The Jordan Harbinger Show - 61: Shaun T | 7 Transformational Principles for Living the Best Life

Episode Date: June 28, 2018

Shaun T (@ShaunT) has become one of the most recognizable fitness trainers in the world while running programs like Hip Hop Abs, Insanity, and Shaun Week. He's also the author of T Is for Transformation: Unleash the 7 Superpowers to Help You Dig Deeper, Feel Stronger, and Live Your Best Life. What We Discuss with Shaun T: Why Shaun T believes in living life with truth, trust, and transparency after decades of hiding in the closet about his sexuality -- and how most of us are in the closet about something whether we realize it or not. What Shaun uncovered about his own patterns of behavior by going to therapy. Looking at our life as a series of turning points, and how we can use those turning points to continue moving forward. Using our anger to motivate us instead of hold us down. Why we often keep ourselves down so others around us won't get angry or jealous. And much more... Sign up for Six-Minute Networking -- our free networking and relationship development mini course -- at jordanharbinger.com/course!  Like this show? Please leave us a review here -- even one sentence helps! Consider including your Twitter handle so we can thank you personally! Full show notes and resources can be found here.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Find Conspirality on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to the show. I'm Jordan Harbinger. As always, I'm here with my producer, Jason DeFilippo. On this episode, we're talking with my buddy, Sean T. Author of T is for Transformation. Sean T is one of the most recognizable fitness trainers in the world.

If you've ever done a beach body workout like insanity, you know who I'm talking about. We actually met at a conference called Thrive run by my friend Cole Hatter. It's kind of funny because I was emceeing the event and I had like seven minutes to eat lunch, get back up and get back on stage. So I inhaled salad. I inhaled a bunch of all this healthy stuff. And then I went, you know what? These oatmeal raisin cookies look good.

I've been really good the whole weekend. And I grab a cookie and I turn around and there's Sean T. And Cole goes, hey, Jordan, meet Sean T. He's going to be up after lunch. And I'm like, oh, and I'm holding this cookie in front of the world's most. Yeah, exactly. And I didn't even mention it. I took a bite of the cookie too.

And I was like, oh, yeah. I'm into fitness. And the thing is, I didn't know what to do with the cookie. So I just reflexively just shoved the whole thing in my mouth at that point in time. And I was like, yeah, all right, I'm into fitness. Fitness cookie in my mouth. So Sean's life, unfortunately, was not all smiles and upbeat workouts set to music, though. He went through a lot.

He realized if you're holding something back, it's holding you back. And that you get stronger unpacking the baggage, not shoving it in the closet. it. Today, we'll discuss looking at our life as a series of turning points and how we can use those turning points to continue moving forward, as well as using our anger to motivate us instead of holding us down. Speaking of which, we'll also learn to understand why we often keep ourselves down so that others around us won't get angry or jealous. There's a lot in this episode, all this and more today here with Sean T. And of course, we've got worksheets, as we always do. So for today's episode, if you want to make sure you solidify your understanding of all the key takeaways here from Sean T. that link will be in the show notes at jordan harbinger.com slash podcast all right here's shanty

actually when you and i met that you're like pretty you're pretty stable on the stage doing the workout of course you're doing workouts but you're also and when you speak you're speaking but you're not like i'm a charismatic speaker and then now i'm just going to be this weird quiet like you're kind of you're shanty 24-7 all the time when you walk into my transformations Center, the top three words of truth, trust, and transparency. I'm literally the definition of what you see is what you get. And I really, I have this thing where I say to people, I'm like, I just don't have the time. I literally do not have the time to be fake or not even necessarily fake to be different in one area of

my life than another because I'm not in front of the camera. Like, I'm not acting. Like, this is who I am. And so it takes. It takes a lot of work if I've met you and I was like, I want to be like this. And then I get on stage and I'm like, I want to be like this. And then I go backstage and I meet other people and I want to be like, I'm like, who has the time for it?

I'm like, I don't got all that time. I'm like, I'm very happy with who I am. And I say to people, one of the greatest joys about life is that not everybody's going to like you. And I'm not saying that you're a mean or horrible person. I'm just saying that you could literally be the nicest person in the world. and there will be people that don't like you. So if you can look in the mirror and like yourself,

then that's the only person that needs to like you. And there will be a bunch of people that like you. And there will be a bunch of people that don't like you. And so I just found it to be very comforting living in the world in the mind of Sean. And it feels really great. And I don't have to go, you know, and change who I am other places. And I really, really wish that for people because I do know a lot of people who I know a lot of people. First of all, I'm going to say it like this.

I was, I had to come out as a gay man, right? So there was a large portion of my life where I wasn't being who I really was. It wasn't necessarily disclosing the 100% truth of me or the entire history of me at that moment. And so I know what it's like to quote unquote live in a closet. even though everybody's in a closet about something, trust and believe in it. I mean, I say to straight people, it's so funny. Like, you know, the straight gay thing is, it is what it is. But I do say, I use it as an example.

I say to straight people, I'm like, yo, walk around and make everybody think you're gay. Like, do you know how hard? I'm sure that I could do it, but it would be, it would not be comfortable for me at all. Yeah, but like, if you're a single guy and you're a single heterosexual guy, and you're like, I'm a, I'm a walk around. I'm going to let everyone, I'm going to try to act until everybody that I'm gay. All the girls that met you when you eventually come out and say that you're not gay are going to be like, I don't believe you. And you just pass up on great opportunities to meet amazing people.

And so I just say that it's such hard work to try and act like something that you're not that you should really just be who you are. I see it on social media. I'm not going to say any names, but I know people, people who I know personally reveal postings and create and show that they're living this life. and that they're so in love with this person or their husband or their wife or whatever. And they just texted me like five minutes ago how they having all these issues. And I'm saying, I'm not saying you need to air your dirty laundry, but it's okay to be vulnerable and it's okay not to lie about who you are because the more you show of yourself, you know, within reason, things that you can work through, the more people are going to relate

to you on a deeper level. Not that you're not necessarily going to gain more followers or get more attention, but the people who are already invested in you as a friend or some sort of confid or whatever, they're going to appreciate you even more because they're going to connect to something that maybe they might be struggling with. No, I agree with this a lot. One of the struggles for me has always been, okay, you've got to market yourself online, but I like being transparent because if you don't ever show that you have a shred of. human in you and everything is always, I'm superpowered, I never fall down. People will look up to you for a while, but then they kind of go, I don't know how much I relate to this guy, because as much as he is this superhuman who has got a great business, then never fails, they can't really connect with you that strongly. There's always going to be a barrier because they go, well, you know, you never make

mistakes, but I do. Because we're always comparing our own blooper reel to everybody else's highlight reel, especially with social media. And so, if you think that the other person doesn't even have a blooper reel, then you just put a wall between yourself and that other person. And I wasn't going to start with this story, but you said, yeah, I had to come out as a gay man. How did you come out? That must have been, this is absolutely not where I plan to start the interview, but why not? How did you do that?

