The Jordan Harbinger Show - 601: Should I Marry My Dying Girlfriend? | Feedback Friday

Episode Date: December 17, 2021

You've met someone who checks your boxes for marriage material, but there's one problem: medical issues may mean they've only got three years left to live. Should you propose and hope for a miracle? We'll examine this and more here on Feedback Friday! And in case you didn't already know it, Jordan Harbinger (@JordanHarbinger) and Gabriel Mizrahi (@GabeMizrahi) banter and take your comments and questions for Feedback Friday right here every week! If you want us to answer your question, register your feedback, or tell your story on one of our upcoming weekly Feedback Friday episodes, drop us a line at [e-mail]. Now let's dive in! Full show notes and resources can be found here: jordanharbinger.com/601 On This Week's Feedback Friday, We Discuss: You've met someone who checks your boxes for marriage material, but there's one problem: medical issues that may mean they've only got three years left to live. Should you propose and hope for a miracle? Your spouse went on a quest of self-improvement, and now follows a so-called "life coach" who dispenses what certainly seems to be a steady buffet of snake oil with an exorbitant price tag. How can you wake them up to the fact that this is probably a scam? You have three years before you're able to retire from teaching -- a job you once loved, but students, parents, the community, and the administration are more entitled and demanding than they were when you first started. Three years seems like forever to endure a job you now hate. What can you do to make it to the finish line intact? You've received a sizable inheritance, but you understand how quickly money dissipates when you try to throw it at every problem you want to solve. Are you wise for wanting to use the money to create multiple streams of income so you are able to help people more confidently in the future, or just stingy? As a freelance consultant, how can you set boundaries that ensure you're not working for hours more than clients are willing to pay? Have any questions, comments, or stories you'd like to share with us? Drop us a line at [e-mail]! Connect with Jordan on Twitter at @JordanHarbinger and Instagram at @jordanharbinger. Connect with Gabriel on Twitter at @GabeMizrahi. Sign up for Six-Minute Networking -- our free networking and relationship development mini course -- at jordanharbinger.com/course! Miss our two-parter with former Westboro Baptist Church spokesperson See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Welcome to Feedback Friday. I'm your host, Jordan Harbinger. As always, I'm here with Feedback Friday, producer, the Poppy Chulo who takes you to schoolo. Gabriel, that was the dumbesting name that I've ever come up with for you. Gabriel Mizrahi is also here. On the Jordan Harbinger show, we decode the stories, secrets and skills are the world's most fascinating people, and turn their wisdom into practical advice that you can use to impact your own life and those around you. We want to help you see the Matrix when it comes to how these amazing people think and behave. Our mission is to help you become a better informed, more critical thinker so you can get a deeper understanding of how the world works and make sense of what's really happening, even

inside your own mind. If you're new to the show on Fridays, we give advice to you and answer listener questions. The rest of the week, we have long-form interviews and conversations with a variety of amazing folks, from spies to CEOs, athletes, authors, thinkers, and performers. This week, we had Spencer Roberts on greenwashing. In other words, why those labels you see on sustainable foods like dolphin-safe tuna and other products. Those are often fake. I didn't know this. They're used to launder the reputations of big corporations in many cases, which is terrifying and sad. We also spoke to Meta World Peace, formerly Ron Artecest, who you might remember from the malice at the palace. You know that guy who jumped into the crowd and punched a fan at an NBA game,

and it turned out to be the wrong fan. It wasn't even the guy that was messing with him. It's one of the black marks in NBA history. I'm not a sports guy, so of course with the conversation took a different turn. We spoke about mental health. not letting our past define us quite an interesting character that met a world peace. So make sure you've had to listen to everything that we created for you here this week. Gabe, what's the first thing out of the mailbag? Hey, Jordan and Gabe. I'm a 41-year-old guy living in the South,

and I recently left an 18-year marriage with a woman who caused me to distrust all women. The marriage also caused me to only view women as short-term relationship material. Then three months ago, I met a woman who checks all my boxes for what I'd want at a relationship. Now I'm debating marrying her, but there are a couple problems. First, she has some serious medical issues that might make her lifespan three years or less. She's also shared a lot of things that trigger her PTSD, which makes a relationship with her difficult. I'm such a mess, guys. Should I marry her with no expectation of how long I'll have with her, or should I just walk away? Signed, till death do us part or make a new start. Wow, that is quite a heavy question. Really, really sad.

It's basically a grown-up version of The Fault in Our Stars or whatever. What was that movie about the kids with cancer who fall in love? That's the one, The Fault in Our Stars. Yeah. That's exactly what it's like. I don't watch movies like that. I can't, but, you know. That's the one where Shailene Woodley and that guy from Baby Driver literally make out in Anne Frank's attic at some point.

Oh, so cringe. That scene was so bizarre. That's why I don't watch those kinds of. Well, no, that's not why. But that's one of many reasons why I don't watch movies. It's not just the Anne Frank makeout scene. No, no. It's not the Holocaust sexualization part as much as it is the everything else that makes me not want to see it.

