The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast - Wim Hof with Jordan and Mikhaila Peterson

Episode Date: December 6, 2020

Wim Hof is an absolute legend, holding twenty-six world records for performing unbelievable feats of human conditioning and breaking barriers that science did not believe possible. He sits down with Jordan and Mikhaila Peterson to discuss these incredible feats and discusses his unique conditioning methods, the idea of physically healing trauma through impacting DNA, and the science, philosophy, and practicality behind it all. Find more Wim Hof in his book The Wim Hof Method, and on his website wimhofmethod.comThanks to our sponsors:Thinkr.org - free trial. Visit www.thinkr.orgSkillshare.com - 2-week free trial. Visit www.skillshare.com/petersonGreenchef.com - $80 off and free shipping. Visit www.greenchef.com/jbp80-For Advertising Inquiries, visit https://www.advertisecast.com/TheJordanBPetersonPodcast

Welcome to season three episode 35 of the Jordan B Peterson podcast. I'm Michaela Peterson, Jordan's daughter. This is an interview podcast filmed recently November 2020 with Wim Hof. The video version of the podcast is available on my YouTube channel at Michaela Peterson videos, or you can just type in Wim Hof, Jordan Peterson, and that'll bring you right to the episode. I had Wim Hof on my podcast and dad co-hosting, but like usual, as in one other episode, I let him do most of the talking, so we're putting it up on both podcasts. I think this will be the format from now on for interview podcasts that are from my podcast. They'll all be available here and in video version on my YouTube channel. Wim Hof is absolutely incredible.

He's also known as the Iceman, but I'll leave his intro that Dad does in the actual episode. I had Zup, Dad mentions in the episode that he hasn't been feeling well, and I'm happy to tell you that he's feeling much better since this was filmed, so don't worry. I hope you enjoy this episode. If you do, please remember to hit subscribe for more.

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And without further ado, welcome to the WIMHOPH interview. All right. Hi, everybody. I'm Dr. Jordan B. Peterson and I'm the Caleb Peterson. And we have the great privilege today of speaking with who must be one of the world's most remarkable men, someone whose work I've followed for years, in astonishment, I would say. He doesn't seem real. And if you meet him, we've only met him briefly, he also doesn't seem real then, as well.

He's performed many remarkable feats that I would say would have been regarded as impossible before he did them. And so we're going to talk to him today about what those feats are and how he thinks he manages it. So you want to take it away, Michaela? Sure. So you have your method, your whim, off breathing method.

You talk a lot about cold therapy and meditation, and you've done things like injected, had endotoxin injected into you, and you haven't had a noticeable immune response. So, could we maybe start with, how did you get started with, say, the cold therapy that you teach? Yeah, and what have, and what have you done? I mean, to give with, say, the cold therapy that you teach? Yeah, and what have you done? I mean, to give the viewers and listeners some sense of your accomplishments, that way they can put your method into context by knowing what it's allowed you to do. I know you've run marathons in the Arctic and swam under the Arctic ice. But I'd like to let you discuss that.

Yes. For a long time, I was a seeker. But any seeker becomes a finder. I became a finder of a way where in I could feel, connect deeper. I was looking through philosophies and debating into what it is to feel deeper, to have a deeper understanding of myself. And that deeper understanding that came not through debating and philosophy, but it came like in a moment in an instant by going after I was attracted to go into cold water. I was not sure

why was it got feeling. Seeker became a finder there. I went at you to cold water. And instantly that brought me in a deeper physiological depth of myself. And it was like, this is it, feeling. Okay, so first of all, how old were you when that happened? And second, do you have any sense of what attracted you to the cold water? This is a gut feeling. A gut feeling got me to the cold water after debating for years and philosophies and trying out all kinds of stuff. Then in a certain moment, the gut takes over. the gut takes over. It's there and your gut tells what to do. But we mostly follow the thoughts

and what we think of things. Instead of following what we feel deeply inside, we get disconnected there from, alienated there from. But I followed that gut feeling. I went in and there is this 44 years ago, and since then, I every day went into the cold. In all the winters, you know, when Minneapolis and up there in the US, it's also cold in the wintertime. I went every day, outides swimming or walking through the snow barefoot. Sometimes I even could stay a whole night

in shorts, outside, in freezing temperatures just because I wanted to discover something that was not known knowing that was crazy according to the people and all that I took it on because I felt so good and nobody can say hey if you love somebody they can say it's not good for you that person you go so I went regardless of what they said. And that was for at least 25 years, until I met radio and television. And then boom, I went all over the world because apparently I had gone where nobody had gone before. That gut feeling let me into the depth of the physiology.

And now it shows, now it shows, after meeting the scientists and doing first 26 world records and so many more challenges outside in hostile a temperature environment like beyond the polar circle, run a full marathon in your shorts or swim record distances under the ice, just breath hold in shorts. Go Kilimanjaro, also bare chested in record times. Go a client-mount Everest through the death zone.

