The Josh Innes Show - Answering A Radio Question

Episode Date: March 13, 2025

Listener Cole, who is a radio dude himself, poses an interesting question about 'Theater Of The Mind" in Radio. I share some stories and some thoughts on being real versus being full of shit. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Glad you guys are listening. Glad you guys are telling your friends. Glad you guys are living your lives. I'm just glad for you. I'm happy for you, and I'm happy that you're hashtag blessed. Presumably hashtag blessed and all that. And we'll just hello, greeting. So I got a direct message from Cole.

Now, Cole is a kid who, I say kid, I have no idea how old he is. I'm assuming he's a young dude, though. He's a kid who was a producer on a radio station here in St. Louis that nobody listened to. and had like 10 listeners. It was like the OG sports radio station here in town on the AM. Then an FM sports station launched years ago, and basically this little dinky station changed hands ownership-wise a whole bunch, and it tried different shit like, hey, we're 590 the man and we're 590 whatever and all this. And now it's nothing.

And they had to fire all the people, which, honest to God, I was shocked they were actually paying people to work there. I thought it was just people paying to be on the radio. But Cole was one of the producers there. he is in Ohio where I believe he's from Ohio, but now he's got a job on sports radio in Columbus as a producer, which talk about, I mean, like, I don't want to say you failed, but failing upward, right? Like you'd think, oh shit, my life is over. I've lost, you know, a job.

Well, actually I forgot. He may have, why I know this, I don't know, but I think he might've left before the station went under. Either way, you go from working in dinky-ass St. Louis, where nobody cares about anything, at a station that the cows don't even listen to, and now you're up in Columbus, Ohio. So congratulations to you, Cole. I always appreciate young radio dudes who still have a love for it and want to make it happen. So congrats. I have no idea how old this kid is.

And I feel weird saying that people are kids, but I am 38 years old. I fall into grown man status. But he asked a question that I will answer for him here. Because I like when people ask me radio-related questions because it is my business. It is things I know. Now, you might think I'm wrong, right? You might think that that's a dumb take, but I have really good insight to this shit because I've been around it my whole

life. So I feel like I can speak on these things and speak on them with elegance, eloquence, whatever it is. Speaking of, I saw a guy that used to listen to, well, still does listen to sports radio in Houston, but a guy that was like a bane of everyone's existence for a long time there because there was this website called HoustonMediaWatch.com. And all of us would go look around and see what these people were saying about us and what shit they were talking about us. And a lot of times, none of it made any fucking sense. And it was just hate-filled drivel. But we'd go look and say oh god what are they saying about us what are they writing about us blah blah blah blah blah but I appreciate the fact that they were at least quote-unquote watchdogs and they were at least people that would uh write about what we were doing and not in just a very benign generic way

it was like dude shitting on us and now looking back on that I kind of appreciate that it's good to have people kind of you know reviewing and critiquing what you do and talking shit but one of the guys there is Lamont who is one of the first listeners that I met because this is random but he had won a contest I think the contest was to go into the to the press box and maybe meet Mark Vandermeer in the press box for a Texans-Titans game. And my first Texans game that I went to as an employee in Houston was a Monday night football game between the Texans and the Titans. And I think that Lamont got a whole special treatment for that.

And then I was able to hook him up with a J.J. Watt autograph at one point, whatever. But I've known this guy now for 15 years, and he's good people. So he was talking about how Houston radio has changed because back in the day and for him back in the day in this case would be like 2009 10 11 12 13 and he's saying it's very boring now and nobody's talking shit he's like for all you young bucks that don't know this shit dudes used to flat out talk shit about each other from the other stations and I said well not necessarily I think some of the guys at 1560 which is now defunct those dudes who had left 610 and those guys who were like in a lawsuit with 610 and were talking shit and would

talk shit about Rich Lord they talk shit then that was already kind of fizzling out by the time I got there and got to um got to 610 but I would talk shit about people but like a lot of other people didn't now you could say whether that's right or wrong or not or if that's innovative or not which it isn't but like I would talk shit about people a lot and I would kind of let people behind the curtain and they he was complimenting me on that like nobody lets people behind the curtain anymore when it comes to radio shit. Nobody's talking shit about other people and nobody's telling you how their sausage is made basically. And Josh used to do that. Now nobody else does that. But it's funny because, and time does this.