Fair enough. Yeah. Well, let me start by saying this is an incredibly tough choice. You meet someone who you really want to be with, but they only have a few years to live. In one way, that makes the whole relationship more meaningful, weirdly more romantic. It's incredibly tragic, but the tragedy almost makes it like more touching. But in another way, I understand how something like this would give you pause. Like, do I really want to sign up for this kind of heartbreak?

Is it even fair to get involved with somebody who's going to die soon? Yeah, I'm starting to see why they make movies about this kind of thing. This is high-stake stuff here, right? First of all, we have to talk about your past for a moment because there's obviously a lot going on there. You were in a relationship that caused you to distrust all women and to only view women as short-term relationship material. We'll get to that in a second.

But now you've met this woman. You've done a 180. you want to marry her despite her serious health issues. Now, that might actually reflect a lot of growth on your part, and if so, that's great news, but it does seem like a pretty extreme shift to make. Putting your girlfriend aside for a moment, if you had just written to us about your previous marriage,

I would tell you, work through that experience, figure out what went wrong, why has it led you to have such a negative view of all women, which is just unreasonable, of course. Whatever went wrong in that marriage, I want you to get super clear on that. I would want to get super clear on that if I'm you. Because if you want to have a successful relationship with anyone in the future, whether it's this new woman or someone else, you're going to have to unpack these complicated beliefs of

yours. And I can promise you that whatever they are, they're showing up in some way in your current relationship. So my advice, go to therapy. No surprise there. Start talking about this. Do the forensics on your marriage. You got to do a post-mortem on this thing. You have lots of of good reasons to work on these parts of your life, especially given this huge decision that you're facing now. All right, now we can talk about your girlfriend. So this is fascinating. Obviously, the health stuff is just front and center. If you marry this woman, you're committing to a short marriage, taking her through these serious medical issues dealing with all of the responsibilities that that entails. That's a big role to play. I'm not trying to talk you out of it right off the bat. I just think

we have to recognize that this is a lot to take on, for anyone to take on. And I guess I'm saying this, not just so you're clear about what you're signing up for, but also to appreciate what that commitment would mean for her. If she has a really rough few years ahead, she's going to need a partner who truly loves her, who's not going to run away halfway through or bail at the last moment or stick around but kind of like quietly resent her and make her life even harder. if you get married, you both need to be on the same page about how you feel, how you're going to deal with everything that the next three years brings up, because I think you know it's probably

going to be frigging devastating. Although it could be very powerful to be there for somebody literally until the end of their life. Man, Gabe, that is so intense to think about. So intense. That is some real life-ish right there. But here's the other thing. Your girlfriend isn't just dealing with her medical stuff. She also has PTSD according to your letter. And that is obviously sad, and I hope she's doing okay, but she has some work to do here too, because it's clearly an issue in your relationship. I know that might sound weird to say about somebody who's going to die in the next three years. Maybe her health stuff makes the PTSD just like a footnote in the bigger picture. But I guess I'm confused about how good this relationship actually is, because you could

have said that your girlfriend has PTSD, but you're happy to help her work through it, or that it's a challenge, but you love her, so it doesn't matter. But that is not what you see. said. What you said was, she has PTSD, and that makes a relationship with her difficult, and yet she checks all your boxes? So my advice, and you're probably going to notice the theme here, is you need to dig into this stuff. I would get very clear on why you are in this relationship, and whether it's actually a healthy relationship for both of you, and what's drawing you to commit in a bigger way despite these very significant issues. Gabe, it's interesting, man, he almost has to put aside the huge question of her lifespan to be able to see this

relationship clearly, because I get the sense that her diagnosis, and this sounds weird, but hear me out here, it's almost eclipsing all of these other issues that he'd have to acknowledge in a typical relationship. Like, it's almost, like, this is such a big thing that you can almost gloss over all the other actual problems, or it's causing him to overlook the other problems because he feels badly for her, which I guess I can understand, but that is not going to make either of them happy at all. No, it is not. That is such a good point. Her diagnosis does feel like the main issue here, but it's also kind of obscuring all of these other real issues. Issues that ultimately will determine if this relationship is even a good one. You know, timeline and lifespan aside.

You know, Jordan, I'm still thinking about what you said earlier about the fact that he went from only viewing women as short-term partners to now wanting to get married. you're right. Maybe he has grown and if he has fantastic, but the reality is he is considering marrying a woman who will be dying in the next three years. This relationship, it has a very real expiration date. I know this is super sad to say out loud. I do not mean to be callous about it whatsoever. But if you were looking for a way to commit to somebody without really having to commit, then choosing someone who's going to die pretty soon, that is kind of a great way to do that. I mean, it is possible that he hasn't changed that much since his marriage ended. He's just found another person whose medical issues make her exactly what he wants, which is, in his words, short-term relationship material. The only difference is he's not just treating her that way. She is that way. So it's not as obvious that he's dating somebody who fits that template because he's thinking