Because you grew up with, you know, your grandmother and stuff like that and this sort of, like, with your mom and all that, and then he moved to L.A., but like at what point were you like, oh, crap, I'm not a straight man and this is going to complicate my life. I think I was 21. I was like almost in my last year of college. No, I was like, yeah, I was like maybe I was in my third. Maybe I was in my third and a half year in college because I went for five. But I just remember that I was living at the time with my boyfriend, right?

But I was telling everybody that he was my roommate. You know what I mean? Because it's easy to get away with. You live with a guy. It's your roommate. You know, nobody's going to question it. That only gets weird when you're like 30. And it's like, are you sure you're.

roommates, you know, or like 45 years old. Right. You sure you guys are roommates. We always see you together. You guys are pretty close. Right. You're like roommates. Yeah. But, you know, at that age, I was just like, you know, oh, it's my roommate's my roommate. But for some reason, I'm telling you, my grandfather, who was a pastor, I don't know what kind of six saints he had, but I remember that my quote unquote roommate at the time had to run to my grandparents' house to grab something. I left something there or whatever. And so he walks in and my grandfather says to him, we need to talk about the relationship you have with my grandson. And my grandmother stepped in and was like, oh, no, Charles, like, he's here

to pick up something for his girlfriend. And it's fine. Like my grandmother was trying to cover for me, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. I hadn't come out to my, I didn't come out to anybody yet, but I think my grandmother was like, she could have known or whatever, but she was just like, we ain't going there right now. And this guy, this 20 year old dude is like by himself, 21 year old guy is, like by himself in a Christian household. Like, it was crazy. But then he came home and told me that. So I actually reached out to my mom and I was like, you know, why would he say something like that? Like the first part of it, when I, the first conversation I had with my mom after that incident, I was like, why would he say something like that? Like, you know, I was like very, very, like,

defensive about it. And talking to my mom, I remember I was having a conversation with her in the park, in the driveway of the house. When I was talking to my mom, yo, she was like, yeah, I don't know why. Like, I don't know why he's tripping, but, you know, people are who they are and whatever. Like, she wasn't like, well, you better not be gay or, you know, she didn't say anything like that. She was just kind of like, yeah, I don't know why he would say something like that.

People are people. And I was like, cool. So then, like, maybe a week later. I don't even know if I was able to last the week because it was really heavy on my mind because now I'm really walking around my family with like this weight on my shoulder. And I think that everybody, you know, I think they all think I'm screaming like, you know, flying a rainbow flag around the cat of town. So I mean, it's so much more dramatic than what it really was. But then I remember saying to my mom one day, I was just in I was at my grandparents house and everyone was there. And my mom came to the top of the steps to say something to me.

I just was like, hey, can I talk to you for a second? And she was like, cool. And my mom is like, mad cool. You know, you could literally tell her anything. And she's not going to flip out. So I felt kind of comfortable telling her that. But, you know, then this story gets a little deeper here. So I walk in a room, we sit down.

And so she was like, you know, what do you have to talk about? And I was like, but I started out this entire process telling her how I was sexually abused as a kid with the guy that she was with. And so it was like very heavy. a very heavy night because I wasn't just coming about coming out about the fact of being gay. I was coming out finally telling someone for the first time that had been molested, let alone telling my mom, let alone telling it my mom, it was my step monsters, what I call them, you know, and they weren't together anymore. It was just crazy. But once I got to the part of me actually being gay, she was like, she said to me, she said, you know, Sean, I really didn't know.

She's like, I really didn't know. She was like, I know you are. She's like, you've had girlfriends. You had this. She's like, I did have a friend come up and ask me, you know, is Sean Gay or whatever? And my mom was like, I don't know. She was like, I really don't even care. But she was more interested.

Then she tried to get all nosy up in my relationship. She was like, so what you're doing when you go home? That didn't take long. Yeah, she was like, what are you doing when you going home that night? Do y'all be doing it? Like, I'm telling you, my mom is crazy. Like, I'm just being very transparent. I was like, mom, what are you talking about?

Why are you asking me these questions? But that conversation, being able to talk to her like that and about opening up about other stuff that happened in my life, really opened my mind up to be brave in so many more situations. Because I really only cared about what she and my brother thought. Sure. I mean, my grandparents, I knew they were going to love me anyway. They're Christian folk. They just, you know, my grandfather would just like prayed over me and annoyed at me, you know, and the holy ghost. But he wasn't trying to like pray the K-OA and all that stuff.

No, he just was like, you know, we didn't have a conversation. Like he just kept saying we need to have a conversation. But I'm like, what are you going to say? Because let me tell you one thing. I did not choose to go this path. I mean, it's a great path. But I'm just saying I didn't choose to be the outcast of society. So I was like, I don't quite understand what you're going to say or what the Bible is going to say.

And I'm not getting all like religious here. But, you know, truth be told, my brain. has me attracted to guys. And so that's what I'm going with at this moment. But it's crazy. But I mean, you know, it is what it is. And I'm very happy to be, not necessarily like I'm happy to be gay, but I'm very happy to live in the life that I live and I'm married to like literally one of the most amazing people on the planet. And, you know, I'm blessed with two kids and our family is really great. And I do have some fans or people who weren't fans. I say fans, but fit fam is what I like to call my fans. I have had comments of people saying, you know, I started following you because I saw a picture

of your babies and I thought they were really so cute. And then I found that it was, they were babies of a same-sex couple. And prior to following you, I didn't approve the same-sex couples, but you really taught me that you guys love them the same. You have, she was like, I think the comments that's something like, you know, you could teach a lot of heterosexual couples about what it's like to be in a relationship with, you know, kids. So, you know, I do know that I'm making an impact on being, you know, a gay male. And, you know, it's, it feels really good to just be able to help people understand. I'm not trying to change people's mind about, you know, what gay is or whether they need to approve of it or not. I'm just saying that this is me and this is how we live.

and I wake up every day to help people enhance who they are. And if that, if me being gay makes you turn away and you can't, you know, accept the fact that I'm here to make the world a better place, then I'll see you when you come back because trust and believe you will come back. Okay. So either when that happened, a huge weight was lifted off of you and you changed a little bit. But if you had the same sort of voice, mannerisms, everything that you did back then that you have now, I think it's so obvious that you're not a straight guy.

that I can't believe nobody in your family knew. You know, it's just like what you're around. And I mean, really, at least back in a day on TV, the gay stereotype was like way flamboyant. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, turned up to 11. Yeah. Yeah, it was like way, way, way on another level of whatever.

