The Joe Rogan Experience - Podcast In Paradise

Episode Date: June 16, 2017

This episode is currently only available as audio. Joe does a podcast with friends Ben O'Brien, John Dudley, Sam Soholt and Shane Dorian while on a bow hunting trip in Hawaii.

Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out! The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day! And we're live in paradise, ladies and gentlemen. To my left, powerful bit O'Brien. Lad, how are you? Wonderful. Top of the morning to you. To his left,

powerful Sam Suholt, the maker of the great bus, the hunting bus. Jesus. To his left, powerful John Dudley, archer extraordinaire and teacher of many great people.

And to his left left big wave surfer Shane Dorian we're all here in Lanai we've been on this epic bow hunting trip and we figured we'd grace you fine folks with a podcast we've had a couple

of beverages we're out here enjoying the beach and having a great fucking time. Boys? Amazing time. I can't say enough about it. What are you doing? Are you Instagram storing this? Of course.

John Dudley is Insta-storing this. We're going to do what's called a swap cast. This will be available on my podcast and John will get a copy of it too. So it will be on Knock On, which is the premier archery podcast. If you're not listening, you're probably not really slinging arrows, are you? Well, they'll sling it. Just not doing them correctly. Actually, I had a guy.

He tagged me, you, and Cam in his picture, and he had eBayed a Hoyt. I don't know if you saw that picture, but he tagged us both, and he was holding up this bow, and he said, it's about ready to get effing serious. I mean, this guy never shot. He finally got one off eBay. The JRE listeners, they are getting into some bows. So eBay bow prices are going up. Neighbors insurance policies are also going up. There's a lot of dogs that are hiding under the porch. Based on

this hunt, arrow prices, broadhead prices, and-priceless country prices are all going up. So let's explain this place because this place is – Shane, you talked about it on my podcast, and it is maybe the epic bow hunting destination on the planet Earth. The cat's going to be out of the bag after everybody hears this, huh? That's the problem, right? We should shut up. We should say, listen, whatever you do, don't go to Lanai. Because it sucks. People are not friendly.

The weather sucks. It's ugly to look at. There's no deer. There's zero deer. They ran out of beer like two days ago. They ran out of beer. Tequila's gone. And the tequila only comes in once a month.

And they bring in a rowboat. It's just in shooter sizes. Yeah, and an angry sailor drops it off at the beach. You have to go get it. Yeah, it is like one of those tricky things where it's like you have to think, how much do I really want to talk about this? Well, if you're a hunter, you appreciate it. If you're not a hunter, you're thinking, what the hell?

If it's cool, talk about it. But it's, you know, when I came, when I flew in, I actually asked a guy on the plane. I said, is there any cool places to like try to surf? I said, because I'm actually wanting to get some lessons on how to surf. And the guy said, well, I don't know if you're gonna have anyone good to teach you on this island I said well I've got a pretty good guy coming in and he said well if there are good waves no one here would actually tell you where they are so it's relevant to what we're doing right yeah yeah have a

good thing that's a problem right almost you want to tell everyone how cool it was this is him dude what's that guy's name shout out his name what does it say your friend gavin your friend gavin that's hilarious good for him yeah you're the guy with the bow yeah check him out your friend gavin 100 enthusiasm right there yeah gavin just gave you a big shout out bro thanks for getting into archery that's legit don't shoot your neighbor or his dog yeah definitely go to a safe area well Well, that's really a problem.

There's not enough safe areas. I mean you would think that L.A. with a place that has 20 million plus people plus Mexicans, I think there's – What? Is that him? There should – the numbers. Like how many humans? There should be more archery spots. There's a few spots.

There's like maybe in the entire Los Angeles metropolitan area, there might be four or five. Impact Archery is a big spot. You go down there, right? That's San Diego? I go to – Bob Prom? Yeah, there's one called Performance Archery. Oh, Performance.

Where's Impact? Oh, it's really good. What's Impact Archery? Impact is – crap, I forgot his name. He's mad. One's Bob Prom. Is that Vegas? Yeah, that's Bob Prom. Oh, Impact is, crap, I forgot his name. He's going to be mad. Is that Vegas? Yeah, that's Bomb Rob.

Oh, Impact is in performance. Is that the Vegas spot? This is a terrible time to really pin me down on. I would Google it, but we're recording this podcast through my phone. I think that's the place we go to in Vegas. I'm pretty sure it is, in fact. I mean, feel free to Google it. Impact Archery in Vegas. I live in Austin, Texas. I mean, feel free to Google it. Impact Archery in Vegas.

I live in Austin, Texas. We've got one bow shop that's worth anything. I think you have a new place though, right? Isn't there a spot? Archery Country. It's been around for a while, but it's under new ownership. It's pretty crazy. Pretty good. There's millions of people. Do you not have the Google app here? I'm looking at your phone. I'm so confused because I'm used to my phone.

You just go to Safari and type on the top. What is this mess? This mess. Impact Archery. For those of you listening, we're actually in Joe Rogan's room. Looking out. There's a pair of binoculars here.

They suck. Which actually suck. But we're looking. If we look across that way like 2,000 miles. How many miles is it? 6,000 miles to Tokyo. 6,000 miles to Tokyo. That's what Mario told us. I'm so glad we have Shane Dorian in here because he's got the true logistics.

Last night we had an amazing beach cookout. I can't say enough about that. We probably should tell, without really giving a whole bunch of eye details, how this became a thing. Like how the hunt became, where the conversation began. I'm going to play this because... Let's set the stage so here i'm gonna go way back way before this what you're about to hear and we apologize for what you're about to hear um shane and i hunted together in new zealand last year yeah around this time and as we're tooling around new zealand

hunting he mentions like when we're talking about hawaii we're talking about elk hunting we're just kind of covering all the best spots in the world and he said something to me like lanai is the best deer hunting you'll ever find like bar none there's nothing different and you're like bullshit and i was bullshit i'm checking it out i'm checking it out um and then you said the same thing on joe's podcast and Dudley heard the same thing. So Dudley and Joe and I were having a nice dinner in Vegas. Yeah. A lovely dinner. Lovely dinner.

With Joe's friend Andy Stump. Shout out to Andy for crashing our dinner in the most epic way possible. So we're having dinner. Andy orders about, I want to say, half a dozen tequila shots. We get a little bit excited. Then he orders say half a dozen tequila shots. We get a little bit excited. Then he orders a half dozen more tequila shots. And then he finishes it off with six more tequila shots. So at that point, we came up with this.

This was actually our FaceTime to Shane Dorian. But we wanted to send, we really feel like. He wouldn't answer, so we actually recorded this. We wanted to send... We really feel like... He wouldn't answer, so we actually recorded this. We wanted to send a message. So here was the message to Shane Dorian. Shane Dorian, we're looking to come to Hawaii and experience Axis deer hunting on the 9th. Definitely.

Yeah, I fucking want to do it. The plan is 6 a.m. to noon. Ashes deer whacking. Noon 2 until we fall asleep. Food and drink. Are you in, big wave surfer? Yeah. First of all, listening to that while fairly sober, it's amazing how slow my voice was.

I was clearly, like if I was talking to a cop, if I was a cop, I'd just throw me right in jail. You were wrestling those syllables like there were crocodiles. Crocodiles are too grippy. It would be more like some sort of a slimy eel i had this uh someone sent me this message on my phone years ago it was a cartoon they redid the car the original remember the rudolph cartoon or the original rudolph thing that everyone want to watch the night yeah where's the bottle opener they're so stressed out just looking for the bottle opener it was uh a clay animation of that santa claus being pulled

over for drunk driving but he had a bunch of coke in his sleigh have you guys ever seen it no he's like what's wrong off the fur it was hilarious but He's like, what's wrong, Othifer? It was hilarious, but that's pretty much how this whole hunt started. It was a very... It was a Santa Claus? Yes. Well, we were in Vegas for SHOT Show, and one of the cool things about SHOT Show is you get down there, and there's a bunch of other people that are into hunting, and everybody starts talking. They're like, man, we've got to man we gotta do something we gotta figure out a hunt

and uh look this is we got one more day tomorrow morning this couldn't be oh you guys are gonna hunt this afternoon i can't because i'm here with the family and i have multiple obligations but um next time i might have to leave them behind. I didn't say that. Jessica, if you're listening to this. I think that this is like one of the coolest places on earth where you can bow hunt. It really is. It's a classic picture. It's hard to beat it.

It really is. I mean, you can just empty your quiver in an hour. Or be. It's epic, right? Tons of deer, lots of action, perfect bowline terrain. Yeah, in all seriousness, once you're here, you feel like, man, this is an important place. These kind of places are important for hunting. Yeah, there's just not a whole lot of spots like this on the planet that are pristine.

I mean, it's hard to get here. That's one of the beautiful things about it. It's easy to get here. That's one of the beautiful things about it. It's easy to get to Honolulu. It's a little more difficult to get to Maui. It's way more difficult to get here. That's what keeps people from coming, I guess. It's such a cool story, though, to the island.

The island was originally really the revenue came from pineapples. It was a pineapple plantation. My knuckles are bloody. i don't know if your guys are from crawling around my knees and my knuckles are bloody but um everywhere you go there's like little one inch wide plastic pipe on the ground that was all the irrigation all the you know all the irrigation for the pineapples. And he told us today that they actually, um, they buried that plastic. Um,

a lot of the black plastic that you see where they've now ground, grounded up because they took the pineapples out. He said the plastic was seven feet under the top of, under the top of the soil so that the moisture stayed between the top of the soil and the plastic so that the pineapples would actually grow that's interesting because everywhere you walk you do see that black and he said they tried to get rid of it but he said it was seven feet under the top soil like wild yeah pineapple Isles that is Pineapple Island is what, you know, the reference

is for the, you know, for the island, but axis meat historically has been argued as the most pure tasteful meat on the planet. It's so delicious. Just what they serve at the hotel, those

axis meat sliders. It's pretty cool because here at the hotel when they say venison burgers back in the states when they say venison we're thinking whitetail but here when they say venison it it specifically is axis that's native to the island and everything that they're serving here at the hotel is axis yeah let's let's talk about that real quick because when you get venison in america you're mostly getting it from new zealand you're getting venison that is commercially raised a tremendous amount of elk and venison that you buy in america comes from new zealand because they

classify elk as a medicine too yeah i think they do sometimes yeah deer is venison all deer i didn't know that but when i went to a restaurant i went to a restaurant that's near my house. And this guy, it's a really nice restaurant. And they're like, we have elk from New Zealand. They're making it like it's a big deal. I'm like, oh. You brought it all the way over there. This poor elk are in some high fence bullshit operation.

