The Joel Klatt Show: A College Football Podcast - Big Noon Conversations: QB Roundtable with Robert Griffin III & Brady Quinn

Episode Date: August 19, 2026

In this special Big Noon Conversations Roundtable episode, Fox Sports’ lead College Football analyst Joel Klatt is joined by Heisman Trophy winner Robert Griffin III and Notre Dame All-American QB Brady Quinn as the trio discuss all things about the Quarterback position – stories from their playing days to breaking down the best in the sport today. They dive into which coaches that they would love to play for if they were in college football right now and whether the current rules around NIL and the Transfer Portal would have changed the trajectories of their careers – and even led to them changing schools. The guys also make their picks for which current QBs like Michigan’s Bryce Underwood, Texas’ Arch Manning and Notre Dame’s C.J. Carr remind them most of their earlier playing days and RG3 tells the wild story of his postgame conversation with then-Texas Head Coach Mack Brown that could have altered college football history. Chapters 🏈0:00-1:34 Brady Quinn and Robert Griffin III join Joel Klatt1:35-5:38 What you loved the most about being a QB5:39-10:45 How to handle the pressure of being a QB10:46-21:20 Has QB development suffered with changes in the CFB landscape?21:21-23:22 Would Brady Quinn have still finished his CFB career at Notre Dame in today’s landscape?23:23-27:40 Robert Griffin III’s recruiting story27:41-29:40 Joel Klatt’s Texas story29:41-36:32 Reflecting on NFL coaching staff & success as current head coaches36:33-41:30 Brady Quinn & Robert Griffin III reflect on NFL career41:31-47:41 Who would the guys love to play for in the current CFB landscape47:42-51:59 Struggles young QBs face between transferring or waiting for their turn to play52:00-58:46 What current players remind the guys of themselves Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Their skills are way higher. Way higher. In the 100, I was a 10-3 guy. When I ran 100, there was a 10-3. It just was that 80? Yeah. Why wouldn't you put a system in place that he's good at? They think their kids gonna be the next Tom Brady.

You don't have Tom Brady in your household. I'm just telling you. All right, welcome into a special edition of the Joel Clad Show. is the quarterback roundtable presented by Hilton Hilton for the stay. Really excited to have two legends with me here today. And actually, I wore my green for both of them. So, guys, I feel like I'm supporting Baylor and Notre Dame here. We are with Heisman Trophy winner Robert Griffin III and Brady Quinn from Notre Dame, obviously.

Guys, thanks for joining me. Thanks for having us, man. I'm excited about this. You to be here, man. This is awesome. Can't wait for the season. And obviously, we can get into the season a little bit. but I wanted to talk more about just general quarterback play.

I feel like this is a perfect time, in particular coming off of last year's draft. It was a light quarterback draft. Now all of a sudden we're loaded in college football with what seems to be as deep of a quarterback room, if you will, in college football as we've had in a long time. But here's where I wanted to start. And I thought this would just be kind of a fun icebreaker. Either of you can jump in. What did you guys love most about being a quarterback? Wow. That is a great question. So I love the camaraderie most, the leadership. Football is the ultimate team sport. I was a track guy growing up. My first love was basketball. And you can be an individually great basketball player and still go great places. But as a football player, as a quarterback, you have to be able to bring the rest of the guys along with you. When I got hurt in 2009 in college, a lot of people forget, I told my ACL in college as well. And I'm sitting on the training team.

table and my teammates are running by and they're giggling and laughing, going to practice. And I don't know about you guys, but I hated practice at first. But then I got hurt and it was taken away from me. I fell in love of football at that point because I knew, like, there's something about getting 11 other guys on one play to all do it the right way so that you can go win. Then you multiply that to 90 in college and 53 in the NFL. So to me, that leadership, portion of being a quarterback is what made me love football. I'll talk about it more from an individual standpoint.

I just don't know of all the sports I play. And I was a big football, baseball, basketball all my life growing up. There's no other sport that tests you physically, mentally and emotionally. Like, I love a challenge. And I think, you know, playing the position challenges you in so many different ways, whether it's that leadership component like you're talking about with everyone else, whether it's just your decision making, right? I mean, and it's applicable for like the rest of your life as a husband, as a dad,

as a, you know, business leader. So there were so many things about it that just made it fun from that standpoint for me that I was like, man, this is awesome. You know, like you have the ball on your hands. You're in a lot of control. And it's hard. I mean, there's days where you're going to get your butt kick. You got to get back up.

There's days where you're going to have the best day of your life. But you've got to kind of humble yourself, too, to realize, you know, that butt kick can come next week, too. So there's so many things about it that I love. But I think just the challenge of it in every single way. I personally loved the difficulty of the mental side of the game. Yeah. And the challenge of the 22 man chessboard.

I loved it. I loved watching film. I still love watching film because of that. And trying to unlock for your guys, how are we going to attack? What are we going to do? What are the things that we need to change? How do we need to adjust? That was my favorite.

And granted, like, you guys are obviously physically very talented. I'm not. You know, I was short and slow. And so... I hope all your listeners and people who watch this don't believe this. You play professional baseball, too. Well, I mean, that's...

That doesn't mean that I was whole and fast. There's not many people who are going to have the opportunity to be standout athletes in two sports. Well, I mean, that's nice of you to say. But you know what I'm saying. Like, there's a gifted side of playing the position, you know, where you can do some There's a ceiling. Yeah, that's right. And my challenge was, without some of those physical gifts, how do we continue to move the football?

You know, how do we do those things? But this is what makes the position so incredible in my eyes is because there's not an more important position in all of team sports as the quarterback. And yet we have all shapes and sizes that are succeeding at every single level. You know, you've got Bear Bachmeyer succeeding at BYU and Brock Purdy in the NFL, and you've got Patrick. and you've got Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen and C.J. Carr and all these guys. And they all look different. And they all do it differently. One of the things that I think is the most fascinating part of the position is, and you touched on it. So I'll go back to you, Robert. You touched on you loved the camaraderie of it.

And yet, the buck stops with you. So you're playing. You're going to get all the credit. You're going to get all the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the. blame if it doesn't go right. And yet, you've got to make the other 10 or 90 or 53 feel like you're just one of the guys. And it might be the most difficult part of the position. How did you handle that? Man, you know, you talk about accountability. Right. So we had this saying at Baylor that I ended up adopting and taking with me when I went pro and there was no pressure, no diamond. Is there any position in football that has more pressure on it than the quarterback? Not even close. Not even close, right?

So now you're having to make decisions. You talk about decision-making. You're having to operate and perform at the highest level in the biggest moments. And I'll never forget, we had the game against Oklahoma. We're through the touchdown to Terrence Williams and the corner of the end zone. Highest in a moment, right? After the game, they, you know, meet and ask me like, hey, it's a Friday night game. They're like, hey, what do you think about what happened?