Time takes things that people hated in the moment and then makes them speak so glowingly about it. Time does that, right? So when I was doing all this shit, there wasn't nobody saying good shit about me. Go back and read everything that people wrote and still write about me in Houston. It's like, go read a Facebook. If somebody on a Facebook group

says something about Josh Ennis in Houston, a lot of people will just say I'm a piece of shit. But what's funny is all the shit that when it happened, they shit on me. They now look at it and like speak on it so well. Like when Daryl Morey. So when Daryl Morey and I had a back and forth on the phone, which was a very benign thing, like it really wasn't that big of a deal. It happens in New York, Boston, all these places, Philadelphia, all the fucking time. Like GMs will kind of go back and forth with a host. Players will go back and forth with a host. Especially in that era, it was nothing new.

But in Houston, apparently, that wasn't a thing. So when Daryl Morey, you know, and I go back and forth and whatever, it became a story and all these fanboys of the Rockets were shitting on me, saying, how dare you talk about Daryl Morey that way? And this guy's a piece of shit. Yesterday, I see somebody comment and they're like, man, I remember when Josh did that shit with Daryl Morey that way? And this guy's a piece of shit. Yesterday, I see somebody comment and they're like, man, I remember when Josh did that shit with Daryl Morey and it was great. I was like, when Josh did that shit with Daryl Morey back in 2010 or 11 or

whenever that was, nobody was saying it was great, but that's what time does. Time takes shit that everybody was dumping on when it happened. And then like, after like, after having time to sit back and remember that was kind of in the golden era or your great days you go oh shit you know like when I was younger I didn't listen to a lot of like the dad rock shit that I listen to now I knew of it and I heard it but I wasn't as into it you know what song I fucking hated in 2005 photograph by Nickelback and I would sit there and just shit on the concept of this song. Like, you know, criminal record says I broke in twice.

I must have done it half a dozen times. I'm like, we're sitting there celebrating this motherfucker for breaking into the goddamn school. Like, what are we doing? Now, 20 years later, I'm like, look at this photograph. And I'm like fist pumping at the Nickelback show. Sometimes like that nostalgia that you long for makes you view things differently than you did when they were happening. Cause I got a lot of shit from a ton of fucking people when I was in Houston each time. But now it's like, I'll get messages. Man, when Jim was up at the cherry picker, he spied on practice. When that happened,

everybody shit on me for that. Like there's a part of me that just wants to go fuck you where were you motherfuckers whenever all this shit was great and you guys you know everybody was shitting on me on the internet why don't you ride in on your white horse and defend me then you cocksuckers but i'm just easy going about it now and i just say i appreciate it that's nice we did some cool shit but anyway all that said uh let me play a few commercials, and then I will read this question from Cole, the sports radio producer friend child in Ohio. All right, if you're ready to win some real cash during the basketball playoffs,

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A lot of hosts have different approaches to this. Would love to hear your thoughts on the relationship between host and listener in that regard. What is the appropriate amount of behind the scenes the host should let the listener in on and how much to leave to the imagination? I don't really know that there's a ton that you can leave to the imagination anymore because it's 2025 and I think people just know everything and I don't think you're going to fool people. Like, let me give you an example. When I was in Nashville, so this is 2001, 2002 and early 2003. So almost two years, so early two, so March, about April of 2001 to about February of 2023, I was doing Nashville. Cool.

