God, at him wiping there. Boom. Jesus Christ. Look how small his board looked to the wall. God, it looks like nothing. Yeah. That is probably a 50-foot wave. That is fucking crazy. That is terrible. I'm so scared.

And that's a real surfer. That's a real professional. Yeah, that's a contest that just happened. Oh, fuck. So my buddy Kenny He just went to Texas In Waco, Texas They got one of those

Indoor wave things Yeah In Waco, Texas So he said He said it was amazing Oh yeah So he's flying into Texas He gets off the airplane

He's got fucking surfboards Him and his buddies And everybody's going Looking at them What are you doing? What the fuck You're at the wrong place man You took the wrong flight yeah i i i was uh before this fight i was harassing uh kelly kelly slater yeah kelly was at pipe he's hitting me up and he was doing something

so he's uh calling me seeing what i was doing i was able to do him i was in camp so i couldn't meet him and i told him i was harassing i was like i'm coming to the surf ranch he's like let me know we go to the surf ranch i want to surf, I'm coming to the surf ranch. He's like, let me know. We go to the surf ranch. I want to surf. I want to go to his surf ranch. It's so sick. That's up here, right? That's a couple hours from here. Yeah, yeah.

A couple hours from here. His one is in California. Yeah, where is his near? It's near Fresno or something like that? Central Valley. Central Valley? So that's like two hours from here or so? Something like that?

Maybe three or four. Three? Yeah. Yeah, that looks amazing, man. So much fun. That's a way to learn how to surf. Let's go. Let's go.

I can't even wakeboard. Wakeboarding is harder. Is it? Yeah, because you got to get your ass up on the thing at least. This one you can paddle and kind of stand up. Oh, okay. Like wakeboarding is kind of hard. Yeah, it is hard.

But you're an athlete. You can do everything. Come on. With time. Yeah. I don't have time to get into surfing. My fear of surfing Look at this This is the machine

This is so This is him Surfing with this thing Like fucking How crazy is that You can learn how to surf So much quicker this way You know

Because you don't have to Fuck with all the things That everybody else Has to fuck with Like waiting for waves You could Look at that Look at riding that tube

That's so crazy no sharks right good point very good point jamie no turtles no nothing no nothing yeah but it's just you learn it's all about the balance right yeah like learning the balance they say that riding that wave is a little bit different though oh really yeah it's a little bit different from like a normal wave it feels a little bit different like running on a treadmill versus running on the street yeah yeah i think sort of power of the wave is a little bit more different than how it actually feel. Yeah. A little more predictable.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's what it is. Yeah. Fuck. It seems like a good hack though, right? Yeah.

It is a good hack. I would love to. Well, if you're a guy like Kelly or Shane Dorian, someone who really knows how to surf, that's probably a good practice. You just need practice. Yeah. Yeah. Just practice.

Just stay on it. How much do you think it costs to make one of those things? Oh, a bunch. That's got to be probably good practice. You just need practice. Yeah. Just practice. Just stay on it. How much do you think it costs to make one of those things? Oh, a bunch. That's got to be expensive as fuck. It's a bunch. And then you need the motor or whatever that's going to, that thing, it looks like a train is pushing. Oh, it must be.

You see the side? Yeah. You see the side of it? The one that they have in Waco is supposed to be bigger than that even. The one they have in Waco is supposed to be gigantic. What are you laughing at, Jamie? It's not cheap to visit. How much does it cost?

It says customers pay $10,000 to surf for an hour. Oh, gosh. What? That is expensive. This is the ESPN. Wait a minute. What? This is the ESPN video they made about it.

It says you can surf 100 miles inland for $10,000. Kelly Slater trying to get. Kelly Slater getting his money back real quick. To have a lake in the middle of the desert that's clean and safe. Right, but $10,000 for an hour? You could suck all the dicks. Well, there's employees you gotta pay for. Yeah, you could suck

all the dicks. Maybe you gotta heat it so it's not cold. I got some cash. I ain't spending $10,000 to surf for an hour. But if I was a professional surfer, look at the stars who have done it. Eddie Vedder, Tony Hawk, Chris Hemsworth. Chris Hemsworth. Thor.

They had Thor surfing there. Yeah, Thor went there. You think Thor paid $10,000? I bet he didn't. I think Thor just used his hammer and just – He's like, nah, you keep – Hit the water. Boom.

I'm here to surf. Yeah, that's a lot of money, man. Is it really that much? That can't be right. Who knows? That can't be right. $10,000 for an hour? Really? I'm here to surf. Yeah, that's a lot of money, man. Is it really that much? That can't be right. That can't be right. $10,000 for an hour? Really? I don't know.

It was a YouTube, so maybe clickbait. ESPN's YouTube. ESPN's not really clickbait. 100% legit source, but it's pretty good. Well, it must be fucking expensive as shit to run, but it makes sense. I mean, look, it's probably got a crazy motor that powers that fucking thing. I feel like when he was here, though, he said it's private, too. So maybe you have to call someone to turn it on.

That makes more sense. It's open to the public, maybe. That makes more sense. Well, that's probably how they keep people out. Listen, bitch, $10,000 an hour. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I got to go. Yeah, thank you.

I'll call my friends, see what's up. Let me check my... Do you see the way my account is set up right now? All right. I just Googled this just so we know. Okay. General admission tickets are $99 a day or $109 for a three-person. That's a big deal. That's a clickbait.

That was probably for a private – That's a clickbait. That must have been for the private stars were paying that much. Oh, that makes sense. So if you want to use the whole thing just for yourself. That's probably what it was going to be. Okay. That makes sense.

That makes a lot more sense. Sorry, Kelly. He's probably going, what the fuck? We thought we were friends. $10,000. But that makes sense if you want to rent the whole thing. Shit, man. If you want to rent out the roller place, if you want to roller skate for a whole day,

it probably costs you $10,000. No way. I'd be like, no. Come on. If you want it all for yourself for a party, how much do you think, if you said, listen, nobody can come here, it's just me, I bet they would want a lot of money. You think so? Yes, man.

I've rented out places for my kids. It's not cheap, man. You want to rent out a place, like a bouncy house place? Yeah, we're in Hawaii. We're in LA. Yeah, yeah. You're in LA, too. We're in Hawaii, too.