And, you know, most guys would have probably been like, oh, man, it was so great. I did this. I did that. I did this. And I remember talking about my offensive line. And Cam Cawfield, he's a doctor now. He was in my offensive line that picked me up off the ground after the throw, lifted me up in the air and, like, shook me and said, we did it.

I gave him a shout out after the game and gave my offensive line a shout out for protecting me. Even though it was a play where they didn't really block that well. Because you're on the back. You know? They blocked long enough. They blocked long enough. But it was like, hey, I had to scramble and go do this. And like when I went in the locker room the next day,

the look on their face of like, we appreciate you having our back. That to me is how you break through because everyone's going to point to you when you were balling at Notre Dame, they're like, man, great, Glenn's incredible. But when you deflect that attention and you give it to the rest of your guys, that's what endears you to them. And some people say it's just football talk, it's just coach talk, it's just press conference talk. But those guys take that to heart. Because when you go to the media and you don't do that, it has the opposite effect. Sure.

So that was my way. Like too many coaches, in my opinion, focus on what a guy can't do. I wanted to be able to focus on what they can do. I want to focus on what motivates them, right? What drives them intrinsically to be the best? You guys are both great leaders. You had guys that were motivated by money, motivated by women, motivated by the attention. Some guys just love ball.

But you had to find a way to lead each one. one of those guys inside of your 11 on the field and make them all be on the same page. To me, that was one of the greatest joys of my life. I miss it, to be quite honest. Now we have it in broadcasting. So it's the camera guys. It's the production assistants. And that's how we have our team now.

But there's no greater feeling than being in that arena and being able to leave those guys. I think one of the challenges and everything you just said there, too, for some guys is, and I think they make this mistake is they try to be someone or not. Correct. You know, like they try to be who they think their coaches want them to be or their teammates want them to be. Or the media wants them to be. Or the media wants them to be. And being genuine, being who you are, and for a lot of guys.

And I'm trying to think of so. I just was at Big Ten Media Days. And I'll just say his name. Dante Moore. Sat down with him before the Northwestern game last year and talked. And it was before a game. So maybe he was just a little bit more kind of calm and quiet and just ready for the game. but the demand the command he had the demeanor he had was just entirely different and when I asked

Dan landing about that he said no no he's this is like a second year starting like he's taking the reins taking control and and he's doing it in his way right right and he's not trying to you know be a guy that necessarily has to be a raw raw guy sure but he's going to speak up and correct something if something goes wrong correct and I think that is one of those kind of fine lines where you got to figure it out for yourself because oftentimes there are guys who are more chatty like that, like Baker Mayfield. He's one of the first comes to mind, right? He's going to talk.

He's going to say a lot. There's some guys who, like, the coaches might want them to do that, right? But that's not naturally how they are. And it might take them a lot to get there. So I think being genuine to who you are to as you lead those guys and how you lead them is a big factor as well

and getting them to trust you. So they feel like that that is the guy that I'm going to follow. So I'm hearing so much. similarities. Like, I'm resonating with everything that you guys are talking about. And I don't want to be the old guy yelling at the clouds. I really, I really don't. You're not that old. However, I don't. I trust me, I feel like it's going to be. I'm getting there. He's getting there. So, sometimes I feel when I'm covering this sport, that especially the young guys that that I see play in this position, I'm like, man, it feels like I'm talking to a tennis player. It feels like,

I'm talking to an individual sport athlete. You know, he's had his individual coach, played at three high schools, maybe it's his second college or college program. And it strikes me as guys that don't quite like understand all the things that you guys were just talking about. And yet there's others that really do it well. Do you see the same thing in the modern day and era of quarterback playing college football? I was going to say it's interesting, like a few thoughts here.

The first is I think because of all that, these young men are more prepared than ever before from like a mechanical standpoint. Like when I watch the throwing motion, I watch them their footwork and the things they can do even now like to create and like have different arm angles. Like all these kids can kind of do it now. Their skills are way higher. Way higher. Yeah. And there's not like that strong. of, hey, I was a three sport athlete.

You get to the Notre Dame, and they're like trying to work on your, you know, your emotion, your release or whatever else. None of that really exists anymore. And I think from a mental, like a sports psychology mental standpoint, there's preparedness ever before because of some of that. However, I don't know if they know the X's and O's,

as necessarily maybe as how we were taught. I think there's an element of them being able to thrive with the change in moving around because a lot of these guys who have grown up in the seven-on-seven culture, it's like A-U basketball. It's like getting picked up with different teams. And so you're running these concepts

for a different seven-on-seven team or with different receivers, but you kind of just plug in and you do it. And so they're a little more comfortable with like, I don't need to be in this place for that long and be the quarterback for that. It's odd. It's foreign to us,

but I also think it's the environment they've grown up in because of some of the seven-on-seven. But to your point, like, and obviously you were most recent, like it feels just like for you, like it feels completely foreign to me, even like the huddle almost being eliminated in football now.

Yeah, it's crazy. It's crazy to see you guys like never huddled, right? No. You didn't. I'm a fly on the wall right now. Was that a transition for you, though, when you got to the NFL? Yes. I did.

So in high school, we huddled. College, we didn't huddle at all. But our coaches made us huddle my last year in college just so the NFL could see it. Yeah. Just for me? Because they knew, like, hey, a couple of other guys. So you came in. So I was, just like a little back story, right when I started this industry, I was going down to Dallas and doing Big 12 studio for halftimes and pregames.

And there was this freshman that we were like, hey man, who's this? You know, Robert Griffin the third? Like, who's this? And I was like at Baylor? And the old Big 12, Baylor was nothing. No, we weren't. I mean, nothing, right? It's true.

These are facts. These are facts. And so when you got there, you guys took the world by storm. moves, a very different style of offense, Art's offense, Art Browell's was the head coach, and you're running around. There's this track athlete playing quarterback, and he's doing it incredibly well. So you're telling me that after your first couple of years, Art put you in the huddle just so that the NFL would see you in a huddle. Just so he could see it because guys like Kevin Cobb had come out of Houston, and Houston was really, really good. But a knock on Kevin was,

all they do is run no huddle. He has no huddle experience. So as I, as we started to grow and get more notoriety, coach went in the offseason of my junior year, it was my retro sophomore year, he made sure, like, we had huddle plays. And we did, we ran huddle, you know, maybe 40 times that year of a thousand plays. But the NFL could see it

and not put that same stigma on me. So, I mean, you can kind of blame us for the way that college football is today because it was so successful offensively. Now, we couldn't play defense to save our lives. Sorry, my defensive guys. To your point, it's an equalizer. 100%.

