The Joel Klatt Show: A College Football Podcast - Klatt's plan to fix the CFB calendar, Alabama coordinator hires & Brian Ferentz contract

Episode Date: February 9, 2023

FOX Sports’ lead college football analyst Joel Klatt shares his plan for how to fix the recruiting cycle and CFB calendar with two major changes. Then, Joel touches on Alabama bringing in Tommy Rees to be the Tide's new OC and Kevin Steele to be the new DC. Joel also discusses Brian Ferentz's new contract with Iowa and why he feels like it is particularly unfair to the players. Lastly, Joel dives into the mailbag answering questions about life, the Super Bowl and football movies. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hey, welcome into the Joel Clat Show. I am Joel Clat and thank you for joining me and I'm sorry that this is a couple of days late. I was under the weather to say the least the last couple of days. So that's why you'll hear kind of the voice the way that it is. I lost my voice totally completely. So tough to do a podcast when you lose your voice. Got my hot tea. I'm ready to go and get through this thing. We've got a lot of cool things to get to. But remember if you haven't subscribed to the show, please do so. and get it wherever podcasts, wherever you get your podcast. Subscribe, follow the show, rate, review us, send us your feedback. You can follow the show, any social media at Joel Clatt show. You can follow me at Joel Clatt on Twitter or at Joel underscore Clat on Instagram. Okay, lots to get into a really cool topic that I want to talk about and might be more of a focus, even in further conversations as I get into the interview series and we start to talk to some of the commissioners here during the course of the off season. I want to start to lay the groundwork of my thoughts on the calendar in college football.

So I'll give you thoughts on that. And then we'll get into some of the news that happened in college football over the course of the last week. Alabama got new coordinators and new contracts were given or written at Iowa. We'll get into that and mailbag. And that's becoming some of my favorite stuff, period. Let's get into it. By the way, the mailbag is going to be amazing. So you've got to stay till the end.

Let's get into the calendar. All right. Let's start with this premise. The calendar in college football is, as a lot of things are in this sport, totally broken. And it has to be addressed. And I think that it will be addressed. I just don't know how long it'll take to be addressed. I'm going to specifically talk about one section of the calendar.

There's a lot of things that you can talk about and we will talk about during the course of the offseason. But one specific area of the calendar I'm going to talk about is that early December and then through December and into January portion of the calendar. So let's talk about those two months, December and January, and how they should look different in college football. First, we got to kind of know what's wrong with it or what's broken. And I think that this goes without being said. But let's just say that when you put everything into a blender and then turn it up. and they're like run it all around. That's not good, right?

Okay, that just breaks everything. It makes everything messy. And that's what college football does. The first week of December turns into a blender. And nobody can really navigate it all that well. I think that it puts an immense amount of pressure on head football coaches. It puts an immense amount of pressure on the players to make decisions for themselves. And we need to space it out.

So let me first define what I'm talking about. When we look at the first week, the first week and a half of December, what we have currently in college football is the best teams that are qualifying for the conference championship games are preparing for the conference championship game. Normally those happen the first week, the first Saturday in December. What also happens is the coaching carousel starts. I know that that carousel is starting earlier and earlier now in the modern college football, but I'm talking about assistants, coaches, coaches being hired and fired.

So that starts. And even teams that are trying to prepare for games that week and certainly teams that have qualified for bowl games and start to prepare for bowl games, they're starting to lose assistant coaches. So the carousel presents a lot of chaos. they're that first week of December. Then in their infinite knowledge, the NCAA decided like, hey, let's space out the portal and let's make sure that the portal opens December 5th. That's the Monday after the conference championship games.

So now the portal opens up and it's just like, boom. It's just like an explosion of players go to the portal. Thousands of players, hundreds of players. enter the portal. So you've got that going on. So you can imagine how difficult it is just with that going on for a head coach. Because you're losing kids to the portal. You're also trying to get a leg up and recruiting some of the kids that have entered the portal. You're trying to look at your roster and say, well, how many spots do I have? You know, what's going to go on in recruiting? Oh, and then guess what comes up? the early signing day period, bam, gets thrown on you as well.