Things are expensive in Hawaii, man. So you might be right. Dude, Lanai is crazy. I just be like, come Come on I know a guy I know Joe Rogan I'll shout you out The next time we go Come on

We'll shout you out We'll shout you out man Lanai We were there We saw strawberries That were like 7 bucks For a little package of strawberries I was like whoa

But it makes sense How the fuck you gonna get strawberries there You see how much milk is there Yeah Crazy It's probably like I don't drink milk anymore But it's probably like $15

But they were all telling The folks that live on Lanai Are telling me like Amazon Prime is the shit Is there? Yeah. Crazy. It's probably like, I don't drink milk anymore, but it's probably like $15. But they were all telling me, the folks who live on Lanai are telling me like Amazon Prime is the shit. They don't have to shop. Everything, they just get, everything's flown into them. Nice. I'm like, oh, that makes sense. Because the planes are coming there every day. Just load up some of your stuff on planes.

You don't have to, because otherwise they have to go to Maui or somewhere, you know, and shop. Yeah, yeah, yeah. A hundred percent. You know? Yeah. Do you think you can live on one of them little islands like that Cause you live where a lot of people live

Like you're in Hawaii Yeah yeah We live a far off one No Hiker Holloway is only It's only a couple hour kind of thing You know what I mean I'm gonna keep it real for the boys

Hiker Holloway is a 10 minute video log For YouTube my guys After that I'm right back to Gad real for the boys. Hiker Holloway is a 10-minute video log for YouTube, my guys. After that, I'm right back to Gadget Holloway. Gadget Holloway? Yeah. Are you into gadgets? I'm into technology, my friend. Are you really?

Yeah. What kind of shit? What are you into? Whatever. I just want, if it's cool. Like phones and computers. Yeah. Video games.

I love playing video games. Oh, man. That's my kryptonite Video games What game are you playing? Well we were playing Quake Champions But I got a real problem What's the matter?

I wanted to get back in yesterday I was thinking about it yesterday We were talking about it I was like one more game I have a very Addicted personality Your PC? Yeah

Mouse keyboard Yeah too hard I tried to do it for me And then I was like Man because I wanted to get into it, but it's too hard for me. And then I get frustrated when people like... Fuck you up? Yeah, I'm like, guy, come on.

Come on, guy. Send me location. Send me location. That might be one of the greatest things that anyone's ever said when someone said they want to fight him. Send location. Send me location. That was be one of the greatest things that anyone's ever said when someone said they want to fight him. Send location. Send me location. That was good. That was really good.

Those little things, those little Xbox and PlayStation controllers, they're not as accurate. No, not at all. Think about a mouse. You can tell. So I was playing, when I was playing Fortnite, I was playing PC before they had to cross play. Now you can play with everybody to your PlayStation 4, but I would just put my controller in. Right. And you could tell, like, when I was playing with the mouse and stuff,

you could tell the difference. The accuracy was way different. Now you use your controller and stuff, the delay is, like, it's very small, but you can feel the delay. I'm like, I turned around already, you know? It's just not accurate enough. And even with your movements, right? Like the movements with the keyboard, especially a mechanical keyboard.

I feel like I can really calculate what I'm doing within inches, centimeters. That's dope. You get real accustomed. I didn't know you was a gamer. I was addicted. That's awesome. Super addicted. I used to play eight hours a day.

I used to play online. I had a T1 line installed in my house. Oh, yeah. That's dope. Oh, yeah. That's dope. Oh, yeah. That's so dope. I lived in the wilderness, and there was no fucking good internet.

So I had a T1 line installed in my house. They had to dig into the ground, took forever, laid pipes and shit so that I could get a good gaming line. That's so dope. You a legend. I'm a moron. No, I'm a moron. No, bro. I was playing eight eight hours a day you are a legend of morons how about that thank you i appreciate that that's accurate and i got to a point where i was like i gotta stop i quit for a long time i i had to stop i had to stop playing games because that's what i do like i'll train be gone all day get home play for

another four hours like and then not screwing up my sleep and whatever so like even like because my warfare came out during this uh during uh during this fight camp and the new one i was playing and then i was like i was playing i was loving it and then like the last three weeks of camp i was like yeah oh last four weeks i was like yeah i gotta stop playing like there's no way like i gotta put this down so i turn it down yeah because like you just get lost track of time like i don't i don't play story mode like i'm a guy like i just want to get i love uh fortnight and uh and then even uh call of duty because then you can you you pretty much have all the same guns and you just get in there you can just start

battling with guys and like it's competitive you know yeah and so that's what that's what i liked you know just being competitive and then i was like. I didn't play for 10 plus years. And then we set up, we had a land room in there, in the back. Oh, yeah? Yeah, dude, it was a real problem. And so once we started playing, I was playing every fucking day, hours and hours and hours. Jamie, you played, you had it for like, what, two years?

And Jeff and I logged in more hours? On just that game, yeah, for sure. We logged in more hours in how long? Two months? Three months? Two months? More than two years of him playing. 60 days, basically.

Playing four hours a day. Yeah, he's nuts. And that was just because I only had four hours a day. Like, if I didn't have to go somewhere, I would have been there all night. I'd come here on days off. I'd come here, work out I'd come here, hit the bag Do some rounds on the bag

And then I'd want to play in four or five hours online And I was like, fuck I gotta stop doing this I get a text, hey, what are you doing? You busy? You want to play some games? I text Jayville like, come on bro Let's go do this

It's the best though It's the best It's too crazy It is crazy It's super addictive My brain is not good for that But you see what the kid's making now? Oh yeah they're making real money

Oh my gosh Millions Millions Millions playing video games Fit plays No leg kicks Did you see Yeah did you see

Did you see what's his name Sean O'Malley He gave like He gave 15 plays And he made like more Whatever They were saying like They did a comparison

Of how much he made Like 27,000 27,500,000 Vers versus his fights yeah versus his fights they did it they compared it to his fights i was like what that's crazy he could be a professional fortnighter fortnighter yeah he's good too i saw a couple of streams wow that's well he had to do something right he didn't he get fucked over by a band supplement yeah Sean O'Malley says he makes around $4,500 a month through gaming. That's over a year ago. So he could be more.

Oh, he's probably making more now. He just won, I think it was $27,500. He gave it all to a charity. Really? He came 14 plays or eight plays, something like that.