Then they asked me to do Memphis and Detroit. And Memphis made sense because I know a lot about Memphis and really the radio station. Nobody was listening to it anyway. It had no rating. So they're like, here, Josh, here's an extra, you know, X amount of dollars to do this. And then we want you to do Detroit. And it's an extra X amount of dollars to do a unique show for Detroit. And they were like, just don't mention Nashville don't do that just do a show for Detroit and I'm like okay that's fine so I'd go on the air and I mean I I would meticulously

edit this shit so here's what my day was just to kind of let you behind the scenes like towards the end when I was in Nashville this is kind of what my day was. So I'd get to the station at about 545 ish. Now in fairness, I live like 25 minutes outside of Nashville. So I'd get there and there's a thing called voice tracking. I mean, it's just, you go in, you can go in days before and put your voice over the music and no one's the wiser. So what I would do to give myself a little extra time to sleep and because I don't need super duper four hours to prep, any asshole that needs to sit around for two, three hours and prep for a radio show is an asshole.

Just an absolute putz. Like I've heard Colin Cowherd say, I prep two hours for every hour I'm on the radio. So you prep for eight hours a day. So you want me to believe that if you go on the radio at nine in the morning, you're starting to prep at one in the morning. You want me to buy that, you putz? Okay.

Nobody's prepping eight hours for a radio show. But early on, I thought that's what you had to do. So when I first got the afternoon gig at 6.10, moved up from the morning thing, my producer, Ben, who's one of my best friends, I would have him meet me at the Buffalo Grill over on Bissonette at like eight in the morning for a radio show that starts at two. And we'd pull out the newspaper. This is 2010. And for whatever reason, I felt like holding a newspaper made me kind of important. So I pulled out a newspaper. I'm like, we should

talk about this, this, this, and this. And Rich Rich who was on the show with us would roll into the studio at like 15 till 2 and I'd be like what the fuck you lazy bastard and I'm like looking back on I'm like that's stupid like who the fuck wants to sit at a radio station for six hours or at a breakfast spot for six hours prepping for a fucking show like I don't need that so when I was in Nashville at the end, what I would do is the day before I built a segment that would allow me, it was a music based bit. So every morning at like six 10, six 15, we did a segment called Southern comfort where we played a double back to back songs that are Southern rock songs. I could voice track at the day before. So I wouldn't even, my voice would not need to be on the radio live in Nashville really until like 6.30, right? Because then we go to commercials, play commercials, come back with a song, then I'm talking, and the rest of the show was done pretty much live at that point.

So I would go in the day before and be like, all right, that was the Allman Brothers and Sweet Southern Comfort. 105.9 The Rock, Nashvilleville's classic rock all right that sweet southern comfort i'm no angel greg allman that's good stuff all right coming up today we've got pearl jam tickets and blah blah i'd record that the day before it would take me 10 seconds it'd be in there so i had i bought myself some time doing that so I'd get to the radio station at about 545, whatever, six o'clock, depending, you know, whatever. So I do the show. I would do Nashville stuff all live. And then when music was playing, I would record the same system, the voice track system. I would record voice tracks for Detroit and I would record voice

tracks for Memphis that were try. I would try to do them as local as I could. Right. So I would, you know, look up what was happening. Like Dan Campbell did something stupid in Detroit. I'd riff on that. And then that would be the day. Then at the end of the day, what I would do is I'd go in and I'd listen to the generic shit I did in Nashville. So something from like show prep radio websites that are just places where they post a bunch of fucking stories, you know, like wacky news, Florida man news, this type of shit. And if I did anything generic, I would go back in and I would listen to that. Or I would know, I'd kind of keep a note like, all right, we're going to use this tomorrow because it's evergreen it's not dated so it's fine we'll use this tomorrow so Tuesday we'll use this story in Detroit but I would have to go

in and make sure that me and battle who was doing the show with me did not reference Nashville and if we did and it got on the air in Detroit the fucking PD in Detroit would would call me and go Josh you can't reference the Ryman people are going to know you're not here. So I would go in and I would edit it out. And then I would take the open to each segment. So like the 105.9 The Rock. And I would edit that out. And I would put in 106.7 Detroit's Wheels. It's Josh, whatever.

