The Jordan Harbinger Show - 307: Help! I'm Too Physically Attractive! | Feedback Friday

Episode Date: January 31, 2020

Being unattractive to potential partners is obviously not ideal, but what happens when you're too physically attractive to land meaningful attention from someone who might complete you? We'll... tackle this and more on the latest Feedback Friday! And in case you didn't already know it, Jordan Harbinger (@JordanHarbinger) and Jason DeFillippo (@jpdef) banter and take your comments and questions for Feedback Friday right here every week! If you want us to answer your question, register your feedback, or tell your story on one of our upcoming weekly Feedback Friday episodes, drop us a line at friday@jordanharbinger.com. Now let's dive in! Full show notes and resources can be found here: https://jordanharbinger.com/307. On This Week's Feedback Friday, We Discuss: Our prison trip is officially full! If you want to get on the waiting list in case we have last-minute cancellations, please drop Jordan a line at prison@jordanharbinger.com! Should a tip be optional unless service is above and beyond what's expected from your server -- instead of obligatory because the restaurant or business won't pay their staff enough? You've been at your job for a long time and you want to do something different. How do you let your employer know that you want to transition out of your current role while still keeping a positive relationship? You're the only child, and you've got an overly sensitive and selfish parent you need to take care of. What can you do to make sure they don't stress you out when you're expected to drop everything to attend to their needs? You're in a long-term relationship that seems to be on track for marriage. What do we suggest you talk about to make sure you're both on the same page before you make the biggest commitment of your life? You want to settle down in one place after moving to six different states and countries over the past 12 years, but your spouse can't seem to decide where to settle. What can you do to come to an agreeable compromise? You're a successful, moderately attractive person who seems to get attention from all the wrong people. Potential friends either want to date you or worry their partners want to date you. On top of all this, you're demisexual. How can you find someone compatible? Life Pro Tip: Instead of spending a day shopping, spend a day cleaning out your closet. You will find clothes you didn't realize you had and re-discover old favorites you thought you had lost. Plus, it's free! Recommendation of the Week: Wrong Man A quick shout out to Amanda Milligan! Have any questions, comments, or stories you'd like to share with us? Drop us a line at friday@jordanharbinger.com! Connect with Jordan... See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Starting point is 00:00:03 Welcome to Feedback Friday. I'm your host, Jordan Harbinger, and I'm here with producer Jason DeFilippo. On the Jordan Harbinger show, we decode the stories, secrets, and skills of the world's most brilliant and interesting people, and turn their wisdom into practical advice that you can use to impact your own life and those around you. If you're new to the show, on Fridays, we give advice to you and answer listener questions. The rest of the week, we have long-form interviews and conversations with a variety of amazing folks, from spies to CEOs, athletes to authors, to think. and performers. And this week, we had activist Shaka Sanger. He was in prison for a while and actually reformed a certain gang culture in prison to be more community service-oriented, kind of an amazing story and an amazing person. We also had BJ Fogg, the OG of Behavior Change, one of the original researchers when it comes to human habit change and behavior modification.
Starting point is 00:00:56 His book Tiny Habits is recent, and I think it's going to be one of the go-to guides for behavior change for habit change. So go check out what we created for you here this week. Of course, our primary mission here on the Jordan Harbinger show is to pass along our guests and our own experiences and insights to you. In other words, we want to have conversations directly with you. And that's what we do today and every Friday here on Feedback Friday. I just want to place one brick in the structure that makes up your life. That's what this podcast is really all about. You can reach us Friday atjordanharbinger.com. The prison trip is full. If you want to come, it's more than full already.
Starting point is 00:01:30 If you're dying to come to prison with us February 26, 2020, and join us in our volunteering with the inmates at High Desert Maximum Security Facility. Let me know, prison at jordanharbinger.com. We'll probably have some last minute cancellations. We'll figure out something. I'm really excited for this. I can't believe how many of you are coming with me on my birthday to a maximum security prison, and it's just going to be a really a cool event, really a cool thing to do.