Okay. Okay. Congratulations. Stacy, this elk tastes like sadness you bring it over a slave that you shot in the head no i mean there's the red deer and the stag um it's not elk in new zealand it's it's red deer yeah stag and they're farmed over there like cattle yeah and they're shipped not only to the states less to the states and more to europe and germany places like that well one thing that that place has in common with this place is no predators. New Zealand and Lanai, it's a very strange situation where they brought over these animals that are not native.

Whether it's in New Zealand, there's the stag and then there's red deer and a few other different – they have pigs in New Zealand? Yeah. They do now? Yeah. All those animals are invasive. So they go crazy and they have to control their populations. When I was down there, we were talking about the difference between the states and here. And they were talking about their need to...

The outfitter community there wants to make money, of course. But they also want to conserve and protect that population of wildlife. Their problem is the population on that island doesn't value the wildlife. They see them all as feral. I mean, they see chamois, and they see tar, Himalayan tar, and they see

red stags as a feral population or a non-native mammal that they shoot at. And so they jump in a helicopter and they fly mammal that they shoot at and they so they jump in a helicopter they fire around they shoot these animals and and what these guys are saying is at this point they might as well be indigenous i mean these are the animals that we have here we need to protect them and treat them like a resource and value them which gives them a better chance to live on well the tourism in new zealand how much of it is based on hunting it's got to be quite a chunk of

it good chunk of it, but what they've done over there, I think, not to put a negative spin on it, but they take a lot of our American sensibilities, because I think most clients that go over there, some European but the bulk of them are American, they've taken our American sensibilities and they've kind of turned it

against us a little bit. There's a lot of high fence red stag, there's a lot of come down here and shoot this $20,000 animal which is akin to throwing back to our trophy hunting. But there's also a lot of public land and there's a lot of awesome places to hunt which I think more folks are starting to find out.

There's a lot of both. That's just kind of like the dirty little secret of theirs. There's a lot of high fence, like every single one of those really big red stags that everybody sees and goes, wow, look at that New Zealand stag. It's the same thing in South Africa. They're all in farms. Yeah. Yeah.

They're all like, you know, bred. Not to say it's completely a negative thing, but like. But it's weird. It's weird. It's a different mentality. And it's also, at the same time, you're looking at an island that has so much diverse public lands. I mean, you can be in the center of the South Island.

It looks like high desert Nevada. You can go to the East Coast and it looks like the Brooks Range of Alaska, where we were last year, Shane. Yeah. And then you go to the West Coast, and it looks like Jurassic Park. And New Zealand, they don't have any tags, and you can kind of, like, you can hunt a goose with a rifle, right? I don't know about any goose rifle tags, but yes.

There's no tags there's some areas where there are paradise ducks what's a paradise duck? so it's a it's a really cool looking waterfowl bird that like

a ton of the major waterfowlers like go down there to shoot those specifically they go down they want to shoot the pair is it bad that I want to eat one when I hear its name? my paradise duck

is that on the menu? tastes like pineapple and mango I'll be the judge of that I'll be the one when I hear its name? My paradise duck. Is that on the menu? It tastes like pineapple in mayonnaise. I'll be the judge of that. It sounds... But it's like here. It compares to here. These islands are closed ecosystems. So whatever you drop in here stays here. Unless these

axis deer in this case, or the red stags, learn how to swim. This is a big 140 square miles of high fence. Whoa, look at that duck. That's crazy. Showing a paradise duck. Yeah, this is an audio-only podcast, the rare audio-only podcast, ladies and gentlemen. That's a cool-looking duck, though, man.

It looks like a chicken fucked a duck. Doesn't it? Like a rooster was like, bitch, I'll show you who's boss it's a big Ducks he's a big thing for sure we were there last year when opening ducks and actually that's way cooler when it's in flight because you get to see the full color Wow well how beautiful these axis deer? Amazing. I actually – The height is crazy.

Well, Sam, you're a photographer. Yeah. I mean it's like photographing them is next level. I mean I've shot – I mean shot photos of a ton of elk and deer, like whitetail and mule deer and all sorts of stuff. But like it's so hot that the fur is so thin. It just – like the entire thing looks sleek and like the spots and everything. It's just – it's crazy. And for a little history on sam sam

and ben and i met up in bc was it was almost three years ago right three years ago closing on we were talking about some stories we had a great time we had a great time in bc but that epic cover of peterson's hunting magazine with me carrying that elk or the moose leg. Did you take that picture? Yeah. Yes, you did. Sam's a badass photographer. Actually, for my school, I want like a signed picture from you. Oh, yeah.

That's the one I want. Can I get that? I'll send you the real file. I would love that. Yeah, I'll send you the real file. Sam, what's your Instagram page? Because you've got a lot of awesome photographs. Yeah, it's just my name, so it's just at Sam Soholt.

S-O-H-O-L-T. Soholt. Soholt. And then you can see the epic bus. Sam's got the bus rolling. Yeah. That is so cool. Explain that bus because that bus is so cool.

We were talking about it at lunch today. Yeah. So I bought a 1993 65 passenger Bluebird school bus. Junior year, baby. I like how the year matters. It's like 1993. I like that. I think that's a part of the story.

Well, he got a sweet deal. George Bush's second term. No, yeah, I did get a sweet deal. Found it on Craigslist just south of Fort Collins, Colorado. And basically bought it

almost directly from a school district. But they had totally rebuilt the engine and transmission. So it's, like, ready to go. Yeah. How many miles did it have on the rebuild? So on the body, it was 189,000, and then 20,000 miles on the rebuild. So did you have to do any suspension work or axles?

I mean, it's pretty stiff. Oh, I'm sure. It's a little bumpy. Where are we going on it where do you want to go he's got bunk beds i want to go i'll be able to sleep five in the bus yeah i'm also going to have a 10 by 20 wall tent that sits up next to it so we can sleep as many as we want and the wall tent you're going to have hot water that pumps into the wall tent so you could actually take showers yeah so i'm gonna have a wood stove in the wall tent, you're going to have hot water that pumps into the wall tent so you can actually take showers. Yeah. So I'm going to have a wood stove in the wall tent to warm it up. And then the hot tankless hot water heater will be connected to the end of the kitchen.

And I'll run it out the window so you can take a hot shower in a heated wall tent. And you talked about this while we were in BC. Yeah. So the bus idea. Oh. The bus idea. I didn't know that. So the original idea was to do like a

12 state turkey tour in a bus My brother and his business partner and I like came up with this scheme and then like it just ate at me like I was Like I need to get a bus People have ever said that I need to get a bus You know like driving down the road and one would drive by. And every one, I was like, oh, it's a good-looking bus. It's such a good idea, though, for getting around and going hunting, doing hunting trips. Yeah, and it's going to be – so I ripped all the seats out and totally converting it into my little hunting shack.

It's an awesome idea. Yeah, so spending the next year in a bus. Isn't that funny how when you get something in your head that you are really into, and then you start walking into it, and other people are like, what the fuck is wrong with you? For me, it's like 1990s, 80s series Land Cruisers. Because it's the last years where they had the front and rear solid axles, and those trucks can drive anywhere.

And they're not glamorous. They don't look good but those fuckers never die you go everywhere you see 80 series land cruisers they're indestructible yes of course there is those solid axles dude you'll find them on ebay with fucking 200 000 miles on them and they're 50 grand yeah you know or maybe 30 i might have exaggerated it's yeah well but they they are man i mean they're like there's something about those and so i'd be like that's that's an 80 series my wife be like the fuck is wrong with you it's an old toyota i'm like no no it's an old land cruiser Do you understand? There's a time where they were making these fucking cars that will go on forever.

And then they figured out you don't make any money making cars that go on forever. People drive them for 30 years. That's the same thing they figured out in Europe though when it comes to gas. You go there and like our Toyotas there they call them the Toyota Helix whereas we're driving a Tacoma or you drive a Tundra they get like 60 miles to the gallon and they have a diesel engine

you cannot buy that Hilux I think it's a U H-I-L-U-X I call it a Helix you can do whatever you want man you're the biggest one here you can do whatever you want, man. I think it's up to you. You're the biggest one here.

You can do whatever the fuck you want, John. Well, it's a high-loss is what they call it, but yeah. Well, you know Neil Young, he has a farm in Northern California, and he makes his own biodiesel. And he runs all of his cars on biodiesel. Of course he does. Yeah. Let's talk about Neil Young for a second. Bad motherfucker.

Neil Young is the reason why I quit concert security. Why? I was working as a security guard in Great Woods. All the people that did martial arts with me all got security jobs in this place. And I got a job there too. And during a Neil Young concert, there's a place called great woods and great woods is an amphitheater so there's uh there's covered seating and in the back the cheaper seats are this lawn area and in the lawn area it got a little chilly so dudes started fires and the security guards had to go in and shut down the fires and riots

broke out people started punching people and it got crazy and i'm like fuck doing security so i quit in the middle of a neil young concert i put a hoodie on over my security jacket and i fucking bailed serious yes i did good i was like dude i am not fucking getting my ass kicked or getting stabbed for Neil Young or Neil Young fans. He told me that story. Bringing it back, he told me that story in BC. Dude, it was crazy. There was fires. People were lighting fires. And when one guy saw a fire, he was like, shit,

I want a fire. And then all these Neil Young fans just started fires. We're talking about, I mean, I don't know how many people at Greatwood woods in mansfield massachusetts seats i gotta think it's somewhere in the name it's you know it's a big ass concert place like i saw sam kennis in there and bon jovi it's like 15 000 seats so and you know 4 000 of them were on fire so it's fucking great remodel i mean nice remodel. I mean, this is like, I was 19, so this is like 86.