And then, or Rock 103 Memphis Classic Rock, whatever it was. So I would do all that. And this was like a meticulous thing. I did it like I didn't have somebody else doing it for me. So when I got off the air, really my shift kind of ended at 9 in the morning because it was mostly music in the 9 o'clock hour. And we mostly just voice tracked the 9 o'clock hour of that. So I would go in during that time and spend about two hours every day doctoring these pieces of audio, whatever. So I'd have some stuff in for tomorrow on Detroit and would only leave myself a handful

of spots that I could go in tomorrow and put in quote unquote live shit, which is shit I was doing that next day. Maybe that sounds convoluted, but I was kind of proud of the fact that I took a lot of pride in that. Like I cared, like I didn't want someone in Detroit listening and thinking it sucked but what does this have to do with the theater of the mind well the PD in Detroit wanted to make sure you never had reference to Memphis or Nashville or anything in the tracks which I understand like I get that you don't want to sit there and spend 10 minutes talking about the Titans which is fine but if I accidentally mentioned Detroit or Nashville like sometimes I miss some things my argument to him was these people know I'm not here right so if you like if you go to my Instagram it says I work for 105.9 The Rock in Nashville they know I live in Nashville

if they take five minutes to go to the Twitter or the Instagram, they'll know I don't live here. So if they're still listening, despite that, I think we're fine, whatever. And as it turns out, my Detroit numbers actually, by the time I left had gone up pretty good. Like I was doing decent there. So whatever, but theater of the mind, I don't know that theater of the mind works a ton anymore because people are hip to it. There's video of all these radio shows now. Theater of the mind is kind of a lost thing.

And sometimes you think the audience knows that it's a bit, and sometimes they don't. Like, I'll give you an example. So in 2010, actually, it might have been 2009. Oh, it was 2010 because it was during the NBA finals. And I was filling in for Mark on the morning show in Houston. So it was me and John Lopez. And there was something that involved Jack Nicholson at one of the Lakers games. So I did an old radio hacky bit where I'm like, let's call Jack Nicholson. I got his phone number because my

dad's in movies. Let's call Jack Nicholson. So my dad does a Jack Nicholson impression. It's pretty decent. So I'm like, Dad, here's the bit we're going to do. I'm going to call. We're going to act like we're waking up Jack Nicholson. We'll have a conversation, make it sound kind of real. Then at the end, we'll somehow break into the few good men.

You want answers. I want the truth type of thing. And at that point, people will know it's bullshit. And they'll be like, ha-ha, it was either funny or that's lame. But they'll know that, like, once Jack Nicholson at 4 in the morning in L.A. is not going to talk with some assholes on the phone and do the few good men bit. Right? So we do it, ha-ha, we're telling a few jokes, whatever,

and we're going back and forth about the basketball game. And then he goes, you want answers? I say, well, I think I'm entitled to it. You want answers? few jokes whatever and then we're going back and forth about the basketball game and then uh he goes you want answers i said well i think i'm entitled to it you want answers you can't handle the truth and son in this wall we have okay do the bit at that point people have to know it's bullshit because it's so absurd that they have to know it's bullshit well back to our friend lamont who i mentioned earlier lamont on his website writes and posts the audio about how Josh Ennis called Jack Nicholson and holy shit and I'm like you people believe that there's no way Jack Nicholson was gonna do a first one he's not gonna memorize the few good men fucking soliloquy

and he's not gonna do with me he's gonna hang up on my ass if he even answers the phone if I even had his fucking phone number but at that moment I'm like there were people that believe that like it was so clearly meant to be a bit that's why I kept saying we're calling Jack quote-unquote but like there's other examples of things you can do like nobody is there is is themselves 100% on the radio whether they hold back or whether they, they drive home something stronger or dial up or dial back their, uh, personality. I like, I've heard Jim Rome talk about that. He's like, who I am is on the radio is me, but like, I don't walk around the house all day calling people clones and shit, you know, like that's how that works. So if you're around me

most of the time, my opinions on shit don't change. You know, that's the one thing I am a big believer in is at least give your honest opinion. Can you ham that opinion up a little bit to help sell it? Sure. Can you exaggerate it a little bit to help sell it? Sure. Can you find a ridiculous analogy for it? Sure.