But he gave it all to a charity. Yeah, he's the man. I like that kid a lot. He's a legend, yeah. Yeah, I like him a lot. Yeah, and then I think the thing that he got caught Was with I think it was marijuana

Or something like Was it? Yeah I think that's what it was Is that what it was? I thought it was A tainted supplement Oh was it supplement?

Yeah I think it's Jamie was saying That they're gonna not test Baseball players anymore For pot I saw that Yeah I saw that Good

Good that's what we want A bunch of stone people out there trying to catch a ball. Perfect. That'd be terrible. Maybe better. Maybe they know where that ball's going. They took marijuana off their list, but they added opioids, which is a good thing.

So opioids weren't on the list before? That's crazy. People are like, hold on. That's crazy because that's crazy. People were like, hold on, what? That's crazy because that's a real problem, man. That's a real problem. Opioids is the real problem, not marijuana. That's crazy.

That's heavy. Hawaii has a lot of drug issues, right? Oh, 100%. Yeah. Yeah, 100%. How'd you avoid that shit growing up? You know, like uh i saw it i saw like i remember like uh being like i think oh eight i think i was eight no not how we had to be younger maybe i was six seven six or seven my brother is one younger than me i remember like my uncle coming into the bathroom and my mom was

showering me and my brother and like, like, just fighting with my mom. Like, they're fighting. Like, fist fighting. And, like, you know, like, this is normal, though. You know, like, ice is, like, crazy in Hawaii. Ice is meth, right? Yeah, meth. And I was like, holy shit, this is nuts.

And then I see, like, my friends and family, their parents or whatever whatever or even going to high school there uh my friends doing this and that i'm like guys it's not for me like i ain't gonna do this shit like i i see what it did to my family how it affect and some of my love like people i love as friends and stuff families and i was like i ain't gonna do this and then and then that's just why i just stayed away i never i never did anything never did no type of drug not even marijuana never tried it really never never did nothing yeah no no i'm good i'm good but yeah you seem like you have though that's what's funny yeah you're like a laughy dude yeah you're silly i'm high on life yeah i guess so man you don't need it i don't need it yeah so i just i just saw i just saw

what a lot of people Like And then I stay away From marijuana For the wrong reason Cause when you was in high school You remember when I remember This always sticks out to me Whenever you talk about it

It's like It's when you bang up The dog commercial But the marijuana is like Hey What are you doing I really wish you Wouldn't smoke pot

Yeah No you're not You're not on marijuana If you're talking to a dog Don't stick with me For the rest of my life Joe You got me all messed up For that commercial but

Oh yeah that's a bit From my like I think that's from 2009 That's from a long time ago That's like my 2009 special That's from a long time ago Minzy I really wish you wouldn't

Smoke weed I graduated That's when I was graduating So that's when I was in school Play it Play that. Play it. Play that shit. Play it. Let me hear it.

Smoke weed. Go back. Rewind it a little bit so I can hear the whole thing. I wish you didn't smoke weed. You're not the same when you smoke. And I miss my friend.

I'll be outside. What the fuck were they thinking when they made that commercial? You are not... I remember you saying, you're not on marijuana. I know that girl's on cocaine and sleeping pills. Her fucking dog is talking to her.

Not only that, she's not even reacting. If your dog was talking to you when you were high, you'd be like, fuck, you can talk? How long have you been able to talk. If your dog was talking to you when you were high, you'd be like, fuck, you can talk? How long have you been able to talk? If my dog was talking to me, I was like, wait, wait. This whole time, you used the damn bathtub outside.

What are you doing? You know what I mean? Why are you barking at me? If you want food, tell me you want to eat. I'd go crazy with my dog. She doesn't even react. She's like, huh like She's not freaking out She's not

You would freak the fuck out Yeah you would If Marshall started talking to me I'd be like What Hold on Do that again Get my phone out

Yeah that was a stupid commercial man Yeah but yeah I just saw I just saw a lot of people like And we got a lot of talented kids From our side From one eye Like I saw guys like

Supposed to be in I think I think Personally like, supposed to be in, I think, I think, personally, they're supposed to be in NFL and MLB, or they're supposed to be greater things, you know, and just drugs and just other stuff. Like, you know, most of them, they stood at home. I used to see them around town when I'm around town and working a job they don't like, talking about the days when they was in high

school when they did certain stuff and I always told myself that that's not gonna be me you know the older people that was older than me and with drugs too I was like this ain't gonna stop me you know like I ain't gonna let this be it you know this ain't it for me so where did you develop did you always have this mindset that you're gonna be great at something oh 100 when i like what so so ninth grade when i was ninth grade i i remember going from eighth grade uh eighth grade to ninth grade i was going ninth grade and one of my cousins my other cousins he was with me at this last fight i thought he was supposed to be an mlb so i like and he wanted to be an mlb player so i was i'm gonna be an mlb player so i go home uh i tell my grandma grandma i'm gonna be an mlB player. So I go home. I tell my grandma, grandma, I'm going to be an MLB player.

She's like, okay, good. But you know he got out of college, right? I was like, yeah, and what's the problem? She's like, we don't have money for college, so you need to go get a scholarship. So I'm like, okay, dope. So I made school. I graduated cum laude and stuff because I thought I was going to play. I thought I was going to play.

I wanted to play MLB. I wanted to go to college, get a scholarship. But anyway, 10th grade came, and then it was after the ending of baseball, I found fighting. And when I was fighting, when I fought, I fought, there was like only a week left in school. And then I fought, we came to school.

I trained. At first, I trained. I only trained for- Did you start with MMA? No, I started with kickboxing. I only trained for three days. Three days? I trained for three days.

Yeah, my friend told- Baseball this season, just done. I went to train with him. I trained for three days. And then on the second day, I went there Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, four days. So Wednesday, I went to train. Thursday, I show up. They told me, oh, my, Friday, four days. So Wednesday I went to train. Thursday I show up. They told me, oh, my friend was fighting on Saturday.

He's like, oh, Max. The coach told us, Max, someone dropped out. You want to fight on Saturday? You got to weigh 135. I was like, bet. I was like, I'll fight because I was going to go. I would have to ask my, but my story was I had to ask my grandma for $35 to get into the fight. To ask my friend Kickbox.

