The Jordan Harbinger Show - 1001: Haiti | Out of the Loop

Episode Date: June 9, 2024

Haiti Policy House founder Wolf Pamphile is here to explain why, despite the country's ongoing crises, he remains optimistic about Haiti's future. Welcome to what we're calling our "Out of the Loop" episodes, where we dig a little deeper into fascinating current events that may only register as a blip on the media's news cycle and have conversations with the people who find themselves immersed in them. On This Episode of Out of the Loop, We Discuss: Haiti has a long history of instability, starting with its colonial past under France and Spain, followed by a devastating war for independence, and continuing with foreign interventions, dictatorships, natural disasters, and gang violence that have hindered its development. Foreign powers, including France, the United States, and the Dominican Republic, have played significant roles in Haiti's struggles — from the crippling debt imposed by France after independence to the US occupation in the early 20th century and the Dominican Republic's anti-Haitian policies. The 2010 earthquake was a devastating blow to Haiti, killing over 300,000 people and setting the country back decades in terms of infrastructure and development. This event, along with political instability, has contributed to the rise of powerful gangs that control much of the country. The current situation in Haiti is dire, with gangs controlling large parts of the capital, Port-au-Prince, and engaging in kidnappings, violence, and drug trafficking. The international community is attempting to intervene, with Kenya leading a police force to help stabilize the country, but the effectiveness of this intervention remains to be seen. Despite the challenges, there are reasons for optimism about Haiti's future. A new generation of Haitians, both in Haiti and abroad, are working toward a better future for their country. Political groups are coming together to find consensus on the way forward, and organizations like the Haiti Policy House are ensuring that Haitian voices are heard in discussions about the country's future. While the road ahead is difficult, with determination, unity, and international support, Haiti can overcome its challenges and build a brighter future for its people. And much more! Connect with Jordan on Twitter, on Instagram, and on YouTube. If you have something you'd like us to tackle here on an Out of the Loop episode, drop Jordan a line at [e-mail] and let him know! Full show notes and resources can be found here: jordanharbinger.com/1001 This Episode Is Brought To You By Our Fine Sponsors: jordanharbinger.com/deals Sign up for Six-Minute Networking — our free networking and relationship development mini course — at jordanharbinger.com/course! See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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I have been wanting to talk to y'all about Haiti and update you on what is going on there. And Haiti just seems like such an amazing place. There's a rich history. Of course, we never really hear anything good about Haiti, not in the news anyway. Don't get me wrong, this is not going to be a feel-good episode either, but we will dive into a brief history of Haiti. We'll discuss the roots of its current and past instability. Also, we'll touch on Haiti's neighbor, the Dominican Republic. you might know that place as the country where like half of New York is from.

Wolf and I started with some history of Haiti, including a brief history of Haiti as a colony, independence from France, then getting screwed over by one country after another. The recent Kenyan police force traveling to Haiti to take on the crazy gangs, supposedly, will also unpack the downfall of the most recent government where the president was assassinated in his own bedroom and explore the breakdown of rule of law in Haiti, take over by these terrifying gangs, and more. All right, let's get back in the loop on Haiti. with Wolf Pamphiel.

I think before we dive into Haiti, tell us a little bit about yourself, because I think one of the dangers I ran into was I was looking for a Haiti expert. And I found a lot of people that probably never lived in Haiti, probably haven't been there in a long time, might not have even ever been to Haiti. I kind of wanted to avoid that. And then when you came recommended, I was like, all right, this guy speaks with some authority. So tell us why. No, thank you.

Listen, I appreciate it because it. It is a thing. Whenever you see some Haiti experts on TV or radio, any podcast, it's some of the time it's like somebody who's not even Haitian or haven't been to Haiti in the past 30, 40 years. For me, I was born and raised in Haiti in a city called Cap Haitian, which is the north side of the island. And I left Haiti when I was 14. And my family and I moved to Brooklyn. I mean, it was right after the coup d'etat with President Jembert and Aristhin. Yeah. We would say Aristide. If people following along home that don't speak French. Aristide or Aristide as you might hear on YouTube, which is not correct.

You hear Aristide, Aristide, Aristide, Aristide, a lot of different ways. But Haitians, we just say Aristide. Right, because of the French. Yep. I got you. You moved to Brooklyn as one does, as many Haitians have done. Many Haitians, Brooklyn. If anybody is watching from Flatbridge, Brooklyn, lived there for 18 years, and then I moved to D.C. last year to launch Haiti policy house. What was it like growing up in Haiti back then because when I started researching Haiti, I was like, oh, this place hasn't been stable since, and I was like Czech's notes, 1750 or whatever. I mean, it's just been like one thing after another since before America was a country, basically. Okay, let's put it this way. There are different realities in Haiti, right? Different situations. If we're talking about Porto-Pr-Prince,

then there's always something happening. But the city that I grew up in, unless there's something catastrophic or something really a grievous happening, you won't really know that there are situations going on. Portal Prince, there's always some kind of like a protest or crimes. There's always some kind of high crime rate, almost like any other big city. And growing up in Haiti, went to school by myself since I was 10. When you say by yourself, you mean like walking to school alone? Yeah, walking to school by myself. Should I, the day I actually started going to school by myself, I escaped. I was waiting for the guy to come pick me up and I just took off. So ever since then my mom was like, oh, you know what? You survived. So let's keep you going. You escaped what,

the school bus basically? No, so they hired somebody to come take me and then take me to school. Oh, I see. And then as we were waiting, I told him like, I can't go. And she's like, no, just wait for him. You know, my father was like a freemason. So one of your brothers would come pick me up. So he's like, no, just wait for him. Brother Caesar's coming. And then I just look left. and right, look at the gate, and I just took off. I was running. And when I got to school, I was happy, next thing you know, my mother came in crying, the brother, she said came in crying. You know, it's like, where is he? They thought I got kidnapped. Right. But, you know, I'm 10. So in my head, I'm thinking, I'm in school. I'm fine.