In short, I mean, that's the naked truth of our body. What do we do when we go to mount Everest? We have oxygen, we have closed 10 layers. That's not a challenge. If you want a challenge, something in your body which is connected to your brain. The neurology of the body, the vasculous system, it's in the brain. There is the steering wheel. If you want to change the mind and the perception and the consciousness, you got to

expose yourself to the hardships of nature and learn to control fear go past to get a control 100% of the brain capacity because we showed this now in the best of brain scans of the world Hanover one of the two best brain scans of the world we showed through these breathing techniques the driven from going into the cold, 44 years, fieldwork I did, breathing, what do you do when you go into the cold? You come alive in the depth, you nourish yourself with oxygen, with life force, and you learn how to do that. And then deeper mechanisms they become connected to your will's neurology. Last study I did I showed by inner brain skin having cold water coming up on my skin just by my thought. I could make the skin temperature not going down. That is a deep connection with the stress mechanisms in our brain. We live

in comfort zone behavior all the time, everywhere in the world. And then we ask why we have uncontrollable inflammation going on and we can't do anything. Because we never connected with a deep physiology. Nature does not want you to be sick or depressed because this is outside the functionality of nature. In nature, you should be happy, strong and healthy because you've got to be alert for the danger. There is no time to be depressed. There is no time to be in disease because you're going to be eaten. You're going to die because of the environmental stress factors and all. This is the way our physiology works. We alienated from that because

we think we are with our extension tools that we control nature. We do not even control our happiness, strength and health. We go to the moon. While here on the earth, we have all the stress. We got wars, we got pollution. We don't know what we do. Because we lost a connection with who we are in the depth. And this is what I've been doing up till now. I have pledged myself, when I was 12 years, I'm going to do something about this.

What I don't know, but I'm going to do something about this. Because is so much regulation, stench, and stress, abuse, and over with power and money. That is sick. And I'm gonna do something of how I did not know. But a 12 year old can be very strong. It starts somewhere and it builds up up neurologically, I invest it. It's called belief. But now it appears to be that we found, and I'm a drop out of school.

I'm no doctor. I teach doctors and I teach professors. I work with the best of them, like right now, and right now, the last composition I had with Dr. Kevin Tracey, who was in the board for the jury for Nobel Prize winners or medical in the medical area. He tested me in 2007, and he saw me influencing deeply into the Vegas nerve. And the Vegas nerve that is considered to be autonomy outside of our will, if you are able to control or influence deeply into the vagus nerve, you are able to bring down inflammation,

which is cause and effect of disease. We found the answers in nature. Can you describe in any way that would be comprehensible to someone who didn't know how to do it? How you manage such things as control over the Vegas nerve? Yes, the Vegas nerve and the autonomic nervous system, the immune system, and the endocrine system. All those where thought be out of our willful control. thought be out of our willful control. In 2014, I showed as the first one in medical science to be able to be injected and then have no symptoms with the E. coli bacteria, which

can be lethal. It's a strong bacteria. And it causes the cytokin storm. Psytokin storm is a flammatory mark is going berserk within our body because it doesn't know what's happening and everything is in our alarm and it can damage our system. That's a cytokin storm. That's COVID as well. Right. That's the damaging fact of COVID. And we could not do anything against that. And then they tested me. And I showed as the first one to be injected and have

no effects. And so what did you do after you were injected to stop two things? Okay. I did two things. to stop two things. Okay. I did two things. First of all, I used my mind, and I just explained what the mind is capable of. If it is connected to the stress mechanisms, our willful control, then you can give a neurosignal to the neurology

of the rest of the body, to do whatever is necessary to neutralize physical impact of any kind. That is the real connection we possibly all have. But I did that, Dan, I used my will and I used breathing. And this breathing technique apparently, it's an amazing technique, which is not knowing nowhere because I've found it out by going into cold water. In cold water, you are directly exposed

to deep stress, freezing water, deep stress. Are you body? What do you do? You don't think you do. You learn to regulate biochemistry by deep breathing. You jump into cold water, and then you breathe automatically, like you demonstrated. And then you've you've played with that breathing and learned what I learned that true deep breathing You I was able to prolong my stay into in cold water like tenfold How long did it take you how many months or years did it take you to develop? Only a couple of months a couple of months and I could stay I a couple months. A couple months. And I could stay. I also did my breathing exercises, and I could stay for five to seven minutes, breath, hold. That's another thing. It's not sports. It's just our capacity is

much more than we normally use. Right. Right. And you're making the, you're making the case that if we expose our still, our self to relatively extreme stressors that we become more integrated psychophysiologically. Yes. Exactly. Okay. So you, you, you went into cold water and then you practiced staying in there longer and longer. And you did that and you found that if you were able to, what, to voluntarily,

would you say, cooperate with that deep breathing that that enabled you to stay in longer and longer. Yes. Like 10 and what plays this ice water playing. And it was this gut instinct that drove you to, to experiment with this. it must have been extremely difficult. That that was surprisingly not there. No difficulty whatsoever. I was ready actually to go in. I had debated so much. It's like, oh, get the fuck the shut up. I want to I want to do something, you know, a moment like you want to, yeah, you are over with this minding about it all. You want to feel. And so when I went into the water, I felt great.

