The Josh Innes Show - Jason Kelce Show Bombs

Episode Date: January 8, 2025

Apparently Jason Kelce's late night tv show was a dud. SHOCKER!! We've discussed this many times. Jason Kelce is overexposed and people are getting sick of him. Ya know, it wouldn't hurt to turn down a few gigs. You don't have to do every commercial. Who can we compare Kelce to in terms of being overexposed? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The following was recorded from inside an ice plunge. Ah! Woo! Okay. All right. When a Coors Light is cold enough, the mountains on the can turn blue. So the next time you want a cold lager, cold filter, cold package Coors Light, just wait until those glorious mountains on the can turn blue.

It's easy to say that fast when you're freezing gold. Spring is here, and you can now get almost anything you need delivered with Uber Eats. What do we mean by almost? You can't get a well-groomed lawn delivered, but you can get chicken parmesan delivered. Sunshine? No. Some wine? Yes.

Get almost, almost anything delivered with Uber Eats. Order now. Alcohol and select markets. See app for details. All right, friends. So one of our buddies on Instagram that messages a lot, a friend of the pod and other things, nice fella, sent me a story that I find interesting. That's our friend Matt, by the way. He's a McDougal, sort of.

I mean, he's got McDougal. He's like from the McDougal area, but I wouldn't classify him as a McDougal. But I guess if you're from McDougal area, you're an honorary McDougal, whether you like it or not. But he sends me this story from MSN, and it's about the Jason Kelsey late night TV show and its debut that didn't go so well. And I didn't't watch I watched maybe 40 seconds of it I saw the intro a little bit and I saw him driving around in the football helmet up to the stadium and then he knocks on the stadium in his mummer's outfit like I think part of my problem with everything that he does especially with this is everything is so philly centric that the rest of the world doesn't give a fuck.

Like, who in, like, Denver is like, wow, look at that Mummers outfit. No, you look like a fucking whacked-out genie. You look like Sinbad in that genie movie that doesn't actually exist. You look like Shazam. Like, nobody gives a shit about Mummers and wearing your Mummers outfit outside of Philadelphia. But I'm watching this, and he pulls up to the stadium and he knocks on the fucking wall of the stadium and starts talking to the stadium. And then the stadium started talking back and I was like, yeah, I think I'm going to check out of this. And I did. I watched about 40 seconds of the Jason

Kelsey late night show. So I cannot tell you that it was good or bad because I'm not going to watch it. I have no interest in watching it. I'm not a critic, so I don't have to watch it and give you a review of it. I'm not interested in what the Kelseys do. They don't intrigue me. I'm not fascinated by them. They're simple dudes who've latched on to Taylor Swift, and now they're super popular. It's interesting because it's not like Jason Kelsey is some huge megastar player

that was a quarterback that won eight Super Bowls. He's not Tom Brady, right? Yet he gets the treatment as if he's Tom Brady, you know, like he's an offensive lineman. He's a center in Philadelphia. You know, who cares about centers from Philadelphia Eagles fans that's who give a shit about centers from Philadelphia some dude who roots for the Jacksonville Jaguars doesn't give two shits about what happens with the center from the Philadelphia Eagles yet somehow and it's not somehow we know how happened. Jason Kelsey brings a lot of attention onto himself and acts like, oh boy, why did I get all this attention? His brother's fucking Taylor Swift. They have a podcast. His podcast is huge now because his brother's fucking Taylor Swift

and the parasites in the Kelsey family have all glommed onto Taylor Swift and they are using her. I don't even know that Travis is. I actually think Travis might just be legit. Travis might actually be just a good old boy. Like he just might be a good dude. He might just be kind of like, whatever. I'm kind of like Gronk light, kind of like a doofus, but not like a super doofus, like Gronk, but like, like a, like a, like a, I don't know, a, a Sam's choice Gronk, kind of a doofus, kind of a wild tight end, do occasional doofus things, but like at the end of the day, not a total fucking dope, right? And I think maybe he loves Taylor Swift. Maybe they are truly in love. Maybe he comes from a place of sincerity. Like I'm starting to kind of lean in that direction. Maybe I'm just a sucker for love, but it is possible that maybe he just loves Taylor

