The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast - My Clinical License Is as Good as Gone

Episode Date: January 23, 2024

College of Psychologists of Ontario: https://cpo.on.ca/contact-us/ Dr. Jordan B. Peterson and his daughter Mikhaila explain the current situation with the College of Psychologists of Ontario. 

Hey dad. Hey Mick. Fancy meeting you here. Yeah, fancy seeing you here too. Well this might not be the most fun conversation, but I thought before we delve into how awful this is, I thought I could just read a brief background I wrote about what's been going on so people are caught up to speed. Is that okay? Yep.

Okay. The gist of it is it looks like your license is getting taken away. But starting from the beginning, the College of Psychologists of Ontario, a regulatory board that was formed to monitor psychologists' relationships with their clients mainly, has been after you for, is it three years or is it longer than that? It depends on the waves, but for this issue it's been three or four years, yeah. So working professionals like doctors, lawyers, massage therapists even are all overseen by regulatory boards. What regulatory boards are supposed to do is give clients who've been basically abused

by working professionals a place to to go to, to complain to. What happened to you is a bunch of people who weren't your clients, random people online from all over the world, complained about a number of your tweets, as well as comments you made on Joe Rogan. The sorry not beautiful tweet in reference to a extremely obese swimsuit model,

a tweet criticizing the government of Canada, a tweet saying that physicians were moving women's breasts for being trans was criminal. And one, I thought, fairly entertaining tweets suggesting that this is the tweet that people online are saying you were inciting suicide, which honestly I think you'd have to have the IQ of a beetle in order to think that.

But anyway, you responded to someone who thought the world's population was too high and suggested that he should include himself in the depopulation. He was already suggesting the college basically took all those complaints and decided that you pose a moderate risk to the public. And I quote, the tweets were undermining public trust in the profession of psychology and trust in the college's ability to regulate the profession in the public interest. So completely ignoring the fact that one morbid obesity should not be encouraged as it kills people, removing your breasts and sterilizing yourself should not be encouraged. And I'm not even

sure why we'd have to explain that criticizing the government should be protected and sarcasm is a form of humor. They decided you have to undergo reeducation, which you fought back against and lost and appealed and lost because in my opinion, the court system in Canada is full of woke judges. So there was no winning there. And now you're basically in a position where you either undergo reeducation, which won't work because you won't get turned to woke or lose your license. You don't know. You never know this time next year, man, it's pink hair and away we go on the radical leftist side. Yeah.

No, you don't think so. I don't think so. So that's the overview. So I guess we could start with like, how are you feeling about all this? I think you were insulting to Beatles. Ha! Ha! Ha!

What have they ever done to you, Mikayla? Okay, anyways. Yeah, so are you okay? It's tiring. You know, like I'm preparing for this tour. I have a, I'm finishing two books. They're very complicated. They take pretty much all my attention and having to

fight this war, well, it's tiring. You know, I have to plot, strategize, write, watch my tongue, consider my next best move. And I also have to face the dismal reality that, as I wrote in the National Post and Canada's National Post this week, that in some real fundamental sense Canada's Charter of Rights isn't worth the paper it's written on and likely professionals in this country can say goodbye to their right to express themselves politically or otherwise, politically or professionally. I don't think that my tweets, some of my tweets were political in a sense in that I was criticizing

certain government figures, Councilman Trudeau's former chief of staff and Justin, the W.E.F. puppet himself. I suppose you could argue that those were political opinions and fair enough but I have the right to my political opinions. That tweets that I really got criticized for particularly the one regarding Ellen Page or Elliot Page or however he or she wants to be referred to. I also regarded that as a professional obligation because I think it's incumbent on psychologists with an ounce of integrity to point out the danger of having self-deluded, narcissistic, self-destructive celebrities parade their proclivity to self-sterilize