To help because you're trying to entertain and you're trying to get a response from people. So that's fine. But to me, the core of what you have to do is still be honest. You have to be honest about what your opinions are. When you're on the radio, like at least for me, I can't go on the radio and just have a complete bullshit opinion just for the sake of getting a reaction. Now, I'm a natural contrarian

anyway, as if you've ever listened to this, you know this. My mindset is like, anytime I hear a big group of people feel one way, I just naturally look for the opposite side. It's not like I look for it and say, I want to do this. It just overcomes me, and that's how I am. I don't know why I am that way, but I am, but I've never tried to like change who I am or, or, or any of that for people. Like I've, that's why I struggled in Philadelphia. Honestly, I say struggled. I was number one for a year there, but number one person's 2554 was getting huge bonus checks. Like I was doing well and they weren't doing that well when I got there. So I know I had an impact on it and so did Tony but I think what happened is like

where I struggle and this is where I've struggled everywhere and this goes back to when I got to Houston first day on the air John Lopez says hey you're a Cardinals fan huh and Gavin runs down the hall and he's like you can't tell people you're a Cardinals fan um and I'm like well I mean okay I won't but and that happened in Philly like The example I use a lot, my Philly people will know this example. When I got there, Nick Foles was the quarterback. He was a backup quarterback. But Nick Foles had had this huge season and all that. And they went to the playoffs, and they lost to the Saints in a home playoff game.

But that was the year Nick Foles had that epic game in the snow with Shady McCoy and and they like Nick Foles and I forgot who all the quarterbacks were in the NFC East at that time but I know one was Tony Romo I think one was RG3 he was one was Nick Foles and I guess Eli Manning would have been the Giants quarterback so those were the four quarterbacks and we would have have to do this great birds debate, right? So we'd go to Chickies and Pete's, South Philly, and they would put up different hosts up there and they would have to argue with each other over, you know, sports shit, whatever.

And the question was like, who is the best quarterback in the NFC East? And I'd say, well, it's obviously, I mean, it's Tony Romo. He's the best quarterback. And like, that was a really controversial opinion, right? I'm like, why? It's pretty obvious. But my boss was like, you can't go into Philadelphia and tell people that the Cowboys quarterback is the best quarterback. And I'm like, but why? Like, it's just, it's an opinion.

And I get that you kind of have to play up to people. And I get that you have to be kind of rah-rah and you gotta be, but like, I'm not going to go and tell you something that I think is so absurd that Nick Foles is better than Tony Romo now granted Nick Foles does have a Super Bowl but this is before then and Tony Romo for a career was still a better quarterback than Nick Foles but like I'm not going to tell you something that I believe is complete bullshit just because I'm trying to get the people or I don't, I want them to like me or whatever. And that's what I think a lot of hosts do. They don't necessarily lie, but they know the angles you have to take to appease the people. And maybe they're smarter than I am because a lot of them have jobs. That's a downfall of mine is I, I don't like to bullshit

about that kind of stuff. Now I'll do bits where I'm fucking with people and I'll tell people I'm fucking with them and they don't still don't know I'm fucking with them. Like when we would do the troll segments and shit, uh, where, you know, you'd make up an outlandish opinion. You tell people that you, but here's the thing about the troll segment that works because like, I, here's how I would set it up. I'd say, here's what I'm going to do guys. Cause you people pay no attention to what I say. You just want to be angry. I'm telling you right now that when we come back from commercial, I am going to give you a bullshit opinion that I don't believe and I know it's outlandish and I guarantee 10 people will still call and they will bitch about

it. And I will tell them while I'm arguing with them that I'm making up this opinion and they still won't care because they're enraged. All right. Now, the trick is, you know that when you come back 10 minutes from then, there's going to be 100,000 potential different listeners that didn't hear you set up the bit. But the people that are sticking around did hear you set up the bit, and they're going to stick around for it. So when you come back and you're like, let me tell you who I think was maybe the most overrated member of the Eagles ever, and that's, uh, Brian Dawkins. And then you compare them to some player who wasn't nearly,