Everything is okay. Oh, my, your poor mom. But that to say, things were safe. We didn't have to worry about kidnappings. Until like early 2000, like 2007, 2008, that's when kidnapping started coming around more popular. Okay. But we didn't have to worry about that growing up. It was just a, you know, peaceful time, relatively peaceful time. But we had a election prior to that. That's what I can remember. Right. The same month I was born was the month that they were overthrary St. So there was a lot of chaos going on. And then fast forward, he came back a couple of times. But we'll get there. We'll get there. Yeah, because you hear about kids going to school in Haiti. And I think I'd read something like, and this is again, Porto Prince, the Capitol, kids would have to go through

people's homes because everything's so packed in, it's so densely populated. They would walk through people's homes because if you went in the streets, it was dangerous with gangs or whatever. And so kids are talking about like people would just let school kids walk through their house, go into the neighbor's window, and then out the kitchen, and then into the next name. And that just like, that to me sounds like a war zone. I mean, I'll say that there is some level of exaggeration there. Okay. There are these neighbors that are densely populated. Yeah. And they have this layout called Kulwa. Kulwa means a hallway. So the houses, they're so close to each other. So the street you walk in or the path you're walking in is pretty much like a hallway, right? So when

they're still like somebody there, you can take the main road or you can go through the Kulois, which means like you're walking through, you mean, you could walk through somebody's house if they really wanted you to. But it's just very close. You can't touch both sides if you really wanted to. I see. Just like a hallway. That makes more sense than somebody. crawling through your kitchen to get to school. I think they were just trying to avoid main roads from the sound. And they say now it's even more unsafe and kids just stopped going to school in Port-au-Prince, which makes sense. Yeah. Let's back up a little bit because the brief history of Haiti would be well-placed here. Haiti starts as essentially a colony of France, correct?

Well, at first it was Spanish, and then France took it over from the Spanish because, you know, Christopher Columbus came in at first from Spain. And then France took it over. What they decided the French would have the side that is currently Haiti, and then the Spanish would have the side that is currently the immigrant republic, which is why one half speaks French, the other half speaks Spanish. And then right around 1790, there's rumbling of revolution. Toussaint-Varture came into the picture, De Saline, all these guys came up, and the next 14 years they fought the French for independence.

Like this was a horrific conflict. I read something like 200,000 people died, both French and Haitians. locals, I guess you would say natives, if you can use that word. And the French ultimately retreat, but 200,000 people. I mean, that is, that's horrific. Yeah, the French took a devastating blow, to be honest. They took a devastating blow. The Haitians really, because essentially, Haitians have lived on this island for no centuries. They know it back and forth. And the French never really got used to the territory. So Haiti is at the advantage. And when he came down to it, it was just a matter of who was willing to fight longer than the other. And if you put the possibility of freedom

as a goal or as a reward, then people are going to fight to the end to get to that. And I don't think France was ready to fight as long as it needed to to keep that fight. And it just that the Haitians wanted more than that. So. Yeah, the French had been what, taking slaves then from Africa and dropping them off in Haiti and essentially using it as agricultural colony? What were they producing their sugar cane and stuff? So Haiti, as they called it back in the day, was La Pelle desanti, which means the pearl of the Caribbean or the Antilles. And because it was one of the largest producers of coffee, sugar, and it was one of the largest producers for France and around the world, essentially,

right? That lasted all through the 1800s, even in the... early 1820s or so when Greece became independent, when they were finding for independence, they reached out to Haiti for support. And Haiti didn't have any money. So they sent them like 25 tons of coffee. Like, hey, we don't have any money, but we have a lot of coffee. So sell this, buy guns, get your independence. And that's how Greece was able to fight for their independence as well. So Haiti produced a lot of coffee, a lot of sugar cane, a lot of sugar in general. And that's what it was known for back in the days. That's amazing. The whole revolution there was quite really kind of gross.

There's a really good video on YouTube about Haiti from real life lore. We'll link to that and the show notes of people are interested, but it's a lot of deep history on Haiti and the Dominican Republic, actually. So this leads to the French indemnity. Can you tell us about that? Because that is sort of one of these turning points where you go, oh, they got free. Okay, dot, dot, dot. Everything should be more or less on the up and up after that.

It's like, we're going to shackle you for the next 200 years. And this is a bit of a, I guess, part of history that it was hard for people to understand because essentially friends saw Haitians or the slaves as properties. You know, if you lose a property, you want to be compensated for it. So what they wanted was when Haiti became free, they said that they wanted to be compensated for every single person that was free. So slave owners and their descendant, their kids, their spouses, we had to pay. them for the property that they lost. Wow. And it was called the Haiti debt. And if you look

up in the Haiti debt, it even comes up in the stories like Contra Monte Cristo when they're talking about the Haiti debt that they were benefiting from and they were looking forward to getting back. And that really shackled Haiti. It took Haiti about 122 years to pay that back. So from 1804, 122 years later, it's like what? Early 1900s? Yeah. Like World War I was, you know, getting ready to start when Haiti finished paying that debt off. Yeah. And so you think about 122 years of not making any progress and having to pay friends back. And as soon as you're about to start again, something else comes up.