So now you've got to finish out your recruiting class because let's face it, it's not early signing day. This is the signing day, the early signing day, in December. And so now you've got all this pressure to try to finish your class, recruit this class, you're dealing with NIL. Now you're dealing with NIL and Portal and you're losing coaches. It's a total mess. It's a total mess.

And the season's not even over. Imagine for a moment. Just imagine this for a moment. If you're not driving, like maybe close your eyes. It's the last week of the regular season in the NFL, the National Football League. And it is, all right? Boom, there we go. Last whistle, you know, in the last week, they all play on Sunday.

And here we go, boom. And then the next day, the coaching carousel starts. Yeah, we're used to that, right? Black Monday. Okay. Then, on Tuesday, free agency opens up. Then the following Monday, the draft happens. Of course that wouldn't happen.

So why do we do it in college football? It doesn't make any sense. You can't survive in that chaos. Again, I said it earlier. It's a blender. We took all these things that are supposed to happen at some point in the calendar. and we throw them in the blender, and then we just close the lid and we just like hit the five. Five.

Who can survive in that? Nobody can survive in that. We're not making smoothies here. Like, come on. Come on. Somebody has got to be smarter than this. We are going to lose really good people and coaches out of this sport because we don't care for the calendar. and the calendar is really important.

And I think it's actually much more important than even the college football playoff. But the college football playoff, because that wasn't fixed the right way from the beginning, that's sucking all the oxygen out of the room. And then the NCAA just punted on NIL, so that's sucking all the oxygen out of the room. Then they made terrible rulings and decisions based on portal, when it's open, when it's not, signing day. And so now all of a sudden, and again, this is always the case with the NCAA. They create a mess that everybody else has to deal with it. So good on you in CAA.

Your calendar sucks. It sucks. And it's driving really good people out of the sport. So we've got to find a way to fix it. And it might take a long time. But I'm going to give some suggestions of how I would start to look at it. Because I don't think you can fix it overnight. But I think that there are things that you can do in ways that you can look at this

that start to make a little bit more sense and will help people in the sport. Because again, it's about a lot of things. It's about downtime. It's about roster management. It's about the ability to impact positively kids' lives, both future players and current players. So all of this plays into it, and we need to at least pause and take a look at what are the things that we can do with the calendar to make it better. So I've got a couple of suggestions here and then a few points within each each suggestion. So let's start.

My first point of two would be number one, finish the season. Okay. So before we get into the portal and before we get into signing high school recruits, finish the season, I think it's absolutely crazy that we don't finish the season before we start signing. kids and kids start transferring. Again, the analogy, let's go back to the people that do it best. Does the NFL open free agency the Tuesday after the regular season before the playoffs finish? Do they have the draft, the Monday after, you know, two Mondays after the regular season finishes before the playoffs finish? Of course not, because that's crazy. So why do we do

it in college football? Let's finish the season before we start to think of. about the roster for next season. I think that's a really important piece. Now, I'm sure people will, you know, bring up arguments about semesters and school and all this. Finish the season. So a couple of things that we need to at least think about, at least think about when it comes to finishing the season.

Hold on. I'm going to start coughing on you if I don't get some tea. Ooh, it's hot. It's hot. Yetty performs well. Not even a sponsor. It's just. is what it is. Okay. The first thing is it's common sense to just finish the season. I've already

described that. The second thing is, I believe that college football would benefit greatly by trying to move themselves away in the calendar from the National Football League and really twofold. The first would be you move away from their most important games. So you want your valuable television property to be there before the NFL's playoffs begin. Because once you're competing with their playoffs, you are totally in second position, completely in second position, as far as windows, days. Why would you do that? I don't think it's very good business to do that.

