The Jordan Harbinger Show - 162: Cesar Millan | Seeing the World from a Dog Whisperer's Perspective

Episode Date: February 19, 2019

Cesar Millan (@cesarmillan) is the internationally renowned master dog trainer known best as the Dog Whisperer, founder of the Dog Psychology Center, and best-selling author of Lessons From the Pack: Stories of the Dogs Who Changed My Life. What We Discuss with Cesar Millan: How Cesar Millan went from impoverished Sinaloan kid to homeless immigrant to world-famous Dog Whisperer.  What we can learn about communicating with dogs by understanding the priority of their senses compared to our own. Why the key to correcting an "untrainable" dog is usually reprogramming the human in charge. Why the rich, famous, and powerful often find animal companionship so much more grounding than time with even their closest human friends. Why human beings are the only species on the planet that will follow an unstable leader who does not represent the greater good. And much more... Sign up for Six-Minute Networking -- our free networking and relationship development mini course -- at jordanharbinger.com/course! Like this show? Please leave us a review here -- even one sentence helps! Consider including your Twitter handle so we can thank you personally! Full show notes and resources can be found here.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Start your free trial today. Welcome to the show. I'm Jordan Harbinger. As always, I'm here with my producer, Jason DeFilippo. I've always been supremely interested in human nature. And I want to learn what makes us tick. Of course, that's why we're all here. I want to learn what influences us, why we behave the way that we do.

So, of course, when I heard there was a guy who could train untrainable dogs, and much of what he was doing was reprogramming the owner of the dogs, I was fascinated. And I think we've all grown up in some way, as big grown-up kids or otherwise, with The Dog Whisperer. And today, on the Jordan Harbinger Show, we're here. live from Caesar Milan's ranch, talking to the man himself. Today we'll explore Caesar's journey from one of the most dangerous parts of Mexico to being homeless on the streets of L.A.

to worldwide fame as the man we've come to see has damn near supernatural powers when it comes to training dogs and, of course, training their human companions as well. And if you want to know how I manage to book guests like Caesar Milan and manage my relationships using systems and tiny habits, check out our six-minute networking course, which is free. It does replace level one, which you might have heard of before. That's over at Jordan Harbinger.com slash course. All right, here's Caesar Milan.

What happens in the dog mind when I get out of the car? I'm in your parking lot, and they run up and I go, oh, hello, and I'm doing this, and I'm petting them. And it's like, then I look at the sign 10 minutes later, it says no touch, no eye contact, don't talk to the dog, and I'm just like, great. We're already breaking all three rules. Yeah, it's no touch, no touch.

no eye contact. If you were in a situation where as horses, you have no problem behaving calm. Because for many, many, many years, people have told you the horses are a very sensitive species. And the best way to get to their heart is if you're calm and you ask for space. That means respect. So calmness leads you to trust and space leads you to respect. for some reason that information didn't go to the dog loving world. It stayed with the horse loving world, you know? Yeah, I would never run up to a horse and go, I feel like I would get bit or kicked pretty quick.

Oh, you can make the horse run away from you. So you experience of getting to know the horse will be zero, right? So you're not only going to do that, but if you have a child next to you, you make sure that that child follows that ritual, you know, because you know that's what is best for the next generation and for the horse as well. That's interesting. So you recommend that with all dogs generally.

Don't lean down and start petting them right away and start talking with them right away. Especially because they don't know you. Yeah, that's true. Yeah. Not every dog is friendly, right? No, no, every dog is friendly. The thing is you have to understand that some dogs are born to be in the back of the pack. And those dogs are very sensitive.

And those are what people call fear aggressive. And that's because they have to defend himself from this approach of talk, eye contact. You know, every single dog in the world, regardless of what position he was born to be, the way he gets to know another dog is nose, eyes, ears. See, when the dogs are born, the born with the nose open. 15 days later, they open the eyes. 21 days later, they open the ears.

Nose, eyes, ears. This is scientifically proven. and every breeder in the world can tell you that that is the odor. So the mother is scent before sight, before sound. But the humans, we are ears, eyes, nose. We talk to each other, we see each other. Unless we develop an intimate relationship, we don't smell each other. Yeah, that's pretty rare.

I can probably count on one or two hands, maybe the number of people I've voluntarily smelled. Right. Yeah. But that's not your inclination. Your inclination is to get to know that. other human based on what they say and how they look like. That's why it's so easy for us to lie to each other, right? Because we listen for the words first.

Yeah, we're not in tune to the feeling of the energy that that human is saying, and animals are the opposite. So an animal is like very honest. If they don't like your energy, they're just going to fight, flight, avoid you. Yeah. I want to talk about that a little bit later as well. I'm curious. How many dogs are on the property here?

Right now we only have 11, 11 dogs. once we start bringing, you know, like, you know, start shooting the show or helping people, it increases the amount because we also have farm animals. So our dogs, they live with me and they live here at the ranch, they interact not just with dogs, but with e-moos, with the horse, with the, you know, with the, I grew up on a farm. Yeah. And a farm has the ideal social environment that everybody looks to achieve in a donkey. dog park. A dog park is the less ideal social environment for dogs because humans don't talk to each

other. Oh yeah. They're on their phones. Instagramming. Sitting. Yeah. They're not interacting. So if a dog, you know, a lot of people say, my dog is my child, well, you can tell that when a human goes into a dog park, that that dog is not a child because nobody leaves a child unattended. You see how human switches? Yeah. It's their child when they want to pay attention to it. But when they do you know what I mean? It's just the human I mean, in a very weird way, switches from, is it a dog or is it a child? If it is a child, it's not a problem. They still have to learn different. So for those people who have kids with mental disabilities, they have to shift the way the kid learn and experience the world.

Well, a dog learn and experience the world completely different. So you can still call it a child, but you have to treat him as the way he's capable to learn about the world. and know about the world. I know at one point you had 65 dogs, and you were charging like 10 bucks a day because you were illegal immigrant. I was an illegal immigrant. But you're an awesome taxpayer now, I bet.

I do, man, I do. That's why I end up buying a property. You know, I find out about once you start making enough money and you end up into a different bracket of taxes. Yeah, from zero to a lot. From zero to, yeah. I won't ask for the details. Yeah, America's great.

This is the land of quality opportunities. And immigrants will tell you best. You know, there is no need for a person to have no job. Because if immigrants can get a job, an American citizen should be a piece of cake from. In many ways, the epitome of the American dream. And I'll get the backstory here at a bit. But essentially, this is a meteoric rise, you know, to what, 20, 30, 40 years to an overnight success, I guess, at this point. So, well, I mean, let's don't call it overnight success.

40 years to over. Yeah, yes. I mean, it's definitely something that you work at it every single day. And in the beauty of life, you're going to have those downs. You know, you're going to meet those dishonest people, those people without integrity, those disloyal humans. Because I come from a different, you know, way of living in a more animal-like, you know, honesty, integrity, loyalty, and then you meet those humans.

but it's part of life, you know what I mean? It's part of life. So, yes, it's definitely it's a rocket thing, but then you meet those obstacles. Absolutely. When you were growing up, the area where you're from in Mexico now is even more famous than I guess it was because of Netflix, Narcos. We were famous before, but, you know, thanks to Netflix, we're like, Medellín famous.

Yeah, yeah, exactly. And, uh, Pablo Star is that. I know you're from Sinaloa area. Yeah. Yeah. And so not only for, you. from Sinaloa. I'm from Kuliacan, Sinola. That is the mecca. That's like, that's what I'm saying,

Medellin. And Medellin was the mecca of the drug cartels and, you know, and that's where Fablas Kovar is from. We have so many, the most famous right now is El Chapo. Yeah. And, but we have so many. I mean, I don't know how, but most of them came from there. When you were a kid, was that your example growing up? Like, look at this. Oh, I guess. It's that soccer players,

Luis Miguel, a singer. Who else? Telenovelas guys. The soap opera? Soap opera guys. Yes. Yes. Kantinflas.

