The Joe Rogan Experience - Podcast from a Car #2

Episode Date: June 7, 2015

This episode is only available as audio. Joe and Cameron Hanes recorded a podcast in a car while returning from a recent hunting trip. Cameron Hanes is a bowhunting athlete, “training intensively each and every day to become the Ultimate Predator.”

Hello friends. Ooh, how are you? This episode of the podcast is brought to you by Blue Apron. Blue Apron is, I really enjoy this sponsor because I like hearing back from people that try things out that wouldn't ordinarily have done it. I like when people step outside their comfort zone. For a lot of people, that comfort zone is cooking your own meals. We like to go to restaurants or we like to cook something really simple like a can of SpaghettiOs or something. Some people are just not inclined to get involved in cooking something, but then you feel like you want to mix it up. Well, if you want to mix it up and you want to create really healthy, delicious meals and do it in a pretty simple to follow way. Blue Apron's your way to go. It's awesome.

What they do is they send you all the ingredients. They send them to you in a cooler. It's all packed in there. They're all in the right proportions. And then they also send you the step-by-step instructions, the recipes, like all the portions are measured out. So all you have to do is follow these photographic step-by-step recipe instructions. It's super easy to do.

You really can't fuck it up. And the meals are delicious. They're about 500 or 700 calories per serving. They taste really good, and they're unusual tasting. There's like a bunch of really cool flavors. They're not like really simple meals. There's a bunch of really cool flavors. They're not really simple meals. I'll read you some of the different foods that they send you these recipes for.

Different recipes. Korean bao, ground turkey, quick cucumber kimchi, seared salmon with preserved lemon and quinoa, cucumber kimchi, seared salmon with preserved lemon and quinoa, sliced pork steak with smashed potatoes and strawberry rhubarb compote. I mean, this is delicious shit. This is like complicated stuff. Like if you serve this to somebody, they would be super impressed with you. They'd be like, God damn, Jamie, how'd you learn how to fucking cook like this? You're amazing. Such an amazing man. For less than 10 bucks a meal blue apron sends you the fresh ingredients perfectly proportioned making cooking healthy meals really easy and fun really uh and no trips to the grocery store no waste from unused

ingredients plus you'll learn to cook with specialty ingredients that are normally hard to find so check out this week's menu and get your first two meals for free by going to blueapron.com forward slash Rogan. My treat. Two meals are on me. They say that, but it's not really my treat. It's like if you go there, you can get the two meals.

How about I'll just say that instead of saying it? It's a great service though, and I use it all the time. So blueapron.com forward slash Rogan. Go cook yourself some yummy food, son or daughter or what have you.

July 10th, I'm going to be at the Ka Theater again, the MGM in Vegas with Tony Hinchcliffe and Tom Segura. We did it in May and it was fucking awesome. It's really cool. It's where they do the Cirque du Soleil, the car show

there. That's July 10th and then July 24th I'm at the Chicago Theater in Chicago, Illinois. And I'm with Tony Hinchcliffe there. Looking forward to that as well. So that's it for those. We are also brought

to you by Ting. Ting is the official cell phone provider of the Joe Rogan Experience. One of these days I'm going to say that normal, right? Instead of just doing it. I feel weird about saying my own name. Ting is a great mobile service that uses the Sprint backbone. And now they also have GSM service, which I'm 99% sure they use the T-Mobile band. And what they do is the way they – or at least it's the exact same frequencies that T-Mobile uses.

I don't know. I don't know how all that shit works. But what they do do that I really like is they provide you with major company service like Sprint or T-Mobile. But they do so in a way that – I should probably be sure that they're on the T-Mobile, but they do so in a way that I should probably be sure that they're on the T-Mobile lines before I say that. They are? Okay. See, this is in real time. I'll leave this in the goddamn commercial.

I'm pretty sure. I was like 99% sure. $23 is the average monthly bill per device for Ting customers, and this is why. What Ting does is, say if you only use 13 minutes this month just for whatever reason you say i'm not calling anybody fuck them you pay for those 13 minutes only you don't pay for the 100 minutes that you might be allotted every month and there's no overage fees in that way as well like if you go over your time well you don't have any time you pay for whatever the hell you use it it's a a great way to do it. And it's a way that should have been done a long time ago.

Most of us are leaving money on the table when you have a contract and that contract is for X amount of minutes per month. Most of the time you don't use those minutes and you're not credited for them. What Ting does is very simple. You use what you pay for. And they have some great devices. you use what you pay for and they have some great devices they have all the the cool cool daddy-o um android phones they have uh apple iphones you can bring unlocked uh apple iphones over to it and they also they have the samsung galaxy uh s6 edge which is pretty dope samsung just got me one of those they have the regular galaxy galaxy s6 as well pretty slick phones man um these new galaxy phones are just as nice and they feel just as good like in your hands as any iphone it's really interesting to see the competition making everybody step up make these satisfying devices

but the point being that what they do at ting too is they sell you the device that is yours once you pay it's not there's no hidden fees if it's 81 bucks for a one touch evolve 2 that's what the fuck it cost and once you pay that then it's yours normally when you get a cell phone from a provider if it says you know 400 whatever the hell dollar it is uh to buy this phone it really costs more than that but what you're doing is you're going to pay the remainder of it off over a long period of time, like the extent of your contract. So it makes it cheaper for you. It makes it look like it's cheaper for you until you try to leave.

With Ting, you don't have any contracts. So there's no early termination fees. You just leave. It's beautiful. All right, go to rogan.ting.com and save 50 bucks. That's the new promo codes because they're in full swing with GSM. So they're making it even juicier. Used to be 25 bucks.

Now it's 50. So go to rogan.ting.com. We're also brought to you by on it.com. Each and every week, my friends. On it, the total human optimization website with go to the On It Academy and learn some shit. Like how about cheese is probably good for you. I don't know if it's good for you.

There's an article about cheese there. There's an article on marijuana while we're all inherently potheads. What it is, what the On It Academy is a really interesting aspect of the site and the business in that there's a lot of really intelligent, unique people contributing, really cool stories, great workouts, advice, diet, inspirational videos. There's all kinds of cool shit there, and it gets you fired up.

And then there's actually a real Onnit Academy in Austin, Texas with amazing facilities, all state-of-the-art equipment, really great instructors, cool staff. It's a really exciting place to work out. And it sort of embodies what we're trying to do it on it. And what we're trying to do is give people all the tools to optimize their life, to get their body to work, perform, and feel better, to get your brain to work, perform, and feel better, to get your moods in the proper order, to get your body to work, perform, and feel better, to get your moods in the proper order, to get your body and your brain tuned up. Get it tuned in together.

It's what we're trying to achieve. If you go to O-N-N-I-T and use the code word ROGAN, you will save 10% off any and all supplements. Okay, you fucks. This podcast was with me and Cameron Haynes uh this is a podcast we did in a car i mean really it's kind of pretentious even calling it a podcast what is it's a conversation that we had on my iphone that i'm going to release online because uh we wanted to talk about we're coming back from a successful hunt and uh cameron is a very famous bow hunter so if you're not into any of that and uh that kind of stuff bums you out you don't have to listen this podcast

like i'm why would i even have to say that like you don't have to listen to that's i'm a ridiculous person don't mind me um so this is what the podcast is. It's a conversation between two dudes coming back from bear hunting. So that's it. So ladies and gentlemen, my friend Cameron Haynes. Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. The Joe Rogan experience.