And you know, young fans are crazy. Oh, it was nuts, man. As soon as they hear that needle and the dam is done, they get all... Southern man! They're like, fire! Bob! Something tells me I need to make a fire! Light a torch!

It was dark, man. It got crazy. I fucking bailed out of there. A lot of people don't know, I used to be a fireman when I worked at Matthewews you were a fireman yeah forest gump idiocy a lot of people don't know he said no no no no forest gump was retarded forest gump yeah i know him he had like every time i need a happy movie yeah like 80 chapters to a story. Super slow, but really good at ping pong. I was a fireman in slow Wisconsin. We went on this fire call with this lady. And man, her house.

The thing that you encounter a lot as firemen is you go on fire calls where a lot of the houses are not kept up at the level that most people would keep them up. I guess that's a politically correct way to say it. Hoarders. Yeah. So I went on this call. A lot of kindling.

I shouldn't have saved all those newspapers. I guess I picked the wrong time to store gasoline in the bathroom. I shouldn't have saved all those newspapers. Guess I picked the wrong time to store gasoline in the bathroom. I went on this call. And, I mean, I wouldn't have classified her as a hoarder. I would classify her more as a cat lady. But she had a vast collection of some Neal tapesil tapes oh i remember a tracker cassette date yourself there was a serious cassette collection along with a lot of cats and cat turds oh no

how many cats does she have not as many as the city of Lanai. Well, we went to a cat sanctuary out here. There's 500 cats. Wait, here? Yeah, yeah, in Lanai. It was a cat sanctuary. Is it like caged in? I don't know.

I don't know how you guys do other things besides hunting. I have family, bro. When you have little girls, you have to do other shit. You have to. The only way I could balance this trip out I have to do a con game I have to say we're gonna Hawaii yay where's daddy oh he's murdering animals Shane's like Shane's anxiety level when he's not hunting is off the charts it is actually super tense well it's so fine off here dudes whoa whoa whoa whoa are you pouring red Bull in your wine? He's got a keyhole in his... What the fuck are you doing? He's got a...

He just poured tequila into his Red Bull and wine. That might be a first. That's delicious. What do you call that? Trash bag wine. It's a new concoction. Let's call this the Cat Lady. I want one.

I want one. I want one. John Dudley and I have created drinks before. Yeah, you guys created Rye Brain, which is a combination of Alpha Brain and whiskey. Outstanding. I drink it everywhere. Back when he was a bartender. No. Before the fireman days.

I won the bartending. Me and Sharon won the bartending thing at the Traeger National Convention in Salt Lake. We did a smoked grapefruit Tom Collins that freaking won. Well, this is something that you do that I have not tried, but I do want to try. John Dudley will take a bucket of water. Yeah, he will smoke his balls. He takes a bucket of water. He puts it – I'm not joking.

He takes a bucket of water, puts it in the Traeger, smokes the water, right? Then takes that water, pours it into these ball – ice ball holders. What do you call those things? Ball holders. Like silicone, like ice makers? Yeah ice yeah yeah well you make a ball you make a whiskey ball whiskey ball you can smoke you can smoke water with like mesquite or apple you know apple flavored pellets or anything you want and then you freeze them and if you have a crappy bourbon you can drop that ice the smoked ice ball in and you can take a real crappy

bourbon and make it decent. That's it. I'm ordering a Traeger tomorrow. I'm a crappy bourbon drinker. Is Jack Daniels considered a crappy bourbon? What is that considered? We might get shot if we say that. I would say more like anything under $7

a bottle. This is coming from a guy who's drinking tequila and wine and red wine. It's called the cat lady in one glass. That's a cat lady, ladies and gentlemen. I like it. I'm not sure that his mixology is right on point. We just fucked up my mini bar, by the way. The scene in here is radical.

Bear hugs versus booze. When my family comes back here, I'm going to have some really shitty looks. Well, because we're all going to be laying on the floor. Baby, they're my friends. They're family. You've got to let it go. You've got to let it go. That's a strange surfer man in my bed.

You've got to let it go. These guys are all killers. They've killed things. They need to blow off some steam. They've got to let it go. I'm a strange surfer man in my bed. You've got to let it go. These guys are all killers. They've killed things. Let them. They need to blow off some steam. They've got PTSD from Rage Tri-Pan. The Cat Lady is excellent. It's a very good drink.

Shane? Try the Cat Lady. Try the Cat Lady. Get in on that. Come on, man. I'm a little bit of a layaway. You don't like the Cat Lady? I'm missing enough deer as it goes.

Oh, okay. Wait. Listen. The Cat Lady is a strange. It's pretty good. It's better than it should be. It's good. It's a strange cacophony of like.

Anytime you can say cacophony on a podcast, you win. That's when you're drinking tequila wine in Red Bull. That stuff comes out. Let's talk about how goddamn fast these deer are i killed one and i killed one because he didn't know i was there every deer that saw me and he stood still and i shot an arrow at him they ducked that motherfucker like neo on the matrix i mean it was so amazing watching an arrow going and i switched arrows because john dudley made me two builds he made me an arrow build with 625 grain arrows that go 245 feet a second and then 496 496 or 493 496 i thought it was 516 what's the regret the lighter ones yeah i think they're 496 anyway they're they're still16. What's the regret? The lighter ones? Yeah. I think they're 496.

Anyway, they're still fairly heavy, but they go 275 feet per second. I switched to the 275 feet per second arrows because these deer would see the arrow coming out and be like, bitch, and just not even come close. So with the 275 feet per second arrows, I was catching hares. I got a couple of hares when they were looking at me. Like I would like get the arrow and I'd look at it. Oh, there's a hare on this arrow. Or I literally would give them a haircut.

No blood. They would just duck under it and it would just like catch the top of their head or the small of their back or something. So we need to get you like a 380-grain arrow. No. No. I'm a meathead. I actually did a podcast with Winky about this. We did a whole – I mean we talked for a long time about speed versus energy.

He's a big speed guy. For arrow duckers, he really likes speed. Explain who Winky is to the people that are listening. Bill Winky is a whitetail expert, a whitetail deer expert. He's a very, very well-known writer, and he's got a great, I guess, online webisodes for whitetail. Yeah, semi-live online hunting show. Yeah, Midwest Whitetail. Yeah, for the world of hunting, very well-respected guy. online webisodes yeah white tail semi-live online hunting show yeah yeah midwest white tail yeah for like the world of hunting very well respected yeah and we had this ongoing debate

which is really cool because when i have a lot of my guests on my podcast i like to get into things to where it interests me because it's a lot like you there, I wouldn't say argument, but there's debate between this, you know, A versus B. And Bill's, he's very successful and he has a very good following like say Adam Green Tree's opinion of having just a super efficient, very heavy arrow that is maximum penetration to where regardless of what it hits, it's going to do its job. And by dropping, what we mean is when – today is a perfect example. The deer hear the sound in Lanai. Lanai in particular. The deer hear the sound of a bow launching an arrow and they bolt.

Ben and I were talking. I mean talking like this. We were just talking. We're shooting the shit and there was at least two bucks. Two bucks. And a couple of does bedded less than 20 yards away from us. And they weren't even reacting. And then I took – I'm like, should I take this bomb?

I should launch this bomb on this doe. This doe's standing there. She's standing there. And he gives me a read. He goes, 70 yards. I'm like, fuck it. I'm going to go with this. So I draw back 70 yards.

And the doe is really like, bitch, you serious she's she slides to the left like she's in some like 1990s fucking break dancing move she was electric slides break it was ridiculous i gotta have no i shot exactly where she was standing and she was nowhere after that arrow flew i was like you hit exactly where you were aiming in the 10 ring. That deer was swimming to Maui before your arrow. They're so fast. They're so fast. The crazy thing is though is like at 70 yards, if they're looking at you and they react, it's not like you're missing them by inches or millimeters.

They could be like six feet away from your arrow. Imagine if UFC fighters had the instincts of an axis You'd have to watch it in slow motion and know what the hell went on Mighty Mouse, Demetrius Mighty Mouse Johnson Best pound for pound fighter in the world Might as well be an axis deer

For real That's literally what we're talking about. Like people who fight Mighty Mouse, they probably feel like a dude who's shooting at an axis deer who's looking right at them. You have no chance. But for bow hunting, it is probably the best training you could ever have. And we were talking about this because this whole thing was put together – shout out to Yeti Coolersers greatest coolers on the planet earth ben o'brien a big exec at yeti coolers this this whole thing was whatever the fuck is coordinator homeboy um this this this whole thing was put together and while while we're here we're thinking like this might be the ultimate

destination for bow hunters to prepare for any other hunt yeah yeah you get to experience it all yeah you get to experience spot and stalk a diversity of terrain and then in the end you have a lot of opportunity and animals that don't let you fuck up yeah you have if you do like 15 minutes later you're on another group right that's the beautiful thing it's an amazing training opportunity so bill winky's debate speed versus so the drop means the deer hear the sound of an arrow which is like they hear the sound of a bow going off and they they they literally duck down not duck because they think an arrow is coming they duck because they think an arrow is coming.

They duck because they're preparing to lower themselves and launch themselves forward. Yeah. A lot of times people think they're ducking the arrow. But what happens is when someone gets scared, it's a lot like Sharon, my wife, is bad about this. I'll come around the corner and be like, hey, babe. And she'll, ah! Yeah. She ducks. she jumps the string and won't do it.

She is a string jumper. Honey, quit ducking the string! Honey, you're jumping the string, I'm just trying to say hi! She's a string jumper. What happens is the deer they just pick their legs off the ground and that's the cool thing about videoing is when you video What happens is the deer, they just pick their legs off the ground.