So I don't think we should take this big, massive break before we start the postseason, before we start the expanded playoff, before we start bowl games. There's no reason for that break. And do not come at me with your, well, they've got to have finals. Stop it. Now, immediately, immediately. I'm sorry, I don't buy it. One bit.

One, that excuse is given exactly zero times to any other intercollegiate sport, period. So you can't give it for college football. Secondly, I just lived through COVID and voted all these college kids in which they were just told to go home, take classes online, do all of these. Like, nope, nope, nope, we have workarounds and I don't want to hear about finals. I think that the regular season should end and we should move directly into the postseason. We need to finish the season. Okay, you get away from the NFL, both from a valuable inventory standpoint, and you move a player's decision whether he's going to opt for the NFL draft or not further toward the college season and less towards that decision. I know I didn't

say that all that clearly, but my mind is not working all that well right now. Let me try to rephrase that as best as I can. You want players in college football to be thinking about college football and not the NFL. So you want to move the season as far away from their decision point as you can. I think you would probably encourage kids to play, by the way, in their postseason, even in exhibition games, if that were happening in a point in time in the calendar that it was far away from the point where they had to make a decision about the National Football League. So there's number one. Finish the season. It's common sense. You move away from the NFL in a lot of different stances. Then the second thing that we need to wrap our minds around is that you

need to space out the chaos. Okay, so all those things that I said were thrown into the blender, those need to space out. Now, it will naturally happen that coaches start getting hired and fired, and the carousel kind of begins, both at the end of the regular season and at the end of the postseason. That stuff naturally happens. But we can control when things like the portal are opened up and when things like signing day happens. We should not have two signing days. I think that that's crazy. I think it's a failed experiment in many regards. And so, we're going to, what I would like to see is that we finish the season, then we have a period of time in which the portal is open, boom, which is basically like free agency, then the portal is closed

before we have a signing day. You space out the chaos and it does a lot of different things. First and foremost is that you're giving your coaches the opportunity to focus their attention on one area, not both areas. So you're serving the potential student athlete, both in the transfer and the high school sense in both areas, because now you can focus on one or the other based on the calendar. I think that that's very beneficial. The other thing it helps you do is manage your roster. How am I building this roster?

Because now more than ever, these rosters are being constructed, not on a four-year rolling basis, but on a year-to-year basis. Some of these programs, the smart ones, are going with a GM model, where someone is there just to build the roster. So you're allowing them to build the roster, know what seats are filled before they go to the high school ranks. So now you're serving both the transfer athlete and the high school athlete. Because when they're all in a blender, sometimes high school kids that should be recruited or not being recruited, and sometimes portal kids that should find a spot don't find a spot.

If those are separated out, I think we might mitigate those areas of kids not finding a spot that should be finding a spot. So that's where I'll end on the calendar. Again, lots of things that we can talk about during the course of the offseason, but that's the foundation that we're going to stop with today. Let's get into some of these coaching news, I guess you want to call it. Let's start with Alabama. Okay, so Alabama gets a couple of new coordinators. And again, I said in my last podcast, these are going to be the best two positions open in college football.

I still absolutely believe that. They go to Tommy Reese and Kevin Steele. The Reese, Steel was, I think a lot of people were like, okay, that, yeah, like that makes sense. The Tommy Reese one raised some eyebrows. I was even a little bit surprised, mainly because I really thought Tommy was ultra committed to Notre Dame and to Marcus Freeman. But this is a great opportunity for Tommy Reese, a great opportunity. Look at the lineage of Alabama. of offensive coordinators and what they've gone on to do.

So this is a no-brainer for him. A 30-year-old Tommy Reese gets a chance of a lifetime to go work for the greatest college football coach in the history of the sport. You jump at that. You absolutely jump at that. So he's going down there. And I've seen some Bama fans be like, well, what's he going to bring? You know, keep in mind, Tommy's not going down there to run his offense.

None of these guys were necessarily. I think Lane probably was there to start to implement things that were spread oriented. And guys have had their different take on that. And they certainly have had their own fingerprint. But now that's become the Alabama-Sabon offense. And so Tommy Reese is going down there to put himself in the Alabama system and not vice versa. he's going to learn a lot. I think that he's a really smart guy.