Yeah. But those guys were definitely the main source of what a kid should become one day. Because that's all it is. It's all it is. That's all it's surrounded. They help a lot of people. If you ask them, who helps you more? The drug dealers or the government, they will say the drug dealers.

You know what I mean? They pay medical schools, clothes, all the basic stuff. You know what I mean? Poverty is not that you have no money. Poverty is you have no medical help, no education, no roof over your head, you know. The food sometimes is just coffee. So they can numb. Here we drink coffee just for fashion.

Sure. Over there, they drink coffee because there is no food. So it puts the hunger down. That's right. And now here people use it so they can lose weight. So we don't eat. It's not working for me. So we don't eat. So we don't get hungry. I'm sorry. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. And so when you were a little, were you thinking, I'm going to be a narco?

Yes, I did. Yes, I did. Wow. I was 10 years old when I came to my mom. I said, mom, you know, obviously in our tradition and I'm pretty sure a lot of people are very, I have a lot of empathy and compassion for moms because they end up taking care of the pack. Yeah. You know. And so I saw my mom taking care of a. you know, breakfast and school, taking us, walking us to school, and then come back home and then start sewing, you know, like sewing clothes? Yeah, so people, you know, because over there, you don't throw anything. You, you, you, you men things. And so she was, she was doing that. So I would stay right next to her, like a puppy, because she will go to sleep at three

in the morning. And so, yeah, so that to me was, this is too much, you know. So you, and you see a lot of people doing the same thing, but something that did in my heart. So obviously I start thinking how I'm going to get my mom to a safer place and for her not to kill herself job. Working. My dad worked, you know, but, you know, it's just they don't get paid over there by an hour. And so they get paid by every two weeks or every month. And they're very, very minimum.

And so that's from that point on. I started looking at where I'm going to make money. And so those are the role models. So when I was 10 years old, I thought, I was working since I was six. But when I was 10 years old, I told my mom, when I go, oh, I'm going to be a drug dealer. And she's shook. Oh, wow. Slap me across the face.

They say, if you want to kill me, that's what you do. And I didn't know that that was not the reason. I just want to make enough money. So she changed my mom and one snop out of it. Because my next question, of course, was, well, what stopped you from doing that? And the answer is my mom slept me in the fit. Yeah. So you find out pretty quick.

Like that's not something that I'm going to. She was very offended and she was very hurt, you know, by this thought. You know, I had no idea about the ramifications of that. I just saw that these people had money. They had good clothes to, well, I thought it was good clothes at that time. And great cars and they will eat well, you know. They always in good restaurants or at least what I thought was good restaurants at that time. Yeah, sure, sure.

Yeah. Not anymore. That was no nobu. Yeah. Is that your favorite restaurant? No, that's one of them, but that's a good one. Yeah. Yeah. So, okay, you decide I'm not going to be a narco.

I'm not going to be a drug dealer. I assume at some point you go, all right, well, I'm good with dogs. I'm going to be a dog trainer. I started watching Lassing Rintin Tintin. Lassian Rintin. That was the reruns. Our first TV, I was eight years old, something like that. and our first fan

we were like 11 years old like you know because normally you got to do this like a fan in the house like a fan in the house it was a big celebration time wow and there was a black and white TV so and then you change it like that you know and then you move that little antenna thing yeah I mean it was crazy

so I started watching you know lasting Rintinthine and and that's when I started showing the castle the Disneyland castle thing you know and and then the the Hollywood vibe, you know, it's a star, they're stars, the stars.

And when I was 13 years old, I told my mom, mom, you think it could be the best dog train in the world? She turned around, she said, you can be whatever you want.

She didn't agree with that. Wow. You know what I mean? She agreed with, I was going to a judo competition which is something that they have to do to redirect my energy. A judo competition?

Yeah. Okay. You know, coming from a farm, you have, you have so much space to run and to help and physically burn your energy. Yeah.

The city is more. mind than physical. So I'm coming from a place where I, you know, I can run, I can burn, I can swim, I can go to a river, you know, I mean, your energy has been used to the max. And then in the city, no, I have to go to school. And so the way they were burning my physical energy is they, they send me to judo, and then I started competing and definitely, you know, I definitely want. But that's when I start saying, well, I like that lashing and renting thing, thing, you know, I love animals, obviously. I just didn't know that that can be something besides a dog trainer.

At this, at which point do you decide I'm going to the United States? You know, I'm going to make my way here. I got something bigger. When I was 13, when I was 13, you saw it. I said, I want to be the best dog train in the world. And that's why I said about R&T because the only place that I thought that I can become the best doctor in the world was the United States. Okay.

Because I grew up watching also movies. where the Americans were the heroes, you know? And so everything in America was the best in the world. So it's that marketing brain watches you. Everything is here, you know, which in a lot of cases it is. I just didn't know I had anything to offer to the American people, you know, like my wisdom of knowledge, my wisdom of energy, my wisdom of connection with animals. I had no idea that I can train humans.

I thought I was going to come, learn from the best, you know. I was looking for lasting training team trainers. in particular. And that's why I say, I'm going to go to Disneyland or Hollywood. Okay. You know, that was my destination. You know, I was not Chicago. It was not sunny.

It was not, it was no New York. It was no Texas, nothing to me was. Disneyland or Hollywood. Okay. Which they're all like places where you don't, you don't go to learn anything. Yeah, I was like, wait a minute, why did you know? I didn't know. I thought you can go over there and learn.

and look for lasting and reading thing. Okay. Oh, like they'll just be around. That would be around. Somebody will be around with that lesson ring thing. That's the naivness, which is absolutely fantastic for me because it just gave me no obstacle. You know what I mean? That's that, that naivness way of thinking.

I said, I just got to go over there. That's it. Yeah. That's it. It's like when people come here, say, I got to talk to Caesar. I'm from Germany. Just because. They just show up.

I don't know if Caesar is here or anything like that. Like that. That focus. And people found, you know, they, they say, well, I just woke up one day and said, I want to go see you like that. So that kind of focus. That's the important part is the focus of you believe that makes you achieve what you want. Okay. So you decide to come to the States, but you can't just walk over here.

Well, I guess you technically kind of did. Two weeks. It took me two weeks who came to come to America. Yeah. I saw people die and I saw people crying. I saw pregnant women getting hurt. I mean, it's a life. Life and death situation, the people risk is definitely, it's definitely life and death.

And it's not like walking apart kind of thing. Like America is welcoming you. It's like, here's some water. You know what I mean? Eat some food. No, you get caught. You know, you get caught. And that one thing about American officers is they do feed you.

When you get caught? Yeah, when you get caught. Yeah. When you get caught, America feeds you to give you a sandwich. Nothing special. No, no Jersey Mike's, nothing like that. No, Jersey Mike's not. Jersey mugs, nothing like that, no Philly cheese, nothing like that.

It's just a bologna sandwich and mayonnaise and pretty, but this, I mean, it tastes like heaven, though. I'm sure. Yeah, and a Coca-Cola. Two weeks in the desert, that Coke and bologna. Yeah, definitely. You're in the border. So I was in the Tijuana border, which is the most common. So people there are from when I'm from, they take that path.

