The Josh Innes Show - Does Tom Brady Get Punished As Well?

Episode Date: January 28, 2026

Let's assume Spygate and Deflategate are being used against Belichick. Well, shouldn't Tom Brady get the same treatment? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

But, yeah, that's where we are. Like, here's what I want to know. What does this mean for Tom Brady? Like, I don't believe that you can put Bill Belichick in the Hall of Fame or take him out or not put him in in the first ballot because of SpyGate and DeflateGate. And then put in a guy who was the quarterback during SpyGate and the guy who was deflating the balls. If you give a shit about Deflategate, which, as we've discussed,

deflategate was the biggest crock of shit ever. And anybody who was worked up over it was a fan of another. team that just hated the Patriots. Like, I was in Philly when that was going on. The number of dinguses that called and were outraged by the deflakeet. It couldn't even tell you what PSI was or how it impacted throwing the ball. What it mattered. None of these people gave a fuck.

They couldn't tell you. None of them. But they'd call and they'd be like, oh, yeah, suspend the guy. The fact that we suspended the greatest quarterback of all time over a little bit of air being let out of a football for fuck's sake. In a sport where there are special balls for kickers, special. each team has to have their own ball when they're on offense. Give me a fucking break.

But to me, that's the next most interesting thing. Because the arguments you're going to use against Belichick, outside of the Brady argument, are SpyGate Gate. Now, on the flip side, Brady was a more likable guy, was more media friendly. But the guy who won the six Super Bowls with Belichick during SpyGate, during Deflate Gate, a guy that was suspended for Deflategate. Like, I don't, there's no justification. If Belichick's not a first ballot, then neither is Tom Brady.

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So Tom Brady has to be punished and left off the first ballot for the Hall of Fame. And if you do that, you will completely render your whole operation obsolete. But if you're going to stick with what you believe in who you are and what you stand up for, up for, which is deflategate bad, spy gate bad, all that shit, then you cannot let Tom Brady in on the first ballot if you care about your credibility, which maybe you fucking don't at this point, because who even cares? Like, does anybody give a shit about credibility anymore in anything? But if, because all, you know, credibility is now, it's whether or not you root for someone's team or if people agree with you. That's how we determine credibility.

Credibility is determined by whether or not somebody agrees or disagrees with you. Look at your favorite political people. Look at all your friends that are political zealich. You know who they probably, if they're a big Trump person, they probably view every Trump honk is credible and every CNN person is discredit, they discredit those people. So, does the Hall of Fame care about credibility? Because you have the greatest coach quarterback combination of all time. They're both Hall of Famers and both be surefire, should be surefire 50 out of 50 votes, shouldn't have one left off. but if you're going to leave Belichick out, the guy that was the coach of deflategate and the coach of SpyGate,

then you have to leave Tom Brady off, don't you? If not, how can anybody give this whole process any credibility? How can you give credence to this whole process? You cannot. Now, the only argument, and this is the argument I think they would make, they'd say, well, you know, Brady did play for Belichick, and there was SpyGate and he was. was suspended for deflategate, but he then went to Tampa.

He left Belichick, went out on his own and won a Super Bowl with Bruce Ariens, and he won a Super Bowl. Did Ariens win that Super Bowl? It wasn't Todd Bowles, wasn't it? But he goes out and he wins that Super Bowl. And because of him winning that Super Bowl, we can now kind of look back and say, well, you know, I mean, yeah, he was deflated, but this guy went to two different places and played with two different coaches and won Super Bowls in both spots.

So therefore, like Tom Brady gets a different kind of exception than Bill Belichick, which again would be a crock of shit. Because you cannot leave the greatest, most successful quarterback in the history of the end of it. If a slam dunk first ballot hall of famer is Peyton Manning, Tom Brady can't wait a year. You've already set the president. You cannot do that.

If you do that, you have no credibility. Do they care? I don't know. Credibility is another fascinating conversation. If you want to dig deep into shit about what's credible and what's not, who cares, I don't think people care. I hear sports radio people like yelling about credibility and how can you take ESPN seriously if they're in the bed with the NFL?

Nobody gives a shit. This isn't the 1960s, 70s, 80s. What you learn by reading social media is nobody gives a fuck about who's credible, who's not credible. credibility is all determined by whether or not you agree with the person and if you believe in the sports world that these people are rooting for the same teams you're rooting for that's truly all it comes down to right like when you just again there are slap dick dudes that have barely any skins on the wall as media people

but they'll go on Twitter and they'll tell you shit that you want to hear about your team and you will give them more credibility than you'll give some guy that's been in the media for 50 years because all you care about is whether or not they tell you what you want to hear. Again, that's a different argument for a different day. But big picture, I'm fascinated to see how Tom Brady ends up. Because Brady's coming up, right? I mean, in a couple years. So Brady is going to have his opportunity and whether or not Brady is a first ballot

Hall of Famer. Will they follow the same guidelines that they follow? will Bill Polly and make it a point to allegedly go person to person and try to form a coup to keep Brady out? You know, another thing while we're thinking about, you know, how Hall of Fame are going to approach certain things and certain players and whether or not, you know, Tom Brady is, you know, if Tom Brady is going to be punished in the same way that Belichick was punished,

it's kind of like what's going to happen with the Astros. Now, I don't know how many guys are going to truly be up for the Hall of Fame that were on that team that are true Hall of Famers, right? Like, I mean, well, hell, I guess maybe the question doesn't matter because, I mean, Carlos Beltron's in, right? I mean, Carlos Beltron's a Hall of Famer.