So I think that I wasn't prancing. You know what I mean? Like, I just don't, and there's nothing wrong with that because trust and believe, you know, the kids, what we like to call the other gay, the gay queens. The kids are lit. And if, I mean, you know, there's so many levels of gay. There's like really flamboyant, really feminine. And then there's super masculine, like guys that you wouldn't even know or think about.

So I think it depends on what your perception of gay is, you know. Yeah, I guess if you pay attention and you have exposure to a lot of folks, you kind of see things that will open up your eyes a little bit. but if you do come from that religious background and it's your own kid and you're not necessarily looking for it, maybe you kind of write off a few things here and there like, oh, well, he has a lot of female friends. So he likes the same things that they do sometimes or, you know, oh, he's just a little bit more of a... You know what I mean? You know how they used to see that.

It's like, he's the man. He's a Mac. Like, he got all the girls. It's like, no, I'm just trying to kick it with the girls. It's like, kind of. You're listening to the Jordan Harbinger show with our guest, Sean T. Stick around and we'll be right back after these important messages. Thank you for listening and supporting the Jordan Harbinger Show.

To learn more about our sponsors, visit Jordan Harbinger.com slash advertisers. And don't forget to check out our Alexa skill. Go to Jordan Harbinger.com slash Alexa or search for Jordan Harbinger in the Alexa app. Now let's get back to Jordan and Sean T. But you know it's interesting. I don't, first of all, I don't rank or judge or necessarily count. my friends, but I don't have, I mean, I don't, you know, I'm not one of those people who only has gay friends or only has straight friends. I mean, if I meet you and we cool and we

click, then I'm like, word, like we can do it. You know, I'm not, so I think that was the other thing. My, my best friends in high school, I mean, maybe, I don't know, maybe because they weren't allowed to be out, but my friends who were in high school even now, they were straight. And I'm not saying that, you know, being an athlete constitutes you as not being gay. but I was, I played sports. Like I did the whole thing. You know what I'm saying? Like I did the whole quote, quote, jock thing.

So it didn't necessarily line up with what I think my family. I'm sure there other people out there was like, yo, Shantzie, yay. I'm like, I wish you would have told me earlier because I would have been like, yes. I mean, like, you know what I mean? You know what I would have been so free. But, you know, it is what it is. You held it back. And you say in the book, if you're holding something back,

It's holding you back. And tell us what you mean by that because it seems like you held something back for a really long time. And in turn, I'm assuming that it held you back. Like you said, you would have felt so free if you'd known you could have just come out earlier. Yeah, I think, you know, if you're holding something back, it's holding you back. So have you ever been, have you ever been sleeping and you've been in a dream and you want to wake up or you want to yell on your dream and you can't say anything? like that's the feeling when I say if you're holding something back, it's holding you back. You feel so stifled.

And if like some people don't understand that if you don't free yourself from the thing that you're trying to hide, you literally feel imprisoned. And if you wake up and you just accept who you are and you say this is me or this is my struggle and this is what I'm going through and you work toward making that better, as tough as it is to get over that first hurdle of self. acceptance. When you get to the other side, it is literally the most freeing moment. But if you don't accept your past, you're going to be stuck in your past. And the reason why things are holding people back is because they literally let it hold them back because of fear, which is obviously false evidence appearing real, because we can't predict the future. And so, you know, a lot of times when something's holding you back, you literally are keeping yourself stuck in a past situation. You know, I'm actually speaking at an event on Saturday about victims of rape. And they

told me, you know, they were like, we really want you to speak to the audience because you, you know, in past years, it was, everyone was like, like, really sad. And every, you know, we cried the whole time that, you know, a keynote speaker spoke. And so because for me, I say the uncomfortable part already happened. I'm like, listen, for me, my sexual abuse happened. I had to come out. That already happened. I'm not going to continue to live in a space that's been holding me down. You know, consistency over time equals results. If you consistently stay in the same spot, the result is going to be the exact same. But if you try to move forward and you accept what it is and you can, then you can start to break down the barriers that, like, break down the pieces of whatever it is

that's been holding you back and understand it a little better. But you got to shatter that, you got to shatter that piece of glass that's like holding you down. So you can start break it into pieces and separate it and deal with it one by one and you will move forward and you will feel free. Is that what you mean by saying you get stronger by unpacking the baggage, not by shoving it in the closet? You know, I say, I'm like, everybody's in the closet. closet about something. So it's so funny when you, when you, when you, not you

necessarily, but when people, you know, in the gay world, people would say, like, when did you come out? Like, that's actually one of the first things that people ask, especially back in a day when guys would meet because it wasn't so prominent to be gay or whatever. It's like, when did you come out or did you come out? But so it's funny. But I say everybody's in the closet about something. But I mean, listen, I'm going to go here like this, because I'm going to tell you something. I'll talk about in my book because I'm a transparent. But what I say, what I mean by, you know, stuff and things back in the closet. And the reason why I say that is because I was in a, we call it a midget football, like back in the day.