I'm having all sorts of trouble regulating my physiology for a variety of reasons. regulating my physiology for a variety of reasons. I'm very ill and I'm very interested in your accounts of Psychophysiological integration and immune It's it's it's I have a image it's damaged from medication neurological damage. I can't stop myself from moving. I am right now, it's willpower that's stopping it, but I have to move all the time uncontrollably. So, do this breathing technique because it works deeply on a reset of the neurology. What happens? I will show you.

Okay. First, I explain the working principle of this breathing technique is that we alkalize the body. We bring up the pH level so much like we spike it. We bring it to 7.8. Right, and that's a logarithmic scale. Yes, and that is not good, but it only spikes. It only spikes, and that activates the adrenal axis deeply. They found out that the adrenal axis is spiked because of the pH spike we give it to the body. You will experience it in this podcast. I will show you. Okay, well, can I can I do it along with you? Yes, yes, of course. And you two, you guys want to do it? Yes.

Yes. Tell me how you feel afterwards. OK. We just do one round. I recommend you do it, Jordan. You do it whenever you feel anxiety or deep neurological deficiency or whatever. Yes. OK, well, that means I should be doing it about two or three hundred times a day

I would say I think if you do this then it's like staying away along a longer and longer time But let's do it. Okay Okay, here we are relaxed Take a deep breath. All in and let it go. All in. Let it go. I will take the telephone, then see how long you've got to stay first around 90 seconds, one half minute, after the exhalation without air in the lungs for 90 seconds, no force. That is deeply into the neurology. You will see.

Just follow me and I will show you here on the timer that you do so and I will talk while and say what is happening because you feel it okay all right there we go this by the way this technique with this we change fundamentally medical science of our perspective of what we can do within our physiological depth against bacteria, virus, depression, neurological diseases, etc. But now you will experience. So I will show the camera the the numbers. Okay, I don't know if I can do no. So now you got it. Fulian. Let it go. Fulian. Let it go. Pulling. Let it go.

Keep on going. The mind goes with the breath. Don't mind about nothing else but your breath. The mind is a big player, so let it be with the breath. Pull in. Let it go. Pull in. Let it go. Pull in.

Let it go. Keep on going. Pull in. Let it go. Become light headed. Go on. Pull in. Let it go. Pull in. Let it go. Sixteen more. Pull in. Let it go. Pull in. Let it go, 13. Become lightheaded, loom in the body, don't mind, just go. It takes just a couple of minutes what we do to arrive at the deep impact on our physiology. Deeper than in science was thought possible. It's all here. Then after the feeling, because feeling is understanding, we can talk. Eight more. Just go. It's a workout. Seven.

Pull it. There you go. Pull it. There you go. Six more. Pull it. Pull your knee. Pull your knee. Pull your knee. Pull your knee. Pull your knee.

Pull your knee. Pull your knee. Pull your knee. Pull your knee. Pull your knee. Pull your knee. Pull your knee. Fully it. Let it go.

Now, there comes the last one. Fully it. Let it go. And stop after the exhalation. Close your mouth. No smuggling. Just witness. There is no need for breathing.

The carbon dioxide has been blown off. pH level is a really high. There is no trigger to breathe. Only the brain could reflux but don't. Just be in the peace. It's the parasympathetic nervous system. Deep peace, no need for breathing, just witness. You're deep into the physiology of your being, the way nature meant it to be, because you are right now in deep, deep stress, but you are

tranquil. It's a paradox. We are really deep into our physiology right now, no force, and you change your biochemistry. And now the adrenal axis is shooting out through all the body, reset the body. Any defect is being neutralized. Getting rid of. Ten seconds more. Nine. Six.

Three. Two. One. Fully in. Fully in. And hold. Fully in. Fully it. And hold.

Fully it. Hold. Squeeze the three ahead. Three, two, one. Let it go. There we are. God, I hated that. Yeah, sure. But this is the way, you know what you're hitting more? We are God. I hated that. Yeah.

But this is the way we, you know what you hit more? This neurological defect. Yes. And this is the way through deep stress activated consciously while being okay, because it's maybe altered because of the stress of the podcast and so did here. Did we hold our breath for 90 seconds? Yes, 90 seconds. You guys did 90 seconds here. It's all here.

I probably did 85 seconds and took a tiny little breath. Yeah, that's what happened to me too. This is round number one. Round number two, we would go two minutes. Round number three, two and a half, number four, three minutes of holding back exhale. The out-air interlongues, yes. You got to do this. Then you will see, how do you feel? Well, I'm not wandering around the room, uncontrollably moving and screaming. So,

room, uncontrollably moving and screaming. So, you know, that's better than three or four hours of my day. I'm still able to stay calm and sit here and talk to you. Exactly. That's an accomplishment. Now, you've got to go even deeper. And so in four rounds, you will be able to reach after exhalation, that is, that is an understanding principle. After exhalation means there is no air anymore in the lungs. And you exhale completely. Yeah, almost completely. Like I found, I found if you, if you exhale all the way and then you kind of bring your stomach up underneath your ribs. Yes. That helps. I got taught that earlier this year. It kind of helps. Prudabanda.

