The Josh Innes Show - Fathers and Sons and Has Been Rockers

Episode Date: October 23, 2024

Jilly and I saw the new Michael Keaton movie "Goodrich". I liked it. It made me think of my own family. The NHL had its Frozen Frenzy on Tuesday. All 32 teams are playing. It's fun. Why don't they do this more often? Lebron and his kid produced manufactured history on Tuesday. Jilly lets me know that Foreigner is continuing their "Farewell Tour" and this leads me to a rant about has been rockers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Howdy, Jmokes! What's happening? Josh and Jilly. This is Tuesday night at about 10.30. We got back from Mexican and movie night. We went to see this Michael Keaton, Mila Kunis movie called, what the hell was it called? Goodrich. Goodrich is what it was called. And let me tell you something, quality motion picture. Michael Douglas does not stand Michael Douglas. That's actually his name. But Michael Keaton, fun fact, actually his name is really Michael Douglas.

But because there was another Michael Douglas, he's like, well, I'm just going to go with Michael Keaton instead. Then again, I'm not just fucking around. That's legit but um michael keaton very rarely steers you wrong in a major motion picture and i thought this was a fine fine movie emotional like you know father daughter kids uh movie but it was you know there's a little lightheartedness to it a little bit of fun typical you know michael keaton michael keaton-ness i enjoyed it jilly how did you feel i liked it i thought it was really good it wasn't like too much emotion it was still funny nothing dragged on

i enjoyed it like i feel like real talk the michael keaton character was like a more likable version of my dad. Like, like that sounds dickish, but like, you know, he's like calling his, like he's got the younger kids and he calls the, like he gets his kids names wrong and shit. Not trying to spoil too much, but like, and that's what happens with my dad. My dad, when he's talking to my brother Presley, he calls him Josh. When he calls me on the phone, he calls me Presley. Like that's, that's

just how things work. Um, and then there's a point like in towards the end of the movie when like, you know, she's talking to him. She says something about like how, like, I'd like to be, you know, I'm just basically the person you call when you're in the car. And I'm like, holy shit. That's the literally the only time my dad calls or picks up the phone is when he's in the car. I'm like, wow, I kind of feel like a connection with this movie a little bit. But I thought it was a good one. I enjoy Michael Keaton very much. So I would say go see it.

It's a hard movie to break down, really, so I'm not going to spend too much time doing that. However, I will tell you that, um, I found it to be, uh, just an enjoyable cinematic experience and I would urge you to go see it. So, uh, there you go. Uh, so, uh, stuff going on in the world today, it is a frozen frenzy night in the NHL. And just to show you how stupid the NHL is, and really all these leagues that aren't the NFL are dumb because they miss out on awesome opportunities to do stuff. The Frozen Frenzy is a night where every team in the NHL plays. And it's fun because it offers fun betting opportunities, every team to score a goal, which didn't happen, but I didn't bet that over the total goals for the night and all the games it's 99 and a half I did take the over in that I don't know if it's going to hit because the scoring is really slowed down in these later

games but um it's it's pretty freaking cool to do this like most people aren't really giving a damn about early season hockey hockey has a niche audience the people that't really giving a damn about early season hockey. Hockey has a niche audience. The people that love hockey in a city love it. The people who don't care don't really care. It's like Philadelphia. I was telling it to a friend of mine. He's like, you worked in Philadelphia. They care about hockey there.

I'm like, no, the people who care about hockey care about hockey. They're just like any other city. Now, there are some cities where it is a bigger deal than it is in others. Like hockey in St. Louis is a big deal in St. Louis because all we have is baseball and hockey and weird minor league football and the MLS. And that's why people really care about hockey here. That's why doing sports talk here might have been difficult for your boy because I don't care to break down hockey games. I don't, honest to God, I don't know how to break down hockey games. It's just not my thing.

