The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast - Message to the school shooters: past, present and future

Episode Date: March 13, 2018

I wrote in some detail and with some depth about motivation for the mass slaughter of innocents in my new book, 12 Rules for Life: An Antidote to Chaos. Because of what happened all-too-recently and brutally in Parkland -- because of what keeps happening -- I thought I would read the relevant chapter (Rule 6: Put your house in perfect order before you criticize the world) and release it on YouTube and as a Podcast.

I've thought a long time about what motivates behavior like that manifested at Columbine and at Sandy Hook, and then of course most recently at Parkland. And because of the Parkland event, I thought that I would read a chapter from my book to everyone. It's chapter 6, rule 6, set your house in perfect order before you criticize the world. And it's an extended meditation on the kind of motivations that drive the people who wish to slaughter innocence as a form of revenge against God. So I'm going to read it to you and you can let me know what you think. Rule 6. Set your house in perfect order before you criticize the world. A religious problem.

It does not seem reasonable to describe the young man who shot 20 children and six staff members at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newton, Connecticut in 2012 as a religious person. This is equally true for the Colorado Theatre gunman and the Columbine High School shooters. But these murderous individuals had a problem with reality that existed at a religious depth. As one of the members of the Columbine duo wrote, The human race isn't worth fighting for, only worth killing. Give the earth back to the animals. They deserve it infinitely

more than we do. Nothing means anything anymore. People who think such things view being itself as inequitable and harsh to the point of corruption and human being in particular as contemptible. They appoint themselves supreme adjudicators of reality and find it wanting. They're the ultimate critics. The deeply cynical writer continues, if you recall your history, the Nazis came up with a final solution to the Jewish problem. Kill them all. Well, in case you haven't figured it out, I say, kill mankind. No one should survive.

For such individuals, the world of experience is insufficient and evil. For such individuals, the world of experience is insufficient and evil, so to hell with everything. What is happening when someone comes to think in this manner? A great German play, Faust, a tragedy written by Johann Wolfgang von Gertz. Addresses that issue. The play's main character, a scholar named Heinrich Faust, trades his immortal soul to the devil, Mephistopheles. In return, he receives whatever he desires while still alive on earth. In Gerthe's play, Mephistopheles is the eternal adversary of being. He has a central defining credo. I am the Spirit who negates and rightly so for all that comes to be

deserves to perish wretchedly. It were better nothing would begin. Thus, everything that your term sin, destruction, evil represent, that is my proper element. Gerthe considered this hateful sentiment so important, so key to the central element of vengeful human destructiveness that he had methastophally saied a second time phrased somewhat differently in part two of the play written many years later. People often think in the methastophelian manner, although they seldom act upon their thoughts as brutally as the mass murderers of school, college, and theater. Whenever we experience injustice, real or imagined, whenever we encounter tragedy or fall prey to the machinations of others, whenever we experience the horror and pain of our own apparently arbitrary limitations, the temptation to question being and then to curse it rises fouly from the darkness.

Why must innocent people suffer so terribly? What kind of bloody, horrible planet is this? Anyway, life is in truth very hard. Everyone is destined for pain and slated for destruction. Sometimes suffering is clearly the result of personal faults such as willful blindness, poor decision-making, or malevolence. In such cases, when it appears to be self-inflicted, it may even seem just. People get what they deserve you might contend. That's cold comfort, however, even when true. Sometimes if those who are suffering change their behavior, then their lives would unfold

less tragically. But human control is limited. Susceptibility to despair, disease, aging, and death is universal. In the final analysis, we do not appear to be the architects of our own fragility. Whose fault is it then? People who are very ill or worse who have a sick child will inevitably find themselves asking this question, whether they are religious believers or not.

The same is true of someone who finds this shirt sleeve caught in the gears of a giant bureaucracy who is suffering through a tax audit or fighting an interminable lawsuit or divorce. And it's not only the obviously suffering who are tormented by the need to blame someone or something for the intolerable state of their being. At the height of his fame, influence, and creative power, for example, the towering Leo Tolstoy himself began to question the value of human existence. He reasoned in this way, my position was terrible. I knew that I could find nothing in the way of rational knowledge except a denial of life, and in faith I could find nothing except a denial of reason. And this was even more impossible than a denial of life. According to rational knowledge, it followed that life is evil and people

know it. They do not have to live, yet they have lived, and they do live, just as I myself had lived, even though I had known for a long time, that life is meaningless and evil. Try as he might, Tolstoy could only identify four means of escaping from such thoughts. One was retreating into childlike ignorance of the problem. Another was pursuing mindless pleasure. The third was continuing to drag out a life that is evil and meaningless, knowing beforehand that nothing can come of it. He identified that particular form of escape with weakness.