But I was like, I get to fight and I get it for free? Like, yeah. This is bad. You know what I mean? I'm going to get it for free. I don't have to ask for $35, you know? You would train for two days and they ask you that. What kind of fucking coach were you going to that asked you if you want to fight on your second day?

He saw it out. We were sparring already. I was sparring the first day. coach were you going to that asked you if you want to fight on your second day i want he he saw it out what we were sparring already i was sparring the first day second day came back like it was like technical sparring but then we was doing you know like the first time i ever sparred when i went with them i got punched in the face and the first thing that went in my mind like i gotta punch this guy back i don't know how i'm gonna do it but i'm gonna punch you right back in your face because i hurt you know and That's what we did. I ended up fighting. I ended up winning the fight.

I remember going to school that following Monday. I was telling everybody, this is when K-1 was huge. This was 2007. I was like, I'm going to be a K-1 fighter, guys. Watch. They must have been like, when did you start training? Last week. Yeah, yeah.

I already had a fight and I won. Yeah, I fought a Saturday. That sounds like a lie. Like, if you didn't know you. Yeah. If someone told you that, like, hey, man, I was on with the gym

for two days. They told me I'm good. I should have a fight. So I had a fight that weekend and I won. Yeah, this is how crazy my mom was because I wasn't 18.

I was only 16. So I had to get approval from her. Like, she had to, like, tell the coach that I could do it. And she was like, I told my mom, they just asked me to fight.

And my mom asked me, are you ready? I was like, I don't know. I don't know, but I want to fight. And she's like, okay, just don't get hurt. That's how crazy my mom is. You know what I mean? That's my mother. She's crazy.

So she let me fight, and the rest is history. And then two years later, that's when BJ Penn was the BJ Penn era in the UFC. BJ was fighting George. BJ went on that 55 streak. And then I saw how much he made after one of his fights. It was like 30K. I was like, this is done. I was telling everybody when I was graduating, I was like, I'm going to be a UFC champion.

I told them I'm going to be a UFC fighter. I was like, I'm going to be a UFC fighter I was like I'm going to be a UFC fighter 100% And then My brother My older brother He graduated He graduated from high school From college I mean

From college He came home He's California He went to California Architude Something Architude Architude something here And he came home

And I was graduating high school that day. And I was on his computer playing games. And he was like, he was like, you graduate. What you going to do now? I was like, I looked at him. I was like, I'm going to be a UFC fighter. And he did this laugh that I'm not going to ever forget. It's just ingrained in my brain.

And he was like, ha, ha, ha, ha. And then he said, yeah, I don't know how that's gonna work for you so you better go figure it out you know and then that was all nine and then three years later uh january four january fourth i was at the hospital and my my son was uh i was waiting on the arrival of my son i remember exact times 10 03 a.m. I get my phone. My phone rang. And be like, hey, check your email. So I go check my email.

And it's a UFC contract to fight Poirier for February 4th. Wow. First, I hang up the phone. I hang up the phone. First person I call, my older brother. And he know I was there for my son. For my son that was being born. And he picks up the phone. He's like, oh. He's like, what's up, Max knew I was there for my son, for my son that was being born. And he picks up the phone.

He's like, oh, what's up, Max? I was like, what? Is my nephew here? I go, no. And he's like, then what? And he was big into Vaisalis. And Vaisalis saying was, I told you so. There's this thing, like, I told you so.

And I told him, oh, no. Guess who you're talking to? He's like, who am I talking to? I was like, you're talking to a UFC fighter. And he's like, ha, ha, he did the same laugh. He did the same laugh. And then he goes, go ahead, go ahead, you can tell me. I go, tell you what?

And he's like, tell me I told you so. I was like, nah, I just wanted to let you know. I was like, I'll call you when my son's here. And I hung up the phone. And then 303, my son was there. So January 4th was one of the best days of my life wow that's crazy and then you fought connor when you were like were you 20 or 21 i think i was uh 21 or yeah 21 i think he's 23 or whatever i think he's two or three years older than me three years older than me so i think if he was 24 and then i was 22 or something 21 so that was your last loss

and then you went on a crazy streak yeah you went on a crazy winning streak yeah yeah it was crazy you know like what like when you see like connor doing stuff like i'm a big believer in things happen for a reason you know before that we had uh i actually remember talking to you after the after my first one was bermudas when i fought bermudas and that was a tough fight i remember i ran into you at uh where we fought mgm and i was and you was leaving you was going back home to la or wherever you was going and i saw you at the elevators and he's like oh keep your head up kid so i thought you did i thought you did enough and i was like yeah it is what it is he's like yeah you'll be back though for sure and then and then after that we fought

connor and then those two fights really meant a lot that time in my career because it it just made me like realize like how much i gotta this i really gotta buckle down i really had to do do something i really had to find something i didn't have a striking coach until yeah like i had my first coach that i started with like when i got into the ufc was no longer and i i i'm with um i i ended up doing jiu-jitsu with uh rylan Lazarus the coach I'm with now he's been ever since UFC a little bit before my UFC fights too and then I never had a striking coach for what Dustin then we went on four and then we went on two so whatever the one five six seven my first seven fights in the UFC so what did you do for striking? You really want to know what I did? Yeah. You know, the UFC game?

I would use Henning Baral and Jose Aldo, and I would do stuff with them. I'd be like, oh, yeah, this works in the game. So my friend at the time, Dustin Kimura, he would kind of hold mitts for me, and I would be like, look, I tried this in the game, and it was working. Let's try it. And we did it. I figured it out from UFC, the regular UFC game. The first ever UFC game. What?

Yeah. You would watch the video game? I would play the video game and be like, oh, look at this. I would try the combination. I'd be like, oh, yeah, this kind of works, so let's try it. Why not? It got me that far. That is so ridiculous.

Wow. So then you realized you had to do something different after the Bermudez loss? Not the Bermudez loss. Like the Bermudez loss, we was trying to find a striking coach and this and that. And then the Connor loss, it was like, yeah, we got to get this shit going. You know, my coach did, Ryland. Ryland was like, man, I'm going to pull somebody in. And then he bring in the guy that I work with now, Ivan Flores, my striking coach.