You know, for some reason, everybody takes. that path and, you know, it's like, like cheap. And if you're from the center of Mexico, they go through Matamoros, you know, yeah. So like the Dominicans that always moved to New York. You know what I mean? Like all the Latinos, like, okay, where's the, where's the Colombians? They're on that side. There's no, a lot of Colombians on this side. That's, yeah, I never thought about that. Yeah. I can see that. You're listening to the Jordan Harbinger show with our guest, Caesar Milan. We'll be right back after this. Don't forget, we have a worksheet for today's episode so you can make sure you solidify your

understanding of the key takeaways from Caesar Milan. That link is in the show notes at Jordan Harbinger.com slash podcast. Thanks for listening and supporting the show. To learn more about our sponsors and get links to all the great discounts you just heard, visit Jordan Harbinger.com slash deals. If you'd like some tips on how to subscribe to the show, just go to Jordan Harbinger.com slash subscribe. And now back to our show with Caesar Milan. At one point, did you think I'm going to end up going to the desert? They're going to leave me in a bat. I mean, we hear things like go to Mexico. You're going to end up meeting somebody. You wake up in a bathtub full of ice and your liver is gone. Were you afraid people

were going to take advantage of you when you were coming here? Yeah, you do think about that. Yeah, because we're not thinking about like Americans doing that to us. We're thinking our own people doing it to us. You know what I mean? Because you are definitely. human trafficking type of thing. Yeah. Yeah. And you can end up being a mule. Yeah. Oh my gosh. You know what I mean?

Yeah. And I'm by myself. I'm 21 years old. It's just my faith, my passion, and my instincts. It's not smart at all. No. I'm not using my intellect to do that action. I'm just using my instincts, my passion, and my faith.

So you pray a lot. You pray a lot. Definitely, you know, I was trying. My dad gave me $100, which I had it on my, on my shoes. under, uh, between my shoe and my socks. And, and that's all I had, $100. That was his life savings. He said, there was, his life savings was $100 and he just gave it to you?

He gave it to me. Because he saw my, my, my, my, uh, my resiliency, you know, he saw my, my, my focus. He saw my, that I said that my, it was no turnaround, you know, it just, he just knew I was, I was going to leave. He didn't know I was going to make it. he just knew I said I'm leaving because I was 21 so they couldn't do anything about it. Yeah. Wow.

Yeah. So I left on December 23rd, which is, you know, right before Christmas, right before Christmas. So it was, you know, we're Catholic. So it was a lot of like religion type of thing. No, it's Christmas. It's that. So I spent two weeks on the border. So I spent Christmas and New Year's at the border trying to jump it.

Wow. Wow. Same clothes. Yeah, same clothes. No shower. You can't shower. You can't probably not much to eat, I would imagine. The adrenaline is a lot of food, my friend.

The adrenaline, the fate, and the passion. And that's how people in our country can actually make it. You know what I mean? It's just the adrenaline to live, the happiness of the next day, the faith. There are more believers in other countries than actually in a country who has so much money. Here's a debate about what religion is better. Even religion exists. Over there, we believe it does exist because we want that someone up there is looking.

for us. You know what I mean? So that will leave, it engages in a, in a relationship that at least someone who we can't see, see us, you know? I feel like you would need that, especially if you're going to come to L.A. with your, I say no plan, but I guess your plan was to go to Disneyland, but by now you probably think that, okay, I had no real plan. No, I had no real plan. I have no real plan. I have no real destination. I didn't know anyone. I didn't speak English. I didn't know all the challenges that America would have for someone like me or someone, yeah, someone like me. How did you get the first job then when you arrive? Oh, job is piece of cake.

Job is easy? Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Yes. I mean, people love hungry people, you know, like hunger in the way where he's a good one. You know what I mean? That guy has what it takes. Yeah.

You know what I mean? It's like picking up a soccer player. Everybody can hit the ball, but some guys have more hunger than the other. And that's the guy you pick. because that energy, you can't make it. And so, you know, you don't get paid a lot, but that energy of being happy about sweeping for five bucks, cleaning cars for five bucks.

Because, you know, and then I learned, you know, in AMPM and 7-Eleven, you got two hot dogs for 99 cents. So I have to make $1 a day, people. Oh, to eat. That's it. To eat, that's it. You grab those hot dogs, put some, you know, tomato and onions and ketchup and all of that stuff.

eat it. How long did you eat two hot dogs? Two months. So that's a lot of hot dogs. That's 120 hot dogs. That was fine with me. Yeah. Because I don't have to worry about making a lot of money.

Right. You know, and then I find out about the big gulp experience. What's the big gulp experience? Would you buy it once and you refill forever? What? Welcome to America. We don't get that. We don't have that in Latino countries.

We don't. Because what happens is we go and refill it and we sell it outside. You sell the Big Gulp refill. Like by pouring it into other. That's right. The Pinas will go refill it and sell it outside. So if you buy a soda from somebody on the side of the road, it's probably a refilled big gulp. We don't know.

No, in Mexico, you're going to see a lot of people selling you soda in a little bag with a straw. Yeah. Yeah. I've seen that. Oh, is that with, yeah. That's what that is? Yeah. Oh, that's funny.

Yeah. I never thought about that. Oh, my goodness, yes. So, you talk about recycle. We were doing a recycle way before America came on board. Yeah. You know what I mean? Because we recycled everything, everything, you know, organic, way before Whole Foods

was open. We were doing organic. So that we just call ourselves poor. You know what I mean? Vegetarian? Vegan? That's poor. Yeah.

Can't afford meat. Exactly. So here it's like, I'm vegan. I'm vegetarian. I have money. You know what I mean? Yeah. means you buy whole foods.

Yeah. But, but to us, that was just that your economy level was that. So that's what we're very healthy. You know what I mean? Yeah. We get very healthy. Yeah. We grow our own thing.

Yeah. We can't buy it. We have no much. So we got to grow our own thing. Right there, that's organic. Yeah. And you can't afford to eat to kill chickens every day because you need the egg more than the chicken, right?

Yeah. And the pig or the, or the cow, the goat. That's for weddings. Right. Big events. Big events. Big, big, big events. And that's around the world.

If you go to Africa, that's around the world. Yeah, I've seen that. I've heard of that. You know what I mean? That's like a big event. Somebody's getting married. Okay, now we're going to do this. Okay.

Okay. And so at this point, then, you're refilling the big gulp. You're surviving on two hot dogs a day. But you get this reputation as the guy who can walk like 30 dogs. That's when I can't. So that it was in San Diego. Yeah. So then in San Diego, I got a job in a grooming salon with these two awesome white ladies.

And I learned my first sentence, did you have application for work? That's all I learned. That was only... That was it. After that, I have no idea what to say. And so the ladies, you know, I came in and they have application for work. And they start telling me and asking me stuff. I couldn't answer.

But they had a cocker spaniel in the back. and they showed me a picture of this Cocker Spanielan how they wanted it to be groomed. But the dog was biting them. Oh, I see. Okay. And so I went in there, grabbed the dog, hold the dog, touch the dog, and start grooming the dog. And of course, their job went down and how do I do it? You know what I mean?

How this guy that is dirty can touch the dog and groom the dog without the dog feeling aggressive about it. And the dog actually, you know, start moving the tail. Trust me, you know, it's the energy. The approach was different. And so from that point on, I went from two dogs to finding, you know, $5 a day, whatever you get what's sweeping and watching cars. They charge $120 for that dog groom. Wow. Which any groomer will get 50% of profit.

So that day, I made $60. It's a lot of hot dogs. That's exactly what I have. Is it? Is it? It's exactly what I said. So I ended up grabbing $50 and turn it back because I thought it was just a one-time job, a one-time experience with them.

And he said, no, no, no, no, no. In my head, I don't eat that many hot dogs. Yeah. You know what I mean? And so I give them $50 back. I keep 10. So I thought that was what was worth. And now the ladies gave me the $60 and they asked me to come back the next day.

Yeah. Yeah. So me, Vien of Virgo, I saw their place. And I started cleaning that place like it was mine. I, you know, we, we like things very, very clean. And so they were very appreciative because they were older ladies. So I started moving things, cleaning up. The place was just perfect.