The people in this category know that death is better than life, but they do not have the strength to act rationally and quickly put an end to the delusion by killing themselves. Only the fourth and final mode of escape involved strength and energy. It consists of destroying life, once one has realized that life is evil and meaningless. Tolstoy relentlessly followed his thoughts, only unusually strong and logically consistent people act in this manner, having realized all the stupidity of the joke that is being played on us, and seeing that the blessings of the dead are greater than those of the living, and that it is better not to exist, they act and put an end to this stupid joke, and they use any means of doing it, a ropepa on the neck, a water, a knife in the

heart, a train. Tolstoy wasn't pessimistic enough. The stupidity of the joke being played on us does not merely motivate suicide. It motivates murder, mass murder, often followed by suicide. That is a far more effective existential protest. By June of 2016, unbelievable as it may seem, there had been 1,000 mass killings defined as four or more people shot in a single incident, the shooter in the US in 1260 days. That's one such event on five of every six days for more than three years. Everyone says, we don't understand. How can we still pretend that? Tostoy understood more than a century ago.

The ancient authors of the biblical story of Cain and Abel understood as well, more than 20 centuries ago. They described murder as the first act of post-Edanic history, not just murder, but fratricidal murder. Murder not only of someone innocent, but of, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, fragile, fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, fragile, but fragile, fragile, but fragile, fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, but fragile, fragile, fragile, but fragile, fragile, but fragile, but fragile, the worm at the core of the apple, but we will not listen, because the truth cuts too close to the bone. Even for a mind as profound as that of the celebrated Russian author, there was no way out. How can the rest of us manage when a man of Tolstoy's stature admits defeat?

For years he hid his guns from himself and would not walk with a rope in hand, in case he hanged himself. How can a person who is awake avoid outrage at the world? Vengeance or transformation. A religious man might shake his fist in desperation at the apparent injustice and blindness of God. Even Christ himself felt abandoned before the cross, or so the story goes. A more agnostic or atheistic individual might blame fate or meditate bitterly on the brutality of chance. Another might tear himself apart, searching for the character flaws underlying his suffering and deterioration.

These are all variations on a theme, the name of the target changes, but the underlying psychology remains constant. Why? Why is there so much suffering and cruelty? Well, perhaps it really is God's doing, or the fault of blind, pointless fate, if you're inclined to think that way. And there appears to be every reason to think that way. But what happens if you do? Mass murderers believe that the suffering attendant upon existence justifies judgment and revenge as the Columbine boys so clearly indicated, I will sooner die than betray my own thoughts. Before I leave this worthless place, I will kill whoever I deem unfit for anything, especially life. If you pissed me off in the past, you will die if I see you.

You might be able to piss off others, and have it eventually all blow over. But not me. I don't forget people who wronged me. One of the most vengeful murderers of the 20th century, the terrible Karl Panzeram, was raped, brutalized, and betrayed in the Minnesota institution responsible for his rehabilitation when he was a delinquent juvenile. He emerged enraged beyond measure as a burglar, arsonist, rapist, and serial killer. He aimed consciously and consistently at destruction, even keeping track of the dollar value of

the property he burned. He started by hating the individuals who had heard him. His resentment grew until his hatred encompassed all of mankind, and he didn't stop there. His destructiveness was aimed in some fundamental manner at God himself. There's no other way of phrasing it. Panzer am raped, murdered, and burned to express his outrage at being. He acted as if someone was responsible. The same thing happens in the story of Cain and Abel.