And he lives on the island as well? he lives on the island we all we all in one gym now we're all together that's great yeah so it's like super easy now i made a giant difference obviously humang is different so it's like big big difference what does your brother say now oh yeah all that what does he say now you're the greatest featherweight of all time what does he say now nothing he can't say shit yeah let it go

do you ever say hey man you remember yeah I always all the time I'm not going to let you forget that come on I'm not going to let you forget that it's kind of hilarious right it's funny

you think about your younger brother telling you he's going to be a UFC fighter and he turns out to be one of the all time greats and you're mocking him you're like yeah you're going to be a UFC fighter. Yeah. And he turns out to be one of the all-time greats. And you're mocking him. You're like, yeah, you're going to be a fighter, bro. Good luck. Yeah, he said, this is exactly what he said. He said, yeah, good luck with that.

He was like, yeah, you should start looking into colleges or some type of state job. And I was like, nah, you just watch. You just wait. Wow. Talk about, like, calling it. But that's one of those things, like, someone tells it to you. Like, I'm going to be a UFC champion. Like, what are the odds?

Yeah, one of my friends, you know, like Michael Nakagawa. Like, he used to train with Alpha Male because he went to UC Davis. He got picked up from Uriah Faber then because of UC Davis and stuff. And that's why he got drafted. Is he a wrestler? Yeah, he's a wrestler. Yeah, a big- big time wrestler And then I remember the first time

Wrestling Going with him And I was in the UFC already And I was in Yeah I was in the UFC already And Chad was one of the top guys

You know And Aldo And then I remember my friend My friend told me Dustin Kimura Like oh yeah He changed my alpha male

Then blah blah I walk up straight to him I shake his hand, I'll be like, I told him, you know how I whooped Chad Mendes' ass, right? And then he was like,

wait, what? I was like, yeah, I probably whooped Chad Mendes' ass. And he's like, okay. And this is after he just taken my ass down like a hundred times

in practice. You know what I mean? Like, he, or right before he did that and then we practiced and he took me down like a hundred times in practice. You know, I don't know, wrestling too good, and then I still told him, and I still told him, like, I still want to challenge him in his ass,

I'm going to beat him, like, this is, this is how life goes, you know, I was like, I'm probably going to, I told him, I'm not probably, I told him, I'm going to beat Jose Aldo, I'm going to beat the champ, I was like, these guys can't, they're not going to touch me, and then, you can ask him about the story, and he always told me like when it actually happened he finally told me he's like yeah Max I was never gonna tell you but

I thought you was fucking insane when you started writing that I was like no this is a different confidence you just gotta put it

out in the world you know if you think you're gonna do something go do it and go work hard I wasn't scared of hard work you've always had

this attitude though do you know where you got it from I don't like my grandpa you know I guess it i don't like my grandpa you know i guess it has to be from my grandpa you know my grandpa he'd probably be mad you know he passed away when uh when i was eight grade but he'd probably be mad down with fire because he didn't want us he but he's an electrician so he just wanted us to get a good job a great job family

a house and all that stuff but it's just him hard work you know like i remember coming uh coming home from practices Or school Before you go out We had to do all the chores Whatever Every Saturday, Sunday We wake up at 6 o'clock He had breakfast

He had breakfast made for us And we'd go out Clean the yard Before we could go Do anything else And he just had structure You know And hard work

And he was like If you want to We had to pull weeds And he was just one of those guys That would find work Out of nothing Like we'd be doing one thing we'd be done and it'd be done ahead of schedule like okay perfect i need you guys to do this it's like no no this is not it you know we couldn't say nothing but we could ask if if we did but yeah i think it was just my grandpa you know like uh and it was just like sacrifices like in high in What I did When I was playing baseball And stuff

Like I gave up All my My recesses My recess And my And my lunches Or my lunch We had tournament lunch

And 15 minute recess Like to do my homework Cause all I wanted to do Was be an MLB player So When I went out To practice Right after baseball

Right after high Right after school is finished I remember just going On the field and not thinking about going home. I got to do homework or I got to do a project. A lot of teachers would help me out in school and stuff and this and that. That's how I got cum laude.

I'm not the smartest kid. I figured out I hacked a lot of things going to getting in life. I hacked a lot of things. One of the things in school, I realized that You sit by One of the smartest kids I used to sit by The smartest kids Every time I was in class I'd sit by the smartest kid

Asking them for help They would help me Willingly Like okay yeah Help me help me help me And if I really got stuck They'd be like Ah give me that

Take my work Do my work for me I'm like Really Perfect Perfect You know what I mean Like okay cool

And I just had to get Like C's on top of my tests to get the grades. And I was doing good. You know, boys in the money. So it's just about hacking life, I guess. So you just learned hard work from your grandfather. 100%. So what he made you do. And then he put it in your head that you could do whatever you wanted to.

Yeah. He said if you want anything, anything or everything ever comes from hard work. You're not going to ever get gifted anything. And if you are gifted something, don't take it. Say thank you, smile or whatever, but go out and work for it or earn it. He was one of those guys that if you gave him something, he always made sure he gave you back something.

He didn't want to feel like he owed you. Maybe he would be upset that you were a fighter, but damn, he'd be proud of you. Yeah, but I know that this is the number one thing. Like, so every time, like, he already was, like, he was out of work. He was retired and stuff. And every morning, 6 o'clock in the morning, we had a gazebo, drinking his Miller Lite. Every morning.

School day, weekday, every morning. Come home from school at 3 o'clock, he stood there drinking his Miller Lite, you know, like drinking a Miller Lite. So I know he's up there wherever he is, whatever you believe in. I know he's looking down on me and just being like, he's always just a stupid kid. And I know he's just looking at me. I know he's proud and stuff, but I know he's just like, you're a dumbass kid. And it's cool. That's him, though.

Well, you know, it's just like You a dumbass kid And it's cool That's him though Well you know It's just amazing What you've accomplished It's amazing when you Stop and think that You're still only 28 too You know you got a long way to go man 28 We got to

That's why That's why it's funny you know Like a lot of people is like Yeah this guy's the future of the division Or this is the future of that He's older than you Yeah I'm like

I'm a I'm a time traveler guys because i'm 28 you know the boy is time traveling right now with the time of the future i'm like so that means i'm from the you know yeah most guys your age not even fighting for a title yeah i got it i got in like what's cool is to have uh stuff on this card. Hooper, that Hooper kid. Yes. Because he's 20. Yeah.

