The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast - 399. The Future of Canada | Josh & Nick Alexander

Episode Date: November 23, 2023

Dr. Jordan B Peterson sits down with Save Canada organizers Josh and Nick Alexander. They discuss the resurgence of activism for christian ideals and family values, the abhorrent response from administrative bodies, mainstream media, and law enforcement, the threats and physical violence levied against their family and organization, and what their battle really means for Canada and the world at large. Josh Alexander is a 17 year old Christian student activist. Josh has been denied an education at the Renfrew County Catholic District School Board since November 2022, after speaking out against the radical left wing gender ideology in schools. After three arrests since February, one having been at his highschool, Josh has continued to publicly uphold his convictions in the face of the rapidly developing censorious state. Nick Alexander is the older brother of Josh Alexander. He has been arrested 3 times and removed from his fire department for exercising his rights to oppose the mainstream narrative. Nick recently made headlines after being assaulted with an edged weapon by union supported counter protestors and then arrested.Together Josh and Nick lead the Save Canada movement as it sweeps the country bringing the message of truth to our youth and providing a rallying point for concerned citizens.  - Links - For Josh and Nick Alexander: Josh's X:https://x.com/officialJosh_A?t=qZoEDTEB1j3Q-U1OfPUnJA&s=09 Nick's X:https://x.com/Nick_SaveCanada?t=VjnOg0J9wS3no8plwh-QXg&s=09 Josh's Instagram:https://instagram.com/josh.alexander_savecanada?igshid=NzZlODBkYWE4Ng== Nick's Instagram:https://instagram.com/nick.alexander_savecanada?igshid=NzZlODBkYWE4Ng== Save Canada website: https://savecanada.shop/ 

Hello everyone watching and listening. Today I'm speaking with a couple of stellar young men, Josh and Nick Alexander, who are both advocates for the Save Canada organization. We discussed their political activity oriented towards Christian ideals and family values. The abhorrent response from administrative busy bodies, mainstream media and law enforcement. The threats and physical violence levied against them. And what their battle really means for Canada and for the world at large. All right, gentlemen, thank you for coming in. Let's take it from the top, Josh, you can start with this.

So you ran into trouble with your school, public trouble with your school. How long ago now? Well, so I actually used to go attend the public education system, and I got in trouble during the Freedom Convoy, mainly just over the mandates and the vaccine requirements and all that, but I left that school and I went into the Catholic board, and I really started getting in trouble

around October, November of 2022. So how do you know this is not just you? Well, I mean, I was looking at it across the entire education system. You can see that any student that stands up gets in trouble. And then I watched what happened just to my little brother last week. He was suspended for simply wearing my hat. So I know it's not simply based on what me as a person, but what I believe in. He was suspended for wearing your hat.

Yeah, if we... Okay, explain that. Yes, we... It's particularly evil hat, I presume. Affairantly so. It's the same hat that I've worn for, I guess, three years now. It was an organization started by a bunch of students and Halifax actually, and we picked it up here in Ontario and it was against the mandates and

it was just about restoring a traditional culture in Canada. What does the hat say? Save Canada. Save Canada. Yeah, and it's... And you got thrown out of school for that. Okay, so tell me that story and then we'll go back to what happened with you. Okay, so what's the rationale here for you're wearing a save Canada hat?

Well, no, actually, it was our younger brother. He's 14. He got kicked out of school for this. Oh, I see. So they're trying to get rid of all the other. Now, are you still in school, Nick? No, I'm done. I'm done. You're done. Yep. And what grade are you supposed to be in? I should be in grade 12. The highest I have is grade 10 though. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Okay. So let's go back to the trucker convoy. What sort of, what, what were you doing at that point in the public education system and why did you get in trouble? Can you make a case, make a case for yourself first and then make a case against yourself?

Because I presume the teachers and the other hypothetical professionals assume that they had some reason for giving you grief and misery. So why don't you lay out both sides of the argument? Yeah, sure. So basically, I went into the education system and it was obviously, it was quite crazy, the lockdown restrictions and everything that was going on. And as a young person, that was weird. We'd have the cops call them us for playing football with our buddies at a local park, right? And so I ended up just being fed up with it and a couple of my buddies at school and myself and a student named Monty Walker started doing walk-outs in our school and then it spread across the province. And after that, we started organizing them for Nova Scotia and BC, and all across Canada.

And our school didn't like that. They suspended us. Us being how many of you? I think on the last walk out we did, it was about 10 students from my school. They basically told anybody who wouldn't put the mask on. And joined me on the street, would be suspended, and a bunch of kids just said, all right, that's it. Now previously, we'd have like We had about 50 students coming out from the 300 student

School and then we'd have crowds outside from parents and stuff supporting so it became too much pressure and The school just started kicking us out. How old were you when you started organizing those protests? I guess I would have been 15. You know, one of the things I was surprised about watching what happened with young people was the fact that so many young people actually put up with it. Now, of course, I'm not young, obviously. But, and I might be deluded in my belief, but my sense is that when I was that age 14 or 15, the people that I was associating with in this little town up in Northern Alberta, I don't think we would have

put up with the masks. Now, that might just be wrong, but young people did put up with the masks and for a very long time and you got sick of it. Yeah, I mean, everybody put up with it and that's what shocked me. I'm from the Riding Run for Niposing Pembroke, which is famous for being the most conservative riding in Canadian history. I would have thought it would have been immediate, no, but apparently not. And everybody just went along with it. That it was the new normal, apparently.

And I wasn't okay with it. And I knew that there were some people who weren't okay with it in private but none of them were willing to take the risk of maybe getting arrested or even like I would go shopping and I get the cops called almost every time just because I refused to wear a mask and you get looked at differently when you're disobeying the rules and the person. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So why do you think you weren't willing to go along? Well, let's do two things. Had you gotten any trouble in school previous to your political involvement? No, I hadn't.

I was actually an award-winning student. I received a citizenship board. I was previously homeschooled when you were in public board. How old were you when you went into public school? I was grade seven, so I guess I would have been 13. So you were in the public school for a couple of years before the mandates came in and before you started raising trouble? Yeah. So I went there in grade seven. I ended up, like the mandates only started coming right at the end of our grade eight year. And we graduated not in person. That wasn't allowed, but I received an award. I had a good reputation.

Why do you have a good reputation? Just because I have morals and character, which is not something that should be lacking in elementary school, but it is. And I mean, my dad was also a teacher, and he had a really good reputation. He actually got to teach me in a couple of whom my classes. And I graduated from that school, went into high school and everything just changed. Right, so you weren't a kid with a pattern of trouble making behavior who used this political opportunity to elevate himself and status. That wasn't the game. Yeah, never. Okay, so what do you think the mask mandates and the lockdowns

over those couple of year period did to people who are essentially your age? I think it had a terrible effect on my entire generation. I mean, you'd see the stats on the news, but the suicide rates and the depression and anxiety or whatever, but You could actually see it in person as a student. You go to school and they're like it was I had never seen anything like it the morale was so low and I mean, I

Guess that people just didn't think it would have effect when you take young people tell them they're not allowed to hang out even on good terms and it just puts kids on video games and porn and social media and that becomes their life and it's completely unhealthy. Well, again, I was trying to think about how I would have reacted when I was, say, 15 or so. Man, I remember just my father grounded me one weekend when I was a teenager, around 15. And I still remember

being at home Friday and Saturday night when I wanted to be out with my friends, like that burned itself into my memories, like that's not really that much of a punishment, you know, and I'm sure I deserved it, but it drove me crazy. And I thought I just can't imagine what it would have been like to be safe between 14 and 16 and locked up essentially wrapped in a mask unable to communicate. It must have been, it must have been extremely difficult on the dating side of things too. I imagine for, of course, young people have sort of given up on that favor of pornography. So maybe that wasn't such catastrophe, but.

Yeah, I know. Like young people, they just, they're stopped being relationships, whether it was dating or just basic friendship, it just, it was all online. And that becomes a very serious problem. And then whenever it did return to school, you couldn't see each other's faces.

You had to stay socially distanced and all that. And I mean, it may seem like a small inconvenience and the most people, they just allowed it. But when you understand what the greater plot is and you're looking at it, I just wasn't able to tolerate it. I had to do something. I think it was a small inconvenience at all.

I think it was an absolute epidemic of tyrannical authoritarianism, and as far as I'm concerned, good for you for standing up against it. Okay, so now how did you decide to make your first political move? That was the walk out, essentially? So you were going to school. Were you wearing a mask when you were going to school? For the most part, yeah, I would have been wearing a mask when you were going to school? For the most part, yeah. I would have been wearing a mask. I was still getting in trouble because if I was nodding class

or something, there was no teachers around, I wouldn't be wearing it. But I would, for the most part wear it, but I would still be getting called to the office. I even got called to the office once because a student reported me for not being vaccinated, which wasn't even a requirement at the time. But yeah, I would get in trouble for the smaller things

and just because I would voice my opinion on it and put questions and students has like what's actually going on and why they're forced to cover their faces and stay home. And so yeah, the faculty didn't like that. How many times do you suppose you were called to the office? Around the freedom convoy, it was almost every day, if not several times a day. Okay, and so what were you doing during the freedom

convoy? So that was really what sparked the change in me, I guess. I had been semi-complying all the way around, at least in school, elsewhere I didn't really care. And in fact, I got fired from my job for not wearing a mask and whatnot, but... What was your job? Oh, I was just making coffees. This 15 out of job and that's it. Spread a lot of germs making coffee, you know.

So yeah, they fired me there, but like, I wasn't complying outside and school was really the only place I was doing it. And then we went to the Freedom Convoy. We meaning who? Well, my brother here and our friend Monty, we even at the very end brought a few other students to help out, but... And you went to Ottawa?

Yep. And we were down there for a while and it was weird going to the convoy and seeing everything free and everything normal and seeing the country come together and then going back to this just depressing tyrannical state. And I had enough and we decided to start doing these walkouts. It was as simple as me. I think I just put up a photo on Snapchat or something in one of those app students talk on. And I just said, meet me at my locker at whatever time.