and self-mutilate as a public good on their public forums. So I don't regret any of that. And I certainly, you know me, Michaela, I can feel guilty at the drop of a hat. It's actually one of my outstanding features and I've scoured my conscience with regards to these accusations and The best I can do is to find them grimly amusing. This is so ridiculous. I mean the fact that the college accepted a complaint that was the entire transcript of my three-hour

discussion with Joe Rogan pretty much says it all. And by the way, on the climate front, just so that everyone is crystal clear about this, I think the climate models that are used to justify the encroaching tyranny planned by the WF are 100% untrustworthy. And I think that the notion that we should let people terrify us to death with notions of an impending climate apocalypse so that we have to be locked down in every possible manner, give up our automobiles,

give up our flights, private or otherwise, give up our right to buy clothing, give up our right to eat, give up our flights, private or otherwise, give up our right to buy clothing, give up our right to eat, give up our right to keep grandma warm or cool in the summer, let's say. It's like, no, sorry, no, wrong in every possible way. And more and more people are waking up to that realization. You know, some of these tweets are now two years old.

I think they've aged remarkably well, personally. And so, I just, I don't see where the crime is here, man. I think the crime would have been holding my tongue. So, and you know, you asked me how I'm doing. It's like, this didn't really come as a surprise. So I'd already prepared for it. And as you and I spoke about last night, and I've talked over with Tammy too, and with Julian, my son for, you know, to some degree, we're going to see what good we can make arise from this.

And if this is my opportunity to further expose the machinations of the radical left narcissistic resentful woke mob, then bring it on boys. We saw what happened to Claudine Gay. We saw what happened to the president of UPenn. If the good people at the Ontario College of Psychologists think they're immune from such things, they have another thing coming. So, you know, and maybe I'm wrong. I'm not wrong about the damn tweets. You know, I might be wrong about how this is going to unfold, but even there, the worst thing they can do to me is take my license. Now, they're definitely planning to do that because the rule is I have to be educated by people of their choice at my expense

For whatever length of time they deem suitable until by their standards I've learned whatever the hell lesson I'm supposed to learn and I can't even imagine what that lesson would be It's like what don't tweet don't speak don't think Don't tell my clients the truth. So I don't know how to learn that lesson. I don't know how they're going to measure whether or not I've learned it. I don't know who they're going to get to measure it.

I have no idea who they're going to get to teach me. I guess we're going to find out. I would like to find out. I'm very curious about that person. And so I'm set up for failure. And my detractors will say, well, Dr. Peterson, you say set up for failure and my detractors will say, well, Dr. Peterson, you say yourself up for failure. You know, whatever.

But... Those are the Beatles I was referring to. Yeah, yeah. I know. And well, I don't think I've set myself up for failure. I wouldn't say the evidence so far suggests that I have. And so, you know, it's so much of its preposterous. One of the things I asked the college, they never answered, I asked them 40 questions

in a letter of this level of impossibility. So one of them was, all right, so you got about a dozen complaints, maybe they got like 17 complaints and decided to proceed with 13, something like that. From people from all over the world detailing out the, uh, my crimes as we've discussed, many of those complainants claimed falsely in writing to be clients of mine, the way which didn't invalidate their opinions apparently None of them just to be clear about this none of the more clients of mine or new clients of mine or were anyone I commented about on Twitter or knew anyone I commented about on Twitter, so we want to be clear about that and I Can't see how this can play out in any other way than I take the course, it doesn't work,

because it's set up not to work, then they take my license. Okay, now what's the consequence of me losing my license? Well, it's annoying, you know, because those are hard licenses to get, and I worked very hard to earn and deserve that license and to maintain it and also very hard at being a good therapist which I was there were no complaints taken about against me by anyone until I became known in the public sphere you know so that's a good thing to consider and I'm not that happy about the prospect of the woke Beatles that you described

