The Josh Innes Show - Are The Saints A Bottom 4 Organization In All Of Sports?

Episode Date: October 2, 2025

I saw a story about Jaxson Dart having a chip on his shoulder because the Saints didn't draft him. First off, I think he's going to be a stud. You know this. But, as I started thinking about the Saints, it occurred to me that they may be one of the worst franchises in all of sports. Which franchises are the worst? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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So the Saints are playing the Giants this weekend, and I think they're like a slight favorite. They're at home. They're facing a rookie quarterback making his first road start. You know that I'm a big Jackson Dart guy. I'm a huge Jackson Dart guy, and I believe this guy's going to be a rock star. His numbers weren't very good last week. It was his first start. Did what you had to do to win, blah, blah, blah, that shit. But I think Jackson Dart's going to be a fucking baller, okay? They're playing the Saints. The Saints don't have a ball or quarterback. They have Spencer Rattler and they drafted Tyler Shuck. That's what they have, right? That's what we deal with with the Saints. So here's a headline. Jackson Dart on Saints not picking him. There's always a chip on your shoulder. Let's play a couple of commercials and get into this. Okay, flights on Air Canada. Oh, wow. Mayorka, that's new. Oh, nice. But Vienna is a classic Mozart, Palaces and Schnitzel.

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until the second round to select a quarterback, Tyler Shuck, with the 40th overall pick. The Giants selected Dart at 25th. Dart made his first start for the Giants on Sunday, a 2118 upset went over the Chargers, while Shuck has seen only three snaps in mop-up duty. The Giants played the Saints on Sunday,

and Dart admits he hasn't forgotten the quarterback needy Saints passed on him. Like, that's the thing, though, and the story points it out. It's not like he was the first person the Giants took either. The Giants had multiple picks. With the third pick, they took Abdul Carter. So, like, I think this story is stupid. Like, what a preposterous story. Like, hey, the Saints passed up. Yeah, I would

have liked if the Saints would have drafted him. But the team that fucking drafted you also passed up on you at one point. Shut up. Not that he's bringing it up. Not that he's walking out there like, hey, guys, I got this to say. This is obviously something being brought up by the media people. Quote, there's always a chip on your shoulder anytime something like that happens. But yeah, I'm just going to go out there and play as hard as I can. The same showed interest in Dart, who had multiple visits with the team in the pre-draft process. They had Dart believing he might end up in New Orleans. Yeah, I felt like my visit with them went good. You kind of have thoughts in your head about what

the options are and if they're realistic. And I felt that this was a place I could have panned out, but things didn't work out. I love it here in New York. There's not a place I'd rather be. I love how passionate people are outside the facility, in the facility. I like the attitude of East Coasters. It's a lot of fun, so I love it. I think this story is a very, what's the word I'm looking for? That is an overblown angle. This isn't like the obvious thing where the Saints had the number two pick or the number one pick and they passed over him and took a quarterback at number two. This is a little bit misguided here. I know you're looking for an angle on an otherwise shitty football game and that's what this is. This is two shitty football

teams, the Saints who are going absolutely nowhere. There is no hope. There is no future for the Saints. They are a loser franchise and will continue to be a loser franchise with a loser GM. The Saints are a dead franchise right now. They are a giant nothing burger. The Giants have a smidge of hope because of Jackson Dart. But they're about to fire their coach at some point. Their best player, their wide receiver, one of their best players. Malik Neighbors is out for the year because he just fucking eviscerated his knee. I'm not going to say the Giants are a nothing organization. moving forward like the Saints are. The Saints are a total waste of space.

The Saints are not going to be good anytime soon. They are a dead-end loser franchise with nowhere to go, and it's disgusting. That's what they were before. Like when I moved to Baton Rouge when I was a kid, that's what the Saints were. They were a nothing burger organization. Then they made the playoffs the one year in 2000, didn't make it again for another six years. And then the miracle of Drew Brees and Sean Payton happened, and we had 20 years of glory. damn near 20 years. It gets more like 15 years of glory. And it was lovely. And there was a Super Bowl win. And there should have been more Super Bowl wins. And it was fucking great. And then there was the four years of Dennis Allen where it was kind of midling. And now we're about to hit a stretch of football where the Saints are awful. Brown paper bag. Franchise dead. No where to go. No future. No hope. Shitty GM. It's a disaster. Right. I don't want to go off on a Saints tangent here. But my God, my football team has no hope.

If I look at the Giants, who for the most part have no hope, but maybe Jackson Dart, who I think is going to be very good, maybe Jackson Dart saves them, resurrects the Giants and gives them some hope. But the Saints are arguably among the handful of teams in professional sports who I view as totally hopeless. Like even the A's, the A's are moving to Vegas, so maybe there's hope. But think about the worst organizations in sports and go, do they have any hope? Let's just look at the standings. This is a totally random thought. Let's look at the NFL standings. The New York Jets are hopeless.

They are a hopeless franchise that is never going anywhere. Aaron Glenn's not going to turn them around. They're not going to get the quarterback. They're a loser organization that will always be a loser organization. They are hopeless and hapless. The Cleveland Browns are hopeless and hapless. I don't care of Dylan Gabriel is the quarterback or Shudder Sanders is the quarterback or one of the 40 other starting quarterbacks they've had in the last quarter century.

They are a hopeless organization. The Titans, I'll give the Titans at least some hope because maybe Cam Ward is great. Maybe he isn't, but I'll give him some hope. Then you'll look at, you know, the Saints. The Saints literally have no hope. Again, literally. Poor choice of the word literally. But, like, they don't have hope.