We're done, we're walking out. Were you a reasonably popular kid at this point with your peers or was it polarized? Like, why did anyone listen to you? I wouldn't say I was incredibly popular. I had a pretty good reputation still, but my opinions certainly weren't popular, but I mean in grade 9 and 10, that isn't as big a deal as it is, further on in life. But some students, they did respect me because I was respectful, even when I was being

shouted at by my principal and all that. So I just remained calm and I gave the students the best advice I could. In fact, I would spend hours negotiating with the principals when I was supposed to be in class. They'd bring the board superintendent down to my events and I would tell them, what were you negotiating? Well, they would for instance they wanted to suspend any student that walked out with me

And I told them look I'm the organizer of this thing you're obviously talking to me for a reason and not every other student those walked out suspend me do whatever you want to me and each of those students has right to walk out and you can spend me for non-compliance or disobeying authority, but I don't care. I'll take the fall for it. Concentration is fine. That's for sure. Nick, you were in Ottawa too,

eh? Yeah, I was. Okay, now, when the Freedom Convoy made itself known, were you still in school, or had you graduated by that point? I wasn't in school so at the end of grade 11 I dropped out and switched to online school because I was running a welding business at the time so I'd work in the days and do my high school online at night time. So yeah I was doing it online. So what was your impression of Ottawa when you went there and why do you go? I thought it was incredible. It was a real break from the tyranny we've been living under. And yeah, it was one of the most incredible, incredible few weeks of my life.

And had you been politicized at all before that? No, I wasn't especially political, no. Hmm. And how old were you when you started your welding business? And what is that business exactly? It's based value welding. It would say,'s based value welding. It would say, uh, mostly agriculture equipment welding.

So break a lot of, uh, whether it's Harold or plows, whoever it is, it breaks down. I would do a mobile welding service and I was 17. I started that. Hmm. And is that a business that you're only involved in? Or do you have employees? No, Josh is a co-owner as his Monte Walker.

Oh, yeah. So you, you can weld too, eh? I've done a little involved in it. Do you have employees? No, Josh is a co-owner as his multi-walker. Oh, yeah. So you can weld too, eh? I've done a little bit. He does the majority of the mechanics. We also, we do, we also, like, that under that business aim, we had all sorts of different jobs going, and we'd just work anywhere and any time we could. This is while you're in high school. Yeah. How's the business going? We've had to put on pause the last couple of months.

We were pretty busy with our current situation, but we're looking to get back into it this fall and firing it back up to life. So how would you characterize your relationship with your brother and how are you two involved in this trouble you're generating together? Me and Josh are very close. It's kind of a, it's try you, try to work on it, try you in way, me, Montibalker and Josh, and running this,

running a safe Canada, trying to wake up the youth here. I see, okay, okay. And now, so you posted a picture, you said on Snapchat, Snapchat, and then you asked people to meet you at your locker, and they met you. This is the first walk out. So walk me through that.

How did you organize that exactly? You said in about 50 kids participated, one out of six, is that about right? Yeah, I guess so. But yeah, I had actually, I had never announced a walk out before, organized one. But earlier on in the fall, there was a movement going on. I saw it online and it was a walk out from your businesses and your employment and all that. And I said, I'm doing it.

And actually three guys walked out with me. So we were four guys. And then I think maybe six community members came out. And it was really small, but it was just like, this is a small initiative. I didn't start it. But I was supported. I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I'll support it. And I walked out and a couple of guys followed me. And then months later, we decided to actually organize them on our own. And, uh, yeah, I, I had no idea what it was going to look like. The last

one, three guys followed me, right, right. But, uh, I started to, uh, I started to hear some chatter and all this around the school, and I'm waiting at my locker at the time, and around the corner, I see a bunch of kids holding the gathasson flag and Canadian flags and all sorts of stuff. And they had signs. It was amazing to see. Yeah, you seem happy about it still. Yeah, it was.

Why? Were you so pleased about that? Well, it was, it was, it was just refreshing to see after watching, you know, relationships get strained over the issue and myself, like I'd be sitting in the office for like three hours a day, just arguing when I should be in class learning. And I'd be getting yelled at by my teachers nonstop and just disciplined constantly.

So you had a bit of a crew. Yeah, and now we're walking out with numbers and we just decided to go around life, adding my crew following me and we just went to every classroom and said, all right, we're walking out, let's go. And the students would get up and they'd follow us out. So they left their classrooms as you walk through the school? Yeah. And how did the teachers and the administrators react to that?

Some would yell at me, some would slam their doors, some would... I mean, there was a couple who wouldn't say anything, which I would take their silence as a bit of support because some of them would even be smiling under their masks while watching the students walk out of their classes and they didn't mind it all that much. But what percentage of teachers do you think were neutral or on your side? Very few.

There was very few, but there'd be a couple. And... What was there a dis... How would you distinguish the teachers who were neutral or on your side from the ones who weren't? Nowadays teachers make it pretty clear what their stances are. They're supposed to leave politics and all that out of the classroom but they don't and

like I'd basically the ones that showed at me aren't on my side. Okay, that seems pretty straightforward. Nick, why do you think? What is it about your brother? Do you think that put him in this position? Well, I think there's a few different things that I attribute it, but he's naturally a very strong leader. People will naturally follow him. And why? I couldn't tell you. There's a guess. He's very intelligent. He's well spoken. He's very confident people follow confidence Especially in a day and age like today where you look at the youth. There's no confidence. It's true confidence

I believe absolutely. You think he's competent very competent. Do you think he's honest? Very honest Very honest. Yeah, how did he learn to be honest? Do you think well, we've had a fairly good role model for our father. Okay, Johnnie, where's your father? He's a veteran, he's now a schoolteacher. He's a pastor to church. We started the church when we were younger down Arizona. Yeah, he said a very high example for us. He raised us right, I believe,

and correct us when we were wrong. Do you have a good relationship with your father? Yes, very good relationship. You respect him. Absolutely. Absolutely. Well, that's quite a lot of respect. Why do you respect him? Well, I mean, you look at our culture today and the number one thing that's under attack is the nuclear family, right? And the body tells us... Well, gender might be attack under attack.

But that itself is attacking the family. Fair enough, yeah, yeah. And all of it leads back to the nuclear family. The Bible tells us honor they father and their mother. And both of them have been excellent role models. And I love them very much. And I respect them. And they're good leaders and they've stood by me through all this.

And now both of them are out of their jobs because of me, but. Yeah, yeah, so Nick, maybe you can pick up on that. So what happened with your parents? Your dad was teaching. And your mom, what was her job? She's also a school teacher. She's also, so you guys really in this all the way, aren't you?

Okay, so what happened to your parents as a consequence of the political action that you guys started to take? Right. Yeah. Well, I think I believe the board is targeting them merely because of our stance. We want to retaliate in any way they can in their parents' jobs. This is government jobs, or I would see their first target. So they dad was suspended from his job.

When? When was it? It would have been in the last spring. I don't remember the date. I believe it was late spring. Okay, yeah. And a few weeks after my mom was also suspended. And what was the justification for that?

So my dad was suspended because the, on paper, the justification was because of his online actions, which was funny because at the time he had no social media, it wasn't until after in response that he actually got social media. So when they put him on leaf from his work, they said it was for his online actions on social media. And he had no Twitter, no Instagram.

So what was his online action? It was blatant lie, blatant lie by the board. And so afterwards he got to, you can look up the date he got as. Yeah, that's fine. And that's when he got it, he got it because of that. And yeah, a few weeks later my mom was also put on their investigation because somebody went up to her door and posted a pride flag on her classroom door,

which, no, it has to write, it's her classroom, there's no reason to do that. So she went up in the morning, she took it off the door, and she was placed under investigation for that. And for on what grounds? Touching the sacred object? Like what exactly was the problem there? The fact, I guess it's considered hateful to not want to play the subject.

This is a danger to students. And this was a kindergarten classroom that they posted the flag on. The better question is, why is there a pride flag on the door of a kindergarten classroom? That's my question. Not the fact that the teacher took it off, but...

Yeah, well, it's the mob for you, buddy. Yeah. So you weren't very political before you went to the trucker corn boy. Not especially political, no? All right, so... I would have had fairly strong beliefs, but I wasn't very active.

And now? Whether you consider it politics I would have had I would have had fairly strong beliefs, but I wasn't I wasn't very active and now I Whether I whether you consider it politics or morals. I'm quite involved in what's currently happening How are you involved now? We're running a lot of different protests and Meeting a lot of students really trying to wake up the youth in this generation because that's the house That's what has to happen. They have to get a little punch. You got punched here a little while ago, didn't you? Everyone thinks it was a punch.

It was a blade of some sort. I believe it was a bladed glove. It could have been knife, but a lot of the anti-pigots that you could have. You guys tell me what happened. Exactly what happened. Now this was a recent protest. Yeah, June or September 22nd. Yeah, so tell me exactly what happened that day.

Yeah, so we were Josh and Billboard Chris obviously organized a protest against gender ideology near Victoria's Park, I believe, right? Yeah, Victoria's Paul Collegiate Institute. Yeah, and so we had a decent turnout, not as big as we were expecting, but decent turnout. There's also a large antifa crowd and right off the get-go, so we got to the event maybe 45 minutes early and right off the get-go, so we got to the event maybe 45 minutes early. And right off the get-go, about 30 antifa across the street.

At this point, it's just me, Josh. Were they all masked up? Masked up, masked up, slaves, signs, yeah. Yeah, yeah. And so, the contemptible lot. Yeah. And, okay.

So Josh is doing an interview with one of the media companies, I can't remember who it was. We do a lot of interviews. But as he's doing this, there's only about five of us there were early. And the Antifa crowd comes running up the street, crosses their side of the street, and just swarms essentially, goes physical right off the bat, charges into us. Hey, it goes physical, meaning what, what do they do? Physically charging into us, pushing us back. And there's about five of you guys. Five of us, yeah. So we're just, there's me, Monty,

a Dacey Media, a couple of veterans for Freedom Guys. So we just made a line in front of Josh, he's trying to do an interview. They're clearly trying to get at him. And so we're not, we never get physical back. We stand our ground, but we don't punch, we don't respond, we don't retaliate. So they're attacking us.