And so they loved that part. And it's like watching dogs. I started watching, preparing them for them so they can groom them. You know what I mean? Like to bat them, blood dry them. And then so I was like a machine. Young guy with two old ladies. I was like, I'm from heaven.

Yeah. You know? That's great. I made $1,000 in a month there. And then shipped off to L.A.? And then that's when I went to, I don't know if you ever heard about Miller Alpost. No. What is that?

It was a store. It was a store where they used to, it was like Target. So I went and bought my first 501. Oh, jeans. Gene. Yeah. Big time. I had no clothes.

I was wearing the same clothes. I took a shower in the bathtub and one of those bathtub. The dog bathtub? Yeah. So you're in there like kind of. kind of posing yourself down? I mean, when you grew up in a farm, you got a bucket, you know, do that thing. So do you, do my guy, berate.

Yeah. So I went and bought my first, with $1,000, my first jeans, which it was the worst thing I did. Because they were hard. The jeans were hard. Yeah. I never knew you had to wash them first. You know what I mean? And so that was the worst thing.

But I got my first 501. Nice. Yeah. So you're looking stylish. Looking better. That's right. Not stylish. Just not homeless.

That's right. Well, yeah. Not too homeless. Yeah. And so I went to the Greyhound and then I bought a ticket, but you have to learn when can you cross San Clementing immigration point. Oh, those checkpoints. Yeah. Yeah.

I barely think about that because I don't get stopped at those. Me neither either now. Now you don't. Yeah. Because you're driving a nice car. A nice car. Yes. And they know who I am.

So that's good. Everybody has a dog of the immigration. Yeah, yeah. Huge show, help me a lot. So, so then, you know, you find out when they're not checking so you can take the bus, because they will stop the bus immediately. Oh, wow. Yeah.

So you can cross in a car. That's not a problem, but it's the buses they stop mandatory. So, you know, you learn the streets and then the, and then one time this guy says, it's either they're not stopping anybody right now. So went and dropped the keys to the ladies. Oh, you left like that on a, you didn't plan. It was like, let's go. Yeah, you're in the street.

you don't plan. Yeah. The streets you don't plan anything. There's not planning in the streets. Homeless people don't plan their day. They just live the day. Yeah. You know what I mean?

It's a freedom behind, which is awesome. You know, here I have to plan. I have to talk to everybody. Make sure I'm going to Singapore in February 10. And so I have to plan, you know, in advance how I want the animals to do, you know, to work or to be, you know, all of that stuff. And house and all that. You still didn't speak English, though, right? No.

So how did you end up learning England? How do we get from, all right, I'm showing up in L.A. to dog trainer. I mean, you, because the rep was, you were kind of this underground guy for a while that could walk all these dogs in L.A. In L.A. With no leash and the gangbangers are hanging out. Like, there goes the crazy guy with all the dogs. Don't mess with the guy with the dogs. It's crazy.

Yeah. It's definitely crazy. You know, who has that many dogs off leash? Rod Wiley Spittal, German Chepard's, you know. To me, you know, it's, if you see that painting right there, that's normal, you know, in Mexico, nobody has leashes on a dog. You know, dogs go to the market, to churches, to the beach. In third countries, that's the leash low is not even a thing. You know what I mean?

So the land of the free has more leash log than the land that we call not free. So for the animals, Mexico is way better. You know what I mean? Can run around. Yeah, they can fly, they can swim, they can run. you can do their thing, yeah. So you learn English because of just by being around it, or are you trying to figure out how to get a better job at this point?

Back in that time, well, yeah, of course. My customers were NBA players, you know, NFL players. So your word is French. Yeah. Nicholas Cage? Nicholas Cage. Okay. Ben Diesel.

How did they hear about you? Yeah, the Mexican guy in the street. Oh, you really? That really sort of went fine. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I never had, like, business guys. So it was a Mexican guy. So back then in the forum, it was where the Lakers used to play.

You know, and so I was from England to South Central, walking a pack of dogs. And I would start walking a pack of dogs, so people, their dogs were frustrated. You know, so I would go around. I was just bored. And I asked people, hey, do you want me to walk your dog? And many ladies would say, no. Most of the times the ladies were at their house and the man went to work. say no, no, no.

And some ladies will say, yes. So that, in the hood, most of the dogs that they are outside are Rottweiler. Sure, yeah. Nobody has a Labrador taking care of their home. Right. You don't see Labrador's in the hood. You see Rodwyliders, Pitbulls, German Chepers. So Inglewood and South Central is the hood.

And so I said, to me, they're dogs, you know, just, they were just Rodwild, but to me, I saw, I seen a dog. So I started walking, walking. and people start paying attention to that, you know? And I don't know if you remember, but it was a radio show. It was called Rick D's in the morning. Yeah, of course, yeah. Okay, so I love Rick because I love his English. It wasn't like if you would listen to 105.9, you know,

like it was a lot more gangster more. Yeah. And so I didn't want to speak, you know, with slang and anything like that. Sure. I, you know, I just want to speak clear. So I started listening to Rigg, you know, start, I had a boss, Jay Rio. He gave me a chance watching limos, and he gave me the opportunity to have an astrovan. And so he only speaks English to me, you know.

I was a Caucasian guy. And then later on I met Jay to Pinkett Smith, and she had four Rottweilers. And that's when I told her, listen, I would like to. do a little bit more than what I'm doing right now. I would like to have a radio show. I would like to be part of a TV show. You have to aim high even. Sure.

Yeah. I'm crazy. I'm already in America. Because you're washing limos and you're like, yeah, I want to be on TV. Yeah. People must have been like, okay, buddy. Oh, most of them. Yeah.

Especially the people close to you. Yeah. You know, they would totally doubt you faster than the people who is outside your intimate space. And that's something that people have to be careful about it because that hurts. You know? Yeah. So if you believe what they believe,

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Yeah. And they're like, oh yeah, hermano, no English. And you're like, I'm going to figure this out. I'm going to figure this shit out. And so, yeah, so that's, that's, those obstacles, those are obstacles, you know. But again, as you believe, is your faith, as your passion. And it's the opportunity that you're looking at, you know, I'm looking at, I need to teach people, what you see now. I teach people about energy and dog psychology and then how to train

dogs. But to me, it was like such a big opportunity. I just have to speak. I just have to speak a language. At any way, I say, I have to have papers. I just have to speak the language of this people who are so in a need of being trained. That's when I start saying, I don't train dogs. I train people and rehabilitate dogs. That's interesting. Yeah, because I've heard, and we're in the, here at the dog psychology center doing this, like, in your, can we say like dream business, dream homes? It's not really. It's kind of both here where we are, right?

Like, I would imagine you're washing limos. You're not thinking one day I'm going to have this giant farm full of animals and dogs. No. No. No. I didn't think that way until I went to Ranyan Canyon. When I started walking in Ragnon Canyon, that's when I said, I need a piece of line like this. Yeah.

And at one point, I started asking this, is Rion Canyon for sale? It's like impossible. Right. You know, impossible to buy that piece of land. Okay, but I'm just going to make my own running canon. So Ryan Canyon inspired me to have my own piece of land. It's a perfect place for dog walking. This?

Yeah. No, Running Canyon. Oh, yeah. Oh, this is the best. But Running Canyon at that time became the place where you can practice walking and socializing and rehabilitating at the same time. You know, because people love to take the dogs to a dog park. But Ryan Canyon, you get everything.

You get the walk. You get the social. or you get the, if you need to work on anything, you know, with your dog, you get to do that as you walk, you know. So that was, that to me was like, okay, one day I'm going to have my own running canny. You mentioned that you train people, you rehabilitate dogs. Yes. So I know you're learning a lot from dogs because I read the book, the lessons from the pack. But if 60% of training the dogs is training the people, you're kind of more human trainer than dog training.