I did one of these, right? I want, it was a chase Utley when I think, and I was like, yeah, honest to God, I would take Tommy her over chase Utley or some shit.

And, and people would call, they'd be in rage. Oh, you motherfucker. And blah, blah, blah.

And I'd be like, well, Steve is in Abington or whatever. Uh, Steve, you know, we're just trolling here at 627 just making up opinions brother what's going on and there are ways that you can fuck with the sound for people where they're now I never did that like I never blocked out the sound where they couldn't hear me but like when you in a lot of phone situations when you put a caller on on the air there's that like one and a half seconds of where like they know they're on and it blocks out what you're saying like there's a lot of ways you can fudge this where you're fucking with people but to the audience you know now a lot of times

people legitimately just were pissed even though i was telling them but like there are also ways that you could kind of skirt around that that's a theater of the mind thing like i knew that there'd be dumb people that would buy it, but I also know that there's tricks to it. Like new audience comes in and say, you do that at six 10, the new audience, there's new people getting in their car at six 20.

And all they hear is some guy rambling on about how Tom, her is better than chase Utley. And they're going to call because Philly people call trolling thing. Didn't work as well in Houston because Houston doesn't give a fuck. So in Houston, you'd say like, you know, honest to God, I thinkjuwon compared to like Luke Longley I mean who's got more rings right and they'd be like this guy's obviously fucking with us they were hip to

it the Philly people were never hip to it because so many of them are dipshits I love you but many of you just look to be angry as Daryl Morey has said, like their base level is anger, right? So they just want to be mad about shit and yell at the radio. So they were easier to fuck with. Now, in hindsight, do I wish, do I think I could have done a little bit more bullshitting? Sure. It's just not in my DNA to bullshit and pander to people. I can love people. Like when the Astros were great, we had latched onto the Astros and we had fun with it and gave away tickets. That's different. I can't give you opinions on things. Like I just can't roll out and give you that generic opinion or the opinion that the whole

fan base feels just because you want me to give it to you. If I believe it, I'll give it to you. But if I don't, I don't. And I just, that's that's a problem but and I think that's hurt me in some instances as well especially now in this era where people expect the the radio guy to be like unabashed homer that agrees with everything people on social media say and you have to be part of that echo chamber back in 2009 when I got to Houston that wasn't necessarily the case now it is like if you get on there and you say like well you know the Astros did cheat I mean if we're being fair they're not they shouldn't give their titles back they still want them i went to those world series games i watched them they were the better team but they did cheat say oh fuck you go back to la like it's that kind of shit but like as far as theater of the mind goes

when i think of theater of the mind in today's context it's how much of what you are doing is just bullshit for entertainment purposes and how much of it is what you believe and how much of it is just you amped up, like taking it to another level. Like, I believe that guys like Angelo are full of shit. Angelo and Philly is full of shit on a lot of his opinions. But he is able to create and like he is able to reconcile with himself that it's a show and that it's entertainment that's where i struggle because at the end of it i still want to give you what i honestly feel about shit for whatever reason that consumes me and it angers me if people are full of shit and they're just doing a thing i think guys like angelo and i don't mean this as a

demeaning comment because Angelo's legendary and I love the guy and he's always been good to me. I listen to some of the shit Angelo does and I think that Angelo's full of shit and I think Angelo knows he's full of shit, but his objective is to get as many people calling as possible to create a funny radio show. And I have to give him credit for that. Some people have that ability to do that. I could, I don't want to, because that doesn't get me excited in that way. Like, I don't like, I still want to go on there and tell you what I honestly think of shit. Maybe that's a completely doofus way to view things like, Oh, I want to be honest on the radio, but like, and maybe it is, maybe people hear that and they go, what a fucking pud you are. And maybe I am, you know,