It was like when I was really young. And it had been a time where our team had made it to the state championships. And we were in a championship game. And I had gone to the bathroom on myself and a number two. And the reason why I had gone to the bathroom of myself is because I would, hold in my, I would hold it for a week until I couldn't hold it anymore. And the reason why I held it in for a week because I couldn't hold it anymore is because my first sexual abuse experience was a grown man trying to penetrate me, you know, trying to rate me. So I immediately, like,

subconsciously would never want to, I would never want to go to the bathroom because that, that feeling reminded me of like what somebody was trying to do. You feel me. You get it. Yeah. And so So what I did was I finished the game and I was on the bus ride home. I went to the bathroom actually on the field and on the bus ride home I was like so embarrassed. I tried to like sit in a way back in the corner. I had to put like stuff over me so that I could smell me. And I got home and there was this small little gray suitcase in my brother's closet and I took my underwear off before I went and, you know, took a bath or shower or whatever. And I put it in this thing and I put it way in the back of his closet so nobody would see it.

and years later, my brother actually found it, was like, what the fuck? You know? He found your crusty number two filled underwear in his place. Exactly. And he's like, I don't remember putting this in here. Right. But you know what? Here's the thing.

I always knew it was in there. When I was in there playing with my brother over the years that it was in there, I knew it was in there. I was always thinking about it. And so it, in it, you know, I would be having a blast and we'd be playing Nintendo or we'd be playing whatever games that you play with your brother. other, but in you, I would be having fun, but I still subconsciously would always be eye in the closet. And when he would leave the room, I would go in the closet and be like, did he move that

suitcase, you know? And so I say all that to say, that's what happens in your life when you try to stuff things in the closet that needs to be revealed. Because it wasn't until that was revealed that I was able to feel free. Did I say it was because I was molested at the time? I was like, know, but the fact that he found it and it was like, what was that? And I think I actually denied that it was mine. But the whole point is once that was out of the closet and that situation had been dealt with, I was just like, I felt so much better. Now I could actually go on my brother's room where we could have fun and I wouldn't be thinking about the, you know, crusty underwear. But, you know, moving forward, just kind of like quickly going back to the conversation I have

on my mom today to not only come out as gay, but come out as, you know, letting her know that I was sexually abused that day. Like, I was stuffing all that into the closet. And that's why I tell people, like, everybody is going through something. There is not one person in this world that hasn't gone through some sort of struggle. It is a part of life and it happens. And I personally don't feel like one is bigger or smaller. Like for somebody, it could have been that they failed.

The only thing that could have ever happened in them that was traumatic was that they failed their first SAT, right? To then that was traumatic. familiar with sexual abuse, but you know what? We all have our own experiences and we take those experiences and it affects us in different ways. But it's what we do with them and when we start to accept them and open the closet to pull the suitcase out or to admit that we didn't do good on our SATs, that we are able to actually start to move forward and to make progress and change because we don't have the weight holding us down. So you kept that abuse story for years,

your step monster, your stepfather. You kept that story to yourself for years then. For a year. Let me tell you something. It happened when I was eight. I didn't tell my mom until I was 21. I moved out of my house when I was 14. And I moved out of the house because I wanted to get away from him in that toxic environment.

He was an alcoholic. He was an abuser, verbally and emotionally abuser to my mom. And I moved out. And I just kind of created this little plan to my grandparents. I was like, you know, I'm 14 now. and you guys are getting older, I would totally be an amazing help around the house. Like, I do whatever you want. And you know, it sounded good because my grandmother was 60 when I was born.

So, you know, she was 74 years old. My grandfather was 76. And so to them having me around the house to help lift stuff or to, you know, get stuff in a crawl space or whatever the case may be was enticing to them. And so everyone in my family, and this might sound shady, but. Everyone in my family thought I was leaving my house where my mother and my brother and a step monster live to go help my grandparents. I'm like, oh, my God, you know, that's so nice. But really, I was like, I'm getting that fuck out of here because this is crazy.

And I held up my end of the bargain and I got a job. I worked at Chuck E. Cheese. And I made the honor roll. And I got grants and scholarships to college. And, you know, I did my part. I did exactly what I said I was going to do. I even went to church three times a week. I had to go to church on Sunday.

I had to go to church on Wednesday prayer meeting. And I had to go to church on Friday or Saturday for choir rehearsal. I'm just saying that even though I said I left, you know, my home, it's not that it just necessarily became easier. And that's where I learned my work ethic from. I'm like, if I'm going to change my environment to make my life better, then I need to hold up my end of the bargain. And that whole experience of being able to come out from being sexually abused

and looking back on everything I did to maneuver my way through the situation to end up where I am now. I feel really blessed because there's a lot of people who went on to sexually abuse other people and they're in jail and they have a lot of emotional issues because they weren't and didn't have a mom like mine that they felt free enough to say something or their family shutting them away for being gay or whatever the case may be. I do feel good. And so for anybody out there, it's going to be really hard to come out of the closet for whatever you're in the closet about. It's going to be really hard to unstuff that baggage. But I'm telling you right now, at the end of the day, you might lose people because they don't agree with what and who you are right now. Or they're going to be mad that you actually were brave enough to say what you had to say. But the thing that you are going to do is attract people who believe in you and attract people who actually love and care about the person who's transparent because they can see through it.

You know, at the beginning of a musical, if you go to Broadway, a lot of times there's this thing called a. scrim. And so imagine if they left the scrim down the entire time. And a scrim is basically like a screen door. Like this amazing show is going on behind it. But it's slightly, it's not as visible because there's a screen in front of it. But when they lift up the screen and the show starts, you see clear the lights on. You see the colors. And that's what you will do to your life if you actually deal with the past and unstuffed the closet. You're going to start to see in color. You're going to start to live in color. And when you do that, you will be able to actually make goals and progress very clearly.

This pattern that you had, though, persisted. The baggage that you had shoved in the closet metaphorically really persisted. I think you mentioned during another talk that you had given that even at night, you would wake up, or even as an adult, at night you would wake up and pick a fight with your boyfriend or something like that around the same time that your step monster would come in the room. And you realized at some point that this was a pattern that you had developed and you would You literally would wake up at that time and then start some conflict inside your adult

relationships years after you probably thought you dispensed with all this. Yeah. So I thought that the side effect of my sexual abuse had been over. I actually had been to therapy about some things. So I was like, cool. I was like, I'm fine. But then when I met Scott, who is literally like the love of my life, he's more than that. But it was crazy.

The insecurity had like really heightened a lot, but not during the day. Like during the day, I was like, cool. You know, I was exercise and working, going to class, you know, doing whatever I had to do. But it was every time, like, not every single night, but almost every single night, I would wake up around 2 o'clock in the morning just like, I don't even know if I was dreaming, but I would wake up around that time. and I would be so utterly emotionally, like emotional and negatively emotional. And I would be, I would take it out on him.