to himself, well, look, this is her health stuff. I mean, this is out of my hands, right? But the fact is, he's still choosing her. And I got to say, it does seem meaningful that the only woman he wants to move forward with in a real way since the divorce is the one person who unfortunately won't be around for very long. Yeah, I had not thought of that, but I think you're on to something. I mean, we don't pick our partners by accident, right? This is like a subconscious thing. That's what I was getting at earlier when I said he needs to unpack what happened in his last marriage, because whatever that was,

it's definitely showing up in this new relationship. But what you just said, I think that might be the thing that's showing up again. Yeah, I think it might be. When he says that she checks all of his boxes, I believe him. They might be compatible in a lot of ways, maybe even some really, really special ways. But I wonder if one of the main boxes that he's looking to check is the ability to have, you know, one foot in and one foot out to sort of be able to commit to somebody. But to also know that in three years, you know, if things go the way he thinks they're going to go, then he might be free again. And look, I just want to be super clear about this. I'm not saying that his feelings for this woman aren't real or that he doesn't have good intentions. I think he does. But I do think that all of those

things are also being informed by these feelings and these beliefs that he doesn't fully appreciate. Those feelings and those beliefs, they go back to his last marriage, as you pointed out, but they almost certainly go back further than that, as they always do, right, to childhood and all of that. And until you get in touch with that stuff, it's kind of impossible to resolve the conflicts that are holding you back from a real commitment or that are causing you to put people in the same role time and time again, which in your case is basically intimacy, yes, but intimacy with a shelf life. Yeah, you nailed it, man.

Look, you've got some work to do, my friend. We're not saying you shouldn't marry this woman. Maybe you should. Maybe it would be a really special three years for both of you. But you need to know why you're making this commitment and why it's with this person. There are still issues in this relationship that y'all need to address no matter what. But the fact that your girlfriend only has a few years to live, that introduces a whole other set of stakes here.

So I would make sure that you're ready for that and that you can. can really be the partner that your girlfriend deserves. I'm really sorry that you guys are facing this intense diagnosis, by the way, that's got to be super sad and overwhelming sometimes. But I also think that with the right approach, it'll be very clarifying. So we're thinking about you guys. We're wishing you the best. And you know who doesn't have a problem committing? Our sponsors amazing products and services. We'll be right back. You're listening to Feedback Friday here on the Jordan Harbinger show. We'll be right back. When it's time to scale your business, it's time for Shopify. Get everything you need to grow the way you want. Like all the way. Stack more sales with the best converting checkout on the planet.

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This eventually led her to life coaching. She has found one particular life coach that she has gone all in with. About six months ago, my wife started paying $300 a month to meet once a week on Zoom with a life coach who was certified by this life coach to quote unquote work on herself. She says it's helpful. Now she has a strong desire to do the six-month advanced course at a cost of $20,000. I was completely shocked and that's understating it. To give some perspective, this isn't one of the typical situations you've talked about in the past

where a person is on the ropes and they give their life savings to a life coach in hopes of of, you know, turning everything around. We're both advanced in our careers and make good money, and we live comfortably below our means. So it's not that she wants to spend $20,000, it's that she wants to spend $20,000 on what seems like a program that teaches you how to get better at drinking snake oil. But at the same time, I've spent quite a bit of money on my hobby over the last couple years, so I feel like I really can't say no without looking like there's a double standard. Are all of the life coaches like this just a scam? Or is there some legitimacy to them? How does a coach justify $20,000 of value for something like this?

How do I get to a place where I'm okay with something like this? Or should I put my foot down? Signed, looking askance at this song and dance. Oof, yeah, this is a little worrisome. As you know, I'm pretty skeptical of 99% of life coaches out there. It's not that I don't think people should get coaching. I love good coaching. Obviously, this show wouldn't exist if I didn't believe in working on yourself.

It's just that there are so few coaches out there who are actually, actually worth their salt. There's almost no regulation in the coaching industry. The whole field is just rife with bullshit and exploitation. I love that your wife is committed to getting better. We all should be. But I do find it interesting that you guys are already doing pretty well and she still wants to be coached. Sure, maybe this person will take her to the next level and that could be great. But she might also be forking over 20 grand to like a former soul cycle instructor who washed out of that academy and who's just going to tell her to eat freaking chia seeds and start bullet journaling every morning. So I get your concern here. The first thing I would do,

I would really get a sense of whether this coach is legit. And I know that's what you're asking me here. So look them up online, try to find reviews that are not just testimonials on their website. A lot of people don't realize, for some reason, that the testimonials on people's website are not these impartial reviews, right? They're selected. Those are just marketing. Look for stories on independent forums or social media, study the coach's curriculum, if it even exists. Don't settle for like, you know, we're going to supercharge your productivity or develop a long-term vision or whatever they tell you. Look for specific exercises, specific concepts, techniques, assignments. Look at our six-minute networking course, right? It's free. And I'm like, this is drills,

exercises, and practices that will help you create and maintain a network. Go in and do it. And I'm giving you very specific stuff, and this is a free freaking course, I would never get coaching for something that is not specific. I have coaches for a lot of things, but it's like, you're going to teach me voiceover for video games. We are going to do demos. We are going to work on scripts. The end. Not like, I'm going to show you some voiceover stuff.