And I was just like him when I came in. I remember I told him what's up. I saw him. I said hi. And I was talking to him. And then people was telling me, yeah, you know how old he is, 20. I was like, yeah, that's why I went to go shake his hand. Because I was that kid.

It was only eight years ago. Yeah. And I was that kid. I shook his hand. I was like, what's up, eight years ago. Yeah, and I was that kid. I shook his hand. I was like, what's up, my man? You know, like, nice to meet you, you know. And it's crazy because, like, when I was that age, I remember fighting in Vegas.

The first fight in Poirier, I remember I was standing. I was watching people gamble. And then they're like, hey, can I get your ID? I was like, oh, yeah, sure. I showed my ID to a card. They gave me back. They're like, yeah, you need to get the hell off the floor. I was like, why?

They're like, it's a casino. You're not 21. You can just only walk through. I was like, wow, this is some bullshit. I didn't even know, you know? So I had to keep walking. I was mad. Yeah, that's hilarious.

You're old enough to fight, but you're not old enough to gamble. Exactly. That's the biggest gamble you could ever do with your life. And I'm fighting grown men yeah you know like i'm fighting grown men come on and it's a gamble that's the real gamble fuck money man you're throwing knuckles and shins at people trying to choke them they're trying to choke you that's the the biggest gamble a person in life yeah that's wild you have crazy fucking cardio, man. Yeah. Your cardio is very impressive.

Genetics. Is it genetics? Genetics. It's got to be a lot of hard work too, man. I've seen you do. Hard work. Run with the sail. Yeah.

All kinds of, what kind of shit do you do for strength and conditioning? You have a separate strength and conditioning coach? Yeah. Yeah. I got this guy named Darren Yap. Tactical strength and conditioning out in Oahu. And he's one of the best guys out there. You know, a lot of coaches, they say, like, people don't know my coaches

because they don't really like me talking about them. Really? Yeah, every time they hear me talking about them, they're like, come on, guys. Stop saying that. They just want everything to me. That's how this team is. That's crazy. They just want everything on me.

They don't want people to know. They don't want. You're they don't want uh you're very lucky yeah you're very lucky yeah very blessed there you go i'm blessed i got the best nickname yeah i got some of the best i got some of the best best guys behind they don't want they don't want to know but yeah it is hard work you know and uh and then how often do you do it like when you're in camp how many days i do strength conditioning uh at least four times four times at least four times and what kind of shit are you doing uh i lift weights for sure and then we do cardio stuff like we try to balance it you know like you gotta have one of our favorite things is you gotta have goal muscle not show muscle you know you see some of these guys that just like how you said like they just rip and look amazing this and that but they're like tired in

like 30 seconds you know that's show muscles you know we gotta have gold muscles so i do a bunch of uh some days heavy lifting some days circuits some days sprints different type of sprints different type of running i like running i like jogging but do you run on the beach i like running on the beach you know the the beach is pretty fun but it's just it's kind of irritating i like swimming i do swimming here and there but it's all different type of muscles you know the the beach is pretty fun but it's just it's kind of irritating i like swimming i do swimming here and there but it's all different type of muscles you know we make sure we uh we all sit down we we do and we talk about the goal at hand and then uh then we make the training around it so when you're doing four days a week he's scheduling all this stuff for you like figuring out what you're gonna do oh I have, the boy got it easy.

The boy got it so easy. Like my manager, him, the couple coaches, I got a couple of PT guys and a couple of doctors. They're all in a group text. They all got my calendar and they put everything in there for me. So you just got to listen to them when they tell you what to do. So I just look at my calendar the night before and i know where i need to be with what addresses times and everything wow so let life be good you know life be really good they're spoiling me a little bit that's beautiful so four days a week you're doing that are you

doing that in the morning i like i like working i like doing that before uh i like if if i am doing it on that day or whatever day I do strength and conditioning, that's my first workout of the day. I hate when I see people do the jiu-jitsu training before, and then they go and try to do stuff. That's not going to happen. It's backwards. Why is that?

Because I believe you're getting tired and stuff, and then you go strength and conditioning, you're not going to be able to give your full. You cannot push on a weight thing. If you got to lift heavy or do cardio stuff, you can't push when you're already tired. Right. Because it's a cardio thing, or there's weights involved or whatever, a treadmill. But when I'm in jiu-jitsu, I can mentally push myself to break.

You know what I mean? I can go without getting hurt, without really getting hurt. Right. But then if I go to do jiu-jitsu and I got to lift, I can't, like, what I could do before if I'm fresh versus what I can do now is, like, it's totally different. You're not getting stronger. You're not getting anything.

But you can get mentally stronger or whatever or smarter or whatever. And you can figure things out when you apply it. Like, I'd rather be tired going to any type of jujitsu training, wrestling training, or kickboxing training versus the other way around. Yeah, there's a lot of jujitsu gyms like Carlson Gracie's. They used to do that. They used to have a real hard workout before you would train. Before you would train, you'd do bear crawls. Yeah, the warm-up.

Yeah, all that stuff. All kinds of push-ups, sit-ups, different kinds of drills that you would do, like strength and conditioning routines. And you would do that before you would ever get a chance to train. So you'd be exhausted by the time you trained. Because you've got to figure it out. Because this is like, if I, like, I like to, like, I don't know, it's just me. You know, like, with this point system, this and that.

I always try to finish fights, no matter what. Even if you're the best guy in the world i'm gonna try to finish you and you always gonna see me in your face i'm not gonna go away because that's just it you know like if i if we fought to death if there's no time limit i'm good like i'm gonna kill you like this is my mindset like there's no way i'm gonna figure out a way to make you tired and make you quit and when you quit you know you know may peace be with you to the next one but at the end of the day that's what it is that's why you you should be in that moment because if you're fresh and stuff everybody can be the greatest fresh but there's the special ones that know how to figure it out when they're

not there like when you're tired and you're dead tired, you got to go that one more round the extra minute. You figure things out. And that's what separates the greats from the greatest. You know? That's just the difference, I think.