Like you guys were able to say, if we're playing Oklahoma, if we're playing Texas, like this gives us a distinct advantage that we can win this way where if you're trying to, you know, play in between the tackles a little time,

there's no way I was going to be. They would dominate us. Right. They were bigger. They were faster. We had, you know, I was a four-star guy, but they had seven,

five stars and 24-4 stars. Right. So our equalizer was getting tired. Well, it was you. Yeah. Appreciate that. Right. But it was like getting

them tired by running that no huddle and having a quarterback like myself who did have the the physical gifts but developed like that that's one of the things that i think is a problem with college football today is the quarterbacks don't have time to develop interesting if you guys would have saw me when i was a freshman like i was running for i ran for like 200 some odd yards against washington state i remember right i don't think i had a 200 yard rushing game my my last year when we won the heisman But we threw for 4,000 yards and however many touchdowns because I was able to actually develop. Whereas now these guys, they come in, they're making NIL money. The expectation is so much higher on them that if they're not a superstar day one, they're like get them out of here.

Dante Moore at UCLA. Or replace him. Or replace him. He goes to UCLA. He does it play that well. He goes to Oregon and he gets a year to sit. He got to develop. That is missing in college football right now.

Did you get to develop? I mean, you came in highly recruited. Yeah. No, I played every game, my true freshman. And then something for us was Ty Willingham, when I went to go play for, I wanted to graduate early. I wanted to enroll in January. He didn't, he didn't want me to do that.

He's like, I want you to enjoy your senior year. He's like, you only go through this once. Oh my gosh, can you imagine? Yeah, I was kind of chomping out the bit because I'm like, Coach did you get fired. If you said that now. But obviously times have changed, but I try to go up in summertime when I could, but we couldn't even like enroll in classes then.

It's just that, that's how different it was. And so you'd go up as much as I could. I went up during spring break as much as I could to be with the team and get the offense down. So I had a good feel for it. But again, you know, very raw and just trying to my best to, you know, learn the offense, adapt to what that academic life was like, which was way harder than anything I was prepared for at that point.

So it was a big time transition for me to try to manage both. And honestly, even like the life skills part, right? Like time management, like understanding like how much I could. really devote to that and still, you know, do this as best as I could in my, you know, freshman fall semester, which was incredibly difficult. So, so we've established now in our conversation, we've got, and I would agree with this, we've got players at this position right now in college football that are more skilled than they've ever been.

Yeah. Right. And yet, I think we would all be in agreement. We don't know if the development is there to get them ready for the next level. Which I'd ask you. And only because, like, our high school back in my hometown, I think it's kind of running this similar system. It's maybe a version of Tennessee's right now. But when I'm, when they did the install, I was like, all right, got it.

But it seems fairly simple. Yeah. Right. Like, can I just define it real quick? So what Brady's talking about, just so everyone knows, this is the deep choice system that Art Riles made very famous. You can describe it better than I can, I'm sure. Josh Heipel is running that very successfully, by the way, at Tennessee. No one scored more points in college football since Heipel got to Tennessee than Tennessee.

Correct. But it is a half-field passing offense, meaning that the quarterback is going to be responsible for half the field, not a full-field read, which a lot of, that's how I cut my teeth. I'm sure you did as well. And then explain this because the route structure is not defined by the concept, but rather by the wide receiver. Correct. So the quarterback and the receiver have to both read the deep. defense the same way. So the only way to be successful at a deep choice offense, post snap,

post snap, pre and post snap, right? Right. Because you know, you got more defensive that are disguising now. So the half-field read portion of it, when people hear that, they're like, oh, they're not reading the whole field. They are. It's just you're starting on one side and coming back to the other. So in the NFL, we call that a peer progression. Yeah. Right. So they'll go right to left, but their deep choice is on the right. Everything else that's coming to it is just checkdowns. So it took me, like to really perfect that offense, you've got to be in it for two to three years. Because you got to have the same guys. Because if I had Kendall Wright, first round receiver to the Tennessee Titans, I had Terrence Williams, who's the third rounder to the Cowboys. Tevin Reese was a small guy that went fifth round, I believe, to the Bengals.

So all these guys are with me for three, four years. So I knew when Kendall had a deep choice in the corner was five yards off, he was running a go ball. Even if the guy was seven yards off when he got to his decision, he was running a go ball. I knew that. I knew Terrence Williams was going to sit it down no matter what. So how can a guy figure that? How can a guy figure that out if he's only had three months to practice with that? He can't.

It's why Nico did UCLA now. Some people thought he, I didn't think he struggled too much, but they thought he struggled a little bit in the Tennessee offense. Well, he just got there. Yeah. You got to build that camaraderie with those guys. And I wanted to answer your other question because I thought you made a great point. When I came out of high school throwing the ball mechanically wise, I was probably like you. They changed everything when I got to college.

These guys now, I mean, I'm practicing what some of them, I got a high school freshman. He's way better than I was when I was a freshman in college. And it's like, well, what's lacking? I think buy-in is lacking. And the mental side of the game is lacking. When I say buy-in, I grew for five years with the guys that I played with. They knew and I knew we had each other's best interests at heart. I still think high school football is one of the best things we have because you get to grow with the guys from first grade to 12th grade.

But even that's changing. Because you mentioned, they're going to three different high schools. So how can a guy have buy-in if he just met this guy three months ago? Right. And he was brought in from the 14th school that he's been to. to be a great wide receiver. It's very difficult to find that. So the great coaches, like a Kurt Signetti at Indiana, they build the structure that allows buy-in to be real. So it's more on the coaches now that it is the players. And I think that's difficult for guys like us to see because we

had the natural built-in camaraderie. Yeah. We worked with these guys for four years. We knew that we were going to be there. We knew we were going to be there. That guy's not leaving to go to our rival. So, yeah, so we're beating around the transfer portal now and the dynamic that that brings to college football. I think it would be a fascinating question for you. Like you committed to coach Tyrone Willingham. That's where you're going to go and play for Notre Dame and for your coach. But then he's fired. Yeah.

And he's no longer your coach. In today's age, would you have finished at Notre Dame if your coach would have been fired? I mean, it's obviously a loaded question because, you know, some of the schools I was looking at that were around me, Ohio State, for example. One of the reasons why I didn't want to go to Ohio State was they'd won the national championship

of my senior year, but I think, you know, they threw the football 16 times in that game, 15 times. So I was like, that doesn't look fun. You know, like, I don't want to do that. Now, you look at what Ryan Day is done with the quarterbacks and what that offense looks like, it's entirely different story. So you'd go throw to Jeremiah Smith?