having their way with my professional credentials. It annoys me deeply. Now on the other hand, I'm not dependent on that license anymore. I have other tricks up my sleeve, so to speak anyways and at some point I'm going to determine that being a member of their pathetic little incestuous, ideologically addled, resentment, ridden, bureaucratic, pea-brained, micro-sold club is not worth the effort. And I suppose we're probably there already, but I have something to do publicly, you know, in my delusion. And like I said, maybe I'm wrong and I should just shut the hell up and pack up and go home. But my sense, grandiose though it may be, is that these bloody colleges, regulatory boards,

they pose a major threat to the free speech and free thought of all Canadians, not just professionals. Canadians can think for themselves. threat to the free speech and free thought of all Canadians, not just professionals, Canadians can think for themselves. What sort of professional consultation are you going to be able to obtain when the people you're talking to are terrified of telling you the truth? When you bring them your 13-year-old daughter who's in major distress, who's so concerned about her body that she's thinking about sterilizing herself and having her breasts removed, and your idiot goddamn

Psychologist isn't going to be able to do anything except lie to you that it's all right How's that gonna go for you? You think that through for like 15 seconds And if you don't think that'll happen to someone in your family soon You either don't have a family or you're deluded because it's coming your way real soon don't have a family or you're deluded because it's coming your way real soon. So you know I feel that I have an obligation to fight this out in the public sphere and many ways it would be simpler for me just to tell them to go directly to hell and give up my license proudly you know and not worry about

this again but I don't know I'm not don't know. I'm not there yet. It might happen. I'm not there yet. We'll play out this farce to its end and I'll do that in the faith that if I conduct myself with a certain degree of honor and care, that the results won't be precisely what my would-be enemies intend. Let's put it that way. Yeah. This is, I mean, luckily you're in a position where this isn't going to crush you, but if this happened to somebody who didn't have multiple streams of income, what would they do?

They'd just be reeducated and lie, I suppose, or quit. Well the problem with being re, it's not that easy to be reeducated and lie, I suppose, or quit. Well, the problem with being re... It's not that easy to be reeducated and lie. I mean, first of all, you know, it's pretty hard on your soul. Second, you can't lie persistently without becoming corrupted. You can't pretend without tilting in the direction of your pretense. And so an honorable person in this situation is basically, they're basically

screwed. Like there's nothing they can really do, you know, because if they quit, which is what they should do, they should tell them to go to hell publicly and repeatedly. Amy Hamm, the nurse in British Columbia, they've tortured her to death and she was very afraid of them and she's come out swinging again, so, you know, she's got some spy in that girl. Did she oppose what was going on with COVID? That's her story?

Well, she really got in trouble, as I understand it, for insisting that there was a biological difference between men and women, right? Which is the most basic of facts, right? Of all facts. That is the most basic. If you are willing to compromise yourself on the issue of the reality of biological sex, there is no lie

you won't swallow. And that's why we're being tempted with that particular proposition, because the evil system of ideas that has the woke ideologues in its clutches has, as part of its structure of implicit knowledge the certainty that if the lie of Gender fluidity well, let's say biological sex fluidity can be promulgated. There's no limit whatsoever so You know when people they want to delay the inevitable if the woke mob mob comes knocking, they'll kowtow and apologize, and it's certainly understandable because who the hell wants to put their families' financial security at risk, their professional license.

But, you know, at some point, you can have a certain amount of hell now, or you can have way more hell later. And I've never been someone to wait around for the next wave of hell when I can just get it over with right now. You know, and I guess that's what accounts for whatever degree of combativeness I have. It's we're going to have a fight. We're going to have it right now. And we're going to get to the bottom of it. So pleasant as though, pleasant though that will be.

So I don't know, the sardonic part of me Like there's a blackly amusing element to this it's so ridiculous that it's almost incomprehensible and so I'm curious. It's like okay it With each mode that's this gets either I get more deluded or this gets darker, you know, depending on how you look at it. I presume it's that it gets darker, like the rot within the Canadian, the rot within Canada gets exposed more deeply. I mean we've seen something similar, as I said, take place on the university front in the United States.