Swift and they are in love and they're going to get married and have lots and lots of babies. Maybe that's going to happen, right? Maybe it's because I watched Love Actually over the Christmas holiday and now I'm all a sucker for love and I watched all those Lifetime and Hallmark movies. So now maybe I feel like there's love that could happen. You know, I believe in love. Fine. Let's operate under that premise that he truly does love her. Why not? What's happened here is, as we've discussed, the Kelsey family is filled with people who suckle off of the Taylor Swift teat. And they have gained popularity because of the suckling off the Taylor Swift teat. We know this. That's why Kelsey's wife, who is seemingly void of any sort of ability, his wife now has a successful podcast. Why? Because the people listening to it are the people

who know her from being Jason Kelsey's wife. Why do they know her for being Jason Kelsey's wife? Because Jason Kelsey is the brother of the dude that's fucking Taylor Swift. This is simple. Like I'm not even going to get worked up over it. This just is what it is. But what's happened here is sometimes you get these executives. Actually, let me start here. Like there is a story about this and the headline reads sick of both Kelsey's disaster for ESPN as calls mount against Jason Kelsey after show tanked on debut. Let's read some of this. Who knew Philly grit wouldn't translate to late night TV? Jason Kelsey's new show, they call it Late Night with Jason Kelsey,

premiered on January 4th, 2025. With big Philly vibes and even bigger expectations, filmed at Union Transfer in Philadelphia, the show brought in Snack Time as the house band and leaned heavily into Kelsey's charm, which, by the way, I don't think Kelsey is charming. What is charming? Like, his brother is far more charming.

That's why his brother is fucking Taylor Swift. He's far more charming. There's nothing like, like, there's nothing about Jason Kelsey that you look at and go, that guy's charming. Like, there's two ways of being charming. There's nothing like, like there's nothing about Jason Kelsey that you look at and go, that guy's charming. Like there's two ways of being charming. You got to be like really kind of handsome, charming, like, like, you know, like McDreamy charming or like Matthew McConaughey, handsome, charming, or you've got to be like fat. There's no way he can never get the girl kind of charming, like a John, uh, John Candy type charming, right? Like John Candy had the type of charming where you know he's never actually going to get the girl or anything like that,

but he's so charming and lovable that you like him. And then there's like Matthew McConaughey, who's just kind of Southern charming, and he speaks in all these kind of crazy anecdotes, and that commercial he's in where he explains how like football just exists to make you hungry and he's like what about turnovers pancake blocks man jerry what are you eating man rice oh he's eating rice like that kind of charming right and he's handsome so it works right so you've got handsome charming and you've got like fat you know non-threatening charming jason kelsey is somewhere in the middle of like a guy who like, isn't really charming. And like part of being charming is not trying too hard. You cannot be a try. That's why I'm not charming because I come off as a try hard. A lot of the

time you cannot be the charming guy. If you're the guy that's like fighting people at radio row or talking shit, and I'm not handsome enough to be charming. So I'm just not a charming person. I am what I am. Popeye style, baby. That's what it is. But like Jason Kelsey, like Jason Kelsey is not charming. He seems inauthentic. He seems to never find a camera that he doesn't love.

He feels like an act, right? As we've talked about before, he's the guy who's a one-trick pony. He's farting class guy. He's pull-my-finger guy. He's like, hey, Steve, pull my finger. And he farts in class and everybody laughs the first time. And then like the 10th time he does pull my finger, you're like, eh, kind of over it, Chief. Not into it, right?

That's Jason Kelsey. So when people say we rely on Jason Kelsey's charm, I don't see the charm. Like I'm trying to think of sports media people that are charming, right? Like I think Mina Kimes is like lady charming, like until like she starts trying too hard and like wants to fight with people and like kind of fall back into that. Like how could you, I'm a woman vibe that you get from a lot of media women people. But like when she's just being kind of funny and lovable and she's sitting there with her dog and she would be on like those panel shows and she was kind of funny and cute and charming.

Like I thought she was charming. But then there are some people that are just not charming. Like Joy Taylor is not charming. I guess unless you're that weird looking Jay Leno meth head looking guy that was tongue punching her fart box. He probably thought she was quite charming but she's not a very charming person you know neither is uh who's that one gal that

oh who is that gal that um the Chicago Bears fan girl that like got famous for like flopping her tits around everywhere but now she takes herself really serious Sarah Spain like you're not charming like something like Mina Kimes like I see people fighting with Mina Kimes all the time. Cause there's this kind of vibe, like she's a woman and she doesn't know sports. Tell me about the cover two defense. Like, bitch, I couldn't do that. There's a lot of men that couldn't break down football for you, but they're not nearly as charming and adorable as she is. She is adorable. And I like her until she falls into these things. Like a lot of people fall into where it's kind of like, oh boy, how could you? I'm a woman, you know, Batman Returns style, you know, Michelle Pfeiffer, Catwoman. How could you?