Yeah, but I didn't even mention who you're throwing to. So then it's like, all right, like, this looks like a lot more attractive situation, which even back then, though, they still had great receivers. You're only doing it 15, 16 times a game. So that would have for sure played a role and played a factor. I mean, look, I chose Notre Dame back then for more than just the football aspect of it, and even just our coach, like the academic side of it, the spiritual side of it.

Those are all things that, like, it was the right fit for me. But to your point, I mean, even then, there was a second of doubt. There was like a conversation with my dad where I said, And I don't know, should I look around? Should I look at other places to go at this point? I mean, the difference then is like I still had a register year to burn. So it would- Do you really want to do that?

After starting for basically two years, it's like, probably not. And so that was part of the difficult part of the conversation. But again, like money wasn't a part of that discussion. Right. If it was today's day, I'm a human. There's no way I'm going to lie to you guys and say, like, I wouldn't have contemplated it or potentially looked at that. I mean, a two-year starter, just to get, we're not beating around the bush. Like, someone would have come and thrown you well north of $5 million.

Yeah, I think that team now is basically either Texas Tech or Miami. It's the way they're throwing money around, for being honest. Yeah. And, you know, at that point, I mean, Texas Tech had a hell of an offense. Yeah. It's Tony Campbell's call. You're like, all right, Kevin. It's hard to turn that down.

Lovick sounds good this time of here. Yeah. You know, like, I don't know. What's in Lubbock? I don't know. Hey, man, I'm not going to rag on Lubbock, but that's good. I got a great story for you, though. At Desjardin Insurance, we know that when you own a nail salon,

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Yeah. So I did get recruited by a bunch of other schools, but they, you know, big schools still wanted me at quarterback, but the ones like Texas A&M, which was in the Big 12 at the time, Texas, they all wanted me as a safety. I wasn't going to play safety in high school. Did you play safety in high school? So, I mean, you know, it is, it was crazy. I knew I know this story, and it still is just like, this is incredible. It was the speed portion of it. I was a world-class track athlete, and they didn't know if I could translate over to playing quarterback at that level, because in high school, we were kind of like Ohio State. We threw the ball like 16, 18 times a game. But Coach Brownson knew I could throw. I had been to camp with him, and he didn't. He was at Houston. While he was at Houston, he asked me not to go to any other camps, because he didn't want the other coaches to see me throw the ball. I like that. That was funny, and he was right, and it all worked out. But freshman year, Baylor would play against Texas.

Max Brown's the head coach. It's 20 to 20 at half time. We're beating them up pretty good. They're a little shocked. They beat us 42 to 20. Not going to lie. They were like number one team in the country. That's how the game finished.

After the game, Mac Brown met me at the middle of the field. Like, he's a little older, so it wasn't quite a run, but it was what a run would look like for an older Mac Brown. And he ran to me in the middle of field and he said, if you want to transfer to Texas, right now we will take you. We really messed it up in your recruiting. it up in your recruiting. We shouldn't ask you to play safety. We should ask you to play quarterback. And if that would have happened now, you're looking at a situation where

that's probably our G3 not playing at Baylor because of where we were at the time. I'm glad that I didn't even contemplate it because obviously at that point, we'd have to sit out for two years. But if that happened today, there's no questioning if I would have actually stayed at Baylor. So I ran track of Baylor too. I ran so I actually ran track before I ever played football. Do you want to know he did? Well, you were hurdles. So you said you wanted to go and practice at Notre Dame your second semester, your senior year, right? Yeah.

So he enrolls at Baylor. Do you know what he did? Literally, he's supposed to be at prom. Yeah. What did you do? Won the big 12 and the four under hurdles, went to the nationals, got third, and went to the Olympic trials and got 11th. Good God. What are we doing?

So that is insane. What's crazy about today's world, though, is. I would encourage every single athlete out there to go into college as a dual sport athlete. I totally agree with this. Because you have the loophole of leaving and transferring during your track window. Correct. Which to me is like not enough multi-sport athletes in particular. But that's a great life hack right there.

It is. But that's what I'm saying. It's like that's what in today's world would have opened up that door, even if it was after the window was closed, you still had tracked a lien on. And a lot of these kids now, we keep coaching them to specialize, specialize, specialize. It's like, never special art. No, he'll leave your options open if you can. I think the thing that shocks me about your story specifically with, with, and I love Mack Brown.

I think we all probably do. He's awesome. You know, he's a great dude. I know, you probably have a, you know, interesting, you know. I love Mac. I do. I thought it was an honest moment for him. Sure.

And then when we won the Heisman, I just looked back on that moment like, this could have been yokes. But here's what, what shocks me is that you revolution. Lucianized college football and Coach Briles did in a lot of ways. But the guy in my eyes that like everybody was like, whoa, what is this? Is Vince Young? Right? And that was with Mack. And that's right before, that's like right when you're in high school. And he and he didn't see it. I know. Now granted, Colt was there and they had a great run with Colton and after that it kind of fell off. But you would have been right after Colt. Yeah, and I loved Colt. And I was teammates with Colton

Washington actually. Right. And, you know, Vince was a hero to all of us. Oh. So like I got to me. Can I say we played against him? He was a hero to me. Can I say that? We love you. We love them. But now you're making yourself not sound that old. How old were you at how old was Vince? I was older than everybody. Oh man. I remember a quick vent story. We get beat. We played them tough the first time we played them in 05. This is our national championship year. And we go down to Austin and we play them. I can't remember the final score. I think it was like 4221, I want to say. But it was, you know, like we were in Austin. They're great. We're holding our own.

I got two quick stories. So first, the Vince one. After the game, you know, he comes up. He's like, hey, hey, hey, nice job. And then he's like, go get that money. And I was like, hey, man, I don't like, only one of us is getting drafted, man. Like, I don't know. You know, but I was like, yeah.

You know, like, you, of course. What are you supposed to say? What are you going to say? But then during the game I just want about stiff, you are, I mean, like, you know, I'm like,

I got that baseball money, Vince. Yeah, you know. I got it. I got it all right. I got it, man. Got a house back in Boulder. So during the game, I'm rolling out to the left

and I kind of let the ball go and just get, you know, remember back in the day, like, we got hit. Hit. Just, bam. And it's one of those where you hit. the ground and you just like slide on your back for a while. Yeah.

You know? It's like the dew on the ground. Yeah. Yes. And I slide into the Texas bench, you know. And lo and behold, I'm looking up like this and who's like bins over and it's Mac Brown. He did not say, hey, if you want to transfer in Texas. He just looked at me and goes, you are right, son.