There are lots of people jumping up and down about that right now, like Bill Ackman and Christopher Rufo. Rufo probably knows more than anyone else about how deep that rot goes. But would-be Democrats like Ackman, they're shocked by Claudine Gay and the President of UPenn in MIT. It's like, if that shocked you, you guys have a lot more, you have a lot more devils to encounter in the next few months. This is a big problem. You know, in Canadians, I thought about this a lot. For about 150 years, Canadians could rest assured in the essential reliability of their fundamental institutions.

And maybe Canada foremost among countries in the world. You know, I mean, arguably the Scandinavian countries were in the same league in certain European countries, and the United States on a good day, but Canada was pretty damn stable, kind of dull, little hard on excellence, but reliable, orderly, stable, predictable, peace order and good government sort of place. And like that was 1995, boys and girls, and wherever the hell you are now, it's not there. And Canadians not only don't know that, they don't want to know that, but also they don't even know how to find out to know that because, especially the older Canadians, they're accustomed to relying on legacy news services like CBC, Canadian Broadcasting Corporation,

to provide them with, you know, at least quasi-valid information. Forget about that. Those days are gone. That ended in 2015. That's quite a while ago now. So, you know, let's let the comedy roll, man. And you know, one of the things the CPO people don't understand, probably don't want to understand, is that I had to hold my tongue and bide my time while this legal action was proceeding. And now it's like, it's very dangerous to put someone in a position where they don't have anything to lose. I don't have anything to lose. The worst they can do, and this is what they'll do, is they'll take my license and then I'll be known by those who wish to foster enmity

against me as now-disgraced Canadian psychologist Jordan Peterson. But what that's going to do, I believe, is bring disgrace to those who levy that epithet. It'll just undermine the validity of the designation itself. It will undermine public trust in the idea of psychologist, in the reliability of that designation. Now, you know, that's a pretty preposterous claim. But, and maybe I'm wrong, and if I'm wrong, well, I'm willing to take the punches, but, but there's a reason that people bought 11 million copies of my book. The reason they bought 11 million copies of 12 Rules for Life was that they found it helpful, like psychologically helpful, which was its purpose.

There's a reason that the video interviews and lectures that I produced on YouTube and released on YouTube, mostly for free, not that I produced on YouTube and released on YouTube mostly for free, not that I haven't benefited financially from all of this because I certainly have and I'm not the least bit ashamed of that. In fact, I'm pretty happy about it and grateful for it and hope it will continue and I'm striving to make sure it does. It's like there's a reason people are watching those videos and listening. It's like there's a reason people are watching those videos and listening. So we'll see whose reputation suffers.

Hopefully, I won't do anything too stupid and angry along the way. And I don't think I will because I'm actually not particularly angry. It's like I digested all this a long time ago. I'm sad about it. I'm sad for my country. You know, and we've talked too. You moved. I could move to Arizona and have a heartbeat. Yeah. You know, my son Julian, he's an American. He could leave. Lots of Canadians are moving. Three times as many Canadians move to the U.S. as vice versa. We're going to be the worst performing economy in the developed world

for the next 30 years by the current projections. Really? We make less money now in Canada on average than people in Mississippi, and sorry for everybody in Mississippi to use you as that example, but hey, you're all doing better than Canadians, so you can be happy about that. It'd be much simpler for me just to say, oh, you know, pack up all my troubles in the old kit bag and hit the road. You know, it's not like I'm not used to moving around,

but I don't know. It's kind of interesting. So and I'm I also feel a certain moral obligation. Do you do you think that you're going to continue this battle legally? Well, we do have one avenue. There is one appeal route left. We can appeal directly to the Supreme Court. It's a very low probability maneuver.