I would be like, I'm having these feelings because you don't love me. I mean, this is horrible. This is like the most horrible experience I've ever had in my life. But Scott would like literally just be like, okay, like, let's deal with this. And I would be blaming him. He's like, yo, I was just like sleeping. And then I just said, I need to go back to therapy because I need to know why this is happening. Because I know that Scott isn't doing anything. He's doing nothing. But I went to therapy.

And so through therapy, she was like, okay, so like, you know, what are you feeling? What does it feel like? And we got through it. And I remember having a revelation. And I said, oh, my goodness, the same time that I'm having these emotional attacks was the same time that I was molested as a kid. It was the same exact time. And it was just the craziest thing. And that was literally, and to truth be told, I was actually writing my book at the time and went. I was the first time I was going to, I had started writing my book. And I remember when I started going through that situation, I stopped writing my book because I was like, there is something deep going on here. And I refuse to try to put out motivation when there's something holding.

me back and I can't be, you know, fully transparent and I stopped. And then, you know, six years later, I ended up finishing my book. Do you think it was a result of the realization that this pattern existed that allowed you to move past it? How did you fix that pattern? Because you said you'd already gone to therapy. At what point did you go, oh, okay, I'm doing this. Now I can shut it off. The point where I fixed the pattern is there was one point where the same feeling came over me during the day and I recognized it. And I don't know why the feeling came during the day. I think because I had missed my therapy session like a couple of days before and I knew I wouldn't see my therapist for a few more days. And I think I was kind of like in a cycle of whatever, what was bothering me.

And I remember feeling it during the day. And I remember I had never called my therapist on the phone. She was always like, call me if you need to, call me if you need to. And I was like, I'm never going to need to call you. I was like, I'm setting the schedule. But it was, um, it was a time where I felt it during the day and I needed to call her. And I remember that was the moment where I called her and I was like, oh my gosh, I actually recognize when that feeling is coming. And from that point forward, it was not to say that I didn't, it didn't dwindle off, but if I woke up in the middle of the night, I would more be able to deal with the situation myself, deal with that, that, um, that emotional struggle. and not bring Scott into the narrative. Right on. So you had to go through this in a way that allowed you to break the pattern. Like you said, without struggles, there are no happy endings. But sometimes, a lot of times these struggles actually break our relationships.

And in T for transformation, you actually go into how to use our anger to motivate us. And I know that what you were going through wasn't necessarily just anger. But can you take us through this? I love practical drills and exercises. And I would love to hear how you advise some of your clients and friends to use any anger they might have to actually motivate themselves and move forward instead of getting stuck in the closet. A lot of people have this struggle because they get really mad or they're frustrated that they don't get results or whatever the case may be. And my biggest and one of my favorite analogies to give is on the tennis court. A lot of times when people play tennis, when they go to hit the ball, they stop swinging.

because they want to get the ball in and they become really tense and really sort of I'm looking for it. They just become really tense and really tight. And then what happens is they don't finish a swing and a ball goes flying. But one of the things that I do is I find my aggression.

I find that thing that makes you want to be proactive. I find that thing that makes me, for lack of a better way, of saying it, angry so that I could actually be forceful and really go after it. And so if you've been through something, a great way to get through struggle is to actually invite the anger. Because a lot of times if you start crying or if you're really mad,

first thing someone says to you is, oh, don't cry or don't be mad. I say to people, if they're really mad, I'm like, you know what? Be mad. I'm not saying be mad to the point where you are rage. But I say, yo, be mad. Understand what that emotion is. Because if you actually connect to that emotion of crying or connected at an emotion of anger,

you're more apt to understand where it's coming from. Because most of the time, if you get into a fight with your spouse or a best friend after the fight, you feel really bad and you have to reflect. But imagine if you just kept, you know, holding back and holding back and holding back, then you're building up extra anger. You're building up extra stuff that doesn't need to be there. But if you have a situation where you need to get it out, once you get it out, you're like, okay, I can think more clearly and I was able to utilize.

lives, whatever I was feeling in that moment to help me better myself and to actually go back and almost say, I don't need to feel that way again because this is the real reason why I was feeling that way, which takes me to, in my book, I talk about it's not the thing, it's the thing. A lot of times when we fight and argue with people, it's like, you know, a spouse is like, well, you didn't put down the toilet seat? And I'm like, are you really mad about the toilet seat or are you mad that we didn't have sex for two weeks? You know what I mean? Like, these little things are starting to bother you where they wouldn't really bother you if other things were going well.

And so, anyway, I say all that to say is anger can be a great tool for you if you understand where your anger comes from because it'll help you literally reflect and build on the thing that actually got you angry in the first place instead of just the emotion of anger. And it helps you, you know, a lot of people when they work out and do insanity specifically, I'm like, it's so hard. They're like, I cuss you out, Sean. I'm like, great. If you cuss me out, that means you're doing it right.

Utilize that anger to get through it. Utilize that adrenaline to push yourself forward. Hey, fingers off that skip button, buddy. We'll be right back with more from Sean T. After these brief announcements. Thanks for listening and supporting the Jordan Harbinger show. Your support keeps us on the air. For a list of all the discounts from our amazing sponsors, visit jordanharbinger.com

slash advertisers. And if you'd be so kind, please drop us a nice rating and review in iTunes or your podcast player of choice. It really does help us out. If you want some tips on how to do that, head on over to jordanharbinger.com slash subscribe. Now for the conclusion of our interview with Sean T. So on the flip side of that same coin, you teach these classes and you've got your own life and your own stuff going on. How do you compartmentalize things in your life and not bring them into your classes and your performances. Like, let's say a hangover if you drank or a bad day or a bad week or you're fighting with your husband or something like that.

How do you keep that out of, how do you keep that drama out of your performances and your classes with the other, the clients that you have? When I first started teaching class, the first thing I realize is that when I walk into a class or if I'm teaching a large group of people, it's not about me. That hour or 45 minutes or whatever class I'm teaching is not about me. So I'm totally able to walk into when I'm speaking or when I'm teaching a large group of people exercise. It's not about me. I'm not trying to get motivated.