I don't care to do that. But in situations like tonight, you can have a captive audience. Even though the NBA started tonight, LeBron's playing and all that, you're never going to outdraw that. You're never going to outdraw the NFL. But you've got all 16 teams playing. ESPN2 tonight tonight is doing whip around coverage keeping up with all the goals and everything like the nhl should be doing this if not once a month they should be doing this shit at least like really once a month if not once a week like you want to keep people interested make it fun this is at least something that's an event so even if you don't want to do it every week do it every quarter do it every month do this once a month

and it's fun but these leagues are stupid and they don't understand how to get out of their own way is it going to make hockey the most interesting sport in the world are people going to give a damn more about hockey than they already did probably not but it's something that's an event that gives exposure to your sport and it's something that's an event that gives exposure to your sport. And it's something that's unique and fun and different. So I fucking love the Frozen Frenzy. Yeah, it's fun. I have no idea what I'm saying. Yeah, it is.

It's a fun deal. I'm tired. You kept me up pot until 1.30 last night and drinking wine. That was fun, though. It was. But I would encourage people, if you've never partaken, well, you don't have an opportunity because you're going to listen to this tomorrow. You don't have an opportunity to Frozen Frenzy because, again, the NHL is so fucking dumb.

They did it again like one other time, right? No, this is literally the only night that all 16, they just said it all. I think this is the only time this year that all 32 teams are going to play in one night. That's dumb. I thought they did it twice last year. I think they did, but I in one night that's dumb i thought they did twice last year i think they did but i think this year it's a one-off i believe this is the only time they're going to do it and it is dumb and i don't understand why i mean i get that you want to keep the kind of novelty of things but the key is to at least get a couple opportunities for people

to be turned on by it but whatever the nhl NHL is stupid. And again, I'm not going to sweat over it. I don't think it's going to bring tons of new people to the product, but at least make it wacky and unique. And this is wacky and unique. But apparently the NHL doesn't see it that way, and they're stupid. Like I see Gary Bettman's on TV right now. What I'd be asking is, hey, Gare Bear, why don't you do this more often? It is interesting. It is fun. It's like the first day of the NCAA tournament, the first two days

when there's eight games or however many games, 16 games or whatever it is over the course of those days when it's nonstop. And it's staggered, which makes it cool too, because it's not, I mean, all these games are kind of going at the same time, but they all start 20 minutes, 30 minutes apart. It's a really cool freaking idea. And these leagues that need attention that they're not going to get, like the NFL, this would be cool. But they're dumb, and they're not going to do it more often, and I don't get it. So enjoy nobody giving a shit about you, NHL, because nobody does. Maybe in a town like Columbus, Ohio, that doesn't have other professional sports,

I'm sure you're a big talking point in Columbus, Ohio. You're a talking point in St. Louis. You know where they don't give a shit about you? LA, New York, Boston, they do. Philly, I'm not saying they talk about them every day, and they don't talk about them every day in Philly. I'd get in trouble if I talked about the fucking Flyers in Philadelphia. So hockey, you do dumb shit.

Congratulations. You can't get out of your own damn way. You're dumb. Now, also tonight is the opening night of the NBA, and there was a big over already. The first game had like 1,000 points, so the over hit in that one. I didn't play it, but it hit.

The second game's not looking like it's going to have an over. But the story of the game tonight is that it's the first time in NBA history that a father and son have shared the court together. Now, Ken Griffey and Ken Griffey Sr they were a junior and senior they were there for this staged moment where they're you know fathers and sons playing like I don't really give two shits about LeBron one way or the other I mean I think that he played the race card far too much in the last couple of years and and like fuck him for the most part like I just think you're a flake of a human and I have no interest in you. But this right here, like I hate when people take things and kind of create history

inorganically and authentically. This is like a made for television, appease LeBron, draft his kids. So LeBron can say, hey, I did something that no one else did. I heard Kenny Smith trying to jerk LeBron off, talking about how his kid was a McDonald's All-American and blah, and he deserved. I don't give a shit. This is made for television. Computer-generated garbage is essentially all this is. It's inauthentic, it's fake, and it's being done so LeBron can say he did something that Jordan didn't do. And he's