Starting point is 00:01:55 Not many people get to go into prison in a maximum security prison and then come back out. at the same day. I put it that way. Hey Jordan, it's your birthday. You're a felon. Go home. Yeah, right. Yeah, for a day. I mean, we're volunteering with the inmates, so it's not just like a museum trip and it's not sort of like this gawking type thing. We're going to be interacting and helping out. So it's going to be a lot of fun. And again, if you really want to go, we are full, but I'll see what I can do, prison at jordanharbinger.com. Jason, what's the first thing out of a mailbag? Hey, quadruplej. Love the show and would love to hear your take on this. I struggle with tipping. Why is this even a thing? Shouldn't the tip be optional unless the service went above and
Starting point is 00:02:34 beyond instead of obligatory because the restaurant or business won't pay their staff enough, so they have to rely on tips? I would much rather the tip amount be built into the charge. Do you always tip even if the service is bad? Thanks, to tip or not to tip? Well, you're 100% correct. And yes, tipping is a weird American thing that makes virtually no sense to anyone. We're just used to it. While I agree with you and all of your reasoning here, are a few counter arguments that may or may not be valid. One, some people think that servers make more because of tips, which isn't always true. Most servers are paid below minimum wage, and they need tips to make up the difference. So unless the place you're at has expensive
Starting point is 00:03:13 food and or is really busy, many servers end up making minimum wage or less. Two, some people think that service degrades when a tip is mandatory or is included. They'll say something like, Have you ever been to Europe? The service is terrible, which, by the way, is not true at all. Most jobs, especially service jobs, don't involve tipping. And the service is just fine, both in the U.S. and in Europe. I mean, does your UPS guy throw your packages into the swimming pool because he doesn't work for tips?
Starting point is 00:03:41 Does the landscaping company rip up the rose bushes because they don't work for tips? Is your hotel room dirty because housekeeping doesn't work for tips? No, the UPS guy tosses your packages in the pool because he doesn't respect you and your hotel room is dirty because every one. hotel room is frigging dirty. Tips don't change a damn thing in most cases. People either take pride in their job or they don't. Come on. In the case of restaurants, the incentives to change this system just aren't there. The restaurant can get away with paying their servers jack squat, and the customer has to make up the difference. The restaurant can advertise super low prices
Starting point is 00:04:15 because you, the customer, have to pay tax tip. And in California, some health care charge and other fees, all because the local establishment owners don't have to pay for those things themselves. And I get it. Even if a few restaurants did decide to buck the system and include everything and then pay their servers an actual living wage, their prices would look much more expensive than the competition, which would hurt their business. So I get it. I understand how this works. It's an econ 101 here. This is just one of those very North American things that probably isn't going to change anytime soon. And yes, I tip even if the service isn't that great, unless, of course, the server is, is rude or doesn't seem to actually care about a problem that we have during the meal.
Starting point is 00:04:54 In which case, they get exactly what they deserve, which is a reality check. So add 20% to the cost of an item at a restaurant, learn to do that simple math in your head, and realize that this is just how it's going to be until you retire and move to Australia. All right, next up. Hello, I've been at my current job for six and a half years. I love it, but I feel like it's time to transition to other pursuits. I just had my third baby, and I'm on maternity leave. and I'm supposed to go back to work in two weeks.
Starting point is 00:05:21 How do I let my employer know that I want to transition out of my current role while still keeping a positive relationship? I'm more than willing to go back to work until a suitable replacement can be found and trained. Do I let them know now or wait until I go back? I want to tell them that if they have a position where I can work mainly from home part-time and maybe go into the office once or twice a week, I can do that. I should also add that they have plans to close the program that I supervise in the next year, so I have to change roles anyway. I can't keep working my current schedule for that long, though. Thank you. Just trying to do the right thing in Idaho.