Send me $6,000. It has to be specific. Also, check out these coaches qualifications. Were they successful in some other field before they began coaching, or have they just always? has been coaching and their main credential is that they coach other people. That's a red flag for me. Sure, there are a handful of just top coaches who have been coaches for their entire career. They're amazing. You know, they might have coached the Chicago Blackhawks and now they're a corporate trainer. That's more legit. There's a record there. But those people are right there

working in the industries they now coach or they've got a degree in psychology or management or some other achievement or accolade. They're trained at reputable institutions. They've consulted for real companies and you can sort of verify this by getting a letter, not just like, I spoke at Google once. That doesn't count. Okay, if this coach your wife wants to hire just has an online life coaching cert and 200 hours of, I don't know, like, what's a Kadiru yoga teacher training or whatever from Bikram? That's a concern, okay? But if she started and sold a yoga studio and then went on to consult for Reebok and some other major fitness brands and worked at Lulu Lemon in corporate, Now, that's a different story, very different.

The other big thing I'd try to suss out is whether these coaches are encouraging your wife to run with what she's learning on her own or if they're keeping her on the tap. Okay, we talked about this in that show, Gabriel, that we did about fake gurus and stuff like that sucking you into their funnel. But the fact that she was doing $300 a month and now they're upselling her to this super high ticket, $20,000, six-month program, I don't know, sounds a little suss to. me, any program that says you have to keep coming back or else you won't be successful, that is usually a red flag. Even the friggin military doesn't keep you in boot camp for more

than a few months, right? They graduate you to different stuff and they don't tell you that you have to do it every single day. I'm much more sympathetic to a program that says, look, this is 20 grand, we teach you everything you need to know, you go off and apply it on your own, we want you to do that, we don't want you to have to keep paying us to see results, even though there is ongoing support. Whereas the program that says, hey, first you do our weekly coaching, then you graduate to our six-month program, then you do our year-long accountability course, and then we're going to spam you with marketing for retreats and masterminds for the next eight freaking years. Those programs are almost always predatory in some way. Yeah, I agree, Jordan. I'm also having

a little bit of a reaction to this coach, pawning his wife off to another coach. She certified. I mean, that doesn't automatically mean that the coach is bad, but I don't know. It just, it sounds like the main life coach she really liked is the face of the brand, and then she sort of farms out clients to different coaches. Maybe so she can scale? It's a little unclear. Yeah, that's a good point. Look, I bumped on that too.

Unless these coaches are rigorously trained in the same curriculum, it's really hard to know if she's even getting the quality that she was promised. That's not necessarily a deal breaker, but it's just one more thing on the list of, okay, that's interesting. And I wonder what the payment structure is like, but that's a whole thing. whole different sort of question. Yeah, where's the, how does the money flow? And also, like, is the woman she initially was attracted to? Is that the person who's doing the TikTok, like the self-help TikToks? And then it's like, oh, I'm interested in your coaching program. She's like, great, I have five people

who do that for me. Right. Here's the schmuck Jordan who got certified two weeks ago by paying 20 grand and now is working for me, right? Yep, exactly right. So while you do everything Jordan said, I would also talk to your wife about why she's drawn to this program in the first place. I know she said it's helpful, but why is it helpful? I mean, is it because she likes having someone to talk about her weak with, somebody who can keep her accountable, maybe somebody who motivates her? Fair enough, but also, is that necessarily something you need to pay somebody for? Or is she finding it helpful because this person she's working with is really helping her. They're helping her do some deep work around her habits or her thoughts or her goals, stuff like that, something that's

leading to something measurable. If it's more of the former, then I would ask your wife if she really, really needs to pay somebody 20 grand to make sure that she's, I don't know, exercising and crossing things off of her to-do list. That is the sort of lowest common denominator coaching that, in my view, you can probably internalize and do for yourself even better. $300 a month to check in once a week. I could see that maybe being reasonable, but $20,000 for the same thing, just longer, I don't know. That could easily be a sales funnel upsell with just no real benefit. But if it turns out that your wife really is generating huge returns from this coaching, like she's getting a big promotion or she's demonstrably happier or more focused, then maybe you'll feel more comfortable with her spending the money. But the thing about life coaching is that you usually don't know if you're going to generate those results before you actually begin. That's part of the hustle. You know what would be interesting, Jordan, if she went to this life coach and said, sure, I'll do the program, but here's an idea. I'll pay you half of the money up front. And then I'll give you, let's just say, like, 20% of my additional earnings above what I'm making now for the next two years, which could easily

exceed the 20 grand that she would have paid in cash. If this coach really stands behind what she teaches, then she'll be more likely to go for that. But if she's like, no, I'll just take the 20 grand things. You know, that would be pretty telling. Yeah, that's a clever idea. I don't know if a coach would go for that because then they're dependent on you to execute the results and then actually pay the overage, which, you know, then they're going to chase you for it potentially. I like where your head's at, it would make an interesting test for sure just to even observe how the coach responds. Like if she's polite but firm about her feet, yeah, fair enough. But if she gets all shifty and defensive, that tells you a lot about her personality or like turns it around