And another loss, Who knows, right? Because assume that gets rejected, which is the most likely outcome. Well then, those who are not very fond of me will say to those who want to believe, well, you know, three different levels of Canadian judiciary decided that Dr. Peterson was wrong. Who the hell is he to make claims that this is an inappropriate response. And look, I can understand why people would believe that. I would want to believe that. Yeah, it means the entire court system is compromised.

Basically. Well, it certainly implies that. You'll be happy to know now, though though that the federal court today announced that you have the Right or even the obligation to reveal your pronouns when you address the court and that you also can start your whatever it is You're doing with an indigenous land acknowledgement. So oh my god make of that what they want. Yeah, they just announced that on Twitter today The Arizona sounds like sounds like the right move. That's my opinion. Yeah, yeah. Well, you have a personal stake in the matter too,

but I also appreciate that. I'm pretty happy that you'd be happy if we moved down there. But I've got, well, Julian's here. He should move too. Plans to stay. Yeah, well, there's plenty of people thinking in that direction. But for now, I think we'll continue our...

I'll continue in the course that I've set myself on and Tammy's behind it. And, you know, I'm willing to play come what may. You know, I already have my ducks in order with regards to my strategies. I'm going to say what I think. I don't really care what happens Like that's not exactly. It's not like I don't care. That's wrong. Sorry that that's ill stated There isn't anything better that could conceivably happen to me than exactly what will happen to me Regardless of how it appears if I am careful and state the truth. I Firmly believe that I don truth, I firmly believe that. I don't even think I believe it.

I think I know it. So whatever success I've had is because I say what I think. And obviously I paid a certain kind of price for that. I don't have a research career anymore. Although that's not exactly true either because I have some pretty damn good researchers on my staff and we're doing some remarkable things at a rate that was like a hundred times faster than anything I could do in the university. Like I don't think in some sense I haven't lost anything. Like I had to change. I'm not a full-time practicing

professor anymore although I'm still a professor emeritus so I have that designation. I don't have a clinical practice but I'm kind of practicing on a global stage. That's not an over, that's not an exaggeration. I don't have a university, but I'm building one. That's kind of interesting. So there's nothing in it that hasn't been gained apart from a certain amount of stress. But you know, what are you going to have a life without stress? I don't think so. And if you're not worrying about something big that's real, you're

going to worry about something that's small and delusional. So you can forget the whole stress free thing. You wouldn't even want that if you could have it. You know, people are way too ordinary and unreasonable to want a stress free existence. You know, You hear people say, I just want to be happy. It's like, oh, just, that's all you want. It's to be like walking around in a cloud of delight, 100% of the time. And then they say, just as if that's the easiest thing in the world for anyone to imagine and manage. It's like, no, definitely not. Do you think, like, is there, so I've been talking about this a bit on my Instagram

and people have reached out and said, is there anything I can do to help? But... Right to college? Yeah, okay. Sure. Paper would be best, but if you have to do it electronically, do it electronically. Sure. You know, do it electronically. Sure. You know, that's helpful.

Maybe we'll link that then in the description for anybody who's interested. Sure. I still think it's all, like you're doomed. Your license was gone, I guess, as soon as you became famous in 2017. Like it wasn't going to be there, which you said yourself, I think in 2016 or 2017 that speaking out like this is going to, I mean, you were a bit more doomsday about it, something about lose you your career. But well, I feel like you've been talking about this for a while.

Well, I saw what happened. I lost my professorship. Essentially, it just became impossible. People might be curious about that. You know, I couldn't figure out if I could go back to the university for quite a long time and it certainly would have been uncomfortable to do so given the woke direction of all educational institutions. But I think I could have gone back and made peace with my colleagues.