And that's the cool thing about videoing is when you video your hunts, you actually get to relive those hunts again. You can slow them down, watch them. And really, you know, it's a reaction of they're just clenching up, so they're lifting their feet off the ground. So gravity is dropping, depending on their body weight, it's dropping them at a certain speed. Oh, so they're lifting their feet so that they can go forward. Yeah, they're just picking up as a reaction, like, ah.

And then once they spring, they're going. But the weight of their body is actually dropping that down. So, you know, like with an elk, obviously it's a lot more mass. So they'll drop at a faster rate than something that's lighter. But a lot of times their legs are just coming up to the body, and the gravity is pulling them down. So what is Bill Winkie's philosophy? He really thinks speed is more of a benefit than momentum or kinetic energy. But in saying that, Bill is also very focused on a medium

game animal so when we talk about you know a white-tailed deer is a lot different than the elk or moose so you know momentum first which is a heavier arrow traveling at a maybe at a slower way to speed but it delivers a lot more energy it's a lot like when foreman used to fight you know when i watched foreman or when i watched a lot of his older fights he never looked like he was hitting anyone hard but when his glove hit someone their whole body was taking a tremendous amount of energy because it was a big freaking fist you know why you you you feel like he wasn't hitting hard because you weren't there there's something that's lost in film like there's a lot of people that i've seen hit people in person and they just have there's there's people

that are built weird and george foreman is a perfect example. George Foreman is a guy, I've never met him personally, but he has hands that are the size of canned hams. They're fucking enormous. Are they bigger than Lesnar's? Probably in the neighborhood. Brock Lesnar could have been. I've seen those bits. He's a freak. He could have been the greatest heavyweight of all time if he was dedicated, he started from the time he was in high school

and went straight into MMA. I agree. He spent so much time in pro wrestling, but if you look at Brock Lesnar's Columbine, Columbine. Hello, cat lady. If you look at Brock Lesnar's combine numbers, his NFL combine numbers, they're insane.

He bench pressed 225 pounds, something like 45 reps. His fucking vertical is off the roof. His long jump is insane for a guy who's almost 300 pounds. He's a freak. I've never, I've seen a lot of athletic freaks. I've never seen anybody who's more freaky than Brock Lesnar. But that freaky athleticism, what's beautiful about MMA, that freaky athleticism does not

overcome technique and long-term training in the particular disciplines of MMA. That's why Cain Velasquez beat the shit out of him. Whereas Cain Velasquez, he's a freak too, but he's a cardio freak. Different kind of freak. Not a power freak. But he doesn't look like it.

Exactly. But it's one of those things. You've got to be there to see him. If you saw Cain Velasquez fight in person, you would say, Jesus Christ. But it doesn't matter. But he's got a mind. He does, though. When he hits someone, it wrinkles

for ages. He's got a mind. Cain Velasquez has got a mind and his lungs. One of the things they say about hunting for ages. He's got a mind. Cain Velasquez has got a mind and his lungs. One of the things they say about hunting is that what kills animals is legs and lungs. Really?

Elk especially. Being able to get to where the elk are. Being able to have the cardio. It's not a coincidence that a guy like cam haynes became a psychopathic endurance athlete because he's obsessed with elk hunting i mean i talked to him about it he's like the whole thing with me was i had to figure out how to get

to those elk you know like how do i get to those elk i'm tired like how do i not be tired i gotta start running how do i get more endurance well i gotta tired. Like, how do I not be tired? I got to start running. How do I get more endurance? Well, I got to run longer. I got to learn harder. I got to run hills. I got to run mountains. And that's the same thing with fighting. Like, if you're like an explosive, super fast athlete, but you run out of gas, you're fucked.

You know, like you have this short window of time to get the job done. And if the guy who you're fighting can survive that storm, you're kind of fucked. You have this short window of time to get the job done. And if the guy who you're fighting can survive that storm, you're kind of fucked. Because then you don't have any gas left, and that's Brock Lesnar. Brock Lesnar never really developed into the type of fully evolved MMA fighter. But what he did have is this freak athletic body. That's the same thing with George Foreman. If you watch that Rumble in the Jungle, George Foreman came out of the gate storming, hit

Muhammad Ali with his body shots. Even a better fight is watch George Foreman versus Joe Frazier where he literally picks him up with shots. He hits him and you see Joe Frazier's body go up in the air from getting hit because Foreman was so powerful.

But Muhammad Ali was skillful enough. So when the punches were hitting him, he was sliding just a little bit out of the way, just a little bit out of the way with each punch, absorbing them but moving with them. So it took a lot of the energy away from him. from them and i think that that's a lot you could say this is this is like this is like an analogy to like arrows and and and and a heavyweight arrow which goes slower or a fast arrow which doesn't have as much momentum doesn't have as much kinetic energy but it's quicker because if they both connect on point a at the same time, Foreman is definitely doing more damage. Sure. So if you have Mighty Mouse versus George Foreman,

at a certain point in time, I've got to bet on George Foreman. I mean, until we get to like... What are you looking for? More cat ladies. More Red Bull. A Red Bull. More Red Bull. Fill up my cat ladies. There's another refrigerator in that other room back there too.

Here, for sure, that arrow comparison is... We were shooting just today. We were hunting. We were just messing around, talking. And we decided to shoot this tree just to see... Yeah, that's a perfect example of a tree. So, Joe is pulling 80... How many pounds?

86 pounds. 86 pounds. And his arrow weighs how many what's the grain somewhere around 500 grains that's a heavy arrow my I'm shooting 68 pounds of my my arrow is 320 grains so roughly half weight and much less draw weight than you he shoots this tree dead centers this thing and his broadhead sticks right in the center of this tree and the arrow stays in the broadhead disappears the broadhead disappears goeshead sticks right in the center of this tree and the arrow stays in. The broadhead disappears.

The broadhead disappears. It goes right up to the insert. I shoot the tree and my arrow deflects off the side of the tree and the side of the broadhead, the third blade of the broadhead gets stuck in a branch. And then he looks at me and goes, have your arrow. Stop shooting that.

Bitch ass arrows. Bitch ass. But it's true Imagine if you would have had Miley Miley Cyrus is the name That John Dudley Gave to my 625 Green arrow setup Which it goes slower

But it does horrendous damage Joe sent me his bow and he said, dude, build me something freaking extreme. We just had a conversation. We were trying to figure out. I actually downloaded a gif, a gif file

of Miley Cyrus on the wrecking ball. Because I was shooting at 85 yards at my house and when the air when his arrow would hit my target the next time i would shoot google all i could see is that l forms moving on my target because it was still shaking from the arrow that i shot before it so So when Joe said, dude, how's that set up doing? Because I had told, actually, I built like three different options. But I told him, I said, man, this thing's hitting like a freaking wrecking ball. Because the target would just shake.

And by the time I drew back again and would be aiming for the second arrow, I could still see the horns moving from the first arrow. arrow I could still see the horns moving from the first arrow so then I ended up downloading a gif of Miley Cyrus riding that wrecking ball back and forth and I said... This is what it sounds like on the draw cycle. You hear the limbs creaking. Pulling back this Lincoln log. No wonder the axes are duffing this thing. Let's just all be silent until we get to the chorus.

That's what the axes do here when the arrow's on its way. Who does all your Photoshop work? A bunch of people. Alright. We need a Photoshop work of Joe Rogan's head on Miley Cyrus. Right now, vegans are crying. This is not funny! It's not a good day in Hawaii unless you're drinking to Cat Lady and listening to Miley Cyrus.

Empty your quiver on access gear. I brought five extra arrows today. I have a seven-arrow tight spot, and I brought a five-arrow extra quiver. I'm like, today's my last day. How many arrows did you bring on this trip, Joe? Fifty. Fifty? Fifty arrows.

That might be some kind of record. For real. from that let me we must clarify this when when joe says training like we're not training on these animals we're talking about the training of spotting an animal stalking it and making making what is an efficient shot like it's a very ethical practice but training just means like opportunity after opportunity after opportunity meaning that you can get after these animals and learn how they move how you move how you can be quiet yeah when to duck when to draw it's just practice it's that mental repetition day of hunting here i mean you have more opportunities on spot and stocks than the majority of guys are going to have an entire hunting trip on maybe a season maybe a season yeah I think I had mule deer elk

anything like that I think I had the first day which we'll talk about island time a little bit first day sounds like it was a month ago

I'm not talking about island time listen they got it right you're an island boy you guys got it right this is the way to live the way I live

is bullshit it is it's bullshit you know everybody's all fucking nervous and worrying This is the way to live The way I live is bullshit It is Bullshit You know Everybody's all fucking nervous And worrying And stressed I come here

I'm like I'm so relaxed My kids are relaxed My wife's relaxed I'm like We're so relaxed I'm like Hey wait a minute

Shouldn't we just be relaxed Yeah It's what The day's last 40 hours It's Friday And we got here What We got here Monday Monday night And it's Friday And all got here We got here Monday

And it's Friday And all of us were saying the other day We feel like we've been here for a month I feel like when I go home My son's going to be like 17 years old Shout out to Traeger For shipping a fucking grill Oh yeah

Happy birthday John Chad, Tyler, Danny Chad Your boy Chad Ward has changed the way oh yeah happy birthday john chad tyler yeah happy birthday oh yeah chad your boy chad ward has changed the way i fucking cook meat yep chad ward at whiskey bent barbecue in his instagram he everything well we didn't have a chance to reverse here last night because we were actually trying to just chill out on the beach but we ended ended up, we cooked Ben and Remy's mouflon backstraps. We cooked. And a mouflon, explain what a mouflon is.