obviously doing something that no other human in the history of sport is, or at least in the NBA is going to do. You're not going to see this because most guys are not going to play 24 years like LeBron play long enough to play with his kids so whatever it is what it is I just I'm not even annoyed by it and the whole time during this I wasn't sitting there saying to myself like like I care or like I'm mad about it but then I saw the reaction to it and Twitter is all like boy boy, we're just witnessing history. People are far too consumed with creating history so they can all say they saw history. And that's annoying to me. It's like when Adam Wainwright was trying to win 200 games last year and that was the

only story in town as he was trying to win 200 games. That's the only reason he kept playing was to win 200 games. How many other people have won 200 games? A lot. Yes. At least with lebron he is the first you know father son duo yes but it's fake like it was done solely so he can say did that it didn't happen organically it wasn't a situation where you'd go hey you know it just so happened that his kid was really good at fucking basketball and it just worked out that

they played together they orchestrated it that's to me. Like I hate when people give way too much credit to something that is clearly disingenuous and fraudulent and phony. And this is disingenuous and fraudulent and phony. That's my biggest issue with this. And I will, that is a hill I will gladly die on. I will die on the LeBron phony bullshit hill in this one. So people can talk about it and I'm sure it's going to be all over sports talk radio shit. And tomorrow morning, Stephen A will tell you how amazing the fucking moment was. I just don't give a shit when moments like this are made for television fake historic moments and we're seeing more of that that goes back to what we were talking about the other day with everybody

storming the field whenever your team beats anybody you storm the damn field people are so consumed with making things a moment real history happens organically it's not created in a lab it's not fake it's not made for television shit happens organically that's's not created in a lab. It's not fake. It's not made for television. Shit happens organically. That's the fun kind of stuff. When you go in and you say, watch this, we're going to deliberately make history. It's lame as shit. And I think this is lame as shit. Nothing against this kid. I don't know if this fucking kid's good at basketball or not. Maybe he's great. Maybe he sucks. I have no clue. I don't follow what Bronny James did when he was in high school or not. Maybe he's great. Maybe he sucks. I have no clue. I don't follow what Bronny James did when he was in high school or whatever. All I know is that LeBron did have a tendency to go out and put

on dunk contests at halftime of his kids' games so he could still make it about himself. That's one thing I do know. Other than that, I don't really care about LeBron's kid. I don't care about LeBron. I don't care about the Lakers. I just saw a Nike commercial with LeBron's kid I don't care about LeBron I don't care about the Lakers like I just saw a commercial with a Nike commercial with LeBron and it was talking about you know you know I'm glad I still have expectations because you know that means it still matters or whatever like bro nobody has any expectations for you your team stinks you're the Lakers you're not going to do anything like you're just hanging on. You get to play with your fucking kid now.

And some would say you've earned that right because you're the king and whatever. Ultimately, the dudes essentially held the damn Lakers hostage, and they're afraid to run him off. Because they know once he goes, they're going to stink, too. So they might as well have LeBron around so people will buy tickets to go see LeBron until he's done playing. So whatever. But other stuff. Did we ever find out? around so people will buy tickets to go see lebron until he's done playing so whatever but um other stuff did we ever find out i guess flacco isn't playing against the texans right i don't know i haven't really looked at it i don't think he would be but yeah and i think that benefits the texans greatly there i'm i'm i am a fan of that i think they have a better chance

of beating anthony richardson than they do of uh beating flacco because flacco is the shit i think you'll like to go off on i don't know if the people will care well i'm excited i'd like to go off foreigner has extended their farewell tour again okay so foreigner actually there's press releases indicating it's going to be extended into 2026 let me tell you about Foreigner has been on a farewell tour for about five fucking years. And these are the kind of things that annoy me, especially when I was doing rock radio, right? Foreigner was on a farewell tour

and two different times they came to St. Louis while we've lived here. And I was on the radio for 15 months and Foreigner came here twice. Once was on a farewell tour. They were promoting it as the last time you're ever going to see foreigner play in st louis until 10 minutes later when they joined a tour with somebody else who was it they toured with sticks then they toured with sticks and