Starting point is 00:05:57 In this case, it's always better to let them know earlier rather than later and do so in writing. They may ask you to work your current role for a little while, or they may ask you to simply stay at home after maternity leave and not bother. It's kind of up to them here. You can't go wrong, letting them know early and offering to make sure that any transition goes smoothly. Obviously, it'd be great if you could stay in your role until they close the program, and then you can offer to stay as long as you can and potentially close the program early in that case, but I would be open about what you can and cannot do and make sure that you're really honest about this. Don't say you can stay six months when you think you're probably going to bounce in four, and don't tell them that you need to leave in four when you might actually be able to stay six and close things down right and make it easier for them. If you do end up working from home, you have to work twice as hard as you would in the office,
Starting point is 00:06:47 so that they don't think you're slacking and taking advantage of them. I've had miserable experiences with people working from home, and I've had great experiences with people working from home. It depends on them and how disciplined they are. But I will tell you, when people shift from working in an office to working from home, the first several months can be pretty rough, because it's hard to get up and keep a schedule when your dog's barking, and you can go out for lunch whenever you want,
Starting point is 00:07:11 and it looks like you've got to clean the garage, and you can procrastinate with everything that's around you. So you've got to be careful here. It sounds like you're leaving them before they really needed you to leave. And so thinking about this from their perspective will always help you make sure that you don't burn any bridges. And in the end, most employers will understand that you had three kids in your life and it's utter chaos and you're doing your best to land the company properly on its feet and
Starting point is 00:07:36 not simply leave them in the lurch. And even if you could keep your job while raising three kids, I think they'd expect to see a decline in performance. So letting them know early and managing the transition with as much transparency as possible is always the way to go here. You might consider delivering the news in person or by phone to your boss before going back and then put things in writing after the meeting or after the call. There's just something about personal contact that tends to take the sting out of bad news
Starting point is 00:08:04 and it'll give them a chance to ask questions that they may not have time to put back in writing to you or that they might think is not wise to put in writing. This, of course, depends on your relationship with your manager or with your boss, so I'll leave that judgment call to you. Also, if you're not planning on being a stay-at-home mom with three kids and you're actually transitioning to another job, hopefully, then this is the kind of thing that you should make very, very clear. But also, it'll help to have a job lined up before you break the news because they might
Starting point is 00:08:33 say, well, in that case, your two weeks are in and it's over when your maternity leave is over and don't bother coming back. Then you're on the job hunt. That might be what you're doing. It's unclear from the note here whether or not you're going back to work or not, so I don't really know what to advise here. But make sure that you always have a place to land if indeed that's what you're looking for. All right, what's next?
Starting point is 00:08:54 Hi, Triple J's. I wanted advice on how to handle an overly sensitive and selfish mom. I'm her only child and have always done a lot for her since she lacks a lot of social and everyday skills to live an independent life. She was born and raised in Mexico and moved to the U.S. after meeting my dad. They got divorced after 11 years of marriage. She's been in the U.S. for about 29 years, but has never learned to drive, speak fluent English, nor has she held a job for more than a year. She has a boyfriend she lives with, and I've helped her pay bills for years until I got married
Starting point is 00:09:23 and started my own family. I'm 28 years young, married for two years, and have a 15-month-old daughter. My mom still plays the victim and tries to make me feel bad if I don't drop what I'm doing and go help her and whatever she wants. She's stuck in her own mindset and refuses to mature and expand. her train of thought. To top it all off, she refuses to babysit, even though she has all the time in the world. She prefers me to pay someone else to watch my daughter. I don't want to keep my daughter from creating a relationship with her grandma, but she's driving me nuts. Any tips on how to not let her
Starting point is 00:09:54 stress me out would be greatly appreciated. Thanks so much. Mom with a maladjusted mom. Wow, while I'm getting a bit stressed for you just listening to this, it's interesting when we get older and we can see our own parents' fault, isn't it? Like right now, you might be be thinking, maybe this is one of the reasons my parents actually got divorced way back then. Maybe she was doing this to my dad, and he decided after 11 years of being manipulated and guilt tripped that he'd had enough. I understand it might be tough living in another country, losing your marriage, so I feel some sympathy for her plight here, but your mother is obviously handling this the wrong way. She's trying to control the situation and then control you through
Starting point is 00:10:35 guilt. Often this is innocent. It's a habit that a lot of parents, a lot of people build. But what's also telling here is that she isn't interested in even babysitting her granddaughter. It's kind of strange. This is highly unusual for somebody who's in a needy position. It makes me think that there's something else going on here. If she wants to be needed and she wants to be around all the time and she wants you around all the time, then when you ask her for something, she says, no, I don't really get what's going on here. There might be more to your mother's mindset than simply being a little bit selfish. This seems outright immature. It's a bit of a surprise. So rather than trying to psychoanalyze your mom, I'm happy to give you some strategies on how to protect your mind here.
Starting point is 00:11:14 One, unfortunately, lower your expectations. I know this sounds a little weird, but one of the biggest sources of stress is always mismatched expectations. If you aren't getting what you need from your mother in terms of babysitting help and she's driving you crazy, instead of saying to yourself, why is my mom like this? You can tell yourself, this is how your mother is. None of this is a surprise. Stop asking for babysitting. Stop wondering why she's being selfish. She just is.
Starting point is 00:11:40 Two, realize you're under no obligation to tolerate any of this. Yes, she's your mom. Yes, she helped raise you. This doesn't mean she gets to control your entire life now. Look, if you were 28 and you lived at home with her, I'd say, you better go cut the damn grass, hit the grocery store. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out, right? But you're not.