And one of the ways, I found this quite interesting, if you look at the island of Hispaniola, which is where Haiti is, on one side in the Dominican Republic on the other side, if you look at that from space, like a satellite photo, Haiti has basically no trees. And I mean, relatively speaking, the DR is just like this really well-fold. forested area. I don't know what's on the border, maybe some towns, but there's tons and tons of trees. And I wondered why that happened. I thought maybe y'all built a ton of buildings out of wood, but it turns out that Haitians cut all the trees down because they paid part of the debt to France

in timber, and they cut almost all the trees down in the whole country over that 122-year period. It's really kind of horrific, actually. Yeah. So things kind of spirals, right? You can only produce so much coffee. If you only produce so much sugar cane. And then second, that you're paying that debt off while trying to build a country, building schools, hospitals, roads, everything else. And at the same time, when the same timber that you're selling off, you're giving to friends, you're also using it to cook. Because back then, we didn't have any, you know, gas or electricity, things like that. So even when the debt was done, until this day, we're still using, to some extent, people are still using wood or charcoal to make charcoal to cook with. I mean, I've used them when I lived in Haiti to cook.

So it's one of those, I guess, lack of technology that's really bringing the country down in a way that is destroying the environment. Some sections of Haiti do have large vegetation, but on a macro level, compared to the Democrat Republic, it's not the same level. There have been programs to reforestation, to plant trees, but it's just been very sporadic. So it has a It's hard to replace 100 years of deforestation in a short period of time when there's also instability because it's not like even after that debt was paid off, which by the way, that wasn't just paid to France. I started looking at the city bank ended up, which is an American bank, ended up with this debt due to, I don't know, the way the banks do things, buying stuff,

moving stuff around. So the U.S. is complicit here too. This is in the early 1900s. Exactly. And then the U.S. invaded Haiti in 1950s, actually invaded the Dominican Republic in 1916. So basically invaded the whole island. I'm not totally sure why that happened. Maybe you can tell me. So essentially, Haiti saw a wave of early migrants to Haiti, right, from different parts of the world. We're talking about migrants from the Middle East, migrants from Europe. And when they arrived to Haiti, they started building businesses. And that's something you can look up in the New York Times. You'll see the U.S. occupied Haiti in 1915. And the years leading to that, you saw business owners, who were American citizens were asking the U.S. to intervene in Haiti because they were facing

unfriendly or disaventious business practices, things that were affecting their businesses. So right around that time, like in the 1915, the U.S. came in and then with the monodictrine, and they did not want any European countries to come into the region to do any administration for any countries like Spain or France to come back to do any of that. Right. Okay. Yeah. So the Monroe doctrine was kind of like, why are all these European powers building colonies

right near us? We should probably sort of not do the same thing, but at least keep them out of our backyard. That was the Monroe Doctrine, if memory serves. Okay. So the U.S. came in, and the first thing they did was they went to the treasury in Haiti, and then they loaded all the gold. That wasn't a treasury. And within a few days, that goal was in the federal building.

in New York City, Wall Street. And that was never paid back. Wow. So we just looted Haiti. So imagine, Haiti finished paying that debt in the early 1900, like a few years before that. Then at 1915, right when they were about to start again, the U.S. came in and then took all that. Jeez.

So it never really got the chance to even get started. This is like every time Haiti got off the ground and onto one knee, somebody came by and kicked y'all down again over and over for. centuries. Like, I'm not usually a blame foreign powers for your country, not developing. Like, I am, and I'm very much like, oh, America bad. We get it. We're the bad. But Haiti's one of those examples where it's like the whole freaking world has ganged up on Haiti at one point or another and taken a shot at it. It's really, really unfortunate. There's almost nobody who's gone through that in the Western Hemisphere quite like y'all. It's really something.

And when you really think about it, the question is why, right? And the Y is, I mean, the U.S. is the oldest country in the Western Hemisphere in Haiti's second. The U.S. was free in 76. And a couple of years later, Haiti was free in 1804. So there's no other countries can say that. And the second oldest country after the U.S. is also a black nation. So, and you have rebellions sort of popping up in the U.S., like the Nattunner Rebellion and Latin America. So there was a clear message to make sure that this country does not become like,

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You'll be in smart company where you belong. You can find the course at six-minute networking.com. All right. Now, back to out of the loop on Haiti with Wolf Pemfield. Because it would be scary if every place that had brought in slaves from Africa suddenly had an uprising and then became independent and successful. So there was almost a vested interest in making sure it looks like a terrible place to live or it is a terrible place to live because that wasn't the end of it. I mean,

it looks like, and we'll get on to modern stuff here in a second, but Haiti had brutal dictators. So there was a police state essentially until 1986. This is like some Cold War shit, right? This is police state until 1986. There was a coup that ended that or it could very will still be a police state that was pro-US anti-communist. They killed like 60,000 people with secret police, basically anybody who looked like they might want something that's not an authoritarian regime. Yep.

And it was just like father passed it down to his son. I mean, this is like not a place that you would want to live in in the 80s, from the 50s to the 80s. In the 50s, the DeValle regime came into power with Fosrois de Valle. And he was known at Papa Doc. So a lot of people would know that named Papa Doc, Baby Doc, father and son. And there are a lot of Netflix series about him as well. And essentially, he came into power because he stayed in power.

Because right around the Cold War, the U.S. needed some kind of dictator or leader that could counteract Russia and communism. And as many people as he killed, no one ever really went against him because he was fulfilling that need for the U.S. he changed the Constitution to become president for life. And then right after he passed away, his son came into power, also president for life. And that went on for over 20 years. And in the late 80s, there was a big coup. And the Makut, which were you talking about the private police, they called him the Toto Makut. They essentially were part of the army.

Well, there was the army, but at the same time, the Makut was essentially responding directly to the president. So it was like a presidential guard situation. Exactly. But it were like very, very, it started in the rural areas. So he empowered the rural area saying like, hey, take whatever it's yours. You will not empower. They've been holding you down for so long. Now it's your time to rise. Here are guns, machetes and everything. Rule for me, protect me. I would be your champion. And that's how the Makut thing spiraled and it become this whole massive maligned power going on around Haiti. Okay. So you said you speak French, but it's not quite the same as French in France, correct?