Train by day. Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. I'm in a car right now With Cameron Haynes Rick Carone Jenny Rivett Rick's on the camera I got this recording too i'm gonna release this

as an audio podcast and we're coming back right now from uh successful bear hunt uh in alberta good times up there up in the middle of the woods and um we were just talking about the contradictions like the things that people uh on, on hunting, and how ridiculous it is, and one of the ones that drives me the most crazy is people that claim that they're animal lovers, and so they, you know, they get really mad at you for hunting, but they have pets, and, you know, like, what do you feed these pets, like, what do you, you think this food grows on a dog food tree, And I'm like, what do you feed these pets? Do you think this food grows on a dog food tree?

What do you think cats eat? It doesn't. No, it doesn't. You're buying some animal that somebody captured. I mean, they probably have them in cages somewhere, pens, and then they kill them, and they grind them up, and they turn them into dog food. And those people will claim that what you're doing by going out in the wild and getting an animal is either unethical or immoral or terrible.

And those contradictions, those ones that are right in front of your face, those have always puzzled me about people. Which the pursuit of what we were just doing is so much more pure than whatever goes into the dog food or the factory farming or whatever but first before we get into that what about the hunt it was an awesome hunt got two bears um one the day before last and one yesterday it was awesome uh very exciting very uh very crazy and the meat was delicious jenny cooked it, taught me a new recipe. How to do, what did you put in it? You stir fried it, but what did you put in it? What were the ingredients? Some bacon, onions, peppers, a whole bunch of spices. It was awesome.

All anybody who was eating it was raving about how good it was. I mean, whatever deer or elk steak you've had before it would rival that it was it's really good such good bear meat i mean bear meat has a stigma a little bit but it is it prepared right just as jen proved amazing food well i you know i wrote that thing on social media the hierarchy of dead animals on social media and that like the one that no one cares about is chopped up fish like if you have a slice of fish like a filet of fish it doesn't bother them if you have fish live that's a life right it is a life okay but as long as it's a piece it's already cut up we're so desensitized we're so used to that being in a package in styrofoam at the

supermarket we don't think of it as being something that somebody killed. The Filet-O-Fish sandwich. Filet-O-Fish sandwich. Well, who knows what that is, right? It's a square. Allegedly, it's fish, I think. It's somehow mashed into a square. That's the same weight every time.

It doesn't make any sense, right? I've never caught a Filet-O-Fish sandwich in the wild. No, in the wild. They're very crafty. Only McDonald's knows how to wrangle those suckers. So then there's dead fish, which some people get a little more squeamish. You see the actual fish. And then there's things like pigs that people really don't care too much about.

Wild boar. People kind of get grossed out by them. Turkeys. Nobody gives a shit about turkeys. We've already talked about this i don't but even anti-hunters don't so they're just like yeah those there's i think because they're so ugly who cares if they're dead it's kind of what the anti-hunters you know we talked about the more beautiful the animal yeah the more outrage yeah is that it kind of

there's a lot of that for sure well bears, bears are one of the big ones. And I think there's a couple reasons for that. I think, one, bears, people associate bears with trophy hunting. And I know one of the things about you is that you eat everything you kill. Yeah. And I think that's important. I really do. I mean, I don't have any problem with people that want to go and shoot some weird animal

because they want to make a collection, you know. Because I know that there's, in conservation money, a lot of those animals, there's a reason why their populations are thriving. And that's the case in Africa. That Louis Thoreau podcast, or podcast that I did, but it's his documentary that he did on those uh african hunting ranches yeah people that hate those ranches when you find out about it it's not it's not that clear cut there's a lot of there's a lot of weirdness to that whole thing because

there's animals that were on the verge of extinction that are now thriving and the only reason why they're thriving is because they have a dollar value to them. Yeah, no, I mean, there's value to the animals here in the United States also. Sure. And hunters are the ones that, as we've covered a million times on my podcast with you, and I'm sure you talked about it with Jim Shockey and any hunter you have on, you talked about the positive impact of hunting and hunter's money. It's, you know, I don't know. So you go beyond all that.

You go beyond the challenge and the hunt. What I liked about this hunt for you, and you can still talk about your hierarchy of animal kills if you want, but you talked about, I want to just touch on the intensity of the moment. You know, this hunt, yeah, it is about, you're taking a cooler full of meat home. We ate meat at camp, and it was amazing. But there's just that primal instinct of being in the woods.

We're in close. We hadn't had, you know, because of the weather and the moon and all sorts of factors, we weren't seeing the bear like we had in the past. And so all this anxiety is building, all this time is passing, and you're wondering, are we going to see anything? And then as, you know, basically dusk is approaching, we see our first bear. And so then all of a sudden it's a race against the clock. And what you talked about, the intensity or, you know, or what that feels like,

you can't mimic that feeling in regular life, right? No, you can't. And you also know that this there's something about when you come to full draw on an animal you can't pull that arrow back once it's released and there's a there's a decision that you have to make where you're lining up the shot and you're making sure your fundamentals are in order your technique is good and and the animal's moving by the way the animal's not cooperating has no idea it's even participating in this little experiment and you you gotta make a good shot yeah and it's discipline

it is discipline and uh you know thankfully every animal i've shot so far with a bow i've killed but that's uh there's a lot involved in that that's's a lot of practice. I mean, I shot at least 190 arrows yesterday. At least. We're just practicing over and over and over again. And everybody else at camp was doing the same thing. Everybody's practicing, practicing. For hours we practiced. All for that one moment where that bear is right in front of you.

And he turns broadside. And you get that perfect shot. And that feeling is crazy. It's so primal, and there's nothing that mimics it. And then when the arrow goes, like I was telling Jen after we shot the bear last night, like right after it happened, I go, I don't even feel like that happened. It didn't feel like it happened. It felt fake it was it

felt like uh like a like a dream or something you know it's weird yeah well it does happen so quickly what happens i think with a lot of new archers new bow hunters is that's exactly right the animal comes in all the practice they put in sometimes it's so intense and as we've alluded to regular life doesn't prepare you for those type of moments i know as a new bowhunter i would come back shoot not even be certain which pin i used if the animal was that and just be like what the heck just happened yeah what what just what happened i don't remember anything and you got to try to piece it together and it's just that's where the fundamentals come in and you know as we were sitting there that first night or

the third night of the hunt actually the bear came in you know I was you get there you get cold you start putting on more clothes you get gloves on you get a hood on and then then the bear comes in and I was I was asking you i was like you shot with the your glove on before and uh you know i just wanted to make sure because it doesn't seem like a big deal it's a big deal when the success the line between success and failure on an animal when you're using a razor sharp rod head can be this thin sometimes a glove um doing something a little bit different when you shoot that can that can be the difference. And on your bear, fatal shot, died quickly,

but it wasn't exactly where you'd hoped it would be. Even though you shot thousands and thousands of reps, over the last two years, who knows how many shots, and it was only at 15 yards, and still it wasn't a perfect shot. No, it was slightly back back and so we weren't sure what had happened we we heard the thing run and then crash and then we heard the death moan about 30 seconds later so we knew it was dead but we didn't know where and so then we had to go on the blood trail and by then we we i shot the bear about it was about dark it was just turning dark

yeah so from then on still legal light it was legal light it was about dark. It was just turning dark. Yeah. So from then on. Still legal light, how old? It was legal light. It was legal light, but I have these light, I have lighted knocks, which means like when the bow releases the arrow, the knock where the arrow hits the string, it lights up, which is really cool. So you could see exactly the path of the arrow. So I could see where it hit.