Starting point is 00:11:59 You're 28. You have your own child. You have your own home. You have your own family. Your primary obligations are to them. It's not like your mother can't drive. It's not that she can't use Uber. It's that she wants your attention.
Starting point is 00:12:13 She wants to feel important. And because she has thus far been very successful in controlling you, you owe your parents respect, but you do not owe them your own happiness or your life. Some people may disagree, but this is my opinion and you've asked for it. Three, you don't have to do anything drastic here. If your mother asks for a ride and you can't do it or you don't want to do it, talk her through using Uber or try. If your mother tries to rope you into a conversation to make you feel guilty, change the subject relentlessly.
Starting point is 00:12:42 And if she says, why do you keep changing the subject, say, I'm not going to let you control me through guilt. And just keep going back to the topic at hand. If she refuses to get the message, don't answer the phone every time she calls to start some petty argument with you because she's bored. The thing about narcissistic or selfish behavior is that it often needs to be watered, like a plant. If you don't indulge the other person every time they need a hit of your attention to feel important, well, they start to meter it out a little bit. They start to think about, why should I call? It shouldn't call. Is now a good time? It might not answer. This means you deal with it less and less. Number four, self-care is not selfish. This is key and you need to
Starting point is 00:13:19 remember it, so I'll say it again. Self-care for you is not selfish. You need to be taken care of yourself. You need to make sure that you are rested. Make sure that you're not stressed out to the max, because this is about your own kids, your own husband, your own family, which includes you, by the way, you've got a 15-month-old. How will she feel when mom, that's you, is all anxious because grandma's on the phone with you for three hours telling you how she raised you and you owe her and you're being a bad daughter and she came all the way to America from Mexico to raise you and you're an ungrateful little, you know, that's not going to serve anybody well.
Starting point is 00:13:53 It's not going to be good for you. It's not going to be good for your own kids, your own family, your husband. My grandma was a little crazy, and she would stress my mom out all the time. And I started getting in trouble in middle school, in part, because my mom was so distracted and upset all the time. It became like she wasn't even there sometimes. She was exhausted emotionally. She was exhausted physically.
Starting point is 00:14:15 Every day she had to bail my grandma out of some issue or come over to plug in the damn refrigerator. I mean, it was just ridiculous. And it took a toll on the whole family, and I remember my parents fighting during that time, and I was getting in trouble, and my mom thought, I'm barely holding it together, and it's like, no, you're not holding it together. You're letting this person who's just bored and sits home all day
Starting point is 00:14:35 plot how they're going to make you more miserable and get more attention from you. It's unhealthy. You owe it to your family, and most importantly, you owe it to yourself to take good care of yourself emotionally. I don't care if your mom is Mother Teresa. She doesn't get to make you miserable
Starting point is 00:14:50 and less able to be a good mother to your own daughter just because of her imaginary or self-inflicted plot. flight, your daughter and you simply matter more right now. This is Feedback Friday. We'll be right back after this. Thanks for listening and supporting the show. To learn more about our sponsors and get links to all the great discounts you just heard, visit jordanharbinger.com slash deals. And if you'd be so kind, please drop us a nice rating and review on iTunes or your podcast player of choice. It really helps us out and helps build the show family.
Starting point is 00:15:22 If you want some tips on how to do that, just head on over to jordanharbinger.com slash subscribe. Now let's hear some more of your questions. here on Feedback Friday. All right, what's next? Hey, Triple J. As a long time listener to Feedback Friday, I obviously hear a lot of questions tied to relationship dynamics. I've been in a serious but amazing relationship for almost six months now
Starting point is 00:15:44 and truly do feel like I've found the right one. As our relationship matures and we get closer to eventually tying the knot down the road, I know that there should be some topics we talk about and to clarify before that happens, be it in health, finances, family and kids, careers, etc. We're both open to talking about the future, and for the most part have been on the same page. I want to minimize the chances of dealing with relationship problems after we're married. What are some musts that you would suggest discussing, and what would be good ways to make sure both of us are staying on track with what we originally agreed to? Thanks and keep up the great work.