and sort of like blames you for even trying to negotiate. You're negotiating and this is bad. I bet you negotiate with yourself too and compromise your benefit and you're like, well, you get all spun up and you like forget that you're negotiating the price. So to answer your question, are all life coach is a scam? No. But in my experience, most of them are just generic. When I get coaching, I'm getting a skill. I'm getting a real tangible skill. Voiceover. I'm learning how to do something in production. I'm learning Chinese. Right. Some of these coaches are generic, but some are straight up predatory. A life coach can justify charging 20 grand by helping people earn multiples of that, but they kind of have to prove it. Right. They have to have past clients that have all used this stuff

to really juice up. And on that note, you might want to encourage your wife to ask this coach if she can chat with a couple of her past clients and see what they think. When I was selling programs and coaching, people would say, can I speak to past students? And I was like, absolutely. Here's a guy in your area. You might even be able to meet face to face. Here's another guy if you don't click with the first guy or you can't make time to talk. And they were like, oh, wow, okay, you know, these are not easy to find in most guys. But if they're like, no, our clients are all confidential. Not great, right? That's. a dodge, and that's a bad sign. So here's my take. The question isn't, how do I get to a place

where I'm okay with something like this? The question is, how do I assess this program and understand what my wife really needs right now? If you find out the coach really is a hustler, yeah, put your foot down. But more importantly, I would help your wife understand why she was drawn to somebody like this in the first place and how she can seek out higher quality influences in the future. And to help you do that, we're going to link to some articles and a deep dive we did on literally this exact topic. It'll be on the show notes, Jordan Harbinger.com. Highly recommend checking those out, and good luck. And, you know, Gabe, this just occurred to me. I would wonder, and I would ask this, dear, dear writer, is this a program where your wife gets certified to do life coach work?

Because they didn't address that in here, because he might not know, because his wife might actually not have told him. And that's why he needs to look at the curriculum. because a lot of these coaches do this sort of shifty crap where they're like, sign up for this and get coached and sign up for this, and now you're being, it's train the trainer and you're doing this and it's like the sort of implied promise or maybe even explicit promise is you're gonna then be licensed

like the person his wife is working with now to also train other people. It's a freaking pyramid scheme essentially. It's almost like a Ponzi of self-help. But a lot of times when people join these train the trainer thing, they keep it on the low because it's embarrassing. Like she might not say, I'm a little unhappy in my career.

I want to try this life coach thing because I've gotten a lot out of my weekly coaching. It costs 20 grand for me to get certified because that's like, whoa, you're going to change careers, but if she's just like, I like my coaching, let me do the advanced thing. And then she goes through it and later on, she's like, so I did this and I'm thinking about changing careers

because it was amazing and I'm certified now. Dada. So I would find out if there's something else going on in here because it is very common for coaches to sell high ticket items. in the way they justify a high ticket price is they say, you're gonna make like five times this

in the first year of full-time coaching, which is just nonsense because you need to find clients, which is really, really hard. You can reach us Friday atjordanharbinger.com. Please keep your emails concise. Use a descriptive subject line that makes things easier on us.

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Hit us up Friday atjordanharbinger.com. We're here to help, and we keep every single email anonymous. All right, next up. Hey, Jordan and Gabe. I was a teacher for about 15 years until I left the classroom to become an instructional coach, which led to six years in administration. Suffering from compassion, fatigue, and exhaustion,

I made the difficult decision to leave my role as principal to return to the classroom, all in the middle of a pandemic. Now in my second year as a classroom teacher, I'm struggling to not hate my job and resent my retired from teaching husband. My husband dropped to part-time at the end of his career due to stress and then fully retired this year. He struggles with stress and anxiety, so is not really able to support me as a sounding board. Teaching was always my love, but now I've lost my love for the job, and it's super hard to keep up. I hate to blame the kids, but they are definitely different from the ones 15 years ago.

Students, parents, the community, the administration, they're far more demanding, far more entitled than ever before. The problem is, I'm stuck as I have three more years before I'm able to retire. I don't know how to survive the next three years. How do I stay in a job that I do not love or even like all that much? Signed, stuck in home room. This is rough. I feel for you here.

My mom was a public school teacher, a special ed teacher for many years, so I know sort of first-hand slash second-hand, I guess, how tough this job can be. Gabe, it's so interesting how she thinks the kids and parents are worse now than the ones 15 years ago. I feel like that's probably true. Just based on those school district meetings or those board meetings or whatever you see on YouTube where parents are screaming and like throwing things at school board members about like masks or curriculum not including or including evolution, whatever it is. Like it's just always nonsense.