I am human trainer. It just has been. and the history, the people believe that you have to train a dog. That's why America opened business for dog training, you know? And that is thousands. It's thousands and thousands of places where you can send your dog to be trained. But the most important member of the family who should be trained is the parent of that dog. You know what I mean?

Yeah. You're not only entering to parenting. You also enter into a child that learns completely different than what you're used to. You know what I mean? And so he's a different species. He has a different state. It's the same stages in their life, but shorter, for example. Puppiehood is from birth to eight months.

Females become hit at eight months. She's not a puppy anymore. Oh, wow. So people keep calling puppy, dogs who are three years old. the dog, it has this playful disposition. You know what I mean? And that's because the dog is stuck into this playful state of mind. So he's not moving on.

Because humans aren't letting. Because humans are, oh, my baby, oh, my baby. So the dog is like, it's almost like you're playing that song over and over and over and over and over. So the dog becomes brainwatch to stay in that frame of mind. You know, so when you want him to behave more mature, he can't. Right, because you're training him to not do that. Yeah. It would be like if you babyed your kid until he was 30 years old, you're shaving him and you're, oh, you're so pretty.

The classic mama's boys. Right. There is, there is men who the mom has kept them in that state of useless. Yeah. And the guy was to date a woman, you know, he's four years old, but he can't because he has him growing up. You know what I'm saying? So that, similar to that. Interesting.

Yeah. Similar to that. That's funny. Yeah. Wow. So behavior change in dogs and behavior change in humans, it seems like there's a lot of similarities. I've seen things on the show where this is a long time ago. There was a dog.

He had the tail between his legs or something and he was really, had some behavior that was negative because of that. And I want to see you tied the tail over the dog's head to kind of force, you basically forced him to act more confident as a dog. If you change your body position, something happens inside of you. That's what they sell things. So your body position changes. Right. The posture changes. Right.

And so that's what they tell you. If you can't do it internally, do it externally. You know, so if you are, you know, Antona Robbins follower, he's going to tell you that your physiology can influence your psychology. Sure. You know? And so in a case like that, I needed to change the physiology to change the psychology. So most people will put a leash on the neck or on the muscle, you know, the whole teeth,

or the harness. But that's not going to change this. Right, right. You know? And so when a dog feels good about himself, his tail looks high. That's why in a Westminster situation, they always grab the head and the tail, right? They always do that. So the dog presents himself as his most proud moment in his life.

All right. So I know that the head has been touched many, many times. These humans have been pet, you know, the head. So he has kept the head lower. but one area they have never touched the tail. Nobody does, you know, because I've always think outside the box as that's part of being innovated and creative. And so I put a leash on the tail and the dog, you do, and you start running.

Interesting. Yeah. And the dog was like, ah, this is the best day of my life. On top of that I'm running, fear is something that they have to run it out. So it was very important that I put a rollerblade so this dog can run as fast as long as he She wanted to. It was a girl. She wanted to run that day because I want to be attached to let's get rid of this fear.

And in the meantime, feel good at it. When you were raising your kids, are you thinking, all right, I got to do some. I mean, similar stuff, right? Same, same, same, same. Same, same. Especially when you're raising boys, you know, me being a male, we're body, mind, heart. You know what I mean? My boys are outdoor type of guys and the mind have to be busy.

and you have to reward for the good things, you know, so exercise, discipline, affection. Right. Yeah. They have to work for their things, you know, and they have to be rules, boundaries, limitations, you know. Definitely, I have to lead by example. I want them to make sure they know that the only four energies they need in life is calmness, confidence, love, and joy. They don't need insecurity.

They don't need anxiety. They don't need lack of love. If a human doesn't love them, just find love with an animal. Don't worry about it. Of course. Of course. So there's something to the cat lady thing, huh? You have to exercise love. Just like you have to exercise your body.

Just like you have to exercise your mind. Just like you have to exercise joy. So animals only believe in four energies, calmness, confidence, love, and joy. That's it. They don't believe in misery. I can see that. Unless we teach them that, of course, as humans, right? We are the only one that teaches animals.

The negativity exists. because animals will go through it, but they won't live in it. Yeah, there's no dogs. They live in the moment. They don't sit around thinking, man, last year ahead of rough year. That lion almost killed us all. Oh, my God, let's just don't go back over there. See, we create stories, and those stories allow us to live in the past or anticipate

the future. So then we forget about the moment. We forget about the presence. But the people who actually are very present as the people who are about to die, like cancer survivors, are really good about that. They let go to the past. they let go the future. Like that.

Yeah, there's no need. They can afford it. Yeah, can't afford it. Yeah, can't afford it. So why be a human who experienced that to live that way? You see it? So that means those humans went into an instinctual, passionate, spiritual way of being. They stop being more mental.

You know what I mean? They can't think about the past or the future. They have to instinctually survive, passionate love life, and believe that they can pull it through. You've had a lot of high visibility. The TV show's taken off this business. Obviously, he's doing super well. It's got all kinds of things going on from Asia to training people here. Do the animals keep you grounded?

Because at the end of the day, the dogs aren't like, oh, Caesar's so famous. He's so successful. They don't care. They'll still bite your leg. Money, fame, and power does not exist in the animal world. And that's why a lot of money, fame, and power people love them because they keep them grounded, you know. So when we have famous people here, what they love the most is, you know, you dog doesn't know you are such and such.

Yeah. You know what I mean? Right. I love that about him. He tells me like it is. You know what I mean? But humans are not allowed to be that way. You know what I mean?

Yeah, we can't really get rid of that. No, no. I mean, people empower, like, famous people are, you know, are easier to work. The people empower. That mean, like the billionaire, like, you know, like politicians. And those people are harder to ground them. Why do you think that is?

Because they're so used to. been told what to say. Oh, I see. Yeah. You know, at least the famous people do yoga and meditation. Right. The powerful people, they don't do that. Right. They just buy stuff. Right. So they're just telling everybody else what to do. Yeah. Yeah. So then I have to go and tell them what to do. Right. Oh, that must be. Oh, yeah, I say, no, I pay you to change my dog and teach everybody here. Right. And you're like, all right. All right. But that doesn't work like that. Right. Yeah. Here's a plastic bag to pick up the poop. Yeah. Well, we can do that.

But the part of them changing, the part of them, like, being there for the pack. Sure. You know, they're so used to the pack being there for them. Right. You get it? Yeah. So it has to be a combination of a good pack leader is there for his pack, and a good pack is there for the pack leader, but it's mutual. You know, so one thing that I have learned as a dad and as a partner with my fiancé is sometimes I lead, sometimes I follow.

So you're not always in a leadership position because sometimes you're wrong. So if you're wrong, you shouldn't be leading. Oh, yeah. You see what I mean? I don't, that can be, I could see why that's hard for some people, though. Yeah. I can see that that would be hard for me too. Yeah.

Yeah. Because then you enter into right and wrong instead of letting the flow be the right, who is right. Because it's about what's best for everybody else. You know, we are the only species that follow unstable pack leaders. We are the only species in the planet that will follow unstable. pack leader. Animals do not follow instability. Why do you think we do that? Oh, because we focus in money, fame, and power. Yeah. So if that person says that we're going to be more famous, more powerful, and we have more money, we follow him or her. You see, so our focus has changed

from harmony and balance to money, fame, and power. So nobody comes to America for a spiritual retreat. People come to America for money, fame, and power, but Americans go to America for money, to Peru for a spiritual retreat. And ayahuasca. And ayahuasca. Yeah. You see it? They go into the wilderness.

They're going to the jungle of Brazil. They go, you know, they go and talk to the, uh, the shaman. The shaman guys. Like, those guys don't know how to read or write. You know what I'm saying? So that's not like you're asking. No, they don't. I mean, that's not their thing.