they're like well we didn't lie but we were just added to the sticks tour so really we're not lying to you at this point it really it was a farewell tour and then they just keep adding dates also you're not real foreigner it's a fake lead singer no he's gonna be on some of the dates i guess wait they're gonna bring back homeboy lou graham so now lou graham i guess they played together at the uh at the uh i guess the rock and roll hall of fame i would assume or at least they hooked up in some way because they got inducted so now foreigner and again you might be listening to the saying who the fuck cares these are the things that irrationally annoy me i get irrationally enraged when these old ass fucking bands that have like one original member just go out there and exploit these dipshit old people that listen to classic rock radio and and go on 10 different farewell tours. They also have their Vegas residency starting this weekend,

which will feature classic members Rick Wills and Al Greenwood for the entire residency. Oh, well, see, I wasn't going to go see Foreigner until I heard that Rick Greenwood, whoever the fuck that is. Al Greenwood. Al Greenwood is going to be back on the tour. Now that I've heard that Al Greenwood. Al Greenwood is going to be back on the tour. Now that I've heard that Al Greenwood is back, I think I might take out a loan so we can catch a flight to Vegas

to go see 900-year-old foreigner. Yes. So Graham, Wills, and Greenwood were all on hand in Cleveland to accept the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction, and now the two guys will be on the Vegas residency, and then as these tour dates continue, certain original members will play certain dates. God. And it's going to be extended into 2026, which would be the 50th anniversary of Foreigner.

Oh, boy. I can't wait for the 50th. I love when these bands have a 50th anniversary, and none of them have had hits since 1984. So what have you done for the last 30 years of your existence you know like it's one thing like a lot of these bands are like that like they they for 10 years pumped out tons of hits and then they've just lived off the fact that they pumped out hits for 10 years for the last 25 years as people have died and new members have come in some bands don't even have the original lead singer some Some do. It's just dumb.

And this is something that I've grown more annoyed by working in the classic rock field. And look, if somebody offered me a classic rock job, I'd do the job because ultimately a lot of the music I like. The part that I hated about classic rock is that there was nothing you could do that was current because all these bastards are old as fuck and most of them are dead. Now, there'd be occasional things that were really cool like, oh, the Rolling Stones are touring and Mick is still Mick and Keith is still Keith. And you get kind of the, like you at least get most of what made the Rolling Stones the Rolling Stones. Some of these bands are literally none of the original members, yet they tour as the band. Like Firehouse, the lead singer just died a couple months ago. We saw them.

To me, as long as the lead singer's there, you're still kind of the band. I would rather go see a band that's got the original lead singer and all new guitar player, bass player, drummer, than go see a band that's got the bass player and the drummer and the guitar player, and then some like 30-year-old dude singing. Now, there's another way to look at that. And the other way to look at that is to say, well, what if the new lead singer that didn't sing any of the original hits sounds exponentially better than the original lead singer? Like if you brought in somebody else to sing for Motley Crue, it would sound a thousand times better than Vince Neil singing for Motley Crue. However,

part of the appeal of seeing Motley Crue is hearing how terrible Vince sounds and seeing if his fat ass will fall off stage. So that's kind of the fun part. But this is where I'd get myself in trouble with these classic rock listeners is look, I'm an honest person. Like I'm not on the radio to suck off the members of Dirt Dockin like I don't care to do that like I get why you have to do that if you're you know a top 40 DJ and like Sabrina Carpenter's the biggest thing in the world so you say great things about Sabrina Carpenter or Taylor Swift or whoever like I get it because they need you you need them they'll scratch your back'll scratch their back. That's how that music works. Like you're going to get access to Taylor Swift tickets and you're going to give those away because Taylor Swift needs you to play her fucking music.