It's not like I didn't fundamentally get along with them, you know. But I realized once I recovered and could think clearly that I couldn't take graduate students anymore. I couldn't train researchers because one of the things you're hoping if you train researchers is that they go off to be professors. And I trained plenty of professors, which is a high level of success for an academic researcher, by the way. It's one of the standards by which attainment in those fields is judged. There isn't a hope in hell that anyone who ever worked for me, much less got a letter of reference from me, let's say, because they were my student, or who even agreed to be in my lab

would ever get an academic position. So how could I continue as a professor? And then with regards to being a clinical psychologist, well, first of all, once things blew up around me, my life was so complicated that I just didn't have the capacity, free capacity necessary to concentrate as diligently on my client's welfare as would it be necessary?

Because when you're in a clinical session with someone for an hour, nothing that's about you is supposed to happen. Right? So if you're preoccupied, well, that's not good. And plus you'll make a mistake, especially if people are talking to you about really important things. And then also, I have to have free time outside of my practice to take phone calls and so forth and to drop everything at the drop of a hat in case there's an emergency. You know, you remember when you were growing up. Oh yeah. How often did the phone ring in during the week from a client? In a client

in rough shape. I was going to bring that up during this podcast. I mean, I feel like there are a few clients where it might have been every day. Like it was really frequent. Right, right. Well, I gave them my phone number too. Yeah. So, yeah, you got to be all in if you're a psychotherapist and there's just no way I could continue with that, not in good conscience, you know, and that was really painful because I liked my clients and they liked me and some of them

I had a relationship with. There was as deep as you typically have with a family member, certainly. Like you get to know people in a clinical environment, maybe better than anyone else has ever known them. If the thing goes well, those are close relationships. And so it was very painful for me and for my clients to have that all evaporate. But the writing was on the wall, you know, and you when reality comes knocking, you're a fool if you turn away regardless of what it is. So, and this is the same thing now, it's like this looks like bad news and it's certainly bad news for other professionals.

And I think Canadian professionals who aren't woke themselves and who don't have their heads fully in the sand and their nether regions exposed for exploitation, let's say. They know this is bad news. Well, that's the image that came to mind the other day when I was thinking about Canada. Yeah, I know, I know. Yeah, that's part of what happens when you let your shadow talk to you, you know. Oh, man. Yeah, pretty rough, man. So it's tiring. You know, I've been very tired this week and it's been difficult to concentrate on my book, Wine, Wine. And that is a problem because it's due right away. And I suppose to the degree I am angry, I'm angry because I don't like having my times stolen by dimwits who don't have anything better to do with their lives than promote the dogma of ignorant

men and moralize about it. I don't like that, to say the least. And part of the reason I don't like that is because I know where it goes Where it goes is not good and where Canada is going is not good It might all already be that where Canada is is not good. The biggest fear I have right now for the country is that Trudeau will hang on for another year because Getting rid of that man is like trying to get a fly out of sticky paper. Yeah, with all the mess that would entail. And then Pierre Paulia will be elected. And then we'll find out just how bad things are. And that'll be dumped on his shoulders.

And his government will fail because of the cataclysm that he's inherited. The Conservatives will have a one-term shot at it, and then like Mark Carney will be the new Prime Minister of Canada. That's the most likely outcome, and by that time Canadians will make 40% of what Americans make instead of the 60% they make now. Yeah, yeah. So, you know, that's, that's rough and likely. So maybe not. But, you know, I have, I have some of the abilities of Cassandra. Cassandra was a seer who was fated to be entirely accurate in her predictions. Her torture was that no one ever listened to her.

So I don't have that problem because people do listen to me, but I do have some ability to see down the road to where things are going. I mean, I'm optimistic fundamentally. I certainly do believe that as a species, we're on the cusp of a potential prosperity and realm of possibility that's unparalleled. I like that better. I tell you, we could sure carry everything to an unimaginable hell in a hand basket with equal ease. And, you know, I'm hoping that we're all wise enough to pick the former root and

not to engage too carelessly in the delights of the latter. And everyone can see that playing itself out. I feel like another outcome could be Trump winning in America. And I feel like Canada always kind of trails behind what America does a little bit. And so potentially Trump could turn around America and then Canada could follow suit after that, give or take five years after or something. That would be a more optimistic outcome. Well, we'll see. It's certainly the case that the Jewish community in the United States