And I was like, yeah, yeah, I'm good. And he like helped me up and he hit me on the button. And he goes, all right, good luck. And I like jogged back on the field. So that was... Get your ass back. Yeah, he's like, go get in there. It wasn't first down there.

Go get that whoopin. Yeah, that's right. Go get that money. I wanted... You touched on Washington and you guys both, you know, transition as first round draft picks into the NFL. And you talked about the development in college. You talked about the development in college.

And then you end up in Washington with a coaching staff that is going to go down as like one of the all-time great coaching staffs. Mike Shanahan is your head coach. Kyle Shanahan is there. Sean McVeigh is there. Matt LaFleur is there. Mike McDaniel is there. And Raheem Morris is on the defensive side. Correct. So all of those guys went on to be head coaches and very successful head coaches. What was that like? Man, it was one of the smartest coaching staffs that I'd ever been a part of. When you look back on it, to me, it reminds me of this conversation of quarterback development. If I take my freshman in high school that I'm training right now and I put him at

Alabama right now, he would not be ready because there's a process to get to there. Those coaches weren't ready to be head coaches at that time in 2012. But through that experience, working through the highs and lows, because in 2012, we crushed it, right? Come in, they build an offense that is identical to what I ran in college, essentially, take the league by storm, and, you know, honestly, we do believe we would have won the Super Bowl had and not gotten hurt. But those guys weren't ready to be head coaches at that point. But they went through that. Howell then went to Cleveland. He went from Cleveland to Atlanta and got to work with Matt Ryan. But Cleveland wasn't pretty for him. But that process of going through everything that they had to go through,

whether it was issues with ownership or how you treat people, how you coached. different guys from different areas. It prepared them all to be head coaches. And now all of them had varying success. But the one thing I've always said about Kyle, he's the most brilliant offensive line that I've been around in the NFL. He used to give us... Is there a moment that you like realize that? Like, he's telling you something you're like, oh my gosh. Yeah. And you've heard other quarterbacks say this too, from Brock Purdy to Matt Ryan, Mac Jones, you know, who resurrected his career there with the 49ers. He'll... tell you something and be like, hey, this is the play call, this is what the coverage is going to be.

Right. This is how they're going to make the adjustment middle of the game. And this is how we're going to attack that. You get in the game and lo and behold, there's the coverage. There's the adjustment. And you always felt like when you were playing with Kyle, you were ahead of the defense. A lot of times coaches play behind the defense and they react as opposed to being proactive and forcing the defense to do something. So I realized that after our by week, my rookie year,

because it's one thing to say it in practice, and you got London Fletcher over there, who's an incredible player calling out all the plays, and I didn't realize until my next year that he was calling out all the plays, because you got the script before practice and you knew what plays were coming. I'd still love you, London.

But it was midway through my rookie year that I realized that. I'm like, dang, this is incredible. And then Sean McVeigh was our tight-ins coach. And then he became my offensive coordinator in 2014. And I knew Sean was always going to be great because he just knows how to connect. He knows how to connect with people at a personal level and knows how to motivate them. But I always look back on that coaching staff and I'm like, man, I don't think any of them would have predicted that they would have been head coaches. And especially not Kyle or Sean to the extent that they have and played in multiple Super Bowls and done all these things.

But it was a part of the process. And I think people can't get too far ahead in that process. That's what I learned from those guys. Shoot, I remember me and Sean McVeigh when he was in college. I mean, I thought he was, you could tell us, like, this dude's going to be a coach one there. It was the way he conducted himself. But he brought up a great point, and this is just more of a quarterback thing. But script readers, man, I don't know how many times you guys were in quarterback competitions,

but there was always that dude that would go look at the script. Yes. So when he went out there, he knew exactly what the coverage was so he could look good in the competition. You're like, this isn't what it's going to be like in a game, though. And usually that always caught up with them. But I, oh, man, that always bothered me. I was like, you don't need to go look at what it's going to be. Or they come back and be like, well, they didn't play it right.

You're like, well, how do you know that? How do you know? Yeah. Oh, it's supposed to be, you know, it's supposed to be in cover four. It's like, well, they weren't. They made the adjustment. Yeah, this might happen in a game to you. I can't tell you.

I mean, that drove me nuts because I wasn't a great practice player in general. I needed a game in operating the offense. Because as you guys know, like practice is off the script. It's very sterile. But a game, you've got the play clock. You've got the huddle. You know, maybe not the huddle. But you know what I mean?

Like, you've got all this operation. And that's where I thrives was the operation of the offense. Because then it's just about, can you get first downs? Can you put the ball in the exam? That's all it's about at that point. It's not about looking a certain way. Just move the football. So I used to beg Gary Barnett.

Because again, all these kids had been recruited. I was a walk-on. Yes, I'd played baseball, but I walked on. And all these kids, like, looked better than I did. You know, throwing the football and everything, and they were script readers. And they were, you know, and it was like, oh, great. You found the seam against cover two. Wow.

Great read. And so I begged them for two things always. I would be like, please let us go off script and team. Just please. Let's just have a call it period where no one knows what's going for the coaches too. It's great for the coaches. And then every scrimmage, and this is against my own self-interest, but I would be like, hey, I would go into Coach Barnett's office the day of the scrimmage. And I would be like, hey, coach, I desperately need a favor.

Because I'd always be behind in the grading, you know, even as the starter. I'm the starter. I'd be behind in the grading. And I would be like, hey, I just need you to make us live today. Like, please. Okay. Like, take the gold jerseys off, make us live today. and he was like,

I can't do that. What if you get hurt? And I was like, I'm, don't worry. I'm like a blow up clown with sand in the bottom. Like, I'll get back.

You know what I mean? Like, bring it, buddy. Bring it. I've got it. And I would beg him to make us live because I need, you know, you needed that, that operation.

I'm fascinated about your career, you know, that you get into the NFL and it was such, you were such a star. in college, you know, cover of magazines. Like in a lot of ways, you are, you experienced in college what now these kids experience being so famous. Now it's social media and NIL deals.

But that was you. You were the Notre Dame quarterback. And your entry into the NFL, like, let's face it, it was bumpy. That was a tough road. So when you got there, what was that like? I think one of the hardest things to do was, you know, you felt like you needed to improve. press everyone. Like, hey, I need to make sure I got to prove everyone wrong, especially everyone in that organization, right? Because once they pass you, you know, when they took Joe

instead of me, I mean, yeah, it was the team I grew up rooting for and, you know, to this day, still love the Browns. But there is a sense of like, all right, I'm going to go back and get these guys. So the tough part was is, and this is kind of going back to the initial point. You know, you can, a quarterback can be played and successful in so many different ways, shapes, sizes, forms. You can also do it with offenses. You know, you can make a lot of of different offenses work and successful. They just have to play to the strengths of the guy who's in that position. Yeah.