A mouflon is Hawaiian sheep. Really, really cool. Sorry. I missed myiley a little bit Continue By the way I've never listened to that song before You sent me that anime I knew she wrote that song But I really

I don't even know if she wrote it She sang it Shout out to Miley Cyrus She's had more She's had more press time In the last 30 minutes Since she has on the last TV I'm a big fan dude

I don't know what you're talking about You're You just said it Last night though dude It was like Everything you made was Super legit And I was blown away

At how I've eaten a lot of Muflons Actually but I was blown away by Like that side by side Comparison Like Muflon sheep Compared to mouflons actually but I was blown away by that side by side comparison mouflon sheep compared to the axis deer I was devastated

I actually thought it was true because what's kind of sucks about this whole trip is I wanted the one thing I really wanted to shoot was a mouflon on Hawaii sorry Shane's playing my little violin with his fingers um I had had a lot of opportunities to shoot

mouflon in states that didn't have native mouflon and I always said if I want to shoot a mouflon I really want to shoot it in Hawaii um just because that's me as a hunter they're free ranging right and i had asked the guide if they had mouflon and he said well yeah but it's really tough to get up there and little did i know that meanwhile ben and rami warren had secretly arranged a hunt up in Muflon territory, which literally looked like New Zealand. And they went up and I can't believe you got two. That's amazing.

We would have had more than two. I missed one at 30 yards. A good one, too. A good one, a giant one. You needed a faster arrow. I needed a George Foreman. Well, what do you – you needed a Mighty Mouse. I needed a Mighty Mouse. You needed a Mighty Mouse. I needed a Mighty Mouse.

So what do you – this whole thing about Bill Winkie before we get off – I mean for the archers out there. Where do you stand on this? Do you think there's like a comfortable medium like maybe a Tyron Woodley who's a powerful 170-pounder who's also lightning fast? I think I really want the Conor McGcgregor where i was gonna say he's he's no not like a because tyron woodley would disagree yeah he is but i'm sorry i mean i know uh connor talked some crap to you in the last press conference but um i actually like that arrow that the animal thinks that he knows what's coming but then when it hits him it's like what just happened right got there too quick because i've been at a couple different fights that you've invited me on thank you when connor hits people

they think they know what it's going to feel like, but then when it does, like when that first left hand hits them, their face really changes. I think they expect what it's going to feel like, but when they actually feel it, it's a totally different expression. I mean, I've been that way in in competition which i've you know i've shot professionally for a lot of years and then when you meet someone in a match and then they actually stand next to you and compete with you it's you can tell on their face that they're experiencing something different than they prepare for right i've seen that when connor hits people and all of a sudden they're they just their face changes like oh crap i think that's with every competition right is that the same with surfing like you're around some people and you see like underestimating them well not not

only that but like like maybe when you're coming up like you see someone who's on just another level and you go wow okay there's that too when you know i mean, like you see someone who's on just another level and you go, wow. Okay. There's that too. When you know what I mean? Once you experience them live where you're like, wait a minute. Yeah. And there's a lot of guys who just don't like really like, sort of like the same way you're saying that,

like it doesn't translate like live fights to film. Right. You know, it's like, Oh yeah, that guy's pretty bad-ass. But in real life, you can't believe how fast and how powerful people are.

It's like that with surfing. I think it's like that with any sport where it's like, you know, you're expecting to see this guy who you've heard of or read about or watched films of or something, and then you see him in real life, and you're like, what the hell? You've got to be there live, right? We need to make a music comparison to what we're talking about here. Maybe like Adele, possibly.

I would go with Pavarotti. I just happen to have some. Look it up. I used to go to Google. I just happen to have something. Look it up. Look it up. He's going to Google. I just happen to have something. There's this guy, there's this heavyweight named Francis Ngannou, who's this African heavyweight who's in the UFC. He's like one of the best fighters in the heavyweight division right now. He's fucking terrifying.

What's his name? Francis Ngannou. Sorry. Sorry. What is that? But this guy, Ngannu, there's something crazy. He's just, first of all, he's enormous. He's like 260 pounds.

Wait, I've seen him. Stacked. He's just built like a brick shithouse. Yeah. Knocked out Andrei Alovsky with one punch. But there's something about him. Like literally when he's walking into the cage, he's like. His stomps are different.

Like his body is like denser. Your monitor at the desk is shaking. He clips people and they just go, what in the fuck? But it's a lot like Foreman's. Like you've got to be there. If you see him hit people, you're like, oh, that guy can't take a punch. No, no, no, no. You've got to be there, man.

You've got to be there and the impact. Like when in 1996, 97, I watched – there's a guy that is one of those underrated heavyweights of all time. His name is Pedro Hizzo. And Pedro Hizzo was like a real pioneer in MMA and in Muay Thai. And he was training one time at this place called beverly hills jujitsu and he was kicking this heavy bag and he was like he was kicking this bag and i guess if you saw a video it'd be kind of impressive but when i was there live i was like jesus fucking christ it was just like three or four levels past anybody I'd ever seen in terms of the amount of power

they could generate with a kick. And that's like the same thing with Ngannou. That's the same thing with a lot of people. It's like there's something about seeing something live that you can sort of get an idea. I'm sure you, if you saw a guy

surf in a video, you'd be like oh that guy that's a bad motherfucker right but like for the average person you kind of gotta see something live yeah there's like a little details that you can you know you know sort of really recognize that you know it really really well whether it's fighting or surfing or whatever anything else but anything even hunting yeah we're talking about there's guys like you know remy's not here with us now really, really well, whether it's fighting or surfing or whatever. Anything. Even hunting. Yeah. We were talking about there's guys like, you know, Remy's not here with us now, but he was here all week hunting with us. Perfect example.

Perfect example. A guy like Remy Warren or Adam Greenstreet, two perfect examples of guys that are cut from the same cloth. Or Cam Haynes. Cam Haynes. Remy made a shot on the mouflon. Earmuffs, John. Earmuffs. When he made a shot on this mouflon, 57 yards,

it seemed to me like his arrow made an S pattern to what essentially was a cantaloupe-sized target that he's shooting at at 57 yards. And he shot through like six trees from a knee at like a 45-degree angle with his bow. I would like to tell you about a shot that I saw John Dudley shoot a couple of days ago, but I need permission. You don't have permission. Let me just say. Let's get this guy out of the cat lady. You're going to tell one billion people?

Let me just say. I saw some shit. Let's just move on. some shit let's just let's just move on i saw some shit i saw some shit that i would never attempt but it ended with a perfect heart shot an ethical kill an animal that died in seconds that's what you're talking about right but seeing something live like you can get an idea of how hard something is until you see it live exactly that's the expectation of what dudley can let me tell you something what our guide said when he saw what John Dudley did. Have you ever seen Will Ferrell when he said, what just happened?

No, that just happened. That just happened. That's what Joe Rogan's face looked like when he turned around. Well, at least I knew what you can do. The guide was like, holy Jesus. Holy Jesus, he just shot that. i told you he was gonna kill it i mean you had to be there but it's like there's levels to everything there's levels to writing there's levels to singing there's levels to poetry i don't know i don't believe that but

there's levels to surfing for sure. This levels to everything, man. Drinking, Cat Lady. Yeah. That Cat Lady knows how to roll. Cat Lady's a good drink. I like it. I was skeptical at first. Everyone's skeptical of Cat Lady.

But she can bring her claws out. For those of you listening, it's a Talley Vineyards 2013. For those listening, it's a room service bar. It's a red wine. It's a three-part red wine with a one-part tequila patron and a one-and-a-half-part Red Bull sugar-free. What do they call room service bars? What do they call the room bars? Mini bars.

Rape. Mini bars. Rape. Financial rape. We've gone a long way trying to figure out whether or not Bill Winkie is right or Adam Raint Tree is right. So I'll say just one thing about arrow weight or speed. So at a known distance, arrow weight doesn't matter.

Right. So if you know how far you're shooting, arrow weight doesn't matter. And I'm all for shooting a very heavy arrow because of the momentum. At a known distance? At a known distance. So if you can range something, you know exactly how far away it is. And it won't move. And it won't move.

Well, that's obvious. Right. Yeah, for sure. Right. So it's great to shoot a heavier arrow. A faster arrow has an advantage is when something comes running in and you have to snap shoot at it. Right. That's at, I think, 37 yards.

And say it's at 30. But if you have a faster arrow, you're only going to miss by a lot less. Because it doesn't drop as much. Because it doesn't drop as much. It's not actually this much. It's flatter. So I think, to answer your question, I think there is a happy medium. So for you, you're shooting a heavier bow,

so a heavier arrow is going to go faster. And people with longer draw length, their arrow is going to go faster and they can shoot a heavier arrow. wouldn't you agree though that like 90 90 percent of like our like archery hunters will shoot like a medium arrow though because of that there's not that many like cam haines or joes that want like a really heavy arrow a heavy broadhead there's not that many people that do that what do you shoot other? Other than, like, people who, like, exclusively hunt elk or exclusively hunt moose or exclusively hunt water buffalo.

Right. Shane has two different arrows in his clue. What are you shooting? I shoot Elite. I forget what they're called. They're 8.1 grains per inch. They're Elite. I don't know why I'm drawing a blank.

How many grains are your full... The victory? Oh, the VAPs. So the victory armor piercing. No, mine are victory elites. That's what they're called. Victory archery elites. And they're 8.1 grains per inch. I'm not exactly sure what that is.

So for people listening, 500 grains is about one ounce. Is that correct? John? John. What? Calling your mom? Texting?

I was actually trying to refer back to a heavy hitter that I didn't know the actual force of. I went to Arnold Classic to compete in like, I think it was 2005. I told you. What are you doing? Competing as what? What kind of competition? Wait a minute. What were you doing? I was bowling. When I fought the Vietnam War.

Back when I was canoeing competitively. I actually won two Arnold Classics. Thank you. What's an Arnold Classic? Arnold Palmer? Tank Abbott was fighting Wesley Walls. Who? That's not an answer to the question.

What's an Arnold Classic? John Walls? Wesley. And Wesley knocked him out with a knee to the face. No. But anyway. No, no, no. Stop, stop, stop.

Yeah, ladies. Stop, stop, stop. 100% true. For what organization?. No, no, no. I was with. Stop. Stop. Stop. Yeah, ladies. Stop. Stop. Stop. 100% true. For what organization? It was for the Arnold Classic. They had UFC in Columbus, Ohio. Listen to me.