And one of the guys is actually on a video, one of them has a baton. He starts swinging the baton. I caught the baton midair and chucked it out behind me. But that was how it started right up the get go. And as this is happening, we're clearly being attacked. Toronto police are there. They took the, we had a meeting with the liaisons about half an hour prior. And they stated that they had 100 police officers on the ground. 60 public order ready to go to keep things peaceful. So as we're, as these and Tifa guys are attacking us, we'll look behind me, I see all the Toronto police drive by stop, multiple cruisers, guys on bikes, and then look, see what's

happening and speed off continues, leave us right there in the street. So shortly after our crowd really started showing up in numbers. And so once you explain the fact that the cops left, they don't like doing their job and never do. Launched strange, because you'd think that the police, the natural sympathy of the police would be more aligned with what you guys are doing. You would think especially after all the events of 2020,

but no, not at all. They're very much favorable towards the radical left in their violent radical left. Do you think that's a hop-down command? Absolutely. In fact, I've been told as much by certain officers. I trend we've been seeing at a lot of our events is that the officers will make a line in between our crowd

and the woke mob. And the officers will make a line in between our crowd and the woke mob and the officers will be facing our crowd with their back to the woke mob. And they've said they're quite nervous. I've been, I have a relationship with the handful of officers and they're nervous having that violent crowd behind you that knows no balance, has no moral compass and no it's absolutely a command from the top down to you. So when you're being pushed and shoved by 30 people and there's five of you and some of them have batons, let's say, how do you keep your temper under control?

I've honestly never had a problem or really having a problem getting a temper under control with that. No, okay. They test you sometimes. I'll say that much, but I think in the end, it's more important that we stay grounded on what we believe in and then truth and take the high ground as opposed to the violent ground. That's an easy thing to say until there's 30 people pushing you in. Being as provocative as they possibly can, and you haven't broken that before,

and you haven't let your temper leap out. I have lost my temper, but I haven't lost it in public. You haven't lost it in public. Well, congratulations. I think we've all lost our temper here and there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but you haven't lost it in public. How about you? No, I mean, there was a clip that got aired on Fox News a while back. I was

in Alberta and BLM and Antifa surrounded me outside of high school. And they just started throwing me around. They were punching me. A kid tried to set me on fire. They were choking me with my, I had to cross on my neck and they were trying to choke me out with it. Oh yeah, that's symbolic. One of them, one of the ladies with the BLM leaders, Taylor McNally, I believe, went into back of my pants in this struggle. Anyways, the police run in, they arrest me, but I just have my hands up in the air while they're doing this. And there's not much you can do, because my goal isn't to run in there

and fight with crazed activists. I wanna get through to students, and I wanna be a responsible role model to them, and be able to bring them the truth in a way that they will listen to it. So when a student watches me get attacked, not retaliate, continue to talk to them while I'm being attacked,

and then get arrested, be told that if I come back, I'll be charged. I'm with. Breaching the piece. Oh yeah. They interrogate me about what scripture I'm using and stuff. What do you mean they interrogate you about what scripture you're using?

They, so they arrested me while I was handing of students, handing of Bibles to students. And I got attacked. The police ran in, arrested me, after watching what had happened. I had my hands in the air getting thrown around. And then they had me in custody for a while, and started asking me about which verses I was using and

whether I had violated a conflict by law regarding the health of the community. Violated how? By using verses that would target that community. That was a complete... That's fun. Yeah, that was a complete free speech violation. No, it's worse than that. Right, that was a complete free speech violation. But. No, it's worse than that.

Right, that's a freedom of conscience violation. It's a freedom of religious belief violation. Right, yeah. But yeah, anyways, that happens. They tell me if you return, you're gonna be the one that gets charged, whether it's you that gets assaulted or not. And they even told this to my lawyer.

Whether it's you that gets assaulted or not. Yeah, they said no matter what. They said, even if I don't get assaulted or not. And they even told this to my lawyer. Whether it's you that gets assaulted or not? Yeah, they said no matter what. They said, even if I don't get assaulted, if I do get assaulted, no matter what, if I step back, if I walk back towards that school, I will be arrested. And I knew that I had to make a decision there because these, I'd been there four minutes.

These students were walking out. It was a walk out called the Istand with Josh Alexander walk out. And it was organized by Liberty Coalition Canada. These students have come out all the way across the country to support me. I flew down to see them and to visit with Pastor Arthur Polowski. And anyways, I go and see them and I get arrested for them and later. So I wanted to... Four minutes. see them and I get arrested for them and later. So I want to retire four or a minute. Yeah, I lasted four or a minute. And Calgary. And then I, Calgary has a pretty woke mayor, yeah, to say the least. And, and the, the Calgary police

department's just brutal. But anyways, I get released from custody to tell me if you return, you will be arrested. And I said, okay. And keep your damn Bibles out of here. Yeah, and they told my lawyer, they said, so yeah, if Josh just leaves the premises now, we shouldn't have to arrest him again. We won't have to talk again. And my lawyer said, okay, talk soon.

So, I grabbed my Bibles, I went down the sidewalk, and even more students, hundreds of students come out now, because they've all seen me get arrested, with the police now following me as I get closer to the school, if I get within their boundaries, they'll take me down. And just before I was going to walk right in, and just before I crossed that line, the whole crowd rushed towards me and I started getting attacked again, but I was in a location where I was able to maneuver around a little bit more and get students to talk to

and we were there for hours, just talking to them and they were able to respect your opinion more so when they've seen how much of a risk you'll take to express it. Who's more likely to respect students? Students. And just how confident you are for training it. So I would certainly say that was a success, but how did I lost my temper?

It would have just completely failed. Okay, one thing with today's students is they will follow anyone with, like I said, confidence, encourage. That's really lacking in today's generation. So any youth's students is they will follow anyone with with like I said confidence encourage No, that's really lacking in today's generation. So any youth with that they will follow Okay, so let's go back to when you got cut All right, so you said you guys were there about 40 minutes before this particular demonstration That was that was a Victoria Park. Yeah, right near Victoria Park Yeah, okay, and that was do you remember the date of that?

right near Victoria Park. Okay, and that was, do you remember the date of that? September 22nd. September 22nd, okay. So, so you showed up early, there wasn't there, very many of you, you guys got rushed, the cops were ignoring you, you were getting shoved around and pushed. That's how the day started off.

Okay, so continue from there. Yeah, so we were there for what, maybe two hours, if we're, that went on throughout the day, the cops refusing to do their job. Us getting assaulted went on for a couple hours. Eventually, the cops started actually splitting up our crowd. They kind of locked a smaller group of us behind the police line with Antifa behind us on the police and the other side and the other side, the rest of our crowd on the other side of the police line. And which really isn't right,

because we were the ones that arranged the protest. We talked to the liaison, we talked about for months, we announced that we have a crowd there. We don't get, it's not right to shut our side out because a group of violent T5 showed up inside to take over the street. But anyway, so be it. So what good was the liaison?

Absolutely, nothing to do. So why would the charade occur? Why did they bother with the liaison? That's a good question. Well, I had bugged the police for two months. In fact, I called them before and I've organized rallies in Trump before. They know who I am. They know my name.

Yeah, I bet they do. I phoned them. They asked who it was. And I said, Josh Alexander and they immediately had to transfer the call and they give me to some special constable. And I talked to him. And finally, like after two months of trying to communicate with these guys, we get a meeting on the ground the day of with Lise Lee A's on officers. Inform them, I want the crowds bled it up, I know that there's going to be a violent union supported protest. That's right, the unions came out right on the Antifa side.

And so did Jagmeet Singh. He marched with Antifa. Yeah. Right, he's such fun. Yeah, no, when that was on the 20th, but that day when Jagmeet showed up, he was melting a whole pile of words at me and Nick and he was making gestures with his hands at us. He's looking at doing this to this. He was, was he? Were you terrified?

No, no, no, it was entertaining. Yeah, he's quite the piece of filthy work as far as I'm concerned, boy, he's got all the faults of Trudeau and none of the virtues. And the virtues of Trudeau and none of the virtues and the virtues of Trudeau is a very short list. That's for sure. So if you have none of them and all the faults boy you're quite the piece of work. Oh yeah. So he was actively engaged with you too. Oh yeah. You think a political leader of one of

the biggest parties in Canada would have a little bit more... Decorum? Decorum. Yeah, you might think that. Right, if we weren't led by a bunch of like, delusional, 13-year-old girls. Yeah. Yeah, that's quite something to see. Okay, so, so you, this protest was quite aggressive right at the beginning, and you guys weren't,

you, not only were you not experiencing any real police support, you, as far as you're concerned, they were actually putting you out of disadvantage. Absolutely. Okay, strategically. Okay, so what happens to you? So I was standing down kind of behind their lines,

I was in the smaller group that was separated and they would allow, if my group wanted to go back and join my crowd, I could, but they wouldn't allow anyone else to join me. So I was just having there talking within some auntie if I start sharing the gospel as we always do, make a point. It's regardless of whether you're on my side of the ideological war or on their side, I still want to see everyone there safe. I don't want to see, I believe absolutely that they're all all of us are sinners and we all need Jesus. And so I want to see all of them saved. So I was talking with them, sharing the gospel. So what do you, when you say you're sharing the gospel under those circumstances?

What exactly are you doing? Telling them the truth. What? Okay. How do you do that? By explaining to them that me, them, you, all of us are sinners destined to an eternity in hell unless, unless we turn to the cross of Jesus and receive his full and free gift of salvation, we will perish.

We will pay the wages of our sin. It's the only hope that there is for this world, is Jesus Christ in sacrifice, His blood, His toning blood. And so I was sharing that message with them, which really isn't a message of hate. That's a message of love. It's that you've wronged the creator of the universe. That sounds a good idea. Never a good idea, but we've all done it.

And he loves you enough to come down and die for you to pay for your sins. In office, you free salvation. So you're trying to make that case in the midst of this melee. Absolutely, yeah. So what do you think is the relationship between, let's say, the positive relationship

you have with your father and respect for him that you have, perhaps with your mother in respect for him that you have perhaps with your mother too, your religious belief and your political action as far as you're concerned. How are those things tied together? Well, I think my political action are based on my moral compass, my moral compass, compass is based on my biblical beliefs, the Bible, and the outline set there for us. the Bible and the outline set there for us. Okay. Okay. Okay. So let's go to when you get attacked. Yeah. What happens? So, yeah, I'm talking with them and we're one of the guys on the front of their line,

Dives out and tries to tackle me. So I kind of push him off. He's masked. Mask. They're all always masked. The physical ones are always masked. Usually they all are. But if they're physical, they're guaranteed to be masked. I see. I see. So do you suppose that the people ones are always masked, usually they all are, but if they're physical, they're guaranteed to be masked. And so, I see. So do you suppose that the people who are masking up like that, like they're planning physical violence,

and that's why they're wearing the mask, or do you suppose it's the fact that they're masked, disenhibits when they're at the rally? That, and also because I don't think they're proud of what they're standing for. I can go there without a mask on, because I'm proud of what I'm standing on. Oh yeah, I think the same thing. It's like, if you have to show up to your protest they're proud of what they're standing for. I can go there without a mask on because I'm proud of what I'm standing on. Yeah.