Sabrina Carpenter needs you to play her fucking music. Luke Bryan on the countryside needs you to play his music. Literally these artists on classic rock radio, none of them need you. Why don't they need you? Because they're not putting out new music. And if they do, none of them need you. Why don't they need you? Because they're not putting out new music. And if they do, we make fun of it. And then we just don't play it. So I would love to talk to Mick Jagger. And I'm sure many times in the 80s when the Stones were still putting out new music that had to be played on the radio, I'm sure they'd come to town on a radio station,

could still talk to Mick Jagger, and could still talk to, you know, insert big name guy, Sammy Hagar, Eddie Van Halen, because they still needed you. These classic rock artists are 75 years old. Most of them can't sing a fucking lick anymore. And like, you'd love, like, if you told me, Josh, you could talk to, you know, you could talk to Mick Jagger. I'd love to. Who wouldn't?

Mick Jagger doesn't need me or any fucking radio station. He's Mick Jagger. They fill up football stadiums. Axl Rose doesn't need to talk to Josh Ennis on the classic rock station. Why? Because Axl Rose ain't trying to sell new music and he can put in 50,000 people in a football stadium. So that was the biggest issue I had or the hardest part I had doing classic rock is that feeling of like nothing we're doing is actually relevant. It's all rooted in like a thousand years ago. And that's where I really struggled doing it. Now I did very well with it in Nashville because I think we had a good program director there when we were there, Jonathan, who's great. And he's a younger dude and he does top 40 shit. So we did as much current shit as we could. And Nashville was a more current town than other places. So it worked. And look, I, and I like doing the morning shows on those

things. Like I didn't hate it, but big picture, my biggest issue I dealt with is I'd be 36, 37 years old, and I'd be like, I'm talking about songs that are 15 years, 20 years older than I am with artists who don't give two fucks that we exist. They don't need us anymore. I just felt obsolete in a way. I mean, the bass player from Tesla just did a radio interview. Oh, well, that's big shit then there. Well, that's good news. Bass player from Tesla.

Hey, at least Tesla made music in the 90s. Who looks like this? Oh, Christ. Ugh. Yikes. And a lot of these, my favorite thing about these 80s hair metal dudes is that most of them aged terribly because that was the

greatest era of partying excess doing drugs fucking chicks like that was living and they all sang with like a very hot they all sang like very high notes so their throats are all fucking destroyed so they sound terrible now they they are the true definition of haggard and like road hard and put up wet like that is the definition when you think about these dudes of that era rode hard put up wet most of them they look like shit they sound like shit and when they're interviewed they still wear leather and you're like why are you still wearing fucking leather nobody wears leather anymore but these guys are still wearing like leather vests as they're being interviewed by Ricky Rackman.

And you're like, what the fuck are we doing here, Doc? And a lot of them are fat. Like, dude, hey, big ups to Mike Reno from Loverboy who got us great seats for the Loverboy show. The Loverboy Sammy Hagar show, like huge ups to Mike Reno. Mike Reno's a fucking house. That man, like you'd go back and look at 1982 Mike Reno. Mike Reno's a fucking house. That man, like you'd go back and look at 1982 Mike Reno. They're wearing like red leather pants and he's got the bandana

on. It's hot girls and love and shit. That man is large. He sounded good though. Oh no, he still sounds good. That is a large fucking man. Like I'm watching him. I'm like, it's hot out here tonight, Mike. I don't need you dying on me now because then we don't get to see Sammy if you die.

But at least he still sounds good. A lot of these dudes sound like shit and they look like old lesbians. Like there is a, a point in time where these guys, these classic rock icons, they go from being like cool to looking like your fucking lesbian grandma like Napoleon Dynamite's grandma and it happens like like you'll look at a lot of these guys like Kevin Cronin of REO Speedwagon looks like Rachel Maddow who happens to be a lesbian that's what he looks like uh dude Bon Jovi I mean he looks hardcore lesbian like there are whole things dedicated to this and that's where I would get myself in trouble is I felt no need to get on the radio and blow these