and Canada are waking up to the dangers of the progressive idiocy that they so foolishly by majority supported. So that's a good thing. Certainly MIT, Harvard, and U-Pen revealed their hand. So the degree of rot in the educational institutions is becoming to be somewhat nonsense, especially on the green front. I mean, the German working class is, let's put it this way, not very happy. We saw what happened in Argentina. Did you see the new president went to the WAF? Yeah, did you see the speech? Yeah, I did.

Did you see the AI translated version in English? No, no. Oh, oh man It's good. Yeah, the AI is really coming along. We're gonna use that for Peterson Academy I think it looks like he's speaking in English and he even has it's in his voice and his accent. It's really good I'll send it to you. Yeah, okay. Okay. Yeah. Well, he I mean he for everyone who's watching and listening I mean he went to the WEF in Devo's and said, you guys have got the problem wrong. You're the problem. And that's what I think. It's like top-down, centralizing, globalist, green utopians, moralizing about the poor, expelling carbon while flying around the world in their jets.

Yep, they're the problem. Pretty obviously. That's you, El Gore. Interesting. It's interesting that they invited him. I thought that was interesting. It is interesting. Yeah.

Weird, huh? Yeah, right, they're enough. And also good, you know? I mean, that is one of the things that, you know, you have to give the devil his due. They did have enough gall to invite him. So, and he had enough courage to speak. So, you know, that could be worse. You know, and there are other things unfolding around me that are very, very optimistic.

We're launching Peterson Academy, as you pointed out, at the end of February, and that's fun. You know, it's a great adventure to see if we can offer high-level university equivalent education for like 10% of the price to everyone. That's a cool thing. The art conference. The art conference. You know, I started getting involved with this organization, the Alliance for Responsible Citizenship, which is trying to promote a vision of decentralized responsibility as the

antithesis of top-down, centralizing, globalist, green utopia slash hell. And we had a lovely time at the conference it was a smashing hit we got 15,000 people at those two afterwards for a public event that's going great guns and it was really I really enjoy working with the people that I've been working with you know so I have a lot of reasons to be optimistic in my own life Tammy's's doing well, you're doing well, Julian's thriving. I'm not 98% dead. So, you know, that's a good thing. So the college thing is a bump in the road in some real way and also an opportunity. It's an opportunity. It's an annoying opportunity.

You know, well, it is an annoying opportunity, but I'm doing my best to be grateful for it too, because I think, I do believe, and we've had lots of experience like this. And we've already talked about this is that just because the thing that's happening to you at the moment presents a problem doesn't mean it isn't rife with opportunity. And I do think that's a reflection of the old dragon gold symbolism, you know? It's like you have to confront a dragon to get the gold. But what that also implies is that, well, it might look like a dragon, but maybe it's a treasure house. You know, and we're sort of taking that attitude with regards to Peterson Academy and also with essay, the app that I'm working on with Julian,

it's like, nobody teaches people how to write. Okay, well if nobody's doing it, and you see that, well then you could do it. The universities are disintegrating. Okay, well, hey, people still need to be educated. And that's a better way of looking at the world is just because it looks like I don't know if there's any such thing as an opportunity that doesn't present itself as a problem. It's a great way of thinking about problems. It's not naive. That doesn't make it easy. You know, if you're really having trouble with your wife and you figure out what the trouble is, you could radically

improve her life and your life and maybe the ability of both of you to communicate with everyone else. That's a hell of a gift, you know, in the guise of that problem. So I'm okay, tired. That's the only problem, you know, because I was already working pretty much at 100% capacity And I suppose there's some danger in that but I'm trying to finish this book and it's a really hard book and So when something like this comes along It I'm burning up energy