Well, that's always been a real signature of your fighting style is your endurance and your confidence in your endurance. You can push through. Like, I'll never forget the rematch with Aldo when right before the second round you came over to us

and you went the man's tired i'll never forget that he's tired but you were hyped up it was funny because i i felt him going already and when i came down when i came by you and i was like the man's tired because i knew i i was like this guy's done he's done he came out i remember he came out fast he came out fast with like a straight right left hook and i was like i was like maybe he might not be but we but we're gonna find out right now and then i pushed it a little bit more and i was like okay yeah yeah that was a little smoke screen he that's what he had left from the little minute he got to he got to know? He couldn't fight. His style is so explosive. Yeah.

He couldn't fight that way with you. Yeah. I mean, that was a perfect example of how styles make fights. I like what you said. I like what you said. Like, I went in a dog fight knowing that I'm going to come out of the dog fight. Like, I'm going to bring the fight to him. And that's what we knew, you know?

I knew that I had. You forced him into a wild fight. I knew that if I got into a couple of slugs with him, every time I went, every time I came out, my battery would probably drop 2%, but he's dropping like 30%. Why is that? I just, the dude is genetically gifted with power. With power. I knew that I was in here for a long game. If you watch a lot of his fights, that's the cool thing about him.

I got to watch him when I was 16. I've been watching him since then, and now I got to face this guy. I always told myself, even before I was in MMA, I was like, I want to kickbox this guy. If I could fight him for five rounds, I could beat him in a kickboxing match. That's just what I told myself, you know. That's just the belief you need to be great you know and keep pushing and because you just watch him you you can just see him get tired over time you know after he win the first three rounds fort fit he just coasted yeah yeah they gifted with powers so true because those guys who are gifted with power rarely have the same power. Cardio. Yeah.

There's a lot of guys that I just think, gosh, I wish I had your power. If I could just have, give me 2% of your power. Right. I would love that. And we work. I'm working for it. I'm trying to get it. But just God-given, this is different. There's some guys that's God-given power, they just touch your chin, boom.

Yeah, but there's something to be said for the kind of endurance and the style that you have, that style of constant pressure. I like my style and stuff. I like it because when you do knock out someone, they can always be like, oh, he just caught me. With the Aldo and stuff, the first one, that's what they were saying. They were like, yeah, Max, you're losing the first like, oh, he just caught me. You know, like, with the all-doing stuff, the first one, that's what they were saying.

They were like, yeah, Max, you were losing the first couple rounds, but you just caught him. So the second time we did it back, we run it back,

and I had to do what I had to do. You know, I wanted to show everybody, look, I'm here for real. But that's why I like my style. Everybody's like, yeah, you do good.

But I'm like, and what? Like, if you knock out somebody, like, catch them early in the round, say five seconds in Knock them out You can be like

Yeah you just caught a lucky punch Even if it was the most calculated punch In the world You know Even like with the Conor thing Like this is a lucky punch It's not a lucky punch You know

Conor's in the back practicing it You know what I mean Like you see It wasn't a lucky punch But people keep telling them No it landed It's lucky Blah blah blah

So it's always gonna be Whatever you know Over your head Whatever But the way i fight and stuff i just want to just outclass you in every single way that i possibly can and show the world like look you want to you want to wrestle yeah try and get me there you want to do jiu-jitsu yeah take me down let's see let's see if you can get me there first and then if you want to do the

striking thing yeah let's do it you know i just want to show the world that look i'm better than you in every aspect so like mentally that that just screws with someone you know I just want to show the world that look I'm better than you in every aspect so like mentally that just screws with someone you know do you think that a guy that has the kind of power that Aldo has

can ever have the kind of endurance that you have for sure you know they would have to fight different yeah for sure you know but in their back pocket

it's just tough because sometimes when those guys mindsets I feel like with the guys who get knockout who has knockout power

their mindsets they turn to like they turn to who get knockout, who has knockout power, their mindsets, they turn to like, they turn to like, I just gotta land this. So that's why, and then you get tired in there. Yeah. Because then you're

mentally fatiguing yourself because you're thinking about like, oh shit, I'm having bad, no, now I just change it. I gotta turn it in. Now you start thinking,

you start getting tense, you start looking for that one shot, you start missing that shot. And like, even when I fought Aldo, you was calling a lot. Look, he's whiffing. When you miss a punch and your body goes with it, it's tough. It's tough to recover.

It's like, oh my gosh. Exhausting. And then you don't put in the extra 5% that might get you more tired because you're thinking like, why? I just missed. Where is this kid? What does he do? And then i'm back right on you you know so or or anybody like they're back in your face like i'm here you know

knock knock hello you thought i left no i'm right here that style that's like colby covington style is very similar in the sense that he he has a crazy volume you know he doesn't he's not hitting you 100 no like i talked to him after the robbieler fight. I go, how hard are you hitting? Are you hitting like 60%, 70%? He goes, yeah, somewhere around there, 60%, 70%. He goes, I'm just putting it on him. Just putting it on him. Just keeping it on him.

Just staying on him. That Robbie Lawler fight was a perfect example. He just kept that pressure going, kept that pressure going. Super small, yeah. Robbie never got a chance. Never had a chance to unload. Never had a chance to fire back. And Robbie's one of the power punters.

They look for it. Yep. So when you get that stuff, they're looking for it. And it never comes. And it misses because in their mind, like, I can't. No, don't worry. It's not this one. The next shuffle.

And then the next shuffle comes. No, no, no. I got the next shuffle. You know, they keep saying the next one, but it never comes. The opening was never there for him. The opening was never there for him. That was why it was so interesting to watch him versus Usman because Usman has a crazy

gas tank too yeah Usman's weird it was crazy the boat was just you know pretty much punching each other right

yeah I mean right in front of each other it was basically a kickboxing match I mean I don't think there was any takedown attempts if I remember I don't remember I don't remember

any takedown attempts very few uh low kicks you know uh usman threw a lot of kicks to the body a lot of front kicks to the body in particular his body work paid off big time yep you see kobe really faded in that body work man yeah i mean the front kick to the body too that was money for him and that left hook to the body too nice you know he was digging digging oh that was actually right hand to the body too that was money for him and that left hook to the body too you know he was digging digging oh that was actually right hand to the body right because he was fighting orthodox yeah kobe was fighting southpaw yeah yeah it was uh that's a wild fight that was a wild fight because usman's got power and he's got cardio he's got both things yeah but just smart use of his