Yoga, that is the contraction. Udyana, Banda. It's all, you know, it's all knowledge. But this is all new. And that it is through science makes it trust worthy. It's data. It shows that we are activating the immune system through this deep stress, the adrenal axis suddenly spikes while you are in control. How many breaths did you have us take? About 30.

30. 30 breaths and then a minute and then and so with your with your your advice is to do the 30 breaths and the 90 minutes of breath holding. 90 seconds. 90 seconds of breath holding. Yes, around that and then what I advise is this, go without force. So whenever you really feel the urge to breathe, again, do it. Take him in. But I tell you, in four rounds, you should be able, if you just relax on that beautiful, it's a very nice couch, by the way. Thank you. So I like the golden and the cup of green.

Yes, well, she spent a lot of time picking this out. You just had it delivered, didn't you? Yeah, I bought it off a very elderly lady, but I love it. It's an end of love. It's a nice couch. And you love it. Not bad. Yeah, that's nice.

So if you lie on the couch or at home on the bed, you are even more relaxed than the tissue is able to open up more and receive even more oxygen. Then the pH levels, they go even way up more. And then it's easier to not breathe. What happens when you not breathe and your pH levels are actually okay. They are great. And there is no oxygen. Suddenly the oxygen drops dramatically. Nobody understands in the hospital because they saw this for the first time. That is where normal

people die. We go even lower. In doing just what we just did. Yes. If you do three minutes, you go lower than people who are dying. And so that's three minutes. Three minutes of breath holding. Yes. Exhaing.

After the axillation. That means that the oxygen after one and a half minute the oxygen drops dramatically and that means that in the brain stem The survival brain the survival triccus they come up with the adrenal axis hypothalamus epiphysis Pichotary glands and the adrenal glands Whom and then anything that should not be in the body is gotten rid of. Oh, I see. It's like a fixed weed.

Yeah, yeah. And one of the thing is the immune system. The immune system, white cells, the stem cells are activated. They're red cells, they're lymphocytes and neutrophils, they're T cells, the B cells, they are all activated. Because it wants to survive. It wants to get rid of what should not be there,

what is blocking. Right, so you're actually, most functionality. Right, you're actually indicating to your body that something wrong has happened. Now you come in, even a different thing is, the neuro-signal of your own will, your intention, will count at that moment.

It will execute what you have neuro-signally demanded to your body. That is the new size. I showed it in Detroit. You've got to look it up as a doctor. You can look into the paper. It's called brain over body. Psychology over physiology. It's new. They say and that's why it was interesting to also talk to you father. Thank you very much for having me on your podcast. Thank you. But the thing is the psychiatrist who tested me, they saw me activating robustly, a area of the brain thought of impossible by humans, which is the pary aqueductal grape. Oh, yes. Parts involved in pain and no cannabinoids

The opioids and the cannabinoids the end of cannabinoid system There's opioid crisis in the world. We found a way How to willfully Activate that area that that huge consequences another thing Those professors they say We found it this is the way they stated in the publication. We now have the compelling evidence of the key processes in the brain related to mood regulation. So if we have anxiety, depression, psychosis, then something is not working well. How to bring back balance? This one does it. They say this is a transformational technique that will change mental health care.

It's only a matter of time. And sorry that it is so easy. That is so simple. Well, it's, I didn't find it that simple to do. And it wasn't simple for you to discover. That is true. Took me 40 years. Could you tell us a little bit more about the relationship between this breathing technique and the cold therapy that you're

using? Yes, the cold therapy trains the cardiovascular system. Killer number one in society. What is it? Cardascular related diseases. Why? Because we were close all the time. We are never exposed to the elements of nature, to cold, to heat, to pressure. It's always neutral, neutral. It's like a muscle and you don't train it. It's there, but it is this. That is our vascular system. Our vascular system is hundreds, thousands kilometers long inside everybody. And the thermal receptors and the electromy receptors, they end up in our biggest organ of hours, which is the skin. We always got to cover it. Logically, we have a cardio vascular related at pandemic, pandemic going on for hundreds of years already.

And now I say, cold shower a day keeps the doctor away. Okay, so how cold and how long? It begins with 30 seconds. First, I explain. You know what happens when you go into a cold shower? You activate, you stimulate deeply the thermal receptors and the anti-pain receptor, pay receptor thermal receptors,

electrolreceptors, which is the neurology. All connected to the skin. They in turn they affect the vascular system, the cardiovascular system. Millions of little muscles suddenly are stimulated. They begin to optimize. Then the blood flow goes a lot better through the system. That is number one. That reaches a lot better ourselves with oxygen nutrients and vitamins. That's why cold shower gives you energy. Then the second thing, if you regularly, you begin with 30 seconds, then you do 45 seconds, one minute, one minute and a quarter, etc. You go up to two and a half minutes a day.