Well, no. So Haiti has two official languages. There is the Haitian Creole, and then there's French. French, just like the language in France, it's the same thing. That's what we learn in school. We also learn Creole in school. But I would say about, I mean, I'm ballparking here,

but I would say roughly 70% of population doesn't fluently speak French. Okay. Wow. However, it is a lot of. language, what they call it, the language of business. Okay. So when you go to a bank, when you're having a business deal, when you meeting someone like a dinner or something like that, they most likely are going to speak French. However, the same person that's speaking Creole, who's you buying food from in the street,

is not going to understand French. And vice versa, somebody who speaks French, I mean, if you're born in Haiti, you could understand, but somebody who's coming from France to Haiti is not going to understand Creole. That also creates an issue because if every day when I go home, I'm speaking English or I'm speaking Creole, but when I get to school, now day one, I have to learn in French. I've never spoken to French a day in my life, but I have to learn what is a table, why is this and what is that? And then I've started to think in French. And now that kid, it's already out of disadvantage from day one. And Creole is a mix of languages. You have Spanish, you have English, you have African languages.

And essentially that's what it creole is. There are multiple different types of creole. There's a Louisiana creole. There's a creole in different countries. But in Haiti, specifically the Haitian creole is what Haiti has. Yeah, it's fascinating. It's such an interesting language because, yeah, it is kind of like this mix of various languages. There's no way.

I mean, it would be really hard to study that unless you lived in that particular place. It would be very tricky, I think, to pick up. Certainly not standardized. So Dominican Republic, right next door, I mean, same island, border pretty open until recently. This is a complicated relationship, too, right? Because I know that many Haitians have died at the hands of Dominicans and vice versa over the last few hundred years. Yeah. So the relationship with Haiti and the Green Republic is very complicated.

But it's also, it's simple, but also very complicated in the sense, right? you have this island where we share a border with the immigrant public, a lot of trade during the day, a lot of money go back and forth between the two countries. However, the Dominican Republic has a lot of policies that are entire Haitian, not just some policy may be passed, they'd be like, oh, this is anti-human rights or anti-specific women or things like that or LGBTQ, but some policies are specifically anti-Hasian. Like, for instance, in the 2010s, the Republican Republic passed a law that said, let's say you were born in the the Democratic Republic, right? But your parents or your grandparents were moved to the Dominican Republic illegally. It doesn't matter if they moved there 50 years ago and you now currently 60 years old or however old you are, you're automatically no longer a citizen of that country. Wow. But these are people who build their entire lives. Right. Maybe they never even been to Haiti. Exactly. If they were born in the DR. Exactly. So now, and that doesn't mean you can take your wealth with you either.

Right. Whatever you've built, businesses, homes, you have to leave all of that. And now they're currently most likely owned or taken over by the Dominican Republic government. And back in the days, you know, there was an issue with in the 1940s where the massacre happened between the Dominican Republic and Haiti. What the issue was the Dominican through Rio, the Mexican president through Rio, they didn't like that the population of the current public was getting darker, skin tone,

essentially. And they went as far to say that they're going to cleanse the country. Yikes. That's some Nazi sound and stuff right there. Yeah, essentially. So back in the days, the Dominican Republic had, I mean, I'm sure I'm going to catch a flag from Dominican bots for saying this. I'm the one who's going to catch the flag. They won't know how to reach you probably. They're going to come after me. Don't worry about it. But essentially, there was some very close ties with the Nazi regime because they have similar ideas by keeping the population pure, keeping it white, keeping it

non-black, non-Hasian, essentially. And then at the end, 15,000 Asians died from a genocide that happened from the Deney Republic. Tell me why the Dominican Republic is white and Haiti is black because, look, I'm just an outsider.

I know that black people live in Haiti. Okay, that I get. I've got friends from the DR. I mean, they look all kinds of different. I mean, some of them look black, Some of them look straight up Hispanic. Some of them look Indian. Some of them I can't put my finger on.

It's just a big mix. White, though? I don't know, man. They don't look. Nobody's as pasty as me down there. So it's, you know, if we go back a little bit, right, in terms of colonization with friends and Spain, the two have different policies in terms of how they interacted with the natives or the slaves who came into the country, right?

Friends saw it as were separate and were never going to mix. Sure. there were still mulatto, some people had relationships with slaves and they had kids. But on paper, you are not going to mix with somebody who's black. And that's how it was. So, fast forward to today, 95% of Haitians, 95% of population in Haiti is black. Now, with the Dominican Republic, Spain had a different policy. For Spain, they saw it as we're going to cleanse. We're going to give you all whiteness. We're going to give you, we're going to give you, We're going to give you civilization in a sense, right?

And we're going to cleanse you. So that's why on the other side of the island, even people who are darker, you can still sell kind of like a Southeast Asian or like a darker tone that's not exactly like West African tone. And that's essentially how it happened because they were the Spanish intermingled with the natives and also the Africans that were living there. And that's how the skin tone became very different. So, France, again, had different, very, very different policies in terms of, like, race mix it, essentially. Gotcha. Then later on, a century or two later, the DR says, hey, look, there's too many Haitians here. We're getting too dark. And then that's what kicked off this sort of, I guess, genocide of Haitians living in the Dominican Republic. I know Haiti did invade the DR. I think that was a long time before that, though, in the early 1900s. And that was also kind of brutal. And I think that was kind of the idea like, hey, if we invade this other half of Hispaniola, we can use them to help pay this debt to France. I think that was part of the idea there, too. Yeah, there are multiple different scenarios around that.