Oh yeah, I think the same thing. It's like if you have to show up to your protest in a moment, you're at a narcissistic coward, and a dangerous one too. Yeah, and the police should be using that as a marker for true psychopathy. Right? That's absolutely inexcusable.

So, okay, so this guy comes after you? Yeah, so he dives into the crowd, just a little guy, tries to tackle me. And so I'm trying to grapple with him, trying to get him off. I've one hand up in the air to show this cops, I'm not assaulting him, I'm being attacked here. So, what?

You're protecting yourself with one hand. Yeah, well, first when he's actually attacking me, I went two hands on him, trying to get him off, I've one hand up in the air to try to keep him away with one hand, and while I'm dealing with this, another, a salient literally dives over their line with whether it was a bladed gloves, a lot of them were wearing bladed gloves

or a knife or whatever. Tell me exactly what a bladed glove is. It's a glove with blade on the fingers, a blade's coming up the hands here and a blade on the thumb. And are those visible from a distance? Oh, yeah. So the cops don't do anything about that, because I don't imagine those are legal weapons.

I haven't looked into it. I presume they're not legal, but I haven't looked into it. But no, the cops don't do anything about that. And this isn't a new thing. We've had Antifa bring knives to our events for a long time. Yeah. So this guy dives across, and I kind of,

in my peripheral vision, I see him coming. So I backed my head out of most of the So, so this guy dives across, and I kind of in my peripheral vision, I see him coming, so I back my head of most of the head, and he just grazes across my, you can probably see the scar there. It's just five or six stitches, I can't remember what it was, but. And how close is that to your eye?

Well, maybe an inch. And, Oh yeah, that's pushing it. It's pushing it, yeah. I say so. Yeah, yeah. Okay, so you know you're cut. Yeah, so I'm cut I kind of stand up I I watch I can't I can't see a lot of blood in my vision. It's kind of blurry

But what I believe I the cops picked up the guy who attacked me and put him back in his crowd and kind of closed in all around This they picked him up and put him back in the crowd. They didn't arrest them. They didn't arrest them. And so I see the cops, everyone's kind of closing in around me. It's hard to see in the cops start ordering me to leave. I'm like, no, I was just attacked with a blade. I'm not, I'm gonna stand there. How did they do that exactly? That particular officer came up to you

like how did they order you to leave? Yeah, well they said that. They do want medical attention. I said, no, I'm all right. I'll just keep doing what I'm doing for a free good play. And another officer walks up, if you don't leave, I'm going to arrest you. So I said, I've ever right to be here. I'm going to continue standing here and talking.

I'm on a public sidewalk, every right to be there. And so I continue talking, can you share in the gospel to members of the opposing side. And there's just one girl on the other side that I was talking to. And it was like, she almost snapped other side that I was talking to. And it was like, she almost snapped. I saw it in her eyes. It was like, what are we saying was registering with her? I don't know if it was the fact that I just got attacked

and covered in blood. And so, trying to- Well, that would add a little more drama to it. A little more drama to it, yeah. And so it seemed to hit home. So I just continue talking to her. And there's a veteran beside me. We call him Wild Bill.

He's a combat veteran, he's an airborne. And the cops sell him to leave, and he says he's not leaving my side. And at this point, he's bleeding too, because so what they did is they had an umbrella and they broke the umbrella off, and they had a spear point like that, at the end, not an actual spear point,

but very pointy umbrella. And they basically fabricated into a spear and they were trying to stab us with that, and they caught him in the hand. He was a hand, it was all bloody from it. And so the cops tell him if he don't leave, you're going to be arrested and he says, I'm not leaving a separate case. Don't imagine they were scaring him that much.

No, I think he's seen a lot worse than Antifa and the Toronto police. But so yeah, they arrested him, placed him under arrest and then 30 seconds later placed me under arrest. And did they tell you what the charge was? Well, that's a funny thing. So at the time, they told me it was obstruction. Abstrruction of what? Well, that's a general charge.

Abstrruction of justice. How exactly, I don't know. And then when they went to book me into the cell, to the holding cell, they told me it was breach of the piece and they told the crowd that it was for assault. So, so put that together. Okay, so they trought you off to jail and so you're wondering what's going on? I presume? Yeah, I mean I was on the ground here trying to do interviews and somebody runs up and they they tapped my shoulder

they tell me that Nick is being assaulted on the wrong side of the line and he's drawn. Wrong side of the line, meaning the police have excluded him in with the counter protest and like he was saying, they blocked off certain members of our crowd and at the time, it happened to be him and Wild Bill. So I run over there and I'm Bill. He's a careless man. You guys, Wild Bill and Billboard Chris, and the Alexander brothers, right,

out there causing trouble. So yeah, I run over there, and I tell the police, I say, who's in charge here? Is there a sergeant? I need to talk to somebody, and they all just stare blankly over my shoulder as they always do.

And finally, like, I have a megaphone, so I just start using that to make it very clear. There's cameras, there's reporters all around me. And I'm like, I need to speak to an officer in charge. So finally, a sergeant comes up and he starts talking to me. And I tell them, well. And what was the tenor of that conversation again, because we have this weird situation

where as far as you guys are concerned, the police at least secretly are somewhat predisposed to be positive to you. And so now you're putting this guy on the spot because your brothers arrested like, how he isn't even arrested at this point. This is where I realized that something's about to happen. And I go up to him and I tell him, look.

The policeman? Yeah, I tell him, I tell him, look, my brothers across the line there, I'm the organizer of this event. I've been talking to you guys I tell him. Look, the policeman? Yeah, I tell him, I tell him, look, my brothers across the line there. I'm the organizer of this event. I've been talking to you guys for two months. You've already kind of betrayed us here. And I need to go speak to my brother. So let me open up the line, let me go through.

If you want to bring an escort, because you're worried I'm going to start agitating, that's fine, do that. So they refuse that. They say, I can't talk to them. And they're keeping their line closed. And why can't you talk to them? They don't give an answer, they never do.

But I, so I walk away and I tell them, look, something's going to happen, you've been warned. And then I start looking for a even higher officer and looking for my liaison officer, somebody that can pull some strings here and make something happen. But anyways, about 10 minutes later, as I'm doing my thing, somebody runs up to me again and they're like, your brother's bleeding. So I go over there and I see the blood borne down in space and I asked the cops what happened.

I mean, I was pretty mad at the time, but I hadn't lost my temper. I was still fully under control, and I'm actually still conducting interviews while doing this. And then I get a hand reaches over from the other side of the police line and taps me, and it's wild bill, the veteran. And he hands me his keys, and he says, I love you Josh, but they're arresting me now. And I got to go.

He says, can you hang on to these for me? I say sure. So I take these and they arrested him on the same kind of charges they arrest you. I presume. Yeah. Despite the fact that he'd been stabbed within an umbrella. Yeah. Yeah.

We're both bleeding and yeah. Yeah. So bleeding without a permit. Yeah. Yeah. Crime. Right. Right. Well, you've got a good battle scar out of the deal. So it's true. Yeah, right. Yeah Okay, so well, yeah, so he hands me his keys and I Look over a Nick we make eye contact and at this point. I know okay next being arrested, too

I've seen it too many times and so then I see Nick get arrested and the cops are shouting at me now and they're yelling that I'm going to be arrested. I'm not even on the other side of the line. I'm on my own side talking to them, asking what's going on. And anyways, they arrest him. They start, they throw me around. They actually grab me and fire me into a young lady while I was talking to them. The police did that. And anyways.

So what do you mean exactly? Explain that in detail. Well, I would say, so you're standing there talking to who the police? The police. Yeah. Then what happens? And they start to move Wild Bill and Nick towards the Paddy Wagon, which is they have to break through their own line. They have to open up their line, let the officers take Nick and Bill through. And as they get closer to the patty wagon, I'm talking to the police and there's some that are just standing around, there's some that are walking with the escort. And anyways, one of them just grabs me.

I was wearing a vest and a dress shirt. He grabs me from the vest and fires me into this young lady. And they start shouting at me, they were telling me I was going to be arrested. Why do you think you did that? They're just, I mean, a lot of them, they take unnecessary violent measures just because they can't. A few of them enjoy it. They've been standing here in the sun

with a bunch of crazy counter protesters screaming in their ear. And they're frustrated. They've done their crowd training, their riot control, and they just do whatever they want. And they'll be no repercussions. And yeah, they know there'll be no repercussions.

Like what happened at the Freedom Convoy? Anyways, so they do that. And Nick goes in the Paddy Wagon and me and Monty, who is also on the ground, we go running after this Paddy Wagon. A bunch of students from the school follow. And I'm trying to talk to officers and I'm trying to figure out where the Paddy Wagon's going, whether he's being given medical attention,

what's going on. So anyways, Monty actually, were you worried about him at that point? Well, yeah, I mean, it looked pretty bad at the time. Well, face bleeds, the eye, the blood, the blood. Yeah, face bleeds, the blood. And there was a pool of blood on the sidewalk where he was standing.

So he was littering, maybe that was the truth. So Monty runs all the way down the road after this patty wagon, all the way to the police station. He followed it the entire way. I followed it right till it was like around the school and there's a pile of students chasing the patty wagon and reporters and other police and I'm like, okay, Monty's gonna follow that. I'm gonna go back and talk to the police, try to get charges, try to figure out transportation,

get my crowd under control and give them an update. How many people were there for your protest? I wanna say it was a couple hundred. Yeah. Like usual, there was a large counter protest, but we definitely outnumbered that. Well, you had all those union people there. Yeah.

But we outnumbered them, and then when the students came out for lunch break, it was much bigger. And anyways, we start running. Now, was Sing at that protest, or when we talked about him earlier? Sing was at the Million Man March on two days beforehand. Yeah, okay, okay. And that was in Ottawa. But, yeah, I start doing interviews. I finally get through to an officer.

They refuse to file any of my reports. I try to... Your reports being what? I try to make an assault report. And I try to inquire about my family members arrest and see where he was being held, because I was his only point of contact at the time. And yeah, they refused to talk to me.