And the bottom line is, I'm going to give Nick Saban the benefit of the doubt. He's the best college football coach in the history of the sport. Like, why wouldn't I give him the benefit of the doubt? I've heard from a lot of guys throughout college football, talked with a lot of guys that have been through an interview process with Coach Sabin. And they've said it's eye-opening. maniacal, thorough,

all of the above. The vetting process is second to none. So if this guy makes it through it and you're going to go and you're going to be hired by Nick Saban, I trust Nick Saban. I don't like to. So Bama fans, I just have a question for you.

Do you not trust Nick Sabin? Do you think you know better? I think many of you are trusting him as I am. and I'm going to stand with that. Tommy Reese is a really good coach, and I think that this will work out. Because, by the way, it always does for Alabama. Again, he's the best coach in the history of college football. And then from a Kevin Steele's standpoint, remember, this defense should have been better last year.

It really should have. They fell below expectations in some important games. And I think that the biggest difference, when you look at what Bama has done over the the last couple of years and what Georgia has done over the last couple of years, it's actually been on the defensive side. Georgia has kind of exceeded Alabama and what they've done defensively. And so I think that Nick is going back to a guy that's like, okay, I'm going to bring in somebody that I really know that, like, is the older veteran guy that can come in and we can try to take the next step defensively and get to a place that we haven't been in the last couple of years.

So that's my take on the Alabama situation. I trust Nick Saban. Now let's move to Iowa. Yeah. So I don't even know where to begin. I mean, okay, so Brian Ferrence gets a weirdly worded contract. How do we do this?

How do we do this? What do we even say about this? I did not think Brian Ferrence was going to be the offensive coordinator at Iowa next year. done a lot of their games. I like Brian. I really like Kirk. You can't argue with what Kirk has done. Kirk Ferrence is, and a lot of Iowa fans don't like this,

and I've seen some of the message boards, but like, he can't be a brave reproach. Well, he is. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, but he is. So I've never seen anything like this. This is crazy. I'm sorry. Like this is, by the way, I know Gary Barda.

Gary Bart is really good, really good. This is a wild situation born out of the fact that Brian Farrants is Kirk's son. There's no other way that an offensive coordinator would, one, keep this position and two, get these weird parameters thrown in the contract, has to win seven games and average 25 points per game for a contract extension beyond next season. So there's like an exploration date. So now Brian Ferrence is a jug of milk in the refrigerator. I don't know. Like what what is happening?

What is happening right now? I'm going to try my best to just kind of walk through this. Last year, Iowa was one of the worst offenses in all of college football. You see the numbers on your screen, those of you that are watching the show. 123rd in college football points per game at just over 17 and a half. Last in total yards per game, 251. 127th in rush yards per carry at 2.9 and 129th on 3rd down. It was awful.

And they were playing some of the best defense in the entire sport. So like if you are just competent on the offensive side, they're probably a division winner, almost certainly a division winner, and playing in a New Year's game. You know, like, they fell so far below expectations, which is why, like, listen, there is no other way to put it. I like everybody involved. And yet, there's no other way to slice it other than saying, like, Brian is still the offensive coordinator because he's the son of the head coach. There's no other coordinator keeps their job in this situation. And they certainly don't get these weird parameters put in there.

Name one. I'll wait. It hasn't happened. So now what does this do? Okay. So let's actually project this out. Okay. Like what does this look like in practice?

Well, that leads me to my very first point. and the one that actually got me like the most frustrated. Really good people involved. I like all these people. And yet, this is really unfair to the players. Because this is all they're going to be asked about. It's really unfair to Phil Parker, the defensive coordinator. And Cade McNamara who just transferred in.