Part of it said DR had slavery at some point, and then they wanted to go back to free the slaves or abolish slavery. Another part says strategically, to prevent any incoming attack to Haiti because France was still looming around, they needed to take over the other side of the island to protect themselves, to know what's what was happening. And there are many ways to look at it. I mean, historically, it's not clear as to where. why that happened, but there are multiple plausible reasons as to why it went down. It could be for the debt, it could be strategically to defend Haiti, or it could be to abolish slavery on the entire island as well. I see. That makes sense. The Dominican Republic now, I think, is five to eight times wealthier than Haiti. I looked up some stats. Haiti, 58% of people live on $3 a day,

or less than $3 a day, I should say. Access to water and electricity is more in line with what you might see in Africa in a place like Uganda. And this is sad because I know now the Dominican Republic is building a wall between these two, right? Because it's just a big land border, right? Or is there a river or something there, but it's pretty easy to get across from one to the other, correct? Yeah. So the river in between Haiti and Dominican Republic is called the Massacre River, which is where the genocide happened. Wow. And there is a wall that's been, well, partly built recently. And honestly, downhole was pretty much like rhetoric for elections. because it all started after Trump mentioned that he was going to build a wall in Mexico,

like build a wall, build a wall. And then Dominican politicians took up the same idea. And it started, you know, nationalizing, rallying people up. Say, we went to build a wall to keep the Haitians out, to keep the bad Haitians out, right? And economically, the Dominican Republic is way further ahead than Haiti. From a democracy standpoint, they have multiple elections back to back, no issues. But they haven't had the same issues that Haiti had. They've had to fight for their own freedom in a sense, and they also had to deal with some dictatorships as well.

But it wasn't in a way that it was intentional against them to prevent them from growing. And even now, the DR benefits widely from partnerships with Spain, the U.S. It's a major security partner with the U.S. And also the war against drugs plays a big role into that part, which creates a space for foreign investment. Democrat Republic, where Haiti doesn't really have that. Right, yeah, Haiti's been too unstable to get foreign investment. Nobody wants to invest in a place that has tons of coups. I mean, actually, dictatorships are pretty good for foreign investment because they're

really stable. Well, until they're not. Until they're not. Until they're not. But like Haiti's had coup dictator, coup, dictator, coup, dictator comes back from before. Like, that's a bit much and it becomes hard to invest. But building a wall, I mean, that's kind of a sad deal. You're almost going to have a DMZ like North and South Korea being built in 2024.

And you'd like to think we're over this nonsense? Or do you think the wall is just never going to happen? It's going to be like an election. It's going to be a bunch of concrete. No, I mean, they started the wall. To me, it's a propaganda. Okay. Propaganda operation going on.

Just because, I mean, even recently, the last election that happened a few weeks ago, the issue with Haitians was used as a way to rally. votes. Whoever can go to, like the toughest against Haitians usually would win. And the current president was re-elected. And his stance was, we're going to deport every single Haitian. But the thing is, what most people don't know is that the whole deportation process is a racket, in a way. If you're a Haitian person, whether or not you have your papers or not, we catch you in the street, we just take you, we deport you. And then the same agent who's deporting you now charges you a thousand bucks to come back in.

And now they know you can get a thousand bucks. They must have going to take you again to deport you and then bring you back. So it's the whole racket that's happening at the moment. And at the same time, sure, there are Haitians in the demographic that are illegal. But for the majority of the time, it's most people have visas and it's just a matter of like intimidation. A lot of Haitians right now are saying that they want to go back. They want to leave the Republic because it becomes a place where if you have a business,

and somebody just comes in and then robs you, you can't go to the police because you're not respected. They're not going to listen to you. Huh. That's horrific. All right, so let's get more modern on the Haitian side here. A couple of years ago,

I heard that the president of Haiti was assassinated. And it was almost, I mean, it was quite dramatic. It was almost par for the course for Haiti, but tell us what happened here because it's still kind of an unsolved mystery, I think, at least according to news sources. I assume you have a good idea, whom you think probably did it. But I'm curious. What went down with this?

So the President Mouis came into power. He had an election. Not very popular. I mean, didn't have a huge turnout, but he still won the election. He campaigned on a sense. It was called the kind of like the plaintiffing. They called him the neck bunon, which meant the guy who's going to plant, like repopulate banana trees all around Haiti to feed people. And that's the campaign that he ran on. And when he came into power, power, he pretty much took money, like a corruption kind of way. He took money from the government. He took money from people that he wasn't in the same party with.

However, once he came in, he kind of like, hey, I'm going to flip now. I'm going to be good. I'm going to report you guys. I'm going to shut down crime. I'm going to fight corruption. They're like, well, that's not what we give you the money for. And fast forward, you would see he had a huge amount of protesting. He went after the private sector, which didn't go very well.

And fast forward, you have this doctor in Florida who has this idea to take over the country. A doctor in Florida? Is he a Haitian guy that lives in Florida? He's a Haitian doctor in Florida. Okay. Haitian American doctor in Florida. And he had this idea to, he's going to get a few mercenaries, flying to Haiti, arrest the president, and then take over power. Wow.

And then that plan slowly turned into what? Well, we're going to go into Haiti, arrest them, but we know we're going to kill him. Wow, taking Florida man to a whole new level. That's crazy. Exactly. Exactly. And so what they did was they reached out to somebody who had connections in Columbia, and they recruited a few dozen mercenaries. And they went to Haiti. Well, they flew to the Dominican Republic. They stayed there for a couple of weeks. And then they went into Haiti. And a lot of money went into this mission. To this day, they still can't find, well, not can't, but they still won't disclose where the money went because they had new cars that were bought in Haiti. They had new weapons, new equipment. Now, there's a security firm in Florida that also provided money to fund this operation.

A lot of them were arrested already or have been convicted for life for multiple decades. And the night of, they show up to the president's house and said that they are DA agents here to arrest the president for. for drug offenses. And the police not knowing what's happening, the security guard, not knowing what's happening. And there's also belief that the president's private security or security guards were part of it too, because out of all the people who were there, the president is the only one who got hurt. Oh.