Tank Abbott was never knocked out by a guy named Wesley Walls. This is incorrect. What year is this? Is it Wesley Sims? 2005 or 2006. I was there live. Tank Abbott. Yep.

Was knocked out with what? With a knee to the face in the second round. Tank Abbott was never knocked out with a knee to the face in the second round. Dude, he was literally the bell rung. Pull up Tank Abbott's Wikipedia page. I'm so excited that I know something that Joe doesn't know. You definitely don't. You definitely don't.

You won't be excited in a few moments. I remember the fight that Tank Abbott got his knee kicked in. What's that? Do you remember the fight that Tank Abbott got his knee kicked in? Oh, yeah. Maury Smith. Maury Smith kicked the fuck out of his legs. Listen.

Yeah. This isn't a lie. This is not cat lady talk. Okay. So when I went to the Arnold Classic, I was invited there by Arnold and Frank Zane. I went there. I did win.

In what? What'd you do? For archery. They had archery. Archery at the Arnold Classic? Yeah. And then after the second year, I recommended to Arnold.

Did you get his wiki? I recommended to Arnold that they actually get his wiki i'm i've recommended to arnold that they actually instead of having professional archery they have the nas ohio state finals there so that they could have the high school nas program have their finals at the arnold classic which i thought would be better for the sport of archery but anyway i went um to the UFC fight. It was the first time in Ohio that they had that at the UFC style MMA fight at the Arnold Classic. And Tank fought Wesley Walls, I believe. What's Hank? Correa?

No. Cabbage. That's Cabbage Correa. He's from Hawaii, by the way. Let me check that out. This is true. He knocked out Cabbage. It was abage Correa. He's from Hawaii, by the way. Let me check that out. This is true. He knocked out Cabbage. It was a K-1-1 fight.

By the way, I've got a photographic memory. No, you definitely have. I just think you're incorrect. No. 100%. I saw it. So anyway, I'm ringside corner. So where the fighters come up the aisle to the to the ring i'm right at corner well you

was this first seat i think it was 2006 maybe it was 2005 i'll have to look at my trophy but um that's true but anyway i was sitting there and i was all excited because i was getting to see tank abbott fight he beat wesley cabbagerea. He knocked him out with one punch and Rumble on the Rock in Hawaii. No, no, no. That's definitely right. Except the Arnold Classic. Okay.

Let me, let me. Okay. Arnold Classic. He lost. Dude, Arnold Classic 2005. And it was a UFC fight. Are you right? Is that what you're saying?

Here's the problem. By the time. It was at the Arnold Classic. Sweetie. By the time 2005 rolled around the tank wasn't in the ufc anymore right um in 2005 he got knocked out in rumble on the rock or he knocked out excuse me uh wesley correa who's uh from hawaii cabbage is his uh his name he got knocked out in uh Rumble on the Rock in Hawaii. And that was a BJ Penn promotion.

BJ Penn was a promoter for a while. Before that, he fought in UFC 45. And he lost to Wesley Correa. He got TKO'd. And that was in Connecticut. So that's Wesley Correa. Before that

I can tell you right now. He got submitted by Kimo. Before that, he got submitted by Frank Mir with a toehold. Before that, he got knocked out by Pedro Hizzo. I think that was in Brazil. Yes, it was thank you before that he beat Hugo Duarte

which is a very tough guy that was 1998 the timing's all shit no let's clear this up get Arnold on the phone ask him who won ask him what happened there's certain things that I would defer to your judgment UFC fights are not on that list

well I'm going to prove you wrong. Well, you're definitely not going to, but good luck. Listen, I've seen every Tank Abbott fight ever. I know who beat him. I know who didn't beat him. You know, I've been there for a good percentage of them.

I'm going to say this as a friend. As a friend. I watched Tank Abbott get knocked out. You might have thought it was Tank Abbott. No. Because Tank Abbott has a goatee that's this long. Yeah, a lot of other guys do too.

All I'm saying is Tank came out, and what I was going to say is a lot like Brock or whatever. I was excited to high-five Tank, and i was on the inside corner of where they come out right and i like tank came out he was coming out to his music and he was jacked and i was supposed to shoot the next day for the tournament and i put my hand up like this for him to high five me as he was coming down and he was so jacked for the fight, I literally think he possibly ripped my shoulder out of the socket. How hard. I'm not kidding. How hard that dude hit my hand.

And he was like, and I was like, yeah, bro. I was like, I understand. And he freaking hit my hand so hard that I actually thought, like, where's my labor mat? Does someone up in the third row have that thing? Because it got hit so hard. Give him the Wikipedia page.

I'm working on it. This cat lady is a motherfucker. I'm not kidding. I know you're not. How awesome is it, Joe, when you walk back to your hotel here on the night of the Four Seasons and your face paint, camouflage, your bow with all your arrows, and then you just roll right into the Four Seasons. Well, here's the thing. They're super friendly.

They're like, did you get one? They're talking that Hawaiian accent. How'd you do today? Well, think about that if you did that at any other hotel in the world. Any other Four Seasons for sure. Yeah, Four Seasons at Beverly Hills. They'd be like, what the fuck? It's a terrorist attack.

They'd call the police. This has become John Dudley trying to research his erroneous tank abacus. I know you are, sweetie. I think it was Wesley Walls. I don't know who that is. Exactly. That's why I'd be right. No.

No. If anyone out there can please. Well, Ben has the fucking Wikipedia. There's no Wesley Walsh. I'm reading about 2005 right now. Listen, by the time 2005 rolled around, Tank wasn't, I don't believe he was fighting in the UFC. I believe his last fights in the UFC were against Kimo and Frank Mir. I think Frank Mir got him in a toehold.

I think Kimo got him in an arm triangle, a head and arm choke. I think that was his last fights in the UFC. Shout out to Tank Abbott, if you listen. No disrespect. Well, Tank. He definitely didn't get KO'd by some dude that doesn't exist. Yeah, he did. He got the shit kicked out of his knee on that one fight I saw.

Yeah, that was. He got the shit kicked out of his knee on that one fight I saw. Yeah, that was Maurice. Maurice Smith. Maurice Smith was a world champion kickboxer and one of the first guys to have world-class kickboxing. All I know is Wesley, he was in white compression shorts. He was – How many cat ladies – What are those compression shorts you're wearing? How many cat ladies did you have?

I'm telling you. How much peyote was mixed in? He was struggling to barely stay alive in the first. And in the second, he literally came off the bell with this huge flying knee and freaking clock tank right here in the eye. And he was down to the mat. And the next day, I saw Tank and Lou Ferrigno and freaking everybody else at the Arnold Classic

and he had this huge freaking welt and he was knocked out in one kick. One knee to the eye. Boy, I wish this wasn't in a podcast so we could save you. Well, I want to just tell you the Arnold Classic seems amazing. So Saturday,

Saturday, March, Saturday, I don't know, who knows what amazing. So Saturday, March 5th of 2005, here's what the event looked like. It was a mixed martial arts festival, Olympic weightlifting, Arnold Gymnastics Challenge, Arnold Dance Sport Classic. That's at 4, 8 a.m. Jesus! It'll be 9 a.m. Give me a time machine! Now we're at 9 a.m a time machine now we're at 9am it's still early in the morning

take me back 12 years ago so I can witness this live 9am Arnold cheerleading classic dance team competition Arnold strength training summit Arnold table tennis challenge meanwhile while this was going on Arnold was fucking his maid he was he was shooting loads into his maid

now we're at 10am we've almost had a full day. Okay. The Yoga for Sports Clinics, and then the Arm Wrestling Finals. Then the VIP Photo Opportunity with Arnold Schwarzenegger. Amazing. Then the Arnold Strongman, and then at 3 p.m. the World Record Bench Press Challenge. And at 7 p.m. at the end of the day, the Arnold Strongman Finals.

That's a lot of shit. Where's the archery? And there's a VIP buffet that, for some reason, no, VIP buffet slash dance party that starts at 10 p.m. Slash dance party. If you go back in time to 2005, the dance party starts at 10. Now, here's the real question. Do you dance first and then get a good appetite?

No, I think you do it. Or do you eat first and dance sluggish? There's no way to, like, go to the first event that day and play through all day without cat ladies. There's no way you can do it. By the time and play through all day without cat ladies. There's no way to do it. By the time you get to yoga for sports at 11 a.m., you're like, dude, dude. I'm a third cat lady. I got alcohol poisoning.

Have you found this mysterious person that haunts your dreams? No, it's true. They're not even real. That person's not even real. Well, the problem is cabbage has has way more cabbage than Walls did. You mean Wesley Correa? Yeah, but. Well, whoever this Wesley Walls guy is, just Google that fictitional person.

Wesley Walls is a receiver, I believe, for Carolina Panthers. He could have been. I heard he was a bass fisherman on the pro tour. I hope he's listening. I'm telling you. He's a representative of Shimano. Wait, no, that wasn't Wesley. Yeah, you're right. You're definitely right about that.

I'll let you off the hook. He's dropping now. It's impossible not to. you off the hook. He's dropping now. You let him off 45 minutes into the conversation. It's impossible not to. There's certain shit you just can't you can't question me on. Mixed martial arts

records are on that list. Tank Abbott being one of them. If anyone out there No, they're definitely not right. Listen, I've called

more than 1,500 fights. I've been working for the UFC since 1997. I'm definitely right. Yes. Yeah. I've watched every single one of Cabbage's and Tank Abbott's losses and wins. Seen them all.

I've never seen any Cabbage fights. Cabbage is a bad motherfucker. Had a hell of a chin. The dude could take ridiculous punishment. The Andrei Arlovsky fight was a big proof of that. So it was a Tim Sylvia fight. He could take some bombs. Tough guy.

Tank Abba KO'd him. In Hawaii. I know that. All I can tell you is. All I can tell you is, three cat ladies in. All of the cat ladies. There's a lot in that litter box. Toxoplasma.