And Eric All who just transferred in. Right? Like you can't do that to these players. This is all they're going to be asked about. Now all of a sudden, what, it's their story? job to help Brian keep his job? Come on. Like we, we can't, you can't do that. You can't do that. That's, that's not okay. This, this is an offense that scored 17 and a half points per game last year and yet they benefited from a defense that scored more points than any other defense

in college football. The defense alone for Iowa accounted for 20% of their total points last year. That's more than double the next closest team. 20%. So like really, really, the Iowa offense scored 14 points per game last year. 14 points per game. And you're asking them to now score 25? What if they don't? What if they don't? They're going to be asked about it. The broadcasters are going to talk about it. And more importantly, it's going to affect the way that they play the game. and this is the bigger point. Iowa has a very specific blueprint of how they go about winning football games. They win games with field position, they win games with defense, they win games with special teams,

and they win games by not making mistakes on the offensive side. All right, yes, was it not good enough? Of course it wasn't good enough. But that doesn't mean that all of a sudden that Iowa should be, what, top 20, that's not the style of game that they want to play, nor should they play. So now let me pose a hypothetical question for you. It is six minutes to go in the, let's call it the third quarter. Okay.

Iowa's been okay offensively, but not great. Okay? Not great. They're getting a few third downs here and there. More importantly, they're getting like a couple first downs per possession. So they're really creating like four minutes time of possession per series. they're up 17 to 3. There's four minutes to go now in the third quarter.

They've got the ball on like, you know, their own 40-yard line. The opposing offense has done exactly nothing all day long. The only way they got into field goal range was they got one long pass and then didn't do anything and kick the long field goal. It's clear to everybody in the building, everybody watching the game, that the opposing offense is not going to drive the field on Iowa. There's four minutes to go in the third quarter. It's 17 to 3.

What plays are you calling if you're Brian Ference? So again, how is this fair to anybody? It's not fair to him. Now he's got to call plays to go score. Guys are going to be trying to make plays that create scoring plays, which lead to putting the ball in precarious spots, which leads to turnovers, which leads to a potential blown lead

when the defense is clearly not going to give up more than six points that day, in particular if you give the opposing offense long fields. So again, like what are we doing? So he's going to fall short of the 25 points per game, you know, moniker there, but you're going to win the game 17 to 3. Isn't the point to win the game? It's not, they've got to change this. Listen, Iowa, I kind of understand why you do.

did this, excuse me, but the bottom line is that this needs to be removed from the contract immediately, or you need to move on and find a new offensive coordinator. And I don't think you're going to do that. So I think that this is a bad situation. There's been a lot of jokes and everyone's like, oh, how's this going to work? But again, I go down to like the practice of actually playing those games, being the quarterback, being the running back, being the tied end. I don't love it. You know, like getting to seven wins, what happens if they score 30 points per game? But the defense isn't quite as good.

Well, now is it Phil Parker's fault that Brian Ferrence loses his job? Come on. Like, we can't do that. We can't do that. And quite frankly, I don't think that this puts anybody in the best position to succeed and they need to rethink this. Kirk is a smart guy. Gary Barta is a smart guy.

Brian is a smart guy. They need to get in a room and either move on or remove this and move forward because that's the only way to go. All right, I'm running along a little bit, but I do want to get into some mailbag questions because we've got some really good ones. So let's get into some mailbag questions right now. By the way, if you have a question, and more so, really, you know what my vision for this is more like if you want some advice. So questions, yes, I'll take them. But if you want some advice, life advice, I'd like to get into some life advice stuff. And I've got one today and hopefully you like it. But you can send us an

email the Joel Clatchell Mailbag at gmail.com. Send them in. We'll try to get to them as many as we can. We'll pick kind of the three best that we get each week. Okay, let's start with the first one. This one comes in, and it is a question. It is college football related, and it is Super Bowl-related, since it is Super Bowl a week. Jay Colin, I want to say that. Cosby says, do you think it's easier for a coach to win the CFP, college football playoff, or a Super Bowl? Well, I thought that we would just go straight to the numbers because the data in this one should bear it out. And the easy answer, before I give you the data, is this. It is way easier to win a Super Bowl than it is a college football playoff.