Starting point is 00:16:17 Signed, Love Risk Minimizer. Well, good call on trying to handle this. This stuff is super important. If we want to know what to handle before marriage, then we should look to the data to see why, most relationships implode. And while we can't really control for things like losing the spark or falling for someone else, I mean, we kind of can, but that's beyond the scope here. We can make sure that our core values are aligned. And I know most people wouldn't list money as a core value, but it's basically a meta value because most or many other things in life have to, unfortunately,
Starting point is 00:16:50 center around or are affected by money and our ability to manage and take care of it properly. So let's focus on that first. One, talk about what. you want to do with your money. Not in some vague sense, but in a very real sense. Do you want a new house? How big? Are you going to build a house? You're going to own a house. You're going to rent a house. How much house can you afford? Is this really what's going to satisfy you? If she wants a 4,000 square foot house but you're satisfied with a 1,500 square foot house, you need to really figure out what's important. You might be cool getting something bigger and she might be comfortable with something smaller. You really don't know. You need to figure that out. Let me tell you, the price
Starting point is 00:17:26 difference? Pretty big. The key here is to avoid falling prey to cognitive bias. Most people think that they'll be earning more money when they get older, and for most of us, this is correct. However, most people grossly overestimate this. If you don't believe me, take a look at some polling data, which shows how people vote. You'll see that some of the brokest, poorest people, they are absolutely freaking delusional about how much they'll be making later in life and how much they'll be saving for retirement. Some of the people with no money, it's basically like, okay, you'd have to win the powerball to get to this amount of wealth later on. Why are you voting for this tax policy? What's wrong with you? When I was in college and saving money for retirement, people thought I was crazy. They were rolling
Starting point is 00:18:09 their eyes. They were like, why can't you go out? What do you mean you have to invest for retirement? They were convinced they'd be rich because they're going to be a doctor. They don't need to save until they were a practicing physician. I guarantee you those knuckleheads are having financial problems right now. In my business, my last business, My business partners were super short-sighted in how they invested and saved. It was ludicrous. They'd spend and spend and pay insane amounts of taxes on income to go buy shoes and crap and go on vacation and go out instead of delaying their compensation for later
Starting point is 00:18:39 because they were convinced they'd be making a ton more money in the future. And now that I've split with them, sales and revenues are on their way down. And things aren't looking up for them at all, obviously. Meanwhile, I've been saving since college and I could retire in a few years if I wanted to while they have almost nothing in the bank. The reason this is important isn't just because I relish any chance to mock my former business partners for being dipshits. No.
Starting point is 00:19:01 But oh, you do. But I do. But I do. It's important because when you're in a business, you're legally business married. You're joined legally to someone. And if they make bad decisions financially, you're almost just as much of a dips shit as they are because you share in the consequences of those decisions. So the longer you stay in a mess like that, the more of a dipshit you are.
Starting point is 00:19:22 So I'm signing up for that label. You got to make darn sure that you're on the same page about retirement investing as a percentage of income and what sort of budget you'll need to live on before kids, after the first kid, and the second kid, et cetera, because these things change as you move to a new house, you move to another city, move to a new location. What you want to avoid is being with somebody who decides that if they make more money that they can spend more money. Okay, fine, you can, but it should only be a percentage of the increase in income, a percentage of the increase, not the entire increase in income.
Starting point is 00:19:56 If your budget and lifestyle grow at the same rate as your income, you'll end up saving what you need based on your previous, more conservative lifestyle budget, and you'll outspend your retirement, which is obviously really bad news. So does that make sense, right? You need to increase the budget for your retirement, if you're like, well, we're now spending this much money
Starting point is 00:20:16 because of kids, but when they're gone, we're still gonna end up spending this to maintain the house and go on these vacations and blah, blah, blah, blah. You have to budget for that. Because if you budget in your 20s for retirement, you're like, yeah, we're going to need X,000 dollars by then, but then you double or triple your spending. When you retire, you're going to have to cut back so far. You might not be able to do it.
Starting point is 00:20:36 That's not good. So, in other words, as your lifestyle increases, your retirement savings should also increase proportionally, or you are screwed. You've got to make sure your partner's cool with that and isn't just paying lip service to saving and investing. Or it's not like, yeah, you save and I'll keep spending and I'll just, You save for both of us. Like, that's not going to work unless you plan that out.