And who got killed. Right. I'll take that back. His wife got shot. Yeah, that counts. His wife got shot, but he's the only who died. And he was tortured before he died. They broke his arms.

They broke his skull. They gouged an eye out. It wasn't like a just show up and they just shot him like point blank. He actually suffered. And they went into his room looking for a list. So he was putting together a list of drug dealers in Haiti that he was going to report to the DEA. And they went into the house looking for that list. And I mean, his wife speaks about this.

She says when they went to the room, they were looking for a list. When they found it, they called. someone to confirm. He's like, hey, look, we have the list. He's dead. Mission accomplished. And they left. And on their way out, that's when all helped broke loose. Honestly, while he wasn't a popular president, a lot of people from the unpoverished neighborhood really liked him because he's from that neighborhood. He's from those. He spoke their language. They adore him in a way. And on top of that, you are a foreigner coming into a country to kill our president. Yeah. It didn't go well for them. Well, most of them were captured. Some of them got away, but essentially they were all

captured. Wow. That is a huge. And there's this sort of ongoing investigation, but nobody's really talking about it for whatever reason. Yeah. There's some suspicious circumstances around it. Like the prime minister was a sign and then this happens days later. Yeah, that's the thing too, because the person who was leading this operation to kill the president called the prime minister. Well, he wasn't prime minister at the time, but called him before and after the incident happened. And he's still not arrested. There's still no evidence as far as like to say what exactly they talked about. But it is a pretty high suspicion to say that this person who just did this called you right after this happened.

What are you talking about? What was the conversation? Yeah, that's us. So there's still a lot of mystery around this. I still believe that there are more people out there who are responsible for this. But he did not have a lot of friends. He didn't have a lot of people to look out for him. Again, even people to closest to him also turned on him as well.

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A lot of people probably heard about in 2010, there was this massive earthquake that also created a power vacuum in chaos. Do you remember the damage on that? I mean, I don't have figures for this, but I just remember hearing about how massive and horrific it was. Yeah, it was a horrible day. It was a horrible day because in the blink of an eye, over 300,000 people died. And, I mean, not to count people who died after from complications and injuries and things like that. Right. 300,000 people. I mean, almost half of the Haiti's population resides in Port-au-Prince. which makes it an island of 11 million people, and I'll say about 40 to 50 percent of them lived in Puerto Bruns.

Wow. It's packed. And they're not properly built. And this lack of infrastructure, lack of laws to prevent people from building a certain way. Building codes. People are more conscious of that now because they see the devastation that can come from an earthquake. But still, back then, it was just nothing that we've ever thought of. You know, we've had hurricanes, we've had all types of things, but earthquake was something that never in a million years thought about. But, yeah, it killed a lot of people. It set Haiti back, I think, like decades from that devastation.

I heard a lot of kids were orphaned and essentially, like, sold to people or taken away from people because they were just left without parents. I mean, it's just like a really super horrifying situation. I think run around that. I can't say that for sure that a lot of kids were sold or things like that because I don't have the facts. But what I can say is that there are people who are arrested right around that time because they served as a vulnerable time to go in and then abduct kids from Haiti. And there were people who went in saying that they went to adopt kids and then essentially they were just trying to take them to traffic them. Yeah.

So there were actual arrest around that. Yeah. But as far as like selling or anything like that, it just wasn't as clear, but I do know there were people arrested for child trafficking. Child trafficking. Yeah, that's what I heard. I guess I just assumed that trafficking involves selling them, but you're right. I guess there's a distinction there.

Okay. So let's talk about the gang warfare because I hear that there's like roadblocks and checkpoints so that goods can't go from the port to cities. You hear about all these kidnappings, like they'll grab 19 missionaries or whatever and try and hold them for ransom. Why are the gangs in charge? What happened here? So back in when Ari Cid came into power, he pretty much rallied the gangs to support him, right?

And he provided weapons to a lot of the inner cities, provided weapons, money, as his, quote, unquote, army in a way, similar to what the diviades did with the Makuts. And fast forward, now, when he left, that method became a blueprint for both politicians that followed him. and also the economic sector, like the private sector. And essentially the gangs, similar to what's happening in Africa or around the world where there's like proxy wars happening, the gangs became proxy armies where they were fighting for people. If I'm a senator and I have XYZ plan, I just say, hey, they send weapons, go against this other gang who support that senator. Wow. Or if I have a business and let's say I'm in bottling business and there's a new competition on the market that potentially could put me out of business, say, hey, go put this guy

to business, burn his trucks, burn everything, prevent him from selling anything and support me. So now we have two camps that are flying in weapons to support these gangs. And it's how we have this monstrous issue now where they're all now self-sufficient in a way. That's crazy. I thought the gangs just arose on their own. of desperation, I didn't realize politicians and business people were actually funding them and arming them to wield them against their competitors. That's a really bad idea. I mean, actually, right now, there are dozens of business wealthy billionaires in Haiti who were sanctioned by Canada,

the United Kingdom, the U.S., for that specific thing. Those sanctions started happening in 2022, right when things started spiraling. And it's a known fact to see countries actually implementing sanctions against people, against former senators, against current senators, against politician and also wealthy business owners. You would like, oh, why this person who's worth billion being sanctioned by Canada for human rights issues? Yeah. And then when you really dig deeper, that's essentially if you're providing weapons and drugs to these gangs and they're killing people, but your business is profiting, you know, essentially that's how we got here. So it seems like some of these folks have lost control of these gangs because they're not just fighting the bottling company or the rival senator,

right? They're kidnapping missionaries. There's a guy they call barbecue. I assume it's not because he makes great chicken. Tell me about this guy. Barbecue is a former police officer and he was fired after a massacre that happened in a small neighborhood called La Sallein where 70 people died, around 70 people died, and he was one of the lead police officers that oversaw this operation. And he was fired, and essentially he started the gang called, I'm not sure how to say the English, but he started that gang. And then fast forward, he rallied all of them together. And barbecue got his name from burning houses and burning people, quote unquote, making barbecue out of them. And that's pretty much how, you know, he got his fame.