If I didn't have lighted knocks, it would just be, I don't know where it hit. It would just be guessing. That's a big advantage because there's been kind of a, even in Oregon, lighted nocks, where I'm from, lighted nocks aren't legal. And it doesn't give you an advantage. It helps. You know, just like that, we knew, I was watching the binoculars, we knew immediately a little bit back.

Yeah. So that kind of plays into the approach we're going to take on the animal and tracking it but knowing where that animal hits is huge anyway, we knew you were a little bit back yeah, we saw the arrow go through the night and right into the bear

it was like dusk and then we went tracked it down took a long time and then we went, tracked it down. It took a long time and found it. And Cam carried it out on his shoulders, covered in blood, all the way down the back of his pants. But it was a huge relief to find the animal. It's all mental. It's all mental, he says.

That's the theme of this week. What? Stay tuned for those shirts. Yeah, that's the next shirt. It's all mental including doing things you probably shouldn't do like having bear blood on your hand and eating chips it's all mental it pretty much include it encompasses everything in life it's all mental i think yeah yeah anyway but it was you know tracking that bear so we're on our hands and knees through thick, thick brush, you know, looking for pinpricks of blood.

Because even though, I mean, we knew the bear was dead, but we walked down there and I told Joe, I'm like, we got to get on the blood trail. We heard the death moan, but it had been about 200 yards away. And we're like, I said, he could be anywhere. It was dark. We could be five yards from him and not know so we had to get back on the blood trail and unravel that thing and that's that's a big part of bow hunting also that's a you know a huge part of um a bow hunting in its woodsmanship it's learning how to unravel a blood trail where to look for blood depending on on where the arrow hits where

that blood's gonna either wipe on a tree how it's gonna splatter how it's gonna drip if it's gonna run down the leg you know bear don't have a hoof like a deer elk so they're not leaving a real print so it's it was difficult but you know I think about midnight we finally recovered that bear and we rejoiced yeah it's interesting because when we first started looking for it we could still see it was still bright enough we could see through the woods and we're trying to look for it and then we realized you know what we better start from scratch we better because we we kind of knew we heard it drop and we heard the moan so we knew it was in an area when we say moan for people who don't know when bears die

they most of the time they make a real audible moan it's it can be pretty haunting in dark woods you hear this is they you know everybody everybody that sounds more like sasquatch you know s Sasquatch is like this. Oh. So what if we actually could kill Sasquatch? I wonder what he'd do. He'd probably be like, dude, what the fuck? I'm just a guy out here. Yeah, with this costume on.

We're trying to make a TV show. I'm just working with Les Stroud out here in the woods, trying to make some money. Shot my ass. Thank you. But we were talking about the stigma attached to bear hunting. Steve Rinella coined this phrase, charismatic megafauna. That's a hell of a phrase.

That's Rinella. He's very articulate. If you had that on a shirt, it would take up a lot of space. Steve, you've got to shorten that of space. Yeah, it's not... Steve, you've got to shorten that stuff up. We've got to keep it simple. Yeah, if you want to have shirts that sell well on social media. You're not going to sell any of those.

But it's all mental. People can get behind that. There you go. Charismatic Megafauna sounds like an indie band from Seattle. I bet Caitlin would wear one of those. She probably would. Note how I said she. We're talking about Bruce Jenner.

I did the appropriate. It's Caitlin with a C. Yes. Is that not normal? No, I got that wrong yesterday. Oh, they usually use K? No, I said something, or I typed it, and it was like, with the K, and they were like, no, C, get it right.

Well, you can't commit to it because she might change tomorrow and decide to be debbie you know once you live 65 years as bruce and then one day you're caitlin all bets are off yeah you don't know what she can do whatever the fuck she wants yeah yeah or he or whatever he prefers he by the way in that interview whatever we're getting off track the mega fun yeah that people have this idea first of all because of movies where bears are your friends you know a yogi bear and boo boo and you know winnie the pooh we have all these ideas about bears being these you know our buddies they buddies. They're not. They're big predators that are almost all cannibals. They eat their babies. It's very, very, very common. And it's

one of the reasons why you have to hunt these male boars to keep the population healthy. And it seems counterintuitive. You think like, well, if you're killing animals, that's bad for the population. But it's not. Because if you kill killing animals that's bad for the population but it's not because if you kill boars you actually make the population of new animals healthier because boars eat a lot of babies not just bear babies but didn't cover those or is a male bear some people don't know that sometimes I'll pick some sometimes I'll put like I put you killed a boar and people think well you misspelled the word bear, you idiot. No, actually, that one was right.

That's a male bear. Yeah. It's a boar and a sow. Yeah. Just like a pig. So what with John and Jen up here, the target is older boars who have already done all their breeding, you know, and it keeps the population healthy because those big, nasty old boars, they'll go and they'll kill other cubs.

They want the sows to come and eat a sow as a female bear, and so if she has cubs but they're not his, he wants to kill the cubs so she comes back and eats. So that's pretty much how it works. Well, they think that boars will even kill their own cubs. They also think they don't know. The common thought was that boars kill cubs because they want the female to come back into estrus. But now they're starting to think that they just kill them for food.

That they, apparently in Alaska, they've done a lot of studies on grizzlies too. When they come out of hibernation, one of the first things they do is go digging into dens and pull out cubs and they're not trying to do that to breed they're trying to do that to eat and it's uh it's just they never show that on tv no they don't yeah i never saw that on yogi bear no that would yogi he wasn't doing stuff like that yeah they all do it it's there that's real world yeah that's how that's you know It's tough out here in the wild People don't realize it They're tricky animals They're really tricky animals

And it's one of the more dangerous hunts In that respect because you're hunting Something that can kill you It really can And when Jen and I were on the ground yesterday There was a bear that was nine yards From us, behind us us sneaking up on us trying to figure out what we're up to and it was it was weird you know turning around and seeing

this thing right behind you looking at you and you know 250 pound bear that could easily kill you easily if they wanted they're strong they're so fast too they're They're fast, strong people. You know, I've seen them basically get, they say, well, those big bear, they can't climb trees. I've seen big bear fly up a tree almost as fast as you could run on the ground. They can go up a tree. Then they can come down a tree. Then from about 10 feet, they'll come down to about 10 feet and just let go of the tree, launch backwards, hit the ground full speed. So it's just like people say, oh, well, just if you're getting a bear problem, just climb a tree. No, it's not going to work. Yeah, that's ridiculous. There's plenty of videos of them running up trees.

Yeah. And just the fact that they can hold a tree like this and go up, how strong, you know, how, that is just, that's just claws getting in that bark, and that's just pure power. And running up the tree. Yeah. They literally can sprint up a tree faster than you can run on the ground. It is one of the weirdest things to see. There's videos of it on YouTube if you want to look. There's these hunters that are in a tree stand, and this black bear runs up the tree right next to them.