Starting point is 00:20:58 Outside of money, where you live is really important. I live in the Bay Area. Jen's family's up here. It's a great place. But I went into this relationship knowing that I'd be buying some of the most expensive real estate in the world, or at least in the country, paying taxes out the nose because California, I had to be okay with that. If your fiancé is from Germany or something, don't tell her you might be okay moving
Starting point is 00:21:20 out there sometime when the only thing you know about Germany is they have October Fest and techno or whatever. You need to have a real honest discussion about where you're going to live for how long. Yes, you can change your mind, but I think if you write this down and you might even find there's some disagreements because the last thing you want is to end up in a situation where you guys have kids, she gets pregnant and she's like, yep, I want to live in Brazil near my parents and I've decided that I'm going to be totally miserable if I don't and I'm going to make you miserable too or leave you or something, you could have avoided that. Yes, again, you can change your mind, surprises happen. But if she's like, yeah, I've always wanted to move back home as soon as
Starting point is 00:21:55 I got pregnant, you're like, I just got a promotion out in Denver. What the hell? Right, that's bad news. Totally avoidable in most cases. As far as kids and careers, I'm lumping these two together because this answer's gone on for a long time already. And also because these two things tend to be very strongly interlinked for couples that have kids. You need to decide how many kids you'd and be very honest about this. If you don't want kids and she really does, big problem. If you really want kids and she really does, but she wants five and you want two, big problem.
Starting point is 00:22:27 Don't agree to something, thinking the other person will eventually change their mind later, or you'll worry about that when you cross that bridge when you come to it. Betting that someone is going to think differently later is a bad bet most of the time. Be as honest as possible, and if you're on the fence or thinking you don't want kids,
Starting point is 00:22:44 say that and stick to it, even if you think you might lose the relationship as a result. It's tough. But the world has enough people stuck with kids and the resentment that comes with somebody having a child that they don't want. It's something that can severely damage the child and the rest of the entire family.
Starting point is 00:23:00 It's just not worth fibbing on this one. Also, you need to realistically decide if someone's going to stay at home with the kids. If they are, decide who that would be and for how long and make damn sure that they're okay with that and they're not going to resent you for it or resent the family for it. Also, you need to be realistic.
Starting point is 00:23:16 in that if you have three kids, you're probably going to be paying more for child care than one of you is making. And it may simply not make financial sense for both of you to work. This will also dramatically alter your budgeting and your finances. I've seen a lot of families that think they can have three to five kids. They can both work as lawyers because they got this great income and they're just somehow not going to be totally miserable and exhausted at the end of the day while nannies do the parenting for them. To each his own, but this seems like a miserable existence to me and you'll want to honestly evaluate your and your spouses, your fianc's appetite for this. And in case you're wondering what I'm doing, Jen works with me, as you all probably know,
Starting point is 00:23:55 we have one child who is five months old right now. We have help during the week, and Jen's aunt comes over for four to six hours. If we have another kid, though, which we're planning to do at some point in the near future, whoosh, Jen's likely only going to put in a couple of hours per week, if that, and I'll be putting together a healthy budget in terms of the salary. to hire someone to step up and replace what she does in the business, what she's able to do right now. And that's going to be probably a six-figure role here in the company. So I'm going to have another kid, which is expensive, and have to hire someone else to do what Jen's doing,
Starting point is 00:24:29 which, of course, is going to also be expensive. So we have to budget for this. Not only have we already budgeted for this, but our entire work from home lifestyle has been designed around us having two or maybe maximum three kids and spending loads of time with them. We're building a house next to her brother, my brother-in-law, in 15 minutes away from her parents, because we know we can't do it all ourselves out here in California. And we don't want to spend a million dollars on nannies over the next decade and change. We're very fortunate that podcasting is so hot right now, and we've made some good decisions,
Starting point is 00:25:00 both in the past about money and in business. But all of this has been meticulously planned and still requires some decent luck to pull it off. So get to work, write this stuff down, do the math, be damn honest with both yourselves and with one another. A problem solved, avoided, circumvented, or plan for now is worth a lot of money and headache and heartache later on down the line for both you and your partner and your future children. I should probably write an article about this because I think I basically just did, but many blessings for you and your family in the future, my friend. We'll be right back with more feedback Friday right after this.
Starting point is 00:25:41 Thank you for supporting the show. Your support of our advertisers keeps us going and keeps us on the air. To learn more and get links to all the great discounts you just heard, visit Jordanharbinger.com slash deals. Now back to the show for the conclusion of Feedback Friday. Next up. Hi, Jordan. I'm an American who moved to Geneva, Switzerland a year ago because my wife had an incredible job offer here that was too good to pass up. In the U.S., I had worked in sales, but because they speak French here, and my French then was non-existent, I couldn't easily transition to a sales role. I decided to get my master's degree in a more technical field, since I was looking for a career change anyway, and also learn French.