guys I'm like what the fuck do I care so then I would make fun of them and then all like these 80 year old octogenarian people that listen to classic rock get all worked up and they're like how dare you say that the guys from enough's enough look like lesbians and i'm like well they do look like fucking lesbians deal with it they get all mad like you don't have any respect for this i do i just don't care i don't feel like i'm hired to sit here and stroke off a bunch of dudes who are going to be dead in a couple of years anyway then what do we do like we're already on these classic rock stations giving away a thousand fucking tickets to see cover bands all the time because all the acts that we got are dead except for the stones they'll never die thank the fuck christ for the stones at least they're you know 80 and still kicking that's what's even more

fascinating like you look at guys like mick jagger mick jagger's 80 ish i think he might be exactly 80 81 something like that mick jagger gets around so much better than these dudes. When did the Stones break? Mid-60s, right? So they've been doing this for like 60-something years. There are dudes who are rockers in the 80s, like the dudes from YNT. They don't look nearly as healthy as Mick Jagger. The dudes from Dokken don't look as good as mick jagger like they don't look as good

as sammy some of these guys just really took care of themselves have done a hell of a job some of them have not some of them just look like shit but then we would do stuff like this on the air like if you were to read that story to me on the air and i start making fun of these guys most of these old heads that listen to the radio would just bitch like why are you talking shit about this like one day i did a whole bit breaking down the writer for the Bruce Springsteen tour. And they're like, how dare you make fun of Bruce Springsteen? I'm like, well, he seems like a cock bag if we're being fair.

So I'll continue to make fun of him because he's a real unlikable doofus. And I think most of his music kind of sucks. I just, I'm not a fan of it. And they get all worked up. Like, how dare you say he's overrated. I'm like, well, I can say whatever the fuck I want because I believe it. And they'll be like, wait a minute, you'd rather go see Night Ranger than go see Bruce Springsteen? I'm like, honest to God, I would.

I don't need to see some old-ass man in tight pants grunting for four and a half goddamn hours at a price of $10,000 a ticket when I can go to your local casino and jam out for an hour and a half with hours at a price of 10 grand a ticket when I can go to your local casino and jam out for an hour and a half with the boys from Night Ranger and I'll get the damn Yankees hits too oh but people hated that when I'd be like I love hair metal and they'd be like well what would you prefer hair metal or like the Beatles I'd be like honest to god fucking hair metal you could tell me I could listen to Motley Crue or the Beatles I'd listen to the fucking Motley Crue it's just it's a preference thing. How dare you? Like that time

in Philadelphia when I did a bit on WIP where I said that the Beatles were a boy band, which they were by definition. They were young dudes in a fucking band and they were a boy band and they sing little bubblegum pop shit. And McDougal lost his fucking

mind. You think the phones blow up talking about the cowboys say the beatles are a boy band and watch these dipshits go nuts and they did they did go nuts i know that i've gone uh just on a spiral here just going off on random shit but uh but it's true like it's it's very true christ i need to get back into the sports radio realm soon so i can stop venting about uh you know having to deal with octogenarians like it'd be funny because like i would think i'd get interviews with some of these people and then you realize that like the dudes and sticks don't need you you're like hey can i get tommy shaw on the show they're like tommy shaw doesn't fucking need you like the only reason people do interviews is because they need you for something Tommy Dennis DeYoung doesn't need

Josh Ennis to help him sell tickets like the old people that are gonna go see sticks are gonna go see sticks like there's not one young dude who's listening like you know I wasn't gonna go see sticks but now that you've really opened my eyes to sticks I think I I'm going to do it. I've got 88 goals so far in the frozen frenzy. I need 12 more. Odds are it's not going to hit, which is what it is, which is unfortunate. There were too many low-scoring affairs

in the back half. Dude, the first six or seven games averaged damn near eight goals. Unfortunately, it's not looking good unless this game could somehow get to three to three. Get a goal in there.

Come on, Pittsburgh or Calgary. Anyway, if you guys didn't watch the Frozen Frenzy, you really missed out on it. It was a good time. All right. So I'll get you some more stuff tomorrow because I love you and I care about you. So I'll drop another pod on Wednesday day. And there you go. All right.

I'll see you later.