I really don't have and There's a certain danger in that and I get a little more irritable I think I was mouthy on Twitter last night again after not being so, you know, for a number of months. And that was a bit of a slip. But, and that's a danger, you know, and it's one of the dangers of this sort of trial by process that I'm in at the moment is that one of the typical outcomes for people who are pinned down by responsibility-less bureaucrats hiding behind the luxury of their positions is that they get pushed to the point where they do something stupid. Then as soon as they do something stupid, you know, of course they're screwed because

their tormentors jump all over them and say, well, we knew you were like that from the beginning. Then as soon as they do something stupid, you know, of course, they're screwed because their Tormentors jump all over them and say well, we knew you were like that from the beginning and that's what we were warning everyone for That's the social justice perv's voice by the way case you were wondering Lovely Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah dictatorship by screeching harpy That's where we're at now Right, we're at now, right? We're gonna find out what the feminine proclivity for totalitarianism is real soon.

We're just doing this for your own good. That's no good. Okay, well, I feel like, is there anything else we want people to know that pretty much sums it up? Well, I guess we could, you know, we could speak directly to Canadians for a moment. It's like, yeah, if you're watching and listening to this and you

want to do something about it. Well, write the Ontario College of Psychologists and let them know what you think. Write your member of parliament or your federally or your member of parliament provincially, if you live in Ontario, ask them what the hell is going on. And what they think about the fact that the regulatory boards in Canada now have final say even over the charter rights of Canadian professionals. Ask them what they think that means for the rights of the typical person.

Look, guys, who are watching and listening, and think about it for a minute. If the right to free speech and thought can be denied to me by my regulatory board and the courts, what bloody chance do you think you have? And then if that doesn't bother you enough, then ask yourself this, what chance do your children have? You know, and if you think I'm a crank and that I'm exaggerating this, well, fine. You're welcome to that opinion. You might even be right. I don't think so.

But you might be. And you can take your chances just like everyone else. But if you think I am right, you better think about it, because the news on the Canadian front is not good. This country is in serious trouble, way more than people think. And the most likely outcome is exactly, I think, the one I described. The Liberals will be turfed out temporarily. Pierre Pauliev will take the hit.

And certainly the establishment will do everything they possibly can to blame everything cataclysmic that Trudeau has been producing on Pollyov. That's obviously the best strategy. And then we'll have another Trudeau clone, some elitist intellectual, even though Trudeau is by no means an intellectual. He has all the pretensions of an intellectual. As in none of the intelligence or wisdom, a certain cunning, that's for sure, and no shortage of self-confidence,

will get another one like him. And then, then it'll be time to move to Arizona. Okay, well. Anything else, kiddo? any cautions on your part I Don't think so. I think we're set up pretty well. I mean be careful on Twitter or X. Yeah, I will I would be my caution Be careful on X. Yeah, but um, yeah, and and sleep and don't get too upset or angry because it's just well It's kind of out of your It's really you're really just along for the ride here You know that's kind of true of life in general

You know you're you're kind of swept along and you got to ask yourself what you want to be swept along by and I would say you want to be swept along by. And I would say, you want to be swept along by your relationship with God. And you want to be swept along by the truth. Because if you're swept along by falsehood and the Prince of Lies, you're being swept towards something so abysmal that the worst of your paranoid imagination would stretch itself beyond its capacity to imagine. So I'll say what I think, like I have for years, and I'll pay my price, whatever that is, and I'll reap my rewards, whatever those might be, and I have confidence in the, not only in the outcome, but even in the process, painful though it may be, you

know, at certain moments, I got lots of support, you know, and Tam and I are on the same page. That makes a big difference. And so same with you and Julie, and I've got lots of support. And we've been through, we've been through worse than this man by a lot. So and we get to see what happens, you know? It's not boring. That's for sure. It's not boring. Yep. Okay. Well, I think that wraps up that very nicely.

Thanks, Dad. Good luck with everything. Okay. Bye bye.