And that's the tough part is not every offense in the NFL does that or not every, you know, organization, even school to some degree, always does that. And I think that's what gets misconstrued sometimes is, I mean, it could be anything. Like, pick any career. If you're put in a position where, like, they're not playing to your strengths and you're just trying to fit into a certain hole that, like, yeah, man, square hole round peg, like, you know, that's, it's tough. And I think that's the hard part is once you lose out,

after you have that initial buy-in from an organization that you're a first-round pick, you're trying to scrape back to find it. You're trying to find those advocates, find someone who believes in you again, and you've got to hope you keep your confidence and you believe in yourself. That's one of the hardest things to do

when things aren't working out for you. That's what's so impressive about these guys that, you know, at their second or third location, find their career. Baker and Sam and there's no doubt. To your point, though, like, think about who they work. with like Sam working with Kyle, Sam, you know.

And those guys have such a great football understanding. The reason they didn't stay in Washington was the owner. Right. That was the fight before I got there. So now here I am, 22. I'm fresh out. I'm like, this is great. Yeah.

We're winning. We win the division. And it's like chaos in that offseason. And I was educated on certain things. but just as much as is important for the quarterback to have that structure around him where they can grow and develop, it's also important for coaches. Sure. They have to feel like they have that support organization down. And you said something that I just find so difficult because I've been coaching now for about four to five years.

And I don't quite understand, Joel, how guys that go to the NFL like a Brady Quinn, phenomenal college quarterback, right? superstar, why wouldn't you put a system in place that he's good at? That, I mean, that's... It makes zero sense to me. It's the coach is almost some coaches. Well, because you experienced that. I did. They did that.

They did that for me. So, like, when I hear them, it's almost like they're saying, we're going to do what I do. You're going to do what I do best, not I'm going to do what you do best. And that to me is the number one reason that quarterbacks go from level to level. high school of college, college of the pro, and have struggles. If you think this guy is great, like Fernando Mendoza comes over from Kyle goes to Indiana. Yeah, Kersignetti has what he does, but I promise you their offense is not going to be identical to what it was last year with Josh Hoover this year. Because Hoover does things differently than Mendoza does, and you have to

be able to adjust. At that point, I don't want to get misconstrued, though. Either, like, quarterback is an experiential sport. Like, you have to have reps. And so that offense, and like I said, I felt probably most comfortable about that offense in my second year that any in the NFL I experienced. But I also feel like if I had more time to, you know, that's where you work into like what you do best within that offense. For me, I only started a couple of games, got hurt, was out the rest of the year. That was it. And then that coaching staff was gone, new coaching staff in. So you're starting all over again.

Correct. So there's definitely an element to, you know, just having time and reps in order to get it. And like, practice is one thing, but you guys know, like, you have to be out. There's a lot of reps. You've got to be. And we all had the fortunate aspect of being able to play three seasons of college football, you know, and get a lot of those reps. Now what we're seeing in college football guys is we bring it back to kind of like our sport

is to win the national championship, you better have a guy that has a lot of reps. Now, it might not have to be at that school, right? But he better have experience. You know, that's what we're seeing now with Jay Jim McCarthy and Will Howard and now Fernando Mendoza. and it's one of the things that I'm looking at just a precursor to this season is, all right, who are the guys out there that have

the experience? Cars started a year. Arch has started a year. Dante has started portions of a couple of years now. Julian has a year on his belt. Arch, Trinidad Chambliss has a year on his belt. Darian Minsa has it. Sam Levitt. There's all these guys. I mean, we've got an embarrassment

of riches of quarterback in college football. I would be fascinated, though. You guys had high-profile recruiting opportunities. If you had a son or you go back, take your alma maters off the table. So let's take our colors off the table. Who are the guys that you're like, I'd love to play for him in that offense? I mean, you just name some of them.

I mean, like I look at it now and just say, I love, obviously, first off, I love the way Dan Lannning coaches his team. Like I just, I haven't sat down a bunch of exesies. knows with him but like I love how he goes about how he talks about it how he sees things sark i think is one of the best offensive minds Ryan day is one of the best offensive minds um you know you when you talk to those guys you go over scheme and you watch their tape you can understand how they're attacking who they're attacking quarterback has a strong understanding i know those are like the top line guys but just as a quarterback and offensive minded you know

speaking those guys the ones i look at and go i love this um you know talk to bob chesney for a little bit. You know, he's a guy that we haven't seen in the Power 4 level yet, right? Or at least not at a major, you know, we saw him at JMU for a year, but, you know, you kind of look at, you know, what he's doing now at UCLA. And I'm really curious to see how much Nico grows from there. Sure. You know, that becomes a really attractive place for how he develops quarterbacks throughout his track record. He's done a great job. I mean, those are just some of the places, but look, I think we'd look at offensive might have head coaches, right? I mean, I think it'd be hard to pick a guy who's not. at least in my mind. Yeah, I mean, I think it depends on a position your plan. Like a quarterback. Like quarterback. I think, you know, we heard Chris McNettie talk recently about how in the Big Ten, they don't make excuses and they don't got the hype train.

Like, you can't tell me that it wouldn't make you feel great as a QB knowing that your coach has not just the bravado, but the confidence to go out there and speak that way and know that he's expecting you to go have his back. So I know, like Brady saying, those are the easy ones to kind of point. out for a quarterback play with Ryan Day and what he's done Ohio State and the amount of different coordinators he's had on the

offensive side of the ball and they still have success. Look at the receiving core that they've had over the receiver run they've had like the last four to five, six years. I think they're making like 400 some odd million in the NFL now. Chris just got his deal. Congratulations Chris. Yeah, it's crazy. In front of the show. And if you're talking about

a defensive guy, I actually do think that a guy like Dion Sanders is someone that you want to play for. And the reason is he always takes it on himself. Yeah. I've never seen Dion that was quarterback under the bus, and I know you'll say, oh, well, he's had Chidor, the majority.

But, yeah, hey, let's be real. Last year was some really bad, really bad quarterback play. It was not great. And he never threw the young man under the bus. he always took it on it. We got to be better. I have to be better. I'll do this.

I'll do that. That's the kind of coach you want. Because you want to be successful for that coach. You don't care for the coach that's going to take credit for what you did. I've had coaches in my career where, hey, headset goes out. I got to call the play. They go to the post-game presser. Like, man, I called a great play on this one.