And so that went on for a while until I just, I wouldn't give up. I kept following them and I have a megaphone too and a whole pile of students that are echoing whatever I say. So we're just, you're hurting me. You're hurting me, no. Yeah, it was impossible. So finally, after they have all these cameras on them,

they know it's a really bad scene. And they finally sent me another officer and they give me his, where he's being held and what he's being charged for and they told me They told me it was breach of the peace and assault so anyways, I I just went about I addressed the crowd again and we tried to visit him at the station after the event was over And I got on the while first as we're walking up the steps to the stairs of the police station,

the security guard locks the doors on us, on the station that's open 24-7. So there's a help number on the door, and I call that, and it's on camera, they hung up on me, and then they refused to answer any of my other calls. And so then after waiting for about half an hour, I get another call from a police officer and they're like, you're not allowed in the station,

but we can put you on the phone with your brother for a bit. And we got to talk on the phone and it turned out he was at the hospital and they dropped his charges. So you never were charged with anything? No, they dropped the charges, yeah, in the hospital. This, well, they kept me, they took me, like I was bleeding a lot, they had me in the patty wing for about two hours. And a parent, right when I got to the precinct, I heard a couple officers talking outside

the door and they said that the ambulance is here, they wanted to check me out, but they wouldn't let the medics in for about an hour and a half before finally they took me out. Okay, so that actually answers a question I had because I thought, well, you know, you want to give the devil his due every time you can, I thought, well, maybe they bundled you away from the protest because you were bleeding. Oh, no, no, not at all. No way. That's, well, the fact that they had the medics, like, detained away from you for 90 minutes,

seems to indicate the medical treatment on your behalf was not the reason. Yeah. And the paramedics, so yeah, so after about an hour and a half of waiting, maybe even longer, the paramedic, they take me out to the ambulance, they go in the ambulance, they still handcuffed in there,

and the paramedic looks at me and goes, oh wow, you're gonna need stitches you have to get into the hospital. And it still isn't, it is still bleeding, because there's a lot of blood loss, and so the paramedics wanted to take me to the hospital in the ambulance and the cops said, no, that's not, we'll take him in a cruiser later.

So they take me out. Wow. Yeah, they take me out. They put me back in the patty wig and leave me in there. So they refuse to let you go in the ambulance? Refused, yeah. Wow. I guess I was too big of a threat to society to have me.

Yeah, fair enough. Fair enough. Fair enough. So, yeah, they take me back to the Paddy Wagon, put me back in there. I mean, they're for maybe 20 minutes, 30 minutes before they take me, check me in, put me in a cell. I was in the cell for a little under an hour. Had you been in a cell before? No, I'd been arrested before, but always a whole new thing.

Very scary. Jail food's not good. They take your shoelaces? Yeah, no, I was wearing cowboy boots. They checked, they said take your shoelaces, and then there's where they'd sell my boots, and I said, there aren't any to take. I see, I see. I guess it would have been a suicide watch too.

But yeah. So yeah, I was in the cell, a little under an hour probably. So where are you thinking when you're in the cell? When am I getting out of here? Yeah. Yeah. I was hungry. I was quite hungry, actually. So where are you thinking when you're in the cell? When I'm like getting out of here. Yeah, I was hungry. I was quite hungry, actually. So yeah, after you're upset or worried? No, I wasn't worried. No.

Why not? I didn't have a, like, what's the worst that's going to happen? I'm going to be locked up for a few weeks before a court date and I'd best I'm going to be let out in a few hours with charges dropped. And I know I didn't do anything wrong. So I'm hoping there's still a little bit of hope left for a justice system that would be let out with charges. Yeah, is there?

It's questionable. It's quite corrupt. It's quite corrupt on the top. But yeah, it's quite corrupt all the way through. All the way through. I guess if you get a good judge, you can be lucky. But so anyways, they took me after all that time, they put me in a cruiser and took me to the hospital, escorted me into the hospital.

I'm still handcuffed. I'm covered in blood. So walk into a merge and like people are freaking out. I guess they still handcuffed. Yeah, I guess they time a murder. I had a guy walking, saying covered in blood in handcuffs and police escort by him. And the receptionist says you're gonna have to put a mask on. I look, I look, I said I'm not gonna do that. They say no, no, you have to put a mask on. It's policy. I said, what are you gonna do? Call the cops?

Good, so you said that. Yeah, it's good. Oh, man, how to make the whole day work well. Just be able to say that. And so the cop, the cop beside me just starts laughing. That's good, man. That's really that. And so the coffee, the coffee cyber just starts laughing. That's good, man. That's really funny. And so they let me through. They took me, took me a satin gown.

I can't believe they told you to put a mask on. I know. So perfect day. It's like it's orchestrated. Yeah. Yeah. That must have made your day. I was, it was quite comedic, yes.

Yeah. Oh my God. Okay. Okay. So let's go back a bit here to your parents. So, well, all these protests and so forth are unfolding. Both your mom and dad, now they've been suspended. Okay. Now, where they were suspended with pay or without pay?

Well, they were suspended with pay. And then they were basically told that they have to abide by the... By what? They basically have to comply with measures that go along with their religious beliefs. It's wrong, it's harming kids. So in your mother's case, exactly what does that mean? So someone puts a pride flag on the door of her kindergarten class, she takes it down.

Okay, what is she supposed to abide by? Exactly, she's supposed to put up a pride flag, like what the hell, what's exactly the issue here, what is she supposed to abide by? Exactly. She's supposed to put up a pride flag, like what the hell? What exactly the issue here? What's she supposed to do? I guess she's supposed to publicly advertise, saw it on her kindergarten classroom door. And she's not going to do that. And anyways, they basically said that I don't even know they probably pulled up a bunch of different

policies and they told them you have to abide by these things and it's all woke radical left ideology. It's being forced on kids which is exactly what I'm fighting and why I've been kicked out of school for over 10 months now. And yeah, so you're getting an education? Oh yeah, much better than I was at school, but. Definitely. But yeah, I've been kicked out since November of 2022. So.

And what's the rationale for, I'll get back to your parents, but what's the rationale for your continued suspension, exactly? I mean, that's a big, that's a long suspension. I don't know what you'd have to do on the juvenile delinquent side to warrant that sort of suspension, but it would have to do on the juvenile delinquent side to warrant that sort of suspension But it would have to be something pretty damn serious Maybe you'd have to knock a teacher unconscious with a metal chair for example like happened last week in the US Though I doubt if they'd suspend that student for 10 months. I guess we'll see so what's the rationale for the for for keeping you out of school

And this is a Catholic school. Yeah, it's a Catholic school makes it even more Blackly comical as far as I'm concerned. Yeah. Do you think they might be on the side of the scriptures? Yeah. You might. That was what I thought. Like, I'm personally not a Catholic.

I'm a born-of-year Christian. But going into the Catholic board, I would have assumed that they would maybe sympathize with my views a little more than they did, but anyways, we get in there and actually it was on one of my first days in the school. This wasn't why I was kicked out, but this was kind of where I realized that, wow, this is not a very biblically-based school. When my math teacher started saying that creation was a myth and it was all hypothetical in the Bible. He started saying the entire Bible is hypothetical. And so I challenged him on that a bit but-

As opposed to the unalienable truths of the walk doctrine. Exactly. So he, anyways, that teacher ended up being the one, the teacher who's classroom, the bait broke out where I actually got kicked out for extended period of time. And it was because he was shouting at me, like, I was in a classroom of 30 students, I'm in the back right corner, and I have all these students turned around

in their deaths and the teacher just shouting at me. And- What did you do to provoke him? So, students beside me started asking about an interaction that had happened earlier in the day because I had been called the office and whatnot because I challenged my law teacher, was she was talking about how students can be whatever gender

they want and all that, and I challenged my law teacher on that. And that was something that me and that teacher we would respectfully go back and forth. Like nonstop. From the very first day I was there, the first five minutes I was in her class. She went on to say that the freedom conflite was unlawful before it had even gone through the court.

So we started, that was the first one. And it just went on every single day we'd go back and forth. And it was always polite and it was always fun, but we never agreed on anything. And anyways, some students heard that there was quite a controversial debate in her class the other day or the other morning, and they wanted to hear what happened. So these students are asking me questions. I'm answering them, giving my opinions on it. And the teacher gets involved in it. And long story short, he says that there's like 73 genders

or something, and it's a spectrum, and we can be whatever we want to be, and I should explore myself, and males can breastfeed children, and all sorts of just crazy stuff. And at that statement, that males can breastfeed children, I responded to that and said, that's pedophilia.

And this is where I got really awkward and the debate kind of started to turn. He said, what do you mean that's pedophilia? And I had to explain to my entire math class that my math teacher was defending and promoting grown men forcing a baby to suck on their nipples. And I'm in math class. So this is completely ridiculous.

And it's a pretty awkward topic to be having with all these two watching. Anyways, he starts to get really agitated because now I've used a fairly strong term. He starts to get really agitated because now I've used a fairly strong term. He tells me that I'm just really not tolerant and I need to be more thoughtful. You're not. I'm not. I don't think tolerance is a virtue. It's the virtue of those without morals, right? So I don't believe in tolerance, at least not to the level that it's at today.

But anyways, I ended up quoting Mark 10-6 in response to a student who I've now learned after the fact, identified differently, stood up at other chair, pointing their finger at me, like walking towards me, shouting in math class, saying that I need to be more open-minded and people can be whatever they want to be. Art 10-6, what's the- Art 10-6, I said, got great, the male and female. And it's not simple. And I said, look, I don't have a problem

with you identifying differently or anybody, but that's up to them. The board should not be pushing that. Teachers should not be promoting this stuff in their classes and lying to students. That's true. It's harming children. And I said, you have your right to do whatever you want to do in private, but don't bring it up with students here.

And it certainly doesn't change biology and reality. And anyways, that was it. That was the, that was the, that was the, that was the, that's what got you out of the trouble. And they said that I was bullying that student by saying that. Oh yeah.

And, yeah, so that allegation has been going on for 10 months now. Okay, and what's the rationale for the duration of punishment? I guess you haven't learned your lesson. So actually at this point, they know that they can't justify kicking me out for 10 months. So what they did is they suspended me for indefinitely. They called it to an end after 20 days and said, look, Josh can return to school if he abides by our conditions. And there are conditions where that I would be banned from math class, I would be banned from religion class, I would be banned from religion class, and I wasn't allowed to speak to any students who identified

something other than what they were born as, and a bunch of other smaller conditions, none of them was what I agreed to. I said, look, I've done nothing wrong. I say, so it's on you now, is it? You're not abiding by the rules. Yeah, so I said, I've stated my religious beliefs. This is a Catholic school. If you don't agree with my stance on biology, let's open up your Bible. You claim to hold the word of God as the supreme text in your own statement of belief. So I said, let's open up the Bible. I said, and he said, well, we can't do that without priests and bishops and stuff here. I said bring them all. I said bring them all.