I'm more trying to filter out that same thing that I'm going through off the stage. It's like what superpowers that I use to help me maneuver my way through that? And I literally take that and I give it. to the audience. So I don't necessarily believe that you can be effective if you're trying to fix your own issues while trying to give to other people. But I do believe that if you're transparent enough to know that you're going through something, you can utilize, you can utilize a struggle to help other people with their struggle. It's a way of being completely, I use the word transparent a lot, but it's a way of being completely transparent, but also to be able to pay it

forward. And to be honest, because I do let go of the, because my class is never about me or my events are never about me, it literally gives me a free space to not take that energy back home either, you know, when I go do a live event, even if I'm extremely exhausted, I'm like, okay, cool, I'm going back home. I'm going, you know, I'm going with my family. I get to go hang out with Scott and I just leave the two things separate. But, you know, like I said, you still utilize some of the struggles or strengths that you gain outside of either space to help the other space. You know, sometimes I get off stage and I feel so great that I was helped actually seeing people be successful that even if I was, you know, in a fight with Scott or whatever, you know,

I'm like, you know, it's really not that big of a deal. Like I just helped. Someone just told me that they lost 120 pounds, and they told me their entire story. I'm like, we're arguing about something that's so trivial, right? So it just puts a lot of things into perspective. Speaking of transparency, I know you're big on that. And you have an exercise in T is for transformation, one of which is search out the shame. Can you take us through that a little bit? This is, why is this important?

How do you do this and how did this help you? searching out the shame is basically searching out and admitting to like what insecurities you could have in your life. A lot of times we act out because we, a lot of times we act out because we're not great within. One of the things that I had to go through in terms of shame, even though I was the one that was sexually abused, I felt as though because I was, keeping it a secret from everyone, my mother specifically, as I got older, I felt guilty like I was having an affair with my mother's spouse. Now, imagine how crazy that feels. Oh, yeah. I didn't think about it like that. Yeah, like I was the victim, but because I'm not telling her this is happening, I'm, you know, I have to almost like, here's the shame part coming up,

but I have to almost make myself enjoy this so that I can get through it. How shameful is that? And to then go downstairs and see the same person, you know, give me your mom a kiss when he's not drunk, you know, and this whole thing. And I'm just like, I can't believe I'm letting this happen when he just did that to me. And it's horrible. It is a terrible feeling.

But when you know how you feel and when you search out the shame, you can free yourself, man. Like, you can free yourself. so greatly. And I just want people to know that it is literally okay to have shameful moments. It is, it happens to everyone. And the only person you really have to admit to is yourself because then you are the foundation of where you can go with whatever it is that you reveal to yourself anyway. You know, once you search it out, once you realize what it is, again, it's like what we talked about before. You are no longer stuffing it.

in the closet, you know, you can almost get rid of those insecurities and you know where things come from and you know where to place them in your life. And some things stick with you. Like, I was 50 pounds overweight. That's why I actually started this journey. It sticks with me. I still have the stretch marks. You know, someone commented on my stretch marks in my photo the other day in a great way. She was like, I'm really happy that you showed at. I'm like, listen, the only reason why I can help you lose weight personally. And the only reason why I personally can help you be transparent and help you try to live your best life is because I've been there and I'm not trying to hide the fact that I've been there. So we examine our insecurities and maybe we journal them, but we don't

have to write them. We don't have to wear them on our sleeve. We don't have to flaunt them around all over the place. They're really just for us. Yeah, you know, I see a lot of people on social media who are trying to build their following or maybe they're taking a group of people through some sort transformation and they just sit there and they tell their story. And I'm like, instead of telling your story, talk about what you learned. You know, I feel like if you constantly show that you're learning and you're still learning every day, like you can, you can really just attract people. And you just, it just becomes more clear about what your journey is and where you need to go. And the best person to know that is you. So coming out with our own insecurities and having those

at the forefront of our mind so we can attack those, it sort of dovetails a little bit with something else that I saw in the book, which you call the discomfort development plan. Can we relate this to something non-fitness? Because I know your beach body, fitness, superstar, but a lot of people are thinking, all right, fine, I don't need to learn about that.

I'll listen to somebody else about fitness. I don't need Jordan to tell me about this. Can we do a discomfort development plan discussion that has nothing to do with losing weight or getting in shape? Yeah, so just to be fully transparent. Your favorite word? Yeah. So in order to develop who you are, you have to take a step-by-step approach to learn who you are. And it has nothing. I'm going to tell you a secret, which is not a secret anymore because I've been talking about it. I do not enjoy working out every single day. It is so whack. So it's not meaning like exercise is great for you. But I'm saying what's more important is your life in your business, in your family and things that are helping you thrive. I think, and I hate

to bring up exercise, but I think exercise aids in the release of endorphins. But when you talk about developing who you are, you have to look, you have to take a 360 degree look about who you are. Like, you are the nucleus of your existence. You literally are the center of your universe. And one of the superpowers I talk about in my book is being selfish and positively selfish. And so in order for you to develop a step by step plan and a step by step approach to become a better you, you have to first understand that it's true that the world does revolve around you in such a good way, I mean, because imagine you going to work and you have a negative attitude. That negative attitude is going to filter through everything and everybody in that job. Imagine you coming home from

working, you have a negative attitude. It's going to filter through everything and all the energy in your home. And so you have to be very, very aware of who you are so that you can develop a plan and be able to attack it as needed. So I do go back to it's not the thing is the thing. If you need to develop a plan on being an amazing entrepreneur, you have to know what you're passionate about, things you love, things you don't like,

and you have to go back into the entire history of you and see and admit to whatever you can't commit to your shortcomings and you have to look at the things that you're great at. And so when you do that and you take, take that 360 degree look at who you are, and you're open to that. Again, if you're open to it, because you have to be open to it and you have to accept the realness that you see, you will be able to develop a plan and develop goals and achieve goals that you want so that you can literally not just achieve the goals, but you can thrive in every step

that it takes for you to get to that goal. For the discomfort development plan, one of the notes that you had in the book also is discomfort is risk and discovery is the reward for that risk. What do you mean by that? Discomfort is risk, you know, and the thing is when you are, it's almost like talking about the very first superpower in the book, which is uncomfortability. I mean, if you, a lot of people will see or feel something that they want to go after, but it's so uncomfortable to get there that they don't want to go after it. And so the first thing I say is the.