And it's so shocking how fast he does it. He's just trying to see what they're up to. He just runs up the tree right next to them. And it's so shocking how fast he does it. He's just trying to see what they're up to. He just runs up to them and looks at them eye to eye. And, you know, these misconceptions about these animals. One of the big ones is that they're not good to eat. And I think that misconception a lot of times is because either people don't know how to prepare them or they they don't know how to take care of the meat once they kill it they let it get dirty or they let it spoil that's any animal yeah that's you know deer elk i i love when my meat's clean for lack of a better word but um you know deer elk i i don't know i just like

having a quarter that is perfect no pine needles no anything and it's just it looks like just beautiful meat well you know we we took great pains with your bear just to keep that meat clean and it's all in the it's all in how you take care of it in the field, how you skin it, how clean it stays, what you do with that meat. Because people who have eaten deer or elk have had bad taste in deer and elk too. It's not just bear, but I think another thing is people get worried about trichinosis. That's been in the news. It's a parasite that can live in bear meat. All you have to do is cook it well.

You just have to cook it to 160 degrees. It's the same with pork. You never eat pink, like really raw, rare pork. It's because of trichinosis. It's very common. But it's interesting. Bears have so much of it that 90% of all the cases of trichinosis in the United States or in North America come from bear meat,

which is really weird because not that many people eat bear. When you think about you can't buy it commercially like you can pork. You have to go hunt it or know someone who hunts it. But it still accounts for 90% of the trichinosis. And our friend Steve Rinella, who told me all these facts, got trichinosis. Even after all that, he still was eating over a campfire and didn't... I mean, you could see... It's on his episode with...

I forget the gentleman's name. I'm trying to remember his name. He's a Navy SEAL. And they went hunting together and they shot this bear, but it was raining out. And they tried to start a fire with wet branches and stuff. It's tough to get that fire hot and not in condition. Yeah. They should have just saved that meat brought it back but they ate it now if you eat if the zombie apocalypse comes and you eat steve ranella you will get trichinosis unless you cook them well i'm gonna make note of that you never know and one other one other thing people have i think with bear also i mean

hey not everybody hunts not everybody spends as much time as we do out in the woods here. So people don't see bear all the time. Yeah. You know, I have seen a lot of people, I've seen a lot of comments on my Facebook or social media. Even something like, I thought bear were in danger. Yeah. Or I get a lot of hate from freaking people in England who obviously don't know. Luckily, I don't cuss because I

could cuss right now. Well they always call you cunt. They do and and they don't what do they know about hunting over here but they sure have an opinion and it seems like a ton of people in England who are very fond of the C word like to chime in on why we bear hunt. Little penis, you little penis ego you're a small man what are you talking about this is part of management yeah you don't have so you don't have bear in england so why would you think you could weigh in on how we should take care of you know bear in this country but uh there's just you know most people that go to starbucks go hang out boat go buy groceries go to the movie you're not going to

see a bear or two in those situations so they think oh there must not be very many meanwhile these woods right here are loaded with them they're overrun with bears there's a lot of bears jen and i saw at least four that we well we heard one of them and we saw three different bears and this is over the course of we were there for for like, what, three hours at the most? And Cam, we've had nights where we saw more than that. I mean, there was that one night where bears were all over the place. We've seen seven, eight, nine bears in a night. That's not uncommon.

John and Jen up here, where in the country they hunt, they've had nights where they've seen 20 bears. And that's at one place, 20 bears. In a small location. Because you're talking about incredibly dense woods. And, you know, you're set up in a clearing. So in this small clearing, where you can only see, the very most you can see is like, get the hints of like 60 70 80 yards into the woods but everything it's just it's so dense that everything past like 70 yards is like you might see like a small black shadow that moves in between trees and you think it's a bear but you're like

what was is that a bear you see some movement you don't really it could be a deer it could be anything at that distance and in in that small area, you're seeing 20 bears. There's a lot of bears up here. And they decimate the moose population. They decimate the deer population. They literally will pull moose calves out of their mother's body as they're giving birth. They smell the animal giving birth. They run up to that area and they'll pull the calf right out of the body.

They estimate that at least 50% of all the calves that are born out here are killed by bears. Yeah. And I know John and Jen are just driving back in their bear country there. They saw a fawn. A lot of times if a fawn and a doe is with his fawn and it gets spooked a little bit the fawn will just is taught just to lay down and basically hide you know they don't have a lot of sin so they lay down and hide they got the spots cute little fawn everybody knows and the the doe its mother will take off well they watched a bear run right up see that happen run right up to that fawn and just start tearing it apart. And, you know, that happens. That was just something they visually saw.

That happens all over these woods right here. There's hundreds of thousands of millions of acres here in Alberta, this big, beautiful country, not a ton of people, lots of bear country, and that's happening all the time. So without those, keeping those bear numbers in check in check who knows the deer and the moose would just like you said would be devastated and you're barely going to keep those numbers in check no and we shot two of them and we had how many hunters in camp for how many days and we only shot two bears yeah no it's been a little slower this year but we're they're going to get some bear on the ground but one thing i also want to say so we talked about the bear numbers we talked about what it does to the deer not or deer actually elk also and moose populations

somebody's got to kill these bear who's going to do it it's only going to be hunters or you're going to hire the government i'll do it you'll do it you will do it yeah so you might not do it if you got an opinion on hunting or you're an anti-hunter or you're an animal rights extremist, so you don't want to, I'll do it. Because somebody has to. So quit being a baby and just accept the fact that we're going to take care of them for you. Just say thank you. If you don't, what happens is they get sick. And by the way, we're barely putting a dent in the population.

I mean, hunters, they put, they'll kill some, but if you could see around us how huge this area is and how thick the forest is, you'd realize there's very little chance of you ever wiping them out. I mean, it's almost impossible. They hear you coming a mile away. They smell you coming two miles away. Just like, you don't really stand a chance. smell you coming two miles away just like you don't you don't really stand a chance but if people are upset with hunting how do you deal with the fact that every convenience store you drive by has animals that were in captivity their whole life that were compressed into beef sticks and jerky and yeah slim gems it doesn't make any sense But here's one thing that I hear. Maybe you can address this.

I'm just a bow hunter, so I'm like on the intelligence ladder. I'm pretty low. How dare you? So they'll say. How dare you pull yourself down like that? I know what you're doing. So they'll say, well, you know, a cow. So you say factory farming.

All they're raised, they're in this small, they're in captivity their whole life, and all they're raised is just to be killed. Well, people will say, because we'll say, well, how's that life any different than this deer, elk, moose, bear, whatever out here? And they say, well, those animals, that's why they're here for support. Those animals are raised just to be slaughtered. So what do you say to that? Well, that's really silly. First of all, that's probably the saddest existence on earth.

An animal that's raised just for slaughter. And I used to think that, like, you know, man, you've just got to buy organic, free-range cattle. And those cattle are treated well. Until I went to my friend Doug's organic, free-range farm and was around his cows. And those fuckers are terrified of people. They know the deal. They know what's going on. We walked into the pen area where he keeps his cows.