I said bring them all. I said we will open the Bible. I said we can have a whole conference meeting if you want. And I said we can do it Monday and he said no, we're busy then Tuesday. Wednesday and we went through an entire week and he wasn't busy once. Or he wasn't available once, apparently. And I said, okay, well I've offered, the offer still stands, I'm happy to do this day. I'm happy to open up the Bible and argue with these heretics, but anyways,

they refused to take me up on that offer. And so they kicked me out. I then got in contact with Liberty Coalition Canada and they provided me with a lawyer, James Kitchen. And we went back and forth for a while, just with the school boards lawyers in mind. And they said that because I refused to abide by their conditions of return, I'd be excluded.

Yeah, I see, okay. And so it's not disciplinary. It's not disciplinary. Oh, I know, no, that's like my, the actions against me with CP Ontario so it's not disciplinary. It's not discipline. Oh, I know. No, that's like my, my, the actions against me with CP Ontario. It's not disciplinary. It's like, it's just not trusted. Looks like discipline. It smells like discipline. It sounds like discipline. And it's in fact discipline. Yeah. But you're not going to use the word. Yeah. Okay. You guys, we know what you're up to. And the funniest

part is that they told me that the school board cannot exclude anybody and that's why they have such an open border policy on all the washrooms in the school. Right, right. And I said, oh really, then why am I under an actual exclusion order? Under the Education Act, it's called an exclusion order. And but apparently this board can't exclude anybody.

And I've been under that order for 10 months, and they just inform me just recently they'll be under that order for another year. Another year. Yeah. And maybe longer if I don't agree to their conditions, or if we don't come to an agreement. So what are you doing to salvage your education,

or your credentialed education, let's say? Yeah, at this point, for credentialed education, all I can do is, well, I suppose I could withdraw from the school and try to enroll in another school, and we all know that wouldn't go that well. Yeah, I wouldn't go that well. That wouldn't go very well. Oh, no.

You could do it, though. I could, and I considered it. You need to move strategically. But I'm fighting against the board right now now and we went to the Ontario Superior Court of Justice on whether I had standing to appeal all the decisions made against me. And I won. Wow. That's good news.

Yeah, it was a... How are the legal bills going? So that one obviously paid for itself because we won, but like I said, Liberty Coalition can't support me. And so they cover all the costs on that end against the school. But we won that case. So now I believe it's at the beginning of November. I will be going into a hearing, a two-week long hearing to... Are you pursuing damages? Yes, we are.

How much? I don't remember what the damages were. My lawyer would be the very guy to ask about that. Approximately, dear. No, I wouldn't know. I wouldn't know the number. So let me ask you about your parents again. Sure.

So you said to begin with they were put on leave with pay. And what was the spacing between your father losing his job and your mother being suspended? Two weeks or so? Two weeks. Oh, wow, I mean, you think they would have been more intelligent strategically than that, but my sense of the people who persecute in this manner is that not only are they corrupted ideologically, they're absolute morons when it comes to strategy. So it usually comes back to bite them. Okay, so they suspended them both with pay to begin with. Yeah. And then they put these conditions on both of them. I presume your parents weren't willing to abide by the conditions. So did they then suspend their pay?

So at this point, right now, they're kind of in, they're just waiting because the board gave them that deadline to agree with the conditions they didn't they asked for an extension they're working with the union uh... or i think the same you know the protest me the unions are really working hard on their behalf the union was in that meeting uh... that went viral uh... my parents union where they were naming me and saying that need to come to my protests

they put out they put out emails uh... to their entire union saying go protest, Josh Alexander, outside the RCC, DSB, headquarters and all this. So we can already figure how much support they're going to give my parents, but that's where it's at right now. So it's really only a matter of time. They're just killing time. It's the same thing my board's doing too.

The time is on their side. Of course, they'll just kill themselves. They're not suffering directly from the consequences of the delay. That's one of the terrible things about being dragged through a process like this is that it's 100% the advantage of the people who are using the process as the punishment to drag it out as long as it possibly can drag it out. How old are you? 17.

17. You don't look 17. You look older than that, both of you. Well that's good for you. You're not kids. And most 17-year-olds are kids. Lots of 30-year-olds are kids. You guys don't look like kids anymore.

So that's something worth attaining when you're young. So what has this done to you? I mean., for you. And how has it hurt you? Well, I mean, it's certainly it's changed my life in every aspect, like everything has changed. I'm no longer working. The, the same jobs I would have been doing, I'm no longer in the education system. All my other supposed peers are still in the system and just going about their regular life and unfortunately complying with the idiocy that's going on within the board. And I mean.

I'm okay, what sort of circle of friends do you have around you or did you have around you? You've got your brother, you've got Monty. Yeah, I mean, after all this, and after we've been challenged on a national level, I like to keep my circles small. I mean, people I would trust with my life, right? Yeah. And so that's certainly not many. I mean, I don't have any friends from either of my schools. You don't, eh?

No, I... why is that? Well, I mean, at my Catholic school, I only been there for maybe, well, I went in there September, got kicked out in November. Okay, so you didn't have a chance to rebuild a period of time? I didn't know too many students. I already had a reputation as the convoy kid. They actually, the kids at that school,

nicknamed me freedom. And so there's worse nicknames. There are, exactly. So I had a reputation. Kids were kind of nervous around me for some reason. And I just never pursued friendship that much because I knew that education's ending soon. I just had different goals.

And I guess in that manner, I kind of kept myself. But yeah, no, I also just seen what the education system produces and non-impressed with it. It produces docile, weak, pathetic excuses for what should be people that are just beginning to go into the world and start their life and start their family, there's no ambition. Yeah, well ambition, that's all part of that. A terrible oppression.

Yeah, like everybody's getting married at 30 and divorced at 35. And childless at 35, yeah. I thought he'd put the education system, I think, correct me from wrong. I believe Diogeny's, he's the founder of the Sinek philosophy, I believe he was. And he said that the education of the youth is a foundation of a country. So if that's the foundation of our country, we've got a giant crack line right through ours because it's not a good shape. No, yeah.

Well, one of the things that really struck me to the core, I would say, when I started lecturing publicly and being exposed to a much wider range, not so much range, a much larger number of people was the degree of demoralization, especially among young men. Now, of course, if you demoralize young men, you also demoralize young women, because we're in this together. And the degree to which that was the case was really quite shocking to me. And, you know, and I thought it through. I mean, boys in particular, they get, they get pilloried when they're very young because their play preferences don't match up with the idiot, idiot.

What would you call it? False calmness of the typical classroom. So that's a big problem and then of course anything that's anything that's heterosexual is suspect on the grounds of power dynamics essentially any ambition is associated with patriarchal oppression and is managed to escape all of that while then you're destroying the planet So that's basically your destiny as a young man, right? And any avenue of enterprise you might pursue in terms of ambition is suspect because all ambition is power and then all enterprise is evil capitalism and you know, you're pretty much left with no, with no out. And so, well, so that's demoralizing.

And I suppose I think it's purposefully demoralizing because if you believe that human activity is intrinsically destructive, socially, and with regard to the biosphere, then you want to demoralize young men. So what? So they sit around and do nothing because that way they're like involuntary Buddhists. You know, their only virtue is harmlessness. Of course, that's not a virtue. And if you're part of the elite,

if you want to tighten the tyrannical grasp in society, so to say, what's the first thing you wanna do? You wanna soften the men because that's gonna be your biggest resistance for that. If you look looking historically, it's the young men who'll be most resilient to oppression. And so a direct attack on their masculinity is the...

So you guys are now trying to, you talked earlier about trying to work with young people. And so what are you doing exactly? What are your goals and how are you organizing that? Well, our main recently, we've used our platform, like you said, to just go to schools. And whether you consider it a protest or an event, whatever, we're able to interact with students and we're able to...

So, who walked me through a typical event now? How would you organize it? Yeah, we just... How do you pick a school? I'll have a student reach out to me or something on social media. Yeah. How can they do that? Well, they just message me.

And they tell me, they tell me what's going on their school. How can they message you? Let's tell people so it can be message you. It's on my Twitter's official Josh underscore A and my Instagram's Josh.alexander underscore safe Canada. Okay, so if they want to get in touch with you, they can do that. Okay, so someone gets in touch with you and then you organize something.

How do you organize it out of school? Because of course the school isn't going to let you like organize. So the way we do it is we usually just, we talk to the students, we ask them for a little bit of a layout, what it looks like. And if I can get in contact with a police officer or something, I'll warn them and tell them we're coming here. And then we throw it a post on our social media and it gets shared around a bunch. And we just show up. And...

Show up where? Like what do you do? About the school. We'll just go on the sidewalk or wherever. We'll be on the loud go on the school property. Right, so some place adjacent to the school. And... How many of those events have you done? Quite a few. Yeah, I someplace adjacent to the school. And, is there... How many of those events have you done?

Quite a few. Yeah, I don't know. Are they growing? Yeah, we rapidly. They are, Well, like if you look at the numbers, our, the first generally a protest that we had in Ottawa was in this February,

and I believe had 17 people show up to it. And the last one was on September 20th, in Ottawa, and estimates of eight to 9,000 people showed up. Oh yeah. So that sounds like exponential growth. Yeah, so 9,000 people, and that was to which event? The Million Man March. We were kind of organizing the one in Nadoa. And so yeah, big, like you say, exponential growth. People are waking up, I think. You think you're doing any good? Yeah, absolutely. I think it's...

What do you do that's working? Well, I think just giving the students in-person interaction, they've all, a lot of these students have seen me online, and they've seen me get arrested, but they don't really think much of it. It's just kind of a distant figure, right? Something that happened, it couldn't happen near me.

So what we do is we bring it to their school. We show them how real it is. We have the police and the public order units lined up. We have counter protests. They're watching the culture war on their doorstep. And they're watching it unfold. And something as simple as a kid taking a photo with me and posting it will then embolden other children, right?

To what? To what? To speak up. Because all of them are afraid, or even just in private in discussion with each other to share their opinions. Right. They're all so afraid. How many provinces have you done this in?

So far, most of what we do is in Ontario, but I did one in Alberta. That was in Calgary. Yes, and then I believe I did some stuff in Nova Scotia as well Are you building an organization underneath this? We're working on that, but it's been so busy. It's just like we're trying to just be able to run our events at the time and with all the court dates and stuff. I mean, I've been arrested three times just since February the first one being at my high school and

arrested three times just since February, the first one being at my high school. And then he's been arrested three times as well. And Maunt, he's been arrested. I mean, it's just ridiculous. None of us have any criminal charges because we're innocent. But innocent. But it's like that matters. But it's that's why you're being arrested, by the way. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, putting a subsidiary organization underneath you might be a good priority because you could multiply your efforts. So have you found other young men or young women for that matter who are willing to commit to this sort of enterprise? Yeah, especially in the last month or two, a lot more have been coming out of the wood works.