Starting point is 00:26:21 I've been happy here in Switzerland, though I feel I could be happy almost anywhere. My wife, however, hasn't adapted as much to the culture. It's very quiet and reserved. Stores close earlier, there's less to do, and she doesn't want to learn French. So for months we were planning a move back to the States when I finished my degree, which happened last month, so I was focusing my attention and leads in New York City. However, around November she had a change of heart and decided she wanted to stay here since she's not ready to leave her job, even though she doesn't like Geneva, so I transitioned
Starting point is 00:26:50 to my focus to opportunities here. For the last few weeks, she's been urging me to apply for jobs in London where she went to school, but also she frequently speaks about wanting to move back to her hometown in South America to be closer to her family when we decide to have kids in a few years. This is frustrating, because ultimately, I would like to stay in one place since I've already moved to six different states and countries in 12 years. I don't really care where, but I would like us to stay in one place, buy a home, build a local network of friends, advance our careers, and simply have long-term plans without the uncertainty of where we'll live looming over our heads. I've communicated this and she understands, but she isn't at peace with any decision. In the meantime,
Starting point is 00:27:31 I'm focusing on job opportunities here, but how can my wife and I come to a decision of where to settle down and have her be at peace with the decision? Thank you, ready to settle nomad. Hmm, sounds like something else might be going on here. It's smells a little bit like escapism. Your wife wants to keep moving because the grass is always greener. It's possible she's just an adventurous soul and likes variety, but at some point you guys need to set down roots and grow a life for yourselves, as you'd suggested. And if this seems to be a pattern from her, and that's kind of what it looks like from your letter, this really does sound like escapism, which is an indication that there might be a deeper lack of fulfillment or unhappiness
Starting point is 00:28:10 that's going on with her. It actually might be something that's not even conscious, with her, and it's worth exploring with a therapist. Go to betterhelp.com slash Jordan if you guys need to find remote English speaking therapists for this, even, you know, of course it's all online, so you can do it from Switzerland. I've moved a ton as well. There's nothing wrong with exploring the world and taking opportunities, but if one person is happily doing this and the other kind of isn't happy doing this, then this needs to be communicated. There needs to be a real sit down with pros and cons, because because it sounds like the moving is taking a toll on both of you and taking a toll on your relationship.
Starting point is 00:28:46 It's certainly going to take a toll on your career too if you're not careful. Also, having a therapist's input will make it easier to have these sorts of conversations without one party feeling blamed or having fingers pointed at them. And even if things do get stressful or get heated, you can always get through it and then just blame the therapist once the decision is made. And at least you'll have made up your mind about where to live. So best of luck. You've got a few adventures ahead of you.
Starting point is 00:29:09 and I don't blame you for wanting to set down some roots and stay in one place, at least for a little while. Let us know where you end up. Last but not least. Dear Jen, Jordan, and Jason, I'm a successful, moderately attractive woman by society standards with friends and hobbies, but I have a growing problem. I get constant unwanted attention from men. It goes beyond getting cat called daily. I dread simple conversations with men because they'll inevitably say, you're so pretty or you're so sweet, etc., which makes me uncomfortable. I also can't seem to hang on to male friendships once they realize I'm not interested in dating and or sleeping with them. I've even had three stalkers, one of which I'd never even spoken to, and had to stop
Starting point is 00:29:50 seeing certain doctors who would compliment my looks. Unfortunately, the men who approach me are either emotionally abusive narcissists or approval-needing attention seekers, or some combo of the two. I've also noticed it's starting to impact my ability to have friendships with other women, for example, like when a guy they're into talks to me. But the worst part of all this is that I'm demisexual, and nobody can seem to grasp the concept of a strong, beautiful woman who's largely put off by sex. Is it possible to wade through all of this and find someone I'm actually compatible with? Or is this just a curse I'm going to have to accept for being conventionally beautiful?
Starting point is 00:30:26 Sincerely, accidental heartbreaker. Well, wow, wow, wow, I'm so beautiful, my life is so hard. Well, I'm kidding, of course. I know that's what some people are thinking here, but I'm messing with you. I think the problem is that that's what some people hear when you try and share this problem, hence my hilarious joke about this. But I do feel for you here, honestly, first off, I think unwanted attention from men, often in ways that are not appropriate, is pretty common.
Starting point is 00:30:51 Guys just can't help themselves. Even though some of what you're saying has happened, especially with the doctors, that is so cringe and inappropriate. Just what a weird thing to do if you're a doctor? Like, what are you thinking? Being approached by narcissists and stalkers is also fairly standard, I think, for many women, unfortunately, especially in the age of the internet and dating apps and everything. I do understand why this affects your friendships with women, and jealousy runs rampant with many people, both male and female. The demisexual thing is new.