Cain's sacrifices are rejected. He exists in suffering. He calls out God and challenges the being he created. God refuses his plea. He tells Cain that his trouble is self-induced. Cain in his rage kills able God's favorite and truth truth be known, canes idle. Canes jealous, of course, of a successful brother, but he destroys able primarily to spite God. This is the truest version of what happens when people take their vengeance to the ultimate extreme. Pan's Ram's response was, and this is what is so terrible, perfectly understandable,

the details of his autobiography reveal that he was one of Tolstoy's strong and logically consistent people. He was a powerful, consistent, fearless actor. He had the courage of his convictions. How could someone like him be expected to forgive and forget, given what had happened to him? Truly terrible things happened to people. It's no wonder they're out for revenge. Under such conditions, vengeance seems a moral necessity. How can it be distinguished from the demand for justice? After all, after the experience of terrible atrocity, isn't forgiveness just cowardice or lack of willpower?

Such questions torment me, but people emerge from terrible pasts to do good and not evil, from terrible pasts to do good and not evil. Although such an accomplishment can seem superhuman. I've met people who managed to do it. I know a man, a great artist, who emerged from just such a school as the one described by Panzeramp. Only this man was thrown into it as an innocent five-year-old, fresh from a long stretch in the hospital, where he had suffered measles, mumps, and chicken pox simultaneously.

Incapable of speaking the language of the school, deliberately isolated from his family, abused, starved, and otherwise tormented, he emerged an angry, broken young man. He heard himself badly in the aftermath with drugs and alcohol and other forms of self-destructive behavior. He detested everyone, God, himself, and blind fate included. But he put an end to all of that. He stopped drinking. He stopped hating, although it still emerges in flashes. He revitalized the artistic culture of his native tradition and trained young men to continue in his footsteps. He produced a 50-foot totem pole, memorializing the events of his life, and a canoe 40 feet long from a single log of a kind rarely

if ever produced now. He brought his family together and held a great potlatch with 16 hours of dancing and hundreds of people in attendance to express his grief and make peace with the past. He decided to be a good person and then he did the impossible things required to live that way. I had a client who did not have good parents. Her mother died when she was very young. Her grandmother, who raised her, was a herodin, bitter, and over-concerned with appearances. She mistreated her granddaughter, punishing her for her virtues, creativity, sensitivity, intelligence, unable to resist acting out her resentment for an

admittedly hard life on her granddaughter. She had a better relationship with her father, but he was an addict who died badly while she cared for him. My client had his son. She perpetuated none of this with him. He grew up truthful and independent and hardworking and smart. Instead of widening the tear in the cultural fabric she inherited and transmitting it, she soared it up. She rejected the sins of her forefathers. Such things can be done.

Nietzsche wrote these words, distress whether psychic, physical or intellectual need not at all produced nihilism, that is the radical rejection of value, meaning and desirability. Such distress always permits a variety of interpretations. What Nietzsche meant was this. People who experience evil may certainly desire to perpetuate it, to pay it forward, but it is also possible to learn good by experiencing evil. A bullied boy can mimic his tormentors, but it can also learn from his own abuse that it is wrong to push people around and make their lives miserable. Someone tormented by her mother can learn from her terrible experiences, how important it is to be a good parent. Many, perhaps even most of the adults who abused children, were abused themselves as children.

However, the majority of people who were abused as children do not abuse their own children. This is a well-established fact, which can be demonstrated simply, erhythmically, in this way. If one parent abused three children and each of those children had three children, and so on, then there would be three abusers in the first generation, nine the second, 27 the third, 81th, and so on exponentially. After 20 generations, more than 10 billion would have suffered childhood abuse. More people than currently inhabit the planet. But instead, abuse disappears across generations.

People constrain its spread. That's a testament to the genuine dominance of good over evil in the human heart. The desire for vengeance, however justified, also bars the way to other productive thoughts. The American English poet T. S. Eliot explained why in his play, the cocktail party. One of his characters is not having a good time of it. She speaks of her profound unhappiness to a psychiatrist. She says she hopes all her suffering is her own fault. The psychiatrist is taken aback. He asks why? She has thought long and hard about this, she says, and has come to the following conclusion. If it's her fault, she might be able to do something about it. If it's God's fault, however, if reality itself is flawed, hell-bent on ensuring her

misery, then she is doomed. She couldn't change the structure of reality itself, but maybe she could change her own life. Alexander Solzhenitsyn, the great Russian documentary of the abuses of Stalinism had every reason to question the structure of existence when he was imprisoned in a Soviet labor camp in the middle of the terrible 20th century. He had served as a soldier on the ill-prepared Russian front lines in the face of a Nazi invasion. He had been arrested, beaten, and thrown into prison by his own people.

