The Josh Innes Show - Everyone is Disrespected...Shut Up

Episode Date: February 7, 2025

What I've learned over the last 15 hours or so is that everyone is seemingly disrespected. The Chiefs feel disrespected. Lamar is disrespected. Josh Allen is disrespected. I don't believe Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson should have won the MVP. What is an MVP? Who decided that Eli Manning is an all time great QB? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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the reveal of the Hall of Fame voting and who didn't get in and who did get in. And then there's like who's the MVP of the league and who wins this award and who wins this award and who wins this award the number of people the amount of people who root for teams or root for players who act as if when that team or that person doesn't win something into some level of disrespect is really sad and I think it's a statement about where we are as a people and I think this is another one of those things that social media reveals like the number of people I've seen over the last 10 hours 11 hours however long it's been 15 hours since they revealed the MVP and the MVP is Josh Allen first off who the fuck knows what an MVP is anyway it says most valuable player how do you

define most valuable is the most outstanding players define most valuable? Is it the most outstanding player? Is it the best player? Is it the person who's the most valuable to his team? Is it the person with the best stats? Nobody really knows what an MVP is, right? But Josh Allen is the MVP. It's fine. I don't get worked up over this type of shit. To me, my definition of most valuable player, which maybe isn't a fair definition or be harder to find a person is who's the most valuable player to their particular team. Like if you took that person away, how would that team look? Well, the problem is if you took the starting quarterback away from most NFL teams, they'd look terrible. So how is anybody other than the quarterback, the most valuable player in the league, right? Like if that's how you determine value. Now, if it's just who the best player is, Patrick Mahomes, whether you like it or not, Patrick

Mahomes is the best player in the NFL. He gets every fucking call. Things go his way. But if you were to start a team right now with a quarterback, my guess is you'd say, give me fucking Patrick Mahomes. You'd almost be stupid not to at this point, right? Not my favorite quarterback in the league, but they probably would. It's kind of like the LeBron argument. LeBron could have been the MVP of the league every year. Michael Jordan, if it was just who is the best basketball player, Michael Jordan was the best basketball player for the entire time he played. So you can give the award to Hakeem Olajuwon if you want, who's a great fucking player, which they did. You can give it to the Admiral David Robinson, which they did. You can give it to Karl Malone, which they did.

You can look at all that and say, these guys all won the MVP, but none of them are as good as Michael Jordan. Michael Jordan was the best player. So it's obvious. Like when people make that argument, it is obvious they're not just going to give the award to the best player in the NFL.

Like even, you know, the numbers be damned, even if the numbers aren't there, Patrick Mahomes is the best quarterback in the league, like even, you know, the numbers be damned, even if the numbers aren't there, Patrick Mahomes is the best quarterback in the league, right? So you're going to take Patrick Mahomes. If you're, if it just straight up, give an MVP award to the guy who we think is the best player, just total in the NFL, it'd be Patrick Mahomes. Obviously it doesn't work that way. And then if you look at my method, which I think is actually the wrong method, I might change my method right now because the more you listen to it, the dumber the method is. If the argument is which player is most valuable to his team without that player,

what would that team be? Well, what would the Chiefs be? Well, without the refs, but what would the Chiefs be without Patrick Mahomes? Probably shit. Not great. What would the Ravens be without Lamar Jackson what would the Bills be without Josh Allen any team that loses a starting quarterback that is a legit NFL starting quarterback not a Gardner fucking Minshew but like a team that loses a legit top seven top eight quarterback like look at the Saints I hate Derek Carr the Saints lost Derek Carr and the offensive line which is more important but like the Saints are going to be worse without Derek Carr Derek Carr. The Saints lost Derek Carr and the offensive line, which is more important. But the Saints are going to be worse without Derek Carr.

Derek Carr is better at this point in his life than Spencer Rattler is, Jay Kaner is. So if you lose him, that's the case. Same thing for Jalen Hurts. Like Jalen Hurts is not the MVP of the league. But if the Eagles lost Jalen Hurts and replaced him with Kenny Pickett, they would not be better than they are right now. So any team that loses the starting quarterback is going to be in a bad spot.