I'm a woman type shit. Like that's where you start to get annoyed with people like that. But she is a charming person. There are people that are just naturally charming people and you go, I like them. Like I, I, like I, I find myself myself gravitating. The Emmanuel Lachos of the world are not remotely charming. The Jason Kelseys of the world are not charming. The Ryan Clarks who are insufferable are not charming. These people are not, I am not charming. I am not a charming person. I will never be a charming person. Nobody views me as that and that's totally fine. That is not my lot in life. Try to think of other people. If you want to message me some other people that are just charming, sports media or otherwise, some people just have a natural charm about them. I go back to McConaughey. McConaughey is such a

charming person because it seems like he's not trying. He's just kind of being himself. Now, you can argue that it's an act. I don't buy that. I think he's just a charming Texas dude that's handsome, knows he's handsome, just a slick dude, but not slick in the way that it's overproduced. He's just himself. I guess maybe I listened to so many interviews over Christmas with Matthew McConaughey that now I'm just in love with him. But that's kind of, or McDreamy, you know, like guys that you just, like you find charming, that you're just like, I can't get

enough of this guy. He is charming. I used to think Taylor Swift was fucking charming as all hell. Like, you know, 20 something year old bubbly Taylor Swift. Like she was charming. Like there are charming people. And then there are people who just aren't. So the idea that it's like, Hey, we're going to rely on Jason Kelsey's charm. There's nothing charming about the guy who takes his shirt off at the football game in the snow and then chugs a beer and then wants to know why he gets all this attention. And then all the stories were, well, you know, Jason Kelsey just decides to have a beer with the fans. No, Jason Kelsey wanted fucking attention. You cannot be charming if you're an attention whore. Attention whores are not charming. What makes you charming is that you

almost withdraw from attention and it truly just finds you. Kind of like what people think Bill Murray is. And I'm kind of an anti-Bill Murray guy because I think he's kind of purposely weird. But it's sort of like that. Like Bill Murray just like, oh, I'm Bill Murray and I just showed up at some random person's wedding. Like Bill Murray at least isn't out there taking a shirt off, chugging beers, looking

for attention. He does kind of quirky shit and people find him for that or um who else was there was someone else who's a pretty big star that would do kind of random quirky things like show up at people's wedding or like that like tom hanks tom hanks is such a charming guy i don't give a shit about his covid politics i don't care about any of that shit he is just a fucking charming man. And there's that picture that's the picture of the guy who's passed out. And then there's Tom Hanks just sitting there with his thumbs up next to him. Like Tom Hanks is the most likable human on the planet. He's just charming and doesn't have to try to be charming. He's just likable. So when I hear

the word charm and I hear people include Jason Kelsey in, in charm in the same fucking sentence, there is nothing charming about him. He's as charming as, as, as buzz from home alone. Like there's nothing charming about him. Like Jason Kelsey is like, Hey, someone's going to have to barf it all up. Cause it's gone. Like there's nothing charming about this man. He's not fat enough to be a lovable kind of man. He's not fat enough to be a lovable kind of oaf. He's not handsome enough to be kind of a laid back, like, cool, charming. He's just a dude. But anyway, let me play some commercials and we'll continue reading this story that's a

breakdown of this Jason Kelsey show. All right, if you're ready to win some real cash during the basketball playoffs, you got to check out Pick 6 from DraftKings. When it comes to basketball payouts, DraftKings Pick 6 posterizes the competition, including prize picks. It's a very simple concept. Hit all your picks and score higher minimum payouts on Pick 6, plus even more cash if you outscore the competition.

Pick 6 is available in most states including Missouri California Texas Georgia and more and I absolutely love it look every night we're going to be having playoff basketball every night so when you're sitting around and you might not have interest in a particular game let's say you're a fan of a particular team they're not playing that night here's how you make it a little bit more fun for the other games. Build a little lineup there with Pick 6. It's really great. Me and my wife do it all the time, so make sure you do it. And new players get 50 in Pick 6 credits instantly on just a $5 entry. Download the DraftKings Pick 6 app now and use code INNES, that's my name, I-N-N-E-S, for new customers to play. $5, get 50 in Pick 6 credits.