risk worth the reward. You know, is the risk worth the reward? For me, it was, do I want to leave my hometown at such a young age and move out to L.A. and reroute my life and my forward focus to become the professional dancer that I'm really passionate about? The risk for me was worth the reward because I was so passionate about wanting to be a dancer that it didn't matter if I live paycheck to paycheck, I wanted to succeed at whatever it is that was going to make me happy. And so, you know, just to really simplify it, is the risk worth the reward? Are you, I have a friend right now who actually wants to open up his own business and he's pretty young and he hates his job. And so everything else, everything he talks about is how he's like,

I don't like the job, I don't like the job, but it's comfortable because you're getting that paycheck. But I said three years from now when technology changes and when things change and you're going to look back and say, oh my gosh, you know, I actually, I should have did that. I should have went after that. And my whole point is you have to do it now. If if the risk is worth the reward, you have to get uncomfortable and understand that discomfort is literally your best friend. Every day we wake up and I, and a lot of people, listen, I was on food stands when I was younger, like my family didn't have a lot of money. But I still every single day I wake up trying to find that uncomfortable space because

I know if I find an uncomfortable space, it's going to keep me working. It's going to keep me moving. And I always ask myself, is the risk of doing this worth the reward? Like if I actually fail at doing this, am I going to be happy that I tried? And if the answer is yes, you need to go for it. Because if you do attempt to do something that's really uncomfortable and you go after discomfort, you are basically telling yourself that you're a fighter. You're basically telling yourself that it doesn't matter what happens in your life. You're going to try and dig deep and you're going

to try to be successful. And people like that, even, you know, was I a professional dancer? Yes. But I didn't think that I would be, you know, I'm sitting in my transformation center right now. I'm looking up. I'm like, I never thought I would be on the cover of men's health when I decided to get my car to go across country. That didn't cross my mind. But you open up your doors to so many different opportunities when you make discomfort your best friend. Speaking of being on the cover of men's health, how self-conscious are you when you're a fitness guy and you're taking a photo for the cover of your own book?

The stakes are pretty high, man. It's a nightmare. It is a nightmare because I'm, you know, contrary to popular belief, it's hard for me to stay really ripped. Some people would be like, what do you mean? I work very hard to stay. in a zone. I say in the zone because I'm never only one way. It's so hard to stand the zone. So whenever you get in front of a camera and you have to look a certain way, not necessarily look a certain way, but when you want to look a certain way, you nitpick everything about with that picture that photo looks like. But here's a little funny thing. Add a little humor to this talk. The thing about my book that is annoying is like my favorite part of my body is my ass. So like, I'm like, I can't even show that off.

Like, I just, you know what I mean? Like, that's my favorite asset. You know what I mean? I think everybody in the world has to have a certain part of their body that's their go-to. I call it their asset simply because mine is like my ass. So if I'm like, if I'm not feeling good in the ab area or the arm area or if I feel, you know, bloated in the face or whatever, do you always got to have that go-to part

where you just like, you know what? I'm just going to focus on this. today when I look in the mirror and I'm still good. On that same token, what if we find ourselves feeling like we aren't where we're supposed to be? Or I want to be further along in this. You know, how do you stop those negative thought loops? Because you've got to, I would imagine you're pretty hard on yourself, right?

Because you're on stage. You've got DVDs you got to make. You got fitness programs you got to make. You're giving talks. You know, and you have to be in prime physical condition for all this stuff, but you also have two kids and a husband. How do you avoid kind of comparing yourself not only to other people, but even to other versions of yourself.

How do you get out of those loops? I don't anymore. Like when I was younger, I used to think that I was supposed to be a certain way, but I no longer think I'm supposed to be anything. I literally have learned to accept that this is me and this is where I'm at right now. I mean, I literally, you know, prime example,

I feel really good right now where I'm at in my life. And I posted a photo or a video or something the other day and some woman was like, I like, you know, the insanity, Sean T better. He was, like, bigger. And I was just like, you know what? You ain't going to please everybody. And, I mean, I actually commented her. I said, thank you because I was like, you just basically validated that.

Where I want my, I don't want to say my thinness, but like my leanness to be. So she actually gave me a compliment and didn't even know it. But anyway, my whole point is, you ain't supposed to be nowhere. because you made the decision to be where you are right now. I think that's the problem where people say, I'm not where I'm supposed to be.

Where are you supposed to be? Because if we rewind and take a look at the choices and decisions that you made, then even if for some reason you don't want to be here, you made the decisions to be at this moment. And the good thing is,

now that you're here, you're probably, and you're stressed about not being where you're quote unquote supposed to be, that should like, some fire under your tail and say, all right, I may have to, you know, work harder. I might have to take a slightly different path or, you know, we create these roadmaps to success. But sometimes you got to stop at the coffee shop and meet somebody when you're going down

that road that might help guide you in a different direction or guide you along that path. So when I get on stage, I literally am, I let it go. I let it go. I'm like, listen, I know that I'm going to be anywhere between 188 and 200 pounds. And so now that I know that I'm going to be there, this is my 10 pound, you know, because I can't be super ripped all the time. I mean, that's a nightmare. And I want to say who wants to live like that?

But there are people that I want to live like that. But I'm like, listen, I do not have the time because there are sometimes where a brother goes on vacation and those French fries and I'd like go in. Or it might be some days where it's more than 85% healthy and 15% fun. It might be a good like 25% fun. But, you know, again, it goes back to what we were talking about before. is the risk worth the reward is, you know, me taking a week or so off, I'm not going super, super hard.

Is it the reward of that is being able to relax and relax at home and knowing I don't have to go on a road? It's exciting. So for me, you know, when I say, am I where I'm supposed to be? I'm exactly where I'm supposed to be. When we compare ourselves to others or even ourselves, I think that often stems from people that we're with or maybe the people that we're around. And in the book, you talk about this negative guy that you were dating and how when you grow with a partner, other people might hold you back

because your own growth highlights their insecurity. And I talk about that a lot here on the show that we often keep ourselves down so that others around us won't get angry or they won't get jealous. And I've recently experienced this kind of in too vivid of a way where I split from another business for these exact reasons. How do you recommend people break through that as well? Because I think a lot of us, if we really think about it, there are people in our lives that we're friends or even family with where we go, oh my gosh, I've been purposely not talking about this or not excelling in this area because I don't want that person to feel bad or mistreat me or get jealous or feel bad about themselves. Yeah, I mean, it kind of goes back to what I said before

where you're not going to please everyone. Right. But this. that's hard to feel and realize, right? Because sometimes it's like, well, you're not going to please everybody. What if it's your husband? What if it's your boyfriend? What if it's your mom? Right? It's harder that way.