Like we said, we kind of started. Nobody wants to be the first one to step up and take the hits, but if we do that, people will probably follow us. And it is working. Young people are stepping up behind. Doesn't follow us and standing for what we're doing. What about political leaders? Have you been reached out to by any political leaders?

I mean, we've already established the fact that the Jag Meat saying is not one of your have you been reached out to by any political leaders? I mean, we've already established the fact that the Jag Meat Singh is not one of your fans, which is definitely a testament to your virtue as far as I'm concerned, but what about other political figures? I would say that the politicians have been the biggest disappointment of anybody.

There's not a single MP that has yet, while representing the people, publicly said anything about what's going on. And a lot of people, myself included, when I saw the conservative party, elected a new leader, Pierre Paulier, I had a lot of hope, and I thought this guy, like, I had watched him since I was little and I mean I knew he's really good on the floor with his analytics and stuff. What do you think he should do? Well I think he needs to speak up and he's to speak for parents. I mean we did that event on September 20th.

He did announce that he was on the side of the parents on Twitter during the million what was the million? Million person March. Million person March. But the issue was he was on West Block Parliament, right? Morning of, he was there. And he walked by and we have it on camera while the crowd's assembling for the March.

And we actually had the crowd chanting for Paulie ever to come out. And just to have like a sense of leadership, right? In the political realm. And it doesn't exist. And it's like, I recognize that it may not be the wisest strategical move for a politician to get involved in the culture war.

But I think that's also one of the biggest mistakes Canadian politics has made. The American politics includes the culture war. It's one of their biggest talking points. But here in Canada, it's like I said, it's just analytics. It's all the price of milk and all this stuff that it matters. And it's something that our prime minister is failing on right now, but there's not enough leadership.

And when I got to talk with Paulie, it was face-to-face. So the conservative is often they're afraid, because I'm seeing that starting to change in Canada, because you have people, you know with Paulie and face to face. So the conservative is often there are afraid, eh? Because I'm seeing that starting to change in Canada because you have people, you know, Paulie has is is is is is showing more spine than conservatives have in the past by a substantial marks. You have Daniel Smith and Alberta and Scott Moe. They're also pushing back to a fair degree. But, you know, for a long time,

the conservatives were intimidated, I suppose, partly because the leftists are very good at eliciting guilt and also because of mob tactics, you know, and it's the same thing, is that a conservative would stand up and say something that was relevant to the culture war, and then that particular individual would get mobbed and being mobbed, as you guys know, is no picnic, and so that tended to put them back on their heels, the combination of guilt and let's say fear of the mob. And there's reason to be afraid of the mob. You know, I mean, I know 100 people now who've been publicly excommunicated, let's say.

And the vast majority of them responded like they had contracted the near fatal illness. You know, they ended up in under psychiatric care, losing a tremendous amount of weight, or, you know, reacting as if they're threatened right to the core, which, of course, they are. How are your parents responding to what's going on around you? And what is your family like very well united in terms of what you guys are attempting to do? Do you speak with each other strategically? How is your family dealing with this? Are you guys still both living at home? No, I'm on the road almost full time. I spent most of the summer in the states and then I was And I mean, I spent most of the summer in the States, and then I was in different provinces,

and just all over the place. So we're from a little town of 1,000 people, and there's not much you can network from there. Right, right. So we haven't been living at home, but you know, we're constantly talking. Our family's pretty close, and I mean, I know you the only two siblings.

No, we have a younger brother who we were speaking about earlier and then a... Right, right, how old is he? He's 14. Right, and what did you say it happened to him? He just got kicked out for wearing your hat. Yeah. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Are you marketing those hats?

Yeah, there are... That's which website is that? Save Canada dot shop. So if you need a hat, save Canada dot shop. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Well, maybe we can scare up some more purchases for your hats. Because how many kids we can get kicked out of school for an illegal hat with it. Yeah. Yeah. So what's the plan for the future? Well, right now it's hard to predict what's gonna happen. Everything's changing so fast. I have countless court dates coming up.

And we do have court dates for what? Well, I mean, I have to, I have a bunch against my school. I have to go back to Alberta for, I believe like five court dates for the incident that happened at the school. Different stuff. Like, again, I'm not being... Oh, you're getting tangled up in legal red.

Yeah, I mean, like you said, the process is the punishment. Oh, yeah. Whether I'm the one being charged or not, it's still, it's a massive disruption to my life. And anyway, so we're going to be focusing on that. We're going to be continuing to communicate with students. We're also going to try to be- Is that your primary focus, the expansion of your network within high schools in particular?

Right now that's mainly what we focused on, but just because that's who we're able to communicate the best with, because I am in high school. Yeah. just because that's who we're able to communicate the best with because I am in high school. And these students know who I am more than any other group. But as a young person, watching what's happening in the world, my greatest passion is be able to share the gospel and share my beliefs. And like Nick was saying earlier,

that is the only way we will ever truly be able to save Canada. And it's not us, right? But we certainly get to play a part in that and I wanna reach people with the truth. It's more than saying that there's only two biological genders. I want people... Sexes.

Sexes, if you will. But I want them to be able to understand the truths in the gospel and understand that we're all sinners, myself included, and we need a savior. And so if that means that I have to do it in a controversial manner with constant conflict, I will, because who else is going to go

and reach those crowds? And I mean, they may hate us and they may call us hateful, but at the end of the day, we're sharing the greatest love story known to man. How did you get tangled up with Billboard Chris? I met him at a...

Well, actually, he just ended up posting about me on social media after one of the big rallies we did. A pile of students came out of a school here at York Mills, Gleegit Institute, here in Toronto. And there was a photo that went early viral of hundreds of students in a circle with me, and they were hand in a bibles and praying together and stuff. And this was just happening outside of Toronto School, which was the belly of the beast here in Canada, right? And so that was certainly encouraging. And it went everywhere and Chris saw that and he reached out to me and we decided to do an event together.

And this was around the same time where his assault in BC really went viral. So what do you think Billboard Chris? I like him a lot. He's something that our country lacks, which is a father that cares. Yeah. He is a role model that young people could use.

Do you have any idea how he decided to wear a billboard? Like when I was one, okay, I wanna hear that. I'll tell you, so when I was about your age, the guy with a billboard was like a running joke, right? Because he'd be the crazy guy out on the corner. And the sign on there would say, you know, the world is ending. And repent, repentance is nigh, the world is ending. And it was a joke, right?

To wear a billboard like that. And it was a joke that everyone knew, an old joke. And so now we have billboard Chris with this billboard on. So what motivated him and what do you think he's up to? Yeah, so basically what happened is he was watching what's unfolding and contrary to what most fathers did, he said, okay, I actually want to do something about this. And his first move, I believe he has daughters and he didn't like it. And his first move was to put up a billboard that said, I love JK Rowling.

Yeah, right. After she spoke out. Right, was that in Vancouver? Where did he go? I believe it. I want to say it was in Vancouver, but I'm not positive with that. Right, so I rented a billboard space. And it got removed after a day. It was too controversial.

And he tried all sorts of other, just me go board. Yeah, because what is the JK Rowling just for the world? And so they kept getting removed. So he said, you know what, I'll be the billboard. So he just put it on himself. And he'd go out and he'd start conversations and it blew up quick.

Yeah, blew up really quick. He came from nowhere and became very famous very rapidly. It was a smart move. I see, so he decided to be the billboard because they couldn't take him down, or at least not so far. Yeah, so. Now, the event that, how did you guys jointly organize the event that you were at together? He just reached out to me.

I said, look, let's go to a school together. That's what I've been doing, and it's been garnering support, and you've been on the other side of the country. Go on viral too, and imagine the effect we could have together. So we put out this event and I rarely do this, but we announced it like two months beforehand and that gave time for people to book flights and stuff and it was really starting to pick up a lot of support online and sure enough the day came and it was, I had never organized a protest where the R-crowd outnumbered the counter protest.

And it did, and we had a massive crowd. And that was where, was that it? That was in Ottawa. That was in the, is that the one that's sing-opposed? No, that was, this was back in June. Sing-opposed the one in the Milliman March just on 20th, here in September. Okay, so the one that you did with Bill Bordkris was before the one in the Million Man March just on the 20th of the year in September. Okay, so the one that you did with Bill Bordkrist was before the million man March.

Have you been in touch with the organizations, organizers of the million man March March? Oh yes, yeah, no. Who are those organizers? Who's doing that? It's an organization called Hands Off Our Kids that started it. And I actually first met them at the event me and Bill Bordkrist did. They all came out and we got to meet them and I've been communicating with them. I think they're just concerned parents from

what I know. People that are sick of watching our country go on. Eightful concerned parents. As Trudeau would say. Right, right. No, he didn't see it. He didn't. He did. Apparently apart from the fact that it's there like on his Twitter feed. Right. So I actually think the fundamental problem, our fundamental problem, technically speaking, is that the faculties of education have a hammer lock

on teacher certification. And the faculties of education have been for 60 years, arguably the most intellectually corrupt faculty in the universities They're they're to call their research appalling is to barely scrape the surface the faculties of education generate one idiot piece of society damaging pseudoscience after another and they've been doing that for decades and they attract And they attract the worst students who are in teaching for the worst reasons, often because they're confused and don't know what else to do. Sometimes because they're pretty happy about the fact that they get two months of summer vacation.

Dreadful academic records, their standards are dismal to say the least, and they're unbelievably woke. And yet they have monopoly on teacher certification. The fact that conservatives haven't woken up to this or even classic liberals for that matter is a kind of miracle of stupidity. It's the same in the United States. The education enterprise complex, the education propaganda complex, right, like the military industrial complex, has a hammer lock, essentially, on 50% of American state budgets, because that's the percentage of the budgets that goes to the education system.

And so it's a complete bloody scam right from top to bottom, but the heart of the beast is the faculties of education. And if conservatives and genuine liberals had a clue, they would take teachers' articulation away from them tomorrow. And that would be, I think that's the Achilles heel of the woke movement, because as long as they've got that right to certify teachers, they have control over a huge part of the political budgets. And so, conservatives have been blind to this,

well, literally, since the mid-60s. It's a long time, right? That's 60 years. It's like, it's time to wake up, guys. This can't go any farther. So now, it must be hard for you, too, to look forward into the future, right? Because your lives are very chaotic and transforming continually. It's like, do you have some sense of, because you're young, how old are you?