Why? Because that is the vascular fitness exercise the best. Then cardiovascular related diseases and that is also inflammation into the heart, inflammation into our neurology is goodbye. How simple, what happens that the heart rate, when all these little millions of little primitive muscles in the hundreds, a thousand of blood vessels inside are activated, optimized, then the heart rate suddenly doesn't need to compensate for the loss of the vascular condition, and then the heart rate suddenly doesn't need to compensate for the loss of the vascular condition, and then the heart rate will go down with 20 to 30 beats a minute,

24 hours a day. You see what kind of stress that would be? If you have a weak vascular system in tone, then it takes maybe years, maybe tenures, maybe 20, but it will take its toll. Because the heart rate, when it goes up, it triggers directly the liver to release cortisol and glucose. It's like you are in fight and flight.

Because the function of our accelerated heart rate is to pump glucose and adrenaline through our system, the fast as possible. But now there is a constant danger signal going on because of our weight. That's why cardiovascular related diseases are theoryous scolarosis. It logical, because the blood flow is not helped with these millions of little muscles who are weakened. They are not stimulated and then the heart rate needs to pump 20 to 30, a minute, 24 hours a day, day in, day out, day in, hey man, if it will take it so soon or later.

So, the people, they got to wake up, call shower, the best thing you can do for yourself is to call shower. How cool? Then just to call, turn them to call. That is creating distillimulation. You start with 30 seconds. Yes, it begins with 30 seconds, because I say,

don't force. Because you're, maybe 90% of the people go well. You guys, you will go well. Young woman, that goes well. No problem. Hey, if you have a condition, Annie, then it is because of the system, there is a defect going on. It will boost at that moment the system and it will go through a good job. That's why I say, safety first, 30 seconds to begin with. But within 10 days, anybody is able to do the same, to go to a two and a half minutes, no problem. Called chat. Within 10 days, within 10 days,

your cardiovascular system is improved so much the way nature matters to be. And the way nature matters to be is that the skin is, we have skin, we have electro receptors and thermal receptors and pain receptors all going to the skin to give us the information of what is going out inside in life. Would you recommend doing this in the morning or in the afternoon or the evening? Whenever you take the shower, okay, you take a nice and warm, et cetera. It's all nice, but then to also take the cold one. It's the best.

Okay. What they saw with a cold water, we just recently have done a new study on that. It really improves within 10 days the cardiovascular system, which is directly related to the neurology, by the way. The neurologic, the opening and closing of all those, the activating of those muscles to open and close all the veins, arteries and capillaries, I mean 100,000 kilometers It's done by the neurology the nervous system

So if any defect is there in the nervous system you will get to it through a cold shower increasing That is not last last Practical question maybe maybe the last one. Well, so the cold shower is 30 seconds and you can also use a warm shower afterwards if you want. Yes. Warm before. In beginning.

You should end with the cold shower. Yes. And then after 10 days, you like to begin with cold, which is better. Why? Because then your mind comes in to play. Because you know you are going into the cold. Then you connect with the stress mechanisms inside yourself.

You become stronger when you know you are facing danger, when you face, when you go to face a force, you set your mind to it. And that is what we lost in our society. It's always comfort, comfort, comfort, comfort. No, seek discomfort. Then discomfort becomes power. That's the point where you are learning. And there you get new power. You go past the conditioning. And it's amazing what the cold can teach us. This should be knowing by the whole world. Because now, let me tell you this, besides of the psychiatry, I'm working with the top researchers on the DNA right now. Next month, we have the results because they see this as hormisus, ormatic exercising that is acute

exposing yourself to stress. Just for a short term. Yes, yes. Part of the hero's term. And it works like a bloody vaccine but then once without side effects only the good thing, it optimizes our bodies directly, nature's got it all. So that is the cold and they are doing the study right now on the DNA and the pressure. The best top researchers in America on the DNA, they are doing this in San Francisco, you see as that professor, Elissa Epelle, might her. If you stress yourself, you can change how DNA creates proteins.

Exactly. In this case, and in this case, the cold shock and each of proteins, not only it goes even deeper. The telomeres are at work, the gene expression, the transcription factors, it's all at work. It's a big breakthrough, a new mapping as begun. They are going to investigate more. And now comes the next study is with Professor Kevin Tracey in New York. And I will do this study with Harvard professor, Stanford professor, and the biggest health provider and researcher of New York.

They already tested me the beginning of the discussion or the podcast. I said something about the Vegas nerve, which was uncontrolled. I already showed that in 2007, but then we didn't continue. I continued then with the Rattabout University in the Netherlands but then we didn't continue. I continued then with the RUBBOT University here in the Netherlands, and then we fundamentally changed science by showing that the autonomic nervous system, endocrine system, and immune system all can deeply be influenced at will by the human in a comparative study. This was unknown in the medical science.