He's not really eating them, is he? Or is that part of it? I don't know. You don't know? I don't know. Honestly, it's all a fear. They speak about that. Because, you know, that's the worst thing that could possibly happen to a human, right? One of the worst that could possibly happen.

So they use that as like a fear tactic to scare people. But I don't believe that they actually eat people. But I think it's just called G9, right? Isn't that GNIF? Just G9, yes. G9. Yeah. So G9.

There's G9 and then there's GEP. They used to fight against each other, but now they're all friends. Crazy. And thousands of people are getting killed in this gang warfare. recently there was a missionary and I think his wife, and they were young and they grew up, I think, in Haiti, or at least he did, and they were killed outside of a church and just what looks like a random robbery. So these gangs are not, it's not like they're under the control of the person who's funding and arming them and they just sit around waiting for

orders. They cause pure chaos in the meantime, yeah? Well, right now, I mean, the gangs are on their own, essentially. I see. Right? Whatever was started by politicians or business elites, it's no longer that. It's kind of spiraled into its own thing and where the gangs have their own operations. They have their own drug trafficking routes from Latin America into Haiti that they're monitoring, gun trafficking routes,

human trafficking as well. And the one thing that's bubbling under the surface is like the black market organs that are being sold from Haiti. Wow. And you see people go missing, they show up with missing body parts. It's a little, it's scary.

But they have their own ways of generating income and they also do a lot of kidnapping where somebody, like the missionaries that we're talking about that were held by Vite Lal Minosar and he's on the top 10 for the FBI at the moment

and he recently did a interview with CNN where he showed his house This most wanted guy did an interview with CNN? Yeah. Wow. They drove to his house, he showed them around the neighborhood and there he is on CNN

giving up an interview. But the thing is, Vite Long, which makes him even more of a daring individual or even crazy because he controls the same neighborhood that the U.S. embassy is in. Even recently, I mean, the two young missionaries that died a few weeks ago in Haiti, there were like early 20s. Yeah.

They died. He pretty much helped negotiate to get them back because he's that guy. Wow. And it's in a sense that you can't really maneuver without in a way negotiating with them. but I mean, I'm very interested to see how this will end, to be honest with you. Because this can be a way where the gangs, you know, you force to negotiate with gangs or in a way trying to live life with them as like a norm. And I would say most Haitians are looking forward to this chapter ending.

What is the path out of this? Because a lot of people have opted to emigrate, right? They go to Colombia or they go to the Dominican Republic first and foremost, right? Because it's on the same island. They emigrate, they go to Colombia. A lot of people go from Colombia and then through the Dary and gap and through Panama, up through Mexico and into the United States. Or if they can get access to a boat, they just try to go to Florida or wherever as well and you get to the United States. But for those who aren't, I mean, the whole country can't leave.

Now they got this Kenyan police force coming in. What's the deal with this? Because I think a lot of people haven't heard about this. And also, do you think it's going to work? I mean, in a situation where there's only there weren't that many options. So we're getting rip, right? So in March, the former prime minister went to Kenya to sign that same agreement with the Kenyan police and the Kenyan president. And on his way back to Haiti, the gangs locked them out. They said the airport is closed. The ports are closed. You're not coming back. And he was forced to resign from that. And since then, we didn't have a prime minister. And fast forward, they established this transitional council, to call it the presidential council, where major political parties came together. of them. And it's a big deal, actually, for Haiti. It's a very big deal in the sense that you have nine groups that were previously against each other and had selfish reasons to exist or to move their

own way. And now they all agreed to work together for Haiti to move forward, right? And they're all voting together. They all recently, they voted for a new prime minister. Now, Mr. Connini, who just started this week. And that's a big deal because it wasn't just one person making a decision or it wasn't the U.S. or Canada making the decision saying like, this is who we want to be president. But you guys or this group of nine people, I mean, two of them don't have voting rights, but at least they're part of the table of the conversation and say this is who we want to govern Haiti temporarily until we can get to elections. So tell me about this Kenyan police force that's going into Haiti. So the Kenyan police force previously, we had the run after the arscy. There was a minister,

which was a UN peacekeeping mission that went into Haiti for similar reasons for to deal with the gangs, to deal with instability. And fast forward, we're right back where we are today. The former prime minister asked the international community for support. And the U.S. didn't want to get involved. The U.N. said they're not sending soldiers. So essentially Kenya volunteered to lead this mission in a way. It's not a U.N. mission, but it's a U.N. the U.N. gave like a step of approval.

So like, hey, we acknowledge this mission. You can move forward, but we're not liable for anything in a sense, which is what makes it very complicated because essentially the people leading this mission is Kenya and other smaller countries that are contributing soldiers to it as well. Well, it's still a bit unclear what the goal actually is, what they actually will be doing. The one thing that is clear is that they won't be going to fight the gangs directly. Oh, they won't. Okay. They won't. And they are going to protect critical infrastructure from what's been related to us.

They're going to protect critical infrastructure while they allow the Haitian police to focus directly on the gangs themselves. That tactic may change eventually. I'm not sure. But currently, that's the message that they're putting out is that they won't be the leading force against the gangs and they won't be the ones going through the small neighborhoods and dealing with the terror there. Who's going to do that?