And you might think to yourself like, that's crazy. Well, stand by. Twelve of the last 15 college football titles have been won by exactly four coaches. Nick Saban, Kirby Smart, Davoswini, and Urban Meyer. The other coaches to win those other titles are Coach Yo, Ogeron, Jimbo Fisher, and Gene Chiswick. Two of those guys are not even coaching. And Urban's not even coaching. The last 15 Super Bowls have actually been won by 12 different head coaches.

So you get this? So last 15 years, 12 college football titles won by four coaches. The last 15 Super Bowls have been won by 12 different head coaches. Only two head coaches have multiple Super Bowl wins in the last 15 years, Bill Belichick and Tom Coughlin. So like, what's easier? Clearly winning the Super Bowl. The last five Super Bowls have been won by five different coaches.

If the Eagles went on Sunday, it would be six. Seven of the last eight college football national titles have been won by three guys. Nick Saban, Kirby Smart, and Davoswini. Those three also have six runner-ups in the last eight season. So that means, think about this, that means, 13 of the last 16 spots in the title game have been taken by three coaches. The fact remains that everything in college football is built for the rich to stay rich. It is not a parody sport.

Meanwhile, in the NFL, everything is built for parity. You look at what goes on in terms of the salary cap, unbalanced scheduling. 14 of the 32 teams make the playoffs. That's 44% of the entire sport in college football. Four of 131 make the college football playoff. That's 3%. Even when it goes to 12, that's only 9%. The worst teams are rewarded with the best draft picks.

Meanwhile, in recruiting, the best teams get the best players. So this is an easy answer, and I know it might not be the one that you have. expected, but what's easier? Winning a Super Bowl as a head coach or winning a college football national championship, winning a Super Bowl. And it's not even close. By the way, let's get into quickly my pick for this weekend. So Chiefs Eagles, and I'm going to make this pretty quick because my voice is dying a

little bit, I'm going to go with the Chiefs and Patrick Mahomes. The main reason being, as great as the Eagles have been at the line of scrimmage, and as great as Jalen Hertz has been, and I love Jalen, hurts. The bottom line is, is their run over the last, what, six, seven weeks, six seven games, has come against less than stellar quarterbacks and quarterback play. And now they're going to face what is arguably the best quarterback in pro football at this point in Patrick Mahomes. So I'm going to go with the Chiefs. I'm going to go with the known coach in Andy Reed, and I think that the Chiefs get it done. Okay. Next mailbag question. Miguel comes in.

Miguel, he says, I'm 22 years old and currently in my last year of college. If you could go back in time, what is something you wished you could tell yourself at my age that you wished you knew? Miguel, I'm really glad that you asked this question. There's one thing that I did know and have done really well, and I'm going to give you that. And then there's one that I would go back and I would tell myself. Let me start with the thing that I did well. What I did well is that I said yes. I think too many times young people today in your position think that the job or the tasks that they do at their job

have to be exactly what they want to do forever and ever and they've got to be passionate about it and blah, blah, blah. That's not the case. okay, you have to work to a point where you get to a point and to a position where you can have one of those jobs or careers. So I said yes to a lot of things, in particular in broadcasting. Let me give you a quick story. When I first got a chance to like make broadcasting a career, I had a chance to do a local radio show in Denver, Colorado. They agreed to pay me, I think it was like $16,000 a year. I didn't even see all that $16,000 a year. But that's, That was fine. Why? Because the experience was better than the actual pay.