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so i don't really know to me it's who like it's almost like you know when you see it like porn right like i don't care about overall statistics because statistics can lie right like a lot of people are looking at lamar and they're looking at his statistics saying, well, look, he's better than Josh Allen and blank, blank, blank, and blank. But there are a lot of factors in that. Like, first off, how many games did Lamar have to throw for a shit ton of yards late in games because they were close games or they were losing, right? Like, I don't know that. I'm asking like Josh Allen, how many games was he involved in or what was his team involved in that were blowouts? How many games did he have a running back bust a couple, you know, 60-yard runs for touchdowns and Josh Allen didn't have to throw the ball a ton? Like, these are factors. People that just look at plain statistics and say, look, top to bottom, Lamar is better in every statistical category. Well, that doesn't mean shit. Like, I don't know. I'd have to go back and look at every game the Bills played. But I'm going to guess that there were a lot of blowouts in there.

There were a lot of games that the running game took over. There were very few games. Now, granted, Lamar is the running game of the Ravens, Lamar and Derrick Henry. But there were a lot of games where Derrick Henry also busts a 70-yard run and changes the game. And maybe Lamar doesn't have to throw as much. But just looking at raw statistics and averages doesn't mean shit. Like, what does passing yards per game matter as it relates to who's the MVP of the league?

If passing yards per game were the biggest thing, then Joe Burrow would be the fucking MVP because Joe Burrow had to throw for 400 yards a game because his defense was terrible. You know what I'm saying? So looking at raw statistics is stupid right really to me the MVP of the league was Saquon Barkley because you look at it with your eyes and you say like it's like porn you know when you see it right I know the MVP when I see the MVP obviously the Chiefs wouldn't be the same team without Mahomes

obviously the Ravens aren't the same team without Lamar obviously the Bills aren't the same team without Mahomes. Obviously, the Ravens aren't the same team without Lamar. Obviously, the Bills aren't the same team without Josh Allen. The Saints aren't the same team without Derek Carr. The Eagles aren't the same team without Jalen Hurts. But I know this. I know what the Eagles were last year with Jalen Hurts, and they were a decent football team, a pretty good team for most of the year that fell off a cliff and eventually lost a playoff game to Tampa. They lost a game to Baker Mayfield, who by the way, Tampa loses Baker Mayfield. They're a worse team. That's what being a starting quarterback in the NFL is. But you're Jalen Hurts. The Eagles are not where they are today. If Jalen Hurts is the quarterback and the running game doesn't have Saquon Barkley.

So when I watch it with my eyes, again, you know it when you see it. It's like porn. It's like I can't quantify it. Statistics don't tell it. Raw statistics don't tell it. Stats can be very misleading. It's like when people look at average yards per carry for a running back, and let's say a guy is averaging six yards per carry in a game, and you're like, holy shit, this guy's killing it. Well, he had he had one 80 yard run and then he had like 10 other runs that were all two yards like that matters like yes the fact that you bust the 80 yard run is good but are you consistently getting six yards of carry or did you have one massive carry and they shut you down the other 15 times you touched it that's why averages are bullshit right like unless somehow some dude every game is like six yards six yards six yards

six yards it doesn't fucking matter but when I look at it with my own eyes and I watch the season as it played out to me Saquon Barkley was the MVP because without Saquon Barkley I don't believe the Eagles are where they are the Eagles probably they may probably win the division. Division still isn't very good. Cowboys stink. We know this. They fell off a cliff. Commanders are pretty good. Giants are god-awful. So maybe it would have been a slightly tighter race for the division. But the Eagles are, to me, are not the best team in the NFC if it's Jalen Hurts and some other slapdick running back. I can watch what the Eagles have done this year and say that they're not a 15-win team without Saquon Barkley. I don't know that they are an overall better team than the commanders without Saquon Barkley.