That's a good question. Because essentially from a security perspective, right, one of my colleagues was giving a presentation the other day, his name is Jeffski, Jeffsky Point C, and he made a good point. He said, Haiti currently has an army. There's a police force. They're capable of handling this situation if they had the proper equipment and enough people to do it, right? However, we're spending over $500 million to bring Kenya into Haiti to train them to deal with Haiti. these gangs. And when they leave, the Haitian police and the Asian army are still understaff or still not trained. So why not focus directly on that and to have a sustainable, gross, sustainable, sustainable development and security? So that's what a lot of Haitians are upset about, to be honest, because it's like, well, we're here. Why can you invest in us? Yeah. You know? Now, will this work? It's yet to be seen, but a lot of us are optimistic. And, you know, it is one of the avenues to dealing with the gangs. It may not be the

most ideal, but at the crossroad that we're in right now, it is one of the best solutions that we have to move forward with. Man, so when's the last time you went back to Haiti? Because it seems like it's quite dangerous. I don't know. I mean, are you afraid to go back? Is it safe to go back? Or is it mostly Port of Prince? I'm not afraid to go back to Haiti. I didn't grow up in Border Prince. My father's from Port of France. Right. But I'm not afraid to go back to Haiti. I can't go to my town any time. The last time I went was in 2014. Well, like I said, most of my family left Haiti. So, if I visit Haiti is most like going to be like a, you know, on my own or for business reasons. Yeah, there's no fear to go to Haiti because it's not, I don't know, it's a territory that I know.

I mean, I'm not going to be stupid. Yeah. And then flying to Port of France and just like, you know. Yeah. But I'm from New York. Kidnap me for ransom. Yeah. But I know a lot of people who still visit Haiti till this day, like right now,

the other people who are going to Haiti to visit family and coming back. Again, I say this. Porto Prince is geographically a very small portion of Haiti where the entire rest of the island or experience is something completely different from what's happening. There's no gang held territories as big as Port-au-Prince. There's no barbecue in Cap Haitian. There's none of that. This whole situation only exists in Port-au-Prince. It's really a wild tale. I have high hopes, but, you know, I'm ignorant and I'm looking at it from the outside. So tell us why we should be optimistic about Haiti? Or maybe I should rephrase that. Are you optimistic about Haiti? And if so, why?

I mean, I'm optimistic about Haiti. Because when we think about Haiti, for me personally, I'll say this, right? My mother was a school teacher in Haiti. My father was a construction worker. And uncles, you asked him, when are you going back to Haiti? He's like, well, I would go back yesterday if I could. And I'm optimistic because I truly believe in having in Haiti that my mother can go back to. And my mother can retire and everybody's mom can retire to and fathers can retire to. And essentially, right now there's a new wave, there's new energy that's flowing into the space, like for with Haiti policy house being in D.C. And we are forcing herself to the table where there are a lot of rooms where Haiti's being discussed where Haitians are not invited and we are being very

diligent to make sure that we know what's happening. And the same time in Haiti, there are a lot of groups that are fighting for fairness, fighting against corruptions. And again, with this traditional presidential council, too, it's like, it's a major step forward where there's a consensus on what needs to happen. We may disagree on how we get there, but we all agree that we need a better Haiti. And I don't think you can meet a Haitian that's always that's going to say that they don't want what's best for Haiti. And this is a new time where back then you had one or two politicians who are leading and then, you know, whether it's Irish seed or Martelli, but now there's a consensus among all major political groups. And that makes me optimistic,

what's happening. Some people may call me naive. You know, the older folks would say, well, are you naive? We've seen this before. I'm like, all right, well, I've never seen it. I'm just going to be optimistic. I'm going to move in the same space. I'm not going to let cynicism take over because once you start being, you know, very pessimistic about a situation, that's when all the worst thing happens. Wolf, thank you very much, man. It's a, I really am grateful that you were able to explain all this. I think the situation there is confusing for a lot of folks.

The history is really important. I would love to visit Haiti someday, but yeah, maybe not right this moment, but certainly someday. If you want to, you can go to Capitian right now and nothing will happen to you. My wife will kill me. That's the problem. My wife will kill. I'm more afraid of her than I am of barbecue. You know what? When you're ready, let me know. I'll go with you. You got it, man. You got a deal. Thank you.

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Thanks again to Wolf for coming on today. What a sharp guy, man. I'd love to see Haiti. Maybe I'll take him up on his idea to head down there. Jen would probably kill me, though. I'm actually more afraid of her than anybody named Barbecue. Barbecue ain't never seen my wife angry. Fun story. The former president, Aristide. I was back in my days in New York City working as a lawyer. I was doing my thing, talking to everybody in bars and whatever that I met. This was my social development decade, so to speak. I met this, like, badass Marine Special Forces type guy. And he told me, that in 2004, he was actually one of the guys that went to Haiti and took Aristide out of the country, effectively forcing the guy to resign. And there were a lot of wild details. This was not some calm operation. There was smokescreen and tear gas. They were wearing, of course, gas masks and protection. And they said that at one point, they're bringing Aristide to the jet to exile him. They brought him to a central African Republic, CAR. And there's just these clouds of gas. Well, after the operation, of course, they're all safe. They decide to take showers. I'm not sure how this works exactly, but there was some sort of pepper spray tear gas residue on their hair and body.

So while they didn't get it in their eyes and on their face and skin, they were careful not to do that, well, you know, stuff drips from your body down to your nether regions in the shower. So this guy said it starts like a nice shower, feels good, you know, after an operation wearing a gas mask and all that gear. Then he feels a little tingle on his balls, followed by absolute fire for the next several minutes and screaming as tear gas residue from his hair and body drips onto his junk along with blazing. hot shower water. And he said it was the worst pain that he's ever felt in his life. And this is a guy who has been stabbed before with a knife during combat. So take that most likely useless information forth into the coming week here. Thanks to Wolf for coming on the show and breaking all this down

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