And they look at you. They fucking panic. They huddle up together. They all run. They know what's going on. I mean, they might not intellectualize it. But they know we're bad news. You know, and they know we're the reason why they're penned in.

I mean, it's a large area. They're eating grass. And it's real healthy beef. If you want some free-range grass-fed beef, you can do no better. But it's not as healthy a life as a bear lives or an elk lives. Or a half a wood. Yeah. That's the most ideal, most ethical life for an animal that you're going to eat.

And if you don't want to eat animals, that's your prerogative. But you have to realize that even if you buy grain, anybody that buys grain, if you buy wheat, if you buy anything that grows in a field, that stuff is commercially harvested. And if you ever see how it's commercially harvested, they use giant machines. And those machines run over that field and they slaughter everything in their path. Rabbits. Everything. Rabbits, mice, gophers, any kind of rodents. There could be deer laying out there just like a fawn hiding and that just gets chopped up. It happens all the time.

Rick, show this field right here. Yeah, spin that sucker around. Just turn it. What are you doing? Panicking? See that? That is, now that is beautiful and, and that's agriculture at its finest. But to harvest that, animals are going to die.

Guaranteed animals will die. Yeah, I mean, the reality of modern life is that we need a lot of food. You know, I live in Los Angeles, and there's who knows how many people. There's like 20 plus million people plus Mexicans and we have no idea how many there are no disrespect to my Mexican friends

the idea is that I got rear ended by this guy the other day who was Mexican and he wasn't legal he didn't have a license he wasn't supposed to be in the country But there's a lot of them like that And so they don't have a count

Of how many people But all those people So that's all my point Was just that they don't have a count of it It's not that it's bad Because they come in illegally So they can just guess That it might be 5 million

It might be more They really don't know And out of those people They all need to eat And very few are growing food. So you need large-scale agriculture to feed those people. And so you're not picking individual wheat stalks out of the ground. You're not shucking corn yourself.

You go to the supermarket and buying it, and that involves large-scale agriculture, which, even if you're a vegan and you think you're doing no harm to this beautiful world, leaving the smallest footprint possible, satnam, namaste, you're not, man. You're a part of killing. It might be indirect killing or unintentional killing, but everyone's a killer. That's a fact. That goes with being at the top of the food chain. That brings me to another point you can talk about. We being at the top of the food chain. That brings me to another point you can talk about.

We are at the top of the food chain. Everything below us is to support our life. That's just the way it goes. So what do you say about species? Tell me about that. Oh, speciesism. Yeah, whatever it is. To be a speciesist.

Yeah, that's one of the most adorable things that animal rights activists love to pin on humans. By the way, they will swat mosquitoes. All those fucks. Speciesists. So is a mosquito alive? Yes, it is. But it doesn't count? No, it does not.

Okay. But meanwhile, in some countries, they eat mosquitoes. There's a lot of those. Yeah, man. I saw this place in Africa where they had so many mosquitoes that they were taking a frying pan and they were swinging this frying pan through the air

and in doing so, there's so many mosquitoes they're slapping them into the pan and then they would scrape the pan and make like a mosquito burger. I thought they were going to make malaria stew. Because that's a good way to get malaria if you're eating mosquitoes in africa

i think if you cook them good you don't have to worry about it but it's like trigonosis they make patties out of these mosquitoes it's really fucked up to watch because they have basically had this large pan and they're just swatting these mosquitoes until they have a good collection in the bottom of the pan then they scrape them why they do that they do that because they're hungry it's all it's a hard hard life there's no protein i mean for for natives over in africa a lot protein is like gold just finding something that's gonna sustain life protein you know we have burgers we have bear steaks they don't have that and it's interesting like when people go over to Africa, say if they kill a large animal in Africa,

there was a big thing recently, this woman killed a giraffe, and all these people were really angry at her because they killed this giraffe. This giraffe was a non-breeding giraffe. There was a danger to the other giraffes in the area. They killed this giraffe, and then this giraffe fed who knows how many villagers. Well, if you go over there and you bring them food, like you say, oh, well, we went over there and we brought these villagers a hundred meals of great protein. Oh, well, you're a good Samaritan.

But if you go over there and you shoot an animal and you give that animal to these villagers, you're a piece of shit because you're not supposed to shoot a giraffe. I think there's a bad disconnect that human beings have where we live in these civilized, huge metropolis areas and we get all of our food grown by other people and all shipped in. We have this massive disconnect for where food comes from. If you're delivering food to the home, like Jen, you were talking about one of the things that you guys did that was really cool, was you took meat when you went to Vegas. You guys flew from Canada to Vegas and you donated a bunch of meat to local shelters.

Yeah. I mean, I think that's amazing. I mean you did that out of the goodness of your own heart because you're really good people and you flew down. What was it what organization was it that you gave it to? It was actually Salvation Army in Vegas. We always follow them and we like to give stuff. We have a lot of extra. And we see that they had a meat shortage and we had an abundance. So by us hunting and our hunters hunting, we had an abundance of meat, so we decided we'd bring a couple hundred pounds down to the shelter down there, and it fed, I think, 500 or 600 people. That's amazing. And when you think about it, like, you guys paid to fly that stuff from Alberta

all the way down to Vegas and give it to those people, but there's still people that will disparage hunters because the way you got that meat is by shooting it yourself. We're crazy. It's a crazy thing. How many anti-hunters are doing stuff like that? Very few. For a fellow man.

Very few. I can see people saying, I'm not doing that. I'm not paying all that extra baggage. Most people wouldn't pay to have the meat shipped down there. You go through the extra. You're going to Vegas. You're going to Vegas. Who wants to haul meat to Vegas?

People who want to or people who care about fellow man and helping. And that's what hunters are. That's hunters. You know, I've seen it over and over again on my social media. I sell my bows or auction off my bows to help people who need help. Hunters have the biggest, most generous hearts of, you know, I guess I can't compare to everybody, sort of every other type of person, but hunters, man, on my page, have been so giving, so generous, and give, you know, tens of thousands of dollars really

just to help somebody they don't even know well i think people have a bad connection to hunters because in movies a lot of times hunters are portrayed as these rednecks who get drunk yeah and they go out shooting these animals and they're mean they don't care about them like like the hunter that killed bambi's mom. You know like this is this is how people portray hunters in a lot of ways and movies and cartoons and whatnot and You know unfortunately there are people like that in all walks of life. You're gonna. There's bad people and right and everything There's bad cops

But if you think about how many cops arrest people every day and how few instances actually get into the news of something going wrong, what people don't think about is how many good cops there are out there. It's predominantly good cops. You think about how many firemen get praised for what they do. It's rare. It's rare that people focus on the good aspect of things yeah people love to point out the flaws in one individual and attach that to

the entire collective group of people that participate in the same thing and that's you know that's what people do when it comes to uh hunters for whatever reason it's very convenient i mean i've had people give me shit about hunting and then i go to their instagram page and i see pictures of burgers and steaks and i'm like you fucking dummy you do you know what you're doing you're you're paying someone to do it for you if you're eating protein that comes from animals somebody had to die well it's just a fact the way the way i see it too is uh i don't know, it seems like hunters, I think it's very appealing to be a self-sufficient, not just man, human. Yeah.