That's a podcast. I'm just telling you right now. Wesley, if you're out there. Wesley doesn't. He's not even real. You're going to make him. You're going to make him. It's like Candyman. Oh, Wes Sims.

Wes Sims. Who beat Frank Mir. That might have been. It was Wes Sims. You stomped Sims. Wes Sims would beat Frank Mir. That might have been what you're thinking of. You stomped him. Wesley Wall is actually – I don't think Wes Sims – He came with Grant Barbed in my house. Oh, my God.

Oh, my. I'm not kidding. We've got to cut him off, folks. We've got to cut him off. We've got to cut him off. Let's move on to other things that are more important. What do we want to talk about? Do you want to listen to Wesley Walls, guys it there's going to be a wesley walls it's going to be a new character that starts trolling your instagram i'm starting to rematch tank gambit i know i won

they erased it from the records the illuminati scrub flat earth, hollow earth, square earth. I'm down with all them things. That's quite abit of the flat earth, bro. Nobody land on the fucking moon, I'll tell you that right now. Dinosaurs aren't even real. Joe and I had an interesting conversation to change the subject earlier today. Discussing what hunting does to your psyche. Yeah.

I feel like that's pretty interesting thing to talk about while we're here in the midst of a table full of booze and uh great people that hunt so like talk about what we were chatting about today i think it's the ultimate struggle i think that's why everybody at this table who also does very difficult things is attracted to it so much because it's such there's such finality to it i mean everyone at this table has ended the life of an animal and there's and it's very difficult to do and like we were talking about these animals jumping the string and these animals like so tuned in to what you're doing in your movement and your intentions that there's and accomplishing that struggle and getting through that struggle, you know, it's very compelling.

And I hate to use the word addictive because it has so many negative connotations attached to it, but it might be the best word to describe to it because it becomes a part of who you are. And I know, Shane, you've got this issue, right? We all do, right? I've got a bad one. You've got a bad one? Yeah. You can see him he's like he's like he's like drawing he's hoping an accident will walk out

this window right now i mean we've been talking a little too long he's like starting to get yeah there is like but addictive is not like they're the addictive is not the killing part no the addiction is is the challenge to yourself mentally mentally physically some of the things that that you can do to just come up against that ultimate challenge. It's a singular event. I see this deer, whatever type of deer it is, or I see this animal, and I've got to go get that thing. Those singular events in your life, there's not a whole lot of those things. Your daily life is super complex.

You're challenged on a lot of different existential levels. This is all the layers of humanity. You strip those things away. And it's also constantly changing and moving. It's not like bowling. Like you step up to the line, the pins are set, you roll the ball, you knock them down. It's so complex.

There's so many variables. You're stalking. Did I step on a twig? Snap. The deer pops his head up and looks at you. Ah, I'm blown. There's so many ways to blow it. Yeah.

So many ways. And it's never the same. Like you said, like bowling or baseball or those things. You're trying to literally repeat the repetitive motion of that. There is a repetitive motion in the process of drawing your bow and letting an arrow fly. But there's no repetition in what that situation requires. Like whether you have to shoot from a knee or whether you have to shoot at an angle or whether you have to wait or go quick. Off your butt or off the tree.

Yeah. There is no repetition in the actual experience of letting an arrow fly to deer. No. Which is the most challenging thing because there's almost no way to prepare for it. And then the reward is also so primal. You actually consume the animal. You prepare for it. And then the reward is also like so primal. You actually consume the animal. You're eating it. It's the most healthy.

And here's the crazy thing. It's not like it's bad for you. It's not like you kill a bag of Cheetos. Yeah. Right? You're killing and eating the most nutritious animal that you can eat. It's literally double the protein content per ounce than domestic beef.

I remember one time I talked to Andrew Zimmer in an interview. I think that's how we met, just for an article for Peeves & Tunning. I was talking to Andrew Zimmer about it, a chef, traveler. And he was like, man, I really think of killing a deer, like plucking a tomato out of the garden when it's just the right amount.'s just right it's plump and red it's ready to eat like i think of killing a deer like i think of plucking that tomato and taking it in the kitchen yeah that that experience of growing that thing and slicing it up and feeding your family is similar to going out and killing something it is and hunting has made me want to garden and have chickens and do hunting has flipped the switch for me to understand that like the feeling it takes to

eat something that you've not only provided but you've worked for and trained for and mentally suffered for at some level physically too well and it's like a major you just have that real connection to your food which you don't have otherwise you just don't like it's the same thing whether you're uh you know growing your own veggies or whatever you're doing in your garden or or going out and getting your own meat you know yeah and it changes what your food is right you're not peeling out of a cellophane yeah like container well just imagine that like just imagine the story of somebody said okay you're a predator you're a lion well years down the road you're still a predator but somebody else is going to deliver that that antelope to you well then you're not a predator yeah you're still a predator, but somebody else is going to deliver that antelope to you. Well, then you're not a predator.

Then you're just a meat consumer. Then you're a lion. As you're walking to a Whole Foods, there's going to be all the African animals and some people. And you're like, I'm still a predator. I'm going to eat this shit. I'm still a lion. I'm going to eat this.

But I don't mind. I've taken off my claws, and I'm just going to eat it because somebody put it here for me. Not only am I going to eat it, it's going to be nice lighting on like a wall where it's presented in such a wonderful way.

There'll be a sticker that tells me what's in it. With crushed ice. Thanks little sticker for telling me what's in this. You're so wonderful. Like imagine how

ridiculous that would sound to somebody if you presented like our predatory history as a human. Like to present that we evolved from cavemen throwing spears at things or cavemen going and eating the leftovers or whatever lions killed

and two million years ago to to the same caveman two million years later walking around in the whole foods peeling off the stickers of a piece of pork and thinking that's humane and okay and it's also it's kind of a cop-out because people hate it when you say you have to experience it because until you experience it, you really don't know what we're talking about. But there is such a radical difference between eating a steak that you buy at a store

and what that experience is and eating the backstrap of an axis deer that you had to sneak up on, you had to crawl on your hands and knees you had to wait for this thing to be cresting the ridge for the perfect opportunity to pass in front of the bush when you draw back your heart is pounding you're centering your bubble on your your your rest your or your your sight and you're just drawing back and you're just making sure you don't fuck this up and you see that arrow launch and you see it slam into his rib cage.

And you're like, fuck, I got him. And you see it run and you see it fall over and its legs kick. And then you cut it up and then you cook it. And while you're eating that thing, you're thinking about what happened. You know how that animal died. You were there. You understand. You respect it in a way that no one ever respects anything that comes in a ground beef package wrapped in plastic, sitting on styrofoam, laying on crushed ice. It's not the same.

It's just not. There's five people sitting around this table. All of us are accomplishing our own things that we do and work hard at what we do and what we love we all have families and we you know we all have lives but we are all eaten up we are all of us think about this that moment you just described all the time it's almost all I ever think about it's okay whenever I'm not doing that what I'm thinking that's what I'm planning on doing it again Shane is that, but maybe worse than some people I've ever seen. That's why he's so good. He's so good.

But how powerful it is for all these people. He's from Hawaii. I'm from Maryland. You're from, give it to me. Boston. Boston. Grew up in New Jersey. Born in New Jersey.

Grew up in Boston. Live in California. We've got Iowa. We've got South Dakota. All these people from diverse backgrounds live in different places. Find a connection in that same thing. That experience is so powerful that it brings people together from all these crazy things. And when some people say, why do you hunt?

I'd be like, that's part of it. There's a myriad of reasons. But that's one of the things. Sitting in a room with people that all think the same way about that experience, that's crazy powerful. I remember listening to a Jim Shockey commercial commercial with jim shock he was talking about hunting and he said when i'm not hunting i'm thinking about hunting i was like what the fuck is wrong with this dude i had never hunted you can't relate i couldn't relate i was like wow this is because i had watched a bunch of hunting television shows a bunch of hunting things before I ever got into hunting.

And I remember thinking what I wanted to do was I was so disconnected between meat and the death of an animal. So disconnected. So I was like, well, I need to see it happen or I need to do it myself. Something, maybe I need to hunt. So I started watching these hunting shows. I would go to channel 605 on fucking direct TV

and I'm like, what are these freaks up to? Some strange, you know, area of the dial of the channels where I never go to. And then I started

watching Jim Shockey's show and then I watched Steve Rinell's The Wild Within. I remember that. And I watched Ted Nugent's Spirit of the Wild

and I was like, what is going on? Like what are these people up to? And I got sort of this like weird desire to try this. And it took forever before I actually finally did it. And when I finally did it, it was with Rinella. But once I finally did it and I shot a mule deer and then we're eating it by the fire, I'm like, oh, I'm doing this forever. So it was immediate. I was oh, I'm doing this forever. Yeah, yeah. So it's immediate. I was like, I'm doing this forever.

When we first met, me and Sam, we shot a moose. And a couple hours later, we were in the tiny little house in British Columbia. You were cooking the liver and onions of the moose you just shot and the heart, the slice out of the heart of the moose you just shot. And we were eating it. And I was just sitting on the table thinking, like, here's a guy who's been through more than I'll ever go through here's a guy who's experienced more of life than a lot of folks who's like discovered this thing and not only discovered it but jumped into the

into the into both feet and is eating heart and liver i mean i know a lot of hunters that won't don't want to experience that you know or don't don't open their minds to experience eating organs or or whatever but you jump into that thing you say like i want all of it i want every piece of the experience and i don't want to i don't want to miss anything and then once you start to do that i mean that's three years ago we hunted yeah and how how much has your mind changed about hunting in those three years a lot well in those three years i went went from being almost exclusively rifle in the beginning, which is probably a good way to get started because it's more reliable,

to being almost exclusively archery. And one of the things that struck me about it is one of the things that strikes me about a lot of things about this crazy life that we live is that I don't think most people are seeing everything. And I think that we live a life with blinders on. I think one of the reasons why we do that is because life becomes more and more complex the longer we live. We have more and more responsibilities. We have family, and they have more and more responsibilities.