They're medicine men, you know, just like Native Americans here, we're medicine men. So that's what people, you know, do here. That's what we follow. And because America is the pack leader of the world for many things, you know, fashion, music, television shows, every actor wants to be a Hollywood actor, not just an actor in their country. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. So America is a big role model. So because America does that, and then we end up following unstable leaders everywhere.

I see. So since we're focused on some of the wrong values, we follow the wrong people. Yeah. Yeah. But animals don't have that. And it makes sense. I know that you talk about humans wearing masks and animals wearing masks in a different way, right? Like a bird will pretend to be injured to get a predator away from its nest. Correct. But humans wear masks and then we leave that thing on for 30 years. Yeah. Yeah, we forget we got it. Yeah. We get comfortable with stuff. But your soul, your spirit will always remind your something wrong. Your instincts will always, you know, like people call it six cents or people call it, you know, intuition. So that is real. But why would, why do we become disconnected to it? Because we don't exercise it. You say, so you end up questioning yourself and believe in what others say or is right. You know what I mean? And so now you're not, you're not, you're not,

you're not leading yourself with what you believe. You're leading yourself with what others believe. and that obviously doesn't help you personally. Your soul, you know, become sad. Your heart becomes sad. Your intuition becomes sad because you're not listening to you. So you forget about you. And your mind saying, no, no, no, we're listening to us. Yeah, but it's only you mind making a decision.

It's not the four of us who are in agreement with this decision. So animals, every decision they make is made as a family. Nothing is moved, like the congressman and the hundred senators and the, you know, everybody's making the decision. That's right. You know what I mean? So there is no agreement. Agreement is the most important word to do anything, good or bad. But animals, it's all about good.

You see it? Even in the elephant world, the elephants were the species that told humans for a long time, the females can lead the pack. Until now, we say females can be president. of the world. But animals are being doing that for a long time. So if the male is unstable, females get rid of them. That's why the females lead the hurt. In elephants. Yeah. Yeah. I did not know that. Yeah. For hundreds of years. Because the male, when he enters into Musk, he gets too aggressive, too disrespectful. So to the point that he can kill the little ones. You know what I mean? So he causes instability. So then all the females

gather together. I say, let's push him because he's unstable. not because we don't love them. You see, they will not follow instability. So the guy has to calm himself down before he comes and enter and romanticize one of them. That's really interesting. I did not realize that. And I know that a lot of,

there's a lot of talk among, and I saw this in your book as well, the animals, they can't be inauthentic, really. They're always, it's not in the programming. You can be inauthentic when you think about it. You know, but when you react about it, you can't. Like babies are not unauthentic.

They don't know how. So when you are in a baby stage, you are instincts, love, and spirituality. You have no idea what you're going to talk about. If it's Chinese, if it's English, if it's Spanish, you have no idea about culture. You have no idea about food. You know that you have to eat, but you know that you're going to eat sushi or that you're going to eat ribs or you're going to eat tacos. Sure. You know what I mean?

But what you seek as a baby is calmness, confidence, love, and joy. Right. There's kind of no ante, to your earlier point, there's no anticipation. I would imagine Chinese babies aren't like, oh, man, I got to learn Mandarin. It's going to be so hard. That's right. And I got to eat with this thing. Just give me a fort.

Yeah. Exactly. You know, exactly. So at that time, you are in your animal form. You are in your spirit form. You are in your heart form. Society wants you to be smart because if you're smart, you make money. Right.

So all these, where we go off the path is all because of these value discrepancies. That's correct. Yeah. So if we do like a combination of both, which is. is what I told my boys. Listen, we're going to be earth people and we're going to mean money people. Of course. I didn't jump the border for nothing.

Yeah. You know what I mean? Absolutely. But we're going to do it together, you know, and we have values to respect. We have a purpose to achieve in the meaning of life. That's it. I've heard that dogs, and I'm sure that you agree with this, can read body language, nonverbal communication better than we can as humans.

And so, but you know how people go like, oh, my dog, I trust the guys that my what am I sure I say? Like women will say, oh, I date the guys that my dog likes. If my dog doesn't like him, I don't date. 100%. But the dogs, is the dog reading the other person, or are they reading our own? Both. Both.

Okay. Yeah, because it's how the internet works, you know what I mean? Like a satellite. It bounces from it. Okay. So what is the respond right away between those two? Right? So the guy smells, the dog smells, he sees and feels.

He's not hearing. He smells. He feels, I'm sorry. And then at the same, same time, he's already connected to his human. So if his human gets a little nervous or a little excited, it's all related to that person. You know what I mean? Yeah. Oh, that makes, yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. So they're reading us as we read the other person and they're also reading it. So it's a combination of all the actors. And as you can hear, we don't just have dogs here. He's a neutralizer

of bullshit, right? Right away, he's like, okay, do we trust this human or no? That's the first thing. If you build relationships on trust and then respect, then love is a piece of cake. What are you thinking when people come in, and I'm sure you've heard this, because I've heard this, people go, oh, my dog doesn't like other races. My dog doesn't like African-American people. And then I'm like, right. Oh, yeah, my dog doesn't like Mexican, sorry. And then I'm thinking, does your dog not like Mexicans or do you not like that? Do you have an issue with them?

Right. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. racism is something that you teach, you know, consciously, unconsciously. Kids are not racist or animals are not racist. They're honest about not liking an energy, but they have no clue that is because the color of or the size of the person. You understand? Yeah.

Yeah. Or if the person is a handicap, there is no, that's what is called unconditional love, you know. So no matter how you look outside, what they care is about how you feel inside. That's the beauty. You know, so only humans teach about the outside. Only humans teach that. Racism only exist in the human world only. So what do you think when people bring you dogs and they go, yeah, the problem is my dog doesn't like men and, you know, I want to be dating.

Are you thinking you should probably go take care of your own issues about men or your own issues about? No doubt about it. Yeah, yeah. Because, you know, that's the part where I put my head of honesty. Yeah. And I do want to help you, but we're going to ask, I'm going to ask you some questions they have to do with you answer in a very honest way. Yeah. You know, how do you feel about men right now? Yeah. You know, that's simple as that. Throw my wife's cousin, I'm throwing her under the bus. Because she got a rescue dog,

so there's probably some residual trauma there from something. Yeah, yeah, no doubt about it. But she's like, oh, the dog hates men. The dog hates men. And it's like, okay, but how come the dog has never gotten better that maybe she's had a really traumatic. experience with guys. I don't know. Yeah. But maybe there's something else going on. Trust has level.

You can trust people at a low level, medium level, high level. So that has to do it. It's very simple to answer the truth. You know what I mean? So do you trust man at what level? Do you respect man? At what level? Do you love men at what level?

And that just gives you an insight. Like, shit, you're right. I got to work on that. No wonder my dog is the one who's the only one who's honest. Right. Yeah, exactly. And the dog says, hey, we don't trust men. You told me that every night, every time we go to sleep.

Right, right. Every time guys come over. She feels it. Right. Watching TV, the person can have an emotion and the dog picks it up. That person doesn't have to verbally say, you know what? I'm having trouble with men right now, and I just don't know how to get it out. You know what I mean?

They're not going to do that. But they're still going to experience it. It's like when guys watch like NBA or NFL and their team is losing. they go crazy and the dog walks away. Yeah, because the dog doesn't stay there. No dog stays when the man is going crazy. It's no way in the world. He doesn't enjoy watching you going crazy

and talking by yourself and screaming and stuff like that. Nobody watches. I mean, it has to be another guy that is going crazy with you. Yeah. But it's not a dog that is going to go crazy with you. That's interesting. I hadn't thought about that. I know that in your past,

you had some traumatic stuff happen with the business, the original show was owned by some production. construction company and then relationship issues at the same time. And you kind of had a spiral. Yes. And it led to some recovery and a new maxim, which is ownership, control, leadership. Yeah. How have you implemented that?