Just to be somebody who can go out and say, hey, I'm going to go out, I'm going to provide for myself. I'm not going to rely on anybody. I'm not going to rely on somebody to stock that supermarket to make sure there's something for me to buy or to make sure McDonald's has burgers. If I need to, I'm going to go out. I'm going to provide for myself.

I'm going to survive out in the woods. I'm going to kill. I'm going to butcher. I'm going to process. I'm going to do the whole thing on my own. To me, that's appealing. Yeah. That's a big deal.

When I came up, it was kind of a transition into a man I felt like when I could do that I was just like that's part of becoming a man now I just see it I think it's just part of becoming a person you know because I see women doing the same thing and I just think it's empowering I think it's important it's empowering and it gives us perspective that people who haven't done that or can't do that don't have and even if you don't like hunting grow your own vegetables i mean growing your own vegetables you say grow grow grow your own balls no no because it's great it's hard to grow your own balls you either have them or you don't i mean i guess you know but kind of say they haven't dropped. That's what I say.

Oh, I see. I see what you're saying. Yeah, self-sufficiency is very underrated. I mean, it's the reason why all those prepper shows exist. It's not just because people are worried about the world ending. They want to know that they're okay without everybody else. They want to know that they're self-sufficient. And I think that when you have a meal that comes from an animal that you took from the wild yourself, that is a

very intense connection. The food that I cook at home, when I cook food from an animal that I killed, that is a very, very different feeling than going to the supermarket and buying something that comes wrapped in plastic and then bringing it home and have no connection whatsoever to turn it and look at these animals, Rick. Yeah, right here. All these animals around the field. This is where most people are getting their food from.

You're getting your food from these animals that are wandering around. Yeah, this is actually even better than most factory farms. I mean, way better. These things are out, they're actually eating some grass out there. Yeah, they're wandering around and this like... But still, way better. These things are out. They're actually eating some grass out there. Yeah. They're wandering around and this like, but still that's not running through the mountains. Yeah.

It's not nature. No. What we're doing is we're dipping our toes into the wild and then we come back with meat. Hey, what I was going to say is you talked about providing for your family. I mean, I think it's important. You put that,

the, your plate full of meat on the table and your wife and kids who think it's important you put that the your plate full of meat on the table and your wife and kids who don't hunt you know and you say your kids know daddy went out this is a berry killed yeah we're eating it yeah that's a big deal it is it is a big deal it's a good feeling it's a it's a feeling that's very difficult to describe the it's you can't recreate it. It doesn't come any other way. The only way you get that feeling is by going out into the wild and getting an animal,

killing it, taking care of it yourself, cutting it up, you know, and cooking it, and then eating it. And it's a weird connection to food that you don't get in any other way. And I never got until I hunted. I never felt like that about the food that I cooked ever because you've only been hunting now for since 2012 so I agree yes my first time not even the third year my first hunt was in November of 2012 so it's not quite even three years you know and I see I put up a picture of your bear today so you probably got a lot of hate by the way. More love than hate, believe it or not.

The tide has turned. It's because of these conversations and these arguments where people have to realize, you're not beyond criticism for your own life. And you're pointing this ignorant finger at people for hunting. Hunting ethically, legally, responsibly, morally doing the right thing, putting in the hours to practice, making sure that these animals are killed in a humane way. You're not doing that when you're going to McDonald's. You're just not. You are participating in this gigantic factory farming system where these animals are penned up in these horrible ways and you're

you're buying food from them and you think that you're morally righteous and that you're beyond criticism and it's foolish and it's part of that disconnect that we were talking about with food i don't think it's i don't think eating another life and not understanding that you're eating another life is even remotely healthy and it's one of the reasons why these people that are anti-hunters that also eat meat are so childish the the reason why they behave so child they say things like i hope someone hunts your family and then you look on their fucking instagram page and it's filled with dead animals filled filled with chicken cacciatore would that come from a fucking chicken plant?

You douchebag. No, it didn't. Chicken tree? Yeah. Did someone pluck it? Yeah, they plucked it. They plucked it with a fucking machine. It was dead.

Yeah. Had its head cut off. But, yeah, no. It's just, it's unhealthy. It's nice that we can do it. It's nice that, you know, some people have jobs that require a lot of time to take care of their family, and they have a lot of, I mean, you shouldn't be required to go out and get your own meat, but I think it would do a lot of people who do eat meat

a world of good to understand where your food actually comes from, because most of us are completely ignorant of it, and this is coming from my own personal experience. I didn't grow up a hunter. I didn't start hunting until I was 44 years old, or 45, I guess. I didn't know. You know, I knew that there was something wrong. Like, my thoughts on it were always that, like, this just feels weird. I knew that there was always some strange disconnect that I was sort of peripherally aware of.

So did you have an opinion on hunters? Did you have a negative opinion on hunters before you became, quote, one of us? No, I never had a negative opinion. I've been watching hunting shows for a long time. I always fished. I've been a fisherman since I was a young kid. I used to fish every day when I was fished. Yeah. You know, I've been a fisherman since I was a young kid. And, you know, I used to fish every day when I was real young, before I got into martial arts. I loved fishing.

And I would eat my own fish. And I always felt it was very satisfying to catch a fish and then cook it for dinner and then feed my parents and my sister. I'd feed them the fish I caught. I loved it. It's very satisfying. But, you know, I didn't have anybody to take me hunting. I didn't know. I didn't know where to turn, you know. And until I went hunting with Rinella, I'd just been thinking about it for the longest time

and talking about it and trying to figure out how to go about doing it. But, you know, I'm busy. It's hard for me to venture into new things like that and i i feel like in that way a lot of people can relate yeah most people that are listening a lot of comments like that yeah people want to get into it or or because they've heard us talk on the podcast they got their first bow and now they want to transition into becoming a hunter you know it's appealing but it's a it's it's a big process i mean it's it's not impossible but it takes time for sure well there's some outfitters that will specialize in that like

mike hawkridge and from big country outfitters the guy i shot my moose with he's done a lot of that where he he'll take someone who's never shot an animal before they might not have even ever shot a rifle before and he'll take them through all the steps. He'll show them this is the safety. This is how you put a bullet in the chamber. This is what you want to make sure the gun is resting on your shoulder. He'll take them through all the steps, gun safety, the whole deal, teach them how to fire the gun, teach them where to hit on the animal, teach them how to pull the trigger, how to breathe,

and then you know take them out and try to get them to harvest their first animal well that's that's to me you know so this is like i guess that next level but that's one reason why i love coming up here with john and jen because for a bow hunt this is a great first like beginning type bow it's still super intense but it's it's more controlled in that you're not going to have a long shot it's generally going to be pretty close there's a number of animals so you're going to have opportunity and so i like to promote this i like to be up here with a lot of new hunters i like to bring people i've shared you know now two years with you watch you kill

bear watch you go from not ever having killed anything with the boat to now killed three black bear with your bow and that that means a lot for me personally that means i mean i didn't kill a bear on this trip i didn't i hunted one day last night no big deal all i know is i see a camp full of people who have never bear hunted i see you i see guys who are just so excited to have their hopefully taste their first hint of success in the bear woods and to me that means ten times more than if I would have killed a bear on this trip and that's this hunt is I think a perfect precursor to a long bow hunting career because it sets you

up for success and that's that's why I love it up here yeah well one of the reasons why this place is so packed up here is because of you and your social media presence and because of this passion that you have for spreading hunting and letting people know, first of all, letting people know how great John and Jen are, how awesome their outfitting business is. It's just like if you couldn't pick a better place to be as far as the the quality of the people I mean John and Jen their family are amazing. They're just so cool and