Better payouts, bigger wins, only with Pick 6 from DraftKings. The crown is yours. Gambling problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER. Help is available for problem gambling. Call 888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org in Connecticut. Must be 18 plus. Age and eligibility restrictions vary by jurisdiction. Pick 6 not available everywhere, including New York and Ontario.

Voidware prohibited. One per new customer. Bonus award. It is non-withdrawable Pick 6 credits that expire in 14 days. Limited time offer. See terms at pick six dot draft kings dot com slash promos. When planning for life's most important moments, sometimes the hardest part is simply knowing where to start.

That's why we're here to help. When you pre-plan and pre-pay a celebration of life with us, every detail will be handled with simplicity and professionalism, giving you the peace of mind that you've done all you can today to remove any burden from your loved ones tomorrow. We are your local Dignity Memorial provider. Find us at DignityMemorial.ca. The Dignity Memorial brand name is used to identify a network of licensed funeral cremation and cemetery providers owned and operated by affiliates of Service Corporation International. All right, let's see. The first

episode had a packed lineup with NBA legend Charles Barkley of course it did because if you're desperate to pop a rating early on you just go find Charles Barkley and hope he says something wacky that gets you attention that's a Philly dude Lil Dicky a Philly dude uh by the way Lil Dicky's show like the first season it was on um was a really Dave I think it was the name of the show uh it was good uh then it got kind of weird like all those shows that we talked about earlier in the week with shows that just get too weird and you're like all right time to stop little dicky was kind of like that early on it was a very charming show and then brian baldinger again a guy who's most notable for

philadelphia kelsey's wife kylie even made an appearance as if like that was some sort of special guest. Like she even, she took time out of her busy suckling off the Taylor Swift teat to show up on this show. Between the interviews and NFL playoff discussion and a skit with Jimmy Kimmel, the show tried to balance sports talk with humor. Of course, Kelsey being Kelsey, he ended the night by chugging an entire beer. He chugged an entire beer? What? No way. No way. You mean to tell me a 300-pound offensive lineman chugged an entire 12-ounce beer? Whoa.

That is some sorcery right there, my friend. What are you going to tell me next? Wow. Wow. That's all I got to say is wow to that. Even with the fun moments, the episode struggled to find its rhythm. The pacing felt off and some of the segments didn't quite land with the audience. While the concept had potential, it didn't translate as smoothly as Jason Kelsey's podcast. For now, ESPN and Kelsey have some work to do to make the show click with more episodes

on the way they will need to figure out how to fine-tune the mix of sports comedy and the philly flavor to keep that's the thing stop adding fucking philly flavor like that's the problem you're taking a niche person that really no one outside of philadelphia gives a shit about and trying to make an entire national broadcast about a niche like Philadelphia sports. Like, stop, it doesn't work. Like, yes, I know that nationally people know him and it's because his brother's really good at football and his, his future sister-in-law's Taylor Swift. And they have a successful podcast because of that. And his brother goes out and wins a bunch of super bowls and shit. I get all that, but spare me the idea that like you need to be like, like

there was no need to wear the fucking mummers suit on there because no one outside of Philadelphia knows about the weird travesty that is the fucking mummers parade. No one cares. That's your own little thing. It worked in Philly. You won the Superbowl. It was charming that day. It felt authentic doing it again and shit for TV. isn't charming. No one gets it. And why don't these executives know that? Like these people make millions of dollars a year to run these networks and they lack any sort of fucking sense. While we wait for that to happen, let's see what fans had to say about this mixed debut.

The first show is certainly going to be pretty Philly, but it will eventually evolve into a show that feels more national. But I always want the Philly roots to be felt and heard. So that was an important thing for us, said Philly, said Jason Kelsey. Like, bro, you don't have to pander to the Philly people anymore. And really, I think they've turned on the dude, too. Like, people are just sick of you. Like what really, what happens to a lot of people is they start out with like having a nice audience. Then they get kind of large and then they get to this point where they don't say no to shit. And that's what

kills them. You've got to know when to say no overexposure, especially in this era where you're super easy to find, overexposure is a real thing. Think about people that have had moments and then just kind of faded, and a lot of it was due to overexposure, like Pauly Shore, right? Pauly Shore had his moment, and then it was everything was Pauly Shore, Pauly Shore, Pauly Shore, Pauly Shore. And then now Pauly Shore is doing a podcast and, you know, doing standup and Watonka, Minnesota, like, like if that's a real place, but that's how that works. Like overexposure is such a thing, man. And you're not a big enough star to be overexposed. Tom Brady is maybe the greatest football player that ever lived. And yes, they're kind of going to the max on the, the, him being the number one analyst on Fox. I even put him in promos, which I think is stupid. No one's watching