I'm looking at them like, are you serious right now? Right. You didn't call that play. But there's nothing you can say about that. So I think Dion is a guy that you would want to play for. It's not just about the exposure that you get, but at least you know he's going to have your back. And he's had some guys that have left,

and he's never, and he's never torched them. Jordan Seaton, he just went to LSU. Yeah. I think, you know, personally, he should probably still be at Colorado, but he saw an opportunity and he took it, and Deion's never crushed him for leaving and doing that. He wants what's best for his guys, even if they feel like that's not with him.

And don't get me wrong, I think there are some good defensive-minded coaches that do it, right? Kirby Smart's one, Marcus Freeman. has done a tremendous job. I just think if you're asking me as a quarterback, you know, that's who I wanted to go play for. I wanted to go play for Ty Willingham. He was running a West Coast version of what Denny Green had done with the Vikings,

so that was what they were running. So I think there's two thoughts to that. One, like, you know the offense you're going to be running. Like, that's not going to change, you know, that he's got control of that. If you go to play for a defensive mind-head coach, there's a chance that OC gets elevated, right? You lose that guy, and then it's what it comes next.

And you're ahead of the ball off. Yeah, there's a thought that, like, What are we doing for with the one? We're handing it off. We're texting. So, you're going to run the ball. I think there's a couple of thoughts with that. And also, I think to a point you just brought up is when there's adversity, because

there's going to be adversity, usually an offensive amount of head coach sees it. Like, he's paired with the quarterback. And we're always going to look at it that way. And I think having that perspective to me is incredibly important. Yeah. Being able to understand that the weight the head coach carries ain't that different than what a quarterback has to carry. No, and in so many ways, those two guys are linked.

Yeah. You know, and that's why that relationship has to be so strong. A guy we didn't mention yet that, you know, you look at his track record and you might have another one this year is Lincoln Riley. Yeah. I don't think Lincoln gets enough credit for not only the guys that he's had in college, but what those guys have done in the national football league, you know, and succeeded. I agree with you too.

I think he gets a little bit of a bad rap. It's like, oh, that's just an air raid system. And it says, like, those guys have gone out and succeeded, you know, to a high level. And maybe Jade Mova is a guy that can. I'm going to crap out of the football backers. Oh, my gosh. They might run. They might run it.

They will. This year. And they'll throw it 30, 35, 40 times a game if they have to. But I agree with you. Lincoln, by far, one of the best quarterback developers in the country. Yeah. The only question you have to ask is the difference between going to be developed as a QB and going to win a national championship, sometimes that is the deal. But I think Lincoln's got the team this year to be.

to potentially push themselves to get there. But that's what it boils down to. Do you go to those schools to win or you'd go to be developed? I think the question's now too, especially for young quarterbacks coming out, is, you know, would you rather go play to smaller school knowing you can transfer?

Like things go well. Yeah. And, or would you rather go sit and wait? And we saw Ty Simpson worked out for him. Yeah, he sat behind what his turn once he's in, boom, first round pick. And he's quite possibly the best situation ever with the L.A. Rams,

watching Matt Stafford. So it's very rare, though. It is. And I think it's going to continue to be rare because it is so much, about experience and reps. But I think that's a tough question sometimes to answer because you're then basically signing your quarterback up for, you know, probably not having a great network or life after football because you don't know where you're going to end up. You might be moving to

two or three schools. Does he get his degree? Does he not? Like there's a lot of other considerations. I think you have to take into account and the aspect of it doesn't work out. Yeah. Like we always play out these like, hey, it's going to work out. He's going to play in the NFL. That only happens for a select few. Yeah. And I think that's one of the tough things, too, that's happening now is everyone who's got a quarterback in elementary school junior high, they think their kids going to, you know, be the next Tom Brady. It doesn't work out that way. You don't have Tom Brady in your house.

You might think that you don't. I'm just telling you right now. No, it's like, oh, man. It's a great point because I think the Trinidad Chambleau's route is frowned upon sometimes by high school athletes and their parents and the coaches. I don't get it. It's a great route. It's a great route because unless, like, listen, you coming out now, myself coming out, Joe, I don't know what you were ranked when you came out.

I was my baseball. So us coming out now, you guys, buddy. We would be, we would be those guys that get the massive NIL deals and potentially get to start right away if we go in and compete at a high level. But if you're not at that level, like, you're going to go, I've seen guys go to Texas. Trey Owens is one of them. He committed to Texas. He sat for two years and he had to transferred Arkansas State. And I said, well, what if he went to Arkansas State first?

Played for two years. And then he transferred to Texas. Or what opportunities? It might not be Texas. What opportunities? Did Georgia need a quarterback? Exactly. You know, Florida need a quarterback.

It's always better for the young guys to go play. Got to play this position. You can't sit anymore. Sitting was what guys did when we were coming out. I don't think you can sit. You can't sit anymore. And then again, that was a byproduct of the fact that you didn't have the rules they have now with the transfer portal. That would have changed different back then.

I think the five for five is going to impact a lot of those young kids, too, and take up some of those spots. because if you actually look at the numbers of it, right? Like, let's just say a guy starts, let's say his redshirt year, or let's just say he starts as a freshman, right? Especially as early as you can come in now and start taking classes and build your body up to be prepared for the physical punishment you take. You can legitimately, I mean, what would we say,

Brendan Swartz, we were supposed to make $5 billion this past year? Yep. What do you think that number's going to be next year? Sheesh. More than that. Seven or eight? Yeah. What's that after that?

10? Probably. I mean, it's not going down anytime soon. You started doing the quick math on that. Or if someone got $23 million and guaranteed over three years? Like, maybe it's not the worst idea just to exhaust all efforts and stay in college as long as possible. And so I have to go to the pros. And even if you are one of those guys who's viewed as a top 10 pick, at some point, the money is going to be good enough where you say, and that's not including endorsements too, right?

I mean, Dante Moore would have been the second pick probably, you know, and he stays. I talked to some people, too, I thought maybe they liked them as the first overall. Yeah. As far as they could on everything else. And those guys start to examine who. is making those picks? Right. Is this the team that I want to go to, or am I better off staying?

Yeah. Like, Cam Ward's different because he came back and that's why he became the first overall pick. Right. There's a smart decision he ever made. Had a lot of conversations with his group about that. But what if the team that's picking number one isn't the team that you think is actually going to help you long term be the quarterback you want to be?

I told Dante, I was there's no way I was going to see him after last season. Yeah. When he showed up to meet today, I was like, hey, man. Hey, man. As the you are great, I did not expect it to be here. I'll be honest with you. And we talked about it, but what he said to me, and I'm glad it still exists. And I don't care if it's canned or not, whatever.

He said he's like, I had unfinished business. You know, the way last season ended up for them and all that, I loved it too. I loved it. I love it. I was like, I hope it's genuine. Even it's not, I don't care because, like, that's the mission he's on. That's awesome. I love it.