energy when you got that is like i said, it's a mental thing. A lot of the guys that have the power, they just kind of cut it off sometimes. They don't rely on the other thing. Like, let's get back to work and do this. But Usman is like a wrestler. So in his mind, he's like, I can wrestle too. So let's just do this wrestle pressure thing with just punches. Yeah, I would see a

rematch that fight too that fight would be very interesting to see a rematch

because that fight was super fucking close and competitive once you get fight of the night

you know it's competitive that's why I hate it everybody's like oh yeah let's get fight of the

night I was like no let's not get fight of the night I don't

want to look competitive I want the fight to be like what is going

on you know that's my thing like the second Aldo competitive i want the fight to be like what is going on you know that's my thing right like the second aldo fight yeah i just want i want people to be like wow this guy what's next yeah he's never gonna beat him you want that yeah you want that feeling exactly well i remember thinking that too because aldo was a late minute last minute replacement yeah and in the second fight in particular and you were like it is what it is yeah and i was like do you know how crazy it is that this guy is talking about the greatest featherweight of all time? He's talking about fighting him again.

He's like, it is what it is. It is what it is. I'm like, that is hilarious. If this is the guy you guys think is the greatest, let me fight him. Like I said, everybody keeps asking me about, oh, do you want to do it? Can we fight after seeing what he's doing? I'm like, this could be a human. He's human. He's human just like me and you. If you put me what he's doing? I'm like, is Khabib human? He's human.

He's human just like me and you. If you put me in an octagon, I'm going to fight him. I'm a fighter. And that's just it. You know, at the end of the day, I just want to be the greatest of all time.

And he's the guy there. You know, he's one of the guys there. He's one of the guys that stood undefeated in MMA. It's impossible to do. So why would you not want to fight someone like that? That's the thing that blew my mind.

Even when people are like, oh, you take it so short notice. I'm like, guy, this is how legends are made. This is why people remember your name. And they're like, oh, why are you doing this? I wouldn't. Champions in MMA, John Jones is not defeated. Yeah, he's not. He's got this one bullshit loss that was one of the dumbest.

Craziest. I remember you saying that, too, because, like, he was already finished. The fight was done. Yeah, he stopped him. Yeah, yeah. The fight was already done before the elbows even came into it. Because, like, when he dropped him, that's when the guy's shoulder popped out. Yeah.

And Manhattan was just staying still already, right? He's getting crushed. He was getting crushed in that fight. It wasn't a competitive fight at all. John was smashing him. And then the fact that they gave that as a win to Matt Hamill is just bananas. It doesn't make any sense. At the very least it should be a no contest. He should be undefeated.

He should be undefeated. It should be a win. I think it should be a win. Yeah, exactly. The fight was done when he did the trip. Right. And he popped the shoulder, went to the mouth. Well, and then he was smashing him. Look, this fucking rule is dumb.

This 12 to 6 elbow rule is dumb. I don't understand how I can 12 to 6 you for standing up, like jump. Right. If I jump in the air and I, like, what is that, Tony Jaa you? Yeah, that's legal. It's legal. But then once we go to the ground, it's like, I don't understand. I don't see what is the difference of both of it, you know?

It's an old rule and it was brought together because John McCarthy said that they were talking to the commissioners when they were first starting to establish rules. Yeah. You said they broke ice, right? Yeah. They had seen one of those ESPN things. You don't see people break ice with punching fists down. Right.

They do that too. You know what I mean? Kicking. They use their head. They hit butt. It's dumb. Right, they do that too. You know what I mean? Kicking. They use their head. They hit butt, you know? It's dumb. Some guys do it like this. Yeah, it's a dumb, dumb, dumb rule.

But anyway, the bottom line is John is undefeated. Yeah, 100%. And then Khabib's undefeated. And who else? What other champion is undefeated? I don't think there's another one. Cejudo's been beat. I mean, who else?

You know, it's Khabib. khabib's the only one as a champion yeah you know usman lost is one of his early fights he got bender style is he undefeated no no well he's not he's undefeated in mma yes yeah oh but now you keep watching yeah he lost to uh alex pereira that demon he's listed as undefeated for MMA. Stylebender. Yeah, Stylebender is. So it's Stylebender, Jon Jones, and Khabib. Yeah, so he's undefeated in MMA. I think he's only got one or two losses.

Is the China girl? The China champ? Weili Zhang. Oh, she got one. Zhang Weili. You have to say it backwards now. Zhang Weili. Does she have a loss?

She's not on this list. She's not? It's like a list of all undefeated fighters. Oh, yeah. Okay. So she probably has a loss early in her career. She's a monster, man. Woo.

Yeah. That's big, too, for a girl like that to be that good and represent China. Yeah. China has so many people. Yeah. It's huge for the UFC. Huge. When she fought that girl, Jessica Andrade, too.

Jessica Andrade was a beast. For her to start you like that in the first round. Very, very impressive. That was crazy. It's a crazy time for the sport, right? What a time to be alive. It's awesome. How do you feel right now?

What happens now? You relax for a couple weeks And then You concentrate on a rematch Is that what happens We see what happens Whatever I don't

I don't know You know I cannot say Oh yeah The rematch Blah blah This and that It has to be a rematch

Yeah If that's what the Let me talk for you If the UFC wants Rematch Yeah If the fans want We see what happens

I would love that You know I'm a competitor Yes Everybody's like You don't want to rematch this and that or i see i'm like are you you stupid is he dumb i want to fight this guy i got i got losses on my record i want to fight every single one of them again you know i mean that's just how i am i'm a competitor we come we compete and uh if it's rematch it's the rematch you know if it's not if it's a different weight class different weight class

if it's up a couple I don't give it I just want to be the world's best fighter ever and I want the most interesting fights if you guys

if you guys want to see me fight somebody let me know you know like whoever you want to see me fight you guys you guys think

it's real gangstas whoever you guys think a real gangsta fighter is let me have my chops at them beautiful I love that attitude man that's one of the reasons why you're so popular it really is thank you it's beautiful man and fun to talk to you man i really enjoyed it we finally did it we finally did it brother we made it i'm still gonna ask you every time after the fight we gotta keep it going let's keep it going after every fight come on in man every fight in vegas is close. Come on in.

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