This place that they have is just so special. It's it mean even we're just driving around right there. Oh wow yeah When we're just driving around and we're you know looking at the woods like God. It's so beautiful up here Yeah, it's just it's. It's an amazing place. And that passion that you have for bowhunting is what leads all these people to this camp. I mean, everybody at camp yesterday had keep hammering hats on and ramp it up shirts on. I mean, they're all like Cameron Haynes' disciples. And that message that you're spreading is very positive and infectious and and I've seen it like last year I mean this year we left before this current group we got there before them and we're

leaving before they've had success yet but they've seen a lot of bears these people saw bears for the first time in their life and they had these looks on their face like Jen and I drove by this guy named randy uh yesterday and he was uh telling us i saw five bears five bears came near the dude had saucer eyes because he's out there in the woods by himself uh sitting in this tree stand and these bears are all around him and he's just mesmerized by this experience. It's intense. Yeah, it really is. So there's a camp full of guys just like that. One of them, Ed, Ed and Kay Westbrook are up here,

and I think Ed, he hasn't killed a bear yet, but I'm pretty sure he told John that already the hunt was everything he'd hoped it would be. He hasn't killed a bear, but just the camaraderie, the camp life, the discussions, the people. I don't know. It's all so positive, and I feel very proud just to be a small part of it. Well, you're a large part of it, and I think a large part of the quality of the people that are coming to these trips is because of it. It's so true. Well you're a large part of it and I think a large part of the quality of the people that are coming to these trips is because of you. You know it's because these people are fans of yours and they like the way you carry yourself and the passion that you have for hunting. And I found that when people have passion for things, for anything, that passion is infectious. You know like I get into people like that are really passionate about making cabinets. I like watching. I watched a guy make knives the other day online. I was watching this knife maker.

He was hammering the steel. I don't want to make a knife. I'm not making any fucking knives. He was into it. So you were into it. Exactly. His passion was infectious. People love when people are into things because we know that that feeling is a great feeling. The feeling of being really passionate about something is a great feeling and you have a deep passion a deep

connection to bow hunting and i have it now too and i have it because of you that's awesome yeah i i loved it you said that i think last night we we came in late last night to swan hills i think two in the morning maybe and you were still talking about just how much you love bow hunting. 2 in the morning, long day, we've had a long week, and still that excitement. Yeah, I love it. It's amazing. It's very intense, it's very primal, it's very rewarding, and it's very, very exciting. You know, it's also, there's a lot of discipline involved.

Keeping yourself calm when you're at full draw on an animal, and you know this is the moment. You know, this is the moment you've been practicing. This is the moment you've shot thousands and thousands of arrows over and over again. And in that moment of releasing that arrow when you're practicing you're not thinking about anything else other than that arrow hit that target and there's a very zen quality to that that i think a lot of people um aren't aware of so even if you don't want to hunt god get into archery yeah archery is an amazing discipline and it's an amazing

practice like a meditation in a lot of ways. Yeah, it is. Like that shirt that you sell. I love that shirt. The depressed face plus archery equals a smiley face. Happy face. Yeah, it's pretty simple. That's the math I'm good at right there.

Yeah. Well, I do want to say, so next year we're going to do the same camp again, and it's just amazing. And even guys who have killed bear before, this isn't just for a first-time type bow hunt, because I've killed a lot of bear, and I still live for this hunt. And what I do, I like getting on the ground. You know, as you know, that's kind of what people who, like first-time hunters, I think it's a good idea to get up in the tree stand watch the bear come in see how they react learn how to sex them which means determine whether they're a boar or sow that takes a little bit of practice so it's a good idea to get up in that stand and just kind

of get into the bear hunting mindset you know we come out from this busy life all of a sudden you're in the bear woods planting the bear woods and it's just new, so intense, it's, it's a big deal, so, but once you've done that, we, I like hunting on the ground, I like being eye to eye with these things, and there's always, there's going to be a risk, there's, there's a risk in everything, but I just, I, I feel like, I feel like that's living, a little. Living on the edge a little bit is kind of my motif, I guess. And it's a whole different deal being on the ground, huh? Yeah, it's very intense. There's very rare moments that you get in life where you can be...

Jen and I were nine yards behind. I mean, this bear was behind us. Was it even nine yards? I think it was a bit closer. Yeah, probably closer than nine yards to a predator, an apex predator. North America's, you know, bears are at the top of the food chain out there besides people. And the only reason why we're at the top of the food chain is because all the things that we described, the practice and the archery.

The weapon. The weapon. reason why we're at the top of the food chain is because all the things that we described the practice and archery the weapon the weapon you know it's a there's a rare moment to be there with these animals and there's something cool even besides the hunting I'm just being there watching them yeah we watched those fight yesterday there was one boar was chasing the other boar away and they don't fuck chase each other through the woods. And that wasn't Sasquatch? No, no. And that wasn't a death moan? No, Sasquatch was, whoo. That sounded different that time.

No, it was different. Well, he's different all the time because he's not real. Gotcha. Okay. You can come up with a different sound for Sasquatch any day. I mean, you can make him sound like Woody Whitbecker if you wanted to. Maybe that's what he really sounds like. We don't know.

Love that. Let's check in with Les. The point is that the experience is awesome regardless of the hunting. The hunting makes it even more awesome. It compounds the awesomeness. Just being out there, I know we're joking around about it, it's just great being out there. But it really is great just being out there. But the goal is always to get an animal. Yeah, that's why we're here. Well, the goal, I guess, I mean, I didn't get one this trip.

I killed one a couple weeks ago. So I still feel satisfied. You know, I mean, obviously I wanted to kill a bear, but I'm not just going to kill a bear just to kill a bear. I want to kill the right bear. But for me, I like getting on the ground. I like being close. I like, you know, I had experiences where I had a bear i want to kill the right bear but for me i like i like getting on the ground i like being close i like you know i had experiences where i had a bear right up a tree straight above me and i just had my knife there and uh that's that's the type of stuff i remember

yeah no animal was harmed in the making of that experience that's memorable to me still well we showed up and there was a bear asleep in the tree. Yeah. The bear had climbed the tree and was just chilling up in the tree. And, you know, we don't know how it got there. It could have been a large bear chasing up a tree, which is really common. Because there's some enormous, enormous bears out here. And when they get to, like, 500 pounds, can they still try to climb trees?

Yeah, they'd have a hard time climbing a tree that way. But up to, you know, 300 pounder could fly right up there. Maybe a 500 would be tough. There's some that John and Jen have seen out here that are 8 feet plus. The biggest one they've got is more than 8 feet. Bigger than grizzly. Yeah. I mean, that's a gigantic black bear.

But that's what's walking around these woods. And one thing that's crazy about bear, especially when it's sitting on the ground, you cannot hear these things. They don't have hooves like a deer and elk that are breaking sticks and whatnot. They have soft pads. I mean, I've sat and turned around, and right behind me, there's...