Yeah, it's harder. And I remember when I lost weight, I would go home and people would be like, oh, my God, you're too skinny. And it would be like, wait a minute. I just went through this entire however long, trying to lose weight and get super happy about who I am for someone to tell me that I'm too skinny and like completely ruined my progress. But you know what?

Here's the thing. It's hard and it affects you. But the thing is, that's the baggage. That's the baggage in your life that you can't get rid of your mom necessarily. You can't get rid of your husband necessarily if you have a great relationship. But that's where you've got to bring communication. And communication needs to be your superpower. Because a lot of times when we succumb to people's, you know, hating of us

and they're unhappy with our happiness, we kind of shut down and we go in a shell. And so you have to start being vocal. It's this is the way you're making me feel when you say this. Because I think a lot of times people, I know, not I think, I know a lot of times when people say things to bring other people down, they're going through their own insecurities, is number one. And they probably don't even realize that what they're saying is affecting that other person at such a deep level. But you have to use communication as your superpower to say, yo, listen. And you know, one thing I learned is soft on a person, hard on a problem.

It's not attacking your husband or your mom being like, I can't believe you said that about me. And, you know, and getting to this big fight, you talk about the problem. Here's the issue. I'm feeling really, really bad because of comment. you know, and really try to help them understand, I'm feeling really bad. So are you going to keep on trying to make me feel really bad? You know, and if their answer is yes, then that's a whole another conversation. But if they say, I didn't really want to make you feel bad, I think you, you know, you lost too much weight.

Okay, so why? Why do you think I lost too much weight? What if I told you I'm very happy and content? And it just opens up a dialogue for you to be a. able to talk to people because a lot of times people just want to write people off. But these people do need to know, these people who are quote unquote hating on your success, they do need to know how it makes you feel. And you don't need to cower down to that feeling. You need to address it because communication for me is the best medicine when it comes to human relationships.

I know that you're big on making your windshield bigger than your rearview mirror. Tell us what that means. This is a really cool exercise that I think a lot of people could stand to do. Your windshield is and should, your windshield should be bigger than your rearview mirror. If you think about the rear view mirror, it is this small thing and what is it doing? It's looking in the past. And wow, you always want to have a moment where you can look back and find successful moments that you have had or struggles that you've overcome. The windshield should be bigger. it should be clearer. You should have great peripheral vision on where you want to go in your life.

Because when you're looking through a rear view mirror, you just, you see things. You see specific things because they already happen. But when you look through a windshield, your peripheral vision should show you not only the lines of the road, but the colors of the trees, the color of the sky. If other people are pulling up alongside of you that you need to know. and more importantly, when your windshield is so big on a nice clear day, you can see further through the distance. And you should always strive to just continue to go down the road, being able to see everything you need to see and always think forward and think ahead, knowing that that small little rearview mirror is where you came from. But you can utilize that to say, look up and say, you know what, thank you for the struggle.

thank you for the happiness, thank you for the challenges, but I'm moving ahead. Because you can never get rid of your past. You can never get rid of your history. But what you can do is use it to propel you forward. So when something has already happened, the only thing you can do is move ahead. So we sort of look at triggers that we might have had in the past and learn to spot them in the future, but not just keep focused on them for the rest of our lives. I said it before.

If you don't deal with your past, you're going to get stuck in your past. And looking through your rear of your mirror, you know you've dealt with. you're like, all right, cool, that's there. Great. It happened. So now I can use these little tools, use these little things to move forward. And the last thing I'll say in terms of that is everyone out there is wearing a secret backpack. If you actually look back and look at all the successful moments you had or all the struggles

you had through each one of them, you've learned something really great. You've learned a valuable lesson, which turns into a tool that you can use to move forward. So make sure you always wear that secret backpack. So you can always pull it out. So when you're looking through your windshield, you can say, all right, cool. I'm going to use this tool. I'm going to use this superpower to help me move forward. Sean, as we wrap, man, tell me about your grandmother.

I know she was a big influence in your life. My grandmother was literally my favorite person ever. She was just always so nice to me. She, you know, she's the person who made me understand that, It doesn't matter the color of somebody's skin. It doesn't matter how amazing they are at their job. It doesn't matter how much money they have as long as they're a good person and a good human. And she was such a good human.

And I utilize just the things that she told me even today when I even hire new people to work for my team. You know, if someone, I'd rather take a good human over someone who. who's qualified or more qualified for the job because I know that I can always work with and be around good people. And I know that they'll be open to change and I'll be open to challenges and it'll be open to making the energy a great place. I mean, literally, my grandmother was just my favorite person in the planet. And I remember when I was shooting insanity, it was a second month of shooting insanity. And she had passed away between the first month and the second month and she literally gave me the power to dig deep. And everyone wants to know, you know,

where's dig deep come from? Well, while I was actually shooting that video, I was also dealing with the loss of the greatest person that I had ever known. And I was able to go out there on that set and really help people push. So when you see me in insanity and I'm talking to the screen, I'm not talking about you really need a six-pack or I'm not talking about how great. you are and how much weight you're losing, I'm literally giving you the power to tell you that you can do it. And I was feeling the struggle, but just in a mental way. And I know that if I was able to do that, when someone's in floor sprints face down, not being able to even hold themselves up in a plane position anymore, I can say you're right there. Keep on going. Keep digging deeper.

Sean, thank you so much, man. Really cool vulnerability. A lot of takeaways in the book. T is for transformation. We barely even got to some of these things because there's so much in there. Obviously, a lot of practicals, you yourself being a trainer of other folks. So I really appreciate your time and your candor and your vulnerability, man. I appreciate you. And let's get together soon. And thank you so much.

And I literally hope people can not just because of what I say, but just being able to reflect on their own lives and looking at the entire history of them and being able to take things that they take their strengths and make them superpowers. Yeah, Sean's a really good dude. I'm glad we got a chance to do this episode. I really, he's a good sport. He's fun. He's funny.

Great speaker. And those workouts he does are really, really bonkers. I mean, this is a guy is dedicated to his craft and deserves all the success in the world. Great big thank you to Sean T. The book title is T is for transformation. And if you're on the fence because you think it might be a fitness book, it's not. It's about his transformation.

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