First of all, how did you come to that? Well, I didn't, because, you know, my whole thing wasn't to be knowledge about money, fame, and power. I didn't, I didn't came to America to be famous, powerful, anything. I just came to learn so I can, you know, go. go back to mom and I love my dad, but, you know, but we always talk about that way as a Latino there's mom, but meaning the whole family. And support her, you know, support them both for their, for the later part of their lives. So, so I was, I thought that everybody, you know, has the same level of honesty, integrity and loyalty to, to an idea. I didn't know, I didn't

know that dishonesty part in Hollywood. Yeah. I didn't have no idea. You know, I'm a man, I'm still, I was raised by my grandpa as well, and he died when he was 105. Wow. So that kind of man, that kind of mind is your last Mohican kind of thing, you know, whatever he says is going to be done and it's a check end and that's it. And he'd rather die than do anything opposite of what he said, you know? So that stuff doesn't work here. That's not, yeah.

He is all about the paperwork, you know, here is about lawyers. You know, you pack, you better have a good pack of lawyers. you know, and that and that constitution that they're making you sign, it better be on your favor. Yeah. So you just kind of said, sure, TV show also. Yeah, this looks great. Yeah, because I manifested a TV show, you know. I was first interviewed by the LA Times.

And at the end of the conversation, the lady says, so what would you like to do next? I mean, all these people are coming to you. I had a place in South Central, my first dog psychology center, you know, and Nicolas Cage. And, you know, it just came in at that. And it's like, hey, in South Central, I mean, dogs from Beverly Hills come to South Central to get rehabilitated. I'm surprised to hear that. That's right.

So from the wealthiest place in the planet to the hood, the dogs, you know, normally is the other way around. Yeah. You know what I mean? And so I say, well, we like to have a TV show. So I manifested the TV show way before producers came, but I just, I have no idea. No idea about that.

So, of course, yeah, you just said, great. this is working for me, you sign it, and then a few years go by, and it's like, wait a minute, what do you mean? I don't own this.

That's right. I don't own my name. What do you mean? My kids don't own their names. What do you mean? I'm not an owner of this library. You know, what I mean?

I can't see the books. You know what I mean? So all of those things that you are totally unaware of, you know, the shows in 120 countries. You know, why we're not getting any procedures? You know what I mean?

It's like, oh, no, it's on the red. Hasn't the red. It's a 120 country. Yeah, it doesn't make it sense. You know what I mean? It's like, so they were just spending money.

Like, I'm not, these guys. They were doing some amazing, terrible things that only a brain or the mind can do it. Because the instincts can do it, your heart can't do it, your spirit can do it.

There's no way your soul will let you do that. It's no way your heart will let you do that. There's no way your common sense will let you do that. Only you, wicked mind, negative mind, will go against honest, integrity, loyalty. Yeah, and it's just, that's one thing I never really understood.

It's like if everybody's going really well in one direction, why screw somebody else over for an extra 10%. That part is always, even living in L.A. for as long as I have, New York, for as long as I have, I still don't understand what people do that. I just still, I still naively look for the best in people, and sometimes my wife or my producer, Jason, or the, Or other people, apparently your parent will do that. They'll go, hey, man, what are you doing?

You got to be careful on that. I'm like, oh, yeah, because I have to take a step back. Because I, too, prefer to live in a world where, well, possibly a naive world, where people are going to do the right thing because it's better for everyone. But you learn that less than that. You know, I don't think I will ever, I will ever give that up. I will never give up my honesty, my integrity, my loyalty. You know, I would never do that.

I didn't grow up in that place. My parents are not that way. My grandfather was not that way. The environment that I grew up was not that way. My role models that I admired so much animals are not that way. Sure. You know? So I'm okay with the experience.

Obviously, in the beginning, it was painful, you know. Yeah. You get to experience fight, flight avoidance. You get to, like, feel this lit down. not sleep for a couple weeks. Listen, I already come from poverty. So it's not that I don't know how not to have money. I master that.

You know what I mean? Yeah. So I come from no money. So it wasn't about the people stole my money. It was about people now following honesty and that's what hurt me. Yes. You know, to experience humans at that level when they were saying, you know, that we're honest people.

So I believe, I believe on that. It's that part, like that naivness, part, the good human being side of it. I'm never going to let that go. I mean, it only made me more clear that I'm glad that I'm that way, you know. But definitely I went through some, like, very disappointed. I even make myself, put myself in a failure. You know, I'm a failure because I didn't recognize those situations. But that was not in my role to recognize those situations, you know what I mean?

But I blame myself for a little while. That's why, you know, try to commit suicide and didn't work. One of my biggest failures. You know, one of the biggest failures, not being able to kill myself. But, you know, when it's not meant for you, even if you put you in front of a bullet, as we call it in Senalo, it's not for you. What elements of your poverty upbringing do you still have? You know, like my older relatives who survived World War II, they'll keep like ketchup packets in their purse. Do you have any sort of...

I'm not a hoarder. No. Not a hoarder. Of course. But is there anything else where it's like, oh, when I get hungry, I start to like get real angry or... You have any sort of quirks that you brought with you from the old country? No, I just called Uber Eats. What's that?

I just call Uber Eats. I'm an American citizen, people. I don't hold ketchup stuff. Yeah. That's funny. And they're like driving. out here like where is this place man six miles off? All right. From

here I go eat sushi. Yeah. Rakita Shogam. Perfect place. All you can eat for 23 bucks. Not bad. Not bad. Maybe we'll hit there after this. No, no, I don't have that. I don't have, I don't have, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't think's clean. Um, uh, I don't like to, you know, collect anything that is no needed. Yeah. You know, I don't, I don't have dogs. No, not even. Not even. No, I'm not. Not a way. I have a limit. No, the 65 at that time, I mean,

It was from 5 in the morning to 11, 11 p.m. That was my life. And, you know, I was a dad at that time. I'm still a dad, but I was raising two little kids. And they will have to come with as I do as I'm growing this business. So I'm glad because they're awesome with animals. Yeah, I would imagine. Yeah, both of them have a TV show, you know.

So that's, that paid off. Yeah. You know, but, no, I don't have any, anything like that. I still have the same desire of helping my mom and my dad. Do you consider yourself now more Mexican or more American? Obviously, there's a blend. You need both. You need both.

Yes, you need both because Mexico is like my mother. And America is my father. As a father, it's more like the sense of direction. And the mother is the nurturing part of it. So both of the countries have definitely made me who I am. America has a great thing to help you to self-love yourself. I mean, and to find who you really are now, you know what I mean, like be the leader you want to be.

There were countries or Latino countries. It's all about being a follower. Really? Yeah, yeah. So you don't, that's not, if you were born a leader, but if they tell you, you know, well, you're, you have to, you know, go and work for somebody else. And so, so you never get to be who were you, who you're born to be. In America, it's all about self-help, you know, self-realization.

You know, and America has the Tony Robbins, the, you know, the Wendaya, the operas of the world, you know, the Deepak Chopra's, all of those people who are helping people to be themselves, you know, so in a thorough country, we don't get it. You know, we don't get it. In India, I mean, if you're born in a certain kind of caste, like, that's who you were born to be. I couldn't handle that. You know what I mean? Like the place where people go get good karma. You know what I mean? Like the place for spirituality.

then you have to stick in that, stay in that. No, I mean, that's what America has. America has that ability to really bring that side of you. You know, I love the part of Mexico. Mexico's super family-oriented. You know, here you become very self-oriented. Over there, you become family-oriented. So the combination of both, you become a good pack member.