I like, I could, should, would have been the morning guy right now in Philadelphia, but I can't allow myself to get past the fact that I think there's so much that they do that's so full of shit that I have to call them on. And I wish I didn't, I wish I didn't have to sit here and go, you guys are full of shit. But what ends up happening is I start feeling good for a while. Then I'll get pissed off by a couple of people who will tell me I'm fake or like, that's, that's where I lose my shit is when people, when I'm giving you my honest opinion and then people call and tell me that I'm just giving a fake opinion just to try to get a rise out of people, right? Which pisses me off to the most. Cause really the people who are giving you the opinion

you want to hear a lot of times are the people that are the ones full of shit. And I'm the one being honest, but you think I'm dishonest and I'm stupid. And that's when I get mad and that's where I start trying to find digs and shit to fucking, you know, destroy them. But I've got issues in that way. Fortunately, I don't do sports radio anymore. And honestly, I don't really miss it all that much. There are times I do. But then I listen to it like right now.

Like what's going on in the world right now that's so amazing that you would fill four hours of fucking sports radio with it? Like, oh boy, free agency. Cool. There are dudes that are signing with teams, dudes I've never fucking heard of. This offensive lineman, I'm like, great. What are we going to do for four hours breaking that down? It just doesn't interest me in that way anymore. Doing a podcast is fine because I can control how long it is, what I talk about, whatever.

Imagine having to go on WIP today and be angry about spring training. I'd blow my brains out. And there was a time in my life when that mattered to me. I couldn't tell you one thing that's happened in one spring training game for any baseball team because that doesn't interest me. And depending on what city you're in, you're not going to talk about basketball because basketball is not interesting to most people and hockey is not interesting. So basically, if you're in Philly, I'm sure spring training conversation matters. If you're in Houston, a little bit of spring training conversation matters. But outside of that, I don't know.

So that's where I struggle with it. The hard part is it's something I know very well and it's something I can do very well. It's just something that doesn't interest me anymore. Like, and maybe it's because I'm getting older. Maybe it's just because sports have changed in such a way and the way social media handles sports, you know, there's a bunch of factors, but I find myself maybe just because I gamble on everything. So I've become an emotionless zombie over everything because I know a lot about sports and all that. I just don't care about it a lot of the time. I have my teams that I root for.

I get angry. I get happy about them. But having to sit there for four hours, which in a given hour is going to be 45 minutes an hour of talking about minutia, that doesn't excite me anymore so that's kind of why doing music kind of is good because essentially like I listen to a lot of these music shows like the ones that are on music stations but are mostly talk and I'm like these people are struggling to fill this like this is boring like I'm listening to them try to fill time like they take people who aren't that interesting and they're like well you're gonna be talking for 45 minutes every hour. We're playing no music on this morning show, baby. And I'll listen to it. And I'm like, this is dragging on, man. Like these are not that

interesting people. I kind of like the option doing like a rock morning show where if you don't have a ton that day, play an extra Aussie song. You know what I'm saying? If you have a ton that day, drop the Aussie song and talk more. Like that's the way I view it. You know, I'm saying? If you have a ton that day, drop the Ozzy song and talk more. Like, that's the way I view it. You know, I don't, I listen to these, I'm like, I don't want people to listen to me on a radio show and, you know, they're tuning into this rock station. I don't want them to tune into me and be like, God damn, dude, like, it feels like you're just filling this because you have to. I don't want people to feel that way about me. But, you know, it is what it is. Anyway, I've gone very long on this episode, so thank you for the question, Cole.

I hope I answered some of your questions.