Then he was struck by cancer. He could have become resentful and bitter. His life had been rendered miserable by both Stalin and Hitler, two of the worst tyrants in history. He lived in brutal conditions, vast stretches of his time, were stolen from him and squandered. He witnessed the pointless and degrading suffering and death of his friends and acquaintances. Then he contracted an extremely serious disease. Soljinnits had caused to curse God.

Job himself barely had it as hard. But the great writer, the profound spirited defender of truth, did not allow his mind to turn towards vengeance and destruction. He opened his eyes instead, during his many trials, Solzhenitsyn encountered people who comported themselves nobly under horrific circumstances. He contemplated their behavior deeply. Then he asked himself the most difficult of questions. And he personally contributed to the catastrophe of his life.

If so, how? He remembered his unquestioning support of the Communist Party in his early years. He reconsidered his whole life. He had plenty of time in the camps. How did he miss the mark in the past? How many times did he act against his own conscience, engaging in actions that he knew to be wrong. How many times that he betrayed himself and lied?

Was there any way that the sins of his past could be rectified, atoned for, in the muddy hell of a Soviet gulag? Solzhenitsyn poured over the details of his life with a fine toothed comb. He asked himself a second question and a third, can I stop making such mistakes? Now? Can I repair the damage done by my past failures? Now? He learned to watch and to listen.

He found people he admired who were honest despite everything. He took himself apart piece by piece, let what was unnecessary and harmful die and resurrected himself. Then he wrote the Gulag Archipelago, a history of the Soviet prison camp system. It's a forceful, terrible book. Written with the overwhelming moral force of Unvarnish truth, its sheer outrage screamed unbearably across hundreds of pages, banned, and for good reason, in the USSR, it was smuggled to the west in the 1970s and burst

upon the world. Solzhenitsyn's writing utterly and finally demolished the intellectual credibility of communism as ideology or society. He took an axe to the trunk of the tree whose bitter fruits had nourished him so poorly and whose planting he had witnessed and supported. One man's decision to change his life instead of cursing fate shook the whole pathological system of communist tyranny to its core. It crumbled entirely not so many years later, and Solzhenitsyn's courage was not the least of the reasons why. Jonson's courage was not the least of the reasons why. He was not the only such person to perform such a miracle. That clove havel, the persecuted writer who later, impossibly, became the president of Czechoslovakia. Then of the new Czech Republic comes to mind as does Mahatma Gandhi. Things fall apart. Whole peoples have adamantly refused to judge reality, to criticize being, to blame God. It's interesting to consider the Old Testament Hebrews in this regard. Their travails followed a consistent pattern. The stories of Adam and Eve and

Cain and Abel and Noah and the Tower of Babel are truly ancient. Their origins vanish into the mysteries of time. It's not until after the flood story in Genesis that something like history as we understand it truly starts. It starts with Abraham. Abraham's descendants become the Hebrew people of the Old Testament, also known as the Hebrew Bible. They enter a covenant with Yahweh, with God, and begin their recognizably historical adventures. Under the leadership of a great man, the Hebrews organized themselves into a society, and then an empire. As their fortunes rise, success breeds pride and arrogance. Corruption raises its ugly head. The increasingly heubristic state becomes obsessed with power, begins to forget its duty

to the widows and the orphans, and deviates from its age-old agreement with God. A prophet arises. He brazenly and publicly reviles the authoritarian king and faithless country for their failures before God, an act of blind courage, telling them of the terrible judgment to come. When his wise words are not completely ignored, they are heated too late. God smites his wayward people, dooming them to abject defeat in battle and generations of subjugation. The Hebrews repent at length, blaming their misfortune on their own failure to adhere to God's word.

They insist to themselves that they could have done better. They rebuilt their state and the cycle begins again. This is life. We build structures to live in. We build families and states and countries. We abstract the principles upon which those structures are founded and formulate systems of belief. At first, we inhabit those structures and beliefs like Adam and Eve in paradise, but success makes us complacent. We forget to pay attention. We take what we have for granted. We turn a blind eye.