They are a hopeless franchise. They are hapless. Like, out of all the teams in the NFL, if you say, Josh, if you have to pick one franchise that has zero chance in the next five years to be worth a show, yet. Who is it? The easy, obvious answer is the Saints. Again, the Jets are going to be worthless, too. But the Saints are the obvious answer. If you were looking at like the five or six worst franchises in sports, professional American sports, the franchises that have no chance of going anywhere, they are dead end, they are finy, it is over for them. No immediate hope. Like, I don't know,

The Saints, I'd say maybe the Charlotte Hornets, maybe. Like, they are among the five or six most worthless organizations that have nowhere to go. Baseball, you find a lot of those because, like, the pirates. The pirates are totally worthless. Their ownership doesn't care about winning. They are poorly run. They are awful. Like, they are the pirates.

The Kansas, even the Kansas City Royals, they're over 500, and they've got, you know, Bobby Witt, Jr. And there's like, oh, there's a little bit of hope here. The Pirates, the Colorado Rockies. Like, the Saints are in that category. And it's not just losing that's being poorly run. The Saints are poorly run and have no real vision for anything. They are a disaster. I know that this was not meant to be a Saints conversation.

It was supposed to be a conversation about, you know, this misguided idea that Jackson Dart has a chip on his shoulder because the Saints didn't. and fucking draft him and fine whatever gets you hard brother so go for it but my god you look among just like the three and four major sports really the three major sports in america NFL NBA baseball there's no doubt the saints are are among if there's a mount rushmore of hopeless organizations in professional sports in america the saints are on that mount rushmore because i i haven't named five other ones that aren't i mean look like you probably throw the marlins Like the Marlins were four games under 500 this year, but like the Marlins are the Marlins.

They're a worthless organization. But these are teams going nowhere, like ownership stinks. Everything about them stinks. And that's the Saints. The Saints who, you know, they were able to mask some of their deficiencies for 15 years because Drew Breeze was there and Sean Baton was there. But holy shit. I mean, they are hapless. Oh, it's difficult to watch.

It just like it sucks. But then you kind of realize. as a Saints fan, that that's what you were for most of your existence. And now you're just, like, the world has spun around and gone back to where it belongs, right? Like, part of you believes that. You're like, ah, I guess it's just where we belong. You know, you had a brief little respite in the late 80s, early 90s with the Dome Patrol teams. And you won your first playoff game in 2000, had 15 or so years of, you know, at times excellence.

And at worst, you know, good, at best, excellent. and now you're about to hit a stretch where you're arguably the worst franchise in sports, among them at least, Mount Rushmore of worst franchises in sports. Then I root for the Cardinals. Their attendance was down. They were off 700,000 people, and I don't think that's real. I think there were fewer than that. They claimed 2.2 million people went through the turnstiles at Cardinals games.

And kind of a gold standard number for attendance in baseball. If you hit 3 million, that's a big number. And the Cardinals used to routinely hit 3 million. That's how they were. Allegedly 2.2 million. If you watch, go watch highlights of any random home Cardinals game this year as an exercise here. Tell me that you think there's enough people in the stands at those games where that times 81 gets you to 2.2 million. And I get that some days there'll be bigger crowds and others.

Cubs are in town, weather's nice, whatever. I am telling you, there is no way in hell 2.2 million people went to Cardinals games. There's no way. But let's just say they did. Let's say 2.2 million people did. They lost 700,000 spectators this year. 700,000. I mean, that's incredible, an incredible drop-off.

And they didn't even change anything. Here's what's amazing about it. Managers coming back. And the GM is Hein Bloom, who was kind of under the current baseball operations guy who'd been there for 20 years, who had a retirement like a farewell tour. So he's out now But this guy's been there Like nothing fucking changed

Hey what happened Well we lost 700,000 people Our team stunk We didn't come close We were like 20 something games Out of the division race And you know Whatever we stink

We lost 700,000 people It's probably gonna get worse next year Because people don't give a shit And don't want to go to downtown St. Louis But what did we change? Nothing Woof Ooh my God

Speaking of baseball Your boy AJ Hinch is getting some shit here in Detroit because he did some playoff AJ Hinch shit. But even for AJ Hinch, this was A.J. Hinchie. So late in the game, in a tie game, Detroit had a chance with runners on the corners and won out and Riley Green at the plate. Now, Riley Green has struck out more than 200 times this year, which has only happened 17 times in baseball history, and he is one of them. So that's pretty remarkable. But he's at the plate, and you have a chance and he was in the 8th, and he had a chance to go take the lead.

This is arguably the best power hitter on the team. Now, I think that the Tigers have a bunch of dudes who are not overrated. I think outside of Detroit, nobody cares about a lot of these guys. I don't think they're stars. I don't think Riley Green is a star. Spencer Torkelson's a star. They're stars in that they are the best players on this team, but I don't think they are stars in baseball sense.

I don't view these guys as like amazing players. I think they've got a lineup filled with a bunch of middling guys, which is pretty remarkable that they've gotten to where they've gotten. But Riley Green's at the plate, and he's supposed to be your star player. And you pull him with runners on the corners and won out in a tie game, and a game that if you win it, you advance. And you put in Jemai Jones, journeyman type guy that no one outside of Detroit knows exists. And he gets out.

And then they get out of the inning and then Guardians come up and score five, six runs in the eighth and win the game. AJ Hinch doing playoff Hinch things, boys and girls. All right, more to come.