Starting point is 00:31:20 I had to Google this and ask some therapist friends about this. For the rest of us, a demisexual is a person who does not experience sexual attraction unless they form a strong emotional connection with someone. It's more commonly seen, but by no means confined to romantic relationships. So someone demisexual might come across as prude or strange in some ways when it comes to relationships because the sexual attraction to others is very fleeting. Relationships are really never about the booty. And while this might seem like an advantage to some people, I can see why this makes your dating life much more complicated than normal.
Starting point is 00:31:55 The good news is that you can, of course, find somebody that you're compatible with. In fact, your path with dating will largely be like most of the rest of us. You'll just have many more relationships start off as friendships, as opposed to swiping right on Tinder or getting hit up on Bumble or whatever. As for being conventionally beautiful, congrats on that curse. It's probably not helping, but at least you can enjoy the confidence in occasional free appetizer that comes with it. Being attractive doesn't have to be all about dating.
Starting point is 00:32:22 I'm married. I don't care about dating at all, but of course, it still wants some status that comes with being physically attractive. Who doesn't want that? Your looks can still be an advantage, and the unwanted attention is, unfortunately, I think, pretty universal, especially for women, and it's just as bad for women who are not demisexual as it is for you. You may see fewer advantages to it, and that may indeed be true, but I think anyone who has to switch doctors because of unwanted attention would say that sexuality has very little to do with it and more to do with the fact that that guy is a weirdo. In your situation, I'd simply dig in, realize your future
Starting point is 00:32:56 relationships will be rooted more strongly in emotional connection and rooted in friendship more than most people who meet and have immediate chemistry. And while this may complicate things early on, it will probably make your long-term relationships that much stronger. Life Pro Tip of the Week, instead of spending a day shopping, spend a day cleaning out your closet. First of all, it doesn't take a day. It takes a few hours. Depending on how bigger closet is, I suppose. You'll find clothes you didn't realize you had. You'll rediscover old favorites you thought you'd lost. Plus, it's free, and all the stuff you don't like, you can donate and get rid of and make room for new stuff. I see a lot of people shopping, and obviously we're all guilty of this.
Starting point is 00:33:33 You buy new stuff. You throw it in the closet. Three years later, like, oh, yeah, this. You don't have to do that. You can just go to the closet and skip the middleman. Skip the middleman that takes your credit card. Jason, what do you recommend this week? You've been watching some stuff.
Starting point is 00:33:46 I recommend Wrong Man. It's on Stars, and season two is coming out now, so I saw the billboards, and I'm like, what's that show? And then I looked it up and it originally aired in 2018 on Stars. And it is a series about a team of experts re-investigating cases of three inmates who have been locked up for decades and claimed they're innocent. And I didn't know about it, but I kind of dig that sort of thing. I'm a huge fan of the Innocence Project. And, you know, it terrifies me sometimes to think that people are in jail for something they didn't do. So this kind of clicked with me.
Starting point is 00:34:18 And we watched the first two episodes last night. And it's amazing. It's amazing. The second two are with somebody you may have heard of, a guy named Curtis Flowers, who is now out on bail because of this show and a podcast. And, you know, it's just people who are just trying to get to the truth. And I tell you what, man, in the first one, they found the cop who actually put the guy away. And they found the informant, like his testimony was key. And the guy basically completely recanted on camera.
Starting point is 00:34:47 It took a polygraph, which we kind of know is bunk. But he took the polygraph, but he also made an affidavit saying, yeah, the cop told me to say this. And so that case is ongoing now. They've got a new defense attorney for him. It's pretty fascinating, like the lengths these guys are going to to get people out of jail who are probably innocent. It's an awesome watch. I highly recommend if you can check out the old episodes on Stars.
Starting point is 00:35:11 The first season, like I said, six episodes, and the new season is coming very soon. Yikes. Wow. That whole false conviction thing is frigging terrifying. Dude, I've had nightmares about that. I'm like, I didn't do it. Well, you're going to jail anyway. I'm like, I don't want to go to jail.
Starting point is 00:35:25 Yeah, so scary. Unless I'm going with Jordan on his birthday. That's right. That's right. Yes, one exception. Exactly. Yeah, that stuff freaks me out. It's just nightmare fuel.
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