I didn't attach the value of that job to the pay. I attached the value of that job to the experience. So I said yes to it. When I was doing television, I said yes to everything. They said, hey, would you want to do Colorado Rockies pre-game and post-game as an analyst? You were a former minor league baseball player. I said, yep, you bet. Do you want to do sidelines for a high school football game? Absolutely. Do you want to interview this person? Yes. Okay, do you want to do analysts in the booth? Yes. Absolutely. I did everything to the point where all of a sudden I was a host. I was on radio. I hosted the, you know, Rockies pregame and post game show at a later time. I came to Fox and hosted shows. Long story short,

I said yes. And I tried my best. I was I was not too proud to try things and to say yes and to do things to the best of my ability. That's number one. Number two, and this is the advice that I wish I would have had. Don't wish away time. All you kids in college, young people in college, if you're just getting out of college, it's really easy to wish away time. And it's really easy to wish away time throughout your 20s and even in your 30s. Let me give you an example. Like, it's very easy to constantly long for the moment that you meet the person that you're going to marry. It's easy to long for the time once you're married for like, okay, well, when are we going to have kids? And then you have kids and you say like, okay, well, when is that job going to come up? And only if I can get this

job. And now the kid is here. And oh, man, only if the kid sleeps through the night. And, oh, man, it'll be much better when we can get out of that car seat and into a booster. Don't wish away time. Be in the moment. Be in the moment. Enjoy every period of your life as best you can because it's the only one you got. And I know I'm only 41 and this sounds like someone that's like 80 years old at the end of his career, but don't wish away time. My sons now are getting bigger and bigger every single day. They're 11, 9, and 6 years old. I would do anything to take my 11 year old and make him 6 again. You know, like he's spent more time in my house now already than he will spend in the next few years before he leaves to college. That breaks my heart. Enjoy every day

for every day. Be where your feet are at and really do your best in. that moment. So that's my best advice to you, Miguel. Last one before we get out of here in the mailbag. This says, Zion, is Remember the Titans, the greatest football movie of all time. I got to take a big old drink of tea here. No. No, it's not. Remember the Titans is really good. But there's only two movies, football movies, that can be discussed as the greatest football movies ever. If your answer doesn't start with a the program or varsity blues, then we might not be able to be friends. The program is easily like, that's where I went right away. And then it's like varsity blue creeps in and it's like, well, that was pretty good too. And are they both over the top?

Yes. Yes. Of course they're both over the top. They're so far over the top. It's not even funny. But that's what makes them so great. That's what makes them so great. Donald Jefferson? Come on. Carrying the football around campus? Are you kidding me? Like, there were so many Alvin Mack in the program. The program is the best. It's the best. It's the best. The quarterback who's like on the edge riding the motorcycle. I mean, the boosters giving the money in the envelopes. So like, by the way, college football, guess what we never did? We never got together and like had a had a a, what they would call it, like a jacket event, you know, like a business event after the game? That didn't happen.

That didn't happen. And I still love it. The program is phenomenal. And varsity blues. Are you kidding me? Johnny Moxon with his terrible Texas accent? I mean, come on. Oop-de-oop left?

Oop-de-oop-oop. What do we do? I mean, Bud Kilmer? those two movies are amazing and I'm sorry like remember the Titans just doesn't quite equal up to those movies. In close second, the tier where Remember the Titans would fall would be in that tier with like Rudy, any given Sunday and then Remember the Titans. That's the next tier. Okay. Now if you disagree, please hit me up on Twitter. You can hit me up at Joel Clat. Rudy is pretty good. Like I was a walk on. So like they glorified the walk on. deal a little bit too much.

Right? Like it's, it is what it is. Any given Sunday, just for the sake that that speech, the Pacino speech in any given Sunday goes down as one of the great speeches in the history of football movies or any movie. On this team, we fight for that inch. I love that speech. Love that speech.

Remember the Titans is pretty good. It's pretty good. And then you get into like your like water boys and like longest yard and unnecessary roughness. and those are all like after that. The program and varsity blues. Those are the two best football movies of all time. Football movies, by the way, pale in comparison to baseball movies.

Not even close. Not even close. Baseball movies blow the football movies out of the water. Like I said, it's not even close. Thank you again for listening to the show. Remember, subscribe, rate, review us if you could. And then follow us at Joel Clat Show on any of the social media. is if you want to send something into the mailbag,

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