It changed the perspective of what we can do against inflammation, which in the end is the cause and effect of say depression to cancer to anything. So I am now sorry, I got to finish this. I'm now with the latest study with Dr. Kevin Tracy again, the professor, the Nobel Prize's Julia Mann, and he is a great authority. We're going to do this with a couple of more professors of great universities to beat that what makes COVID-19 a laughing joke.

The information kills 60 to 70 million people only in the West already. And we found a way to beat inflammation, which was considered to be impossible by humans at will to control. But we showed in 2013 with equal life bacteria, first me, but then I said, no, everybody is able to do that. And I took a group of people, and after 16,000, 134 people, becoming sick with the same experimental model, then 12 people, suddenly 100% did not become sick.

And then they looked inside the blood and they saw them all influencing after a couple of days into the autonomous nervous system, in the immune system, specific immune system, and the endocrine system. All systems we could not

within a scientific paradigm control at will. And now yes. And now we are going to reproduce it because it's all natural. Because it's all natural doesn't get out. Because this is going on, power is going on. It's a sick society. We have to get back to our senses, independency, that is psychologically and physically. And that's why we podcasts like this, they showed away. Yeah, how do you integrate the breathing and the cold?

Do you do that at the same time? Can you do the breath holding in the cold? Yes, what I did in the cold, that was, I mean, when I got a group of motivated people and I bring them to my center in their Poland, not there, 100 people. Then after four days, even people without former experience in the cold, in four days, they day number four, they go in short for five hours on and in freezing temperatures. Man, women, regardless the age or even condition. What is that? That is a wiggling to a innate forgotten,, power which we are born with. And I found the way to awaken it within a couple of days. So how did you train them? What did you do? Yes, every day, you know, you start. First, you explain, hey guys, there is not only more than meets the eye. It's who we are and what we are, what we are going to experience.

How I don't know. This is the way I started. And now I found that I flabbergasted the foundations of science itself. I did so many records and I went on and on and on and on and on and on. And then I caught the eye of the scientists of the scientific world. What this man is doing is not possible according science, but he is doing it. Let's test on him. And then they tested me in several ways and they thought and they saw me doing things they considered to be impossible by science.

And that is that. And Paul, everybody is able to, this is the way I start with these people. First, I change their paradigm. Okay, okay. Right. So you're doing the same thing to us in this podcast. Yes. Exactly. And then, and then we go out and say, okay, now take your shoes off. Let's go and shorts out at the wrist snow.

That's all walk for say five, 10 minutes, bare foot in the snow. Just have fun, it's snow ball fight. Something like that. And everybody has fun. Nobody feels the cold anymore. And then it's an awakening because our thought, it's wrong, it's wrong. It's got to be wrong if you think it is wrong. But if you take it on playful and

that's what I do, then there is no thought. I make it ridiculous, this hostile force, this so negative overwhelming cold, primord cold, primordially, getting to us, that it is dangerous and all. I make it a laughing joke. And then you see everybody having fun. That's only in the night when they came to me after fatiguing travel from wherever they come. From Hawaii to Australia to New Zealand, to Japan to Russia. They all come there and

fatiguing traveling they feel renewed and they sleep like babies. That is the night number one and in the in the morning They are excited, but they also like, oh, what happened? I don't know, maybe I cannot believe what happened. Then I bump into the breathing. And then you hear the biggest yelling of releasing trauma. And I go to the ancestors and everything. Because I know how to open up the closed-up proteins. Because of traumatic pain. What do you mean that you go to the ancestors? What do you mean by that?

That is anything that is genetically encrypted in our gene expressions and closed-up is because of a genetic opus. Okay, so why do you, why do you specifically refer to that as the ancestors? What made you think that? Because we are the ancestors within our DNA. We carry every information of our ancestry, like 13, like possibly 100. And as long as it is not solved, it's still within us. Okay, I've just written a new book. And there's this, it's not out till March. There's a section in there, there's an old mythological idea

that the hero has to rescue his sleeping father from the abyss, from a terrible monster. And I construed that in the book as the ability to awaken sleeping ancestral forces, likely coded genetically, as a consequence of voluntary exposure to stress. Yes, that we come together, Jonah. This is what I do right now in San Francisco showing through bringing back the primal primordial condition of the cell to get it with the cold shock, heat shock proteins. What happens when you do it practically? Yes, yes. You do this. If you go regularly in the cold, then the activation of those cold shock proteins

will also eat shock, because it's the same thing. It's through the hypothalamus, and it works. Boom, we get connection, and then suddenly, you bring a protective shield around the cell. What happens inside, the war is over, guys. We can go into repair. And then you neurosickling, we talked about neurosickling,

I was able to bring a cold water under skin, skin temperature not going down. That is, how long can you do that for? How long can you maintain? As long as it takes, as long as it takes, that is the power of our mind, intention. It's a real undiscovered area of psychiatry, which I have discovered together with Professor Vibhav,

Diva Kar and Professor Otto Music in Detroit. Do you have to eat more because of that? No, no, absolutely not. It's the power of your intention. Your intention is able, this is a general universal principle of our mind, only not awakened. It was not discovered. The first time somebody ran the four miles in a certain incredible time, year later, 20 could do it. That's in the mind. So what we find is if we expose it to people, then they change their paradigm. And the paradigm, this is what they say,

we, Wimhav has found the secret of placebo. placebo is no longer just over there, it's now a controllable healing force, whenever you need it, it's the top-down-regulated inter-reception. It's within our will. That's the new science. That brings us back to the ancestry.