I'll make sure our bag's still back there, but right behind me is a bear. I had no idea it was there. Yeah. And it's... They are so quiet and can you know just they are they're like black ghosts out there in the shadows of this these thick woods it's intense it's awesome it's it's amazing and again the food like that you get from it is delicious i've

argued with people to death about this they They say bear is bad to eat. You really don't know what you're talking about. You can find bear that can taste a little funky if they've been eating a rotten carcass or something like that. That's all they've eaten for like a few weeks. But most of them, their diet is filled with a lot of different stuff besides eating ground nesting birds and any other animal they catch and kill, they eat a lot of roots and a lot of vegetables. Grass.

They find grass. A lot of grass. Berries. Berries. Apparently, I haven't had this before, but what everybody says is that bears in the fall, when they find a berry patch and they stock up on berries, they'll eat nothing but berries for weeks. It's the most delicious meat in the world yeah ronella says it's like the best meat you'll ever have in your life like it's incredible yeah and it's just because they their body actually smells like blueberries their fat is blue like

they get like a blue hue like a purple hue to their that would sell if you so you they sell grain fed beef right yeah if you could sell blueberry fed bear yeah now that would be good and again what you were saying before about bears people not seeing a lot of bears it's one of the reasons why they get angry at you for eating them they think that there's something wrong with eating something that you don't eat all the time but people have been eating bears forever it's just it doesn't happen in los angeles you know it's just rare you kid they don't have a commercial presence as meat right so you know you could buy venison at a lot of restaurants venison is not out of the people understand that

people hunt and kill deer because it's the most popular animal to hunt in america people see deer all the time all the time yeah it's normal and a lot of times people get mad because, you know, if they live in overpopulated areas, well, you were just telling me that, you know, there was a story near you where a guy died. Yeah, no, another vehicle hit a deer on the road just like this. Deer flew up and went right in through a cargo van's window, killed the driver. 37 years old, that happened back home. So people get mad because deer they hit deer they kill a deer but they screw up their car yeah like damn dear well if you live in an area that has ticks and deer that carry Lyme disease too it can be horrible I know a bunch of people that

have done that they've gotten Lyme disease from from ticks another one Ronella got he got fucking Lyme disease too he got Lyme disease from ticks. Another one Rinella got. He got fucking Lyme disease too. He got Lyme disease, Giardia, Trichinosis. He's going for the big slam of diseases that you get from game animals. That's impressive.

Yeah, some people go for super slams like they try to get all the North American sheep. Well, it's a good diet too for him. He's crazy. He's done a lot of wacky shit. You got worms, bacteria, and parasites living in you. You're not going to be overweight.

That's true. You got a lot of stuff you got to feed. The kid is ripped, too. You got to give him credit for that. But I think that in closing, we'll probably wrap this up, but I just want to thank you for being my mentor for this whole bow hunting experience. It's been really, really rewarding, and I really, really appreciate it, man. Thank you.

Because without you, it would have taken me years and years and years and years to fuck it up. Well, like I said, it's been fun sharing it with you and watching the journey and being part of it. It's very rewarding for me as well. It's really rewarding for me to be able to talk about this and then to see these guys in camp that have heard us talk about this. A bunch of those guys that came to camp this week had heard our podcast before, and we're really excited to come up here to hunt with John and Jen because of that because they want in on this and you know they got in on it yeah and it's a limited amount of people I mean John and Jen work hard their family work hard but there's only so many people

they can accommodate it's just there's not that much space in the woods like as far as like how many different areas they've cleared out to hunt and not that many people that they have they all it's all family business I mean we talk about a family business their children all work there I mean it's a total family business so there's only a certain amount of people that they can accommodate so if you're interested in this what's the website Jen live in the dream productions calm and you got to get in on as quick as you What's the website, Jen? Liveinthedreamproductions.com Liveinthedreamproductions.com And you've got to get in on it as quick as you can Because this year sold out just after last year's hunt was over

Yeah, and we'll probably do a couple camps like this Like we did this year I try to come in at the end of the week The first week and then beginning of the second week Do an overlap of two different weeks And we just have a good time so we'll probably do something similar you can get a hold of uh john or jen on facebook instagram you can get a hold of me and uh i'll tell you how to make it happen but uh i'm i'm down for new bow hunters uh new bear hunters and just you know sharing this

experience with as many people as i can and if if you're interested in archery, find a local archery shop. Almost everyone who is involved in selling archery equipment is an archery enthusiast. It's very difficult to not be an enthusiast once you get into it, and a lot of those places offer lessons. And if they don't offer lessons, they connect you with someone who offers lessons. Go there and learn how to shoot a bow and and and get some practice in it's a great hobby to have and even if you have no desire whatsoever to go hunt it is a great hobby to have and like i said it's like it's like a real form of meditation it's spiritual there's a spiritual aspect to watching an arrow fly towards a target and hit right

where you want it to. It's changed my life. It's powerful. And I think these things like whether it's the hunting aspect, the feeding, the satisfaction that you get from feeding yourself and feeding your family with this meat and even archery itself, I think there's

a primal reward system that's built in our DNA because for thousands of system that's built in our dna because for thousands of years that's how people yeah acquired food yeah we're as you said we're not designed to sit in cubicles yeah you know we're designed to take on big challenges our bodies are designed we can prepare our bodies and minds and spirit for the ultimate test and this just gets us that much closer to what what why why humans are designed the way we are and if you follow cam on instagram cameron r haynes you'll see this is not just something he does like a couple days a year where he takes a bunch of people out this is something

he lives all year round to prepare himself for i mean cam is constantly updating his Instagram because he's constantly running and lifting, working out, and getting his body prepared to be able to take on the challenges of these tough hunts. Especially like the elk hunt that we're going on in September. It's not easy. You're climbing mountains and you're bringing back hundreds of pounds of meat if you're successful and if you're successful you're successful because you put in thousands of hours of shooting arrows and practice and without that there is no success and I think that's also a great thing that you provide you provide a lot of inspiration to people because you live it you're not you're not just out there running your mouth talking trying to pump people up you can do it you're out there

doing it and you're saying come do it with me yeah exactly i'm not a special person you know you're not a special person we're just people that are out there doing it and you can do it too yeah well thank you thanks for uh this is kind of an impromptu podcast yeah i think it turned out pretty good it's great we're driving to the airport right now to leave the dream and head back to the civilized nightmare. But it's been a great time, and I had a blast. I can't wait to do it again next year. Good job. All right, brother.

Bye, everybody. See you. Thank you, everyone, for tuning into the podcast. And thank you to our sponsors. Thank you, everyone, for tuning into the podcast. And thank you to our sponsors. Thank you to Ting. Go to rogan.ting.com and save yourself 50 bucks, you savages. Thanks also to Blue Apron. Blue Apron, yummy, delicious food that you can cook yourself very simply, quickly, and easily.

Go to blueapron.com forward slash Rogan and the first two meals are free. So go to blueapron.com forward slash Rogan and check it out. Thanks also to onnit.com. Go to O-N-N-I-T. Use the code word Rogan and save 10% off any and all supplements.

All right, my friends. Thank you so much for all the love. Bye-bye. Big kiss.