But maybe it really is true across the board. Teachers have it hard, man. They have to deal with so much crap on top. of the super important job of, you know, like actually educating our kids. My hat goes off to all of you. Anyway, you're stuck in the classroom. You don't know how you're going to get through the next three years. I assume you have a pension coming after that,

which that is probably a good reason to just stick it out at this point. It's kind of what most teachers are working toward, but maybe things are so bad that the money isn't even enough to make you feel like you'll make it. So if you're going to get through the next three years without slapping a fourth grader, you're going to have to invest in other parts of your life. And not that you're not doing this already, but first, you really do need to have a rich life outside of the classroom,

where you can decompress and channel this frustration, the exhaustion and healthier ways. I would find a hobby, tennis, gardening, friggin macromay, whatever that even is. I've heard of it, but I don't really know it. It's braiding things, I think. And who doesn't love braiding things? Find the piece you're looking for in the classroom

in your own life. You know what this reminds me of Gabe? Remember that federal agent who was like, I have five more years and my life is meaningless. I just do the same crap every day. Nothing I'm working on is important. And we told him to find meaning outside of the federal building. Like volunteer a bunch and make your jobs

or your secondary thing. This is sort of similar. I would also make a conscious effort to invest in your close relationships. You know, a few good friends, maybe even a fellow teacher or two, your husband, who you said you're kind of at wits-end with, but it's not from the sound of it. his fault. We do have to talk about your husband for a moment. You said he's not really able to support you or be a sounding board due to his own stress. I have to think that's what's making this situation

harder. If I were you, I would try opening up to him about what it's like to be going through this without his support, what you could use from him to get through the next few years, but also maybe what you could be doing for him, what he wants from your marriage. You know, he's stressed, he's anxious, you're disillusioned and burned out. It sounds like there's a bit of a gulf between you two these days, and you guys would both benefit from talking, from listening to each other, coming back together. We could probably talk about your marriage for 45 freaking minutes here, but I'll just leave it there. Invest in your primary support system. That is going to be huge. It's also possible that your time in the classroom won't get much better. And let's be honest,

You can't fix all these kids. You can't tell their parents to be kinder. You can't change the environment and the system and the world they're raised in. All you can do and you can control is how you respond to it. How much you let the toxicity affect you. How much responsibility and compassion you realistically can take on, it's possible that you need stronger boundaries to get through the next few years. The most important boundary being,

I will not let this crazy environment drag me down or make me miserable or keep me up at night stewing in resentment. I'll just be the best teacher I can be. That's all I can do. Also, keep perspective. I know three years sounds like a long-ass time, but it really isn't that long. As miserable as you are now, you will be thrilled when you can retire. And maybe you can start thinking about how you want to spend your retirement and start working towards that now. I bet that'll help you cope with the craziness. If you want to do bike tours, buy the bike, start training now. Grab that Pelotan, whatever. If you want to do cooking classes in Palermo, Italy, fire up friggin duo lingo or email me. I'll refer you to a Italian teacher. Start doing Italian for an hour a day. By the way, I'm not learning

Italian. I don't need, I know people that sounded confusing. I know language teachers. I got good companies, but I can refer anybody to pretty much any language. If you want to guard it, start reading up on different plants and soils or whatever you need to know, just develop that green thumb. Whatever it is, I wouldn't wait for your retirement for the fun to begin. Just start planting the seeds, maybe literally if you go with gardening. I think you'll find the relief you want so badly. It's actually accessible to you in some form right now.

You just have to make the effort to seek it out. And I bet it'll be a lot easier to survive a classroom full of screaming kids and conferences and debag and debag. parents, if you just know that you're going to go home to a life that you're actually excited about. So start focusing on that and good luck. And also, if I were a teacher, I would cut a bitch. So I understand where y'all are coming from. Like, I've, I have seen and heard so many horror stories from my mom. And this was like the 90s. And it's definitely worse now. I understand you. I understand that this is like people are at their wits end and don't want to do it and want to

get out and can't wait. I feel you. So we're with you. So we're sending. you good thoughts and hugs here from California. By the way, if you're joining us for the first time or you want to tell your friends about this show, we've got the episode starter packs. These starter packs, they're collections of your favorite episodes organized by topic. They'll help new listeners get a taste of everything that we do here on the show. Go to Jordan Harbinger.com slash start to get started, and we've got Spotify playlists in there as well. All right, what's next? Hey, Jordan and Gabe. I'm a 21-year-old college student, and my grandpa passed away last year, which led my dad to inherit around $250,000.

His death then caused my dad to slip back into alcoholism, which ultimately led him to pass away earlier this year. It was a surprise and a huge blow, as we had gotten quite close since he sobered up a few years ago. Unexpectedly, his passing led me to inherit most of the inheritance that he had just inherited. I've been struggling with guilt about receiving this money, as my dad only had it for four months,

and I haven't really earned any of it. All of this has led my husband and me to have conversations that I never thought would come up so soon. For example, if and how we would help family or friends without enabling them, as I have seen happen quite a bit in my family. Growing up, I always thought that if I were financially stable, I would be quick to assist anybody I could. But now I find myself being stingy with the money, not wanting to touch it until I get older and living a pretty modest lifestyle.