Their defense is fucking good. Don't get me wrong. But if you notice what happened earlier in the season, early in the year, when Jalen was having, when they were trying to throw the ball more, basically the first five weeks of the year, when Jalen Hurts was trying to be quarterback dude and throw it 30, 35 times a game. They turned it over a ton and they were losing games. Eventually, they just said, F this. We're going to give the ball to Jalen Hurts. And Jalen Hurts is going to give the ball to Saquon Barkley. And Saquon's going to bust a couple of big ones every game and just crush people. And we're going to put Jalen Hurts in positions where he can't lose it for us.

That's why if there's no Saquon Barkley, I don't believe Jalen Hurts is winning games for, I believe you're losing more. I think the first four or five weeks of the year for the Eagles, and I know that Saquon Barkley was there for those, but I think the first four or five weeks of the season for the Eagles were more of what you would see if there were no Saquon Barkley. You'd see, wow, that was pretty explosive like they did down in New Orleans, although Saquon was huge in that game too. But, oh shit, there's a huge pass to Dallas Goddard, and they might win a game that way.

But then they also might struggle against Cleveland, and then they might also lose to a team they shouldn't lose to like Atlanta. You know, that type of shit. They'd be closer to a 10-win team than a 15-win team, right, without Saquon Barkley. To me, Barkley's the MVP of the league, which goes counter to everything I just said about basically it has to be a quarterback and, you know, without this guy, what would the team be? But to me, if you are using that as your gauge,

what the fuck are the Eagles without Saquon Barkley? And what they are without Saquon Barkley is probably an 8, 9,10 win team in that range. Maybe a team that loses the division to the commanders. Maybe. With him, if not for the refs being on the side of the Chiefs, the Eagles would be the best team and would win the Super Bowl. They're not going

to win the Super Bowl because the refs will not let them win the Super Bowl. But that's who they are. The whole thing about, to the initial point of disrespect, that was the topic of this, right? People talk about disrespect. What I've learned over the last 15 hours is that Josh Allen is disrespected. I learned this because the Buffalo Bills official account tweets this. I have learned that from black Twitter that Lamar is disrespected like by the way how does a motherfucker that's won

two MVP awards how is he disrespected for the love of Christ I would find it comical to give the MVP award three times to a dude that can't fucking win playoff games like at some point it's got to be like hey bro win some shit same thing with Josh Allen basically Josh Allen Josh Allen won the damn thing because people, I guess, are sick of Lamar. They're like, we've given it to him a couple times. Let's give it to Josh Allen. It's the same reason why Michael Jordan didn't win the damn thing every year. It's like, oh, let's give it to Karl Malone. He had a good year.

Let's give it to David Robinson. He had a good year. Michael Jordan could have won it every time. But the idea that Lamar Jackson is disrespected. Media people bend over backwards to not disrespect Lamar Jackson. They are afraid to disrespect Lamar Jackson is disrespected. Media people bend over backwards to not disrespect Lamar Jackson. They are afraid to disrespect Lamar Jackson. They don't want to engage in the social media discourse about Lamar Jackson not being amazing at everything. They're petrified of social media.

Dude gets nothing but respect. Dude's won two MVPs. How many playoff games has Lamar Jackson won and you might say well Josh it's not really fair to just you know just blame it on him he's the quarterback he gets the win he gets the loss fucking deal with it it's the way it works let's see how many playoff wins in his career does Lamar Jackson have let's take a look I Does he have more playoff wins than he has MVP trophies? Let's see. Lamar, playoff victories.

Lamar is three and five in the playoffs. Three and five, including three one-and-done seasons in the postseason. Oh, by the way, in the playoffs, Lamar Jackson against Josh Allen hasn't fucking beaten him Lamar Jackson against uh against Patrick Mahomes in the playoffs guess what hasn't beaten him hell Lamar Jackson against Ryan Tannehill hasn't beaten. So cut the shit about Lamar Jackson not getting respect. Two-time MVP. Twice.

He's won it. The guy you could argue is over-respected at this point. So cut the shit. But to me, Saquon Barkley is the MVP of the league. Just, again, watch it. Watch with your eyes. And, like, it'll tell you these things. Again, I know I keep repeating this. It's like porn. You know it when you watch it. Watch with your eyes. And like, it'll tell you these things. Again, I know I keep repeating this.