First, we brand make the cell protected by a shield, activating the called each of proteins. Then inside the cell you get a logically signal, hey there is no war anymore, energy is not needed to get information out of it, or to deal with information or oxidative stress. Oh, let's go into the close-up proteins of our ancestry. We can work it out now because now it's silent, now it's nice, now we've got the energy pieces here. This is a general principle of nature. When you wound it, you retract.

But if you are a war, you can even keep on shooting with a lack of shot. That's adrenaline. God is all. That mode is keeps on going. That's how it's society. That is all till wrong. There is no peace. There is no ability to retract normal. Work needs to be done daily. How do you say these, yeah, whatever. Work needs to be done all the time. It production. Okay, so your people in Poland, the first day you,

you have them go outside in the cold for a long period of time with, with no shoes on, for example, and they wake up the next day and you introduce them go outside in the cold for a long period of time with no shoes on, for example. And they wake up the next day and you introduce them to the breathing. If someone's doing this at home, like if I wanted to start this tomorrow, I'd get up and have a cold shower. And I would do that voluntarily as facing the stress. Okay. And then how would I do the breathing?

Would I do that after the shower? Would I do that after the shower? Would I do that in the afternoon? When would I do that? You do it whenever you are completely rested, like relaxed. Because the breathing will open up your physiology deeply. If you go into deep stress while being kind of okay, that is the breathing. The breathing exercises is a workout because the vesicle system is more activated than

somebody who's running. You see lately I did a research with paralyzed people. Amazing. I can't I can't do it when I'm relaxed because I'm never relaxed. Oh, but you can. You can. Maybe I can. You will directly intervene into into the neurological anxiety going on. Whatever is on the loose, you will be able to create a extra altered current within an electrical current, the nervous system, I mean. So does it, does it, does it able to, does it not matter when I do it then,

like I could do it? No, it does not matter. I mean, I'm going to have to do it with you. Anti-stomach. If you need me, I'm there or anytime. You can call me. We have a Zoom and we do it. But you don't need me. I like to talk with you because you've got a greater experience in words and contemplation and a lot of expertise. And I think we go inside a lot, like just now, about distress, the ancestry.

And all. That took me like 15 years to figure out, because I've read all these stories, their ancient stories, that first, the core element of the hero's journey, which is the proper journey through life, is voluntary confrontation with what is unknown and terrifying. That's the human way.

And one of the consequence of that is the rescuing of the dead father or the hurt father or the sleeping father. It's like it's a fundamental element of Egyptian mythology, for example, ancient Egyptian mythology. And it's part of the idea of the dying and resurrecting God. It's entangled up in that as well. And it wasn't until recently that I figured out that the consequence of voluntarily facing stress is the awakening of abilities within you that are part of our ancestral heritage.

And so that is how you become a living avatar of the great heroes of the past. But I never, it never occurred to me that that, that you could find high stress serves of a, of a, say, physical type. So close at hand, I never, I never really put that together. The idea that cold stress, for example, would be sufficient to start that process. What about heat stress? I've found saunas were actually useful for me. Fasting. Fasting.

Fasting. Fasting. Yeah. Not starving. All those were great. Fasting is for me, sis. Heat stresses for me, sis. And cold stress.

But the breathing. Really. These breathing techniques, let me compare, it has been compared in brain scan studies of people doing four hours of mindfulness a day for years. They could not get as deep as a person practicing this type of breathing exercises, going into the depth of the brain, they could not get into the depth of the brain even after years, four hours of mindfulness a day.

And what we did, we went deeper inside the brain than those people. So this, and that's in 30 breaths. Yes, this exercise, which began with going into the cold, it made me, that's the first thing, then you learn that through prolonged deep breathing, you learn to control the biochemistry insight to shake off the stress, which is the cold, and thus for a long time in cold water, you find it out, and it's all based on experience and sensation, and it works. Okay, then I began to disconnect the breathing from the call. Call I was still doing, et cetera, but then I did these breathing exercises at home

and they blew my mind. Anything that I had read in all the ancient scriptures, I saw plenty, oh, oh, oh, and deeper. And now I found that these breathing exercises are able to go where our paradigm of medical science taught off is impossible. And I'm showing this. Now, you are practicing conscious control over a semi-unconscious function when you're

exerting control over your breathing. And breathing is strange because it does occur unconsciously, but we can also modify it consciously. So it's right at the, what would you say, the border between consciousness and unconsciousness? Ah, interesting. Yeah, it's a good point, a good point, a good point of view. So we're moder, and we modulate our breathing voluntarily all the time when we're speaking. And so it's also associated with the voice.