19. 19, so you guys are both very young. Like, what would you, your life's, they're never gonna be the same. So you can just forget about that, but that could be a huge advantage. It's like, if you could maneuver your way through this, properly, carefully,

what do you see yourselves doing? A couple of years down the road. Where do you want this to go if you could manage it properly? That's kind of the question I get asked so much. Like you said, our lives are so chaotic. It's really hard to tell. I don't know where I want to go. I'm searching right now. My goal is to learn as much as possible while I'm young and to prove myself or whatever is to come. What do you want to learn about? Anything and everything, really. I've just, I'm constantly got my nose in the book now.

Yeah. I've got a great reading list online, you know. Oh, I'll have to take a look. Yeah, there's about 150 books. I just finished your book. You did, which one? Your first one was the 12 rules. 12 rules, yeah.

But yeah, no, like I'm just trying to learn as much as possible. And whether I continue doing what I am right now on such a public scale, I'm happy to do that. And I'd just as happy happy be okay to never be see a camera again, right? But I mean it's really about where the Lord wants me. How do you decide what to do next? What guides you? Well, I mean I have have Brawl models in my life people I respect to I can ask advice for right? Yeah, I can also I mean, I spend a lot of time praying and stuff and just trying to just Through reading the word and

Just praying in general and keeping a relationship and understanding and trying to learn the the word of God as much as possible So I've been thinking about prayer in relationship to thought. So I actually think that thought is secularized prayer. So because here, imagine here the components of thought, okay? So the first thing that has to happen if you're going to think is you have to have a problem. Okay, and you have to admit you have a problem because why think otherwise. I don't think there's much difference between admitting you have a problem and adopting a stance of humility or being on your knees, so to speak symbolically. It's like, I've got a problem. I don't know how to solve it. I'm looking for, so that's a lack in you, obviously.

I'm looking for a solution. Okay, so that's the next thing is you're looking for solution. You have to put that question forward. Now this can even happen with people who are purely secular. So the next thing that happens is you formulate the question and then you open yourself up to something, approximating revelation as far as I can tell, is you're contemplating the problem at hand, and an answer will arise.

Now that's a mystery. You know, people will say, well, I thought up the answer. It's like, well, why didn't you have the answer to begin with if you were capable of thinking it up, where the answer come from? It's like, well, I thought it up. It's not that that's not much of an explanation there, buddy. The answer appears. And then you have to critically assess it, right?

That's testing the spirits. You might say critically assess it to see if this is a solid, if this is a solid idea, or if it comes from sources that are untoward, right? Because you want to be guided by the highest possible spirits, so to speak. And so, and you can establish that in part through dialogue, internal dialogue. That would be part of thinking or dialogue with other people. But it is possible to step forward on a firm foundation, right? If you do open yourself up, it's something like you've got the humility that enables you to receive the revelation and then the quality of the revelation is dependent

to some degree on your aim. And so if you're aiming up and you're attempting to abide by the truth, then the spirit that makes itself manifest to you in that revelation, let's say, will be reliable. Right. And then you can feel your way forward one step at a time and not make a mistake. You can do that with your words if you're very careful. Both you guys, you're very careful speakers. You know, I didn't see any sign in either of you during this conversation that you were taking liberty with your speech.

And you're actually in a position of some temptation because you have so much public attention focused on you. There's always the possibility that whatever flaws you have will be magnified by that, especially the case when you're young because you don't have a tremendous amount of experience. And all of a sudden, now you're in the public light. But I haven't seen any of that emerge in our conversation. And maybe you've been pounded down hard enough by everything that's happened to you to keep you properly humble, you know, hopefully, right? Because with all the attention that's

focused on you, you could make some pretty spectacular errors if you wanted to be unconscious, right? High probability outcome. So okay, so you don't know what you're trying to learn. Well that's good. That's good. Yeah, well it's a tough one to see, to see through, right? Because things are so crazy in Canada at the moment. It's not obvious at all what the appropriate pathway forward is.

No one so. What's okay, so what's on the immediate horizon? On the immediate horizon, there's, well we've got a couple of their protests probably. We haven't announced in the epithelic, they'll be coming over. Now can people keep track of your activities? I, we posted all on mainly my social media.

And tell people that again. It's the Twitter, Twitter, official, Josh underscore A and Instagram's Josh dot Alexander underscore safe Canada. So it's Twitter and Instagram yeah mainly yeah do you tube at all. No but we are starting a YouTube channel we're I'm looking to to start a show so I guess that one is going to be there's something in the near future. Yeah well there's a niche you know that isn't occupied in Canada. One of the things you guys could do on YouTube and you've probably got the social reach

to manage it is to start doing an interview series with people who are in high school, to talk about serious issues, but among people who are really young, I can see a bit of a cultural transformation starting to take place, tilting younger people more towards a more classic conservatism, but it's really young people, right? It's not people in their 20s, even. It's people who are, well, maybe your age or younger. And so there's a market there, and you have enough reach to already start to publicize that. And I haven't seen anything like that in Canada. There's the odd YouTube channel in the US where young people are talking to other young people, but you're in a prime position to do that.

And the thing about YouTube is that you can have long and serious conversations. And so to be interesting, I'm not giving you any advice because you've got enough things on your plate, but you're already using social media and you're not taking advantage of the, at least at the moment of the place where long-form discussion is most possible, right? And it'd be very useful for young people

to see a place where serious discussion on ethical and political matters would actually be possible. And YouTube's a miracle for that, right? Because there's no cost of entry. And so, yeah. Is there anything you guys want to say in closing? You know, you're going to be talking to a lot of young people in Canada. Nick, let's start with you. Like, you've got all your peers out there, young men like you. What do you want to tell them? Stand up, be a man.

Do your duty as a man and don't bow to the woke mom. What's the advantage of that? You have honor. What's the advantage of that? You have honor. What's the advantage of that? You have self respect. You have respect. Yeah, genuine self respect. Right now, it's false self esteem.

And we're all gonna have kids in this world someday, and I don't know, I don't know why everyone else, but I don't wanna bring kids into a world like this, how it is right now. So if we can change it, and we can make a change right now, I think it's imperative that we stand up and make that change. What's been the... Okay, so you've done what you could to speak your mind. You said the advantage to that at least in part is self-respect. What do you think that means that that self-respect that's associated with your willingness to put what you believe

to be true forward? Why do you think that imbues you with self-respect? Because I know I'm morally standing on the right side of what's happening. How do you know? Because the morals I'm standing for based on the word of God, which is the foundation of my life. So I talked to this guy, Jonathan Pazzo.

Pazzo's worth following by the way. He's probably the deepest religious thinker I've ever met. He's got an uncanny eye for patterns and for a narrative interpretation. He said, you're supposed to orient yourself ethically in two dimensions. So one is collective, right? It's like, in order to get along in the world, we have to agree with one another, at least to some degree.

Yes, at least to some degree, right? Because otherwise it's fractiousness and conflict. And so part of what you're doing when you're seeing if you're orienting yourself properly is to see if you can pull other people into voluntary agreement with you. Now, the problem with that is that that's the crowd, you know, and the crowd can go insane from time to time. As you see, yeah. Absolutely.

So then the consensus per se can't be the only dimension of ethical orientation. And so there's a horizontal axis of ethical orientation. Now, I'd be associated with Jacob Slatter. And the mountain image and the Old Testament is actually a representation, at least in part, of the consensus dimension and the transcendent dimension.

And so to orient yourself, you need what would you say? An alliance with what's traditional and religious, and alliance with your social community. Absolutely. Yeah. You have people to function in society. Yeah, right. Right. Well, it'd be a good man as well.

You need to have those two dimensions working simultaneously. So yeah, so Josh, what do you have to say to young men, young women for that matter too? And are you talking more to young men? Would you say are you talking more to young women? Do you know? I mean, I'm talking to everybody. And it's not just young people.

My message is making me focused on young people, but I think everybody could listen to this advice, and it's not that I'm full of wisdom. You just have to look at a history book, look how culture and society's functions and were successful. And it was, a lot of it was found in a nuclear family. And it was found in the truth.

And like he said, as a young man, I want to have self-respect and honest self-respect. In order to do that, I need to fight for the truth. And the fact of the matter is, you're going to face persecution for standing up for what's right. We're in a world of evil. Yeah, you're gonna face persecution

for not standing up for it, too though. You bet, man, this is the thing people don't understand, especially when things start to destabilize, is you're screwed both ways. Yeah. And so you can just accept that and think, well, fine, then I'll stick to the truth and I'll take my, I'll take my chances with that side of the equation. And there's no trouble free pathway through life. You can just dispense with that idea instantly.

This is why the security seeking that people engage in when they don't say something with, when they have something to say is so counterproductive. It's like, well, if you keep your mouth shut, you won't get in trouble in the next 10 seconds, but the next five years might kind of dismal, right? As everything you love falls apart and you pull everyone along with you into the cowardly

a bit, a bit, a bit, it's like you might as well just say what you have to say right now and get over with. Yeah, it's suffer now or suffer later, right? Yeah, it's suffer now somewhat with a certain degree of honor, let's say, or suffer much more and much more invisibly. And with a lot more people later, yeah, that's a stupid deal. So yeah, and you sacrifice your soul on that pathway too, and that's not a very good idea.

Exactly. So, and yeah, I believe like, I believe that this life is such a small portion. I truly believe that we're just pilgrims here, and we have an eternity to look forward to. And I would encourage any young person to, I mean, exercise and maintain self-discipline, learn as much as possible, and get on the winning side. I mean, as a Christian, I know that we've already won. We're fighting from victory, not for it. And when Christ paid the price on the cross, that was it.

It is finished, that's what he said. And it is quite encouraging to know that. And so- What happens when we win? Christ already paid the price for us. We've already won. Our sins are paid for, so. So all I can do is continue to fight for what is right

and try to encourage other people, young and old, to quit running towards eternal damnation, repent of what they've done wrong, and join the winning side. And like you said, you will face a little bit of suffering now, but it's a lot better than eternal torment, right? In separation from God. And so yeah, I would certainly encourage everybody to uphold the truth and focus on improving themselves just in their own life, but also sparking change in a world that is just spinning out of control right now. All right, gentlemen. Very nice talking to you.

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