Yeah. Are you recently married? You still engaged? I'm engaged. I'm engaged to a Dominican awesome woman. Yeah. Yeah. She loves animals.

That's good. Have you ever dated anyone that's not? My ex. What? Yeah. She's like, hey, do you have any pets? You're like, 65 dogs? She's like, check, please.

No, no. We just got pregnant too soon. Oh, I see. Yeah. But, you know, I have two awesome boys from that. But she was not an animal person. So it wasn't going to work. Well, yeah.

Oh, my gosh. Yeah. Imagine what kind of tension that would have caused. Oh, yeah. We just not even thinking about that. I heard Will Smith doesn't like animals, but Jada has like four. Jada is my soul friend. We've been friends for 20-something years.

Actually, the boxer that you saw here belongs to them. Yeah, Will is an admirer of animals. Yeah, but he grew up in the city, so maybe he just didn't have any touch. There's a lot of people that grew up in a city. Jetta grew up in the city. Oh. Yeah, in Baltimore. Yeah, but just you're an animal person and you're not, you know?

Yeah. I always find that, I feel like, there's a part of me that just thinks everyone's an animal person it just doesn't know it yet or something, but maybe that's naive. I don't know. No, there's three kinds of people in the animal world. People who love animals, people who are afraid of animals, people who don't like animals. And that's pretty much it. You know what I mean? And those are the three energies in the world if you think about it.

Some people love people. Some people are afraid of people. Some people don't like people. Yeah. I suppose that's true. Yeah. I just can't imagine not being around animals. Like, I grew up with dogs and now I have cats and they've got all kinds of.

If it were up to my wife, we would probably build a little shack back here somewhere. She would be petting dogs and training dogs. and walking around with a bird on her shoulder. Oh, that's the best, man. That's the best, that's the best feeling. We were driving in and she goes, I want a place just like this. Oh, and I thought, okay. Yes.

Oh, you haven't seen the whole place. Yeah, but this, it is a dream. It is definitely the mecca for a lot of the dog people and the energy people. Because now we inviting also yoga people, you know what I mean? We've got that too. We got many different places for you to meditate and for you to do this, this connection to nature and yourself and your heart. And the thing is we provide animals who are in a relaxed state, for example, if you want to do yoga right next to llamas and alpacas, the energy is incredible, you know, or emus, the energy is incredible. A horse.

Horse yoga. I've seen goat yoga where the goat's standing on. Yeah, and people are on the dog goats on top of the people. That's cute. I don't get that one. Yeah, it's best to walk with the goat than actually do yoga with the goat. The yoga is best with the animals who actually just like yoga around a camel. I can dig that.

Yeah? Yeah, because they're just hanging out, relaxing? Yeah, man, the energy that those guys do when they're chilling is what you need to imitate. The goat never chills. Goats, yeah, the goats are always running around. Yeah, eating grass or worse. Yeah, so they're bouncing all the time. It's like, you can't concentrate.

Yeah, that's good point. Well, my last question, honestly, is what kind of lessons from the dogs are you bringing into your new marriage or your new relationship with your with your fiance compatibility number one you know what i'm saying compatibility is definitely a uh a main uh ingredient to be with someone for the rest of your life you know and then it's the values uh do we have the same values about life you know is the same purpose about life at the same meaning about life do we have our same spirituality you And are we willing to follow and love 100%, you know, no matter what? And are we willing to make sure our senses are at 100%, you know, our eyes, our ears,

are everything, you know. It's like, that's why exercise discipline and affection. It affects your senses in a good way, you know, that kind of thing. And are we willing to build this business together? And we are, you know what I mean? So if the four worlds in some shape of form, you are you can partner with that person you're going to build a good life you know and in my case is also we're building a for the third time of business yeah you know what I mean so this is my

third time yeah picking up myself and taking it to another level you know business wise and and it feels good the the the team is smaller but only wolf in and this time yeah only wolf yeah what does that mean wolves are a great hunters because they never stop hunting so when you you want to do business and you want to grow the business, you want those guys to be wolf-like. Oh, so the people on your team are only wolves now. Right. No, uh, as opposed to dogs. Dogs. Okay. Yeah, the dogs are good for the maintenance. Ah, you've got a hustler, go-getter team. That's right. Then, then you follow play and explore, you know, that's a dog thing. Yeah, those are definitely more play for the wolves. Yeah, the wolf, you know,

is, it's known to be the greatest hunter in the planet. Yeah. They don't turn it off. never turned off. The Wolf of Wall Street, you know what I mean? Yeah, well, you know, maybe a bad example. Yeah, well, I know, but, but, but he was a hunter. Sure. I mean, how he did it for, for the movie is a negative thing, but, you know, the, the spirit of a wolf, that's why a lot Native Americans were very, you know, very, uh, respectful to the wolf, you know, it has, it has, it has, it's in a higher place, uh, for, uh, for family purposes and for medicine purposes and for Latin, it's just, it's just right now, the, the, the team is smaller. but more powerful.

That's great. That's exciting. I'm excited to see what happens. I'm excited about it. I'm about to be 50 this year and loving life more than ever. The people that I have around me right now is definitely the people that I'm glad that they are with me right now in this era. My life. My kids are in a perfect place.

The greatest woman on the planet. My parents are fine and all these opportunities, you know, this coming. our way is incredible, you know. So you got to go down and then come right back. That's the beauty of life, you know, like the whole thing about shaking yourself and move on and do it again. As long as you don't feel your common sense, as long as you don't lose your common sense, as long as you don't lose your fate, as long as you don't lose your passion, you're going to be fine. You know what I mean?

You're going to be fine. That's all you need not to lose. You can lose money all day long, but you can make it again, especially a guy like me. me that came with no money. You know what I'm saying? So I just got to go do it again. That's it. Caesar, thank you very much.

This has been great. Thanks. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Alpha, you did great. Well, that was a fun show, Jason. Thanks for setting that up.

Oh, my pleasure. Yeah, that was a bucket list item, definitely for me. I've always wanted to go up to the dog psychology center. And this was just a fantastic chance to go meet the man, meet the animals, and have just a really good show. Yeah, that was great. There was a lot of animals there. you, I think, had to bounce. Me and Jen and Ryan, we got a tour, and it was like, there's llamas, there's a tortoise,

there's, of course, there's chickens and dogs everywhere and stuff like that. But all kinds of, there were emus. We got to pet and hold and a llama that came up. By the way, the llama's name, Lorenzo. Nice, nice. Very nice. And so we, yeah, Lorenzo Lama, for those of you who are a little short on the, anyway, whatever. But we got to pet an emu.

I mean, you don't normally get to go to the zoo and be like, I'm going to climb in the cage and pet the animals. So that was cool. That was a lot of fun. Yeah, I'm sad I missed out on that, but had to go back home and get back to work. Yeah, well, we can go back there again, the dog psychology center. I mean, they invited us to a barbecue. Caesar was surprisingly accessible, really cool, generous with his time.

He was like, yeah, you guys got to come back and hang out, do more stuff, come to have some barbecue. And it was funny because he's like, I'm really good at cooking barbecue. and I was like, yeah, okay, every guy says that. And then all his employees, and I think his kids were like, no, dude, you really got to come back and try the barbecue. Like, you really got to come back for the barbecue. So apparently he's really, really good at doing some barbecue, that's Caesar Milan. I got that from the staff and the family.

They're like, no, dude, we're not joking. You really got to come back for the barbecue. I'm like, all right, I'm in. Yeah, for real, though, that barbecue. So a great big thank you to Caesar Milan and everyone at the Dog Psychology Center. If you want to know how we manage to book these great guests, we use systems, we use tiny habits, we use consistency and some software, of course, and you can check out our system. It's free.

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