a football game because Tom Brady is the analyst. In fact, when you actually watch Tom Brady as an analyst, like I'd argue he's almost a tune out because his accent is fucking terrible. Like, it's amazing that you never really heard Tom Brady talk a lot or didn't really pay attention to it when he was, you know, winning all these super bowls. But then you hear Tom Brady on a lot or didn't really pay attention to it when he was, you know, winning all these Super Bowls. But then you hear Tom Brady on TV and he just like his accent is insufferable. It's awful. But it's just cringy sounding just. But like they run promos and I'll see banner ads on websites that are like the goats calling the game today. I'm like, well, I'm going to watch the game because there's like two afternoon games. He's calling one of them. It's on TV in my town or my team is playing. So, of course, I'm going to watch it. Newsflash. There are no play-by-play

announcers and analysts who bring people to the TV. None of them. Monday Night Football does not have more viewers because Joe Buck and Troy Aikman are calling Monday Night Football. It doesn't matter what dickheads are calling the game. If it's a good game, people are going to watch. Nobody gives a shit who's doing the play-by- play for these games. Nobody. For the most part, they're all pretty benign and sterile announcers anyway. Nobody cares. But the reality as it relates to Kelsey is he's overexposed. Like you got to say no. It's okay to say no at some point. It's like an actor who just doesn't turn down a movie. Like every five minutes, there's a movie with this person in it. And you're like, bro, make the people miss you a little bit. Like, and I know that you're trying to cash in on your moment and this is

your moment. And who knows if that moment's ever going to come back again, but I'm going to guess you're doing pretty well financially. You just signed this a hundred million dollar podcast deal. Thanks to Taylor. You've got millions of dollars, I would imagine, in the bank from playing in the NFL. You do media stuff that makes more sense for you, like these shows like Monday NFL Countdown. You got hits on WIP where you probably make money. So my guess is you're not hurting for money and you're never going to be hurting for money because you don't seem like a moron who blows all of his money, right? So you're probably doing fine. It is okay to say no. It is okay to do the chunky soup commercial, but you don't have to do the phone commercial and then the car commercial and the bed commercial. It's okay. It's okay to say, you know what? I'm going to pick and choose and

be selective with what I do. Now, in reality, Jason Kelsey is not going to be a long-term star. He's not someone that in 20 years, we're going to be like, boy, there's, Jason Kelsey is not going to be a long-term star. He's not someone that in 20 years we're going to be like, boy, there's old Jason Kelsey. We love him. He's on his 20th year on Monday Night Football. He's not that guy. I think that he is riding a moment, and maybe that's the genius of it. You ride the moment until it bucks you. You cash in as much as you can and then see where it goes from there. But I think you can extend the moment by not being everywhere. People get sick of you. They love you and then they see you too much or you get too successful and that's when people turn on you and lose interest in you. That's in any walk of life. People love the singer for the

band. People didn't hate Nickelback until Nickelback was selling 50 million albums and everywhere and all over the radio. People didn't hate Nickelback until, you know, what the hell, All the Right Reasons or whatever the hell the name of the album was that had Photograph and like Photograph was fucking everywhere. People didn't hate Nickelback until then. They didn't hate Creed until like, you know, Creed's putting out with arms wide open and high and you got sick of hearing these songs. That's when people turn on you. It's the overexposure.

Now, you're not going to stop doing it. You got to make money. But like you can be selective. You know, like when someone's like, you know what he's like? Here's the comparison. Here's my comp. The ultimate comp for Jason Kelsey he's basically Larry the cable guy and the Eagles run and the mummers and all that that was his blue collar comedy tour

and like he's got kind of one shtick and it's kind of just affable kind of fat doof and I'm affable and I chug beers and I'm a fun guy. And there was a stretch in the mid-2000s where Larry the Cable Guy was everywhere. You'd see him in a Prilosec. This is Larry the Cable Guy with Prilosec OTC. And you'd see, why is Larry the Cable Guy pimping Prilosec? Cool. And then there's Larry the Cable Guy showing up at roasts. And Larry the Cable Guy at award shows. And Larry the Cable Guy in a string of mainstream movies that no one saw, other than Cars. He did a voice in Cars.