It's like porn. You know it when you see it. And to me, I know that Saquon Barkley is the MVP of the league. But he didn't win it, but he should have. The Chiefs also feel they're disrespected. You want to see, and we already know the Chiefs fans are an insufferable bunch of puds anyway but like the number of people that are Chiefs fans that I've seen tweeting that are angry that the Chiefs didn't win any postseason awards they're like there's just so much Chiefs hate and disrespect who the

fuck disrespects the Chiefs who do you like they like just create this like weird Michael Jordan thing where someone said something they didn't yeah people shit on you because the refs give you the calls. Big fucking deal. People act like the Chiefs are just like this underdog. Stop. You look like Pudge. Just embrace being the favorite in things. Stop trying to play an underdog that you're not. You are not an underdog. So I've learned that the Chiefs are disrespected. Lamar Jackson's disrespected. Josh Allen is disrespected. I've also learned that the Chiefs are disrespected, Lamar Jackson's disrespected, Josh Allen is disrespected. I've also learned that Eli Manning is disrespected because he's not in the Hall of Fame. Apparently, if you win two Super Bowls, both of which were aided by miraculous catches, that if they didn't happen, you would have zero Super Bowls, then somehow

you should be a Hall of Famer. Eli Manning is not a Hall of Famer. I don't care to get into a big debate about who's in the Hall of Fame or who isn't because I don't really give a shit, but he's not a Hall of Famer. And if he is, he's in the Hall of Fame because his name is Manning and you see his fucking face everywhere and he played in New York and that's it. I don't care. Great, you won two Super Bowls. That's neat, right? You won two. There are dudes that are nobodies that have won one. Cool. Should they be in the hall of fame too? Like what's the cutoff? Like, yeah, you're a guy that had kind of a mid career, but you did win two super bowls. So that's enough. What if you're a guy that had a mid

career and you won one? What if you're a guy that had a mid career and, uh, I don't know, ended up, uh, you know, only going to a super bowl and not winning it. What's the cutoff? What's the criteria? How do you determine whether or not a person, like the number of Super Bowls they won versus how most of their career looked? How do you gauge that? How do you determine that? I can see all these New York people. Oh my God, the fact that Eli's not in is not... Eli's not in, but Sterling Sharp is in blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Like you don't have to denigrate someone else to prop up another person. Maybe Sterling Sharp's a hall of famer. Maybe he's not, but maybe Eli Manning just isn't a hall of famer. It's not a,

this guy at this position is in, but Eli isn't. Eli was always just average, slightly above average. Fine. If Eli played in San Diego where he got drafted and his name was Eli Mankiewicz, no one would give a shit about Eli Manning. But he talked his way out of San Diego, got himself in New York, and his name is Manning. His brother's one of the best quarterbacks to ever live. Therefore, Eli, and he's charming and he's funny

and he kind of downplays himself and he's seemingly a really good teammate. All that shit about Eli can be true. It's also true that Eli is not a fucking Hall of Famer. Can we stop just wanting to put every average fucking person in Halls of Fame? Like maybe some people just aren't Hall of Famers and that's okay.

If it takes 10 years for someone to get into the hall of fame and it takes like a bunch of secret hidden votes and the workaround an abacus and everything else to get someone in the hall of fame maybe they're not hall of famers and maybe that's okay it's okay that eli manning is on the outside looking into the hall of fame that's okay cool not everybody's meant to be in the hall of fame. Like I don't think Ben Roethlisberger is a hall of famer. That dude's got two super bowls. I don't believe Ben Roethlisberger is a hall of famer. Maybe he'll get in. Maybe he won't, but people love to bitch about this shit. And it's like, guys, like not everybody's a hall of famer.

Not everybody's meant to be in there. Some guys are just the Hall of really fucking good. And that's okay. And in the case of Eli Manning, the Hall of, eh, he's alright, and then had two miraculous Super Bowl victories and good for him. Anywho.

Alright, we shall continue.