We're involved in all these responsibilities. We accumulate debt, and we accumulate all these different tasks that require our attention. And those things chew up a lot of your time on this earth. And somewhere along the line, you forget a lot of things. You forget that you're an organism. You forget that you're an organism that has this unique ability to communicate and share ideas. And because of this unique ability to communicate, we have this – I mean this is what we're doing right now. We're sharing these ideas. And these ideas resonate with other people and they elevate the way and expand the way other people look at life. And their words and their ideas expand our concepts of life.

And I think that when you stumble across something as intense as hunting or even as archery, which is – I mean even without hunting, I've said time and time again, if you're a vegan, you should do archery just the same – for the same reason you should do yoga, for the same reason you should meditate. same reason you should do yoga for the same reason you should meditate but i think that when you stumble across something that is a real game changer it's almost like your responsibility i feel like in a lot of ways what i'm what i do with my life is i'm i'm like a little bit ahead uh in terms of like there's like a path i'm a little maybe ahead of where i should be but i'm like guys you gotta see this come on it guys, you got to see this. Come on. It's safe. You know, I almost like my come on, come on, dude, I'm telling you, come on over here. Look at this. And I really feel like that. And I feel like we all do that to a certain extent. And I think some people are very hesitant to do that, because they don't want to be. Brandon fucked us.

to do that because they don't want to be Brandon fucked us Brandon's our friend but I fucked us I forgot to put my phone on airplane I think that hunting like a lot of things in life is it's not for

everybody and you don't have to do it but the experience is so intense that most people who do do it feel required to let everyone know that there's something else out there. confinements, the walls and the structures of cities and of language and culture, all of those erode when you're on a spot in stock in Hawaii and you're sneaking up on some deer that just wants to stay alive. It goes back to your role in humanity but also in society. It goes back to your role as in humanity, but also in society.

I feel more accomplished as a human being because I have the ability to shoot an axis deer with a bow. I don't think someone that can't do that is less accomplished, but I feel like as a part of my skill set as a human, the skill set of know my evolution as a person that has been a tool for me to use to to have to gain perspective we were talking about some trips that i've been on like there's no way like yeah maybe there's some photos on on social media or some things to denote my accomplishment or like what i killed or what the mountains i climbed or the things i've done but the perspective you gain that you take home with you that, you know,

kind of bleeds out into your, your work life and your social life and all the things you're interacting with other people, like those things can't be measured. So there's some level of measurement that you just can't get from hunting. And when we do stuff like this together as a group, like there's just some level of, I'd go to shot show,

go to the biggest hunting trade show where we, we had that video of us getting drunk and screaming and people's i think sometimes people have never been to that show they don't realize like the people that i see there and that that sam sees there and that dudley sees there and that you see when you come and same for shane like there's like a certain type of hug that you give that person that you've hunted with like there's a bro hug that like has more intensity than somebody you just know. Yeah. Somebody you may have had a drink with or had dinner with sometimes. Like when I see somebody I've hunted with, like we freaking, we roll out.

Like we embrace each other. Because I think there's like that shared experience. Like, man, I'm finally good to see it. There's a little bit of that energy back in the room from that time we went to access deer hunting. Yeah. So I would say that's proof that hunting connects people as much as it does anything else. Like it connects us as people. Yeah, and there's some people that want it to go away. You know, there's some people that want meat eating entirely to go away.

And they don't want animals to be consumed. But I feel like where we are right now, I mean, I understand this longing for some utopian existence where nothing has to suffer, nothing has to die. But that's not currently available. It's not currently available in the wild world.

It's not currently available in the human world. And I think we as a species should do the best that we can to be nice to each other. But we should also understand that these animals, they do not have the capacity to understand. They do not have the capacity for reason, for calculation, for coordination of resources. These things don't exist. And lanai is one of the best examples of that. It's infested with deer.

It's great for someone who wants to come here and be a bow hunter. It would be terrible if you were a plant. Or a man of your blood. If you were a plant deer eating, you'd be like, What the fuck? There's so many deer here. I mean, they had to kill off all the goats because they brought so many

goats on this island. The goats ate all the vegetation to the point where there was no more rainfall. Stop and think about that shit. They ate everything. It was a fucking desert. The people that lived here were like, hey man, we gotta kill these

goddamn goats so the water comes back. And you can't just kumbaya them and, hey, guys, you've got to eat only your fair share of lettuce. It doesn't really work that way. Well, that's what you said. I'm no wildlife management expert, but there is – like these islands like this, coming from New Zealand last month and coming to this island of lanai you just realize what happens in a closed ecosystem like a place where there is no opportunity for things to to move on i mean that there just is no opportunity for for and biodiversity is like one of the most important things that you could have here so when you have one or two species

dominating the landscape that's trouble. That is trouble. And so what do you do at that point? You can't, like you said, you can't snuggle these deer off this island. You kill them. You bring a shitload of arrows. Yeah, you bring a shitload of arrows. You bring 50 arrows. Wildlife biologists. And a big old Yeti cooler.

Wildlife biologists and, well, the Department of Wildlife in California has done a very interesting thing. And it's very controversial. But what they've done is they've outlawed hunting predators. You can't hunt mountain lions. So because of that, there's very few deer. And because of that, you really don't have to worry about deer accidents. Deer and car accidents kill, I think it's 150 people a year, and there's – I think it's actually 200 people a year and 1.5 million accidents. I think it's about somewhere around there, which is insane.

And John, where you live, I mean you're the perfect person to talk to about that. When I came to your place, dude, we were there during the rut and we saw deer bouncing in front of the road left and right. We saw dead deer on the side of the road left and right we saw dead deer on the side of the road left and right i mean they're just people are constantly smashing into them right oh yeah we did that on the podcast with you it says an estimated of 1.23 million deer vehicle collisions occurred in the u.s between july 1 2011 and and June 30, 2012 costing more than $4 million in vehicle damage.

$4 billion. $4 billion in vehicle damage according to State Farm. I'd be like, damn, that's a cheap accident. Wesley Walls. 1.5 million car accidents only cost $4 million? This is amazing. What kind of cars are we making?

America. Goddamn tanks. Driving around. Knocking these faggot deer off the road. Wow, that's incredible. $4 billion a year. 200 deaths in $4 billion a year. 200 deaths And four billion a year 200 deaths

That is truly incredible But that's an imbalanced ecosystem That's too many deer I mean it's great if you want to live in Iowa Like John Dudley And whack them and stack them Yeah for sure But I mean

Unless aliens come down in spaceships And start fucking setting up blinds Why would aliens come to a flat Earth? Why would they come to a flat Earth? The same reason why we come to Lanai.

So they can do heads or tails? Aliens just have It's hard to get here but it's a target rich environment. They have nuclear slingshots and they like to take us out from the fucking skies.

Oh my god. They like hide behind clouds. Cat lady's getting deep. Yeah. We just gotta get really good at like bobbing and weaving. And the dudes who have good headband want to go live. You hear a sound? Drop a jump.

I'll come to whatever feeder they set up if it's okay. What if it's like an In-N-Out burger feeder? Like damn. If it's like an Axis Deer. I didn't know. Axis Deer. Imagine all these years. I never thought of that.

Yeah. Aliens made In-N-Out burger. Imagine. It would be delicious. Imagine if. Aliens made In-N-Out Burger? Imagine. It would be delicious. Imagine if they start looking into In-N-Out Burger. They're like, there's no one who formed this corporation. Like we've gone deep into the. They're the only person that doesn't have a bun.

So all like paleo people are going there? Yeah, yeah, yeah. All the in shape actually physically superior people are going there. They figured out how to attack the rutting elk. Oh, damn it. The rutting bull elk of the humans. Why are those big trail cams by the Whole Foods? What's that thing on the light post?

Nothing. What are your burger, pussy? Shit, man. All humans do is consume. And we just wake up in the morning and consume. What are your burger pussy? Now we're like Shit man All humans do is consume And we just wake up in the morning and consume And produce And produce

Yeah I mean We could look at the negative side all day But we're the reasons why there's irrigation And cell phones And satellite dishes Yeah man It's good and bad And that big ass TV

Look at that big ass TV That wasn't made by squirrels That's true I argue with vegans all the time That hunters are trying to do the same thing as them Big-ass TV. Look at that big-ass TV. That wasn't made by squirrels. That's true. I argue with vegans all the time that hunters are trying to do the same thing as them. We're trying to control our consumption, same as you. I think vegans mean well. They do mean well. I think most of them mean well.

And I think most of them look at us the same way a lot of people look at a lot of things that they're ignorant to. They cast these judgments on it. And it's not because they're bad people. It's because they just don't understand the full complexity of all the variables that are involved in this equation that is life. Emotional attachment to their worldview.

Veganism is part of their emotional view of the world. Oh! The mini bar is empty! I opened that beer with a fucking custom knock-on knife, ladies and gentlemen. Before I get yelled at by my kids,

I've got to wrap this bitch up. It's 3.09 here. Yeah, the hunt is done. Perfect timing. Our friends are picking us up to go hunting right now, too. Yeah, that's probably why Brandon was calling us. Yeah, it's 3.09. 3.09, over 30, you're was calling us. Yeah, it's 3-0-9. 3-0-9.

Okay. So, everyone, ladies and gentlemen. We're at the 2005 Arnold Class Series. Ah! Come on, man.

I know you've Googled. No, no, no. Wes Sims. Wes Sims. Wes Sims. Wes Sims. With the knee to the face in the second round,

please, somehow. All right. Well, I think we realized that the perfect arrow is in the second round. Please, somehow. Well, I think we realized that the perfect arrow is in Adele's song. Oh, my phone died.

I think we realized that. We realized that Sam's vision for creating this hunting bus is a beautiful thing. We realized that Shane Dorian is addicted to bow hunting. We did. We realized that Yeti coolers are the greatest coolers on the planet Earth.

We realized that we're coming back to Lanai every year. We're not telling you when though, you fucking weirdos. Don't go stalking us. Don't please. That's it. Live from Lanai Thank you very much

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