But like, that's fine because no one sees Larry the Cable Guy. So they're like, okay, fine, it's Larry the Cable Guy, but whatever. But then he started making movies and they kept, actually, there might be a better comparison, but I'm going to finish out the comparison for the Larry the Cable Guy comp. But then I think I have one that's similar that might be better. So then what happened is Larry the Cable Guy makes a string of movies that were all terrible. There was Larry the Cable Guy Health Inspector. And then was there another one where Larry the Cable Guy was in the army? Kind of like Ernest.

There was just a string of jobs. They basically treated Larry the Cable Guy like he was Ernest. And he had this string of dumb jobs like, oh, there he is. Larry the Cable Guy is a health inspector. Now he's in the army. Oh, what the hell was the name of that Larry the Operation something? I forgot what the hell it was called. But Larry the Cable Guy made a string of shitty movies and then eventually made direct-to-video movies.

And then Larry the Cable Guy was just kind of out of sight, out of mind because there was too much Larry the Cable Guy. It happened with Dane Cook. People didn't hate Dane Cook early on in Dane Cook. Like, Dane Cook was kind of a trendy dude that people would go listen to. And be like, dude, have you heard Dane Cook? And like, no. And then you hear it and you go, holy shit. And then Vicious Circle happened, which I still think is a great stand-up.

I enjoy it thoroughly. And then there was this stretch where dane cook was fucking everywhere and he made like a string of about five or six movies that were all like meh they were okay uh the one where he's with jessica simpson and that's a little cute romantic comedy where he's in like he uh they work at the fucking grocery store or whatever together like the walmart together uh there was that one there was the one where the good together. There was that one. There was the one where the good luck Chuck, there was the one, my best friend's girl with the dude from American pie and Goldie Hawn's daughter. Like he just made a stretch about four or five, six movies

and they hammered it out so quickly. And then you got burned out. It happened. It happens with Kevin Hart. Like there was just, Oh, Tiffany Haddish,dish dude he actually the best comp to Jason Kelsey may be Tiffany Haddish like Tiffany Haddish kind of burst on in what was like the black bridesmaids movie they weren't brides it was like black it was black chick version of the hangover whatever the hell the movie was called it was her and Queen Latifah and I think they all went to like New Orleans or whatever's where the movie took place girls trip is what it was called and she uh and like she burst onto the scene everybody's laughing their asses off at Tiffany Haddish haha she's hysterical and she's doing like wacky jokes in the movies and she has the memorable lines and shit and then like she starts making movies that

are worse and worse and worse and for me it kind of culminated in this horrible movie with Kevin Hart called Night School one of the few movies that Jilly and I ever walked out of maybe the only movie we ever walked out of where I was half asleep and then she farted on Kevin Hart and I woke up from my slumber and I said we're getting the fuck out of here this is the worst movie I've ever seen maybe Jason Kelsey is like a Tiffany Haddish like there's just too much, too much. You're overexposing us. You're everywhere. Please leave. And I like, he's not going to be a guy that has longevity as a guy that the world cares about, especially if he, if his brother breaks up with Taylor, if that happens, then it's that's bad news bears for him. Like that you think, you think that like, honest to God,

how many like actual football people do you think are listening to it? Like, you're listening to the Travis Kelsey podcast and are like, I'm listening because I'm a football fan that just likes these bros. It's mostly going to be people who are like little tweens and girlies and sad shut-in women that are listening because they're Swifties. That's the reason they got the deal. And as we said, the Kelsey family, other than Travis, I don't view Travis as a parasite. I think he's in it for the, I think he got into it for the right reason. I think he liked the chick and maybe he does. But, um, but at the end of the day, I think that the rest of the family are 100% parasites.

They are suckling off the teat and they're cashing in. Like to the lowest rung here. We're like, the Kelseys are kind of like the Jacksons. And if Travis is like Michael, as you start trickling down, the more you get to these Kelsey families, the lower down the Jackson family rung you go, the latter, like every rung down.

So if like Travis is like the Michael currently of the group then you've got like I guess that would make Tito in this case Tito would be Jason and then you start getting down like I guess is the mom more popular than the wife so like maybe we go like the third rung on the ladder is like actually you know what I guess technically if we want to count all the Jacksons, I guess that Travis would be Michael and then Janet would be Jason. And then you could go down and be like, oh, there's the mom. She's Tito. And then like the other one is like, guess, like Randy or something. If they were the Jacksons, that would be kind of their ladder.

But anyway, I have talked too much about the insufferable Jason Kelsey stuff, so more to come.