Amazing. Yes. That is so. And then we saw in the brain scans in Germany in Hannover, one of the best two brain scans of the world. Doing this breathing, normally we have a willful control over 60% of our neural activity in our brain. And now they saw 100% neural activation within the brain,

done consciously because we were doing the breathing exercises. You'd recommend doing this just once a day. Yes. This opens up the subconscious part of our brain. We are able to access into our subconscious and it is only logical. We don't have a hump of meat to be not within our control, but we never are schooled therein. And then later in life we begin to become independent and then you get to the ancestry.

You get into the subconsciousness. You get on all that, which is outside of the system, which the natives had. They were saying, I bless your seven generations before and the seven generations. They knew all this intuitively. Then we Westerners came, we took over their land, we stole it everywhere in Africa, in Australia and America everywhere. We Europeans, that's me, the Dutch, we have that's slavery and all that and training and all that. And now comes to an end. I say, we gotta go back to our nativeness, make sense

and making the sense spiritually with two feet on the ground is liberating the captivated souls of our foref fathers, which is directly seen within the proteins, within our genes. And now we are there. And I've been talking to Nobel Prize winners on the DNA about this. I'm going to ask you two questions. I just want to clarify something.

So first, if I wanted to start this, I could start by 30-second cold shower and I could also start by the same day doing 30 breaths of the sort that you recommended. And that was just full exhale, full inhale, and did you hold it? Yeah, well, I got a free app on my website. It's very good. It says it all. All the signs is there.

Oh, oh, you can get you a track of your records and you do a timetables and everything. Okay. What's your website? This. Wim half is my name. Yeah. Wim half is my name. Yeah. Wim half method dot com.

Wim half method dot com. Yes. And that's where the art is available. You find the app while you better you better crank up the capacities of your website because we're going to crash it. Hey, I crash it. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. I mean it. With all the love, with all the love, because I respect you guys a lot. We are doing good work to the world.

We wanna stare up the world because it's, what is happening in the world and needs change. And change needs to come from you. From me, from me, we are here. The general regions are coming together. Yesterday, I went, my oldest son is 37, my youngest son is three years old. I got six children.

So I'm also in play gardens. And my son, it made me stop in Amsterdam in a little play garden somewhere I'd never been. Okay, there I was. And he wanted to play. I had to go around again because in Amsterdam you got to go on otherwise cars gonna push you. I had to go around again and there I found a place to stop and I went outside seven children were there in that playground. When I came to the playground six to 12 years they were the Wim Hofman, Wim Hofman. They noticed it. They are looking for something that really works. I'm a hero

because I did under the ice mountain Everest. I run marathons in the desert in the in the North Pole. I hang by one finger up in the air and wreckage 26 and this and that who up and I got the science but the children know they need a role model. And I'm real. I am about love. I'm about to take ownership of who I am and what I am. That is what I want to get my children and all the rest of the world.

And we should not hesitate therein. Your knowledge is great. Your efforts, like what you do right now, it's a great work. So keep on going with that. And let's have a podcast again because I like what you set on the Ancestry. On the Ancestry, this is my next. I'm going to write a next book or two. My book is doing great apparently. It's already in 21 languages, New York time bestseller, just a couple of weeks ago, and it keeps on going. What's your book's name, Wim? The Wim of Method.

That's right. Well, I would encourage all the viewers and listeners of this to pick that up. Yeah, for sure. Ah, good, good. Yes. And listen, viewers, we are going to change psychiatry because we think and we have proven within the science and in brain scans and in blood proof that we are able to control our inflammation and to regulate our mood. We own our own mind. We have found connections.

And now it's a matter of time. But if you are depressed or feeling bad and you cannot get out, just get into this. It comes from nature. It works. Beyond works. It's you. It's your life force. A waiting. Now it is a non-dogmatic choice. Because all the millions of data we got already, happiness, strength, and health. Happiness is the endocrine system, the health, that is the immune system, the strength that is energy, the metabolic processes in the cell. We got it all proven to be able to be improved,

but so far more than science was thought possible. Here we are, to be happy, strong and healthy, it's only logical. Wim, thank you so much for coming on. I was really excited to particularly connect you with my dad because he's been having such a hell of a time. And obviously, I'm a huge fan. So thank you so much for talking with us.

Yes, it was a real pleasure to meet you. It's an amazing respect I have for you guys and for your knowledge accumulated through your contemplations and you got a lovely daughter and intelligent, I got also two daughters. One is a psychologist and the other one is they are both out with me. But that's good. Well, thanks again.

Thanks again. I would very much like to talk to you again. Maybe maybe I'll try your method for a month and then we can talk again or even a couple of weeks and I can report on what it's done for me. Yeah, that's a good idea. I think this was a nice, a great beginning. Good. Very nice to meet you, Wim. Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you. Bye-bye. Bye. you