And he's like, he's like, and I don't feel like I'm ready yet. You know, he's like, if I could have gone back for another year of high school before I got into college, which goes back to your point about him at UCLA. He was like, I would have done that. Sure. And it was pretty interesting to hear that perspective of the guy who's in it right now. Last thing. And then we'll wrap this up.

Each of us got to take one guy, okay? Anybody playing college football remind you of you. Oh, God. He's killing me. He's killing me. I'll go first. Thank you. Do you know?

You don't want to say it? I am searching right now. I'm, I know. I can think of comps for. like everyone else. That's a tough comp, but let's do it. Like Drew Messemaker is going to get Ryan Tannanhoe comps all day. All day long.

All day long. Right? Like that's going to be his comp. Your own motion is similar. Mine is, this is not a knock and I think that you're an excellent player and I know I was self-deprecating. But like, listen, I did, I did fine. Right. I did fine. Rocko Becked. Mm. Go get them.

Okay. I love Rock. I actually love that comp. That's a great comp. I like Brock Quebec as well. I'm trying to think of someone. He's got moxie. You got moxie. Because there's not as many guys who is like dynamic. And you're a big guy.

It's hard to find like the Brady Quinn build. So, but no, but like the first one that comes to mind, he's not, he's not your size. But I see a lot of like the dual threat ability. DeMont Williams Jr.

Okay. Like, because I don't know that there's anyone who really truly replicates what you did. But he was the only guy to throw for over $3,000, over $500 last year in the Big Ten. Yep. I think he's special.

Like he, again, sizewise wasn't in there, But he's a guy who I'd say like Dark Horse Heisman, without a doubt. And he's got the little bit of transfer or not transfer thing. Not that I did that, but like, Mac tried to on the field, you know? That's a great story. He's got left and he came back like, oh, how's that going to go? That's a great story. I could actually see that.

I agree with you. He's not quite my size. You're a bigger dude than I thought. I remember my first met you. I was like, I didn't think you're as tall as you. A lot people thought I was smaller. Well, everyone says that because they were, we're saying it's alignment. So they're like, oh, I thought you guys.

He was small. These dudes six, six, seven. And you see, like, Robert run. And so you just kind of associate that type of speed with, like, maybe a smaller guy. And you're like, oh, my gosh. I appreciate you guys speaking so high. Would you run the 100? In the 100, I was a 10-3 guy.

Yeah. Yeah. I was amazing. This is great. I love those. When I ran 100, there was a 10-3. It just was that 80. Yeah.

It was what you got to 80 meters. They're like, all right, we got up. Just tell me to stop at 10-3, guys. I'll give you a compliment and I'll give my confidence you guys will probably guess this one but I think Arch Manning

for you and the reason being you're a better athlete than people gave you credit for I appreciate that and I think that Arch is a much better athlete she shocks people because of the manning name he's got that like Trevor Lawrence ability

in the open field correct where it's like whoa and he's his namesake Archie was like that and you know I'm a historian of the game so I know how Archie played which is kind of shocking that Eli and Peyton weren't that mobile.

Yeah, they were different. Arch is very mobile. And I think that you had a little bit of that in your game as well, where you kind of shocked some people with how dynamic you were. And I think the best comp for me this year would be DJ Laigway. And DJ's bigger than me. He's like a legit six foot, three, four, 240 pounds. I'm not that heavy.

When I left college, I was 224. But DJ when he was at his best in high school, at Willis High School and Tom Ball, he was a dual threat guy. And he would throw for 300 and run for 150. So for him to be successful this year, he has to unlock that athleticism again. And I know we've all done our research and we've heard he's been banged up a lot. Yeah. At Florida, calf, hamstring. He was hurt.

He wasn't molded. Not good. What's going on there, right? Let's go back to structure. It's like the structure's not great. Tell you what, man, there's some tape he put out. He made some special throws. I know it didn't work out, but nothing under the Billy Napier era really did.

I'm really excited to see what he does this year. He's one of those guys we haven't mentioned. I don't think it's mentioned enough. He's got a lot of that ability. I just, I don't think it's as dynamic as you. Like, I think he's not as fast. I would say, he's not as fast. Bryce Underwood's the guy I've seen that's closer to kind of your build.

I don't know how fast he is, but I think he's pretty fast. He's got a rocket for an arm. Yep. It's just can he develop into that as a polished passer, like where you were? And obviously he's a sophomore. He's a true sophomore. And that's actually a great comp. I didn't even mention Bryce.

And he didn't come into my head because he hasn't shown that he's going to be that dynamic. Throwing the football. Dual threat. Or he was high percentage throwing the ball. But like DJ took more chances down the field. And as I grew throughout college, I became a much more prolific passer and was able to show off that arm talent. I think DJ has the arm talent. Bryce probably has more of my skill set from a height and body type.

And I think we're going to see that. this year with Kyle Whittingham being the offense and back being Jason Jason Beck being a coordinator they're going to run him like he is going to be running there's no doubt what you're running shoes

oh my gosh maybe plus times the game well Devin Dampeer ran it like 17 times a game yeah buckle up buckle up buckle that shit what would you say your compit yeah like who do you think I gave you Arch who would you think I was trying to think through it

I was I was one of one No, I was thinking of, I think, my first immediate thought was more like maybe a little bit of Sam Levitt, but I think he's a way better athlete than I was. He's not, he's not that small. He's bigger than you think, because I remember what I had. Does Carr have some, like, that's what I was thinking, like, I know it's like, is that too obvious? But it's like, no, he's, you're polished? Not like that. You're not saying, like, you know, magazine covers.

I love him. You're millinac polished. I'm telling you that the way he just spits it out. No, Hardy had to work on that hair. He's perfect. He's good, dude. He's so good. He's so good.

I think, everyone thinks I'm biased. Like, when I started watching him and he was at Celine, because he started a few years at Celine in Michigan, I was like, oh, like, this kid's really good. Yeah.

Like, it's not one of those, like, oh, you watch their tapes and he's just throwing go balls and the guy's like five yards past him. Like, he's tight throws, manipulating coverage, pump faking and stuff. And I was like, well, all of our listeners, I had him my number one quarterback

going into the year. He's so good. Yeah. Oh, wow. Okay. And you've got to watch his throws. Like, he's, I didn't go back in what I like actually watch. He's leafly accurate down the field.

Yeah, he's special. He's lethally accurate down the field. Yes. It's like, it's ridiculous. And this year, I mean, they're going to sling it. So it'll be fun to see. Fellas, can't tell you how much I appreciate both of you. Can't wait for the season.

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