We fail to notice that things are changing or that corruption is taking root and everything falls apart. Is that the fault of reality or God? Or do things fall apart because we have not paid sufficient attention? When the hurricane hit New Orleans and the town sank under the waves, was that a natural disaster? The Dutch prepared their dikes for the worst storm in 10,000 years. Had New Orleans followed that example, no tragedy would have occurred. It's not that no one knew the flood control act of 1965 mandated improvements in the levee system that held back late Pontre train. The system was to be completed by 1978.

Forty years later, only 60% of the work had been done. Willful blindness and corruption took the city down. A hurricane is an act of God, but failure to prepare when the necessity for preparation is well known. That's sin. That's failure to hit the mark. And the wages of sin is death. Romans 623. The ancient Jews always blamed themselves when things fell apart. They acted as if God's goodness, the goodness of reality, was axiomatic and took responsibility for their own failure. That's insanely responsible. But the alternative is to judge reality as insufficient, to criticize being itself, and to sink into resentment and the desire for

revenge. If you are suffering, well, that's the norm. People are limited and life is tragic. If you're suffering is unbearable, however, and you are starting to become corrupted, here's something to think about. Clean up your life. Consider your circumstances. Start small. Have you taken full advantage of the opportunities offered to you? Are you working hard on your career or even your job or are you letting bitterness and resentment hold you back and drag you down? Have you made peace with your brother? Are you treating your spouse and your children with dignity

and respect? Do you have habits that are destroying your health and well-being? Do you have habits that are destroying your health and well-being? Are you truly shouldering your responsibilities? Have you said what you need to say to your friends and family members? Are there things that you could do, that you know you could do, that would make things around you better? Have you cleaned up your life? If the answer is no, here's something to try. Start to stop doing what you know to be wrong. Start stopping today.

Don't waste time questioning how you know that what you're doing is wrong if you're certain that it is. Inopportune questioning can confuse without enlightening as well as deflecting you from action. You can know that something is wrong or right without knowing why. Your entire being can tell you something that you can neither explain nor articulate. Every person is too complex to know themselves completely, and we all contain wisdom that we cannot comprehend.

So, simply stop when you apprehend however dimly that you should stop. Stop acting in that particular despicable manner. Stop saying those things that make you weak and ashamed. Say only those things that make you strong. Do only those things that you could speak of with honor. You can use your own standards of judgment. You can rely on yourself for guidance. You don't have to adhere to some external arbitrary code of behavior, although you should not overlook the guidance of your culture. Life is short, and you don't have time to figure out everything on your own. The wisdom of the past was hard earned, and your dead ancestors

may have something useful to tell you. Don't blame capitalism, the radical left, or the iniquity of your enemies. Don't reorganize the state until you have ordered your own experience, have some humility. If you cannot bring peace to your household, how dare you try to rule a city. Let your own soul guide you. Watch what happens over the days and weeks When you are at work you will begin to say what you really think You will start to tell your wife or your husband or your children or your parents what you really want and need When you know that you have left something undone you will act to correct the omission Your head will start to clear up as you stop filling it with lies.

Your experience will improve as you stop distorting it within authentic actions. You will then begin to discover new, more subtle things that you are doing wrong. Stop doing those too. After some months and years of diligent effort, your life will become simpler and less complicated. Your judgment will improve. You will untangle your past. You will become stronger and less bitter. You will move more confidently into the future.

You will stop making your life unnecessarily difficult. You will then be left with the inevitable bear tragedies of life, but they will no longer be compounded with bitterness and deceit. Perhaps you will discover that you're now less corrupted soul, much stronger than it might otherwise have been, is now able to bear those remaining necessary, minimal, inescapable tragedies. Perhaps you will even learn to encounter them so that they stay tragic, merely tragic, instead of degenerating into outright hellishness. Maybe your anxiety and hopelessness and resentment and anger, however murderous initially, will

recede. Perhaps your uncorrupted soul will then see its existence as a genuine good, as something to celebrate, even in the face of your own vulnerability. Perhaps you will become an ever more powerful force for peace and whatever is good. Perhaps you will then see that if all people did this in their own lives, the world might stop being an evil place. After that, with continued effort, perhaps it could even stop being a tragic place. After that, with continued effort, perhaps it could even stop being a tragic place. Who knows what existence might be like if we all decided to strive for the best? Who knows what eternal heavens might be established by our spirits purified by truth, aiming skyward, right here on the fallen earth. Set your house in perfect order before you criticize the world. you you