I realize the money can be spent very quickly if it's not used correctly. I'm open to investing it or using it to start. a side thing, like an Airbnb or a rental property. My husband is an accountant and has been very supportive throughout the grief and the probate process, but he's much more open to giving it away and helping people, especially his family. Am I wrong for wanting to use the money to create multiple streams of income so we are able to help people more confidently in the future? Or am I being too protective and stingy with the money? Signed, worrisome windfall. Wow. Well, this is a pretty wild turn of events. I'm so sorry that you lost your grandfather and your father, especially

your dad, do that. Alcoholism, that is incredibly sad and sudden. You're obviously very fortunate to suddenly have this money, and I think you know that, but some really tragic things happen for it to come your way, and that always sucks. It just does. But here we are. You have an amazing chunk of change to work with, and you're asking a really great question. So let's get into it. First of all, that guilt that you feel, I totally get it. It's true. You didn't do anything. to earn this money in the traditional sense. You might always feel conflicted about that, but the best thing you can do, the only thing you can do really, is accept the absurdity of coming into such a large amount of money and make a promise to yourself that you'll use it responsibly. I think that's how

you can sort of earn it, so to speak, by becoming a good steward of this gift, which I know you want to do. Now, I have to say, I think your approach to this money is right. This is what I would probably be doing with it too, just being conservative. If you put this quarter million into a rental property or an investment portfolio or a college fund or a reliable side business, no life coaching, or any sort of smart long-term asset, you'll be setting yourself up nicely. That's good. That's the prudent thing to do. You won't regret being careful with this money now rather than sinking it into like a crazy kitchen reno or spending it on clothes and a car and stuff like that. But those are my values. That's what I think is important. Nice things are fun, but they don't mean as much to me

as creating meaningful experiences and investing in my future security and stability. Okay. And look, it is nice to help your friends and family if they need it and if they deserve it. But you're right, when you come into money, a lot of people might start hitting you up. And that can easily tip over into enabling like you've seen happen in your own family. If your uncle wants you to bail them out because you spend all of his money at the frickin' dog track or your cousin who's on her ninth career is like suddenly, I want to be a private investigator, like whatever, or she wants to get a coach to fix her problems, I don't think it's unreasonable to say, sorry, I can't subsidize this, I need to take care of my

family and pay for education for my kids or whatever. But if your mother-in-law needs like 10 grand to pay for knee surgery so she can walk again, That's a very different story, obviously, and that's worth considering. You'll have to make these calls for yourself, which let's just acknowledge, that is definitely a weird position for you to be in, no doubt about it. And part of you stepping into this new reality is making peace with the fact that you'll have to make some potentially difficult decisions sometimes, and you might not make everybody happy all the time. But anyway, my point is, I don't think any of this makes you stingy. I don't. I think it makes you responsible. The fact that you didn't go straight to the dealership and

snatch up like a Maserati or whatever, that says a lot about you. I'm happy to hear that. And you're right, this money can disappear really quickly if you don't use it wisely. Fair or not, earned or unearned, this is your money, and you get to do what you want with it. So that's my advice. Be smart, be thoughtful, think long term, and know that it's okay to use this money primarily for you and your family. That's why it was given to you and not to other people. The hardest part will probably be the disagreement with your husband about what to do with the money. You guys will have to have some heart to hearts about what the money means to you, what your goals are as a couple, what your priorities should be, and you need to get on that same page. Since you're married, I assume that the money belongs to both

of you legally and practically, so you'll have to sort of, well, you'll have to sort that out. And if you guys are totally divided about what to do with it, maybe you can, compromise. Maybe you take, I don't know, a fifth of it and you help his family and the rest you put into an Airbnb property or an IRA. That would be one way to honor both of your needs and take care of your loved ones while also taking care of yourselves. I do want to say congratulations on ending up in this position, but that feels like the wrong word. Like, yay, you lost two family members in close succession. Not great. What's the word for congratulations when you didn't do anything to earn something and it comes about through tragedy? I don't know.

Just enjoy it. When you stumble into the situation like this, not so much good luck. The only thing you can really do is make the most of it and be grateful. Your gratitude will make you appreciate the value of what you have, and that'll usually lead you to the right decision and the right choice. Good luck. You know what is a great use of funds, inherited or otherwise? Supporting the podcast by supporting the sponsors who make it possible.

We'll be right back. This is The Jordan Harbinger Show, and this is Feedback Friday. We'll be right back. And now for the conclusion of Feedback Friday. All right. Next up. Hey guys. I'm the office manager and big picture person at a very busy therapy practice.