Carlos Beltron was on that team. Right? So Carlos Beltron played for the 2017 Astros. It didn't lead to punishing him, right? Because Carlos Beltron's a Hall of Famer. So maybe it won't hurt any. Now, Beltron's a different animal only because Beltron, yes, he played on that team,

and it was the only World Series he won, but that was the one year that Beltron played for the Astros. You know, Beltron played for a handful of other teams, and Beltron went to a bunch of All-Star games, and Beltron was a rookie of the year, and Beltron won some gold gloves. So, you know, and for his career, Beltron was a 279 hitter,

and he hit like 440 or something home runs, almost 3,000 hits. So I'm talking about guys, though, that are 100% associated with the 2017, 2018, but really the 2017 Houston Astros. How many of those guys are surefire Hall of Famers? And the answer is one, right? The surefire that is associated with the, well, two, Verlander. Verlander's a surefire Hall of Famer, and so is Jose Altovae.

or at least like the most likely. Like as of right now, I don't think Carlos Correa is a Hall of, I mean, look, is Carlos Correa a Hall of Famer? Like, I know the guy's got a lot of baseball left in his life, but big picture, Carlos Correa has won A gold glove. Carlos Correa has been to a couple of All-Star games, like at the end of the day, and I know he's still a young guy, right? But does anybody ever look at it, and I say he's a young guy,

he's 30 now, but like, okay, not even close. Like, Correa, outside of his amazing postseason exploits, Carlos Correa doesn't even sniff the Hall of Fame. And if he does, the Hall of Fame's a joke. And then throw in the fact that the guy played for the Astros who are quote, unquote, tainted. Correa's not. So you're going to look at Verlander,

and Verlander's certainly not going to be punished for his association with the Astros. That's not going to happen. People don't even really associate him with the Astros all that much anyway. And he's not an offensive player. The one dude who is a surefire Hall of Famer is Al Tuve. Is there maybe a case? for George Springer. Maybe.

You know, like I mean, like, I'd say it's a possibility. I mean, the guy went to a handful of All-Star games, but I mean, I'd be curious. Let me, let me see his, um, his Hall of Fame comparison stuff. I do find that fascinating. Not that it's the end-all be-all, but his Hall of Fame monitor isn't even close. So like, if you look at his overall, like the black ink, whatever people look at for Hall of Fame statistics, which shouldn't be the

thing, but he's not even close. So, like, George Springer's probably not a Hall of Famer. I'm just trying to make a case for anybody on that team to make the case with the Bellichicks and the Brady's here. The only one that legitimately has a, is a legitimate Hall of Famer as Jose Altoouva. And that's a guy that's got seven silver sluggers and two World Series and an MVP award. And he won the batting title three times. And he's got a gold glove. I was like, Al Tuve is a freaking Hall of Famer. If Jose Al Tuve is not a Hall of Famer, then what the fuck are we doing? Same team, 15 years of his career.

You know the whole backstory about Jose Al Tuvei. The guy's fucking incredible. He's not going to get to 3,000 hits. He's not going to, you know, hit a mile. Imagineating 255 home runs for a dude that's like five and a half feet tall. Like the guy's going to the fucking Hall of Fame. But how will he be viewed when his time comes for Hall of Fame voting? Will he get like, does that taint will be on?

That sounds odd. But that taint will be on Jose Al Tuve. People will judge him in that manner. But he's a Hall of Famer. He's a no doubt Hall of Famer. Should be a no down Hall of Fame. But will he be punished? Will he be one of these guys that has to wait years

because he's associated with buzzers and associated with banging on garbage cans? Other than that, I don't think anybody else on that team is a Hall of Famer. He said, Karea is not. Obviously, Beltron was or is a Hall of Famer, but he's not really that associated with that team. Springer, I mean, you could make some sort of a case, but he's not. I mean, like, these are the closest one. And then there's Bregman.

Maybe Bregman. But, I mean, Bregman would be another guy that would be very closely associated with that, right? Like, he'd be viewed in that way. But he's not a Hall of Famer either. the only guy that you would say. I love looking at the similarity scores on baseball reference, which I find fascinating. When you compare these guys to certain dudes,

and you're like, yeah, you ain't a Hall of Famer. Like you look at Breggman, similarity scores, similar batters, Anthony Rendon, not a Hall of Famer, Devers, Jason Bay, Phil Nevin, Jeff Jenkins. So, no, he's not a Hall of Famer. But anyway, none of that truly matters here. But it is fascinating because the one guy that, because there are similarities, obviously,

between the Patriots and the Astros. Patriots did it for longer, won more titles. We're certainly vilified, had their scandals similar. They're not identical, but they're similar. And Al-Tuve would be the guy you'd have to circle and ask how will that impact him. And will the NFL Hall of Fame people punish Tom Brady

like they punished Belichick? And will the baseball Hall of Fame dwebs punish Al-Tubei? Because Al-Tuve is a Hall-of-Famer. And he should be a first ballot Hall of Famer. Guy plays 15, 16, 17 years for one fucking team in the 2000s. That does not happen. But will he get punished and be left off the first ballot

because of his association with buzzers and the Astros? It's interesting. Anyway, more to come.