My boss is a hugely talented and insightful psychologist who's well respected in our area, not only for her elucidating assessments, but also for the time she gives families and their support teams, so they understand the diagnoses that she's giving. In her pricing, we build in a 30-minute post-assessment consult. However, the amount of time she spends working with families far exceeds that, sometimes upwards of 15 to 20 hours more, all for free. Some families just ask and ask and she keeps on giving, her product being her expertise. She's an angel, but it never leads to more referrals, and it doesn't make her happy or

build her brand in the way that she wants. I'd like to help her examine this tendency and establish clearer boundaries as she expresses distress at the amount of time she's giving away. What's your take on this as master relationship builders? When does consulting turn into giving away the milk for free? Signed, finding the ROI when the well's running dry. This is a great question. As you know, I talk all the time about investing in other people, not having an immediate

expectation of return, not being attached to a return, because that really is the best way to build meaningful relationships. It's also, in my experience anyway, one of the best ways to be happy. Whether it's at work or in your personal life, being generous as a matter of of policy, it just makes life more interesting and more fulfilling. So I guess in that way, it's also kind of selfish. But there's a caveat to that principle. And the caveat is to be generous up until the point where it's compromising your own security or your own happiness. If helping other people is putting you out, putting you at serious risk, and by that, I mean, it's causing you to

neglect your own needs or you lose a bunch of money or a bunch of sleep or you sacrifice your health, then it's time to reassess how much you're giving away to other people. You still have to take care of yourself. You can't abandon yourself in the process of serving other people. Now, it's not clear whether your boss is actually suffering because of all this free work she's giving away, but you did say it doesn't make her happy. She's distressed, so that might be a sign.

It's time to recalibrate here. The other caveat to being super generous is that you still have to be generous with the right people in the right ways. So if you're giving away a ton of time and expertise to people who just don't even appreciate it, or they don't even use it, there's nothing meaningful done with it, they don't reciprocate in some form over the long term ever, then it's possible you're investing in the wrong people. That's more of a global thought for everyone listening right now, not so much only for your boss.

She's a doctor, these are her patients, the terms of that relationship are very specific. But yes, you're absolutely right. Your boss does need to look at this tendency. If she is giving away 15 to 20 hours of consultation to each family for free, that does seem excessive. You said she's an angel, which is a great quality given that she's there to take care of people, but I do wonder if being an angel is another way of saying a real people pleaser who doesn't have boundaries. Maybe she's afraid of letting people down by saying, I'm sorry, but I offer 30 minutes of consultation, and after that you'll have to book another appointment.

And I might be reaching here, but you'll have to decide if there's some truth to this. Is it possible that she's giving away her time and expertise as a way to feel needed or valued or to be seen a certain way by her patients? And if any of that is true, it would be great if you could ask her why she feels compelled to give away so much time to her patients. What's making it so hard for her to put her foot down? Why does she feel drawn to being so involved with her patients' families? She's a psychologist.

She's trained to understand the importance of boundaries, how they allow for the right kind of care, how they help protect the clinician. So she should be willing to look at this. And if you can help her see that giving away so much free work isn't just making her unhappy, but it's also not serving her practice, since it's not leading to more referrals or building her brand,

you might get her to see this in a totally new way. Which would be such a great gift for her as a clinician, because I'm getting the sense that she's so wrapped up in this way of doing business, that she can't even see this clearly. But if she's determined to keep giving away this much free consultation to people, then I wonder if there might be ways to make that investment more valuable for you guys. So, for example, what if you helped your boss turn these consultations that she's doing into case studies?

And then you could post those case studies on the website so new patients who are considering her practice can see the kind of work she does, how she approaches her patients, how involved she is with her patients, what kind of result she gets. That would be a nice way to pay this off, or here's another idea, if your boss wants to publish some articles in psychology magazines or journals, or maybe she wants to write a book one day, maybe she could draw on some of these consultations for material, for the book or for the article, or she could follow up with the families she consults with after a month, after two months, maybe six months out, ask them how they're doing if they need anything, and maybe just throw in there,

hey, would you mind leaving me a review online? That would be a huge benefit to the business. point is, whatever you decide to do, I would think about how to translate this woman's incredible care into something more tangible for the business. I think that's completely fair. Her patients probably aren't going to do that on their own. And look, to be fair, it's probably not on them to find ways to pay her back because, as Jordan pointed out, they are her patients. So the relationship has pretty fixed terms. But it is on you as the big picture person, the strategy person here, to get creative. So I would work with your boss to figure out what aspects of her brand she actually does want to build, how she could actually get more

referrals out of this work, and then work backward to connect the dots between the free work that she's doing and the benefits she wants to see. All of that said, though, your boss definitely needs to look at those boundaries. There's obviously nothing wrong with being a compassionate, generous doctor. I wish there were more of them out there. But if she's giving away dozens and dozens of hours and not getting anything in return and she's miserable, then yeah, I do think that's a sign that something needs to change. And the way that you can approach that conversation with her is, you know, you could say something like, I see you giving away so much of your time, I know how much you care about your patients, I get that this is coming from a really good place. But I also know

that you're not happy. You're not happy as a person. You're not satisfied as a clinician. So let's figure this out. I have some ideas about how we can make this more sustainable for you, how we can generate some more value for the practice. But we should also talk about how much time you can really afford to give away. And then you can be your partner and you can be your friend. and you can help her look at some of this stuff more closely. Yeah, great point, Gabe. I think the answer is a combination of both, setting stronger boundaries,

but also maximizing the value of her generosity, which is what all great relationship builders do, no matter what industry they're in, they're deliberate, even while they're being thoughtful. If you can help your boss get there, I think you guys will find a way to be generous without giving the milk away for free to the point of exhaustion.

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